From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Apr 5 17:04:50 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FPw4x-2Wvknw-04-9e8."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 17:04:50 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FPw4x-2Wvknw-04-9e8; Sun, 02 Apr 2006 06:28:51 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FPw4x-2Wvknw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 02 Apr 2006 06:28:51 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FPw4x-0000g7-BY for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 02 Apr 2006 06:28:51 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BF1452C9308; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 01:28:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11907-01; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 01:28:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6C2672C9238; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 01:28:50 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 02 Apr 2006 01:28:06 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C845D2C929D for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 01:28:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11823-04 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 01:28:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mk-ironport-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-ironport-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.23]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7B35A2C91BF for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 01:28:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from 88-105-179-36.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com) ([88.105.179.36]) by mk-ironport-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 02 Apr 2006 07:28:04 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AQAAAGz6LkSIGw Received: from 88-105-179-36.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.105.179.36]:10192 helo=dave.nom) by mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1FPw4C-000BVl-JW for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 02 Apr 2006 06:28:04 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 05:49:36 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro Windows Manual Message-ID: <4e1117bddadfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <5Bjs8EEfhvLEFwkd@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <003401c63b12$66843bb0$14f4e5d4@mypc2> <000a01c6558b$900c5420$90da69d5@xp> <4e10dd401bdfs@ukgateway.net> <3DEPMFBD$sLEFwUQ@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4e10f07d89dfs@ukgateway.net> <5Bjs8EEfhvLEFwkd@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-type: text/plain X-Editor: Zap 1.46 (19 Oct 2004) [TEST], ZapEmail 0.28 (22 May 2004) (32) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 158 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dfs@ukgateway.net Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <5Bjs8EEfhvLEFwkd@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >Just to assuage my confusion... It would help if there weren't =3D20 =3D= A3100 > >etc in the postings. > Yep. I'd hoped that problem was solved - obviously it is not. > >I bought a copy of RO OvPro years ago, last year I also bought a copy = of > >Win OvPro, I have the CD here in the stand beside my desk. > >This was an upgrade? > Yes, that was an upgrade, you paid 60 pounds for it. > i.e. an upgrade from the RISC OS version to the Windows version. Thanks, I understand now, and I've done an order for the PC version manua= l=20 via the website. Cheers Dave S --=20 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Apr 6 14:53:50 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FRUnx-0OMknw-04-FDK."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 14:53:50 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FRUnx-0OMknw-04-FDK; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 13:45:45 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FRUnx-0OMknw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 13:45:45 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FRUnn-00012b-99 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 13:45:45 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 47E542D7589; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 09:45:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21162-04; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 09:45:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E622B2D75C9; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 09:45:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 06 Apr 2006 09:44:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 506162D75C1 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 09:44:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20698-05 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 09:44:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1C4C82D75C0 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 09:44:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1FRUmr-0003y7-1K for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 13:44:37 +0000 Message-ID: <7eIcLmAprRNEFw05@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 14:43:05 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] pdf, ovation, risc oss MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 159 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hello, Now our printcompanies 'demand' more and more pdf-files for their=20 workflows I wonder what is the best way to satisfy their needs. Will Ovation for Risc OS ever be able to place - as Ovation for Windows=20 does- and produce pdf-files which others call 'certified'? The route with 'composite colourposcript > distiller > pdf' has a few=20 disadvantages: no transparacy in coloured bitmaps and all kind of (rgb)=20 colourprofiles which our printcompanies hate. Perhaps somebody has an answer ore is it just a matter of 'leaving the=20 platform'? thanks, greetings Arnold --=20 Arnold Tekst & Uitleg Schaijk Netherlands op www.uitleg.nl Dienblad op www.dienblad.nl / Landerdsite op www.landerd.net Telefoon 0486-463112 / Fax 0486-463537 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Apr 6 22:48:08 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FRcDE-2H9GPo-05-GKZ."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 22:48:08 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FRcDE-2H9GPo-05-GKZ; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 21:40:20 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FRcDE-2H9GPo-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 21:40:20 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FRcDE-0002ty-Ao for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 21:40:20 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BA34A2D7563; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 17:40:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26407-07; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 17:40:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 635D52D708F; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 17:40:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 06 Apr 2006 17:39:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8E21A2D756B for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 17:39:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26302-09 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 17:39:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5C7082D6F46 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 17:39:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1FRcCV-0003v6-8W for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 21:39:35 +0000 Message-ID: <+HdNd$A8oYNEFwFL@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 22:38:04 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: pdf, ovation, risc oss References: <7eIcLmAprRNEFw05@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <7eIcLmAprRNEFw05@pilling.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 160 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Will Ovation for Risc OS ever be able to place - as Ovation for Windows >does- and produce pdf-files which others call 'certified'? > >The route with 'composite colourposcript > distiller > pdf' has a few >disadvantages: no transparacy in coloured bitmaps and all kind of (rgb) >colourprofiles which our printcompanies hate. Earlier this year I came to the conclusion that doing an improved Post=20 Script printer driver for RISC OS would be easy - lets say a "level 3"=20 driver to go with the existing level 1 and 2 drivers. Anyway I put together such a project, however I came to the conclusion=20 that I just can't bear to do any more work on RISC OS. So I pulled out. Perhaps that answers both your questions. Anything (substantial) from me=20 is unlikely. However a big improvement in the PostScript produced by all=20 applications is possible for not much effort. Others were involved maybe you could convince them that there is a=20 demand. --=20 David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR U= K fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Apr 6 22:48:08 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FRcJk-30gVbs-01-GE3."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 22:48:08 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FRcJk-30gVbs-01-GE3; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 21:47:04 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FRcJk-30gVbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 21:47:04 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FRcJk-0007T3-AO for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 21:47:04 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B4CEA2D757F; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 17:47:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27502-04; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 17:47:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6321F2D75CC; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 17:47:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 06 Apr 2006 17:46:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1CFCF2D757F for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 17:46:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27280-07 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 17:46:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E0F7F2D7787 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 17:46:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1FRcJ0-000KiF-Io for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 21:46:19 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 22:45:06 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro Windows 2.90 (29th. March 2006) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 161 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, I've updated the online version of the Ovation Pro Windows CD. http://www.davidpilling.info/cd The changes since the last version follow up discussions here. I've added more tool tips - I think they are a good improvement. To go=20 with them there is an enhanced Edit macro window, and a script function=20 that can define a macro with a tooltip. Incidentally if the macro does not define a tooltip, OP synthesises one=20 from the help text - this works well on the built in macros because they=20 have a consistent format. So you get tooltips without having to scrap=20 your existing macros. I've also uploaded a newer version of the RTF loader. This improves the=20 handling of Unicode and top bit characters. All minor stuff, and no cause to upgrade if you're happy using the=20 current version. --=20 David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR U= K fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Apr 7 13:40:30 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FRknt-35Hknw-06-GGQ."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 13:40:30 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FRknt-35Hknw-06-GGQ; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 06:50:45 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FRknt-35Hknw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 06:50:45 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FRknt-0002ib-6y for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 06:50:45 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 97BEC2DAD4B; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 02:50:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02629-01; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 02:50:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 375152DAA34; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 02:50:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 07 Apr 2006 02:49:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8E15A2DAD4B for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 02:49:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02419-01 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 02:49:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.47]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 115A82DAB58 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 02:49:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060407064954.WQXU29343.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 07:49:54 +0100 Received: from Iyonix.ntlworld.com ([82.1.169.76]) by aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060407064954.FXEU19763.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@Iyonix.ntlworld.com> for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 07:49:54 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: pdf, ovation, risc oss To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Alan Leighton X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.28 Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 07:40:40 +0100 Message-ID: References: <7eIcLmAprRNEFw05@pilling.demon.co.uk> <+HdNd$A8oYNEFwFL@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <+HdNd$A8oYNEFwFL@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.08 (MsgServe/3.23) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 162 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan.leighton2@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <+HdNd$A8oYNEFwFL@pilling.demon.co.uk> David Pilling wrote: >>Will Ovation for Risc OS ever be able to place - as Ovation for Windows >>does- and produce pdf-files which others call 'certified'? >> >>The route with 'composite colourposcript > distiller > pdf' has a few >>disadvantages: no transparacy in coloured bitmaps and all kind of (rgb) >>colourprofiles which our printcompanies hate. >=20 > Earlier this year I came to the conclusion that doing an improved Post > Script printer driver for RISC OS would be easy - lets say a "level 3" > driver to go with the existing level 1 and 2 drivers. >=20 > Anyway I put together such a project, however I came to the conclusion > that I just can't bear to do any more work on RISC OS. So I pulled out. >=20 > Perhaps that answers both your questions. Anything (substantial) from m= e > is unlikely. However a big improvement in the PostScript produced by al= l > applications is possible for not much effort. >=20 > Others were involved maybe you could convince them that there is a > demand. >=20 >=20 >=20 There is a real demand from little old me.;-) Alan --=20 Alan Leighton (Rev Dr) Priory Lodge 86b Church Lane, Eston, TS6 9QR From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Apr 7 13:40:34 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FRoLQ-3g1000-01-Cit."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 13:40:34 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FRoLQ-3g1000-01-Cit; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 10:37:36 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FRoLQ-3g1000-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 10:37:36 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FRoLP-0004Xq-DI for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 10:37:36 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BF91F52801; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 06:37:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03194-04-3; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 06:37:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F1B072DAB90; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 06:37:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 07 Apr 2006 06:36:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 786892DAAFA for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 06:36:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02994-02 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 06:36:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from astro.systems.pipex.net (astro.systems.pipex.net [62.241.163.6]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3FA4E2DAB59 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 06:36:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from riscpc.ausw57.dsl.pipex.com (81-179-120-63.dsl.pipex.com [81.179.120.63]) by astro.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03045E000065 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 11:36:41 +0100 (BST) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: pdf, ovation, risc oss To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: B G Hill X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 10:38:04 GMT Message-ID: References: <7eIcLmAprRNEFw05@pilling.demon.co.uk> <+HdNd$A8oYNEFwFL@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/4.03) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 163 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: berni@zionundy.me.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message Alan Leighton wrote: > In message <+HdNd$A8oYNEFwFL@pilling.demon.co.uk> > David Pilling wrote: >=20 >>>Will Ovation for Risc OS ever be able to place - as Ovation for Window= s >>>does- and produce pdf-files which others call 'certified'? >>> >>>The route with 'composite colourposcript > distiller > pdf' has a few >>>disadvantages: no transparacy in coloured bitmaps and all kind of (rgb= ) >>>colourprofiles which our printcompanies hate. >>=20 >> Earlier this year I came to the conclusion that doing an improved Post >> Script printer driver for RISC OS would be easy - lets say a "level 3" >> driver to go with the existing level 1 and 2 drivers. >>=20 >> Anyway I put together such a project, however I came to the conclusion >> that I just can't bear to do any more work on RISC OS. So I pulled out= . That is a real blow! >>=20 >> Perhaps that answers both your questions. Anything (substantial) from = me >> is unlikely. However a big improvement in the PostScript produced by a= ll >> applications is possible for not much effort. >>=20 >> Others were involved maybe you could convince them that there is a >> demand. >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 > There is a real demand from little old me.;-) >=20 > Alan >=20 My latest printer is a Postscript 3 device, and that seems to be the=20 norm now. We who find RiscOS the platform of choice for ease of use,=20 would have to pay for a driver. I will stick my neck out, but could=20 not afford to commission a driver on my own. Bernard. --=20 Bernard G Hill Tel: 01633 880197 Zion, Church Road, Undy, Caldicot, NP26 3EN From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Apr 7 13:40:34 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FRoNe-3pZ000-08-Cgf."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 13:40:34 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FRoNe-3pZ000-08-Cgf; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 10:39:54 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FRoNe-3pZ000-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 10:39:54 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FRoNd-0002Bo-Ln for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 10:39:54 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 252DA2DA96A; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 06:39:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03681-09; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 06:39:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A72752D7A84; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 06:39:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 07 Apr 2006 06:39:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 06E662DA96A for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 06:39:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03602-02 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 06:39:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.47]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 905592DA91A for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 06:39:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060407103904.GMBU29343.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 11:39:04 +0100 Received: from Iyonix.ntlworld.com ([81.111.143.202]) by aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060407103904.GRNY16286.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@Iyonix.ntlworld.com> for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 11:39:04 +0100 Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 11:37:13 GMT From: To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: pdf, ovation, risc oss Message-ID: <3d3dd0134e.ralph_valmai@ntlworld.com> References: <7eIcLmAprRNEFw05@pilling.demon.co.uk> <+HdNd$A8oYNEFwFL@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <+HdNd$A8oYNEFwFL@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 164 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: ralph_valmai@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <+HdNd$A8oYNEFwFL@pilling.demon.co.uk> David Pilling wrote: > >Will Ovation for Risc OS ever be able to place - as Ovation for Window= s > >does- and produce pdf-files which others call 'certified'? > > > >The route with 'composite colourposcript > distiller > pdf' has a few > >disadvantages: no transparacy in coloured bitmaps and all kind of (rgb= ) > >colourprofiles which our printcompanies hate. >=20 > Earlier this year I came to the conclusion that doing an improved Post=20 > Script printer driver for RISC OS would be easy - lets say a "level 3"=20 > driver to go with the existing level 1 and 2 drivers. >=20 > Anyway I put together such a project, however I came to the conclusion=20 > that I just can't bear to do any more work on RISC OS. So I pulled out. >=20 > Perhaps that answers both your questions. Anything (substantial) from m= e=20 > is unlikely. However a big improvement in the PostScript produced by al= l=20 > applications is possible for not much effort. >=20 > Others were involved maybe you could convince them that there is a=20 > demand. >=20 There is certainly a need and there surely must be a demand. Whether it i= s at a level which makes it viable financially I have no idea. RISC OS Ltd = or Castle ought to do it, but I doubt if it will happen soon; it may not hap= pen at all.=20 I would be prepared to pay a good price. Your software has always been lo= w priced and exceedingly good value for money. I would be prepared to pay m= ore for a level 3 postscript driver than for anything comparable you have produced in the past. Go for it. :-) Ralph =20 --=20 Ralph & Valmai Stevens=20 In leafy Epping From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Apr 7 13:40:35 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FRpOw-3lSknw-08-BfN."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 13:40:35 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FRpOw-3lSknw-08-BfN; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 11:45:18 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FRpOw-3lSknw-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 11:45:18 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FRpOw-0002Ia-BF for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 11:45:18 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BA1022DA95F; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 07:45:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09900-07; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 07:45:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 67E2B2DA9D8; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 07:45:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 07 Apr 2006 07:44:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F3F0A2DA977 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 07:44:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09833-03 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 07:44:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ptb-relay02.plus.net (ptb-relay02.plus.net [212.159.14.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C20B82DA971 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 07:44:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [212.159.46.232] (helo=IYONIX) by ptb-relay02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1FRpOB-0008QJ-PS for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 12:44:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Evan Clark To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 12:43:44 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: pdf, ovation, risc oss Message-ID: <4e13d0d5e0evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <3d3dd0134e.ralph_valmai@ntlworld.com> References: <7eIcLmAprRNEFw05@pilling.demon.co.uk> <+HdNd$A8oYNEFwFL@pilling.demon.co.uk> <3d3dd0134e.ralph_valmai@ntlworld.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 Content-type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 165 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <3d3dd0134e.ralph_valmai@ntlworld.com>, wrote: > There is certainly a need and there surely must be a demand. Whether it > is at a level which makes it viable financially I have no idea. RISC OS > Ltd or Castle ought to do it, but I doubt if it will happen soon; it > may not happen at all.=20 > I would be prepared to pay a good price. Your software has always been > low priced and exceedingly good value for money. I would be prepared to > pay more for a level 3 postscript driver than for anything comparable > you have produced in the past. > Go for it. :-) It seems to me to be a prime candidate for funding in a way similar to Martin Wuerthner's gimp-print project. I would be willing to pledge a similar amount towards such a scheme. Evan. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Apr 7 13:40:35 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FRpdw-03LVbs-01-BQN."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 13:40:35 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FRpdw-03LVbs-01-BQN; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 12:00:48 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.104] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FRpdw-03LVbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 12:00:48 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FRpdw-0004fw-7f for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 12:00:48 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C2D672DAB20; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 08:00:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11157-06; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 08:00:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 40C722DAB5E; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 08:00:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 07 Apr 2006 07:59:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 39D362DAB20 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 07:59:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10943-10 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 07:59:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B7B452DAB1A for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 07:59:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from watsnees.demon.co.uk ([80.177.152.227] helo=panther) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1FRpd7-0009V5-5t for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 11:59:57 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Frank Watkinson To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 12:59:47 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro Windows 2.90 (29th. March 2006) Message-ID: <4e13d24df4frank@aaug.net> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.09) POPstar/2.04-pre2 Content-type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 166 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: frank@aaug.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > I've updated the online version of the Ovation Pro Windows CD. > http://www.davidpilling.info/cd > The changes since the last version follow up discussions here. > I've added more tool tips - I think they are a good improvement. To go=20 > with them there is an enhanced Edit macro window, and a script function= =20 > that can define a macro with a tooltip. > Incidentally if the macro does not define a tooltip, OP synthesises one > from the help text - this works well on the built in macros because > they have a consistent format. So you get tooltips without having to > scrap your existing macros. Great! Just the job for those with short term memory problems. I am sure others will appreciate these extended features. > I've also uploaded a newer version of the RTF loader. This improves the= =20 > handling of Unicode and top bit characters. Not tried that yet, but hopeful. > All minor stuff, and no cause to upgrade if you're happy using the=20 > current version. Many thanks. Frank. --=20 Frank Watkinson. email: Using !Pluto 3.04c on Iyon= ix 5.09. Still RPC-SA (4.39 Adjust) for some things. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Apr 7 13:40:35 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FRpfs-0BEVbs-03-BOR."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 13:40:35 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FRpfs-0BEVbs-03-BOR; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 12:02:48 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FRpfs-0BEVbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 12:02:48 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FRpfs-0005lQ-4w for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 12:02:48 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A58BE2DAB1A; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 08:02:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11398-06; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 08:02:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 572012DAB0F; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 08:02:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 07 Apr 2006 08:02:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BE3D42DAB1A for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 08:02:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11189-08 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 08:02:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from outmail.freedom2surf.net (outmail1.freedom2surf.net [194.106.33.237]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1BC932DAAF1 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 08:02:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from barryix (i-83-67-106-112.freedom2surf.net [83.67.106.112]) by outmail.freedom2surf.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k37C215K028641 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 13:02:02 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Barry E Allen To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 13:02:06 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: pdf, ovation, risc oss Message-ID: <4e13d2845dbarry@e-allen.me.uk> In-Reply-To: <4e13d0d5e0evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> References: <7eIcLmAprRNEFw05@pilling.demon.co.uk> <+HdNd$A8oYNEFwFL@pilling.demon.co.uk> <3d3dd0134e.ralph_valmai@ntlworld.com> <4e13d0d5e0evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 Content-type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 167 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: barry@e-allen.me.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4e13d0d5e0evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk>, Evan Clark wrote: > In article <3d3dd0134e.ralph_valmai@ntlworld.com>, > wrote: > > There is certainly a need and there surely must be a demand. > > Whether it is at a level which makes it viable financially I have > > no idea. RISC OS Ltd or Castle ought to do it, but I doubt if it > > will happen soon; it may not happen at all.=20 > > I would be prepared to pay a good price. Your software has always > > been low priced and exceedingly good value for money. I would be > > prepared to pay more for a level 3 postscript driver than for > > anything comparable you have produced in the past. > > Go for it. :-) > It seems to me to be a prime candidate for funding in a way similar > to Martin Wuerthner's gimp-print project. I would be willing to > pledge a similar amount towards such a scheme. And so would I. --=20 Barry A. Rugby Union in Manchester:- http://www.broughton-park.org.uk/ =20 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Apr 7 13:40:36 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FRq2q-1bnVbs-02-B1T."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 13:40:36 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FRq2q-1bnVbs-02-B1T; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 12:26:32 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FRq2q-1bnVbs-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 12:26:32 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FRq2q-0003Oj-Fn for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 12:26:32 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E73C02D7174; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 08:26:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15158-07; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 08:26:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8F5292D70E1; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 08:26:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 07 Apr 2006 08:25:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 03F522D7174 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 08:25:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14979-04 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 08:25:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BFBF02D714D for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 08:25:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tenmagpies.demon.co.uk ([80.177.3.119] helo=iyonix.tenmagpies.demon.co.uk) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1FRq24-000Pf2-2m for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 12:25:45 +0000 Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 13:28:05 +0100 From: David W Mills To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: pdf, ovation, risc oss Message-ID: <61e5d4134e.david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk> References: <7eIcLmAprRNEFw05@pilling.demon.co.uk> <+HdNd$A8oYNEFwFL@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: tenmagpies User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 168 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message B G Hill wrote: > In message > Alan Leighton wrote: >=20 > > In message <+HdNd$A8oYNEFwFL@pilling.demon.co.uk> > > David Pilling wrote: [snip] > >> Earlier this year I came to the conclusion that doing an improved Po= st > >> Script printer driver for RISC OS would be easy - lets say a "level = 3" > >> driver to go with the existing level 1 and 2 drivers. > >>=20 > >> Anyway I put together such a project, however I came to the conclusi= on > >> that I just can't bear to do any more work on RISC OS. So I pulled o= ut. >=20 > That is a real blow! >=20 I sit here with an Iyonix, an SA RPC and a windows based lap top (school) Intriguingly my SARPC can still(after ten years) do all that is essential= to me for home use....e-mail, DTP/wordprocessing and access most websites I = need to using O1 and O2...... To read that one of the stalwarts of the (still) most user friendly and (= in the case of SARPC) energy efficient OS can't bear to do any more saddens = me.. I understand the finacial pressures however. [snip] > >> Others were involved maybe you could convince them that there is a > >> demand. > > There is a real demand from little old me.;-) >=20 > My latest printer is a Postscript 3 device, and that seems to be the=20 > norm now. We who find RiscOS the platform of choice for ease of use,=20 > would have to pay for a driver. I will stick my neck out, but could=20 > not afford to commission a driver on my own. I need to update my printer.... the BJC610 has died...and would be in the market for a new driver..... David From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Apr 7 13:40:37 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FRqBh-2AJVbs-04-Asc."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 13:40:37 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FRqBh-2AJVbs-04-Asc; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 12:35:41 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FRqBh-2AJVbs-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 12:35:41 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FRqBg-0007YP-Qn for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 12:35:41 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 441AD2D7A22; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 08:35:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16127-01; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 08:35:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DAE632D7183; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 08:35:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 07 Apr 2006 08:34:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id ADA3E2D71ED for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 08:34:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15913-10 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 08:34:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mta08-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.48]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3223E2D7174 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 08:34:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060407123455.VYAQ29040.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 13:34:55 +0100 Received: from Iyonix.ntlworld.com ([82.1.169.76]) by aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060407123454.GNEJ24467.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@Iyonix.ntlworld.com> for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 13:34:54 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: pdf, ovation, risc oss To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Alan Leighton X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.28 Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 13:35:12 +0100 Message-ID: <1a8cd5134e.alan@ntlworld.com> References: <7eIcLmAprRNEFw05@pilling.demon.co.uk> <+HdNd$A8oYNEFwFL@pilling.demon.co.uk> <3d3dd0134e.ralph_valmai@ntlworld.com> <4e13d0d5e0evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4e13d0d5e0evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.08 (MsgServe/3.23) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 169 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan.leighton2@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4e13d0d5e0evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> Evan Clark wrote: > In article <3d3dd0134e.ralph_valmai@ntlworld.com>, > wrote: >=20 >> There is certainly a need and there surely must be a demand. Whether i= t >> is at a level which makes it viable financially I have no idea. RISC O= S >> Ltd or Castle ought to do it, but I doubt if it will happen soon; it >> may not happen at all. >=20 >> I would be prepared to pay a good price. Your software has always been >> low priced and exceedingly good value for money. I would be prepared t= o >> pay more for a level 3 postscript driver than for anything comparable >> you have produced in the past. >=20 >> Go for it. :-) >=20 > It seems to me to be a prime candidate for funding in a way similar to > Martin Wuerthner's gimp-print project. I would be willing to pledge a > similar amount towards such a scheme. >=20 I am with you Evan. Alan >=20 >=20 --=20 Alan Leighton (Rev Dr) Priory Lodge 86b Church Lane, Eston, TS6 9QR From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Apr 7 13:50:25 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FRqJn-2j8Vbs-03-AkW."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 13:50:25 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FRqJn-2j8Vbs-03-AkW; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 12:44:03 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FRqJn-2j8Vbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 12:44:03 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FRqJn-0006hj-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 12:44:03 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5994F2D643D; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 08:44:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17884-10; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 08:44:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0252A2D6AAF; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 08:44:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 07 Apr 2006 08:43:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D2EF52D747B for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 08:43:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17758-03 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 08:43:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A0A5E2D6EE7 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 08:43:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tenmagpies.demon.co.uk ([80.177.3.119] helo=iyonix.tenmagpies.demon.co.uk) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1FRqJ1-0003AY-2J for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 12:43:15 +0000 Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 13:44:59 +0100 From: David W Mills To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: pdf, ovation, risc oss Message-ID: <9171d6134e.david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk> References: <7eIcLmAprRNEFw05@pilling.demon.co.uk> <+HdNd$A8oYNEFwFL@pilling.demon.co.uk> <3d3dd0134e.ralph_valmai@ntlworld.com> <4e13d0d5e0evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> <4e13d2845dbarry@e-allen.me.uk> In-Reply-To: <4e13d2845dbarry@e-allen.me.uk> X-Organization: tenmagpies User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 170 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4e13d2845dbarry@e-allen.me.uk> Barry E Allen wrote: [snip] > > It seems to me to be a prime candidate for funding in a way similar > > to Martin Wuerthner's gimp-print project. I would be willing to > > pledge a similar amount towards such a scheme. >=20 > And so would I. >=20 Why didn't I think of that?