From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jan 4 16:41:24 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EtOj1-32I000-04-1Cts."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 16:41:24 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EtOj1-32I000-04-1Cts; Mon, 02 Jan 2006 12:23:44 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EtOj1-32I000-04; Mon, 02 Jan 2006 12:23:44 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.35] (helo=smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EtOj1-0001rV-FG; Mon, 02 Jan 2006 12:23:43 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EtNoJ-0006rq-Ia; Mon, 02 Jan 2006 11:25:08 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EtOgi-0007QF-H1 for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Mon, 02 Jan 2006 12:21:20 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.90] (helo=anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EtOgi-0007Q3-1V for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 02 Jan 2006 12:21:20 +0000 Received: from cumbrian.demon.co.uk ([62.49.24.36] helo=riscpc.cumbrian.demon.co.uk) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EtOgh-000P1k-8S for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 02 Jan 2006 12:21:19 +0000 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP and MP To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Chris Hughes X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 12:06:43 GMT Message-ID: <8886e6e24d.chris@cumbrian.demon.co.uk> References: <4dd9b6fc86nedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> <85723add4d.alan@ntlworld.com> <4ddd4d9774bric@f2s.com> <5f2c4add4d.alan@ntlworld.com> <4ddd53222fjohn@acornusers.org> <9e8751df4d.chris@cumbrian.demon.co.uk> <4ddf633895chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <4ddf633895chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.30b4 (MsgServe/3.10S) (RISC-OS/4.39) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4ddf633895chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> Chris Johnson wrote: > In article <9e8751df4d.chris@cumbrian.demon.co.uk>, > Chris Hughes wrote: > >> Too name two; I press enter between two existing paragraphs and it >> decides to have a mind of its own, and move the paragraphs off the >> page (if I have linked page/column sometimes to this) - simply not >> acceptable in a professional program. > > Is this due to the fact that you are using the numeric keypad Enter, > which has a different usage to the normal Enter. The keypad Enter > specifically puts in a 'Page break', rather than a simple 'New line'. It would seem so, I was not even aware of the 'feature', now I am still find it annoying, the 'Enter' key should be doing the same not dependent on which one you press. Is there and option or way to turn off this 'feature'. > >> Also the frames that refuse to go where I ask it too I want to >> expand the frame by say a couple of mm and it decides to move it 5 >> or whatever - very annoying and time wasting. > > You can turn on and off the features 'Lock to guidelines' and 'Snap > to objects'. Hmm well yes this fixed it for a document by document basis (I have recreated the original base document rather then use the imported Impression document template - this seems to have made these options work - no idea why - corruption maybe) but again would prefer a global option available to turn it off, rather then having to remember each time or do I have to create a new 'master default' document? > > I do not think the software can be blamed for doing things that are > really due to being not familiar with the software. > I do! when you get a situation when depending on which return you press you get a different response. Happy new year. -- Chris Hughes -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jan 4 16:41:25 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EtOj2-1zHGPo-06-14NL."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 16:41:25 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EtOj2-1zHGPo-06-14NL; Mon, 02 Jan 2006 12:23:44 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EtOj2-1zHGPo-06; Mon, 02 Jan 2006 12:23:44 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EtOj1-0006C8-Rs; Mon, 02 Jan 2006 12:23:44 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EtOiz-00060V-3t; Mon, 02 Jan 2006 12:23:42 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EtOgj-0007QZ-1W for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Mon, 02 Jan 2006 12:21:21 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.90] (helo=anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EtOgi-0007QR-LQ for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 02 Jan 2006 12:21:20 +0000 Received: from cumbrian.demon.co.uk ([62.49.24.36] helo=riscpc.cumbrian.demon.co.uk) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EtOgi-000P1k-7U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 02 Jan 2006 12:21:20 +0000 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP and MP To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Chris Hughes X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 12:17:54 GMT Message-ID: References: <4dd9b6fc86nedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> <85723add4d.alan@ntlworld.com> <4ddd4d9774bric@f2s.com> <5f2c4add4d.alan@ntlworld.com> <4ddd53222fjohn@acornusers.org> <9e8751df4d.chris@cumbrian.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.30b4 (MsgServe/3.10S) (RISC-OS/4.39) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message David Pilling wrote: >>Too name two; I press enter between two existing paragraphs and it >>decides to have a mind of its own, and move the paragraphs off the >>page > > Hard to say without seeing an example. It might be some sort of bug > (certainly sounds like it) but then as others have commented there may > be some rational explanation. Seems I was not aware of a 'feature' of OvationPro, I had already asked a 'knowledgeable' person who used Ovation Pro daily and he was not even aware of this feature either and thought it was a 'bug'. > >>Also the frames that refuse to go where I ask it too I want to expand >>the frame by say a couple of mm and it decides to move it 5 or >>whatever - very annoying and time wasting. > > Snap to grid (or snap to guidelines) has been suggested. I would guess > you can fix this for all new documents by saving a new "default > document", however if it is a per document setting there is no global > switch for it. I have a template document for the newsletter so will do it that way for that, but I suppose I will just have to try and remember it for other documents. Prefer the Impression way thou. > It would be possible to set up a script to turn on/off this setting for > all documents you loaded. Never done any scripting. > You can use the cursor keys whilst dragging for fine control. useful to know. > Then there's Mr. Crawford's excellent "nudge palette" applet. > > http://www.crawford-print.co.uk/downloads/nudge.zip > > There is also the "arrange" applet: > > http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/applets/files/arrnge.zip Both sound interesting and will investigate further these. > > My feeling about laying out frames, is that freehand usually turns out > to not be good enough. However doing things precisely (i.e. typing in > values) is more work. Everyone has there own method of working It was the fact the snap to grid was per document when I thought there was a global setting that caused most of the problems. > I usually end up wishing there was a way of typing in the location of > the right hand side of a frame. Same here at times. > >>Mail merging needs to be much improved > > Tell me, tell me... > > I appreciate your comments. Things only get better as a result of > criticisms. I feel a little guilty, since I was perhaps a little harsh, but was simply getting frustrated. I will have another go at mail merging but it does not seems as easy as with Impression - sorry. -- Chris Hughes -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jan 4 16:41:26 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EtOj2-32K000-04-1LQN."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 16:41:26 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EtOj2-32K000-04-1LQN; Mon, 02 Jan 2006 12:23:44 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EtOj2-32K000-04; Mon, 02 Jan 2006 12:23:44 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EtOj1-0007Di-VD; Mon, 02 Jan 2006 12:23:44 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EtOiz-00060W-3x; Mon, 02 Jan 2006 12:23:42 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EtOgj-0007Ql-8y for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Mon, 02 Jan 2006 12:21:21 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.90] (helo=anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EtOgj-0007QU-0x for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 02 Jan 2006 12:21:21 +0000 Received: from cumbrian.demon.co.uk ([62.49.24.36] helo=riscpc.cumbrian.demon.co.uk) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EtOgi-000P1k-8T for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 02 Jan 2006 12:21:20 +0000 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP and MP To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Chris Hughes X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 12:20:41 GMT Message-ID: <20cee7e24d.chris@cumbrian.demon.co.uk> References: <4dd9b6fc86nedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> <85723add4d.alan@ntlworld.com> <4ddd4d9774bric@f2s.com> <5f2c4add4d.alan@ntlworld.com> <4ddd53222fjohn@acornusers.org> <9e8751df4d.chris@cumbrian.demon.co.uk> <5eb30ae04d.janvred@smile.ch> <7SPc4HHxTcsDFwwI@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <7SPc4HHxTcsDFwwI@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.30b4 (MsgServe/3.10S) (RISC-OS/4.39) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <7SPc4HHxTcsDFwwI@pilling.demon.co.uk> David Pilling wrote: >>My advice: regularly take some time out to read manuals, even (and >>better) if only a few pages at a time. > > Hmm. people who fly aeroplanes are forced to sit down and read the > instructions every so often. > > However some would say that consumer software should be intuitive. I tend to agree. It should be possible to do many of the basic's if the software is intuitive, initially and use the manual for understanding more complex things in the software later. -- Chris Hughes -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jan 4 16:41:27 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EtOj5-1zVGPo-06-1Cto."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 16:41:27 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EtOj5-1zVGPo-06-1Cto; Mon, 02 Jan 2006 12:23:48 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EtOj5-1zVGPo-06; Mon, 02 Jan 2006 12:23:48 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EtOj5-0004LX-MX; Mon, 02 Jan 2006 12:23:47 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EtOyR-0000u8-Dr; Mon, 02 Jan 2006 12:39:41 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EtOgi-0007QG-H0 for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Mon, 02 Jan 2006 12:21:20 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.90] (helo=anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EtOgi-0007Q9-Be for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 02 Jan 2006 12:21:20 +0000 Received: from cumbrian.demon.co.uk ([62.49.24.36] helo=riscpc.cumbrian.demon.co.uk) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EtOgh-000P1k-9f for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 02 Jan 2006 12:21:20 +0000 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP and MP To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Chris Hughes X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 12:08:38 GMT Message-ID: <7cb3e6e24d.chris@cumbrian.demon.co.uk> References: <4dd9b6fc86nedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> <85723add4d.alan@ntlworld.com> <4ddd4d9774bric@f2s.com> <5f2c4add4d.alan@ntlworld.com> <4ddd53222fjohn@acornusers.org> <9e8751df4d.chris@cumbrian.demon.co.uk> <4ddf558b4acharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <669e58df4d.chris@cumbrian.demon.co.uk> <4ddf5b95d5charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4ddf5b95d5charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.30b4 (MsgServe/3.10S) (RISC-OS/4.39) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4ddf5b95d5charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> charles wrote: > In article <669e58df4d.chris@cumbrian.demon.co.uk>, > Chris Hughes wrote: >> > > [Snip] > >> Will look at this, but don't like this type of messing about. > > > so, if you wanted to print 50 copies of the document would you solemnly > clip the up arrow 49 times, or would you simply type 50 in the box? > Sometimes yes, actually I just hold the mouse button down and it rapidly increases the numbers so don't actually click (clip!) 49 times. -- Chris Hughes -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jan 4 16:41:44 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EtPs7-2JBknw-08-1Sno."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 16:41:44 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EtPs7-2JBknw-08-1Sno; Mon, 02 Jan 2006 13:37:12 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EtPs7-2JBknw-08; Mon, 02 Jan 2006 13:37:12 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EtPs7-0001Ea-HV; Mon, 02 Jan 2006 13:37:11 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EtQpD-0002Zi-AY; Mon, 02 Jan 2006 14:38:15 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EtPqG-0001AH-HN for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Mon, 02 Jan 2006 13:35:16 +0000 Received: from [195.7.228.20] (helo=snowstorm.hosts.ndo.com) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EtPqG-0001AA-8S for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 02 Jan 2006 13:35:16 +0000 Received: from 156.251-7-195.ippool.ndo.com ([195.7.251.156] helo=[192.168.2.2]) by snowstorm.hosts.ndo.com with esmtp (NDO SMTP Pool (Abuse to: abuse@ndo.com)) id 1EtPqF-0000HE-00 for ; Mon, 02 Jan 2006 13:35:15 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 13:35:14 +0000 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP and MP From: Mike Williams To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8886e6e24d.chris@cumbrian.demon.co.uk> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 2/1/06 12:06 pm, "Chris Hughes" wrote: > In message <4ddf633895chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> > Chris Johnson wrote: > >> In article <9e8751df4d.chris@cumbrian.demon.co.uk>, >> Chris Hughes wrote: >> >>> Too name two; I press enter between two existing paragraphs and it >>> decides to have a mind of its own, and move the paragraphs off the >>> page (if I have linked page/column sometimes to this) - simply not >>> acceptable in a professional program. >> >> Is this due to the fact that you are using the numeric keypad Enter, >> which has a different usage to the normal Enter. The keypad Enter >> specifically puts in a 'Page break', rather than a simple 'New line'. > > It would seem so, I was not even aware of the 'feature', now I am > still find it annoying, the 'Enter' key should be doing the same not > dependent on which one you press. Is there and option or way to turn > off this 'feature'. > I have refrained from entering this debate in detail until now. I think there are good reasons why the numeric keypad keys are distinguishable (at a low level) from the same keys on the main keyboard. OP is modelled on Quark Xpress, and both this software and Adobe InDesign on Macs and PCs use exactly the same 'feature'. It is Impression which is out of step. Of course, moving between OP and MP is always confusing. >> >>> Also the frames that refuse to go where I ask it too I want to >>> expand the frame by say a couple of mm and it decides to move it 5 >>> or whatever - very annoying and time wasting. >> >> You can turn on and off the features 'Lock to guidelines' and 'Snap >> to objects'. > > Hmm well yes this fixed it for a document by document basis (I have > recreated the original base document rather then use the imported > Impression document template - this seems to have made these options > work - no idea why - corruption maybe) but again would prefer a global > option available to turn it off, rather then having to remember each > time or do I have to create a new 'master default' document? > I have used OP extensively in the past. I have never been aware that frames snapped to a grid by default. I have checked now, and they don't. If they do, out of the box, there has to be some way of changing this globally. I seem to remember that if you load a default document and change any of its characteristics there is a way of saving this so that it becomes the global default in the future. In principle, snap to grid is better as a document option, not a global option. Again, InDesign and Quark Xpress behave this way. In conclusion, having used both Op/MP extensively in the past I agree that switching between the two can cause lots of problems. If you have a wealth of Impression documents it may well be better to keep these as they are. Conversion of Impression documents to OP works well provided you are aware of a small number of incompatibilities which always need to be checked manually. But if 80% conversion works correctly, I am happy to cope with the other 20% manually, if that seems the way to go. Mike Williams -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jan 4 16:42:13 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EtTtG-4bX000-03-17jd."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 16:42:13 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EtTtG-4bX000-03-17jd; Mon, 02 Jan 2006 17:54:39 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EtTtG-4bX000-03; Mon, 02 Jan 2006 17:54:39 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.35] (helo=smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EtTtG-0004K1-8N; Mon, 02 Jan 2006 17:54:38 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EtSyY-0000LG-1S; Mon, 02 Jan 2006 16:56:03 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EtTrb-0004ya-3n for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Mon, 02 Jan 2006 17:52:55 +0000 Received: from [212.187.204.18] (helo=zen.orpheusnet.co.uk) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EtTra-0004ti-Pn for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 02 Jan 2006 17:52:54 +0000 Received: from Iyonix.pnyoung.ormail.co.uk (dsl82-163-181-61.as15444.net [82.163.181.61]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k02HpuKc028187 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 17:51:56 GMT Subject: [softwarelist] Problem with old Ovation document. (RISC OS) To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Dr Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.11b1 Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 17:51:06 GMT Message-ID: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.10) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-orpheus-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-orpheus-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.096, required 5, autolearn=disabled, AWL 0.05, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.05) X-MailScanner-From: Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I still have quite a few old documents in Ovation as opposed to OPro format, and these usually load fine with the assistance of the Ovation1 applet. However, I needed to refer to a document today which required some fonts I usually don't have loaded, and this caused OPro to crash; sorry, I didn't note the contents of the error message prior to the crash. Subsequently, I find that if I drag the old file to FontDir Pro's icon bar icon to activate the missing fonts, the file loads fine. Is this a known problem? Is it worth pursuing for the sake of file-hoarders like me? :-) With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 Anne \ / __ __ \ England. and / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk family / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \______________ pnyoung@ormail.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jan 4 16:42:18 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EtUQN-0oUVbs-01-yg0."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 16:42:18 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EtUQN-0oUVbs-01-yg0; Mon, 02 Jan 2006 18:28:51 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EtUQN-0oUVbs-01; Mon, 02 Jan 2006 18:28:51 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EtUQM-0001FI-V6; Mon, 02 Jan 2006 18:28:51 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EtVNU-0002UQ-8m; Mon, 02 Jan 2006 19:29:56 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EtUOV-0008Q0-06 for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Mon, 02 Jan 2006 18:26:55 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.89] (helo=anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EtUOU-0008Pv-Nl for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 02 Jan 2006 18:26:54 +0000 Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([83.104.47.124]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EtUGq-000KMM-5C for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 02 Jan 2006 18:19:00 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 18:26:34 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP and MP Message-ID: <4de3094d60john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <8886e6e24d.chris@cumbrian.demon.co.uk> References: <4dd9b6fc86nedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> <85723add4d.alan@ntlworld.com> <4ddd4d9774bric@f2s.com> <5f2c4add4d.alan@ntlworld.com> <4ddd53222fjohn@acornusers.org> <9e8751df4d.chris@cumbrian.demon.co.uk> <4ddf633895chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <8886e6e24d.chris@cumbrian.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <8886e6e24d.chris@cumbrian.demon.co.uk>, Chris Hughes wrote: > In message <4ddf633895chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> > Chris Johnson wrote: > > In article <9e8751df4d.chris@cumbrian.demon.co.uk>, > > Chris Hughes wrote: > > > >> Too name two; I press enter between two existing paragraphs and it > >> decides to have a mind of its own, and move the paragraphs off the > >> page (if I have linked page/column sometimes to this) - simply not > >> acceptable in a professional program. > > > > Is this due to the fact that you are using the numeric keypad Enter, > > which has a different usage to the normal Enter. The keypad Enter > > specifically puts in a 'Page break', rather than a simple 'New line'. > It would seem so, I was not even aware of the 'feature', now I am > still find it annoying, the 'Enter' key should be doing the same not > dependent on which one you press. Is there and option or way to turn > off this 'feature'. I've always understood that the keyboard (far right) Enter key was expected to be different from the main area Return key. -- John Cartmell john@ followed by finnybank.com 0845 006 8822 Qercus magazine FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 www.finnybank.com Qercus - the best guide to RISC OS computing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jan 4 16:43:00 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EtlZt-1ftknw-01-1Wfa."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 16:43:00 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EtlZt-1ftknw-01-1Wfa; Tue, 03 Jan 2006 12:47:51 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EtlZt-1ftknw-01; Tue, 03 Jan 2006 12:47:51 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EtlZt-0000rg-4n; Tue, 03 Jan 2006 12:47:49 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EtmX5-0001Oa-PA; Tue, 03 Jan 2006 13:49:00 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EtlYP-0006Al-4U for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Tue, 03 Jan 2006 12:46:17 +0000 Received: from [81.103.221.47] (helo=mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EtlYO-0006AS-Iu for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 03 Jan 2006 12:46:16 +0000 Received: from aamta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060103124612.PMFC21883.mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 12:46:12 +0000 Received: from PC01 ([213.106.204.246]) by aamta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with SMTP id <20060103124612.CGJE13162.aamta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@PC01> for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 12:46:12 +0000 Message-ID: <003601c61063$aa213eb0$6401a8c0@PC01> From: "John Grogan" To: Subject: [softwarelist] Enter key for new page Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 12:46:04 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0033_01C61063.A8CC3600" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01C61063.A8CC3600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, David, Don't listen to the whingers! Having the Enter key to generate a page = break - or, more specifically, a frame break -is /really/ useful. It's = much more convenient and quicker than having to find Insert Page in a = menu, especially in multiple frame situations such as label generation. To those with problems moving/resizing frames: you have type-in-the-box, = snap to grid, free movement, nudging with arrow keys - all completely = interchangeably. The choice is yours - what more could you want?=20 It's silly anyway to expect all programs to behave in exactly the same = way - software would never evolve. If people didn't innovate, we'd = still be using command-line interfaces! You certainly shouldn't condemn = Ovation Pro because it has it's own ways of doing things. Happy New Year! John Grogan ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01C61063.A8CC3600 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello, David,
 
Don't listen to the whingers!  = Having the=20 Enter key to generate a page break - or, more specifically, a frame = break -is=20 /really/ useful.  It's much more convenient and quicker than having = to find=20 Insert Page in a menu, especially in multiple frame situations such as = label=20 generation.
 
To those with problems moving/resizing = frames: you=20 have type-in-the-box, snap to grid, free movement, nudging with arrow = keys - all=20 completely interchangeably.  The choice is yours - what = more could you=20 want? 
 
It's silly anyway to expect all = programs to behave=20 in exactly the same way - software would never evolve.  If people = didn't=20 innovate, we'd still be using command-line interfaces!  You = certainly=20 shouldn't condemn Ovation Pro because it has it's own ways of doing=20 things.
 
Happy New Year!
John Grogan
------=_NextPart_000_0033_01C61063.A8CC3600-- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jan 4 16:43:03 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EtmB2-0Y7000-05-1W4R."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 16:43:03 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EtmB2-0Y7000-05-1W4R; Tue, 03 Jan 2006 13:26:14 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EtmB2-0Y7000-05; Tue, 03 Jan 2006 13:26:14 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EtmB2-0001jz-OG; Tue, 03 Jan 2006 13:26:12 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EtmB0-00004q-Gj; Tue, 03 Jan 2006 13:26:11 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Etm9B-0003BJ-Hw for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Tue, 03 Jan 2006 13:24:17 +0000 Received: from [195.188.213.7] (helo=smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Etm9B-0003Ax-88 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 03 Jan 2006 13:24:17 +0000 Received: from Iyonix ([82.34.222.136]) by smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Tue, 3 Jan 2006 13:25:15 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John M Ward To: Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 13:26:07 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Enter key for new page Message-ID: <4de371a15bjohn@acornusers.org> In-Reply-To: <003601c61063$aa213eb0$6401a8c0@PC01> References: <003601c61063$aa213eb0$6401a8c0@PC01> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03j (RISC-OS/5.10) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jan 2006 13:25:15.0592 (UTC) FILETIME=[22130480:01C61069] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <003601c61063$aa213eb0$6401a8c0@PC01>, John Grogan wrote: > Hello, David, > Don't listen to the whingers! Having the Enter key to generate a > page break - or, more specifically, a frame break -is /really/ > useful. It certainly is, once one knows about it -- as with all things, of course. > It's much more convenient and quicker than having to > find Insert Page in a menu, especially in multiple frame > situations such as label generation. Don't forget Ctrl-P... > To those with problems moving/resizing frames: you have > type-in-the-box, snap to grid, free movement, nudging with arrow > keys - all completely interchangeably. The choice is yours - > what more could you want? I have never had any significant problems with any of those methods, as and when each is the most appropriate method at the time. If I were going to make a change it would be to specify where dialogue boxes would open (a bit like the "save position" options in Pluto and Organizer, for example) so that they aren't in the middle. That would stop them covering up the ruler one is trying to edit, for one thing, and -- for those of us with Gemini or Viewfinder dual-head displays -- avoid having them straddling the dual-bezel gap in the display(!) > It's silly anyway to expect all programs to behave in exactly the > same way - software would never evolve. If people didn't > innovate, we'd still be using command-line interfaces! You > certainly shouldn't condemn Ovation Pro because it has it's own > ways of doing things. ...or even "its own ways" ;-) -- John Ward in Medway, Kent - using RISC OS since 1987 Now using an Iyonix, an A9home, 2 RiscPCs and Virtual-RPC! Acorn/RISC OS web page: www.john-ward.org.uk/personal/john/computers Read my "Councilling RISC OS" series in Qercus, from Issue 276 onward -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jan 4 16:43:47 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Etsd9-06D000-03-1H5o."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 16:43:47 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Etsd9-06D000-03-1H5o; Tue, 03 Jan 2006 20:19:40 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Etsd9-06D000-03; Tue, 03 Jan 2006 20:19:40 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.35] (helo=smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Etsd9-0001RB-NT; Tue, 03 Jan 2006 20:19:39 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EtriQ-0004i6-BP; Tue, 03 Jan 2006 19:21:03 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EtsbD-0004po-Ry for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Tue, 03 Jan 2006 20:17:39 +0000 Received: from [193.252.22.158] (helo=smtp1.freeserve.com) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EtsbD-0004pX-Fm for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 03 Jan 2006 20:17:39 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3001.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 34DFE1C000E6 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 21:17:39 +0100 (CET) Received: from rpc (user-3508.l3.c3.dsl.pol.co.uk [81.79.77.180]) by mwinf3001.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 9C6BC1C000E4 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 21:17:38 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20060103201738640.9C6BC1C000E4@mwinf3001.me.freeserve.com Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 20:17:35 GMT From: Alan Adams To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Enter key for new page Message-ID: <274d97e34d.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> References: <4de371a15bjohn@acornusers.org> In-Reply-To: <4de371a15bjohn@acornusers.org> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4de371a15bjohn@acornusers.org> you wrote: > In article <003601c61063$aa213eb0$6401a8c0@PC01>, > John Grogan wrote: > > Hello, David, > > > Don't listen to the whingers! Having the Enter key to generate a > > page break - or, more specifically, a frame break -is /really/ > > useful. > > It certainly is, once one knows about it -- as with all things, of > course. > > > It's much more convenient and quicker than having to > > find Insert Page in a menu, especially in multiple frame > > situations such as label generation. I didn't realise it could do this. I usually use ctrl-P. > > Don't forget Ctrl-P... > > > To those with problems moving/resizing frames: you have > > type-in-the-box, snap to grid, free movement, nudging with arrow > > keys - all completely interchangeably. The choice is yours - > > what more could you want? > > I have never had any significant problems with any of those methods, > as and when each is the most appropriate method at the time. If I > were going to make a change it would be to specify where dialogue > boxes would open (a bit like the "save position" options in Pluto > and Organizer, for example) so that they aren't in the middle. I think that specific one can be controlled. The ruler is displayed just below the highlighted piece of text. Highlight something at the top, and then the box doesn't cover the ruler. > That would stop them covering up the ruler one is trying to edit, > for one thing, and -- for those of us with Gemini or Viewfinder > dual-head displays -- avoid having them straddling the dual-bezel > gap in the display(!) > > > It's silly anyway to expect all programs to behave in exactly the > > same way - software would never evolve. If people didn't > > innovate, we'd still be using command-line interfaces! You > > certainly shouldn't condemn Ovation Pro because it has it's own > > ways of doing things. > > ...or even "its own ways" ;-) > -- Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jan 4 16:43:51 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EtskL-1hMGPo-04-1Gyc."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 16:43:51 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EtskL-1hMGPo-04-1Gyc; Tue, 03 Jan 2006 20:27:06 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EtskL-1hMGPo-04; Tue, 03 Jan 2006 20:27:06 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EtskL-0005fr-C8; Tue, 03 Jan 2006 20:27:05 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1Etszh-0008EN-HE; Tue, 03 Jan 2006 20:42:59 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EtsiV-0006JM-Qh for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Tue, 03 Jan 2006 20:25:11 +0000 Received: from [81.103.221.48] (helo=mta08-winn.ispmail.ntl.com) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EtsiV-0006JF-HW for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 03 Jan 2006 20:25:11 +0000 Received: from aamta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mta08-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060103202511.XPCY17804.mta08-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 20:25:11 +0000 Received: from trapdoor.kaijaks.co.uk ([86.20.165.88]) by aamta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060103202511.LDFQ13162.aamta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@trapdoor.kaijaks.co.uk> for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 20:25:11 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.101] (unknown [192.168.1.101]) by trapdoor.kaijaks.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id F180A1727C for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 20:25:06 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <43BADDB3.3060000@kaijaks.co.uk> Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 20:25:23 +0000 From: Nick Kaijaks User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Enter key for new page References: <003601c61063$aa213eb0$6401a8c0@PC01> In-Reply-To: <003601c61063$aa213eb0$6401a8c0@PC01> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT,X_ACCEPT_LANG autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) John Grogan wrote: > It's silly anyway to expect all programs to behave in exactly the same > way - software would never evolve. If people didn't innovate, we'd > still be using command-line interfaces! You certainly shouldn't condemn > Ovation Pro because it has it's own ways of doing things. All this talk of intuition has been interesting. Intuition in user-interface design depends entirely on the individual user's previous experiences. At one level, we talk about intuition by reference to 'familiar' metaphors - both visual (eg desktops, folders etc) and conceptual (eg decoupage gives cut and paste). This is fairly reasonable, but does still presume familiarity with traditional office environments. However, there's really nothing intrinsically 'intuitive' about picking keyboard shortcuts - for instance the choice of the Apple HCI team to settle on Cmd-X, C and V as shortcuts for cut, copy and paste was expedient (due to their closeness in the QWERTY layout), and memorable (since you can use the mnemonics of 'X' looking like an open pair of scissors, and 'C' as the first letter). But intuitive? I'm not so sure it applies. For my 2p, I've always thought the 'Enter' shortcut in OPro for frame-break was appropriate - like a souped-up version of 'Return'. Interestingly enough, Adobe InDesign uses 'Enter' similarly for column and frame breaks. Happy new year to all! Best, Nick -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jan 4 16:44:01 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EtvS4-0aNknw-05-15kN."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 16:44:01 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EtvS4-0aNknw-05-15kN; Tue, 03 Jan 2006 23:20:25 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EtvS4-0aNknw-05; Tue, 03 Jan 2006 23:20:25 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EtvS4-0006O4-P8; Tue, 03 Jan 2006 23:20:24 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EtwPK-0004cp-Cl; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 00:21:38 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EtvPo-0005Tt-TO for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Tue, 03 Jan 2006 23:18:04 +0000 Received: from [212.187.204.26] (helo=slave.orpheusnet.co.uk) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EtvPo-0005RN-Io for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 03 Jan 2006 23:18:04 +0000 Received: from Ionyx. (dsl82-163-125-171.as15444.net [82.163.125.171]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k03NGtF6019594 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 23:16:55 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Harrison To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 23:16:18 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Enter key for new page Message-ID: <4de3a7a9cbjohn@jaharrison.me.uk> In-Reply-To: <43BADDB3.3060000@kaijaks.co.uk> References: <003601c61063$aa213eb0$6401a8c0@PC01> <43BADDB3.3060000@kaijaks.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.10) Content-Type: text/plain X-orpheus-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-orpheus-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.019, required 5, autolearn=disabled, AWL 0.02) X-MailScanner-From: Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > the choice of the Apple HCI team to > settle on Cmd-X, C and V as shortcuts for cut, copy and paste was > expedient (due to their closeness in the QWERTY layout), and memorable > (since you can use the mnemonics of 'X' looking like an open pair of > scissors, and 'C' as the first letter). But intuitive? afia the use of the key trio XCV for editing shortcuts was established before the clipboard metaphore became common. The three operations were then: Cut (= delete altogether), Copy (= copy to the selected destination in the text) Move (= move to the selected destination in the text) I suspect that X was not originally the scissors analogy, but represented 'crossing out. C for Copy is OK and V is the third letter of Move. The Cut Copy Move model is still used by some text editors, for example it was the default in !Edit and still is in !StrongEd, though I have customised it to be the other way round. John -- John Harrison - using a British Iyonix PC running RISC-OS5 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jan 4 16:44:08 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Eu1um-0Z3GPo-07-ql9."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 16:44:08 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Eu1um-0Z3GPo-07-ql9; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 06:14:28 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Eu1um-0Z3GPo-07; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 06:14:28 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Eu1um-00016j-20; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 06:14:28 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1Eu0oy-0004v1-Iz; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 05:04:25 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Eu1t0-0006u2-L2 for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 06:12:38 +0000 Received: from [212.74.114.37] (helo=mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Eu1t0-0006tw-DX for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 06:12:38 +0000 Received: from 88-105-189-241.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com) ([88.105.189.241]) by mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 04 Jan 2006 06:12:37 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AI8CAGbvukOCFIU2AQ Received: from 88-105-189-241.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.105.189.241]:10008 helo=dave.nom) by mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Eu1sz-000GV3-Jd for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 06:12:37 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 06:10:47 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Enter key for new page Message-ID: <4de3cd9c46dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4de3a7a9cbjohn@jaharrison.me.uk> References: <003601c61063$aa213eb0$6401a8c0@PC01> <43BADDB3.3060000@kaijaks.co.uk> <4de3a7a9cbjohn@jaharrison.me.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4de3a7a9cbjohn@jaharrison.me.uk>, John Harrison wrote: > afia the use of the key trio XCV for editing shortcuts was established > before the clipboard metaphore became common. The three operations were > then: > Cut (= delete altogether), > Copy (= copy to the selected destination in the text) > Move (= move to the selected destination in the text) > I suspect that X was not originally the scissors analogy, but represented > 'crossing out. C for Copy is OK and V is the third letter of Move. > The Cut Copy Move model is still used by some text editors, for example > it was the default in !Edit and still is in !StrongEd, though I have > customised it to be the other way round. > John Mmmnnn! indeedy but. Ctrl-X for Scissors, Xcise etc yes understandable, Ctrl-C for Cut, Copy, yes. But Ctrl-V for Paste or whatever you might want to call it, has no logic, except that C and V are next to each other on the Keyboard. In light of what the operation does it should be Ctrl-P or Ctrl-M. At least in Win PC land, they generally use Ctrl-S for Save. Unlike here where it's generally used to change Case... can't see the logic in that either. While I'm asking, I have no idea what keys are use to change Case in PC land, any takers on that one? Cheers Dave S -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jan 4 16:44:13 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Eu3DJ-4RCknw-08-16Ve."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 16:44:13 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Eu3DJ-4RCknw-08-16Ve; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 07:37:41 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Eu3DJ-4RCknw-08; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 07:37:41 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.35] (helo=smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Eu3DJ-0001gM-7p; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 07:37:41 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1Eu2IZ-0006nF-Gx; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 06:39:04 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Eu3Br-0000gu-3P for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 07:36:11 +0000 Received: from [212.74.114.37] (helo=mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Eu3Bq-0000gl-Sl for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 07:36:10 +0000 Received: from 88-105-189-241.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com) ([88.105.189.241]) by mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 04 Jan 2006 07:36:10 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AI8CAJcEu0OCFIU1AQ Received: from 88-105-189-241.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.105.189.241]:10183 helo=dave.nom) by mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Eu38r-000IE7-Cx for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 07:33:05 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 07:37:23 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Enter key for new page Message-ID: <4de3d58a0ddfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4de3cd9c46dfs@ukgateway.net> References: <003601c61063$aa213eb0$6401a8c0@PC01> <43BADDB3.3060000@kaijaks.co.uk> <4de3a7a9cbjohn@jaharrison.me.uk> <4de3cd9c46dfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 04 Jan, dfs@ukgateway.net wrote: > While I'm asking, I have no idea what keys are use to change Case in PC > land, any takers on that one? > Cheers > Dave S To clarify (That's a PaintShop Pro option)...But seriously. I do know that Ctrl-Shift-S in Win OvPro changes case, I'm interested in what other Win WPs and suchlike use. Dave S -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jan 4 16:44:16 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Eu4OQ-4TLVbs-03-1Dr3."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 16:44:16 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Eu4OQ-4TLVbs-03-1Dr3; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 08:53:15 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Eu4OQ-4TLVbs-03; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 08:53:15 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Eu4OQ-0004Of-Pi; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 08:53:14 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1Eu4ON-0005K2-EO; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 08:53:12 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Eu4Mw-0000pM-Kd for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 08:51:42 +0000 Received: from [212.159.14.133] (helo=pih-relay06.plus.