From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Jul 2 13:54:15 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DoaJT-0006p7-5W-0006pn."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 2 Jul 2005 13:54:15 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DoaJT-0006p7-5W; Sat, 02 Jul 2005 05:13:13 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DoaJT-0006p7-5W; Sat, 02 Jul 2005 05:13:11 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DoaJT-0004W8-Im; Sat, 02 Jul 2005 05:13:11 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DoaIh-0002KC-Mu; Sat, 02 Jul 2005 06:12:23 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j625CCh02971 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 2 Jul 2005 06:12:12 +0100 Received: from mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.48]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j625CBa02966 for ; Sat, 2 Jul 2005 06:12:11 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from dsl-80-41-190-138.access.as9105.com ([80.41.190.138]:10010 helo=dave.nom) by mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DoaHA-000ESG-PF for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 02 Jul 2005 06:10:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2005 06:10:34 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro for Windows - Thesaurus Message-ID: <4d83fe9cf6dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4d83dc9f7djohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> References: <7671bb824d.pbready@ntlworld.com> <7671bb824d.pbready@ntlworld.com> <0p6vmSJU50wCFwXZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4.2.0.58.20050701180418.00948780@pop.ntlworld.com> <4d83cba162dfs@ukgateway.net> <4d83dc9f7djohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4d83dc9f7djohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk>, John Cartmell wrote: > In article , > David Pilling wrote: > > In general I'm surprised someone has not done an extension to RISC OS > > that either stacks or hides icon bar icons. > You can do both using 3rd party software but you'll have to wait for > Select 4/5 for inbuilt options. It would also be a boon, if we could get away from large icons, or at least make configurable, the size of the icon bar icons. I can see no reason why they should be full size and fixed at that, as half size icons (or whatever) would be okay and give the impression of a lot more icon bar real estate. Cheers Dave S -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Jul 2 13:54:18 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Doaqx-0002QT-D3-0002RL."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 2 Jul 2005 13:54:18 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Doaqx-0002QT-D3; Sat, 02 Jul 2005 05:47:48 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Doaqx-0002QT-D3; Sat, 02 Jul 2005 05:47:47 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Doaqw-0006tt-SO; Sat, 02 Jul 2005 05:47:46 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Doaqf-0004S8-LY; Sat, 02 Jul 2005 06:47:29 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j625lOi20602 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 2 Jul 2005 06:47:24 +0100 Received: from ptb-relay03.plus.net (ptb-relay03.plus.net [212.159.14.214]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j625lOA20597 for ; Sat, 2 Jul 2005 06:47:24 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [84.92.97.176] (helo=greatest) by ptb-relay03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1DoaqZ-0007TE-Le for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 02 Jul 2005 06:47:23 +0100 Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2005 06:44:13 +0100 From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro for Windows - Thesaurus Message-ID: References: <4d83cba162dfs@ukgateway.net> <4d83d9bbfajohn@acornusers.org> In-Reply-To: <4d83d9bbfajohn@acornusers.org> X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.21 (MsgServe/3.05) (RISC-OS/5.09) POPstar/2.06-ds.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message of 1 Jul, John M Ward wrote: > In article , > David Pilling wrote: > > In general I'm surprised someone has not done an extension to RISC OS > > that either stacks or hides icon bar icons. > > This has been done in certain cases for filing system icons (e.g. Cumana > SCSI) but the auto-scrolling iconbar is an intelligent and user-friendly > way to cope with more icons that display width. When I look at other > "taskbar" systems I /could/ nention I am more than happy with this > arrangement. It isn't exactly a big issue, I'd have thought. Not a big issue but then computing is a story of reducing the inconveniences and increasing the utilities. I would appreciate something to stack iconbar icons: I have nine printer icons that could usefully be reduced to one stack and four card reader icons that ditto. Between them this occupies half the screen width. I know the currently unused printers can be set to inactive but that is not as convenient as a stack. -- Tim Powys-Lybbe                                          tim@powys.org              For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Jul 2 13:54:20 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Doavi-0003UX-L8-0003Uy."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 2 Jul 2005 13:54:20 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Doavi-0003UX-L8; Sat, 02 Jul 2005 05:52:43 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Doavi-0003UX-L8; Sat, 02 Jul 2005 05:52:42 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Doavi-0004SH-CU; Sat, 02 Jul 2005 05:52:42 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DoavS-0006bH-Tu; Sat, 02 Jul 2005 06:52:26 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j625qOW22633 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 2 Jul 2005 06:52:24 +0100 Received: from pih-relay06.plus.net (fuzznuts.plus.net [212.159.14.133] (may be forged)) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j625qO622630 for ; Sat, 2 Jul 2005 06:52:24 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [84.92.97.176] (helo=greatest) by pih-relay06.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1DoavQ-0006QW-Ap for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 02 Jul 2005 06:52:24 +0100 Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2005 06:49:19 +0100 From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro for Windows - Thesaurus Message-ID: <292902844d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> References: <4d83cba162dfs@ukgateway.net> <4d83dc9f7djohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d83fe9cf6dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4d83fe9cf6dfs@ukgateway.net> X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.21 (MsgServe/3.05) (RISC-OS/5.09) POPstar/2.06-ds.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message of 2 Jul, Dave Symes wrote: > In article <4d83dc9f7djohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk>, > John Cartmell wrote: > > In article , > > David Pilling wrote: > > > In general I'm surprised someone has not done an extension to RISC OS > > > that either stacks or hides icon bar icons. > > > You can do both using 3rd party software but you'll have to wait for > > Select 4/5 for inbuilt options. I could even think of paying money for that; sounds like a reason for saving for Select for Iyo. > It would also be a boon, if we could get away from large icons, or at > least make configurable, the size of the icon bar icons. > I can see no reason why they should be full size and fixed at that, as > half size icons (or whatever) would be okay and give the impression of a > lot more icon bar real estate. A related problem is the width of the text for disc and printer icons. "HardDisc4" cries out for surgery but the consequences might be grave. -- Tim Powys-Lybbe                                          tim@powys.org              For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Jul 2 13:54:23 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Docil-0001aB-GK-0001al."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 2 Jul 2005 13:54:23 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Docil-0001aB-GK; Sat, 02 Jul 2005 07:47:28 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Docil-0001aB-GK; Sat, 02 Jul 2005 07:47:27 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Docik-0002Z5-SA; Sat, 02 Jul 2005 07:47:26 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DociD-00074N-NK; Sat, 02 Jul 2005 08:46:53 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j627kOZ03898 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 2 Jul 2005 08:46:24 +0100 Received: from smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.139]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with SMTP id j627kOV03895 for ; Sat, 2 Jul 2005 08:46:24 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: (qmail 704 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2005 07:46:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Iyonix) (brian?howlett@86.131.224.34 with plain) by smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2005 07:46:19 -0000 Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2005 08:45:12 +0100 From: Brian Howlett To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro for Windows - Thesaurus Message-ID: <5cc50c844d.Brian@btinternet.com> References: <4d83cba162dfs@ukgateway.net> <4d83dc9f7djohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d83fe9cf6dfs@ukgateway.net> <292902844d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <292902844d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: You havin' a laff or wot? User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.21 (MsgServe/3.05) (RISC-OS/5.09) POPstar/2.05 X-Computer: Iyonix Panther X-Editor: Zap 1.46 (19 Oct 2004) [TEST], ZapEmail 0.27 (21 Mar 2003) test-6 (32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 2 Jul, Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: [snip] > > A related problem is the width of the text for disc and printer icons. > "HardDisc4" cries out for surgery but the consequences might be grave. > There's always !MiniDisc, available at . Sadly I don't think Jamie Temple has worked on it for some time - it currently stacks your drives and apps in to a single icon, and was intended to do something similar for printers. Perhaps some enterprising soul might be able to take over development, if Jamie is agreeable? -- Brian Howlett ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Isn't it strange that the same people that laugh at gypsy fortune tellers take economists seriously? -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Jul 2 13:54:27 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Doe3g-00015N-8F-00015n."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 2 Jul 2005 13:54:27 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Doe3g-00015N-8F; Sat, 02 Jul 2005 09:13:09 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Doe3g-00015N-8F; Sat, 02 Jul 2005 09:13:08 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Doe3g-0001Gd-C0; Sat, 02 Jul 2005 09:13:08 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Doe1h-0006YT-JG; Sat, 02 Jul 2005 10:11:05 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j629AmF18160 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 2 Jul 2005 10:10:48 +0100 Received: from smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.6]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j629AmH18153 for ; Sat, 2 Jul 2005 10:10:48 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from faxcomm ([82.34.56.52]) by smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Sat, 2 Jul 2005 10:11:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John M Ward To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2005 10:12:07 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro for Windows - Thesaurus Message-ID: <4d8414ba43john@acornusers.org> In-Reply-To: References: <4d83cba162dfs@ukgateway.net> <4d83d9bbfajohn@acornusers.org> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03j (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jul 2005 09:11:30.0663 (UTC) FILETIME=[08E37770:01C57EE6] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: > In message of 1 Jul, John M Ward wrote: > > In article , > > David Pilling wrote: > > > > In general I'm surprised someone has not done an extension to > > > RISC OS that either stacks or hides icon bar icons. > > > > This has been done in certain cases for filing system icons (e.g. > > Cumana SCSI) but the auto-scrolling iconbar is an intelligent and > > user-friendly way to cope with more icons that display width. When > > I look at other "taskbar" systems I /could/ nention I am more than > > happy with this arrangement. It isn't exactly a big issue, I'd > > have thought. > Not a big issue but then computing is a story of reducing the > inconveniences and increasing the utilities. Oh, yes indeed. No argument from me on that, but I am aware that "our" application programmers' time might be more usefully spent on other matters -- though a utility to modify the icon bar's bahviour could be devised by one of the once-numerous utility writers. It might even be something for the OS writers to implement, at least in part: say, for drive icons and printer icons, as you mention below as being particular issues. > I would appreciate something to stack iconbar icons: I have nine > printer icons that could usefully be reduced to one stack and four > card reader icons that ditto. Between them this occupies half the > screen width. Yup: I had the same thing with a four-way card reader, and even on a 1600 pixel wide display the iconbar was getting a bit full. I had almost forgotten those days, before the camera plugged straight into the Iyonix and avoided the need for the card reader. Good point... > I know the currently unused printers can be set to inactive but that > is not as convenient as a stack. This is true, so I have left all four "printers" (i.e. including ArcFax) as active on the 2-slice RiscPC here. As far as the Thesaurus is concerned, I wonder if it would take a significant amount of work to enable it to run without an iconbar presence if required -- like Aemulor and !Pdf, for example. It is just a thought that I mention on the off-chance that it might be feasible. -- John M Ward : RISC OS computing since 1987, now Iyonix-powered! Acorn/RISC OS web page: www.john-ward.org.uk/personal/john/computers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Jul 2 13:54:30 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DoeH7-00069f-Ha-0006AN."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 2 Jul 2005 13:54:30 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DoeH7-00069f-Ha; Sat, 02 Jul 2005 09:27:03 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DoeH7-00069f-Ha; Sat, 02 Jul 2005 09:27:01 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DoeH7-0005Yv-7z; Sat, 02 Jul 2005 09:27:01 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DoeGu-0001od-0G; Sat, 02 Jul 2005 10:26:48 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j629QgS20780 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 2 Jul 2005 10:26:42 +0100 Received: from ranger.systems.pipex.net (ranger.systems.pipex.net [62.241.162.32]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j629QgY20777 for ; Sat, 2 Jul 2005 10:26:42 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from MARSDEN9.btinternet.com (81-86-166-106.dsl.pipex.com [81.86.166.106]) by ranger.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC21DE0002B3 for ; Sat, 2 Jul 2005 10:26:41 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <6.0.3.0.2.20050702094859.01e07fc8@mail.btinternet.com> X-Sender: phillip.marsden@mail.btinternet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.3.0 Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2005 10:20:25 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Phillip Marsden Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro for Windows - Thesaurus In-Reply-To: <292902844d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> References: <4d83cba162dfs@ukgateway.net> <4d83dc9f7djohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d83fe9cf6dfs@ukgateway.net> <292902844d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-4ABB629C Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) At 06:49 02/07/2005, Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: >In message of 2 Jul, Dave Symes wrote: > > > In article <4d83dc9f7djohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk>, > > John Cartmell wrote: > > > In article , > > > David Pilling wrote: > > > > In general I'm surprised someone has not done an extension to RISC OS > > > > that either stacks or hides icon bar icons. > > > > > You can do both using 3rd party software but you'll have to wait for > > > Select 4/5 for inbuilt options. > >I could even think of paying money for that; sounds like a reason for >saving for Select for Iyo. > > > It would also be a boon, if we could get away from large icons, or at > > least make configurable, the size of the icon bar icons. > > I can see no reason why they should be full size and fixed at that, as > > half size icons (or whatever) would be okay and give the impression of a > > lot more icon bar real estate. > >A related problem is the width of the text for disc and printer icons. >"HardDisc4" cries out for surgery but the consequences might be grave. This portion of this thread where people are making suggestions for the alteration of the RISC OS GUI (I won't say improvements as this will no doubt have people attacking me) reminds me of when I entered the RISC OS market. While I liked the way that some of the applications worked (enough to cause me to buy this non-mainstream system), I was not ecstatic about the interface, and made comments about the appearance of the interface which I believed to be like a child's toy, chunky and clumsy-looking. This was at a time when the Mac and Windows GUI presented a much neater and more professional appearance. I argued that a more professional appearance would make RISC OS more acceptable in an office environment. I was of course derided for these views, as it was apparently forbidden to criticise the great god Style Guide. I did not know at that time that the Style Guide was everything, that there was nothing that could improve upon the Style Guide. Forgive me for being so ignorant, oh great Style Guide. Various reasons were given for this chunky look, such as the "need" to make things look better on a TV. For goodness sake! Using a computer with a TV went out with the ark in the late 1980's along with the BBC and all the other early PCs. It seemed to me that people were clutching at straws to justify the appearance of the RISC OS GUI, but I was a lone voice and was therefore wrong. While there has been an aberration in the new XP style (I still use the Classical look) Windows and Mac continue to give a more professional appearance, and it is satisfying to see other people begin to voice dissatisfaction about the appearance of the RISC OS GUI. Facilities which have long been available in other GUI are long overdue, but have been available from third-party suppliers as John Cartmell points out. At least they could see what the diehards and Style Guiders could not see. -- Regards, Phillip Marsden. phillip.marsden@btinternet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.8/35 - Release Date: 30/06/2005 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Jul 2 16:54:18 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DokBN-0002Sr-Ct-0002TP."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 2 Jul 2005 16:54:18 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DokBN-0002Sr-Ct; Sat, 02 Jul 2005 15:45:30 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DokBN-0002Sr-Ct; Sat, 02 Jul 2005 15:45:30 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DokBN-00030N-Qr; Sat, 02 Jul 2005 15:45:29 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DokAl-0006Xv-QY; Sat, 02 Jul 2005 16:44:51 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j62AU2C01312 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 2 Jul 2005 11:30:02 +0100 Received: from mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.39]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j62AU1701306 for ; Sat, 2 Jul 2005 11:30:02 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from dsl-80-41-183-165.access.as9105.com ([80.41.183.165]:10728 helo=dave.nom) by mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DofG5-0003V1-F6 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 02 Jul 2005 10:30:01 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2005 11:22:01 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro for Windows - Thesaurus Message-ID: <4d841b20dcdfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <292902844d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> References: <4d83cba162dfs@ukgateway.net> <4d83dc9f7djohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d83fe9cf6dfs@ukgateway.net> <292902844d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <292902844d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk>, Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: > A related problem is the width of the text for disc and printer icons. > "HardDisc4" cries out for surgery but the consequences might be grave. Ah Well, years ago when I installed my first harddrive an an A3K, I decided from the off that all my Boot Hardisks would be called HD4. Later on this SARPC I did end up with three hardrives, HD4, HD5 and HD6, now that HDs are of much bigger capacity, that's reduced to just two HDs. Nb: For those with a power neurosis... It's a two slice machine and does have the larger power supply. Dave S -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sun Jul 3 02:04:45 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DosmR-0002km-KQ-0002ly."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sun, 3 Jul 2005 02:04:45 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DosmR-0002km-KQ; Sun, 03 Jul 2005 00:56:20 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DosmR-0002km-KQ; Sun, 03 Jul 2005 00:56:19 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DosmR-0000D8-57; Sun, 03 Jul 2005 00:56:19 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DolnK-000636-9F; Sat, 02 Jul 2005 18:28:50 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j62HKdK25433 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 2 Jul 2005 18:20:39 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j62HKdm25430 for ; Sat, 2 Jul 2005 18:20:39 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([83.104.47.124]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1DolfS-000GTo-Lm for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 02 Jul 2005 17:20:39 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2005 18:22:12 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro for Windows - Thesaurus Message-ID: <4d844198e2john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.2.20050702094859.01e07fc8@mail.btinternet.com> References: <4d83cba162dfs@ukgateway.net> <4d83dc9f7djohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d83fe9cf6dfs@ukgateway.net> <292902844d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <6.0.3.0.2.20050702094859.01e07fc8@mail.btinternet.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03j (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <6.0.3.0.2.20050702094859.01e07fc8@mail.btinternet.com>, Phillip Marsden wrote: > While there has been an aberration in the new XP style (I still use the > Classical look) Windows and Mac continue to give a more professional > appearance, and it is satisfying to see other people begin to voice > dissatisfaction about the appearance of the RISC OS GUI. Facilities which > have long been available in other GUI are long overdue, but have been > available from third-party suppliers as John Cartmell points out. At least > they could see what the diehards and Style Guiders could not see. >From what I've heard, comments like yours have been taken to heart by the Select developers. I do hope they don't produce something in the XP style - where I cannot make out what any of the icons are - but do* take back some of the good ideas from elsewhere. Trying to get back to relevance for this list - I'd also hope that RISC OS software developers will make good use of the optioms that will come available in the new version of the OS. *Of course there is a time delay between the developers taking those new steps and its release; I'm assuming that this should read "have taken" rather than "do take". -- John Cartmell john@ followed by finnybank.com 0845 006 8822 Qercus magazine FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 www.finnybank.com Qercus - the best guide to RISC OS computing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sun Jul 3 02:24:45 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DotDp-0005hl-Py-0005iB."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sun, 3 Jul 2005 02:24:45 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DotDp-0005hl-Py; Sun, 03 Jul 2005 01:24:37 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DotDp-0005hl-Py; Sun, 03 Jul 2005 01:24:37 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DotDo-0002uE-SI; Sun, 03 Jul 2005 01:24:36 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DotDf-0002rl-Lk; Sun, 03 Jul 2005 02:24:27 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j631NuE32600 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 3 Jul 2005 02:23:56 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j631NuS32596 for ; Sun, 3 Jul 2005 02:23:56 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1DotDA-000Iun-Cu for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 03 Jul 2005 01:23:56 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 02:22:30 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro for Windows - Thesaurus References: <7671bb824d.pbready@ntlworld.com> <4d83cba162dfs@ukgateway.net> <4d83dc9f7djohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d83fe9cf6dfs@ukgateway.net> <292902844d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <6.0.3.0.2.20050702094859.01e07fc8@mail.btinternet.com> <4d844198e2john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4d844198e2john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >I'd also hope that RISC OS software developers will make good use of the >optioms that will come available in the new version of the OS. Are you talking about me? The trouble is... so much fragmentation, are these new features going to appear in all versions of RISC OS? Currently many of my programs have icons for RISC OS 3, 4 and 5. Some even have them for RISC OS 2. So is this yet more messing about, yet more icons for RISC OS 4 and a half? Richard Hallas has described his pains regarding the design of the look of RISC OS 5. Roughly you can guarantee 50% won't like any new design and will insist on using the old one. If you're talking about new OS features, again the problem is will these appear on both Castle and ROL versions? - because otherwise one is left doing work for a tiny number of users. As a software developer I don't feel cherished by either Castle or ROL. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jul 6 16:42:08 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DowpN-00045J-So-00045k."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 16:42:08 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DowpN-00045J-So; Sun, 03 Jul 2005 05:15:38 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DowpN-00045J-So; Sun, 03 Jul 2005 05:15:37 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DowpN-0000Kx-Ok; Sun, 03 Jul 2005 05:15:37 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Dowoo-0004tw-5x; Sun, 03 Jul 2005 06:15:02 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j635Ejh19834 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 3 Jul 2005 06:14:45 +0100 Received: from mk-smarthost-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.40]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j635EiM19829 for ; Sun, 3 Jul 2005 06:14:44 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from dsl-80-41-176-56.access.as9105.com ([80.41.176.56]:10012 helo=dave.nom) by mk-smarthost-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DowoV-000Aut-VE for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 03 Jul 2005 06:14:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2005 05:59:01 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro for Windows - Thesaurus Message-ID: <4d8481644cdfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: References: <7671bb824d.pbready@ntlworld.com> <4d83cba162dfs@ukgateway.net> <4d83dc9f7djohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d83fe9cf6dfs@ukgateway.net> <292902844d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <6.0.3.0.2.20050702094859.01e07fc8@mail.btinternet.com> <4d844198e2john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , David Pilling wrote: > As a software developer I don't feel cherished by either Castle or ROL. > David Pilling Small consolation I know, but believe me, you are cherished by many of us out here in the big bad world. Cheers Dave S -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jul 6 16:42:16 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Doyzd-0004r7-E6-0004ra."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 16:42:16 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Doyzd-0004r7-E6; Sun, 03 Jul 2005 07:34:22 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Doyzd-0004r7-E6; Sun, 03 Jul 2005 07:34:21 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Doyzd-0002fR-6g; Sun, 03 Jul 2005 07:34:21 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Doyyi-00066o-Ch; Sun, 03 Jul 2005 08:33:24 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j637X8u19430 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 3 Jul 2005 08:33:08 +0100 Received: from mta08-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mta08-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.48]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j637X7A19424 for ; Sun, 3 Jul 2005 08:33:07 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from aamta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mta08-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20050703073307.ERJT889.mta08-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Sun, 3 Jul 2005 08:33:07 +0100 Received: from Iyonix.ntlworld.com ([82.9.213.224]) by aamta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20050703073307.SNTJ5558.aamta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@Iyonix.ntlworld.com> for ; Sun, 3 Jul 2005 08:33:07 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro for Windows - Thesaurus To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Alan Leighton X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.04 Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2005 08:33:46 +0100 Message-ID: <368f8f844d.alan@ntlworld.com> References: <7671bb824d.pbready@ntlworld.com> <4d83cba162dfs@ukgateway.net> <4d83dc9f7djohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d83fe9cf6dfs@ukgateway.net> <292902844d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <6.0.3.0.2.20050702094859.01e07fc8@mail.btinternet.com> <4d844198e2john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d8481644cdfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4d8481644cdfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.21 (MsgServe/3.05) (RISC-OS/5.09) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4d8481644cdfs@ukgateway.net> Dave Symes wrote: > In article , > David Pilling wrote: > >> As a software developer I don't feel cherished by either Castle or ROL. >> David Pilling > > Small consolation I know, but believe me, you are cherished by many of us > out here in the big bad world. > It is all very well producing RISC OS computers but without the software you develop we all would have a very sad platform. Where would I be without !Ovation, !Spark FS,! DPinScan and what about the Printer drivers and all the goodies such as !Calander. What others does such good cross platform work and produces favourite programs such as !Ovation on PCs as well. Wonderful. Who sems to have endless patience and good manners dealing with the likes of me! Oh yes, we cherish you. Cheers Alan -- Rev Dr Alan GC Leighton Priory Lodge, 86B Church Lane, Eston,TS6 9QR -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jul 6 16:42:19 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Dp18k-00065S-5B-00066A."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 16:42:19 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Dp18k-00065S-5B; Sun, 03 Jul 2005 09:51:55 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Dp18k-00065S-5B; Sun, 03 Jul 2005 09:51:54 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Dp18k-0005nF-DZ; Sun, 03 Jul 2005 09:51:54 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Dp18T-0000FE-Kj; Sun, 03 Jul 2005 10:51:37 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j639pQq26495 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 3 Jul 2005 10:51:26 +0100 Received: from cmailm2.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailm2.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.210]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j639pQc26491 for ; Sun, 3 Jul 2005 10:51:26 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from modem-2488.iguana.dialup.pol.co.uk ([81.76.249.184] helo=localhost.com.freeuk.com) by cmailm2.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1Dp18G-0003Ne-PO for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 03 Jul 2005 10:51:25 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro for Windows - Thesaurus To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Kevin Corney X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.04 Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2005 10:51:15 +0100 Message-ID: References: <7671bb824d.pbready@ntlworld.com> <4d83cba162dfs@ukgateway.net> <4d83dc9f7djohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d83fe9cf6dfs@ukgateway.net> <292902844d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <6.0.3.0.2.20050702094859.01e07fc8@mail.btinternet.com> <4d844198e2john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d8481644cdfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4d8481644cdfs@ukgateway.net> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.21 (MsgServe/3.05) (RISC-OS/5.09) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4d8481644cdfs@ukgateway.net> Dave Symes wrote: > In article , > David Pilling wrote: > >> As a software developer I don't feel cherished by either Castle or ROL. >> David Pilling > > Small consolation I know, but believe me, you are cherished by many of us > out here in the big bad world. Here here! Kevin -- Kevin Corney, Emley, West Yorkshire, HD8 9RG 01924 848882 Niemand hat die Absicht, eine Mauer zu errichten. - W. Ulbricht -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jul 6 16:42:21 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Dp1nc-0003sn-Q3-0003tQ."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 16:42:21 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Dp1nc-0003sn-Q3; Sun, 03 Jul 2005 10:34:08 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Dp1nc-0003sn-Q3; Sun, 03 Jul 2005 10:34:08 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Dp1nb-000028-SR; Sun, 03 Jul 2005 10:34:07 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Dp1n9-0008BZ-1L; Sun, 03 Jul 2005 11:33:39 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j63AXYP03681 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 3 Jul 2005 11:33:34 +0100 Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [212.187.204.18]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j63AXYC03673 for ; Sun, 3 Jul 2005 11:33:34 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from Iyonix.pnyoung.ormail.co.uk (dsl82-163-136-244.as15444.net [82.163.136.244]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j63AXWCc016951 for ; Sun, 3 Jul 2005 11:33:32 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro for Windows - Thesaurus To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Dr Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.04 Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2005 11:26:35 +0100 Message-ID: References: <7671bb824d.pbready@ntlworld.com> <4d83cba162dfs@ukgateway.net> <4d83dc9f7djohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d83fe9cf6dfs@ukgateway.net> <292902844d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <6.0.3.0.2.20050702094859.01e07fc8@mail.btinternet.com> <4d844198e2john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d8481644cdfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.21 (MsgServe/3.05) (RISC-OS/5.09) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-mx0-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-mx0-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.086, required 5, autolearn=disabled, AWL 0.04, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.05) X-MailScanner-From: Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 3 Jul 2005 Kevin Corney wrote: > In message <4d8481644cdfs@ukgateway.net> > Dave Symes wrote: > >> In article , >> David Pilling wrote: >> >>> As a software developer I don't feel cherished by either Castle or ROL. >>> David Pilling >> >> Small consolation I know, but believe me, you are cherished by many of us >> out here in the big bad world. > > Here here! Hear hear from here too. :-) With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 Anne \ / __ __ \ England. and / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk family / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \______________ pnyoung@ormail.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jul 6 16:42:24 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Dp2Ip-0004wb-RA-0004zM."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 16:42:24 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Dp2Ip-0004wb-RA; Sun, 03 Jul 2005 11:06:24 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Dp2Ip-0004wb-RA; Sun, 03 Jul 2005 11:06:23 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Dp2Ip-0006RK-7K; Sun, 03 Jul 2005 11:06:23 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Dp2Ie-00066K-RB; Sun, 03 Jul 2005 12:06:12 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j63B68I10061 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 3 Jul 2005 12:06:08 +0100 Received: from galaxy.systems.pipex.net (galaxy.systems.pipex.net [62.241.162.31]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j63B68g10054 for ; Sun, 3 Jul 2005 12:06:08 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from MARSDEN9.btinternet.com (81-86-166-106.dsl.pipex.com [81.86.166.106]) by galaxy.