From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Dec 3 20:59:56 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CaKTz-0006Ke-9O-0006L0."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 20:59:56 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CaKTz-0006Ke-9O; Fri, 03 Dec 2004 20:56:52 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CaKTz-0006Ke-9O; Fri, 03 Dec 2004 20:56:51 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CaKTz-0005am-NU; Fri, 03 Dec 2004 20:56:51 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CaKTb-0004t5-8m; Fri, 03 Dec 2004 20:56:27 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iB3FjDd30875 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 15:45:13 GMT Received: from smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net (smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net [212.135.6.11]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iB3FjBs30867 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 15:45:12 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from bb-194-6-113-55.ukonline.co.uk ([194.6.113.55] helo=nails.norbins) by smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 1CaFcI-000IUJ-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 03 Dec 2004 15:45:06 +0000 Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 15:45:12 +0000 (GMT) From: Jim Nagel Subject: [softwarelist] list down? To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: speaking for myself X-Return-Rcpt-To: jim@abbeypress.net X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) seems odd that i havent received anything on this list for several days. is there a problem? my mailbox hasnt been over quota, so that's not the answer. -- Jim Nagel -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Dec 3 23:00:03 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CaMHf-0006m1-OQ-0006mb."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 23:00:03 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CaMHf-0006m1-OQ; Fri, 03 Dec 2004 22:52:16 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CaMHf-0006m1-OQ; Fri, 03 Dec 2004 22:52:15 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CaMHf-0001X4-9B; Fri, 03 Dec 2004 22:52:15 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CaMHP-0004Jg-9q; Fri, 03 Dec 2004 22:51:59 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iB3Mpii17474 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 22:51:44 GMT Received: from cmailm4.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailm4.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.211]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iB3Mpi817470 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 22:51:44 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from user-434.lns6-c7.dsl.pol.co.uk ([84.67.65.178] helo=rpc) by cmailm4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CaMH9-0004ww-Lw for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 03 Dec 2004 22:51:43 +0000 Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 22:51:25 GMT From: Alan Adams To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] list down? Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message you wrote: > seems odd that i havent received anything on this list > for several days. is there a problem? > my mailbox hasnt been over quota, so that's not the answer. > Yours is the first I've seen since 24 November. Alan -- Alan Adams alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Dec 4 13:54:33 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CaScM-0004hK-4C-0004iA."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 4 Dec 2004 13:54:33 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CaScM-0004hK-4C; Sat, 04 Dec 2004 05:38:04 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CaScM-0004hK-4C; Sat, 04 Dec 2004 05:38:02 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CaScL-00032A-Ts; Sat, 04 Dec 2004 05:38:02 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CaSc3-00020S-VU; Sat, 04 Dec 2004 05:37:43 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iB45bQ208845 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 4 Dec 2004 05:37:26 GMT Received: from mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.39]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iB45bPB08841 for ; Sat, 4 Dec 2004 05:37:25 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from dial-62-64-172-27.access.uk.tiscali.com ([62.64.172.27]:1029 helo=tiscali) by mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CaSbk-000H9o-Hg for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 04 Dec 2004 05:37:25 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2004 05:37:18 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: list down? Message-ID: <4d17db83a6dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.39) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , Alan Adams wrote: > In message you wrote: > > seems odd that i havent received anything on this list > > for several days. is there a problem? > > my mailbox hasnt been over quota, so that's not the answer. > > > Yours is the first I've seen since 24 November. > Alan I have two from the 25th as my last. (David Pilling and Jeff Wallis). Dave S -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Dec 4 13:54:35 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Caa8e-00048m-89-00049i."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 4 Dec 2004 13:54:35 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Caa8e-00048m-89; Sat, 04 Dec 2004 13:39:54 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Caa8e-00048m-89; Sat, 04 Dec 2004 13:39:52 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Caa8e-0001Lj-7m; Sat, 04 Dec 2004 13:39:52 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Caa85-0001en-Kn; Sat, 04 Dec 2004 13:39:17 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iB4Dcqd09883 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 4 Dec 2004 13:38:52 GMT Received: from ptb-relay01.plus.net (ptb-relay01.plus.net [212.159.14.212]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iB4Dcpk09879 for ; Sat, 4 Dec 2004 13:38:51 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [80.229.143.2] (helo=radstock) by ptb-relay01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Caa7e-0007xZ-SH for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 04 Dec 2004 13:38:50 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2004 13:36:07 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] New file on alternative site Message-ID: <4d180759c1chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.08) POPstar/2.04-pre2 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi all Just to say I have added a new file to the resources site. It is a set of Ovation Pro documents containing colour swatches of all combinations of CMY from 0/0/0 to 100/100/100 in 5% steps. This is courtesy of JayCee. Note that the archive is close to 800 KB in size. Urls: http://www.chris-johnson.org/ovationpro/index.html http://www.chris-johnson.org.uk/ovationpro/index.html http://www.chrisjohnson.plus.com/ovationpro/index.html Chris... -- Chris Johnson -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Dec 7 16:42:56 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Cahk3-0001al-ER-0001bS."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 16:42:56 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Cahk3-0001al-ER; Sat, 04 Dec 2004 21:47:00 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Cahk3-0001al-ER; Sat, 04 Dec 2004 21:46:59 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Cahk3-0003qk-9B; Sat, 04 Dec 2004 21:46:59 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Cahji-0002z6-Sx; Sat, 04 Dec 2004 21:46:38 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iB4LkDZ23030 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 4 Dec 2004 21:46:13 GMT Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com (imo-m20.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.1]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iB4LkBC23023 for ; Sat, 4 Dec 2004 21:46:12 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from Tomhopley@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 3.8a.1b4c7f35 (3980) for ; Sat, 4 Dec 2004 16:46:06 -0500 (EST) From: Message-ID: <8a.1b4c7f35.2ee38a1e@aol.com> Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 16:46:06 EST Subject: [softwarelist] Spurious printer warning OPW 2.74 (4 Nov 2004) To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_8a.1b4c7f35.2ee38a1e_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 540 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_20,HTML_00_10,HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TAG_BALANCE_HTML, MIME_LONG_LINE_QP,NO_REAL_NAME version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) --part1_8a.1b4c7f35.2ee38a1e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've not seen this problem mentioned by anyone else, but when printing from OPW I always get a spurious crop warning. The actual printout is fine. I get no similar spurious warnings when printing from other applications. This happens even with: all Applets removed Master page having only a central ridiculously small text box, containing only one fullstop on the document page . All printer settings, even with Fit or 10% and Central set. Printers affected - (non Postscript, using USB and Parallel cables) HP laserjet 4P Epson Stylus Photo EX Epson Stylus Photo 1270 Operating System Windows XP Pro Tested on a second WinXP computer with the same printers - same crop warning message appears from OP. 'Area to be printed is bigger than paper size and will be cropped. Continue and print? ' Interestingly there is a question mark next to the cancel X on the window. This can be clicked on and moved, but a second click produces no info. Not a great problem, but it could cry 'Wolf!' once too often. TomH --part1_8a.1b4c7f35.2ee38a1e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've not seen this problem mentione= d by anyone else, but when printing from OPW I always get a spurious crop wa= rning. The actual printout is fine. I get no similar spurious warnings when=20= printing from other applications.
This happens even with:

all Applets removed
Master page having only a central ridiculously small text box,  contain= ing only one fullstop on the document page .
All printer settings, even with Fit or 10% and Central set.

Printers affected - (non Postscript, using USB and Parallel cables)
HP laserjet 4P
Epson Stylus Photo EX
Epson Stylus Photo 1270

Operating System Windows XP Pro
Tested on a second WinXP computer with the same printers - same crop warning= message appears from OP.

'Area to be printed is bigger than paper size and will be cropped. Continue=20= and print? <No> <Yes>'

Interestingly there is a question mark next to the cancel X on the window. This can be clicked on and moved, but a second click produces no info.

Not a great problem, but it could cry 'Wolf!' once too often.
TomH
--part1_8a.1b4c7f35.2ee38a1e_boundary-- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Dec 7 16:43:04 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CauIZ-0001CH-O0-0001D1."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 16:43:04 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CauIZ-0001CH-O0; Sun, 05 Dec 2004 11:11:28 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CauIZ-0001CH-O0; Sun, 05 Dec 2004 11:11:27 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CauIZ-0002ni-8t; Sun, 05 Dec 2004 11:11:27 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CauIE-0001EX-UW; Sun, 05 Dec 2004 11:11:06 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iB5B9qA09451 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 5 Dec 2004 11:09:52 GMT Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iB5B9p609446 for ; Sun, 5 Dec 2004 11:09:51 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from nthomas2.demon.co.uk ([80.177.215.176] helo=THOMAS) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CauH1-000F9o-Jf for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 05 Dec 2004 11:09:51 +0000 Message-ID: <000701c4daba$f5e16c60$0200a8c0@THOMAS> From: "Norman Thomas" To: Subject: [softwarelist] Oversize printing Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 11:09:59 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10 version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi Just to say that I also get the warning that the document is larger than the print area, but that the actual printing is OK. Norman Thomas St Albans -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Dec 7 16:43:06 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Caucu-00043o-Mp-00044I."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 16:43:06 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Caucu-00043o-Mp; Sun, 05 Dec 2004 11:32:28 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Caucu-00043o-Mp; Sun, 05 Dec 2004 11:32:28 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Cauct-00002B-SL; Sun, 05 Dec 2004 11:32:27 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CaucW-0001MX-Pl; Sun, 05 Dec 2004 11:32:04 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iB5BVIh12824 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 5 Dec 2004 11:31:18 GMT Received: from ranger.systems.pipex.net (ranger.systems.pipex.net [62.241.162.32]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iB5BVHu12821 for ; Sun, 5 Dec 2004 11:31:17 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from MARSDEN9.btinternet.com (81-86-166-106.dsl.pipex.com [81.86.166.106]) by ranger.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DA05E0000C2 for ; Sun, 5 Dec 2004 11:31:17 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <6.0.3.0.2.20041205112403.01ddfad8@217.12.12.124> X-Sender: phillip.marsden@217.12.12.124 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.3.0 Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2004 11:29:48 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Phillip Marsden Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Oversize printing In-Reply-To: <000701c4daba$f5e16c60$0200a8c0@THOMAS> References: <000701c4daba$f5e16c60$0200a8c0@THOMAS> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) At 11:09 05/12/2004, Norman Thomas wrote: >Hi > >Just to say that I also get the warning that the document is larger than >the print area, but that the actual printing is OK. This was covered in Archive-on-line a little while ago. Paul Beverley gave the following solution after various people gave advice. In trying to solve this problem, various people suggested altering the margins in the paper definition, but the problem remained. "Well, maybe if I increased the paper size a bit?", I thought. I noticed the paper size was 209.9 x 297 so I changed it to 210 x 297 and, lo and behold, the error disappeared! That explains why, regardless of what you say in response to the error - cancel or OK - the printout *seems* exactly the same. You aren't going to be able to see the difference between cropping off 0.1 mm, or scaling down the size by 0.1mm in 209.9mm! Someone commented that this explained why, when they scaled the document to 99%, the problem disappeared. Why (or by what) the paper size had been altered was never discovered/explained. -- Regards, Phillip Marsden. phillip.marsden@btinternet.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Dec 7 16:43:09 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Cb1oc-0005xF-9y-0005xk."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 16:43:09 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Cb1oc-0005xF-9y; Sun, 05 Dec 2004 19:13:02 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Cb1oc-0005xF-9y; Sun, 05 Dec 2004 19:13:02 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Cb1ob-0003Nn-Rg; Sun, 05 Dec 2004 19:13:01 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Cb1np-0003h4-C0; Sun, 05 Dec 2004 19:12:13 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iB5JASS31166 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 5 Dec 2004 19:10:28 GMT Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iB5JAR831162 for ; Sun, 5 Dec 2004 19:10:27 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from nthomas2.demon.co.uk ([80.177.215.176] helo=ROSEE) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Cb1m6-000FP6-FE for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 05 Dec 2004 19:10:26 +0000 Message-ID: <000601c4dafe$1573de80$0300a8c0@ROSEE> From: "Norman Thomas" To: References: <000701c4daba$f5e16c60$0200a8c0@THOMAS> <6.0.3.0.2.20041205112403.01ddfad8@217.12.12.124> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Oversize printing Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 19:10:28 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Oversize printing > At 11:09 05/12/2004, Norman Thomas wrote: >>Hi >> >>Just to say that I also get the warning that the document is larger than >>the print area, but that the actual printing is OK. Philip Marsden kindly responded: > This was covered in Archive-on-line a little while ago. Paul Beverley gave > the following solution after various people gave advice. > snip > I noticed the paper size was 209.9 x 297 so I changed it to > 210 x 297 and, lo and behold, the error disappeared! > > That explains why, regardless of what you say in response to the > error - cancel or OK - the printout *seems* exactly the same. You > aren't going to be able to see the difference between cropping > off 0.1 mm, or scaling down the size by 0.1mm in 209.9mm! snip > Regards, Phillip Marsden Thanks, but interestingly the default master page is shown as A4 and the dimensions as 210x297 mm and the margins are certainly adequate. Regards Norman Thomas - > To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message > > Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net > -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Dec 7 16:43:13 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Cb4K2-0007IB-9t-0007Im."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 16:43:13 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Cb4K2-0007IB-9t; Sun, 05 Dec 2004 21:53:38 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Cb4K2-0007IB-9t; Sun, 05 Dec 2004 21:53:38 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Cb4K1-0006Fn-Qa; Sun, 05 Dec 2004 21:53:37 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Cb4Jh-0008QQ-GY; Sun, 05 Dec 2004 21:53:17 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iB5Lq1017342 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 5 Dec 2004 21:52:01 GMT Received: from mta10-winn.mailhost.ntl.com (mailhost.ntl.com [212.250.162.8]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iB5Lq1717339 for ; Sun, 5 Dec 2004 21:52:01 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from aamta08-winn.mailhost.ntl.com ([212.250.162.8]) by mta10-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20041205215156.GUHB28137.mta10-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@aamta08-winn.mailhost.ntl.com> for ; Sun, 5 Dec 2004 21:51:56 +0000 Received: from risco.home ([81.110.160.151]) by aamta08-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with SMTP id <20041205215156.BDJP2279.aamta08-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@risco.home> for ; Sun, 5 Dec 2004 21:51:56 +0000 Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 21:38:36 +0000 (GMT) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Oversize printing To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <000601c4dafe$1573de80$0300a8c0@ROSEE> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In on Sun 05 Dec, Norman Thomas wrote: > > Oversize printing > > > > At 11:09 05/12/2004, Norman Thomas wrote: > >>Hi > >> > >>Just to say that I also get the warning that the document is larger than > >>the print area, but that the actual printing is OK. > > Philip Marsden kindly responded: > > > This was covered in Archive-on-line a little while ago. Paul Beverley > > gave the following solution after various people gave advice. > > > snip > > > I noticed the paper size was 209.9 x 297 so I changed it to > > 210 x 297 and, lo and behold, the error disappeared! > > > > That explains why, regardless of what you say in response to the > > error - cancel or OK - the printout *seems* exactly the same. You > > aren't going to be able to see the difference between cropping > > off 0.1 mm, or scaling down the size by 0.1mm in 209.9mm! > > snip > > > Regards, Phillip Marsden > > Thanks, but interestingly the default master page is shown as A4 and the > dimensions as 210x297 mm and the margins are certainly adequate. > > Regards The problem Paul reported was with the paper size defined in !Printers which was slightly smaller than the document paper size. Anthony -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Dec 7 16:43:41 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CbEpA-0007C4-Sj-0007Cv."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 16:43:41 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CbEpA-0007C4-Sj; Mon, 06 Dec 2004 09:06:30 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CbEpA-0007C4-Sj; Mon, 06 Dec 2004 09:06:28 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CbEpA-0003HF-NS; Mon, 06 Dec 2004 09:06:28 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CbEou-0000WH-3Z; Mon, 06 Dec 2004 09:06:12 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iB695kZ10440 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 09:05:46 GMT Received: from mta09-winn.mailhost.ntl.com (mailhost.ntl.com [212.250.162.8]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iB695jK10437 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 09:05:45 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from aamta07-winn.mailhost.ntl.com ([212.250.162.8]) by mta09-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20041206090541.IUUX3596.mta09-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@aamta07-winn.mailhost.ntl.com> for ; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 09:05:41 +0000 Received: from JeffWallis ([82.5.7.191]) by aamta07-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20041206090541.DFCR3407.aamta07-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@JeffWallis> for ; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 09:05:41 +0000 From: "Jeff Wallis" To: Subject: RE: [softwarelist] Oversize printing Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 09:05:30 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Thread-Index: AcTa/pY3KXGZO/DRQWe2Yo3yYPk1/gAcxYeQ In-Reply-To: <000601c4dafe$1573de80$0300a8c0@ROSEE> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Message-Id: <20041206090541.DFCR3407.aamta07-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@JeffWallis> Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,IN_REP_TO, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) -----Original Message----- From: [mailto:owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net] On Behalf Of Norman Thomas Sent: 05 December 2004 19:10 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Oversize printing Oversize printing > At 11:09 05/12/2004, Norman Thomas wrote: >>Hi >> >>Just to say that I also get the warning that the document is larger >>than the print area, but that the actual printing is OK. Philip Marsden kindly responded: > This was covered in Archive-on-line a little while ago. Paul Beverley > gave the following solution after various people gave advice. > snip > I noticed the paper size was 209.9 x 297 so I changed it to 210 x 297 > and, lo and behold, the error disappeared! > > That explains why, regardless of what you say in response to the error > - cancel or OK - the printout *seems* exactly the same. You aren't > going to be able to see the difference between cropping off 0.1 mm, or > scaling down the size by 0.1mm in 209.9mm! snip > Regards, Phillip Marsden Thanks, but interestingly the default master page is shown as A4 and the dimensions as 210x297 mm and the margins are certainly adequate. Regards Norman Thomas I find the error message occurs even when printing an A5 document on to an A4 paper size. I use Canon Laser 660, Epson Stylus 86 and Adobe pdfwriter. Jeff Wallis -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Dec 7 16:43:46 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CbKSl-0007Uu-RO-0007Vu."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 16:43:46 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CbKSl-0007Uu-RO; Mon, 06 Dec 2004 15:07:44 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CbKSl-0007Uu-RO; Mon, 06 Dec 2004 15:07:43 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CbKSl-0005A3-Al; Mon, 06 Dec 2004 15:07:43 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CbKSK-0005p1-0o; Mon, 06 Dec 2004 15:07:16 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iB6F6sZ20759 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 15:06:54 GMT Received: from mail-ps.sunrise.ch (mta-ps-be-06.sunrise.ch [194.158.229.42]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iB6F6rA20747 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 15:06:53 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from janvredenburchsmile.ch (194.230.224.97) by mail-ps.sunrise.ch (7.0.036) id 418AB7EB00239E93 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 16:06:47 +0100 Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 16:03:51 +0000 (GMT) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: RE: [softwarelist] Oversize printing To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <20041206090541.DFCR3407.aamta07-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@JeffWallis> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: CIC member; Secretariaat St. Van Vredenburch X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Mon 06 Dec, Jeff Wallis wrote: snip > Thanks, but interestingly the default master page is shown as A4 and the > dimensions as 210x297 mm and the margins are certainly adequate. With "Master page" I presume you refer to the OvationPro master page. This is the wrong place to look. Load Printers and on the icon bar Menu > Edit paper sizes. Then at the top right of the window that opens you can select a menu of paper sizes. Do that and click on "A4 paper size". In the 'Width' icon you will then see mentioned 209.9. (Keep this window open for what follows.) I informed Acorn about this in writing in November 1994. But it has never changed. > I find the error message occurs even when printing an A5 document on to an > A4 paper size. I use Canon Laser 660, Epson Stylus 86 and Adobe pdfwriter. Logic. As explained above. The best solution is to create a new paper size for !Printers, say 'A4 paper full'. You do this by first changing the name in the top writable icon, then for paper sizes enter 210.0 and 297.0. Then set all other icons to zero. Now check what margins your printer defaults to. Two ways to do this: 1. Draw a frame the full size of the document window. Modify the Fill colour to black with 20% tint (select the frame then click F7. Print on white paper. Then measure what has been left blank and enter these measures for the graphic margins. 2. Use the document 'Rulers' to be found on the OvPro CD (....Others.Hoff.Rulers) After printing you can read off the measures for the margins. !Printers knows some default paper sizes which you cannot change or delete. But you can add newly named Paper size definitions. JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch, CH - 6006 Luzern . -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Dec 7 16:43:47 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CbKmu-0007im-3V-0007k1."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 16:43:47 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CbKmu-0007im-3V; Mon, 06 Dec 2004 15:28:33 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CbKmu-0007im-3V; Mon, 06 Dec 2004 15:28:32 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CbKmt-0002yA-Rp; Mon, 06 Dec 2004 15:28:32 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CbKma-0006zv-QR; Mon, 06 Dec 2004 15:28:12 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iB6FS3X26866 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 15:28:03 GMT Received: from mta09-winn.mailhost.ntl.com (mailhost.ntl.com [212.250.162.8]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iB6FS2s26859 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 15:28:02 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from aamta02-winn.mailhost.ntl.com ([212.250.162.8]) by mta09-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20041206152758.KSL3596.mta09-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@aamta02-winn.mailhost.ntl.com> for ; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 15:27:58 +0000 Received: from JeffWallis ([82.5.7.191]) by aamta02-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20041206152757.FPPD20377.aamta02-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@JeffWallis> for ; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 15:27:57 +0000 From: "Jeff Wallis" To: Subject: RE: [softwarelist] Oversize printing Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 15:27:47 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Thread-Index: AcTbpVLkPcE8dnCnSXKoshHEEj6GSQAAocpw In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Message-Id: <20041206152757.FPPD20377.aamta02-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@JeffWallis> Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK, IN_REP_TO,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) -----Original Message----- From: [mailto:owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net] On Behalf Of Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Sent: 06 December 2004 16:04 To: OVATIONP-L Subject: RE: [softwarelist] Oversize printing On Mon 06 Dec, Jeff Wallis wrote: snip > Thanks, but interestingly the default master page is shown as A4 and > the dimensions as 210x297 mm and the margins are certainly adequate. With "Master page" I presume you refer to the OvationPro master page. This is the wrong place to look. Load Printers and on the icon bar Menu > Edit paper sizes. Then at the top right of the window that opens you can select a menu of paper sizes. Do that and click on "A4 paper size". In the 'Width' icon you will then see mentioned 209.9. (Keep this window open for what follows.) I informed Acorn about this in writing in November 1994. But it has never changed. > I find the error message occurs even when printing an A5 document on > to an > A4 paper size. I use Canon Laser 660, Epson Stylus 86 and Adobe pdfwriter. Logic. As explained above. The best solution is to create a new paper size for !Printers, say 'A4 paper full'. You do this by first changing the name in the top writable icon, then for paper sizes enter 210.0 and 297.0. Then set all other icons to zero. Now check what margins your printer defaults to. Two ways to do this: 1. Draw a frame the full size of the document window. Modify the Fill colour to black with 20% tint (select the frame then click F7. Print on white paper. Then measure what has been left blank and enter these measures for the graphic margins. 2. Use the document 'Rulers' to be found on the OvPro CD (....Others.Hoff.Rulers) After printing you can read off the measures for the margins. !Printers knows some default paper sizes which you cannot change or delete. But you can add newly named Paper size definitions. JohnvV I, and I think the other contributors to this thread, are referring to the Windows version of OP. I don't have the problem with the RiscOs version. Jeff Wallis -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Dec 7 18:02:53 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CbjbJ-0002OA-SY-0002PU."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 18:02:53 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CbjbJ-0002OA-SY; Tue, 07 Dec 2004 17:58:15 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CbjbJ-0002OA-SY; Tue, 07 Dec 2004 17:58:13 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CbjbJ-0006b2-CY; Tue, 07 Dec 2004 17:58:13 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Cbjax-000198-76; Tue, 07 Dec 2004 17:57:51 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iB7HuqR23950 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 17:56:52 GMT Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iB7HumP23936 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 17:56:48 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CbjZX-00058N-B6 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 07 Dec 2004 17:56:23 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 17:55:22 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Spurious printer warning OPW 2.74 (4 Nov 2004) References: <8a.1b4c7f35.2ee38a1e@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8a.1b4c7f35.2ee38a1e@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >I've not seen this problem mentioned by anyone else, but when printing from >OPW I always get a spurious crop warning. The actual printout is fine. I get no >similar spurious warnings when printing from other applications. The warning is triggered by the page size of what you are printing (as opposed to what is actually on the page) relative to the page size of the printer. Others have pointed out how it is easy to change the page size of RISC OS printer drivers. AFAIK It is not so easy on Windows. One tip is that Windows XP comes with a printer driver called MS Publisher Image Setter which is easy to configure to different page sizes - useful if you're printing PostScript to file, no help if you don't have a PostScript printer. Plan B is that you can turn off this warning from Ovation Pro Print Choices (Misc menu). The warning comes into its own when you've got printers marks selected etc. I suspect I should make the warning a little less strict, 209.9mm is good enough for a 210mm page. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Dec 8 02:44:11 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Cbrn1-0002XW-Do-0002a6."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 02:44:11 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Cbrn1-0002XW-Do; Wed, 08 Dec 2004 02:42:52 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Cbrn1-0002XW-Do; Wed, 08 Dec 2004 02:42:51 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Cbrn1-0002bW-2S; Wed, 08 Dec 2004 02:42:51 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Cbrmq-0004G3-8g; Wed, 08 Dec 2004 02:42:40 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iB82gEj13530 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 02:42:14 GMT Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iB82gDQ13527 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 02:42:14 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CbrmP-0003hL-7w for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 08 Dec 2004 02:42:13 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 02:41:07 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Spurious printer warning OPW 2.74 (4 Nov 2004) References: <8a.1b4c7f35.2ee38a1e@aol.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >I suspect I should make the warning a little less strict, 209.9mm is >good enough for a 210mm page. Having now looked at the source code there is already a tolerance of 1mm built in, I imagine the result of user experiences on RISC OS. This is a bit like people who wonder why their "A4" scanners can't scan A4. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Dec 8 13:59:39 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CbyCP-0004jz-Aq-0004kn."