=20 Me too.... and a bit more if needs be. David From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Apr 7 14:00:24 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FRqUq-3PCVbs-04-AZT."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 14:00:24 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FRqUq-3PCVbs-04-AZT; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 12:55:28 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FRqUq-3PCVbs-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 12:55:28 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FRqUq-0003AD-Iu for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 12:55:28 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F230B2DAADA; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 08:55:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19796-04; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 08:55:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C7DB22DAB14; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 08:55:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 07 Apr 2006 08:54:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E02FB2DAAEF for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 08:54:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19605-03 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 08:54:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3CAA22DA9D8 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 08:54:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1FRqTy-000CYG-Kh for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 12:54:34 +0000 Message-ID: <$ZDt6UCGDmNEFwE7@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 13:53:26 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: pdf, ovation, risc oss References: <7eIcLmAprRNEFw05@pilling.demon.co.uk> <+HdNd$A8oYNEFwFL@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 171 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >My latest printer is a Postscript 3 device, and that seems to be the >norm now. The point about "level 3" is that PostScript level 3 provides a very=20 simple solution to many of the horrors in the current Acorn drivers -=20 for example rendering sprites with a mask. Even if you don't have a level 3 printer, you might want to generate=20 better PDFs. As an aside, in case you think Acorn didn't do a good job, Windows just=20 does not support such things. Things could also be done better outside of level 3. I think such a project would raise enough money to pay the programmer.=20 (500 copies at 30 quid a time?) I was in negotiation with Paul Middleton (necessary because you need=20 access to the source code of RISC OS) and John Tytgat (PostScript=20 expert). So, if anyone fancies themselves as an entrepreneur... --=20 David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR U= K fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Apr 7 14:40:26 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FRr7x-1ZNGPo-03-9wM."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 14:40:26 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FRr7x-1ZNGPo-03-9wM; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 13:35:53 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FRr7x-1ZNGPo-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 13:35:53 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FRr7w-0007SH-Ri for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 13:35:53 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4F39B2DADDF; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 09:35:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27119-01; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 09:35:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EDF472DADB3; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 09:35:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 07 Apr 2006 09:35:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2983C2DADD0 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 09:35:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27060-01 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 09:35:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.freeserve.com (smtp1.wanadoo.co.uk [193.252.22.158]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E47192DAD4B for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 09:35:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3012.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 01D6D1C00085 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 15:35:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: from Iyonix.freeuk.com (user-5025.l2.c1.dsl.pol.co.uk [81.77.179.161]) by mwinf3012.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id C4B941C00081 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 15:35:04 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20060407133504805.C4B941C00081@mwinf3012.me.freeserve.com Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro Windows 2.90 (29th. March 2006) To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Kevin Corney X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.28 Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 14:34:59 +0100 Message-ID: <3b05db134e.Kevin@freeuk.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.08 (MsgServe/3.23) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 172 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: Kevin@kcorney.freeserve.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message David Pilling wrote: > Hi, >=20 > I've updated the online version of the Ovation Pro Windows CD. >=20 > http://www.davidpilling.info/cd >=20 > The changes since the last version follow up discussions here. >=20 > I've added more tool tips - I think they are a good improvement. Doesn't seem to work on my machine. The tips are there, but seem to=20 relate to the icon that is next to the one I'm pointing to. --=20 Kevin Corney, Emley, West Yorkshire, HD8 9RG Niemand hat die Absicht, eine Mauer zu errichten. - W. Ulbricht From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Apr 7 15:00:30 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FRrQg-2uwGPo-08-9dd."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 15:00:30 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FRrQg-2uwGPo-08-9dd; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 13:55:14 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FRrQg-2uwGPo-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 13:55:14 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FRrQc-000135-TM for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 13:55:14 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6B7332DAC51; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 09:55:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30449-10; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 09:55:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DFA032DAB9A; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 09:55:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 07 Apr 2006 09:54:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3E3492DAC51 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 09:54:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29954-08 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 09:54:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from astro.systems.pipex.net (astro.systems.pipex.net [62.241.163.6]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 077082DAB86 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 09:54:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Iyonix.dsl.pipex.com (81-178-91-145.dsl.pipex.com [81.178.91.145]) by astro.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF74CE0001A7 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 14:54:15 +0100 (BST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Partridge To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 13:25:31 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: pdf, ovation, risc oss Message-ID: <4e13d4a929rkp@par.me.uk> In-Reply-To: <4e13d0d5e0evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> References: <7eIcLmAprRNEFw05@pilling.demon.co.uk> <+HdNd$A8oYNEFwFL@pilling.demon.co.uk> <3d3dd0134e.ralph_valmai@ntlworld.com> <4e13d0d5e0evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) Content-type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 173 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: rkp@par.me.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4e13d0d5e0evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk>, Evan Clark wrote: > In article <3d3dd0134e.ralph_valmai@ntlworld.com>, > wrote: > > There is certainly a need and there surely must be a demand. > > Whether it is at a level which makes it viable financially I have > > no idea. RISC OS Ltd or Castle ought to do it, but I doubt if it > > will happen soon; it may not happen at all.=20 > > I would be prepared to pay a good price. Your software has always > > been low priced and exceedingly good value for money. I would be > > prepared to pay more for a level 3 postscript driver than for > > anything comparable you have produced in the past. > > Go for it. :-) > It seems to me to be a prime candidate for funding in a way similar > to Martin Wuerthner's gimp-print project. I would be willing to > pledge a similar amount towards such a scheme. > Evan. However it's financed - and I think David has always underestimated the amount we are prepared to pay for good software - I would certainly buy a Postscript 3 driver. Richard Partridge. --=20 Richard Partridge rkp@par.me.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Apr 7 16:30:32 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FRsoA-1MWknw-08-Gmf."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 16:30:32 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FRsoA-1MWknw-08-Gmf; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 15:23:34 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FRsoA-1MWknw-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 15:23:34 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FRsoA-0006A9-Fq for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 15:23:34 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CC15D2DAF6D; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 11:23:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13860-10; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 11:23:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 157632DAEF7; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 11:23:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 07 Apr 2006 11:22:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E84C92DAF03 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 11:22:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13748-10 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 11:22:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pih-relay04.plus.net (pih-relay04.plus.net [212.159.14.131]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7711B2DAF02 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 11:22:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [84.92.97.176] (helo=greatest) by pih-relay04.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1FRsnO-0006Kq-8Y for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 16:22:46 +0100 Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 16:17:51 +0100 From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: pdf, ovation, risc oss Message-ID: <7d70e4134e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> References: <7eIcLmAprRNEFw05@pilling.demon.co.uk> <+HdNd$A8oYNEFwFL@pilling.demon.co.uk> <61e5d4134e.david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <61e5d4134e.david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.08 (MsgServe/3.23) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 174 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: tim@powys.org Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message of 7 Apr, David W Mills wrote: > In message > B G Hill wrote: >=20 > > In message > > Alan Leighton wrote: > >=20 > > > In message <+HdNd$A8oYNEFwFL@pilling.demon.co.uk> > > > David Pilling wrote: > [snip] > > >> Earlier this year I came to the conclusion that doing an improved = Post > > >> Script printer driver for RISC OS would be easy - lets say a "leve= l 3" > > >> driver to go with the existing level 1 and 2 drivers. > > >>=20 > > >> Anyway I put together such a project, however I came to the conclu= sion > > >> that I just can't bear to do any more work on RISC OS. So I pulled= out. > >=20 > > That is a real blow! > >=20 >=20 > I sit here with an Iyonix, an SA RPC and a windows based lap top (schoo= l) > Intriguingly my SARPC can still(after ten years) do all that is essenti= al to > me for home use....e-mail, DTP/wordprocessing and access most websites = I need > to using O1 and O2...... >=20 > To read that one of the stalwarts of the (still) most user friendly and= (in > the case of SARPC) energy efficient OS can't bear to do any more sadden= s me.. >=20 > I understand the finacial pressures however. > [snip] > > >> Others were involved maybe you could convince them that there is a > > >> demand. >=20 > > > There is a real demand from little old me.;-) > >=20 > > My latest printer is a Postscript 3 device, and that seems to be the=20 > > norm now. We who find RiscOS the platform of choice for ease of use,=20 > > would have to pay for a driver. I will stick my neck out, but could=20 > > not afford to commission a driver on my own. >=20 > I need to update my printer.... the BJC610 has died...and would be in t= he > market for a new driver..... I would definitely pay good money for a level 3 driver. --=20 Tim Powys-Lybbe=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0tim@pow= ys.org =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0For a miscellany of bygones: http:= //powys.org From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Apr 7 17:20:34 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FRte2-0QaVbs-01-Fwn."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 17:20:34 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FRte2-0QaVbs-01-Fwn; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 16:17:10 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FRte2-0QaVbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 16:17:10 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FRte1-0001vq-OM for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 16:17:09 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 21E972DACB3; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 12:17:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21551-02; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 12:17:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B9F712DAD19; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 12:17:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 07 Apr 2006 12:16:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3F23D2DACB3 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 12:16:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21373-03 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 12:16:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 09F682D6EC3 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 12:16:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1FRtdH-000LDR-Fh for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 16:16:24 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 17:14:56 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro Windows 2.90 (29th. March 2006) References: <3b05db134e.Kevin@freeuk.com> In-Reply-To: <3b05db134e.Kevin@freeuk.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 175 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Doesn't seem to work on my machine. The tips are there, but seem to >relate to the icon that is next to the one I'm pointing to. That's interesting. Above are you talking about button bar buttons or=20 tips on any icon? I suppose configuration may come into play - just which buttons are=20 enabled etc. buttons added by applets and so on. --=20 David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR U= K fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Apr 7 17:30:35 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FRtpn-1FiVbs-03-Fl2."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 17:30:35 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FRtpn-1FiVbs-03-Fl2; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 16:29:19 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FRtpn-1FiVbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 16:29:19 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FRtpl-0003Lq-MQ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 16:29:18 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1DC842DAD49; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 12:29:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23258-09; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 12:29:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C27982DAD17; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 12:29:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 07 Apr 2006 12:28:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A1D402DAE25 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 12:28:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23010-07 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 12:28:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.freeserve.com (smtp1.wanadoo.co.uk [193.252.22.158]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 675BE2DAE12 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 12:28:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3011.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 2C9C51C0009F for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 18:28:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: from Iyonix.freeuk.com (user-5025.l2.c1.dsl.pol.co.uk [81.77.179.161]) by mwinf3011.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id EA96A1C00097 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 18:28:29 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20060407162829960.EA96A1C00097@mwinf3011.me.freeserve.com Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro Windows 2.90 (29th. March 2006) To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Kevin Corney X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.28 Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 17:28:27 +0100 Message-ID: References: <3b05db134e.Kevin@freeuk.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.08 (MsgServe/3.23) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 176 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: Kevin@kcorney.freeserve.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message David Pilling wrote: >>Doesn't seem to work on my machine. The tips are there, but seem to >>relate to the icon that is next to the one I'm pointing to. >=20 > That's interesting. Above are you talking about button bar buttons or > tips on any icon? Button bar buttons > I suppose configuration may come into play - just which buttons are > enabled etc. buttons added by applets and so on. Could be - I've enabled quite a few. I'll have a further play around=20 and see if I can come up with more info. >=20 --=20 Kevin Corney, Emley, West Yorkshire, HD8 9RG Niemand hat die Absicht, eine Mauer zu errichten. - W. Ulbricht From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Apr 7 17:40:35 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FRty8-1rQVbs-01-Fch."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 17:40:35 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FRty8-1rQVbs-01-Fch; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 16:37:56 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FRty8-1rQVbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 16:37:56 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FRty4-0000n1-AG for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 16:37:56 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D96F12DAEA9; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 12:32:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24345-02; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 12:32:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 84DAF2DAF42; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 12:32:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 07 Apr 2006 12:31:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EFE4A2DAEA9 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 12:31:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24156-07 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 12:31:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.186]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 939972DAF12 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 12:31:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [62.180.24.73] (helo=bach) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu7) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0ML2Dk-1FRtrK2zX8-0003AN; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 18:30:55 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: pdf, ovation, risc oss To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.11b10 Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 18:31:36 +0200 Message-ID: References: <7eIcLmAprRNEFw05@pilling.demon.co.uk> <+HdNd$A8oYNEFwFL@pilling.demon.co.uk> <$ZDt6UCGDmNEFwE7@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <$ZDt6UCGDmNEFwE7@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.30b10 (MsgServe/3.11b1) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 177 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <$ZDt6UCGDmNEFwE7@pilling.demon.co.uk> David Pilling wrote: >>My latest printer is a Postscript 3 device, and that seems to be the >>norm now. >=20 > The point about "level 3" is that PostScript level 3 provides a very > simple solution to many of the horrors in the current Acorn drivers - > for example rendering sprites with a mask. Yes, that would be a relief. > Even if you don't have a level 3 printer, you might want to generate > better PDFs. True. I am very interested in seeing this happen. For obvious reasons=20 it would not matter for ArtWorks, but a lot of users embed ArtWorks=20 files in OvationPro documents and it would also help with PDF=20 generation from EasiWriter/TechWriter. > I think such a project would raise enough money to pay the programmer. > (500 copies at 30 quid a time?) I think that is a bit optimistic - compared to Gimp-Print, whose=20 usefulness was relatively easy to convey, it would be a bit more=20 difficult to explain to the average user that he needs a PostScript 3=20 driver. > I was in negotiation with Paul Middleton (necessary because you need > access to the source code of RISC OS) and John Tytgat (PostScript > expert). I have been thinking about such a project for ages and I even got as=20 far as obtaining the PostScript driver sources from Paul Middleton in=20 2002. So, I would certainly be interested in joining or supporting=20 such a project. Martin --=20 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Apr 7 17:50:36 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FRu31-2B5Vbs-03-FXo."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 17:50:36 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FRu31-2B5Vbs-03-FXo; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 16:42:59 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FRu31-2B5Vbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 16:42:59 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FRu30-0006LC-Cj for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 16:42:58 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A31462D3C9B; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 12:42:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26023-07; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 12:42:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 52CD42D746A; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 12:42:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 07 Apr 2006 12:42:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D83D22D3C9B for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 12:42:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25843-02 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 12:42:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.47]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 19DF22DAEF8 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 12:35:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060407163454.WUQO29343.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 17:34:54 +0100 Received: from Iyonix.ntlworld.com ([82.1.169.76]) by aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060407163454.DFBX16086.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@Iyonix.ntlworld.com> for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 17:34:54 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: pdf, ovation, risc oss To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Alan Leighton X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.28 Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 17:33:40 +0100 Message-ID: <4c61eb134e.alan@ntlworld.com> References: <7eIcLmAprRNEFw05@pilling.demon.co.uk> <+HdNd$A8oYNEFwFL@pilling.demon.co.uk> <$ZDt6UCGDmNEFwE7@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <$ZDt6UCGDmNEFwE7@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.08 (MsgServe/3.23) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 178 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan.leighton2@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <$ZDt6UCGDmNEFwE7@pilling.demon.co.uk> David Pilling wrote: >>My latest printer is a Postscript 3 device, and that seems to be the >>norm now. >=3D20 > The point about "level 3" is that PostScript level 3 provides a very > simple solution to many of the horrors in the current Acorn drivers - > for example rendering sprites with a mask. >=3D20 > Even if you don't have a level 3 printer, you might want to generate > better PDFs. >=3D20 > As an aside, in case you think Acorn didn't do a good job, Windows just= =3D > does not support such things. >=3D20 > Things could also be done better outside of level 3. >=3D20 > I think such a project would raise enough money to pay the programmer. > (500 copies at 30 quid a time?) >=3D20 > I was in negotiation with Paul Middleton (necessary because you need > access to the source code of RISC OS) and John Tytgat (PostScript > expert). >=3D20 > So, if anyone fancies themselves as . >=3D20 >=3D20 I may not be an entrepreneur but would readily donate =3DA360 --=3D20 Alan Leighton (Rev Dr) Priory Lodge 86b Church Lane, Eston, TS6 9QR From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Apr 7 17:50:36 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FRu6h-2PcVbs-04-FU8."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 17:50:36 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FRu6h-2PcVbs-04-FU8; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 16:46:47 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FRu6h-2PcVbs-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 16:46:47 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FRu6g-0003tM-8V for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 16:46:47 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 186C62D76E5; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 12:46:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27060-05; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 12:46:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C30AC2D7691; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 12:46:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 07 Apr 2006 12:45:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0CE832D74C5 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 12:45:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26620-04-3 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 12:45:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from blaster.systems.pipex.net (blaster.systems.pipex.net [62.241.163.7]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0E11D2D7673 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 12:45:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Iyonix (81-86-120-41.dsl.pipex.com [81.86.120.41]) by blaster.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09B22E0000A9 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 17:45:54 +0100 (BST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Andy Marks To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 17:48:02 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: pdf, ovation, risc oss Message-ID: <4e13ecb1e4andymarks@dsl.pipex.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03g (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.04-pre2 Content-type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 179 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: andymarks@dsl.pipex.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 07 Apr, Alan Leighton wrote: > In message <4e13d0d5e0evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> > Evan Clark wrote: > > In article <3d3dd0134e.ralph_valmai@ntlworld.com>, > > wrote: > >=20 > >> There is certainly a need and there surely must be a demand. Whether > >> it is at a level which makes it viable financially I have no idea. > >> RISC OS Ltd or Castle ought to do it, but I doubt if it will happen > >> soon; it may not happen at all. > >=20 > >> I would be prepared to pay a good price. Your software has always > >> been low priced and exceedingly good value for money. I would be > >> prepared to pay more for a level 3 postscript driver than for > >> anything comparable you have produced in the past. > >=20 > >> Go for it. :-) > >=20 > > It seems to me to be a prime candidate for funding in a way similar t= o > > Martin Wuerthner's gimp-print project. I would be willing to pledge a > > similar amount towards such a scheme. > >=20 > I am with you Evan. > Alan I'm in! Andy From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Apr 7 18:00:36 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FRuAT-2fsVbs-02-FQM."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 18:00:36 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FRuAT-2fsVbs-02-FQM; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 16:50:41 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FRuAT-2fsVbs-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 16:50:41 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FRuAS-0004f2-P5 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 16:50:41 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3BACE2D75D8; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 12:50:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28009-03; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 12:50:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D87872D76C0; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 12:50:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 07 Apr 2006 12:49:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1A0722D75D8 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 12:49:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27947-02 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 12:49:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.49]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8DDD22D75D7 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 12:49:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060407164954.VTHT27969.mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 17:49:54 +0100 Received: from Iyonix.ntlworld.com ([82.1.169.76]) by aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060407164954.LDWP24467.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@Iyonix.ntlworld.com> for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 17:49:54 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: pdf, ovation, risc oss To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Alan Leighton X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.28 Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 17:50:37 +0100 Message-ID: References: <7eIcLmAprRNEFw05@pilling.demon.co.uk> <+HdNd$A8oYNEFwFL@pilling.demon.co.uk> <$ZDt6UCGDmNEFwE7@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.08 (MsgServe/3.23) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 180 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan.leighton2@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message Martin Wuerthner wrote: > In message <$ZDt6UCGDmNEFwE7@pilling.demon.co.uk> > David Pilling wrote: >=20 >>>My latest printer is a Postscript 3 device, and that seems to be the >>>norm now. >>=20 >> The point about "level 3" is that PostScript level 3 provides a very >> simple solution to many of the horrors in the current Acorn drivers - >> for example rendering sprites with a mask. >=20 > Yes, that would be a relief. >=20 >> Even if you don't have a level 3 printer, you might want to generate >> better PDFs. >=20 > True. I am very interested in seeing this happen. For obvious reasons > it would not matter for ArtWorks, but a lot of users embed ArtWorks > files in OvationPro documents and it would also help with PDF > generation from EasiWriter/TechWriter. >=20 >> I think such a project would raise enough money to pay the programmer. >> (500 copies at 30 quid a time?) >=20 > I think that is a bit optimistic - compared to Gimp-Print, whose > usefulness was relatively easy to convey, it would be a bit more > difficult to explain to the average user that he needs a PostScript 3 > driver. >=20 >> I was in negotiation with Paul Middleton (necessary because you need >> access to the source code of RISC OS) and John Tytgat (PostScript >> expert). >=20 > I have been thinking about such a project for ages and I even got as > far as obtaining the PostScript driver sources from Paul Middleton in > 2002. So, I would certainly be interested in joining or supporting > such a project. >=20 Cash backing from me Martin Blessings --=20 Alan Leighton (Rev Dr) Priory Lodge 86b Church Lane, Eston, TS6 9QR From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Apr 7 18:20:37 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FRuUg-0Kw000-05-F69."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 18:20:37 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FRuUg-0Kw000-05-F69; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 17:11:34 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.104] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FRuUg-0Kw000-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 17:11:34 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FRuUb-0006RO-UP for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 17:11:34 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AECCF2DAB3E; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 13:10:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30846-01; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 13:10:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 599D12D74DB; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 13:10:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 07 Apr 2006 13:10:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D3AAD2D7A67 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 13:10:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30691-01 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 13:10:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.8]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 305D02D7307 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 13:10:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [172.23.170.140] (helo=anti-virus02-07) by smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FRuT8-0006l2-F3 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 18:09:58 +0100 Received: from [82.36.141.166] (helo=x1-6-00-09-95-00-10-ba.blueyonder.co.uk) by asmtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FRuT7-0003qH-U1 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 18:09:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ron. Briscoe To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 18:09:34 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: pdf, ovation, risc oss Message-ID: <4e13eeaa84ron.briscoe@blueyonder.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <7eIcLmAprRNEFw05@pilling.demon.co.uk> <+HdNd$A8oYNEFwFL@pilling.demon.co.uk> <$ZDt6UCGDmNEFwE7@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) Content-type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 181 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: ron.briscoe@blueyonder.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , Martin Wuerthner wrote: [Snip] > > I think such a project would raise enough money to pay the programmer= . > > (500 copies at 30 quid a time?) > I think that is a bit optimistic - compared to Gimp-Print, whose=20 > usefulness was relatively easy to convey, it would be a bit more=20 > difficult to explain to the average user that he needs a PostScript 3=20 > driver. I think that the average user may surprise you :-). > > I was in negotiation with Paul Middleton (necessary because you need > > access to the source code of RISC OS) and John Tytgat (PostScript > > expert). > I have been thinking about such a project for ages and I even got as=20 > far as obtaining the PostScript driver sources from Paul Middleton in=20 > 2002. So, I would certainly be interested in joining or supporting=20 > such a project. I would certainly support such a project. Regards Ron. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Apr 7 19:10:40 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FRvNk-28zGPo-03-ED5."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 19:10:40 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FRvNk-28zGPo-03-ED5; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 18:08:28 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FRvNk-28zGPo-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 18:08:28 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FRvNg-0005nT-34 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 18:08:28 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 99BB12DAFFD; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 14:07:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07188-04-3; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 14:07:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CE52E2DAFB1; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 14:07:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 07 Apr 2006 14:06:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4BE4F2DAE79 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 14:06:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06933-05 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 14:06:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.177]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8B3E22DADF5 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 14:06:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [62.180.24.79] (helo=bach) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu10) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0ML31I-1FRvLx1Wxu-0006DK; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 20:06:38 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: pdf, ovation, risc oss To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.11b10 Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 20:07:05 +0200 Message-ID: References: <7eIcLmAprRNEFw05@pilling.demon.co.uk> <+HdNd$A8oYNEFwFL@pilling.demon.co.uk> <$ZDt6UCGDmNEFwE7@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <$ZDt6UCGDmNEFwE7@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.30b10 (MsgServe/3.11b1) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 182 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <$ZDt6UCGDmNEFwE7@pilling.demon.co.uk> David Pilling wrote: >>My latest printer is a Postscript 3 device, and that seems to be the >>norm now. >=20 > The point about "level 3" is that PostScript level 3 provides a very > simple solution to many of the horrors in the current Acorn drivers - > for example rendering sprites with a mask. >=20 > Even if you don't have a level 3 printer, you might want to generate > better PDFs. Speaking of PDF generation: I have just ported GhostScript 8.50 to=20 RISC OS, which improves PDF generation based on !ps2pdf or PrintPDF=20 quite a bit. For instance, in contrast to the current RISC OS port=20 (version 7.03), GhostScript 8.50 no longer converts text in=20 non-Publisher fonts (i.e., fonts without a Type-1 file, which appear=20 as Type-3 fonts in the PostScript file) to bitmaps. Of course, it cannot do better than its PostScript input files, so an=20 improved PS driver would be really useful. Martin --=20 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Apr 7 19:30:41 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FRvcF-2oLGPo-01-Dya."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 19:30:41 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FRvcF-2oLGPo-01-Dya; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 18:23:27 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.104] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FRvcF-2oLGPo-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 18:23:27 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FRvc8-0005i6-Qm for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 18:23:27 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 42FA72DAEF2; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 14:23:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09742-05; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 14:23:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 26C342DAE3B; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 14:23:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 07 Apr 2006 14:22:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7D2E12DB157 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 14:22:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09570-01 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 14:22:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.38]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C0FB42DB105 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 14:22:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 88-105-183-233.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com) ([88.105.183.233]) by mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 07 Apr 2006 19:22:20 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AQAAALxINkSIYSw Received: from 88-105-183-233.