From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Jul 31 13:43:26 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BqqTk-0002VL-Jo-0002Wr."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 31 Jul 2004 13:43:26 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BqqTk-0002VL-Jo; Sat, 31 Jul 2004 09:48:38 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BqqTk-0002VL-Jo; Sat, 31 Jul 2004 09:48:36 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BqqTj-0004a8-UR; Sat, 31 Jul 2004 09:48:35 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BqqSX-0007Ui-N2; Sat, 31 Jul 2004 10:47:21 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i6V9kZY27307 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 31 Jul 2004 10:46:35 +0100 Received: from relay.freeuk.net (relay.freeuk.net [212.126.144.54]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i6V9kZI27304 for ; Sat, 31 Jul 2004 10:46:35 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from du-002-0061.freeuk.com ([212.126.156.61] helo=helvellyn) by relay.freeuk.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BqqRm-000LqQ-8C for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 31 Jul 2004 10:46:35 +0100 Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 10:41:55 +0100 From: Steve Fryatt To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Message-ID: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.06) POPstar/2.05 Subject: [softwarelist] Yet Another Global Clipboard Problem X-Editor: Zap 1.46 (10 Aug 2003) sb-2, ZapEmail 0.27 (21 Mar 2003) test-6 (32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Now we've done the Select vs. RISC OS 5 and RISC OS vs. Windows debates, can I raise another global clipboard issue? :-) The following seems to reproduce the problem, using O-Pro 2.74 on an Iyonix (RISC OS 5.06). In this case, my "other application" is Messenger Pro 2.71, but it applies equally to any other apps I've ever tried with O-Pro. 1) Create a new document, and place two similar frames on the page. 2) Edit one frame so that the inset is 0mm and the other is the default (in my case) of 1mm. Both frames should be empty. 3) Select some text in the other application and copy it to the clipboard. 4) Click in the 1mm inset frame and paste (ctrl-v). The text should appear. 5) Click in the 0mm inset frame and paste (ctrl-v). Nothing should happen. 6) Press return, then try ctrl-v again. The text should appear; if not, press space and try again. I don't think this is quite the full story, because this problem normally shows up to me as an inability to paste if the caret is on the left margin of the frame. A document template I use a lot has a single master frame with 0mm insets, and I usually have to move the caret off the edge with spaces before paste will work (no matter how far down the page I am). Now I've spotted the problem of the inset, I can just change the inset on the documents in question to 1mm -- the text is just being ripped out and dumped into Impression in the end anyway. It would be nice to have fix, though. -- Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Jul 31 13:53:24 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BqtJI-000359-6t-00035z."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 31 Jul 2004 13:53:24 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BqtJI-000359-6t; Sat, 31 Jul 2004 12:50:01 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BqtJI-000359-6t; Sat, 31 Jul 2004 12:50:00 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BqtJH-0000N4-UR; Sat, 31 Jul 2004 12:49:59 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BqtIO-0003Lk-GU; Sat, 31 Jul 2004 13:49:04 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i6VCmo627252 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 31 Jul 2004 13:48:50 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i6VCmoE27249 for ; Sat, 31 Jul 2004 13:48:50 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BqtI9-000MCd-0X for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 31 Jul 2004 12:48:49 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 13:47:40 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Yet Another Global Clipboard Problem References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >of the frame. A document template I use a lot has a single master frame >with 0mm insets, and I usually have to move the caret off the edge with >spaces before paste will work (no matter how far down the page I am). I think I can understand this, global paste works by sending a file to the destination - as if you dragged a save box from Edit direct to where you want the text to go. Anyway OP generates a position for this file to be dropped at, I'd guess that if the caret is too close to the frame edge the position is outside the frame. If you had another bigger frame behind the target, you might see the pasted text appear in it. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Aug 3 19:39:22 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Bqy8k-00023i-ES-000242."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 19:39:22 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Bqy8k-00023i-ES; Sat, 31 Jul 2004 17:59:27 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Bqy8k-00023i-ES; Sat, 31 Jul 2004 17:59:26 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Bqy8k-0001tp-94; Sat, 31 Jul 2004 17:59:26 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Bqy8P-0000AR-6b; Sat, 31 Jul 2004 18:59:05 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i6VHwYU04831 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 31 Jul 2004 18:58:34 +0100 Received: from aquarius.realingenuity.net (aquarius.realingenuity.net [213.165.154.155]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i6VHwQL04780 for ; Sat, 31 Jul 2004 18:58:27 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from RTV (189.24.34.fdial.global.net.uk [80.189.24.34]) by aquarius.realingenuity.net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id i6VHiYW06324 for ; Sat, 31 Jul 2004 18:44:34 +0100 Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 18:57:29 +0100 From: Mik Towse To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Upgrading from RiscOs to Iyonix Message-ID: <4CD73BF3B2%mik.towse@xemik.com> References: <4CD627AB53%mik.towse@xemik.com> <4cd62d3ea9evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> <4CD6BF53F6%mik.towse@xemik.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.62 POPstar/2.05 X-Editor: Zap 1.45, using ZapEmail 0.26 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article David Pilling wrote: > >[1] Altho' I understood ATT that it was produced by David for Castle. > Castle wrote the Mustek specific code. [snip details] > Sometimes this is a problem because I can't be a lot of help if someone > has problems with a Mustek. > > That's the situation in the modern era. Go back to 1994 and I was > writing Mustek drivers on my own, in the mid 90's Mustek were > co-operating with Castle. Frank Hertel who wrote some Acorn PD stuff > even worked for Mustek. > In 1994, the three pass Mustek was a price breakthrough. Thanks for clarifying the situation. So I've been sulking unnecessarily for the past few years. ;-) Doesn't matter now I have an Epson RX500 to play with. -- Therapy is expensive, popping bubble wrap is cheap. You choose. __ __ _ _ _____ | \/ (_) | __ |_ _|____ __ _____ ___ | |\/| | | |/ / | |/ _ \ V V (_- for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 19:39:28 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BrCVv-0007KF-Hy; Sun, 01 Aug 2004 09:20:20 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BrCVv-0007KF-Hy; Sun, 01 Aug 2004 09:20:19 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BrCVv-0004yd-AE; Sun, 01 Aug 2004 09:20:19 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BrCVK-00020u-Gn; Sun, 01 Aug 2004 10:19:42 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i719J2c31671 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 10:19:02 +0100 Received: from relay.freeuk.net (relay.freeuk.net [212.126.144.54]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i719IxR31657 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 10:18:59 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from du-003-0215.freeuk.com ([212.126.145.215] helo=helvellyn) by relay.freeuk.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BrCUb-000Lvn-9e for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 01 Aug 2004 10:18:58 +0100 Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 09:43:21 +0100 From: Steve Fryatt To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Yet Another Global Clipboard Problem Message-ID: <380e8dd74c.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.06) POPstar/2.05 X-Editor: Zap 1.46 (10 Aug 2003) sb-2, ZapEmail 0.27 (21 Mar 2003) test-6 (32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 31 Jul, David Pilling wrote in message : > > of the frame. A document template I use a lot has a single master > > frame with 0mm insets, and I usually have to move the caret off the > > edge with spaces before paste will work (no matter how far down the > > page I am). > > I think I can understand this, global paste works by sending a file to > the destination - as if you dragged a save box from Edit direct to where > you want the text to go. Anyway OP generates a position for this file to > be dropped at, I'd guess that if the caret is too close to the frame > edge the position is outside the frame. Makes sense -- thanks. At least now I know what the cause is, I can work around it in the only documents where it's ever been a problem. The templates in question came from Impression originally, hence the 0mm inset. It would also explain the way in which the frame borders sometimes get messed up when moving the caret and changing selections in those documents. > If you had another bigger frame behind the target, you might see the > pasted text appear in it. I can't reproduce that with a rectangular frame, but with an ellipse it does indeed end up in the frame behind. -- Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Aug 6 13:55:31 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Bt17v-0000pW-OG-0000q8."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 13:55:31 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Bt17v-0000pW-OG; Fri, 06 Aug 2004 09:35:04 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Bt17v-0000pW-OG; Fri, 06 Aug 2004 09:35:03 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Bt17v-0005LM-Av; Fri, 06 Aug 2004 09:35:03 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Bt17X-0001VO-Pn; Fri, 06 Aug 2004 10:34:39 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i769VkR28484 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 10:31:46 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i769Vks28479 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 10:31:46 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from charleshope.demon.co.uk ([80.177.174.79] helo=RiscPC) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Bt14j-000Lyk-0W for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 06 Aug 2004 09:31:45 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "charles.hope" To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 10:33:26 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] OvPro printing Message-ID: <4cda24d235charles.hope@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.02f (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) While trying to print a document at 140% I get an OvPro error: "Overflow while transforming point (print cancelled)". This happens on both RISC PC and Iyonix. Printing in colour different drivers on the two machines. I've never had this before. Any ideas -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Aug 6 14:15:26 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Bt4Pf-0005ws-D9-0005xJ."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 14:15:26 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Bt4Pf-0005ws-D9; Fri, 06 Aug 2004 13:05:35 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Bt4Pf-0005ws-D9; Fri, 06 Aug 2004 13:05:35 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Bt4Pe-0000Xr-Sa; Fri, 06 Aug 2004 13:05:34 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Bt4PM-0004Ak-23; Fri, 06 Aug 2004 14:05:16 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i76D4rv26869 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 14:04:53 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i76D4qA26863 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 14:04:52 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Bt4Ox-000HVQ-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 06 Aug 2004 13:04:52 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 14:03:27 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvPro printing References: <4cda24d235charles.hope@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4cda24d235charles.hope@argonet.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, >While trying to print a document at 140% I get an OvPro error: "Overflow >while transforming point (print cancelled)". ISTR it is a Computer Concepts error, and is raised when a bitmap is too big (in the sense of containing too many pixels). CC did printer drivers and the ArtWorks rendering code. At which point Martin, will probably say something... -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Aug 6 14:55:28 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Bt54O-00029G-JQ-00029g."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 14:55:28 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Bt54O-00029G-JQ; Fri, 06 Aug 2004 13:47:40 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Bt54O-00029G-JQ; Fri, 06 Aug 2004 13:47:40 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Bt54N-0003JC-Mi; Fri, 06 Aug 2004 13:47:39 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Bt53v-00033B-4S; Fri, 06 Aug 2004 14:47:11 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i76DkqW05925 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 14:46:52 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i76Dkp705916 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 14:46:51 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from south-frm.demon.co.uk ([80.177.26.219] helo=greatest) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Bt53b-0008Gm-0Y for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 06 Aug 2004 13:46:51 +0000 Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 14:46:37 +0100 From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvPro printing Message-ID: <13003cda4c.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> References: <4cda24d235charles.hope@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.06) POPstar/2.06-ds.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message of 6 Aug, David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > > >While trying to print a document at 140% I get an OvPro error: "Overflow > >while transforming point (print cancelled)". > > ISTR it is a Computer Concepts error, and is raised when a bitmap is too > big (in the sense of containing too many pixels). CC did printer drivers > and the ArtWorks rendering code. > > At which point Martin, will probably say something... Or not. He put his head up above the wall a day or so back to say he was back after about a week's hol, was issuing a few Gimp-Pirnt licences and was v. shortly off on further jolly hols. -- Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Aug 6 18:15:38 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Bt8HQ-0000SG-6L-0000Sl."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 18:15:38 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Bt8HQ-0000SG-6L; Fri, 06 Aug 2004 17:13:21 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Bt8HQ-0000SG-6L; Fri, 06 Aug 2004 17:13:20 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Bt8HQ-0002VW-Pl; Fri, 06 Aug 2004 17:13:20 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Bt8H9-0006H0-Uf; Fri, 06 Aug 2004 18:13:03 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i76HCr129328 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 18:12:53 +0100 Received: from mra02.ex.eclipse.net.uk (mra02.ex.eclipse.net.uk [212.104.129.89]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i76HCqU29325 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 18:12:52 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mra02.ex.eclipse.net.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 546154067C8 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 18:08:27 +0100 (BST) Received: from mra02.ex.eclipse.net.uk ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mra02.ex.eclipse.net.uk [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 01239-01-84 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 18:08:26 +0100 (BST) Received: from MartinRPC (unknown [81.168.127.192]) by mra02.ex.eclipse.net.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFECD40672D for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 18:08:25 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 18:12:05 +0100 From: Martin Devon To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] OPro - colour saturation Message-ID: <93cf4eda4c.Martin@heleigh.org.