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 13:59:39 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CbyCP-0004jz-Aq; Wed, 08 Dec 2004 09:33:30 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CbyCP-0004jz-Aq; Wed, 08 Dec 2004 09:33:29 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CbyCP-0007A2-4R; Wed, 08 Dec 2004 09:33:29 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CbyBw-0008Jc-4O; Wed, 08 Dec 2004 09:33:00 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iB89WKh08355 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 09:32:20 GMT Received: from mailhost.netweaver.net (mailhost.netweaver.net [213.160.118.140]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with SMTP id iB89WJu08349 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 09:32:19 GMT Delivered-To: Received: (qmail 31581 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2004 08:43:58 -0000 Received: from cpc6-hem12-4-0-cust123.lutn.cable.ntl.com (HELO Iyonix.sandford.ntlworld.com) (john@thesandfords.me.uk@213.107.176.123) by 0 with SMTP; 8 Dec 2004 08:43:58 -0000 Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 09:32:09 GMT From: To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro for Windows - 4th November Message-ID: <025c001a4d.jms@sandford.ntlworld.com> References: <4d09b0f80bjulia.c@ntlworld.com> <4d09cd22f8julia.c@ntlworld.com> <007401c4c539$7b91ffb0$7af8e5d4@mypc> In-Reply-To: <007401c4c539$7b91ffb0$7af8e5d4@mypc> X-Organization: None User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.08) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <007401c4c539$7b91ffb0$7af8e5d4@mypc> "David Pilling" wrote: > > > > Your problem and anyone else on ntlworld is that they (ntl) use a > > > transparent proxy which will cache the op download so this could still > > > have a copy of the older version and it is difficult to change, the > > > I think that version had been uploaded since the early hours of 4th. Nov. So > the proxying must last longer than 24 hours. > > I'm reluctant to start changing the name each time, but if this is a long > term problem, I'll have to do that. > > I'd imagine that such proxying will end in tears, you can't change the name > of every web page when they're updated. > > > David Pilling Further to this I have found out that if you add a ? at the end of the url this seems to update the Proxy so another time ntl users should try this. Works on my own site John -- John Sandford West Herts UK Hemel Hempstead Risc OS User Group email info@hhrug.org -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Dec 8 18:29:45 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Cc6Sw-0005F4-En-0005G2."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 18:29:45 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Cc6Sw-0005F4-En; Wed, 08 Dec 2004 18:23:07 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Cc6Sw-0005F4-En; Wed, 08 Dec 2004 18:23:06 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Cc6Sw-0007F9-Bf; Wed, 08 Dec 2004 18:23:06 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Cc6SM-0002K4-Pz; Wed, 08 Dec 2004 18:22:30 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iB8IM6s11433 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 18:22:06 GMT Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iB8IM6I11425 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 18:22:06 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Cc6Rx-0006jj-7b for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 08 Dec 2004 18:22:05 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 18:20:46 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Spurious printer warning OPW 2.74 (4 Nov 2004) References: <8a.1b4c7f35.2ee38a1e@aol.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On this thread, complete collapse of stout party. The crop check code is bugged. It is not reading the paper size from the printer, so anything you do to the printer driver will make no difference. Anyway I've fixed it. All this is of course specific to the Windows version of Ovation Pro, I think a lot of the above discussion must have been about the RISC OS version. It is a good example of the sort of thing I'm interested in at the moment - bugs in the Windows version of Ovation Pro. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Dec 8 18:39:50 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Cc6fL-0005Uz-Fr-0005Vc."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 18:39:50 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Cc6fL-0005Uz-Fr; Wed, 08 Dec 2004 18:35:56 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Cc6fL-0005Uz-Fr; Wed, 08 Dec 2004 18:35:55 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Cc6fL-0001F5-M0; Wed, 08 Dec 2004 18:35:55 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Cc6f5-0005mE-5E; Wed, 08 Dec 2004 18:35:39 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iB8IZVR14226 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 18:35:31 GMT Received: from mail-ps.sunrise.ch (mta-ps-be-05.sunrise.ch [194.158.229.26]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iB8IZV514222 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 18:35:31 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from janvredenburchsmile.ch (194.230.8.55) by mail-ps.sunrise.ch (7.0.036) id 418ABA05003E2F6F for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 19:35:31 +0100 Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 19:23:47 +0000 (GMT) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: OPw: printing was: RE: [softwarelist] Oversize printing To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <20041206152757.FPPD20377.aamta02-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@JeffWallis> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: CIC member; Secretariaat St. Van Vredenburch X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Mon 06 Dec, Jeff Wallis wrote: [snip most] > > I, and I think the other contributors to this thread, are referring to the > Windows version of OP. I don't have the problem with the RiscOs version. > > Jeff Wallis Sorry, I missed this. I now tried something similar -on Windoze- with a HP deskjet 450 printer. This printer knows some paper sizes but I do not know the *exact* details. What is clear however is that when printing to A4, printing is automatically downsized to 99.9%. Resulting in a printable area just under 209.9mm (i.e. 209,79) With other documents when selecting "Fit" the print is downscaled to 92%. As far as I understand now, the printable area is downsized based on the whole document area (i.e. main frame area + all borders) to fit in the Windoze print-window. Which also means that if the bottom non printable area is (far) more than some mm.'s, the main area is downsized based on the vertical possible printable area. And the latter is 297mm's, based on A4 paper. Which explains the downsizing to 92% (in some cases). In these cases I simply overrule it and print at 100%. Albeit being sure that my document at 100% does print as I want it. And knowing that the printer cannot print the bottom last 12 mm's (and 4 mm's at the top of the page). As I see it at present, Windoze seems to believe to know better <%-((- Before every print job check *all* the printer settings. And when starting with a new docunent, make a test-print-run with minimum ink usage set (black at min. and no colour). And it might be useful to check via web-sites for newer printer drivers. Do not ask me how as at present I have not managed to connect my Windoze machine to the Internet (technical problem of the phone company). A final observation: Some time ago someone suggested to identify Windoze versions on the mailing list with a special ID at the beginning of the subject. Seems this was not too bad an idea. Allow me to suggest "OPw:" (mind the lower case 'w'. Unless, of course, David Pilling has better ideas >8-)) (I hope) JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch, CH - 6006 Luzern . -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Dec 10 02:26:32 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CcaSz-0003i7-EI-0003ie."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 02:26:32 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CcaSz-0003i7-EI; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 02:25:10 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CcaSz-0003i7-EI; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 02:25:09 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CcaSz-0005hH-66; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 02:25:09 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CcaSH-0000Fj-Rb; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 02:24:25 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iBA2Nkh22155 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 02:23:46 GMT Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iBA2NkD22152 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 02:23:46 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CcaR2-000Epw-Hh for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 02:23:08 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 02:22:42 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro for Windows 9th December MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, I've just uploaded the latest version of OP for Windows. http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/opw.html I'd like to own up to some sins. The chief one is that I got two characters in the wrong positions. This is probably not a great disaster because all that's changed are a couple of characters in the range 128..160 for *symbol fonts only*. But if you have any text that falls into that category the symbols will change. To compensate for this mistake there is an update to the DPDings font. In other words I also got the characters in the wrong position in this font too. Again I doubt if anyone actually ever uses the relevant symbols. What you should ideally do is use the Windows control panel to delete DPDings, then run the font installer, DPDings will be unticked, tick it (and don't change any of the other fonts), proceed with the installation and the new version will be installed. The font installer is available from. http://www.davidpilling.net/fonts.html If you always install the latest version of OPW without uninstalling the previous one (which is not a bad way to do things), you will now have a couple of applets which are of doubtful value - Hide Doc and Index. These should be deleted from the applet manager. I keep fixing bugs. A few that spring to mind from the last week; *double click run of documents on Windows 98 now works *macro record now works *generate proxies of Draw files now works *crop check now correct There is one new feature, you can now reference graphics that load via filters e.g. TIFF's. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Dec 10 14:08:39 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CcjHZ-00038b-LI-0003AA."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 14:08:39 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CcjHZ-00038b-LI; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 11:49:59 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CcjHZ-00038b-LI; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 11:49:57 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CcjHZ-00006i-Bb; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 11:49:57 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CcjHI-0003tm-9C; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 11:49:40 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iBABmrs30725 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 11:48:53 GMT Received: from smtpq1.home.nl (smtpq1.home.nl [213.51.128.196]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iBABmqm30720 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 11:48:52 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [213.51.128.135] (port=48943 helo=smtp4.home.nl) by smtpq1.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CcjGW-0003lz-2W for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 12:48:52 +0100 Received: from cp418204-a.dbsch1.nb.home.nl ([84.27.69.179]:55092 helo=padua) by smtp4.home.nl with smtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CcjGV-0004aC-4n for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 12:48:51 +0100 Message-ID: <000701c4dea5$e31857d0$6502a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: References: Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro for Windows 9th December Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 11:49:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-AtHome-MailScanner-Information: Neem contact op met support@home.nl voor meer informatie X-AtHome-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Friday, December 10, 2004 3:22 AM , David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > > I've just uploaded the latest version of OP for Windows. > > http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/opw.html > Thanks. > What you should ideally do is use the Windows control panel to delete > DPDings, then run the font installer, DPDings will be unticked, tick > it (and don't change any of the other fonts), proceed with the > installation and the new version will be installed. This didn't work for me. I went to Control Panel-->Fonts I selected DPDings and File-->Delete. DPDings disappeared from the list. I closed Fonts. I used the new Fontinstaller (09 Dec 2004) It opened with DPDings unticked, the other ticked. I ticked DPDings. I got error, that it was installed, go to Fonts, uninstall first ... That's what I did already. I closed Fontinstaller. I needed to restart to get DPDings completely removed from what Windows somewhere still had about DPDings after removing from Control panel-->Fonts. After a restart I could use FontInstall-->tick DPDings and got it installed. DPDings version 4.5 27 Nov 2004 - with the date in Fonts 12/2/2004 for the ttf file. > The font installer is available from. > > http://www.davidpilling.net/fonts.html > > If you always install the latest version of OPW without uninstalling > the previous one (which is not a bad way to do things), you will now > have a couple of applets which are of doubtful value - Hide Doc and > Index. > These should be deleted from the applet manager. Before updating my existing copy, I delete Hide Doc 1.02 and Index 1.01 with Applet Manager. I closed and opened OPW to check. They weren't listed in Applet manager anymore. I installed the new version 09 December over the previous version. Looking in Applet Manager, I now have Hide Doc -also with the version number 1.02 and NO Index. When I look in the folder 'Applets' .... no Index. When I look in the folder 'Hide Doc' in the old (16 Nov) and new version (09 Dec) the content is the same, file sizes and dates inclusive ... > I keep fixing bugs. A few that spring to mind from the last week; > > *double click run of documents on Windows 98 now works > *macro record now works > *generate proxies of Draw files now works > *crop check now correct > > There is one new feature, you can now reference graphics that load via > filters e.g. TIFF's. Thanks for all the work. It is appreciated. Tonnie -- Mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Dec 10 14:38:32 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CcllA-0007G2-KY-0007H0."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 14:38:32 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CcllA-0007G2-KY; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 14:28:41 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CcllA-0007G2-KY; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 14:28:40 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CcllA-0004Sy-62; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 14:28:40 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Cclku-0005Xj-Pj; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 14:28:24 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iBAES6U14806 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 14:28:06 GMT Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iBAES5i14800 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 14:28:05 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Cclka-000Gk4-2z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 14:28:05 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 14:26:39 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro for Windows 9th December References: <000701c4dea5$e31857d0$6502a8c0@padua> In-Reply-To: <000701c4dea5$e31857d0$6502a8c0@padua> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >I needed to restart to get DPDings completely removed from what Windows >somewhere still had about DPDings after removing from Control panel-->Fonts. I have to admit things don't run smoothly here, sometimes Windows seems to lock the font file - probably if it is in use. >When I look in the folder 'Hide Doc' in the old (16 Nov) and new version (09 >Dec) the content is the same, file sizes and dates inclusive ... Argh! Zombie applet, they kill it and yet it keeps on running. Actually this is a bit baffling, when I first read your comment I assumed it had remained somewhere down the build chain on my machine, but I can't see it. Another new feature is that you can now load documents with file names of the form; mydoc,b27 that may help with objects transferred from RISC OS. However the snag is that you can only load from the File->Open menu and they won't display the correct icons. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Dec 10 14:58:33 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ccm5N-0002Sa-9E-0002T4."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 14:58:33 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ccm5N-0002Sa-9E; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 14:49:34 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ccm5N-0002Sa-9E; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 14:49:33 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ccm5N-0001j0-Ko; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 14:49:33 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Ccm5B-0006Wn-Iy; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 14:49:21 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iBAEmrV20702 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 14:48:53 GMT Received: from smtpq3.home.nl (smtpq3.home.nl [213.51.128.198]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iBAEmqD20698 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 14:48:52 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [213.51.128.133] (port=55282 helo=smtp2.home.nl) by smtpq3.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Ccm4i-00030z-6B for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 15:48:52 +0100 Received: from cp418204-a.dbsch1.nb.home.nl ([84.27.69.179]:55311 helo=padua) by smtp2.home.nl with smtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Ccm4h-0002LN-1A for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 15:48:51 +0100 Message-ID: <001a01c4debf$0859a8f0$6502a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: References: <000701c4dea5$e31857d0$6502a8c0@padua> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro for Windows 9th December Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 14:49:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-AtHome-MailScanner-Information: Neem contact op met support@home.nl voor meer informatie X-AtHome-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Friday, December 10, 2004 3:26 PM , David Pilling wrote: .... > Tonnie wrote: >> When I look in the folder 'Hide Doc' in the old (16 Nov) and new >> version (09 Dec) the content is the same, file sizes and dates >> inclusive ... > > Argh! Zombie applet, they kill it and yet it keeps on running. > > Actually this is a bit baffling, when I first read your comment I > assumed it had remained somewhere down the build chain on my machine, > but I can't see it. > OK. I made a copy of the installed 16th November version with the name 'Copy of Ovation Pro' before I applied the 9th December version on the valid 16th November version from which I had removed HideDoc and Index. So, after updating to the 9th December version I could compare the content of both versions - 16 November and 9 December. In the 9th December version I have the same Hide Doc applet as in the 16th November version. In the 9th December version I have No Index applet. Not in Applet manager, not in the Folder Applets. > > Another new feature is that you can now load documents with file names > of the form; > > mydoc,b27 > > that may help with objects transferred from RISC OS. However the snag > is that you can only load from the File->Open menu and they won't > display > the correct icons. And ... what you also haven't mentioned yet :-) Misc-->Insert-->Font catalogue-->All faces gives correct output. That is what actually is present. Tonnie -- Mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Dec 10 18:17:06 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CcpGW-0003c8-So-0003cs."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 18:17:06 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CcpGW-0003c8-So; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 18:13:17 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CcpGW-0003c8-So; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 18:13:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CcpGW-0006WD-Ns; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 18:13:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CcpGG-0004Pj-NI; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 18:13:00 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iBAICcE16799 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 18:12:38 GMT Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iBAICbo16794 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 18:12:37 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CcpFt-000EoC-JZ for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 18:12:37 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 18:11:36 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro for Windows 9th December References: <000701c4dea5$e31857d0$6502a8c0@padua> <001a01c4debf$0859a8f0$6502a8c0@padua> In-Reply-To: <001a01c4debf$0859a8f0$6502a8c0@padua> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >In the 9th December version I have the same Hide Doc applet as in the 16th >November version. I tried a new install, i.e. I ran what is on the web site, and I didn't get the hide doc applet on disc or in the applet manager. I reinstated the fancy date applet with this version. Not too sure about that, I may have dropped it in the first place because of over lap with some of the other date applets. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Dec 10 21:57:17 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CcskH-000328-Nv-00032q."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 21:57:17 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CcskH-000328-Nv; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 21:56:14 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CcskH-000328-Nv; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 21:56:13 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CcskH-0004cC-71; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 21:56:13 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Ccsjr-0004Hm-Np; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 21:55:47 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iBALtEX22497 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 21:55:14 GMT Received: from smtpq2.home.nl (smtpq2.home.nl [213.51.128.197]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iBALtDo22492 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 21:55:13 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [213.51.128.132] (port=45842 helo=smtp1.home.nl) by smtpq2.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CcsjJ-0004Ni-DO for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 22:55:13 +0100 Received: from cp418204-a.dbsch1.nb.home.nl ([84.27.69.179]:55313 helo=padua) by smtp1.home.nl with smtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CcsjI-0002Ql-2X for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 22:55:12 +0100 Message-ID: <000f01c4defa$97da1a60$6502a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: References: <000701c4dea5$e31857d0$6502a8c0@padua> <001a01c4debf$0859a8f0$6502a8c0@padua> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro for Windows 9th December Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 21:55:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-AtHome-MailScanner-Information: Neem contact op met support@home.nl voor meer informatie X-AtHome-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,EXCUSE_3,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Friday, December 10, 2004 7:11 PM , David Pilling wrote: >> In the 9th December version I have the same Hide Doc applet as in >> the 16th November version. > > I tried a new install, i.e. I ran what is on the web site, and I > didn't get the hide doc applet on disc or in the applet manager. Do I understand correctly; the 9th December version should not have an 'Index' applet and also not a 'Hide Doc' applet at all. No replacement for these two, which have to be removed from the 16th November version > I reinstated the fancy date applet with this version. Not too sure > about that, I may have dropped it in the first place because of over > lap with some of the other date applets. Yes, the Fancy date applet is present. Tonnie -- Mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Dec 10 22:27:19 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Cct9U-0000eS-4N-0000fA."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 22:27:19 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Cct9U-0000eS-4N; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 22:22:17 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Cct9U-0000eS-4N; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 22:22:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Cct9U-0002Wk-4y; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 22:22:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Cct95-0006lm-Ee; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 22:21:51 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iBAMLgc27002 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 22:21:42 GMT Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iBAMLgA26999 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 22:21:42 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Cct8g-000PdR-4T for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 22:21:26 +0000 Message-ID: <7NEsPZCXEiuBFwpA@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 22:20:07 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro for Windows 9th December References: <000701c4dea5$e31857d0$6502a8c0@padua> <001a01c4debf$0859a8f0$6502a8c0@padua> <000f01c4defa$97da1a60$6502a8c0@padua> In-Reply-To: <000f01c4defa$97da1a60$6502a8c0@padua> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EXCUSE_3,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES, SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Do I understand correctly; >the 9th December version should not have an 'Index' applet and also not a >'Hide Doc' applet at all. Correct. >No replacement for these two, which have to be removed from the 16th >November version That's right. Hide Doc is not much use on Windows, and can lead to the program running with no windows open (no icon bar menu to save you). Index is Peter Bond's applet which I set off to convert and then decided not to. ISTR part of the Index applet was fatally bugged for a few years and no one noticed so probably not very popular. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Dec 10 22:47:20 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CctQV-0005mK-AL-0005ms."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 22:47:20 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CctQV-0005mK-AL; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 22:39:52 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CctQV-0005mK-AL; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 22:39:51 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CctQU-0006Qv-W2; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 22:39:51 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CctQG-0001Px-NN; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 22:39:36 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iBAMdTl29779 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 22:39:29 GMT Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iBAMdTd29775 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 22:39:29 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from nthompsonbrent.demon.co.uk ([80.176.150.206] helo=noelpc) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CctQ8-00074b-C6 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 22:39:28 +0000 Message-ID: <000901c4df09$1d0568d0$0201a8c0@noelpc> From: "Noel Thompson" To: References: <000701c4dea5$e31857d0$6502a8c0@padua> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro for Windows 9th December Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 22:39:20 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Pilling" To: Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 2:26 PM Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro for Windows 9th December > >I needed to restart to get DPDings completely removed from what Windows >>somewhere still had about DPDings after removing from Control >>panel-->Fonts. > > I have to admit things don't run smoothly here, sometimes Windows seems to > lock the font file - probably if it is in use. > >>When I look in the folder 'Hide Doc' in the old (16 Nov) and new version >>(09 >>Dec) the content is the same, file sizes and dates inclusive ... > > Argh! Zombie applet, they kill it and yet it keeps on running. > > Actually this is a bit baffling, when I first read your comment I assumed > it had remained somewhere down the build chain on my machine, but I can't > see it. > > > Another new feature is that you can now load documents with file names of > the form; > > mydoc,b27 > > that may help with objects transferred from RISC OS. However the snag is > that you can only load from the File->Open menu and they won't display the > correct icons. Thank you, David. Works a treat. Just what I wanted. So easy now to tranfer files from OP under Virtual Acorn.. Noel Thompson. > David Pilling > email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk > web: http://www.davidpilling.net > post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK > fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 > > > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message > > Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net > > -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Dec 11 03:37:34 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ccy4K-0006tX-Kw-0006uG."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 03:37:34 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ccy4K-0006tX-Kw; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 03:37:18 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ccy4K-0006tX-Kw; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 03:37:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ccy4K-00027A-A4; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 03:37:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Ccy3o-0007oO-Li; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 03:36:44 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iBB3aEH11517 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 03:36:14 GMT Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iBB3aDD11511 for ; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 03:36:14 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Ccy3J-000JlF-7c for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 03:36:13 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 03:34:57 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] My Windows hints n tips MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, I've created a page of Windows hints and tips. http://www.davidpilling.net/hints.html Always risky to say anything is a hint or tip, because one persons insight is anothers statement of the plain obvious. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Dec 11 14:06:30 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Cd4C4-0001eO-Pj-0001gQ."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 14:06:30 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Cd4C4-0001eO-Pj; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 10:09:43 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Cd4C4-0001eO-Pj; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 10:09:40 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Cd4C4-0000e3-OK; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 10:09:40 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Cd4Bl-0006id-60; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 10:09:21 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iBBA95F01940 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 10:09:05 GMT Received: from astro.systems.pipex.net (astro.systems.pipex.net [62.241.163.6]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iBBA94u01937 for ; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 10:09:04 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from MARSDEN9.btinternet.com (81-86-166-106.dsl.pipex.com [81.86.166.106]) by astro.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A552E000216 for ; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 10:09:04 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <6.0.3.0.2.20041211095230.01e456e8@217.12.12.124> X-Sender: phillip.marsden@217.12.12.124 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.3.0 Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 10:08:59 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Phillip Marsden Subject: Re: [softwarelist] My Windows hints n tips In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-11F820A3 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) At 03:34 11/12/2004, David Pilling wrote: >Hi, > >I've created a page of Windows hints and tips. > >http://www.davidpilling.net/hints.html > >Always risky to say anything is a hint or tip, because one persons insight >is anothers statement of the plain obvious. Thank-you for the tips page. These things are always welcome. Having tried your first tip, I would like to point out that using XP, clicking on the Up arrow whilst holding the Control key down, the parent directory is opened and the child is also left open. Your tip indicates that the child is closed. Your toggle window size tip is useful. RISC OS people often moan about Windows being difficult to manipulate the actual window placement. When one has plenty of windows on a screen, it is possible to tidy (minimise) them all at once using the "Show Desktop" icon in the Quickstart area of the taskbar. It is also possible to minimise individual windows (when they are hidden behind other windows) by clicking on the taskbar button for that window. As far as I know, neither of these are possible with the RISC OS interface. -- Regards, Phillip Marsden. phillip.marsden@btinternet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.5.0 - Release Date: 09/12/2004 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Dec 11 14:06:30 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Cd4lj-0000nT-62-0000oJ."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 14:06:30 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Cd4lj-0000nT-62; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 10:46:33 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Cd4lj-0000nT-62; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 10:46:31 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Cd4lj-0001nR-M7; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 10:46:31 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Cd4lP-0007v7-N1; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 10:46:11 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iBBAjw507631 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 10:45:58 GMT Received: from smtp-out6.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out6.