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.105.183.233]:10223 helo=dave.nom) by mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1FRvbA-000OSv-7m for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 18:22:20 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 19:17:45 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro Windows 2.90 (29th. March 2006) Message-ID: <4e13f4e8bddfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 183 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dfs@ukgateway.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , David Pilling wrote: > I've added more tool tips - I think they are a good improvement. To go=20 > with them there is an enhanced Edit macro window, and a script function= =20 > that can define a macro with a tooltip. Most excellent Mr P. The tooltips work perfectly here, and I've used the enhanced Edit Macro window to add Tooltips for the buttons I've created in the past. Cheers and thanks Dave S PS: For anyone thinking about getting a copy of the Window OvPro manual, = I received my (paid for copy) this morning, it's a very well produced manual, so get yersel a copy. D. --=20 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Apr 7 19:50:42 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FRvvB-0ds000-01-Dfe."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 19:50:42 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FRvvB-0ds000-01-Dfe; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 18:43:01 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FRvvB-0ds000-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 18:43:01 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FRvvA-0006Ks-JQ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 18:43:00 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9F4F52DA950; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 14:42:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13034-07-2; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 14:42:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9F7752D7648; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 14:42:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 07 Apr 2006 14:42:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 94ACD2D7B24 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 14:42:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12892-08 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 14:42:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 62EC52DA92A for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 14:42:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1FRvuN-000D4T-Az for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 18:42:11 +0000 Message-ID: <3VIvJaGqIrNEFw15@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 19:40:42 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: pdf, ovation, risc oss References: <7eIcLmAprRNEFw05@pilling.demon.co.uk> <+HdNd$A8oYNEFwFL@pilling.demon.co.uk> <$ZDt6UCGDmNEFwE7@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 184 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >I think that is a bit optimistic - compared to Gimp-Print, whose >usefulness was relatively easy to convey, it would be a bit more That was up against Uniprint and standard RISC OS drivers. For=20 PostScript there is no alternative. I'd guess the horrors of PostScript output are one reason some people=20 left RISC OS, funny that on Windows apps. tend to generate their own=20 PostScript. So had Acorn done a worse job they might have kept their=20 customers longer. --=20 David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR U= K fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Apr 7 20:00:42 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FRw5A-0Uoknw-05-DVf."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 20:00:42 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FRw5A-0Uoknw-05-DVf; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 18:53:20 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FRw5A-0Uoknw-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 18:53:20 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FRw4c-0001TT-1O for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 18:53:20 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0B9362DB25E; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 14:52:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15031-10-2; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 14:52:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 90F372DB24D; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 14:52:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 07 Apr 2006 14:51:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 95BB52DB223 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 14:51:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14251-05 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 14:51:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.187]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2847D2DB0FC for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 14:51:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [62.180.24.88] (helo=bach) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu2) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKwtQ-1FRw3Y0wlS-0004xv; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 20:51:40 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: pdf, ovation, risc oss To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.11b10 Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 20:52:16 +0200 Message-ID: References: <7eIcLmAprRNEFw05@pilling.demon.co.uk> <+HdNd$A8oYNEFwFL@pilling.demon.co.uk> <$ZDt6UCGDmNEFwE7@pilling.demon.co.uk> <3VIvJaGqIrNEFw15@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <3VIvJaGqIrNEFw15@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.30b10 (MsgServe/3.11b1) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 185 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <3VIvJaGqIrNEFw15@pilling.demon.co.uk> David Pilling wrote: >>I think that is a bit optimistic - compared to Gimp-Print, whose >>usefulness was relatively easy to convey, it would be a bit more >=20 > That was up against Uniprint and standard RISC OS drivers. For > PostScript there is no alternative. I think the opposite is the case: To someone who did not have a=20 Windows PC and who wanted to buy a printer for which there were no=20 standard drivers, there was no alternative to Gimp-Print, whereas we=20 do have a working PostScript driver and some users may not even have=20 noticed that it produces poor output in some cases. Anyway, it does not really matter whether there is more or less=20 support than for Gimp-Print. It is clear that there is demand and we=20 will be able to find out easily how much demand there is by following=20 a similar scheme as for Gimp-Print. I would not mind being proved=20 wrong. With a similar amount of funding as I got for Gimp-Print it=20 should not be a problem to fund an improved PostScript driver. Martin --=20 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Apr 7 20:20:43 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FRwNt-1mr000-03-DCw."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 20:20:43 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FRwNt-1mr000-03-DCw; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 19:12:41 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FRwNt-1mr000-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 19:12:41 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FRwNt-0006Ev-JL for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 19:12:41 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DFB3B2DACB2; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 15:12:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18977-01; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 15:12:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5E4C82DABEC; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 15:12:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 07 Apr 2006 15:11:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9D1312D6D6B for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 15:11:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18710-05 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 15:11:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6D8C12DAB65 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 15:11:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1FRwN7-000FuP-As for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 19:11:53 +0000 Message-ID: <5muclTIxkrNEFw2c@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 20:10:41 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: pdf, ovation, risc oss References: <7eIcLmAprRNEFw05@pilling.demon.co.uk> <+HdNd$A8oYNEFwFL@pilling.demon.co.uk> <$ZDt6UCGDmNEFwE7@pilling.demon.co.uk> <3VIvJaGqIrNEFw15@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 186 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >support than for Gimp-Print. It is clear that there is demand and we >will be able to find out easily how much demand there is by following >a similar scheme as for Gimp-Print. So you're gonna do it? --=20 David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR U= K fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Apr 7 20:30:44 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FRwYP-2Af000-08-D2Q."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 20:30:44 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FRwYP-2Af000-08-D2Q; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 19:23:33 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FRwYP-2Af000-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 19:23:33 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FRwYL-0003Bd-VO for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 19:23:32 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 77BC72DAFF7; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 15:23:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21758-04; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 15:23:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0F96C2DB13E; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 15:23:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 07 Apr 2006 15:22:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 783F22DB035 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 15:22:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21560-08 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 15:22:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk (mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk [212.9.8.7]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id DE0E92DB161 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 15:21:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iyonix ([82.112.146.156]) by mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk (Merak 8.3.8) with SMTP id LXC78115 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 20:21:15 +0100 Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 20:21:12 +0100 From: michael talibard To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: pdf, ovation, risc oss Message-ID: References: <7eIcLmAprRNEFw05@pilling.demon.co.uk> <+HdNd$A8oYNEFwFL@pilling.demon.co.uk> <$ZDt6UCGDmNEFwE7@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4e13eeaa84ron.briscoe@blueyonder.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4e13eeaa84ron.briscoe@blueyonder.co.uk> X-Organization: home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 187 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: michael@talibard.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4e13eeaa84ron.briscoe@blueyonder.co.uk> you wrote: >=20 > > I have been thinking about such a project for ages and I even got as=20 > > far as obtaining the PostScript driver sources from Paul Middleton in= =20 > > 2002. So, I would certainly be interested in joining or supporting=20 > > such a project. >=20 > I would certainly support such a project. >=20 > Regards Ron. >=20 Me too. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Apr 7 21:10:46 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FRxG3-3nJ000-01-CKm."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 21:10:46 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FRxG3-3nJ000-01-CKm; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 20:08:39 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FRxG3-3nJ000-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 20:08:39 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FRxFx-0007JW-9P for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 20:08:39 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 996B42DB233; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 16:00:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27728-09; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 16:00:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4B0032DB36D; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 16:00:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 07 Apr 2006 15:59:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 19D652DB233 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 15:59:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27648-09 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 15:59:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.7]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 33FE32DB222 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 15:59:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [172.23.170.142] (helo=anti-virus02-09) by smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FRx7V-0005Aq-8h for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 20:59:49 +0100 Received: from [82.44.100.114] (helo=BRUCEA6) by asmtp-out6.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FRx7U-0001rQ-IH for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 20:59:48 +0100 Message-ID: <00d201c65a7d$e4f82f80$8100a8c0@BRUCEA6> From: "Bruce Goatly" To: References: <7eIcLmAprRNEFw05@pilling.demon.co.uk> <+HdNd$A8oYNEFwFL@pilling.demon.co.uk> <$ZDt6UCGDmNEFwE7@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4e13eeaa84ron.briscoe@blueyonder.co.uk> Subject: [softwarelist] Re: pdf, ovation, risc oss Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 21:00:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 188 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: bruce@goatly.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) michael talibard wrote: > In message <4e13eeaa84ron.briscoe@blueyonder.co.uk> you wrote: >> I would certainly support such a project. > Me too. As would I. Bruce From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Apr 7 21:30:47 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FRxWQ-4Nb000-07-C4P."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 21:30:47 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FRxWQ-4Nb000-07-C4P; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 20:25:34 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FRxWQ-4Nb000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 20:25:34 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FRxWQ-0003so-6r for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 20:25:34 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A5C8A2DB0AA; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 16:25:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31412-03; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 16:25:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 56CD22DAFE2; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 16:25:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 07 Apr 2006 16:24:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A83FA2DAD09 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 16:24:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31307-07 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 16:24:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ptb-relay02.plus.net (ptb-relay02.plus.net [212.159.14.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6761A2DB082 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 16:24:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [80.229.143.2] (helo=radstock) by ptb-relay02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1FRxVg-0007Ps-AO for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 21:24:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 21:24:28 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: pdf, ovation, risc oss Message-ID: <4e1400828cchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: References: <7eIcLmAprRNEFw05@pilling.demon.co.uk> <+HdNd$A8oYNEFwFL@pilling.demon.co.uk> <$ZDt6UCGDmNEFwE7@pilling.demon.co.uk> <3VIvJaGqIrNEFw15@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.04-pre2 Content-type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 189 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , Martin Wuerthner wrote: > Anyway, it does not really matter whether there is more or less > support than for Gimp-Print. It is clear that there is demand and > we will be able to find out easily how much demand there is by > following a similar scheme as for Gimp-Print. I would not mind > being proved wrong. With a similar amount of funding as I got for > Gimp-Print it should not be a problem to fund an improved > PostScript driver. There is certainly demand, but how much is it really? David mentions 500 takers. From some of the other figures that have been alluded to at various times, that is a very significant fraction of the total of RISC OS users at the present time. What is needed is a realistic tally of all the "me too's", and how much they would contribute. Could we reach 200 supporters even? I would welcome further development of this and other projects that have been mentioned from time to time, but it is going to cost us. If the programmers are willing to give it a go, then we should attempt to start up a scheme as soon as is practicable. If there is any way I could help then count me in. Chris... --=20 Chris Johnson From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Apr 7 23:40:52 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FRzXk-3qtknw-06-A35."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 23:40:52 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FRzXk-3qtknw-06-A35; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 22:35:04 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FRzXk-3qtknw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 22:35:04 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FRzXk-0007ls-0B for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 22:35:04 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 65E492DAB42; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 18:35:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20743-09; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 18:35:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0597A2DACB0; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 18:35:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 07 Apr 2006 18:34:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4D8BD2DAB42 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 18:34:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20473-09 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 18:34:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E6ADA2DACB0 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 18:34:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from orphean-press.demon.co.uk ([80.176.244.156] helo=iyonix.iyonix) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1FRzWz-000372-Ib for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 22:34:18 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Peter Newble To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 23:34:18 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: pdf, ovation, risc oss Message-ID: <4e140c658emailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <7eIcLmAprRNEFw05@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <7eIcLmAprRNEFw05@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) Content-type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 190 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: mailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4e1400828cchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com>, Chris Johnson wrote: > There is certainly demand, but how much is it really? David > mentions 500 takers. Who knows? (It took an awful log long time for the number of Iyonix users interested in Select to reach 100, for instance). Last year, referring to the possibility of direct PostScript output from Ovation Pro for RISC OS, David Pilling wrote: > The problem comes down to numbers, if as I suspect less than 20 > people want this feature, it is hard to justify spending a couple > of weeks on it. In article <4e1400828cchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com>, Chris Johnson wrote: > What is needed is a realistic tally of all the "me too's", and how > much they would contribute. As Allan Leighton, B. G. Hill, Ralph Valmai, Evan Clark, Barry Allen, David Mills, Andy Marks, Richard Partridge, Tim Powys-Lybbe, Ron Briscoe, Michael Talibard, Martin Wuerthner and Bruce Goatly have already said in one way or other: count me in. (N.b. that's not even twenty people yet!) Like some others, I would be prepared to pay what would be, to me, a substantial sum. (Last year John Cartmell offered to kiss David Pilling's feet but sensibly offered a cash alternative . . .). However: In article <$ZDt6UCGDmNEFwE7@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > I think such a project would raise enough money to pay the > programmer. (500 copies at 30 quid a time?) So that's 15000 quid, say. If we include John Cartmell putting his money where his lips are, that would be 1000 quid each: a bit more than the "substantial sum" I had in mind. But what would be the object of the exercise? While a PostScript 3 driver for RISC OS as a whole would be a good thing, for me at least it wouldn't be the whole solution. I find it possible to work round most current limitations, such as problems printing sprites, but the biggest single problem is that the RISC OS printing system assumes the RGB color model, but when printing either to my own PostScript devices or to file (in order to make a composite PDF to be sent to a litho or digital offset printer) I need colours to be specified in CMYK space. I get round this by printing to file then editing the PostScript before sending it to a printer or converting to PDF, but I wish I didn't have to. When I first used Impression Publisher Plus, then later Ovation Pro with its colour supplement, their handling of CMYK and spot colours was all I needed -- I didn't have a colour PostScript printer myself, and printing companies wanted colour-separated films. Both these programs were up to the job, sending separated (greyscale) output through the RISC OS PostScript drivers. Now I need composite CMYK output most of the time and it's much more difficult to achieve. Porting the direct PostScript output of Ovation Pro for Windows to the RISC OS version would be no help to someone wanting PostScript 3 printing from Impression or Techwriter, but it would get round the problem of RGB-only !Printers. In article <3VIvJaGqIrNEFw15@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > funny that on Windows apps. tend to generate their own PostScript. That's inefficient and inelegant, but if RISC OS, like Windows, restricts how well an individual application can print to PostScript devices then maybe the only solution is direct PostScript output from the application itself. In article , Martin Wuerthner wrote: > Speaking of PDF generation: I have just ported GhostScript 8.50 to > RISC OS That's wonderful. When will it be available? (http://www.mw-software.com/ still offers GhostScript 7.03). Peter Newble. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Apr 8 00:10:53 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FS05f-0ENVbs-03-9VA."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 00:10:53 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FS05f-0ENVbs-03-9VA; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 23:10:07 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FS05f-0ENVbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 23:10:07 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FS05e-0000xE-UO for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 23:10:07 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 52C3E2DAA7E; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 19:10:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25652-02; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 19:10:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 024FA2D6F63; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 19:10:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 07 Apr 2006 19:09:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F16592DAB62 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 19:09:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25381-08 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 19:09:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mxsrv1.tranzpeer.net (mxsrv1.tranzpeer.net [202.180.66.214]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 941042DAAF0 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 19:09:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [202.180.90.20] (helo=XPHOMEPC) by mxsrv1.tranzpeer.net with SMTP (Exim 4.34) id 1FS04r-000712-F9 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 11:09:18 +1200 Message-ID: <001d01c65a98$51bfa200$145ab4ca@XPHOMEPC> From: "Dan McCarthy" To: References: <7eIcLmAprRNEFw05@pilling.demon.co.uk> <+HdNd$A8oYNEFwFL@pilling.demon.co.uk> <$ZDt6UCGDmNEFwE7@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c61eb134e.alan@ntlworld.com> Subject: [softwarelist] Re: pdf, ovation, risc oss and money Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 11:05:37 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 191 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: danmccat@slingshot.co.nz Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_10,REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >>=3D20 >>=3D20 >I may not be an entrepreneur but would readily donate =3DA360 >--=3D20 >Alan Leighton (Rev Dr) >Priory Lodge >86b Church Lane, Eston, TS6 9QR As an aside, it could avoid confusion if people used the word Pound on this list. On this system it appeared that Dr Leighton was offering to pa= y=20 three hundred and sixty Australian dollars Cheers Dan McCarthy From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Apr 8 00:20:54 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FS084-0HxVbs-04-9Sl."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 00:20:54 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FS084-0HxVbs-04-9Sl; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 23:12:36 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FS084-0HxVbs-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 23:12:36 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FS084-0001Qk-Gw for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 23:12:36 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E8C862DAEA2; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 19:12:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26195-01; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 19:12:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 913A22DADF0; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 19:12:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 07 Apr 2006 19:11:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8FDD32DAE7A for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 19:11:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26070-03 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 19:11:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.183]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 35B032DAE07 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 19:11:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [62.180.24.19] (helo=bach) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu4) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0ML21M-1FS07K07R2-0003fi; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 01:11:50 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: pdf, ovation, risc oss To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.11b10 Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2006 01:10:23 +0200 Message-ID: <56b30f144e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <7eIcLmAprRNEFw05@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4e140c658emailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4e140c658emailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.30b10 (MsgServe/3.11b1) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 192 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4e140c658emailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> Peter Newble wrote: > In article <3VIvJaGqIrNEFw15@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling > wrote: >> funny that on Windows apps. tend to generate their own PostScript. >=20 > That's inefficient and inelegant, but if RISC OS, like Windows, > restricts how well an individual application can print to PostScript > devices then maybe the only solution is direct PostScript output from > the application itself. ... or, of course, direct PDF output. > In article , Martin Wuerthner > wrote: >> Speaking of PDF generation: I have just ported GhostScript 8.50 to >> RISC OS >=20 > That's wonderful. When will it be available? > (http://www.mw-software.com/ still offers GhostScript 7.03). It will still take a few days. I will announce it via the usual channels. Martin --=20 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Apr 8 00:40:55 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FS0Q9-0mbVbs-07-9Ag."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 00:40:55 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FS0Q9-0mbVbs-07-9Ag; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 23:31:17 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FS0Q9-0mbVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 23:31:17 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FS0Q2-0003jo-Fk for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 23:31:17 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 726272DB0FE; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 19:31:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29150-01; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 19:31:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1B0472DB080; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 19:31:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 07 Apr 2006 19:30:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5DFDA2DB020 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 19:30:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28593-06 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 19:30:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E8AF92DAE34 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 19:30:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([83.104.47.124]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1FS0PB-0007fu-HP for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 23:30:17 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2006 00:26:43 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: pdf, ovation, risc oss and money Message-ID: <4e14113220john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <001d01c65a98$51bfa200$145ab4ca@XPHOMEPC> References: <7eIcLmAprRNEFw05@pilling.demon.co.uk> <+HdNd$A8oYNEFwFL@pilling.demon.co.uk> <$ZDt6UCGDmNEFwE7@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c61eb134e.alan@ntlworld.com> <001d01c65a98$51bfa200$145ab4ca@XPHOMEPC> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 193 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: john@cartmell.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 08 Apr, Dan McCarthy wrote: > >>=3D20 > >>=3D20 > >I may not be an entrepreneur but would readily donate =3DA360 > >--=3D20 > >Alan Leighton (Rev Dr) > >Priory Lodge > >86b Church Lane, Eston, TS6 9QR > As an aside, it could avoid confusion if people used the word Pound on > this list. On this system it appeared that Dr Leighton was offering to = pay=20 > three hundred and sixty Australian dollars GBP is the recognised abbreviation in the money market. --=20 John Cartmell john@ followed by finnybank.com 0845 006 8822 Qercus magazine FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 www.finnybank.com Qercus - the best guide to RISC OS computing =20 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Apr 8 00:50:55 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FS0eB-18WVbs-07-8we."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 00:50:55 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FS0eB-18WVbs-07-8we; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 23:45:47 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.104] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FS0eB-18WVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 23:45:47 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FS0e4-0000cg-Nm for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 23:45:47 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A84B62DAEB7; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 19:45:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31479-02; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 19:45:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 53B4F2DAF89; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 19:45:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 07 Apr 2006 19:44:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 57FBE2DAEB7 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 19:44:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31246-01 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 19:44:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.freeuk.net (relay.freeuk.net [212.126.144.54]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 42C4F2DAAD6 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 19:44:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from du-003-0195.freeuk.com ([212.126.145.195] helo=helvellyn) by relay.freeuk.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FS0d4-0004bM-6k for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 00:44:38 +0100 Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 22:23:40 +0100 From: Steve Fryatt To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: pdf, ovation, risc oss Message-ID: <20ee05144e.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> References: <7eIcLmAprRNEFw05@pilling.demon.co.uk> <+HdNd$A8oYNEFwFL@pilling.demon.co.uk> <$ZDt6UCGDmNEFwE7@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.08 (MsgServe/3.23) (RISC-OS/5.10) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 194 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: lists@stevefryatt.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 7 Apr, Martin Wuerthner wrote in message : > Speaking of PDF generation: I have just ported GhostScript 8.50 to RIS= C > OS, which improves PDF generation based on !ps2pdf or PrintPDF quite a > bit. For instance, in contrast to the current RISC OS port (version > 7.03), GhostScript 8.50 no longer converts text in non-Publisher fonts > (i.e., fonts without a Type-1 file, which appear as Type-3 fonts in th= e > PostScript file) to bitmaps. Thanks -- that's great news. The lack of a more up-to-date version of GhostScript than 7.03 had stopped me implementing a number of requested improvements to PrintPDF; hopefully this will no longer be an issue. --=20 Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Apr 8 13:52:07 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FS3f6-17LGPo-04-ESF."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 13:52:07 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FS3f6-17LGPo-04-ESF; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 02:58:56 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FS3f6-17LGPo-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 02:58:56 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FS3f6-0003zB-2S for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 02:58:56 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7E6E62DAB6F; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 22:58:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19117-03; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 22:58:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F3C802DAA04; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 22:58:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 07 Apr 2006 22:58:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EF7BE2DAB6F for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 22:58:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18983-01 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 22:58:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B5BBB2DAA04 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 22:58:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1FS3eL-0004YX-64 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 02:58:09 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 03:55:52 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: pdf, ovation, risc oss References: <7eIcLmAprRNEFw05@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4e140c658emailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4e140c658emailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 195 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >referring to the possibility of direct PostScript output from Ovation >Pro for RISC OS, David Pilling wrote: >> The problem comes down to numbers, if as I suspect less than 20 A PS driver would appeal to a lot more people than OP users. >substantial sum. (Last year John Cartmell offered to kiss David >Pilling's feet but sensibly offered a cash alternative . . .). When all that discussion was going on, the direct PS output in OPW=20 didn't exist. The idea was that once it did people could try it out and=20 see if it actually did what they hoped. No one has come back to me and=20 said "OPW PS is better (or worse) that RISC OS". >through the RISC OS PostScript drivers. Now I need composite CMYK >output most of the time and it's much more difficult to achieve. CMYK is another step. My thoughts on level 3 drivers have been that=20 you'd get a lot for little effort. I was going to say it would be too complex. It does involve applications=20 being changed. But thinking about it, you only need one interface to set=20 a CMYK colour. --=20 David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR U= K fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Apr 8 13:52:14 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FS8DC-00pknw-02-9u9."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 13:52:14 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FS8DC-00pknw-02-9u9; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 07:50:26 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FS8DC-00pknw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 07:50:26 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FS8D9-000494-M9 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 07:50:26 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 43F332D76A3; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 03:50:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17382-08; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 03:50:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EA70E2D7228; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 03:50:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 08 Apr 2006 03:49:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EC1F22D76A3 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 03:49:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17153-05 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 03:49:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.49]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3DB8D2D7228 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 03:49:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060408074921.LPVQ27969.mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 08:49:21 +0100 Received: from Iyonix.ntlworld.com ([82.1.169.76]) by aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060408074921.TVXV16286.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@Iyonix.ntlworld.com> for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 08:49:21 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: pdf, ovation, risc oss and money To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Alan Leighton X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.28 Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2006 08:52:29 +0100 Message-ID: <1a803f144e.alan@ntlworld.com> References: <7eIcLmAprRNEFw05@pilling.demon.co.uk> <+HdNd$A8oYNEFwFL@pilling.demon.co.uk> <$ZDt6UCGDmNEFwE7@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c61eb134e.alan@ntlworld.com> <001d01c65a98$51bfa200$145ab4ca@XPHOMEPC> In-Reply-To: <001d01c65a98$51bfa200$145ab4ca@XPHOMEPC> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.08 (MsgServe/3.23) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 196 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan.leighton2@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <001d01c65a98$51bfa200$145ab4ca@XPHOMEPC> "Dan McCarthy" wrote: >>>=3D20 >>>=3D20 >>I may not be an entrepreneur but would readily donate =3DA360 >=20 >>--=3D20 >>Alan Leighton (Rev Dr) >>Priory Lodge >>86b Church Lane, Eston, TS6 9QR >=20 > As an aside, it could avoid confusion if people used the word Pound on > this list. On this system it appeared that Dr Leighton was offering to = pay > three hundred and sixty Australian dollars >=20 I do not know that happened, I said 60 UK pounds. Where all this =3D20=20 comes from I havent a clue. Lets get that clear ;-) Alan --=20 Alan Leighton (Rev Dr) Priory Lodge 86b Church Lane, Eston, TS6 9QR From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Apr 8 13:52:18 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FS9EU-1e4knw-06-8sr."