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/4.37) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by Eclipse VIRUSshield at eclipse.net.uk Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi all I'm doing a 4-colour job including Artworks 2 graphics with transparency. The printer wants a set of PDFs for the separations. I've been playing with UniPrint and have tried a range of PC PDF generators (I'll publish the results later - the best seems to be pdfFactory). With all these devices, the colour balance is true, but overall colour saturation is too great. Does anyone know how this can be altered? GimpPrint offers saturation control, but how do I convert 140MB postscript files to PDF reliably? Not Riscript of !ps2pdf :-( Martin -- Martin R. Devon Box, Wilts, UK -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Aug 6 22:35:51 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BtCGp-0005Nl-KZ-0005Od."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 22:35:51 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BtCGp-0005Nl-KZ; Fri, 06 Aug 2004 21:29:01 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BtCGp-0005Nl-KZ; Fri, 06 Aug 2004 21:28:59 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BtCGp-0001hq-6R; Fri, 06 Aug 2004 21:28:59 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BtCGS-0000kT-MG; Fri, 06 Aug 2004 22:28:36 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i76LSQj12546 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 22:28:26 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i76LSPG12543 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 22:28:25 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BtCGH-000GfY-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 06 Aug 2004 21:28:25 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 22:27:13 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvPro printing References: <4cda24d235charles.hope@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4cda24d235charles.hope@argonet.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >From: charles hope In article , David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > >While trying to print a document at 140% I get an OvPro error: "Overflow > >while transforming point (print cancelled)". > ISTR it is a Computer Concepts error, and is raised when a bitmap is too > big (in the sense of containing too many pixels). CC did printer drivers > and the ArtWorks rendering code. It occured with Gimp Print as well as a conventional Risc OS driver. > At which point Martin, will probably say something... following my own post, I managed to get out of the problem. I saved the file as DDL and then loaded it again. Problem went away. -- Using an Iyonix, running RISC OS5. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Aug 10 19:03:53 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Bu7Rh-0002Yu-BA-0002cf."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 19:03:53 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Bu7Rh-0002Yu-BA; Mon, 09 Aug 2004 10:32:06 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Bu7Rh-0002Yu-BA; Mon, 09 Aug 2004 10:32:01 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Bu7Rh-00030Z-6b; Mon, 09 Aug 2004 10:32:01 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Bu7RK-0007zv-5H; Mon, 09 Aug 2004 11:31:38 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i79AUww13107 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 11:30:58 +0100 Received: from smtp.aaisp.net.uk (painless.aaisp.net.uk [217.169.20.17]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i79AUv413101 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 11:30:57 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [81.2.82.47] (helo=Art) by smtp.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Bu7Qe-0004aw-40 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 09 Aug 2004 11:30:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Gavin Crawford To: Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 11:24:10 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] OPro - colour saturation Message-ID: <4cdbb4f937gav@crawford-print.co.uk> References: <93cf4eda4c.Martin@heleigh.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <93cf4eda4c.Martin@heleigh.org.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <93cf4eda4c.Martin@heleigh.org.uk>, Martin Devon wrote: > Hi all Hi Martin, To be able to offer any advice there are a few issues to deal with in what you have described, so I'll break things down a bit, as things can get quite complicated. > I'm doing a 4-colour job including Artworks 2 graphics with > transparency. The printer wants a set of PDFs for the separations. You haven't said if this is a multi-page job or a single page, but you say a 'set' of PDFs for the separations. Is that a PDF for each page or a PDF for each plate separation? > I've been playing with UniPrint and have tried a range of PC PDF generators > (I'll publish the results later - the best seems to be pdfFactory). UniPrint (and GimpPrint) will create a bitmap output and wrap that up in a PostScript header. The PDF generation software will then be creating a PDF with a large bitmap image of each page, which defeats some of the reasons that the printers have probably asked for a PDF in the first place. i.e resolution independence. The other big issue with printing a full colour composite page using RISC OS is that it will be printed in RGB colour space. This can seriously effect some of your colours that have been defined in CMYK when the RGB image is then colour split back to CMYK by the printers. Using ArtWorks transparency will also effect the printing process if printed from ArtWorks as this will also be printed as a bitmap of the page, and even printing the page as colour separations will treat all colours as RGB so can again effect the CMYK integrity of defined colours. But as you have posted to this list I'm taking it that you have already exported the ArtWorks graphic that uses Crystal transparency as a sprite so it can be included in Ovation Pro (as transparency is not supported by AWRender). The exported sprite will of course be RGB, so again any CMYK colours will be effected. > With all these devices, the colour balance is true, but overall colour > saturation is too great. But what are you viewing when you say the colour saturation is too great, a screen view of the PDF, a printout of the PDF or a colour matched proof created by the printer firm? > Does anyone know how this can be altered? If your are not viewing a colour matched proof (or a wet proof) then you don't know how the colours should look to be able to compensate for how you think they should look (I did say it can get complicated). What you may be seeing on screen or on your own inkjet printout is no guarantee of what it may look like when printed by the print firm. > GimpPrint offers saturation control, UniPrint will print the bitmap created by the RISC OS end through the printer driver on the PC of the device chosen. Many of these have the ability to change settings that will effect colour. > but how do I convert 140MB postscript files to PDF reliably? > Not Riscript of !ps2pdf :-( I would use Adobe Acrobat Distiller, but it has many settings that can greatly effect the final PDF so you would need to ask the print firm what they require. Or better still, ask if they can deal with the PostScript files directly. I would of course use PostScript files that have been created directly from the RISC OS PostScript Level 2 printer driver. Although there are issues related to printing sprites and JPEGS that have been discussed here before (search the archives for more info, or even Google through the c.s.acorn newsgroup archives). The most important thing you can do is ask for a colour matched proof before they print the job. It's not always 100% accurate but it's about as close as you will get. Well, a Wet proof is actually as close as you'll get, but they can be expensive as they are created on the press so you will be charged for machine set-up time - unless of course it's going to be printed on a digital press. If, when the job is printed, it looks nothing like the colour proof that you approved then don't accept or pay for the job. The best advice I can offer is talk to your print firm. If you have difficulty in communicating your requirements with the printer, then maybe, its better to use a different firm - there are lots out there to choose from. BTW Ovation Pro has does have colour correction facilities to alter its printer output. See the chapter 13 in the manual - Commercial Colour Printing. -- Gavin Crawford email: gav@crawford-print.co.uk web: www.crawford-print.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Aug 10 19:04:53 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BuJBh-0006X7-Pn-0006XX."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 19:04:53 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BuJBh-0006X7-Pn; Mon, 09 Aug 2004 23:04:19 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BuJBh-0006X7-Pn; Mon, 09 Aug 2004 23:04:18 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BuJBh-0004S5-IM; Mon, 09 Aug 2004 23:04:17 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BuJAy-0003Uy-Rf; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 00:03:32 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i79N1LF00350 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 00:01:21 +0100 Received: from mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk (mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk [212.9.8.7]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with SMTP id i79N1Lp00339 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 00:01:21 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from iyonix ([82.112.128.78]) by mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk (Merak 7.4.5) with SMTP id DEMO for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 00:01:19 +0100 Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 00:01:52 +0100 From: michael talibard To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] space before Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.06) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by svr1.spellings.net id i79N1Lp00340 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Space-before behaves oddly. If this is a design feature rather than a bug, I would be fascinated to learn what purpose it has. To see what I mean, try the following. 1. Create a document with a 2-column master-page. 2. Drop in or write at least a pageful of text. 3. Create a style (perhaps called 'head') which includes a space-before effect of (say) 8pt. [It might also do something such as embolden or indent just to make it more obvious where it has been applied.] 4. Put in headings (any little phrase on its own line) at the beginning, near the foot of column one and near the foot of column two. Apply the style 'head' to these. 5. Now, practise some different methods of pushing a heading from the foot of column one into column two, for example a) caret just before heading, press return b) caret in line above, press return c) caret two or more lines above, press return d) type characters into line above till overfull e) type characters two or more lines above etc. Between each, press delete and try the next one. 6. In each case, note down whether the heading 'forgets' or 'remembers' the space-before˜that is, whether it finishes level with the heading at the start of the text. 7. Now try out the same methods of pushing a heading onto page two, and record results. You will find that page-break behaviour is not the same as column-break, and neither makes much sense. 8. When you have a heading that has 'forgotten' (for example, after using 5a, then experiment with possible methods of curing this amnesia: a) type return, delete (works) b) type delete, return (doesn't work) c) use style-palette to remove & restore style (works) d) use undo, redo (doesn't work) etc. I have recently been writing a pamphlet in which I wanted evenly spaced headings, three in each column, level with each other (yes, I know I could have used a grid). I have needed to re-word it frequently, and have had to do so much 'reminding' of the space-before that it has been quite irritating. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Aug 10 22:23:09 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BudzL-0002nA-B8-0002nX."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 22:23:09 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BudzL-0002nA-B8; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 21:16:56 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BudzL-0002nA-B8; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 21:16:55 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BudzL-0001aa-9D; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 21:16:55 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Budz0-0001EE-Ab; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 22:16:34 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i7ALFLO16988 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 22:15:21 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i7ALFKp16985 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 22:15:21 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Budxo-00036v-0b for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 21:15:20 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 22:13:41 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] dictionary OP Win MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >From: A little off topic maybe I notice that while the spellcheck on OP for RiscOs will not accept words like wouldn't couldn't and shouldn't without the apostrophe the Windows version wont accept them with. Has there been some decree brought down by the gardians of the English language to abolish the apostrophe in these cases or is it an abberation of the particular dictionary? -- Regards Dan McCarthy -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Aug 10 22:33:09 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Bue7g-0006Xu-81-0006YW."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 22:33:09 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Bue7g-0006Xu-81; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 21:25:33 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Bue7g-0006Xu-81; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 21:25:32 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Bue7g-0004er-9r; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 21:25:32 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Bue7N-00053Y-8j; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 22:25:13 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i7ALOHV19072 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 22:24:17 +0100 Received: from roma.localnet (pD95DB818.dip.t-dialin.net [217.93.184.24]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i7ALOGA19067 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 22:24:16 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [192.168.0.105] (helo=iyonix) by roma.localnet with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1Bue6Q-0007h9-00 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 23:24:14 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Bellon To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 23:24:34 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] DPlngScan and > A4 Message-ID: <4cdc75453fsbellon@sbellon.de> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.05) POPstar/2.05 X-Request-PGP: http://www.sbellon.de/gpg.asc X-PGP-ID: 05360CB9 / 55DB 48FE BA59 7BA0 2B9D 4822 38C5 EC21 0536 0CB9 X-URL: http://www.sbellon.de/ Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi! Today I wanted to scan something bigger than A4 with my old HP ScanJet 3c. The scanner itself can scan up to around 35 cm in height, but either DPlngScan or the TWAIN driver didn't allow me to do so. Well, they did allow me to do so, but everything larger than A4 was white. Is this a known limitation or what did I do wrong? -- Stefan Bellon -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Aug 10 22:43:10 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BueJD-0002H7-6P-0002HU."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 22:43:10 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BueJD-0002H7-6P; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 21:37:28 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BueJD-0002H7-6P; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 21:37:27 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BueJD-0002Oy-On; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 21:37:27 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BueIv-0006ew-65; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 22:37:09 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i7ALaG521314 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 22:36:16 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i7ALaGY21309 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 22:36:16 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BueI4-000FRp-0Y for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 21:36:16 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 22:35:08 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] dictionary OP Win References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, >A little off topic maybe Bang on target if you ask me. >I notice that while the spellcheck on OP for RiscOs will not accept >words like wouldn't couldn't and shouldn't without the apostrophe the >Windows version wont accept them with. > >Has there been some decree brought down by the gardians of the English >language to abolish the apostrophe in these cases or is it an >abberation of the particular dictionary? It's just the dictionary that is at fault. My guess would be that when I copied the dictionary over there was some sort of bug that led to apostrophes being lost. I'll investigate and upload a new version of the dictionary to my web site soon. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Aug 10 22:53:10 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BuePc-0006uY-Bi-0006vf."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 22:53:10 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BuePc-0006uY-Bi; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 21:44:05 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BuePc-0006uY-Bi; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 21:44:04 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BuePc-0000Zr-EO; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 21:44:04 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BuePP-0001Ge-Pu; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 22:43:51 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i7ALh1O22202 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 22:43:01 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i7ALh1n22198 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 22:43:01 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BueOb-0006Oq-0b for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 21:43:01 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 22:41:33 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] DPlngScan and > A4 References: <4cdc75453fsbellon@sbellon.de> In-Reply-To: <4cdc75453fsbellon@sbellon.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Today I wanted to scan something bigger than A4 with my old HP ScanJet >3c. The scanner itself can scan up to around 35 cm in height, but >either DPlngScan or the TWAIN driver didn't allow me to do so. Well, >they did allow me to do so, but everything larger than A4 was white. There should be no limitation. But in TWAIN 2 there is a page size, which you'll need to change (from the appropriate menu). Secondly most of the scanner drivers use the scanner to enforce the maximum area - dim recollection for the HP, the driver will ask it to scan 35cm, and then read back how much the scanner is actually prepared to scan - if it says 31cm that's the end of it. Other scanners will tell my software the maximum area. Often US scanners can go above A4 (that is why you'll find 'letter' and 'legal' as page sizes in the driver), but for all scanners the size of the glass is not a reliable guide to the max size of scan. Oh and you'll need to change the DPSS page size too. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Aug 10 22:53:11 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BueRh-000070-Dw-00007T."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 22:53:11 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BueRh-000070-Dw; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 21:46:14 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BueRh-000070-Dw; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 21:46:13 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BueRh-0000XK-4Y; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 21:46:13 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BueRG-0003lm-Mw; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 22:45:46 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i7ALj3E22525 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 22:45:03 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i7ALj3j22522 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 22:45:03 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BueQY-0006ZC-0b for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 21:45:02 +0000 Message-ID: <9aqdqKGNGUGBFwJv@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 22:43:41 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] space before References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Space-before behaves oddly. If this is a design feature >rather than a bug, I would be fascinated to learn what >purpose it has. To see what I mean, try the following. Thanks for the bug report... -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Aug 10 23:03:11 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BueYv-0001K1-66-0001KR."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 23:03:11 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BueYv-0001K1-66; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 21:53:42 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BueYv-0001K1-66; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 21:53:41 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BueYv-0006fx-LM; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 21:53:41 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BueYa-00037B-Jd; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 22:53:20 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i7ALqXh23595 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 22:52:33 +0100 Received: from roma.localnet (pD95DB818.dip.t-dialin.net [217.93.184.24]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i7ALqWH23589 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 22:52:33 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [192.168.0.105] (helo=iyonix) by roma.localnet with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1BueXo-0008Lu-00 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 23:52:32 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Bellon To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 23:52:51 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: DPlngScan and > A4 Message-ID: <4cdc77dc40sbellon@sbellon.de> In-Reply-To: References: <4cdc75453fsbellon@sbellon.de> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.05) POPstar/2.05 X-Request-PGP: http://www.sbellon.de/gpg.asc X-PGP-ID: 05360CB9 / 55DB 48FE BA59 7BA0 2B9D 4822 38C5 EC21 0536 0CB9 X-URL: http://www.sbellon.de/ Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) David Pilling wrote: > >Today I wanted to scan something bigger than A4 with my old HP > >ScanJet 3c. The scanner itself can scan up to around 35 cm in > >height, but either DPlngScan or the TWAIN driver didn't allow me to > >do so. Well, they did allow me to do so, but everything larger than > >A4 was white. > There should be no limitation. But in TWAIN 2 there is a page size, > which you'll need to change (from the appropriate menu). Ouch, I think I could have missed that! I changed the area to scan, I changed the page size in DPSS, but I didn't remember that TWAIN has its own page size. Will try that tomorrow. Thanks! -- Stefan Bellon -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Aug 11 00:13:14 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BufiN-00079X-IR-0007BK."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 00:13:14 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BufiN-00079X-IR; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 23:07:32 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BufiN-00079X-IR; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 23:07:31 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BufiN-0003Gz-Hk; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 23:07:31 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Bufi7-0007xO-Tz; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 00:07:15 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i7AN6Op02916 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 00:06:24 +0100 Received: from mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (mta01-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.41]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i7AN6NK02913 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 00:06:23 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from trapdoor.kaijaks.co.uk ([80.5.191.219]) by mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20040810230546.ULZY277.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@trapdoor.kaijaks.co.uk> for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 00:05:46 +0100 Received: from VAIO (unknown [192.168.1.101]) by trapdoor.kaijaks.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 475E3151 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 19:06:23 -0400 (EDT) From: "Nick Kaijaks" To: Subject: RE: [softwarelist] space before Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 00:06:34 +0100 Message-ID: <001801c47f2e$aea15b90$6501a8c0@VAIO> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: <9aqdqKGNGUGBFwJv@pilling.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_20,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Michael wrote: >Space-before behaves oddly. If this is a design feature >rather than a bug, I would be fascinated to learn what >purpose it has. To see what I mean, try the following. You know, this odd behaviour is something I've always just worked around. In ten years, it's never occurred to me to actually formalise it and report it as a bug... Ho hum, Nick -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Aug 11 02:43:22 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Bui3s-0006Nm-3i-0006OB."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 02:43:22 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Bui3s-0006Nm-3i; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 01:37:53 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Bui3s-0006Nm-3i; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 01:37:52 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Bui3r-0004Qv-SK; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 01:37:51 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Bui3f-0001hl-2L; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 02:37:39 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i7B1bGJ28274 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 02:37:16 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i7B1bFW28270 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 02:37:15 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Bui3G-000B9q-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 01:37:15 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 02:36:00 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OPro - colour saturation References: <93cf4eda4c.Martin@heleigh.org.uk> <4cdbb4f937gav@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4cdbb4f937gav@crawford-print.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >BTW Ovation Pro has does have colour correction facilities to alter its >printer output. See the chapter 13 in the manual - Commercial Colour >Printing. But only for separations. I wonder why the direct route from RISC OS PostScript printer driver output to PDF (via GhostScript (aka ps2pdf)) is ruled out? -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Aug 11 14:57:40 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Bunp6-0001YK-6n-0001ax."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 14:57:40 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Bunp6-0001YK-6n; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 07:47:01 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Bunp6-0001YK-6n; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 07:47:00 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Bunp5-0003ud-U8; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 07:47:00 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Bunok-000804-VI; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 08:46:38 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i7B7k3T01053 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 08:46:03 +0100 Received: from mra03.ex.eclipse.net.uk (mra01.ex.eclipse.net.uk [212.104.129.110]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i7B7k2A01043 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 08:46:03 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mra03.ex.eclipse.net.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDCE72E3279 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 08:41:22 +0100 (BST) Received: from mra03.ex.eclipse.net.uk ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mra03.ex.eclipse.net.uk [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 07175-01-43 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 08:41:22 +0100 (BST) Received: from MartinRPC (unknown [81.168.120.8]) by mra03.ex.eclipse.net.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 265D52E2DAE for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 08:41:19 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 08:45:16 +0100 From: Martin Devon To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OPro - colour saturation Message-ID: References: <93cf4eda4c.Martin@heleigh.org.uk> <4cdbb4f937gav@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/4.37) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by Eclipse VIRUSshield at eclipse.net.uk Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > >BTW Ovation Pro has does have colour correction facilities to alter its > >printer output. See the chapter 13 in the manual - Commercial Colour > >Printing. > > But only for separations. > > I wonder why the direct route from RISC OS PostScript printer driver > output to PDF (via GhostScript (aka ps2pdf)) is ruled out? Tried that as first choice, but a PS file of 138MB reduced to a PDF of 109MB so I thought, rightly or not, that something was amiss. Martin -- Martin R. Devon MSc Consulting Engineer Box, Wilts, UK -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Aug 11 14:57:42 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Buoa7-00040o-9S-00041f."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 14:57:42 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Buoa7-00040o-9S; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 08:35:37 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Buoa7-00040o-9S; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 08:35:35 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Buoa7-0001Qt-Je; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 08:35:35 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BuoZr-0002SI-5y; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 09:35:19 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i7B8Z9w14583 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 09:35:09 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i7B8Z8T14578 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 09:35:08 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([83.104.47.124]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BuoZg-000G82-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 08:35:08 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 09:35:27 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OPro - colour saturation Message-ID: <4cdcb2b0f8john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <93cf4eda4c.Martin@heleigh.org.uk> <4cdbb4f937gav@crawford-print.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 11 Aug, Martin Devon wrote: > > >BTW Ovation Pro has does have colour correction facilities to alter > > >its printer output. See the chapter 13 in the manual - Commercial > > >Colour Printing. > > > > But only for separations. > > > > I wonder why the direct route from RISC OS PostScript printer driver > > output to PDF (via GhostScript (aka ps2pdf)) is ruled out? > Tried that as first choice, but a PS file of 138MB reduced to a PDF of > 109MB so I thought, rightly or not, that something was amiss. Why would you think that to be wrong? -- John Cartmell john@ followed by finnybank.com FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 Qercus magazine & FD Games www.finnybank.com www.acornuser.com Qercus - a fusion of Acorn Publisher & Acorn User magazines -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Aug 11 14:57:44 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Bupvg-0003gS-Gr-0003hF."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 14:57:44 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Bupvg-0003gS-Gr; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 10:01:57 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Bupvg-0003gS-Gr; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 10:01:56 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Bupvf-0004ZI-Qs; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 10:01:56 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BupvL-0000e4-7p; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 11:01:35 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i7BA0ST08069 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 11:00:28 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i7BA0QB07985 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 11:00:27 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from south-frm.demon.co.uk ([80.177.26.219] helo=greatest) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BupuD-0007WN-0X for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 10:00:25 +0000 Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 10:58:42 +0100 From: Tim Powys-Lybbe Message-ID: <4450badc4c.