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Eu4Mw-0000pD-DJ for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 08:51:42 +0000 Received: from [80.229.238.131] (helo=ascension) by pih-relay06.plus.net with smtp (Exim) id 1Eu4Mr-0005bM-Tk for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 08:51:38 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ned Abell To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 08:50:09 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Enter key for new page Message-ID: <4de3dc33a9nedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <4de3cd9c46dfs@ukgateway.net> References: <003601c61063$aa213eb0$6401a8c0@PC01> <43BADDB3.3060000@kaijaks.co.uk> <4de3a7a9cbjohn@jaharrison.me.uk> <4de3cd9c46dfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 04 Jan, Dave Symes wrote: > Mmmnnn! indeedy but. > Ctrl-X for Scissors, Xcise etc yes understandable, > Ctrl-C for Cut, Copy, yes. > But Ctrl-V for Paste or whatever you might want to call it, > has no logic, except that C and V are next to each other on > the Keyboard. Ive always thought of it as an "insert" at the caret (like a downward facing arrow). -- besters.. Ned === North Worcestershire UK skype:nedabell -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jan 4 16:44:20 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Eu4fz-3xs000-07-152y."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 16:44:20 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Eu4fz-3xs000-07-152y; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 09:11:23 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Eu4fz-3xs000-07; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 09:11:23 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Eu4fz-0002zp-19; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 09:11:23 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1Eu4fx-0006T4-Nz; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 09:11:22 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Eu4ea-0002p2-Sx for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 09:09:56 +0000 Received: from [62.241.163.6] (helo=astro.systems.pipex.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Eu4ea-0002ou-HS for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 09:09:56 +0000 Received: from RiscPC (81-178-250-103.dsl.pipex.com [81.178.250.103]) by astro.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F9A5E0001C5 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 09:09:56 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 07:55:21 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Enter key for new page Message-ID: <4de3d72f2csteve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> In-Reply-To: <4de3cd9c46dfs@ukgateway.net> References: <003601c61063$aa213eb0$6401a8c0@PC01> <43BADDB3.3060000@kaijaks.co.uk> <4de3a7a9cbjohn@jaharrison.me.uk> <4de3cd9c46dfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/2.05-a1 (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.04-pre2 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 04 Jan, Dave Symes wrote: > Mmmnnn! indeedy but. > Ctrl-X for Scissors, Xcise etc yes understandable, > Ctrl-C for Cut, Copy, yes. > But Ctrl-V for Paste or whatever you might want to call it, has no logic, > except that C and V are next to each other on the Keyboard. Think of it as an arrow pointing down at the paper (so I was told) > In light of what the operation does it should be Ctrl-P or Ctrl-M. > At least in Win PC land, they generally use Ctrl-S for Save. Unlike here > where it's generally used to change Case... can't see the logic in that > either. Swap case. I've never seen the logic in some PC based shortcuts either, and don't get me started on items like vi (X) [1] > While I'm asking, I have no idea what keys are use to change Case in PC > land, any takers on that one? [1] OK, I've started - vi is evil. -- Steve Pampling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jan 4 16:44:30 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Eu5oL-1O5000-08-1Kxe."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 16:44:30 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Eu5oL-1O5000-08-1Kxe; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 10:24:07 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Eu5oL-1O5000-08; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 10:24:07 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Eu5oL-0004OQ-QA; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 10:24:05 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1Eu5oK-00047M-Dw; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 10:24:05 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Eu5mv-0005oF-V8 for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 10:22:37 +0000 Received: from [212.187.204.26] (helo=slave.orpheusnet.co.uk) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Eu5mv-0005iW-I7 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 10:22:37 +0000 Received: from Ionyx. (dsl82-163-180-118.as15444.net [82.163.180.118]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k04AKcH0030789 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 10:20:39 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Harrison To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 10:11:25 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Enter key for new page Message-ID: <4de3e3a450john@jaharrison.me.uk> In-Reply-To: <4de3cd9c46dfs@ukgateway.net> References: <003601c61063$aa213eb0$6401a8c0@PC01> <43BADDB3.3060000@kaijaks.co.uk> <4de3a7a9cbjohn@jaharrison.me.uk> <4de3cd9c46dfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.10) Content-Type: text/plain X-orpheus-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-orpheus-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.018, required 5, autolearn=disabled, AWL 0.02) X-MailScanner-From: Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > > The Cut Copy Move model ... > But Ctrl-V for Paste or whatever you might want to call it, has no logic, My point was that in the earlier model, there was no concept of 'paste', because there was no clipboard. The non destructive actions were either to copy or to *move* the selected text to the insertion point. Mnemonics don't have to use the initial letter - look at a PC for lots of examples. V for move is easy enough to learn, because it is the terminal sound. Then when the clipboard came along, XCV were re-used. John -- John Harrison - using a British Iyonix PC running RISC-OS5 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jan 4 16:44:48 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Eu7sZ-0RdVbs-05-1AMu."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 16:44:48 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Eu7sZ-0RdVbs-05-1AMu; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 12:36:36 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Eu7sZ-0RdVbs-05; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 12:36:36 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Eu7sZ-0007MU-06; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 12:36:35 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1Eu7wm-0005Jk-3W; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 12:40:57 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Eu7q9-0005cX-3i for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 12:34:05 +0000 Received: from [80.168.70.141] (helo=relay1.mail.uk.clara.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Eu7q8-0005cS-Qg for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 12:34:04 +0000 Received: from adsl-2-solo-236-47.claranet.co.uk ([80.168.236.47] helo=Iyonix.clara.co.uk) by relay1.mail.uk.clara.net with esmtp (Exim 4.46) id 1Eu7q8-0002Sn-Hw for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 12:34:04 +0000 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Enter key for new page To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: charles X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 12:34:07 GMT Message-ID: References: <43BADDB3.3060000@kaijaks.co.uk> <4de3a7a9cbjohn@jaharrison.me.uk> <4de3cd9c46dfs@ukgateway.net> <4de3e3a450john@jaharrison.me.uk> In-Reply-To: <4de3e3a450john@jaharrison.me.uk> X-Organization: home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.10) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Ctrl -V where V = vire as in transfer or move ? Tortuous mnemonic .... -- Charles tel 020 8949 0708 / mob 079 5620 0176/ fax 087 1243 9075 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jan 4 16:44:54 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Eu90t-0aTGPo-06-19Ea."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 16:44:54 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Eu90t-0aTGPo-06-19Ea; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 13:49:16 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Eu90t-0aTGPo-06; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 13:49:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Eu90t-0005DK-2M; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 13:49:15 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1Eu9GF-0000TK-3e; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 14:05:08 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Eu8zQ-0001je-4I for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 13:47:44 +0000 Received: from [62.241.163.7] (helo=blaster.systems.pipex.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Eu8zP-0001jT-Ry for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 13:47:43 +0000 Received: from MARSDEN9.btinternet.com (81-86-166-106.dsl.pipex.com [81.86.166.106]) by blaster.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E77AE00022A for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 13:47:42 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <6.0.3.0.2.20060104133535.01e3a790@mail.btinternet.com> X-Sender: phillip.marsden@mail.btinternet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.3.0 Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 13:39:25 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Phillip Marsden Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Enter key for new page In-Reply-To: <4de3d72f2csteve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> References: <003601c61063$aa213eb0$6401a8c0@PC01> <43BADDB3.3060000@kaijaks.co.uk> <4de3a7a9cbjohn@jaharrison.me.uk> <4de3cd9c46dfs@ukgateway.net> <4de3d72f2csteve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-69F24D8 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) At 07:55 04/01/2006, Steven Pampling wrote: >[snip] >I've never seen the logic in some PC based shortcuts either, and don't get >me started on items like vi (X) [1] > > > While I'm asking, I have no idea what keys are use to change Case in PC > > land, any takers on that one? > > >[1] OK, I've started - vi is evil. Leave vi alone - she is lovely! You have to remember where vi originated. Could you run StrongEd or Zap or Emacs on a printing teletype running at 300 baud? Horses for courses. -- Regards, Phillip Marsden. phillip.marsden@btinternet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.12/220 - Release Date: 03/01/2006 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jan 4 16:44:54 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Eu91m-3Wi000-03-1HkD."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 16:44:54 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Eu91m-3Wi000-03-1HkD; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 13:50:11 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Eu91m-3Wi000-03; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 13:50:11 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Eu91l-00017l-RQ; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 13:50:09 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1Eu91i-0004Kk-J1; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 13:50:07 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Eu8zQ-0001jm-7B for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 13:47:44 +0000 Received: from [62.241.163.7] (helo=blaster.systems.pipex.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Eu8zQ-0001jZ-0T for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 13:47:44 +0000 Received: from MARSDEN9.btinternet.com (81-86-166-106.dsl.pipex.com [81.86.166.106]) by blaster.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2F9AE0002C3 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 13:47:43 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <6.0.3.0.2.20060104134036.01e15fd8@mail.btinternet.com> X-Sender: phillip.marsden@mail.btinternet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.3.0 Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 13:43:58 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Phillip Marsden Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Enter key for new page In-Reply-To: <4de3e3a450john@jaharrison.me.uk> References: <003601c61063$aa213eb0$6401a8c0@PC01> <43BADDB3.3060000@kaijaks.co.uk> <4de3a7a9cbjohn@jaharrison.me.uk> <4de3cd9c46dfs@ukgateway.net> <4de3e3a450john@jaharrison.me.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-69F24D8 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) At 10:11 04/01/2006, John Harrison wrote: > > > The Cut Copy Move model ... > > > But Ctrl-V for Paste or whatever you might want to call it, has no logic, > >My point was that in the earlier model, there was no concept of 'paste', >because there was no clipboard. The non destructive actions were either to >copy or to *move* the selected text to the insertion point. Mnemonics >don't have to use the initial letter - look at a PC for lots of examples. >V for move is easy enough to learn, because it is the terminal sound. > >Then when the clipboard came along, XCV were re-used. But in pre-GUI editors such as vi there were buffers. If I remember correctly there were up to 26 buffers. The problem was remembering what you had put in each of them. :o) The clipboard is simply another version of a buffer. -- Regards, Phillip Marsden. phillip.marsden@btinternet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.12/220 - Release Date: 03/01/2006 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jan 4 16:45:02 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Eu9H9-02Aknw-03-1pau."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 16:45:02 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Eu9H9-02Aknw-03-1pau; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 14:06:05 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Eu9H9-02Aknw-03; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 14:06:05 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Eu9H9-0000Km-6q; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 14:06:03 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1Eu9H7-0008A2-9Z; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 14:06:02 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Eu9D5-0003Qk-6P for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 14:01:51 +0000 Received: from [195.12.4.238] (helo=smtp01.altohiway.com) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Eu9D4-0003QC-SU for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 14:01:50 +0000 Received: from websrv.quantel.com (quantel-gw.hiway.co.uk [195.12.20.34] (may be forged)) by smtp01.altohiway.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k04E1h7U015097 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 14:01:43 GMT In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.2.20060104133535.01e3a790@mail.btinternet.com> To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Enter key for new page MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 14:02:22 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > >[1] OK, I've started - vi is evil. > > Leave vi alone - she is lovely! > > You have to remember where vi originated. Could you run StrongEd or Zap or > Emacs on a printing teletype running at 300 baud? > You couldn't run vi on a teletype either. That was ed .... ;-) I spent several years writing software using vi and got to know it intimately, but haven't used if for maybe 10 years. Recently a colleague was forced to use vi and needed to do something more than just insert and delete. Somehow my fingers just "knew" what to do. Andy Ling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jan 4 16:45:14 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EuAii-2WrGPo-01-qTj."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 16:45:14 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EuAii-2WrGPo-01-qTj; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 15:38:37 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EuAii-2WrGPo-01; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 15:38:37 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EuAii-00024H-HC; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 15:38:36 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EuAmw-0008E8-Ow; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 15:43:00 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EuAhD-00046R-Mi for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 15:37:03 +0000 Received: from [62.241.162.32] (helo=ranger.systems.pipex.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EuAhD-00046A-06 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 15:37:03 +0000 Received: from MARSDEN9.btinternet.com (81-86-166-106.dsl.pipex.com [81.86.166.106]) by ranger.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C3A2E0001CC for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 15:37:02 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <6.0.3.0.2.20060104151659.01d5c760@mail.btinternet.com> X-Sender: phillip.marsden@mail.btinternet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.3.0 Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 15:27:38 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Phillip Marsden Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Enter key for new page In-Reply-To: References: <6.0.3.0.2.20060104133535.01e3a790@mail.btinternet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-395B51B6 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) At 14:02 04/01/2006, Andy.Ling@Quantel.Com wrote: > > >[1] OK, I've started - vi is evil. > > > > Leave vi alone - she is lovely! > > > > You have to remember where vi originated. Could you run StrongEd or Zap >or > > Emacs on a printing teletype running at 300 baud? > > > >You couldn't run vi on a teletype either. That was ed .... ;-) So it was. The memory dims with age. :o( Then when the "glass teletypes" came along, ed was extended into vi "Visual Interactive" - still at 300 baud. As I understand it, ed was the command-line of vi, invoked with a ":". >I spent several years writing software using vi and got to know >it intimately, but haven't used if for maybe 10 years. Recently >a colleague was forced to use vi and needed to do something more >than just insert and delete. Somehow my fingers just "knew" what >to do. Like many things, it just needs a little practice. I could never be bothered *really* learning anything but vi. It has always stood me in good stead *for that type of work*. -- Regards, Phillip Marsden. phillip.marsden@btinternet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.12/220 - Release Date: 03/01/2006 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jan 4 16:45:14 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EuAkd-2EYknw-06-1OXs."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 16:45:14 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EuAkd-2EYknw-06-1OXs; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 15:40:36 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EuAkd-2EYknw-06; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 15:40:36 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EuAkd-0007Yr-0d; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 15:40:35 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EuAzy-0001xL-Ps; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 15:56:28 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EuAjD-0004RZ-D2 for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 15:39:07 +0000 Received: from [62.24.128.69] (helo=smtp-2.opaltelecom.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EuAjD-0004RQ-4L for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 15:39:07 +0000 Received: from [84.13.16.85] (helo=RiscPC.talktalk.net) by smtp-2.opaltelecom.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1EuAjC-0006t2-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 15:39:06 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: David H Wild To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 15:38:43 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Enter key for new page Message-ID: <4de4019b75dhwild@talktalk.net> In-Reply-To: References: <6.0.3.0.2.20060104133535.01e3a790@mail.btinternet.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.37) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , wrote: > > You have to remember where vi originated. Could you run StrongEd or > > Zap or Emacs on a printing teletype running at 300 baud? > > > You couldn't run vi on a teletype either. That was ed .... ;-) ed was described by Jerry Pournelle in "Byte" as a program which comes free with DOS and is still overpriced. -- David Wild using RISC OS on broadband -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jan 4 16:45:22 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EuBb7-1XOGPo-04-16eM."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 16:45:22 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EuBb7-1XOGPo-04-16eM; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 16:34:50 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EuBb7-1XOGPo-04; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 16:34:50 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.35] (helo=smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EuBb6-00001i-UK; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 16:34:49 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EuAgL-0003dq-Nx; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 15:36:11 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EuBZd-0005DV-PW for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 16:33:17 +0000 Received: from [62.241.162.32] (helo=ranger.systems.pipex.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EuBZd-0005DJ-BO for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 16:33:17 +0000 Received: from MARSDEN9.btinternet.com (81-86-166-106.dsl.pipex.com [81.86.166.106]) by ranger.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EC4EE0000F0 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 16:33:16 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <6.0.3.0.2.20060104162521.01e10998@mail.btinternet.com> X-Sender: phillip.marsden@mail.btinternet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.3.0 Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 16:33:29 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Phillip Marsden Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Enter key for new page In-Reply-To: <4de4019b75dhwild@talktalk.net> References: <6.0.3.0.2.20060104133535.01e3a790@mail.btinternet.com> <4de4019b75dhwild@talktalk.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-373E686 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) At 15:38 04/01/2006, David H Wild wrote: >In article >, > wrote: > > > You have to remember where vi originated. Could you run StrongEd or > > > Zap or Emacs on a printing teletype running at 300 baud? > > > > > > You couldn't run vi on a teletype either. That was ed .... ;-) > >ed was described by Jerry Pournelle in "Byte" as a program which comes free >with DOS and is still overpriced. I can remember 'edlin' and 'editor' for DOS. After a quick Google I found http://snap.nlc.dcccd.edu/learn/nlc/ed.html which gives a history of ed, ex/vi which were all for Unix. ed was written in 1969, some 13 years before DOS. Jerry Pournelle had his view, but it has to be remembered that editors had to start somewhere and be suitable for the hardware of the time. -- Regards, Phillip Marsden. phillip.marsden@btinternet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.12/220 - Release Date: 03/01/2006 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jan 4 18:29:22 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EuDIp-2jO000-06-14we."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 18:29:22 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EuDIp-2jO000-06-14we; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 18:24:04 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EuDIp-2jO000-06; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 18:24:04 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EuDIp-00011n-4k; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 18:24:03 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EuDN2-0000Hh-Ua; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 18:28:26 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EuDHN-0007nG-7k for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 18:22:33 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.86] (helo=anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EuDHM-0007nA-RU for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 18:22:32 +0000 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EuDHM-00085k-KM for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 18:22:32 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 18:21:12 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP and MP References: <4dd9b6fc86nedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> <85723add4d.alan@ntlworld.com> <4ddd4d9774bric@f2s.com> <5f2c4add4d.alan@ntlworld.com> <4ddd53222fjohn@acornusers.org> <9e8751df4d.chris@cumbrian.demon.co.uk> <4ddf633895chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <8886e6e24d.chris@cumbrian.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <8886e6e24d.chris@cumbrian.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >It would seem so, I was not even aware of the 'feature', now I am >still find it annoying, the 'Enter' key should be doing the same not >dependent on which one you press. Is there and option or way to turn >off this 'feature'. Define a key macro for Enter of: {'Return} nb the single quote in there. Interestingly on Windows there is no easy way of distinguishing Enter (keypad) from Return. So I've adopted Ctrl+Return for new page (Ctrl P is standardised as Print on Windows). If you want to copy this on RISC OS you could have another key macro for Ctrl+Return of: {'Enter} -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jan 4 18:29:23 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EuDKl-1YLGPo-02-1d0m."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 18:29:23 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EuDKl-1YLGPo-02-1d0m; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 18:26:04 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EuDKl-1YLGPo-02; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 18:26:04 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EuDKk-0004Be-S7; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 18:26:02 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EuDKi-0005gV-O0; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 18:26:01 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EuDJK-00083y-AN for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 18:24:34 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.86] (helo=anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EuDJK-00083s-6H for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 18:24:34 +0000 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EuDJJ-0008Q9-Ly for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 18:24:34 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 18:23:05 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP and MP References: <4dd9b6fc86nedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> <85723add4d.alan@ntlworld.com> <4ddd4d9774bric@f2s.com> <5f2c4add4d.alan@ntlworld.com> <4ddd53222fjohn@acornusers.org> <9e8751df4d.chris@cumbrian.demon.co.uk> <4ddf558b4acharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <669e58df4d.chris@cumbrian.demon.co.uk> <4ddf5b95d5charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <7cb3e6e24d.chris@cumbrian.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <7cb3e6e24d.chris@cumbrian.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Sometimes yes, actually I just hold the mouse button down and it >rapidly increases the numbers so don't actually click (clip!) 49 >times. ISTR that on OP there is a feature that holding down shift whilst clicking makes things go 10 x as fast. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jan 4 18:29:24 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EuDMf-3wt000-05-1USM."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 18:29:24 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EuDMf-3wt000-05-1USM; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 18:28:02 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EuDMf-3wt000-05; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 18:28:02 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EuDMf-0002RP-Lm; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 18:28:01 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EuDc1-00070N-HI; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 18:43:55 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EuDLH-0008Po-EY for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 18:26:35 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.91] (helo=anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EuDLH-0008Ph-A4 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 18:26:35 +0000 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EuDLG-00026K-Ci for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 18:26:35 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 18:25:27 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Problem with old Ovation document. (RISC OS) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >However, I needed to refer to a document today which required some >fonts I usually don't have loaded, and this caused OPro to crash; Hmm. it should put up a message asking what you want to do about missing fonts? I say that because the message is not the usual one, it is something the O1 loader does itself and the options are different to usual. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jan 4 18:59:23 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EuDnz-0PBGPo-01-1LUW."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 18:59:23 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EuDnz-0PBGPo-01-1LUW; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 18:56:15 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EuDnz-0PBGPo-01; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 18:56:15 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EuDny-0007iV-US; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 18:56:15 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EuDsD-0004P5-B6; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 19:00:38 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EuDmc-0005TC-O1 for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 18:54:50 +0000 Received: from [195.12.4.238] (helo=smtp01.altohiway.com) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EuDmc-0005T6-Fp for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 18:54:50 +0000 Received: from websrv.quantel.com (quantel-gw.hiway.co.uk [195.12.20.34] (may be forged)) by smtp01.altohiway.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k04IsjhX024430 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 18:54:46 GMT In-Reply-To: To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP and MP MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 18:55:26 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > Interestingly on Windows there is no easy way of distinguishing Enter > (keypad) from Return. It must be possible, because emacs can tell the difference. You can map or as different keys. Also Sibelius for windows does different things for "Return" and "keypad enter". You need to look harder ;-) Andy Ling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jan 4 19:19:24 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EuE3a-1FYknw-06-1CiP."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 19:19:24 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EuE3a-1FYknw-06-1CiP; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 19:12:23 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EuE3a-1FYknw-06; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 19:12:23 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EuE3a-0007ez-FW; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 19:12:22 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EuF0v-00062o-Qm; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 20:13:42 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EuE2E-000785-1w for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 19:10:58 +0000 Received: from [212.187.204.26] (helo=slave.orpheusnet.co.uk) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EuE2D-00073T-E3 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 19:10:57 +0000 Received: from Iyonix.pnyoung.ormail.co.uk (dsl82-163-181-61.as15444.net [82.163.181.61]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k04J9nWD022169 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 19:09:49 GMT Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Problem with old Ovation document. (RISC OS) To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Dr Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.11b1 Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 19:02:20 GMT Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.10) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-orpheus-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-orpheus-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.11, required 5, autolearn=disabled, AWL 0.06, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.05) X-MailScanner-From: Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 4 Jan 2006 David Pilling wrote: >>However, I needed to refer to a document today which required some >>fonts I usually don't have loaded, and this caused OPro to crash; > > Hmm. it should put up a message asking what you want to do about missing > fonts? > > I say that because the message is not the usual one, it is something the > O1 loader does itself and the options are different to usual. Sorry, I didn't explain properly. Yes, the "do you wish to substitute fonts" message does come up; if I then click on "yes", I then get an "OPro has suffered a fatal error; type 5" message, and it crashes. If I drag the file to FontDir Pro to load the missing fonts all is well. It's not an important problem, now I know what to do about it, but it's not a confidential file, and I could send it if that would be helpful. The really silly thing is that the document doesn't actually use the fonts in question; they're left over from a previous document which I was too idle to reconstruct properly :-( With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 Anne \ / __ __ \ England. and / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk family / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \______________ pnyoung@ormail.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jan 4 19:29:25 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EuEIq-1g7Vbs-08-1CT9."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 19:29:25 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EuEIq-1g7Vbs-08-1CT9; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 19:28:09 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EuEIq-1g7Vbs-08; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 19:28:09 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EuEIq-0000Tx-Je; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 19:28:08 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EuEN4-0000mt-Sv; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 19:32:32 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EuEHS-0000Ih-Q0 for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 19:26:42 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.92] (helo=anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EuEHS-0000IU-FP for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 19:26:42 +0000 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EuEHQ-000Iry-E3 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 19:26:42 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 19:25:05 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP and MP References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message , Andy.Ling@Quantel.Com writes >> Interestingly on Windows there is no easy way of distinguishing Enter >> (keypad) from Return. >It must be possible, because emacs can tell the difference. You can map > or as different keys. Yes I went away and thought "if Quark uses Enter it must be possible". I actually prefer Ctrl+Return, it requires less hand movement. Depends how one types, I know some people use the numeric keypad at every opportunity. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jan 4 19:39:24 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EuEK7-2gp000-02-1KyO."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 19:39:24 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EuEK7-2gp000-02-1KyO; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 19:29:28 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EuEK7-2gp000-02; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 19:29:28 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EuEK7-0006N9-Gf; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 19:29:27 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EuEZU-0004bC-J9; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 19:45:22 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EuEIl-0000iX-11 for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 19:28:03 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.92] (helo=anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EuEIk-0000iS-Sw for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 19:28:02 +0000 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EuEIk-000J0G-Dv for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 19:28:02 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 19:26:44 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Problem with old Ovation document. (RISC OS) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Sorry, I didn't explain properly. Yes, the "do you wish to substitute >fonts" message does come up; if I then click on "yes", I then get an >"OPro has suffered a fatal error; type 5" message, and it crashes. If >I drag the file to FontDir Pro to load the missing fonts all is well. OK, that is what I wanted to know. I have a feeling I've heard this before. I'll be asking you what versions of things you're using next... -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jan 4 21:49:31 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EuGOy-2oQknw-01-1AN1."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 21:49:31 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EuGOy-2oQknw-01-1AN1; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 21:42:36 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EuGOy-2oQknw-01; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 21:42:36 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EuGOy-00049Z-0W; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 21:42:36 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EuGeL-0006Hk-5K; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 21:58:30 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EuGN0-0003ja-GO for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 21:40:34 +0000 Received: from [194.158.229.42] (helo=mail-ps.sunrise.ch) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EuGN0-0003jT-4P for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 21:40:34 +0000 Received: from localhost.com.smile.ch (194.230.8.190) by mail-ps.sunrise.ch (7.2.066) id 439D87EF001B7E89 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 22:40:33 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP and MP To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: JMAH van Vredenburch X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 22:40:19 GMT Message-ID: <993428e44d.janvred@smile.ch> References: <4dd9b6fc86nedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> <85723add4d.alan@ntlworld.com> <4ddd4d9774bric@f2s.com> <5f2c4add4d.alan@ntlworld.com> <4ddd53222fjohn@acornusers.org> <9e8751df4d.chris@cumbrian.demon.co.uk> <4ddf558b4acharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <669e58df4d.chris@cumbrian.demon.co.uk> <4ddf5b95d5charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <7cb3e6e24d.chris@cumbrian.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Secr. St. Van Vredenburch; CIC-member User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.10) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message David Pilling wrote: >>Sometimes yes, actually I just hold the mouse button down and it >>rapidly increases the numbers so don't actually click (clip!) 49 >>times. > > ISTR that on OP there is a feature that holding down shift whilst > clicking makes things go 10 x as fast. The Risc OS manual page 269 (Appendix E) JohnvV -- Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Jan 5 01:19:42 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EuJmV-2ss000-07-16zU."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 01:19:42 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EuJmV-2ss000-07-16zU; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 01:19:07 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EuJmV-2ss000-07; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 01:19:07 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EuJmV-0001d2-20; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 01:19:07 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EuK1s-0001FB-6A; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 01:35:01 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EuJl5-0004VL-Rf for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 01:17:39 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.92] (helo=anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EuJl5-0004VF-Hd for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 01:17:39 +0000 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EuJl5-0005hv-DX for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 01:17:39 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 01:16:28 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Problem with old Ovation document. (RISC OS) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >It's not an important problem, now I know what to do about it, but >it's not a confidential file, and I could send it if that would be >helpful. Yes that would be helpful. I have tried to load an Ovation file with missing fonts, and I have no problems. I was using 2.76 with an Ovation1 applet the !Info file in which has a version number of 1.05 - the last change to that applet is Feb 2003, so there must have been some issue after the move to Iyonix. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Jan 5 13:58:56 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EuQub-0wnknw-06-ioM."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 13:58:56 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EuQub-0wnknw-06-ioM; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 08:55:57 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EuQub-0wnknw-06; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 08:55:57 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EuQub-0006Gt-2o; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 08:55:57 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EuQuY-0008Hi-IQ; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 08:55:55 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EuQt7-0004hG-TL for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 08:54:25 +0000 Received: from [212.187.204.26] (helo=slave.orpheusnet.co.uk) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EuQt7-0004bm-LZ for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 08:54:25 +0000 Received: from Iyonix.pnyoung.ormail.co.uk (dsl82-163-181-61.as15444.net [82.163.181.61]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k058rN6W015818 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 08:53:25 GMT Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Problem with old Ovation document. (RISC OS) To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Dr Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.11b1 Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 08:39:08 GMT Message-ID: <33075fe44d.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.10) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-orpheus-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-orpheus-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.11, required 5, autolearn=disabled, AWL 0.06, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.05) X-MailScanner-From: Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 5 Jan 2006 David Pilling wrote: >>It's not an important problem, now I know what to do about it, but >>it's not a confidential file, and I could send it if that would be >>helpful. > > Yes that would be helpful. I have tried to load an Ovation file with > missing fonts, and I have no problems. > > I was using 2.76 with an Ovation1 applet the !Info file in which has a > version number of 1.05 - the last change to that applet is Feb 2003, so > there must have been some issue after the move to Iyonix. About to send the offending file. With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 Anne \ / __ __ \ England. and / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk family / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \______________ pnyoung@ormail.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Jan 5 13:58:57 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EuQv9-1QrGPo-01-1Gts."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 13:58:57 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EuQv9-1QrGPo-01-1Gts; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 08:56:32 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EuQv9-1QrGPo-01; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 08:56:32 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EuQv9-0004W3-FO; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 08:56:31 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EuPpF-0006zi-HM; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 07:46:22 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EuQtD-0004hx-TT for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 08:54:31 +0000 Received: from [212.187.204.26] (helo=slave.orpheusnet.co.uk) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EuQt7-0004bn-LY for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 08:54:25 +0000 Received: from Iyonix.pnyoung.ormail.co.uk (dsl82-163-181-61.as15444.net [82.163.181.61]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k058rN6U015818 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 08:53:24 GMT Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Problem with old Ovation document. (RISC OS) To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Dr Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.11b1 Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 08:38:24 GMT Message-ID: <63f65ee44d.