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 13:52:18 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FS9EU-1e4knw-06-8sr; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 08:55:50 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FS9EU-1e4knw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 08:55:50 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FS9EU-0002Q0-9k for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 08:55:50 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 93CCA2DAB31; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 04:55:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23974-08; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 04:55:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 447D92D7527; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 04:55:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 08 Apr 2006 04:55:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DCB202DAB31 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 04:55:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23881-01 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 04:55:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pih-relay06.plus.net (pih-relay06.plus.net [212.159.14.133]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 57F442D77A0 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 04:55:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [84.92.97.176] (helo=greatest) by pih-relay06.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1FS9Dj-0005kD-8W for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 09:55:03 +0100 Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2006 09:51:16 +0100 From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: pdf, ovation, risc oss Message-ID: References: <7eIcLmAprRNEFw05@pilling.demon.co.uk> <+HdNd$A8oYNEFwFL@pilling.demon.co.uk> <$ZDt6UCGDmNEFwE7@pilling.demon.co.uk> <20ee05144e.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <20ee05144e.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.08 (MsgServe/3.23) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 197 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: tim@powys.org Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message of 7 Apr, Steve Fryatt wrote: > On 7 Apr, Martin Wuerthner wrote in message > : >=20 > > Speaking of PDF generation: I have just ported GhostScript 8.50 to R= ISC > > OS, which improves PDF generation based on !ps2pdf or PrintPDF quite= a > > bit. For instance, in contrast to the current RISC OS port (version > > 7.03), GhostScript 8.50 no longer converts text in non-Publisher fon= ts > > (i.e., fonts without a Type-1 file, which appear as Type-3 fonts in = the > > PostScript file) to bitmaps. >=20 > Thanks -- that's great news. The lack of a more up-to-date version of > GhostScript than 7.03 had stopped me implementing a number of requested > improvements to PrintPDF; hopefully this will no longer be an issue. Amd that too is great news for a favourite utility. --=20 Tim Powys-Lybbe=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0tim@pow= ys.org =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0For a miscellany of bygones: http:= //powys.org From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Apr 8 13:52:19 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FS9Nb-1trknw-04-8jk."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 13:52:19 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FS9Nb-1trknw-04-8jk; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 09:05:15 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FS9Nb-1trknw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 09:05:15 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FS9Na-0002tA-Nk for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 09:05:15 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EE41D2DAB2A; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 05:05:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24759-03; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 05:05:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9E9C72D7969; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 05:05:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 08 Apr 2006 05:04:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3BCC12DAB56 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 05:04:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24441-10 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 05:04:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from outmail.freedom2surf.net (outmail1.freedom2surf.net [194.106.33.237]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DBA6D2DAB37 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 05:04:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from barryix (i-83-67-106-112.freedom2surf.net [83.67.106.112]) by outmail.freedom2surf.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k3894S5K032761 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 10:04:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Barry E Allen To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2006 10:03:07 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: pdf, ovation, risc oss Message-ID: <4e1445f7aabarry@e-allen.me.uk> In-Reply-To: <4e140c658emailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> References: <7eIcLmAprRNEFw05@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4e140c658emailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 Content-type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 198 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: barry@e-allen.me.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4e140c658emailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk>, Peter Newble wrote: > In article <4e1400828cchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com>, Chris Johnson > wrote: > > There is certainly demand, but how much is it really? David > > mentions 500 takers. > Who knows? (It took an awful log long time for the number of Iyonix > users interested in Select to reach 100, for instance). I'm an Iyonix user and also an 'Adjust' user on a Virtual Risc PC on my Laptop and to be honest I can't see a difference that I would pay money for. However, I would pay for an updated Postscript Print driver. --=20 Barry A. Rugby Union in Manchester:- http://www.broughton-park.org.uk/ =20 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Apr 8 13:52:21 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FS9xp-2r4knw-01-Gg2."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 13:52:21 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FS9xp-2r4knw-01-Gg2; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 09:42:41 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FS9xp-2r4knw-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 09:42:41 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FS9xl-0000G2-6e for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 09:42:41 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 51C861E95DC; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 05:42:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28785-02; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 05:42:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F0F782D7686; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 05:42:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 08 Apr 2006 05:41:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8A2DD2D76CB for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 05:41:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28702-07 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 05:41:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.171]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D12252DAE89 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 05:41:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [62.180.24.4] (helo=bach) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu0) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKwh2-1FS9wg45hW-0002rI; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 11:41:31 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: pdf, ovation, risc oss To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.11b10 Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2006 11:41:49 +0200 Message-ID: References: <7eIcLmAprRNEFw05@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4e140c658emailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.30b10 (MsgServe/3.11b1) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 199 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message David Pilling wrote: > In message <4e140c658emailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> > Peter Newble wrote: > >> through the RISC OS PostScript drivers. Now I need composite CMYK >> output most of the time and it's much more difficult to achieve. >=20 > CMYK is another step. My thoughts on level 3 drivers have been that > you'd get a lot for little effort. >=20 > I was going to say it would be too complex. It does involve application= s > being changed. But thinking about it, you only need one interface to se= t > a CMYK colour. Yes, this is really frustrating. It could have been done with=20 practically zero effort 10 years ago and all applications could have=20 been printing CMYK colours easily all that time. I have heard that Cerilica once distributed a hacked PS driver that=20 offered such an interface and Vantage used it to print CMYK colours to=20 PostScript. For quite some time I have been wondering why OP and ArtWorks do not=20 simply inject the setcmykcolour command into PostScript themselves, in=20 the same way as both apps print CMYK sprites by injecting PostScript=20 code. Having a proper interface in the PS driver would be nicer of=20 course and would avoid pitfalls like the PS driver being too clever=20 and optimizing subsequent RGB colour changes away because the colour=20 is the same as the previous RGB colour set via the official interface. Martin --=20 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Apr 8 14:12:04 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FSD6H-3OZVbs-07-DXa."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 14:12:04 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FSD6H-3OZVbs-07-DXa; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 13:03:37 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FSD6H-3OZVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 13:03:37 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FSD6H-0005js-8Y for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 13:03:37 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A9E472DAB8B; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 09:03:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13511-10; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 09:03:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 547352DAC00; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 09:03:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 08 Apr 2006 09:02:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E06602DAB8B for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 09:02:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13344-04 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 09:02:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AD0752DAB71 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 09:02:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1FSD5W-0000d4-Bz for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 13:02:50 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 14:01:27 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: pdf, ovation, risc oss References: <7eIcLmAprRNEFw05@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4e140c658emailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 200 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >For quite some time I have been wondering why OP and ArtWorks do not >simply inject the setcmykcolour command into PostScript themselves, in >the same way as both apps print CMYK sprites by injecting PostScript Yes, that could be done. Through the time I was writing OP, Acorn regularly warned both myself=20 and ISVs in general that writing direct to the PS stream would get us=20 into trouble - new developments would break everything. When asked how we were supposed to do things which can only be done by=20 writing PS direct, there was no answer. I suppose if there had been any great motivation at the time, I would=20 have tried this approach. For example someone made a great fuss about=20 CMYK sprites and PS at one point, and they promptly got written direct=20 to PS. If you do write direct to the PS stream, you do need to be able to=20 predict what state it is in. ISTR writing the clipping area requires=20 redundant commands be issued just so that things are in a known state. --=20 David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR U= K fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Apr 8 17:42:15 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FSGO5-1n7000-08-AFm."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 17:42:15 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FSGO5-1n7000-08-AFm; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 16:34:13 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FSGO5-1n7000-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 16:34:13 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FSGO4-0003SN-Hy for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 16:34:12 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 120DE2DABC7; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 12:34:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10366-06; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 12:34:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A9E842DB23E; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 12:34:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 08 Apr 2006 12:33:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5B1032DABC7 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 12:33:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10168-01 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 12:33:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.freeserve.com (smtp1.wanadoo.co.uk [193.252.22.158]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 099402DA9C7 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 12:33:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3011.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 41C041C00084 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 18:33:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: from rpc (user-182.wfd82a.dsl.pol.co.uk [84.71.0.182]) by mwinf3011.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 0340F1C00083 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 18:33:25 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20060408163326134.0340F1C00083@mwinf3011.me.freeserve.com Subject: [softwarelist] Re: pdf, ovation, risc oss and money To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Alan Adams X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2006 17:32:36 +0100 Message-ID: <571e6f144e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> References: <7eIcLmAprRNEFw05@pilling.demon.co.uk> <+HdNd$A8oYNEFwFL@pilling.demon.co.uk> <$ZDt6UCGDmNEFwE7@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c61eb134e.alan@ntlworld.com> <1a803f144e.alan@ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: <1a803f144e.alan@ntlworld.com> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 201 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <1a803f144e.alan@ntlworld.com> Alan Leighton wrote: > In message <001d01c65a98$51bfa200$145ab4ca@XPHOMEPC> > "Dan McCarthy" wrote: >=20 >>>>=3D20 >>>>=3D20 >>>I may not be an entrepreneur but would readily donate =3DA360 >>=20 >>>--=3D20 >>>Alan Leighton (Rev Dr) >>>Priory Lodge >>>86b Church Lane, Eston, TS6 9QR >>=20 >> As an aside, it could avoid confusion if people used the word Pound on >> this list. On this system it appeared that Dr Leighton was offering to= pay >> three hundred and sixty Australian dollars >>=20 > I do not know that happened, I said 60 UK pounds. Where all this =3D20 > comes from I havent a clue. >=20 > Lets get that clear ;-) It's a problem we've seen before on this list. Briefly, your email is=20 send using an encoding format called printed-quotable, because it has=20 a pound sign which, being a top-bit-set character, isn't in the set of=20 characters allowed by email. (email uses the Telnet protocol as a=20 carrier, and Telnet uses the characters with Ascii codes less than 32=20 - the so-called control characters - to control its data flow. It is a=20 7-bit transport, so cannot carry top-bit-set characters. Mime=20 encoding, with various encoding systems, is the way round that.) The email you sent would have had an ideitifier line describing the=20 following part as quoted-printable, but the list processing system has=20 replaced it with a description saying text/plain, which is wrong. The=20 result is that we see the qupted-printable characters. =3D20 is the substitution for a space, normally only inserted where the=20 space is at the end of a line. The pound character is ASCII A3 (hex)=20 so is encoded as =3DA3. Alan --=20 Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Apr 8 18:22:16 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FSGyw-2ot000-02-9ev."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 18:22:16 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FSGyw-2ot000-02-9ev; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 17:12:18 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FSGyw-2ot000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 17:12:18 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FSGyw-0001Vu-Aw for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 17:12:18 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B87AA2D740D; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 13:12:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21143-05; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 13:12:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 633E42D7623; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 13:12:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 08 Apr 2006 13:11:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EC7A62D740D for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 13:11:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20869-09 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 13:11:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.188]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8ECDB2D7165 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 13:11:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [62.180.24.17] (helo=bach) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu7) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0ML2Dk-1FSGyA3drk-00039N; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 19:11:31 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: pdf, ovation, risc oss To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.11b10 Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2006 19:12:10 +0200 Message-ID: <76bd72144e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <7eIcLmAprRNEFw05@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4e140c658emailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.30b10 (MsgServe/3.11b1) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 202 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message David Pilling wrote: > If you do write direct to the PS stream, you do need to be able to > predict what state it is in. ISTR writing the clipping area requires > redundant commands be issued just so that things are in a known state. Yes. Most notably, anything that relies on the current transformation=20 matrix needs some special action because the PS driver retains the=20 transformation applied to the most recently rendered text line.=20 Rendering an empty path is enough to reset it. Apart from that, I=20 think the PS driver state is pretty predictable. Martin --=20 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Apr 8 18:42:17 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FSHKl-3Fe000-04-9J6."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 18:42:17 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FSHKl-3Fe000-04-9J6; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 17:34:51 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FSHKl-3Fe000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 17:34:51 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FSHKl-0003Sj-58 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 17:34:51 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A0AF32DAE23; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 13:34:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24384-04; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 13:34:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4853D2DAC2D; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 13:34:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 08 Apr 2006 13:34:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1B3342DAE23 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 13:34:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24057-10 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 13:34:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.49]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 96E412DAC35 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 13:34:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060408173405.YOG27969.mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 18:34:05 +0100 Received: from Iyonix.ntlworld.com ([82.1.169.76]) by aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060408173405.ANT16286.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@Iyonix.ntlworld.com> for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 18:34:05 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: pdf, ovation, risc oss and money To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Alan Leighton X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.28 Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2006 18:37:12 +0100 Message-ID: <680875144e.alan@ntlworld.com> References: <7eIcLmAprRNEFw05@pilling.demon.co.uk> <+HdNd$A8oYNEFwFL@pilling.demon.co.uk> <$ZDt6UCGDmNEFwE7@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c61eb134e.alan@ntlworld.com> <1a803f144e.alan@ntlworld.com> <571e6f144e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <571e6f144e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.08 (MsgServe/3.23) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 203 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan.leighton2@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <571e6f144e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> Alan Adams wrote: > In message <1a803f144e.alan@ntlworld.com> > Alan Leighton wrote: >=20 >> In message <001d01c65a98$51bfa200$145ab4ca@XPHOMEPC> >> "Dan McCarthy" wrote: >>=20 >>>>>=3D20 >>>>>=3D20 >>>>I may not be an entrepreneur but would readily donate =3DA360 >>>=20 >>>>--=3D20 >>>>Alan Leighton (Rev Dr) >>>>Priory Lodge >>>>86b Church Lane, Eston, TS6 9QR >>>=20 >>> As an aside, it could avoid confusion if people used the word Pound o= n >>> this list. On this system it appeared that Dr Leighton was offering t= o pay >>> three hundred and sixty Australian dollars >>>=20 >> I do not know that happened, I said 60 UK pounds. Where all this =3D20 >> comes from I havent a clue. >>=20 >> Lets get that clear ;-) >=20 > It's a problem we've seen before on this list. Briefly, your email is > send using an encoding format called printed-quotable, because it has > a pound sign which, being a top-bit-set character, isn't in the set of > characters allowed by email. (email uses the Telnet protocol as a > carrier, and Telnet uses the characters with Ascii codes less than 32 > - the so-called control characters - to control its data flow. It is a > 7-bit transport, so cannot carry top-bit-set characters. Mime > encoding, with various encoding systems, is the way round that.) >=20 > The email you sent would have had an ideitifier line describing the > following part as quoted-printable, but the list processing system has > replaced it with a description saying text/plain, which is wrong. The > result is that we see the qupted-printable characters. >=20 > =3D20 is the substitution for a space, normally only inserted where the > space is at the end of a line. The pound character is ASCII A3 (hex) > so is encoded as =3DA3. >=20 I have sent emails for ages and no one has ever said that. I asked a=20 few to receive emails from me with Pound signs. They all said it was=20 fine. Puzzled from Middlesbrough. Using Messenger 4.08. Mime option is ticked. Please put me right.... I think. --=20 Alan Leighton (Rev Dr) Priory Lodge 86b Church Lane, Eston, TS6 9QR From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Apr 8 18:42:17 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FSHQJ-3Nk000-08-9DY."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 18:42:17 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FSHQJ-3Nk000-08-9DY; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 17:40:35 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.104] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FSHQJ-3Nk000-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 17:40:35 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FSHQI-0003yU-Sp for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 17:40:35 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4AFAA2DA913; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 13:40:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25152-02; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 13:40:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EA6A82D7419; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 13:40:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 08 Apr 2006 13:39:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 51FD42DA913 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 13:39:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24993-04 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 13:39:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.6]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2087A2D762A for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 13:39:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [172.23.170.137] (helo=anti-virus01-08) by smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FSHPZ-0003qX-E2 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 18:39:49 +0100 Received: from [82.44.100.114] (helo=BRUCEA6) by asmtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FSHPY-0006le-ON for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 18:39:48 +0100 Message-ID: <02f201c65b33$8376f9b0$8100a8c0@BRUCEA6> From: "Bruce Goatly" To: References: <7eIcLmAprRNEFw05@pilling.demon.co.uk> <+HdNd$A8oYNEFwFL@pilling.demon.co.uk> <$ZDt6UCGDmNEFwE7@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c61eb134e.alan@ntlworld.com> <1a803f144e.alan@ntlworld.com> <571e6f144e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> <680875144e.alan@ntlworld.com> Subject: [softwarelist] Re: pdf, ovation, risc oss and money Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 18:40:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 204 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: bruce@goatly.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Alan Leighton wrote: > In message <571e6f144e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> > Alan Adams wrote: >> The email you sent would have had an ideitifier line describing the >> following part as quoted-printable, but the list processing system >> has replaced it with a description saying text/plain, which is >> wrong. The result is that we see the qupted-printable characters. >> >> =3D20 is the substitution for a space, normally only inserted where th= e >> space is at the end of a line. The pound character is ASCII A3 (hex) >> so is encoded as =3DA3. >> > I have sent emails for ages and no one has ever said that. I asked a > few to receive emails from me with Pound signs. They all said it was > fine. I think you overlooked a few important words. Here they are again: > the list processing system > has replaced it with a description saying text/plain, which is > wrong. The problem exists with this list, not (necessarily) with your mail=20 software. Bruce From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Apr 12 16:54:10 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FSPhG-0F9GPo-07-9T7."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 16:54:10 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FSPhG-0F9GPo-07-9T7; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 02:30:38 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FSPhG-0F9GPo-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 02:30:38 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FSPhG-0004m0-7l for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 02:30:38 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8FAE12DADBB; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 22:30:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30717-07-2; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 22:30:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6F5222DAE0C; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 22:30:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 08 Apr 2006 22:29:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 016FD2DACDE for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 22:29:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30399-04 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 22:29:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.inspire.net.nz (mail.inspire.net.nz [203.114.128.8]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 326152DAC7D for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 22:29:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (mail8-backnet [10.0.128.16]) by mail.inspire.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 834811A4E90 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 14:29:46 +1200 (NZST) Received: from mail.inspire.net.nz ([10.0.128.8]) by localhost (mail8.inspire.net.nz [10.0.128.16]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17439-11 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 14:29:43 +1200 (NZST) Received: from freja.khnet.nz (203-114-180-66.inspire.net.nz [203.114.180.66]) by mail.inspire.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33A581A4F3C for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 14:29:45 +1200 (NZST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Keith Hopper To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 14:29:46 +1200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: pdf, ovation, risc oss Message-ID: <4e14a5ca41kh@waikato.ac.nz> In-Reply-To: <4e13d2845dbarry@e-allen.me.uk> References: <7eIcLmAprRNEFw05@pilling.demon.co.uk> <+HdNd$A8oYNEFwFL@pilling.demon.co.uk> <3d3dd0134e.ralph_valmai@ntlworld.com> <4e13d0d5e0evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> <4e13d2845dbarry@e-allen.me.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) Content-type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at inspire.net.nz X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 205 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: kh@waikato.ac.nz Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4e13d2845dbarry@e-allen.me.uk>, Barry E Allen wrote: > In article <4e13d0d5e0evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk>, Evan Clark > wrote: > > In article <3d3dd0134e.ralph_valmai@ntlworld.com>, > > wrote: > > > There is certainly a need and there surely must be a demand. > > > Whether it is at a level which makes it viable financially I have > > > no idea. RISC OS Ltd or Castle ought to do it, but I doubt if it > > > will happen soon; it may not happen at all.=20 > > > I would be prepared to pay a good price. Your software has always > > > been low priced and exceedingly good value for money. I would be > > > prepared to pay more for a level 3 postscript driver than for > > > anything comparable you have produced in the past. > > > Go for it. :-) > > It seems to me to be a prime candidate for funding in a way similar > > to Martin Wuerthner's gimp-print project. I would be willing to > > pledge a similar amount towards such a scheme. > And so would I. Me too! Keith --=20 Sky Development From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Apr 12 16:54:10 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FSPlN-0JYGPo-08-9P0."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 16:54:10 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FSPlN-0JYGPo-08-9P0; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 02:34:53 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FSPlN-0JYGPo-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 02:34:53 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FSPlN-0002BX-0e for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 02:34:53 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 83D162DAE04; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 22:34:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31452-04; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 22:34:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6F8B22DAD4C; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 22:34:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 08 Apr 2006 22:34:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EC2432DADA1 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 22:34:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31182-09 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 22:34:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.inspire.net.nz (mail.inspire.net.nz [203.114.128.8]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9814D2D76E8 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 22:34:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (mail8-backnet [10.0.128.16]) by mail.inspire.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC2B41A4D6B for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 14:34:05 +1200 (NZST) Received: from mail.inspire.net.nz ([10.0.128.8]) by localhost (mail8.inspire.net.nz [10.0.128.16]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18327-10 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 14:34:02 +1200 (NZST) Received: from freja.khnet.nz (203-114-180-66.inspire.net.nz [203.114.180.66]) by mail.inspire.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3A181A4D3F for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 14:34:04 +1200 (NZST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Keith Hopper To: Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 14:34:05 +1200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: pdf, ovation, risc oss and money Message-ID: <4e14a62f9ckh@waikato.ac.nz> In-Reply-To: <001d01c65a98$51bfa200$145ab4ca@XPHOMEPC> References: <7eIcLmAprRNEFw05@pilling.demon.co.uk> <+HdNd$A8oYNEFwFL@pilling.demon.co.uk> <$ZDt6UCGDmNEFwE7@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c61eb134e.alan@ntlworld.com> <001d01c65a98$51bfa200$145ab4ca@XPHOMEPC> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) Content-type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at inspire.net.nz X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 206 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: kh@waikato.ac.nz Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <001d01c65a98$51bfa200$145ab4ca@XPHOMEPC>, Dan McCarthy wrote: [snip] > As an aside, it could avoid confusion if people used the word Pound on > this list. On this system it appeared that Dr Leighton was offering to = pay=20 > three hundred and sixty Australian dollars Well, I'd be happy at NZD200 (about 80 quid!) kh --=20 Sky Development From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Apr 12 16:54:18 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FSZeN-1DPVbs-01-GZ2."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 16:54:18 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FSZeN-1DPVbs-01-GZ2; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 13:08:19 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FSZeN-1DPVbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 13:08:19 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FSZeN-0000qe-3V for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 13:08:19 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 850B32D6542; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 09:08:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24117-08; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 09:08:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 344522D6AE1; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 09:08:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 09 Apr 2006 09:07:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7DCC62D6542 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 09:07:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23956-08 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 09:07:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.freeuk.net (relay.freeuk.net [212.126.144.54]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3E8DC2DAB17 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 09:07:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from du-002-0181.freeuk.com ([212.126.156.181] helo=helvellyn) by relay.freeuk.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FSZdb-000P9S-8Y for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 14:07:32 +0100 Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 13:48:42 +0100 From: Steve Fryatt To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: pdf, ovation, risc oss and money Message-ID: References: <7eIcLmAprRNEFw05@pilling.demon.co.uk> <+HdNd$A8oYNEFwFL@pilling.demon.co.uk> <$ZDt6UCGDmNEFwE7@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c61eb134e.alan@ntlworld.com> <1a803f144e.alan@ntlworld.com> <571e6f144e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> <680875144e.alan@ntlworld.com> <02f201c65b33$8376f9b0$8100a8c0@BRUCEA6> In-Reply-To: <02f201c65b33$8376f9b0$8100a8c0@BRUCEA6> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.08 (MsgServe/3.23) (RISC-OS/5.10) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 207 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: lists@stevefryatt.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 8 Apr, Bruce Goatly wrote in message <02f201c65b33$8376f9b0$8100a8c0@BRUCEA6>: > Alan Leighton wrote: >=20 > > I have sent emails for ages and no one has ever said that. I asked a > > few to receive emails from me with Pound signs. They all said it was > > fine. >=20 > I think you overlooked a few important words. Here they are again: >=20 > > the list processing system has replaced it with a description saying > > text/plain, which is wrong. >=20 > The problem exists with this list, not (necessarily) with your mail=20 > software. Sticking with the three-letter currency abbreviations on Usenet and mailing lists still has a lot going for it. "60 UKP" (or "60 GBP" more properly) can't fall foul of top-bit problems. :-) --=20 Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Apr 12 16:54:19 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FSdMP-2tYGPo-01-Cr0."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 16:54:19 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FSdMP-2tYGPo-01-Cr0; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 17:06:01 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FSdMP-2tYGPo-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 17:06:01 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FSdMP-0002Ft-DN for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 17:06:01 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E99FA2DB35A; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 13:06:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22309-07; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 13:06:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9B6892DB3C3; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 13:06:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 09 Apr 2006 13:05:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 354952DB35A for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 13:05:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22146-04 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 13:05:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.47]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B50BD2DB3C3 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 13:05:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060409170514.JJJJ29343.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 18:05:14 +0100 Received: from Iyonix.ntlworld.com ([82.18.66.34]) by aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060409170514.KKMW16286.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@Iyonix.ntlworld.com> for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 18:05:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Julia Cooke To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 18:05:26 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: pdf, ovation, risc oss Message-ID: <4e14f5f5d5julia.c@ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: <4e14a5ca41kh@waikato.ac.nz> References: <7eIcLmAprRNEFw05@pilling.demon.co.uk> <+HdNd$A8oYNEFwFL@pilling.demon.co.uk> <3d3dd0134e.ralph_valmai@ntlworld.com> <4e13d0d5e0evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> <4e13d2845dbarry@e-allen.me.uk> <4e14a5ca41kh@waikato.ac.nz> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03j (RISC-OS/5.11) Content-type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 208 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: julia.c@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4e14a5ca41kh@waikato.ac.nz>, Keith Hopper wrote: [...] > > In article <4e13d0d5e0evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk>, Evan Clark > > wrote: It seems to me to be a prime > > candidate for funding in a way similar to Martin Wuerthner's > > gimp-print project. I would be willing to pledge a similar amount > > towards such a scheme. [...] > Me too! Count me in (slightly belatedly - I wasn't sure whether to add to the thread or wait in the hope of a pledge scheme announcement!). Until a year or two ago I only used PostScript on RISC OS for occasional conversion of documents to PDF, but started using the drivers for printin= g when I got a networkable colour laser printer - I suspect I'm not alone i= n that. I'm certainly willing to pay for developments. Julia From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Apr 12 16:54:20 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FSdWW-0Fy000-08-Cgt."