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.9]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iBBAjv707628 for ; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 10:45:57 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from riscpc.WORKGROUP ([82.33.104.7]) by smtp-out6.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Sat, 11 Dec 2004 10:46:26 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tony Cropper To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 10:45:11 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] My Windows hints n tips Message-ID: <4d1b928d96tony@cropp.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.2.20041211095230.01e456e8@217.12.12.124> References: <6.0.3.0.2.20041211095230.01e456e8@217.12.12.124> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.37) Content-Type: text/plain X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Dec 2004 10:46:26.0209 (UTC) FILETIME=[A9D79110:01C4DF6E] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <6.0.3.0.2.20041211095230.01e456e8@217.12.12.124>, Phillip Marsden wrote: > At 03:34 11/12/2004, David Pilling wrote: > >Hi, > > > >I've created a page of Windows hints and tips. > Thank-you for the tips page. These things are always welcome. > Having tried your first tip, I would like to point out that using XP, > clicking on the Up arrow whilst holding the Control key down, the parent > directory is opened and the child is also left open. Your tip indicates > that the child is closed. The action of the control key is determined by what is set in the folders option in the (XP) control panel. You have the choice as to whether a new window is opened in the filer or whether the new view appears in the same window. What the control key does here is to carry out the 'other' option to the one set. It works in the classic filer windows too. Another tip, possibly of more use to us RISC OS users is that you can close a window by double-clicking the top left icon on the icon bar of a window. Useful if you are always used to using the RISC OS 'close window' icon. There are a whole load of useful keyboard shortcuts like using the 'windows start menu key' (you know the one to the left of the space bar after 'alt') with other keys. Try 'r', 'd' and 'l' (el) for instance. I can't remember whether all this works in W98 etc but it does in XP. I wonder whether you have opened an Aladdin's Cave or a Can of Worms, David! I wonder what and where the world's longest web page is ;) -- tony cropper bristol uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Dec 11 14:06:31 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Cd5kW-0005sL-CG-0005tF."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 14:06:31 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Cd5kW-0005sL-CG; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 11:49:22 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Cd5kW-0005sL-CG; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 11:49:20 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Cd5kW-0007a6-Jg; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 11:49:20 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Cd5kG-0000a8-N0; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 11:49:04 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iBBBmsO18379 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 11:48:54 GMT Received: from astro.systems.pipex.net (astro.systems.pipex.net [62.241.163.6]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iBBBmsQ18370 for ; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 11:48:54 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from MARSDEN9.btinternet.com (81-86-166-106.dsl.pipex.com [81.86.166.106]) by astro.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC5A7E000263 for ; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 11:48:53 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <6.0.3.0.2.20041211114117.01e470a0@217.12.12.124> X-Sender: phillip.marsden@217.12.12.124 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.3.0 Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 11:48:49 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Phillip Marsden Subject: Re: [softwarelist] My Windows hints n tips In-Reply-To: <4d1b928d96tony@cropp.demon.co.uk> References: <6.0.3.0.2.20041211095230.01e456e8@217.12.12.124> <4d1b928d96tony@cropp.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-54117427 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) At 10:45 11/12/2004, Tony Cropper wrote: >[snip] > >The action of the control key is determined by what is set in the >folders option in the (XP) control panel. You have the choice as to >whether a new window is opened in the filer or whether the new view >appears in the same window. What the control key does here is to carry >out the 'other' option to the one set. It works in the classic filer >windows too. > >[snip] This underlines yet again that many Windows users (including me) do not know of many of the facilities of Windows, even though we use it every day. It irritates me to see RISC OS users persistently stating that "such and such" facility does not exist in Windows and that it is much easier to do things in RISC OS. They conveniently forget that they have spent years using the RISC OS interface and becoming familiar with it, but will not spend 5 minutes with another OS before criticising the facilities that they know nothing about. David's hints page may help to dispel some of the ignorance of Windows. Carry on, please. -- Regards, Phillip Marsden. phillip.marsden@btinternet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. 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Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.5.0 - Release Date: 09/12/2004 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Dec 11 14:26:27 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Cd86I-0004uk-Dc-0004vG."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 14:26:27 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Cd86I-0004uk-Dc; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 14:19:59 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Cd86I-0004uk-Dc; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 14:19:58 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Cd86I-000496-1c; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 14:19:58 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Cd85z-0004q1-5d; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 14:19:39 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iBBEJHJ11062 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 14:19:17 GMT Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iBBEJGQ11053 for ; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 14:19:16 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Cd84z-000O7M-H2 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 14:18:37 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 14:18:08 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] My Windows hints n tips References: <6.0.3.0.2.20041211095230.01e456e8@217.12.12.124> <4d1b928d96tony@cropp.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4d1b928d96tony@cropp.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >There are a whole load of useful keyboard shortcuts like using the >'windows start menu key' (you know the one to the left of the space bar >after 'alt') with other keys. Try 'r', 'd' and 'l' (el) for instance. I didn't know that, very exciting trying them. In a way they're hints for RISC OS users. For example ALT+Tab is important in using Windows efficiently, it probably took me a year or two to work it out, but I didn't include it in the list because now it seems too obvious. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Dec 11 21:36:49 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CdEtt-0002JJ-Ix-0002Ju."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 21:36:49 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CdEtt-0002JJ-Ix; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 21:35:39 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CdEtt-0002JJ-Ix; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 21:35:37 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CdEtt-0001Oj-LO; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 21:35:37 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CdEtM-00025d-Fa; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 21:35:04 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iBBLYm622983 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 21:34:48 GMT Received: from astro.systems.pipex.net (astro.systems.pipex.net [62.241.163.6]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iBBLYmB22979 for ; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 21:34:48 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from MARSDEN9.btinternet.com (81-86-166-106.dsl.pipex.com [81.86.166.106]) by astro.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEC77E000068 for ; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 21:34:47 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <6.0.3.0.2.20041211202447.01e27e68@217.12.12.124> X-Sender: phillip.marsden@217.12.12.124 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.3.0 Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 20:35:37 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Phillip Marsden Subject: Re: [softwarelist] My Windows hints n tips In-Reply-To: References: <6.0.3.0.2.20041211095230.01e456e8@217.12.12.124> <4d1b928d96tony@cropp.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-21BA27A Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) At 14:18 11/12/2004, David Pilling wrote: >>There are a whole load of useful keyboard shortcuts like using the >>'windows start menu key' (you know the one to the left of the space bar >>after 'alt') with other keys. Try 'r', 'd' and 'l' (el) for instance. > >I didn't know that, very exciting trying them. > > >In a way they're hints for RISC OS users. For example ALT+Tab is important >in using Windows efficiently, it probably took me a year or two to work it >out, but I didn't include it in the list because now it seems too obvious. One shortcut that I find very useful within an application is Control-F4. Instead of closing the application (as does ALT-F4) it closes the application sub-window that is active at the moment. Most Windows applications seem to support it. I must admit that, coming from Unix where everything had to be done by the keyboard, I find it better to use the keyboard wherever possible. When something can only be done by mouse, then I find it most restricting. Windows seems to have a lot more keyboard shortcuts than RISC OS. Perhaps the RISC OS programmers should take this on board and give us more than the mouse methods? -- Regards, Phillip Marsden. phillip.marsden@btinternet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.5.0 - Release Date: 09/12/2004 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sun Dec 12 14:35:17 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CdTQ6-0004nv-QK-0004od."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 14:35:17 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CdTQ6-0004nv-QK; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 13:05:51 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CdTQ6-0004nv-QK; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 13:05:50 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CdTQ5-0005sB-VV; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 13:05:50 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CdTPt-00077c-HY; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 13:05:37 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iBCD4cd25397 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 13:04:38 GMT Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iBCD4bk25390 for ; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 13:04:37 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from tenmagpies.demon.co.uk ([80.177.3.119] helo=iyonix) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CdTOv-000Ics-DD for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 13:04:37 +0000 Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 13:05:38 GMT From: David W Mills To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] My Windows hints n tips Message-ID: <703f231c4d.david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk> References: <6.0.3.0.2.20041211095230.01e456e8@217.12.12.124> <4d1b928d96tony@cropp.demon.co.uk> <6.0.3.0.2.20041211202447.01e27e68@217.12.12.124> In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.2.20041211202447.01e27e68@217.12.12.124> X-Organization: tenmagpies User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.08) POPstar/2.04-pre2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) [snip] > > I must admit that, coming from Unix where everything had to be done by the > keyboard, I find it better to use the keyboard wherever possible. When > something can only be done by mouse, then I find it most restricting. > Windows seems to have a lot more keyboard shortcuts than RISC OS. Perhaps > the RISC OS programmers should take this on board and give us more than the > mouse methods? > Imteresting thread. I have to use windows at school and find it amazing how the kids (9-10 years) can manage to use Key strokes so well...these are usually the more able intellectually... I struggle to remember them! Going back to the "beginning" I remember my first encounters with mouses. No way could I get a Windows machine to do anything for me... it took an age on Macs.... but Acorn machines were so easy...... and they didn't hang up as often due to my stupidity and when they did...switch off and on again! For Jo or Jane Average consistancy and simplicity should be available.... I don't find this in evne the latest versions of Windows we have at school. I down-loaded OPro at school but people would not look at it..... David -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Dec 14 16:24:43 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CdV7K-0006Iu-JP-0006JN."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 16:24:43 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CdV7K-0006Iu-JP; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 14:54:34 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CdV7K-0006Iu-JP; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 14:54:34 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CdV7J-0001BE-QI; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 14:54:33 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CdV77-0005Em-9N; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 14:54:21 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iBCEs7x12418 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 14:54:07 GMT Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iBCEs7l12413 for ; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 14:54:07 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CdV6s-0005UT-7m for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 14:54:06 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 14:52:40 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] My Windows hints n tips References: <6.0.3.0.2.20041211095230.01e456e8@217.12.12.124> <4d1b928d96tony@cropp.demon.co.uk> <6.0.3.0.2.20041211202447.01e27e68@217.12.12.124> <703f231c4d.david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <703f231c4d.david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I think one of the good things about Windows is how virtually everything can be done from the keyboard. The way you can navigate dialogue boxes is particularly good. There's no doubt RISC OS is more mouse intensive. As the number of mice I've worn out shows. However people always say RISC OS is more productive, so perhaps using the mouse is better. It would have been interesting if RISC OS had ever got into the mainstream to see how the different user interfaces would have faired. Would RISC OS have been sunk by giving people RSI with all that mousing about. >I down-loaded OPro at school but people would not look at it..... Someone I know did a publication for a voluntary organisation using OP for Windows, he then recommended they buy it to carry on with future issues. He was told in blunt terms it was not suitable for them to buy from a company such as mine. I notice amongst people I meet there's the idea that software is something you buy off Microsoft, and not something people like me might write. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Dec 14 16:24:45 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CdWe6-0002O5-Gy-0002OX."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 16:24:45 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CdWe6-0002O5-Gy; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 16:32:30 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CdWe6-0002O5-Gy; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 16:32:30 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CdWe6-0003Ko-2d; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 16:32:30 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CdWdY-0005lk-6I; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 16:31:56 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iBCGViB26878 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 16:31:44 GMT Received: from mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.47]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iBCGVhH26873 for ; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 16:31:43 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from dsl-80-41-176-156.access.uk.tiscali.com ([80.41.176.156]:10561 helo=dave) by mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CdWdK-0001Zl-RA for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 16:31:42 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 16:29:35 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: My Windows hints n tips Message-ID: <4d1c35ebabdfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: References: <6.0.3.0.2.20041211095230.01e456e8@217.12.12.124> <4d1b928d96tony@cropp.demon.co.uk> <6.0.3.0.2.20041211202447.01e27e68@217.12.12.124> <703f231c4d.david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03j (RISC-OS/4.39) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Editor: Zap 1.46 (19 Oct 2004) [TEST], ZapEmail 0.27 (21 Mar 2003) test-6 (32) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , David Pilling wrote: > I notice amongst people I meet there's the idea that software is > something you buy off Microsoft, and not something people like me might > write. How damnably true. I was talking to a WinPC (only) owning friend recently, and mentioned again that I'd been using a most excellent piece of DTP kit on my RO machine called Ovation Pro.(He calls my SARPC Cul-de-sac computing). I then went on to mention, I'd recently paid you for the Ovation Pro- Windows version and how useful it was, and worth every penny. He spluttered in his beer, uttered a few choice words then replied. "you know me, I never pay money for any software, you must be mad." We've had this conversation many time before in the past, when I've mentioned in passing that I'd just sent 15 quid for an upgrade to R-Comp or others... It is quite pointless to continue the subject with this person... but I do know quite a few like him and her. However David, some of us do appreciate the work of software writers. Thank you for your work. Cheers Dave S -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk Tue Dec 14 16:24:46 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CdWtQ-00042F-Jf-00042I."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 16:24:46 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CdWtQ-00042F-Jf; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 16:48:20 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CdWtQ-00042F-Jf for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 16:48:20 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.85] (helo=anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CdWtP-0001L2-VM for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 16:48:20 +0000 Received: from tenmagpies.demon.co.uk ([80.177.3.119] helo=iyonix) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CdWsm-000BrG-GJ for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 16:47:40 +0000 Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 16:49:03 GMT From: David W Mills To: opro@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Marketing Opro (was) My Windows hints n tips Message-ID: References: <6.0.3.0.2.20041211095230.01e456e8@217.12.12.124> <4d1b928d96tony@cropp.demon.co.uk> <6.0.3.0.2.20041211202447.01e27e68@217.12.12.124> <703f231c4d.david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: tenmagpies User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.08) POPstar/2.04-pre2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) David In message you wrote: [snip] > > >I down-loaded OPro at school but people would not look at it..... > > Someone I know did a publication for a voluntary organisation using OP > for Windows, he then recommended they buy it to carry on with future > issues. He was told in blunt terms it was not suitable for them to buy > from a company such as mine. > > I notice amongst people I meet there's the idea that software is > something you buy off Microsoft, and not something people like me might > write. > > How about getting onto one of the education suppliers? REM Software comes to mind . Just looked at their site on O2..a little yucky. I find Office applications a bit limiting...... and at times hell to find my way around. Last year I told one of my wizzes about OPeo on Windows and he went away with the idea of trying it out...parents put the kibosh on it. That surprised me as dad is a high powered barrister who has no love for big corporations and takes a lot of interesting cases...like protesters! David -- From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Dec 14 16:24:46 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CdWyr-00070I-Lt-00070o."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 16:24:46 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CdWyr-00070I-Lt; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 16:53:58 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CdWyr-00070I-Lt; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 16:53:57 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CdWyr-0006sK-DP; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 16:53:57 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CdWyR-0001EI-3I; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 16:53:31 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iBCGrKU06422 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 16:53:20 GMT Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iBCGrK306418 for ; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 16:53:20 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from tenmagpies.demon.co.uk ([80.177.3.119] helo=iyonix) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CdWxb-000DUt-J5 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 16:52:40 +0000 Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 16:53:59 GMT From: David W Mills To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: My Windows hints n tips Message-ID: <5127381c4d.david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk> References: <6.0.3.0.2.20041211095230.01e456e8@217.12.12.124> <4d1b928d96tony@cropp.demon.co.uk> <6.0.3.0.2.20041211202447.01e27e68@217.12.12.124> <703f231c4d.david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk> <4d1c35ebabdfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4d1c35ebabdfs@ukgateway.net> X-Organization: tenmagpies User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.08) POPstar/2.04-pre2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4d1c35ebabdfs@ukgateway.net> you wrote: [snip] > > He spluttered in his beer, uttered a few choice words then replied. "you > know me, I never pay money for any software, you must be mad." > Splutter! Fume!! [snip] > It is quite pointless to continue the subject with this person... but I do > know quite a few like him and her. > > However David, some of us do appreciate the work of software writers. > Thank you for your work. Seconded!!!!!! 'tis the same for friends in the music world...tho' I have views about big recording companies that are unprintable. David > > Cheers > Dave S > -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Dec 14 16:24:49 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Cddaf-0006vE-9o-0006vl."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 16:24:49 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Cddaf-0006vE-9o; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 23:57:26 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Cddaf-0006vE-9o; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 23:57:25 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Cddae-0005dt-Rr; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 23:57:24 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CddaM-0005FZ-Uj; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 23:57:06 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iBCNuqj22915 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 23:56:52 GMT Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iBCNupn22911 for ; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 23:56:51 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CddZR-000HDC-Il for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 23:56:10 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 21:07:15 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] My Windows hints n tips Message-ID: <4d1c4f576aJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <6.0.3.0.2.20041211095230.01e456e8@217.12.12.124> <4d1b928d96tony@cropp.demon.co.uk> <6.0.3.0.2.20041211202447.01e27e68@217.12.12.124> <703f231c4d.david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , David Pilling wrote: > Someone I know did a publication for a voluntary organisation using > OP for Windows, he then recommended they buy it to carry on with > future issues. He was told in blunt terms it was not suitable for > them to buy from a company such as mine. In my last job, it was a "given" that software would not be bought from any company that couldn't provide 24/7 support. Having said that, this was for a bank, whose operational concerns were surely different from voluntary organisations. -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Dec 14 16:24:55 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CdmiC-0007FG-5E-0007Fn."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 16:24:55 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CdmiC-0007FG-5E; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 09:41:49 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CdmiC-0007FG-5E; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 09:41:48 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CdmiC-0004l0-Ev; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 09:41:48 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CdmhB-0005EO-EZ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 09:40:45 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iBD9eNM26110 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 09:40:23 GMT Received: from outmail.freedom2surf.net (outmail1.freedom2surf.net [194.106.33.237]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iBD9eMh26106 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 09:40:22 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from wallace (i-195-137-110-177.freedom2surf.net [195.137.110.177]) by outmail.freedom2surf.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBD9eLnF016053 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 09:40:21 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Brian Carroll To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 09:33:52 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: My Windows hints n tips Message-ID: <4d1c93b245bric@f2s.com> In-Reply-To: References: <6.0.3.0.2.20041211095230.01e456e8@217.12.12.124> <4d1b928d96tony@cropp.demon.co.uk> <6.0.3.0.2.20041211202447.01e27e68@217.12.12.124> <703f231c4d.david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03j (RISC-OS/4.39) POPstar/2.06-ds.2 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , David Pilling wrote: [Snip] > I notice amongst people I meet there's the idea that software > is something you buy off Microsoft, and not something people > like me might write. ... If they even give a single thought to the tremendous intellectual effort that goes into the evolution of software in all its forms. Most people generally are completely unaware of software per se and just think of it something that is 'in' PCs. Anyway, thanks for these tips which are very useful to me as an extremely inexpert Window user, and even more thanks for your continuing efforts to improve your excellent applications. Brian. -- ______________________________________________________________ Brian Carroll, Ripon, North Yorkshire, UK bric at f2s dot com ______________________________________________________________ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Dec 14 16:24:56 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CdnCk-0001om-KD-0001qb."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 16:24:56 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CdnCk-0001om-KD; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 10:13:24 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CdnCk-0001om-KD; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 10:13:22 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CdnCk-0000Og-1j; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 10:13:22 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CdnCE-00030y-0t; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 10:12:50 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iBDACcA05186 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 10:12:38 GMT Received: from ranger.systems.pipex.net (ranger.systems.pipex.net [62.241.162.32]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iBDACbr05168 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 10:12:37 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from MARSDEN9.btinternet.com (81-86-166-106.dsl.pipex.com [81.86.166.106]) by ranger.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29521E0002CD for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 10:12:36 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <6.0.3.0.2.20041213100300.01ea8fe8@217.12.12.124> X-Sender: phillip.marsden@217.12.12.124 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.3.0 Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 10:09:01 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Phillip Marsden Subject: Re: [softwarelist] My Windows hints n tips In-Reply-To: <4d1c4f576aJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> References: <6.0.3.0.2.20041211095230.01e456e8@217.12.12.124> <4d1b928d96tony@cropp.demon.co.uk> <6.0.3.0.2.20041211202447.01e27e68@217.12.12.124> <703f231c4d.david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk> <4d1c4f576aJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-39723F7B Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) At 21:07 12/12/2004, Jeremy C B Nicoll wrote: >In article , > David Pilling wrote: > > > Someone I know did a publication for a voluntary organisation using > > OP for Windows, he then recommended they buy it to carry on with > > future issues. He was told in blunt terms it was not suitable for > > them to buy from a company such as mine. > >In my last job, it was a "given" that software would not be bought from >any company that couldn't provide 24/7 support. Having said that, this >was for a bank, whose operational concerns were surely different from >voluntary organisations. I remember reading about a charity worker chief who, when challenged about his choice of a Mercedes for a runabout, claimed that he needed a good reliable car to take him around the country to functions, and that something like a Mondeo could not possibly be considered. With attitudes like that, I am not surprised at the attitude that they cannot buy anything but the most expensive software. -- Regards, Phillip Marsden. phillip.marsden@btinternet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.5.0 - Release Date: 09/12/2004 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Dec 14 16:24:56 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CdndC-0000Vv-MT-0000Wn."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 16:24:56 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CdndC-0000Vv-MT; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 10:40:44 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CdndC-0000Vv-MT; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 10:40:42 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CdndC-0001Bf-IJ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 10:40:42 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Cdnd1-0003bb-Ix; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 10:40:31 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iBDAeNk13886 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 10:40:23 GMT Received: from smtp01.altohiway.com (smtp01.altohiway.com [195.12.4.238]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iBDAeNc13883 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 10:40:23 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from websrv.quantel.com (quantel-gw.hiway.co.uk [195.12.20.34] (may be forged)) by smtp01.altohiway.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBDAeLwZ019773 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 10:40:21 GMT In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.2.20041211095230.01e456e8@217.12.12.124> To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] My Windows hints n tips MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 10:37:24 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,CLICK_BELOW,IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >I've created a page of Windows hints and tips. > >http://www.davidpilling.net/hints.html > >Always risky to say anything is a hint or tip, because one persons insight >is anothers statement of the plain obvious. > A few of my own obvious tips you might like to add :- On the minimise theme, if you right click on the task bar there is a "minimise all" option which becomes a "unminimise all" option once the first has been performed. Similar to the "show desktop" already mentioned, but it can be reversed. Something which should have been part of windows and should be installed by everyone is TweakUI (search the Microsoft site for a download) This adds an entry to the control panel that lets you tweak all sorts of user interface stuff. One that I find particularly useful is the file completion for cmd windows. Setting this to TAB makes it just like Unix ;-). Also you can stop explorer adding "Shortcut to" to all shortcuts. Another little add-on I find invaluable is sendbk available from :- http://neural.inesc-id.pt/~lba/sendtoback.htm Once installed, if you right click on a title bar it pushes that window to the back of the pile. Just like the "Back" icon in RiscOS HTH Andy Ling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Dec 14 16:24:57 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Cdp0J-0002bh-MU-0002cl."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 16:24:57 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Cdp0J-0002bh-MU; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 12:08:41 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Cdp0J-0002bh-MU; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 12:08:39 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Cdp0J-0003Zd-Nb; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 12:08:39 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Cdp00-0006b8-7c; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 12:08:20 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iBDC89P09381 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 12:08:09 GMT Received: from astro.systems.pipex.net (astro.systems.pipex.net [62.241.163.6]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iBDC88Q09375 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 12:08:08 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from MARSDEN9.btinternet.com (81-86-166-106.dsl.pipex.com [81.86.166.106]) by astro.