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.10) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-orpheus-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-orpheus-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.11, required 5, autolearn=disabled, AWL 0.06, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.05) X-MailScanner-From: Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 4 Jan 2006 David Pilling wrote: >>Sorry, I didn't explain properly. Yes, the "do you wish to substitute >>fonts" message does come up; if I then click on "yes", I then get an >>"OPro has suffered a fatal error; type 5" message, and it crashes. If >>I drag the file to FontDir Pro to load the missing fonts all is well. > > OK, that is what I wanted to know. > > I have a feeling I've heard this before. I'll be asking you what > versions of things you're using next... OPro 2.76, Ovation1 applet 1.04. I see you have 1.05, but it isn't on the website, where 1.04 is the said to be the latest! With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 Anne \ / __ __ \ England. and / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk family / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \______________ pnyoung@ormail.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Jan 5 18:08:57 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EuZQb-3SCknw-02-rLO."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 18:08:57 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EuZQb-3SCknw-02-rLO; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 18:01:34 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EuZQb-3SCknw-02; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 18:01:34 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EuZQb-0004VG-M9; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 18:01:33 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EuYKJ-0002y9-JG; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 16:51:00 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EuZOR-0007JS-7w for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 17:59:19 +0000 Received: from [194.158.229.26] (helo=mail-ps.sunrise.ch) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EuZOQ-0007JG-RS for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 17:59:18 +0000 Received: from localhost.com.smile.ch (194.230.8.206) by mail-ps.sunrise.ch (7.2.066) id 439D87AB003161FE for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 18:59:17 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Enter key for new page To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: JMAH van Vredenburch X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 13:15:34 GMT Message-ID: <1b5678e44d.janvred@smile.ch> References: <43BADDB3.3060000@kaijaks.co.uk> <4de3a7a9cbjohn@jaharrison.me.uk> <4de3cd9c46dfs@ukgateway.net> <4de3e3a450john@jaharrison.me.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Secr. St. Van Vredenburch; CIC-member User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.10) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,DATE_IN_PAST_03_06,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION, IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message charles wrote: > > > Ctrl -V where V = vire as in transfer or move ? > Most probably the V reflects the "insert" token. This was commonly used when no computers existed to indicate where additional or corrected text had to be inserted in manuscripts and printed matter.. E.g. as \ / \/ Move forwards a deer. The token + text was added by hand of course. JohnvV -- Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Jan 5 19:59:01 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EubC4-3yFknw-03-y6R."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 19:59:01 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EubC4-3yFknw-03-y6R; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 19:54:41 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EubC4-3yFknw-03; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 19:54:41 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EubC4-00032n-Hn; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 19:54:40 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EubG9-0001PL-5M; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 19:58:54 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Eub8Z-0005k3-8W for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 19:51:03 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.85] (helo=anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Eub8Y-0005jv-NI for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 19:51:02 +0000 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Eub1Q-000HJe-H9 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 19:43:40 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 19:49:39 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Problem with old Ovation document. (RISC OS) References: <33075fe44d.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <33075fe44d.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >About to send the offending file. I've tried your document with no problems, so I've uploaded the latest Ovation 1 applet to: http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/applets/files/ovn1.zip There's a chance that will fix the problem. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jan 6 13:54:49 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EumOH-3ju000-08-1L0I."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 13:54:49 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EumOH-3ju000-08-1L0I; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 07:52:02 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EumOH-3ju000-08; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 07:52:02 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EumOH-0000vJ-Jp; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 07:52:01 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EulIH-0002ZC-Rl; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 06:41:46 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EumMt-00054C-Im for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 07:50:35 +0000 Received: from [212.187.204.26] (helo=slave.orpheusnet.co.uk) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EumMt-000546-8a for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 07:50:35 +0000 Received: from Iyonix.pnyoung.ormail.co.uk (dsl82-163-181-61.as15444.net [82.163.181.61]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k067oOUC024480 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 07:50:25 GMT Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Problem with old Ovation document. (RISC OS) To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Dr Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.11b1 Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 07:45:21 GMT Message-ID: References: <33075fe44d.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.10) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-orpheus-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-orpheus-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.109, required 5, autolearn=disabled, AWL 0.06, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.05) X-MailScanner-From: Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 5 Jan 2006 David Pilling wrote: >>About to send the offending file. > > I've tried your document with no problems, so I've uploaded the latest > Ovation 1 applet to: > > http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/applets/files/ovn1.zip > > There's a chance that will fix the problem. Well, yes and no! The document appears to load, but when loaded just has the letterhead, two blank pages and a "missing text" arrow at the bottom of the second page. Grateful for the help, but I hardly think it's a major problem worth spending your valuable time on! With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 Anne \ / __ __ \ England. and / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk family / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \______________ pnyoung@ormail.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jan 6 13:55:04 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EumzT-1KLkny-03-1bS8."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 13:55:04 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EumzT-1KLkny-03-1bS8; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 08:30:33 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EumzT-1KLkny-03; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 08:30:33 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EumzQ-0004k9-UQ; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 08:30:25 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1Eun3Q-0006I7-Kv; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 08:34:33 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EumxZ-00087p-25 for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 08:28:29 +0000 Received: from [212.187.204.26] (helo=slave.orpheusnet.co.uk) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EumxY-00087j-OU for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 08:28:28 +0000 Received: from 213.130.142.16 (du213-130-142-16.as15444.net [213.130.142.16]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id k068SFBD028204 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 08:28:17 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mr S A O Yandell To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 08:27:01 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Problem with old Ovation document. (RISC OS) Message-ID: <4de4e1c12dsteyan@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <33075fe44d.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-orpheus-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-orpheus-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=1.619, required 5, autolearn=disabled, AWL 0.04, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.05, RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO 1.53) X-orpheus-MailScanner-SpamScore: 1 X-MailScanner-From: Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , Dr Peter Young wrote: > Well, yes and no! The document appears to load, but when loaded just > has the letterhead, two blank pages and a "missing text" arrow at the > bottom of the second page. > Grateful for the help, but I hardly think it's a major problem worth > spending your valuable time on! > With best wishes, > Peter. I'm not sure if the following helps, but ... I recently had a similar problem / symptoms, as follows. A file created with OP on one machine was transferred to another machine for printing. The file loaded but did not, with similar behaviour to that described above. Having looked at the file in a text editor and found that the text was indeed present, I traced the problem to the font: this had been copied from one machine to the other via a DOS 1.4 floppy, and the names (both the font itself and all the files associated with it) had been capitalised. Rather than do a lot of typing, I used an Acorn formatted disc to recopy the font - and lo and behold, all worked as it should. Steve Yandell -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ steyan@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jan 6 13:55:15 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EunYA-2Ktko2-03-2HW1."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 13:55:15 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EunYA-2Ktko2-03-2HW1; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 09:06:20 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EunYA-2Ktko2-03; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 09:06:20 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.35] (helo=smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EunY9-00059t-JS; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 09:06:17 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EumdN-0004RX-9K; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 08:07:38 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EunVt-0004zI-P1 for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 09:03:57 +0000 Received: from [212.187.204.26] (helo=slave.orpheusnet.co.uk) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EunVt-0004z4-Ft for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 09:03:57 +0000 Received: from Iyonix.pnyoung.ormail.co.uk (dsl82-163-181-61.as15444.net [82.163.181.61]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0693lqm000567 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 09:03:48 GMT Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Problem with old Ovation document. (RISC OS) To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Dr Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.11b1 Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 09:03:47 GMT Message-ID: <1f1fe5e44d.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> References: <33075fe44d.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <4de4e1c12dsteyan@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4de4e1c12dsteyan@argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.10) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-orpheus-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-orpheus-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.109, required 5, autolearn=disabled, AWL 0.06, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.05) X-MailScanner-From: Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 6 Jan 2006 Mr S A O Yandell wrote: [snip original problem] > > I'm not sure if the following helps, but ... > > I recently had a similar problem / symptoms, as follows. A file created > with OP on one machine was transferred to another machine for printing. The > file loaded but did not, with similar behaviour to that described above. > Having looked at the file in a text editor and found that the text was > indeed present, I traced the problem to the font: this had been copied from > one machine to the other via a DOS 1.4 floppy, and the names (both the font > itself and all the files associated with it) had been capitalised. Rather > than do a lot of typing, I used an Acorn formatted disc to recopy the font > - and lo and behold, all worked as it should. An interesting suggestion, and quite possible as the original document and the fonts have been moved twice between computers, A420/1 > RPC by backup floppies (RISC OS), and RPC > Iyo via backups on VRPC on a laptop; no DOS involved, though, except indirectly on VRPC. However, according to FontDir Pro the offending fonts' names haven't been capitalised, so I don't think the problem is here. Thanks for the contribution, anyway, With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 Anne \ / __ __ \ England. and / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk family / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \______________ pnyoung@ormail.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jan 6 13:55:34 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Euonv-348Vbt-01-1Iae."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 13:55:34 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Euonv-348Vbt-01-1Iae; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 10:26:45 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Euonv-348Vbt-01; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 10:26:45 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Euonk-0005A8-Uv; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 10:26:29 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1Eup36-0000dD-Gb; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 10:42:22 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Euola-0007hW-Cm for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 10:24:14 +0000 Received: from [195.7.228.20] (helo=snowstorm.hosts.ndo.com) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Euola-0007hP-3U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 10:24:14 +0000 Received: from 156.251-7-195.ippool.ndo.com ([195.7.251.156] helo=[192.168.2.2]) by snowstorm.hosts.ndo.com with esmtp (NDO SMTP Pool (Abuse to: abuse@ndo.com)) id 1EuolZ-0004uy-00 for ; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 10:24:13 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 10:24:12 +0000 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Problem with old Ovation document. (RISC OS) From: Mike Williams To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1f1fe5e44d.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 6/1/06 9:03 am, "Dr Peter Young" wrote: > On 6 Jan 2006 Mr S A O Yandell wrote: > > > [snip original problem] >> >> I'm not sure if the following helps, but ... >> >> I recently had a similar problem / symptoms, as follows. A file created >> with OP on one machine was transferred to another machine for printing. The >> file loaded but did not, with similar behaviour to that described above. >> Having looked at the file in a text editor and found that the text was >> indeed present, I traced the problem to the font: this had been copied from >> one machine to the other via a DOS 1.4 floppy, and the names (both the font >> itself and all the files associated with it) had been capitalised. Rather >> than do a lot of typing, I used an Acorn formatted disc to recopy the font >> - and lo and behold, all worked as it should. > > An interesting suggestion, and quite possible as the original document > and the fonts have been moved twice between computers, A420/1 > RPC by > backup floppies (RISC OS), and RPC > Iyo via backups on VRPC on a > laptop; no DOS involved, though, except indirectly on VRPC. > > However, according to FontDir Pro the offending fonts' names haven't > been capitalised, so I don't think the problem is here. > Another possibility I have experienced in transferring fonts across machines is the name of one of the internal files, usually IntMetrics, being truncated. I seem to remember that in some cases this file's name appears as IntMetrics0 and the zero can be omitted. Mike Williams -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jan 6 13:56:11 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Eurj8-2S4knw-01-1FfR."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 13:56:11 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Eurj8-2S4knw-01-1FfR; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 13:33:55 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Eurj8-2S4knw-01; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 13:33:55 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Eurj8-0007ig-2h; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 13:33:54 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1Eurj5-0008Bk-MW; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 13:33:52 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Eurh1-0000CW-4n for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 13:31:43 +0000 Received: from [194.158.229.26] (helo=mail-ps.sunrise.ch) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Eurgz-0000A3-8D for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 13:31:41 +0000 Received: from localhost.com.smile.ch (194.230.8.89) by mail-ps.sunrise.ch (7.2.066) id 439D87AB0032F7B0 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 14:31:40 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Problem with old Ovation document. (RISC OS) To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: JMAH van Vredenburch X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 14:31:09 GMT Message-ID: <9e1703e54d.janvred@smile.ch> References: <33075fe44d.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <4de4e1c12dsteyan@argonet.co.uk> <1f1fe5e44d.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <1f1fe5e44d.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> X-Organization: Secr. St. Van Vredenburch; CIC-member User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.10) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <1f1fe5e44d.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> Dr Peter Young wrote: > On 6 Jan 2006 Mr S A O Yandell wrote: >=20 >=20 > [snip original problem] >>=20 [snip some more] >=20 > However, according to FontDir Pro the offending fonts' names haven't > been capitalised, so I don't think the problem is here. I know not how FontDir Pro names the loaded fonts (based on directory=20 name -most probable- or from one of the internal files). Load the=20 IntMetrics file in Edit: at the beginning you should see the fonts=20 name. Must be *identical* to the font's directory name. To eventually correct this use !Fontnamer (=A9 Fabis Computing) >=20 > Thanks for the contribution, anyway, >=20 > With best wishes, >=20 > Peter. >=20 --=20 Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jan 6 14:14:24 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EusIY-3MG000-04-16ZV."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 14:14:24 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EusIY-3MG000-04-16ZV; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 14:10:31 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EusIY-3MG000-04; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 14:10:31 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EusIY-0000pz-6Q; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 14:10:30 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EusXu-0006A2-Ss; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 14:26:24 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EusGi-0005Zp-Lx for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 14:08:36 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.86] (helo=anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EusGi-0005Zd-3r for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 14:08:36 +0000 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EusGh-0003Xc-Kj for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 14:08:35 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 14:07:03 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Problem with old Ovation document. (RISC OS) References: <33075fe44d.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Well, yes and no! The document appears to load, but when loaded just >has the letterhead, two blank pages and a "missing text" arrow at the >bottom of the second page. When I loaded it, on both, RISC OS and Windows I could read the whole document. I hope you got your wish. The thing about the text overflow does point to something being wrong with the fonts. However the original point was is that the fonts are missing and you are asking for the document to be reflowed with the default font - which is something like Trinity or Homerton. Maybe you now have the fonts installed? -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jan 6 15:54:32 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Eutrn-3yUknw-02-1UZo."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 15:54:32 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Eutrn-3yUknw-02-1UZo; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 15:51:00 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Eutrn-3yUknw-02; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 15:51:00 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.35] (helo=smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Eutrn-0000qe-Kf; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 15:50:59 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1Eusx1-0002Dj-DA; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 14:52:20 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EutqL-0001lL-Lb for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 15:49:29 +0000 Received: from [212.187.204.26] (helo=slave.orpheusnet.co.uk) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EutqL-0001lE-C9 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 15:49:29 +0000 Received: from Iyonix.pnyoung.ormail.co.uk (dsl82-163-181-61.as15444.net [82.163.181.61]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k06FnFqF019569 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 15:49:16 GMT Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Problem with old Ovation document. (RISC OS) To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Dr Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.11b1 Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 15:48:17 GMT Message-ID: References: <33075fe44d.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.10) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-orpheus-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-orpheus-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.109, required 5, autolearn=disabled, AWL 0.06, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.05) X-MailScanner-From: Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 6 Jan 2006 David Pilling wrote: >>Well, yes and no! The document appears to load, but when loaded just >>has the letterhead, two blank pages and a "missing text" arrow at the >>bottom of the second page. > > When I loaded it, on both, RISC OS and Windows I could read the whole > document. > > I hope you got your wish. Indeed, and many more since then; we have quite a choice of local walks now. Good for Cheltenham Borough Council! > The thing about the text overflow does point to something being wrong > with the fonts. I'll look more closely into the fonts, following suggestions from others, but this will have to wait; lots of other things to do today. > > However the original point was is that the fonts are missing and you are > asking for the document to be reflowed with the default font - which is > something like Trinity or Homerton. > > Maybe you now have the fonts installed? If I have the fonts installed, either manually from FontDir Pro, or by dragging the file to MFP's icon, then the document loads fine. As I now know what to do, if not the reason for the problem in detail, I'm happy to call it a solved problem, with many thanks for everyone's help. With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 Anne \ / __ __ \ England. and / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk family / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \______________ pnyoung@ormail.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jan 6 16:14:32 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EuuE7-1AX000-01-1UDU."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 16:14:32 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EuuE7-1AX000-01-1UDU; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 16:14:04 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EuuE7-1AX000-01; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 16:14:04 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EuuE7-0003rC-Gq; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 16:14:03 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EuuI6-00055Z-4p; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 16:18:11 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EuuBe-0005Gd-5k for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 16:11:30 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.89] (helo=anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EuuBc-0005GS-Ty for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 16:11:29 +0000 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Euu3r-0009NT-5Q for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 16:03:29 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 16:10:08 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Problem with old Ovation document. (RISC OS) References: <33075fe44d.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >> The thing about the text overflow does point to something being wrong >> with the fonts. >I'll look more closely into the fonts, following suggestions from >others, but this will have to wait; lots of other things to do today. A thing you might do is go to Edit styles and change the fonts. That will produce a reflow of the document and it might also let you establish if fonts are the problem. Text overflow means something does not fit in a frame - maybe text too big, maybe area to put text in too small. Anyway just some ideas. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Jan 7 14:05:01 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EvBw4-4fYknw-01-1kbb."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 14:05:01 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EvBw4-4fYknw-01-1kbb; Sat, 07 Jan 2006 11:08:37 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EvBw4-4fYknw-01; Sat, 07 Jan 2006 11:08:37 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EvBw4-0001ae-Kt; Sat, 07 Jan 2006 11:08:36 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EvBzw-0004Qk-L4; Sat, 07 Jan 2006 11:12:37 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EvBti-0007BU-D3 for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sat, 07 Jan 2006 11:06:10 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.85] (helo=anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EvBti-0007BP-4L for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 07 Jan 2006 11:06:10 +0000 Received: from ypical.demon.co.uk ([158.152.78.65]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EvBmX-0009x5-Gz for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 07 Jan 2006 10:58:46 +0000 Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 11:04:58 GMT From: Fred Bambrough To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] Versions (Was Re: Problem with old Ovation document. (RISC OS)) Message-ID: <2c0d74e54d.fred@ypical.demon.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: @ypical ink User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/4.39) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message David Pilling wrote: > >It's not an important problem, now I know what to do about it, but > >it's not a confidential file, and I could send it if that would be > >helpful. > > Yes that would be helpful. I have tried to load an Ovation file with > missing fonts, and I have no problems. > > I was using 2.76 with an Ovation1 applet the !Info file in which has a > version number of 1.05 - the last change to that applet is Feb 2003, so > there must have been some issue after the move to Iyonix. Speaking of version numbers, the web site has Impulse 1.04 whereas I have version 1.05. Is there a good reason for moving back? -- Fred -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Jan 7 14:05:07 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EvDhv-39R000-05-1Rmi."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 14:05:07 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EvDhv-39R000-05-1Rmi; Sat, 07 Jan 2006 13:02:08 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EvDhv-39R000-05; Sat, 07 Jan 2006 13:02:08 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.35] (helo=smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EvDhv-00062v-FX; Sat, 07 Jan 2006 13:02:07 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EvCn4-0008ML-CP; Sat, 07 Jan 2006 12:03:23 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EvDex-0002vn-J2 for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sat, 07 Jan 2006 12:59:03 +0000 Received: from [212.126.144.54] (helo=relay.freeuk.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EvDex-0002vi-B3 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 07 Jan 2006 12:59:03 +0000 Received: from du-002-0235.freeuk.com ([212.126.156.235] helo=helvellyn) by relay.freeuk.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EvDew-0006qS-7d for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 07 Jan 2006 12:59:03 +0000 Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 12:57:15 GMT From: Steve Fryatt To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP and MP Message-ID: References: <4dd9b6fc86nedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> <85723add4d.alan@ntlworld.com> <4ddd4d9774bric@f2s.com> <5f2c4add4d.alan@ntlworld.com> <4ddd53222fjohn@acornusers.org> <9e8751df4d.chris@cumbrian.demon.co.uk> <4ddf633895chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <8886e6e24d.chris@cumbrian.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <8886e6e24d.chris@cumbrian.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.10) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 2 Jan, Chris Hughes wrote in message <8886e6e24d.chris@cumbrian.demon.co.uk>: > Hmm well yes this fixed it for a document by document basis (I have > recreated the original base document rather then use the imported > Impression document template - this seems to have made these options > work - no idea why - corruption maybe) but again would prefer a global > option available to turn it off, rather then having to remember each > time or do I have to create a new 'master default' document? If you update the master document in OP, it will be correct each time you make a new document (I think). -- Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Jan 7 14:14:56 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EvEgt-04JVbs-04-19ki."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 14:14:56 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EvEgt-04JVbs-04-19ki; Sat, 07 Jan 2006 14:05:08 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EvEgt-04JVbs-04; Sat, 07 Jan 2006 14:05:08 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EvEgt-0001fI-Md; Sat, 07 Jan 2006 14:05:07 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EvEkk-0005k3-Et; Sat, 07 Jan 2006 14:09:07 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EvEcL-0001id-LT for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sat, 07 Jan 2006 14:00:25 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.90] (helo=anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EvEcJ-0001go-G3 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 07 Jan 2006 14:00:24 +0000 Received: from cumbrian.demon.co.uk ([62.49.24.36] helo=riscpc.cumbrian.demon.co.uk) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EvEcA-000Ox6-8R for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 07 Jan 2006 14:00:14 +0000 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP and MP To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Chris Hughes X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 13:58:52 GMT Message-ID: <39f983e54d.chris@cumbrian.demon.co.uk> References: <4dd9b6fc86nedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> <85723add4d.alan@ntlworld.com> <4ddd4d9774bric@f2s.com> <5f2c4add4d.alan@ntlworld.com> <4ddd53222fjohn@acornusers.org> <9e8751df4d.chris@cumbrian.demon.co.uk> <4ddf633895chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <8886e6e24d.chris@cumbrian.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.30b4 (MsgServe/3.10S) (RISC-OS/4.39) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message David Pilling wrote: >>It would seem so, I was not even aware of the 'feature', now I am >>still find it annoying, the 'Enter' key should be doing the same not >>dependent on which one you press. Is there and option or way to turn >>off this 'feature'. > > Define a key macro for Enter of: > > {'Return} > > nb the single quote in there. > > Interestingly on Windows there is no easy way of distinguishing Enter > (keypad) from Return. So I've adopted Ctrl+Return for new page (Ctrl P > is standardised as Print on Windows). If you want to copy this on RISC > OS you could have another key macro for Ctrl+Return of: > > {'Enter} Thanks very much for the above David, I will have a go at doing this. Never needed to do a macro before! Actually I like the Ctrl+Return for the new page option. Makes more sense to me. But then thats just me. -- Chris Hughes -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Jan 7 14:24:57 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EvEzf-1V7knw-06-1HyS."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 14:24:57 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EvEzf-1V7knw-06-1HyS; Sat, 07 Jan 2006 14:24:31 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EvEzf-1V7knw-06; Sat, 07 Jan 2006 14:24:31 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EvEze-00023B-TB; Sat, 07 Jan 2006 14:24:31 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EvFF1-0004NG-V8; Sat, 07 Jan 2006 14:40:25 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EvExW-0003BA-Ak for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sat, 07 Jan 2006 14:22:18 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.90] (helo=anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EvExW-0003B5-3f for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 07 Jan 2006 14:22:18 +0000 Received: from cumbrian.demon.co.uk ([62.49.24.36] helo=riscpc.cumbrian.demon.co.uk) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EvExV-00027U-93 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 07 Jan 2006 14:22:17 +0000 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Enter key for new page To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Chris Hughes X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 14:20:25 GMT Message-ID: <4cf285e54d.chris@cumbrian.demon.co.uk> References: <003601c61063$aa213eb0$6401a8c0@PC01> In-Reply-To: <003601c61063$aa213eb0$6401a8c0@PC01> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.30b4 (MsgServe/3.10S) (RISC-OS/4.39) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <003601c61063$aa213eb0$6401a8c0@PC01> "John Grogan" wrote: > Hello, David, > > Don't listen to the whingers! Having the Enter key to generate a page > break - or, more specifically, a frame break -is /really/ useful. > It's much more convenient and quicker than having to find Insert Page > in a menu, especially in multiple frame situations such as label > generation. John so you understand, I am not whinging as you put it, I found this option annoying and to me plain wrong, others like yourself have got used to it, fine and I am happy for them and you. But I don't find it useful. David's idea of Ctrl+Return makes more sense to me. To me Return or Enter should generate a new line or paragraph, nothing more. > To those with problems moving/resizing frames: you have > type-in-the-box, snap to grid, free movement, nudging with arrow keys > - all completely interchangeably. The choice is yours - what more > could you want? I was pointing out that it appears the option to turn off the snap to grid etc was a per document setting and it would be useful for a global option for those of us who do not want this feature. Everyone requirements are different! > It's silly anyway to expect all programs to behave in exactly the same > way - software would never evolve. If people didn't innovate, we'd > still be using command-line interfaces! You certainly shouldn't > condemn Ovation Pro because it has it's own ways of doing things. But there are standards F3 key is usually a Save key, F1 calls the help program or page, PRINT or Ctrl P calls the printing window up, and so on. I have no problem in software evolving but some standards are useful, and can be interchangeable between programs. Ovation Pro has its uses as does Impression Publisher, I use the appropriate tool for the job in hand > Happy New Year! Happy New Year to you as well. -- Chris Hughes -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Jan 7 15:45:01 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EvGBC-0NJVbs-05-igr."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 15:45:01 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EvGBC-0NJVbs-05-igr; Sat, 07 Jan 2006 15:40:30 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EvGBC-0NJVbs-05; Sat, 07 Jan 2006 15:40:30 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EvGBB-000167-Vn; Sat, 07 Jan 2006 15:40:30 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EvF54-0007Qi-1k; Sat, 07 Jan 2006 14:30:07 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EvG8o-0004jz-R8 for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sat, 07 Jan 2006 15:38:02 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.89] (helo=anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EvG8o-0004jg-F3 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 07 Jan 2006 15:38:02 +0000 Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([83.104.47.124]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EvG14-000FJC-4K for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 07 Jan 2006 15:30:02 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 15:41:50 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Enter key for new page Message-ID: <4de58d6645john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4cf285e54d.chris@cumbrian.demon.co.uk> References: <003601c61063$aa213eb0$6401a8c0@PC01> <4cf285e54d.chris@cumbrian.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4cf285e54d.chris@cumbrian.demon.co.uk>, Chris Hughes wrote: > To me Return or Enter should generate a new line or paragraph, nothing > more. Why? They are two distinct keys - and have been used as such on machines older than RISC OS. Why do you insist on them having identical functions? [NB Not a whinge - just asking!] -- John Cartmell john@ followed by finnybank.com 0845 006 8822 Qercus magazine FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 www.finnybank.com Qercus - the best guide to RISC OS computing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Jan 7 19:05:11 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EvJI4-4bY000-04-1MCZ."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 19:05:11 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EvJI4-4bY000-04-1MCZ; Sat, 07 Jan 2006 18:59:49 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EvJI4-4bY000-04; Sat, 07 Jan 2006 18:59:49 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EvJI4-0005w8-Ef; Sat, 07 Jan 2006 18:59:48 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EvJI1-0000WN-VJ; Sat, 07 Jan 2006 18:59:47 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EvJGE-0003LD-CO for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sat, 07 Jan 2006 18:57:54 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.86] (helo=anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EvJGE-0003L8-7F for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 07 Jan 2006 18:57:54 +0000 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EvJGD-0008F1-LJ for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 07 Jan 2006 18:57:54 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 18:56:28 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Enter key for new page References: <003601c61063$aa213eb0$6401a8c0@PC01> <4cf285e54d.chris@cumbrian.demon.co.uk> <4de58d6645john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4de58d6645john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Why? They are two distinct keys - and have been used as such on machines older >than RISC OS. Why do you insist on them having identical functions? Well all the keys on the numeric keypad duplicate a key on the main keyboard. I guess the idea is to make typing in lists of numbers easier. So man typing list of numbers into OP wants returns between them not new pages. I'm seeing the others point of view above. OP has extensive support for using the keypad keys differently to the main keyboard - even on Windows, except for Enter. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sun Jan 8 00:15:26 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EvO7t-1HZknw-01-1YPm."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 00:15:26 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EvO7t-1HZknw-01-1YPm; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 00:09:38 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EvO7t-1HZknw-01; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 00:09:38 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EvO7t-0003HM-BK; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 00:09:37 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EvO7J-0002JB-Le; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 00:09:02 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EvO00-0004Kg-NR for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 00:01:28 +0000 Received: from [212.126.144.54] (helo=relay.freeuk.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EvO00-0004Jn-CM for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 00:01:28 +0000 Received: from du-002-0154.freeuk.com ([212.126.156.154] helo=helvellyn) by relay.freeuk.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EvNzr-000LU0-9O for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 00:01:20 +0000 Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 23:26:02 GMT From: Steve Fryatt To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Enter key for new page Message-ID: <1fe6b7e54d.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> References: <4cf285e54d.chris@cumbrian.demon.co.uk> <4de58d6645john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4de58d6645john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.10) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 7 Jan, John Cartmell wrote in message <4de58d6645john@cartmell.demon.co.uk>: > In article <4cf285e54d.chris@cumbrian.demon.co.uk>, > Chris Hughes wrote: > > To me Return or Enter should generate a new line or paragraph, nothing > > more. > > Why? They are two distinct keys - and have been used as such on machines > older than RISC OS. Why do you insist on them having identical > functions? Because the keypad is used for entering numbers quickly, and it is a reasonable assumption that newlines can be typed without returning to the main keyboard for the purpose. How relevant that is to a DTP package, as opposed to (say) a spreadsheet, is perhaps debatable; I'd expect the two keys to do the same, myself. -- Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sun Jan 8 02:25:32 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EvQ7H-2oH000-02-yKK."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 02:25:32 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EvQ7H-2oH000-02-yKK; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 02:17:08 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EvQ7H-2oH000-02; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 02:17:08 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.35] (helo=smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EvQ7H-0007UP-KV; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 02:17:07 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EvPCU-0000jf-2L; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 01:18:26 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EvQ5V-0000qS-U4 for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 02:15:17 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.90] (helo=anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EvQ5V-0000qN-Hk for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 02:15:17 +0000 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EvQ5U-0006xr-9Q for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 02:15:17 +0000 Message-ID: <0p5vWiHbVHwDFwjw@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 02:13:47 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Versions (Was Re: Problem with old Ovation document. (RISC OS)) References: <2c0d74e54d.fred@ypical.