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 16:54:20 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FSdWW-0Fy000-08-Cgt; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 17:16:28 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FSdWW-0Fy000-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 17:16:28 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FSdWW-0004Gs-4z for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 17:16:28 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 88CBB2DAC71; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 13:16:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23919-10; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 13:16:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 189AD2DAC3E; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 13:16:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 09 Apr 2006 13:15:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 93A8A2DAD21 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 13:15:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23772-08 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 13:15:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [212.187.204.18]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 48A782DAC71 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 13:15:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Iyonix.pnyoung.ormail.co.uk (dsl213-218-227-228.as15444.net [213.218.227.228]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k39HFR4b025476 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 18:15:28 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: pdf, ovation, risc oss To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.28 Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 18:14:16 +0100 Message-ID: References: <7eIcLmAprRNEFw05@pilling.demon.co.uk> <+HdNd$A8oYNEFwFL@pilling.demon.co.uk> <3d3dd0134e.ralph_valmai@ntlworld.com> <4e13d0d5e0evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> <4e13d2845dbarry@e-allen.me.uk> <4e14a5ca41kh@waikato.ac.nz> <4e14f5f5d5julia.c@ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: <4e14f5f5d5julia.c@ntlworld.com> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.08 (MsgServe/3.23) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-orpheus-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-orpheus-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.065, required 5, autolearn=disabled, AWL 0.01, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.05) X-MailScanner-From: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 209 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pnyoung@ormail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 9 Apr 2006 Julia Cooke wrote: > In article <4e14a5ca41kh@waikato.ac.nz>, > Keith Hopper wrote: > [...] >> > In article <4e13d0d5e0evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk>, Evan Clark >> > wrote: It seems to me to be a prime >> > candidate for funding in a way similar to Martin Wuerthner's >> > gimp-print project. I would be willing to pledge a similar amount >> > towards such a scheme. > [...] >> Me too! >=20 > Count me in (slightly belatedly - I wasn't sure whether to add to the > thread or wait in the hope of a pledge scheme announcement!). If there's a pledge scheme announcement, I'll sign up too. > Until a year or two ago I only used PostScript on RISC OS for occasiona= l > conversion of documents to PDF, but started using the drivers for print= ing > when I got a networkable colour laser printer - I suspect I'm not alone= in > that. I'm certainly willing to pay for developments. With best wishes, Peter. --=20 Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 Anne \ / __ __ \ England. and / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk family / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \______________ pnyoung@ormail.co.uk. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Apr 12 16:54:30 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FSrRe-0nqknw-06-Fon."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 16:54:30 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FSrRe-0nqknw-06-Fon; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 08:08:22 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FSrRe-0nqknw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 08:08:22 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FSrRe-00036O-Fm for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 08:08:22 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D43A92DAA4E; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 04:08:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14212-05; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 04:08:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8637F2DAA39; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 04:08:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 04:07:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9334E2DAA4E for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 04:07:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13957-03 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 04:07:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 61C2F2DAA15 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 04:07:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nthomas2.demon.co.uk ([80.177.215.176] helo=THOMAS) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1FSrQu-0003Qg-KW for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 08:07:36 +0000 Message-ID: <000b01c65c75$ddc0b1c0$0300a8c0@THOMAS> From: "Norman Thomas" To: Subject: [softwarelist] Tool tips etc Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 09:07:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 210 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: norman@nthomas2.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01 version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Dear David Thanks. The tool tips are another good reason for using OvationPro. One o= f=20 many. Norman Norman Thomas St Albans=20 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Apr 12 16:54:30 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FSrtQ-2TDknw-01-FN1."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 16:54:30 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FSrtQ-2TDknw-01-FN1; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 08:37:04 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FSrtQ-2TDknw-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 08:37:04 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FSrtP-00049h-S5 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 08:37:04 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4222A2E1575; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 04:37:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17782-01; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 04:37:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E44692E156E; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 04:37:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 04:36:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6710C2E152A for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 04:36:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17368-09 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 04:36:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-node-q.griffin.com (smtp-node-q.griffin.com [83.148.189.24]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2FF7E2E14EF for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 04:36:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from IYONIX (83.148.169.98.adsl.griffin.net.uk [83.148.169.98]) by smtp-node-q.griffin.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51C4B10E9318 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 09:36:17 +0100 (BST) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: pdf, ovation, risc oss To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Ewen Pring X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.29b2 Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 09:37:04 +0100 Message-ID: References: <7eIcLmAprRNEFw05@pilling.demon.co.uk> <+HdNd$A8oYNEFwFL@pilling.demon.co.uk> <3d3dd0134e.ralph_valmai@ntlworld.com> <4e13d0d5e0evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> <4e13d2845dbarry@e-allen.me.uk> <4e14a5ca41kh@waikato.ac.nz> <4e14f5f5d5julia.c@ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: <4e14f5f5d5julia.c@ntlworld.com> X-Organization: None User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.08 (MsgServe/3.23) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 211 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: Ewen_Pring@timebus.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4e14f5f5d5julia.c@ntlworld.com> sent on 9 Apr Julia Cooke wrote: > In article <4e14a5ca41kh@waikato.ac.nz>, > Keith Hopper wrote: > [...] >> > In article <4e13d0d5e0evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk>, Evan Clark >> > wrote: It seems to me to be a prime >> > candidate for funding in a way similar to Martin Wuerthner's >> > gimp-print project. I would be willing to pledge a similar amount >> > towards such a scheme. > [...] >> Me too! >=20 > Count me in (slightly belatedly - I wasn't sure whether to add to the > thread or wait in the hope of a pledge scheme announcement!). I'll pay too. --=20 Ewen Pring, St. Albans, Herts using Iyonix, RISC OS 5 http://www.timebus.co.uk/riscos/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Apr 12 16:54:33 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FSvjs-1WKknw-06-BWZ."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 16:54:33 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FSvjs-1WKknw-06-BWZ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 12:43:28 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FSvjs-1WKknw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 12:43:28 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FSvjl-0003wB-Vv for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 12:43:28 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 001C52DAC37; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 08:40:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18832-04; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 08:40:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9EBE72DB7C3; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 08:40:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 08:39:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 81F572DAC37 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 08:39:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18287-09 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 08:39:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.7]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 322D92DB763 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 08:39:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [172.23.170.142] (helo=anti-virus02-09) by smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FSvg3-00029R-2M for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 13:39:31 +0100 Received: from [82.34.222.136] (helo=Iyonix) by asmtp-out1.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FSvg2-0000yB-3B for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 13:39:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John M Ward To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 13:41:39 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: pdf, ovation, risc oss Message-ID: <4e1561a57djohn@acornusers.org> In-Reply-To: References: <7eIcLmAprRNEFw05@pilling.demon.co.uk> <+HdNd$A8oYNEFwFL@pilling.demon.co.uk> <3d3dd0134e.ralph_valmai@ntlworld.com> <4e13d0d5e0evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> <4e13d2845dbarry@e-allen.me.uk> <4e14a5ca41kh@waikato.ac.nz> <4e14f5f5d5julia.c@ntlworld.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03j (RISC-OS/5.10) POPstar/2.05 Content-type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 212 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: john@acornusers.org Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , Ewen Pring wrote: > In message <4e14f5f5d5julia.c@ntlworld.com> sent on 9 Apr > Julia Cooke wrote: > > In article <4e14a5ca41kh@waikato.ac.nz>, > > Keith Hopper wrote: > > [...] > >> > In article <4e13d0d5e0evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk>, Evan Clark > >> > wrote: It seems to me to be a > >> > prime candidate for funding in a way similar to Martin > >> > Wuerthner's gimp-print project. I would be willing to pledge > >> > a similar amount towards such a scheme. > > [...] > >> Me too! > >=20 > > Count me in (slightly belatedly - I wasn't sure whether to add > > to the thread or wait in the hope of a pledge scheme > > announcement!). > I'll pay too. Oh, all right: so would I anyway. I was simply holding fire in the expectation that this would become (as others have surmised) a separate "pledge list" rather than a "me too" continuation of this thread. Whatever method works best for those concerned, I'm in. --=20 John Ward in Medway, Kent - using RISC OS since 1987 Now using an Iyonix, an A9home, 2 RiscPCs and Virtual-RPC! Acorn/RISC OS web page: www.john-ward.org.uk/personal/john/computers Read my "Councilling RISC OS" series in Qercus, from Issue 276 onward From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Apr 12 16:54:34 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FSvkT-12CVbs-05-BVy."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 16:54:34 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FSvkT-12CVbs-05-BVy; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 12:44:05 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FSvkT-12CVbs-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 12:44:05 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FSvhZ-0004LJ-31 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 12:44:05 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 001C52DAC37; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 08:40:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18832-04; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 08:40:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9EBE72DB7C3; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 08:40:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 08:39:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 81F572DAC37 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 08:39:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18287-09 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 08:39:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.7]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 322D92DB763 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 08:39:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [172.23.170.142] (helo=anti-virus02-09) by smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FSvg3-00029R-2M for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 13:39:31 +0100 Received: from [82.34.222.136] (helo=Iyonix) by asmtp-out1.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FSvg2-0000yB-3B for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 13:39:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John M Ward To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 13:41:39 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: pdf, ovation, risc oss Message-ID: <4e1561a57djohn@acornusers.org> In-Reply-To: References: <7eIcLmAprRNEFw05@pilling.demon.co.uk> <+HdNd$A8oYNEFwFL@pilling.demon.co.uk> <3d3dd0134e.ralph_valmai@ntlworld.com> <4e13d0d5e0evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> <4e13d2845dbarry@e-allen.me.uk> <4e14a5ca41kh@waikato.ac.nz> <4e14f5f5d5julia.c@ntlworld.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03j (RISC-OS/5.10) POPstar/2.05 Content-type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 212 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: john@acornusers.org Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , Ewen Pring wrote: > In message <4e14f5f5d5julia.c@ntlworld.com> sent on 9 Apr > Julia Cooke wrote: > > In article <4e14a5ca41kh@waikato.ac.nz>, > > Keith Hopper wrote: > > [...] > >> > In article <4e13d0d5e0evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk>, Evan Clark > >> > wrote: It seems to me to be a > >> > prime candidate for funding in a way similar to Martin > >> > Wuerthner's gimp-print project. I would be willing to pledge > >> > a similar amount towards such a scheme. > > [...] > >> Me too! > >=20 > > Count me in (slightly belatedly - I wasn't sure whether to add > > to the thread or wait in the hope of a pledge scheme > > announcement!). > I'll pay too. Oh, all right: so would I anyway. I was simply holding fire in the expectation that this would become (as others have surmised) a separate "pledge list" rather than a "me too" continuation of this thread. Whatever method works best for those concerned, I'm in. --=20 John Ward in Medway, Kent - using RISC OS since 1987 Now using an Iyonix, an A9home, 2 RiscPCs and Virtual-RPC! Acorn/RISC OS web page: www.john-ward.org.uk/personal/john/computers Read my "Councilling RISC OS" series in Qercus, from Issue 276 onward From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Apr 12 16:54:34 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FSvmJ-1fOknw-04-BU8."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 16:54:34 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FSvmJ-1fOknw-04-BU8; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 12:45:59 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FSvmJ-1fOknw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 12:45:59 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FSvm2-0003Nv-R6 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 12:45:56 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 04B832E15BC; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 08:44:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19527-04-2; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 08:44:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 20D382E17FA; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 08:44:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 08:43:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8F05A2E1507 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 08:43:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19445-10 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 08:43:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.188]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E65242DAEF5 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 08:42:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [62.180.24.87] (helo=bach) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu1) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKwpI-1FSviO2YpW-0002GE; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 14:41:57 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: pdf, ovation, risc oss To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.11b10 Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 14:29:03 +0200 Message-ID: <377e60154e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <7eIcLmAprRNEFw05@pilling.demon.co.uk> <+HdNd$A8oYNEFwFL@pilling.demon.co.uk> <$ZDt6UCGDmNEFwE7@pilling.demon.co.uk> <20ee05144e.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <20ee05144e.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.30b10 (MsgServe/3.11b1) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 213 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <20ee05144e.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> Steve Fryatt wrote: > On 7 Apr, Martin Wuerthner wrote in message > : >=20 >> Speaking of PDF generation: I have just ported GhostScript 8.50 to RI= SC >> OS, which improves PDF generation based on !ps2pdf or PrintPDF quite = a >> bit. For instance, in contrast to the current RISC OS port (version >> 7.03), GhostScript 8.50 no longer converts text in non-Publisher font= s >> (i.e., fonts without a Type-1 file, which appear as Type-3 fonts in t= he >> PostScript file) to bitmaps. >=20 > Thanks -- that's great news. The lack of a more up-to-date version of > GhostScript than 7.03 had stopped me implementing a number of requested > improvements to PrintPDF; hopefully this will no longer be an issue. I have uploaded a RISC OS port of GhostScript 8.50 to http://www.mw-software.com/software/ghostscript/gs850_100.zip It is a full replacement for the previous ports (version 7.03 and=20 earlier). The archive is not yet linked from the main GhostScript page=20 because this is not an official release yet, just a preview for those=20 who are interested. Comments are welcome (to me, not to this list). Martin --=20 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Apr 12 16:54:34 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FSwDq-3Miknw-07-B2b."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 16:54:34 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FSwDq-3Miknw-07-B2b; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 13:14:26 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.104] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FSwDq-3Miknw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 13:14:26 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FSwDp-0005Su-NP for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 13:14:26 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 22D5B2DA9EC; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 09:14:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24336-06; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 09:14:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9E7812DAE4A; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 09:14:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 09:13:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 437FD2DAB62 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 09:13:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24055-03 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 09:13:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.186]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9F0192DAAD4 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 09:13:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [62.180.24.87] (helo=bach) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu0) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKwh2-1FSwD21lip-0002y2; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 15:13:36 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: pdf, ovation, risc oss To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.11b10 Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 15:14:16 +0200 Message-ID: References: <7eIcLmAprRNEFw05@pilling.demon.co.uk> <+HdNd$A8oYNEFwFL@pilling.demon.co.uk> <$ZDt6UCGDmNEFwE7@pilling.demon.co.uk> <3VIvJaGqIrNEFw15@pilling.demon.co.uk> <5muclTIxkrNEFw2c@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <5muclTIxkrNEFw2c@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.30b10 (MsgServe/3.11b1) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 215 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <5muclTIxkrNEFw2c@pilling.demon.co.uk> David Pilling wrote: >>support than for Gimp-Print. It is clear that there is demand and we >>will be able to find out easily how much demand there is by following >>a similar scheme as for Gimp-Print. >=20 > So you're gonna do it? I might go for it provided that you really do not want to do it=20 yourself - after all you started this discussion. Was there anything=20 else you had in mind apart from improving the representation of=20 sprites? Martin --=20 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Apr 12 16:54:34 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FSwDq-3NBknw-03-B2b."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 16:54:34 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FSwDq-3NBknw-03-B2b; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 13:14:26 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FSwDq-3NBknw-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 13:14:26 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FSwDp-0007LW-Nx for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 13:14:26 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2CDDD2DAB9F; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 09:14:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24338-05; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 09:14:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9C9CA2D73F4; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 09:14:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 09:13:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D66242DAB4C for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 09:13:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23934-07 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 09:13:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.171]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 74E082DAA75 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 09:13:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [62.180.24.87] (helo=bach) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu0) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKwh2-1FSwD12aTG-0002y2; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 15:13:36 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: pdf, ovation, risc oss To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.11b10 Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 15:11:49 +0200 Message-ID: <766864154e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <7eIcLmAprRNEFw05@pilling.demon.co.uk> <+HdNd$A8oYNEFwFL@pilling.demon.co.uk> <3d3dd0134e.ralph_valmai@ntlworld.com> <4e13d0d5e0evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> <4e13d2845dbarry@e-allen.me.uk> <4e14a5ca41kh@waikato.ac.nz> <4e14f5f5d5julia.c@ntlworld.com> <4e1561a57djohn@acornusers.org> In-Reply-To: <4e1561a57djohn@acornusers.org> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.30b10 (MsgServe/3.11b1) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 214 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4e1561a57djohn@acornusers.org> John M Ward wrote: > In article , > Ewen Pring wrote: >> In message <4e14f5f5d5julia.c@ntlworld.com> sent on 9 Apr >> Julia Cooke wrote: >> > In article <4e14a5ca41kh@waikato.ac.nz>, >> > Keith Hopper wrote: >> > [...] >> >> > In article <4e13d0d5e0evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk>, Evan Clark >> >> > wrote: It seems to me to be a >> >> > prime candidate for funding in a way similar to Martin >> >> > Wuerthner's gimp-print project. I would be willing to pledge >> >> > a similar amount towards such a scheme. >> > [...] >> >> Me too! >> >=20 >> > Count me in (slightly belatedly - I wasn't sure whether to add >> > to the thread or wait in the hope of a pledge scheme >> > announcement!). >=20 >> I'll pay too. >=20 > Oh, all right: so would I anyway. I was simply holding fire in the > expectation that this would become (as others have surmised) a > separate "pledge list" rather than a "me too" continuation of this > thread. Yes, good point. I do not think it makes any sense to post more "me=20 too" messages to this list. It is clear that there is some interest=20 and to get meaningful answers an official request for pledges has to=20 be published via the usual channels. Martin --=20 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Apr 12 16:54:35 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FSwhX-0hDVbs-06-AYu."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 16:54:35 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FSwhX-0hDVbs-06-AYu; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 13:45:07 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FSwhX-0hDVbs-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 13:45:07 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FSwhW-0000KU-4h for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 13:45:07 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 755C02E10C7; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 09:45:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29512-05; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 09:45:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2A6AC2DB797; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 09:45:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 09:44:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id ADF482E10C7 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 09:44:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29319-04 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 09:44:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mta08-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.48]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 33FF82E10DC for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 09:44:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060410134417.WPWX29040.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 14:44:17 +0100 Received: from Office ([86.5.110.19]) by aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060410134417.UTJA24467.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@Office> for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 14:44:17 +0100 From: "Jeff Wallis" To: "'List PillingSoftware'" Subject: [softwarelist] SRWE Applet Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 14:43:50 +0100 Message-ID: <000001c65ca4$ce926390$6401a8c0@Office> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1250 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcZcpMIbJTotc15sTSyPgcJsxyaWGg== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 216 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: jeff.wallis@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_10,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Ovation Pro Windows 2.90 (29th March) There seems to be a problem with the SRWE Applet. To illustrate: Define a style called 'red' to change the colour of the target word - set its scope to 'word'. Select a target word and enter in the search box Enter the same target word in the replace box and set 'red' in the drop d= own menu check the 'whole word' box activate the search and replace process The result is the target word gets changed and so does the following word= . I tried the same process in RiscOS with varying results - none correct; = one very weird - the intial letter was removed from the target word, a line space inserted after the word and the following word changed to red. Jeff Wallis --=20 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.0/306 - Release Date: 09/04/2006 =20 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Apr 12 16:54:36 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FSxiV-0WYGPo-08-9Xw."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 16:54:36 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FSxiV-0WYGPo-08-9Xw; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 14:50:11 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FSxiV-0WYGPo-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 14:50:11 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FSxiV-0000QQ-9V for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 14:50:11 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AC04B2E145E; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 10:50:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13226-09; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 10:50:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5AED92E15BD; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 10:50:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 10:49:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7C4532E15AD for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 10:49:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13152-10 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 10:49:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp01.altohiway.com (smtp01.altohiway.com [195.12.4.238]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 28D9F2E15A5 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 10:49:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from websrv.quantel.com (quantel-gw.hiway.co.uk [195.12.20.34] (may be forged)) by smtp01.altohiway.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3AEnK4C026715 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 15:49:20 +0100 In-Reply-To: <000001c65ca4$ce926390$6401a8c0@Office> To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SRWE Applet MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 15:51:31 +0100 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 217 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: Andy.Ling@Quantel.Com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > Ovation Pro Windows 2.90 (29th March) >=20 > There seems to be a problem with the SRWE Applet. To illustrate: >=20 > Define a style called 'red' to change the colour of the target word -=20 set > its scope to 'word'. > Select a target word and enter in the search box > Enter the same target word in the replace box and set 'red' in the drop= =20 down > menu > check the 'whole word' box > activate the search and replace process >=20 Well the problem is to do with the way the new style is applied. What happens is the "found" word(s) is deleted, the style is then added and the new word(s) typed in. The adding of the style adds it to the word after the point where the new words are going to be put. Not exactly what is wanted. I have made a quick change that puts the first letter of the new words in, then moves the cursor back, adds the style, moves the cursor forward, then adds the rest of the words. This seems horrible, but I haven't got a better solution just now. Perhaps David or others could suggest a better way of doing this. Andy Ling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Apr 12 16:55:01 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FTNCc-20rknw-04-9dN."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 16:55:01 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FTNCc-20rknw-04-9dN; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 18:02:58 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FTNCc-20rknw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 18:02:58 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FTNCb-0006bT-OT for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 18:02:58 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2EEDE2E44B5; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 14:02:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03655-10; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 14:02:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C56732E455F; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 14:02:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 11 Apr 2006 14:02:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E5E062E4514 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 14:02:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03554-09 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 14:02:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [212.187.204.18]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4ADEB2E44E7 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 14:02:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from red-squirrel.com.orpheusnet.co.uk (du213-130-141-15.as15444.net [213.130.141.15]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3BI1Mdg026911 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 19:01:23 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: pdf, ovation, risc oss To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Roger Foden X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.28 Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 19:01:30 +0100 Message-ID: References: <7eIcLmAprRNEFw05@pilling.demon.co.uk> <+HdNd$A8oYNEFwFL@pilling.demon.co.uk> <$ZDt6UCGDmNEFwE7@pilling.demon.co.uk> <20ee05144e.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> <377e60154e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> In-Reply-To: <377e60154e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> X-Organization: The Hot Desk User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.08 (MsgServe/3.23) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain X-orpheus-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-orpheus-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.206, required 5, autolearn=disabled, AWL -0.09, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.05, MIME_MISSING_BOUNDARY 0.25) X-MailScanner-From: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 218 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: roger@red-squirrel.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi Martin, In message <377e60154e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> Martin Wuerthner wrote: [snip] >=20 > I have uploaded a RISC OS port of GhostScript 8.50 to > http://www.mw-software.com/software/ghostscript/gs850_100.zip >=20 > It is a full replacement for the previous ports (version 7.03 and > earlier). The archive is not yet linked from the main GhostScript page > because this is not an official release yet, just a preview for those > who are interested. Comments are welcome (to me, not to this list). > I've tried your port of GhostScript. I unzipped and used it in place of the existing 7.30 version I had=20 been using successfully with Acorn's PostScript Level 2 driver and=20 !Print2PDF to make PDF files. Unfortunately I found the newer version is not as successful: Attempting to convert a 13 page Impression document produced only the=20 PDF script preamble (70bytes). The document makes extensive use of the 'Wessex' and 'Revue' fonts,=20 which are converted to bitmap by the PS printer. It is printed at 50%=20 scale, giving 4 pages to an A4 page. (Award cards for our photgraphic=20 club.) Reducing the demand to just 1 page produced a .pdf file, but the=20 bitmap reproduction of the fonts was poor. An example of the 'Paladin' font (Palatino) was converted by GS 8.5 to=20 Homerton(Helvetica); to Trinity by GS 7.30 Returning to GS 7.30 the .pdf file gave (to my eyes) an excellent=20 representation of the Impression document. The GS 8.50 pdf file was 31K The GS 7.30 pdf file was 43K reflecting the drop in resolution with GS 8.50 I take the liberty of attaching the two pdf files. It's possibly something I'm doing wrong? Regards Roger --=20 roger@red-squirrel.com -- Binary/unsupported file stripped by Ecartis -- -- Type: application/pdf -- File: 730.pdf -- Binary/unsupported file stripped by Ecartis -- -- Type: application/pdf -- File: 850.pdf From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Apr 12 16:55:07 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FTQaC-0irGPo-02-EmJ."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 16:55:07 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FTQaC-0irGPo-02-EmJ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 21:39:32 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FTQaC-0irGPo-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 21:39:32 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FTQaB-0006Bx-ND for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 21:39:32 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3BD672E5ACB; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 17:39:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14007-02; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 17:39:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D9B062E4286; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 17:39:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 11 Apr 2006 17:38:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CC0942E5ACB for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 17:38:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13805-04 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 17:38:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 90A482E5938 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 17:38:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 212-229-247-138.rev.dcfb.demon.com ([212.229.247.138] helo=mypc2) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1FTQZM-000LFy-6r for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 21:38:40 +0000 Message-ID: <005c01c65db0$4ea2d7c0$8af7e5d4@mypc2> From: "David Pilling" To: References: <7eIcLmAprRNEFw05@pilling.demon.co.uk> <+HdNd$A8oYNEFwFL@pilling.demon.co.uk> <$ZDt6UCGDmNEFwE7@pilling.demon.co.uk> <3VIvJaGqIrNEFw15@pilling.demon.co.uk> <5muclTIxkrNEFw2c@pilling.demon.co.uk> Subject: [softwarelist] Re: pdf, ovation, risc oss Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 22:37:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.3790.1830 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.1830 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 219 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >I might go for it provided that you really do not want to do it >yourself - after all you started this discussion. Was there anything >else you had in mind apart from improving the representation of >sprites? Notice I said the project already had a PostScript expert/programmer (not me). All that is being looked for is someone to run the project. Getting sprites right is the place to start in my opinion. It is an area with a big gain for little effort. However there are lots of other things that could be done. For example allowing PPD (portable printer definition) files to be used. Or only=20 declaring the glyphs actually used in fonts. There are tons of ideas.=20 My opinion is that you'd have to draw a line or else the project would never be finished. If you want to pursue matters, talk to John Tytgat, and then subsequently ROSL. David Pilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Apr 12 16:55:07 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FTQvK-1NQGPo-06-ERB."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 16:55:07 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FTQvK-1NQGPo-06-ERB; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 22:01:22 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FTQvK-1NQGPo-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 22:01:22 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FTQvJ-0005LE-L0 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 22:01:21 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2A65F2E5C34; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 18:01:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18036-09; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 18:01:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D0F712E5C21; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 18:01:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 11 Apr 2006 18:00:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 471302E5C34 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 18:00:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17965-10 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 18:00:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from florence.spa.umn.edu (florence.spa.umn.edu [128.101.220.10]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 28CFC2E5C2E for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 18:00:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from peevish.spa.umn.edu ([128.101.220.230]) by florence.spa.umn.edu with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1FTQuZ-000LyC-Es for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 17:00:35 -0500 Received: from peevish.spa.umn.