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.06) POPstar/2.06-ds.1 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] Banding on DPlngScan MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Under certain circumstances Scaling an image to a slightly smaller size produces banding on the image, even pure white gets banded. This is using DPlngScan v. 1.18 on an Iyonix 5.06. I first found this when scaling a very complicated file that was originally a TIF. But I can now reproduce this with an simple shape: 1. Create a square sprite of 1000 by 1000 pixels, no mask and no palette. 2. On this sprite select a mid grey colour (about colour number 211 on the 256 colour picker) and create a sold circle of width marginally less than 1000 pixels. 3. Save this sprite. 4. Using DPlngScan, open this sprite and do Menu > Colour > Grey Scale. Save this sprite with a new name. 5. Still using DPlingScan, open the new grey-scale sprite and do Menu > Edit > Scale. Set the Lock aspect box and the bottom. Choose Resize to 850 pixels. 6. Observe the horizontal banding. Curiously the banding does not appear for size reductions to below 700 pixels nor for any size increases. In fact the banding appears on my complex source file when it is in 24 bit colour (though only using greys). But I cannot reproduce the banding on a simple circle that is in 24 bit colour, only when it has been changed to grey scale. I tried to use Photodesk for the first time (my object is to create a JPEG which both DPlngscan and Photodesk will do) and managed successfully to reduce the size to 850 pixels with no banding. -- Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Aug 11 15:07:35 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ButlC-0006V4-CT-0006Vb."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 15:07:35 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ButlC-0006V4-CT; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 14:07:23 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ButlC-0006V4-CT; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 14:07:22 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ButlC-0005QT-Kf; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 14:07:22 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1ButkU-0005jr-Vl; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 15:06:38 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i7BE6LO17492 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 15:06:21 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i7BE6KP17480 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 15:06:20 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1ButkC-0005kR-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 14:06:20 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 15:04:57 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Banding on DPlngScan References: <4450badc4c.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4450badc4c.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Under certain circumstances Scaling an image to a slightly smaller size >produces banding on the image, even pure white gets banded. This is >using DPlngScan v. 1.18 on an Iyonix 5.06. Just one thing first, this banding, is it real? By that I mean if you use the magnify tool in DPSS and click on 'rational' does the banding still appear? The danger with looking at on screen displays is that sometimes they introduce distortions. Whilst DPSS uses a sophisticated technique when you use rescale and actually change the image, it uses a crude technique for the on the fly rescaling required to display the image on screen. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Aug 11 16:07:37 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Buud9-0003Bd-M0-0003C5."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 16:07:37 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Buud9-0003Bd-M0; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 15:03:08 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Buud9-0003Bd-M0; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 15:03:07 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Buud9-0000lY-Ix; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 15:03:07 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Buuc1-0001O9-8A; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 16:01:57 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i7BF1kG00582 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 16:01:46 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i7BF1jr00574 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 16:01:46 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from south-frm.demon.co.uk ([80.177.26.219] helo=greatest) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Buubo-0008L6-0b for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 15:01:44 +0000 Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 16:00:15 +0100 From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Banding on DPlngScan Message-ID: References: <4450badc4c.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.06) POPstar/2.06-ds.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message of 11 Aug, David Pilling wrote: > >Under certain circumstances Scaling an image to a slightly smaller size > >produces banding on the image, even pure white gets banded. This is > >using DPlngScan v. 1.18 on an Iyonix 5.06. > > Just one thing first, this banding, is it real? By that I mean if you > use the magnify tool in DPSS and click on 'rational' does the banding > still appear? Phew! That had me worried. Yes the bands are real. And if I go on reducing that image it gets worse and worse but I think that is that the bands remain of the same size (wavelength?) while the circle/disc gets smaller. > The danger with looking at on screen displays is that sometimes they > introduce distortions. Whilst DPSS uses a sophisticated technique when > you use rescale and actually change the image, it uses a crude technique > for the on the fly rescaling required to display the image on screen. I can send you copies of the pre and post scaling files but they are just under 1M each. I was hoping that my account would enable an speedy replication without a need for large e-mails. -- Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Aug 11 16:07:37 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BuudJ-0005HV-R9-0005I8."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 16:07:37 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BuudJ-0005HV-R9; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 15:03:18 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BuudJ-0005HV-R9; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 15:03:17 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BuudJ-0002Cj-6D; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 15:03:17 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Buucu-0003d4-JD; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 16:02:52 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i7BF2mv00863 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 16:02:48 +0100 Received: from roma.localnet (pD95DB422.dip.t-dialin.net [217.93.180.34]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i7BF2l400857 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 16:02:47 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [192.168.0.105] (helo=iyonix) by roma.localnet with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1Buucn-0008Hi-00 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 17:02:45 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Bellon To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 17:02:54 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: DPlngScan and > A4 Message-ID: <4cdcd62a02sbellon@sbellon.de> In-Reply-To: <4cdc77dc40sbellon@sbellon.de> References: <4cdc75453fsbellon@sbellon.de> <4cdc77dc40sbellon@sbellon.de> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.05) POPstar/2.05 X-Request-PGP: http://www.sbellon.de/gpg.asc X-PGP-ID: 05360CB9 / 55DB 48FE BA59 7BA0 2B9D 4822 38C5 EC21 0536 0CB9 X-URL: http://www.sbellon.de/ Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Stefan Bellon wrote: > David Pilling wrote: > > >Today I wanted to scan something bigger than A4 with my old HP > > >ScanJet 3c. The scanner itself can scan up to around 35 cm in > > >height, but either DPlngScan or the TWAIN driver didn't allow me to > > >do so. Well, they did allow me to do so, but everything larger than > > >A4 was white. > > There should be no limitation. But in TWAIN 2 there is a page size, > > which you'll need to change (from the appropriate menu). > Ouch, I think I could have missed that! I changed the area to scan, I > changed the page size in DPSS, but I didn't remember that TWAIN has > its own page size. Will try that tomorrow. Thanks! Yes, right, it works for scanning if you set paper size in TWAIN to A3. However it only works for the final scan. The preview scan still only does A4. Is this fixed? -- Stefan Bellon -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Aug 11 16:27:38 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Buuyj-0001CY-HE-0001DG."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 16:27:38 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Buuyj-0001CY-HE; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 15:25:26 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Buuyj-0001CY-HE; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 15:25:25 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Buuyj-0006Jr-1b; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 15:25:25 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BuuyQ-00006d-4W; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 16:25:06 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i7BFOuN07468 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 16:24:56 +0100 Received: from mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk (mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk [212.9.8.7]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with SMTP id i7BFOuC07465 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 16:24:56 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from iyonix ([82.112.128.236]) by mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk (Merak 7.4.5) with SMTP id DEMO for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 16:24:54 +0100 Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 16:25:24 +0100 From: michael talibard To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: DPlngScan and > A4 Message-ID: <6c39d8dc4c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> References: <4cdc75453fsbellon@sbellon.de> <4cdc77dc40sbellon@sbellon.de> <4cdcd62a02sbellon@sbellon.de> In-Reply-To: <4cdcd62a02sbellon@sbellon.de> X-Organization: home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.06) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4cdcd62a02sbellon@sbellon.de> you wrote: > Stefan Bellon wrote: > > David Pilling wrote: > > > > >Today I wanted to scan something bigger than A4 with my old HP > > > >ScanJet 3c. The scanner itself can scan up to around 35 cm in > > > >height, but either DPlngScan or the TWAIN driver didn't allow me to > > > >do so. Well, they did allow me to do so, but everything larger than > > > >A4 was white. > > > > There should be no limitation. But in TWAIN 2 there is a page size, > > > which you'll need to change (from the appropriate menu). > > > Ouch, I think I could have missed that! I changed the area to scan, I > > changed the page size in DPSS, but I didn't remember that TWAIN has > > its own page size. Will try that tomorrow. Thanks! > > Yes, right, it works for scanning if you set paper size in TWAIN to A3. > However it only works for the final scan. The preview scan still only > does A4. Is this fixed? > My method is to make two or more part-scans and join them up in Photodesk. Fiddly, but works well. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Aug 11 17:07:40 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BuvYQ-0007Lj-Hg-0007M9."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 17:07:40 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BuvYQ-0007Lj-Hg; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 16:02:19 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BuvYQ-0007Lj-Hg; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 16:02:18 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BuvYQ-0000Z5-8Q; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 16:02:18 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BuvXe-000710-6R; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 17:01:30 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i7BG0oW17894 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 17:00:50 +0100 Received: from ptb-relay01.plus.net (ptb-relay01.plus.net [212.159.14.212]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i7BG0oq17889 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 17:00:50 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [212.159.46.232] (helo=IYONIX) by ptb-relay01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1BuvWy-000HoF-8S for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 16:00:48 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Evan Clark To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 16:59:52 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Banding on DPlngScan Message-ID: <4cdcdb60e6evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4450badc4c.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> References: <4450badc4c.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.06) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4450badc4c.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk>, Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: > Under certain circumstances Scaling an image to a slightly smaller > size produces banding on the image, even pure white gets banded. > This is using DPlngScan v. 1.18 on an Iyonix 5.06. [Snip detailed description of process] Try: Menu over iconbar icon -> Choices.. -> General -> Alias filter type -> Lanczos (for example) Following your procedure with filter type set as Hermite produces the banding you describe - using Lanczos there's no banding and sampling pixels at random from the grey circle shows all of them containing 73.3% R, G and B. Evan. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Aug 11 17:17:41 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Buvl2-0002Q2-8A-0002QY."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 17:17:41 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Buvl2-0002Q2-8A; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 16:15:21 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Buvl2-0002Q2-8A; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 16:15:20 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Buvl2-0005Fx-Ab; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 16:15:20 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BuvkW-0005Qn-8f; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 17:14:48 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i7BGEgY21232 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 17:14:42 +0100 Received: from roma.localnet (pD95DB422.dip.t-dialin.net [217.93.180.34]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i7BGEfe21225 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 17:14:41 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [192.168.0.105] (helo=iyonix) by roma.localnet with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1BuvkN-0000WP-00 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 18:14:39 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Bellon To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 18:14:52 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: DPlngScan and > A4 Message-ID: <4cdcdcc0aasbellon@sbellon.de> In-Reply-To: <6c39d8dc4c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> References: <4cdc75453fsbellon@sbellon.de> <4cdc77dc40sbellon@sbellon.de> <4cdcd62a02sbellon@sbellon.de> <6c39d8dc4c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.05) POPstar/2.05 X-Request-PGP: http://www.sbellon.de/gpg.asc X-PGP-ID: 05360CB9 / 55DB 48FE BA59 7BA0 2B9D 4822 38C5 EC21 0536 0CB9 X-URL: http://www.sbellon.de/ Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) michael talibard wrote: > In message <4cdcd62a02sbellon@sbellon.de> you wrote: > > Yes, right, it works for scanning if you set paper size in TWAIN to > > A3. However it only works for the final scan. The preview scan > > still only does A4. Is this fixed? > My method is to make two or more part-scans and > join them up in Photodesk. Fiddly, but works well. Well, as I mentioned, for the final scan it just works fine. It's only the preview that doesn't show the parts that are larger than A4. -- Stefan Bellon -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Aug 11 18:17:44 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BuwbY-0006j6-8g-0006jW."