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <2c0d74e54d.fred@ypical.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <2c0d74e54d.fred@ypical.demon.co.uk>, Fred Bambrough writes >In message > David Pilling wrote: >Speaking of version numbers, the web site has Impulse 1.04 whereas I have >version 1.05. Is there a good reason for moving back? No, onward. The version on the web site is 1.05, the applets page says it is 1.05, all I can see is that the riscos.html page has it as 1.04. I hate multiple references like that. I've fixed it. Going back the Impulse applet was a bit of a problem for 32 bit/Iyonix. Early 2003 before the Impulse module was converted. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sun Jan 8 03:05:34 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EvQkK-1mn000-06-1NGp."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 03:05:34 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EvQkK-1mn000-06-1NGp; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 02:57:29 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EvQkK-1mn000-06; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 02:57:29 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.35] (helo=smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EvQkK-0001uD-O3; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 02:57:28 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EvPpX-0005Uo-5H; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 01:58:47 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EvQi2-0005j0-Nt for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 02:55:06 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.86] (helo=anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EvQi2-0005he-Eu for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 02:55:06 +0000 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EvQi2-000EUm-Jh for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 02:55:06 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 02:53:40 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Ray Favre app. for converting OP docs to web pages MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, I just read on: http://www.drobe.co.uk/riscos/artifact1519.html that Ray Favre has written a new application for converting Ovation Pro documents (DDL) to web pages (HTML). It is available from: http://www.rayfavre.me.uk/dwapps.html Looks good. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jan 11 16:43:28 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EvUXT-1xJ000-01-tu8."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:43:28 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EvUXT-1xJ000-01-tu8; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 07:00:27 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EvUXT-1xJ000-01; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 07:00:27 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EvUXS-0005es-Su; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 07:00:26 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EvUbA-0001uv-HG; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 07:04:17 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EvUTK-0006CA-P3 for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 06:56:10 +0000 Received: from [203.96.152.180] (helo=linda-1.paradise.net.nz) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EvUTK-0006BK-64 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 06:56:10 +0000 Received: from smtp-2.paradise.net.nz (tclsnelb1-src-1.paradise.net.nz [203.96.152.172]) by linda-1.paradise.net.nz (Paradise.net.nz) with ESMTP id <0ISR00HSFHX3BJ@linda-1.paradise.net.nz> for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 19:55:51 +1300 (NZDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (203-97-121-178.cable.telstraclear.net [203.97.121.178]) by smtp-2.paradise.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12D9C1539CD6 for ; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 19:55:51 +1300 (NZDT) Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 19:55:46 +1300 From: Pete & Mitzi Margetts Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Enter key for new page In-reply-to: <4cf285e54d.chris@cumbrian.demon.co.uk> To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Message-id: <43C0B772.2010607@paradise.net.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) References: <003601c61063$aa213eb0$6401a8c0@PC01> <4cf285e54d.chris@cumbrian.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT,X_ACCEPT_LANG autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Chris Hughes wrote: Big Snip... > But there are standards F3 key is usually a Save key, F1 calls the > help program or page, PRINT or Ctrl P calls the printing window up, > and so on. I have no problem in software evolving but some standards > are useful, and can be interchangeable between programs. > > Ovation Pro has its uses as does Impression Publisher, I use the > appropriate tool for the job in hand This thread has been very interesting to find out the different ways of doing things in the two programs. I found I had to read the manual quite a bit when I first started using OP after CC Pub, but it soon became clear. This is in contrast to my first experience of changing program. I had learnt to use Wordstar 2000+ around 1985, which was a text based word processor. Some time later a new, "industry standard" program, called WordPerfect came along. I'm sad to say I found it the most infuriating, illogical, un-intuitive (if that's a word) piece of software I have come across, right up to the present day. Commands and processes were totally different to any of the other programs around at the time. I don't think that Ctrl+X, C and V were even implemented. If you learned it from scratch, as some of our typists must have, then it probably worked ok. Converting from anything else, forget it. I was quietly pleased that even wonderful WordPerfect was eventually crushed by the MS Word steamroller. I had no problem using Acorn View, it was simple in comparison. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jan 11 16:43:37 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EvWt7-0Ce000-08-18bW."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:43:37 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EvWt7-0Ce000-08-18bW; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 09:30:57 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EvWt7-0Ce000-08; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 09:30:57 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EvWt7-0003Ue-9F; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 09:30:57 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EvX8U-0002Fi-8S; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 09:46:51 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EvWqi-0002yn-Gs for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 09:28:28 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.91] (helo=anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EvWqh-0002ya-Q8 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 09:28:27 +0000 Received: from charleshope.demon.co.uk ([80.177.174.79] helo=iyonix) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EvWqh-000MmF-BP for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 09:28:27 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: charles To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 09:20:37 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Enter key for new page Message-ID: <4de5ee55bbcharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <1fe6b7e54d.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> References: <4cf285e54d.chris@cumbrian.demon.co.uk> <4de58d6645john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <1fe6b7e54d.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.10) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <1fe6b7e54d.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk>, Steve Fryatt wrote: > On 7 Jan, John Cartmell wrote in message > <4de58d6645john@cartmell.demon.co.uk>: > > In article <4cf285e54d.chris@cumbrian.demon.co.uk>, > > Chris Hughes wrote: > > > To me Return or Enter should generate a new line or paragraph, nothing > > > more. > > > > Why? They are two distinct keys - and have been used as such on machines > > older than RISC OS. Why do you insist on them having identical > > functions? > Because the keypad is used for entering numbers quickly, and it is a > reasonable assumption that newlines can be typed without returning to the > main keyboard for the purpose. How relevant that is to a DTP package, as > opposed to (say) a spreadsheet, is perhaps debatable; I'd expect the two > keys to do the same, myself. on the other hand, when entering characters by the + numbers, we know those numbers can only come from the number key pad, so we do 2know" there is a difference already. -- >From KT24 - in "leafy" Surrey Using a RISC OS5 computer -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jan 11 16:43:47 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EvZ9n-1cQVbs-01-1ErM."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:43:47 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EvZ9n-1cQVbs-01-1ErM; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 11:56:20 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EvZ9n-1cQVbs-01; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 11:56:20 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EvZ9n-0003DB-LL; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 11:56:19 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EvZDW-000053-IW; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 12:00:11 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EvZ7j-0001hv-Hn for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 11:54:11 +0000 Received: from [212.187.204.18] (helo=zen.orpheusnet.co.uk) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EvZ7j-0001hq-8x for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 11:54:11 +0000 Received: from rpc.rayhome (dsl82-163-182-126.as15444.net [82.163.182.126]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id k08Bs0g0021450 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 11:54:05 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Favre To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 11:53:43 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ray Favre app. for converting OP docs to web pages Message-ID: <4de5fc59e0ray@rayfavre.me.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.02f (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-orpheus-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-orpheus-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.053, required 5, autolearn=disabled, AWL 0.00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.05) X-MailScanner-From: Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > I just read on: > http://www.drobe.co.uk/riscos/artifact1519.html > that Ray Favre has written a new application for converting Ovation > Pro documents (DDL) to web pages (HTML). > It is available from: > http://www.rayfavre.me.uk/dwapps.html > Looks good. Many thanks for this 'plug' and I'm sorry - no disrespect to this list was intended. I simply forgot to send an 'advert' here as well. The application is called !meDDLe. (It's working title was !muddle !) I'd be interested to hear comments: !meDDLe is nothing very clever, but it does what I set out to do. -- Regards from Ray Favre. Email at: Web site at: Tel: (+44) (0)1895 444410 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jan 11 16:43:58 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EvaxN-29Vknw-02-1D3m."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:43:58 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EvaxN-29Vknw-02-1D3m; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 13:51:37 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EvaxN-29Vknw-02; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 13:51:37 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.35] (helo=smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EvaxN-0004eh-3z; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 13:51:37 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1Eva2Y-0008Lv-8p; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 12:52:55 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Evauo-0002xu-KR for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 13:48:58 +0000 Received: from [62.241.163.6] (helo=astro.systems.pipex.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Evauo-0002xo-CO for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 13:48:58 +0000 Received: from RiscPC (81-178-250-103.dsl.pipex.com [81.178.250.103]) by astro.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11472E000B83 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 13:48:20 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 13:45:26 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ray Favre app. for converting OP docs to web pages Message-ID: <4de6069439steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> In-Reply-To: <4de5fc59e0ray@rayfavre.me.uk> References: <4de5fc59e0ray@rayfavre.me.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.05-a1 (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.04-pre2 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 08 Jan, Ray Favre wrote: > I'd be interested to hear comments: !meDDLe is nothing very clever, > but it does what I set out to do. It might be nice if it took the graphics and exported them to the Pics directory (although a small point is that the document says "Pics" and the program defaults to offering "pic"). Oh, and it's not too keen on sexed quotes, maybe a bit of code to change those to unsexed quotes might not go amiss. Nice though. -- Steve Pampling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jan 11 16:44:03 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EvbrY-0skVbs-04-1Kg7."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:44:03 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EvbrY-0skVbs-04-1Kg7; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 14:49:41 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EvbrY-0skVbs-04; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 14:49:41 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EvbrY-0005LN-Fs; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 14:49:40 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1Evc6v-0003Qm-KH; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 15:05:35 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EvbpV-00028K-SN for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 14:47:33 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.90] (helo=anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EvbpV-00028E-NZ for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 14:47:33 +0000 Received: from cumbrian.demon.co.uk ([62.49.24.36] helo=riscpc.cumbrian.demon.co.uk) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EvbpV-000OTO-6k for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 14:47:33 +0000 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Enter key for new page To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Chris Hughes X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 14:13:41 GMT Message-ID: <3e2a09e64d.chris@cumbrian.demon.co.uk> References: <4cf285e54d.chris@cumbrian.demon.co.uk> <4de58d6645john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <1fe6b7e54d.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <1fe6b7e54d.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.30b4 (MsgServe/3.10S) (RISC-OS/4.39) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <1fe6b7e54d.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> Steve Fryatt wrote: > On 7 Jan, John Cartmell wrote in message > <4de58d6645john@cartmell.demon.co.uk>: > >> In article <4cf285e54d.chris@cumbrian.demon.co.uk>, >> Chris Hughes wrote: >> > To me Return or Enter should generate a new line or paragraph, nothing >> > more. >> >> Why? They are two distinct keys - and have been used as such on machines >> older than RISC OS. Why do you insist on them having identical >> functions? > > Because the keypad is used for entering numbers quickly, and it is a > reasonable assumption that newlines can be typed without returning to the > main keyboard for the purpose. How relevant that is to a DTP package, as > opposed to (say) a spreadsheet, is perhaps debatable; I'd expect the two > keys to do the same, myself. > Could not have put it better myself. :-) I have now done the two macro's as suggested by David Pilling and this has made me much happier! :-) -- Chris Hughes -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jan 11 16:44:04 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Evbrc-3qWknw-02-1kFb."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:44:04 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Evbrc-3qWknw-02-1kFb; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 14:49:45 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Evbrc-3qWknw-02; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 14:49:45 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Evbrc-0003Jn-K2; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 14:49:44 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EvbvL-00027Z-Gu; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 14:53:36 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EvbpV-000284-3w for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 14:47:33 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.90] (helo=anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EvbpU-00027z-Rc for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 14:47:32 +0000 Received: from cumbrian.demon.co.uk ([62.49.24.36] helo=riscpc.cumbrian.demon.co.uk) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EvbpU-000OTO-7l for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 14:47:32 +0000 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Enter key for new page To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Chris Hughes X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 14:12:28 GMT Message-ID: References: <4cf285e54d.chris@cumbrian.demon.co.uk> <4de58d6645john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <1fe6b7e54d.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> <4de5ee55bbcharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4de5ee55bbcharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.30b4 (MsgServe/3.10S) (RISC-OS/4.39) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4de5ee55bbcharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> charles wrote: > In article <1fe6b7e54d.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk>, > Steve Fryatt wrote: >> On 7 Jan, John Cartmell wrote in message >> <4de58d6645john@cartmell.demon.co.uk>: > >> > In article <4cf285e54d.chris@cumbrian.demon.co.uk>, >> > Chris Hughes wrote: >> > > To me Return or Enter should generate a new line or paragraph, nothing >> > > more. >> > >> > Why? They are two distinct keys - and have been used as such on machines >> > older than RISC OS. Why do you insist on them having identical >> > functions? > >> Because the keypad is used for entering numbers quickly, and it is a >> reasonable assumption that newlines can be typed without returning to the >> main keyboard for the purpose. How relevant that is to a DTP package, as >> opposed to (say) a spreadsheet, is perhaps debatable; I'd expect the two >> keys to do the same, myself. > > on the other hand, when entering characters by the + numbers, we know > those numbers can only come from the number key pad, so we do 2know" there > is a difference already. > Which is not only standard across the RISC OS apps I have tired, but also in Windows Apps I have tried. -- Chris Hughes -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jan 11 16:44:22 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EvjdU-1bqVbs-06-1CuB."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:44:22 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EvjdU-1bqVbs-06-1CuB; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 23:07:41 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EvjdU-1bqVbs-06; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 23:07:41 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EvjdU-0006XB-AY; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 23:07:40 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EvjdO-00064i-BP; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 23:07:35 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EvjbK-00045g-QW for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 23:05:26 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.85] (helo=anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EvjbK-00045b-HA for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 23:05:26 +0000 Received: from ypical.demon.co.uk ([158.152.78.65]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EvjU8-000B1I-Hh for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 22:58:01 +0000 Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 12:23:48 GMT From: Fred Bambrough To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Versions (Was Re: Problem with old Ovation document. (RISC OS)) Message-ID: References: <2c0d74e54d.fred@ypical.demon.co.uk> <0p5vWiHbVHwDFwjw@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <0p5vWiHbVHwDFwjw@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: @ypical ink User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/4.39) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,DATE_IN_PAST_06_12,IN_REP_TO, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <0p5vWiHbVHwDFwjw@pilling.demon.co.uk> David Pilling wrote: > In message <2c0d74e54d.fred@ypical.demon.co.uk>, Fred Bambrough > writes > >In message > > David Pilling wrote: > >Speaking of version numbers, the web site has Impulse 1.04 whereas I have > >version 1.05. Is there a good reason for moving back? > > No, onward. > > The version on the web site is 1.05, the applets page says it is 1.05, > all I can see is that the riscos.html page has it as 1.04. > > I hate multiple references like that. I've fixed it. Ah, thanks. Wasn't a problem. Just that I noticed the discrepency. [snip] -- Fred -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jan 11 16:44:49 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ew1PB-3HPVbs-02-13f0."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:44:49 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ew1PB-3HPVbs-02-13f0; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 18:06:05 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ew1PB-3HPVbs-02; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 18:06:05 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ew1PA-0005oj-Sl; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 18:06:05 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1Ew1eY-0001y3-2i; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 18:21:59 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Ew1M8-0004uE-TS for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 18:02:56 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.91] (helo=anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ew1M8-0004tT-ML for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 18:02:56 +0000 Received: from 212-229-245-7.rev.dcfb.demon.com ([212.229.245.7] helo=mypc2) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Ew1M4-000Lsg-A7 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 18:02:52 +0000 Message-ID: <009201c61546$e8bb97a0$07f5e5d4@mypc2> From: "David Pilling" To: Subject: [softwarelist] OvHTML 0.41 by Rick Murray Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 17:41:25 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.3790.1830 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.1830 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Non-mmember submission from [williamj@orpheusmail.co.uk (William Jackson)] I am attempting to use this addtiion to Ovation Pro but it keeps telling me that my SharedCLib of version of 5.53 dated 14 Mar 2005, as far as it's concerned, is out of date. This happens if click on the OvHTML file or drag a HTML document to the OvPro icon on the iconbar. I'm using OvPro 2.76. I first loaded OvHTML 0.40 then copied 0.41 on top of it and put it into the Filters folder which put I inside !OvPro. I then modified the !Run file to include the lines: Set OvationPro$Filters .Filters Set OvationProFilters$Path .Filters.,.Filters2 I was taking the Applets folder as an example. What and where is going wrong and how do I correct it? How does Ray Favre's HTML program compare? TIA Regards William Jackson -- _ _________________________________________ / \._._ |_ _ _ /' Orpheus Internet Services \_/| |_)| |(/_|_|_> / 'Internet for Everyone' _______ | ___________./ http://www.orpheusinternet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jan 11 16:44:49 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ew1PG-0yTVbs-06-1bkz."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:44:49 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ew1PG-0yTVbs-06-1bkz; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 18:06:11 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ew1PG-0yTVbs-06; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 18:06:11 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ew1PG-0006WK-HV; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 18:06:10 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1Ew2NA-0003yQ-Vg; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 19:08:05 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Ew1M8-0004u2-Ln for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 18:02:56 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.91] (helo=anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ew1M7-0004tN-Tk for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 18:02:56 +0000 Received: from 212-229-245-7.rev.dcfb.demon.com ([212.229.245.7] helo=mypc2) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Ew1M3-000Lsg-9s for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 18:02:51 +0000 Message-ID: <009101c61546$e8196430$07f5e5d4@mypc2> From: "David Pilling" To: Subject: [softwarelist] RTF Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 17:40:14 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.3790.1830 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.1830 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Non-member submission from [Colin Wood Colin@meldr.co.uk] I have to use RTF to submit a fairly long paper to a scientific journal. Includes tables, but there is the possibility of submitting these as separate files. Original is in OP. I know I can read RTF, but can't see how to write it. Any suggestions? Workarounds? Best wishes to all, -- _______________________ __ / / _ |. _ \ /_ _ _| / \__(_)||| ) \/\/(_)(_)(_| / StrongArm RiscPC _______________________________/ RISC OS 4.39 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jan 11 16:44:57 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ew1mr-2iiknw-07-1sQQ."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:44:57 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ew1mr-2iiknw-07-1sQQ; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 18:30:35 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ew1mr-2iiknw-07; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 18:30:35 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.35] (helo=smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ew1mr-0005Gb-He; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 18:30:33 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1Ew0s1-0000EU-EU; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 17:31:50 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Ew1kj-00085p-TL for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 18:28:21 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.91] (helo=anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ew1kj-00085W-9P for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 18:28:21 +0000 Received: from charleshope.demon.co.uk ([80.177.174.79] helo=iyonix) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Ew1ki-000Pfq-CJ for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 18:28:21 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: charles To: Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 18:30:01 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] RTF Message-ID: <4de6a47807charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <009101c61546$e8196430$07f5e5d4@mypc2> References: <009101c61546$e8196430$07f5e5d4@mypc2> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.10) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <009101c61546$e8196430$07f5e5d4@mypc2>, David Pilling wrote: > Non-member submission from [Colin Wood Colin@meldr.co.uk] > I have to use RTF to submit a fairly long paper to a scientific journal. > Includes tables, but there is the possibility of submitting these as > separate files. > Original is in OP. I know I can read RTF, but can't see how to write it. Menu > File > Save story > RTF but perhaps there's an applet letting me do that. -- >From KT24 - in "leafy" Surrey Using a RISC OS5 computer -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jan 11 16:45:03 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ew2EA-2JHGPo-02-1Jt3."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:45:03 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ew2EA-2JHGPo-02-1Jt3; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 18:58:49 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ew2EA-2JHGPo-02; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 18:58:49 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.35] (helo=smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ew2EA-0001Dn-IL; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 18:58:46 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1Ew1JL-0005Ev-6g; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 18:00:04 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Ew2CU-0004SM-Dv for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 18:57:02 +0000 Received: from [212.187.204.26] (helo=slave.orpheusnet.co.uk) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ew2CU-0004SH-2Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 18:57:02 +0000 Received: from Iyonix.pnyoung.ormail.co.uk (dsl82-163-181-61.as15444.net [82.163.181.61]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k09Iuifw005711 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 18:56:45 GMT Subject: Re: [softwarelist] RTF To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Dr Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.11b1 Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 18:50:25 GMT Message-ID: <8156a6e64d.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> References: <4de6a47807charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4de6a47807charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.10) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-orpheus-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-orpheus-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.107, required 5, autolearn=disabled, AWL 0.06, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.05) X-MailScanner-From: Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 9 Jan 2006 charles wrote: > In article <009101c61546$e8196430$07f5e5d4@mypc2>, > David Pilling wrote: >> Non-member submission from [Colin Wood Colin@meldr.co.uk] > >> I have to use RTF to submit a fairly long paper to a scientific journal. >> Includes tables, but there is the possibility of submitting these as >> separate files. > >> Original is in OP. I know I can read RTF, but can't see how to write it. > > Menu > File > Save story > RTF > > but perhaps there's an applet letting me do that. No, not an applet, but David Breakwell's MakeRTF app. It wasn't ever completed, I think, and certainly gets puzzled by frames, and sometimes by top-bit-set characters. I don't think it would do what the OP wants to do, alas, unless he exports the tables separately and doesn't have frames elsewhere. With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 Anne \ / __ __ \ England. and / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk family / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \______________ pnyoung@ormail.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jan 11 16:45:11 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ew3GE-1uqVbs-01-1Zu1."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:45:11 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ew3GE-1uqVbs-01-1Zu1; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 20:04:59 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ew3GE-1uqVbs-01; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 20:04:59 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.35] (helo=smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ew3GE-0007Qa-Oc; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 20:04:58 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1Ew2LO-0003HZ-4X; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 19:06:15 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Ew3Bm-0004KU-SB for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 20:00:23 +0000 Received: from [81.103.221.48] (helo=mta08-winn.ispmail.ntl.com) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ew3Bg-0004Il-C5 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 20:00:17 +0000 Received: from aamta10-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mta08-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060109200008.KMZO17804.mta08-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamta10-winn.ispmail.ntl.com>; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 20:00:08 +0000 Received: from risco.home ([82.28.141.231]) by aamta10-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with SMTP id <20060109200008.OVYR24348.aamta10-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@risco.home>; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 20:00:08 +0000 Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 19:42:01 +0000 (GMT) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: [softwarelist] RTF To: Ovation Pro List cc: Colin@meldr.co.uk In-Reply-To: <4de6a47807charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In on Mon 09 Jan, charles wrote: > In article <009101c61546$e8196430$07f5e5d4@mypc2>, > David Pilling wrote: > > Non-member submission from [Colin Wood Colin@meldr.co.uk] > > > I have to use RTF to submit a fairly long paper to a scientific journal. > > Includes tables, but there is the possibility of submitting these as > > separate files. How have you made the tables? > > > Original is in OP. I know I can read RTF, but can't see how to write it. > > Menu > File > Save story > RTF > > but perhaps there's an applet letting me do that. > Possibly the !MakeRTF applet by David Breakwell - I have version 3.02 dated 2001 - which also adds the option to the Menu > File > Save dialogue box. I don't think it was generally released but was sent in response to individual requests. I think it works by saving as DDL and then converting from there. If you'd like me to try the conversion, zip the OPRO original and either email it or put it on your webspace and send me the link so that I can download it. Anthony -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jan 11 16:45:36 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ew5Wo-0Leknw-07-zXN."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:45:36 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ew5Wo-0Leknw-07-zXN; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 22:30:15 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ew5Wo-0Leknw-07; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 22:30:15 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ew5Wo-0005Ij-G0; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 22:30:14 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1Ew6Uk-00070X-EH; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 23:32:10 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Ew5Uz-0006tH-PH for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 22:28:21 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.91] (helo=anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ew5Uz-0006tC-LR for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 22:28:21 +0000 Received: from 212-229-249-47.rev.dcfb.demon.com ([212.229.249.47] helo=mypc2) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Ew5Uy-0006vc-Bq for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 22:28:21 +0000 Message-ID: <00d101c6156b$ff150750$07f5e5d4@mypc2> From: "David Pilling" To: References: Subject: Re: [softwarelist] RTF Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 22:27:22 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.3790.1830 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.1830 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > Possibly the !MakeRTF applet by David Breakwell - I have version 3.02 > dated That would be my suggestion. Someone recently sent me some rather good modifications to MakeRTF - nothing exciting just made the RTF more compatible with MS Word. So once again we come upon the non-reachability of Mr. Breakwell. You want me to chop down a tree and send it to him? David Pilling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jan 11 16:45:36 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ew5XV-0qHVbs-05-183C."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:45:36 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ew5XV-0qHVbs-05-183C; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 22:30:58 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ew5XV-0qHVbs-05; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 22:30:58 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ew5XV-0004WT-3D; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 22:30:57 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1Ew5b3-0001BV-HA; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 22:34:38 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Ew5Uy-0006t3-IM for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 22:28:20 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.91] (helo=anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ew5Uy-0006sy-BB for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 22:28:20 +0000 Received: from 212-229-249-47.rev.dcfb.demon.com ([212.229.249.47] helo=mypc2) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Ew5Ux-0006vc-BE for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 22:28:20 +0000 Message-ID: <00d001c6156b$fe5fc110$07f5e5d4@mypc2> From: "David Pilling" To: References: <009201c61546$e8bb97a0$07f5e5d4@mypc2> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvHTML 0.41 by Rick Murray Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 22:05:49 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.3790.1830 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.1830 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > I am attempting to use this addtiion to Ovation Pro but it keeps telling > me > that my SharedCLib of version of 5.53 dated 14 Mar 2005, as far as it's > concerned, is out of date. Have a look at the !Run file in OvHTML - presumably there is a line in there which is insisting on a particular version of the C library. > Set OvationPro$Filters .Filters > Set OvationProFilters$Path > .Filters.,.Filters2 You made that up 8-) Filters don't work that way. Filters have to be booted, i.e. !Boot file run, that then sets up any system variables etc. To get them booted you can set up the desktop to do the job, or put them somewhere like where !Fonts etc. are, or not really correct but it does work, inside !OvnPro.Applets. On the C library, I don't know which version you have. If OvHTML is compiled to run on Iyonix then it is fair enough for it to insist on a version 5.XX of the library. It is not so fair to insist on the very latest version without a good reason. Tkae out the line RMEnsuring the C library, at worst it will crash when run. David Pilling. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jan 11 16:45:46 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ew5x3-0cD000-03-qac."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:45:46 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ew5x3-0cD000-03-qac; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 22:57:22 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ew5x3-0cD000-03; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 22:57:22 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ew5x3-0007fD-QT; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 22:57:21 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1Ew5x1-0006cY-DC; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 22:57:20 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Ew5ut-0002n2-Ka for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 22:55:07 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.88] (helo=anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ew5ut-0002mt-At for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 22:55:07 +0000 Received: from charleshope.demon.co.uk ([80.177.174.79] helo=iyonix) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Ew5us-000Dhb-2D for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 22:55:07 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: charles To: Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 22:57:16 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] RTF Message-ID: <4de6bcefc2charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <00d101c6156b$ff150750$07f5e5d4@mypc2> References: <00d101c6156b$ff150750$07f5e5d4@mypc2> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.10) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <00d101c6156b$ff150750$07f5e5d4@mypc2>, David Pilling wrote: > > Possibly the !MakeRTF applet by David Breakwell - I have version 3.02 > > dated > That would be my suggestion. > Someone recently sent me some rather good modifications to MakeRTF - > nothing exciting just made the RTF more compatible with MS Word. I'm told if you simply rechristen your file .doc it loads happily into Word. -- >From KT24 - in "leafy" Surrey Using a RISC OS5 computer -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jan 11 16:45:49 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ew64B-1QgGPo-08-1OZY."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:45:49 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ew64B-1QgGPo-08-1OZY; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 23:04:44 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ew64B-1QgGPo-08; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 23:04:44 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.35] (helo=smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ew64B-0002f4-89; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 23:04:43 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1Ew59L-0001HP-QB; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 22:06:00 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Ew60f-0003ZN-NY for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 23:01:05 +0000 Received: from [212.187.204.18] (helo=zen.orpheusnet.co.uk) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ew60f-0003Y3-7X for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 23:01:05 +0000 Received: from 213.130.141.110 (du213-130-141-110.as15444.net [213.130.141.110]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id k09N0nOE015212 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 23:00:51 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mr S A O Yandell To: Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 18:46:24 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] RTF Message-ID: <4de6a5f823steyan@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <009101c61546$e8196430$07f5e5d4@mypc2> References: <009101c61546$e8196430$07f5e5d4@mypc2> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-orpheus-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-orpheus-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=1.601, required 5, autolearn=disabled, AWL 0.02, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.05, RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO 1.53) X-orpheus-MailScanner-SpamScore: 1 X-MailScanner-From: Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,DATE_IN_PAST_03_06,IN_REP_TO, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <009101c61546$e8196430$07f5e5d4@mypc2>, David Pilling wrote: > Non-member submission from [Colin Wood Colin@meldr.co.uk] > I have to use RTF to submit a fairly long paper to a scientific journal. > Includes tables, but there is the possibility of submitting these as > separate files. > Original is in OP. I know I can read RTF, but can't see how to write it. > Any suggestions? Workarounds? > Best wishes to all, In a word: "!Easiwriter"? I have used it as a transfer between OP and (sorry about this) Word for Widows. Save out as a text file from OP to Easiwriter. I am not sure how tables would fare, but it would reduce the headaches of conversion. HTH Steve Yandell -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ steyan@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jan 11 16:45:52 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ew6E6-0CjGPo-02-17Mb."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:45:52 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ew6E6-0CjGPo-02-17Mb; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 23:14:59 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ew6E6-0CjGPo-02; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 23:14:59 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ew6E6-0001Hb-MH; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 23:14:58 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1Ew6TU-00060x-Hi; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 23:30:54 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Ew6CJ-0005JJ-0z for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 23:13:07 +0000 Received: from [212.159.14.212] (helo=ptb-relay01.plus.