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11F3DE000263 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 12:08:07 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <6.0.3.0.2.20041213113838.01e6b558@217.12.12.124> X-Sender: phillip.marsden@217.12.12.124 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.3.0 Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 12:05:00 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Phillip Marsden Subject: Re: [softwarelist] My Windows hints n tips In-Reply-To: References: <6.0.3.0.2.20041211095230.01e456e8@217.12.12.124> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-767ACB1 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,CLICK_BELOW,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) At 10:37 13/12/2004, Andy.Ling@quantel.com wrote: >[snip] >A few of my own obvious tips you might like to add :- > >On the minimise theme, if you right click on the task bar there is >a "minimise all" option which becomes a "unminimise all" option once >the first has been performed. Similar to the "show desktop" already >mentioned, but it can be reversed. This IS the "show desktop", with another way of invoking it. If you click on the "show desktop" icon in the quickstart bar, it is a toggle which reverses as you describe for the menu method. I did not mention it in my previous posting, but the same applies to the application buttons on the task bar. They are toggles for maximising as well as minimising. >Something which should have been part of windows and should be installed >by everyone is TweakUI (search the Microsoft site for a download) This >adds an entry to the control panel that lets you tweak all sorts of >user interface stuff. One that I find particularly useful is the file >completion for cmd windows. Setting this to TAB makes it just like >Unix ;-). Also you can stop explorer adding "Shortcut to" to all >shortcuts. > >Another little add-on I find invaluable is sendbk available from :- >http://neural.inesc-id.pt/~lba/sendtoback.htm >Once installed, if you right click on a title bar it pushes that >window to the back of the pile. Just like the "Back" icon in RiscOS > >HTH It certainly does. If I can add another immensely useful (to me) tip that I discovered only this weekend after searching the internet for weeks. My preference for a filer display is to have a tree display with details. The Windows default is the icon display. In any folder, it is possible to alter the view. It is tiresome to have to alter the view from the view menu each time it is displayed. I therefore told Windows to "remember each folder's view settings" from tools->folder options->view. I also clicked the "Apply to all folders" button, but this did not work. I discovered in a book this weekend that the "remember each folder's view settings" means "remember the settings of the folder before you changed the settings, and re-apply them when entering that folder again". By unchecking "remember each folder's view settings" all the folders that I open automatically take on the tree detail view that I set for the root directory. Bliss! -- Regards, Phillip Marsden. phillip.marsden@btinternet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.5.0 - Release Date: 09/12/2004 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Dec 14 16:25:02 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Cdpxt-00010H-5C-00011r."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 16:25:02 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Cdpxt-00010H-5C; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 13:10:15 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Cdpxt-00010H-5C; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 13:10:13 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Cdpxt-0002Fx-Dw; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 13:10:13 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CdpxL-0006wJ-GN; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 13:09:39 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iBDD8wi28557 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 13:08:58 GMT Received: from smtp01.altohiway.com (smtp01.altohiway.com [195.12.4.238]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iBDD8v128552 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 13:08:58 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from websrv.quantel.com (quantel-gw.hiway.co.uk [195.12.20.34] (may be forged)) by smtp01.altohiway.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBDD8tvj006004 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 13:08:55 GMT In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.2.20041213113838.01e6b558@217.12.12.124> To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] My Windows hints n tips MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 13:06:00 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,CLICK_BELOW,IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > >On the minimise theme, if you right click on the task bar there is > >a "minimise all" option which becomes a "unminimise all" option once > >the first has been performed. Similar to the "show desktop" already > >mentioned, but it can be reversed. > > This IS the "show desktop", with another way of invoking it. If you click > on the "show desktop" icon in the quickstart bar, it is a toggle which > reverses as you describe for the menu method. It's not quite the same, because "show desktop" hides all applications, even those without an icon like a clock I have. Whereas "minimise all" only seems to minimise those that have icons. I didn't know about the toggle in "show desktop" though. > In any folder, it is possible to alter the view. It is tiresome to have to > alter the view from the view menu each time it is displayed. I therefore > told Windows to "remember each folder's view settings" from tools->folder > options->view. I also clicked the "Apply to all folders" button, but this > did not work. I discovered in a book this weekend that the "remember each > folder's view settings" means "remember the settings of the folder before > you changed the settings, and re-apply them when entering that folder again". > You need to be aware of the limitations of this. The folder settings are remembered in the registry and there is a limited number that can be remembered. Once that number has been reached the older ones get overwritten. This means that all of a sudden your windows start reverting to the default. To help a bit with this you can make the default closer to what you want. If you set up a window how you want it, then choose Tools->Folder options and go to the view tab. Then click "Reset All Folders" first and then click "Like Current Folder". All the folders should look like the current in all ways except the size!!!! This will then become the default when you run out of registry space. It's little things like this that annoy me about Windows. Why isn't the window size included as part of the default and why limit the number of windows remembered? > By unchecking "remember each folder's view settings" all the folders that I > open automatically take on the tree detail view that I set for the root > directory. Bliss! > Oops, I thought you wanted settings remembered. Anyway hopefully the above will be useful to others Andy Ling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Dec 14 16:25:03 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CdsZu-0002n9-P7-0002o3."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 16:25:03 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CdsZu-0002n9-P7; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 15:57:39 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CdsZu-0002n9-P7; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 15:57:38 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CdsZu-000694-EQ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 15:57:38 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CdsZR-0005Hh-Kk; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 15:57:09 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iBDFunx15451 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 15:56:49 GMT Received: from astro.systems.pipex.net (astro.systems.pipex.net [62.241.163.6]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iBDFumN15445 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 15:56:48 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from MARSDEN9.btinternet.com (81-86-166-106.dsl.pipex.com [81.86.166.106]) by astro.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F89EE000266 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 15:56:48 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <6.0.3.0.2.20041213155134.01e46e40@217.12.12.124> X-Sender: phillip.marsden@217.12.12.124 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.3.0 Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 15:56:19 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Phillip Marsden Subject: Re: [softwarelist] My Windows hints n tips In-Reply-To: References: <6.0.3.0.2.20041213113838.01e6b558@217.12.12.124> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-20694D67 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,CLICK_BELOW,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) At 13:06 13/12/2004, Andy.Ling@quantel.com wrote: > > >On the minimise theme, if you right click on the task bar there is > > >a "minimise all" option which becomes a "unminimise all" option once > > >the first has been performed. Similar to the "show desktop" already > > >mentioned, but it can be reversed. > > > > This IS the "show desktop", with another way of invoking it. If you >click > > on the "show desktop" icon in the quickstart bar, it is a toggle which > > reverses as you describe for the menu method. > >It's not quite the same, because "show desktop" hides all applications, >even those without an icon like a clock I have. Whereas "minimise all" >only seems to minimise those that have icons. > >I didn't know about the toggle in "show desktop" though. This must be one of those things that depend on how XP is set up, as Tony Cropper mentioned earlier in the thread. When I right-click on the task bar I get an option to "Show the desktop", but not "Minimise all". Perhaps someone will explain where the switch is for this. -- Regards, Phillip Marsden. phillip.marsden@btinternet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.5.0 - Release Date: 09/12/2004 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Dec 14 16:25:03 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CdtSa-0003PS-LZ-0003QE."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 16:25:03 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CdtSa-0003PS-LZ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 16:54:09 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CdtSa-0003PS-LZ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 16:54:08 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CdtSa-0006td-BA; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 16:54:08 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CdtSA-0005BW-16; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 16:53:42 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iBDGrWd02233 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 16:53:32 GMT Received: from smtp01.altohiway.com (smtp01.altohiway.com [195.12.4.238]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iBDGrVt02226 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 16:53:32 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from websrv.quantel.com (quantel-gw.hiway.co.uk [195.12.20.34] (may be forged)) by smtp01.altohiway.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBDGrSs2026506 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 16:53:28 GMT In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.2.20041213155134.01e46e40@217.12.12.124> To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] My Windows hints n tips MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 16:50:35 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,CLICK_BELOW,IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > > > >On the minimise theme, if you right click on the task bar there is > > > >a "minimise all" option which becomes a "unminimise all" option once > > > >the first has been performed. Similar to the "show desktop" already > > > >mentioned, but it can be reversed. > > > > > > This IS the "show desktop", with another way of invoking it. If you > >click > > > on the "show desktop" icon in the quickstart bar, it is a toggle which > > > reverses as you describe for the menu method. > > > >It's not quite the same, because "show desktop" hides all applications, > >even those without an icon like a clock I have. Whereas "minimise all" > >only seems to minimise those that have icons. > > > >I didn't know about the toggle in "show desktop" though. > > This must be one of those things that depend on how XP is set up, as Tony > Cropper mentioned earlier in the thread. When I right-click on the task bar > I get an option to "Show the desktop", but not "Minimise all". Perhaps > someone will explain where the switch is for this. > Maybe it's an XP / Win2K difference. I'm using Win2K and I don't have a "Show the desktop" option. I either have to use the QuickLaunch icon or the "MenuKey d" referred to earlier. And as mentioned these do something slightly different to "Minimise all" Andy Ling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Dec 14 16:25:03 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CduZc-0001IL-9W-0001Iu."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 16:25:03 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CduZc-0001IL-9W; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 18:05:29 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CduZc-0001IL-9W; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 18:05:28 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CduZc-0004kh-PC; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 18:05:28 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CduZJ-00036n-DE; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 18:05:09 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iBDI4rt21145 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 18:04:53 GMT Received: from smtpq3.home.nl (smtpq3.home.nl [213.51.128.198]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iBDI4qf21142 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 18:04:53 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [213.51.128.136] (port=54609 helo=smtp5.home.nl) by smtpq3.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CduZ2-0005yD-Ga for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 19:04:52 +0100 Received: from cp418204-a.dbsch1.nb.home.nl ([84.27.69.179]:55134 helo=padua) by smtp5.home.nl with smtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CduZ1-0005Z2-8r for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 19:04:51 +0100 Message-ID: <000501c4e13e$3e28f4f0$6502a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: References: Subject: Re: [softwarelist] My Windows hints n tips Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 19:04:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-AtHome-MailScanner-Information: Neem contact op met support@home.nl voor meer informatie X-AtHome-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Monday, December 13, 2004 5:50 PM , Andy.Ling@quantel.com wrote: > Maybe it's an XP / Win2K difference. I'm using Win2K and I don't have > a "Show the desktop" option. Also W2K here with 'Show desktop' icon Properties: Type of file: Windows Explorer Command Description: Show Desktop It is part of 'Quick Launch', together with 'Launch Internet Explorer' and 'Launch Outlook Express' I have it in Documents and Settings of \Application Data\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Quick Launch W2K SP4 Maybe you have deleted it? You can get it back ... One way to do it; Create a new user and copy the shortcut from that users Documents and Settings\....\Quick Launch to your Documents and Settings\Quick Launch. Tonnie -- Mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Dec 14 16:25:03 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Cdugo-00013Z-Rc-00014K."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 16:25:03 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Cdugo-00013Z-Rc; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 18:12:55 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Cdugo-00013Z-Rc; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 18:12:54 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Cdugo-0001AW-9Y; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 18:12:54 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CdugU-0007Na-UK; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 18:12:34 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iBDICS322653 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 18:12:28 GMT Received: from smtp01.altohiway.com (smtp01.altohiway.com [195.12.4.238]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iBDICSb22646 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 18:12:28 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from websrv.quantel.com (quantel-gw.hiway.co.uk [195.12.20.34] (may be forged)) by smtp01.altohiway.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBDICNbv013631 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 18:12:23 GMT In-Reply-To: <000501c4e13e$3e28f4f0$6502a8c0@padua> To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] My Windows hints n tips MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 18:09:34 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > > Maybe it's an XP / Win2K difference. I'm using Win2K and I don't have > > a "Show the desktop" option. > > Also W2K here with 'Show desktop' icon > Properties: > Type of file: Windows Explorer Command > Description: Show Desktop > It's not the icon, I have that. It's if you right click on the task bar. On XP (I've just checked on another machine) you get a menu entry that says "Show desktop", but on Win2K you get "Minimise all" They are similar, but on Win2K (I haven't checked on XP) Minimise all only affect applications that have an Icon, whereas the desktop icon affects all applications. Andy Ling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Dec 14 16:25:04 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Cduvn-0004Qo-FF-0004Ra."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 16:25:04 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Cduvn-0004Qo-FF; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 18:28:24 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Cduvn-0004Qo-FF; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 18:28:23 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Cduvn-0000sd-9r; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 18:28:23 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Cduv9-0001Oh-K6; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 18:27:43 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iBDIRZq25395 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 18:27:35 GMT Received: from smtpq2.home.nl (smtpq2.home.nl [213.51.128.197]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iBDIRZP25391 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 18:27:35 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [213.51.128.134] (port=53206 helo=smtp3.home.nl) by smtpq2.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Cduv0-0003bC-LA for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 19:27:34 +0100 Received: from cp418204-a.dbsch1.nb.home.nl ([84.27.69.179]:55198 helo=padua) by smtp3.home.nl with smtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Cduuy-0007D6-So for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 19:27:32 +0100 Message-ID: <000501c4e141$69be0080$6502a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: References: Subject: Re: [softwarelist] My Windows hints n tips Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 19:27:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-AtHome-MailScanner-Information: Neem contact op met support@home.nl voor meer informatie X-AtHome-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Monday, December 13, 2004 7:09 PM , Andy.Ling@quantel.com wrote: >>> Maybe it's an XP / Win2K difference. I'm using Win2K and I don't >>> have a "Show the desktop" option. >> >> Also W2K here with 'Show desktop' icon >> Properties: >> Type of file: Windows Explorer Command >> Description: Show Desktop >> > > It's not the icon, I have that. It's if you right click on the task > bar. On XP (I've just checked on another machine) you get a menu > entry that says "Show desktop", but on Win2K you get "Minimise all" > > They are similar, but on Win2K (I haven't checked on XP) Minimise > all only affect applications that have an Icon, whereas the > desktop icon affects all applications. Thanks. I now understand. I opened Startmenu-->Run With 'Show desktop' it disappears/appears with 'minimise all' it remains unaltered. Tonnie -- Mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Dec 14 16:25:04 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Cdvre-0006UZ-9W-0006VZ."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 16:25:04 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Cdvre-0006UZ-9W; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 19:28:11 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Cdvre-0006UZ-9W; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 19:28:10 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Cdvre-0004Wc-KZ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 19:28:10 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Cdvr7-0000Mh-E8; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 19:27:37 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iBDJRTr04798 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 19:27:29 GMT Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iBDJRSt04794 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 19:27:28 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [213.116.52.29] (helo=argonet.co.uk) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 1Cdvkd-0001pa-QK for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 19:20:56 +0000 Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 10:37:34 GMT From: Chris Wragg To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] My Windows hints n tips Message-ID: <3687991c4d.Chris@cwragg.argonet.co.uk> References: <6.0.3.0.2.20041211095230.01e456e8@217.12.12.124> <4d1b928d96tony@cropp.demon.co.uk> <6.0.3.0.2.20041211202447.01e27e68@217.12.12.124> <703f231c4d.david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,DATE_IN_PAST_06_12,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) David wrote > Someone I know did a publication for a voluntary organisation using OP > for Windows, he then recommended they buy it to carry on with future > issues. He was told in blunt terms it was not suitable for them to buy > from a company such as mine. > > I notice amongst people I meet there's the idea that software is > something you buy off Microsoft, and not something people like me might > write. It is surely a matter of marketing to the right people. Wordproccessors are so well established, and good, on Windows that few will see any need to look at something else, but when it comes to DTP it is a different story, so target the DTP market. Success will also depend on at least one Windows magazine giving OPro a good review, giving recognition to its excellent value for money as a DTP package. ChrisW -- Chris Wragg, Banham, Norfolk cwragg@argonet.co.uk RISC OS software - Mathematics - Walking - BASIC programming ... ... http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/cwragg -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Dec 14 16:25:24 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CeApg-0007Fj-Iw-0007H5."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 16:25:24 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CeApg-0007Fj-Iw; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 11:27:10 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CeApg-0007Fj-Iw; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 11:27:08 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CeApg-00050X-Jq; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 11:27:08 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CeApK-00011j-JC; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 11:26:46 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iBEBQHS12529 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 11:26:17 GMT Received: from mk-smarthost-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.40]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iBEBQHs12522 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 11:26:17 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from dsl-80-41-204-133.access.uk.tiscali.com ([80.41.204.133]:10001 helo=dave) by mk-smarthost-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CeAor-000LeV-Bk for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 11:26:17 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 11:15:41 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] My Windows hints n tips Message-ID: <4d1d20d8b3dfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03j (RISC-OS/4.39) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Editor: Zap 1.46 (19 Oct 2004) [TEST], ZapEmail 0.27 (21 Mar 2003) test-6 (32) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_20,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I knew I had a file somewhere... Anyway I found it this AM. 'Tiz a list of useful MS-Windows shortcuts, it obviously doesn't cover everything, but covers quite a lot of stuff. Win 2000 and XP but I don't know about earlier versions. IIRC we don't post binaries to this list, so I've sent a copy to DP in case you don't fancy sorting out the formatting mess of the thing I've pasted in below. BTW. The original text file formatting is okay. Cheers Dave S ------------------------------------------------------------------- Shortcuts for Windows, Objects, and Folders Requirement: Action: ------------------------------------------------------------------- Copy a file Hold down CTRL while dragging the file to the desired location. Create a shortcut Hold down CTRL-FSHIFT while dragging file to desired shortcut location. Tab through pages in a properties sheet CTRL+T AB Close a folder SHIFT and click the Close button. Bypass a CD-ROM's autorun Hold down SHIFT when you Insert CD-ROM. Switch between opening a new window and closing an existing window Press CTRL and double-click a folder. Copy a file CTRL+C Open a file CTRL+O Print a file CTRL+P Save a file CTRL+S Cut a file CTRL+X Paste a file CTRL+V Undo CTRL+Z Select All CTRL+A Show "What' s This?" help SH1FT+Fl Show Help window Fl Cancel ESC Select an item SPACE BAR Show pop-up menu SHIFt+F10 Activate or inactivate menu bar mode ALT Display next primary window ALT+TAB Display next window ALT+ESC Show pop-out menu for active window ALT+SPACE BAR Show pop-out menu for active child window ALT+HYPHEN Show Properties SHIFT+ENTER Close active window ALT+F4 Switch to next window within an application CTRL+F6 Capture window ALT+PRINT SCREEN Capture Desktop PRINT SCREEN Activate Start menu CTRL+ESC Rename an item F2 Find an item F3 Delete an item DELETE Delete an item without recycle bin SHIFT+DELETE Explore an item SHIFT+double-click ------------------------------------------------------------------- Shortcuts for Windows with dialogues: Requirement: Action: ------------------------------------------------------------------- Cancel current task ESC Click a button SPACE BAR Select or clear a check box SPACE BAR Carry out a following command SPACE BAR Click a selected button ALT+underlined letter Move forward through options CTRL+SHlFT+TAB Move backward through options ENTER Move forward through tabs TAB Move backward through tabs SHIFT+TAB Open a folder one level up CTRL+TAB ------------------------------------------------------------------- Shortcuts for Windows Explorer: Requirement: Action: ------------------------------------------------------------------- Display Combo address box F4 Refresh F5 Move focus between panes F6 Go To command CTRL+G Go to parent folder BACKSPACE Expand everything under a selection * on numeric keypad Expand selection + on numeric keypad Collapse selection - on numeric keypad Expand current selection RIGHT ARROW Collapse current selection LEFT ARROW Move backward ALT+LEFT ARROW Scroll without moving selection CTRL+ARROW Close folders SHIFT+Close button ------------------------------------------------------------------- Shortcuts for Internet Explorer: Requirement: Action: ------------------------------------------------------------------- Activate a selected link TAB+ENTER Show a shortcut menu for a link SHIFT+F10 Go to next page ALT+RIGHT ARROW Go to previous page ALT+LEFT ARROW Go to a new page CTRL+O Move forward between frames CTRL+TAB Move back between frames SHIFT +CTRL+TAB Move to beginning of page HOME Move to end of page END Start a new window CTRL+N Print CTRL+P Refresh F5 Scroll to beginning of page UP ARROW Scroll to end of page DOWN ARROW Scroll to beginning in page increments PAGE UP Scroll to end in page increments PAGE DOWN Stop downloading ESC Save CTRL+S ------------------------------------------------------------------- -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Dec 14 16:25:25 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CeDbi-0003Kh-EQ-0003Lv."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 16:25:25 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CeDbi-0003Kh-EQ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 14:24:56 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CeDbi-0003Kh-EQ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 14:24:54 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CeDbi-0006ul-8K; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 14:24:54 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CeDbE-0000ym-J7; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 14:24:24 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iBEEO5Y01994 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 14:24:05 GMT Received: from smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.7]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iBEEO4T01987 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 14:24:04 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from riscpc.WORKGROUP ([82.33.104.7]) by smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Tue, 14 Dec 2004 14:24:33 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tony Cropper To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 14:22:08 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] My Windows hints n tips Message-ID: <4d1d31ec6atony@cropp.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <6.0.3.0.2.20041211095230.01e456e8@217.12.12.124> <4d1b928d96tony@cropp.demon.co.uk> <6.0.3.0.2.20041211202447.01e27e68@217.12.12.124> <703f231c4d.david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.37) Content-Type: text/plain X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Dec 2004 14:24:33.0140 (UTC) FILETIME=[A1800340:01C4E1E8] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , David Pilling wrote: > However people always say RISC OS is more productive, so perhaps using > the mouse is better. On the subject of using a mouse on Windows there is one 'tip' which I have seen mentioned rarely but, certainly in my experience, which is a 'good thing'. Possibly there are few RISC OS users who have used a Mac but those who have will know how it is possible for a system to run using a one-button mouse. In Mac systems much greater importance is placed on the 'Un-'clicking of the mouse ie. letting the button go. We are all used to this action in drag-and-drop situations but not where we are navigating a menu system where you open the menu with a downward click, keep the button depressed whilst navigating the menu, only to release it over the chosen item. You can do this in Windows too - of course you can do it the normal RISC OS way too and click/unclick on both - but how useful is it to be able to navigate a menu system with half the number of finger movements? Obviously this way wouldn't suit everyone and it may actually polarise peoples' opinions. Nonetheless it is a feature of Windows which reduces my RSI problems and, personally, I'm all in favour of that. -- tony cropper bristol uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Dec 14 18:24:46 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CeHLF-00011B-Rw-00011n."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 18:24:46 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CeHLF-00011B-Rw; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 18:24:10 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CeHLF-00011B-Rw; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 18:24:09 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CeHLF-0005zF-F1; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 18:24:09 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CeHKs-0004XV-Hh; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 18:23:46 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iBEINV432131 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 18:23:31 GMT Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iBEINUc32120 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 18:23:31 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CeHKc-000DrR-1C for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 18:23:30 +0000 Message-ID: <88x9TgFF9yvBFwDw@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 18:21:57 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] My Windows hints n tips References: <6.0.3.0.2.20041211095230.01e456e8@217.12.12.124> <4d1b928d96tony@cropp.demon.co.uk> <6.0.3.0.2.20041211202447.01e27e68@217.12.12.124> <703f231c4d.david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk> <3687991c4d.Chris@cwragg.argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <3687991c4d.Chris@cwragg.argonet.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >look at something else, but when it comes to DTP it is a different story, so >target the DTP market. Good point. >Success will also depend on at least one Windows magazine giving OPro >a good review, giving recognition to its excellent value for money as a Yes, I don't think the program at the moment is sufficiently Windows like to appeal to Windows users. So there's some way to go before I start trying to get magazines interested. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Dec 14 18:34:46 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CeHRe-0004mW-3E-0004na."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 18:34:46 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CeHRe-0004mW-3E; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 18:30:47 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CeHRe-0004mW-3E; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 18:30:46 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CeHRd-0006OQ-Q2; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 18:30:45 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CeHQb-0003ML-Hp; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 18:29:41 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iBEITXR02025 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 18:29:33 GMT Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iBEITWC02021 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 18:29:32 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CeHQS-000F2l-0p for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 18:29:32 +0000 Message-ID: <$9BtTUGFDzvBFwS5@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 18:28:21 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] My Windows hints n tips References: <6.0.3.0.2.20041211095230.01e456e8@217.12.12.124> <4d1b928d96tony@cropp.demon.co.uk> <6.0.3.0.2.20041211202447.01e27e68@217.12.12.124> <703f231c4d.david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk> <4d1d31ec6atony@cropp.