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAF05E00009F for ; Sun, 3 Jul 2005 12:06:07 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <6.0.3.0.2.20050703115609.01e15578@mail.btinternet.com> X-Sender: phillip.marsden@mail.btinternet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.3.0 Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2005 11:57:16 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Phillip Marsden Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro for Windows - Thesaurus In-Reply-To: <4d844198e2john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> References: <4d83cba162dfs@ukgateway.net> <4d83dc9f7djohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d83fe9cf6dfs@ukgateway.net> <292902844d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <6.0.3.0.2.20050702094859.01e07fc8@mail.btinternet.com> <4d844198e2john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-60E2525E Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) At 18:22 02/07/2005, John Cartmell wrote: >In article <6.0.3.0.2.20050702094859.01e07fc8@mail.btinternet.com>, > Phillip Marsden wrote: > > While there has been an aberration in the new XP style (I still use the > > Classical look) Windows and Mac continue to give a more professional > > appearance, and it is satisfying to see other people begin to voice > > dissatisfaction about the appearance of the RISC OS GUI. Facilities which > > have long been available in other GUI are long overdue, but have been > > available from third-party suppliers as John Cartmell points out. At least > > they could see what the diehards and Style Guiders could not see. > > From what I've heard, comments like yours have been taken to heart by the >Select developers. I do hope they don't produce something in the XP style - >where I cannot make out what any of the icons are - but do* take back some of >the good ideas from elsewhere. Trying to get back to relevance for this list - >I'd also hope that RISC OS software developers will make good use of the >optioms that will come available in the new version of the OS. > >*Of course there is a time delay between the developers taking those new steps >and its release; I'm assuming that this should read "have taken" rather than >"do take". This is probably not the correct forum for this type of discussion and I appreciate David Pilling's indulgence for allowing it. Why can you not make out what *any* of the XP icons are? Are your eyes bad? I have just switched my experimental XP machine to standard XP (instead of Classical) and looked at all the icons on the Start menu system. There are none of them that I cannot make out. There are some whose purpose is not clear from the icon, but there is a text label stating the name of the program. Many logos of many companies are not clear when it comes to explaining what the company does, so it is necessary to become accustomed to the logo. The same applies to application icons. It also applies to some RISC OS application icons, and no doubt Linux and Mac as well. Do I detect your usual attitude of opposition to Windows just for the sake of it? Does your phrase "but do* take back some of the good ideas from elsewhere." mean from OS other than Windows, thus reinforcing my belief stated in the last sentence of the previous paragraph? Might it mean that you believe that there are good ideas elsewhere in Windows? Could it be that there is a crack in the facade? :-p -- Regards, Phillip Marsden. phillip.marsden@btinternet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.8/35 - Release Date: 30/06/2005 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jul 6 16:42:28 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Dp2Oq-0003JN-Mk-0003Jq."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 16:42:28 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Dp2Oq-0003JN-Mk; Sun, 03 Jul 2005 11:12:36 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Dp2Oq-0003JN-Mk; Sun, 03 Jul 2005 11:12:36 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Dp2Op-0004FF-SQ; Sun, 03 Jul 2005 11:12:35 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Dp2Og-0001xY-T4; Sun, 03 Jul 2005 12:12:26 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j63BCNO19647 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 3 Jul 2005 12:12:23 +0100 Received: from smtp-out6.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out6.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.9]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j63BCND19642 for ; Sun, 3 Jul 2005 12:12:23 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from iyonixpc.workgroup ([82.32.7.157]) by smtp-out6.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Sun, 3 Jul 2005 12:13:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jack Evans To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2005 17:56:49 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro for Windows - Thesaurus Message-ID: <4d843f45e1jack@ljsevans.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <2BXv8lLkWcxCFw8c@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <7671bb824d.pbready@ntlworld.com> <7671bb824d.pbready@ntlworld.com> <0p6vmSJU50wCFwXZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4.2.0.58.20050701180418.00948780@pop.ntlworld.com> <4d83cba162dfs@ukgateway.net> <4d83d9bbfajohn@acornusers.org> <2BXv8lLkWcxCFw8c@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.09) Content-Type: text/plain X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jul 2005 11:13:05.0943 (UTC) FILETIME=[2FA09A70:01C57FC0] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,DATE_IN_PAST_12_24,IN_REP_TO, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <2BXv8lLkWcxCFw8c@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >I suspect that, if it were being written from scratch, experience would > >encourage a programmer today to think of a module-loading arrangement > >that could be called from other programs without requiring a full > >application and front-end to be run in such cases. > Yes, the thesaurus could be an applet. The thing is at the time Beebug > wanted a stand alone program to sell. > It is a legacy issue. Things are the way they are. Is there a 32-bit RO version of Thesaurus (googled unsuccessfully)? My OPro CD version won't run on the Iyonix but does on the SARPC. Regards Jack -- Jack Evans Bristol UK mailto:jack@ljsevans.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jul 6 16:42:40 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Dp52A-00010o-N6-00011f."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 16:42:40 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Dp52A-00010o-N6; Sun, 03 Jul 2005 14:01:23 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Dp52A-00010o-N6; Sun, 03 Jul 2005 14:01:22 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Dp529-0002n5-UT; Sun, 03 Jul 2005 14:01:22 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Dp51t-0004Fv-5t; Sun, 03 Jul 2005 15:01:05 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j63E0b715943 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 3 Jul 2005 15:00:37 +0100 Received: from mailhost.netweaver.net (mailhost.netweaver.net [213.160.118.140]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with SMTP id j63E0aK15914 for ; Sun, 3 Jul 2005 15:00:36 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: (qmail 25369 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2005 14:00:35 -0000 Received: from cpc3-hem12-4-1-cust184.lutn.cable.ntl.com (HELO Iyonix.sandford.ntlworld.com) (lists@thesandfords.me.uk@86.3.10.184) by 0 with SMTP; 3 Jul 2005 14:00:35 -0000 Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2005 15:00:23 +0100 From: To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro for Windows - Thesaurus Message-ID: References: <7671bb824d.pbready@ntlworld.com> <7671bb824d.pbready@ntlworld.com> <0p6vmSJU50wCFwXZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4.2.0.58.20050701180418.00948780@pop.ntlworld.com> <4d83cba162dfs@ukgateway.net> <4d83d9bbfajohn@acornusers.org> <2BXv8lLkWcxCFw8c@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4d843f45e1jack@ljsevans.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4d843f45e1jack@ljsevans.co.uk> X-Organization: None User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.21 (MsgServe/3.05) (RISC-OS/5.09) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4d843f45e1jack@ljsevans.co.uk> Jack Evans wrote: [snip] > Is there a 32-bit RO version of Thesaurus (googled unsuccessfully)? My > OPro CD version won't run on the Iyonix but does on the SARPC. > > Regards > > Jack http://pilling.users.netlink.co.uk/riscos.html -- John Sandford West Herts UK Hemel Hempstead RISC OS User Group email info@hhrug.org -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jul 6 16:42:41 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Dp5CN-0006gR-P4-0006gZ."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 16:42:41 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Dp5CN-0006gR-P4; Sun, 03 Jul 2005 14:11:56 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Dp5CN-0006gR-P4; Sun, 03 Jul 2005 14:11:55 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Dp5CN-0003HJ-JM; Sun, 03 Jul 2005 14:11:55 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Dp5CD-0006a3-GP; Sun, 03 Jul 2005 15:11:45 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j63EBdm18775 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 3 Jul 2005 15:11:39 +0100 Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [212.187.204.18]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j63EBdk18772 for ; Sun, 3 Jul 2005 15:11:39 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from Iyonix.pnyoung.ormail.co.uk (dsl82-163-136-244.as15444.net [82.163.136.244]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j63EBaMr004522 for ; Sun, 3 Jul 2005 15:11:36 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro for Windows - Thesaurus To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Dr Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.04 Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2005 15:11:16 +0100 Message-ID: References: <7671bb824d.pbready@ntlworld.com> <7671bb824d.pbready@ntlworld.com> <0p6vmSJU50wCFwXZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4.2.0.58.20050701180418.00948780@pop.ntlworld.com> <4d83cba162dfs@ukgateway.net> <4d83d9bbfajohn@acornusers.org> <2BXv8lLkWcxCFw8c@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4d843f45e1jack@ljsevans.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.21 (MsgServe/3.05) (RISC-OS/5.09) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-mx0-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-mx0-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.084, required 5, autolearn=disabled, AWL 0.03, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.05) X-MailScanner-From: Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 3 Jul 2005 sandfordjm@ntlworld.com wrote: > In message <4d843f45e1jack@ljsevans.co.uk> > Jack Evans wrote: > > > [snip] > > >> Is there a 32-bit RO version of Thesaurus (googled unsuccessfully)? My >> OPro CD version won't run on the Iyonix but does on the SARPC. I never knew that; I didn't think Thesaurus was a DP app. Cancel my previous post about Thesaurus running under Aemulor. With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 Anne \ / __ __ \ England. and / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk family / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \______________ pnyoung@ormail.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jul 6 16:42:44 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Dp9PL-0001s0-7F-0001sJ."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 16:42:44 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Dp9PL-0001s0-7F; Sun, 03 Jul 2005 18:41:35 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Dp9PL-0001s0-7F; Sun, 03 Jul 2005 18:41:35 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Dp9PL-0007Zm-20; Sun, 03 Jul 2005 18:41:35 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Dp9Om-0003RB-Tx; Sun, 03 Jul 2005 19:41:00 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j63IeiR19606 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 3 Jul 2005 19:40:44 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j63IeiE19600 for ; Sun, 3 Jul 2005 19:40:44 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([83.104.47.124]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Dp9OV-000OpR-ME for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 03 Jul 2005 18:40:44 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2005 19:43:53 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro for Windows - Thesaurus Message-ID: <4d84cce954john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <7671bb824d.pbready@ntlworld.com> <4d83cba162dfs@ukgateway.net> <4d83dc9f7djohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d83fe9cf6dfs@ukgateway.net> <292902844d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <6.0.3.0.2.20050702094859.01e07fc8@mail.btinternet.com> <4d844198e2john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03j (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , David Pilling wrote: > >I'd also hope that RISC OS software developers will make good use of the > >optioms that will come available in the new version of the OS. > Are you talking about me? Amongst other - but obviosly you on this list. > The trouble is... so much fragmentation, are these new features going to > appear in all versions of RISC OS? Currently many of my programs have > icons for RISC OS 3, 4 and 5. Some even have them for RISC OS 2. So is > this yet more messing about, yet more icons for RISC OS 4 and a half? [Snip] > If you're talking about new OS features, again the problem is will these > appear on both Castle and ROL versions? - because otherwise one is left > doing work for a tiny number of users. > As a software developer I don't feel cherished by either Castle or ROL. That's why I'm championing the possibility of a single merged OS. -- John Cartmell john@ followed by finnybank.com 0845 006 8822 Qercus magazine FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 www.finnybank.com Qercus - the best guide to RISC OS computing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jul 6 16:42:45 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Dp9Ts-0006k2-Di-0006kt."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 16:42:45 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Dp9Ts-0006k2-Di; Sun, 03 Jul 2005 18:46:17 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Dp9Ts-0006k2-Di; Sun, 03 Jul 2005 18:46:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Dp9Ts-00077N-2T; Sun, 03 Jul 2005 18:46:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Dp9TP-000799-VF; Sun, 03 Jul 2005 19:45:47 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j63IjjJ23141 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 3 Jul 2005 19:45:45 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j63Ijjt23138 for ; Sun, 3 Jul 2005 19:45:45 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([83.104.47.124]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Dp9TM-0000gl-Kq for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 03 Jul 2005 18:45:44 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2005 19:48:18 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro for Windows - Thesaurus Message-ID: <4d84cd508ejohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.2.20050703115609.01e15578@mail.btinternet.com> References: <4d83cba162dfs@ukgateway.net> <4d83dc9f7djohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d83fe9cf6dfs@ukgateway.net> <292902844d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <6.0.3.0.2.20050702094859.01e07fc8@mail.btinternet.com> <4d844198e2john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <6.0.3.0.2.20050703115609.01e15578@mail.btinternet.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03j (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <6.0.3.0.2.20050703115609.01e15578@mail.btinternet.com>, Phillip Marsden wrote: > Why can you not make out what *any* of the XP icons are? Are your eyes bad? On the XP equivalent of the Icon Bar I mean. Yes my eyes are bad, particularly after 12+ hours of work - but nothing like as bad as others. > Does your phrase "but do* take back some of the good ideas from elsewhere." > mean from OS other than Windows, thus reinforcing my belief stated in the > last sentence of the previous paragraph? Might it mean that you believe > that there are good ideas elsewhere in Windows? Could it be that there is a > crack in the facade? Windows has good bits. I've never denied that and it would be astounding if a developer didn't produce some good bits by copying stuff from all over the place and giving it all a random shake - it's how evolution works, after all. ;-) -- John Cartmell john@ followed by finnybank.com 0845 006 8822 Qercus magazine FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 www.finnybank.com Qercus - the best guide to RISC OS computing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jul 6 16:42:47 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DpATp-0005WA-4q-0005Wy."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 16:42:47 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DpATp-0005WA-4q; Sun, 03 Jul 2005 19:50:18 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DpATp-0005WA-4q; Sun, 03 Jul 2005 19:50:17 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DpATp-0003fx-8b; Sun, 03 Jul 2005 19:50:17 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DpATT-0005bQ-UE; Sun, 03 Jul 2005 20:49:55 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j63JnoG08623 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 3 Jul 2005 20:49:50 +0100 Received: from astro.systems.pipex.net (astro.systems.pipex.net [62.241.163.6]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j63Jnnt08620 for ; Sun, 3 Jul 2005 20:49:49 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from MARSDEN9.btinternet.com (81-86-166-106.dsl.pipex.com [81.86.166.106]) by astro.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50E38E0000CB for ; Sun, 3 Jul 2005 20:49:49 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <6.0.3.0.2.20050703204200.01da9bd0@mail.btinternet.com> X-Sender: phillip.marsden@mail.btinternet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.3.0 Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2005 20:49:33 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Phillip Marsden Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro for Windows - Thesaurus In-Reply-To: <4d84cd508ejohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> References: <4d83cba162dfs@ukgateway.net> <4d83dc9f7djohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d83fe9cf6dfs@ukgateway.net> <292902844d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <6.0.3.0.2.20050702094859.01e07fc8@mail.btinternet.com> <4d844198e2john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <6.0.3.0.2.20050703115609.01e15578@mail.btinternet.com> <4d84cd508ejohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-2B0C271E Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO, SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) At 19:48 03/07/2005, John Cartmell wrote: >In article <6.0.3.0.2.20050703115609.01e15578@mail.btinternet.com>, > Phillip Marsden wrote: > > Why can you not make out what *any* of the XP icons are? Are your eyes > bad? > >On the XP equivalent of the Icon Bar I mean. Yes my eyes are bad, particularly >after 12+ hours of work - but nothing like as bad as others. I forgot to mention in my previous reply that the size of icons on the screen (including the task bar) can be increased by going to Control Panel->Display->Settings->Advanced. Increase the dpi from 96 to 120. This will cause the icons and fonts to be larger, but less precise. This may help you. (Though how you know this when you allegedly never use Windows, I do not understand). :o) -- Regards, Phillip Marsden. phillip.marsden@btinternet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.8/35 - Release Date: 30/06/2005 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jul 6 16:42:48 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DpBLr-0003yF-CO-0003z7."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 16:42:48 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DpBLr-0003yF-CO; Sun, 03 Jul 2005 20:46:09 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DpBLr-0003yF-CO; Sun, 03 Jul 2005 20:46:07 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DpBLr-0004Nq-Le; Sun, 03 Jul 2005 20:46:07 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DpBLc-0002rD-So; Sun, 03 Jul 2005 21:45:52 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j63Kjma22350 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 3 Jul 2005 21:45:48 +0100 Received: from smtpq3.home.nl (smtpq3.home.nl [213.51.128.198]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j63KjmA22347 for ; Sun, 3 Jul 2005 21:45:48 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [213.51.128.134] (port=38421 helo=smtp3.home.nl) by smtpq3.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DpBLX-00060Y-Rc for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 03 Jul 2005 22:45:47 +0200 Received: from cp418204-a.dbsch1.nb.home.nl ([84.27.250.27]:55190 helo=padua) by smtp3.home.nl with smtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DpBLW-0004yK-4M for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 03 Jul 2005 22:45:46 +0200 Message-ID: <001301c58010$34cf2570$6502a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: References: <4d83cba162dfs@ukgateway.net> <4d83dc9f7djohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d83fe9cf6dfs@ukgateway.net> <292902844d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <6.0.3.0.2.20050702094859.01e07fc8@mail.btinternet.com> <4d844198e2john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <6.0.3.0.2.20050703115609.01e15578@mail.btinternet.com> <4d84cd508ejohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <6.0.3.0.2.20050703204200.01da9bd0@mail.btinternet.com> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro for Windows - Thesaurus Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 22:45:47 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-AtHome-MailScanner-Information: Neem contact op met support@home.nl voor meer informatie X-AtHome-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Sunday, July 03, 2005 9:49 PM , Phillip Marsden wrote: > I forgot to mention in my previous reply that the size of icons on the > screen (including the task bar) can be increased by going to Control > Panel->Display->Settings->Advanced. Increase the dpi from 96 to 120. > This will cause the icons and fonts to be larger, but less precise. > As far as icons are concerned, it depends on the way how they are designed or integrated how well they display at another dpi than 96 dpi. That is 100 percent zoom in windows and to this dpi are connected the so called 'small fonts' 120dpi is 125 percent zoom and to this dpi the so called dpi 'large fonts' are connected. Some features of 'small fonts' and 'large fonts' differ and you can see such effects in other Display properties - e.g. used fonts and ont sizes in title bar and so on. As far as fonts are concerned (large or small), they are scalable. BTW. With a *CRT* screen and depending on video card, you can configure a lot more to get a very good display with anti-aliased fonts already on small fonts sizes. As an example. I have configured my screen to 1280x960 to give it a ratio of 4:3 instead of the 5:4 ratio of 1280x1024. I have configured my dpi to 108dpi - that's half way between 96 and 120 dpi (or a zoom of 113% = 112.5% = 1 1/8). Fonts have still all features of small fonts (that is as 96dpi). What does this mean for many programs, or in particular for OPW? I can open a A4 portrait at full width at 120%, so I don't have to scroll horizontally. I get anti-aliased fonts from a size of 9.8 or 10 point on, so they look very crisp and clear. Same goes for Word and so on. For a TFT screen there are several other options to render fonts as best as possible- like configuring ClearType (XP only) or CoolType (Acrobat and/or Acrobat Reader and maybe other Adobe programs). When you know what you are doing and when you spend some time and energy in configuring, you can get pretty good display and rendering in a way that serves you best. Tonnie -- Mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jul 6 16:42:50 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DpBfH-0006ed-5u-0006fG."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 16:42:50 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DpBfH-0006ed-5u; Sun, 03 Jul 2005 21:06:13 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DpBfH-0006ed-5u; Sun, 03 Jul 2005 21:06:11 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DpBfH-00064X-LO; Sun, 03 Jul 2005 21:06:11 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DpBeq-0008GN-32; Sun, 03 Jul 2005 22:05:44 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j63L5eY26848 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 3 Jul 2005 22:05:40 +0100 Received: from astro.systems.pipex.net (astro.systems.pipex.net [62.241.163.6]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j63L5d826845 for ; Sun, 3 Jul 2005 22:05:39 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from MARSDEN9.btinternet.com (81-86-166-106.dsl.pipex.com [81.86.166.106]) by astro.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F3D1E0000FB for ; Sun, 3 Jul 2005 22:05:39 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <6.0.3.0.2.20050703220437.01dad4f0@mail.btinternet.com> X-Sender: phillip.marsden@mail.btinternet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.3.0 Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2005 22:05:31 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Phillip Marsden Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro for Windows - Thesaurus Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-65A06463 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) At 19:48 03/07/2005, John Cartmell wrote: >In article <6.0.3.0.2.20050703115609.01e15578@mail.btinternet.com>, > Phillip Marsden wrote: > > Why can you not make out what *any* of the XP icons are? Are your eyes > bad? > >On the XP equivalent of the Icon Bar I mean. Yes my eyes are bad, particularly >after 12+ hours of work - but nothing like as bad as others. > > > Does your phrase "but do* take back some of the good ideas from > elsewhere." > > mean from OS other than Windows, thus reinforcing my belief stated in the > > last sentence of the previous paragraph? Might it mean that you believe > > that there are good ideas elsewhere in Windows? Could it be that there > is a > > crack in the facade? > >Windows has good bits. I've never denied that and it would be astounding if a >developer didn't produce some good bits by copying stuff from all over the >place and giving it all a random shake - it's how evolution works, after all. >;-) You *may* never have denied it, but this is the first time that I have seen you acknowledge that Windows has good bits. Given this startling admission, I can see that there is hope for world peace and harmony after all. :o) Could I refer you to my article in the WROCC newsletter of July 2003, where I cover this subject in detail? I believe that you receive a copy every month. Other readers of this forum could receive this newsletter every month by joining WROCC. We attempt to make the newsletter as interesting as possible each month. New recruits and contributors would make it even more interesting. -- Regards, Phillip Marsden. phillip.marsden@btinternet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.8/35 - Release Date: 30/06/2005 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jul 6 16:42:51 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DpCgu-00051x-OK-00052Z."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 16:42:51 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DpCgu-00051x-OK; Sun, 03 Jul 2005 22:11:57 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DpCgu-00051x-OK; Sun, 03 Jul 2005 22:11:56 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DpCgu-00019b-Ao; Sun, 03 Jul 2005 22:11:56 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DpCgU-0006L8-Kj; Sun, 03 Jul 2005 23:11:30 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j63MBNg11139 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 3 Jul 2005 23:11:23 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j63MBNv11131 for ; Sun, 3 Jul 2005 23:11:23 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([83.104.47.124]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1DpCgN-000IHp-KM for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 03 Jul 2005 22:11:23 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2005 23:14:50 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro for Windows - Thesaurus Message-ID: <4d84e03972john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.2.20050703204200.01da9bd0@mail.btinternet.com> References: <4d83cba162dfs@ukgateway.net> <4d83dc9f7djohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d83fe9cf6dfs@ukgateway.net> <292902844d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <6.0.3.0.2.20050702094859.01e07fc8@mail.btinternet.com> <4d844198e2john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <6.0.3.0.2.20050703115609.01e15578@mail.btinternet.com> <4d84cd508ejohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <6.0.3.0.2.20050703204200.01da9bd0@mail.btinternet.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03j (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <6.0.3.0.2.20050703204200.01da9bd0@mail.btinternet.com>, Phillip Marsden wrote: > At 19:48 03/07/2005, John Cartmell wrote: > >In article <6.0.3.0.2.20050703115609.01e15578@mail.btinternet.com>, > > Phillip Marsden wrote: > > > Why can you not make out what *any* of the XP icons are? Are your eyes > > bad? > > > >On the XP equivalent of the Icon Bar I mean. Yes my eyes are bad, > >particularly after 12+ hours of work - but nothing like as bad as others. > I forgot to mention in my previous reply that the size of icons on the > screen (including the task bar) can be increased by going to Control > Panel->Display->Settings->Advanced. Increase the dpi from 96 to 120. This > will cause the icons and fonts to be larger, but less precise. This may > help you. (Though how you know this when you allegedly never use Windows, I > do not understand). :o) I have been forced to have access to Windows because I'm required to make comparisons and to evaluate Virtual Acorn applications. I reduced the damage as much as possible by purchasing my machine from a RISC OS dealer. I still don't like having it around! ;-( I don't make use of Windows otherwise and the only platform used for the production of Qercus between receiving copy and sending it off to the Printers is purely RISC OS. -- John Cartmell john@ followed by finnybank.com 0845 006 8822 Qercus magazine FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 www.finnybank.com Qercus - the best guide to RISC OS computing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jul 6 16:42:53 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DpDES-0003MB-HS-0003Mi."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 16:42:53 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DpDES-0003MB-HS; Sun, 03 Jul 2005 22:46:37 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DpDES-0003MB-HS; Sun, 03 Jul 2005 22:46:36 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DpDES-0005PE-71; Sun, 03 Jul 2005 22:46:36 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Dp2d7-00039f-ID; Sun, 03 Jul 2005 12:27:24 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j63BPYp27165 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 3 Jul 2005 12:25:34 +0100 Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [212.187.204.18]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j63BPYR27162 for ; Sun, 3 Jul 2005 12:25:34 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from Iyonix.pnyoung.ormail.co.uk (dsl82-163-136-244.as15444.net [82.163.136.244]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j63BPTN9020561 for ; Sun, 3 Jul 2005 12:25:29 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro for Windows - Thesaurus To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Dr Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.04 Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2005 12:14:03 +0100 Message-ID: <6cbaa3844d.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> References: <7671bb824d.pbready@ntlworld.com> <7671bb824d.pbready@ntlworld.com> <0p6vmSJU50wCFwXZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4.2.0.58.20050701180418.00948780@pop.ntlworld.com> <4d83cba162dfs@ukgateway.net> <4d83d9bbfajohn@acornusers.org> <2BXv8lLkWcxCFw8c@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4d843f45e1jack@ljsevans.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4d843f45e1jack@ljsevans.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.21 (MsgServe/3.05) (RISC-OS/5.09) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-mx0-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-mx0-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.086, required 5, autolearn=disabled, AWL 0.04, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.05) X-MailScanner-From: Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 2 Jul 2005 Jack Evans wrote: > In article <2BXv8lLkWcxCFw8c@pilling.demon.co.uk>, > David Pilling wrote: >> >I suspect that, if it were being written from scratch, experience would >> >encourage a programmer today to think of a module-loading arrangement >> >that could be called from other programs without requiring a full >> >application and front-end to be run in such cases. > >> Yes, the thesaurus could be an applet. The thing is at the time Beebug >> wanted a stand alone program to sell. > >> It is a legacy issue. Things are the way they are. > > Is there a 32-bit RO version of Thesaurus (googled unsuccessfully)? My > OPro CD version won't run on the Iyonix but does on the SARPC. Thesaurus runs OK here with Aemulor Pro. With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 Anne \ / __ __ \ England. and / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk family / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \______________ pnyoung@ormail.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jul 6 16:43:14 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DpSW1-0005zo-SV-00061D."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 16:43:14 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DpSW1-0005zo-SV; Mon, 04 Jul 2005 15:05:47 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DpSW1-0005zo-SV; Mon, 04 Jul 2005 15:05:45 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DpSW1-0003XT-Gp; Mon, 04 Jul 2005 15:05:45 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DpSVD-000186-HK; Mon, 04 Jul 2005 16:04:55 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j64F36Q09329 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 4 Jul 2005 16:03:06 +0100 Received: from smtp-out6.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out6.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.9]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j64F36L09321 for ; Mon, 4 Jul 2005 16:03:06 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from iyonixpc.workgroup ([82.32.7.157]) by smtp-out6.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Mon, 4 Jul 2005 16:03:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jack Evans To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 15:55:23 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro for Windows - Thesaurus Message-ID: <4d853bd3acjack@ljsevans.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <7671bb824d.pbready@ntlworld.com> <7671bb824d.pbready@ntlworld.com> <0p6vmSJU50wCFwXZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4.2.0.58.20050701180418.00948780@pop.ntlworld.com> <4d83cba162dfs@ukgateway.net> <4d83d9bbfajohn@acornusers.org> <2BXv8lLkWcxCFw8c@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4d843f45e1jack@ljsevans.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.09) Content-Type: text/plain X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jul 2005 15:03:49.0015 (UTC) FILETIME=[95278270:01C580A9] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , wrote: > In message <4d843f45e1jack@ljsevans.co.uk> > Jack Evans wrote: > [snip] > > Is there a 32-bit RO version of Thesaurus (googled unsuccessfully)? My > > OPro CD version won't run on the Iyonix but does on the SARPC. > > > > Regards > > > > Jack > http://pilling.users.netlink.co.uk/riscos.html Many thanks. Is it time to give up I wonder? I've got that page bookmarked and I'll swear I looked there before trying Google. Well, well, well! Regards Jack -- Jack Evans Bristol UK mailto:jack@ljsevans.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jul 6 16:43:16 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DpVSU-00002A-9m-00002r."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 16:43:16 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DpVSU-00002A-9m; Mon, 04 Jul 2005 18:14:18 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DpVSU-00002A-9m; Mon, 04 Jul 2005 18:14:18 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DpVST-0003wj-R1; Mon, 04 Jul 2005 18:14:17 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DpA12-0007dY-N5; Sun, 03 Jul 2005 20:20:35 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j63JFff29891 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 3 Jul 2005 20:15:41 +0100 Received: from blaster.systems.pipex.net (blaster.systems.pipex.net [62.241.163.7]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j63JFee29888 for ; Sun, 3 Jul 2005 20:15:40 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from MARSDEN9.btinternet.com (81-86-166-106.dsl.pipex.com [81.86.166.106]) by blaster.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78C6EE0000A9 for ; Sun, 3 Jul 2005 20:15:40 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <6.0.3.0.2.20050703195624.01dbd070@mail.btinternet.com> X-Sender: phillip.marsden@mail.btinternet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.3.0 Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2005 20:13:39 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Phillip Marsden Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro for Windows - Thesaurus In-Reply-To: <4d84cd508ejohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> References: <4d83cba162dfs@ukgateway.net> <4d83dc9f7djohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d83fe9cf6dfs@ukgateway.net> <292902844d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <6.0.3.0.2.20050702094859.01e07fc8@mail.btinternet.com> <4d844198e2john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <6.0.3.0.2.20050703115609.01e15578@mail.btinternet.com> <4d84cd508ejohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-1A4B374 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) At 19:48 03/07/2005, John Cartmell wrote: >In article <6.0.3.0.2.20050703115609.01e15578@mail.btinternet.com>, > Phillip Marsden wrote: > > Why can you not make out what *any* of the XP icons are? Are your eyes > bad? > >On the XP equivalent of the Icon Bar I mean. Yes my eyes are bad, particularly >after 12+ hours of work - but nothing like as bad as others. > > > Does your phrase "but do* take back some of the good ideas from > elsewhere." > > mean from OS other than Windows, thus reinforcing my belief stated in the > > last sentence of the previous paragraph? Might it mean that you believe > > that there are good ideas elsewhere in Windows? Could it be that there > is a > > crack in the facade? > >Windows has good bits. I've never denied that and it would be astounding if a >developer didn't produce some good bits by copying stuff from all over the >place and giving it all a random shake - it's how evolution works, after all. >;-) You *may* never have denied it, but this is the first time that I have seen you acknowledge that Windows has good bits. Given this startling admission, I can see that there is hope for world peace and harmony after all. :o) Could I refer you to my article in the WROCC newsletter of July 2003, where I cover this subject in detail? I believe that you receive a copy every month. Other readers of this forum could receive this newsletter every month by joining WROCC. We attempt to make the newsletter as interesting as possible each month. More members and contributors would make it even more interesting. -- Regards, Phillip Marsden. phillip.marsden@btinternet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.8/35 - Release Date: 30/06/2005 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jul 6 19:52:07 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DqF01-0002Ot-LT-0002Ph."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 19:52:07 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DqF01-0002Ot-LT; Wed, 06 Jul 2005 18:51:58 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DqF01-0002Ot-LT; Wed, 06 Jul 2005 18:51:57 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DqF01-0004sN-Eg; Wed, 06 Jul 2005 18:51:57 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DqEzR-0008TB-1h; Wed, 06 Jul 2005 19:51:21 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j66Iows26516 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 19:50:58 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j66IowS26513 for ; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 19:50:58 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1DqEus-000BEl-6I for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 06 Jul 2005 18:46:39 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 19:49:50 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro for Windows - Thesaurus References: <7671bb824d.pbready@ntlworld.com> <4d83cba162dfs@ukgateway.net> <4d83dc9f7djohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d83fe9cf6dfs@ukgateway.net> <292902844d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <6.0.3.0.2.20050702094859.01e07fc8@mail.btinternet.com> <4d844198e2john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d84cce954john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4d84cce954john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >That's why I'm championing the possibility of a single merged OS. From the desktop point of view what would be perfect is one version of RISC OS (call it RISC OS 6) which works on all machines (new and old) and has enough new features at a low enough price for most people to upgrade to it. However I doubt that the desktop market will determine what happens. Perhaps both parties will by now be developing their own versions of RISC OS to suit their own (non-desktop) clients. If you want an example. After the pain of developing the USB scanner drivers *twice* (once for Castle, once for the other lot) I decided I'd had enough. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jul 6 20:02:14 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DqF46-0003qa-Fa-0003qo."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 20:02:14 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DqF46-0003qa-Fa; Wed, 06 Jul 2005 18:56:11 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DqF46-0003qa-Fa; Wed, 06 Jul 2005 18:56:10 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DqF46-0004l6-I5; Wed, 06 Jul 2005 18:56:10 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DqF3i-0001sB-PI; Wed, 06 Jul 2005 19:55:46 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j66Itfu27808 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 19:55:41 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j66ItfJ27805 for ; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 19:55:41 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1DqF3d-000JwO-1G for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 06 Jul 2005 18:55:41 +0000 Message-ID: <$MA9PUExjCzCFwtW@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 19:54:41 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro for Windows - Thesaurus References: <7671bb824d.pbready@ntlworld.com> <7671bb824d.pbready@ntlworld.com> <0p6vmSJU50wCFwXZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4.2.0.58.20050701180418.00948780@pop.ntlworld.com> <4d83cba162dfs@ukgateway.net> <4d83d9bbfajohn@acornusers.org> <2BXv8lLkWcxCFw8c@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4d843f45e1jack@ljsevans.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >I never knew that; I didn't think Thesaurus was a DP app. >previous post about Thesaurus running under Aemulor. I think you've sorted this out by now, but just to be clear Desktop Thesaurus has always been supplied with Ovation Pro there is a 32 bit upgrade available from my web site. I think that the Thesaurus program was sold by Beebug to APDL. The 32 bit patch should work whoever you got the program from. A Windows version comes with the Windows of Ovation Pro. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jul 6 20:52:10 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DqFvJ-0002qo-3g-0002rr."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 20:52:10 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DqFvJ-0002qo-3g; Wed, 06 Jul 2005 19:51:10 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DqFvJ-0002qo-3g; Wed, 06 Jul 2005 19:51:09 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DqFvI-0000Dj-VZ; Wed, 06 Jul 2005 19:51:09 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DqFtT-0001uE-OQ; Wed, 06 Jul 2005 20:49:15 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j66JjiA12689 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 20:45:44 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j66Jjiv12686 for ; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 20:45:44 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([83.104.47.124]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1DqFls-000K0M-5x for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 06 Jul 2005 19:41:25 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 20:47:53 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro for Windows - Thesaurus Message-ID: <4d865e475fjohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <7671bb824d.pbready@ntlworld.com> <4d83cba162dfs@ukgateway.net> <4d83dc9f7djohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d83fe9cf6dfs@ukgateway.net> <292902844d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <6.0.3.0.2.20050702094859.01e07fc8@mail.btinternet.com> <4d844198e2john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d84cce954john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03j (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , David Pilling wrote: > >That's why I'm championing the possibility of a single merged OS. > From the desktop point of view what would be perfect is one version of > RISC OS (call it RISC OS 6) which works on all machines (new and old) > and has enough new features at a low enough price for most people to > upgrade to it. > However I doubt that the desktop market will determine what happens. > Perhaps both parties will by now be developing their own versions of > RISC OS to suit their own (non-desktop) clients. > If you want an example. After the pain of developing the USB scanner > drivers *twice* (once for Castle, once for the other lot) I decided I'd > had enough. ISTR making a point about that in AU when it was still possible to go ahead with a single USB protocol for RISC OS. I don't know about Castle but Ad6 seem to be sticking to ROL's RISC OS (or a subset of it) for all their RISC OS customers. -- John Cartmell john@ followed by finnybank.com 0845 006 8822 Qercus magazine FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 www.finnybank.com Qercus - the best guide to RISC OS computing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jul 6 22:02:14 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DqGvs-0003S9-RM-0003Sh."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 22:02:14 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DqGvs-0003S9-RM; Wed, 06 Jul 2005 20:55:49 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DqGvs-0003S9-RM; Wed, 06 Jul 2005 20:55:48 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DqGvs-0002bX-AB; Wed, 06 Jul 2005 20:55:48 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DqGvM-000080-Nn; Wed, 06 Jul 2005 21:55:16 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j66KtAu31720 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 21:55:10 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j66KtAv31716 for ; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 21:55:10 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1DqGvF-000LGP-Ch for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 06 Jul 2005 20:55:10 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 21:54:08 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro for Windows - Thesaurus References: <7671bb824d.pbready@ntlworld.com> <4d83cba162dfs@ukgateway.net> <4d83dc9f7djohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d83fe9cf6dfs@ukgateway.net> <292902844d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <6.0.3.0.2.20050702094859.01e07fc8@mail.btinternet.com> <4d844198e2john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d84cce954john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d865e475fjohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4d865e475fjohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >with a single USB protocol for RISC OS. I don't know about Castle but Ad6 seem >to be sticking to ROL's RISC OS (or a subset of it) for all their RISC OS >customers. I'd guess Simtec is the key - their USB protocol, and they I presume are the designers of the A9. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Jul 7 01:22:24 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DqK5u-0007BF-RP-0007Bx."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 01:22:24 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DqK5u-0007BF-RP; Thu, 07 Jul 2005 00:18:23 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DqK5u-0007BF-RP; Thu, 07 Jul 2005 00:18:22 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DqK5u-0002Rd-7N; Thu, 07 Jul 2005 00:18:22 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DqK5R-0004TU-PN; Thu, 07 Jul 2005 01:17:53 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j670HIA22544 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 01:17:18 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j670HIo22537 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 01:17:18 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([83.104.47.124]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1DqK0g-000LVR-5V for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 07 Jul 2005 00:12:58 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 01:21:58 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro for Windows - Thesaurus Message-ID: <4d86775f34john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <7671bb824d.pbready@ntlworld.com> <4d83cba162dfs@ukgateway.net> <4d83dc9f7djohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d83fe9cf6dfs@ukgateway.net> <292902844d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <6.0.3.0.2.20050702094859.01e07fc8@mail.btinternet.com> <4d844198e2john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d84cce954john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d865e475fjohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03j (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , David Pilling wrote: > >with a single USB protocol for RISC OS. I don't know about Castle but Ad6 > >seem to be sticking to ROL's RISC OS (or a subset of it) for all their > >RISC OS customers. > I'd guess Simtec is the key - their USB protocol, and they I presume are > the designers of the A9. The relationship isn't the same as it was with RiscStation. I think Ad6 would be a touch miffed about that description of their machine ... -- John Cartmell john@ followed by finnybank.com 0845 006 8822 Qercus magazine FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 www.finnybank.com Qercus - the best guide to RISC OS computing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Jul 7 02:32:27 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DqL5z-0002cU-8I-0002d2."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 02:32:27 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DqL5z-0002cU-8I; Thu, 07 Jul 2005 01:22:32 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DqL5z-0002cU-8I; Thu, 07 Jul 2005 01:22:31 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DqL5z-0006ev-DW; Thu, 07 Jul 2005 01:22:31 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DqL5Q-00016B-S6; Thu, 07 Jul 2005 02:21:56 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j671Lmx02944 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 02:21:48 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j671Lmk02940 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 02:21:48 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1DqL5H-0002kl-3D for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 07 Jul 2005 01:21:48 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 02:20:23 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro for Windows - Thesaurus References: <7671bb824d.pbready@ntlworld.com> <4d83cba162dfs@ukgateway.net> <4d83dc9f7djohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d83fe9cf6dfs@ukgateway.net> <292902844d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <6.0.3.0.2.20050702094859.01e07fc8@mail.btinternet.com> <4d844198e2john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d84cce954john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d865e475fjohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d86775f34john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4d86775f34john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >The relationship isn't the same as it was with RiscStation. I think Ad6 would >be a touch miffed about that description of their machine ... OK, due apologies. In the past Stuart Tyrrell has worked closely with Simtec. Today I read an article on www.drobe.co.uk which talks of the Simtec USB stack in the context of the A9. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Jul 7 16:08:27 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DqXvT-00054D-RX-00055S."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 16:08:27 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DqXvT-00054D-RX; Thu, 07 Jul 2005 15:04:33 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DqXvT-00054D-RX; Thu, 07 Jul 2005 15:04:31 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DqXvT-0001sF-9y; Thu, 07 Jul 2005 15:04:31 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DqXvC-0004hh-Rg; Thu, 07 Jul 2005 16:04:14 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j67F3j719132 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 16:03:45 +0100 Received: from outmail.freedom2surf.net (outmail1.freedom2surf.net [194.106.33.237]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j67F3iS19126 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 16:03:44 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from wallace (i-195-137-110-177.freedom2surf.net [195.137.110.177]) by outmail.freedom2surf.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j67F3ich027441 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 16:03:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Brian Carroll To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 12:50:38 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro for Windows - Thesaurus Message-ID: <4d86b66b81bric@f2s.com> In-Reply-To: References: <7671bb824d.pbready@ntlworld.com> <4d83cba162dfs@ukgateway.net> <4d83dc9f7djohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d83fe9cf6dfs@ukgateway.net> <292902844d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <6.0.3.0.2.20050702094859.01e07fc8@mail.btinternet.com> <4d844198e2john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d84cce954john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d865e475fjohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d86775f34john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) POPstar/2.06-ds.2 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,DATE_IN_PAST_03_06,IN_REP_TO, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , David Pilling wrote: > >The relationship isn't the same as it was with RiscStation. I > >think Ad6 would be a touch miffed about that description of > >their machine ... > OK, due apologies. In the past Stuart Tyrrell has worked > closely with Simtec. > Today I read an article on www.drobe.co.uk which talks of the > Simtec USB stack in the context of the A9. The photograph of the A9 PCB in the Drobe article, see http://www.drobe.co.uk/extra/a9home1.jpg , clearly shows the screen printed legend "Designed and manufactured in the UK by Simtec Electronics (c)2005". Brian. -- ______________________________________________________________ Brian Carroll, Ripon, North Yorkshire, UK bric at f2s dot com ______________________________________________________________ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Jul 9 13:56:29 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DrBTP-0007AE-IW-0007Aq."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 13:56:29 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DrBTP-0007AE-IW; Sat, 09 Jul 2005 09:18:12 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DrBTP-0007AE-IW; Sat, 09 Jul 2005 09:18:11 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DrBTP-0003J9-ID; Sat, 09 Jul 2005 09:18:11 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DrBT7-0002sC-TG; Sat, 09 Jul 2005 10:17:53 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j699HSQ10751 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 10:17:28 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j699HSk10747 for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 10:17:28 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from tenmagpies.demon.co.uk ([80.177.3.119] helo=iyonix.tenmagpies.demon.co.uk) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1DrBOb-000ARL-Gn for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 09 Jul 2005 09:13:13 +0000 Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 10:18:52 +0100 From: David W Mills To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] Jpeg into Opro? Message-ID: X-Organization: tenmagpies User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.21 (MsgServe/3.05) (RISC-OS/5.09) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Can't print directly from Netsurf so have down loaded image as a JPEG and tried to pop it into Ovation Pro 2.75. No luck.....what have I forgotten or missed? David -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jul 13 19:54:12 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DrtA1-0007Xv-En-0007YN."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 19:54:12 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DrtA1-0007Xv-En; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 07:57:06 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DrtA1-0007Xv-En; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 07:57:05 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DrtA1-0000Xn-CD; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 07:57:05 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Drt9g-0008Ft-Q7; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 08:56:44 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j6B7uUX23998 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 08:56:30 +0100 Received: from mra04.ex.eclipse.net.uk (mra04.ex.eclipse.net.uk [212.104.129.139]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j6B7uTp23960 for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 08:56:29 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mra04.ex.eclipse.net.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12C1C1338DB for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 08:56:28 +0100 (BST) Received: from mra04.ex.eclipse.net.uk ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mra04.ex.eclipse.net.uk [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 07606-01-81 for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 08:56:27 +0100 (BST) Received: from MartinRPC.heleigh.org.uk (unknown [82.152.145.38]) by mra04.ex.eclipse.net.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27B45133CDD for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 08:56:27 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Jpeg into Opro? To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Martin Devon X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.04 Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 08:56:19 +0100 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.21 (MsgServe/3.05) (RISC-OS/4.37) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by Eclipse VIRUSshield at eclipse.net.uk Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message David W Mills wrote: > > Can't print directly from Netsurf so have down loaded image as a JPEG and > tried to pop it into Ovation Pro 2.75. > > No luck.....what have I forgotten or missed? This applies to most (all?) RISC OS applications, not just OPro. JPG files from digital cameras and the like are often prefixed with a proprietary spiel which means they won't load. Run it through !CleanJPEG first, and 99% of times all will be well. Martin -- Martin R. Devon MSc RISC OS in the Timber Frame Housing Industry Box, Wilts, UK -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jul 13 19:54:13 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DrtD6-0001Kb-N7-0001LN."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 19:54:13 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DrtD6-0001Kb-N7; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 08:00:16 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DrtD6-0001Kb-N7; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 08:00:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DrtD5-0006rk-VK; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 08:00:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DrtCX-0006uv-IH; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 08:59:41 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j6B7xb626893 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 08:59:37 +0100 Received: from mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.47]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j6B7xbh26873 for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 08:59:37 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from aamta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20050711075939.TPFR481.mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 08:59:39 +0100 Received: from Iyonix.ntlworld.com ([82.9.213.224]) by aamta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20050711075941.KUMY3667.aamta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@Iyonix.ntlworld.com> for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 08:59:41 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Jpeg into Opro? To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Alan Leighton X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.04 Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 09:00:34 +0100 Message-ID: <93b3b0884d.alan@ntlworld.com> References: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.21 (MsgServe/3.05) (RISC-OS/5.09) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message Martin Devon wrote: > In message > David W Mills wrote: > >> >> Can't print directly from Netsurf so have down loaded image as a JPEG and >> tried to pop it into Ovation Pro 2.75. >> >> No luck.....what have I forgotten or missed? > > This applies to most (all?) RISC OS applications, not just OPro. > JPG files from digital cameras and the like are often prefixed with a > proprietary spiel which means they won't load. Run it through > !CleanJPEG first, and 99% of times all will be well. > Or drop it into DPingSpan and save it as a sprite. Neat. Alan -- Rev Dr Alan GC Leighton Priory Lodge, 86B Church Lane, Eston,TS6 9QR -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jul 13 19:54:15 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Dru1j-0000bV-Ip-0000cS."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 19:54:15 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Dru1j-0000bV-Ip; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 08:52:36 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Dru1j-0000bV-Ip; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 08:52:35 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Dru1j-0000nx-LP; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 08:52:35 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Dru14-0001Gy-4c; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 09:51:54 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j6B8oZN02027 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 09:50:35 +0100 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.171]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j6B8oYA01994 for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 09:50:34 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from b-180-25-241.ma.dial.de.ignite.net [62.180.25.241] (helo=bach) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKxQS-1Drtzl2b15-00055d; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 10:50:33 +0200 Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 10:50:47 +0200 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Jpeg into Opro? Message-ID: <934cb5884d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <93b3b0884d.alan@ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: <93b3b0884d.alan@ntlworld.com> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.12 (MsgServe/3.00) (RISC-OS/5.09) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <93b3b0884d.alan@ntlworld.com> Alan Leighton wrote: > In message > Martin Devon wrote: > > > In message > > David W Mills wrote: > > > > > Can't print directly from Netsurf so have down loaded image as a > > > JPEG and tried to pop it into Ovation Pro 2.75. > > > > > > No luck.....what have I forgotten or missed? > > > > This applies to most (all?) RISC OS applications, not just OPro. > > JPG files from digital cameras and the like are often prefixed with a > > proprietary spiel which means they won't load. Run it through > > !CleanJPEG first, and 99% of times all will be well. > > Or drop it into DPingSpan and save it as a sprite. Neat. ... which blows up its file size (and the size of documents into which you subsequently embed it) by an order of magnitude or two. Not so neat. The big advantage of native JPEG handling in RISC OS is that you can embed JPEG images in many RISC OS documents without having to decompress them. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jul 13 19:54:21 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DryAo-00025U-Kh-00026Z."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 19:54:21 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DryAo-00025U-Kh; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 13:18:15 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DryAo-00025U-Kh; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 13:18:14 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DryAo-0003jb-7I; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 13:18:14 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DryAW-0004Nb-BV; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 14:17:56 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j6BDH3400682 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 14:17:03 +0100 Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [212.187.204.18]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j6BDH2200673 for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 14:17:02 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from Iyonix.pnyoung.ormail.co.uk (dsl82-163-136-244.as15444.net [82.163.136.244]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6BDGwk2003643 for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 14:16:59 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Jpeg into Opro? To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Dr Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.04 Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 14:16:39 +0100 Message-ID: References: <93b3b0884d.alan@ntlworld.com> <934cb5884d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> In-Reply-To: <934cb5884d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.21 (MsgServe/3.05) (RISC-OS/5.09) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-mx0-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-mx0-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.063, required 5, autolearn=disabled, AWL 0.01, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.05) X-MailScanner-From: Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 11 Jul 2005 Martin Wuerthner wrote: > In message <93b3b0884d.alan@ntlworld.com> > Alan Leighton wrote: > >> In message >> Martin Devon wrote: >> >> > In message >> > David W Mills wrote: >> > >> > > Can't print directly from Netsurf so have down loaded image as a >> > > JPEG and tried to pop it into Ovation Pro 2.75. >> > > >> > > No luck.....what have I forgotten or missed? >> > >> > This applies to most (all?) RISC OS applications, not just OPro. >> > JPG files from digital cameras and the like are often prefixed with a >> > proprietary spiel which means they won't load. Run it through >> > !CleanJPEG first, and 99% of times all will be well. >> >> Or drop it into DPingSpan and save it as a sprite. Neat. > > ... which blows up its file size (and the size of documents into which you > subsequently embed it) by an order of magnitude or two. Not so neat. I think that's due to the d.p.i.setting, which, here at any rate, defaults to 90. Change this upwards (experimentation needed, but I usually go to 200 or 300) and it shrinks again. HTH, With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / zfc Tb \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 Anne \/ __ __ \ England. and / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk family / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \______________ pnyoung@ormail.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jul 13 19:54:24 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ds352-0005R0-94-0005RN."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 19:54:24 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ds352-0005R0-94; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 18:32:37 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ds352-0005R0-94; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 18:32:36 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ds352-0002CV-Kx; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 18:32:36 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Ds34e-0003WJ-Qz; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 19:32:12 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j6BEIGh05035 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 15:18:16 +0100 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.177]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j6BEIFu05022 for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 15:18:15 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from b-180-24-199.ma.dial.de.ignite.net [62.180.24.199] (helo=bach) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKwtQ-1Drz6s1Tsq-0001Nn; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 16:18:14 +0200 Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 16:18:22 +0200 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Jpeg into Opro? Message-ID: <574ad3884d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <93b3b0884d.alan@ntlworld.com> <934cb5884d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.12 (MsgServe/3.00) (RISC-OS/5.09) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message Dr Peter Young wrote: > On 11 Jul 2005 Martin Wuerthner wrote: > > > In message <93b3b0884d.alan@ntlworld.com> > > Alan Leighton wrote: > > > > > In message > >> Martin Devon wrote: > >> > > > > JPG files from digital cameras and the like are often prefixed > > > > with a proprietary spiel which means they won't load. Run it > > > > through !CleanJPEG first, and 99% of times all will be well. > > > > > > Or drop it into DPingSpan and save it as a sprite. Neat. > > > > ... which blows up its file size (and the size of documents into which > > you subsequently embed it) by an order of magnitude or two. Not so > > neat. > > I think that's due to the d.p.i.setting, which, here at any rate, > defaults to 90. Change this upwards (experimentation needed, but I > usually go to 200 or 300) and it shrinks again. Sorry, that does not make any sense at all. Increasing resolution only serves to make the sprite even bigger. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jul 13 19:54:27 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ds71D-0005tx-Qw-0005uB."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 19:54:27 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ds71D-0005tx-Qw; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 22:44:55 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ds71D-0005tx-Qw; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 22:44:55 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ds71D-0004Qy-6z; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 22:44:55 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Ds70f-0005DT-2g; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 23:44:21 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j6BIUMJ02219 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 19:30:22 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j6BIUL902214 for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 19:30:21 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from tenmagpies.demon.co.uk ([80.177.3.119] helo=iyonix.tenmagpies.demon.co.uk) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Ds2yg-000MXz-JK for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 18:26:04 +0000 Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 19:31:43 +0100 From: David W Mills To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Jpeg into Opro? Message-ID: <037cea884d.david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk> References: <93b3b0884d.alan@ntlworld.com> <934cb5884d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> In-Reply-To: <934cb5884d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> X-Organization: tenmagpies User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.21 (MsgServe/3.05) (RISC-OS/5.09) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Thanks to all for help Vn message <934cb5884d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> Martin Wuerthner wrote: > In message <93b3b0884d.alan@ntlworld.com> > Alan Leighton wrote: > > > In message > > Martin Devon wrote: > > > > > In message > > > David W Mills wrote: > > > > > > > Can't print directly from Netsurf so have down loaded image as a > > > > JPEG and tried to pop it into Ovation Pro 2.75. > > > > > > > > No luck.....what have I forgotten or missed? [snip various ideas] Interestingly, whilst experimenting last night, I clicked on the saved JPEG and it came up on screen via Change FSI...... so I clicked menu, went to Save Image and dragged to an OPro document...it dropped in as sweet as you like. However, I will look out the various ideas mantioned. Thank you all David -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jul 13 19:54:31 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DsDW5-0003P1-Dy-0003PJ."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 19:54:31 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DsDW5-0003P1-Dy; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 05:41:13 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DsDW5-0003P1-Dy; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 05:41:13 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DsDW5-0003Qu-5e; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 05:41:13 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DsDVd-0003gB-Ie; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 06:40:45 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j69D11h08549 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 14:01:01 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j69D10T08533 for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 14:01:00 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1DrEx1-000MHK-2k for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 09 Jul 2005 13:01:00 +0000 Message-ID: <1znPwRAto8zCFwuk@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 13:59:25 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Jpeg into Opro? References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Can't print directly from Netsurf so have down loaded image as a JPEG and >tried to pop it into Ovation Pro 2.75. >No luck.....what have I forgotten or missed? Well... Ovation Pro on RISC OS, relies on RISC OS to render JPEGs. So if you have no luck the probability is that the JPEG is of a type that RISC OS can't handle. Quick check, try dropping the JPEG into Draw. I believe there are some (free) tools around (JClean?) for RISC OS that will tweek some JPEGs so that RISC OS can handle them. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jul 13 19:54:31 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DsEcX-000233-Ep-00023b."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 19:54:31 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DsEcX-000233-Ep; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 06:51:58 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DsEcX-000233-Ep; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 06:51:57 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DsEcX-0002vb-DV; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 06:51:57 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DsEc9-0000MA-OE; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 07:51:33 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j6BCuGb08113 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 13:56:16 +0100 Received: from outmail.freedom2surf.net (outmail1.freedom2surf.net [194.106.33.237]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j6BCuFJ08097 for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 13:56:15 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from wallace (i-195-137-110-177.freedom2surf.net [195.137.110.177]) by outmail.freedom2surf.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j6BBuIch005711 for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 12:56:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Brian Carroll To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 10:05:58 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Jpeg into Opro? Message-ID: <4d88b6b014bric@f2s.com> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) POPstar/2.06-ds.2 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , Martin Devon wrote: [Snip] > This applies to most (all?) RISC OS applications, not just > OPro. JPG files from digital cameras and the like are often > prefixed with a proprietary spiel which means they won't load. They will load into the most recent SwiftJPEG v1.10 (22 Feb 2005). Note that the 'proprietary spiel' is a mass of useful information about the camera, its settings, date/time, etc, which is placed there for people who want to use it; the format is 'Exif' which appears as the 7th to 10th bytes of the original camera file instead of 'Jfif' in an ordinary JPG file. > Run it through !CleanJPEG first, and 99% of times all will be > well. But if it isn't you will have lost the original unless you work on a /copy/. Brian. -- ______________________________________________________________ Brian Carroll, Ripon, North Yorkshire, UK bric at f2s dot com ______________________________________________________________ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jul 13 19:54:37 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DsHLl-0000nu-CC-0000oS."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 19:54:37 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DsHLl-0000nu-CC; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 09:46:50 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DsHLl-0000nu-CC; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 09:46:49 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DsHLl-0000oz-Ho; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 09:46:49 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DsHLO-0007it-1t; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 10:46:26 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j6C5WWB25774 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 06:32:32 +0100 Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [212.187.204.18]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j6C5WW825767 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 06:32:32 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from Iyonix.pnyoung.ormail.co.uk (dsl82-163-136-244.as15444.net [82.163.136.244]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6C5WTPW004341 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 06:32:29 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Jpeg into Opro? To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Dr Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.04 Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 06:31:59 +0100 Message-ID: <11ef26894d.