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ew6CI-0005JD-SI for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 23:13:06 +0000 Received: from [80.229.143.2] (helo=radstock) by ptb-relay01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Ew6CI-0007yZ-FM for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 23:13:06 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 23:12:55 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvHTML 0.41 by Rick Murray Message-ID: <4de6be5eadchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <00d001c6156b$fe5fc110$07f5e5d4@mypc2> References: <009201c61546$e8bb97a0$07f5e5d4@mypc2> <00d001c6156b$fe5fc110$07f5e5d4@mypc2> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.10) POPstar/2.04-pre2 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <00d001c6156b$fe5fc110$07f5e5d4@mypc2>, David Pilling wrote: > > I am attempting to use this addtiion to Ovation Pro but it keeps > > telling me that my SharedCLib of version of 5.53 dated 14 Mar > > 2005, as far as it's concerned, is out of date. Something very silly there. As far as I know I have the very latest upgrades for my Iyonix, and it is running the self same SharedCLibrary version 5.53 (17 Mar 2005). It is in the RISC OS 5.10 ROM. Chris... -- Chris Johnson -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jan 11 16:46:27 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EwEnV-0s5000-04-17Ji."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:46:27 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EwEnV-0s5000-04-17Ji; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 08:24:05 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EwEnV-0s5000-04; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 08:24:05 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EwEnV-0001iV-S2; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 08:24:05 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EwEr1-0006vh-03; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 08:27:44 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EwEm4-0005vc-WD for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 08:22:37 +0000 Received: from [82.153.252.24] (helo=mra02.ch.as12513.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EwEm4-0005vV-QB for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 08:22:36 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mra02.ch.as12513.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 562F5D4595 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 08:22:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mra02.ch.as12513.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mra02.ch.as12513.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 29347-01-52 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 08:22:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MartinRPC.heleigh.org.uk (unknown [82.152.145.38]) by mra02.ch.as12513.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92124D4563 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 08:22:34 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] RTF To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Martin Devon X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 08:22:31 GMT Message-ID: References: <4de6a5f823steyan@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4de6a5f823steyan@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/4.37) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by Eclipse VIRUSshield at eclipse.net.uk Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4de6a5f823steyan@argonet.co.uk> Mr S A O Yandell wrote: > In article <009101c61546$e8196430$07f5e5d4@mypc2>, > David Pilling wrote: >> Non-member submission from [Colin Wood Colin@meldr.co.uk] > >> I have to use RTF to submit a fairly long paper to a scientific journal. >> Includes tables, but there is the possibility of submitting these as >> separate files. > >> Original is in OP. I know I can read RTF, but can't see how to write it. > >> Any suggestions? Workarounds? > > >> Best wishes to all, > > In a word: "!Easiwriter"? I have used it as a transfer between OP and > (sorry about this) Word for Widows. Save out as a text file from OP to > Easiwriter. I am not sure how tables would fare, but it would reduce the > headaches of conversion. True, that RTF output frpm MakeRTF will not go directly from OP to Word, but taking RTF from OP into Easiwriter then export as RTF from Easiwriter to Word seems relatively problem-free. -- Martin R. Devon MSc Consulting Engineer, Box, Wilts, UK RISC OS in the Timber Frame Housing Industry -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jan 11 16:46:46 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EwGOH-0THknw-02-1VIU."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:46:46 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EwGOH-0THknw-02-1VIU; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 10:06:10 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EwGOH-0THknw-02; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 10:06:10 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.35] (helo=smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EwGOH-0006mM-Gr; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 10:06:09 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EwFTL-0005zp-0s; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 09:07:20 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EwGL7-0004Xw-Mu for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 10:02:53 +0000 Received: from [62.241.162.32] (helo=ranger.systems.pipex.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EwGL7-0004Wg-G4 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 10:02:53 +0000 Received: from riscpc.ausw57.dsl.pipex.com (81-179-73-11.dsl.pipex.com [81.179.73.11]) by ranger.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D59DDE000321 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 10:02:47 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] DPS To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: B G Hill X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 09:57:16 GMT Message-ID: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/4.03) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, Is there any way in which the equivalent of using colour filters, as in conventional photography, when scanning. The problem I have is getting a clean B&W line image from copy which has been highlighted with a pink highlighter pen. I have tried adjusting the 'exposure', but to clear the highlighting thins the white copy too much. In my conventional photography days, Pan Lith film would have been used with a red filter on the lens. Can this effect be simulated in DPlingScan? If such a feature is not available now, may I make a plea for it to be considered for a future development? Best wishes, Berni. -- Bernard G Hill Tel: 01633 880197 Zion, Church Road, Undy, Caldicot, NP26 3EN -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jan 11 16:46:49 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EwJct-0rbknw-04-12UK."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:46:49 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EwJct-0rbknw-04-12UK; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:33:27 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EwJct-0rbknw-04; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:33:27 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EwJcs-0002Az-RW; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:33:26 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EwJgK-0000J6-55; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:37:01 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EwJb9-0001H3-Tq for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:31:40 +0000 Received: from [212.187.204.26] (helo=slave.orpheusnet.co.uk) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EwJb7-0001GU-Ab for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:31:38 +0000 Received: from rpc.rayhome (dsl82-163-182-126.as15444.net [82.163.182.126]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id k0ADVJYa027212 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:31:24 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Favre To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 12:50:04 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ray Favre app. for converting OP docs to web pages Message-ID: <4de7092ec6ray@rayfavre.me.uk> In-Reply-To: <4de6069439steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> References: <4de5fc59e0ray@rayfavre.me.uk> <4de6069439steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.02f (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-orpheus-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-orpheus-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.07, required 5, autolearn=disabled, AWL 0.02, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.05) X-MailScanner-From: Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4de6069439steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com>, Steven Pampling wrote: > On 08 Jan, Ray Favre wrote: > > I'd be interested to hear comments: !meDDLe is nothing very > > clever, but it does what I set out to do. > It might be nice if it took the graphics and exported them to the > Pics directory (although a small point is that the document says > "Pics" and the program defaults to offering "pic"). I fully agree: it would be very nice! - and that was my original hope. But I don't think it is going to happen - because I am not yet clever enough to extract the particular picture data (AFAICS, essentially drawfile but certainly not coded directly as that) and then convert it automatically into gif/jpeg/png. But I have not completely given up on it yet. This is why I used the cop-out to say that !medDDLe is 'for authors' i.e. people who will have the original pictures and for whom conversion 'off-line' is easy. [BTW, on the minor point, "Pics" is the directory name - not user-changeable (yet?) - which holds the individual picture files. The individual picture files can have a user-chosen name, and it is that which defaults to "pic". The Manual says this....] > Oh, and it's not too keen on sexed quotes, maybe a bit of code to > change those to unsexed quotes might not go amiss. Perhaps you could email me directly on this point. I'm not fully sure where its keen-ness fails here, and an example will help me correct it. -- Regards from Ray Favre. Email at: Web site at: Tel: (+44) (0)1895 444410 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jan 11 16:46:53 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EwKgN-3yAknw-02-19xM."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:46:53 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EwKgN-3yAknw-02-19xM; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 14:41:08 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EwKgN-3yAknw-02; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 14:41:08 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EwKgM-0007Ba-LP; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 14:41:07 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EwKgJ-00048H-MQ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 14:41:04 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EwKdi-0004i6-Oz for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 14:38:22 +0000 Received: from [212.62.69.126] (helo=sally.dts-online.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EwKdi-0004i0-E7 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 14:38:22 +0000 Received: from uff411.ucs.de (213-182-120-64.teleos-web.de [213.182.120.64]) by sally.dts-online.net (Postfix) with SMTP id D69F44B56AB for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:38:21 +0100 (CET) Received: from kaskaskia.ucs.de ([192.168.202.184]) by uff411.ucs.de; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:38:32 +0100 Received: from martinv by kaskaskia.ucs.de with local (RemoteNB 1.53beta2) for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; 10 Jan 2006 15:38:30 +0100 Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:38:30 +0100 From: Martin Vethake To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] DPS Message-ID: <0a1c13e74d.martinv@kaskaskia.ucs.de> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: U C S User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60 (RemoteNB/1.53beta2) (RISC-OS/3.70) X-Editor: Zap 1.45 (06 Nov 2002), ZapEmail 0.26 (03 Nov 2002) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message you wrote: > Hi, > > Is there any way in which the equivalent of using colour filters, as > in conventional photography, when scanning. The problem I have is > getting a clean B&W line image from copy which has been highlighted > with a pink highlighter pen. I have tried adjusting the 'exposure', > but to clear the highlighting thins the white copy too much. > > In my conventional photography days, Pan Lith film would have been > used with a red filter on the lens. Can this effect be simulated in > DPlingScan? If such a feature is not available now, may I make a plea > for it to be considered for a future development? > Try playing with "Colour -> Non-linear". Disabling "Green" and "Blue" should give You a red filter... Regards -- Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jan 11 16:47:21 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EwRYD-4Fwknw-01-1Bc2."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:47:21 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EwRYD-4Fwknw-01-1Bc2; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 22:01:09 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EwRYD-4Fwknw-01; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 22:01:09 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EwRYC-0003RQ-Vl; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 22:01:09 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EwRnA-0006Ua-2e; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 22:16:37 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EwRVk-00089Q-BX for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 21:58:36 +0000 Received: from [81.103.221.47] (helo=mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EwRVk-00089K-6F for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 21:58:36 +0000 Received: from aamta11-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060110215829.SZYD21883.mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamta11-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 21:58:29 +0000 Received: from risco.home ([82.28.141.231]) by aamta11-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with SMTP id <20060110215829.KKGM19063.aamta11-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@risco.home> for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 21:58:29 +0000 Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 21:44:01 +0000 (GMT) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: [softwarelist] RTF To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <4de6a5f823steyan@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In on Mon 09 Jan, Mr S A O Yandell wrote: > In article <009101c61546$e8196430$07f5e5d4@mypc2>, > David Pilling wrote: > > Non-member submission from [Colin Wood Colin@meldr.co.uk] > > > I have to use RTF to submit a fairly long paper to a scientific journal. > > Includes tables, but there is the possibility of submitting these as > > separate files. > > > Original is in OP. I know I can read RTF, but can't see how to write it. > > > Any suggestions? Workarounds? > > > > Best wishes to all, > > In a word: "!Easiwriter"? I have used it as a transfer between OP and > (sorry about this) Word for Widows. Save out as a text file from OP to > Easiwriter. I am not sure how tables would fare, but it would reduce the > headaches of conversion. This approach means you have to make the document twice - you lose all the formatting when transferring as text. RTF should allow the transfer of styles and the document structure (headings, sub-headings etc) which they imply. Also the original poster obviously does have and use OPro, he may not have Easiwriter. Anthony -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jan 11 16:47:37 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ewhoj-2Bv000-06-1COY."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:47:37 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ewhoj-2Bv000-06-1COY; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 15:23:17 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ewhoj-2Bv000-06; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 15:23:17 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ewhoi-0001Es-Pz; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 15:23:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1Ewi45-0003Ul-JG; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 15:39:11 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Ewhms-0007x5-Hf for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 15:21:22 +0000 Received: from [212.159.14.132] (helo=pih-relay05.plus.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ewhms-0007x0-6Q for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 15:21:22 +0000 Received: from penniceard.plus.com ([80.229.17.10] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by pih-relay05.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Ewhmo-0005pe-LH for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 15:21:18 +0000 Message-ID: <43C52270.2080702@penniceard.co.uk> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 15:21:20 +0000 From: Roger Penniceard User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040616 X-Accept-Language: en, en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] RTF References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA,X_ACCEPT_LANG autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Anthony Hilton wrote: >In on Mon 09 Jan, Mr S A O Yandell wrote: > > >>In article <009101c61546$e8196430$07f5e5d4@mypc2>, >> David Pilling wrote: >> >> >>>Non-member submission from [Colin Wood Colin@meldr.co.uk] >>> >>> >>>I have to use RTF to submit a fairly long paper to a scientific journal. >>>Includes tables, but there is the possibility of submitting these as >>>separate files. >>> >>> >>>Original is in OP. I know I can read RTF, but can't see how to write it. >>> >>> >>>Any suggestions? Workarounds? >>> >>> >> >> >>>Best wishes to all, >>> >>> >>In a word: "!Easiwriter"? I have used it as a transfer between OP and >>(sorry about this) Word for Widows. Save out as a text file from OP to >>Easiwriter. I am not sure how tables would fare, but it would reduce the >>headaches of conversion. >> >> > >This approach means you have to make the document twice - you lose all the >formatting when transferring as text. RTF should allow the transfer of styles >and the document structure (headings, sub-headings etc) which they imply. > >Also the original poster obviously does have and use OPro, he may not have >Easiwriter. > >Anthony > > > I would suggest that you find someone who has OP for Windows and then use something like 'deskPDF' to convert it to a PDF file which hopefully the journal editors may be able to deal with. The only problem might be if you have used fonts that have no direct equivalent on the Windows PC. Providing the latter is not the case I would be happy to convert the paper for you if you email it to me. Roger -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jan 11 16:47:39 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EwiiD-2Go000-07-dP0."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:47:39 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EwiiD-2Go000-07-dP0; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:20:37 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EwiiD-2Go000-07; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:20:37 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EwiiD-0004xH-2t; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:20:37 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1Ewixa-0007yY-J5; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:36:32 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Ewig0-00025I-30 for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:18:20 +0000 Received: from [212.227.126.177] (helo=moutng.kundenserver.de) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ewifz-000258-Eg for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:18:19 +0000 Received: from [62.180.24.245] (helo=bach) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu3) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKxQS-1Ewify0Yut-0000aQ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:18:18 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] RTF To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.11b10 Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:18:11 +0100 Message-ID: <5612a0e74d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <43C52270.2080702@penniceard.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <43C52270.2080702@penniceard.co.uk> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.30b10 (MsgServe/3.11b1) (RISC-OS/5.09) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <43C52270.2080702@penniceard.co.uk> Roger Penniceard wrote: >>>>Non-member submission from [Colin Wood Colin@meldr.co.uk] >>>> >>>>I have to use RTF to submit a fairly long paper to a scientific journal. > I would suggest that you find someone who has OP for Windows and then > use something like 'deskPDF' to convert it to a PDF file which hopefully > the journal editors may be able to deal with. Transferring to Windows just to create PDF does not make too much sense. If PDF was an option you could more easily convert the document to PDF under RISC OS to begin with. It is unlikely that the journal editors are happy with PDF. The fact that they want RTF implies that they want to reflow the text in their own document template using their own fonts and styles. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jan 11 16:47:44 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ewix2-3z4knw-05-1Jml."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:47:44 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ewix2-3z4knw-05-1Jml; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:35:57 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ewix2-3z4knw-05; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:35:57 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ewix2-00004l-G2; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:35:56 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EwhqV-0004wS-SE; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 15:25:08 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Ewitk-0005Aa-Gs for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:32:32 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.86] (helo=anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ewitj-0005A9-R1 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:32:32 +0000 Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([83.104.47.124]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Ewite-000O7c-MG for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:32:29 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:32:11 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] RTF Message-ID: <4de7a15a96john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <5612a0e74d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <43C52270.2080702@penniceard.co.uk> <5612a0e74d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <5612a0e74d.martin@bach.planiverse.com>, Martin Wuerthner wrote: > In message <43C52270.2080702@penniceard.co.uk> > Roger Penniceard wrote: > >>>>Non-member submission from [Colin Wood Colin@meldr.co.uk] > >>>> > >>>>I have to use RTF to submit a fairly long paper to a scientific journal. > > I would suggest that you find someone who has OP for Windows and then > > use something like 'deskPDF' to convert it to a PDF file which hopefully > > the journal editors may be able to deal with. > Transferring to Windows just to create PDF does not make too much > sense. If PDF was an option you could more easily convert the document > to PDF under RISC OS to begin with. > It is unlikely that the journal editors are happy with PDF. The fact > that they want RTF implies that they want to reflow the text in their > own document template using their own fonts and styles. As RTF de facto isn't a fixed standard I wonder if they would accept a simple text file. Perhaps RTF is the nearest they can get to plain text amongst their contributors in the PC world. Worth checking? -- John Cartmell john@ followed by finnybank.com 0845 006 8822 Qercus magazine FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 www.finnybank.com Qercus - the best guide to RISC OS computing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jan 11 17:23:25 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EwjZn-2cpVbs-05-1ijY."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:23:25 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EwjZn-2cpVbs-05-1ijY; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:16:00 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EwjZn-2cpVbs-05; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:16:00 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EwjZn-0003Jf-Cf; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:15:59 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EwjpA-0001SA-Or; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:31:54 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EwjXT-0003vD-31 for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:13:35 +0000 Received: from [62.241.162.32] (helo=ranger.systems.pipex.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EwjXS-0003v1-E4 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:13:34 +0000 Received: from riscpc.ausw57.dsl.pipex.com (81-179-86-4.dsl.pipex.com [81.179.86.4]) by ranger.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E4AEE0001CF for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:13:33 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] DPS To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: B G Hill X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:14:10 GMT Message-ID: <4b32a5e74d.berni@ausw57.dsl.pipex.com> References: <0a1c13e74d.martinv@kaskaskia.ucs.de> In-Reply-To: <0a1c13e74d.martinv@kaskaskia.ucs.de> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/4.03) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <0a1c13e74d.martinv@kaskaskia.ucs.de> Martin Vethake wrote: > In message you wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Is there any way in which the equivalent of using colour filters, as >> in conventional photography, when scanning. The problem I have is >> getting a clean B&W line image from copy which has been highlighted >> with a pink highlighter pen. I have tried adjusting the 'exposure', >> but to clear the highlighting thins the white copy too much. >> >> In my conventional photography days, Pan Lith film would have been >> used with a red filter on the lens. Can this effect be simulated in >> DPlingScan? If such a feature is not available now, may I make a plea >> for it to be considered for a future development? >> > Try playing with "Colour -> Non-linear". Disabling "Green" and "Blue" > should give You a red filter... > > Regards Many thank for this. I had to get on with it and found that was the way to go, making the red repro curve a vertical line, adjusted in position to give a good clean image. I had to take the resultant images into !paint and do a global fill of the cyan images to black. The result was OK then. Back in DPlingScan I changed the image format to one bpp, this very much reduced the file size as was to be expected. It would still be nice to have the equivalent of filters which gave a black image straight off, but that is understandably low on David's priority list, especially as I would like to add my vote to encourage him to do a Linux version of OvnPro. I understand his reluctance to do that as he is still sandpapering the edges of OPW. Continued thanks are due to him for producing such a superb program. Best wishes Berni. -- Bernard G Hill Tel: 01633 880197 Zion, Church Road, Undy, Caldicot, NP26 3EN -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jan 11 17:23:26 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ewjb5-2jJVbs-05-1AcC."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:23:26 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ewjb5-2jJVbs-05-1AcC; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:17:20 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ewjb5-2jJVbs-05; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:17:20 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ewjb5-0003xu-Ev; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:17:19 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EwiUY-0000Q0-Om; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:06:31 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EwjZj-0004EP-Bd for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:15:55 +0000 Received: from [212.227.126.187] (helo=moutng.kundenserver.de) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EwjZi-0004ED-UR for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:15:55 +0000 Received: from [62.180.24.185] (helo=bach) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu0) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKwh2-1EwjZW1Hmr-000409; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 18:15:52 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] RTF To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.11b10 Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 18:16:15 +0100 Message-ID: <4463a5e74d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <43C52270.2080702@penniceard.co.uk> <5612a0e74d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4de7a15a96john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4de7a15a96john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.30b10 (MsgServe/3.11b1) (RISC-OS/5.09) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4de7a15a96john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> John Cartmell wrote: > In article <5612a0e74d.martin@bach.planiverse.com>, > Martin Wuerthner wrote: >> In message <43C52270.2080702@penniceard.co.uk> >> Roger Penniceard wrote: > >> >>>>Non-member submission from [Colin Wood Colin@meldr.co.uk] >> >>>> >> >>>>I have to use RTF to submit a fairly long paper to a scientific journal. > > [...] > As RTF de facto isn't a fixed standard Why not? It is as fixed a standard as, say, Impression DDF or Ovation DDL. There is a proper public specification for RTF. > I wonder if they would accept a simple text file. Perhaps RTF is the > nearest they can get to plain text amongst their contributors in the > PC world. Worth checking? Plain text for a scientific paper to be published in print? Do you really think that makes any sense? Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jan 11 17:33:24 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ewjiq-2tqknw-07-1AUR."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:33:24 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ewjiq-2tqknw-07-1AUR; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:25:20 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ewjiq-2tqknw-07; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:25:20 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ewjiq-0000fG-7r; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:25:20 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1Ewjm7-0005lf-FB; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:28:44 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EwjgG-00053A-Vp for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:22:41 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.86] (helo=anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EwjgG-000534-LQ for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:22:40 +0000 Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([83.104.47.124]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EwjgE-000Df4-MV for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:22:39 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:27:01 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] RTF Message-ID: <4de7a65f70john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4463a5e74d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <43C52270.2080702@penniceard.co.uk> <5612a0e74d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4de7a15a96john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4463a5e74d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4463a5e74d.martin@bach.planiverse.com>, Martin Wuerthner wrote: > In message <4de7a15a96john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> John Cartmell > wrote: > > In article <5612a0e74d.martin@bach.planiverse.com>, Martin Wuerthner > > wrote: > >> In message <43C52270.2080702@penniceard.co.uk> Roger Penniceard > >> wrote: > > > >> >>>>Non-member submission from [Colin Wood Colin@meldr.co.uk] > >> >>>> > >> >>>>I have to use RTF to submit a fairly long paper to a scientific > >> >>>>journal. > > > > [...] As RTF de facto isn't a fixed standard > Why not? It is as fixed a standard as, say, Impression DDF or Ovation DDL. > There is a proper public specification for RTF. Would you be confident that all the contributions would follow that public specification? > > I wonder if they would accept a simple text file. Perhaps RTF is the > > nearest they can get to plain text amongst their contributors in the PC > > world. Worth checking? > Plain text for a scientific paper to be published in print? Do you really > think that makes any sense? For many science papers RTF wouldn't make sense. I cannot think of any reason not to ask the editor and offer plain text. At the worst you should then get further guidance. -- John Cartmell john@ followed by finnybank.com 0845 006 8822 Qercus magazine FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 www.finnybank.com Qercus - the best guide to RISC OS computing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jan 11 17:43:25 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ewjsn-3i5knw-07-1Ir0."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:43:25 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ewjsn-3i5knw-07-1Ir0; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:35:37 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ewjsn-3i5knw-07; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:35:37 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.35] (helo=smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ewjsm-0000FV-RF; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:35:36 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1Ewixv-0000X0-3X; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:36:52 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Ewjps-00085k-KJ for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:32:36 +0000 Received: from [212.227.126.187] (helo=moutng.kundenserver.de) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ewjpq-00084K-Lw for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:32:34 +0000 Received: from [62.180.24.185] (helo=bach) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu9) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0ML2xA-1Ewjpp3vWE-00017K; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 18:32:34 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] RTF To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.11b10 Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 18:32:55 +0100 Message-ID: <0ceaa6e74d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <43C52270.2080702@penniceard.co.uk> <5612a0e74d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4de7a15a96john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4463a5e74d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4de7a65f70john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4de7a65f70john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.30b10 (MsgServe/3.11b1) (RISC-OS/5.09) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4de7a65f70john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> John Cartmell wrote: > In article <4463a5e74d.martin@bach.planiverse.com>, Martin Wuerthner > wrote: >> In message <4de7a15a96john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> John Cartmell >> wrote: >> > >> > [...] As RTF de facto isn't a fixed standard > >> Why not? It is as fixed a standard as, say, Impression DDF or Ovation DDL. >> There is a proper public specification for RTF. > > Would you be confident that all the contributions would follow that public > specification? That remark would apply equally well to any other file format and is therefore rather pointless. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jan 11 17:43:26 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ewjup-3rxknw-07-1Ioy."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:43:26 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ewjup-3rxknw-07-1Ioy; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:37:44 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ewjup-3rxknw-07; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:37:44 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ewjup-0002Ke-DX; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:37:43 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1Ewjun-0007mB-1n; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:37:42 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Ewjrf-0000Gc-G6 for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:34:27 +0000 Received: from [212.227.126.188] (helo=moutng.kundenserver.de) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ewjre-0000GT-M8 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:34:27 +0000 Received: from [62.180.24.185] (helo=bach) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu3) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKxQS-1Ewjrd24oH-0000aP; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 18:34:26 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP and MP To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.11b10 Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 18:34:58 +0100 Message-ID: References: <4dd9b6fc86nedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> <85723add4d.alan@ntlworld.com> <4ddd4d9774bric@f2s.com> <5f2c4add4d.alan@ntlworld.com> <4ddd53222fjohn@acornusers.org> <9e8751df4d.chris@cumbrian.demon.co.uk> <4ddf633895chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <8886e6e24d.chris@cumbrian.demon.co.uk> <39f983e54d.chris@cumbrian.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <39f983e54d.chris@cumbrian.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.30b10 (MsgServe/3.11b1) (RISC-OS/5.09) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <39f983e54d.chris@cumbrian.demon.co.uk> Chris Hughes wrote: > In message > David Pilling wrote: > >> Interestingly on Windows there is no easy way of distinguishing Enter >> (keypad) from Return. So I've adopted Ctrl+Return for new page (Ctrl P >> is standardised as Print on Windows). [...] > > Actually I like the Ctrl+Return for the new page option. Makes more > sense to me. But then thats just me. ... and all users of EasiWriter/TechWriter, which has always used Ctrl-Return for "New page". Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jan 11 17:53:26 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ewk6A-05KGPo-06-1A77."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:53:26 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ewk6A-05KGPo-06-1A77; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:49:27 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ewk6A-05KGPo-06; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:49:27 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ewk6A-00079R-EV; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:49:26 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1Ewl4I-0004hg-P2; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 18:51:35 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Ewk4U-0001tw-Gx for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:47:42 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.86] (helo=anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ewk4U-0001tm-5u for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:47:42 +0000 Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([83.104.47.124]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Ewk4T-000Kcw-Ll for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:47:41 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:51:08 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] RTF Message-ID: <4de7a894f8john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <0ceaa6e74d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <43C52270.2080702@penniceard.co.uk> <5612a0e74d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4de7a15a96john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4463a5e74d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4de7a65f70john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <0ceaa6e74d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <0ceaa6e74d.martin@bach.planiverse.com>, Martin Wuerthner wrote: > In message <4de7a65f70john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> John Cartmell > wrote: > > In article <4463a5e74d.martin@bach.planiverse.com>, Martin Wuerthner > > wrote: > >> In message <4de7a15a96john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> John Cartmell > >> wrote: > >> > > >> > [...] As RTF de facto isn't a fixed standard > > > >> Why not? It is as fixed a standard as, say, Impression DDF or Ovation > >> DDL. There is a proper public specification for RTF. > > > > Would you be confident that all the contributions would follow that > > public specification? > That remark would apply equally well to any other file format and is > therefore rather pointless. No. I was suggesting that what you got when specifying RTF might be more diverse. Certainly that was my experience when helping to gather contributions for a scientific journal some years ago. YMMV and my experience may be out of date. -- John Cartmell john@ followed by finnybank.com 0845 006 8822 Qercus magazine FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 www.finnybank.com Qercus - the best guide to RISC OS computing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jan 11 22:53:39 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ewolg-1QhGPo-06-1dXf."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:53:39 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ewolg-1QhGPo-06-1dXf; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:48:37 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ewolg-1QhGPo-06; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:48:37 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ewolg-00074l-0F; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:48:36 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1Ewpjp-0001Wz-SJ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 23:50:46 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EwokI-000201-7d for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:47:10 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.91] (helo=anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EwokH-0001zw-VT for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:47:10 +0000 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EwokH-0002e9-BM for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:47:09 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:45:55 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] DPS References: <0a1c13e74d.martinv@kaskaskia.ucs.de> <4b32a5e74d.berni@ausw57.dsl.pipex.com> In-Reply-To: <4b32a5e74d.berni@ausw57.dsl.pipex.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, >It would still be nice to have the equivalent of filters which gave a >black image straight off See: Colour menu -> Tint, Filter, Add, Subtract and Reverse Filter. Do you want something those don't do? Using the non-linear gamama was a good idea, just another way of getting the same effect. Of course if you want to go from colour to black and white, there is a "greyscale" option. >priority list, especially as I would like to add my vote to encourage >him to do a Linux version of OvnPro. I understand his reluctance to do Yes, time has gone by and I've still not got around to installing Linux on my spare PC. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Jan 12 17:36:40 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ex4jO-2hXVbs-04-1F3R."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:36:40 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ex4jO-2hXVbs-04-1F3R; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 15:51:19 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ex4jO-2hXVbs-04; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 15:51:19 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ex4jO-0002s7-Bq; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 15:51:18 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1Ex4yd-0006vH-83; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 16:07:04 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Ex4aT-0002Eq-Nt for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 15:42:05 +0000 Received: from [212.62.69.126] (helo=sally.dts-online.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ex4aS-0002Ee-Ax for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 15:42:04 +0000 Received: from uff411.ucs.de (213-182-124-47.teleos-web.de [213.182.124.47]) by sally.dts-online.net (Postfix) with SMTP id CB8E239C9F2 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 16:42:03 +0100 (CET) Received: from kaskaskia.ucs.de ([192.168.202.184]) by uff411.ucs.de; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 16:42:10 +0100 Received: from martinv by kaskaskia.ucs.de with local (RemoteNB 1.53beta2) for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; 12 Jan 2006 16:42:08 +0100 Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 16:42:08 +0100 From: Martin Vethake To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] DPS Message-ID: <629b20e84d.martinv@kaskaskia.ucs.de> References: <0a1c13e74d.martinv@kaskaskia.ucs.de> <4b32a5e74d.berni@ausw57.dsl.pipex.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: U C S User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60 (RemoteNB/1.53beta2) (RISC-OS/3.70) X-Editor: Zap 1.45 (06 Nov 2002), ZapEmail 0.26 (03 Nov 2002) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message you wrote: [snip] > >priority list, especially as I would like to add my vote to encourage > >him to do a Linux version of OvnPro. I understand his reluctance to do > > Yes, time has gone by and I've still not got around to installing Linux > on my spare PC. > I think I said something like this some years ago, but here goes anyway. I don't think a LINUX version would be all too worthwhile. LINUX has Scribus which is quite unfinished in some aspects but still useable and _free_. O.K. I am an OS X user myself and therefore biased but _every_ other OS X user I know would like to have something else but the unwieldy and expensive offering from Adobe... Regards -- Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Jan 12 17:56:23 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ex6ZB-4Ww000-08-1LkA."