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4d1d31ec6atony@cropp.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >button depressed whilst navigating the menu, only to release it over the >chosen item. Yes this does have to work, I had to consider it when writing the font menu code in OPW. I'd be inclined to think that holding down the button would increase the wear and tear on mice and muscle. >peoples' opinions. Nonetheless it is a feature of Windows which reduces >my RSI problems and, personally, I'm all in favour of that. The secret I learnt from (the defunct) PC World magazine is to sleep with your arm completely straight. One thing you can do with Windows is configure the mouse to be left or right handed. I've got some machines set to each and this spreads the load. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Dec 16 18:14:18 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Cf00L-0002Ez-Om-0002Fj."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 18:14:18 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Cf00L-0002Ez-Om; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 18:05:34 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Cf00L-0002Ez-Om; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 18:05:33 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Cf00L-0007Hx-Gz; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 18:05:33 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Cezww-00068J-MH; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 18:02:02 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iBGI0PO13681 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 18:00:25 GMT Received: from mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk (mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk [212.9.8.7]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with SMTP id iBGI0Lq13639 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 18:00:22 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from iyonix ([82.112.129.142]) by mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk (Merak 7.6.0) with SMTP id KLA74787 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 17:58:25 -0000 Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 17:59:29 GMT From: michael talibard To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] scan preview window Message-ID: <8e7e4d1e4d.michael@talibard.com> X-Organization: home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.08) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) When using Dpling Scan, and adjusting the area to be scanned, one moves those little handles (forgive me if I don't know the proper names for things). As you approach the edge of the window, it anticipates you and moves away. I can see the idea, of course, but in my experience, it generally anticipates too soon and runs away awfully fast. Are these matters adjustable? -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Dec 16 19:34:22 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Cf1N6-0006rI-R3-0006ru."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 19:34:22 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Cf1N6-0006rI-R3; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 19:33:09 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Cf1N6-0006rI-R3; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 19:33:08 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Cf1N5-0006Io-Su; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 19:33:08 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Cf1Mq-0004ql-Ja; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 19:32:52 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iBGJWcA32699 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 19:32:38 GMT Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iBGJWb432692 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 19:32:37 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Cf1Ma-00052d-95 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 19:32:36 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 19:31:27 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] scan preview window References: <8e7e4d1e4d.michael@talibard.com> In-Reply-To: <8e7e4d1e4d.michael@talibard.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >but in my experience, it generally anticipates too soon >and runs away awfully fast. Are these matters >adjustable? No. They are in Ovation Pro autoscroll() - wonder if anyone has ever improved on the defaults? -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Dec 16 19:54:23 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Cf1gZ-0003qG-IP-0003r3."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 19:54:23 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Cf1gZ-0003qG-IP; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 19:53:16 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Cf1gZ-0003qG-IP; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 19:53:15 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Cf1gZ-0006Ao-Fg; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 19:53:15 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Cf1cy-00070s-Qy; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 19:49:32 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iBGJnNt03523 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 19:49:23 GMT Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iBGJnMl03519 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 19:49:22 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Cf1cm-000Gfy-CQ for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 19:49:22 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 19:16:21 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] scan preview window Message-ID: <4d1e54881aJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <8e7e4d1e4d.michael@talibard.com> References: <8e7e4d1e4d.michael@talibard.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <8e7e4d1e4d.michael@talibard.com>, michael talibard wrote: > When using Dpling Scan, and adjusting the area to be scanned, one > moves those little handles (forgive me if I don't know the proper > names for things). As you approach the edge of the window, it > anticipates you and moves away. I can see the idea, of course, but in > my experience, it generally anticipates too soon and runs away > awfully fast. Are these matters adjustable? Essentially yes, because you can change the scale at which the preview is displayed by pressing Menu over the preview and picking a different scale factor. -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Dec 17 01:34:39 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Cf6sI-0006rR-Ox-0006s0."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 01:34:39 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Cf6sI-0006rR-Ox; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 01:25:43 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Cf6sI-0006rR-Ox; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 01:25:42 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Cf6sI-0003ey-EL; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 01:25:42 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Cf6s3-0003zU-9k; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 01:25:27 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iBH1P9j02668 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 01:25:09 GMT Received: from smarthost0.mail.uk.easynet.net (smarthost0.mail.uk.easynet.net [212.135.6.10]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iBH1P9T02662 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 01:25:09 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from bb-194-6-113-55.ukonline.co.uk ([194.6.113.55] helo=nails.norbins) by smarthost0.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 1Cf6rg-0006ZG-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 01:25:04 +0000 Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 19:17:47 +0000 (GMT) From: Jim Nagel Subject: Re: [softwarelist] scan preview window To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net In-Reply-To: <8e7e4d1e4d.michael@talibard.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: speaking for myself X-Return-Rcpt-To: jim@abbeypress.net X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,DATE_IN_PAST_06_12,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION, IN_REP_TO,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Thu 16 Dec, michael talibard wrote: > When using Dpling Scan, and adjusting the area > to be scanned, one moves those little handles ... funny you should mention this. here's another little problem i've had for some time with the preview window: the preview window comes out solid black when i try to scan lineart in black-and-white. i have to do the preview at 256 colours or something, adjust my area, and then reset to BW for the real scan. could it be that i have corrupted some internal file and need to restore it to some original setting? i have just upgraded from 1.18 to 1.21 but problem persists. -- Jim Nagel in somerset -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Dec 17 01:54:40 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Cf7Jy-00010P-M2-00010q."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 01:54:40 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Cf7Jy-00010P-M2; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 01:54:19 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Cf7Jy-00010P-M2; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 01:54:18 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Cf7Jy-0007cj-L9; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 01:54:18 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Cf7Jg-0007qJ-S5; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 01:54:00 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iBH1rs108274 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 01:53:54 GMT Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iBH1rqU08261 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 01:53:53 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Cf7JY-0004T2-7o for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 01:53:52 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 01:52:31 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] scan preview window References: <8e7e4d1e4d.michael@talibard.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >> When using Dpling Scan, and adjusting the area I took this at face value, as the discussion has gone on I think we may be talking about TWAIN drivers... >i've had for some time with the preview window: > the preview window comes out solid black when i Well you have to tell me a lot more, for a start is this a TWAIN driver you're talking about ;-) If so, then what sort of scanner and so on. The thing is with mark 2 TWAIN there are at least three predefined preview user scans. When you do a preview the appropriate user scan is used. They're user defined scans you can redefine them if you want. However the catch is that the BW preview should be defined as a grey scale scan. That is so the TWAIN driver can show you the effect of changing the threshold. So I'd begin by loading the BW preview and examining it's parameters. There are many other reasons usually involving advanced SCSI engineering why some scans may turn out all black. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Dec 18 13:38:30 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Cfbm9-0004in-Fq-0004jR."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 18 Dec 2004 13:38:30 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Cfbm9-0004in-Fq; Sat, 18 Dec 2004 10:25:27 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Cfbm9-0004in-Fq; Sat, 18 Dec 2004 10:25:25 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Cfbm9-0006gt-Ml; Sat, 18 Dec 2004 10:25:25 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Cfblv-0003Hm-6X; Sat, 18 Dec 2004 10:25:11 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iBIAOmp06734 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 18 Dec 2004 10:24:48 GMT Received: from mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.48]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iBIAOle06727 for ; Sat, 18 Dec 2004 10:24:47 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from dsl-80-41-166-104.access.uk.tiscali.com ([80.41.166.104]:10352 helo=dave) by mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Cfbkq-0005mq-QP for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 18 Dec 2004 10:24:04 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 10:25:01 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] PDF Message-ID: <4d1f2b8f0adfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03j (RISC-OS/4.39) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Using OvPro for Windows, I recently needed to re-create the doc in PDF form. I found a nice (Still under development) app called "PDFcreator" which did the business in an easy and uncomplicated way. If anyone else might have use for this... Homepage: http://www.pdfcreator.de.vu/ Or http://www.sourceforge.net/projects/pdfcreator/ Cheers Dave S -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Dec 18 13:58:26 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Cfewe-0001sn-KU-0001tG."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 18 Dec 2004 13:58:26 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Cfewe-0001sn-KU; Sat, 18 Dec 2004 13:48:29 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Cfewe-0001sn-KU; Sat, 18 Dec 2004 13:48:28 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Cfewe-0005pH-54; Sat, 18 Dec 2004 13:48:28 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CfewN-0004Qp-4Q; Sat, 18 Dec 2004 13:48:11 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iBIDlrV16533 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 18 Dec 2004 13:47:53 GMT Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iBIDlqP16526 for ; Sat, 18 Dec 2004 13:47:52 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Cfew4-0009B6-0P for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 18 Dec 2004 13:47:52 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 13:46:39 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] PDF References: <4d1f2b8f0adfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4d1f2b8f0adfs@ukgateway.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >I found a nice (Still under development) app called "PDFcreator" which did >the business in an easy and uncomplicated way. >Homepage: http://www.pdfcreator.de.vu/ >Or http://www.sourceforge.net/projects/pdfcreator/ The slow way is to use GhostScript possibly in combination with GSView, by the looks of it PDFCreator uses GhostScript but presumably removes a lot of the messing about. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Dec 21 16:24:43 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Cg1oG-0000lz-Ge-0000of."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 21 Dec 2004 16:24:43 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Cg1oG-0000lz-Ge; Sun, 19 Dec 2004 14:13:21 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Cg1oG-0000lz-Ge; Sun, 19 Dec 2004 14:13:20 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Cg1oF-0003De-Qs; Sun, 19 Dec 2004 14:13:19 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Cg1nl-0000el-4h; Sun, 19 Dec 2004 14:12:49 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iBJEC5N26482 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 19 Dec 2004 14:12:05 GMT Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iBJEC4r26478 for ; Sun, 19 Dec 2004 14:12:04 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Cg1n0-000OYW-Ko for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 19 Dec 2004 14:12:02 +0000 Message-ID: <7HHM91AkvYxBFwRv@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 14:10:44 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] DPScan Windows 12th Dec MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, Just a note that there is a new version of DPScan for Windows - 12th December version. http://www.davidpilling.net/dpscan.html The only major new thing is that when you save choices the size of the main window is also saved. I gather people with large screens don't like titchy windows opening in the middle. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Dec 21 16:24:47 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CgKCK-0006rE-AM-0006uO."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 21 Dec 2004 16:24:47 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CgKCK-0006rE-AM; Mon, 20 Dec 2004 09:51:25 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CgKCK-0006rE-AM; Mon, 20 Dec 2004 09:51:24 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CgKCJ-0005VN-VW; Mon, 20 Dec 2004 09:51:24 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CgKBx-0001TL-BW; Mon, 20 Dec 2004 09:51:01 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iBK9odI17108 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 20 Dec 2004 09:50:39 GMT Received: from smtp01.altohiway.com (smtp01.altohiway.com [195.12.4.238]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iBK9obY17093 for ; Mon, 20 Dec 2004 09:50:37 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from websrv.quantel.com (quantel-gw.hiway.co.uk [195.12.20.34] (may be forged)) by smtp01.altohiway.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBK9oY9p012250 for ; Mon, 20 Dec 2004 09:50:34 GMT In-Reply-To: To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] PDF MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 09:47:26 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > >I found a nice (Still under development) app called "PDFcreator" which did > >the business in an easy and uncomplicated way. > >Homepage: http://www.pdfcreator.de.vu/ > >Or http://www.sourceforge.net/projects/pdfcreator/ > > The slow way is to use GhostScript possibly in combination with GSView, > by the looks of it PDFCreator uses GhostScript but presumably removes a > lot of the messing about. > In the past I have used PDF995. It acts like a printer, but outputs a PDF file. So you just print to it from any application. It is available for free from http://www.pdf995.com/download.html The free version pops up an advert every time you run it. You can remove this by paying a small registration fee. Andy Ling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Dec 21 16:24:51 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CgRpN-0003lo-As-0003mT."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 21 Dec 2004 16:24:51 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CgRpN-0003lo-As; Mon, 20 Dec 2004 18:00:14 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CgRpN-0003lo-As; Mon, 20 Dec 2004 18:00:13 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CgRpN-0007kV-5X; Mon, 20 Dec 2004 18:00:13 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CgRp5-0002Db-H9; Mon, 20 Dec 2004 17:59:55 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iBKHxdd10721 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 20 Dec 2004 17:59:39 GMT Received: from colonsay.abel.net.uk (colonsay.abel.net.uk [195.72.113.15]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iBKHxcC10718 for ; Mon, 20 Dec 2004 17:59:38 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from iyonix.marshall.abelgratis.net (host213-1-33-169.webport.bt.net [213.1.33.169]) by colonsay.abel.net.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADA2315406F for ; Mon, 20 Dec 2004 17:59:35 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 17:59:18 GMT From: Alan Marshall To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] PDF Message-ID: <1fd25c204d.Alan@marshall.abelgratis.net> References: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.03b4 (MsgServe/2.16) (RISC-OS/5.08) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message Andy.Ling@quantel.com wrote: > > >I found a nice (Still under development) app called "PDFcreator" which > did > > >the business in an easy and uncomplicated way. > > >Homepage: http://www.pdfcreator.de.vu/ > > >Or http://www.sourceforge.net/projects/pdfcreator/ > > > > The slow way is to use GhostScript possibly in combination with GSView, > > by the looks of it PDFCreator uses GhostScript but presumably removes a > > lot of the messing about. > > > > In the past I have used PDF995. It acts like a printer, but outputs > a PDF file. So you just print to it from any application. > > It is available for free from http://www.pdf995.com/download.html > > The free version pops up an advert every time you run it. You can > remove this by paying a small registration fee. > > Andy Ling > The current issue of PCW has eXPert PDF2 on the cover disc which seems to work quite well. Regards, Alan. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Dec 21 22:14:58 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Cgs8W-0002jw-Hz-0002ke."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 21 Dec 2004 22:14:58 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Cgs8W-0002jw-Hz; Tue, 21 Dec 2004 22:05:45 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Cgs8W-0002jw-Hz; Tue, 21 Dec 2004 22:05:44 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Cgs8W-0001ed-Cf; Tue, 21 Dec 2004 22:05:44 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Cgs89-0007fT-JQ; Tue, 21 Dec 2004 22:05:21 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iBLM4rb12322 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 21 Dec 2004 22:04:53 GMT Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iBLM4r212319 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 2004 22:04:53 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Cgs7g-0005Wd-2f for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 21 Dec 2004 22:04:52 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 22:03:41 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] My Windows hints n tips References: <6.0.3.0.2.20041211095230.01e456e8@217.12.12.124> <4d1b928d96tony@cropp.demon.co.uk> <6.0.3.0.2.20041211202447.01e27e68@217.12.12.124> <703f231c4d.david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk> <4d1d31ec6atony@cropp.demon.co.uk> <$9BtTUGFDzvBFwS5@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <$9BtTUGFDzvBFwS5@pilling.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >From: Colin Wood One that's been puzzling me for some time with XP. Tried asking on a Windows ng and have looked in several books, but without success. When I open a window (directory), and move files in or out of it, the window sometimes updates itself, but another window opened might not (pressing f5 does force an update). Obviously (?) a switch somewhere, but how do I get it so that the window always updates itself? Could someone write a hint/tip? My own tip - when moving/copying files by dragging, always right drag it/them. On dropping in a new window, you are offered the option move/ copy/ cancel. Regards to all, -- _______________________ __ / / _ |. _ \ /_ _ _| / \__(_)||| ) \/\/(_)(_)(_| / StrongArm RiscPC _______________________________/ Select 4.39 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Dec 21 22:14:58 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Cgs9M-0005rE-3J-0005re."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 21 Dec 2004 22:14:58 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Cgs9M-0005rE-3J; Tue, 21 Dec 2004 22:06:36 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Cgs9M-0005rE-3J; Tue, 21 Dec 2004 22:06:36 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Cgs9L-0003bc-N8; Tue, 21 Dec 2004 22:06:35 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Cgs95-0003uC-Vg; Tue, 21 Dec 2004 22:06:19 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iBLM6FB12546 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 21 Dec 2004 22:06:15 GMT Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iBLM6FN12543 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 2004 22:06:15 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Cgs90-0005iK-1w for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 21 Dec 2004 22:06:14 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 22:05:05 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] PDF MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >From: Arnold van der Heijden > >I found a nice (Still under development) app called "PDFcreator" which did > >the business in an easy and uncomplicated way. > >Homepage: http://www.pdfcreator.de.vu/ > >Or http://www.sourceforge.net/projects/pdfcreator/ > > The slow way is to use GhostScript possibly in combination with GSView, > by the looks of it PDFCreator uses GhostScript but presumably removes a > lot of the messing about. Will Ovation for Windows in future be able to read and place pdf? -- Arnold Tekst & Uitleg Schaijk Netherlands op www.uitleg.nl Dienblad op www.dienblad.nl / Landerdsite op www.landerd.net Telefoon 0486-463112 / Fax 0486-463537 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Dec 21 22:34:59 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CgsXd-00070j-5b-00071l."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 21 Dec 2004 22:34:59 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CgsXd-00070j-5b; Tue, 21 Dec 2004 22:31:42 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CgsXd-00070j-5b; Tue, 21 Dec 2004 22:31:41 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CgsXd-00072H-H0; Tue, 21 Dec 2004 22:31:41 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CgsXJ-0004VV-PP; Tue, 21 Dec 2004 22:31:21 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iBLMVDl16487 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 21 Dec 2004 22:31:13 GMT Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iBLMVCA16483 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 2004 22:31:12 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CgsWi-000OFL-4Q for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 21 Dec 2004 22:30:44 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 22:29:50 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] My Windows hints n tips References: <6.0.3.0.2.20041211095230.01e456e8@217.12.12.124> <4d1b928d96tony@cropp.demon.co.uk> <6.0.3.0.2.20041211202447.01e27e68@217.12.12.124> <703f231c4d.david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk> <4d1d31ec6atony@cropp.demon.co.uk> <$9BtTUGFDzvBFwS5@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >When I open a window (directory), and move files in or out of it, the >window sometimes updates itself, but another window opened might not >(pressing f5 does force an update). I'd like to hear the solution to that. I find this effect with just one folder. "Shared Documents". That's not quite a normal folder. Sometimes I wonder if the connections to the RISC OS machines of that folder is the cause. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Dec 21 22:35:00 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CgsaE-0003nG-AW-0003na."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 21 Dec 2004 22:35:00 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CgsaE-0003nG-AW; Tue, 21 Dec 2004 22:34:23 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CgsaE-0003nG-AW; Tue, 21 Dec 2004 22:34:22 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CgsaE-0005Dz-2Y; Tue, 21 Dec 2004 22:34:22 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CgsZq-0005vd-9g; Tue, 21 Dec 2004 22:33:58 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iBLMXtj16849 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 21 Dec 2004 22:33:55 GMT Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iBLMXsY16846 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 2004 22:33:54 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CgsZm-000A42-15 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 21 Dec 2004 22:33:54 +0000 Message-ID: <1nuPl7LPSKyBFwLg@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 22:32:47 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] PDF References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Will Ovation for Windows in future be able to read and place pdf? There's quite a bit of scope for using GhostScript, for example EPS (and PS) files could easily be made to display something on screen, and on non-PS printers. Same applies to PDF's. So quite a lot could be achieved with little effort. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Dec 21 22:45:00 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CgsfT-0003fI-Pt-0003g1."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 21 Dec 2004 22:45:00 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CgsfT-0003fI-Pt; Tue, 21 Dec 2004 22:39:48 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CgsfT-0003fI-Pt; Tue, 21 Dec 2004 22:39:47 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CgsfS-0004Y7-Pp; Tue, 21 Dec 2004 22:39:46 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CgsfA-0005c5-Kw; Tue, 21 Dec 2004 22:39:28 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iBLMdLe17546 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 21 Dec 2004 22:39:21 GMT Received: from mailhost.netweaver.net (mailhost.netweaver.net [213.160.118.140]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with SMTP id iBLMdLN17543 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 2004 22:39:21 GMT Delivered-To: Received: (qmail 552 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2004 21:53:03 -0000 Received: from cpc6-hem12-4-0-cust123.lutn.cable.ntl.com (HELO Iyonix.sandford.ntlworld.com) (john@thesandfords.me.uk@213.107.176.123) by 0 with SMTP; 21 Dec 2004 21:53:03 -0000 Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 22:39:16 GMT From: To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] My Windows hints n tips Message-ID: <034afa204d.jms@sandford.ntlworld.com> References: <6.0.3.0.2.20041211095230.01e456e8@217.12.12.124> <4d1b928d96tony@cropp.demon.co.uk> <6.0.3.0.2.20041211202447.01e27e68@217.12.12.124> <703f231c4d.david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk> <4d1d31ec6atony@cropp.demon.co.uk> <$9BtTUGFDzvBFwS5@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: None User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.03b4 (MsgServe/2.16) (RISC-OS/5.08) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message David Pilling wrote: > >From: Colin Wood > > > One that's been puzzling me for some time with XP. Tried asking on a > Windows ng and have looked in several books, but without success. > > When I open a window (directory), and move files in or out of it, the > window sometimes updates itself, but another window opened might not > (pressing f5 does force an update). > > Obviously (?) a switch somewhere, but how do I get it so that the window > always updates itself? Could someone write a hint/tip? [snip] You probably need to set the "arrange icons" to "auto arrange" (use right mouse click for menu) John -- John Sandford West Herts UK Hemel Hempstead Risc OS User Group email info@hhrug.org -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Dec 22 14:41:30 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ch7Y8-0006nS-HS-0006oT."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 22 Dec 2004 14:41:30 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ch7Y8-0006nS-HS; Wed, 22 Dec 2004 14:33:13 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ch7Y8-0006nS-HS; Wed, 22 Dec 2004 14:33:12 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ch7Y8-0004Bj-5q; Wed, 22 Dec 2004 14:33:12 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Ch7Xf-0006jo-Eb; Wed, 22 Dec 2004 14:32:43 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iBMEWRk27443 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 22 Dec 2004 14:32:27 GMT Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iBMEWQ027434 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 2004 14:32:26 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Ch7Wa-000FBQ-GY for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 22 Dec 2004 14:31:36 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 14:30:47 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] PDF References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >From: Arnold van der Heijden > >Will Ovation for Windows in future be able to read and place pdf? > > There's quite a bit of scope for using GhostScript, for example EPS (and > PS) files could easily be made to display something on screen, and on > non-PS printers. Same applies to PDF's. > > So quite a lot could be achieved with little effort. But then the PDF has to be converted. We get more and more 'ready to use' pdf-advertisments which we have to convert from tiff to sprite (nore Riscript ore Acrobat does a good job when a bitmap is in the pdf) ore to Draw ore Artworks to import them into Ovation. How good it would be to be able to import pdf directly into our DTP-package. -- Arnold Tekst & Uitleg Schaijk Netherlands op www.uitleg.nl Dienblad op www.dienblad.nl / Landerdsite op www.landerd.net Telefoon 0486-463112 / Fax 0486-463537 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Dec 22 16:31:36 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ch9KQ-0004kW-5r-0004l8."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 22 Dec 2004 16:31:36 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ch9KQ-0004kW-5r; Wed, 22 Dec 2004 16:27:12 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ch9KQ-0004kW-5r; Wed, 22 Dec 2004 16:27:10 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ch9KQ-00008D-J9; Wed, 22 Dec 2004 16:27:10 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Ch9K0-0006vF-Sc; Wed, 22 Dec 2004 16:26:44 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iBMGQYt09789 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 22 Dec 2004 16:26:34 GMT Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iBMGQXG09785 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 2004 16:26:33 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Ch9Jo-0006dY-JY for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 22 Dec 2004 16:26:32 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 16:24:50 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] PDF References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >> So quite a lot could be achieved with little effort. >But then the PDF has to be converted. I meant that OP would handle the conversion automatically. >How good it would be to be able to import pdf directly into our >DTP-package. Another thing which is on the cards is Windows OLE. I'm not sure off hand about .pdf but that would allow many other formats to be imported directly. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk Wed Dec 22 16:41:36 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ch9Vn-0003dt-HZ-0003dw."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 22 Dec 2004 16:41:36 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ch9Vn-0003dt-HZ; Wed, 22 Dec 2004 16:38:55 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ch9Vn-0003dt-HZ for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 22 Dec 2004 16:38:55 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.92] (helo=anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ch9Vn-0000Ja-AY for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 22 Dec 2004 16:38:55 +0000 Received: from tenmagpies.demon.co.uk ([80.177.3.119] helo=iyonix.tenmagpies.demon.co.uk) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Ch9Vl-00036t-ET for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 22 Dec 2004 16:38:54 +0000 Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 16:39:30 GMT From: David W Mills To: opro@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: [softwarelist] PDF Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: tenmagpies User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.03b4 (MsgServe/2.16) (RISC-OS/5.08) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message you wrote: [snip] > > I meant that OP would handle the conversion automatically. > > >How good it would be to be able to import pdf directly into our > >DTP-package. > What about RISCOS version? David Mills [snip] -- From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Dec 22 17:01:38 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ch9po-0001wB-SZ-0001wy."