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> References: <93b3b0884d.alan@ntlworld.com> <934cb5884d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <574ad3884d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> In-Reply-To: <574ad3884d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.21 (MsgServe/3.05) (RISC-OS/5.09) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-mx0-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-mx0-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.065, required 5, autolearn=disabled, AWL 0.01, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.05) X-MailScanner-From: Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 11 Jul 2005 Martin Wuerthner wrote: > In message > Dr Peter Young wrote: [snip] >> > >> >> I think that's due to the d.p.i.setting, which, here at any rate, >> defaults to 90. Change this upwards (experimentation needed, but I >> usually go to 200 or 300) and it shrinks again. > > Sorry, that does not make any sense at all. Increasing resolution only > serves to make the sprite even bigger. Talking at cross purposes, and I can only state what I see happening here. Doing what I say decreases the /screen/ size of the image, but increases the /file/ size slightly. Have I misunderstood the problem? With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 Anne \ / __ __ \ England. and / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk family / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \______________ pnyoung@ormail.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jul 13 19:54:52 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DsRMc-0002m7-EN-0002mY."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 19:54:52 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DsRMc-0002m7-EN; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 20:28:23 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DsRMc-0002m7-EN; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 20:28:22 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DsRMc-0005Dx-8u; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 20:28:22 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DsRLw-00065J-ER; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 21:27:40 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j6CGBXL01519 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 17:11:33 +0100 Received: from ptb-relay01.plus.net (ptb-relay01.plus.net [212.159.14.212]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j6CGBXh01513 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 17:11:33 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [84.92.224.107] (helo=barryix) by ptb-relay01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1DsNM0-0004r8-7j for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 17:11:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Barry Allen (co)" To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 17:11:19 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Jpeg into Opro? Message-ID: <4d8961777bbarry@e-allen.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <11ef26894d.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> References: <93b3b0884d.alan@ntlworld.com> <934cb5884d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <574ad3884d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <11ef26894d.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.09) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <11ef26894d.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>, Dr Peter Young wrote: > On 11 Jul 2005 Martin Wuerthner wrote: > > In message > > Dr Peter Young wrote: > [snip] > >> > > >> > >> I think that's due to the d.p.i.setting, which, here at any rate, > >> defaults to 90. Change this upwards (experimentation needed, but I > >> usually go to 200 or 300) and it shrinks again. > > > > Sorry, that does not make any sense at all. Increasing resolution only > > serves to make the sprite even bigger. > Talking at cross purposes, and I can only state what I see happening > here. Doing what I say decreases the /screen/ size of the image, but > increases the /file/ size slightly. Have I misunderstood the problem? Increasing the resolution (in !DPingScan) decreases the size of the image but does not do anything to the filesize (I don't think). Changeing from a JPEG to a Sprite increases the file size. Increasing the resolution and fixing the image size increases the file size. -- Barry A. Rugby Union in Manchester:- http://www.broughton-park.org.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jul 13 21:53:59 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Dso7g-0005Vj-Kc-0005WR."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 21:53:59 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Dso7g-0005Vj-Kc; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 20:46:29 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Dso7g-0005Vj-Kc; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 20:46:28 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Dso7g-0003U3-6o; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 20:46:28 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Dso6A-0001qT-Am; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 21:44:54 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j6DGRSI08190 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 17:27:28 +0100 Received: from mail-ps.sunrise.ch (mta-ps-be-06.sunrise.ch [194.158.229.42]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j6DGRS508179 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 17:27:28 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from localhost.com.smile.ch (194.230.8.7) by mail-ps.sunrise.ch (7.0.043) id 42CBCD2C0005CDBE for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 18:27:27 +0200 Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 18:27:03 +0100 From: JMAH van Vredenburch To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Jpeg into Opro? Message-ID: <6e3cec894d.janvred@smile.ch> References: <93b3b0884d.alan@ntlworld.com> <934cb5884d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <574ad3884d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <11ef26894d.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <4d8961777bbarry@e-allen.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4d8961777bbarry@e-allen.co.uk> X-Organization: Secr. St. Van Vredenburch; CIC-member User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.09) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4d8961777bbarry@e-allen.co.uk> you wrote: > In article <11ef26894d.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>, Dr Peter Young > wrote: > > On 11 Jul 2005 Martin Wuerthner wrote: > > > > In message > > > Dr Peter Young wrote: > > > [snip] > > > >> > > > >> > > >> I think that's due to the d.p.i.setting, which, here at any rate, > > >> defaults to 90. Change this upwards (experimentation needed, but I > > >> usually go to 200 or 300) and it shrinks again. [snip some more] > Increasing the resolution (in !DPingScan) decreases the size of the image > but does not do anything to the filesize (I don't think). Changeing from > a JPEG to a Sprite increases the file size. > Testing with an original Olympus camera shot, including camera info: Picture 1 File size Original jpeg size at 90dpi 311K default 90dpi Sprite size 6M Picture 2 Size after loading/saving using DPSS 131K default 90dpi Same pic saved as sprite 6M Picture 3 Same as pic2 but at 270dpi 131K This pic at 270dpi saved as sprite 6M An Ovation Pro document was opened and a picture frame was set up, random size. Saved as doc1, doc2 and doc3 (to have 3 identical documents), then the 3 different pictures were added. This resulted in the following document sizes: (after having selected Menu>Misc>Min Memory): Document 1 with original pic1 at 90dpi 321K Document 2 with pic2 at 90dpi 141K Document 3 with pic3 at 270dpi 141K Changing the size of the picture frame makes no difference (of course). > > Increasing the resolution and fixing the image size increases the file > size. If the buffer is saved, this might occur. For correct comparisons you must switch the buffer off and minimize memory as stated above. It should be remarked that the dpi settings of a saved sprite (using DPSS) are not always maintained when loading back in DPSS. 40dpi changes to 45dpi while 275dpi, 300dpi and 400dpi change to 180dpi. Other settings not tested. The dpi settings of jpegs do not change in this way. JohnvV -- Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jul 13 22:03:59 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DsoKs-000415-Qg-00041k."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 22:03:59 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DsoKs-000415-Qg; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 21:00:07 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DsoKs-000415-Qg; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 21:00:06 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DsoKs-0001Fp-40; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 21:00:06 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DsoKP-0005bu-CR; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 21:59:37 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j6DGiHr22821 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 17:44:17 +0100 Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [212.187.204.18]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j6DGiGJ22818 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 17:44:16 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from Iyonix.pnyoung.ormail.co.uk (dsl82-163-136-244.as15444.net [82.163.136.244]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6DGiD1g017511 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 17:44:13 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] OPro abbreviations applet. To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Dr Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.04 Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 17:44:10 +0100 Message-ID: <764fe8894d.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.21 (MsgServe/3.05) (RISC-OS/5.09) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-mx0-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-mx0-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.064, required 5, autolearn=disabled, AWL 0.01, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.05) X-MailScanner-From: Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I use this a great deal to compensate for my lousy typing and spelling. However, as far as punctuation is concerned, it only expands abbreviations when it comes across a full stp or comma. I'd ideally like it to respond to semi-colon, question mark and exclamation mark as well. I don't understand the script language at all, but, furkling around in the applet directory, I find in the "Abbrev" file this: // check if key is 'space', 'new para', 'tab', 'new line', 'new page', 'full stop' or 'comma' if (key == ' ' || key == 13 || key == 394 || key == 2061 || key == 6669 || key == '.' || key == ',') Can I just add before the final bracket: ||key == ";" and so on, without sabotaging the whole thing? TIA, with apologies for my ignorance, With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 Anne \ / __ __ \ England. and / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk family / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \______________ pnyoung@ormail.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Jul 14 02:34:13 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DssT2-0004Oi-Io-0004PF."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 02:34:13 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DssT2-0004Oi-Io; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 01:24:49 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DssT2-0004Oi-Io; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 01:24:48 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DssT2-00073V-L7; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 01:24:48 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DssSh-0005Rn-LY; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 02:24:27 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j6DL9Xq04740 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 22:09:33 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j6DL9W104737 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 22:09:32 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1DsoU0-00063t-AV for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 21:09:32 +0000 Message-ID: <$3FNRxC$KY1CFweC@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 22:08:15 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Jpeg into Opro? References: <93b3b0884d.alan@ntlworld.com> <934cb5884d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <574ad3884d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <11ef26894d.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <4d8961777bbarry@e-allen.co.uk> <6e3cec894d.janvred@smile.ch> In-Reply-To: <6e3cec894d.janvred@smile.ch> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,NO_COST,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >> > >> I think that's due to the d.p.i.setting, which, here at any rate, >> > >> defaults to 90. Change this upwards (experimentation needed, but I >> > >> usually go to 200 or 300) and it shrinks again. Ideally you don't want to load a JPEG and then resave it as a JPEG - because each time you do that you're likely to lose quality (*). Loading a JPEG and saving to a lossless format - e.g. sprite doesn't lose quality but usually the sprite will be a lot bigger. As to changing resolution it depends what you mean. If the resolution is just a couple of numbers that come with an image - there's no cost in file size if you change those numbers. To do that you just enter new values in the info palette for the dpi values. However you could choose to mean changing resolution by changing the actual number of pixels in the image (Edit menu, resize), clearly that approach will change the file size. Some image file formats (JPEG, TIFF etc.) store the resolution values others do not. Sometimes when a file format does save resolution information a value of zero is used to signify "default resolution". * Tools like CleanJPEG just tweek the file data avoiding this problem. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Jul 14 14:28:44 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DstdC-0006PD-5H-0006Pa."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 14:28:44 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DstdC-0006PD-5H; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 02:39:23 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DstdC-0006PD-5H; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 02:39:22 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DstdC-0003Lx-EE; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 02:39:22 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Dstbz-0002Q4-9x; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 03:38:07 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j6DMN7i09081 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 23:23:07 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j6DMN7W09076 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 23:23:07 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1DspdD-000Eyf-JM for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 22:23:07 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 23:21:38 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OPro abbreviations applet. References: <764fe8894d.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <764fe8894d.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > // check if key is 'space', 'new para', 'tab', 'new line', 'new >page', 'full stop' or 'comma' > if (key == ' ' || key == 13 || key == 394 || key == 2061 || key == >6669 || key == '.' || key == ',') > >Can I just add before the final bracket: ||key == ";" and so on, >without sabotaging the whole thing? Yes, should be worth a go. It would be ';' i.e. single quotes and not double. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jul 15 13:52:53 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DtMks-0001eN-MC-0001fF."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 13:52:53 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DtMks-0001eN-MC; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 09:45:15 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DtMks-0001eN-MC; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 09:45:14 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DtMks-0005eS-M6; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 09:45:14 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1DtMkP-0000To-9k; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 10:44:45 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j6F5TQA07843 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 06:29:26 +0100 Received: from grunt2.ihug.co.nz (grunt2.ihug.co.nz [203.109.254.42]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j6F5TPe07825 for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 06:29:25 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from 203-118-155-173.ham.wave.co.nz (albion.cs.waikato.ac.nz) [203.118.155.173] by grunt2.ihug.co.nz with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1DtIlF-0005v5-00; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 17:29:22 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Keith Hopper To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 19:27:25 +1200 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro for Windows - Thesaurus Message-ID: <4d8512d080kh@waikato.ac.nz> In-Reply-To: <4d84cd508ejohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> References: <4d83cba162dfs@ukgateway.net> <4d83dc9f7djohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d83fe9cf6dfs@ukgateway.net> <292902844d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <6.0.3.0.2.20050702094859.01e07fc8@mail.btinternet.com> <4d844198e2john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <6.0.3.0.2.20050703115609.01e15578@mail.btinternet.com> <4d84cd508ejohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,DATE_IN_PAST_96_XX,IN_REP_TO, SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4d84cd508ejohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk>, John Cartmell wrote: [snip] > Windows has good bits. I've never denied that and it would be astounding if a > developer didn't produce some good bits by copying stuff from all over the > place and giving it all a random shake - it's how evolution works, after all. > ;-) I know I may be biassed, but I have yet to find anything which I personally think is good. It would be interesting to hear other opions. Keith -- City Desk Waikato University [PGP key available if desired] -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jul 15 13:52:54 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DtORI-0000o9-QS-0000oh."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 13:52:54 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DtORI-0000o9-QS; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 11:33:08 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DtORI-0000o9-QS; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 11:33:08 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DtORH-0005y0-NH; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 11:33:07 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1DtOM6-0005b2-Bc; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 12:27:46 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j6EDQhV08717 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 14:26:43 +0100 Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [212.187.204.18]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j6EDQgp08710 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 14:26:42 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from Iyonix.pnyoung.ormail.co.uk (dsl82-163-136-244.as15444.net [82.163.136.244]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6EDQdCm007089 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 14:26:39 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OPro abbreviations applet. To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Dr Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.04 Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 14:26:32 +0100 Message-ID: <730d5a8a4d.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> References: <764fe8894d.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.21 (MsgServe/3.05) (RISC-OS/5.09) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-mx0-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-mx0-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.064, required 5, autolearn=disabled, AWL 0.01, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.05) X-MailScanner-From: Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 13 Jul 2005 David Pilling wrote: >> // check if key is 'space', 'new para', 'tab', 'new line', 'new >>page', 'full stop' or 'comma' >> if (key == ' ' || key == 13 || key == 394 || key == 2061 || key == >>6669 || key == '.' || key == ',') >> >>Can I just add before the final bracket: ||key == ";" and so on, >>without sabotaging the whole thing? > > Yes, should be worth a go. Did it, and it works a treat; very many thanks. >It would be ';' i.e. single quotes and not double. See, I did tell you I was a lousy typist :-) With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 Anne \ / __ __ \ England. and / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk family / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \______________ pnyoung@ormail.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jul 15 13:52:55 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DtOUs-0007nR-F9-00001g."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 13:52:55 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DtOUs-0007nR-F9; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 11:36:51 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DtOUs-0007nR-F9; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 11:36:50 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DtOUs-0007Lu-1r; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 11:36:50 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1DtOKv-0004xy-On; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 12:26:33 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j6C8eLm19393 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 09:40:21 +0100 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.188]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j6C8eLc19389 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 09:40:21 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from cpc3-cmbg4-5-0-cust55.cmbg.cable.ntl.com [81.96.74.55] (helo=linux.at.home) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0ML29c-1DsGJP2ih5-0001eL; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 10:40:19 +0200 Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 09:40:16 +0100 From: John Pettigrew To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Jpeg into Opro? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <574ad3884d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <93b3b0884d.alan@ntlworld.com> <934cb5884d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <574ad3884d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> Mail-Followup-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-Organization: XL Cambridge User-Agent: Gemini/2.26 (Qt/3.3.1) (Linux-i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="260485312--1364202743--1920376229"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:e57c3e1a4e3b0a42ebfd9b8d18fc39cc Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) --260485312--1364202743--1920376229 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a previous message, Martin Wuerthner wrote: > > I think that's due to the d.p.i.setting, which, here at any rate, def= aults > > to 90. Change this upwards (experimentation needed, but I usually go = to > > 200 or 300) and it shrinks again. >=20 > Sorry, that does not make any sense at all. Increasing resolution only > serves to make the sprite even bigger. I think he's confused "file size" (the number of kB that it takes up im memory) with "image size" (the number of cm along each edge of the image)= . Upping the dpi will, of course, not affect the file size at all, just how= it is displayed. As has been said, the best solution is to take a copy of the image and to= use JClean or similar to strip out the Exif information, leaving a standard J= PEG without having needed to decode/recode it (which leads to information los= s). John --=20 John Pettigrew Headstrong Games=20 john@headstrong-games.co.uk Fun : Strategy : Price=20 http://www.headstrong-games.co.uk/ Board games that won't break the ban= k=20 Knossos: escape the ever-changing labyrinth before the Minotaur catches y= ou!=20 --260485312--1364202743--1920376229 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBC04Hzp6M/P/S/JWgRAu9nAKCVHMRMgcbvurNybShBNHG9rFJXbgCeOhrb vH+6qoiZ347VVtUS44QBf+Y= =pHk1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --260485312--1364202743--1920376229-- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From pnyoung@ormail.co.uk Fri Jul 15 15:12:12 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DtQsa-0002Cj-Eg-0002Cn."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 15:12:12 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DtQsa-0002Cj-Eg; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 14:09:28 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DtQsa-0002Cj-Eg for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 14:09:28 +0000 Received: from [212.187.204.18] (helo=zen.orpheusnet.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DtQsa-0003QK-C7 for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 14:09:28 +0000 Received: from Iyonix.pnyoung.ormail.co.uk (dsl82-163-136-244.as15444.net [82.163.136.244]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6FE9Pkd002166 for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 15:09:26 +0100 Subject: Abbreviations applet To: opro@pilling.demon.co.uk From: Dr Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.04 Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 15:09:21 +0100 Message-ID: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.21 (MsgServe/3.05) (RISC-OS/5.09) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-mx0-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-mx0-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.064, required 5, autolearn=disabled, AWL 0.01, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.05) X-MailScanner-From: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I posted this on the software list, where it hasn't yet appeared, here at any rate. I wouldn't want you to think I'm ungrateful, so here is your personal copy! On 13 Jul 2005 David Pilling wrote: >> // check if key is 'space', 'new para', 'tab', 'new line', 'new >>page', 'full stop' or 'comma' >> if (key == ' ' || key == 13 || key == 394 || key == 2061 || key == >>6669 || key == '.' || key == ',') >> >>Can I just add before the final bracket: ||key == ";" and so on, >>without sabotaging the whole thing? > > Yes, should be worth a go. Did it, and it works a treat; very many thanks. >It would be ';' i.e. single quotes and not double. See, I did tell you I was a lousy typist :-) With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 Anne \ / __ __ \ England. and / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk family / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \______________ pnyoung@ormail.co.uk. From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jul 15 22:02:32 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DtXJa-0007Eu-3E-0007FU."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 22:02:32 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DtXJa-0007Eu-3E; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 21:01:46 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DtXJa-0007Eu-3E; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 21:01:46 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DtXJZ-0001e3-Pu; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 21:01:45 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1DtXIS-0005Bs-G3; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 22:00:36 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j6FGlk703826 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 17:47:46 +0100 Received: from mailout.zetnet.co.uk (mailout.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.47.231]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j6FGlkl03820 for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 17:47:46 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from bts-0178.dialup.zetnet.co.uk ([194.247.48.178] helo=zetnet.co.uk) by mailout.zetnet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DtTLk-0002kc-RR for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 17:47:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Michael M Martin To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 17:45:21 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro for Windows - Thesaurus Message-ID: <4d8af016eemmartin@zetnet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4d8512d080kh@waikato.ac.nz> References: <4d83cba162dfs@ukgateway.net> <4d83dc9f7djohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d83fe9cf6dfs@ukgateway.net> <292902844d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <6.0.3.0.2.20050702094859.01e07fc8@mail.btinternet.com> <4d844198e2john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <6.0.3.0.2.20050703115609.01e15578@mail.btinternet.com> <4d84cd508ejohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d8512d080kh@waikato.ac.nz> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.04) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4d8512d080kh@waikato.ac.nz>, Keith Hopper wrote: > In article <4d84cd508ejohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk>, > John Cartmell wrote: > [snip] > > Windows has good bits. I've never denied that and it would be > > astounding if a developer didn't produce some good bits by copying > > stuff from all over the place and giving it all a random shake - > > it's how evolution works, after all. ;-) > I know I may be biassed, but I have yet to find anything which I > personally think is good. It would be interesting to hear other > opions. Keith do you know your date is out by 10 or so days you are showing a date of 04 Jul, 05. Best Regards, Mick -- |^^^^ Michael Martin ^^^^^ mmartin@zetnet.co.uk ^^^|Using Kinetic RiscPC| | * http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/mmartin/fifepits/ *| Email and News by | | ^^^ http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/mmartin/sign/ ^^^| !Pluto | |====== Risc OS immune to email Virus ======|===With RISC OS 4===| -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Jul 16 14:10:43 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DtkMv-0007PV-Sd-0007Q2."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 14:10:43 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DtkMv-0007PV-Sd; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 10:58:06 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DtkMv-0007PV-Sd; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 10:58:05 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DtkMv-0006GS-Me; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 10:58:05 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1DtkLc-00077Q-8H; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 11:56:44 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j6FG1HU10176 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 17:01:17 +0100 Received: from galaxy.systems.pipex.net (galaxy.systems.pipex.net [62.241.162.31]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j6FG14g09982 for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 17:01:05 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from MARSDEN9.btinternet.com (81-86-166-106.dsl.pipex.com [81.86.166.106]) by galaxy.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9282EE00021F for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 17:01:04 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <6.0.3.0.2.20050715163634.01dec458@mail.btinternet.com> X-Sender: phillip.marsden@mail.btinternet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.3.0 Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 17:00:37 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Phillip Marsden Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro for Windows - Thesaurus In-Reply-To: <4d8512d080kh@waikato.ac.nz> References: <4d83cba162dfs@ukgateway.net> <4d83dc9f7djohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d83fe9cf6dfs@ukgateway.net> <292902844d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <6.0.3.0.2.20050702094859.01e07fc8@mail.btinternet.com> <4d844198e2john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <6.0.3.0.2.20050703115609.01e15578@mail.btinternet.com> <4d84cd508ejohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d8512d080kh@waikato.ac.nz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-713B136A Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) At 08:27 04/07/2005, Keith Hopper wrote: >In article <4d84cd508ejohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk>, > John Cartmell wrote: > >[snip] > > > Windows has good bits. I've never denied that and it would be > astounding if a > > developer didn't produce some good bits by copying stuff from all over the > > place and giving it all a random shake - it's how evolution works, > after all. > > ;-) > > I know I may be biassed, but I have yet to find anything which I >personally think is good. It would be interesting to hear other opions. Everyone has their own idea of "good", with reference to OS. If RISC OS suits your way of working and Windows does not, then you will of course choose RISC OS and you may be described as being biassed towards RISC OS, but no-one would criticise you for your choice. When you say that you have not found *anything* good in Windows it is difficult to believe and has the appearance of unwillingness to be open-minded. There are many good things in Windows, some of which could be incorporated into RISC OS, indeed some of them have been incorporated into the Select program of improvements. That Windows in its entirety does not appeal to you does not mean that there is nothing good in Windows. If you like, you could say that Windows is like a football team of stars unwilling or unable to work with each other whereas RISC OS is made up of the second-grade players who can work with each other and thus create a better team. It would be foolish to say that there is nothing good in the team of stars as individually they are brilliant, but as a team... I don't necessarily agree with the last paragraph, I am just using it as an example. :o) -- Regards, Phillip Marsden. phillip.marsden@btinternet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.15/49 - Release Date: 14/07/2005 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jul 20 17:03:45 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DuTHV-0004fa-Nu-0004gO."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 17:03:45 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DuTHV-0004fa-Nu; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 10:55:30 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DuTHV-0004fa-Nu; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 10:55:29 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DuTHV-0005HS-7L; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 10:55:29 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1DuTGR-0007pe-8a; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 11:54:23 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j6I6dHI25334 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 07:39:17 +0100 Received: from grunt8.ihug.co.nz (grunt8.ihug.co.nz [203.109.254.48]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j6I6dHS25325 for ; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 07:39:17 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from 203-118-154-7.ham.wave.co.nz (albion.cs.waikato.ac.nz) [203.118.154.7] by grunt8.ihug.co.nz with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1DuPHV-000623-00; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 18:39:14 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Keith Hopper To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 11:23:57 +1200 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro for Windows - Thesaurus Message-ID: <4d8b986b14kh@waikato.ac.nz> In-Reply-To: <4d8af016eemmartin@zetnet.co.uk> References: <4d83cba162dfs@ukgateway.net> <4d83dc9f7djohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d83fe9cf6dfs@ukgateway.net> <292902844d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <6.0.3.0.2.20050702094859.01e07fc8@mail.btinternet.com> <4d844198e2john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <6.0.3.0.2.20050703115609.01e15578@mail.btinternet.com> <4d84cd508ejohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d8512d080kh@waikato.ac.nz> <4d8af016eemmartin@zetnet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,DATE_IN_PAST_24_48,IN_REP_TO, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4d8af016eemmartin@zetnet.co.uk>, Michael M Martin wrote: > In article <4d8512d080kh@waikato.ac.nz>, > Keith Hopper wrote: > > In article <4d84cd508ejohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk>, > > John Cartmell wrote: > > [snip] > > > Windows has good bits. I've never denied that and it would be > > > astounding if a developer didn't produce some good bits by copying > > > stuff from all over the place and giving it all a random shake - > > > it's how evolution works, after all. ;-) > > I know I may be biassed, but I have yet to find anything which I > > personally think is good. It would be interesting to hear other > > opions. > Keith do you know your date is out by 10 or so days you are showing a > date of 04 Jul, 05. No! There can be up to a couple of weeks delay between writing an e-mail and actually sending it - depending on whether or not I get a connection! A propos Phillip's comments, he might be amused to know that my principal reason (other than financial) for not subscribing to select is that some of the 'windows' features added are just those which I find most awkward to handle - I probably could, of course, defeat them with suitable configuration - but that is a great deal of my argument against the system - whenever I have been forced to using it I have spent more time trying to stop it doing things which I do not want than actually doing anything remotely productive - hence my despair about it. Mind you, there are still things about RISCOS that I have to defeat in order to work productively!! Just my pennorth! Keith -- City Desk Waikato University [PGP key available if desired] -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jul 20 17:03:59 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Duivw-0001ea-Ei-0001f5."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 17:03:59 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Duivw-0001ea-Ei; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 03:38:17 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Duivw-0001ea-Ei; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 03:38:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Duivw-0003TA-Cd; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 03:38:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1Duiuy-0006D4-0v; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 04:37:16 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j6INLv628408 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 00:21:57 +0100 Received: from relay.freeuk.net (relay.freeuk.net [212.126.144.54]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j6INLu828403 for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 00:21:56 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from du-002-0025.freeuk.com ([212.126.156.25] helo=helvellyn) by relay.freeuk.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Duevr-000CHH-8d for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 00:21:56 +0100 Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 00:00:29 +0100 From: Steve Fryatt To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro for Windows - Thesaurus Message-ID: <51f19d8c4d.