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:56:23 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ex6ZB-4Ww000-08-1LkA; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:48:53 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ex6ZB-4Ww000-08; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:48:53 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.35] (helo=smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ex6ZA-0003Hb-Qj; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:48:53 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1Ex5eH-0005O2-W0; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 16:50:07 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Ex6WE-0000nA-TD for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:45:50 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.85] (helo=anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ex6WE-0000n3-02 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:45:50 +0000 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Ex6Oy-0000zs-I5 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:38:20 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:44:35 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] DPS References: <0a1c13e74d.martinv@kaskaskia.ucs.de> <4b32a5e74d.berni@ausw57.dsl.pipex.com> <629b20e84d.martinv@kaskaskia.ucs.de> In-Reply-To: <629b20e84d.martinv@kaskaskia.ucs.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <629b20e84d.martinv@kaskaskia.ucs.de>, Martin Vethake writes > I think I said something like this some years ago, but here goes >anyway. I don't think a LINUX version would be all too worthwhile. I'm not proposing doing a vast amount of work, just enough to get it to work with Wine. > O.K. I am an OS X user myself and therefore biased but _every_ other >OS X user I know would like to have something else but the >unwieldy and expensive offering from Adobe... MacOS may of course be the big missed opportunity. I wonder with its move to x86 if porting things will become easier - running Windows software should become a lot more efficient. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Jan 12 19:26:27 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ex830-26Z000-07-1Bjp."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 19:26:27 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ex830-26Z000-07-1Bjp; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 19:23:46 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ex830-26Z000-07; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 19:23:46 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ex830-0003ea-B3; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 19:23:46 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1Ex86A-0002Fj-W6; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 19:27:04 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Ex80G-0006FF-OK for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 19:20:56 +0000 Received: from [212.227.126.171] (helo=moutng.kundenserver.de) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ex80G-0006F4-CO for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 19:20:56 +0000 Received: from [86.8.32.138] (helo=linux.site) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu9) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0ML2xA-1Ex80F2il5-00011W; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 20:20:56 +0100 Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 19:20:51 +0000 From: John Pettigrew To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] DPS Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <0a1c13e74d.martinv@kaskaskia.ucs.de> <4b32a5e74d.berni@ausw57.dsl.pipex.com> <629b20e84d.martinv@kaskaskia.ucs.de> Mail-Followup-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-Organization: XL Cambridge User-Agent: Gemini/2.28 (Qt/3.3.4) (Linux-i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="1224735689--68629470--1314086029"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:e57c3e1a4e3b0a42ebfd9b8d18fc39cc Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) --1224735689--68629470--1314086029 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a previous message, David Pilling wrote: > I wonder with its move to x86 if porting things will become easier - ru= nning > Windows software should become a lot more efficient. You'd need to abstract the GUI part from everything else, I guess. Of cou= rse, doing this would be a lot of work but would reap dividends because it wou= ld be much easier to support extra OSes (like Linux :-) An alternative (also lots of work) would be to move to a cross-platform toolkit like Qt. This is what Mark Sawle did when converting MessengerPro= for other platforms, and it now runs very nicely on Windows, Linux and MacOS.= It also makes certain things easier (because it provides lots of widgets) bu= t not other things (probably like OvPro's main window!). John --=20 John Pettigrew Headstrong Games=20 john@headstrong-games.co.uk Fun : Strategy : Price=20 http://www.headstrong-games.co.uk/ Board games that won't break the ban= k=20 Fields of Valour: 2 Norse clans battle on one of 3 different boards --1224735689--68629470--1314086029 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBDxqwXp6M/P/S/JWgRAme9AKCFufIVb82DwBTin4BwP1NpiMTaKACdGcbN 7ub9p5IMtWD9ZgO0rUScy5s= =zvIY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --1224735689--68629470--1314086029-- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Jan 12 19:56:30 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ex8QY-2vjVbs-04-1Jsn."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 19:56:30 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ex8QY-2vjVbs-04-1Jsn; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 19:48:08 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ex8QY-2vjVbs-04; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 19:48:08 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ex8QY-0003ZG-93; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 19:48:06 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1Ex8Tj-0005fz-Ez; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 19:51:24 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Ex8P9-0002qC-Lv for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 19:46:39 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.88] (helo=anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ex8P9-0002q5-Ey for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 19:46:39 +0000 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Ex8P9-0009HD-0Q for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 19:46:39 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 19:45:06 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] DPS References: <0a1c13e74d.martinv@kaskaskia.ucs.de> <4b32a5e74d.berni@ausw57.dsl.pipex.com> <629b20e84d.martinv@kaskaskia.ucs.de> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message , John Pettigrew writes >You'd need to abstract the GUI part from everything else, I guess. Of course, >doing this would be a lot of work but would reap dividends because it would be >much easier to support extra OSes (like Linux :-) As it stands the OS dependent stuff in Ovation Pro is separated from the main program. I don't think it took me too long to get OP running on Windows (sorting out the windows and icons), the grief came from making it work (tackling fonts, graphics etc.). For example having to handle true type fonts, generating PostScript direct, duplicating the RISC OS Draw module. Perhaps I should try moving it somewhere else a lot of the work has been done now. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. 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charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message you wrote: [snip] > I wonder with its move to x86 if porting things will become easier - > running Windows software should become a lot more efficient. > Yes it will, look here: http://www.codeweavers.com/about/general/press/?id=20050622 Regards -- Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jan 13 23:39:06 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ExYOH-3vaVbs-05-1Ay6."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; 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Fri, 13 Jan 2006 23:28:37 +0000 Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 22:32:12 GMT From: Steve Fryatt To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] RTF Message-ID: <63fcc9e84d.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> References: <43C52270.2080702@penniceard.co.uk> <5612a0e74d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4de7a15a96john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4463a5e74d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4de7a65f70john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <0ceaa6e74d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4de7a894f8john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4de7a894f8john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.10) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 11 Jan, John Cartmell wrote in message <4de7a894f8john@cartmell.demon.co.uk>: > In article <0ceaa6e74d.martin@bach.planiverse.com>, Martin Wuerthner > wrote: > > In message <4de7a65f70john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> John Cartmell > > wrote: > > > > In article <4463a5e74d.martin@bach.planiverse.com>, Martin Wuerthner > > > wrote: > > >> In message <4de7a15a96john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> John Cartmell > > >> wrote: > > >> > > > > > > [...] As RTF de facto isn't a fixed standard > > > > > > > Why not? It is as fixed a standard as, say, Impression DDF or > > > > Ovation DDL. There is a proper public specification for RTF. > > > > > > Would you be confident that all the contributions would follow that > > > public specification? > > > That remark would apply equally well to any other file format and is > > therefore rather pointless. > > No. I was suggesting that what you got when specifying RTF might be more > diverse. A comment which equally applies to DDF and DDL, given the massive problems you will have finding any spec for these two file formats. There is a spec for DDF, but getting it is a serious pain (I got mine emailed to me by someone else who happened to have a copy); IIRC from when I asked here last year, there isn't even a published spec for DDL, just 'save a file out and reverse engineer the format from looking at it'. -- Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Jan 14 01:39:11 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ExaMC-2nZGPo-06-rx9."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 01:39:11 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ExaMC-2nZGPo-06-rx9; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 01:37:28 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1ExaMC-2nZGPo-06; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 01:37:28 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ExaMC-0001eA-Am; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 01:37:28 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1ExbKb-0005ei-4F; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 02:39:53 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1ExaKE-0002Qy-E9 for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 01:35:26 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.86] (helo=anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ExaKE-0002Qe-2o for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 01:35:26 +0000 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1ExaKD-000FRE-LR for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 01:35:25 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 01:33:55 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] RTF References: <43C52270.2080702@penniceard.co.uk> <5612a0e74d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4de7a15a96john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4463a5e74d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4de7a65f70john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <0ceaa6e74d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4de7a894f8john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <63fcc9e84d.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <63fcc9e84d.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >you will have finding any spec for these two file formats. There is a >spec for DDF, but getting it is a serious pain Available from: http://www.davidpilling.info/cd/Others/XAT/DDFSpec.ddf ISTR Paul at XAT gave me permission to put it on my web site a few years back. >last year, there isn't even a published spec for DDL, just 'save a file >out and reverse engineer the format from looking at it'. Guilty. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Jan 14 14:17:12 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Exi2b-0uy000-08-19qI."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 14:17:12 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Exi2b-0uy000-08-19qI; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 09:49:46 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Exi2b-0uy000-08; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 09:49:46 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Exi2b-0003H7-Kt; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 09:49:45 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1Exi2Y-0005ZT-Ps; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 09:49:43 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Exi17-0000GX-7j for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 09:48:13 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.89] (helo=anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Exi16-0000GN-W6 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 09:48:13 +0000 Received: from ypical.demon.co.uk ([158.152.78.65]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1ExhtE-000EhS-56 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 09:40:05 +0000 Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 19:00:38 GMT From: Fred Bambrough To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] DPS Message-ID: References: <0a1c13e74d.martinv@kaskaskia.ucs.de> <4b32a5e74d.berni@ausw57.dsl.pipex.com> <629b20e84d.martinv@kaskaskia.ucs.de> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: @ypical ink User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/4.39) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,DATE_IN_PAST_12_24,IN_REP_TO, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message David Pilling wrote: > In message , John Pettigrew > writes > >You'd need to abstract the GUI part from everything else, I guess. Of course, > >doing this would be a lot of work but would reap dividends because it would be > >much easier to support extra OSes (like Linux :-) > > As it stands the OS dependent stuff in Ovation Pro is separated from the > main program. > > I don't think it took me too long to get OP running on Windows (sorting > out the windows and icons), the grief came from making it work (tackling > fonts, graphics etc.). > > For example having to handle true type fonts, generating PostScript > direct, duplicating the RISC OS Draw module. > > Perhaps I should try moving it somewhere else a lot of the work has been > done now. -- Fred -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Jan 14 16:57:04 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ExobU-226GPo-08-1KKR."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 16:57:04 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ExobU-226GPo-08-1KKR; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 16:50:13 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1ExobU-226GPo-08; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 16:50:13 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.35] (helo=smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ExobU-0001cn-As; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 16:50:12 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1ExngZ-0007Xg-IN; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 15:51:24 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1ExoZR-0007Yv-Dn for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 16:48:05 +0000 Received: from [212.187.204.26] (helo=slave.orpheusnet.co.uk) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ExoZR-0007Ym-4L for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 16:48:05 +0000 Received: from Ionyx. (dsl82-163-183-234.as15444.net [82.163.183.234]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0EGlqIq012188 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 16:47:53 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Harrison To: Ovation Pro Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 16:48:30 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Ctl-Sh-K Message-ID: <4de92e5aefjohn@jaharrison.me.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.10) Content-Type: text/plain X-orpheus-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-orpheus-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.018, required 5, autolearn=disabled, AWL 0.02) X-MailScanner-From: Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) One thing that has puzzled me since getting O-Pro (weeks not months) is that Ctrl-Sh-K doesn't always work. It always works for Group, but not for ungroup, even when the selected object is a group, and when it can be ungrouped using the menu (which of course shows Ctrl-Sh-K as an alternative!) I have been able to find no pattern in when it does and doesn't work, but since I use it a lot, it would be nice to know if there is any way of making it work more often. Incidentally, does anyone know why Group is done with K and not G as in everything else I've met? Even after you've learned the difference, K is a much longer stretch for the left hand fingers (if you use the mouse in the right hand). John -- John Harrison - using a British Iyonix PC running RISC-OS5 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Jan 14 18:37:09 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ExqEy-3BV000-08-1AAR."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 18:37:09 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ExqEy-3BV000-08-1AAR; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 18:35:05 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1ExqEy-3BV000-08; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 18:35:05 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ExqEy-0003ST-Jy; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 18:35:04 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1ExrDS-00071A-1k; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 19:37:34 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1ExqDO-0000WC-Ku for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 18:33:26 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.92] (helo=anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ExqDO-0000Vo-Af for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 18:33:26 +0000 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1ExqDN-000Ama-Fj for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 18:33:26 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 18:31:46 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ctl-Sh-K References: <4de92e5aefjohn@jaharrison.me.uk> In-Reply-To: <4de92e5aefjohn@jaharrison.me.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >One thing that has puzzled me since getting O-Pro (weeks not months) is >that Ctrl-Sh-K doesn't always work. Hmm. Keypresses in Ovation Pro can be consumed by various things - for example they may end up in a document as text, they might trigger a menu option or a macro. The way OP works is that it sends the next keypress to whatever consumed the last keypress - obviously if that destination is not interested then the keypress is passed on to the other possibilities. The point is suppose you have two things set up to use one keypress - for example suppose an applet is set up to use Ctrl+Shift+K. What actually happens when you press that key will not always be the same, it will depend on what happened previously. So that's a suggestion for what might be going on. >Incidentally, does anyone know why Group is done with K and not G as in >everything else I've met? Even after you've learned the difference, K is a >much longer stretch for the left hand fingers (if you use the mouse in the Keypresses in OP are easy to redefine. There are various ways, but a common one is to define a new key macro with body: {'oldkeypress} Where oldkeypress is something like CS_K (translated Control+Shift+K). After doing that you can use the new keypress instead of the old one. Note the single quote above. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Jan 14 19:57:14 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ExrWO-104GPo-07-1Pw3."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 19:57:14 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ExrWO-104GPo-07-1Pw3; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 19:57:09 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1ExrWO-104GPo-07; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 19:57:09 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ExrWO-0002cL-L1; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 19:57:08 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1ExrZJ-0002Xf-QE; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 20:00:10 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1ExrUQ-00079W-5u for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 19:55:06 +0000 Received: from [212.9.8.7] (helo=mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk) by svr1.spellings.net with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ExrUP-00079Q-Up for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 19:55:05 +0000 Received: from iyonix ([82.112.150.246]) by mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk (Merak 8.2.4) with SMTP id GKN38646 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 19:55:00 -0000 Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 19:55:02 GMT From: michael talibard To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ctl-Sh-K Message-ID: References: <4de92e5aefjohn@jaharrison.me.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.10) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > > Keypresses in OP are easy to redefine. Yes! And that is a great feature. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jan 18 16:31:49 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EyVEF-0RSVbs-08-13HE."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 16:31:49 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EyVEF-0RSVbs-08-13HE; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 14:21:03 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EyVEF-0RSVbs-08; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 14:21:03 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EyVEE-0004wg-TU; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 14:21:03 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EyVTd-00029V-AF; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 14:36:58 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EyVBv-0002nC-M8 for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 14:18:39 +0000 Received: from [193.252.22.158] (helo=smtp1.freeserve.com) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EyVBv-0002n3-9o for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 14:18:39 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3006.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id EC2751C0008B for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 15:18:38 +0100 (CET) Received: from riscpc (user-6676.l4.c2.dsl.pol.co.uk [81.77.218.20]) by mwinf3006.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id A1A911C0009D for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 15:18:38 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20060116141838662.A1A911C0009D@mwinf3006.me.freeserve.com MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Colin Wood To: Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 14:18:22 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RTF Message-ID: <4dea284821Colin@meldr.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <009101c61546$e8196430$07f5e5d4@mypc2> References: <009101c61546$e8196430$07f5e5d4@mypc2> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <009101c61546$e8196430$07f5e5d4@mypc2>, Colin wrote: > I have to use RTF to submit a fairly long paper to a scientific journal. > Original is in OP. I know I can read RTF, but can't see how to write it. > Any suggestions? Workarounds? Thanks for the help offered. I got a copy of David Breakwell's MakeRTF app., and thought my problems were solved. Not so! When I sent it to a reader, he reported 'I can read what you have sent but it is interspersed with yards of machine text and the refs and italics are unreadable. Could you try sending it PDF?' Iirc, making pdf files needs a commercial program, and it doesn't make economic sense to buy this, as present circumstances are unlikely ever to arise again. I took my 3 rtf files (typed correctly as .rtx) across my network and tried to load them into Word. Telling Word that they were rtf files, one loaded but the other two (smaller files) refused to load (blank screen, no error messages). Even the one that did load did so with all text same size and with certain persistent errors eg f coming across as a foreign language character. Perhaps better to have taken plain text across and then reformat in Word (not what I'd want to do as I've barely used Word). Any suggestions, please? -- _______________________ __ / / _ |. _ \ /_ _ _| / \__(_)||| ) \/\/(_)(_)(_| / StrongArm RiscPC _______________________________/ RISC OS 4.39 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jan 18 16:31:50 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EyVSH-2Ldknw-06-1b9G."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 16:31:50 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EyVSH-2Ldknw-06-1b9G; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 14:35:34 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EyVSH-2Ldknw-06; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 14:35:34 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EyVSG-0000b3-T0; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 14:35:33 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EyWQx-0004ug-Hh; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 15:38:15 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EyVPz-0006NK-BG for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 14:33:11 +0000 Received: from [212.9.8.7] (helo=mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk) by svr1.spellings.net with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EyVPx-0006M0-E3 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 14:33:10 +0000 Received: from iyonix ([82.112.150.246]) by mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk (Merak 8.2.4) with SMTP id GKN38646 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 14:33:04 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 14:33:05 GMT From: michael talibard To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: RTF Message-ID: References: <4dea284821Colin@meldr.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4dea284821Colin@meldr.co.uk> X-Organization: home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.10) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4dea284821Colin@meldr.co.uk> you wrote: > I know I can read RTF Can you? I must be out of date. The only copy I can find of !transRTF says its not 32-bit compatible. What do I need? -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jan 18 16:31:50 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EyVVI-2c4000-07-1b6F."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 16:31:50 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EyVVI-2c4000-07-1b6F; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 14:38:42 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EyVVI-2c4000-07; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 14:38:42 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EyVVI-0004Bn-Lw; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 14:38:40 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EyVVG-00019N-54; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 14:38:39 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EyVTH-0007Ye-8Z for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 14:36:35 +0000 Received: from [194.106.33.237] (helo=outmail.freedom2surf.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EyVTG-0007YS-U2 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 14:36:34 +0000 Received: from barryix (i-83-67-106-112.freedom2surf.net [83.67.106.112]) by outmail.freedom2surf.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k0GEaYch013045 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 14:36:34 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Barry E Allen To: Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 14:37:17 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RTF Message-ID: <4dea2a0393barry@e-allen.me.uk> In-Reply-To: <4dea284821Colin@meldr.co.uk> References: <009101c61546$e8196430$07f5e5d4@mypc2> <4dea284821Colin@meldr.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.10) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4dea284821Colin@meldr.co.uk>, Colin Wood wrote: > Iirc, making pdf files needs a commercial program, > Any suggestions, please? Ghostscript (free) will generate PDF files. http://www.mw-software.com/software/ghostscript/ghostscript.html http://www.acornusers.org/ghostscript/ For !Ps2pdf http://www.runton.ndo.co.uk/ Once set up it is easy to generate PDF files. I have the PoScript2 print driver set up to print to a file. I drag this file to the iconbar icon of !Ps2PDF and out pops a PDF file. -- Barry A. Rugby Union in Manchester:- http://www.broughton-park.org.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jan 18 16:31:51 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EyVfj-41nknw-05-12pk."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 16:31:51 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EyVfj-41nknw-05-12pk; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 14:49:28 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EyVfj-41nknw-05; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 14:49:28 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.35] (helo=smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EyVfj-0003La-1A; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 14:49:27 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EyUkm-0006i1-4F; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 13:50:37 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EyVde-0001hK-Pd for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 14:47:18 +0000 Received: from [212.187.204.26] (helo=slave.orpheusnet.co.uk) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EyVde-0001gw-4C for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 14:47:18 +0000 Received: from Iyonix.pnyoung.ormail.co.uk (dsl82-163-181-61.as15444.net [82.163.181.61]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0GEl04u014870 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 14:47:01 GMT Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: RTF To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Dr Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.11b1 Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 14:45:44 GMT Message-ID: References: <4dea284821Colin@meldr.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4dea284821Colin@meldr.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.10) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-orpheus-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-orpheus-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.106, required 5, autolearn=disabled, AWL 0.06, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.05) X-MailScanner-From: Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 16 Jan 2006 Colin Wood wrote: > In article <009101c61546$e8196430$07f5e5d4@mypc2>, > Colin wrote: > >> I have to use RTF to submit a fairly long paper to a scientific journal. > >> Original is in OP. I know I can read RTF, but can't see how to write it. > >> Any suggestions? Workarounds? > > > Thanks for the help offered. I got a copy of David Breakwell's MakeRTF > app., and thought my problems were solved. > > Not so! > > When I sent it to a reader, he reported > 'I can read what you have sent but it is interspersed with yards of > machine text and the refs and italics are unreadable. Could you try > sending it PDF?' Oh, dear, I predicted that. MakeRTF was never finished, I regret, and only seems to deal with easy things. > Iirc, making pdf files needs a commercial program, and it doesn't make > economic sense to buy this, as present circumstances are unlikely ever to > arise again. Nenni, not so, but far otherwise. A combination of GhostScript from http://www.acornusers.org/ghostscript/ and PrintPDF from http://www.sfryatt.freeuk.com/software/ which are both freeware is an easy way of producing pdf files without spending money. GhostScript has a reputation of being difficult, but if I can make it run, I assure you that you can do so as well! :-) Contact me off-list if you need any further hints about this. With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 Anne \ / __ __ \ England. and / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk family / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \______________ pnyoung@ormail.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jan 18 16:31:53 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EyVs2-0PhVbs-05-1ajV."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 16:31:53 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EyVs2-0PhVbs-05-1ajV; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 15:02:11 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EyVs2-0PhVbs-05; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 15:02:11 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EyVs2-000359-1F; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 15:02:10 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EyUl0-0005Jn-2x; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 13:50:50 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EyVpX-0003rL-KZ for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 14:59:35 +0000 Received: from [212.187.204.26] (helo=slave.orpheusnet.co.uk) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EyVpX-0003rC-FB for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 14:59:35 +0000 Received: from Iyonix.pnyoung.ormail.co.uk (dsl82-163-181-61.as15444.net [82.163.181.61]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0GExK7N016283 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 14:59:21 GMT Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: RTF To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Dr Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.11b1 Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 14:48:07 GMT Message-ID: <63012bea4d.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> References: <4dea284821Colin@meldr.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.10) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-orpheus-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-orpheus-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.105, required 5, autolearn=disabled, AWL 0.06, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.05) X-MailScanner-From: Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 16 Jan 2006 michael talibard wrote: > In message <4dea284821Colin@meldr.co.uk> you wrote: > >> I know I can read RTF > > Can you? I must be out of date. The only > copy I can find of !transRTF says its not > 32-bit compatible. What do I need? Aemulor. With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 Anne \ / __ __ \ England. and / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk family / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \______________ pnyoung@ormail.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jan 18 16:31:56 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EyXnY-1f1knw-04-sBP."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 16:31:56 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EyXnY-1f1knw-04-sBP; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 17:05:40 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EyXnY-1f1knw-04; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 17:05:40 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EyXnY-0005uf-1l; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 17:05:40 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EyXqD-00065z-Rk; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 17:08:27 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EyXiz-0005Dp-UV for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 17:00:58 +0000 Received: from [194.158.229.26] (helo=mail-ps.sunrise.ch) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EyXix-0005Cb-76 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 17:00:55 +0000 Received: from localhost.com.smile.ch (194.230.8.246) by mail-ps.sunrise.ch (7.2.066) id 439D87AB0040E3AB for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 18:00:50 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ctl-Sh-K To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: JMAH van Vredenburch X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 17:26:57 GMT Message-ID: <3f8c39ea4d.janvred@smile.ch> References: <4de92e5aefjohn@jaharrison.me.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Secr. St. Van Vredenburch; CIC-member User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.10) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message David Pilling wrote: >>One thing that has puzzled me since getting O-Pro (weeks not months) is >>that Ctrl-Sh-K doesn't always work. > > Hmm. Keypresses in Ovation Pro can be consumed by various things - for > example they may end up in a document as text, they might trigger a menu > option or a macro. > > The way OP works is that it sends the next keypress to whatever consumed > the last keypress - obviously if that destination is not interested then > the keypress is passed on to the other possibilities. Ah, now I understand why this happens. My workaround was to Select click outside the grouped frames and then select the grouped frames again. Usually CS-K then works to ungroup. JohnvV -- Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jan 18 16:32:02 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EycJa-4OI000-02-wBt."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 16:32:02 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EycJa-4OI000-02-wBt; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 21:55:03 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EycJa-4OI000-02; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 21:55:03 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EycJa-0006MT-6T; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 21:55:02 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EycYy-0003ag-VF; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 22:10:58 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EycHW-00018H-BB for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 21:52:54 +0000 Received: from [62.241.163.6] (helo=astro.systems.pipex.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EycHW-00018B-0a for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 21:52:54 +0000 Received: from RiscPC (81-178-250-103.dsl.pipex.com [81.178.250.103]) by astro.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D7DBE0001C3 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 21:52:53 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 17:49:32 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: RTF Message-ID: <4dea3b9d6csteve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> In-Reply-To: <4dea284821Colin@meldr.co.uk> References: <009101c61546$e8196430$07f5e5d4@mypc2> <4dea284821Colin@meldr.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.05-a1 (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.04-pre2 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,DATE_IN_PAST_03_06,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION, IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 16 Jan, Colin Wood wrote: > I took my 3 rtf files (typed correctly as .rtx) across my network and > tried to load them into Word. Telling Word that they were rtf files, No need. If the file "type" used by DOS/Windows is correct then it will load RTF into the assigned application. I note you wrote RTX rather than RTF - was that a typo? > one > loaded but the other two (smaller files) refused to load (blank screen, > no error messages). Even the one that did load did so with all text same > size and with certain persistent errors eg f coming across as a foreign > language character. Perhaps better to have taken plain text across and > then reformat in Word (not what I'd want to do as I've barely used Word). > Any suggestions, please? Word can be a bit funny about RTF, but in general the basic font and effect stuff carries across OK. I have a small routine at work that strips / changes control codes in a text processor document into the correct RTF codes and adds a Word style RTF header and footer. The effect is to convert the text processor document into a word RTF. It's all written in VBScript so translation to something sensible round here wouldn't be difficult. If you have a small sample document I could look at... -- Steve Pampling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jan 18 16:32:17 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EynBa-0aAVbs-07-lJt."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 16:32:17 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EynBa-0aAVbs-07-lJt; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 09:31:31 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EynBa-0aAVbs-07; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 09:31:31 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EynBa-0004Wn-Hk; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 09:31:30 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EynQz-0007yZ-Ky; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 09:47:27 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Eyn9n-0006OO-84 for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 09:29:39 +0000 Received: from [212.159.14.132] (helo=pih-relay05.plus.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Eyn9l-0006Nr-OT for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 09:29:37 +0000 Received: from [80.229.238.131] (helo=ascension) by pih-relay05.plus.net with smtp (Exim) id 1Eyn9h-0000me-Mr for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 09:29:33 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ned Abell To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 09:29:02 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: RTF Message-ID: <4dea91a116nedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <4dea284821Colin@meldr.co.uk> References: <009101c61546$e8196430$07f5e5d4@mypc2> <4dea284821Colin@meldr.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 16 Jan, Colin Wood wrote: > Iirc, making pdf files needs a commercial program, and it > doesn't make economic sense to buy this, as present > circumstances are unlikely ever to arise again. To make PDFs you only need a "printer" driver which creates a file. Try PrintPDF by Steve Fryatt www.sfryatt.freeuk.com/software/printpdf which provides a simple front end for Ghostscript. Invaluable... Ned -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jan 18 16:32:24 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EyrDN-2klGPo-07-poc."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 16:32:24 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EyrDN-2klGPo-07-poc; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 13:49:38 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EyrDN-2klGPo-07; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 13:49:38 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EyrDN-0004Ja-EI; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 13:49:37 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EyrDK-00029y-KR; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 13:49:35 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EyrB7-0005K4-7D for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 13:47:17 +0000 Received: from [212.159.14.214] (helo=ptb-relay03.plus.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EyrB6-0005Jq-Pv for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 13:47:16 +0000 Received: from [84.92.97.176] (helo=greatest) by ptb-relay03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1EyrB3-0000Ii-NW for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 13:47:13 +0000 Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 13:42:41 GMT From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: RTF Message-ID: References: <4dea284821Colin@meldr.co.uk> <4dea91a116nedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <4dea91a116nedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.10) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message of 17 Jan, Ned Abell wrote: > On 16 Jan, Colin Wood wrote: > > > > Iirc, making pdf files needs a commercial program, and it > > doesn't make economic sense to buy this, as present > > circumstances are unlikely ever to arise again. > > To make PDFs you only need a "printer" driver which creates a > file. Try PrintPDF by Steve Fryatt > www.sfryatt.freeuk.com/software/printpdf > which provides a simple front end for Ghostscript. > > Invaluable... PrintPDF, etc works very reliably for me and no recipient of a PDF on a wide range of machines has had any trouble. -- Tim Powys-Lybbe                                          tim@powys.org              For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jan 18 16:32:48 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ez5V8-1HjGPo-07-19cv."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 16:32:48 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ez5V8-1HjGPo-07-19cv; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 05:04:55 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ez5V8-1HjGPo-07; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 05:04:55 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ez5V8-0004sC-9j; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 05:04:54 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1Ez5kY-0004o5-5F; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 05:20:51 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Ez5RX-00048R-EV for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 05:01:11 +0000 Received: from [203.109.254.60] (helo=grunt13.ihug.co.nz) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ez5RW-00047W-Ry for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 05:01:11 +0000 Received: from p28-max1.pmr.ihug.co.nz (wave.co.nz.net.nz) [203.96.202.28] by grunt13.ihug.co.nz with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1Ez23L-00036j-00; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 14:24:00 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Keith Hopper To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 13:13:31 +1300 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Enter key for new page Message-ID: <4deae29af2kh@waikato.ac.nz> In-Reply-To: <4de58d6645john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> References: <003601c61063$aa213eb0$6401a8c0@PC01> <4cf285e54d.chris@cumbrian.demon.co.uk> <4de58d6645john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.10) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, John Cartmell wrote: > In article <4cf285e54d.chris@cumbrian.demon.co.uk>, > Chris Hughes wrote: > > To me Return or Enter should generate a new line or paragraph, nothing > > more. > Why? They are two distinct keys - and have been used as such on machines older > than RISC OS. Why do you insist on them having identical functions? Mm! I have two 'Enter' keys on my keyboard! (no 'Return') Keith -- Waikato University -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jan 18 16:32:51 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ez70R-30LVbs-03-r4a."