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 18:17:44 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BuwbY-0006j6-8g; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 17:09:37 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BuwbY-0006j6-8g; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 17:09:36 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BuwbY-00051m-BC; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 17:09:36 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BuwbO-00034v-3t; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 18:09:26 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i7BH99t03009 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 18:09:09 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i7BH98r03005 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 18:09:08 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from spcap.demon.co.uk ([62.49.28.232] helo=riscpc.local.net) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Buwb5-0001eB-0W for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 17:09:07 +0000 Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 18:08:09 +0100 (BST) From: Stephen Parkin Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: DPlngScan and > A4 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net In-Reply-To: <4cdcdcc0aasbellon@sbellon.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Home X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In on Wed 11 Aug, Stefan Bellon wrote: > michael talibard wrote: > > In message <4cdcd62a02sbellon@sbellon.de> you wrote: > > > > Yes, right, it works for scanning if you set paper size in TWAIN to > > > A3. However it only works for the final scan. The preview scan > > > still only does A4. Is this fixed? > > > My method is to make two or more part-scans and > > join them up in Photodesk. Fiddly, but works well. > > Well, as I mentioned, for the final scan it just works fine. It's only > the preview that doesn't show the parts that are larger than A4. > Did you remember to edit the settings of the Preview scan? Stephen -- Stephen Parkin -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Aug 11 18:27:45 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Buwrw-0007EI-7y-0007Ea."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 18:27:45 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Buwrw-0007EI-7y; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 17:26:32 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Buwrw-0007EI-7y; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 17:26:32 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Buwrw-0003fU-75; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 17:26:32 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Buwqq-0004Qw-BD; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 18:25:24 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i7BHPHO06218 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 18:25:17 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i7BHPHI06215 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 18:25:17 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from south-frm.demon.co.uk ([80.177.26.219] helo=greatest) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Buwqi-00048D-0W for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 17:25:16 +0000 Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 18:25:00 +0100 From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Banding on DPlngScan Message-ID: <662ce3dc4c.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> References: <4450badc4c.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <4cdcdb60e6evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4cdcdb60e6evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.06) POPstar/2.06-ds.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message of 11 Aug, Evan Clark wrote: > In article <4450badc4c.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk>, > Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: > > Under certain circumstances Scaling an image to a slightly smaller > > size produces banding on the image, even pure white gets banded. > > This is using DPlngScan v. 1.18 on an Iyonix 5.06. > > [Snip detailed description of process] > > Try: Menu over iconbar icon -> Choices.. -> General -> Alias filter > type -> Lanczos (for example) And I found no banding. Excellent. > > Following your procedure with filter type set as Hermite produces the > banding you describe - using Lanczos there's no banding and sampling > pixels at random from the grey circle shows all of them containing > 73.3% R, G and B. I wish I knew why Hermite led to Banding and Lanczos didn't. Never in a month of Sundays would I have cme up with this answer. Many thanks. -- Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Aug 11 19:27:47 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BuxkS-0002Fp-6T-0002GM."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 19:27:47 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BuxkS-0002Fp-6T; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 18:22:52 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BuxkS-0002Fp-6T; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 18:22:52 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BuxkR-0005Ly-R8; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 18:22:51 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BuxkB-0000pS-5l; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 19:22:35 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i7BIM8S17849 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 19:22:08 +0100 Received: from ptb-relay03.plus.net (ptb-relay03.plus.net [212.159.14.214]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i7BIM7s17846 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 19:22:07 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [212.159.46.232] (helo=IYONIX) by ptb-relay03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Buxjj-0003Cy-12 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 18:22:07 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Evan Clark To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 19:22:06 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Banding on DPlngScan Message-ID: <4cdce8668eevan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <662ce3dc4c.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> References: <4450badc4c.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <4cdcdb60e6evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> <662ce3dc4c.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.06) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <662ce3dc4c.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk>, Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: > I wish I knew why Hermite led to Banding and Lanczos didn't. Never > in a month of Sundays would I have cme up with this answer. Well don't ask me! I just muddle along by a little bit of knowledge along with trial and error. I guess a long session in a (very) good library with a selection of books on mathematics might reveal the answer, but life's too short... :-) Evan. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Aug 11 20:07:49 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BuyQB-0006Ie-7t-0006L8."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 20:07:49 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BuyQB-0006Ie-7t; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 19:06:00 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BuyQB-0006Ie-7t; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 19:05:59 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BuyQB-0005mB-8D; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 19:05:59 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BuyPl-000632-Sm; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 20:05:33 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i7BJ5Ng25514 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 20:05:23 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i7BJ5MA25509 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 20:05:23 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BuyPa-000BxM-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 19:05:22 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 20:03:48 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: DPlngScan and > A4 References: <4cdc75453fsbellon@sbellon.de> <4cdc77dc40sbellon@sbellon.de> <4cdcd62a02sbellon@sbellon.de> <6c39d8dc4c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> <4cdcdcc0aasbellon@sbellon.de> In-Reply-To: <4cdcdcc0aasbellon@sbellon.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Well, as I mentioned, for the final scan it just works fine. It's only >the preview that doesn't show the parts that are larger than A4. The preview is just a user defined scan. By default it will be defined with an area of A4 or slightly less. If you want a bigger area you've got to redefine it. To do that load the scan, change the parameters and then save as (user defined scan menu). You'll find a number of preview scans - black and white, grey, and colour, and on some scanners variations on them for transparency. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Aug 11 23:17:59 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Bv1HH-0007Pl-4i-0007Q9."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 23:17:59 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Bv1HH-0007Pl-4i; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 22:09:00 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Bv1HH-0007Pl-4i; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 22:08:59 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Bv1HH-0007SC-28; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 22:08:59 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Bv1GM-0005ge-4A; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 23:08:02 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i7BM7ch25317 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 23:07:38 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i7BM7cY25311 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 23:07:38 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Bv1Fx-0001mk-0X for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 22:07:37 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 23:06:21 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Banding on DPlngScan References: <4450badc4c.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <4cdcdb60e6evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> <662ce3dc4c.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <662ce3dc4c.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >I wish I knew why Hermite led to Banding and Lanczos didn't. Never in >a month of Sundays would I have cme up with this answer. I've been through the steps you describe. Even with Hermite it does not go wrong for me. I'd guess your example sprite would compress well - large areas of a fixed colour. I was using DPSS 1.19, I don't recall any difference in filtering, but I can email it you if you like. It might be useful to note that the Box filter is nearest neighbour interpolation (i.e. crude, miss out pixels scaling as in Paint), triangle is what many packages call "linear interpolation", and Lanczos usually gives the best results. 'None' on the filter menu actually does the same as 'Hermite'. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Aug 11 23:18:00 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Bv1M7-0000Ja-HE-0000KC."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 23:18:00 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Bv1M7-0000Ja-HE; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 22:14:00 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Bv1M7-0000Ja-HE; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 22:13:59 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Bv1M7-0003Ic-4I; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 22:13:59 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Bv1Ld-0000st-0V; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 23:13:29 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i7BMDHA26170 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 23:13:17 +0100 Received: from cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.174]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i7BMDGX26167 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 23:13:16 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from user-7831.l4.c3.dsl.pol.co.uk ([81.79.126.151] helo=Phoebe) by cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Bv1LP-00083A-RE for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 23:13:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mark Fraser To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 23:13:01 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Banding on DPlngScan Message-ID: <4cdcfd8abcmark@mfraz.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4450badc4c.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <4cdcdb60e6evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> <662ce3dc4c.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , David Pilling wrote: > I was using DPSS 1.19, I don't recall any difference in filtering, but I ^^^^^^^^^ Is this a new version? Haven't seen any announcement yet! > can email it you if you like. -- What's shaking, Norm? All four cheeks and a couple of chins, Coach. ___________________________________________ |\ /| ark Fraser /mfraz2002@hotmail.com | \/ | Somerset /www.mfraz.freeserve.co.uk | |__________/Acorn SA RISC PC You know what the sig means! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Aug 11 23:38:00 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Bv1fr-00031Z-7N-00031v."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 23:38:00 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Bv1fr-00031Z-7N; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 22:34:24 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Bv1fr-00031Z-7N; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 22:34:23 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Bv1fr-0000FL-2s; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 22:34:23 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Bv1fd-0005HK-Sf; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 23:34:09 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i7BMXvi29073 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 23:33:57 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i7BMXva29070 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 23:33:57 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Bv1fQ-000G3b-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 22:33:56 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 23:32:16 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Banding on DPlngScan References: <4450badc4c.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <4cdcdb60e6evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> <662ce3dc4c.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <4cdcfd8abcmark@mfraz.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4cdcfd8abcmark@mfraz.freeserve.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >> I was using DPSS 1.19, I don't recall any difference in filtering, but I >Is this a new version? Haven't seen any announcement yet! Those who need it, have it. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Aug 11 23:58:02 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Bv1xM-0000Kw-NV-0000LM."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 23:58:02 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Bv1xM-0000Kw-NV; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 22:52:28 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Bv1xM-0000Kw-NV; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 22:52:28 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Bv1xM-0001Nj-1j; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 22:52:28 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Bv1x6-0001Ez-3V; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 23:52:12 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i7BMq3332049 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 23:52:03 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i7BMq2A32046 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 23:52:03 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from south-frm.demon.co.uk ([80.177.26.219] helo=greatest) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Bv1ww-000BMC-0V for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 22:52:02 +0000 Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 23:49:45 +0100 From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Banding on DPlngScan Message-ID: References: <4450badc4c.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <4cdcdb60e6evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> <662ce3dc4c.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.06) POPstar/2.06-ds.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message of 11 Aug, David Pilling wrote: > >I wish I knew why Hermite led to Banding and Lanczos didn't. Never in > >a month of Sundays would I have cme up with this answer. > > I've been through the steps you describe. Even with Hermite it does not > go wrong for me. > > I'd guess your example sprite would compress well - large areas of a > fixed colour. > > I was using DPSS 1.19, I don't recall any difference in filtering, but I > can email it you if you like. > > It might be useful to note that the Box filter is nearest neighbour > interpolation (i.e. crude, miss out pixels scaling as in Paint), > triangle is what many packages call "linear interpolation", and Lanczos > usually gives the best results. > > 'None' on the filter menu actually does the same as 'Hermite'. > > E-mailed. -- Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Aug 12 02:58:09 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Bv4qe-0004Aj-PN-0004BF."