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 22 Dec 2004 17:01:38 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ch9po-0001wB-SZ; Wed, 22 Dec 2004 16:59:37 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ch9po-0001wB-SZ; Wed, 22 Dec 2004 16:59:36 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ch9po-000311-La; Wed, 22 Dec 2004 16:59:36 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Ch9pY-0003Dq-7c; Wed, 22 Dec 2004 16:59:20 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iBMGx8Z18634 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 22 Dec 2004 16:59:08 GMT Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iBMGx7G18627 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 2004 16:59:07 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Ch9or-000HdY-3i; Wed, 22 Dec 2004 16:58:37 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 16:57:21 +0000 To: David W Mills , softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] PDF References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >What about RISCOS version? I think I'm right in saying the RISC OS version of GhostScript does not handle PDF's Many years ago I tried to talk Colin Granville into making changes to !PDF which would have made it possible to use it from other programs. I'm only saying this to point out we've been over the ground before. I'm no longer enthusiastic about such a project. I don't actually know if !PDF can work as an Acorn browser plug in? If so you'd be able to use PDFs in Techwriter. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Dec 22 17:41:39 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ChAQ2-0000Cr-Aa-0000DE."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 22 Dec 2004 17:41:39 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ChAQ2-0000Cr-Aa; Wed, 22 Dec 2004 17:37:02 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ChAQ2-0000Cr-Aa; Wed, 22 Dec 2004 17:37:02 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ChAQ2-0004V3-3J; Wed, 22 Dec 2004 17:37:02 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1ChAPn-0006cu-AQ; Wed, 22 Dec 2004 17:36:47 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iBMHacL29432 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 22 Dec 2004 17:36:38 GMT Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.190]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iBMHact29426 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 2004 17:36:38 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.207] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1ChAPd-00076c-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 22 Dec 2004 18:36:37 +0100 Received: from [62.180.24.57] (helo=bach) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1ChAPd-0006Ic-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 22 Dec 2004 18:36:37 +0100 Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 18:36:38 +0100 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] PDF Message-ID: <226b62214d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.03b4 (MsgServe/2.16) (RISC-OS/5.08) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message David Pilling wrote: > >What about RISCOS version? > > I think I'm right in saying the RISC OS version of GhostScript does not > handle PDF's No, that is wrong. It handles PDFs just fine, like any other version of GhostScript. You can use it from programs in precisely the same way as on other platforms. > Many years ago I tried to talk Colin Granville into making changes to > !PDF which would have made it possible to use it from other programs. For use by some other program GhostScript would probably be better because it handles more PDF files and it handles them better - it needs quite a bit more memory and processing power though. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Dec 22 18:51:43 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ChBSy-0005Hl-Fx-0005IS."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 22 Dec 2004 18:51:43 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ChBSy-0005Hl-Fx; Wed, 22 Dec 2004 18:44:09 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ChBSy-0005Hl-Fx; Wed, 22 Dec 2004 18:44:08 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ChBSy-0001CN-M5; Wed, 22 Dec 2004 18:44:08 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1ChBSY-0007jB-6D; Wed, 22 Dec 2004 18:43:42 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iBMIhXm16253 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 22 Dec 2004 18:43:33 GMT Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iBMIhWQ16243 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 2004 18:43:32 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1ChBSN-000Orp-Cl for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 22 Dec 2004 18:43:32 +0000 Message-ID: <5Vjs58F5$byBFw50@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 18:42:01 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] PDF References: <226b62214d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> In-Reply-To: <226b62214d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >For use by some other program GhostScript would probably be better >because it handles more PDF files and it handles them better - it needs >quite a bit more memory and processing power though. Thanks. That is interesting. So the way is open for someone to produce a 'transloader' that would let you drag a PDF into OP, Impression, Techwriter and transparently convert it into EPS with a preview. I know that is not ideal but it represents the most progress for the least effort. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Dec 22 22:21:53 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ChEiB-0005Pp-Jj-0005QT."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 22 Dec 2004 22:21:53 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ChEiB-0005Pp-Jj; Wed, 22 Dec 2004 22:12:04 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ChEiB-0005Pp-Jj; Wed, 22 Dec 2004 22:12:03 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ChEiA-00077Y-Sz; Wed, 22 Dec 2004 22:12:03 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1ChEhm-0008VX-Sj; Wed, 22 Dec 2004 22:11:38 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iBMMB7h29795 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 22 Dec 2004 22:11:07 GMT Received: from mailhost.wdi.co.uk (mailhost.wdi.co.uk [62.72.160.3]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iBMMB6M29786 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 2004 22:11:06 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [192.168.1.198] ([62.72.190.18]) by mailhost.wdi.co.uk (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iBMM5NZj015871; Wed, 22 Dec 2004 22:05:47 GMT In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <69DBF4FE-5463-11D9-8B9E-000D932A4232@idrsolutions.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark stephens Subject: Re: [softwarelist] PDF Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 21:49:53 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT_APPLEMAIL autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 22 Dec 2004, at 14:30, David Pilling wrote: > >From: Arnold van der Heijden > >> >Will Ovation for Windows in future be able to read and place pdf? >> >> There's quite a bit of scope for using GhostScript, for example EPS >> (and >> PS) files could easily be made to display something on screen, and on >> non-PS printers. Same applies to PDF's. >> >> So quite a lot could be achieved with little effort. > > But then the PDF has to be converted. We get more and more 'ready to > use' pdf-advertisments which we have to convert from tiff to sprite > (nore Riscript ore Acrobat does a good job when a bitmap is in the > pdf) ore to Draw ore Artworks to import them into Ovation. How good it > would be to be able to import pdf directly into our DTP-package. > PDF was designed as an output format and while it 'looks' right it lacks a lot of the internal structure you would need. Inside its a set of Postscript draw commands (which may be in any old order). There is no concept of spaces, paragraphs of text structure. So it would not be realistically possible to edit the PDF but they could be imported in the same way a graphic is. Regards, MArk mark@idrsolutions.com +44 (0)1622 871394 www.idrsolutions.com ------------------------------------------------------------------ IDRsolutions specialises in PDF extraction and viewing solutions. Jpedal - the Java PDF Extraction Development Access Library for building PDF solutions with Java. Storypad for intelligent extraction and repurposing of text and graphics from PDF. This e-mail is from IDRsolutions. The information in this e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Views or opinions expressed by an individual within this e-mail may not necessarily reflect the views of IDRsolutions. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Dec 22 22:41:54 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ChF1c-0006x0-4W-0006xP."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 22 Dec 2004 22:41:54 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ChF1c-0006x0-4W; Wed, 22 Dec 2004 22:32:09 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ChF1c-0006x0-4W; Wed, 22 Dec 2004 22:32:08 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ChF1c-0004uQ-4K; Wed, 22 Dec 2004 22:32:08 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1ChF1O-0006in-1j; Wed, 22 Dec 2004 22:31:54 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iBMMVaV02604 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 22 Dec 2004 22:31:36 GMT Received: from mk-smarthost-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.40]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iBMMVZ302596 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 2004 22:31:35 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from dsl-80-41-224-52.access.uk.tiscali.com ([80.41.224.52]:10302 helo=dave) by mk-smarthost-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1ChF16-000KVX-Qf for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 22 Dec 2004 22:31:36 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 22:31:31 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Font ? Message-ID: <4d217d6a6fdfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03j (RISC-OS/4.39) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I have a font installed on this RO machine called Ornamental, from whence it came I know not, but possibly a Beebug mag disk. Once upon a time I also had its MS-Windows version, but that's long since vanished. I would like to be able to continue using it in my OvPro docs on the Win PC. Question is how can I find a copy to install and use with Win Ovpro. I've done some Googling, but can't seem to find this actual one. I have posted a Snapshot of a few character on one of my sites, if anyone things they might have some ideas. http://www.dfs.ukgateway.net/daves/stuff/font.zip Cheers Dave S -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Dec 23 13:34:37 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ChPX4-0000jw-CO-0000kT."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 13:34:37 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ChPX4-0000jw-CO; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 09:45:20 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ChPX4-0000jw-CO; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 09:45:18 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ChPX4-000250-He; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 09:45:18 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1ChPWb-0007uQ-TF; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 09:44:49 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iBN9i8T18562 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 09:44:08 GMT Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.191]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iBN9i7s18553 for ; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 09:44:07 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.162] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1ChPVv-000460-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 10:44:07 +0100 Received: from [62.180.25.72] (helo=bach) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1ChPVt-0005ho-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 10:44:05 +0100 Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 10:43:58 +0100 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] PDF Message-ID: References: <69DBF4FE-5463-11D9-8B9E-000D932A4232@idrsolutions.com> In-Reply-To: <69DBF4FE-5463-11D9-8B9E-000D932A4232@idrsolutions.com> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.03b4 (MsgServe/2.16) (RISC-OS/5.08) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <69DBF4FE-5463-11D9-8B9E-000D932A4232@idrsolutions.com> Mark stephens wrote: > On 22 Dec 2004, at 14:30, David Pilling wrote: > > > >From: Arnold van der Heijden > > > > > > Will Ovation for Windows in future be able to read and place pdf? > >> > > > There's quite a bit of scope for using GhostScript, for example EPS > > > (and PS) files could easily be made to display something on screen, > > > and on non-PS printers. Same applies to PDF's. > >> > > > So quite a lot could be achieved with little effort. > > > > But then the PDF has to be converted. We get more and more 'ready to > > use' pdf-advertisments which we have to convert from tiff to sprite > > (nore Riscript ore Acrobat does a good job when a bitmap is in the > > pdf) ore to Draw ore Artworks to import them into Ovation. How good it > > would be to be able to import pdf directly into our DTP-package. > > PDF was designed as an output format and while it 'looks' right it > lacks a lot of the internal structure you would need. Inside its a set > of Postscript draw commands (which may be in any old order). > > There is no concept of spaces, paragraphs of text structure. > > So it would not be realistically possible to edit the PDF but they > could be imported in the same way a graphic is. ... which is what Arnold asked for. He did not want to edit the PDF, just put it in a graphics frame. This may not be too obvious from the above paragraph in which he asked "to be able to import pdf directly", but from his first request, further above, which is "to read and place pdf". Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Dec 23 13:34:38 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ChPtP-0003rK-Cv-0003sZ."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 13:34:38 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ChPtP-0003rK-Cv; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 10:08:24 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ChPtP-0003rK-Cv; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 10:08:23 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ChPtO-0006LB-MH; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 10:08:22 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1ChPt4-0000EM-6o; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 10:08:02 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iBNA7YX23825 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 10:07:34 GMT Received: from smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.7]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iBNA7YP23822 for ; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 10:07:34 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from riscpc.WORKGROUP ([82.33.104.7]) by smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 23 Dec 2004 10:08:04 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tony Cropper To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 10:02:54 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] My Windows hints n tips Message-ID: <4d21bcb6bdtony@cropp.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <6.0.3.0.2.20041211095230.01e456e8@217.12.12.124> <4d1b928d96tony@cropp.demon.co.uk> <6.0.3.0.2.20041211202447.01e27e68@217.12.12.124> <703f231c4d.david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk> <4d1d31ec6atony@cropp.demon.co.uk> <$9BtTUGFDzvBFwS5@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.37) Content-Type: text/plain X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Dec 2004 10:08:04.0225 (UTC) FILETIME=[4AB5AF10:01C4E8D7] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , > >From: Colin Wood > When I open a window (directory), and move files in or out of it, the > window sometimes updates itself, but another window opened might not > (pressing f5 does force an update). Can you be any more specific about when this happens? Are you moving files about over a network or is this happening when you are moving files about on the pc? Is the Risc machine involved? Is it repeatable? Does it happen when you move the files or just when you copy? Is it between discs or on the same disc? What operating system(s) are you using? > Obviously (?) a switch somewhere, but how do I get it so that the window > always updates itself? Could someone write a hint/tip? You are bound to be right. The funny thing is how not everyone has a problem with this and those who do, don't report the same problem. > My own tip - when moving/copying files by dragging, always right drag > it/them. On dropping in a new window, you are offered the option move/ > copy/ cancel. Nice, it is sad that windows is inconsistent about dragging and dropping files. It copies when drag-n-dropping a file between discs and moves when doing the same between folders on one disc, so stupid. Shift-drag will move files between discs and cntrl-drag will copy files between folders on the same disc...so now we're all even more confused! 'Shift' shifts files and 'Control' 'C'opies. -- tony cropper bristol uk Email: tony@cropp.demon.co.uk Web: http://www.cropp.demon.co.uk/ BARUG: http://www.barug.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Dec 23 14:34:32 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ChTzn-0001cx-NH-0001eV."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 14:34:32 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ChTzn-0001cx-NH; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 14:31:17 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ChTzn-0001cx-NH; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 14:31:15 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ChTzm-0007CS-Ue; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 14:31:15 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1ChTzP-00062A-Pj; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 14:30:51 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iBNEUED25788 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 14:30:14 GMT Received: from sally.dts-online.net (sally.dts-online.net [212.62.69.126]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iBNEUDC25781 for ; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 14:30:13 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from uff411.ucs.de (213-182-120-2.teleos-web.de [213.182.120.2]) by sally.dts-online.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 1F80C2F2F9D for ; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 15:30:08 +0100 (CET) Received: from kaskaskia.ucs.de ([192.168.202.184]) by uff411.ucs.de; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 15:30:13 +0100 Received: from martinv by kaskaskia.ucs.de with local (RemoteNB 1.53beta2) for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; 23 Dec 2004 15:30:12 +0100 Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 15:30:02 +0100 From: Martin Vethake To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Font ? References: <4d217d6a6fdfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4d217d6a6fdfs@ukgateway.net> X-Organization: U C S User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60 (RemoteNB/1.53beta2) (RISC-OS/3.70) X-Editor: Zap 1.45 (06 Nov 2002), ZapEmail 0.26 (03 Nov 2002) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: <20041223143008.1F80C2F2F9D@sally.dts-online.net> Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4d217d6a6fdfs@ukgateway.net> you wrote: > I have a font installed on this RO machine called Ornamental, from whence > it came I know not, but possibly a Beebug mag disk. > > Once upon a time I also had its MS-Windows version, but that's long since > vanished. > > I would like to be able to continue using it in my OvPro docs on the Win > PC. > > Question is how can I find a copy to install and use with Win Ovpro. > > I've done some Googling, but can't seem to find this actual one. > There are ooodles of fonts which look 'somehow' like Yours, but that probably does not help. If You *really* want to get the font to Your PC, I'd suggest You look here: http://fontforge.sourceforge.net/ > I have posted a Snapshot of a few character on one of my sites, if anyone > things they might have some ideas. > > http://www.dfs.ukgateway.net/daves/stuff/font.zip > Nice font... Regards -- Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Dec 23 14:44:32 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ChUBa-0003JV-EJ-0003KN."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 14:44:32 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ChUBa-0003JV-EJ; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 14:43:27 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ChUBa-0003JV-EJ; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 14:43:26 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ChUBa-0005Fa-7F; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 14:43:26 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1ChUBJ-0001vB-Eu; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 14:43:09 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iBNEgdw28608 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 14:42:39 GMT Received: from sally.dts-online.net (sally.dts-online.net [212.62.69.126]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iBNEgdV28604 for ; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 14:42:39 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from uff411.ucs.de (213-182-120-2.teleos-web.de [213.182.120.2]) by sally.dts-online.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 72C3A3C37CD for ; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 15:42:38 +0100 (CET) Received: from kaskaskia.ucs.de ([192.168.202.184]) by uff411.ucs.de; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 15:42:45 +0100 Received: from martinv by kaskaskia.ucs.de with local (RemoteNB 1.53beta2) for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; 23 Dec 2004 15:42:44 +0100 Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 15:42:34 +0100 From: Martin Vethake To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] PDF References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: U C S User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60 (RemoteNB/1.53beta2) (RISC-OS/3.70) X-Editor: Zap 1.45 (06 Nov 2002), ZapEmail 0.26 (03 Nov 2002) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: <20041223144238.72C3A3C37CD@sally.dts-online.net> Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message you wrote: > >From: Arnold van der Heijden [snip] > Will Ovation for Windows in future be able to read and place pdf? > Oh well, I admit it, I'm no friend of PDF. Really, beats me why people would want to put documents into documents using the most goofed-up format on earth. I'll try to spare all of you the details, but this one gives me cramps. Arnold, beat the hell out of people who provide You with illustrations et al in PDF. There's PNG and SVG and good riddance with all the other crap. So there, where's the valium... Regards -- Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Dec 23 21:41:40 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ChXsP-0004ot-Av-0004pP."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 21:41:40 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ChXsP-0004ot-Av; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 18:39:54 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ChXsP-0004ot-Av; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 18:39:53 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ChXsP-0007A4-5s; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 18:39:53 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1ChXrv-00056U-EH; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 18:39:23 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iBNIcwG20435 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 18:38:58 GMT Received: from mk-smarthost-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.40]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iBNIcvD20426 for ; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 18:38:58 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from dsl-80-41-155-167.access.uk.tiscali.com ([80.41.155.167]:10034 helo=dave) by mk-smarthost-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1ChXrW-000AhN-Az for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 18:38:58 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 18:35:05 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Font ? Message-ID: <4d21eb9ae1dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <20041223143008.1F80C2F2F9D@sally.dts-online.net> References: <4d217d6a6fdfs@ukgateway.net> <20041223143008.1F80C2F2F9D@sally.dts-online.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03j (RISC-OS/4.39) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <20041223143008.1F80C2F2F9D@sally.dts-online.net>, Martin Vethake wrote: > In message <4d217d6a6fdfs@ukgateway.net> you wrote: > > I have a font installed on this RO machine called Ornamental, from > > whence it came I know not, but possibly a Beebug mag disk. [Snip] > > > There are ooodles of fonts which look 'somehow' like Yours, but that > probably does not help. If You *really* want to get the font to Your PC, > I'd suggest You look here: http://fontforge.sourceforge.net/ > > I have posted a Snapshot of a few character on one of my sites, if > > anyone things they might have some ideas. > > > > http://www.dfs.ukgateway.net/daves/stuff/font.zip > > > Nice font... > Regards Thanks for the note Martin. The problem has now been sorted. Cheers Dave S -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Dec 23 21:51:37 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Chaos-0000KF-Q7-0000Kg."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 21:51:37 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Chaos-0000KF-Q7; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 21:48:26 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Chaos-0000KF-Q7; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 21:48:26 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Chaor-0004kC-Sd; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 21:48:26 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1ChaoS-0004hh-Qo; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 21:48:00 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iBNLlg624356 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 21:47:42 GMT Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iBNLlfQ24349 for ; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 21:47:42 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1ChanJ-000PDY-J0 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 21:46:50 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 21:46:09 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] My Windows hints n tips References: <6.0.3.0.2.20041211095230.01e456e8@217.12.12.124> <4d1b928d96tony@cropp.demon.co.uk> <6.0.3.0.2.20041211202447.01e27e68@217.12.12.124> <703f231c4d.david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk> <4d1d31ec6atony@cropp.demon.co.uk> <$9BtTUGFDzvBFwS5@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4d21bcb6bdtony@cropp.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4d21bcb6bdtony@cropp.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >From: Colin Wood In article <4d21bcb6bdtony@cropp.demon.co.uk>, Tony Cropper wrote: > In article , > > >From: Colin Wood > > When I open a window (directory), and move files in or out of it, the > > window sometimes updates itself, but another window opened might not > > (pressing f5 does force an update). > Can you be any more specific about when this happens? Are you > moving files about over a network or is this happening when you are > moving files about on the pc? on the pc. > Is the Risc machine involved? no. > Is it repeatable? iirc, once it has happened within a directory (folder), it always happens within that directory and its subdirectories. As I primarily use my pc for downloading and storing photographs, I'm seldom using other than a directory that I've called SharedPics. It is shared by all (ie both) users. DP suggests above that shared docs directory is not a normal directory: maybe the same applies here. But the frustrating thing is that some directories (and their subdirectories) within SharedPics behave normally, ie update themselves without the use of f5 to force an update. > Does it happen when you move the files or just when you copy? both - and also when renaming a directory or a file, and after sending to the recycle bin. So if you're not careful, you can view a picture in the directory which (picture) has in fact been binned and is there no longer. Can cause some confusion! Also happens when making a new directory. > Is it between discs or on the same disc? have only used 'on the same disc' (see above) > What operating system(s) are you using? XP home edition > > Obviously (?) a switch somewhere, but how do I get it so that the > > window always updates itself? Could someone write a hint/tip? > You are bound to be right. The funny thing is how not everyone has a > problem with this and those who do, don't report the same problem. Another tip. Sometimes when I opened a directory (in my SharedPics directory), each file (picture) in it would have its name; at other times, there were no names. The switch which toggles this is holding SHIFT down when opening the directory. Simple when you know - but how are you meant to know? (There's prob. just as simple a solution for the updating problem above). Regards to all, -- _______________________ __ / / _ |. _ \ /_ _ _| / \__(_)||| ) \/\/(_)(_)(_| / StrongArm RiscPC _______________________________/ Select 4.39 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Dec 23 22:11:38 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Chb6y-00065E-Bz-00066u."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 22:11:38 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Chb6y-00065E-Bz; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 22:07:09 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Chb6y-00065E-Bz; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 22:07:08 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Chb6y-0006QV-Gb; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 22:07:08 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Chb6a-0008Ig-3l; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 22:06:44 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iBNM6aN27134 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 22:06:36 GMT Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iBNM6ZR27131 for ; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 22:06:35 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Chb6R-0006e9-JM for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 22:06:35 +0000 Message-ID: <6bbM6eCbE0yBFwoe@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 22:05:15 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] My Windows hints n tips References: <6.0.3.0.2.20041211095230.01e456e8@217.12.12.124> <4d1b928d96tony@cropp.demon.co.uk> <6.0.3.0.2.20041211202447.01e27e68@217.12.12.124> <703f231c4d.david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk> <4d1d31ec6atony@cropp.demon.co.uk> <$9BtTUGFDzvBFwS5@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4d21bcb6bdtony@cropp.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >> Can you be any more specific about when this happens? Are you >> moving files about over a network or is this happening when you are >> moving files about on the pc? I've done some more playing today. Firstly the Acorns have not been turned on and the effect is still present, so rule out network connections. When I first turned the machine on operations on Shared Documents were displayed correctly. When I tried a few hours later the first operation did not update the window for about 30 seconds. After that I just gave up waiting, i.e. many minutes delay if ever. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Dec 24 13:47:22 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Chmcc-0004Ph-AY-0004Q3."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 13:47:22 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Chmcc-0004Ph-AY; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 10:24:35 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Chmcc-0004Ph-AY; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 10:24:34 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Chmcc-0000sm-1E; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 10:24:34 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Chmc8-0002F1-Nd; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 10:24:04 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iBOANdO21714 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 10:23:39 GMT Received: from mk-smarthost-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.40]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iBOANc121709 for ; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 10:23:38 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from dsl-80-41-211-147.access.uk.tiscali.com ([80.41.211.147]:10284 helo=dave) by mk-smarthost-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Chmbi-000G7Q-Ky for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 10:23:38 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 10:21:38 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Font ? Message-ID: <4d224243bcdfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4d21eb9ae1dfs@ukgateway.net> References: <4d217d6a6fdfs@ukgateway.net> <20041223143008.1F80C2F2F9D@sally.dts-online.net> <4d21eb9ae1dfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03j (RISC-OS/4.39) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4d21eb9ae1dfs@ukgateway.net>, Dave Symes wrote: [Snip] > The problem has now been sorted. Yes the Ornamental problem is sorted, but I've just noted another small problem. Quite a lot of our OvPro (RO) documents use the "Revue" font, and while I don't have plain Revue on the Xp machine, I do have Revue-Thin, so on the XP-PC I've mapped the RO Revue to the TTF Revue-Thin, and that works okay. However in the reverse direction, docs created in the Windows OvPro, when brought in to RO OvPro do a bog job substitution. So what I need to know is this. Does the RISC OS version of OvPro (2.75) have a facility do Font mapping like its MS-Win sibling? Or is there some other way under Ro it can be accomplished? Best wishes for christmas and the new year to all the nice folks among you. Dave S -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Dec 24 13:47:22 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Chmch-0001Am-HA-0001Ba."