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 16:32:51 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ez70R-30LVbs-03-r4a; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 06:41:19 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ez70R-30LVbs-03; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 06:41:19 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.35] (helo=smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ez70Q-0003dS-VB; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 06:41:19 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1Ez65S-0008GS-IU; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 05:42:27 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Ez6yY-0000rR-K2 for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 06:39:22 +0000 Received: from [212.159.14.133] (helo=pih-relay06.plus.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ez6yY-0000rI-CJ for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 06:39:22 +0000 Received: from [84.92.97.176] (helo=greatest) by pih-relay06.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Ez6yT-0005oJ-Sd for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 06:39:18 +0000 Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 06:38:45 GMT From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Message-ID: X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.10) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 Subject: [softwarelist] SparkFS terminates SyncDiscs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I have just done one of my periodic backups using SyncDiscs. This time I turned logging on, which I don't always run as it extends the run time significantly. The log stopped rather early. What is stopped at was copying a file called "SwiftJPEG110/zip" (without the quotes of course). Examining the relevant directory showed that this file had a Type set to "Data" and not, as you would expect, to "Zip"; this was because I had not set the type on downloading it a few days ago. My belief is that the process of copying may then somehow ask SparkFS to open the file to copy the components, which it cannot do so crashes SyncDiscs with an error. I do not see the error as I think I have a module which closes error windows after a few seconds (but if so, simply cannot find that module at the moment). And I could be wrong in my interpretation on why SyncDiscs stops at this point. I use an Obey file to call SyncDiscs primarily to shut down all programs that might be running and might still be writing to disc - which SyncDiscs does not like. This Obey file uses a little module called Terminate which will terminate named tasks if they are running. Included in the tasks to be shut down is, naturally, SparkFS but, curiously, this does not kill SparkFS. Nor, curiously, does RMKill kill SparkFS; it can only be killed by manually going for the menu on the iconbar and quitting FStoo. Has anyone got any views on what might be causing this termination of SyncDiscs and what I should do to stop it terminating at this sort of file? -- Tim Powys-Lybbe                                          tim@powys.org              For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jan 18 16:32:52 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ez9pt-34n000-03-1Dog."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 16:32:52 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ez9pt-34n000-03-1Dog; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 09:42:51 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ez9pt-34n000-03; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 09:42:51 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.35] (helo=smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ez9pt-0003gy-3C; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 09:42:37 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1Ez8ut-0006Q2-NS; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 08:43:45 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Ez9oT-0000tp-Pr for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 09:41:09 +0000 Received: from [212.227.126.171] (helo=moutng.kundenserver.de) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ez9oT-0000te-DK for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 09:41:09 +0000 Received: from [62.180.24.102] (helo=bach) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu8) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0ML2ov-1Ez9oR34JF-0000mG; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 10:41:08 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SparkFS terminates SyncDiscs To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.11b10 Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 10:41:42 +0100 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.30b10 (MsgServe/3.11b1) (RISC-OS/5.10) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: > The log stopped rather early. What is stopped at was copying a file > called "SwiftJPEG110/zip" (without the quotes of course). Examining the > relevant directory showed that this file had a Type set to "Data" and > not, as you would expect, to "Zip"; this was because I had not set the > type on downloading it a few days ago. > > My belief is that the process of copying may then somehow ask SparkFS > to open the file to copy the components, which it cannot do so crashes > SyncDiscs with an error. Sorry, no, that does not make any sense. It does not matter which type a file has - SyncDiscs can read its data as long as the file is not corrupt on disc or open for writing. Besides, "Data" is the most generic file type, so even if some utility tried to do something fancy when a file of a certain type is opened, "Data" is the least likely filetype it would operate on. I think this is a red herring. > [...] This Obey file uses a little module called Terminate which will > terminate named tasks if they are running. Included in the tasks to be > shut down is, naturally, SparkFS but, curiously, this does not kill > SparkFS. Not curious at all. There is no task named SparkFS as you can easily confirm in the TaskManager. > Nor, curiously, does RMKill kill SparkFS; it can only be killed by > manually going for the menu on the iconbar and quitting FStoo. I do not think that is correct. Here, RMKill SparkFS kills SparkFS nicely - the filing system, that is. You would not notice any visual effect though - the SparkFS icon on the icon bar remains there since it is provided by the SparkFiler task, which you can kill via Terminate. > Has anyone got any views on what might be causing this termination of > SyncDiscs and what I should do to stop it terminating at this sort of > file? First of all, have you made sure that it really has stopped at this file? Have you looked at the destination directory? Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jan 18 16:32:56 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EzAjP-3G9000-02-1LRg."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 16:32:56 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EzAjP-3G9000-02-1LRg; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 10:40:00 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EzAjP-3G9000-02; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 10:40:00 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EzAjO-0000M5-VF; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 10:39:59 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1Ez9cC-0005To-St; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 09:28:29 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EzAY7-0000S0-O7 for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 10:28:19 +0000 Received: from [194.106.33.237] (helo=outmail.freedom2surf.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EzAY7-0000Rn-Cg for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 10:28:19 +0000 Received: from wallace (i-195-137-110-177.freedom2surf.net [195.137.110.177]) by outmail.freedom2surf.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k0IASIch013228 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 10:28:19 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Brian Carroll To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 10:17:44 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS terminates SyncDiscs Message-ID: <4deb19ec3cbric@f2s.com> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: > I have just done one of my periodic backups using SyncDiscs. > This time I turned logging on, which I don't always run as it > extends the run time significantly. > The log stopped rather early. What is stopped at was copying > a file called "SwiftJPEG110/zip" (without the quotes of > course). Examining the relevant directory showed that this > file had a Type set to "Data" and not, as you would expect, to > "Zip"; this was because I had not set the type on downloading > it a few days ago. SJPEG110/zip downloads here (to Fresco and to Firefox on my PC) as a Zip file (&A91), not Data, without any fiddling with the filetype. > My belief is that the process of copying may then somehow ask > SparkFS to open the file to copy the components, which it > cannot do so crashes SyncDiscs with an error. ... I quite often do a SyncDiscs backup from the desktop and with SparkFS running. I've never seen any evidence that things /inside/ zips are being copied, however they are masquerading, and would not expect it. Are you certain the file was not already open for some reason? that is practically certain to abort the backup and the reason for using the Terminate/ command line process, as of course you know. > ... I do not see the error as I think I have a module which > closes error windows after a few seconds (but if so, simply > cannot find that module at the moment). ... Module is 'NoError' - I no longer use it because of the sort of problem you mention here. > ... And I could be wrong in my interpretation on why SyncDiscs > stops at this point. > I use an Obey file to call SyncDiscs ... Terminate which will > terminate named tasks if they are running. Included in the > tasks to be shut down is, naturally, SparkFS but, curiously, > this does not kill SparkFS. .... Yes, there is something very odd about SparkFS. The module is not shown (here on RiscPC RISC OS 4.39) in the task manager though it is loaded. This module /can/ be RMKilled and so can the application (front end), but other modules are left behind, and so is the dynamic area set up by the application SparkFS. > Has anyone got any views on what might be causing this > termination of SyncDiscs and what I should do to stop it > terminating at this sort of file? I now have a look to see what files are open before I use SyncDiscs because the automated process using a simple Obey script is too rigid and unreliable. Brian. -- ______________________________________________________________ Brian Carroll, Ripon, North Yorkshire, UK bric at f2s dot com ______________________________________________________________ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jan 18 16:32:58 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EzC1O-2HaVbs-08-1K9h."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 16:32:58 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EzC1O-2HaVbs-08-1K9h; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 12:02:38 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EzC1O-2HaVbs-08; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 12:02:38 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EzC1N-0005qB-Mi; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 12:02:37 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EzCGY-00072a-2r; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 12:18:19 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EzByW-0002k6-Sx for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 11:59:41 +0000 Received: from [212.159.14.213] (helo=ptb-relay04.plus.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EzByW-0002jK-DX for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 11:59:40 +0000 Received: from [84.92.97.176] (helo=greatest) by ptb-relay04.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1EzByR-0006WF-8C for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 11:59:35 +0000 Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 11:58:59 GMT From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SparkFS terminates SyncDiscs Message-ID: <523123eb4d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.10) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message of 18 Jan, Martin Wuerthner wrote: > In message > Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: > > > The log stopped rather early. What is stopped at was copying a file > > called "SwiftJPEG110/zip" (without the quotes of course). Examining the > > relevant directory showed that this file had a Type set to "Data" and > > not, as you would expect, to "Zip"; this was because I had not set the > > type on downloading it a few days ago. > > > > My belief is that the process of copying may then somehow ask SparkFS > > to open the file to copy the components, which it cannot do so crashes > > SyncDiscs with an error. > > Sorry, no, that does not make any sense. It does not matter which type > a file has - SyncDiscs can read its data as long as the file is not > corrupt on disc or open for writing. Besides, "Data" is the most > generic file type, so even if some utility tried to do something fancy > when a file of a certain type is opened, "Data" is the least likely > filetype it would operate on. I think this is a red herring. > > > [...] This Obey file uses a little module called Terminate which will > > terminate named tasks if they are running. Included in the tasks to be > > shut down is, naturally, SparkFS but, curiously, this does not kill > > SparkFS. > > Not curious at all. There is no task named SparkFS as you can easily > confirm in the TaskManager. Good point. And of course. I was bemused by the entry in the module list. So I've now altered my Obey file that does the Terminating. > > > Nor, curiously, does RMKill kill SparkFS; it can only be killed by > > manually going for the menu on the iconbar and quitting FStoo. > > I do not think that is correct. Here, RMKill SparkFS kills SparkFS > nicely - the filing system, that is. You would not notice any visual > effect though - the SparkFS icon on the icon bar remains there since > it is provided by the SparkFiler task, which you can kill via > Terminate. > > > Has anyone got any views on what might be causing this termination of > > SyncDiscs and what I should do to stop it terminating at this sort of > > file? > > First of all, have you made sure that it really has stopped at this > file? Have you looked at the destination directory? I re-ran it and the extra log showed a whole volume of activity after the original halt. I think your above point about the _Task_ to terminate may even win the day. Thanks. -- Tim Powys-Lybbe                                          tim@powys.org              For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jan 18 16:32:59 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EzC7F-2jsVbs-08-uUI."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 16:32:59 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EzC7F-2jsVbs-08-uUI; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 12:08:41 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EzC7F-2jsVbs-08; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 12:08:41 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.35] (helo=smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EzC7F-0005oF-6B; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 12:08:41 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EzBCC-0002Ga-MM; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 11:09:47 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EzC5d-00048d-26 for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 12:07:01 +0000 Received: from [212.187.204.18] (helo=zen.orpheusnet.co.uk) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EzC5b-00048E-NU for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 12:06:59 +0000 Received: from rpc.rayhome (dsl82-163-182-126.as15444.net [82.163.182.126]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id k0IC6nJv006438 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 12:06:54 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Favre To: OvationPro Mail List Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 12:06:40 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] OPro Changed response with OS4.39? Message-ID: <4deb23e57aray@rayfavre.me.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.02f (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-orpheus-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-orpheus-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.053, required 5, autolearn=disabled, AWL 0.00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.05) X-MailScanner-From: Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) This is not earth-shattering but since I installed the RO4.39 ROM there has been a change in the response of my OPro 2.67. I keep an OPro document set up to print an address directly to an envelope, with a frame positioned for the address. I also have a standard letter OPro document which has a frame for the letter addressee. I do a plus to copy the complete address currently in the letter's frame, followed by a to paste the copied address into the envelope frame. This always worked perfectly but, since the new RO, the pasted text appears with its line feeds converted to spaces i.e. so that all the address text is there but not formatted onto its original lines. As I haven't knowingly changed anything in OPro I'm a bit puzzled, although it's no big deal. Any comments? -- Regards from Ray Favre. Email at: Web site at: Tel: (+44) (0)1895 444410 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jan 18 16:33:00 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EzCG2-1GPGPo-03-1Jv3."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 16:33:00 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EzCG2-1GPGPo-03-1Jv3; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 12:17:47 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EzCG2-1GPGPo-03; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 12:17:47 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EzCG2-0007UL-Lw; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 12:17:46 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EzCIU-0004we-6W; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 12:20:19 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EzCDq-0005Wb-7X for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 12:15:30 +0000 Received: from [212.227.126.188] (helo=moutng.kundenserver.de) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EzCDp-0005WO-Qj for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 12:15:29 +0000 Received: from [62.180.24.216] (helo=bach) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu10) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0ML31I-1EzCDo3oMb-0001av; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 13:15:29 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OPro Changed response with OS4.39? To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.11b10 Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 13:16:04 +0100 Message-ID: References: <4deb23e57aray@rayfavre.me.uk> In-Reply-To: <4deb23e57aray@rayfavre.me.uk> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.30b10 (MsgServe/3.11b1) (RISC-OS/5.10) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4deb23e57aray@rayfavre.me.uk> Ray Favre wrote: > This is not earth-shattering but since I installed the RO4.39 ROM > there has been a change in the response of my OPro 2.67. > > [...] I do a plus to copy the complete address > currently in the letter's frame, followed by a to paste the > copied address into the envelope frame. > > This always worked perfectly but, since the new RO, the pasted text > appears with its line feeds converted to spaces i.e. so that all the > address text is there but not formatted onto its original lines. > > As I haven't knowingly changed anything in OPro I'm a bit puzzled, > although it's no big deal. This behaviour is caused by the enhanced global clipboard support in RO Select (namely the ClipboardHolder module), which triggers a bug in the global clipboard handling of old versions of OPro (only if the "Global clipboard" option is set in OPro). To fix it, you will either have to switch the "Global clipboard" option off in OPro or upgrade to the latest version - OPro 2.75 is fine. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jan 18 20:11:37 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EzJa4-04FGPo-04-1L7X."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 20:11:37 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EzJa4-04FGPo-04-1L7X; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 20:06:57 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EzJa4-04FGPo-04; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 20:06:57 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EzJa4-0005il-Ot; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 20:06:56 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EzKZ0-0001qi-Jx; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 21:09:55 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EzJRz-0006g9-F7 for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 19:58:35 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.89] (helo=anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EzJRz-0006g0-5m for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 19:58:35 +0000 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EzJK2-000IdV-3H for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 19:50:22 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 19:57:19 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SparkFS terminates SyncDiscs References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message , Tim Powys-Lybbe writes >My belief is that the process of copying may then somehow ask SparkFS >to open the file to copy the components, which it cannot do so crashes >SyncDiscs with an error. I'd be inclined to think that if the file has type Data, SparkFS will know nothing about it. Err was there some sort of error message or did things crash? >module called Terminate which will terminate named tasks if they are >running. Included in the tasks to be shut down is, naturally, SparkFS >but, curiously, this does not kill SparkFS. Nor, curiously, does RMKill To kill SparkFS you'll have to take out the "SparkFS filer", i.e. the front end and the filing system components (the modules). There is no problem with doing that. I think the issue of backups and SparkFS has come up here before (you can now Google the mail list archives from: http://www.davidpilling.info/cd/support.html ) There are other ways of turning off SparkFS using *commands for a session. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jan 18 22:01:43 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EzLG3-2tEGPo-05-1Av2."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 22:01:43 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EzLG3-2tEGPo-05-1Av2; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 21:54:24 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EzLG3-2tEGPo-05; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 21:54:24 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EzLG3-0000hP-Lv; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 21:54:23 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EzMF0-0006Sl-Uj; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 22:57:23 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EzLEg-0000X7-Mt for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 21:52:58 +0000 Received: from [212.159.14.213] (helo=ptb-relay04.plus.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EzLEg-0000X0-DB for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 21:52:58 +0000 Received: from [84.92.97.176] (helo=greatest) by ptb-relay04.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1EzLET-0000e7-5J for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 21:52:45 +0000 Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 21:52:33 GMT From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SparkFS terminates SyncDiscs Message-ID: <1e8959eb4d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.10) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message of 18 Jan, David Pilling wrote: > > In message , Tim Powys-Lybbe > writes > > >My belief is that the process of copying may then somehow ask SparkFS > >to open the file to copy the components, which it cannot do so crashes > >SyncDiscs with an error. > > I'd be inclined to think that if the file has type Data, SparkFS will > know nothing about it. Err was there some sort of error message or did > things crash? The NoError module will have allowed the error to vanish when I got up in the morning. And I have never seen any Errors reported in SyncDisc's log - is there some way I can set it to report mildly on errors? > >module called Terminate which will terminate named tasks if they are > >running. Included in the tasks to be shut down is, naturally, SparkFS > >but, curiously, this does not kill SparkFS. Nor, curiously, does RMKill > > To kill SparkFS you'll have to take out the "SparkFS filer", i.e. the > front end and the filing system components (the modules). There is no > problem with doing that. Yes, that is indeed where I had gone wrong, thanks. > > I think the issue of backups and SparkFS has come up here before > > (you can now Google the mail list archives from: > > http://www.davidpilling.info/cd/support.html > > ) > > There are other ways of turning off SparkFS using *commands for a > session. I am happy just to kill it as by the time I have killed all known tasks prior to running SyncDiscs, it is quicker to give the Iyo a complete reboot rather than try to restart whatever had been ditched. -- Tim Powys-Lybbe                                          tim@powys.org              For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jan 18 22:21:43 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EzLYp-2n4000-02-1J8m."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 22:21:43 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EzLYp-2n4000-02-1J8m; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 22:13:47 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EzLYp-2n4000-02; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 22:13:47 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EzLYo-0005MF-VC; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 22:13:47 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EzMXl-0008Pc-PV; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 23:16:46 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EzLXK-0003BM-MU for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 22:12:14 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.89] (helo=anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EzLXK-0003BH-EK for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 22:12:14 +0000 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EzLPN-000FkC-3H for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 22:04:01 +0000 Message-ID: <01zvx4F8zrzDFw6b@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 22:11:08 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SparkFS terminates SyncDiscs References: <1e8959eb4d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <1e8959eb4d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, >The NoError module will have allowed the error to vanish when I got up >in the morning. And I have never seen any Errors reported in >SyncDisc's log - is there some way I can set it to report mildly on >errors? No. In my experience when it all ends in tears, SyncDiscs sticks up an error window. I gather you have some sort of thingumy that stops error windows. I think there is somewhere an extra for RISC OS that logs system activity including errors, perhaps that would help. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jan 18 22:21:43 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EzLbQ-4e4000-04-1239."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 22:21:43 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EzLbQ-4e4000-04-1239; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 22:16:29 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EzLbQ-4e4000-04; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 22:16:29 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.35] (helo=smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EzLbQ-0004Fq-Cv; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 22:16:28 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EzKgQ-0006St-Op; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 21:17:35 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EzLUg-0002sz-6O for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 22:09:30 +0000 Received: from [194.158.229.43] (helo=mail-ps.sunrise.ch) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EzLUf-0002sp-Rt for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 22:09:29 +0000 Received: from localhost.com.smile.ch (194.230.8.240) by mail-ps.sunrise.ch (7.2.066) id 43C5082E000A3704 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 23:09:29 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Enter key for new page To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: JMAH van Vredenburch X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 15:35:31 GMT Message-ID: <2d0437eb4d.janvred@smile.ch> References: <4cf285e54d.chris@cumbrian.demon.co.uk> <4de58d6645john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4deae29af2kh@waikato.ac.nz> In-Reply-To: <4deae29af2kh@waikato.ac.nz> X-Organization: Secr. St. Van Vredenburch; CIC-member User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.10) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,DATE_IN_PAST_03_06,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION, IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4deae29af2kh@waikato.ac.nz> Keith Hopper wrote: [snip] > >> Why? They are two distinct keys - and have been used as such on >> machines older >> than RISC OS. Why do you insist on them having identical functions? > > Mm! I have two 'Enter' keys on my keyboard! (no 'Return') My laptop has no 'Enter' key at all. Only a key with an arrow. What's in a name?! JohnvV -- Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Jan 19 00:01:49 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EzN9K-4fWknw-04-10VF."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 00:01:49 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EzN9K-4fWknw-04-10VF; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 23:55:35 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EzN9K-4fWknw-04; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 23:55:35 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.35] (helo=smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EzN9K-00070D-9y; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 23:55:34 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EzMEL-0008J5-55; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 22:56:42 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EzN7v-0002KQ-5x for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 23:54:07 +0000 Received: from [212.159.14.132] (helo=pih-relay05.plus.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EzN7u-0002KJ-TR for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 23:54:06 +0000 Received: from 87.113.10.115.bbplus.pte-ag1.dyn.plus.net ([87.113.10.115] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by pih-relay05.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1EzN7q-0002E2-At for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 23:54:02 +0000 Message-ID: <43CED517.8050807@ukonline.co.uk> Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 23:53:59 +0000 From: Franz Werner User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SparkFS terminates SyncDiscs References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT,X_ACCEPT_LANG autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: > I have just done one of my periodic backups using SyncDiscs. This time > I turned logging on, which I don't always run as it extends the run > time significantly. > > The log stopped rather early. What is stopped at was copying a file > called "SwiftJPEG110/zip" (without the quotes of course). Examining the > relevant directory showed that this file had a Type set to "Data" and > not, as you would expect, to "Zip"; this was because I had not set the > type on downloading it a few days ago. > > My belief is that the process of copying may then somehow ask SparkFS > to open the file to copy the components, which it cannot do so crashes > SyncDiscs with an error. I do not see the error as I think I have a > module which closes error windows after a few seconds (but if so, simply > cannot find that module at the moment). And I could be wrong in my > interpretation on why SyncDiscs stops at this point. > > I use an Obey file to call SyncDiscs primarily to shut down all > programs that might be running and might still be writing to > disc - which SyncDiscs does not like. This Obey file uses a little > module called Terminate which will terminate named tasks if they are > running. Included in the tasks to be shut down is, naturally, SparkFS > but, curiously, this does not kill SparkFS. Nor, curiously, does RMKill > kill SparkFS; it can only be killed by manually going for the menu on > the iconbar and quitting FStoo. > > Has anyone got any views on what might be causing this termination of > SyncDiscs and what I should do to stop it terminating at this sort of > file? > This may perhaps be relevant depending on which format of the filing system you're using. I got crashes of the computer necessitating a hard reset whenever I used SyncDiscs for a full back up. I tracked the culprits down to !NewsDir and another directory which I forget. These were directories with very large content where the application does its own filing to overcome the 77 item per directory limitation of the old format ADFS. I could copy all directories in the root directory one by one using SyncDiscs but not those two. These I could copy separately using normal Copy. Since I moved to the F+ format this problem no longer occurs. Franz Werner -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Jan 19 02:21:55 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EzPJF-1hGGPo-04-1Nus."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 02:21:55 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EzPJF-1hGGPo-04-1Nus; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 02:14:00 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EzPJF-1hGGPo-04; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 02:14:00 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EzPJF-00074V-Eq; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 02:13:57 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EzOBz-0007zi-GA; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 01:02:24 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EzPHL-0004sF-HO for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 02:11:59 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.91] (helo=anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EzPHL-0004s9-7e for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 02:11:59 +0000 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EzPHI-00020A-AR for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 02:11:56 +0000 Message-ID: <4S5cYWLWUvzDFwZ$@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 02:10:30 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SparkFS terminates SyncDiscs References: <43CED517.8050807@ukonline.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <43CED517.8050807@ukonline.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >I got crashes of the computer necessitating a hard reset whenever I >used SyncDiscs for a full back up. I tracked the culprits down to >!NewsDir and another directory which I forget. These were directories >with very large content where the application does its own filing to >overcome the 77 item per directory limitation of the old format ADFS. I >could copy all directories in the root directory one by one using >SyncDiscs but not those two. These I could copy separately using normal Copy. That of course points to a bug in SyncDiscs - perfectly possible, and very deep directory trees would be a likely area. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Jan 19 14:03:31 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EzVxZ-3eHVbs-02-1HGY."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 14:03:31 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EzVxZ-3eHVbs-02-1HGY; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 09:20:02 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EzVxZ-3eHVbs-02; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 09:20:02 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EzVxZ-00031q-Bp; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 09:20:01 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EzVzt-0002aX-68; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 09:22:26 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EzVvW-0006if-Vx for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 09:17:55 +0000 Received: from [212.159.14.213] (helo=ptb-relay04.plus.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EzVvW-0006ia-KB for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 09:17:54 +0000 Received: from [84.92.97.176] (helo=greatest) by ptb-relay04.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1EzVvR-0005Oc-52 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 09:17:49 +0000 Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 09:17:19 GMT From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SparkFS terminates SyncDiscs Message-ID: <653a98eb4d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> References: <43CED517.8050807@ukonline.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <43CED517.8050807@ukonline.co.uk> X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.10) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message of 18 Jan, Franz Werner wrote: > This may perhaps be relevant depending on which format of the filing > system you're using. > > I got crashes of the computer necessitating a hard reset whenever I used > SyncDiscs for a full back up. I tracked the culprits down to !NewsDir > and another directory which I forget. These were directories with very > large content where the application does its own filing to overcome the > 77 item per directory limitation of the old format ADFS. I could copy > all directories in the root directory one by one using SyncDiscs but not > those two. These I could copy separately using normal Copy. > > Since I moved to the F+ format this problem no longer occurs. Thanks for that. This was such a rare problem that I don't think that was the cause. But what interests me is that I have no idea how to tell what format is on my discs. They may all be F+ but how does one tell? -- Tim Powys-Lybbe                                          tim@powys.org              For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Jan 19 14:23:24 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ezabk-0aBVbs-01-n2p."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 14:23:24 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ezabk-0aBVbs-01-n2p; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 14:17:50 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ezabk-0aBVbs-01; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 14:17:50 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ezabk-0006hn-6a; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 14:17:48 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1Ezae1-0001nj-Kh; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 14:20:10 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EzaZZ-0001mX-SF for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 14:15:33 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.90] (helo=anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EzaZZ-0001mP-N1 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 14:15:33 +0000 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EzaZY-000LcO-8Y for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 14:15:32 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 14:14:29 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SparkFS terminates SyncDiscs References: <43CED517.8050807@ukonline.co.uk> <653a98eb4d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <653a98eb4d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Thanks for that. This was such a rare problem that I don't think that >was the cause. But what interests me is that I have no idea how to >tell what format is on my discs. They may all be F+ but how does one >tell? I think the format menu tells you? -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Jan 19 14:23:25 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EzacC-1kuknw-03-1L8R."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 14:23:25 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EzacC-1kuknw-03-1L8R; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 14:18:18 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EzacC-1kuknw-03; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 14:18:18 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EzacB-00071V-SY; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 14:18:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1Ezara-0002mz-VH; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 14:34:12 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EzaYv-0001fk-7u for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 14:14:53 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.90] (helo=anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EzaYu-0001fY-OC for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 14:14:52 +0000 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EzaYu-000LRX-78 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 14:14:52 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 14:13:49 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SparkFS terminates SyncDiscs References: <43CED517.8050807@ukonline.co.uk> <653a98eb4d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <653a98eb4d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Non-member submission from [Brian Howlett ] On 19 Jan, Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: > In message of 18 Jan, Franz Werner wrote: > [snip] >> >> Since I moved to the F+ format this problem no longer occurs. > > Thanks for that. This was such a rare problem that I don't think that > was the cause. But what interests me is that I have no idea how to > tell what format is on my discs. They may all be F+ but how does one > tell? > Create a directory, then try to copy more than 77 files in to it? -- Brian Howlett ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Isn't it strange that the same people that laugh at gypsy fortune tellers take economists seriously? -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Jan 19 16:23:33 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EzcYw-2ROVcH-01-4TFZ."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 16:23:33 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EzcYw-2ROVcH-01-4TFZ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 16:23:10 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EzcYw-2ROVcH-01; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 16:23:10 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.35] (helo=smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EzcLI-000735-Sf; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 16:08:56 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EzbQ5-0001tM-FM; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 15:09:53 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EzcGn-00004u-9i for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 16:04:17 +0000 Received: from [212.159.14.131] (helo=pih-relay04.plus.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EzcGm-0008Tq-Vn for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 16:04:17 +0000 Received: from [84.92.97.176] (helo=greatest) by pih-relay04.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1EzcGX-0001Ku-7m for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 16:04:01 +0000 Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 16:00:39 GMT From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SparkFS terminates SyncDiscs Message-ID: <4927bdeb4d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> References: <653a98eb4d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.10) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message of 19 Jan, David Pilling wrote: > Non-member submission from [Brian Howlett > ] > > On 19 Jan, Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: > > > In message of 18 Jan, Franz Werner wrote: > > > [snip] > >> > >> Since I moved to the F+ format this problem no longer occurs. > > > > Thanks for that. This was such a rare problem that I don't think that > > was the cause. But what interests me is that I have no idea how to > > tell what format is on my discs. They may all be F+ but how does one > > tell? > > > Create a directory, then try to copy more than 77 files in to it? Aren't there other formats than F+ that allow more than 77 files per directory? (And I don't mean the pseudo formats such as RaFS, etc.) I vaguely remember an E, plus even, format that would do 77+ files. -- Tim Powys-Lybbe                                          tim@powys.org              For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Jan 19 17:03:33 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ezd6d-0GS00B-01-2XMe."