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 02:58:09 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Bv4qe-0004Aj-PN; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 01:57:45 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Bv4qe-0004Aj-PN; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 01:57:44 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Bv4qe-0002Bf-Kv; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 01:57:44 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Bv4qU-0006n6-Ar; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 02:57:34 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i7C1vCh28244 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 02:57:12 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i7C1vB928240 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 02:57:12 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Bv4q7-000NRv-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 01:57:11 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 02:55:40 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] dictionary OP Win References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >I'll investigate and upload a new version of the dictionary to my web >site soon. I've fixed the Ovation Pro for Windows main dictionary. It had not just lost apostrophes but also some hyphens. The new dictionary is available from; http://www.davidpilling.net/dict.html Just download, run, and it will overwrite the existing main dictionary. If you've edited the main dictionary then you will lose any changes if you adopt this approach. We'll have to think of another plan if this is a problem for anyone. Quite interesting picking through the differences that have occurred over the years. The word 'internet' has appeared since 1990. However my personal copy has "competetiveness" in it, I wonder what provoked that spelling. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Aug 12 14:19:20 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Bv9xQ-0000nr-NP-0000oD."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 14:19:20 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Bv9xQ-0000nr-NP; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 07:25:05 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Bv9xQ-0000nr-NP; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 07:25:04 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Bv9xP-0004de-Py; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 07:25:03 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Bv9x5-0006iX-OG; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 08:24:43 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i7C7OG424775 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 08:24:16 +0100 Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i7C7OFr24767 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 08:24:15 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [62.188.146.14] (helo=62.188.146.14) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 1Bv9v4-0002dT-Gr for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 08:22:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Dr P.N.Young" To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 08:18:47 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: dictionary OP Win Message-ID: <4cdd2f8231pnyoung@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.03e (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , David Pilling wrote: > [Snip] > Quite interesting picking through the differences that have occurred > over the years. The word 'internet' has appeared since 1990. However my > personal copy has "competetiveness" in it, I wonder what provoked that > spelling. It also mis-spells my daughter's name: Cecelia instead of Cecilia. It seems to have a fixation in the letter 'e' :-) Best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 Anne \ / __ __ \ England. Cecilia / / \ | | |\ | / _ http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/pnyoung James / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \_____________ pnyoung@argonet.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Aug 12 14:29:19 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BvFZT-0004Mu-7k-0004Nb."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 14:29:19 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BvFZT-0004Mu-7k; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 13:24:44 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BvFZT-0004Mu-7k; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 13:24:43 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BvFZT-0000cd-5T; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 13:24:43 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BvFZ8-0004ED-Bc; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 14:24:22 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i7CDO1H29052 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 14:24:01 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i7CDO1k29044 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 14:24:01 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BvFYl-00051J-0X for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 13:23:59 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 14:22:51 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: dictionary OP Win References: <4cdd2f8231pnyoung@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4cdd2f8231pnyoung@argonet.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >It also mis-spells my daughter's name: Cecelia instead of Cecilia. It >seems to have a fixation in the letter 'e' :-) Erm. Is there only one spelling? names like "Derick" are a nightmare. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Aug 12 18:19:27 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BvJC5-00027g-98-00028N."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 18:19:27 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BvJC5-00027g-98; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 17:16:50 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BvJC5-00027g-98; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 17:16:49 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BvJC5-0004mm-LH; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 17:16:49 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BvJAu-0002qF-QI; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 18:15:36 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i7CHFN726927 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 18:15:23 +0100 Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i7CHFMt26924 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 18:15:22 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [62.188.135.242] (helo=62.188.135.242) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BvJ96-00085c-PG for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 18:13:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Dr P.N.Young" To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 18:10:49 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: dictionary OP Win Message-ID: <4cdd65b609pnyoung@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4cdd2f8231pnyoung@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03e (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , David Pilling wrote: > >It also mis-spells my daughter's name: Cecelia instead of Cecilia. It > >seems to have a fixation in the letter 'e' :-) > Erm. Is there only one spelling? names like "Derick" are a nightmare. There are two spellings of 'Cecilia', the correct one and the incorrect one! :-) The derivation is from the feminine of 'Cecil'. Best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 Anne \ / __ __ \ England. Cecilia / / \ | | |\ | / _ http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/pnyoung James / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \_____________ pnyoung@argonet.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Aug 12 18:39:28 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BvJON-0003MY-AP-0003N7."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 18:39:28 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BvJON-0003MY-AP; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 17:29:32 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BvJON-0003MY-AP; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 17:29:31 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BvJON-00010g-2n; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 17:29:31 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BvJNC-0002q5-J5; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 18:28:18 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i7CHSA329234 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 18:28:10 +0100 Received: from lon-mail-3.gradwell.net (lon-mail-3.gradwell.net [193.111.201.127]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with SMTP id i7CHS9329231 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 18:28:09 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: (qmail 96305 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2004 17:28:09 -0000 Received: from magpieway.net (HELO ?192.168.10.7?) (tony@pop3.vanderhoff.org@62.3.222.108) by lon-mail-3.gradwell.net with SMTP; 12 Aug 2004 17:28:09 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 18:28:07 +0100 From: Tony van der Hoff To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: dictionary OP Win Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4cdd65b609pnyoung@argonet.co.uk> References: <4cdd2f8231pnyoung@argonet.co.uk> <4cdd65b609pnyoung@argonet.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net User-Agent: Gemini/1.45d (Qt/3.2.3) (Linux-i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) "Dr P.N.Young" wrote in message <4cdd65b609pnyoung@argonet.co.uk> > In article , > David Pilling wrote: > > >It also mis-spells my daughter's name: Cecelia instead of Cecilia. It > > >seems to have a fixation in the letter 'e' :-) > > > Erm. Is there only one spelling? names like "Derick" are a nightmare. > > There are two spellings of 'Cecilia', the correct one and the incorrect > one! :-) > > The derivation is from the feminine of 'Cecil'. > Google turns up sufficient instances of "Cecelia", including the paron saint of music, to suggest that either form has become valid... -- Tony van der Hoff Buckinghamshire England -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Aug 12 18:39:29 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BvJWC-0000Ap-AO-0000B9."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 18:39:29 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BvJWC-0000Ap-AO; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 17:37:36 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BvJWC-0000Ap-AO; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 17:37:36 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BvJWC-0004BE-0U; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 17:37:36 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BvJVx-0001TI-RL; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 18:37:21 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i7CHbGu31975 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 18:37:16 +0100 Received: from mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk (mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk [212.9.8.7]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with SMTP id i7CHbFP31972 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 18:37:15 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from iyonix ([82.112.128.18]) by mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk (Merak 7.4.5) with SMTP id DEMO for ; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 18:37:14 +0100 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 18:37:40 +0100 From: michael talibard To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: dictionary OP Win Message-ID: <6b2b68dd4c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> References: <4cdd2f8231pnyoung@argonet.co.uk> <4cdd65b609pnyoung@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.06) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by svr1.spellings.net id i7CHbFP31973 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > > > Google turns up sufficient instances of "Cecelia", including the paron saint > of music, to suggest that either form has become valid... > But Google also turns up many instances of 'Jhon' - who can define the number of mistakes or perversities needed for error to become 'valid'? -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Aug 12 19:09:30 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BvJrr-0004j3-Pp-0004jS."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 19:09:30 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BvJrr-0004j3-Pp; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 17:59:59 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BvJrr-0004j3-Pp; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 17:59:59 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BvJrq-0006ET-PJ; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 17:59:58 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BvJrZ-0007op-T9; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 18:59:41 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i7CHxYP03807 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 18:59:34 +0100 Received: from lon-mail-3.gradwell.net (lon-mail-3.gradwell.net [193.111.201.127]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with SMTP id i7CHxYq03801 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 18:59:34 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: (qmail 37664 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2004 17:59:33 -0000 Received: from magpieway.net (HELO ?192.168.10.7?) (tony@pop3.vanderhoff.org@62.3.222.108) by lon-mail-3.gradwell.net with SMTP; 12 Aug 2004 17:59:33 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 18:59:32 +0100 From: Tony van der Hoff To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: dictionary OP Win Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6b2b68dd4c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> References: <4cdd2f8231pnyoung@argonet.co.uk> <4cdd65b609pnyoung@argonet.co.uk> <6b2b68dd4c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net User-Agent: Gemini/1.45d (Qt/3.2.3) (Linux-i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by svr1.spellings.net id i7CHxYq03804 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) michael talibard wrote in message <6b2b68dd4c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> > > > > > > Google turns up sufficient instances of "Cecelia", including the paron > > saint of music, to suggest that either form has become valid... > > > But Google also turns up many instances of 'Jhon' - > who can define the number of mistakes or perversities > needed for error to become 'valid'? > I was taking issue with the pedantic assertion that there is a 'wrong' and a 'correct' spelling. Someone using the alternative spelling would probably disagree with it. There will be some mistakes; but the majority seem to be genuine. In this instance, I believe Jhon is a valid SE Asian name... Moving back on-topic, whether or not proper names have a place in the dictionary is doubtful. IMHO they should really be placed in peoples' private dictionary. -- Tony van der Hoff Buckinghamshire England -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Aug 12 19:29:30 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BvKGA-0001Xq-Ej-0001YR."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 19:29:30 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BvKGA-0001Xq-Ej; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 18:25:07 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BvKGA-0001Xq-Ej; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 18:25:06 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BvKGA-0007SG-AT; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 18:25:06 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BvKFj-0005EG-Pm; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 19:24:39 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i7CIOUQ09109 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 19:24:30 +0100 Received: from smtp2.global.net.uk (smtp2.global.net.uk [80.189.94.52]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i7CIOU509104 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 19:24:30 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from gr.189.146.231.dial.global.net.uk ([80.189.146.231] helo=freenetname) by smtp2.global.