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> References: <4d83cba162dfs@ukgateway.net> <4d83dc9f7djohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d83fe9cf6dfs@ukgateway.net> <292902844d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <6.0.3.0.2.20050702094859.01e07fc8@mail.btinternet.com> <4d844198e2john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <6.0.3.0.2.20050703115609.01e15578@mail.btinternet.com> <4d84cd508ejohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d8512d080kh@waikato.ac.nz> <4d8af016eemmartin@zetnet.co.uk> <4d8b986b14kh@waikato.ac.nz> In-Reply-To: <4d8b986b14kh@waikato.ac.nz> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.25 (MsgServe/3.09) (RISC-OS/5.09) POPstar/2.05 X-Editor: Zap 1.46 (19 Oct 2004) [TEST], ZapEmail 0.28 (22 May 2004) (32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 17 Jul, Keith Hopper wrote in message <4d8b986b14kh@waikato.ac.nz>: > A propos Phillip's comments, he might be amused to know that my > principal reason (other than financial) for not subscribing to select is > that some of the 'windows' features added are just those which I find > most awkward to handle - I probably could, of course, defeat them with > suitable configuration - but that is a great deal of my argument against > the system - whenever I have been forced to using it I have spent more > time trying to stop it doing things which I do not want than actually > doing anything remotely productive - hence my despair about it. Writable icons aside, I'm struggling to think of any features of Select that could be described as 'Windows-like'. -- Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jul 27 17:01:04 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DxQKR-0000D5-9r-0000Dh."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 17:01:04 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DxQKR-0000D5-9r; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 14:22:44 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DxQKR-0000D5-9r; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 14:22:43 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DxQKQ-0004gp-Sn; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 14:22:42 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1DxQKO-0001kt-Nx; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 15:22:40 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1DxQIX-0008Fu-Gb for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 15:20:45 +0100 Received: from [81.187.81.51] (helo=smtp.aaisp.net.uk) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DxQIX-0008Fh-2E for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 15:20:45 +0100 Received: from [81.2.82.47] (helo=Art) by smtp.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DxQIW-0005QI-NY for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 15:20:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Gavin Crawford To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 15:20:10 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Checking list is working Message-ID: <4d908cfe6dgav@crawford-print.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I'm posting this just to check that this mailing list is working. I posted a message here almost a week ago and as yet have not seen it arrive - or any other messages for that matter. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jul 27 17:09:58 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DxoTQ-0006zj-F5-000702."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 17:09:58 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DxoTQ-0006zj-F5; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 16:09:37 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DxoTQ-0006zj-F5; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 16:09:36 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DxoTQ-0005RR-Fe; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 16:09:36 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1DxoTO-00012k-91; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 17:09:34 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1DxoRI-0007fR-DY for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 17:07:24 +0100 Received: from [194.217.242.91] (helo=anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DxoRI-0007fI-1y for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 17:07:24 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1DxoRH-000B9h-AA for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 16:07:23 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 17:06:10 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Checking list is working References: <4d908cfe6dgav@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4d908cfe6dgav@crawford-print.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, >I'm posting this just to check that this mailing list is working. > >I posted a message here almost a week ago and as yet have not seen it >arrive - or any other messages for that matter. Yes, the mail list was down last week. It must have gone wrong about Sunday 17th. July. Neil Spellings was on the case on Saturday 23rd. Since your message has appeared I presume he has been successful. I'm sorry about this, I think it is probably the longest break in service since the list started in 1996. Actually an important posting of mine fell victim to the problems too. I'll repost that right now. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jul 27 17:09:59 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DxoTl-0002AP-RD-0002Ay."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 17:09:59 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DxoTl-0002AP-RD; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 16:09:58 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DxoTl-0002AP-RD; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 16:09:57 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DxoTl-0003AC-7B; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 16:09:57 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1DxoTj-0005gc-MH; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 17:09:55 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1DxoRw-0007oi-3Z for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 17:08:04 +0100 Received: from [194.217.242.91] (helo=anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DxoRv-0007oZ-TX for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 17:08:03 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1DxoRv-000BJF-Be for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 16:08:03 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 17:06:50 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro Windows 17th July etc. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, Starting with the etc. I notice a lot of error messages from Majordomo (which runs this mail list) in my mail box today. Potentially this may mean nothing posted in the last 2-3 days has appeared. Apologies if so, repost, and you probably won't see this anyway. Work on Ovation Pro for Windows has continued. Nothing to get excited about. However I have just uploaded the latest version of the CD. All sorts of stuff will have been updated. Mostly documentation - . To recap the Ovation Pro Windows CD is available on line from: www.davidpilling.info/cd The news is that I've ported Roger Noble's applets: Contents Together Headings Sequence Sections You will need the latest version of OPW to use some of these. They are not supplied by default, so you'll have to locate them and install. See: www.davidpilling.info/cd/applets.html I have also ported the TidyMove applet, this one does come with the main program. The latest version of OPW is available from: www.davidpilling.info/cd/main.html You can access a web page describing the changes from that page. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jul 27 17:40:00 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DxotM-0001TO-Fx-0001U7."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 17:40:00 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DxotM-0001TO-Fx; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 16:36:25 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DxotM-0001TO-Fx; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 16:36:24 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DxotM-00072C-PI; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 16:36:24 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1DxotL-0005wK-So; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 17:36:24 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Dxorz-0001Z8-KQ for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 17:34:59 +0100 Received: from [81.187.81.52] (helo=smtp.aaisp.net.uk) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Dxorz-0001Xo-9u for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 17:34:59 +0100 Received: from [81.2.82.47] (helo=Art) by smtp.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Dxorz-0002OZ-01 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 17:34:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Gavin Crawford To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 17:34:23 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Checking list is working Message-ID: <4d911d1e00gav@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4d908cfe6dgav@crawford-print.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > >I'm posting this just to check that this mailing list is working. > > > >I posted a message here almost a week ago and as yet have not seen it > >arrive - or any other messages for that matter. > Yes, the mail list was down last week. It must have gone wrong about > Sunday 17th. July. Neil Spellings was on the case on Saturday 23rd. > Since your message has appeared I presume he has been successful. Thanks David for that clarification. > I'm sorry about this, I think it is probably the longest break in > service since the list started in 1996. > Actually an important posting of mine fell victim to the problems too. > I'll repost that right now. I'll repost my message too - which was an announcement about a new applet I've written for the RISC OS OP. -- Gavin Crawford email: gav@crawford-print.co.uk web: www.crawford-print.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jul 27 17:40:00 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DxotO-0005hA-Sd-0005jL."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 17:40:00 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DxotO-0005hA-Sd; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 16:36:27 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DxotO-0005hA-Sd; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 16:36:26 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DxotO-000510-Mx; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 16:36:26 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1DxotL-0002U9-PE; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 17:36:23 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Dxorz-0001Yq-HS for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 17:34:59 +0100 Received: from [81.187.81.52] (helo=smtp.aaisp.net.uk) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Dxorz-0001X0-1L for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 17:34:59 +0100 Received: from [81.2.82.47] (helo=Art) by smtp.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Dxory-0002OZ-N4 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 17:34:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Gavin Crawford To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 17:28:57 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Announcing the CropMarks applet (OP for RISC OS) Message-ID: <4d911c9ea2gav@crawford-print.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) [Re-posted due to list problems] A new applet for the RISC OS version of Ovation Pro is now available from www.crawford-print.co.uk/resources.html#cropmarks (A version for OPW will follow some time in the future, as will Windows versions of my other applets.) The CropMarks applet allows crop marks to be drawn around the selected object(s). Size, position and thickness of the crop mark lines are adjustable, as is which crop marks are to be drawn around the object. It should be noted that this is a simple applet and doesn't do any smart calculations as to how best the crop marks should be applied to the objects selected. In other words, it won't check if the objects are close together as to draw crop marks over the top of other objects. Also, it will only draw crop marks in a horizontal and vertical plane, so won't produce the correct results for rotated objects. All feedback about the applet is welcomed (good or bad). I'm not sure how many of you will actually find this applet useful as I'm uncertain how many users there are out there using Ovation Pro in a professional capacity or using it to submit work to commercial printers that require such things as crop marks around separate objects on the page, but it's a feature I use regularly so decided it was worth doing as an applet. Maybe a light discussion on who uses Ovation Pro for what types of work would be interesting. And which version is used (RISC OS, Windows or both). -- Gavin Crawford email: gav@crawford-print.co.uk web: www.crawford-print.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Jul 28 03:20:34 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Dxxxt-0003wZ-SN-0003xp."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 03:20:34 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Dxxxt-0003wZ-SN; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 02:17:44 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Dxxxt-0003wZ-SN; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 02:17:41 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Dxxxt-000306-I9; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 02:17:41 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1Dxxxq-0001Mt-Cf; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 03:17:38 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1DxxwW-0004rN-4G for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 03:16:16 +0100 Received: from [194.217.242.85] (helo=anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DxxwV-0004rI-Uh for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 03:16:15 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Dxxs5-000D8Y-GU for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 02:11:41 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 03:15:02 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Announcing the CropMarks applet (OP for RISC OS) References: <4d911c9ea2gav@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4d911c9ea2gav@crawford-print.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >The CropMarks applet allows crop marks to be drawn around the selected >object(s). Size, position and thickness of the crop mark lines are >adjustable, as is which crop marks are to be drawn around the object. Seems to work well. Probably quite an achievement to make it work (given the limited facilities in the script language). Perhaps obvious, but I will tell the tale anyway. Impression lets you use Draw files for borders. Repro man, Tony Tolver came up with a design of Draw file that produces crop marks. Much criticism of OP along the lines of "I'd buy it if only it would do crop marks on objects". Anyway much later, OP supports Draw file borders. >I'm uncertain how many users there are out there using Ovation Pro in a >professional capacity or using it to submit work to commercial printers >as an applet. Maybe a light discussion on who uses Ovation Pro for what >types of work would be interesting. And which version is used (RISC OS, Hmm. all too interesting. Beebug sold about 2250 copies of OP. I've sold around 500. On the dark side there are just over 100 registered users. But who uses it for what, is another matter. It is hard to get a picture. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jul 27 21:50:12 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DxsiA-0004Ak-I6-0004Av."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 21:50:12 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DxsiA-0004Ak-I6; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 20:41:06 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DxsiA-0004Ak-I6; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 20:41:06 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DxsiA-0003hN-EI; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 20:41:06 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1Dxsi5-0004z5-D0; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 21:41:01 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1DxsgN-0000Ji-Oe for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 21:39:15 +0100 Received: from [81.187.81.51] (helo=smtp.aaisp.net.uk) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DxsgN-0000JD-9v for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 21:39:15 +0100 Received: from [81.2.115.178] (helo=ghc) by smtp.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DxsgM-0002U2-Tn for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 21:39:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Gavin Crawford To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 21:39:30 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] OP (RO) script file error Message-ID: <4d91338f15gav@crawford-print.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I've discovered a strange problem that I get when I run an OP language script file that causes and error, and I was wondering if anyone else can reproduce the same results. BTW this is with Ovation Pro 2.75 running on RISC OS 4.02 Whenever I have a script file that generates an error the last applet on the applets menu (i.e. in the applets directory) crashes and its code no longer resident. Also, the applets menu gains an extra entry at the end of the menu with the same name as the last applet - but neither of the two entries does anything when clicked. The problem arises with a script file (containing an error) that is run from the filer (double clicked) after OP is already running. It can be the simplest of scripts such as the following: int test; //this line is OK int mistake // error - missing semi-colon [for those wishing to test this - save the above two lines and filetype as a OvPScrpt (&b24), then double it] For a while now, whenever I've been playing with any scripts, whenever I had a mistake in them it has taken out my Wysiwyg applet, as it is the last one in the applets directory. But I now find it does it with any applet that is last on the last. BTW I have the DDEutils module loaded and the error messages are displayed in a Throwback window handled by StrongED if that makes any difference. I'd be interested to know if anyone else can reproduce this or if it's just something on my setup that is causing it. -- Gavin Crawford email: gav@crawford-print.co.uk web: www.crawford-print.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Jul 28 03:50:30 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DxyRo-0006lW-Ee-0006ll."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 03:50:30 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DxyRo-0006lW-Ee; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 02:48:37 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DxyRo-0006lW-Ee; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 02:48:36 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DxyRo-0004vj-9s; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 02:48:36 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1DxyRm-0004BL-VF; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 03:48:34 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1DxyPs-00082Y-RU for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 03:46:36 +0100 Received: from [194.217.242.89] (helo=anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DxyPs-00082T-KQ for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 03:46:36 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1DxyLH-0009ej-4o for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 02:41:51 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 03:45:04 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP (RO) script file error References: <4d91338f15gav@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4d91338f15gav@crawford-print.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >I've discovered a strange problem that I get when I run an OP language >script file that causes and error, and I was wondering if anyone else can >reproduce the same results. Yes. I can reproduce it. I've not looked into the code but I imagine it will be a simple bug. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Jul 28 14:56:11 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Dy5fh-0000Jv-Hm-0000Kx."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 14:56:11 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Dy5fh-0000Jv-Hm; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 10:31:27 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Dy5fh-0000Jv-Hm; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 10:31:25 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Dy5fh-0002Ax-BT; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 10:31:25 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1Dy5ff-0002Fb-GZ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 11:31:23 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Dy5X8-0004Kg-80 for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 11:22:34 +0100 Received: from [194.217.242.92] (helo=anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Dy5X7-0004KX-TR for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 11:22:33 +0100 Received: from tenmagpies.demon.co.uk ([80.177.3.119] helo=iyonix.tenmagpies.demon.co.uk) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Dy5X7-0000Kv-Ee for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 10:22:33 +0000 Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 11:23:49 +0100 From: David W Mills To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Announcing the CropMarks applet (OP for RISC OS) Message-ID: <04077f914d.david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk> References: <4d911c9ea2gav@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: tenmagpies User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.21 (MsgServe/3.05) (RISC-OS/5.09) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message David Pilling wrote: [snip about Crop Marks] > > Beebug sold about 2250 copies of OP. I've sold around 500. On the dark > side there are just over 100 registered users. > > But who uses it for what, is another matter. It is hard to get a > picture. I use it for work sheets and the like for school 'tho we now use the plague machines. Years ago I had a copy resident on one of the A5000 we had at school and could transport back and forth. Question: Are files transferable across platforms? If so another posible sale for you David. I also use Opro for letters and Documents. David Mills [snip] -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Jul 28 14:56:18 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Dy71C-0006nw-Kg-0006oa."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 14:56:18 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Dy71C-0006nw-Kg; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 11:57:43 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Dy71C-0006nw-Kg; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 11:57:42 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Dy71C-0007Ot-5g; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 11:57:42 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1Dy715-0007sJ-C7; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 12:57:35 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Dy6zk-0006aI-SR for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 12:56:12 +0100 Received: from [81.187.81.51] (helo=smtp.aaisp.net.uk) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Dy6zk-0006Za-Fk for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 12:56:12 +0100 Received: from [81.2.82.47] (helo=Art) by smtp.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Dy6zk-0005Ij-09 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 12:56:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Gavin Crawford To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 11:40:28 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Announcing the CropMarks applet (OP for RISC OS) Message-ID: <4d91808cf4gav@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4d911c9ea2gav@crawford-print.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , David Pilling wrote: > >The CropMarks applet allows crop marks to be drawn around the selected > >object(s). Size, position and thickness of the crop mark lines are > >adjustable, as is which crop marks are to be drawn around the object. > Seems to work well. Thanks. > Probably quite an achievement to make it work (given the limited > facilities in the script language). Yes, I found a few things quite limiting and haven't yet been able to think of a way to get around them. The main thing that I thought would be very useful would be a script function that allowed the last 'n'th object created to be the selected object. Then after creating an object using the ddl() function it could be selected and other things done to it or applied to it. I suppose this is related to the discussions we've had in the past about scripts having access to the internal object handles and being able to select them etc. > Perhaps obvious, but I will tell the tale anyway. Impression lets you > use Draw files for borders. Repro man, Tony Tolver came up with a design > of Draw file that produces crop marks. Much criticism of OP along the > lines of "I'd buy it if only it would do crop marks on objects". Anyway > much later, OP supports Draw file borders. Yes, I've used them many times and found them very useful, but controlling which crops are displayed was always the problem - if you have a set of 3up business cards, for example, the middle card doesn't want crops that will print over the other cards. I did wonder if a more automated crop marks applet would be worth doing, where it would calculate where to put the marks on a bunch of selected objects so that the marks were in the correct positions and didn't stomp over objects they shouldn't. -- Gavin Crawford email: gav@crawford-print.co.uk web: www.crawford-print.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Jul 28 15:05:56 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Dy8yl-0006oj-Sh-0006pK."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 15:05:56 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Dy8yl-0006oj-Sh; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 14:03:20 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Dy8yl-0006oj-Sh; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 14:03:19 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Dy8yl-0006ce-NA; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 14:03:19 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1Dy8yP-0002Mi-TA; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 15:02:57 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Dy8wr-0004v1-4c for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 15:01:21 +0100 Received: from [194.217.242.88] (helo=anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Dy8wp-0004uh-OT for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 15:01:20 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Dy8wp-0003cq-0w for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 14:01:19 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 15:00:17 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Announcing the CropMarks applet (OP for RISC OS) References: <4d911c9ea2gav@crawford-print.co.uk> <04077f914d.david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <04077f914d.david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Question: Are files transferable across platforms? Yes. (see: http://pilling.users.netlink.co.uk/ovationpro.html) You can download, install and use the Windows version of OP without registering it. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Jul 28 15:35:57 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Dy9MY-0003Wh-PZ-0003XE."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 15:35:57 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Dy9MY-0003Wh-PZ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 14:27:55 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Dy9MY-0003Wh-PZ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 14:27:54 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Dy9MY-0003Ol-L2; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 14:27:54 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1Dy9MX-0003PC-EO; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 15:27:53 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Dy9L6-0000eD-DZ for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 15:26:24 +0100 Received: from [194.217.242.92] (helo=anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Dy9L6-0000e7-44 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 15:26:24 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Dy9L4-000Icd-Dc for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 14:26:22 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 15:24:57 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] RSS News feed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, I've (attempted to) set up an RSS feed. See http://www.davidpilling.net/news.html I hope to use this to indicate changes to the web site, updates to software etc. I do have a news mail list. However that only seems to get used once a year. Partly this is due to the horrors of having to use MS Outlook to do the mass mailing. Partly it is because people find it intrusive. Last time I had a couple of replies along the lines of "I don't use Acorn computers anymore! Why are you bothering me?!". As if I'm sat in Florida with a server farm sending out 100 million emails a day. I hope to have more frequent RSS updates and not irritate people. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Jul 28 17:46:42 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DyBWU-0004sn-5o-0004t9."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 17:46:42 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DyBWU-0004sn-5o; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 16:46:19 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DyBWU-0004sn-5o; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 16:46:18 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DyBWU-0002CF-HE; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 16:46:18 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1DyBWQ-0002sJ-Rt; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 17:46:14 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1DyBUX-00074B-ID for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 17:44:17 +0100 Received: from [212.187.204.18] (helo=zen.orpheusnet.co.uk) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DyBUX-000745-5c for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 17:44:17 +0100 Received: from Iyonix.pnyoung.ormail.co.uk (dsl82-163-136-244.as15444.net [82.163.136.244]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6SGiCts017319 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 17:44:12 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] RSS News feed To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Dr Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.04 Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 17:44:07 +0100 Message-ID: <14d8a1914d.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.21 (MsgServe/3.05) (RISC-OS/5.09) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-mx0-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-mx0-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.09, required 5, autolearn=disabled, AWL 0.04, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.05) X-MailScanner-From: Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 28 Jul 2005 David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > > I've (attempted to) set up an RSS feed. See > > http://www.davidpilling.net/news.html > > I hope to use this to indicate changes to the web site, updates to > software etc. Many thanks for this; a very good idea. Already fetching here with both NetFetch and Ticker, so the above (attempted to) is otiose. :-) With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 Anne \ / __ __ \ England. and / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk family / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \______________ pnyoung@ormail.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Jul 28 21:36:55 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DyF6k-0003vi-4A-0003vx."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 21:36:55 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DyF6k-0003vi-4A; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 20:35:58 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DyF6k-0003vi-4A; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 20:35:58 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DyF6k-0005hq-3w; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 20:35:58 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1DyF6j-0003Xk-2S; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 21:35:57 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1DyF5O-0000GV-LS for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 21:34:34 +0100 Received: from [212.74.114.47] (helo=mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DyF5O-0000GP-DX for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 21:34:34 +0100 Received: from dsl-80-41-191-36.access.as9105.com ([80.41.191.36]:10013 helo=dave.nom) by mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DyF5O-000HuA-24 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 20:34:34 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 19:40:10 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Announcing the CropMarks applet (OP for RISC OS) Message-ID: <4d91ac77f9dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <04077f914d.david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk> References: <4d911c9ea2gav@crawford-print.co.uk> <04077f914d.david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > In message > David Pilling wrote: > > > > Beebug sold about 2250 copies of OP. I've sold around 500. On the dark > > side there are just over 100 registered users. > > > > But who uses it for what, is another matter. It is hard to get a > > picture. I have two registered and paid for copies of OvPro. I run a small business, and use the RISC OS version of OvPro to do much of my business paperwork... Estimate/quotations, letters, invoices, and address envelopes etc, printed to a HPLaserJet. Additionally I use it variously for personal things, like making up personalised birthday/christmas cards, writing and so on. The MS-Win version of OvPro is used mostly when I want to print documents out of the colour printer attached to the PC. This of course means I can construct the document on the RISC OS side, then transfer it over the network to the PC version of OvPro for a final polish and printing. Cheers Dave S -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Jul 28 21:36:55 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DyF6q-0000Kt-SY-0000LE."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 21:36:55 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DyF6q-0000Kt-SY; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 20:36:05 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DyF6q-0000Kt-SY; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 20:36:04 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DyF6q-0005jg-Mf; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 20:36:04 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1DyF6o-0003uc-F7; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 21:36:02 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1DyF5O-0000Gc-UX for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 21:34:34 +0100 Received: from [212.74.114.47] (helo=mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DyF5O-0000GX-R1 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 21:34:34 +0100 Received: from dsl-80-41-191-36.access.as9105.com ([80.41.191.36]:10013 helo=dave.nom) by mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DyF5O-000HuA-E5 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 20:34:34 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 19:57:00 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RSS News feed Message-ID: <4d91ae028bdfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > I've (attempted to) set up an RSS feed. See > http://www.davidpilling.net/news.html > I hope to use this to indicate changes to the web site, updates to > software etc. > I do have a news mail list. However that only seems to get used once a > year. Partly this is due to the horrors of having to use MS Outlook to > do the mass mailing. Partly it is because people find it intrusive. Last > time I had a couple of replies along the lines of "I don't use Acorn > computers anymore! Why are you bothering me?!". As if I'm sat in Florida > with a server farm sending out 100 million emails a day. > I hope to have more frequent RSS updates and not irritate people. Yes well! As they say, I had one and the wheel came off. How does one use this, whatever it is? Dave S I use both Ticker and Netfetch/Hermes. -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Jul 28 22:16:55 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DyFgI-0001ec-Kr-0001eo."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 22:16:55 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DyFgI-0001ec-Kr; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 21:12:42 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DyFgI-0001ec-Kr; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 21:12:42 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DyFgI-0002zD-9F; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 21:12:42 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1DyFgH-0003tY-DY; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 22:12:41 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1DyFcl-0000EJ-1f for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 22:09:03 +0100 Received: from [194.217.242.90] (helo=anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DyFck-0000ED-Pu for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 22:09:02 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1DyFck-0001GI-83 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 21:09:02 +0000 Message-ID: <2IS$usMckU6CFwkk@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 22:07:40 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: RSS News feed References: <4d91ae028bdfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4d91ae028bdfs@ukgateway.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >> I've (attempted to) set up an RSS feed. See >> http://www.davidpilling.net/news.html >> I hope to use this to indicate changes to the web site, updates to >How does one use this, whatever it is? Well if you go to the above page there is a link to a document that explains what RSS is. As I understand it I put a file on my web site which is updated when there is some news. You have a program which looks at that file every so often and presents you with a display of what is new. RSS is the standard for doing this. It is getting quite common, for example the BBC web site uses it. I'm not familiar with RISC OS RSS software. In general though the idea is to get the link from the orange XML button (on the above page) into it. In the Windows program I have, one navigates to the page, right click on the button, and select "subscribe". -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Jul 28 23:37:00 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DyGrL-0005r7-SV-0005rO."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 23:37:00 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DyGrL-0005r7-SV; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 22:28:12 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DyGrL-0005r7-SV; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 22:28:11 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DyGrL-00038s-Lo; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 22:28:11 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1DyGrJ-0000Q2-VR; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 23:28:10 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1DyGpS-0003Js-26 for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 23:26:14 +0100 Received: from [212.159.14.212] (helo=ptb-relay01.plus.