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 17:03:33 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ezd6d-0GS00B-01-2XMe; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 16:57:57 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ezd6d-0GS00B-01; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 16:57:57 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EzcBa-0005mF-6o; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 15:58:54 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1Ezb4G-0004DS-Ho; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 14:47:17 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Ezc64-0006cl-OM for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 15:53:12 +0000 Received: from [82.153.252.44] (helo=mra04.ch.as12513.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ezc64-0006cc-Bl for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 15:53:12 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mra04.ch.as12513.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 493BFC06ED for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 15:53:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mra04.ch.as12513.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mra04.ch.as12513.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 23397-01-96 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 15:53:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from min.lexicon (unknown [82.152.235.13]) by mra04.ch.as12513.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 8C23BC0C22 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 15:53:03 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Martin Longley To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 15:49:43 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS terminates SyncDiscs Message-ID: <4debbc2708mlongley@eclipse.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <653a98eb4d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> References: <43CED517.8050807@ukonline.co.uk> <653a98eb4d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04b (RISC-OS/4.29) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by Eclipse VIRUSshield at eclipse.net.uk Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <653a98eb4d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk>, Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: [Snip] > Thanks for that. This was such a rare problem that I don't think that > was the cause. But what interests me is that I have no idea how to > tell what format is on my discs. They may all be F+ but how does one > tell? Open Task window and type *map F+ shows big map, big directories. Can't remember all the others now by no doubt someone else will. Martin Longley -- mlongley@eclipse.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Jan 19 17:03:33 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ezd6f-000GPq-07-1Zh0."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 17:03:33 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ezd6f-000GPq-07-1Zh0; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 16:58:02 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ezd6f-000GPq-07; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 16:58:02 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ezd6f-0006FN-2Y; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 16:57:53 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1Eze5d-0002u6-2z; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 18:00:53 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Ezd58-0002d8-TX for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 16:56:18 +0000 Received: from [212.227.126.188] (helo=moutng.kundenserver.de) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ezd58-0002cw-4v for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 16:56:18 +0000 Received: from [62.180.24.127] (helo=bach) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu2) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKwtQ-1Ezd570Ftn-0002Sz; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 17:56:17 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SparkFS terminates SyncDiscs To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.11b10 Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 17:56:51 +0100 Message-ID: <824cc2eb4d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <653a98eb4d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <4927bdeb4d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4927bdeb4d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.30b10 (MsgServe/3.11b1) (RISC-OS/5.10) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4927bdeb4d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: > In message of 19 Jan, David Pilling wrote: > >> Non-member submission from [Brian Howlett >> ] >> >> On 19 Jan, Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: >> >> > But what interests me is that I have no idea how to tell what format >> > is on my discs. They may all be F+ but how does one tell? >> > >> Create a directory, then try to copy more than 77 files in to it? > > Aren't there other formats than F+ that allow more than 77 files per > directory? (And I don't mean the pseudo formats such as RaFS, etc.) I > vaguely remember an E, plus even, format that would do 77+ files. No, the letters "E" and "F" have no meaning in hard disc context. A hard disc is either "+" format (supported by RO4 and above) or it has the ten chars/77 entries restriction. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Jan 19 17:03:34 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ezd7t-08C00X-01-66yo."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 17:03:34 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ezd7t-08C00X-01-66yo; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 16:59:17 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ezd7t-08C00X-01; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 16:59:17 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EzcIn-00058v-H0; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 16:06:21 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EzcY2-0004ng-Qn; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 16:22:08 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EzcBk-0007ZH-Sa for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 15:59:04 +0000 Received: from [212.159.14.131] (helo=pih-relay04.plus.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EzcBk-0007Z9-M2 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 15:59:04 +0000 Received: from [84.92.97.176] (helo=greatest) by pih-relay04.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1EzcBf-0006ka-B8 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 15:58:59 +0000 Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 15:57:41 GMT From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SparkFS terminates SyncDiscs Message-ID: References: <653a98eb4d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.10) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message of 19 Jan, David Pilling wrote: > >Thanks for that. This was such a rare problem that I don't think that > >was the cause. But what interests me is that I have no idea how to > >tell what format is on my discs. They may all be F+ but how does one > >tell? > > I think the format menu tells you? It's greyed out on my Iyonix. -- Tim Powys-Lybbe                                          tim@powys.org              For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Jan 19 17:13:34 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EzdH1-3onko2-03-1z6C."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 17:13:34 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EzdH1-3onko2-03-1z6C; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 17:08:38 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EzdH1-3onko2-03; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 17:08:38 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EzdEX-0001ki-03; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 17:06:01 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EzeDY-0004YP-5j; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 18:09:04 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EzdCv-0003y4-0F for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 17:04:21 +0000 Received: from [212.159.14.131] (helo=pih-relay04.plus.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EzdCu-0003xY-Mi for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 17:04:20 +0000 Received: from [84.92.97.176] (helo=greatest) by pih-relay04.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1EzdCr-0000AJ-IL for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 17:04:17 +0000 Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 17:00:53 GMT From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS terminates SyncDiscs Message-ID: <08abc2eb4d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> References: <43CED517.8050807@ukonline.co.uk> <653a98eb4d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <4debbc2708mlongley@eclipse.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4debbc2708mlongley@eclipse.co.uk> X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.10) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message of 19 Jan, Martin Longley wrote: > In article <653a98eb4d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk>, > Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: > > [Snip] > > > Thanks for that. This was such a rare problem that I don't think that > > was the cause. But what interests me is that I have no idea how to > > tell what format is on my discs. They may all be F+ but how does one > > tell? > > Open Task window and type > *map > F+ shows big map, big directories. > > Can't remember all the others now by no doubt someone else will. Indeed I get "big map, big directories" on both the RPC and Iyo. But is this solely produced by F+ formatting? (I though E+ achieved much the same.) -- Tim Powys-Lybbe                                          tim@powys.org              For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jan 20 13:46:15 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EzrQm-0w7000-01-14Jr."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 13:46:15 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EzrQm-0w7000-01-14Jr; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 08:15:37 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EzrQm-0w7000-01; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 08:15:37 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EzrQm-0003IS-GX; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 08:15:36 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1Ezrg8-00029q-JS; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 08:31:30 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.52) id 1EzrP1-0004iT-HO for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 08:13:47 +0000 Received: from [195.121.6.175] (helo=hnexfe09.hetnet.nl) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1EzrP1-0004iK-5V for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 08:13:47 +0000 Received: from hnexvs05.HETNET.LOCAL ([10.94.9.118]) by hnexfe09.hetnet.nl with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6874); Fri, 20 Jan 2006 09:13:37 +0100 Received: from mail pickup service by hnexvs05.HETNET.LOCAL with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 09:12:50 +0100 Received: from hnexfe17.hetnet.nl ([10.94.9.105]) by hnexvs05.HETNET.LOCAL with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 19 Jan 2006 20:12:43 +0100 Received: from smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.33]) by hnexfe17.hetnet.nl with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 19 Jan 2006 18:07:26 +0100 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EzdGG-0004YF-3G; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 17:07:49 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EzdCv-0003y4-0F for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 17:04:21 +0000 Received: from [212.159.14.131] (helo=pih-relay04.plus.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EzdCu-0003xY-Mi for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 17:04:20 +0000 Received: from [84.92.97.176] (helo=greatest) by pih-relay04.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1EzdCr-0000AJ-IL for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 17:04:17 +0000 Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 17:00:53 GMT From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS terminates SyncDiscs Message-ID: <08abc2eb4d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> References: <43CED517.8050807@ukonline.co.uk> <653a98eb4d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <4debbc2708mlongley@eclipse.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4debbc2708mlongley@eclipse.co.uk> X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.10) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-maillist: softwarelist X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jan 2006 17:07:26.0289 (UTC) FILETIME=[D265F410:01C61D1A] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message of 19 Jan, Martin Longley wrote: > In article <653a98eb4d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk>, > Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: > > [Snip] > > > Thanks for that. This was such a rare problem that I don't think that > > was the cause. But what interests me is that I have no idea how to > > tell what format is on my discs. They may all be F+ but how does one > > tell? > > Open Task window and type > *map > F+ shows big map, big directories. > > Can't remember all the others now by no doubt someone else will. Indeed I get "big map, big directories" on both the RPC and Iyo. But is this solely produced by F+ formatting? (I though E+ achieved much the same.) -- Tim Powys-Lybbe                                          tim@powys.org              For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jan 20 13:46:19 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Eztmu-1HaVbs-01-11xj."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 13:46:19 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Eztmu-1HaVbs-01-11xj; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 10:46:37 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Eztmu-1HaVbs-01; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 10:46:37 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Eztmu-0001fA-D7; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 10:46:36 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EztnC-0007um-CO; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 10:46:55 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.52) id 1Eztkp-0006RI-E9 for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 10:44:27 +0000 Received: from [212.187.204.18] (helo=zen.orpheusnet.co.uk) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Eztkp-0006R9-1O for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 10:44:27 +0000 Received: from rpc.rayhome (dsl82-163-182-126.as15444.net [82.163.182.126]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id k0KAhv6N011038 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 10:44:02 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Favre To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 17:07:14 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OPro Changed response with OS4.39? Message-ID: <4deb3f6a0aray@rayfavre.me.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4deb23e57aray@rayfavre.me.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.02f (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-orpheus-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-orpheus-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.204, required 5, autolearn=disabled, AWL -0.15, DATE_IN_PAST_24_48 0.30, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.05) X-MailScanner-From: Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,DATE_IN_PAST_24_48,IN_REP_TO, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , Martin Wuerthner wrote: > In message <4deb23e57aray@rayfavre.me.uk> Ray Favre > wrote: > > This is not earth-shattering but since I installed the RO4.39 ROM > > there has been a change in the response of my OPro 2.67. > > > > [...] I do a plus to copy the complete address > > currently in the letter's frame, followed by a to paste > > the copied address into the envelope frame. > > > > This always worked perfectly but, since the new RO, the pasted > > text appears with its line feeds converted to spaces i.e. so that > > all the address text is there but not formatted onto its original > > lines. > > > > As I haven't knowingly changed anything in OPro I'm a bit > > puzzled, although it's no big deal. > This behaviour is caused by the enhanced global clipboard support > in RO Select (namely the ClipboardHolder module), which triggers a > bug in the global clipboard handling of old versions of OPro (only > if the "Global clipboard" option is set in OPro). To fix it, you > will either have to switch the "Global clipboard" option off in > OPro or upgrade to the latest version - OPro 2.75 is fine. Ah! Thankyou. I've now got 2.76. (I knew there must be some reason for upgrades!) -- Regards from Ray Favre. Email at: Web site at: Tel: (+44) (0)1895 444410 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jan 20 13:46:20 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EzvVL-1blknw-02-18lo."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 13:46:20 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EzvVL-1blknw-02-18lo; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 12:36:36 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EzvVL-1blknw-02; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 12:36:36 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EzvVL-0007G0-NQ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 12:36:35 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1Ezvkl-0002f5-1o; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 12:52:32 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.52) id 1EzvTf-0001Mp-HM for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 12:34:51 +0000 Received: from [195.188.213.8] (helo=smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1EzvTf-0001Ma-5z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 12:34:51 +0000 Received: from x1-6-00-01-3d-1b-25-02.agse00.blueyonder.co.uk ([82.41.125.105]) by smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Fri, 20 Jan 2006 12:35:50 +0000 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS terminates SyncDiscs To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Alan Gibson X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 12:32:51 GMT Message-ID: <20f72dec4d.Alan@agse00.blueyonder.co.uk> References: <43CED517.8050807@ukonline.co.uk> <653a98eb4d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <4debbc2708mlongley@eclipse.co.uk> <08abc2eb4d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <08abc2eb4d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Liquid Silicon User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/4.39) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jan 2006 12:35:50.0891 (UTC) FILETIME=[0BFF4BB0:01C61DBE] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > Indeed I get "big map, big directories" on both the RPC and Iyo. But > is this solely produced by F+ formatting? (I though E+ achieved much > the same.) IIRC E+ is for hard drives, F+ for floppies. Alan -- Liquid Silicon - RISC OS dealers & developers - www.liquid-silicon.com Liquid Productions - Musicals and hire - www.liquid-productions.org.uk Sailor the Musical World Premiere - www.sailorthemusicaljourney.co.uk Tel: 01592 592265 - Fax: 01592 596102 - mailto:info@liquid-silicon.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jan 20 13:46:23 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EzwV2-33OVbs-04-1Op9."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 13:46:23 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EzwV2-33OVbs-04-1Op9; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 13:40:21 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EzwV2-33OVbs-04; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 13:40:21 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EzwV2-0003l0-Di; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 13:40:20 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EzwkR-0000zM-Qx; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 13:56:17 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.52) id 1EzwTP-0001Ck-7P for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 13:38:39 +0000 Received: from [212.159.14.213] (helo=ptb-relay02.plus.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1EzwTO-0001Ce-So for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 13:38:38 +0000 Received: from 87.113.10.115.bbplus.pte-ag1.dyn.plus.net ([87.113.10.115] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by ptb-relay04.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1EzwTK-0006Ub-6F for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 13:38:34 +0000 Message-ID: <43D0E7D7.2050600@ukonline.co.uk> Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 13:38:31 +0000 From: Franz Werner User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SparkFS terminates SyncDiscs References: <43CED517.8050807@ukonline.co.uk> <4S5cYWLWUvzDFwZ$@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4S5cYWLWUvzDFwZ$@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT,X_ACCEPT_LANG autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) David Pilling wrote: >> I got crashes of the computer necessitating a hard reset whenever I >> used SyncDiscs for a full back up. I tracked the culprits down to >> !NewsDir and another directory which I forget. These were directories >> with very large content where the application does its own filing to >> overcome the 77 item per directory limitation of the old format ADFS. >> I could copy all directories in the root directory one by one using >> SyncDiscs but not those two. These I could copy separately using >> normal Copy. > > > That of course points to a bug in SyncDiscs - perfectly possible, and > very deep directory trees would be a likely area. > > I suspected so, but didn't report it at the time as you'd indicated that there would be no further development of SyncDiscs. I also knew I'd be moving to F+ format on the hard discs. The problem having gone away with that move does seem to suggest that there is a problem within SyncDiscs in the area you suspect. I use SyncDiscs regularly on both Risc and Windows PC's and am very satisfied with it and grateful to you for it. Franz Werner -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jan 20 17:46:22 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1F00BX-05DGPo-04-1Cc8."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 17:46:22 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1F00BX-05DGPo-04-1Cc8; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 17:36:27 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1F00BX-05DGPo-04; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 17:36:27 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1F00BW-00021h-Pe; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 17:36:26 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1Ezz46-0003Jn-K0; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 16:24:43 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.52) id 1F009J-0006dK-6n for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 17:34:09 +0000 Received: from [212.227.126.188] (helo=moutng.kundenserver.de) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1F009I-0006d8-Mp for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 17:34:08 +0000 Received: from [62.180.24.250] (helo=bach) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu5) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0ML25U-1F009H1DVM-0001Z1; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 18:34:07 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS terminates SyncDiscs To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.11b10 Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 18:34:42 +0100 Message-ID: References: <43CED517.8050807@ukonline.co.uk> <653a98eb4d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <4debbc2708mlongley@eclipse.co.uk> <08abc2eb4d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <20f72dec4d.Alan@agse00.blueyonder.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <20f72dec4d.Alan@agse00.blueyonder.co.uk> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.30b10 (MsgServe/3.11b1) (RISC-OS/5.10) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <20f72dec4d.Alan@agse00.blueyonder.co.uk> Alan Gibson wrote: >> Indeed I get "big map, big directories" on both the RPC and Iyo. But >> is this solely produced by F+ formatting? (I though E+ achieved much >> the same.) > > IIRC E+ is for hard drives, F+ for floppies. No, E+ is an 800k floppy, F+ is a 1600k floppy. Hard discs are neither 800k nor 1600k, so both the names "E+" and "F+" have been used for them. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Jan 21 00:36:35 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1F06fT-0rrVbs-06-168C."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 00:36:35 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1F06fT-0rrVbs-06-168C; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 00:31:47 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1F06fT-0rrVbs-06; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 00:31:47 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1F06fT-0004hS-IJ; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 00:31:47 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1F06rb-00059u-2M; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 00:44:19 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.52) id 1F06Rt-0001SU-5b for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 00:17:45 +0000 Received: from [212.187.204.26] (helo=slave.orpheusnet.co.uk) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1F06Rs-0001RC-RX for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 00:17:44 +0000 Received: from Ionyx. (dsl82-163-125-170.as15444.net [82.163.125.170]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0L0HFTp025897 for ; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 00:17:16 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Harrison To: Ovation Pro Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 22:12:37 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Tables Message-ID: <4dec630b79john@jaharrison.me.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.10) Content-Type: text/plain X-orpheus-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-orpheus-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.017, required 5, autolearn=disabled, AWL 0.02) X-MailScanner-From: Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) As a new user, I am still discovering. One thing I can't find (but find it hard to believe it has never been needed) is the ability to create a table (the word isn't in the index of the manual). Nor can I find an Applet to do tables. I wondered whether TableMate would do it, but all I could get into O-Pro was a picture of a table. How do other people create tables in O-Pro? John -- John Harrison - using a British Iyonix PC running RISC-OS5 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Jan 21 01:36:39 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1F07Zj-31TVbs-06-1DkS."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 01:36:39 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1F07Zj-31TVbs-06-1DkS; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 01:29:55 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1F07Zj-31TVbs-06; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 01:29:55 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1F07Zi-0006hE-RB; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 01:29:54 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1F07p8-0003LK-Uw; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 01:45:52 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.52) id 1F07Xu-0006fU-HF for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 01:28:02 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.88] (helo=anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1F07Xt-0006fN-L4 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 01:28:01 +0000 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1F07Xt-000Im0-0V for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 01:28:01 +0000 Message-ID: <9Gjd9MFg3Y0DFwwZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 01:26:56 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Tables References: <4dec630b79john@jaharrison.me.uk> In-Reply-To: <4dec630b79john@jaharrison.me.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >How do other people create tables in O-Pro? Tablemate. 8-( Lack of tables is a major shortcoming. Over the years there have been various schemes that create arrays of text frames to simulate tables. So you might find an applet somewhere. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Jan 21 01:56:40 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1F07yq-2piGPo-04-1Lrr."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 01:56:40 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1F07yq-2piGPo-04-1Lrr; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 01:55:53 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1F07yq-2piGPo-04; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 01:55:53 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1F07yq-0000VW-Fb; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 01:55:52 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1F08BG-0004V2-Pi; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 02:08:43 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.52) id 1F07xP-0000Ri-91 for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 01:54:23 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.88] (helo=anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1F07xP-0000RY-3C for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 01:54:23 +0000 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1F07xO-000LnZ-1W for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 01:54:22 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 01:53:04 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OvHTML 0.41 by Rick Murray References: <009201c61546$e8bb97a0$07f5e5d4@mypc2> <00d001c6156b$fe5fc110$07f5e5d4@mypc2> <4de6be5eadchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <4de6be5eadchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >> > I am attempting to use this addtiion to Ovation Pro but it keeps >> > telling me that my SharedCLib of version of 5.53 dated 14 Mar >> > 2005, as far as it's concerned, is out of date. > >Something very silly there. As far as I know I have the very latest >upgrades for my Iyonix, and it is running the self same >SharedCLibrary version 5.53 (17 Mar 2005). It is in the RISC OS 5.10 >ROM. I've now tried this (in the light of Chris Manning pointing out there is no version check in !Run) and it works with my Iyonix (Shared C Lib 5.49). So I've no idea why the original poster had problems. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Jan 21 13:49:30 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1F09Fw-0YAknw-03-13Xj."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 13:49:30 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1F09Fw-0YAknw-03-13Xj; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 03:17:36 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1F09Fw-0YAknw-03; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 03:17:36 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1F09Fw-0001As-Iq; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 03:17:36 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1F088U-00050X-88; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 02:05:51 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.52) id 1F09EH-0000HQ-Af for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 03:15:53 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.88] (helo=anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1F09EH-0000HK-33 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 03:15:53 +0000 Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([83.104.47.124]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1F09EF-000Daa-2Q for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 03:15:52 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: Ovation Pro Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 01:28:34 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Tables Message-ID: <4dec74fc1fjohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4dec630b79john@jaharrison.me.uk> References: <4dec630b79john@jaharrison.me.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4dec630b79john@jaharrison.me.uk>, John Harrison wrote: > As a new user, I am still discovering. One thing I can't find (but find it > hard to believe it has never been needed) is the ability to create a table > (the word isn't in the index of the manual). Nor can I find an Applet to > do tables. I wondered whether TableMate would do it, but all I could get > into O-Pro was a picture of a table. > How do other people create tables in O-Pro? Create a table in Tablemate and drop it into OPro as a graphic. -- John Cartmell john@ followed by finnybank.com 0845 006 8822 Qercus magazine FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 www.finnybank.com Qercus - the best guide to RISC OS computing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Jan 21 13:49:33 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1F09xA-0Ag000-05-1BN1."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 13:49:33 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1F09xA-0Ag000-05-1BN1; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 04:02:17 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1F09xA-0Ag000-05; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 04:02:17 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1F09xA-000416-PI; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 04:02:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1F08pM-0006hb-Oq; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 02:50:09 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.52) id 1F09ua-0003vu-8w for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 03:59:36 +0000 Received: from [202.38.162.13] (helo=sutra.omninet.net.au) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1F09uZ-0003vi-19 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 03:59:36 +0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by sutra.omninet.net.au (8.10.1/8.10.1) id k0L4CcO16202 for ; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 12:12:38 +0800 Received: from denmarkwa.com.au (203-129-145-76.rev.dft.net.au [203.129.145.76] (may be forged)) by sutra.omninet.net.au (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id k0L4CYf16196 for ; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 12:12:34 +0800 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Tables To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Ross McGuinness X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 12:00:07 +0900 Message-ID: References: <4dec630b79john@jaharrison.me.uk> <9Gjd9MFg3Y0DFwwZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <9Gjd9MFg3Y0DFwwZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Cinnamon Coloureds Farmstay User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.10) POPstar/2.04-pre2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <9Gjd9MFg3Y0DFwwZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> David Pilling wrote: >>How do other people create tables in O-Pro? > > Tablemate. Drop Tablemate into a frame (as a Tablemate file) and Control-double select if you want to go back and edit later. > -- Ross and Bev McGuinness, Cinnamon Coloureds Farmstay, RMB 1017 DENMARK WA 6333 Tel: +61 8 9848 1781 Fax: +61 8 9848 1231 Web: http://www.denmarkwa.com.au/cc/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Jan 21 13:49:37 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1F0Gkn-4FWVbs-06-1D5u."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 13:49:37 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1F0Gkn-4FWVbs-06-1D5u; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 11:17:57 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1F0Gkn-4FWVbs-06; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 11:17:57 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1F0Gkn-0001eW-3Z; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 11:17:57 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1F0FdI-0007y9-Fr; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 10:06:09 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.52) id 1F0GjK-0005Jc-P1 for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 11:16:26 +0000 Received: from [212.158.248.8] (helo=mcr-smtp-002.bulldogdsl.com) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1F0GjK-0005JV-FJ for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 11:16:26 +0000 Received: by mcr-smtp-002.bulldogdsl.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A2A3E846041; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 11:13:35 +0000 (GMT) X-Spam-Abuse: Please report all spam/abuse matters to abuse@bulldogdsl.com Received: from [84.9.234.119] (host-84-9-234-119.bulldogdsl.com [84.9.234.119]) by mcr-smtp-002.bulldogdsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 029AC845FDF for ; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 11:13:33 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <43D2185B.3060800@ed.ac.uk> Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 11:17:47 +0000 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Tables References: <4dec630b79john@jaharrison.me.uk> <9Gjd9MFg3Y0DFwwZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <9Gjd9MFg3Y0DFwwZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT,X_ACCEPT_LANG autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) David Pilling wrote: >> How do other people create tables in O-Pro? > > > Tablemate. > > 8-( > > Lack of tables is a major shortcoming. > > Over the years there have been various schemes that create arrays of > text frames to simulate tables. So you might find an applet somewhere. I've always done it this way, but I've never come across an applet. If there is one, I'd like to know about it. -- Clive Bonsall email: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Jan 21 13:49:38 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1F0H1a-3BKVbs-01-WCX."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 13:49:38 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1F0H1a-3BKVbs-01-WCX; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 11:35:19 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1F0H1a-3BKVbs-01; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 11:35:19 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1F0H1a-0007cy-AQ; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 11:35:18 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1F0HH0-0003Do-Aw; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 11:51:15 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.52) id 1F0H07-0007ln-3c for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 11:33:47 +0000 Received: from [212.126.144.54] (helo=relay.freeuk.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1F0H06-0007lf-Rx for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 11:33:46 +0000 Received: from du-002-0059.freeuk.com ([212.126.156.59] helo=bbailey.freeuk.com.) by relay.freeuk.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1F0H05-000GI5-8w for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 11:33:46 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Brian Bailey To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 11:33:08 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Tables Message-ID: <4decac55a1bbailey@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4dec630b79john@jaharrison.me.uk> <9Gjd9MFg3Y0DFwwZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , Ross McGuinness wrote: > In message <9Gjd9MFg3Y0DFwwZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> > David Pilling wrote: > >>How do other people create tables in O-Pro? > > > > Tablemate. > Drop Tablemate into a frame (as a Tablemate file) and Control-double > select if you want to go back and edit later. Or, export as a Draw file from Tablemate, especially useful if you want to re=scale in some way. Or, drop into a portrait page and rotate 90 deg. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Jan 21 13:49:40 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1F0HZ8-25yVbs-07-1Ko5."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 13:49:40 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1F0HZ8-25yVbs-07-1Ko5; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 12:09:59 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1F0HZ8-25yVbs-07; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 12:09:59 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1F0HZ8-0004Fo-4N; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 12:09:58 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1F0HZK-0003bX-SW; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 12:10:11 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.52) id 1F0HTu-00024W-9Y for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 12:04:34 +0000 Received: from [212.126.144.54] (helo=relay.freeuk.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1F0HTu-00022x-0I for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 12:04:34 +0000 Received: from du-002-0113.freeuk.com ([212.126.156.113] helo=bbailey.freeuk.com.) by relay.freeuk.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1F0HTe-000H1j-8h for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 12:04:19 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Brian Bailey To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 12:02:47 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Tables Message-ID: <4decaf0c5cbbailey@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4decac55a1bbailey@argonet.co.uk> References: <4dec630b79john@jaharrison.me.uk> <9Gjd9MFg3Y0DFwwZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4decac55a1bbailey@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 21 Jan, bbailey@argonet.co.uk wrote: > In article , Ross > McGuinness wrote: > > In message <9Gjd9MFg3Y0DFwwZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> David Pilling > > wrote: > > >>How do other people create tables in O-Pro? > > > > > > Tablemate. > > Drop Tablemate into a frame (as a Tablemate file) and Control-double > > select if you want to go back and edit later. > Or, export as a Draw file from Tablemate, especially useful if you want > to re=scale in some way. Or, drop into a portrait page and rotate 90 deg. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ That's rubbish. Try again. You might have two adjacent pages, portrait, with one page of text and the other, opposite page, containing a table - landscape - within the portrait page. A very common occurrence. A Tablemate file may not give an exact fit but the exported Draw file can be rotated and scaled accordingly. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Jan 21 13:49:40 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1F0HZL-3fq000-08-13kq."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 13:49:40 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1F0HZL-3fq000-08-13kq; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 12:10:12 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1F0HZL-3fq000-08; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 12:10:12 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.35] (helo=smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1F0HZL-0005xE-J3; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 12:10:11 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1F0GeF-0001NJ-17; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 11:11:12 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.52) id 1F0HV1-0002BS-Ut for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 12:05:43 +0000 Received: from [195.188.213.4] (helo=smtp-out1.blueyonder.co.uk) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1F0HV1-0002B0-Qq for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 12:05:43 +0000 Received: from localhost.com.nom ([213.48.224.187]) by smtp-out1.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Sat, 21 Jan 2006 12:06:37 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ian Hamilton To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 12:04:19 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Tables Message-ID: <4decaf304cIan.Hamilton@AAUG.net> In-Reply-To: <4decac55a1bbailey@argonet.co.uk> References: <4dec630b79john@jaharrison.me.uk> <9Gjd9MFg3Y0DFwwZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4decac55a1bbailey@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.10) Content-Type: text/plain X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jan 2006 12:06:40.0199 (UTC) FILETIME=[22EAA570:01C61E83] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4decac55a1bbailey@argonet.co.uk>, Brian Bailey wrote: > In article , Ross > McGuinness wrote: > > In message <9Gjd9MFg3Y0DFwwZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> David Pilling > > wrote: > > >>How do other people create tables in O-Pro? > > > > > > Tablemate. > > Drop Tablemate into a frame (as a Tablemate file) and Control-double > > select if you want to go back and edit later. > Or, export as a Draw file from Tablemate, especially useful if you want > to re=scale in some way. Or, drop into a portrait page and rotate 90 > deg. You can do that with the Tablemate file but retain the ability to edit it as well. Ian -- Ian Hamilton (RISC PC RO4) http://www.hamiltoni.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ (Iyonix RO5) Programs compatible with RISC OS 3/4/5 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Jan 21 13:49:43 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1F0I2k-33O000-02-13HR."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 13:49:43 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1F0I2k-33O000-02-13HR; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 12:40:35 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1F0I2k-33O000-02; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 12:40:35 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.35] (helo=smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1F0I2k-0001m1-Hu; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 12:40:34 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1F0H7i-000595-QY; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 11:41:39 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.52) id 1F0I1I-0005db-36 for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 12:39:04 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.90] (helo=anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1F0I1H-0005dW-Qe for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 21 Jan 2006