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by peevish.spa.umn.edu (8.13.1/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k3BM0ZAo018951 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 17:00:35 -0500 Received: (from allan@localhost) by peevish.spa.umn.edu (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id k3BM0ZGt018950 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 17:00:35 -0500 Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 17:00:35 -0500 From: Graham Allan To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: pdf, ovation, risc oss Message-ID: <20060411220034.GV14582@physics.umn.edu> References: <+HdNd$A8oYNEFwFL@pilling.demon.co.uk> <$ZDt6UCGDmNEFwE7@pilling.demon.co.uk> <3VIvJaGqIrNEFw15@pilling.demon.co.uk> <5muclTIxkrNEFw2c@pilling.demon.co.uk> <005c01c65db0$4ea2d7c0$8af7e5d4@mypc2> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <005c01c65db0$4ea2d7c0$8af7e5d4@mypc2> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 220 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: allan@physics.umn.edu Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-9.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT_MUTT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Tue, Apr 11, 2006 at 10:37:41PM +0100, David Pilling wrote: >=20 > Getting sprites right is the place to start in my opinion. It is an are= a > with a big gain for little effort. >=20 > However there are lots of other things that could be done. For example > allowing PPD (portable printer definition) files to be used. Or only=20 > declaring the glyphs actually used in fonts. There are tons of ideas.=20 > My opinion is that you'd have to draw a line or else the project would > never be finished. Being able to use standard PPD files sounds like quite a nice option. I suppose there is zero chance that ROSL would fund this as an addition to their OS (since in some ways it seems like this is where it should belong). G. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Apr 12 16:55:07 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FTRxV-0N4000-03-DP0."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 16:55:07 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FTRxV-0N4000-03-DP0; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 23:07:41 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FTRxV-0N4000-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 23:07:41 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FTRxV-00028J-Lf for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 23:07:41 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 29EE62E5A9C; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 19:07:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27947-03; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 19:07:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CB9112E5752; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 19:07:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 11 Apr 2006 19:06:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 78E8E2E5A9C for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 19:06:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27717-09 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 19:06:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ptb-relay01.plus.net (ptb-relay01.plus.net [212.159.14.212]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 488592E59D0 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 19:06:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [84.92.97.176] (helo=greatest) by ptb-relay01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1FTRwk-0008LF-EC for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 00:06:54 +0100 Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 00:05:00 +0100 From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: pdf, ovation, risc oss Message-ID: <338d1e164e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> References: <+HdNd$A8oYNEFwFL@pilling.demon.co.uk> <$ZDt6UCGDmNEFwE7@pilling.demon.co.uk> <3VIvJaGqIrNEFw15@pilling.demon.co.uk> <5muclTIxkrNEFw2c@pilling.demon.co.uk> <20060411220034.GV14582@physics.umn.edu> In-Reply-To: <20060411220034.GV14582@physics.umn.edu> X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.08 (MsgServe/3.23) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 221 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: tim@powys.org Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message of 11 Apr, Graham Allan wrote: =20 > I suppose there is zero chance that ROSL would fund this as an > addition to their OS (since in some ways it seems like this is where > it should belong). Presumably they have the same problem: where do they get the funds from? Or, is there anything they can drop that is less remunerative. --=20 Tim Powys-Lybbe=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0tim@pow= ys.org =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0For a miscellany of bygones: http:= //powys.org From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Apr 12 16:55:12 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FTbKZ-0kw000-08-CYS."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 16:55:12 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FTbKZ-0kw000-08-CYS; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:08:07 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FTbKZ-0kw000-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:08:07 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FTbKY-0004XV-Sn for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:08:07 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9D4D12E5F52; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 05:08:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07510-08; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 05:08:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3B6502E53EC; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 05:08:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 05:07:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 014DA2E5F52 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 05:07:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07310-02 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 05:07:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.183]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9D5FA2E5F7D for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 05:07:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [62.180.24.83] (helo=bach) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu7) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0ML2Dk-1FTbJn1td8-00035y; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 11:07:20 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: pdf, ovation, risc oss To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.11b10 Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:47:50 +0200 Message-ID: <27e953164e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <7eIcLmAprRNEFw05@pilling.demon.co.uk> <+HdNd$A8oYNEFwFL@pilling.demon.co.uk> <$ZDt6UCGDmNEFwE7@pilling.demon.co.uk> <3VIvJaGqIrNEFw15@pilling.demon.co.uk> <5muclTIxkrNEFw2c@pilling.demon.co.uk> <005c01c65db0$4ea2d7c0$8af7e5d4@mypc2> In-Reply-To: <005c01c65db0$4ea2d7c0$8af7e5d4@mypc2> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.30b10 (MsgServe/3.11b1) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 222 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <005c01c65db0$4ea2d7c0$8af7e5d4@mypc2> "David Pilling" wrote: >>I might go for it provided that you really do not want to do it >>yourself - after all you started this discussion. Was there anything >>else you had in mind apart from improving the representation of >>sprites? >=20 > Notice I said the project already had a PostScript expert/programmer (n= ot > me). All that is being looked for is someone to run the project. Oh, so no programming for me then? ;-( On the other hand, I am=20 exceptionally busy at the moment, so this might be a good thing. John is just the right person for the task. > Getting sprites right is the place to start in my opinion. It is an are= a > with a big gain for little effort. Yes, absolutely. > However there are lots of other things that could be done. For example > allowing PPD (portable printer definition) files to be used. Ah yes, I remember that John has always wanted to do that. > Or only declaring the glyphs actually used in fonts. Good point - should be very easy to add, too. > There are tons of ideas. > My opinion is that you'd have to draw a line or else the project would > never be finished. It would not really have to finished. We would just have to make clear=20 to contributors what we guarantee to deliver and what might be done on=20 top of that. A lot of people would already be happy with improved=20 sprite rendering. > If you want to pursue matters, talk to John Tytgat, and then > subsequently ROSL. OK, I will have a word with John. Interestingly, John has asked me in=20 2003 whether I would be interested in doing precisely this project.=20 Unfortunately, I did not persue it then and I somehow forgot about it=20 later. As I mentioned earlier I do have the source code from ROSL=20 already (but I will check the conditions with them anyway), so it=20 almost looks like everything is ready to go... Martin --=20 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Apr 12 16:55:13 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FTbKa-0kz000-04-CYR."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 16:55:13 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FTbKa-0kz000-04-CYR; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:08:08 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FTbKa-0kz000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:08:08 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FTbKZ-0004YE-UH for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:08:08 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2491F2E5B08; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 05:08:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07514-03; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 05:08:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 721172E629B; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 05:08:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 05:07:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 26B8F2E5F9E for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 05:07:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07292-06-2 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 05:07:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.183]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5FE5F2E559A for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 05:07:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [62.180.24.83] (helo=bach) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu7) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0ML2Dk-1FTbJo0c8f-00035y; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 11:07:20 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: pdf, ovation, risc oss To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.11b10 Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 11:07:39 +0200 Message-ID: References: <7eIcLmAprRNEFw05@pilling.demon.co.uk> <+HdNd$A8oYNEFwFL@pilling.demon.co.uk> <$ZDt6UCGDmNEFwE7@pilling.demon.co.uk> <20ee05144e.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> <377e60154e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.30b10 (MsgServe/3.11b1) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 223 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,HTML_00_10,HTML_MESSAGE,IN_REP_TO, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message Roger Foden wrote: > In message <377e60154e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> > Martin Wuerthner wrote: > >> I have uploaded a RISC OS port of GhostScript 8.50 to >> http://www.mw-software.com/software/ghostscript/gs850_100.zip >>=20 >> It is a full replacement for the previous ports (version 7.03 and >> earlier). The archive is not yet linked from the main GhostScript page >> because this is not an official release yet, just a preview for those >> who are interested. Comments are welcome (to me, not to this list). I knew the request not to discuss it on the list would not work. ;-)=20 As long as we discuss PDF generation from OP documents, it might be=20 relevant for this list though. For all other matters I suggest using=20 the GhostScript mailing list (send an e-mail to=20 ghostscript-subscribe@acornusers.org to join). > I've tried your port of GhostScript. > > Attempting to convert a 13 page Impression document produced only the > PDF script preamble (70bytes). And you did not see any error messages? Try it in a TaskWindow which=20 would allow you to see error messages from GhostScript. Simply type=20 *psp2df > The document makes extensive use of the 'Wessex' and 'Revue' fonts, > which are converted to bitmap by the PS printer. "by the PS printer"? You mean by the RISC OS PostScript printer=20 driver? No, the driver does not do that. Never. > It is printed at 50% scale, giving 4 pages to an A4 page. (Award cards > for our photgraphic club.) >=20 > Reducing the demand to just 1 page produced a .pdf file, but the > bitmap reproduction of the fonts was poor. This is very unusual because only GhostScript 7.03 converts text to=20 bitmaps. One of the big advantages of the 8.50 port is that it does=20 not do that. > An example of the 'Paladin' font (Palatino) was converted by GS 8.5 to > Homerton(Helvetica); to Trinity by GS 7.30 Again, this is very unusual. I think this can only happen if something=20 is not set up correctly. There are three things that can happen to a=20 font during PS printing: 1) if it has a Type-1 file, the Type-1 file is included 2) if you have configured it to be mapped to a PostScript name, this name is used and nothing is included 3) else a Type-3 font is generated Font substitution in GhostScript can only happen in case 1) above if=20 the Type-1 file is invalid or in case 2) above if you have specified=20 an incorrect mapping or, again, in case 2) if your copy of GhostScript=20 has not been set up correctly. > Returning to GS 7.30 the .pdf file gave (to my eyes) an excellent > representation of the Impression document. >=20 > The GS 8.50 pdf file was 31K > The GS 7.30 pdf file was 43K > reflecting the drop in resolution with GS 8.50 >=20 > I take the liberty of attaching the two pdf files. The list does not allow any attachments and the PostScript file is=20 more important anyway. Please send the PS file and the PDF files to me=20 directly. Martin --=20 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Apr 13 02:24:32 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FTqYK-0xkGPo-07-ENj."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 02:24:32 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FTqYK-0xkGPo-07-ENj; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 01:23:20 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FTqYK-0xkGPo-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 01:23:20 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FTqYK-0002fR-56 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 01:23:20 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9837F2E4BD6; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 21:23:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21064-01; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 21:23:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2B63D2E6A86; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 17:59:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 17:58:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1DBD22E364D for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 17:58:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24388-01-6 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 17:58:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C22D82E6AD9 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:57:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1FTkX4-000IAp-L8 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 18:57:38 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 19:56:27 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: pdf, ovation, risc oss References: <+HdNd$A8oYNEFwFL@pilling.demon.co.uk> <$ZDt6UCGDmNEFwE7@pilling.demon.co.uk> <3VIvJaGqIrNEFw15@pilling.demon.co.uk> <5muclTIxkrNEFw2c@pilling.demon.co.uk> <005c01c65db0$4ea2d7c0$8af7e5d4@mypc2> <20060411220034.GV14582@physics.umn.edu> In-Reply-To: <20060411220034.GV14582@physics.umn.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 224 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Being able to use standard PPD files sounds like quite a nice option. Yes because it is a way that RISC OS could correctly support lots of=20 printers - granted all PostScript variants. >I suppose there is zero chance that ROSL would fund this as an addition >to their OS (since in some ways it seems like this is where it should >belong). Yes ideally ROSL should do the work or Castle. Discussions with ROSL=20 indicate they won't do the work - however they are happy for a third=20 party to do it. I think my last word on this project, is ensure that the thing also=20 works on the Castle machine. It should be possible to play off Castle=20 against ROSL to get the best source code ;-) --=20 David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR U= K fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Apr 13 14:03:34 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FU17x-0qjVbs-08-CKc."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 14:03:34 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FU17x-0qjVbs-08-CKc; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:40:49 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FU17x-0qjVbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:40:49 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FU17n-0003Tp-TL for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:40:49 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 50AA72E797E; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 07:53:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25644-01-10; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 07:53:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 30EEA2E97BE; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 07:34:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 07:33:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EDA1A2E6EE0 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 07:33:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14020-01-8 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 07:33:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A98D32E7437 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 05:01:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tenmagpies.demon.co.uk ([80.177.3.119] helo=iyonix.tenmagpies.demon.co.uk) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1FTxhX-00073Z-GG for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 09:01:31 +0000 Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:03:00 +0100 From: David W Mills To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: pdf, ovation, risc oss Message-ID: References: <+HdNd$A8oYNEFwFL@pilling.demon.co.uk> <$ZDt6UCGDmNEFwE7@pilling.demon.co.uk> <3VIvJaGqIrNEFw15@pilling.demon.co.uk> <5muclTIxkrNEFw2c@pilling.demon.co.uk> <20060411220034.GV14582@physics.umn.edu> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: tenmagpies User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 225 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message David Pilling wrote: [snip] >=20 > I think my last word on this project, is ensure that the thing also=20 > works on the Castle machine. It should be possible to play off Castle=20 > against ROSL to get the best source code >=20 > ;-) [snip] One had assumed that the intention was to make the whole project fully compatible...... David M From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Apr 13 15:03:21 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FU2GM-17LGPo-04-BCD."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:03:21 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FU2GM-17LGPo-04-BCD; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 13:53:34 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.104] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FU2GM-17LGPo-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 13:53:34 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FU2G9-000113-Te for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 13:53:34 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1EB0F2E9CEC; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 09:06:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13348-06; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 09:06:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6FDFF2E876D; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 09:06:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 09:05:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EC7612E9BB8 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 09:05:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13174-05 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 09:05:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.188]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D82AA2E9B51 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 09:05:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [62.180.24.177] (helo=bach) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu6) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0ML29c-1FU1Vo39YW-0007Jr; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:05:30 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: pdf, ovation, risc oss To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.11b10 Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:06:08 +0200 Message-ID: <3f65ef164e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <+HdNd$A8oYNEFwFL@pilling.demon.co.uk> <$ZDt6UCGDmNEFwE7@pilling.demon.co.uk> <3VIvJaGqIrNEFw15@pilling.demon.co.uk> <5muclTIxkrNEFw2c@pilling.demon.co.uk> <20060411220034.GV14582@physics.umn.edu> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.30b10 (MsgServe/3.11b1) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 226 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message David W Mills wrote: > In message > David Pilling wrote: > [snip] >>=20 >> I think my last word on this project, is ensure that the thing also >> works on the Castle machine. It should be possible to play off Castle >> against ROSL to get the best source code >>=20 >> ;-) > [snip] >=20 > One had assumed that the intention was to make the whole project fully > compatible...... I have no idea what you mean by "fully compatible", but if you mean=20 that the new driver should run on all RISC OS platforms, then yes, of=20 course, that should be one of the goals of the project. Fortunately,=20 that is not difficult to achieve. Martin --=20 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Apr 13 15:43:23 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FU328-2RBknw-01-AQR."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:43:23 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FU328-2RBknw-01-AQR; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 14:42:56 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FU328-2RBknw-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 14:42:56 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FU31z-0004rc-2x for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 14:42:56 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AA5782EA6BB; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:38:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32491-01-5; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:38:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4BD772EA6BD; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:38:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:37:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 981112E8C08 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:37:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32075-02-3 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:37:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 350552EA621 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:37:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tenmagpies.demon.co.uk ([80.177.3.119] helo=iyonix.tenmagpies.demon.co.uk) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1FU2wF-0005OY-GH for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 14:37:00 +0000 Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:38:27 +0100 From: David W Mills To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: pdf, ovation, risc oss Message-ID: References: <+HdNd$A8oYNEFwFL@pilling.demon.co.uk> <$ZDt6UCGDmNEFwE7@pilling.demon.co.uk> <3VIvJaGqIrNEFw15@pilling.demon.co.uk> <5muclTIxkrNEFw2c@pilling.demon.co.uk> <20060411220034.GV14582@physics.umn.edu> <3f65ef164e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> In-Reply-To: <3f65ef164e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> X-Organization: tenmagpies User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 227 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <3f65ef164e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> Martin Wuerthner wrote: > In message [snip] > > [snip] > >=20 > > One had assumed that the intention was to make the whole project full= y > > compatible...... >=20 > I have no idea what you mean by "fully compatible", but if you mean=20 > that the new driver should run on all RISC OS platforms, then yes, of=20 > course, Presactly what I meant.... I had an attack of doubt with David's last wor= d David [snip] From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Apr 13 23:23:46 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FUAAA-1zFknw-02-Bov."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 23:23:46 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FUAAA-1zFknw-02-Bov; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 22:19:42 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FUAAA-1zFknw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 22:19:42 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FUAA9-0001jE-VO for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 22:19:42 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 633BC2EC180; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 18:19:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24775-01; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 18:19:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6ED9A2EBF6D; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 18:19:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 18:18:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5D3462EC184 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 18:18:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24416-04 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 18:18:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 23B892EC179 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 18:18:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1FUA9J-000KNC-0V for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 22:18:49 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 23:17:45 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: pdf, ovation, risc oss References: <+HdNd$A8oYNEFwFL@pilling.demon.co.uk> <$ZDt6UCGDmNEFwE7@pilling.demon.co.uk> <3VIvJaGqIrNEFw15@pilling.demon.co.uk> <5muclTIxkrNEFw2c@pilling.demon.co.uk> <20060411220034.GV14582@physics.umn.edu> <3f65ef164e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 228 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Presactly what I meant.... I had an attack of doubt with David's last wo= rd ROSL and Castle do seem to be competing - all those comp.sys.acorn=20 postings about "would I swop Select for Iyonix". I guess one or the other of them would be happy to be the only one with=20 a level 3 driver. I've no idea, but it seems plausible that they have different source=20 code for their current printer drivers. I am in favour of one version of RISC OS, because I do not like=20 producing a new version of all my software for the 10 people using=20 variant n of RISC OS. More about that soon 8-) --=20 David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR U= K fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Apr 25 16:39:41 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FWMAU-4YiVbs-06-CCr."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 16:39:41 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FWMAU-4YiVbs-06-CCr; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 23:33:06 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.104] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FWMAU-4YiVbs-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 23:33:06 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FWMAU-0002Jo-DF for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 23:33:06 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 020E32EEF1E; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 19:33:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23457-06; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 19:33:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A990D2EEE7E; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 19:33:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 19 Apr 2006 19:32:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9A9402EEF1E for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 19:32:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23369-05 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 19:32:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.freeserve.com (smtp1.wanadoo.co.uk [193.252.22.158]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 67D582EECAC for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 19:32:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3001.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 0C8991C000E6 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 01:32:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: from riscpc.birches75.freeserve.co.uk (user-4382.l6.c1.dsl.pol.co.uk [84.66.49.30]) by mwinf3001.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id CBCC11C000E4 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 01:32:19 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20060419233219834.CBCC11C000E4@mwinf3001.me.freeserve.com MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Colin Wood To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 00:27:56 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Postscript printing Message-ID: <4e1a3f5674Colin@meldr.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 229 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: Colin@meldr.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Any advice as how best to print using Postscript? I haven't done this since around 1993, when iirc I printed to file using a Postscript driver, saved it to a pc disc and took it into work to print on an Apple.=20 There are 4 different Postscript definition files in my Printers directory. Any idea of what does what, or how I'd find out?=20 I'd like to make a ps file of say an OvPro document, take it to my pc via my network and print it out there on my Dell laser. This supports PCL5e PCL6 and PostScript Level 3.=20 (I have UniPrint but it doesn't work atm because of network problems). Regards to all, --=20 _______________________ __ / / _ |. _ \ /_ _ _| / =20 \__(_)||| ) \/\/(_)(_)(_| / StrongArm RiscPC _______________________________/ RISC OS 4.39 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Apr 25 16:39:42 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FWUgH-0w4000-03-CDa."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 16:39:42 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FWUgH-0w4000-03-CDa; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 08:38:29 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FWUgH-0w4000-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 08:38:29 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FWUgH-0004ue-9S for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 08:38:29 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BDBAA2F01AB; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 04:38:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19734-09; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 04:38:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 69C732F0197; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 04:38:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 20 Apr 2006 04:37:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 14E3E2F01AB for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 04:37:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19527-05 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 04:37:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.177]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AF06F2F0195 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 04:37:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [62.180.24.64] (helo=bach) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu7) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0ML2Dk-1FWUfW1jX5-00032p; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 10:37:43 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Postscript printing To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.11b10 Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 10:38:20 +0200 Message-ID: <84ba711a4e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <4e1a3f5674Colin@meldr.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4e1a3f5674Colin@meldr.co.uk> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.30b10 (MsgServe/3.11b1) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 230 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4e1a3f5674Colin@meldr.co.uk> Colin Wood wrote: > Any advice as how best to print using Postscript? I haven't done > this since around 1993, when iirc I printed to file using a > Postscript driver, saved it to a pc disc and took it into work to > print on an Apple. >=20 > There are 4 different Postscript definition files in my Printers > directory. Any idea of what does what, or how I'd find out? Simply use PoScript2 and forget about the others. The "F" variants offer a "fast parallel port" option, which is rarely=20 useful and would not make any difference if you print to file anyway. PoScript2 means PostScript level 2, which produces far better output=20 than level 1, so unless you really need level 1 output (and you don't=20 because your printer does level 3), there is no need to look at the=20 level 1 "PoScript" definition file. Martin --=20 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Apr 25 16:39:43 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FWVnN-1UKknw-03-B6U."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 16:39:43 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FWVnN-1UKknw-03-B6U; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 09:49:53 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FWVnN-1UKknw-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 09:49:53 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FWVnM-00002Y-Th for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 09:49:53 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 621582EF044; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 05:49:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01737-02; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 05:49:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0BFC42EF052; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 05:49:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 20 Apr 2006 05:49:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 040672EF044 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 05:49:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01596-08 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 05:49:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sutra.omninet.net.au (smtp.omninet.net.au [202.38.162.13]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1117C2EF62E for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 05:49:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by sutra.omninet.net.au (8.10.1/8.10.1) id k3KA6BY28207 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 18:06:11 +0800 Received: from denmarkwa.com.au (203-129-157-48.rev.dft.net.au [203.129.157.48] (may be forged)) by sutra.omninet.net.au (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id k3KA68328201 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 18:06:09 +0800 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Postscript printing To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Ross McGuinness X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.28 Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 17:50:13 +0900 Message-ID: <1ad1721a4e.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au> References: <4e1a3f5674Colin@meldr.co.uk> <84ba711a4e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> In-Reply-To: <84ba711a4e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> X-Organization: Cinnamon Coloureds Farmstay User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.08 (MsgServe/3.23) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.04-pre2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 231 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: farmstay@denmarkwa.com.au Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <84ba711a4e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> Martin Wuerthner wrote: > In message <4e1a3f5674Colin@meldr.co.uk> > Colin Wood wrote: SNIP > Simply use PoScript2 and forget about the others. >=20 > The "F" variants offer a "fast parallel port" option, which is rarely > useful and would not make any difference if you print to file anyway. >=20 SNIP Use PoScript2 in conjunction with !Ghostscript and !PrintPDF to=20 eliminate the save to file bit and get a PDF file ready to send or=20 take elsewhere. --=20 Ross and Bev McGuinness, Cinnamon Coloureds Farmstay, RMB 1017 DENMARK WA 6333 Tel: +61 8 9848 1781 Fax: +61 8 9848 1231 Web:=20 http://www.denmarkwa.com.au/cc/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Apr 25 16:39:43 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FWa3Y-087Vbs-07-FMp."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; 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charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 232 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: akalat@kbnet.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) If I have an Ovation Pro document with colour JPEGs embedded. I am then outputting to PostScript (PostScript 2 driver) with the colour option not enabled. The PostScript file is then distilled on a Mac and viewed in Acrobat. I would expect, with sprites for example, for all colour images = to appear in monochrome, but in a recent example with embedded colour (RGB) JPEG images some appear to have been converted to monochrome, while some remained in colour. Can anyone tell me what happens to embedded colour JPEG images when outputting what should be a monochrome PostScript file? Mike Williams From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Apr 25 16:39:44 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FWbzm-1SFknw-05-DQb."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 16:39:44 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FWbzm-1SFknw-05-DQb; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 16:27:06 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FWbzm-1SFknw-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 16:27:06 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FWbzl-0001UU-9J for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 16:27:06 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 13B532F0370; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 12:27:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20185-10; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 12:27:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AF3E92F0062; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 12:27:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 20 Apr 2006 12:26:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F11052F01E9 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 12:26:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20046-04 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 12:26:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.aaisp.net.uk (B.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.81.52]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8E1382EFE1D for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 12:26:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 47.82.2.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.2.82.47] helo=Art) by smtp.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FWbyz-0004os-S8 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 17:26:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Gavin Crawford To: Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 17:25:51 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: JPEGs files in PostScript Message-ID: <4e1a9c882dgav@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4e1a3f5674Colin@meldr.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.05 Content-type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 233 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: gav@crawford-print.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , Mike Williams wrote: > If I have an Ovation Pro document with colour JPEGs embedded. I am then > outputting to PostScript (PostScript 2 driver) with the colour option > not enabled. The PostScript file is then distilled on a Mac and viewed > in Acrobat. I would expect, with sprites for example, for all colour > images to appear in monochrome, but in a recent example with embedded > colour (RGB) JPEG images some appear to have been converted to > monochrome, while some remained in colour. > Can anyone tell me what happens to embedded colour JPEG images when > outputting what should be a monochrome PostScript file? When printing to PostScript with the colour option off, RGB sprites will be converted to 8bit greyscale and hence suffer from being chopped into many smaller bitmap images (as is usual with the PostScript driver). JPEGs on the other hand don't, and will appear in full colour in the resulting PostScript output. If you find that some of your JPEGs are being converted to greyscale images it is because OPro is sending them as sprites to the print stream. Most likely, this is because you have some 'image processing' applied to the JPEG in OPro, which then has to deal with it as a sprite, so will print it as a sprite. There is a small problem with OPro in that once image processing has been applied to a picture it cannot be removed, even if the Default button is clicked. It is the picture fame that retains the processing settings, so even if you drop a completely different picture into the frame OPro still handles the picture as if it's a sprite. The only way to remove the 'processing' effect in the frame is to 1. delete the picture from the fame, 2. type some text to convert it to a text frame, 3. delete the text, 4. and drag the picture back into the frame. Then OPro will forget the processing state of the frame and JPEGs will once again be handled as JPEGs when printed to PostScript. If you want the images to be monochrome in the final output, then it's best to keep them as JPEGs but first convert them to greyscale images in a bitmap editor such as DPScan / PhotoDesk / Photoshop etc. --=20 Gavin Crawford email: gav@crawford-print.co.uk web: www.crawford-print.co.