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 13:47:22 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Chmch-0001Am-HA; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 10:24:40 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Chmch-0001Am-HA; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 10:24:39 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Chmch-0000dl-4l; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 10:24:39 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Chmc9-0002cY-Er; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 10:24:05 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iBOANeG21724 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 10:23:40 GMT Received: from mk-smarthost-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.40]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iBOANdf21718 for ; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 10:23:39 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from dsl-80-41-211-147.access.uk.tiscali.com ([80.41.211.147]:10284 helo=dave) by mk-smarthost-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Chmbj-000G7Q-TS for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 10:23:39 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 10:23:56 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Font ? Message-ID: <4d2242799edfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <20041223143008.1F80C2F2F9D@sally.dts-online.net> References: <4d217d6a6fdfs@ukgateway.net> <20041223143008.1F80C2F2F9D@sally.dts-online.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03j (RISC-OS/4.39) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <20041223143008.1F80C2F2F9D@sally.dts-online.net>, Martin Vethake wrote: > > > There are ooodles of fonts which look 'somehow' like Yours, but that > probably does not help. If You *really* want to get the font to Your > PC, I'd suggest You look here: > http://fontforge.sourceforge.net/ Thanks for the link Martin, though I went there and had a look, but couldn't make head 'nor tails of what was there. Cheers Dave S -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Dec 24 13:47:25 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ChnAY-0002aL-Gf-0002b9."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 13:47:25 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ChnAY-0002aL-Gf; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 10:59:39 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ChnAY-0002aL-Gf; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 10:59:38 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ChnAX-000758-W7; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 10:59:38 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1ChnAA-00051s-1K; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 10:59:14 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iBOAx6c31433 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 10:59:06 GMT Received: from smtpq1.home.nl (smtpq1.home.nl [213.51.128.196]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iBOAx6A31430 for ; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 10:59:06 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [213.51.128.133] (port=38835 helo=smtp2.home.nl) by smtpq1.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1ChnA1-0005EG-Ud for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 11:59:05 +0100 Received: from cp418204-a.dbsch1.nb.home.nl ([84.27.69.179]:55232 helo=padua) by smtp2.home.nl with smtp (Exim 4.30) id 1ChnA0-0004F5-UQ for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 11:59:04 +0100 Message-ID: <000c01c4e9a7$97891450$6502a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: "Ovation Pro" References: <4d217d6a6fdfs@ukgateway.net> <20041223143008.1F80C2F2F9D@sally.dts-online.net> <4d21eb9ae1dfs@ukgateway.net> <4d224243bcdfs@ukgateway.net> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Font ? Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 11:59:02 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-AtHome-MailScanner-Information: Neem contact op met support@home.nl voor meer informatie X-AtHome-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Friday, December 24, 2004 11:21 AM , Dave Symes wrote: > In article <4d21eb9ae1dfs@ukgateway.net>, > Dave Symes wrote: > > [Snip] > >> The problem has now been sorted. > > Yes the Ornamental problem is sorted, but I've just noted another > small problem. > > Quite a lot of our OvPro (RO) documents use the "Revue" font, and > while I don't have plain Revue on the Xp machine, I do have > Revue-Thin, so on the XP-PC I've mapped the RO Revue to the TTF > Revue-Thin, and that works okay. I assume the TT font Revue Thin or the Type1 font Revue-Thin ... In OPW fontmenu the Type1 shows a red a, the TrueType a TT and an OpenType an O. BTW OpenType is in general a TrueType with special features. > > However in the reverse direction, docs created in the Windows OvPro, > when brought in to RO OvPro do a bog job substitution. > > So what I need to know is this. > > Does the RISC OS version of OvPro (2.75) have a facility do Font > mapping like its MS-Win sibling? No. You can do it all in OPW. By not only using a fontmap line, but also a fontignore line. FontManager-->Fontignore-->New And pick the Revue-Thin (when it is a Type1) or revue Thin when it is a TrueType. Keep your fontmap rule. Look at the fontmenu in OPW and you see that the Revue entry is 'italic'. Now you have a dpd, which can be used in OPW and OPRO. Save the doc, and look at Applets-->FontList. With the 'itlaic' entry it says: Revue Without the 'itlaic' entry (and without fontignore) FontList says: Revue-Thin or Revue Thin. And OPRO strumbles about that. All entries in 'italic' can be safely used for doc's that can be used in OPRO and OPW. Editing included. As long as you don't use any of the not-italic entries. Except for a entry like SymbolB or DPDings - with the exact equivalent in naming in RISC OS. For fonts, that you use often you also can create a script, that you only run when needed. For your Revue it would look like this: ------------------ void main(void) { fontignore("Revue-Thin",0); fontignorestate(1); fontmap("Revue","Revue","Revue",0,"Revue-Thin","",0,0); fontmapstate(1); forcefontschange(); } --------------------- save it e.g. as Revue-map.csc. When you need it, you only have to double-click on it. You can even do this when you already have loaded the doc in OPW with 'temporary substitution'. I myself have made several and have stored them in Stationary in their own folder, which I have called 'fontmaps'. You also don't need to install the font in Control Panel-->Fonts to be able to use it. Just double-click on the .pfm file (if it is a Type1) or on the .tt file in a file folder is sufficient. A 'show font' window is opened, showing the font. You can minimise it. As long as it is open, the font is temporary installed and can also be used by OPW. > Best wishes for christmas and the new year to all the nice folks > among you. Same to you, Tonnie -- Mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Dec 24 13:47:27 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ChnW4-0003mT-M5-0003nA."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 13:47:27 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ChnW4-0003mT-M5; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 11:21:53 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ChnW4-0003mT-M5; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 11:21:52 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ChnW4-0005F7-Is; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 11:21:52 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1ChnVf-0005SW-MD; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 11:21:27 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iBOBLIC03645 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 11:21:18 GMT Received: from sally.dts-online.net (sally.dts-online.net [212.62.69.126]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iBOBLHP03641 for ; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 11:21:17 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from uff411.ucs.de (212-62-83-191.teleos-web.de [212.62.83.191]) by sally.dts-online.net (Postfix) with SMTP id EA43D25C1D3 for ; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 12:21:12 +0100 (CET) Received: from kaskaskia.ucs.de ([192.168.202.184]) by uff411.ucs.de; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 12:21:18 +0100 Received: from martinv by kaskaskia.ucs.de with local (RemoteNB 1.53beta2) for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; 24 Dec 2004 12:21:17 +0100 Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 12:21:07 +0100 From: Martin Vethake To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Font ? References: <4d217d6a6fdfs@ukgateway.net> <20041223143008.1F80C2F2F9D@sally.dts-online.net> <4d2242799edfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4d2242799edfs@ukgateway.net> X-Organization: U C S User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60 (RemoteNB/1.53beta2) (RISC-OS/3.70) X-Editor: Zap 1.45 (06 Nov 2002), ZapEmail 0.26 (03 Nov 2002) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: <20041224112112.EA43D25C1D3@sally.dts-online.net> Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4d2242799edfs@ukgateway.net> you wrote: > In article <20041223143008.1F80C2F2F9D@sally.dts-online.net>, > Martin Vethake wrote: > > > > > There are ooodles of fonts which look 'somehow' like Yours, but that > > probably does not help. If You *really* want to get the font to Your > > PC, I'd suggest You look here: > > http://fontforge.sourceforge.net/ > > > Thanks for the link Martin, though I went there and had a look, but > couldn't make head 'nor tails of what was there. > Oops, sorry should have switched to verbose mode. FontForge is an open-source Font-Editor/Converter. Mentioned on the above page is a 'companion program' acorn2sfd which can turn (most) RISC OS fonts into something FontForge understands (sfd). From there You can save it as TrueType or Type1. Yes, it is a bit of an inconvenience but if it works You get an exact version of Your Acorn font ready for Mac, LINUX, Windows, whatever. Nice, 'innit? Regards -- Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Dec 24 13:57:09 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Chpvg-0001oc-LG-0001p5."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 13:57:09 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Chpvg-0001oc-LG; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 13:56:29 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Chpvg-0001oc-LG; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 13:56:28 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Chpvg-0005NZ-Dk; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 13:56:28 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1ChpvQ-0007dG-6L; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 13:56:12 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iBODtus09352 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 13:55:56 GMT Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iBODtuP09349 for ; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 13:55:56 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Chpv9-0002vn-Lp for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 13:55:55 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 13:54:52 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] My Windows hints n tips References: <6.0.3.0.2.20041211095230.01e456e8@217.12.12.124> <4d1b928d96tony@cropp.demon.co.uk> <6.0.3.0.2.20041211202447.01e27e68@217.12.12.124> <703f231c4d.david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk> <4d1d31ec6atony@cropp.demon.co.uk> <$9BtTUGFDzvBFwS5@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4d21bcb6bdtony@cropp.demon.co.uk> <6bbM6eCbE0yBFwoe@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <6bbM6eCbE0yBFwoe@pilling.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >displayed correctly. When I tried a few hours later the first operation >did not update the window for about 30 seconds. After that I just gave >up waiting, i.e. many minutes delay if ever. Googling reveals that problems with Windows Explorer updating go back to Win '95. There are various registry tweeks, I've tried some of them with no luck, and this makes me think they probably address problems which have now been fixed. It occurs to me this is probably the only folder I have with sharing enabled. So I'll turn that off and see if anything changes. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Dec 24 14:17:11 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Chq9Q-0003Do-Iq-0003EU."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 14:17:11 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Chq9Q-0003Do-Iq; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 14:10:41 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Chq9Q-0003Do-Iq; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 14:10:40 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Chq9Q-0006zJ-LF; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 14:10:40 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Chq8z-0001fj-PJ; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 14:10:13 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iBOEA7B12078 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 14:10:07 GMT Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iBOEA7812075 for ; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 14:10:07 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Chq8s-0005DJ-M9 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 14:10:06 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 14:08:51 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Font ? References: <4d217d6a6fdfs@ukgateway.net> <20041223143008.1F80C2F2F9D@sally.dts-online.net> <4d21eb9ae1dfs@ukgateway.net> <4d224243bcdfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4d224243bcdfs@ukgateway.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Does the RISC OS version of OvPro (2.75) have a facility do Font mapping >like its MS-Win sibling? No. The font map you set up on Windows should be able to do all the work. It can contain the font name you want storing in documents, that name is the same as the one Ovation running on RISC OS complains is missing. Ovation Pro on Windows lets you set up font replace rules and font maps. The replace rules are permanent changes and if you've used one of those the name of the font in the document will be the same as the Windows font name. However font maps let you keep the RISC OS font names. It turns out it is possible to do all sorts of clever things with font names using the font manager in OP Windows. For example changing font names (ignore the original font, set up a replace from the original to the new font name, load, save). -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Dec 24 19:27:27 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Chuy7-0005IH-5N-0005IZ."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 19:27:27 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Chuy7-0005IH-5N; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 19:19:20 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Chuy7-0005IH-5N; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 19:19:19 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Chuy7-0000H7-Gg; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 19:19:19 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Chuxd-0004MM-96; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 19:18:49 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iBOJIPl10800 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 19:18:25 GMT Received: from mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.39]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iBOJIO810797 for ; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 19:18:24 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from dsl-80-41-130-88.access.uk.tiscali.com ([80.41.130.88]:10624 helo=dave) by mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1ChuxC-0008vm-7C for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 19:18:22 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 18:58:58 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Font ? Message-ID: <4d2271a0c3dfs@ukgateway.net> References: <4d217d6a6fdfs@ukgateway.net> <20041223143008.1F80C2F2F9D@sally.dts-online.net> <4d21eb9ae1dfs@ukgateway.net> <4d224243bcdfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Pluto/3.03j (RISC-OS/4.39) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , David Pilling wrote: > >Does the RISC OS version of OvPro (2.75) have a facility do Font mapping > >like its MS-Win sibling? > No. > The font map you set up on Windows should be able to do all the work. It > can contain the font name you want storing in documents, that name is > the same as the one Ovation running on RISC OS complains is missing. > Ovation Pro on Windows lets you set up font replace rules and font maps. > The replace rules are permanent changes and if you've used one of those > the name of the font in the document will be the same as the Windows > font name. However font maps let you keep the RISC OS font names. > It turns out it is possible to do all sorts of clever things with font > names using the font manager in OP Windows. For example changing font > names (ignore the original font, set up a replace from the original to > the new font name, load, save). Sorry, taking a lot of Meds ATM, so brain not in good order. My first reaction was... Yes thank you David, I had one and the wheel came off. ;-) However, I just went to the XP machine and did what seemed was required in the Font manager, and it worked. Thanks David, best wishes for Christmas, and mostly thanks for your continued efforts on the software front. Cheers Dave S -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Dec 24 19:37:27 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Chv95-00072K-MT-00072m."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 19:37:27 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Chv95-00072K-MT; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 19:30:40 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Chv95-00072K-MT; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 19:30:39 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Chv95-0007Xl-Oe; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 19:30:39 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Chv8r-0004eR-Q5; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 19:30:25 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iBOJUG013432 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 19:30:16 GMT Received: from mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.48]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iBOJUGn13428 for ; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 19:30:16 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from dsl-80-41-130-88.access.uk.tiscali.com ([80.41.130.88]:10681 helo=dave) by mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Chv7y-0008pj-7g for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 19:29:30 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 19:30:30 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Font ? Message-ID: <4d227483b7dfs@ukgateway.net> References: <4d217d6a6fdfs@ukgateway.net> <20041223143008.1F80C2F2F9D@sally.dts-online.net> <4d2242799edfs@ukgateway.net> <20041224112112.EA43D25C1D3@sally.dts-online.net> In-Reply-To: <20041224112112.EA43D25C1D3@sally.dts-online.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03j (RISC-OS/4.39) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <20041224112112.EA43D25C1D3@sally.dts-online.net>, Martin Vethake wrote: > In message <4d2242799edfs@ukgateway.net> you wrote: > > In article <20041223143008.1F80C2F2F9D@sally.dts-online.net>, > > Martin Vethake wrote: > > > > > > > There are ooodles of fonts which look 'somehow' like Yours, but that > > > probably does not help. If You *really* want to get the font to Your > > > PC, I'd suggest You look here: > > > http://fontforge.sourceforge.net/ > > > > > > Thanks for the link Martin, though I went there and had a look, but > > couldn't make head 'nor tails of what was there. > > > Oops, sorry should have switched to verbose mode. FontForge > is an open-source Font-Editor/Converter. Mentioned on the above > page is a 'companion program' acorn2sfd which can turn (most) RISC OS > fonts into something FontForge understands (sfd). From there You can save > it as TrueType or Type1. Yes, it is a bit of an inconvenience but > if it works You get an exact version of Your Acorn font ready for > Mac, LINUX, Windows, whatever. Nice, 'innit? > Regards Thanks for the above note Martin. I've been, I've looked, and with my brain in the state is is ATM I couldn't find where to download acorn2sfd let alone understand anything else on the pages. :-( Have a good Christmas. Cheers Dave S -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Mon Dec 27 13:58:02 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CiEDM-0004XE-HR-0004Xm."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 13:58:02 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CiEDM-0004XE-HR; Sat, 25 Dec 2004 15:52:21 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CiEDM-0004XE-HR; Sat, 25 Dec 2004 15:52:20 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CiEDM-0001Kc-7Y; Sat, 25 Dec 2004 15:52:20 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CiECw-0006hp-3x; Sat, 25 Dec 2004 15:51:54 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iBPFpOL24012 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 25 Dec 2004 15:51:24 GMT Received: from mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk (mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk [212.9.8.7]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with SMTP id iBPFpNd24008 for ; Sat, 25 Dec 2004 15:51:23 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from iyonix ([82.112.131.100]) by mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk (Merak 7.6.1) with SMTP id KLA74787 for ; Sat, 25 Dec 2004 15:51:19 -0000 Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 15:52:01 GMT From: michael talibard To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] Merry Christmas One and All Message-ID: <0f59e4224d.michael@talibard.com> References: <8e7e4d1e4d.michael@talibard.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.08) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Mon Dec 27 13:58:03 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CiH0q-0002LT-Fa-0002Lk."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 13:58:03 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CiH0q-0002LT-Fa; Sat, 25 Dec 2004 18:51:37 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CiH0q-0002LT-Fa; Sat, 25 Dec 2004 18:51:36 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CiH0q-0001cy-Lr; Sat, 25 Dec 2004 18:51:36 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CiH0M-0005Hy-PI; Sat, 25 Dec 2004 18:51:06 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iBPIopa15691 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 25 Dec 2004 18:50:51 GMT Received: from mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.47]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iBPIoo315685 for ; Sat, 25 Dec 2004 18:50:50 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from dsl-80-41-173-59.access.uk.tiscali.com ([80.41.173.59]:10052 helo=dave) by mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CiH06-000Hbv-5N for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 25 Dec 2004 18:50:50 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 18:50:51 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Font ? Message-ID: <4d22f4b8a2dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <20041223143008.1F80C2F2F9D@sally.dts-online.net> References: <4d217d6a6fdfs@ukgateway.net> <20041223143008.1F80C2F2F9D@sally.dts-online.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03j (RISC-OS/4.39) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <20041223143008.1F80C2F2F9D@sally.dts-online.net>, Martin Vethake wrote: > nts which look 'somehow' like Yours, but that > probably does not help. If You *really* want to get the font to Your > PC, I'd suggest You look here: > http://fontforge.sourceforge.net/ New day, partly refurbished brain. Been to the above noted site with a fresh mind set... But my first impression was correct. The whole site is a disparate mess. I ploughed through some documents that were about as much use as a Chocolate Fire guard. I tried to download a few bits 'n bobs like Acorn2sfd... There's nothing there. As for the FontForge thing itself... What a mess it all is. I think I shall go away and get myself a life instead. Cheers and thanks for the thought. Dave S -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Dec 29 15:45:43 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Cjfzr-0006q6-Gr-0006rN."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 29 Dec 2004 15:45:43 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Cjfzr-0006q6-Gr; Wed, 29 Dec 2004 15:44:24 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Cjfzr-0006q6-Gr; Wed, 29 Dec 2004 15:44:23 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Cjfzq-0007B0-Vi; Wed, 29 Dec 2004 15:44:23 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Cjfza-0003CO-E7; Wed, 29 Dec 2004 15:44:06 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iBTFhcZ15233 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 29 Dec 2004 15:43:38 GMT Received: from cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.171]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iBTFhcp15230 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 2004 15:43:38 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from user-2677.l4.c2.dsl.pol.co.uk ([81.77.202.117] helo=rpc) by cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Cjfz7-0006At-NB for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 29 Dec 2004 15:43:37 +0000 Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 15:43:04 GMT From: Alan Adams To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] My Windows hints n tips Message-ID: <52dff2244d.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> References: <6.0.3.0.2.20041211095230.01e456e8@217.12.12.124> <4d1b928d96tony@cropp.demon.co.uk> <6.0.3.0.2.20041211202447.01e27e68@217.12.12.124> <703f231c4d.david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk> <4d1d31ec6atony@cropp.demon.co.uk> <$9BtTUGFDzvBFwS5@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4d21bcb6bdtony@cropp.demon.co.uk> <6bbM6eCbE0yBFwoe@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message you wrote: > >displayed correctly. When I tried a few hours later the first operation > >did not update the window for about 30 seconds. After that I just gave > >up waiting, i.e. many minutes delay if ever. > > Googling reveals that problems with Windows Explorer updating go back to > Win '95. There are various registry tweeks, I've tried some of them with > no luck, and this makes me think they probably address problems which > have now been fixed. > > It occurs to me this is probably the only folder I have with sharing > enabled. So I'll turn that off and see if anything changes. > I seem to remember that if display icons by name is selected, updating happens. If display by date is selected it doesn't. Doubtless it is a lot more complex than that, but is that at least part of the issue? Alan -- Alan Adams alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Dec 29 16:45:45 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Cjgpd-0001kn-Eu-0001mU."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 29 Dec 2004 16:45:45 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Cjgpd-0001kn-Eu; Wed, 29 Dec 2004 16:37:55 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Cjgpd-0001kn-Eu; Wed, 29 Dec 2004 16:37:53 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Cjgpd-00023L-DV; Wed, 29 Dec 2004 16:37:53 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Cjgp7-0001Sc-QW; Wed, 29 Dec 2004 16:37:21 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iBTGbBV26519 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 29 Dec 2004 16:37:11 GMT Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iBTGbA326516 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 2004 16:37:10 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Cjgov-000Mot-9P for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 29 Dec 2004 16:37:10 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 16:35:55 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] My Windows hints n tips References: <6.0.3.0.2.20041211095230.01e456e8@217.12.12.124> <4d1b928d96tony@cropp.demon.co.uk> <6.0.3.0.2.20041211202447.01e27e68@217.12.12.124> <703f231c4d.david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk> <4d1d31ec6atony@cropp.demon.co.uk> <$9BtTUGFDzvBFwS5@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4d21bcb6bdtony@cropp.demon.co.uk> <6bbM6eCbE0yBFwoe@pilling.demon.co.uk> <52dff2244d.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <52dff2244d.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >I seem to remember that if display icons by name is selected, updating >happens. If display by date is selected it doesn't. Doubtless it is a lot >more complex than that, but is that at least part of the issue? Discussion of this has continued between myself and Tony Cropper, credit to him for the info below. I think the main point is that updates of Windows Explorer windows have been problematic throughout Windows history. In fact there are fixes in XP Service Pack 2. So the first thing would be to make sure you have SP2. There seem to be various registry tweeks suggested on the web, and on Micro Soft's sites. Some of them seem to do more harm than good. My own problem was with the Shared Documents folder created when XP was installed. Despite all the messing about I've not resolved it, but what I have found is that creating my own short cut to that folder produces an Explorer window which does update, so that's good enough. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jan 4 16:43:31 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CkRLy-0005NW-EY-0005OS."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 16:43:31 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CkRLy-0005NW-EY; Fri, 31 Dec 2004 18:18:23 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CkRLy-0005NW-EY; Fri, 31 Dec 2004 18:18:22 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CkRLy-0002Iu-AQ; Fri, 31 Dec 2004 18:18:22 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CkRLT-0006kL-7d; Fri, 31 Dec 2004 18:17:51 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iBVIH4704250 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 31 Dec 2004 18:17:04 GMT Received: from cmailm2.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailm2.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.210]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iBVIH4Y04245 for ; Fri, 31 Dec 2004 18:17:04 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from modem-90.delaware.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.59.90] helo=localhost) by cmailm2.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CkRKg-00011i-Rl; Fri, 31 Dec 2004 18:17:03 +0000 Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 15:30:16 GMT From: Robin Phillips To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Cc: Matthew@sinenomine.freeserve.co.uk Subject: [softwarelist] Applying colour to a Draw file Message-ID: <735ff9254d.rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.03b4 (MsgServe/2.16) (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Dear colleague, I cannot find in the Ovation Pro manual any guidance on how to apply a colour to an image such as a Draw file. I have dropped a Draw file, a logo for a society, into an Ovation Pro window, and I want to print it out in grey or green. I see that in the Modify Text menu (F6) one can alter the colour of the background or foreground, but how do I apply this to a graphic? Many thanks in advance. Yours sincerely, Robin. -- Robin Phillips, Beeston, Notts., NG9 1BT Phone: 0115 922 4930 http://www.beeston12.freeserve.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jan 4 16:43:32 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CkS26-0003C2-5E-0003CE."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 16:43:32 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CkS26-0003C2-5E; Fri, 31 Dec 2004 19:01:55 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CkS26-0003C2-5E; Fri, 31 Dec 2004 19:01:54 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CkS26-0006fB-Et; Fri, 31 Dec 2004 19:01:54 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CkS1l-0006qC-O2; Fri, 31 Dec 2004 19:01:33 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iBVJ1Ks12377 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 31 Dec 2004 19:01:20 GMT Received: from mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.39]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iBVJ1KV12374 for ; Fri, 31 Dec 2004 19:01:20 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from dsl-80-41-140-119.access.uk.tiscali.com ([80.41.140.119]:10009 helo=dave) by mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CkS1W-000Ctf-CK; Fri, 31 Dec 2004 19:01:18 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Cc: Matthew@sinenomine.freeserve.co.uk Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 18:57:23 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Applying colour to a Draw file Message-ID: <4d260c539fdfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <735ff9254d.rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> References: <735ff9254d.rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03j (RISC-OS/4.39) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Editor: Zap 1.46 (19 Oct 2004) [TEST], ZapEmail 0.27 (21 Mar 2003) test-6 (32) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <735ff9254d.rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk>, Robin Phillips wrote: > Dear colleague, > I cannot find in the Ovation Pro manual any guidance on how to apply a > colour to an image such as a Draw file. > I have dropped a Draw file, a logo for a society, into an Ovation Pro > window, and I want to print it out in grey or green. > I see that in the Modify Text menu (F6) one can alter the colour of the > background or foreground, but how do I apply this to a graphic? > Many thanks in advance. Yours sincerely, > Robin. Sorry, if this sounds a bit silly but... We are to assume you only want to print the Logo in Grey or Green. In which case press CTRL and at the same time double click the selected graphic. This will OLE it back into Draw. Change the colour to suit. Press Function key 3 F3 this will Save it back into the document with the changes. Cheers Dave S -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jan 4 16:43:36 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ckhkw-0002M2-EY-0002N9."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 16:43:36 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ckhkw-0002M2-EY; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 11:49:16 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ckhkw-0002M2-EY; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 11:49:14 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ckhkw-0006cL-A8; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 11:49:14 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CkhkV-0005xV-BD; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 11:48:47 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j01BmKf29840 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 1 Jan 2005 11:48:20 GMT Received: from cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.172]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j01BmJ229837 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2005 11:48:20 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from modem-2.florida.