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.24; FreeBSD) id 1BvKFZ-00097n-Di for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 19:24:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 19:14:10 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: dictionary OP Win Message-ID: <4cdd6b82c2dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4cdd65b609pnyoung@argonet.co.uk> References: <4cdd2f8231pnyoung@argonet.co.uk> <4cdd65b609pnyoung@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.39) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Authenticated-Sender: Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4cdd65b609pnyoung@argonet.co.uk>, Dr P.N.Young wrote: > In article , > David Pilling wrote: > > >It also mis-spells my daughter's name: Cecelia instead of Cecilia. It > > >seems to have a fixation in the letter 'e' :-) > > Erm. Is there only one spelling? names like "Derick" are a nightmare. > There are two spellings of 'Cecilia', the correct one and the incorrect > one! :-) > The derivation is from the feminine of 'Cecil'. > Best wishes, > > Peter. The one that stuffs me regularly is Frances (Fem)and Francis (Masc), I have a lady customer called Frances, and for some weird reason I keep writing Francis. Cheers Dave S PS: Interesting in that had I not been informed so by your posting, I would have written Cecelia rather than Cecilia. D. -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Aug 12 19:29:31 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BvKHW-00025j-Eb-00026L."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 19:29:31 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BvKHW-00025j-Eb; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 18:26:31 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BvKHW-00025j-Eb; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 18:26:30 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BvKHW-00000T-Ai; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 18:26:30 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BvKH6-00005t-EF; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 19:26:04 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i7CIQ1G09377 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 19:26:01 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i7CIQ0N09363 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 19:26:00 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from charleshope.demon.co.uk ([80.177.174.79] helo=RiscPC) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BvKH2-000OzI-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 18:26:00 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "charles.hope" To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 19:10:20 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: dictionary OP Win Message-ID: <4cdd6b28c2charles.hope@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4cdd2f8231pnyoung@argonet.co.uk> <4cdd65b609pnyoung@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.02f (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , Tony van der Hoff wrote: > "Dr P.N.Young" wrote in message > <4cdd65b609pnyoung@argonet.co.uk> > > In article , > > David Pilling wrote: > > > >It also mis-spells my daughter's name: Cecelia instead of Cecilia. > > > >It seems to have a fixation in the letter 'e' :-) > > > > > Erm. Is there only one spelling? names like "Derick" are a nightmare. > > > > There are two spellings of 'Cecilia', the correct one and the incorrect > > one! :-) > > > > The derivation is from the feminine of 'Cecil'. > > > Google turns up sufficient instances of "Cecelia", including the paron > saint of music, to suggest that either form has become valid... It's worth remebering that different languages spell the same name in different ways. In Austrai this spring I discovered that the French "Louis" is "Ludwig" in German. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Aug 12 20:39:34 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BvLNP-0006eZ-Hm-0006f1."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 20:39:34 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BvLNP-0006eZ-Hm; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 19:36:40 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BvLNP-0006eZ-Hm; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 19:36:39 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BvLNP-0006x6-AG; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 19:36:39 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BvLN6-0001L1-Do; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 20:36:20 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i7CJa2X20511 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 20:36:02 +0100 Received: from mra03.ex.eclipse.net.uk (mra01.ex.eclipse.net.uk [212.104.129.110]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i7CJa2620508 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 20:36:02 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mra03.ex.eclipse.net.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A4D32E2AAA for ; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 20:31:18 +0100 (BST) Received: from mra03.ex.eclipse.net.uk ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mra03.ex.eclipse.net.uk [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 22782-01-53 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 20:31:17 +0100 (BST) Received: from MartinRPC (unknown [81.168.127.23]) by mra03.ex.eclipse.net.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB4362E2A5B for ; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 20:31:16 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 20:35:44 +0100 From: Martin Devon To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: dictionary OP Win Message-ID: <8bfa72dd4c.Martin@heleigh.org.uk> References: <4cdd2f8231pnyoung@argonet.co.uk> <4cdd65b609pnyoung@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/4.37) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by Eclipse VIRUSshield at eclipse.net.uk Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > > > > The derivation is from the feminine of 'Cecil'. Ultimately from the Latin gens Caecilius, among the most famous were Caecilius Metellus (male) and Caecilia (female) > > > Google turns up sufficient instances of "Cecelia", including the paron saint > of music, to suggest that either form has become valid... Just plain wrong, unless you want to get mixed up with caecus = blind; caecula or caecella indicates small blind and female. -- Martin R. Devon MSc Consulting Engineer Box, Wilts, UK -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Aug 18 13:59:43 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BxIQp-0000g0-SR-0000gL."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 13:59:43 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BxIQp-0000g0-SR; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 04:52:16 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BxIQp-0000g0-SR; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 04:52:15 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BxIQp-0006Mc-Kv; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 04:52:15 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BxIQX-0001MD-Ui; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 05:51:57 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i7I4p5H19292 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 05:51:05 +0100 Received: from mail3.sa.chariot.net.au (mail3.sa.chariot.net.au [203.87.94.14]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i7I4p4U19286 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 05:51:04 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from mail.chariot.net.au (mail.chariot.net.au [203.87.95.38]) by mail3.sa.chariot.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3B05A3CD3 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 14:21:01 +0930 (CST) Received: from localhost (ppp-201.cust203-87-114.ghr.chariot.net.au [203.87.114.201]) by mail.chariot.net.au (Postfix) with SMTP id CE90A5F702 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 14:21:00 +0930 (CST) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 16:00:48 +0830 From: Peter Prewett To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] Ovation Windows Message-ID: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/4.37) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,DATE_IN_PAST_12_24,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I volunteered to take on a task for the railway club to create a file/page of each train that is on display at public exhibitions. I would like to do it on Ovation and have done the first few on the Risc PC and transferred them to Ovation Windows for printing. My problem is in the future when someone takes over the task and does not want them in Ovation format probably Word. Is their a solution to my dilemma? Other than transferring via a text file and leaving it up to them to compile in what format they like. Cheers Peter -- Peter Prewett, Coromandel Valley, South Australia -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Aug 18 13:59:45 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BxLz0-0006tm-Q4-0006uX."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 13:59:45 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BxLz0-0006tm-Q4; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 08:39:47 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BxLz0-0006tm-Q4; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 08:39:46 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BxLyz-0005UC-RO; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 08:39:45 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BxLyU-0006gl-F7; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 09:39:14 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i7I8cA422171 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 09:38:10 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i7I8cAB22161 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 09:38:10 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([83.104.47.124]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BxLxR-000JMC-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 08:38:09 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 09:35:24 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Windows Message-ID: <4ce04d89afjohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 17 Aug, Peter Prewett wrote: > I volunteered to take on a task for the railway club to create a > file/page of each train that is on display at public exhibitions. > I would like to do it on Ovation and have done the first few on the > Risc PC and transferred them to Ovation Windows for printing. > My problem is in the future when someone takes over the task and does > not want them in Ovation format probably Word. > Is their a solution to my dilemma? > Other than transferring via a text file and leaving it up to them to > compile in what format they like. If they use Word then they would have problems anyway as the application is not sufficiently flexible to cope with what you can do in Ovation. Just archive the text and graphics separately (as well as the Ovation files of course) and leave it to them to sort out. Of course you can always suggest they use the Windows version of Ovation if they use Windows... -- John Cartmell john@ followed by finnybank.com FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 Qercus magazine & FD Games www.finnybank.com www.acornuser.com Qercus - a fusion of Acorn Publisher & Acorn User magazines -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Aug 18 13:59:45 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BxM15-00003G-H4-00003q."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 13:59:45 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BxM15-00003G-H4; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 08:41:56 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BxM15-00003G-H4; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 08:41:55 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BxM15-0000yh-3V; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 08:41:55 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BxM0a-0005IR-6A; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 09:41:24 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i7I8eZe22830 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 09:40:35 +0100 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.188]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i7I8eZm22825 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 09:40:35 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.160] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BxLzm-000131-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 10:40:34 +0200 Received: from [62.180.24.194] (helo=bach) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BxLzm-0000ai-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 10:40:34 +0200 Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 10:22:59 +0200 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvPro printing Message-ID: References: <4cda24d235charles.hope@argonet.co.uk> <13003cda4c.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <13003cda4c.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.06) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <13003cda4c.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: > In message of 6 Aug, David Pilling wrote: > > > > While trying to print a document at 140% I get an OvPro error: > > > "Overflow while transforming point (print cancelled)". > > > > ISTR it is a Computer Concepts error, and is raised when a bitmap is > > too big (in the sense of containing too many pixels). CC did printer > > drivers and the ArtWorks rendering code. > > > > At which point Martin, will probably say something... > > Or not. He put his head up above the wall a day or so back to say he > was back after about a week's hol, was issuing a few Gimp-Pirnt > licences and was v. shortly off on further jolly hols. Thanks Tim for passing the message on. Yes, true, the above error message is from some CC code - either GDraw, GSpriteExtend or AWRender. In theory it can occur with any kind of object but it is most likely to occur with bitmaps. I would guess there is an embedded ArtWorks document containing a bitmap with a very large scaling factor. Please bear in mind that there are four layers of scaling involved: The scaling of the bitmap in the ArtWorks document, the scaling of the ArtWorks document in the OP document, the scaling in the OP print dialogue and finally some scaling done inside the printer driver (from standard OS resolution to the printer resolution). If the combined scaling of all that is too high you get the above error. I have no idea why saving the OP document as DDL and reloading it, which apparently cured the problem for Charles, should have any effect. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Aug 18 14:09:41 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BxQAy-0004W2-Eq-0004X3."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 14:09:41 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BxQAy-0004W2-Eq; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 13:08:26 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BxQAy-0004W2-Eq; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 13:08:24 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BxQAy-0001lu-BL; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 13:08:24 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BxQAM-0002Wk-Ef; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 14:07:46 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i7ID76T01727 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 14:07:06 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i7ID75M01723 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 14:07:05 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BxQ9h-000C9L-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 13:07:05 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 14:05:39 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Windows References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >My problem is in the future when someone takes over the task and does >not want them in Ovation format probably Word. >Is their a solution to my dilemma? OP (on both platforms) is somewhat lacking in import/export filters. I'd hope to improve matters in the future. I guess you do have some options though, like saving the OP documents as HTML. As John Cartmell hinted, because different programs have different features you'll never get a perfect match. Anyway OP for Windows is available from my web site, tell them that and leave them to decide if they want to move to another program ;-) -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Aug 18 16:39:46 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BxSSF-0005rB-3q-0005rk."