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DyGpR-0003JZ-Nj for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 23:26:13 +0100 Received: from [84.92.224.107] (helo=barryix) by ptb-relay01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1DyGpM-0003wR-Et for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 23:26:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Barry Allen (co)" To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 23:26:03 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RSS News feed Message-ID: <4d91c1262dbarry@e-allen.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <2IS$usMckU6CFwkk@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <4d91ae028bdfs@ukgateway.net> <2IS$usMckU6CFwkk@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.09) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <2IS$usMckU6CFwkk@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >> I've (attempted to) set up an RSS feed. See > >> http://www.davidpilling.net/news.html I hope to use this to indicate > >> changes to the web site, updates to > >How does one use this, whatever it is? > Well if you go to the above page there is a link to a document that > explains what RSS is. > As I understand it I put a file on my web site which is updated when > there is some news. You have a program which looks at that file every > so often and presents you with a display of what is new. > RSS is the standard for doing this. It is getting quite common, for > example the BBC web site uses it. > I'm not familiar with RISC OS RSS software. In general though the idea > is to get the link from the orange XML button (on the above page) into > it. !Ticker from http://www.youmustbejoking.demon.co.uk/progs.apps.html is the RISC OS version, unfortunately www.davidpilling.info/rss.xml seems to crash it. :o(( -- Barry A. Rugby Union in Manchester:- http://www.broughton-park.org.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Jul 28 23:46:58 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DyH5o-0004S1-7e-0004SS."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 23:46:58 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DyH5o-0004S1-7e; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 22:43:08 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DyH5o-0004S1-7e; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 22:43:08 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DyH5o-0001so-67; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 22:43:08 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1DyH5m-00015G-8i; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 23:43:06 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1DyH4S-0001UL-8w for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 23:41:44 +0100 Received: from [212.159.14.132] (helo=pih-relay05.plus.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DyH4R-0001U1-UJ for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 23:41:43 +0100 Received: from [84.92.224.107] (helo=barryix) by pih-relay05.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1DyH4Q-0008JP-NA for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 23:41:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Barry Allen (co)" To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 23:41:51 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RSS News feed Message-ID: <4d91c298afbarry@e-allen.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4d91c1262dbarry@e-allen.co.uk> References: <4d91ae028bdfs@ukgateway.net> <2IS$usMckU6CFwkk@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4d91c1262dbarry@e-allen.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.09) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4d91c1262dbarry@e-allen.co.uk>, Barry Allen (co) wrote: > !Ticker from http://www.youmustbejoking.demon.co.uk/progs.apps.html is > the RISC OS version, unfortunately www.davidpilling.info/rss.xml seems > to crash it. :o(( Ooops! Error on my part. I put in 'www.pilling.info/rss.xml' instead of 'www.davidpilling.info/rss.xml' -- Barry A. Rugby Union in Manchester:- http://www.broughton-park.org.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jul 29 01:37:02 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DyIik-0006FE-Rt-0006FV."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 01:37:02 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DyIik-0006FE-Rt; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 00:27:27 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DyIik-0006FE-Rt; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 00:27:26 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DyIik-0001v4-FW; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 00:27:26 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1DyIii-0000Pd-SP; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 01:27:24 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1DyIhO-0000io-0N for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 01:26:02 +0100 Received: from [194.217.242.85] (helo=anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DyIhN-0000ii-Ns for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 01:26:01 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1DyIcw-000GC1-GD for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 00:21:26 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 01:24:35 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: RSS News feed References: <4d91ae028bdfs@ukgateway.net> <2IS$usMckU6CFwkk@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4d91c1262dbarry@e-allen.co.uk> <4d91c298afbarry@e-allen.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4d91c298afbarry@e-allen.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Error on my part. >I put in 'www.pilling.info/rss.xml' instead of >'www.davidpilling.info/rss.xml' Good. I sometimes do that. I used a (free) piece of software called "listgarden" to produce my rss feed, it is written by Dan Bricklin, the legendary creator of Visicalc which was just about the first piece of serious personal computer software. I'd been wondering how to break to him the news he'd got it wrong. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jul 29 02:07:04 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DyJIf-0006go-QR-0006hr."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 02:07:04 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DyJIf-0006go-QR; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 01:04:33 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DyJIf-0006go-QR; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 01:04:33 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DyJIf-00022n-0e; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 01:04:33 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1DyJId-0002Xr-Db; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 02:04:31 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1DyJHI-0003gW-36 for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 02:03:08 +0100 Received: from [194.217.242.85] (helo=anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DyJHH-0003gQ-Qy for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 02:03:07 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1DyJCq-000KaM-GJ for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 00:58:32 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 02:01:54 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: RSS News feed References: <4d91ae028bdfs@ukgateway.net> <2IS$usMckU6CFwkk@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4d91c1262dbarry@e-allen.co.uk> <4d91c298afbarry@e-allen.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Having now tried my rss feed with ticker, worked fine, I could have helped by telling you that the address you want to enter is: http://www.davidpilling.info/rss.xml I should add that information to the web pages. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jul 29 13:53:42 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DyNJm-0005kT-IG-0005km."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 13:53:42 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DyNJm-0005kT-IG; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 05:21:59 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DyNJm-0005kT-IG; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 05:21:58 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DyNJm-0003kw-Gv; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 05:21:58 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1DyNJl-0004OU-1F; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 06:21:57 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1DyNI9-0004Y4-Kh for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 06:20:17 +0100 Received: from [212.74.114.47] (helo=mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DyNI9-0004Xz-Ch for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 06:20:17 +0100 Received: from dsl-80-41-189-75.access.as9105.com ([80.41.189.75]:10142 helo=dave.nom) by mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DyNI9-000Agm-6S for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 05:20:17 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 06:07:39 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RSS News feed Message-ID: <4d91e5ea84dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <2IS$usMckU6CFwkk@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <4d91ae028bdfs@ukgateway.net> <2IS$usMckU6CFwkk@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-Editor: Zap 1.46 (19 Oct 2004) [TEST], ZapEmail 0.28 (22 May 2004) (32) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <2IS$usMckU6CFwkk@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > Well if you go to the above page there is a link to a document that > explains what RSS is. Thanks for the reply, I do have a vague understanding of what it is, my problem is... What exactly do you have to do to use it. I have had a look at the Ticker help file, but whatever I'm supposed to do to add stuff to it, I'm obviously not. Cheers Dave S -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jul 29 13:53:43 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DyNYM-0005f2-4L-0005fE."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 13:53:43 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DyNYM-0005f2-4L; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 05:37:02 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DyNYM-0005f2-4L; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 05:37:02 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DyNYM-0006ce-5w; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 05:37:02 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1DyNYK-0007aD-S1; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 06:37:00 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1DyNX0-0003SH-Uo for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 06:35:38 +0100 Received: from [212.159.14.131] (helo=pih-relay04.plus.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DyNWz-0003S6-Ti for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 06:35:38 +0100 Received: from [84.92.151.71] (helo=Iyonix.bapfish.plus.com) by pih-relay04.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1DyNWy-00044q-W0 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 06:35:37 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: RSS News feed To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Bernard Veasey X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.04 Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 06:37:06 +0100 Message-ID: <119de8914d.Bernard@bapfish.plus.com> References: <2IS$usMckU6CFwkk@pilling.demon.co.uk<4d91c1262dbarry@e-allen.co.uk> <4d91c298afbarry@e-allen.co.uk In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.21 (MsgServe/3.05) (RISC-OS/5.09) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) David Pilling's RSS News feed http://www.davidpilling.info/rss.xml also works with RComp's NetFetch and presumably the recent new version of DialUp. -- Email - bernard@bapfish.org.uk Web - http://www.bapfish.org.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jul 29 13:53:44 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DyO99-0002Kf-K9-0002Kv."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 13:53:44 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DyO99-0002Kf-K9; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 06:15:03 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DyO99-0002Kf-K9; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 06:15:03 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DyO99-0000UZ-3S; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 06:15:03 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1DyO97-0007GZ-CP; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 07:15:01 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1DyO7n-00028a-4o for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 07:13:39 +0100 Received: from [81.187.81.52] (helo=smtp.aaisp.net.uk) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DyO7n-00028T-0T for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 07:13:39 +0100 Received: from [81.187.226.10] (helo=RISCPC20) by smtp.aaisp.net.uk with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DyO7m-0007g7-Mv for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 07:13:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Phil To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 07:14:15 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: RSS News feed Message-ID: <4d91ec03cdphilco@heter.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <119de8914d.Bernard@bapfish.plus.com> References: <2IS$usMckU6CFwkk@pilling.demon.co.uk<4d91c1262dbarry@e-allen.co.uk> <4d91c298afbarry@e-allen.co.uk <119de8914d.Bernard@bapfish.plus.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <119de8914d.Bernard@bapfish.plus.com>, Bernard Veasey wrote: > David Pilling's RSS News feed > http://www.davidpilling.info/rss.xml > also works with RComp's NetFetch and presumably the recent new version > of DialUp. I use Netfetch and like Dave Symes I am asking what do you need to do to use it. Is it simply a News Fetch, or is is a case RTFM (or instruction on the site). Thanks Phil (I use OvationPro on RiscOs for all sorts) -- .. This email has been sent from a RiscPC which does not run Windows, but it will more than likely read your files. philco@heter.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jul 29 13:53:45 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DyOdo-00021U-LU-00021t."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 13:53:45 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DyOdo-00021U-LU; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 06:46:45 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DyOdo-00021U-LU; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 06:46:44 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DyOdo-0002IN-DM; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 06:46:44 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1DyOdn-0005oE-3C; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 07:46:43 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1DyOcT-000541-Cc for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 07:45:21 +0100 Received: from [212.187.204.18] (helo=zen.orpheusnet.co.uk) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DyOcT-00053c-6F for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 07:45:21 +0100 Received: from Iyonix.pnyoung.ormail.co.uk (dsl82-163-136-244.as15444.net [82.163.136.244]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6T6jFuf028967 for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 07:45:15 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: RSS News feed To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Dr Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.04 Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 07:43:40 +0100 Message-ID: <22b5ee914d.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> References: <2IS$usMckU6CFwkk@pilling.demon.co.uk<4d91c1262dbarry@e-allen.co.uk> <4d91c298afbarry@e-allen.co.uk <119de8914d.Bernard@bapfish.plus.com> <4d91ec03cdphilco@heter.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4d91ec03cdphilco@heter.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.21 (MsgServe/3.05) (RISC-OS/5.09) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-mx0-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-mx0-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.33, required 5, autolearn=disabled, AWL -0.20, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.05, INFO_TLD 0.48) X-MailScanner-From: Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 29 Jul 2005 Phil wrote: > In article <119de8914d.Bernard@bapfish.plus.com>, > Bernard Veasey wrote: >> David Pilling's RSS News feed >> http://www.davidpilling.info/rss.xml >> also works with RComp's NetFetch and presumably the recent new version >> of DialUp. > > I use Netfetch and like Dave Symes I am asking what do you need to do to > use it. Is it simply a News Fetch, or is is a case RTFM (or instruction > on the site). NetFetch Choices > Emailboxes > RSS Feeds > Add new > Put the URL supplied by David in the URL box and your local user name in the Local user mailbox and click "Create". Then either use Fetch > RSS feeds from the icon bar menu, or RSS feeds fetch automatically when you fetch news. All assuming you've got NetFetch 2.13 (13th July, 2005) :-) I think it's in TFM, or I wouldn't have been able to do it. HTH, With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 Anne \ / __ __ \ England. and / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk family / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \______________ pnyoung@ormail.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jul 29 13:53:46 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DyOrx-0007OD-Bn-0007Oh."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 13:53:46 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DyOrx-0007OD-Bn; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 07:01:22 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DyOrx-0007OD-Bn; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 07:01:21 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DyOrx-0006Kh-Ev; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 07:01:21 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1DyOrv-0001R3-Iy; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 08:01:19 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1DyOqV-0006pv-GO for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 07:59:51 +0100 Received: from [212.159.14.212] (helo=ptb-relay01.plus.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DyOqV-0006pn-C7 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 07:59:51 +0100 Received: from [84.92.151.71] (helo=Iyonix.bapfish.plus.com) by ptb-relay01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1DyOqU-0001xp-FS for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 07:59:50 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: RSS News feed To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Bernard Veasey X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.04 Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 08:01:16 +0100 Message-ID: References: <2IS$usMckU6CFwkk@pilling.demon.co.uk<4d91c1262dbarry@e-allen.co.uk> <4d91c298afbarry@e-allen.co.uk <119de8914d.Bernard@bapfish.plus.com> <4d91ec03cdphilco@heter.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4d91ec03cdphilco@heter.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.21 (MsgServe/3.05) (RISC-OS/5.09) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Phil wrote: > Bernard Veasey wrote: >> David Pilling's RSS News feed >> http://www.davidpilling.info/rss.xml >> also works with RComp's NetFetch and presumably the recent new version >> of DialUp. > > I use Netfetch and like Dave Symes I am asking what do you need to do to > use it. Is it simply a News Fetch, or is is a case RTFM (or instruction > on the site). Click 'menu' on NetFetch's icon bar icon. Click 'choices...' from this menu. Click 'Emailboxes' from the 'NetFetch choices' window. Click 'RSS feeds' from the resulting window. Click 'Add new' from the resulting window. Enter http://www.davidpilling.info/rss.xml in the URL icon. Enter your Messenger Pro user name in 'Local user mailbox'. Click 'Create'. Click 'Close' Click 'Close' The news items will then appear as emails in Messenger Pro in the normal way. -- Email - bernard@bapfish.org.uk Web - http://www.bapfish.org.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jul 29 13:53:47 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DyP34-0004Hl-DU-0004IY."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 13:53:47 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DyP34-0004Hl-DU; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 07:12:50 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DyP34-0004Hl-DU; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 07:12:50 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DyP33-0007eJ-Uh; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 07:12:50 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1DyP32-00023m-SL; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 08:12:48 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1DyP1i-0008KW-FK for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 08:11:26 +0100 Received: from [212.159.14.131] (helo=pih-relay04.plus.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DyP1i-0008KR-Ac for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 08:11:26 +0100 Received: from [80.229.238.131] (helo=ascension) by pih-relay04.plus.net with smtp (Exim) id 1DyP1h-0003gj-5T for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 08:11:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ned Abell To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 08:11:01 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: RSS News feed Message-ID: <4d91f1364bnedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <4d91e5ea84dfs@ukgateway.net> References: <4d91ae028bdfs@ukgateway.net> <2IS$usMckU6CFwkk@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4d91e5ea84dfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 29 Jul, Dave Symes wrote: > In article <2IS$usMckU6CFwkk@pilling.demon.co.uk>, > David Pilling wrote: > > Well if you go to the above page there is a link to a document that > > explains what RSS is. > Thanks for the reply, I do have a vague understanding of > what it is, my problem is... What exactly do you have to do > to use it. I have had a look at the Ticker help file, but > whatever I'm supposed to do to add stuff to it, I'm > obviously not. With Ticker 0.85 from http://www.youmustbejoking.demon.co.uk/progs.apps.html#ticker Run it. From the iconbar menu>Tickers,, New Ticker. Label = David Pilling http:// = www.davidpilling.info/rss.xml Accept Save Quit Ticker & reload Iconbar menu>Ticker>David Pilling ...and there came forth a stream of information... HTH -- besters.. Ned === vskype:nedabell sip:17476030832@proxy01.sipphone.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jul 29 13:53:48 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DyPdK-0001bH-52-0001bm."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 13:53:48 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DyPdK-0001bH-52; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 07:50:19 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DyPdK-0001bH-52; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 07:50:18 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DyPdK-0006H0-CG; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 07:50:18 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1DyPdI-0004aR-IO; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 08:50:16 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1DyPby-0004xk-Ab for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 08:48:54 +0100 Received: from [212.159.14.213] (helo=ptb-relay04.plus.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DyPby-0004xf-2i for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 08:48:54 +0100 Received: from [84.92.224.107] (helo=barryix) by ptb-relay04.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1DyPby-0006jS-02 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 08:48:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Barry Allen (co)" To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 08:48:50 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RSS News feed Message-ID: <4d91f4ac87barry@e-allen.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4d91e5ea84dfs@ukgateway.net> References: <4d91ae028bdfs@ukgateway.net> <2IS$usMckU6CFwkk@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4d91e5ea84dfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.09) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4d91e5ea84dfs@ukgateway.net>, Dave Symes wrote: > In article <2IS$usMckU6CFwkk@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling > wrote: > > Well if you go to the above page there is a link to a document that > > explains what RSS is. > Thanks for the reply, I do have a vague understanding of what it is, my > problem is... What exactly do you have to do to use it. I have had a > look at the Ticker help file, but whatever I'm supposed to do to add > stuff to it, I'm obviously not. Click on 'Tickers' from the iconbar menu. Click on 'New Ticker' Type in your label, I've put:- Pilling News Type in your Group, I've put:- News Type in the URL, I've put:- www.davidpilling.info/rss.xml Click on 'Accept' Click on 'Save' Robert is your Mother's Brother. To access the Ticker. Click on 'Ticker' Follow 'News' then click on 'Pilling News' and up will come the Ticker across the bottom of the screen. -- Barry A. Rugby Union in Manchester:- http://www.broughton-park.org.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jul 29 13:53:49 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DyQ9N-0002Eq-Ok-0002FG."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 13:53:49 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DyQ9N-0002Eq-Ok; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 08:23:26 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DyQ9N-0002Eq-Ok; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 08:23:25 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DyQ9N-000719-Fi; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 08:23:25 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1DyQ9M-0006mN-C1; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 09:23:24 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1DyQ82-0002EG-0c for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 09:22:02 +0100 Received: from [212.227.126.187] (helo=moutng.kundenserver.de) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DyQ81-0002EB-Jk for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 09:22:01 +0100 Received: from cpc3-cmbg4-5-0-cust55.cmbg.cable.ntl.com [81.96.74.55] (helo=linux.at.home) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0ML2Dk-1DyQ810QV5-00018M; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 10:22:01 +0200 Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 09:21:57 +0100 From: John Pettigrew To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: RSS News feed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4d91c1262dbarry@e-allen.co.uk> References: <4d91ae028bdfs@ukgateway.net> <2IS$usMckU6CFwkk@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4d91c1262dbarry@e-allen.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-Organization: XL Cambridge User-Agent: Gemini/2.26 (Qt/3.3.1) (Linux-i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="918772289--108508088--359638055"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:e57c3e1a4e3b0a42ebfd9b8d18fc39cc Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) --918772289--108508088--359638055 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a previous message, "Barry Allen (co)" wrote: > In article <2IS$usMckU6CFwkk@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling > > I'm not familiar with RISC OS RSS software. In general though the ide= a is > > to get the link from the orange XML button (on the above page) into i= t. >=20 > !Ticker from http://www.youmustbejoking.demon.co.uk/progs.apps.html is = the > RISC OS version Alternatively, firefox users should find that the Live Bookmarks feature = will track any RSS feeds. Alternatively, there is a web-based tracker at www.bloglines.com that does a similar thing - this has a firefox plugin t= hat lets you subscribe to feeds from a button in the browser, but I don't kno= w for sure whether this works for RISC OS firefox yet. John --=20 John Pettigrew Headstrong Games=20 john@headstrong-games.co.uk Fun : Strategy : Price=20 http://www.headstrong-games.co.uk/ Board games that won't break the ban= k=20 Fields of Valour: 2 Norse clans battle on one of 3 different boards --918772289--108508088--359638055 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBC6ecop6M/P/S/JWgRAqt3AJ0fEfD3t09AOorauhr/oOd8hYv7LQCcDXIB 7U0JnOv2P0kiPqoqb2CiFBc= =plVa -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --918772289--108508088--359638055-- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jul 29 13:53:50 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DySES-0003Ve-8H-0003WK."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 13:53:50 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DySES-0003Ve-8H; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 10:36:49 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DySES-0003Ve-8H; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 10:36:48 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DySES-0005Jn-DL; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 10:36:48 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1DySER-0000SJ-Df; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 11:36:47 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1DyRQa-0002pD-NE for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 10:45:16 +0100 Received: from [81.187.81.51] (helo=smtp.aaisp.net.uk) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DyRQa-0002p8-Bx for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 10:45:16 +0100 Received: from [81.187.226.10] (helo=RISCPC20) by smtp.aaisp.net.uk with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DyRQa-00018D-18 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 10:45:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Phil To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 10:45:49 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: RSS News feed Message-ID: <4d91ff622ephilco@heter.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <22b5ee914d.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> References: <2IS$usMckU6CFwkk@pilling.demon.co.uk<4d91c1262dbarry@e-allen.co.uk> <4d91c298afbarry@e-allen.co.uk <119de8914d.Bernard@bapfish.plus.com> <4d91ec03cdphilco@heter.co.uk> <22b5ee914d.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > NetFetch Choices > Emailboxes > RSS Feeds > Add new > Put the URL > supplied by David in the URL box and your local user name in the Local > user mailbox and click "Create". > Then either use Fetch > RSS feeds from the icon bar menu, or RSS feeds > fetch automatically when you fetch news. > All assuming you've got NetFetch 2.13 (13th July, 2005) :-) > I think it's in TFM, or I wouldn't have been able to do it. > HTH, > With best wishes, > Peter. Thanks Peter. Ah, I need latest netfetch to do the above. I have V1.11 at the moment so I'll have to edit my NEWS transfer. Maybe Time to upgrade. Thanks Phil -- .. This email has been sent from a RiscPC which does not run Windows, but it will more than likely read your files. philco@heter.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jul 29 13:53:53 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DyT56-0003jj-SV-0003k9."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 13:53:53 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DyT56-0003jj-SV; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 11:31:13 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DyT56-0003jj-SV; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 11:31:12 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DyT56-0002ue-ME; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 11:31:12 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1DyT55-0004Fu-8h; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 12:31:11 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1DyT3k-0006do-9f for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 12:29:48 +0100 Received: from [81.103.221.49] (helo=mta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DyT3j-0006di-VD for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 12:29:48 +0100 Received: from aamta10-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20050729112947.RGZS16172.mta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamta10-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 12:29:47 +0100 Received: from oemcomputer ([62.255.73.22]) by aamta10-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20050729112947.QVXU2760.aamta10-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@oemcomputer> for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 12:29:47 +0100 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20050729122519.00954100@pop.ntlworld.com> X-Sender: neillmc@pop.ntlworld.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 12:29:40 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: neillmc Subject: [softwarelist] Thesaurus In-Reply-To: <0p6vmSJU50wCFwXZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <7671bb824d.pbready@ntlworld.com> <7671bb824d.pbready@ntlworld.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_20733908==_.ALT" Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,HTML_10_20,HTML_MESSAGE,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) --=====================_20733908==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Hi, I have found when using Thesaurus on Wondows, that when I highlight a word and then press CTRL, the thesaurus window appears correctly. However, the highlighted word changes to the word immediately before it. It works properly on RiscOS; what am I doing wrong? Neill McNeill --=====================_20733908==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Hi,

        I have found when using Thesaurus on Wondows, that when I highlight a word and then press CTRL<T>, the thesaurus window appears correctly. However, the highlighted word changes to the word immediately before it. It works properly on RiscOS; what am I doing wrong?

Neill McNeill --=====================_20733908==_.ALT-- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jul 29 13:53:59 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DyTfh-0004Fa-Oj-0004GM."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 13:53:59 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DyTfh-0004Fa-Oj; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 12:09:02 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DyTfh-0004Fa-Oj; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 12:09:01 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DyTfh-0003bv-Fc; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 12:09:01 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1DyTfc-0007Ax-Jr; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 13:08:56 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1DyTeH-0001R1-UD for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 13:07:33 +0100 Received: from [212.62.69.126] (helo=sally.dts-online.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DyTeH-0001Qu-KQ for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 13:07:33 +0100 Received: from uff411.ucs.de (213-182-112-148.teleos-web.de [213.182.112.148]) by sally.dts-online.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 21017455438 for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 14:07:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: from kaskaskia.ucs.de ([192.168.202.184]) by uff411.ucs.de; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 14:07:45 +0200 Received: from martinv by kaskaskia.ucs.de with local (RemoteNB 1.53beta2) for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; 29 Jul 2005 14:07:43 +0200 Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 14:07:43 +0200 From: Martin Vethake To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: RSS News feed Message-ID: References: <4d91ae028bdfs@ukgateway.net> <2IS$usMckU6CFwkk@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4d91c1262dbarry@e-allen.co.uk> <4d91c298afbarry@e-allen.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: U C S User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60 (RemoteNB/1.53beta2) (RISC-OS/3.70) X-Editor: Zap 1.45 (06 Nov 2002), ZapEmail 0.26 (03 Nov 2002) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message you wrote: > I'd been wondering how to break to him the news he'd got it wrong. > Mmmmh, "first post" - smells like karma to me... An OP RSS, beautiful, I like that. -- Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jul 29 14:13:39 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DyUg9-0004hs-63-0004jB."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 14:13:39 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DyUg9-0004hs-63; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 13:13:35 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DyUg9-0004hs-63; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 13:13:33 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DyUg9-0002bp-Lc; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 13:13:33 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1DyUg8-0002p1-8w; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 14:13:32 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1DyUem-0002r1-2G for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 14:12:08 +0100 Received: from [81.103.221.47] (helo=mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DyUek-0002qB-BG for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 14:12:06 +0100 Received: from aamta11-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20050729131201.IMZS21602.mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamta11-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 14:12:01 +0100 Received: from oemcomputer ([62.255.73.22]) by aamta11-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20050729131201.UDHM24042.aamta11-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@oemcomputer> for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 14:12:01 +0100 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20050729141127.009624a0@pop.ntlworld.com> X-Sender: neillmc@pop.ntlworld.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 14:11:54 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: neillmc Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Thesaurus In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20050729122519.00954100@pop.ntlworld.com> References: <0p6vmSJU50wCFwXZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> <7671bb824d.pbready@ntlworld.com> <7671bb824d.pbready@ntlworld.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_26869029==_.ALT" Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,HTML_10_20,HTML_MESSAGE, IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) --=====================_26869029==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Read the manual! At 12:29 29/07/05 +0100, you wrote: >Hi, > > I have found when using Thesaurus on Wondows, that when I > highlight a word and then press CTRL, the thesaurus window appears > correctly. However, the highlighted word changes to the word immediately > before it. It works properly on RiscOS; what am I doing wrong? > >Neill McNeill --=====================_26869029==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Read the manual!

At 12:29 29/07/05 +0100, you wrote:
Hi,

        I have found when using Thesaurus on Wondows, that when I highlight a word and then press CTRL<T>, the thesaurus window appears correctly. However, the highlighted word changes to the word immediately before it. It works properly on RiscOS; what am I doing wrong?