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.60.2] helo=localhost) by cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Ckhk2-0001RY-B4; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 11:48:18 +0000 Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2005 11:47:43 GMT From: Robin Phillips To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Cc: , Matthew@sinenomine.freeserve.co.uk Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Applying colour to a Draw file Message-ID: <5dd568264d.rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> References: <735ff9254d.rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> <4d260c539fdfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.03b4 (MsgServe/2.16) (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Dear colleagues, In message <4d260c539fdfs@ukgateway.net> Dave Symes wrote: > In article <735ff9254d.rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk>, > Robin Phillips wrote: > > Dear colleague, > > > I cannot find in the Ovation Pro manual any guidance on how to apply a > > colour to an image such as a Draw file. > > > I have dropped a Draw file, a logo for a society, into an Ovation Pro > > window, and I want to print it out in grey or green. > > > I see that in the Modify Text menu (F6) one can alter the colour of the > > background or foreground, but how do I apply this to a graphic? > > > Many thanks in advance. Yours sincerely, > > Robin. > > Sorry, if this sounds a bit silly but... > > We are to assume you only want to print the Logo in Grey or Green. > > In which case press CTRL and at the same time double click the selected > graphic. > > This will OLE it back into Draw. > Change the colour to suit. > Press Function key 3 F3 this will Save it back into the document with the > changes. No, Dave, it does NOT sound the least bit silly. I was totally unaware of the uses of OLE, so you have taught me something useful! However, an odd problem remains. I did not give the details of the logo, and it is actually 2 portions Grouped together to form a unit. 1 part was a drawing originally from a JPEG, and was edited in Draw. The other part was an area of text produced in Draw, and the various words were then arranged neatly by eidting in Draw. These 2 units were then juxtaposed and then grouped to form 1 unit. Following your instructions I OLE'd the file back into Draw, and used Style, Fill colour, to change to green, but found that only the drawing changed to green! All the lettering remains black, although the 2 parts together form one file. Rather puzzled what to do next... Perhaps I must go back into Draw, Ungroup the file into 2 bits, and change the text colour there? Or try reading the Draw manual... Yours sincerely, Robin. > > Cheers > Dave S > > -- Robin Phillips, Beeston, Notts., NG9 1BT Phone: 0115 922 4930 http://www.beeston12.freeserve.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jan 4 16:43:37 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Cki4i-0006eT-9p-0006fI."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 16:43:37 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Cki4i-0006eT-9p; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 12:09:41 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Cki4i-0006eT-9p; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 12:09:40 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Cki4h-0003fn-RP; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 12:09:39 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Cki4W-0003lK-H9; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 12:09:28 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j01C9LU32605 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 1 Jan 2005 12:09:21 GMT Received: from cmailm3.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailm3.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.19]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j01C9Lk32602 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2005 12:09:21 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from user-4357.l2.c4.dsl.pol.co.uk ([81.79.177.5] helo=rpc) by cmailm3.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.41) id 1Cki4O-0007Vx-EF for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 12:09:20 +0000 Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2005 12:08:47 GMT From: Alan Adams To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Applying colour to a Draw file Message-ID: <2ec36a264d.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> References: <735ff9254d.rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> <4d260c539fdfs@ukgateway.net> <5dd568264d.rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <5dd568264d.rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <5dd568264d.rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> you wrote: > Dear colleagues, > > In message <4d260c539fdfs@ukgateway.net> > Dave Symes wrote: > > > In article <735ff9254d.rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk>, > > Robin Phillips wrote: > > > Dear colleague, > > > > > I cannot find in the Ovation Pro manual any guidance on how to apply a > > > colour to an image such as a Draw file. > > > > > I have dropped a Draw file, a logo for a society, into an Ovation Pro > > > window, and I want to print it out in grey or green. > > > > > I see that in the Modify Text menu (F6) one can alter the colour of the > > > background or foreground, but how do I apply this to a graphic? > > > > > Many thanks in advance. Yours sincerely, > > > Robin. > > > > Sorry, if this sounds a bit silly but... > > > > We are to assume you only want to print the Logo in Grey or Green. > > > > In which case press CTRL and at the same time double click the selected > > graphic. > > > > This will OLE it back into Draw. > > Change the colour to suit. > > Press Function key 3 F3 this will Save it back into the document with the > > changes. > > No, Dave, it does NOT sound the least bit silly. I was totally unaware of > the uses of OLE, so you have taught me something useful! > > However, an odd problem remains. I did not give the details of the logo, and > it is actually 2 portions Grouped together to form a unit. 1 part was a > drawing originally from a JPEG, and was edited in Draw. The other part was > an area of text produced in Draw, and the various words were then arranged > neatly by eidting in Draw. These 2 units were then juxtaposed and then > grouped to form 1 unit. > > Following your instructions I OLE'd the file back into Draw, and used Style, > Fill colour, to change to green, but found that only the drawing changed to > green! All the lettering remains black, although the 2 parts together form > one file. Rather puzzled what to do next... > > Perhaps I must go back into Draw, Ungroup the file into 2 bits, and change > the text colour there? > > Or try reading the Draw manual... Which wouldn't be a bad idea. Text styles in Draw are completely independent of graphics styles. You need the Text colour and Background styles to affect your text. You don't need to ungroup first. There is another way. If you want to change the whole Draw object to, say, shades of green, you can in Ovation Pro use Picture -> Process, Duotone, and change the black to green. This changes the image from colour to a linear scale between the two colours selected. Usually white to a colour gives the desired effect. Play with it - it's easy to turn off again. Alan > > Yours sincerely, Robin. > > > > > Cheers > > Dave S > > > > > -- Alan Adams alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jan 4 16:43:38 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CkjFL-0005wk-7I-0005xf."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 16:43:38 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CkjFL-0005wk-7I; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 13:24:44 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CkjFL-0005wk-7I; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 13:24:43 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CkjFL-0000e6-2g; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 13:24:43 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CkjEr-0000Yj-Dg; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 13:24:13 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j01DNgl12041 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 1 Jan 2005 13:23:42 GMT Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j01DNfi12035 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2005 13:23:42 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [62.188.156.134] (helo=62.188.156.134) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 1CkjDN-00068c-AQ for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 13:22:41 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Travers To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2005 12:00:28 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Applying colour to a Draw file Message-ID: <4d266a0041richto@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <735ff9254d.rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> References: <735ff9254d.rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <735ff9254d.rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk>, Robin Phillips wrote: > Dear colleague, > I cannot find in the Ovation Pro manual any guidance on how to apply a colour > to an image such as a Draw file. > I have dropped a Draw file, a logo for a society, into an Ovation Pro window, > and I want to print it out in grey or green. > I see that in the Modify Text menu (F6) one can alter the colour of the > background or foreground, but how do I apply this to a graphic? > Many thanks in advance. Yours sincerely, Robin. You could try the "Duotone" option - select the picture, Menu>picture>process. Experiment with the colours you specify in the two boxes. -- Richard Travers richto@argonet.co.uk Truro, Cornwall 01872 271125 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jan 4 16:43:40 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CkrfP-0002z1-SV-0002zJ."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 16:43:40 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CkrfP-0002z1-SV; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 22:24:12 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CkrfP-0002z1-SV; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 22:24:11 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CkrfP-00029b-Lw; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 22:24:11 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Ckrf9-0007JQ-CW; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 22:23:55 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j01MNLF32042 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 1 Jan 2005 22:23:21 GMT Received: from mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.48]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j01MNKP32039 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2005 22:23:20 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from dsl-80-41-192-105.access.uk.tiscali.com ([80.41.192.105]:10276 helo=dave) by mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Ckrdm-000It3-BY for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 22:22:30 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2005 22:23:13 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Applying colour to a Draw file Message-ID: <4d26a303f2dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <5dd568264d.rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> References: <735ff9254d.rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> <4d260c539fdfs@ukgateway.net> <5dd568264d.rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03j (RISC-OS/4.39) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <5dd568264d.rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk>, Robin Phillips wrote: > Following your instructions I OLE'd the file back into Draw, and used > Style, Fill colour, to change to green, but found that only the drawing > changed to green! All the lettering remains black, although the 2 parts > together form one file. Rather puzzled what to do next... > Perhaps I must go back into Draw, Ungroup the file into 2 bits, and > change the text colour there? > Or try reading the Draw manual... > Yours sincerely, > Robin. No problem Robin, my guess is, with the text you've not "Converted to path" and made draw objects of it. If you select the text, do Menu-Selection > Convert to path. Then with the text still selected do Menu-Style > Fill colour. You'll find you text is now the colour you want it to be. You might also want to make the text outlines the same colour. Do Menu-Style > Line colour You might want to bulk up the text outlines a bit as the default is "Thin" whereas I usually find 0.25 better. Do Menu-Style > Line width Cheers Dave S -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jan 4 16:43:44 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Cl8oK-0001c4-DV-0001cZ."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 16:43:44 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Cl8oK-0001c4-DV; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 16:42:32 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Cl8oK-0001c4-DV; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 16:42:32 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Cl8oK-0000TQ-0f; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 16:42:32 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Cl8nv-0008Im-F0; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 16:42:07 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j02GflE13811 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 16:41:47 GMT Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j02GfkX13803 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 16:41:46 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from edencroft2.demon.co.uk ([194.222.220.137] helo=Jeremy) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Cl8nZ-0008S7-L3 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 16:41:46 +0000 Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2005 16:42:44 GMT From: Jeremy Roberts To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] Tab leaders in OPro. Message-ID: X-Organization: Eden Croft User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13S) (RISC-OS/5.07) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Leader strings in OPro baffle me! What am I doing wrong? (OPro 2.75 on RISC OS 5.) I guess this has been discussed before... Is there an archive I can check? Nothing I enter in the 'Tab leader' field in the 'Tabs' dialogue box is retained when the box is closed, and the string does not appear either when I try to apply a leader string in a style definition, or from . I must have sorted this out for myself in the past, since I have just checked a document where I used leaders successfully. In the 'Tabs' box for the relevant style, there's nothing visible, yet there the dots are in the tab spaces!! The relevant skill has apparently evaporated :-( Yours, covered in confusion, Jeremy R. -- Jeremy Roberts -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jan 4 17:53:17 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Clspl-0003OO-AF-0003PY."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 17:53:17 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Clspl-0003OO-AF; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 17:51:06 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Clspl-0003OO-AF; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 17:51:05 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Clspl-0000hJ-0B; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 17:51:05 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1ClspO-0003k9-SQ; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 17:50:42 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j04Ho4m26807 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 17:50:04 GMT Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j04Ho3226800 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 17:50:04 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Clso3-000LiU-4S for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 17:49:19 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 17:48:26 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Tab leaders in OPro. References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Leader strings in OPro baffle me! What am I doing wrong? (OPro 2.75 on >RISC OS 5.) I guess this has been discussed before... Is there an >archive I can check? The mail list is archived on my web site, and (older) on the Ovation Pro CD. Once I made a jokey remark about using Google to search these archives. Well time moves on, if you're using a PC the desktop Google will do that. I've recently bought a lot more web space so the whole lot may be available on line soon. >Nothing I enter in the 'Tab leader' field in the 'Tabs' dialogue box >is retained when the box is closed, and the string does not appear >either when I try to apply a leader string in a style definition, or >from . Err Select a tab, enter the leader string, select another tab. Reselect the first tab to check the leader is remembered. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jan 4 17:53:18 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Clsrr-0000b7-IQ-0000by."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 17:53:18 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Clsrr-0000b7-IQ; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 17:53:16 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Clsrr-0000b7-IQ; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 17:53:15 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Clsrr-0001D1-Ax; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 17:53:15 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1ClsrV-0002R5-CZ; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 17:52:53 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j04Hqk927378 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 17:52:46 GMT Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j04HqkG27371 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 17:52:46 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1ClsqM-0004wC-Gg for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 17:51:42 +0000 Message-ID: <9Sjd4oDqet2BFwZ+@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 17:51:38 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] My Windows hints n tips References: <6.0.3.0.2.20041211095230.01e456e8@217.12.12.124> <4d1b928d96tony@cropp.demon.co.uk> <6.0.3.0.2.20041211202447.01e27e68@217.12.12.124> <703f231c4d.david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk> <4d1d31ec6atony@cropp.demon.co.uk> <$9BtTUGFDzvBFwS5@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4d21bcb6bdtony@cropp.demon.co.uk> <6bbM6eCbE0yBFwoe@pilling.demon.co.uk> <52dff2244d.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >From: Tony Cropper In article , David Pilling wrote: > I think the main point is that updates of Windows Explorer windows have > been problematic throughout Windows history. In fact there are fixes in > XP Service Pack 2. So the first thing would be to make sure you have > SP2. However, the particular problem which was raised applying to XP versions prior to SP2 problems with some of the special W XP folders (ones which have a special meaning like Shared Documents) should have been fixed in SP2. Sadly the update to SP2 has not helped David in this particular instance...his problem persists. It remains that Windows is a very complicated system and one which is imperfect - don't we know it - but also one which frequently offers more than one opportunity to do something. In this instance, where a 'Shared Documents' folder causes difficulties which remain unresolved, the easiest solution is to avoid its use. There is no reason why one has to do things 'the Microsoft Way' so, if all, more normal, folders do update reliably, why not use them instead. This is, after all, the more rational RISC OS approach. David's lateral solution is less obvious. By experimentation he found that _how_ he viewed the folder made a difference. If he had a shortcut, which he had created, to the Shared Docs folder it lead to a view which did update automatically where XP's own pre-determined shortcut did not. There may be someone buried deep in some deep dungeon at Microsoft's building at Redmond who could sort all this out in a trice by making some dark change in the bowels of the OS. Sadly, we mere mortals are left with David's more pragmatic approach which is, don't be afraid to try a few things out in Windows to work around a problem to which it has proved difficult to find a proper solution. As to XP SP2 and its use... There have been a host of comments about how we shouldn't upgrade our systems to SP2, how it has problems with certain programmes etc. etc. Most of this is well known to Microsoft and a list of such programmes is available on their website - it is not a large list and most of the programmes not working are not the mainstream ones or are ones which are not being currently maintained. So, should one update to SP2? - well, the choice is not quite that, it is 'does one need to update one's copy of Windows or not?' The answer to that is really bound to whether one has it as part of a stand-alone system which works fine or whether it is connected to a network. In the former instance there isn't a need to update - if everything does work fine! In the second instance, where one's computer is exposed to other computers it would be unwise, in the extreme, not to take precautions to protect it. This protection is, generally, in three forms: 1/ Anti-Virus packages 2/ Firewalling 3/ Maintenance of the software to reduce its vulnerability Number 3 really means yes, update to SP2, and regularly log onto Microsoft's site to update one's MS software - I do it once a week! It isn't a bad maxim that 'one should never be the first to try something out', obvious if you think about it - let other people iron out the problems for you. Not so obvious is the second half of the maxim which states 'however, never be the last to adopt the changes'. SP2 is the way forward, warts though there may be, just as XP itself was the way forward when it appeared. SP2 has now been in use for four or five months and the complaints/problems are much reduced. > There seem to be various registry tweeks suggested on the web, and on > Micro Soft's sites. Some of them seem to do more harm than good. ..so beware playing with the Windows Registry if you aren't sure you can get back to where you were before. Is any of this a help to Colin Wood, the originator of this sub-thread? I wonder... -- tony cropper bristol uk Email: tony@acropper.com Web: http://www.acropper.com/ BARUG: http://www.barug.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jan 4 18:03:18 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Clsth-0001z5-SN-000206."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 18:03:18 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Clsth-0001z5-SN; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 17:55:11 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Clsth-0001z5-SN; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 17:55:09 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Clsth-0006QJ-Hv; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 17:55:09 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1ClstP-0007Dn-Bd; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 17:54:51 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j04Hslp27814 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 17:54:47 GMT Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j04HslX27811 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 17:54:47 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1ClstK-000Cya-Cm for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 17:54:47 +0000 Message-ID: <4D4MMGEHgt2BFwYq@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 17:53:11 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Printing Oddity MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >From: charles hope Using OvPro on my Iyonix I tried to print a document on a B&W laser, having originally produced a good copy in colour via GimpPrint. I get an error message "OvPro has gone wrong" and when I ask for a description I get the mesage "Sprite Extend can only do linear transformations". I should explain that the document consists of pictures downloaded from my camera directly loaded into OvPro. Question: why is colour printing fine while B&W fails? -- Using an Iyonix, running RISC OS5. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jan 4 18:03:18 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Clt10-0006wN-RE-0006wz."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 18:03:18 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Clt10-0006wN-RE; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 18:02:43 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Clt10-0006wN-RE; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 18:02:42 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Clt10-0005kq-8Q; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 18:02:42 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Clt0f-0003Wg-1i; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 18:02:21 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j04I2Dv29947 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 18:02:13 GMT Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j04I2Cj29941 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 18:02:13 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Clt0W-000Eft-B6 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 18:02:12 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 18:00:32 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] CMYK printing expert needed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, I wonder if there's anyone who has mastered originating CMYK images on RISC OS who would be prepared to help a friend of mine (Paul Beverley)? What he wants to do is set off with RGB images and produce separation files suitable for a printer (man not machine). The current problem seems to be converting from RGB to CMYK using Photodesk. He wants to do all this using Impression as the DTP program - and you were wondering why he's got problems ;-) I'm sure some people will have got CMYK copy origination sorted out. Anyway drop me a private email. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jan 4 18:53:20 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Cltj8-0001pt-GZ-0001qX."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 18:53:20 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Cltj8-0001pt-GZ; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 18:48:19 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Cltj8-0001pt-GZ; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 18:48:18 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Cltj7-0006TR-T8; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 18:48:18 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Cltiq-0006go-F1; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 18:48:00 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j04Ilmu08443 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 18:47:48 GMT Received: from smarthost0.mail.uk.easynet.net (smarthost0.mail.uk.easynet.net [212.135.6.10]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j04Ilmq08439 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 18:47:48 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from bb-195-172-49-136.ukonline.co.uk ([195.172.49.136] helo=nails.norbins) by smarthost0.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 1Cltic-000NUf-00; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 18:47:47 +0000 Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 18:48:36 +0000 (GMT) From: Jim Nagel Subject: [softwarelist] sprites refuse to import To: artworks@smartgroups.com cc: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: speaking for myself X-Return-Rcpt-To: jim@abbeypress.net X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) help! why do these things always happen at deadline? i have scanned two graphics and want to import them. i used DPlngScan 1.21 to scan them at 300dpi. saved as Sprite (about 2Mb). dropped that into Artworks 1.7f. Artworks refuses to accept them: Error from Artworks: illegal sprite file - unknown sprite type or mode. have tried DPlngScan's Colour>Change Format feature to save with RiscOS palette or No palette -- makes no diff. yet these files import OK into !Paint or !Draw. files saved from there still will not import to Artworks. never had this problem before. tried rescanning, no luck. what havent i thought of? -- Jim Nagel -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jan 4 22:03:30 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Clwdv-0003iu-9U-0003jj."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 22:03:30 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Clwdv-0003iu-9U; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 21:55:09 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Clwdv-0003iu-9U; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 21:55:07 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Clwdv-0006lC-Ij; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 21:55:07 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1ClwdY-0000YR-Q8; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 21:54:44 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j04LsQL15948 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 21:54:26 GMT Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j04LsQx15944 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 21:54:26 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1ClwdF-000H6L-72 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 21:54:25 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 21:53:13 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] sprites refuse to import References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >i used DPlngScan 1.21 to scan them at 300dpi. >saved as Sprite (about 2Mb). dropped that into Artworks 1.7f. >Artworks refuses to accept them: > Error from Artworks: > illegal sprite file - unknown sprite type or mode. I'm not up to date with Artworks versions, but if your version is old enough it won't understand 'deep' sprites i.e. 16 and 32bpp. Anything that comes out of DPScan has a palette - if it needs one i.e. 8bpp or less. Anyway taking sprites via Paint ensures they are 'good'. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jan 4 23:03:33 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ClxfC-0001so-Aj-0001tK."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 23:03:33 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ClxfC-0001so-Aj; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 23:00:31 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ClxfC-0001so-Aj; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 23:00:30 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ClxfC-0001o8-4U; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 23:00:30 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Clxee-0002Ze-WC; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 22:59:57 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j04MxfL31152 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 22:59:41 GMT Received: from smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net (smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net [212.135.6.13]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j04Mxe731148 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 22:59:40 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from bb-195-172-49-136.ukonline.co.uk ([195.172.49.136] helo=nails.norbins) by smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 1ClxeJ-000J3q-00; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 22:59:35 +0000 Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 22:59:37 +0000 (GMT) From: Jim Nagel Subject: Re: [softwarelist] sprites refuse to import To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net cc: artworks@smartgroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: speaking for myself X-Return-Rcpt-To: jim@abbeypress.net X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Tue 04 Jan, David Pilling wrote: > Jim Nagel wrote: > >i used DPlngScan 1.21 to scan them at 300dpi. > >saved as Sprite (about 2Mb). dropped that into Artworks 1.7f. > >Artworks refuses to accept them: > > Error from Artworks: > > illegal sprite file - unknown sprite type or mode. > > I'm not up to date with Artworks versions, but if your version is old > enough it won't understand 'deep' sprites i.e. 16 and 32bpp. Anything > that comes out of DPScan has a palette - if it needs one i.e. 8bpp or > less. > > Anyway taking sprites via Paint ensures they are 'good'. one of the images in question began as something i scanned in 8bit greyscale and saved as JPeg (less disk space). later i loaded it back into PlingScan and tried to save it as sprite into Artworks. the other was a JPeg i downloaded from the net and then dropped into PillingScan intending to save sprite into Artworks. i'm using Artworks 1.7f with various Wuerthner add-ons and DPlngScan 1.21 on a StrongArm RiscPC running RiscOS 4.02, 130Mb Ram. since posting my plea, i thought of running up ImageFS (version 2.36, quite old, 1997), and, behold, both JPegs now load directly into Artworks with no problem. so does that mean an issue with P'lingScan 1.21? according to my log, i upgraded from 1.18 on Dec16; can't recall using scanner or Artworks in those three weeks till now. log says i also downloaded AWviewer 1.74 to replace 1.73 on Dec 22. hm. fraid so. i have dug out old PlingScan 1.18, after doing "quit all" on ImageFS. dropped the problem JPeg into 1.18 and there's now no problem saving as sprite into Artworks. there does seem to be a problem here with 1.21. -- Jim Nagel -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jan 4 23:23:34 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Clxs0-0007cW-Mq-0007dB."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 23:23:34 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Clxs0-0007cW-Mq; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 23:13:45 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Clxs0-0007cW-Mq; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 23:13:44 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Clxrz-0001SP-SW; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 23:13:43 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Clxrm-00068U-Am; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 23:13:30 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j04NDO802112 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 23:13:24 GMT Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j04NDNA02109 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 23:13:23 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Clxrf-000IPR-9m for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 23:13:23 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 23:12:15 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] sprites refuse to import References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >since posting my plea, i thought of running up ImageFS (version >2.36, quite old, 1997), and, behold, both JPegs now load directly >into Artworks with no problem. With ImageFS running, nothing will be as it seems, JPEG's will automagically become sprites. >hm. fraid so. i have dug out old PlingScan 1.18, after doing >"quit all" on ImageFS. dropped the problem JPeg into 1.18 and >there's now no problem saving as sprite into Artworks. >there does seem to be a problem here with 1.21. 1.21 may be configured differently to 1.18. I'd be happy to investigate if you've got any examples to send me. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net