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Apr 25 16:39:44 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FWcEV-2z5000-03-DBs."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 16:39:44 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FWcEV-2z5000-03-DBs; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 16:42:19 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FWcEV-2z5000-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 16:42:19 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FWcEQ-00062O-Sp for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 16:42:19 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 39E0D2F0616; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 12:42:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23327-03; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 12:42:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DA8422F0663; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 12:42:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 20 Apr 2006 12:41:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BD7672F0616 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 12:41:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23077-10 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 12:41:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from snowstorm.hosts.ndo.com (snowstorm.hosts.ndo.com [195.7.228.20]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5202D2F0571 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 12:41:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 74.250-7-195.ippool.ndo.com ([195.7.250.74] helo=[192.168.2.2]) by snowstorm.hosts.ndo.com with esmtp (NDO SMTP Pool (Abuse to: abuse@ndo.com)) id 1FWcDd-0008W5-00 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 17:41:25 +0100 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 17:41:24 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: JPEGs files in PostScript From: Mike Williams To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4e1a9c882dgav@crawford-print.co.uk> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 234 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: akalat@kbnet.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 20/4/06 5:25 pm, "Gavin Crawford" wrote: > In article , > Mike Williams wrote: >> If I have an Ovation Pro document with colour JPEGs embedded. I am the= n >> outputting to PostScript (PostScript 2 driver) with the colour option >> not enabled. The PostScript file is then distilled on a Mac and viewed >> in Acrobat. I would expect, with sprites for example, for all colour >> images to appear in monochrome, but in a recent example with embedded >> colour (RGB) JPEG images some appear to have been converted to >> monochrome, while some remained in colour. >=20 >> Can anyone tell me what happens to embedded colour JPEG images when >> outputting what should be a monochrome PostScript file? >=20 > When printing to PostScript with the colour option off, RGB sprites wil= l > be converted to 8bit greyscale and hence suffer from being chopped into > many smaller bitmap images (as is usual with the PostScript driver). >=20 > JPEGs on the other hand don't, and will appear in full colour in the > resulting PostScript output. >=20 > If you find that some of your JPEGs are being converted to greyscale > images it is because OPro is sending them as sprites to the print > stream. Most likely, this is because you have some 'image processing' > applied to the JPEG in OPro, which then has to deal with it as a sprite= , > so will print it as a sprite. >=20 > There is a small problem with OPro in that once image processing has > been applied to a picture it cannot be removed, even if the Default > button is clicked. It is the picture fame that retains the processing > settings, so even if you drop a completely different picture into the > frame OPro still handles the picture as if it's a sprite. >=20 > The only way to remove the 'processing' effect in the frame is to > 1. delete the picture from the fame, > 2. type some text to convert it to a text frame, > 3. delete the text, > 4. and drag the picture back into the frame. > Then OPro will forget the processing state of the frame and JPEGs will > once again be handled as JPEGs when printed to PostScript. >=20 > If you want the images to be monochrome in the final output, then it's > best to keep them as JPEGs but first convert them to greyscale images i= n > a bitmap editor such as DPScan / PhotoDesk / Photoshop etc. Thanks - that helps to explain what is happening. I agree it is better to start with greyscale images but was trying to avoid any further degradati= on of images by taking a JPEG, processing, and then resaving as a JPEG, but JPEG format certainly avoids the problems you get quite often when sendin= g monochrome sprites to a PostScript file. Mike Williams From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Apr 25 16:39:44 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FWcGP-36B000-08-D9y."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 16:39:44 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FWcGP-36B000-08-D9y; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 16:44:17 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FWcGP-36B000-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 16:44:17 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FWcGO-0003K1-Mv for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 16:44:17 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 504ED2F068F; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 12:44:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23755-04; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 12:44:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E34A22F0689; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 12:44:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 20 Apr 2006 12:43:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1B9AE2F06F6 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 12:43:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23537-02-6 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 12:43:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.183]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 80ECD2F0711 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 12:43:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [62.180.24.12] (helo=bach) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu3) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKxQS-1FWcFa47Qa-0006sK; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 18:43:27 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: JPEGs files in PostScript To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.11b10 Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 18:43:47 +0200 Message-ID: <5b2c9e1a4e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.30b10 (MsgServe/3.11b1) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 235 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message Mike Williams wrote: > If I have an Ovation Pro document with colour JPEGs embedded. I am then > outputting to PostScript (PostScript 2 driver) with the colour option n= ot > enabled. The PostScript file is then distilled on a Mac and viewed in > Acrobat. I would expect, with sprites for example, for all colour image= s to > appear in monochrome, but in a recent example with embedded colour (RGB= ) > JPEG images some appear to have been converted to monochrome, while som= e > remained in colour. >=20 > Can anyone tell me what happens to embedded colour JPEG images when > outputting what should be a monochrome PostScript file? Switching off the "Colour" option in the PostScript driver does not=20 guarantee a monochrome PostScript file. It just allows the driver to=20 convert colour information to monochrome for whichever graphical=20 elements it sees fit. The reaons behind this is that any monochrome=20 PostScript printer will happily accept colour PostScript and do its=20 own monochrome conversion. The main reason for having the "Colour"=20 option in the first place is that converting colour information to=20 greyscales usually leads to more compact output. So, if you want a monochrome PDF file, you need to do the conversion=20 to monochrome in the source application. If you want good results and if you have any bitmaps in the document,=20 then you are advised to never switch the "Colour" option off in the PS=20 driver, even when producing monochrome output. Use 16M colour sprites=20 of greyscale JPEGs and avoid sprites with 256 colours or less - at=20 least until there is a better PostScript driver... Martin --=20 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Apr 25 16:39:48 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FWqdt-2WsGPo-04-FpW."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 16:39:48 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FWqdt-2WsGPo-04-FpW; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 08:05:29 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FWqdt-2WsGPo-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 08:05:29 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FWqdt-0003J6-GB for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 08:05:29 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1E2752F0E17; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 04:05:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22693-09; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 04:05:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BE0D62F0F61; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 04:05:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 04:04:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4E3A22F0E17 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 04:04:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22581-05 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 04:04:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vscan04.westnet.com.au (vscan04.westnet.com.au [203.10.1.141]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E4AD62F0DAB for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 04:04:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vscan04.westnet.com.au (vscan04 [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 78CB9F02A7 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:06:05 +0800 (WST) Received: from [10.1.1.2] (dsl-220-235-184-8.nsw.westnet.com.au [220.235.184.8]) by vscan04.westnet.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 331D0F0094 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:06:05 +0800 (WST) Message-ID: <44701F2E.8020008@westnet.com.au> Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 18:05:02 +1000 From: Peter Prewett User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: software list Subject: [softwarelist] Picture modifications Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Virus: Scanned with PMX 5.1.2.240295 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 236 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pprewett@westnet.com.au Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,DATE_IN_FUTURE_96_XX,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I want to change the brightness of an inserted picture but it only=20 accepts the nudge buttons entering a figure it ignores. What am I missing? (OVP 2.90 for Windows) Peter --=20 Peter Prewett, Tumut, New South Wales, Australia From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Apr 25 16:39:51 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FX1w5-3t3Vbs-02-D3q."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 16:39:51 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FX1w5-3t3Vbs-02-D3q; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 20:09:01 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FX1w5-3t3Vbs-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 20:09:01 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FX1w4-0003vd-Tq for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 20:09:01 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 682072F177A; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:09:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08414-03; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:09:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 23AFD2F1718; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:09:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:08:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D1AC12F1A26 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:08:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08309-01 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:08:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-ps.sunrise.ch (mta-ps-be-07.sunrise.ch [194.158.229.27]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 96A0D2F1718 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:08:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.com.smile.ch (194.230.224.233) by mail-ps.sunrise.ch (7.2.070) id 43CF0E540057E061 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 22:08:15 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Picture modifications To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: JMAH van Vredenburch X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 22:08:26 +0200 Message-ID: References: <44701F2E.8020008@westnet.com.au> In-Reply-To: <44701F2E.8020008@westnet.com.au> X-Organization: Secr. St. Van Vredenburch; CIC-member User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 237 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: janvredenburch@smile.ch Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <44701F2E.8020008@westnet.com.au> Peter Prewett wrote: > I want to change the brightness of an inserted picture but it only > accepts the nudge buttons entering a figure it ignores. >=20 > What am I missing? Indeed my experience as well. It does not function as with the RiscOS=20 version. JohnvV --=20 Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Apr 25 16:39:52 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FX2Rl-1p6000-05-CYA."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 16:39:52 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FX2Rl-1p6000-05-CYA; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 20:41:45 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FX2Rl-1p6000-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 20:41:45 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FX2Rk-0000GL-GI for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 20:41:45 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A8CF92F199E; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:41:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15615-06; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:41:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 661AE2F1924; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:41:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:40:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 60E762F199E for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:40:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15313-03 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:40:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ptb-relay01.plus.net (ptb-relay01.plus.net [212.159.14.212]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2C6B52F188A for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:40:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [80.229.143.2] (helo=radstock) by ptb-relay01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1FX2Qz-0003gt-KJ for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 21:40:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: software list Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 21:40:09 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Picture modifications Message-ID: <4e1b37a65achris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <44701F2E.8020008@westnet.com.au> References: <44701F2E.8020008@westnet.com.au> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.04-pre2 Content-type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 238 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <44701F2E.8020008@westnet.com.au>, Peter Prewett wrote: > I want to change the brightness of an inserted picture but it only=20 > accepts the nudge buttons entering a figure it ignores. > What am I missing? > (OVP 2.90 for Windows) Well, in the RISC OS version it works entering a number manually, but you *must* press return to get the number recognised. I have no idea whether the Windows version behaves similarly. Chris... --=20 Chris Johnson From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Apr 25 16:39:53 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FX2Xi-116GPo-06-CSD."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 16:39:53 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FX2Xi-116GPo-06-CSD; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 20:47:54 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FX2Xi-116GPo-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 20:47:54 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FX2Xa-0006Nr-Mi for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 20:47:54 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7FDB12F0B0E; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:47:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17145-06; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:47:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 265382F03C0; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:47:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:46:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3F5632F19B5 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:46:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16963-05 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:46:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 946CA2F0854 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:46:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from orphean-press.demon.co.uk ([80.176.244.156] helo=iyonix.iyonix) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1FX2WU-0003Yt-2V for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 20:46:38 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Peter Newble To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 21:46:37 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Picture modifications Message-ID: <4e1b383dd6mailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <44701F2E.8020008@westnet.com.au> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) Content-type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 239 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: mailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , JMAH van Vredenburch wrote: > In message <44701F2E.8020008@westnet.com.au> Peter Prewett > wrote: > > I want to change the brightness of an inserted picture but it > > only accepts the nudge buttons entering a figure it ignores. > Indeed my experience as well. It does not function as with the > RiscOS version. You have to press return or tab after entering the figure to confirm it before pressing OK. What I hadn't appreciated, before experimenting as a result of this thread, is that there are circumstances where Ovation Pro seems to get confused. If, with Brightnesss=3D0 you enter a number, say 50, into its icon then immediately click "OK", pressing the return key subsequently will then not confirm the new setting of 50, even if you delete and replace it before pressing return. You have to replace it with a different number for return to register the change. But if you enter a new number, click OK without pressing return so that the change is not registered, then use the nudge icons (which I don't usually do) these operate relative to the new, previously unrecognised value. Thus, starting with brightness=3D0, change that to 50, click OK (brightness appears unchanged), but then click nudge left to increase it to 51 and the displayed brightness suddenly changes from normal (0) to very bright (51%). In the Process dialogue box, the return key, like tab, cycles endlessly between the three writable icons and, as shown, acts on changes immediately. For some other dialogue boxes with writable icons, return moves, more conventionally, between fields until it reaches the last where it acts as the OK button, but for these boxes the changes are not made dynamically as the caret moves from field to field, but only when OK is reached. For such fields (e.g. "Scale" in the "Modify picture" box) the new figure will be used immediately on "OK", regardless of whether or not return was pressed. Odd -- or at least inconsistent. Peter Newble. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Apr 25 16:39:56 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FX6Ln-2Ecknw-07-8e8."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 16:39:56 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FX6Ln-2Ecknw-07-8e8; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 00:51:51 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FX6Ln-2Ecknw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 00:51:51 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FX6Lm-00055b-KF for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 00:51:50 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 253962ED60E; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 20:51:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32521-03; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 20:51:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D61B42EFACB; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 20:51:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 20:51:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BF8B62ED60E for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 20:51:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32383-03 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 20:51:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 874712EFECF for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 20:51:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 212-229-249-109.rev.dcfb.demon.com ([212.229.249.109] helo=mypc2) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1FX6L2-000MFo-G4 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 00:51:05 +0000 Message-ID: <004701c665a6$d877bc60$d7fbe5d4@mypc2> From: "David Pilling" To: References: <44701F2E.8020008@westnet.com.au> <4e1b383dd6mailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Picture modifications Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 01:50:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.3790.1830 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.1830 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 240 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > > I want to change the brightness of an inserted picture but it > > only accepts the nudge buttons entering a figure it ignores. It looks wrong to me (on Windows) - these situations are always a problem= .=20 One approach is to change the value as the user types - I now do that in=20 some cases. Problem with that is that intermediate values may be far from= =20 the final value. The other approaches are to use tab or change the usual=20 mode of operation of Return. ISTR sometimes on RISC OS the cursor up/down= =20 keys also force a value to be read. The tab ruler/tab values window are another situation where this problem=20 occurs. >What I hadn't appreciated, before experimenting as a result of this >thread, is that there are circumstances where Ovation Pro seems to get >confused. If, with Brightnesss=3D0 you enter a number, say 50, into its I don't grasp all that followed - are you talking about RISC OS or Window= s? Doesn't clicking on OK close the dialogue box, preventing any further=20 interaction with it? David Pilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Apr 25 16:39:58 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FX6zU-3KOknw-07-GWx."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 16:39:58 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FX6zU-3KOknw-07-GWx; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 01:32:52 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FX6zU-3KOknw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 01:32:52 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FX6zT-0003Rn-F7 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 01:32:52 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 059732F1B7A; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 21:32:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06435-01; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 21:32:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 82AF02F044F; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 21:32:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 21:32:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 92FAE2F1B65 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 21:32:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06261-10 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 21:32:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4F16C2EF81F for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 21:32:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from orphean-press.demon.co.uk ([80.176.244.156] helo=iyonix.iyonix) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1FX6ye-00098b-0L for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 01:32:00 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Peter Newble To: Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 02:31:59 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Picture modifications Message-ID: <4e1b525a13mailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <004701c665a6$d877bc60$d7fbe5d4@mypc2> References: <44701F2E.8020008@westnet.com.au> <4e1b383dd6mailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> <004701c665a6$d877bc60$d7fbe5d4@mypc2> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 241 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: mailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <004701c665a6$d877bc60$d7fbe5d4@mypc2>, David Pilling wrote: > >What I hadn't appreciated, before experimenting as a result of > >this thread, is that there are circumstances where Ovation Pro > >seems to get confused. If, with Brightnesss=3D0 you enter a number, > >say 50, into its > I don't grasp all that followed - are you talking about RISC OS or > Windows? Sorry, RISC OS. I haven't tried Ovation Pro for Windows since one of the earliest beta (or even alpha) versions, so I can't comment on that. > Doesn't clicking on OK close the dialogue box, preventing any > further interaction with it? Sorry again, I should have said adjust-clicking (to keep the dialogue box open). Thinking about it, adjust-click is probably my default action with the OK button in such boxes as Modify text, Modify text frame etc. -- making changes and confirming them at each stage until I'm happy (as with document and filer windows, come to that -- closing them to open the parent, more often than not). But with the Picture > Process=8C box, as long as the "Update" option is set, these changes happen dynamically so there's no need to adjust-click OK -- and in fact that can cause problems, as I explained before. That's the only reason I mentioned this in the first place, because it's inconsistent; whereas adjust-click on OK is /necessary/ for Ovation Pro to read intermediate settings with the Modify text box, etc., it can cause them to be ignored in the Picture > Process=8C box if you forget to press return, tab or arrow keys first, and then it can be confusing that the value in one of the writable icons appears to be being ignored when you switch between them using return (or whatever) in the usual way. I've never thought about why this is happening before -- just put it down to an occasional Ovation Pro quirk I suppose, and closed and re-opened the troublesome dialogue box in mild irritation . . . > > > I want to change the brightness of an inserted picture but it > > > only accepts the nudge buttons entering a figure it ignores. > It looks wrong to me (on Windows) - these situations are always a > problem. One approach is to change the value as the user types - I > now do that in some cases. Problem with that is that intermediate > values may be far from the final value. On balance this is one of the things I like about Photoshop and a few other Mac apps I use. As you say, if a parameter is set to 100% and you change it to, say, 90%, the function it sets will jump momentarily all the way down to 9% before jumping back up to 90%, but as I'm probably looking at the keyboard at the time that's not as much of a problem (for me, at least) as it might first appear . . . > The other approaches are to use tab or change the usual mode of > operation of Return. ISTR sometimes on RISC OS the cursor up/down > keys also force a value to be read. Yes they do, and in the case of the Picture > Process=8C dialogue box the same anomalous effect applies as with return and tab (i.e. what I described when adjust-clicking OK before moving between fields using those keys). Peter Newble. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Apr 25 16:40:01 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FXPcJ-2qiVbs-05-ExA."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 16:40:01 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FXPcJ-2qiVbs-05-ExA; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 21:26:11 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FXPcJ-2qiVbs-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 21:26:11 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FXPcI-0001gS-61 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 21:26:11 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id ABEB52F01C6; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 17:26:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18709-06; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 17:26:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 656E42F02D9; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 17:26:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 22 Apr 2006 17:25:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DB84B2F039D for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 17:25:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18469-01 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 17:25:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.freeserve.com (smtp1.wanadoo.co.uk [193.252.22.158]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A55642F03E3 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 17:25:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3001.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id BCBC31C000FB for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 23:25:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: from riscpc.birches75.freeserve.co.uk (user-4382.l6.c1.dsl.pol.co.uk [84.66.49.30]) by mwinf3001.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 814851C00103 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 23:25:19 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20060422212519529.814851C00103@mwinf3001.me.freeserve.com MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Colin Wood To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 22:25:07 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Postscript printing Message-ID: <4e1bbf99e6Colin@meldr.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <84ba711a4e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <4e1a3f5674Colin@meldr.co.uk> <84ba711a4e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 242 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: Colin@meldr.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <84ba711a4e.martin@bach.planiverse.com>, Martin Wuerthner wrote: > In message <4e1a3f5674Colin@meldr.co.uk> > Colin Wood wrote: > > Any advice as how best to print using Postscript? I haven't done > > this since around 1993, when iirc I printed to file using a > > Postscript driver, saved it to a pc disc and took it into work to > > print on an Apple. > >=20 > > There are 4 different Postscript definition files in my Printers > > directory. Any idea of what does what, or how I'd find out? > Simply use PoScript2 and forget about the others. > The "F" variants offer a "fast parallel port" option, which is rarely=20 > useful and would not make any difference if you print to file anyway. > PoScript2 means PostScript level 2, which produces far better output=20 > than level 1, so unless you really need level 1 output (and you don't=20 > because your printer does level 3), there is no need to look at the=20 > level 1 "PoScript" definition file. > Martin Thanks, Martin. I saved the PoScript2 file to disc and moved it across to my pc. What should it be filetyped? ps or eps? Then how do I send it to my Dell 3100cn colour laser printer, which supports Postscript 3? Kind regards, Colin --=20 _______________________ __ / / _ |. _ \ /_ _ _| / =20 \__(_)||| ) \/\/(_)(_)(_| / StrongArm RiscPC _______________________________/ RISC OS 4.39 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Apr 25 16:40:03 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FXaRI-42m000-08-Ceh."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 16:40:03 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FXaRI-42m000-08-Ceh; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 08:59:32 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FXaRI-42m000-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 08:59:32 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FXaRH-00062V-Os for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 08:59:32 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1E97B2F05C1; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 04:59:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05660-07; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 04:59:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D8C2A2F11E5; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 04:59:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 23 Apr 2006 04:58:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8B0732F1015 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 04:58:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05508-08 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 04:58:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cht-smtp-002.bulldogdsl.com (cht-smtp-001.bulldogdsl.com [83.146.21.7]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5B9212F13C7 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 04:58:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cht-smtp-002.bulldogdsl.com (Postfix, from userid 1002) id 288851E4388; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 09:58:39 +0100 (BST) Received: from [84.9.232.43] (host-84-9-232-43.bulldogdsl.com [84.9.232.43]) by cht-smtp-002.bulldogdsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79E271E438B for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 09:58:35 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <444B42B2.9030807@ed.ac.uk> Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 10:02:42 +0100 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Postscript printing References: <4e1a3f5674Colin@meldr.co.uk> <84ba711a4e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4e1bbf99e6Colin@meldr.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4e1bbf99e6Colin@meldr.co.uk> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Abuse: Please report all spam/abuse matters to abuse@bulldogdsl.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 243 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT,X_ACCEPT_LANG autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Colin Wood wrote: > In article <84ba711a4e.martin@bach.planiverse.com>, > Martin Wuerthner wrote: >=20 >>In message <4e1a3f5674Colin@meldr.co.uk> >> Colin Wood wrote: [snip] > I saved the PoScript2 file to disc and moved it across to my pc. What > should it be filetyped? ps or eps? Then how do I send it to my Dell > 3100cn colour laser printer, which supports Postscript 3? > Colin Try the freeware utility, PrintFile:=20 http://www.lerup.com/printfile/descr.html --=20 Clive Bonsall C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Apr 25 16:40:04 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FXgkJ-4WLVbs-04-EsC."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 16:40:04 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FXgkJ-4WLVbs-04-EsC; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 15:43:35 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FXgkJ-4WLVbs-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 15:43:35 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FXgkI-0003Q5-G6 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 15:43:35 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0CFA72F1C88; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 11:43:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06736-04; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 11:43:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DCB862F1C86; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 11:43:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 23 Apr 2006 11:42:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 30C4C2F1CBC for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 11:42:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06558-06 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 11:42:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.freeserve.com (smtp1.wanadoo.co.uk [193.252.22.158]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 313272F1D53 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 11:42:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3011.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id B9AD81C00089 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 17:42:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: from riscpc.birches75.freeserve.co.uk (user-4382.l6.c1.dsl.pol.co.uk [84.66.49.30]) by mwinf3011.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 7EA391C00084 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 17:42:42 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20060423154242518.7EA391C00084@mwinf3011.me.freeserve.com MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Colin Wood To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 16:42:29 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Postscript printing Message-ID: <4e1c2411b3Colin@meldr.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <444B42B2.9030807@ed.ac.uk> References: <4e1a3f5674Colin@meldr.co.uk> <84ba711a4e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4e1bbf99e6Colin@meldr.co.uk> <444B42B2.9030807@ed.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 244 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: Colin@meldr.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <444B42B2.9030807@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall wrote: > Colin Wood wrote: > > In article <84ba711a4e.martin@bach.planiverse.com>, > > Martin Wuerthner wrote: > >=20 > >>In message <4e1a3f5674Colin@meldr.co.uk> > >> Colin Wood wrote: > [snip] > > I saved the PoScript2 file to disc and moved it across to my pc. What > > should it be filetyped? ps or eps? Then how do I send it to my Dell > > 3100cn colour laser printer, which supports Postscript 3?=20 > > Colin > Try the freeware utility, PrintFile:=20 > http://www.lerup.com/printfile/descr.html Thanks - done. PrintFile dialogue box Printer set to Dell Laser Printer 3100cn PC-PS (selected from menu). No joy dropping file saved as above, typed either as ps or eps, onto icon= . Lots of paper fed through, blank apart from 1st sheet: had to cancel print. In both cases, first sheet had %!PS-Adobe-2.0 %%Creator:PostScript PDriver module 4.49 %%CreationDate: 20:52:1 Any ideas? Regards to all, --=20 _______________________ __ / / _ |. _ \ /_ _ _| / =20 \__(_)||| ) \/\/(_)(_)(_| / StrongArm RiscPC _______________________________/ RISC OS 4.39 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Apr 25 16:40:05 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FXjyw-36jknw-01-BdZ."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 16:40:05 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FXjyw-36jknw-01-BdZ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 19:10:54 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FXjyw-36jknw-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 19:10:54 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FXjyo-00003a-GO for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 19:10:54 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 43D5F2F1AA6; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 15:10:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05360-10; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 15:10:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E202D2F19B7; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 15:10:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 23 Apr 2006 15:09:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2B9EB2F196D for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 15:09:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04977-07 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 15:09:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mcr-smtp-001.bulldogdsl.com (smtp.bulldogdsl.com [212.158.248.7]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 601A42F1B31 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 15:09:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mcr-smtp-001.bulldogdsl.com (Postfix, from userid 1005) id 974967112CC; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 20:09:36 +0100 (BST) X-Spam-Abuse: Please report all spam/abuse matters to abuse@bulldogdsl.com Received: from [84.9.233.107] (host-84-9-233-107.bulldogdsl.com [84.9.233.107]) by mcr-smtp-001.bulldogdsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECE0F70C3DB for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 20:09:34 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <444BD209.6020706@ed.ac.uk> Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 20:14:17 +0100 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Postscript printing References: <4e1a3f5674Colin@meldr.co.uk> <84ba711a4e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4e1bbf99e6Colin@meldr.co.uk> <444B42B2.9030807@ed.ac.uk> <4e1c2411b3Colin@meldr.