Neill McNeill
--=====================_26869029==_.ALT-- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jul 29 14:33:39 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DyUyH-0004vX-G1-0004vz."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 14:33:39 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DyUyH-0004vX-G1; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 13:32:18 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DyUyH-0004vX-G1; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 13:32:17 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DyUyH-0002NN-Ni; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 13:32:17 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1DyUyD-0007lQ-Vb; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 14:32:13 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1DyUwn-0006MH-1l for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 14:30:45 +0100 Received: from [194.217.242.85] (helo=anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DyUwm-0006MB-Jm for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 14:30:44 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1DyUsJ-0008xv-J2 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 13:26:08 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 14:29:26 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: RSS News feed References: <4d91c1262dbarry@e-allen.co.uk> <119de8914d.Bernard@bapfish.plus.com> <4d91ec03cdphilco@heter.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Click 'menu' on NetFetch's icon bar icon. I've taken the liberty of quoting the instructions Barry Allen and Bernard Veasey have just given on a new web page: http://www.davidpilling.net/news1.html So thanks for those, and they will be available to anyone looking at the news web page in the future. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jul 29 15:43:43 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DyVyr-0004bi-C3-0004cJ."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 15:43:43 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DyVyr-0004bi-C3; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 14:36:58 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DyVyr-0004bi-C3; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 14:36:57 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DyVyr-0004ST-GQ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 14:36:57 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1DyVyp-0002Wz-Bj; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 15:36:55 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1DyVxP-00026I-5T for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 15:35:27 +0100 Received: from [212.187.204.18] (helo=zen.orpheusnet.co.uk) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DyVxO-00024N-MB for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 15:35:26 +0100 Received: from rpc.rayhome (dsl82-163-139-29.as15444.net [82.163.139.29]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id j6TEZJTP006004 for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 15:35:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Favre To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 15:34:36 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: RSS News feed Message-ID: <4d9219d2c2ray@rayfavre.me.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4d91c1262dbarry@e-allen.co.uk> <119de8914d.Bernard@bapfish.plus.com> <4d91ec03cdphilco@heter.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.02f (RISC-OS/4.33) Content-Type: text/plain X-mx0-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-mx0-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.05, required 5, autolearn=disabled, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.05) X-MailScanner-From: Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , David Pilling wrote: > >Click 'menu' on NetFetch's icon bar icon. > I've taken the liberty of quoting the instructions Barry Allen and > Bernard Veasey have just given on a new web page: > http://www.davidpilling.net/news1.html > So thanks for those, and they will be available to anyone looking > at the news web page in the future. Golly! Ain't Science wunnerful? RSS was one (more) of those things that I was scared to ask about - but 5 minutes after reading Barry Allen's post it was up and running. I'll never get any keyboard work done now! (It took that long because Fresco would not play ball with the !Ticker site and I had to switch to WebsterXL - but I shan't blame you for that!) -- Regards from Ray Favre. Email at: Web site at: Tel: (+44) (0)1895 444410 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jul 29 16:53:46 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DyX2A-00062j-R5-000637."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 16:53:46 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DyX2A-00062j-R5; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 15:44:26 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DyX2A-00062j-R5; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 15:44:26 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DyX2A-0001tZ-7X; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 15:44:26 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1DyX24-0007kG-0V; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 16:44:20 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1DyX0j-0004Jj-Ic for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 16:42:57 +0100 Received: from [212.159.14.132] (helo=pih-relay05.plus.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DyX0j-0004JZ-8F for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 16:42:57 +0100 Received: from [84.92.97.176] (helo=greatest) by pih-relay05.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1DyX0c-0002MH-8p for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 16:42:50 +0100 Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 16:42:49 +0100 From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: RSS News feed Message-ID: <9a1120924d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> References: <2IS$usMckU6CFwkk@pilling.demon.co.uk<4d91c1262dbarry@e-allen.co.uk> <4d91c298afbarry@e-allen.co.uk <119de8914d.Bernard@bapfish.plus.com> <4d91ec03cdphilco@heter.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4d91ec03cdphilco@heter.co.uk> X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.21 (MsgServe/3.05) (RISC-OS/5.09) POPstar/2.06-ds.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message of 29 Jul, Phil wrote: > In article <119de8914d.Bernard@bapfish.plus.com>, > Bernard Veasey wrote: > > David Pilling's RSS News feed > > http://www.davidpilling.info/rss.xml > > also works with RComp's NetFetch and presumably the recent new version > > of DialUp. > > I use Netfetch and like Dave Symes I am asking what do you need to do to > use it. Is it simply a News Fetch, or is is a case RTFM (or instruction > on the site). Netfetch is a misnomer: it does not do any fetching itself. Newshound and Hermes are the programs that do the fetching and Netfetch is a convenient front end to set their parameters. (You can do you fetching without using NetFetch at all, but the control is not so easy.) -- Tim Powys-Lybbe                                          tim@powys.org              For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jul 29 17:13:48 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DyXPw-0001Bb-Oy-0001C7."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 17:13:48 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DyXPw-0001Bb-Oy; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 16:09:01 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DyXPw-0001Bb-Oy; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 16:09:00 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DyXPw-0000gB-CC; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 16:09:00 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1DyXPj-0002To-Cs; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 17:08:47 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1DyXNm-0001MQ-R9 for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 17:06:46 +0100 Received: from [81.103.221.49] (helo=mta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DyXNm-0001MK-GN for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 17:06:46 +0100 Received: from aamta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20050729160646.YOHO16172.mta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 17:06:46 +0100 Received: from j8s0v7 ([80.5.10.222]) by aamta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with SMTP id <20050729160645.XQAR19483.aamta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@j8s0v7> for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 17:06:45 +0100 Message-ID: <000701c59457$640bfce0$6401a8c0@j8s0v7> From: "John Grogan" To: References: <2IS$usMckU6CFwkk@pilling.demon.co.uk<4d91c1262dbarry@e-allen.co.uk> <4d91c298afbarry@e-allen.co.uk <119de8914d.Bernard@bapfish.plus.com> <4d91ec03cdphilco@heter.co.uk> <9a1120924d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: RSS News feed Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 17:05:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01 version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) As I understand it, the old system was that whenever there was any news, David kindly sent everyone on his list an e-mail. With RSS, (a) I have to buy a new piece of software and (b) I have to remember to run it every day on the off-chance that there might be a bit of news. Doesn't sound like a great step forward to me! Or am I thinking with the wrong end of my anatomy (as usual)? Regards John Grogan -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jul 29 17:33:48 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DyXf1-0002qv-Qv-0002rA."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 17:33:48 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DyXf1-0002qv-Qv; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 16:24:35 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DyXf1-0002qv-Qv; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 16:24:35 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DyXf1-0007ic-08; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 16:24:35 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1DyXdy-0000cW-IK; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 17:23:30 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1DyXah-0003Vl-1Q for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 17:20:07 +0100 Received: from [81.103.221.49] (helo=mta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DyXag-0003Ve-M9 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 17:20:06 +0100 Received: from aamta12-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20050729162006.YXSM16172.mta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamta12-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 17:20:06 +0100 Received: from Office ([82.11.174.50]) by aamta12-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20050729162006.VUUA9998.aamta12-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@Office> for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 17:20:06 +0100 From: "Jeff Wallis" To: Subject: RE: [softwarelist] Re: RSS News feed Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 17:20:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Thread-Index: AcWUQnfiNQ3uoMLOTeKIO71LctleawAFmB/g In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Message-Id: <20050729162006.VUUA9998.aamta12-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@Office> Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_20,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,IN_REP_TO,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME, SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) No one seems to have mentioned a good rss aggregator for Windows. This one seems to be straightforward. (Straightforward here means I made it work first time without having to plough through a load of instructions). Looks like it has a raft of useful extras but I haven't explored those yet. http://www.awasu.com/index.php Jeff Wallis -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.7/60 - Release Date: 28/07/2005 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jul 29 17:43:49 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DyXoS-00006l-BV-00007H."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 17:43:49 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DyXoS-00006l-BV; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 16:34:21 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DyXoS-00006l-BV; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 16:34:20 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DyXoS-0004Z5-Cw; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 16:34:20 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1DyXoR-0001vC-BA; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 17:34:19 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1DyXlS-00063a-H0 for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 17:31:14 +0100 Received: from [212.187.204.18] (helo=zen.orpheusnet.co.uk) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DyXlS-00063O-5P for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 17:31:14 +0100 Received: from Iyonix.pnyoung.ormail.co.uk (dsl82-163-136-244.as15444.net [82.163.136.244]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6TGVBfi015335 for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 17:31:11 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: RSS News feed To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Dr Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.09 Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 17:30:06 +0100 Message-ID: <7d6524924d.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> References: <2IS$usMckU6CFwkk@pilling.demon.co.uk<4d91c1262dbarry@e-allen.co.uk> <4d91c298afbarry@e-allen.co.uk <119de8914d.Bernard@bapfish.plus.com> <4d91ec03cdphilco@heter.co.uk> <9a1120924d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <000701c59457$640bfce0$6401a8c0@j8s0v7> In-Reply-To: <000701c59457$640bfce0$6401a8c0@j8s0v7> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.27 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.09) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-mx0-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-mx0-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.091, required 5, autolearn=disabled, AWL 0.04, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.05) X-MailScanner-From: Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 29 Jul 2005 "John Grogan" wrote: > As I understand it, the old system was that whenever there was any news, > David kindly sent everyone on his list an e-mail. With RSS, (a) I have to > buy a new piece of software and (b) I have to remember to run it every day > on the off-chance that there might be a bit of news. Doesn't sound like a > great step forward to me! Or am I thinking with the wrong end of my anatomy > (as usual)? Doesn't Outlook Express have a facility for getting RSS feeds? Hermes has :-) With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 Anne \ / __ __ \ England. and / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk family / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \______________ pnyoung@ormail.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jul 29 17:43:49 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DyXqQ-0001Nh-9h-0001OI."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 17:43:49 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DyXqQ-0001Nh-9h; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 16:36:22 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DyXqQ-0001Nh-9h; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 16:36:22 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DyXqP-0006Ga-R3; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 16:36:21 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1DyXqO-0001e3-MI; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 17:36:20 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1DyXp5-0006um-7D for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 17:34:59 +0100 Received: from [212.227.126.187] (helo=moutng.kundenserver.de) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DyXp4-0006uH-OV for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 17:34:58 +0100 Received: from cpc3-cmbg4-5-0-cust55.cmbg.cable.ntl.com [81.96.74.55] (helo=linux.at.home) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKxQS-1DyXp41bFy-0000f0; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 18:34:58 +0200 Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 17:34:57 +0100 From: John Pettigrew To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: RSS News feed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000701c59457$640bfce0$6401a8c0@j8s0v7> References: <2IS$usMckU6CFwkk@pilling.demon.co.uk<4d91c1262dbarry@e-allen.co.uk> <4d91c298afbarry@e-allen.co.uk <119de8914d.Bernard@bapfish.plus.com> <4d91ec03cdphilco@heter.co.uk> <9a1120924d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <000701c59457$640bfce0$6401a8c0@j8s0v7> Mail-Followup-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-Organization: XL Cambridge User-Agent: Gemini/2.27 (Qt/3.3.1) (Linux-i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="1260571017--43052590--1442875404"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:e57c3e1a4e3b0a42ebfd9b8d18fc39cc Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) --1260571017--43052590--1442875404 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a previous message, "John Grogan" wrote: > With RSS, (a) I have to buy a new piece of software and (b) I have to > remember to run it every day on the off-chance Well, there is plenty of free RSS software around. I believe that Ticker = is free, and firefox certainly is. As for running it every day - the news isn't that often :-) In any case,= once you realise how useful RSS is, you soon start adding sources and running = it continually. John --=20 John Pettigrew Headstrong Games=20 john@headstrong-games.co.uk Fun : Strategy : Price=20 http://www.headstrong-games.co.uk/ Board games that won't break the ban= k=20 Knossos: escape the ever-changing labyrinth before the Minotaur catches y= ou!=20 --1260571017--43052590--1442875404 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBC6lqyp6M/P/S/JWgRAokUAJ9nzfxe+2GfL7veVquO55wVd/A7DgCeMmw5 mdGUbS+UL1Ag5d5dLBRXwAs= =KCIa -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --1260571017--43052590--1442875404-- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jul 29 17:43:50 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DyXxH-0004dR-M5-0004fL."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 17:43:50 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DyXxH-0004dR-M5; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 16:43:28 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DyXxH-0004dR-M5; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 16:43:27 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DyXxH-0004eg-M1; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 16:43:27 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1DyXxG-0001e3-9Q; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 17:43:26 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1DyXuK-0008IW-V2 for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 17:40:24 +0100 Received: from [194.217.242.89] (helo=anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DyXuK-0008IQ-R7 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 17:40:24 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1DyXph-000DG7-5w for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 16:35:38 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 17:39:14 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: RSS News feed References: <20050729162006.VUUA9998.aamta12-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@Office> In-Reply-To: <20050729162006.VUUA9998.aamta12-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@Office> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >http://www.awasu.com/index.php That's the one I used - pointed to by the BBC. I can't say I'm happy with it. It seems to be over complicated. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jul 29 18:53:52 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DyYzA-0005mK-B5-0005mf."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 18:53:52 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DyYzA-0005mK-B5; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 17:49:28 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DyYzA-0005mK-B5; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 17:49:28 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DyYzA-0003U9-8c; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 17:49:28 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1DyYz7-0000YY-L0; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 18:49:25 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1DyXlq-00067e-JV for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 17:31:38 +0100 Received: from [194.217.242.91] (helo=anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DyXlq-00067Z-Fx for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 17:31:38 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1DyXlq-000Pup-AK for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 16:31:38 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 17:30:07 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: RSS News feed References: <4d91c1262dbarry@e-allen.co.uk> <119de8914d.Bernard@bapfish.plus.com> <4d91ec03cdphilco@heter.co.uk> <9a1120924d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <000701c59457$640bfce0$6401a8c0@j8s0v7> In-Reply-To: <000701c59457$640bfce0$6401a8c0@j8s0v7> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >As I understand it, the old system was that whenever there was any news, >David kindly sent everyone on his list an e-mail. With RSS, (a) I have to >buy a new piece of software and (b) I have to remember to run it every day >on the off-chance that there might be a bit of news. Doesn't sound like a >great step forward to me! Or am I thinking with the wrong end of my anatomy >(as usual)? Well... The old system will continue. The frequency of news will be greatest on this mail list. The existing (once a year) mail list will continue. So you are no worse off. RSS software seems to be available for free. Some (most) RSS software automatically checks for updates for you. I think the idea is that you set up your free RSS software and it produces a digest of news from many sites for you, which you look at when you want. Just like reading the headlines in the paper everyday. Clearly my RSS feed is very important, but you might subscribe to others like BBC news. In general RSS does not seem efficient, it is a "polling" system rather than an "event" driven system. I was reading yesterday horror tales of how much web space bandwidth can be used - if your site is very popular, if the users poll too often, if the software downloads the whole page instead of checking if it has been updated. RSS brings to mind all that fuss about "push" technology a few years ago. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jul 29 21:13:59 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Dyb6Z-0002I6-7u-0002II."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 21:13:59 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Dyb6Z-0002I6-7u; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 20:05:15 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Dyb6Z-0002I6-7u; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 20:05:15 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Dyb6Z-0002PD-7j; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 20:05:15 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1Dyb6Y-00038r-2Y; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 21:05:14 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Dyb5E-000505-B5 for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 21:03:52 +0100 Received: from [212.74.114.39] (helo=mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Dyb5E-0004zy-6Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 21:03:52 +0100 Received: from dsl-80-41-178-55.access.as9105.com ([80.41.178.55]:10491 helo=dave.nom) by mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Dyb5D-000N6V-RQ for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 20:03:51 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 20:53:14 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RSS News feed Message-ID: <4d9236fec2dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4d91f1364bnedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> References: <4d91ae028bdfs@ukgateway.net> <2IS$usMckU6CFwkk@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4d91e5ea84dfs@ukgateway.net> <4d91f1364bnedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4d91f1364bnedabell@weatherpost.org.uk>, Ned Abell wrote: > On 29 Jul, Dave Symes wrote: > > In article <2IS$usMckU6CFwkk@pilling.demon.co.uk>, > > David Pilling wrote: > > > Well if you go to the above page there is a link to a document that > > > explains what RSS is. > > Thanks for the reply, I do have a vague understanding of > > what it is, my problem is... What exactly do you have to do > > to use it. I have had a look at the Ticker help file, but > > whatever I'm supposed to do to add stuff to it, I'm > > obviously not. > With Ticker 0.85 from > http://www.youmustbejoking.demon.co.uk/progs.apps.html#ticker > Run it. From the iconbar menu>Tickers,, New Ticker. > Label = David Pilling > http:// = www.davidpilling.info/rss.xml > Accept > Save > Quit Ticker & reload > Iconbar menu>Ticker>David Pilling > ...and there came forth a stream of information... > HTH Thanks for the info, Ticker now present the David Pilling info. Cheers Dave S -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jul 29 21:14:00 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Dyb6b-0005rJ-Cx-0005rj."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 21:14:00 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Dyb6b-0005rJ-Cx; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 20:05:17 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Dyb6b-0005rJ-Cx; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 20:05:17 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Dyb6a-0003sk-RU; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 20:05:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1Dyb6Y-0006kZ-4i; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 21:05:14 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Dyb5D-0004zs-C6 for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 21:03:51 +0100 Received: from [212.74.114.39] (helo=mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Dyb5D-0004zn-8P for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 21:03:51 +0100 Received: from dsl-80-41-178-55.access.as9105.com ([80.41.178.55]:10491 helo=dave.nom) by mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Dyb5C-000N6V-Ug for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 20:03:51 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 20:51:58 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] RSS News feed Message-ID: <4d9236e0b7dfs@ukgateway.net> References: <2IS$usMckU6CFwkk@pilling.demon.co.uk<4d91c1262dbarry@e-allen.co.uk> <4d91c298afbarry@e-allen.co.uk <119de8914d.Bernard@bapfish.plus.com> <4d91ec03cdphilco@heter.co.uk> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , Bernard Veasey wrote: > Phil wrote: > > Bernard Veasey wrote: > >> David Pilling's RSS News feed > >> http://www.davidpilling.info/rss.xml > >> also works with RComp's NetFetch and presumably the recent new version > >> of DialUp. > > > > I use Netfetch and like Dave Symes I am asking what do you need to do > > to use it. Is it simply a News Fetch, or is is a case RTFM (or > > instruction on the site). > Click 'menu' on NetFetch's icon bar icon. > Click 'choices...' from this menu. > Click 'Emailboxes' from the 'NetFetch choices' window. > Click 'RSS feeds' from the resulting window. > Click 'Add new' from the resulting window. > Enter http://www.davidpilling.info/rss.xml in the URL icon. > Enter your Messenger Pro user name in 'Local user mailbox'. > Click 'Create'. > Click 'Close' > Click 'Close' > The news items will then appear as emails in Messenger Pro in the > normal way. Thanks for the info. As I mentioned in my note to Peter, there is no RSS feed in the resulting window. Cheers Dave S -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jul 29 21:14:00 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Dyb75-0002nA-6F-0002na."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 21:14:00 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Dyb75-0002nA-6F; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 20:05:48 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Dyb75-0002nA-6F; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 20:05:47 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Dyb75-00041J-NU; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 20:05:47 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1Dyb74-0008Hj-Q8; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 21:05:46 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Dyb5C-0004zk-Ta for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 21:03:50 +0100 Received: from [212.74.114.39] (helo=mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Dyb5C-0004zf-Il for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 21:03:50 +0100 Received: from dsl-80-41-178-55.access.as9105.com ([80.41.178.55]:10491 helo=dave.nom) by mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Dyb5C-000N6V-1q for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 20:03:50 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 20:38:41 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RSS News feed Message-ID: <4d9235a9bfdfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <22b5ee914d.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> References: <2IS$usMckU6CFwkk@pilling.demon.co.uk<4d91c1262dbarry@e-allen.co.uk> <4d91c298afbarry@e-allen.co.uk <119de8914d.Bernard@bapfish.plus.com> <4d91ec03cdphilco@heter.co.uk> <22b5ee914d.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <22b5ee914d.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>, Dr Peter Young wrote: > On 29 Jul 2005 Phil wrote: > > In article <119de8914d.Bernard@bapfish.plus.com>, > > Bernard Veasey wrote: > >> David Pilling's RSS News feed > >> http://www.davidpilling.info/rss.xml > >> also works with RComp's NetFetch and presumably the recent new version > >> of DialUp. > > I use Netfetch and like Dave Symes I am asking what do you need to do > > to use it. Is it simply a News Fetch, or is is a case RTFM (or > > instruction on the site). > NetFetch Choices > Emailboxes > RSS Feeds > Add new > Put the URL > supplied by David in the URL box and your local user name in the Local > user mailbox and click "Create". > Then either use Fetch > RSS feeds from the icon bar menu, or RSS feeds > fetch automatically when you fetch news. > All assuming you've got NetFetch 2.13 (13th July, 2005) :-) > I think it's in TFM, or I wouldn't have been able to do it. > HTH, > With best wishes, > Peter. Thanks for the info Peter, but two snaggy poos seem evident. 1) Though I am using Netfetch 2.13 13th July, the "NetFetch Choices > Emailboxes" window doesn't contain any reference to RSS Feeds, though obviously there is a "Add new" button. 2) Though I'm using Netfetch, I receive mail postings through AntiSpam, so it wouldn't work anyway, even if I could find the RSS Feeds button. So my question is: why no RSS Feed in the config window? Cheers Dave S PS: I have got it running with Ticker. D. -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jul 29 21:14:00 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Dyb7J-0002t5-6C-0002tJ."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 21:14:00 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Dyb7J-0002t5-6C; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 20:06:02 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Dyb7J-0002t5-6C; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 20:06:01 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Dyb7J-0002G7-Oz; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 20:06:01 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1Dyb74-0002k7-9w; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 21:05:46 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Dyb5F-00050J-7f for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 21:03:53 +0100 Received: from [212.74.114.39] (helo=mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Dyb5F-00050E-2z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 21:03:53 +0100 Received: from dsl-80-41-178-55.access.as9105.com ([80.41.178.55]:10491 helo=dave.nom) by mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Dyb5E-000N6V-PE for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 20:03:52 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 20:54:45 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RSS News feed Message-ID: <4d92372216dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4d91f4ac87barry@e-allen.co.uk> References: <4d91ae028bdfs@ukgateway.net> <2IS$usMckU6CFwkk@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4d91e5ea84dfs@ukgateway.net> <4d91f4ac87barry@e-allen.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4d91f4ac87barry@e-allen.co.uk>, Barry Allen (co) wrote: > In article <4d91e5ea84dfs@ukgateway.net>, Dave Symes > wrote: > > In article <2IS$usMckU6CFwkk@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling > > wrote: > > > Well if you go to the above page there is a link to a document that > > > explains what RSS is. > > Thanks for the reply, I do have a vague understanding of what it is, my > > problem is... What exactly do you have to do to use it. I have had a > > look at the Ticker help file, but whatever I'm supposed to do to add > > stuff to it, I'm obviously not. > Click on 'Tickers' from the iconbar menu. > Click on 'New Ticker' > Type in your label, I've put:- Pilling News > Type in your Group, I've put:- News > Type in the URL, I've put:- www.davidpilling.info/rss.xml > Click on 'Accept' > Click on 'Save' [Snip] Thanks for the info, Ticker now works with DP info. Cheers Dave S -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Jul 30 13:55:28 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Dygxj-0004U0-4j-000781."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 13:55:28 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Dygxj-0004U0-4j; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 02:21:57 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Dygxj-0004U0-4j; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 02:20:31 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Dygxj-0004Vj-9r; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 02:20:31 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1Dygxg-0004ZM-CK; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 03:20:28 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Dygvs-0007u4-Q6 for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 03:18:36 +0100 Received: from [212.187.204.26] (helo=slave.orpheusnet.co.uk) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Dygvs-0007tz-Fu for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 03:18:36 +0100 Received: from orpheusnet.rwatki.orpheusnet.co.uk (du213-130-142-17.as15444.net [213.130.142.17]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6U2ISbP028902; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 03:18:30 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: RSS News feed To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Cc: bernard@bapfish.org.uk From: Richard Watkinson X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.09 Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 03:14:02 +0100 Message-ID: <87db59924d.Richard@rwatki.orpheusnet.co.uk> References: <2IS$usMckU6CFwkk@pilling.demon.co.uk<4d91c1262dbarry@e-allen.co.uk> <4d91c298afbarry@e-allen.co.uk <119de8914d.Bernard@bapfish.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <119de8914d.Bernard@bapfish.plus.com> X-Organization: http://www.sheffieldfolkfestival.org User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.27 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/4.39) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-mx1-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-mx1-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.32, required 5, autolearn=disabled, AWL -0.21, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.05, INFO_TLD 0.48) X-MailScanner-From: Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <119de8914d.Bernard@bapfish.plus.com> Bernard Veasey wrote: > David Pilling's RSS News feed > http://www.davidpilling.info/rss.xml > also works with RComp's NetFetch and presumably the recent new version > of DialUp. > The latest version of Dialup has Hermes 1.13 which is simple to configure for RSS feeds once you've worked out how to get it on the Icon Bar (Go into !Dialup.Apps and double click on !Hermes) Find RSS feeds from the Iconbar menu and click on Add new. Don't worry about the greyed out Name field - Hermes will find this for you when you go on line. Enter the URL eg www.drobe.co.uk/rss-comments.php Enter the user name of the mailbox in your email software you want the feeds to be directed to - mine in Messenger is Richard. Tick Update feeds automatically choose an update time if required then Close. Now give it a whirl by going online. I chose Drobe as an example because you are likely to get several messages to help confirm you've got it working (or none if not!) -- Richard Watkinson Treasurer Sheffield Folk Festival http://www.sheffieldfolkfestival.org/ Join the RSPB today -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Jul 30 13:55:29 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DyhM5-0001Vq-Qa-0001Vz."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 13:55:29 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DyhM5-0001Vq-Qa; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 02:45:41 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DyhM5-0001Vq-Qa; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 02:45:41 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DyhM5-0004O7-2Y; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 02:45:41 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1DyhLu-0001La-6Q; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 03:45:30 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1DyhKA-0001Yu-Rz for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 03:43:42 +0100 Received: from [212.187.204.26] (helo=slave.orpheusnet.co.uk) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DyhKA-0001Yo-F8 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 03:43:42 +0100 Received: from orpheusnet.rwatki.orpheusnet.co.uk (du213-130-142-1.as15444.net [213.130.142.1]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6U2hYcZ030053 for ; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 03:43:35 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: RSS News feed To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Richard Watkinson X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.09 Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 03:41:53 +0100 Message-ID: <35685c924d.Richard@rwatki.orpheusnet.co.uk> References: <2IS$usMckU6CFwkk@pilling.demon.co.uk<4d91c1262dbarry@e-allen.co.uk> <4d91c298afbarry@e-allen.co.uk <119de8914d.Bernard@bapfish.plus.com> <87db59924d.Richard@rwatki.orpheusnet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <87db59924d.Richard@rwatki.orpheusnet.co.uk> X-Organization: http://www.sheffieldfolkfestival.org User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.27 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/4.39) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-mx1-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-mx1-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.336, required 5, autolearn=disabled, AWL -0.20, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.05, INFO_TLD 0.48) X-MailScanner-From: Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <87db59924d.Richard@rwatki.orpheusnet.co.uk> Richard Watkinson wrote: > In message <119de8914d.Bernard@bapfish.plus.com> > Bernard Veasey wrote: > >> David Pilling's RSS News feed >> http://www.davidpilling.info/rss.xml >> also works with RComp's NetFetch and presumably the recent new version >> of DialUp. >> > > The latest version of Dialup has Hermes 1.13 which is simple to > configure for RSS feeds once you've worked out how to get it on the > Icon Bar (Go into !Dialup.Apps and double click on !Hermes) > > Find RSS feeds from the Iconbar menu and click on Add new. > > Don't worry about the greyed out Name field - Hermes will find this > for you when you go on line. > > Enter the URL eg www.drobe.co.uk/rss-comments.php > > Enter the user name of the mailbox in your email software you want the > feeds to be directed to - mine in Messenger is Richard. > > Tick Update feeds automatically choose an update time if required then > Close. > > Now give it a whirl by going online. > > I chose Drobe as an example because you are likely to get several > messages to help confirm you've got it working (or none if not!) > > And I've just spotted that you can do this direct from the Dialup 3.13 iconbar via Choices - Emailboxes.... -- Richard Watkinson Treasurer Sheffield Folk Festival http://www.sheffieldfolkfestival.org/ Join the RSPB today -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Jul 30 13:55:31 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DyjWg-00067G-Js-00067M."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; 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Sat, 30 Jul 2005 06:03:20 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: RSS News feed To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: charles X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.09 Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 05:56:29 +0100 Message-ID: References: <2IS$usMckU6CFwkk@pilling.demon.co.uk<4d91c1262dbarry@e-allen.co.uk> <4d91c298afbarry@e-allen.co.uk <119de8914d.Bernard@bapfish.plus.com> <4d91ec03cdphilco@heter.