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4e1c2411b3Colin@meldr.co.uk> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 245 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT,X_ACCEPT_LANG autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Colin Wood wrote: > In article <444B42B2.9030807@ed.ac.uk>, > Clive Bonsall wrote: >=20 >>Colin Wood wrote: >> >>>In article <84ba711a4e.martin@bach.planiverse.com>, >>> Martin Wuerthner wrote: >>> >>> >>>>In message <4e1a3f5674Colin@meldr.co.uk> >>>> Colin Wood wrote: >=20 >=20 >>[snip] >=20 >=20 >>>I saved the PoScript2 file to disc and moved it across to my pc. What >>>should it be filetyped? ps or eps? Then how do I send it to my Dell >>>3100cn colour laser printer, which supports Postscript 3?=20 >>>Colin >=20 >=20 >>Try the freeware utility, PrintFile:=20 >>http://www.lerup.com/printfile/descr.html >=20 >=20 > Thanks - done. >=20 > PrintFile dialogue box Printer set to > Dell Laser Printer 3100cn PC-PS > (selected from menu). >=20 > No joy dropping file saved as above, typed either as ps or eps, onto ic= on. >=20 > Lots of paper fed through, blank apart from 1st sheet: had to cancel > print. In both cases, first sheet had > %!PS-Adobe-2.0 > %%Creator:PostScript PDriver module 4.49 > %%CreationDate: 20:52:1 >=20 > Any ideas? Hmmm? Works for me ... using the PS2 driver, printing to file from=20 OvPro, and then outputting on the PC-side using the LJ1200 PS driver. Mind you, I've only attempted to print single pages as a test, but they=20 include text plus JPEG, sprite and AW images. What happens if you print the pages individually? If you want to send me your file (or part of it) I'll run it thru' the=20 LJ1200 PS driver. --=20 Clive Bonsall C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Apr 25 16:40:05 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FXmZX-2ABknw-08-92y."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 16:40:05 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FXmZX-2ABknw-08-92y; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 21:56:51 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FXmZX-2ABknw-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 21:56:51 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FXmZX-0006ut-1c for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 21:56:51 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5ED782F1CB0; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 17:56:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17960-01; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 17:56:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AA06A2F1D3B; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 17:56:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 23 Apr 2006 17:55:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F0FD12F1C33 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 17:55:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17506-05-8 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 17:55:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.freeserve.com (smtp3.wanadoo.co.uk [193.252.22.156]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D907D2F13F8 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 17:55:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3207.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 0306C90000BF for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 23:55:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: from rpc (user-5660.lns5-c10.dsl.pol.co.uk [84.68.150.28]) by mwinf3207.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id BCE3D90000BA for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 23:55:52 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20060423215552773.BCE3D90000BA@mwinf3207.me.freeserve.com Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Postscript printing To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Alan Adams X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 22:54:55 +0100 Message-ID: <852a461c4e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> References: <4e1a3f5674Colin@meldr.co.uk> <84ba711a4e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4e1bbf99e6Colin@meldr.co.uk> <444B42B2.9030807@ed.ac.uk> <4e1c2411b3Colin@meldr.co.uk> <444BD209.6020706@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <444BD209.6020706@ed.ac.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 246 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <444BD209.6020706@ed.ac.uk> Clive Bonsall wrote: > Colin Wood wrote: >> In article <444B42B2.9030807@ed.ac.uk>, >> Clive Bonsall wrote: >>=20 >>>Colin Wood wrote: >>> >>>>In article <84ba711a4e.martin@bach.planiverse.com>, >>>> Martin Wuerthner wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>In message <4e1a3f5674Colin@meldr.co.uk> >>>>> Colin Wood wrote: >>=20 >>=20 >>>[snip] >>=20 >>=20 >>>>I saved the PoScript2 file to disc and moved it across to my pc. What >>>>should it be filetyped? ps or eps? Then how do I send it to my Dell >>>>3100cn colour laser printer, which supports Postscript 3? >>>>Colin >>=20 >>=20 >>>Try the freeware utility, PrintFile: >>>http://www.lerup.com/printfile/descr.html >>=20 >>=20 >> Thanks - done. >>=20 >> PrintFile dialogue box Printer set to >> Dell Laser Printer 3100cn PC-PS >> (selected from menu). >>=20 >> No joy dropping file saved as above, typed either as ps or eps, onto i= con. >>=20 >> Lots of paper fed through, blank apart from 1st sheet: had to cancel >> print. In both cases, first sheet had >> %!PS-Adobe-2.0 >> %%Creator:PostScript PDriver module 4.49 >> %%CreationDate: 20:52:1 >>=20 >> Any ideas? >=20 > Hmmm? Works for me ... using the PS2 driver, printing to file from > OvPro, and then outputting on the PC-side using the LJ1200 PS driver. > Mind you, I've only attempted to print single pages as a test, but they > include text plus JPEG, sprite and AW images. >=20 > What happens if you print the pages individually? >=20 > If you want to send me your file (or part of it) I'll run it thru' the > LJ1200 PS driver. The application thinks it's a text file. Does its name end .ps ? (remembering to enable viewing of file extensions. For example, if=20 it's been anywhere near Notepad, it might be called mumble.ps.txt,=20 with the .txt extension hidden.) --=20 Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Apr 25 16:40:06 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FXw37-3Lf000-07-GcQ."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 16:40:06 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FXw37-3Lf000-07-GcQ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 08:04:01 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FXw37-3Lf000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 08:04:01 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FXw37-0001ha-6u for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 08:04:01 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A875D2FA04D; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 04:04:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30577-01; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 04:04:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2E7022FA046; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 04:03:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 04:03:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 009712F1E49 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 04:03:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30318-03-2 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 04:03:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ranger.systems.pipex.net (ranger.systems.pipex.net [62.241.162.32]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1FBCF2FA02F for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 04:03:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from RiscPC (81-178-189-147.dsl.pipex.com [81.178.189.147]) by ranger.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D34D2E00035B for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 09:03:11 +0100 (BST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 08:30:30 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Postscript printing Message-ID: <4e1c7adcdcsteve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> In-Reply-To: <444BD209.6020706@ed.ac.uk> References: <4e1a3f5674Colin@meldr.co.uk> <84ba711a4e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4e1bbf99e6Colin@meldr.co.uk> <444B42B2.9030807@ed.ac.uk> <4e1c2411b3Colin@meldr.co.uk> <444BD209.6020706@ed.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.05-a1 (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.04-pre2 Content-type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 247 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 23 Apr, Clive Bonsall wrote: > Hmmm? Works for me ... using the PS2 driver, printing to file from=20 > OvPro, and then outputting on the PC-side using the LJ1200 PS driver. > Mind you, I've only attempted to print single pages as a test, but they= =20 > include text plus JPEG, sprite and AW images. > What happens if you print the pages individually? If it works for individual pages the usual problem is lack of memory in t= he printer. --=20 Steve Pampling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Apr 25 16:40:07 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FY6PA-3EfVbs-07-Emt."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 16:40:07 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FY6PA-3EfVbs-07-Emt; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 19:07:28 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FY6PA-3EfVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 19:07:28 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FY6PA-00012l-6B for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 19:07:28 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 86DAB2F1486; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 15:07:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25864-03-4; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 15:07:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 558F52FEFC1; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 15:07:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 15:06:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7F8262F37FE for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 15:06:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25424-03-2 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 15:06:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 304AC2FEF07 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 15:06:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 212-229-244-247.rev.dcfb.demon.com ([212.229.244.247] helo=mypc2) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1FY6OA-000B07-7J for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 19:06:26 +0000 Message-ID: <000001c667d2$358bb820$f7f4e5d4@mypc2> From: "David Pilling" To: References: <44701F2E.8020008@westnet.com.au> <4e1b383dd6mailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> <004701c665a6$d877bc60$d7fbe5d4@mypc2> <4e1b525a13mailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Picture modifications Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 02:51:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.3790.1830 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.1830 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 248 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,DATE_IN_PAST_12_24,REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Sorry, RISC OS. I haven't tried Ovation Pro for Windows since one of I've now changed the Windows version so that it updates as new values are= =20 typed in. The way it was previously was wrong. I probably just never got=20 around to doing something. >Sorry again, I should have said adjust-clicking (to keep the dialogue OK, thanks, understood now. David Pilling=20 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Apr 25 16:40:09 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FY7fQ-1mrGPo-02-DWd."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 16:40:09 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FY7fQ-1mrGPo-02-DWd; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 20:28:20 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FY7fQ-1mrGPo-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 20:28:20 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FY7ei-0003Tk-Ai for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 20:28:19 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6F1F22FF2AF; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:27:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20061-04; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:27:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2DF402FF8C0; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:27:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:26:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 10F832FF87A for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:26:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19905-04 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:26:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.freeserve.com (smtp2.wanadoo.co.uk [193.252.22.157]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5114A2FF84F for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:26:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3112.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 175755800048 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 22:26:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: from riscpc.birches75.freeserve.co.uk (user-4382.l6.c1.dsl.pol.co.uk [84.66.49.30]) by mwinf3112.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id C01B858000AB for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 22:26:25 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20060424202625786.C01B858000AB@mwinf3112.me.freeserve.com MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Colin Wood To: Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 21:21:46 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Postscript printing Message-ID: <4e1cc1794aColin@meldr.co.uk> References: <4e1a3f5674Colin@meldr.co.uk> <84ba711a4e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4e1bbf99e6Colin@meldr.co.uk> <444B42B2.9030807@ed.ac.uk> <4e1c2411b3Colin@meldr.co.uk> <444BD209.6020706@ed.ac.uk> <852a461c4e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <852a461c4e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 249 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: Colin@meldr.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <852a461c4e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk>, Alan Adams wrote: > In message <444BD209.6020706@ed.ac.uk> > Clive Bonsall wrote: > > Colin Wood wrote: > >> In article <444B42B2.9030807@ed.ac.uk>, > >> Clive Bonsall wrote: > >>=20 > >>>Colin Wood wrote: > >>> > >>>>In article <84ba711a4e.martin@bach.planiverse.com>, > >>>> Martin Wuerthner wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>In message <4e1a3f5674Colin@meldr.co.uk> > >>>>> Colin Wood wrote: > >>=20 > >>=20 > >>>[snip] > >>=20 > >>=20 > >>>>I saved the PoScript2 file to disc and moved it across to my pc. > >>>>What should it be filetyped? ps or eps? Then how do I send it to my > >>>>Dell 3100cn colour laser printer, which supports Postscript 3? Coli= n > >>=20 > >>=20 > >>>Try the freeware utility, PrintFile: > >>>http://www.lerup.com/printfile/descr.html > >>=20 > >>=20 > >> Thanks - done. > >>=20 > >> PrintFile dialogue box Printer set to > >> Dell Laser Printer 3100cn PC-PS > >> (selected from menu). > >>=20 > >> No joy dropping file saved as above, typed either as ps or eps, onto > >> icon. > >>=20 > >> Lots of paper fed through, blank apart from 1st sheet: had to cancel > >> print. In both cases, first sheet had %!PS-Adobe-2.0 > >> %%Creator:PostScript PDriver module 4.49 %%CreationDate: > >> 20:52:1 > >>=20 > >> Any ideas? > >=20 > > Hmmm? Works for me ... using the PS2 driver, printing to file from > > OvPro, and then outputting on the PC-side using the LJ1200 PS driver. > > Mind you, I've only attempted to print single pages as a test, but > > they include text plus JPEG, sprite and AW images. > >=20 > > What happens if you print the pages individually? > >=20 > > If you want to send me your file (or part of it) I'll run it thru' th= e > > LJ1200 PS driver. > The application thinks it's a text file. Does its name end .ps ? > (remembering to enable viewing of file extensions. For example, if=20 > it's been anywhere near Notepad, it might be called mumble.ps.txt,=20 > with the .txt extension hidden.) Thanks, yes, I did this prior to printing from Windows (tried both .ps and .eps) (with file extensions enabled). Note to others on list - I sent my file to Clive off-list. He reported that it printed out OK, adding > Have just printed your file to a LJ5500hdn colour postscript printer > with no problem. > The fact that your Dell printer is spewing out lots of sheets of paper > suggests that the printer is not interpreting the PS file (which it > should if it's a PS printer). My guess is this is a printer problem and > nothing to do with the RiscOS PS output. I suggest you give Dell a > call.=20 Haven't pursued it atm as am about to go off on holiday. Thanks to all, and regards to all, --=20 _______________________ __ / / _ |. _ \ /_ _ _| / =20 \__(_)||| ) \/\/(_)(_)(_| / StrongArm RiscPC _______________________________/ RISC OS 4.39 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Apr 25 16:40:10 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FY9Tx-2yX000-03-Bi6."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 16:40:10 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FY9Tx-2yX000-03-Bi6; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 22:24:37 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FY9Tx-2yX000-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 22:24:37 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FY9Tx-0001xK-BA for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 22:24:37 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E8FEF2FFE9D; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 18:24:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26301-01; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 18:24:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3C0792FFE92; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 18:24:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 18:23:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4CE172FBBF8 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 18:23:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25776-01-6 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 18:23:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.freeserve.com (smtp2.wanadoo.co.uk [193.252.22.157]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0FC572FFE53 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 18:23:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3109.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id C443264000F4 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 00:23:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: from riscpc.birches75.freeserve.co.uk (user-4382.l6.c1.dsl.pol.co.uk [84.66.49.30]) by mwinf3109.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 8AD7264000D2 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 00:23:50 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20060424222350568.8AD7264000D2@mwinf3109.me.freeserve.com MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Colin Wood To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 22:59:41 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Postscript printing Message-ID: <4e1cca7048Colin@meldr.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4e1c7adcdcsteve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> References: <4e1a3f5674Colin@meldr.co.uk> <84ba711a4e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4e1bbf99e6Colin@meldr.co.uk> <444B42B2.9030807@ed.ac.uk> <4e1c2411b3Colin@meldr.co.uk> <444BD209.6020706@ed.ac.uk> <4e1c7adcdcsteve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 250 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: Colin@meldr.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4e1c7adcdcsteve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com>, Steven Pampling wrote: > On 23 Apr, Clive Bonsall wrote: > > Hmmm? Works for me ... using the PS2 driver, printing to file from > > OvPro, and then outputting on the PC-side using the LJ1200 PS driver. > > Mind you, I've only attempted to print single pages as a test, but > > they include text plus JPEG, sprite and AW images. > > What happens if you print the pages individually? > If it works for individual pages the usual problem is lack of memory in > the printer. Thanks, Steven.=20 I was in fact printing out a half-A4 page OvPro document. Regards, --=20 _______________________ __ / / _ |. _ \ /_ _ _| / =20 \__(_)||| ) \/\/(_)(_)(_| / StrongArm RiscPC _______________________________/ RISC OS 4.39 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Apr 26 16:56:17 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FYmGD-2OEVbs-05-FYQ."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 16:56:17 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FYmGD-2OEVbs-05-FYQ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 15:49:01 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.104] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FYmGD-2OEVbs-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 15:49:01 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FYmGD-0002Y6-4b for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 15:49:01 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B993C303A10; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 11:49:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05062-03; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 11:49:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 89482301AE5; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 11:49:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 11:48:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 58EE1303A10 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 11:48:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04817-04 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 11:48:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.freeuk.net (relay.freeuk.net [212.126.144.54]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 267BF30A4C9 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 11:48:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from richardbrock.plus.com ([84.92.57.121] helo=RISCOS) by relay.freeuk.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FYmFS-000Avu-9e for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 16:48:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Brock To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 16:48:23 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: printing from OvnProWin Message-ID: <4e1db01e14badger.sett@freeuk.com> In-Reply-To: References: <4dfec26c16badger.sett@freeuk.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04b (RISC-OS/4.39) POPstar/2.05 Content-type: text/plain X-Clara-Relay: Message sent using Claranet Relay Service using auth code: rb02 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 251 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: badger.sett@freeuk.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Sorry to be so long in responding to this... I've only just had time to experiment... In article , David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > >I'm using OvnPro v2.76 on Windows XP with a Canon 7100 printer. When I > >print a multi-page document, it always starts with the last page and > >works forwards. This is with the Print>Properties>Layout>Page order > >set to 'Front to Back'. Have I missed another setting somewhere? I tried printing to a different (Brother HL-760) printer and the print order was as expected. I think that the 7100 own 'normal' order is determined by the fact that the printed sheets land on top of each other face-up - this means that to have the sheets in the correct order when picked up from the output tray, the last sheet needs to printed first. What threw me is that all my previous multi-sheet printing on the 7100 had been via RISCOS Printers which, by default, print sheets in order regardless of the final pile! > I wonder what the setting of the "Reverse" button on the main OPW print > window is? unticked. > It shouldn't happen, documents usually print front to back. However you > do have the option to print the other way around. Another obvious > thought is what happens if you select back to front order? I have now set the Windows 7100 driver to print in reverse, which results in a RISCOS-style printout order. Richard --=20 Richard Brock From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Apr 27 02:22:29 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FYv9S-1XQ000-04-FBh."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 02:22:29 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FYv9S-1XQ000-04-FBh; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 01:18:38 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FYv9S-1XQ000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 01:18:38 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FYv9Q-0001z0-9v for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 01:18:38 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9719230CBD2; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 21:18:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01501-01-3; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 21:18:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 756C330CBAE; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 21:18:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 21:17:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E4E9330CAAF for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 21:17:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01023-01 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 21:17:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 453C330CAA2 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 21:17:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1FYv8Y-000E5C-C8 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 01:17:43 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 02:16:12 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] quoted text test MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1;format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 252 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, I'm hope you'll excuse this test message. Martin Wuerthner has told me=20 how to fix the problem with mime quoted text - that is the irritating =3D=20 20 etc. that have blighted this list since it moved to freelists. So=20 here we go: =A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3's --=20 David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Apr 27 02:42:31 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FYvOQ-2BD000-07-Ewj."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 02:42:31 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FYvOQ-2BD000-07-Ewj; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 01:34:06 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FYvOQ-2BD000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 01:34:06 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FYvOQ-0002Y9-Cq for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 01:34:06 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9A6FB30CD3D; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 21:34:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04058-04-3; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 21:34:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6F82330CD3B; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 21:34:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 21:33:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 22A9330CD3D for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 21:33:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03792-06 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 21:33:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 985C830CD1D for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 21:33:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1FYvNa-0002da-0n for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 01:33:14 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 02:32:12 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: quoted text test References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1;format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 253 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3's OK, successful test - no need for anyone to report unless you still see=20 =3D signs. Thanks to Martin... --=20 David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Apr 27 13:37:58 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FZ0K1-2cmVbs-02-A18."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 13:37:58 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FZ0K1-2cmVbs-02-A18; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 06:49:53 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FZ0K1-2cmVbs-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 06:49:53 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FZ0Jy-0003nY-3n for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 06:49:53 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 33CA830BD4F; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 02:49:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18398-07; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 02:49:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EAFFD30BDB9; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 02:49:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 27 Apr 2006 02:49:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9C50630BD4F for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 02:49:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18299-05 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 02:49:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.6]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DCF8230BD48 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 02:49:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [172.23.170.142] (helo=anti-virus02-09) by smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FZ0HE-0005Ah-U1 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 07:47:00 +0100 Received: from [82.44.100.114] (helo=BRUCEA6) by asmtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FZ0HE-00071j-62 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 07:47:00 +0100 Message-ID: <004c01c669c6$6c45e980$8100a8c0@BRUCEA6> From: "Bruce Goatly" To: References: Subject: [softwarelist] Re: quoted text test Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 07:47:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 254 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: bruce@goatly.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > > I'm hope you'll excuse this test message. Martin Wuerthner has told me > how to fix the problem with mime quoted text - that is the irritating > =3D 20 etc. that have blighted this list since it moved to freelists. S= o > here we go: > > =A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3's Did anyone else see this message twice, or was it just me? (I've been=20 getting a spate of doubled messages lately and wonder whether I'm the onl= y=20 one.) Bruce From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Apr 27 13:37:59 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FZ0fx-3OUVbs-06-9fC."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 13:37:59 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FZ0fx-3OUVbs-06-9fC; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 07:12:33 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FZ0fx-3OUVbs-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 07:12:33 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FZ0fw-0004GD-Jh for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 07:12:32 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DFD4D30BE3E; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 03:12:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22255-09-8; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 03:12:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4783130BE24; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 03:12:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 27 Apr 2006 03:11:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 865DB30BDFA for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 03:11:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22154-02 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 03:11:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ptb-relay02.plus.net (ptb-relay02.plus.net [212.159.14.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0535430BE24 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 03:11:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [84.92.97.176] (helo=greatest) by ptb-relay02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1FZ0fA-0003U4-4M for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 08:11:44 +0100 Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 08:10:07 +0100 From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: quoted text test Message-ID: <2481041e4e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> References: <004c01c669c6$6c45e980$8100a8c0@BRUCEA6> In-Reply-To: <004c01c669c6$6c45e980$8100a8c0@BRUCEA6> X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.08 (MsgServe/3.23) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 255 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: tim@powys.org Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message of 27 Apr, "Bruce Goatly" wrote: > David Pilling wrote: > > > > =A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3's >=20 > Did anyone else see this message twice, or was it just me? (I've been=20 > getting a spate of doubled messages lately and wonder whether I'm the o= nly=20 > one.) Only once here. --=20 Tim Powys-Lybbe=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0tim@pow= ys.org =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0For a miscellany of bygones: http:= //powys.org From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Apr 27 13:37:59 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FZ0iE-3TsVbs-08-9cv."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 13:37:59 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FZ0iE-3TsVbs-08-9cv; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 07:14:54 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.104] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FZ0iE-3TsVbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 07:14:54 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FZ0iD-0002AM-W2 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 07:14:54 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9537C30BE25; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 03:14:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22844-03; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 03:14:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 48D2E30BE4A; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 03:14:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 27 Apr 2006 03:14:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 40BBA30BE51 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 03:14:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22532-03-8 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 03:14:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from astro.systems.pipex.net (astro.systems.pipex.net [62.241.163.6]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9410030BE35 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 03:14:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from RiscPC (81-178-189-147.dsl.pipex.com [81.178.189.147]) by astro.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61BDCE0001F0 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 08:14:04 +0100 (BST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 07:41:05 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: quoted text test Message-ID: <4e1e01d89dsteve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.05-a1 (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.04-pre2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 256 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 27 Apr, David Pilling wrote: > >=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3's > OK, successful test - no need for anyone to report unless you still see= =20 > =3D signs. > Thanks to Martin... Dave Higton has moved the antispam list - he may be in touch for hints an= d tips. --=20 Steve Pampling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Apr 27 19:07:45 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FZAti-0hxVbs-03-GUT."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 19:07:45 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FZAti-0hxVbs-03-GUT; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 18:07:26 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.104] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FZAti-0hxVbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 18:07:26 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FZAtg-0002t3-7F for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 18:07:26 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 22B6C30CBC6; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 14:07:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17305-06; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 14:07:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E12B230CE55; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 14:07:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 27 Apr 2006 14:06:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D115730CBC6 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 14:06:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17159-09 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 14:06:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.7]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E8B8E30C364 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 14:06:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [172.23.170.147] (helo=anti-virus03-10) by smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FZAsl-0005cK-PS for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 19:06:27 +0100 Received: from [82.44.100.114] (helo=BRUCEA6) by asmtp-out1.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FZAsl-00017M-5r for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 19:06:27 +0100 Message-ID: <00f001c66a25$5a58efb0$8100a8c0@BRUCEA6> From: "Bruce Goatly" To: References: <004c01c669c6$6c45e980$8100a8c0@BRUCEA6> <2481041e4e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> Subject: [softwarelist] Re: quoted text test Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 19:06:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 257 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: bruce@goatly.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: > In message of 27 Apr, "Bruce Goatly" wrote: > >> David Pilling wrote: >>> >>> =A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3's >> >> Did anyone else see this message twice, or was it just me? (I've been >> getting a spate of doubled messages lately and wonder whether I'm >> the only one.) > > Only once here. Hmm... Would anyone be interested in looking at the headers of the two messages? They're different, and one of the messages seems to have got duplicated inside turing.freelists.org (two different ESMTP ids, with tim= e stamps two seconds apart). Off-list contacts, perhaps, to spare off-topicness. Bruce From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Apr 28 13:55:29 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FZSR7-1lzVbs-03-G06."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 13:55:29 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FZSR7-1lzVbs-03-G06; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 12:51:05 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.104] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FZSR7-1lzVbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 12:51:05 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FZSR4-0002cU-UK for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 12:51:05 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 63EC430D166; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 08:51:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16026-04; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 08:51:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DCF3130C9DF; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 08:50:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 28 Apr 2006 08:50:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A8F5730BD23 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 08:50:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15631-01-4 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 08:50:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3876F30BAA2 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 08:50:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1FZSQE-000CNo-BS for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 12:50:10 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 13:49:03 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: quoted text test References: <004c01c669c6$6c45e980$8100a8c0@BRUCEA6> <2481041e4e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <00f001c66a25$5a58efb0$8100a8c0@BRUCEA6> In-Reply-To: <00f001c66a25$5a58efb0$8100a8c0@BRUCEA6> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 258 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >>> Did anyone else see this message twice, or was it just me? (I've been >Hmm... Would anyone be interested in looking at the headers of the two We've sorted this... -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941