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.27 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.09) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Thank you, Bernard and Peter. I do love a simple child's guide. -- Charles tel 020 8949 0708 / mob 079 5620 0176/ fax 087 1243 9075 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Jul 30 13:55:33 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DyjvV-00058e-Ob-000593."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 13:55:33 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DyjvV-00058e-Ob; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 05:30:26 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DyjvV-00058e-Ob; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 05:30:25 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DyjvV-0001gb-EM; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 05:30:25 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1DyjvU-0001q7-8X; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 06:30:24 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1DyjuA-0005NU-8r for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 06:29:02 +0100 Received: from [212.159.14.131] (helo=pih-relay04.plus.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DyjuA-0005NP-59 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 06:29:02 +0100 Received: from [84.92.151.71] (helo=Iyonix.bapfish.plus.com) by pih-relay04.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Dyju9-00028x-0x for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 06:29:01 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] RSS News feed To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Bernard Veasey X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.09 Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 06:30:26 +0100 Message-ID: References: <2IS$usMckU6CFwkk@pilling.demon.co.uk<4d91c1262dbarry@e-allen.co.uk> <4d91c298afbarry@e-allen.co.uk <119de8914d.Bernard@bapfish.plus.com> <4d91ec03cdphilco@heter.co.uk> <4d9236e0b7dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4d9236e0b7dfs@ukgateway.net> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.27 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.09) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4d9236e0b7dfs@ukgateway.net> Dave Symes wrote: >> Click 'menu' on NetFetch's icon bar icon. >> Click 'choices...' from this menu. >> Click 'Emailboxes' from the 'NetFetch choices' window. >> Click 'RSS feeds' from the resulting window. >> Click 'Add new' from the resulting window. >> Enter http://www.davidpilling.info/rss.xml in the URL icon. >> Enter your Messenger Pro user name in 'Local user mailbox'. >> Click 'Create'. >> Click 'Close' >> Click 'Close' > >> The news items will then appear as emails in Messenger Pro in the >> normal way. > > Thanks for the info. > As I mentioned in my note to Peter, there is no RSS feed in the resulting > window. You can't have upgraded to NetFetch 2.13 properly then. Try upgrading again and make sure the filer window options are set to 'Verbose' and 'Force' only when you do it. -- Email - bernard@bapfish.org.uk Web - http://www.bapfish.org.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Jul 30 13:55:34 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Dym5q-0002d6-7Z-0002e2."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 13:55:34 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Dym5q-0002d6-7Z; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 07:49:15 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Dym5q-0002d6-7Z; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 07:49:14 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Dym5q-0005eR-5Y; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 07:49:14 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1Dym5p-0006o0-0D; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 08:49:13 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Dym4V-0007R1-0V for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 08:47:51 +0100 Received: from [212.187.204.18] (helo=zen.orpheusnet.co.uk) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Dym4U-0007Qu-Mj for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 08:47:50 +0100 Received: from Iyonix.pnyoung.ormail.co.uk (dsl82-163-136-244.as15444.net [82.163.136.244]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6U7ljkX016402 for ; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 08:47:46 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: RSS News feed To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Dr Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.09 Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 08:47:39 +0100 Message-ID: References: <2IS$usMckU6CFwkk@pilling.demon.co.uk<4d91c1262dbarry@e-allen.co.uk> <4d91c298afbarry@e-allen.co.uk <119de8914d.Bernard@bapfish.plus.com> <4d91ec03cdphilco@heter.co.uk> <22b5ee914d.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <4d9235a9bfdfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4d9235a9bfdfs@ukgateway.net> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.27 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.09) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-mx0-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-mx0-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.09, required 5, autolearn=disabled, AWL 0.04, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.05) X-MailScanner-From: Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 29 Jul 2005 Dave Symes wrote: [snip] >> > > Thanks for the info Peter, but two snaggy poos seem evident. > > 1) Though I am using Netfetch 2.13 13th July, the "NetFetch Choices > > Emailboxes" window doesn't contain any reference to RSS Feeds, though > obviously there is a "Add new" button. Bottom right hand of the "emailboxes" window, just above the "close" button I have "RSS feeds". If you haven't got this, as someone has said, something went wrong with the upgrade. > > 2) Though I'm using Netfetch, I receive mail postings through AntiSpam, so > it wouldn't work anyway, even if I could find the RSS Feeds button. I don't use AntiSpam, but from what I remember when I did, I don't think it should foul things up. But this is getting beyond my capabilities :-( With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 Anne \ / __ __ \ England. and / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk family / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \______________ pnyoung@ormail.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Jul 30 13:55:34 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Dymyr-0003Ga-9x-0003H2."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 13:55:34 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Dymyr-0003Ga-9x; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 08:46:05 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Dymyr-0003Ga-9x; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 08:46:05 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Dymyq-0004ig-Ua; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 08:46:05 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1Dymyp-0004y0-Po; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 09:46:03 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1DymxW-0005Vi-6K for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 09:44:42 +0100 Received: from [212.74.114.48] (helo=mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DymxW-0005VY-2B for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 09:44:42 +0100 Received: from dsl-80-41-185-195.access.as9105.com ([80.41.185.195]:10019 helo=dave.nom) by mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Dymvu-000L4g-K6 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 09:43:02 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 09:38:06 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RSS News feed Message-ID: <4d927d053fdfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: References: <2IS$usMckU6CFwkk@pilling.demon.co.uk<4d91c1262dbarry@e-allen.co.uk> <4d91c298afbarry@e-allen.co.uk <119de8914d.Bernard@bapfish.plus.com> <4d91ec03cdphilco@heter.co.uk> <4d9236e0b7dfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , Bernard Veasey wrote: > In message <4d9236e0b7dfs@ukgateway.net> > Dave Symes wrote: [Snip] > > > > Thanks for the info. As I mentioned in my note to Peter, there is no > > RSS feed in the resulting window. > You can't have upgraded to NetFetch 2.13 properly then. > Try upgrading again and make sure the filer window options are set to > 'Verbose' and 'Force' only when you do it. An interesting thought Bernard, unfortunately, that was the first thing I thought of myself and digging out my backup of the last version, I again extracted the upgrade and re applied it. No change, still no additional item in the ...Choices-Emailboxes window. However Richard Watkinson's posting has enabled me to configure Hermes directly. Cheers Dave S -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Jul 30 13:55:35 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Dymyr-0003fw-KN-0003gG."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 13:55:35 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Dymyr-0003fw-KN; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 08:46:05 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Dymyr-0003fw-KN; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 08:46:05 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Dymyr-0003Bc-4T; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 08:46:05 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1Dymyq-0007KF-2z; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 09:46:04 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1DymxW-0005Va-0l for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 09:44:42 +0100 Received: from [212.74.114.48] (helo=mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DymxV-0005VT-OZ for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 09:44:41 +0100 Received: from dsl-80-41-185-195.access.as9105.com ([80.41.185.195]:10019 helo=dave.nom) by mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Dymvu-000L4g-85 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 09:43:02 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 09:29:13 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RSS News feed Message-ID: <4d927c34d0dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <87db59924d.Richard@rwatki.orpheusnet.co.uk> References: <2IS$usMckU6CFwkk@pilling.demon.co.uk<4d91c1262dbarry@e-allen.co.uk> <4d91c298afbarry@e-allen.co.uk <119de8914d.Bernard@bapfish.plus.com> <87db59924d.Richard@rwatki.orpheusnet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <87db59924d.Richard@rwatki.orpheusnet.co.uk>, Richard Watkinson wrote: > In message <119de8914d.Bernard@bapfish.plus.com> > Bernard Veasey wrote: > > David Pilling's RSS News feed > > http://www.davidpilling.info/rss.xml > > also works with RComp's NetFetch and presumably the recent new version > > of DialUp. > > > The latest version of Dialup has Hermes 1.13 which is simple to > configure for RSS feeds once you've worked out how to get it on the > Icon Bar (Go into !Dialup.Apps and double click on !Hermes) > Find RSS feeds from the Iconbar menu and click on Add new. > Don't worry about the greyed out Name field - Hermes will find this > for you when you go on line. > Enter the URL eg www.drobe.co.uk/rss-comments.php > Enter the user name of the mailbox in your email software you want the > feeds to be directed to - mine in Messenger is Richard. > Tick Update feeds automatically choose an update time if required then > Close. > Now give it a whirl by going online. > I chose Drobe as an example because you are likely to get several > messages to help confirm you've got it working (or none if not!) Excellent Richard, as I can't configure it with NetFetch, I can bypass NF config and using your info directly configure Hermes. Then it works okay. Cheers Dave S -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Jul 30 13:55:35 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Dymzc-00050g-Cv-000516."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 13:55:35 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Dymzc-00050g-Cv; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 08:46:52 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Dymzc-00050g-Cv; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 08:46:52 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Dymzb-0003N2-RF; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 08:46:51 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1DymzW-0008BV-6G; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 09:46:46 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1DymxX-0005W0-3e for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 09:44:43 +0100 Received: from [212.74.114.48] (helo=mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DymxW-0005Vp-Vd for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 09:44:42 +0100 Received: from dsl-80-41-185-195.access.as9105.com ([80.41.185.195]:10019 helo=dave.nom) by mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Dymvv-000L4g-Fl for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 09:43:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 09:42:53 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RSS News feed Message-ID: <4d927d7543dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: References: <2IS$usMckU6CFwkk@pilling.demon.co.uk<4d91c1262dbarry@e-allen.co.uk> <4d91c298afbarry@e-allen.co.uk <119de8914d.Bernard@bapfish.plus.com> <4d91ec03cdphilco@heter.co.uk> <22b5ee914d.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <4d9235a9bfdfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , Dr Peter Young wrote: > On 29 Jul 2005 Dave Symes wrote: > [snip] > >> > > > > Thanks for the info Peter, but two snaggy poos seem evident. > > > > 1) Though I am using Netfetch 2.13 13th July, the "NetFetch Choices > > > Emailboxes" window doesn't contain any reference to RSS Feeds, though > > obviously there is a "Add new" button. > Bottom right hand of the "emailboxes" window, just above the "close" > button I have "RSS feeds". If you haven't got this, as someone has > said, something went wrong with the upgrade. > > > > 2) Though I'm using Netfetch, I receive mail postings through > > AntiSpam, so it wouldn't work anyway, even if I could find the RSS > > Feeds button. > I don't use AntiSpam, but from what I remember when I did, I don't > think it should foul things up. But this is getting beyond my > capabilities :-( > With best wishes, > Peter. As I replied to Bernard... ... unfortunately, that was the first thing I thought of myself and digging out my backup of the last version, I again extracted the upgrade and re applied it. No change, still no additional item in the ...Choices-Emailboxes window. However Richard Watkinson's posting has enabled me to configure Hermes directly. Cheers Dave S PS: Interestingly, and obviously a matter of personal preference, but having both Ticker and Hermes set up to do the same thing, I think I prefer the Ticker method, that way I can scan the ribbon and just click items of interest, rather than have the lot plonked in my mailbox. D. -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Jul 30 13:55:41 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DyqDS-0007iT-9t-0007ix."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 13:55:41 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DyqDS-0007iT-9t; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 12:13:23 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DyqDS-0007iT-9t; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 12:13:22 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DyqDR-0001Ma-Ts; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 12:13:22 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1DyqDQ-0007rG-BK; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 13:13:20 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1DyqC4-0003MG-2S for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 13:11:56 +0100 Received: from [81.103.221.47] (helo=mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DyqC3-0003MA-O1 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 13:11:55 +0100 Received: from aamta10-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20050730121155.FOXJ21602.mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamta10-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 13:11:55 +0100 Received: from j8s0v7 ([80.5.10.222]) by aamta10-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with SMTP id <20050730121155.ZWWE2760.aamta10-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@j8s0v7> for ; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 13:11:55 +0100 Message-ID: <002301c594ff$bd434180$6501a8c0@j8s0v7> From: "John Grogan" To: References: <4d91c1262dbarry@e-allen.co.uk> <119de8914d.Bernard@bapfish.plus.com> <4d91ec03cdphilco@heter.co.uk> <9a1120924d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <000701c59457$640bfce0$6401a8c0@j8s0v7> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: RSS News feed Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 13:10:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Thanks, David and others, for your gentlemanly responses to my devilment. I have installed Awasu and Ticker and both seem to work OK. The only problem I had was that the first time I added David Pilling's news feed to Ticker, it always crashed Ticker (in the same way that News>SlashDot seems to crash it). I deleted it and re-entered it - apparently identically - and it now works fine! BTW - ISTR Dan Bricklin from way back. Wasn't he the guy with the Demo program that allowed you to develop and demonstrate mock-ups of interactive software without actually writing the code? Thanks & Regards John Grogan -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Jul 30 18:45:40 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DyvHX-0005je-53-0005k6."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 18:45:40 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DyvHX-0005je-53; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 17:37:56 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DyvHX-0005je-53; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 17:37:55 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DyvHX-00051I-DS; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 17:37:55 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1DyvHL-0000d8-BR; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 18:37:43 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1DyvFr-00077t-5L for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 18:36:11 +0100 Received: from [194.73.73.211] (helo=c2bthomr03.btconnect.com) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DyvFq-00077n-Tx for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 18:36:10 +0100 Received: from riscpc.btopenworld.com (host81-136-109-67.in-addr.btopenworld.com [81.136.109.67]) by c2bthomr03.btconnect.com (MOS 3.5.8-GR) with ESMTP id CGK01502; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 18:35:36 +0100 (BST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Alan P Dawes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 18:35:37 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: RSS News feed Message-ID: <4d92ae3b60alan.dawes@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4d927d7543dfs@ukgateway.net> References: <2IS$usMckU6CFwkk@pilling.demon.co.uk<4d91c1262dbarry@e-allen.co.uk> <4d91c298afbarry@e-allen.co.uk <119de8914d.Bernard@bapfish.plus.com> <4d91ec03cdphilco@heter.co.uk> <22b5ee914d.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <4d9235a9bfdfs@ukgateway.net> <4d927d7543dfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 30 Jul, Dave Symes wrote: > ... unfortunately, that was the first thing I > thought of myself and digging out my backup of the last version, I again > extracted the upgrade and re applied it. > No change, still no additional item in the ...Choices-Emailboxes window. Make sure before upgrading that all the files in the prog to be upgraded are unprotected (menu -> Access -> Unprotected). Or set copy option to 'force'. It's possible that the !NetFetch.Templates file hasn't upgraded. Alan -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- ---------------------------- |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | alan.dawes@argonet.co.uk | | |\ | | | | |\| | | alan.dawes@riscos.org | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | Using an Acorn RiscPC -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Jul 30 18:55:40 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DyvYF-0005rK-G3-0005rp."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 18:55:40 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DyvYF-0005rK-G3; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 17:55:12 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DyvYF-0005rK-G3; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 17:55:11 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DyvYF-0002T1-Qw; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 17:55:11 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1DyvYB-0003Rr-Bf; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 18:55:07 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1DyvWq-0002s1-MF for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 18:53:44 +0100 Received: from [195.92.195.172] (helo=cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DyvWq-0002ru-F4 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 18:53:44 +0100 Received: from modem-1653.putangitangi.dialup.pol.co.uk ([81.78.198.117] helo=kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk.kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1DyvWo-0005JQ-K6 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 18:53:44 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Setting up for RSS To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: John X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.04 Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 21:41:08 +0100 Message-ID: <5b613b924d.johnpercy@kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.21 (MsgServe/3.05) (RISC-OS/4.03) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,DATE_IN_PAST_12_24,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) OK I have downloaded ticker 0.85. I have already got:-spamstamp 1.02a, DialUP 3.10 and MP 3.21. How do I install RSS for DP's updates? thanks -- J.P. Kerslake B.Sc., F.B.I.S. Dyslexia Rules KO. "phone"01248-353264. e-mail Home=johnpercy@NOSPAMkerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk,(remove NOSPAM) RiscStation Lite+. Risc OS 4.03 boot 1.03. Messenger Pro.3.21 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Jul 30 19:15:41 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DyvoS-0003aA-Or-0003af."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 19:15:41 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DyvoS-0003aA-Or; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 18:11:57 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DyvoS-0003aA-Or; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 18:11:56 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DyvoS-00023A-I5; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 18:11:56 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1DyvoR-0003Pl-Fp; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 19:11:55 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Dyvn6-0004sf-5i for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 19:10:32 +0100 Received: from [212.187.204.18] (helo=zen.orpheusnet.co.uk) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Dyvn5-0004sX-Q1 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 19:10:31 +0100 Received: from Iyonix.pnyoung.ormail.co.uk (dsl82-163-136-244.as15444.net [82.163.136.244]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6UIASpA001051 for ; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 19:10:28 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Setting up for RSS To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Dr Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.09 Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 19:10:02 +0100 Message-ID: References: <5b613b924d.johnpercy@kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <5b613b924d.johnpercy@kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.27 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.09) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-mx0-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-mx0-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.09, required 5, autolearn=disabled, AWL 0.04, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.05) X-MailScanner-From: Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 29 Jul 2005 John wrote: > OK I have downloaded ticker 0.85. I have already got:-spamstamp 1.02a, > DialUP 3.10 and MP 3.21. How do I install RSS for DP's updates? > thanks http://pilling.users.netlink.co.uk/news1.html HTH, With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 Anne \ / __ __ \ England. and / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk family / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \______________ pnyoung@ormail.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Jul 30 19:55:43 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DywLq-0004uA-8e-0004uP."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 19:55:43 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DywLq-0004uA-8e; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 18:46:27 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DywLq-0004uA-8e; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 18:46:26 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DywLq-0001vF-HR; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 18:46:26 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1DywLm-00084i-EY; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 19:46:22 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1DywKR-0007zr-3W for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 19:44:59 +0100 Received: from [212.74.114.47] (helo=mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DywKQ-0007zm-S2 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 19:44:58 +0100 Received: from dsl-80-41-188-191.access.as9105.com ([80.41.188.191]:10018 helo=dave.nom) by mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DywKP-000A5c-SW for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 18:44:58 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 19:42:48 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RSS News feed Message-ID: <4d92b461d8dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4d92ae3b60alan.dawes@argonet.co.uk> References: <2IS$usMckU6CFwkk@pilling.demon.co.uk<4d91c1262dbarry@e-allen.co.uk> <4d91c298afbarry@e-allen.co.uk <119de8914d.Bernard@bapfish.plus.com> <4d91ec03cdphilco@heter.co.uk> <22b5ee914d.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <4d9235a9bfdfs@ukgateway.net> <4d927d7543dfs@ukgateway.net> <4d92ae3b60alan.dawes@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4d92ae3b60alan.dawes@argonet.co.uk>, Alan P Dawes wrote: > On 30 Jul, Dave Symes wrote: > > ... unfortunately, that was the first thing I thought of myself and > > digging out my backup of the last version, I again extracted the > > upgrade and re applied it. No change, still no additional item in the > > ...Choices-Emailboxes window. > Make sure before upgrading that all the files in the prog to be upgraded > are unprotected (menu -> Access -> Unprotected). Or set copy option to > 'force'. It's possible that the !NetFetch.Templates file hasn't upgraded. > Alan Goodness me, it's a good thing I'm known as Mr Grumpy... Been there done all that, heard lots of fat ladies singing... The files to be overwritten were and still are Unprotected. The copy option is *always* set to Verbose and Force. I've opened up the new Templates file in a template editor. It does not have any "rss" anything. Next! Cheers Dave S All void anyway, as I've bypassed NF and directly configured Hermes. D. -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Jul 30 21:55:51 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DyyLr-0000F3-An-0000FK."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 21:55:51 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DyyLr-0000F3-An; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 20:54:35 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DyyLr-0000F3-An; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 20:54:35 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DyyLr-0005eh-6W; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 20:54:35 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1DyyLp-0006fW-LE; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 21:54:33 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1DyyKU-0003TT-TK for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 21:53:10 +0100 Received: from [194.73.73.209] (helo=c2bthomr01.btconnect.com) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DyyKT-0003T0-GQ for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 21:53:10 +0100 Received: from riscpc.btopenworld.com (host81-136-109-67.in-addr.btopenworld.com [81.136.109.67]) by c2bthomr01.btconnect.com (MOS 3.5.8-GR) with ESMTP id CHU17145; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 21:52:29 +0100 (BST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Alan P Dawes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 21:53:05 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: RSS News feed Message-ID: <4d92c04f6calan.dawes@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4d92b461d8dfs@ukgateway.net> References: <2IS$usMckU6CFwkk@pilling.demon.co.uk<4d91c1262dbarry@e-allen.co.uk> <4d91c298afbarry@e-allen.co.uk <119de8914d.Bernard@bapfish.plus.com> <4d91ec03cdphilco@heter.co.uk> <22b5ee914d.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <4d9235a9bfdfs@ukgateway.net> <4d927d7543dfs@ukgateway.net> <4d92ae3b60alan.dawes@argonet.co.uk> <4d92b461d8dfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO, SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 30 Jul, Dave Symes wrote: > I've opened up the new Templates file in a template editor. > It does not have any "rss" anything. Sorry to have misslead you, it is not the !NetFetch templates file that has been altered it is the !NetFetch.Apps.!Hermes.ResourcesUK.Templates file that has been altered to include RSS feeds. Put that Templates file into a template editor and you should find that the Accounts template file does contain the RSS feeds box. The option only comes up if you have configured Hermes as your 'mail trans app' in Netfetch choices -> Programs if you have popstar or another programme configured for mail transport then RSS feeds is not available as the original !NetFetch template is used. Alan -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- ---------------------------- |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | alan.dawes@argonet.co.uk | | |\ | | | | |\| | | alan.dawes@riscos.org | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | Using an Acorn RiscPC -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Jul 30 21:55:51 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DyyMW-0007M6-J5-0007Mm."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 21:55:51 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DyyMW-0007M6-J5; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 20:55:18 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DyyMW-0007M6-J5; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 20:55:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DyyMW-000219-Oe; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 20:55:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1DyyMR-0004y5-6H; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 21:55:11 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1DyyL7-0003rw-T1 for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 21:53:49 +0100 Received: from [212.74.114.39] (helo=mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DyyL7-0003rr-OA for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 21:53:49 +0100 Received: from dsl-80-41-188-191.access.as9105.com ([80.41.188.191]:10073 helo=dave.nom) by mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DyyL7-0007Cy-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 20:53:49 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 21:53:58 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] OvPro Chapters Message-ID: <4d92c063d5dfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I seem to have been hoist by my own... I've finally convinced SWMBO to dump Imp Publisher for her Small Press publication work, and use OvPro. Deary me, her requirements are so different from mine it's quite a nightmare. However to the problem in hand. It says in the manual and in the "Add New Chapter dialogue" Omit header on the first page. Well unless I misunderstand what it's supposed to do it doesn't. No matter how she adds header text, it still shows up on the first page of the chapter and subsequent pages, where of course it's supposed to. I could do with a spot of illumination please, how is this supposed to work? Cheers Dave S -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Jul 30 23:05:52 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DyzM2-0005e0-Gh-0005eX."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 23:05:52 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DyzM2-0005e0-Gh; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 21:58:51 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DyzM2-0005e0-Gh; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 21:58:50 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DyzM2-0005Dn-0P; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 21:58:50 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1DyzM0-000160-CR; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 22:58:48 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1DyzKg-0006QB-7j for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 22:57:26 +0100 Received: from [194.217.242.91] (helo=anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DyzKf-0006Q3-Uc for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 22:57:25 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1DyzKf-000EGR-Bw for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 21:57:25 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 22:56:17 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvPro Chapters References: <4d92c063d5dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4d92c063d5dfs@ukgateway.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >It says in the manual and in the "Add New Chapter dialogue" Omit header on >the first page. >Well unless I misunderstand what it's supposed to do it doesn't. >No matter how she adds header text, it still shows up on the first page of >the chapter and subsequent pages, where of course it's supposed to. It seems there is a bug if you use the feature in the way you describe.... This is complicated to describe because there are various ways of arriving at the destination. If you open a new document, then use modify chapter, and turn off the header or footer they vanish as expected. However if you have a chapter with a header/footer then use add new chapter, then the new chapter appears without the header, but the space for it is still reserved. If you create a new frame overlapping the header space, and then delete it the space vanishes. So there are ways around the problem. But I will fix it asap. I've done the above tests on the Windows version. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Jul 30 23:25:54 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Dyzdd-0001Vr-R4-0001WF."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 23:25:54 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Dyzdd-0001Vr-R4; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 22:17:02 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Dyzdd-0001Vr-R4; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 22:17:01 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Dyzdd-0002Fd-6u; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 22:17:01 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1Dyzdb-00026a-Vo; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 23:16:59 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1DyzcH-0002aO-Hr for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 23:15:37 +0100 Received: from [212.159.14.131] (helo=pih-relay04.plus.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DyzcH-0002aC-8M for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 23:15:37 +0100 Received: from [84.92.97.176] (helo=greatest) by pih-relay04.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1DyzcG-0006q5-3T for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 23:15:36 +0100 Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 23:15:15 +0100 From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvPro Chapters Message-ID: <19d5c7924d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> References: <4d92c063d5dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4d92c063d5dfs@ukgateway.net> X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.27 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.09) POPstar/2.06-ds.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message of 30 Jul, Dave Symes wrote: > It says in the manual and in the "Add New Chapter dialogue" Omit header on > the first page. > Well unless I misunderstand what it's supposed to do it doesn't. > No matter how she adds header text, it still shows up on the first page of > the chapter and subsequent pages, where of course it's supposed to. > > I could do with a spot of illumination please, how is this supposed to > work? No idea. But here's what I do: Select the header or footer on the first page of the chapter. Do Menu > Object > Make Local . Delete that header. This assumes that the header is originally formed on the master page for the chapter. The page numbering works correctly. -- Tim Powys-Lybbe                                          tim@powys.org              For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Jul 30 23:45:54 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Dz01C-0001Yy-F4-0001ZW."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 23:45:54 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Dz01C-0001Yy-F4; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 22:41:23 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Dz01C-0001Yy-F4; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 22:41:22 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Dz01C-00063C-DA; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 22:41:22 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1Dz01A-0003xC-Py; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 23:41:20 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Dyzzq-0005GD-5E for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 23:39:58 +0100 Received: from [194.217.242.90] (helo=anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Dyzzp-0005Fz-NZ for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 23:39:57 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Dyzzp-000NCY-7A for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 22:39:57 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 23:38:18 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvPro Chapters References: <4d92c063d5dfs@ukgateway.net> <19d5c7924d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <19d5c7924d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >No idea. But here's what I do: >Select the header or footer on the first page of the chapter. >Do Menu > Object > Make Local . >Delete that header. >This assumes that the header is originally formed on the master page >for the chapter. That only works if you're doing your own headers/footers i.e. creating them as frames on the master pages. The automatic omit feature works with frames that have built in headers/footers. For example if you type in a value for the header/footer size on the new document window. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sun Jul 31 02:36:02 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Dz2af-0004i2-KW-0004iI."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 02:36:02 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Dz2af-0004i2-KW; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 01:26:10 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Dz2af-0004i2-KW; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 01:26:09 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Dz2af-0005xI-6U; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 01:26:09 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1Dz2ad-0003Op-6y; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 02:26:07 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Dz2ZI-0008Q2-Rv for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 02:24:44 +0100 Received: from [194.217.242.90] (helo=anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Dz2ZI-0008Px-JJ for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 02:24:44 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Dz2ZH-000GdU-6o for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 01:24:44 +0000 Message-ID: <7MC8vIEZgC7CFwNe@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 02:23:37 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvPro Chapters References: <4d92c063d5dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >So there are ways around the problem. But I will fix it asap. >I've done the above tests on the Windows version. Yes, same bug in the RISC OS version. Now fixed for both RISC OS and Windows. I always worry that when I say something is fixed it will be understood as the fixed version being available - it is not available yet. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net