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 16:39:46 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BxSSF-0005rB-3q; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 15:34:23 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BxSSF-0005rB-3q; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 15:34:23 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BxSSE-0001Xj-Uw; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 15:34:23 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BxSRz-0004lo-Mg; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 16:34:07 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i7IFXbv14576 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 16:33:37 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i7IFXbW14573 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 16:33:37 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BxSRQ-000EM4-0W for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 15:33:32 +0000 Message-ID: <$IG9uxDGa3IBFwJl@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 16:32:22 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Scanning Software 1.20 for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, Last week Tim Powys-Lybbe pointed out that DPSS produces 'bands' if some of the simple scaling filters are used for modest scale factors (e.g. 85%). I've uploaded version 1.20 to my web site which fixes this. This is also an opportunity for Iyonix users to get a version which can be set up to either not use a dynamic area or to use one with a limited size (see !ReadMe). This feature came in with version 1.19 which has not been generally available. Now someone might say, the same filter code is used in your TWAIN drivers, what about fixing them? As it happens TWAIN 2 already has the fix in it. Why I didn't take the fix over to DPSS in Summer 1998, I don't know. Perhaps the demise of Acorn at that time made me think there was no point. However it's not a totally happy ending because the TWAIN 2 code is not quite as accurate as that I've just put into DPSS. The URL; http://www.davidpilling.net/sc120.zip Finally this new upgrade will work with any older version of the software. So if climbing the upgrade ladder has been putting you off, you now have no excuse. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Aug 18 17:09:48 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BxSxg-0007ml-Fr-0007nb."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 17:09:48 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BxSxg-0007ml-Fr; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 16:06:53 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BxSxg-0007ml-Fr; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 16:06:52 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BxSxg-0003nk-Mo; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 16:06:52 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BxSwx-0006qM-EN; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 17:06:07 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i7IG5GO23810 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 17:05:16 +0100 Received: from frutiger.english.co.uk ([212.69.47.50]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i7IG5FA23804 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 17:05:16 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by frutiger.english.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 918CF19B9418 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 16:09:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: from baskerville.english.co.uk (unknown [10.0.7.22]) by frutiger.english.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65B00185631A for ; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 16:09:02 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 17:05:13 +0100 From: David Graddol Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <33146199.20040818170513@english.co.uk> To: David Pilling Subject: Re[2]: [softwarelist] Ovation Windows In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS 0.3.12pre8 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,HAS_ORGANIZATION,IN_REP_TO, PRIORITY_NO_NAME,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Wednesday, August 18, 2004, 2:05:39 PM, you wrote: >>My problem is in the future when someone takes over the task and does >>not want them in Ovation format probably Word. >>Is their a solution to my dilemma? DP> OP (on both platforms) is somewhat lacking in import/export filters. I'd DP> hope to improve matters in the future. DP> I guess you do have some options though, like saving the OP documents as DP> HTML. DP> As John Cartmell hinted, because different programs have different DP> features you'll never get a perfect match. DP> Anyway OP for Windows is available from my web site, tell them that and DP> leave them to decide if they want to move to another program ;-) Absolutely. This is not a job which Word is any good at, and there is no real standard for publishing or page layout software. There are already over half a dozen major programs. When working with commercial printers, the de facto standard for output is now definitely PDF. No one wants raw application files of any kind. PDFs from OvPro are as good as produced by Quark or InDesign. And PDF has become a bit of a reversible format: it's quite easy to export the text and images of a simple document back into RTF format and so recover the main text for use elsewhere. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Aug 18 17:19:48 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BxT47-0006dv-8P-0006ed."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 17:19:48 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BxT47-0006dv-8P; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 16:13:32 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BxT47-0006dv-8P; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 16:13:31 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BxT47-0003zE-B7; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 16:13:31 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BxT3s-0002qK-El; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 17:13:16 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i7IGCnk25955 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 17:12:49 +0100 Received: from mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (mta06-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.46]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i7IGCno25951 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 17:12:49 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from linux.at.home ([81.96.73.220]) by mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20040818161301.JNTX9678.mta06-svc.ntlworld.com@linux.at.home> for ; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 17:13:01 +0100 Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 17:12:48 +0100 From: John Pettigrew To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: Re[2]: [softwarelist] Ovation Windows Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <33146199.20040818170513@english.co.uk> References: <33146199.20040818170513@english.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-Organization: XL Cambridge User-Agent: Gemini/1.45d (Qt/3.3.1) (Linux-i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="527771460--1625489687--1687130741"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) --527771460--1625489687--1687130741 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a previous message, David Graddol wrote: > PDF has become a bit of a reversible format: it's quite easy to export = the > text and images of a simple document back into RTF format and so recove= r the > main text for use elsewhere. As a matter of general interest - how? I can extract unformatted text using the text select tool in Acrobat Read= er, but not formatted text. John --=20 John Pettigrew Headstrong Games=20 john@headstrong-games.co.uk Fun : Strategy : Price=20 http://www.headstrong-games.co.uk/ Board games that won't break the ban= k=20 Knossos: escape the ever-changing labyrinth before the Minotaur catches y= ou!=20 --527771460--1625489687--1687130741 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBBI4ABp6M/P/S/JWgRAhBzAJ9uXISKSXHJjlc2/SgKeTS7/XemDQCgjq/r G9Zqe6Buh10O7i+//ltVaXU= =mF8R -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --527771460--1625489687--1687130741-- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Aug 18 17:29:49 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BxTIL-0001kc-Nf-0001lR."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 17:29:49 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BxTIL-0001kc-Nf; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 16:28:14 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BxTIL-0001kc-Nf; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 16:28:13 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BxTIL-0001XH-4L; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 16:28:13 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BxTI7-0004Fz-4h; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 17:27:59 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i7IGRUm29334 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 17:27:30 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i7IGRUj29329 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 17:27:30 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BxTHe-0004O8-0b for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 16:27:30 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 17:26:20 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Windows References: <33146199.20040818170513@english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >As a matter of general interest - how? There seems to be a popular third party piece of commercial software that loads PDF's into MS Word. Dim recollection it is on tucows. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Aug 18 17:39:49 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BxTTC-00018A-GJ-00018m."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 17:39:49 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BxTTC-00018A-GJ; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 16:39:27 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BxTTC-00018A-GJ; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 16:39:26 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BxTTB-0002BN-RO; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 16:39:25 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BxTSu-0004Bc-Qm; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 17:39:08 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i7IGcEi31673 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 17:38:14 +0100 Received: from mta08-svc.ntlworld.com (mta08-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.48]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i7IGcDB31670 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 17:38:13 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from linux.at.home ([81.96.73.220]) by mta08-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20040818163806.ZHKI512.mta08-svc.ntlworld.com@linux.at.home> for ; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 17:38:06 +0100 Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 17:38:13 +0100 From: John Pettigrew To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Windows Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <33146199.20040818170513@english.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-Organization: XL Cambridge User-Agent: Gemini/1.45d (Qt/3.3.1) (Linux-i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="1385933976--854172621--1624984430"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) --1385933976--854172621--1624984430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a previous message, David Pilling wrote: > > As a matter of general interest - how? >=20 > There seems to be a popular third party piece of commercial software th= at > loads PDF's into MS Word. Dim recollection it is on tucows. Ah - money... I'll look into it, though, because it could be rather useful professional= ly. Thanks, John --=20 John Pettigrew XL Cambridge - contract and freelance editing Biology specialist Molecular biology, genetics, biotechnology john@xl-cambridge.com http://www.xl-cambridge.com/ PGP public key available --1385933976--854172621--1624984430 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBBI4X1p6M/P/S/JWgRAm7KAJ9H8i/mFaWdXGmMdiyiAItobdfDjgCeIV4O 5zy9cytk17i/dAskJ++DLro= =mzm2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --1385933976--854172621--1624984430-- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Aug 18 18:49:53 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BxUQn-0002cE-5x-0002de."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 18:49:53 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BxUQn-0002cE-5x; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 17:41:03 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BxUQn-0002cE-5x; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 17:41:01 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BxUQn-0005zQ-K6; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 17:41:01 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BxUPy-0006Ck-I9; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 18:40:10 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i7IHdEJ14247 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 18:39:14 +0100 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.186]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i7IHdDN14243 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 18:39:13 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.155] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BxUP3-0002D6-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 19:39:13 +0200 Received: from [62.180.24.239] (helo=bach) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BxUP2-0001XA-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 19:39:12 +0200 Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 19:36:50 +0200 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OPro - colour saturation Message-ID: References: <93cf4eda4c.Martin@heleigh.org.uk> <4cdbb4f937gav@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.06) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message Martin Devon wrote: > > > BTW Ovation Pro has does have colour correction facilities to alter > > > its printer output. See the chapter 13 in the manual - Commercial > > > Colour Printing. > > > > But only for separations. > > > > I wonder why the direct route from RISC OS PostScript printer driver > > output to PDF (via GhostScript (aka ps2pdf)) is ruled out? > > Tried that as first choice, but a PS file of 138MB reduced to a PDF of > 109MB so I thought, rightly or not, that something was amiss. It is pretty common for the resulting PDF file to be significantly smaller than the source PS file, quite often by a much larger margin. This is partly because PDF is more compact than PS. What really makes a difference though are the much better image compression options in PDF, most notably Flate compression for images. Please note that if you set up !ps2pdf wrongly or use the command-line ps2pdf tool you can end up with downsampled and/or JPEG-compressed images, which is not what you want for printing. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From tim@powys.org Wed Aug 18 20:09:57 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BxVjZ-0004DL-Rx-0004DR."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 20:09:57 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BxVjZ-0004DL-Rx; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 19:04:29 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BxVjZ-0004DL-Rx for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 19:04:29 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.88] (helo=anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BxVjZ-0002Yj-HT for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 19:04:29 +0000 Received: from south-frm.demon.co.uk ([80.177.26.219] helo=greatest) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BxVjW-000PUp-0U for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 19:04:26 +0000 Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 20:03:46 +0100 From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: opro@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Scanning Software 1.20 for RISC OS Message-ID: <4f1187e04c.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> References: <$IG9uxDGa3IBFwJl@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <$IG9uxDGa3IBFwJl@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.06) POPstar/2.06-ds.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message from David Pilling of 18 Aug you wrote: > Hi, > > Last week Tim Powys-Lybbe pointed out that DPSS produces 'bands' if some > of the simple scaling filters are used for modest scale factors (e.g. > 85%). > > I've uploaded version 1.20 to my web site which fixes this. Many thanks. -- Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Aug 18 21:40:02 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BxX6V-0003B9-CJ-0003BY."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 21:40:02 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BxX6V-0003B9-CJ; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 20:32:16 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BxX6V-0003B9-CJ; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 20:32:15 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BxX6V-0006Tx-CE; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 20:32:15 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BxX65-0007se-QN; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 21:31:49 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i7IKUvN12510 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 21:30:57 +0100 Received: from host1.kbnet.net (host1-rad.kbnet.net [81.26.107.6] (may be forged)) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i7IKUuf12506 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 21:30:56 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [213.1.11.251] (host213-1-11-251.webport.bt.net [213.1.11.251]) by host1.kbnet.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i7IKUsr00708 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 21:30:54 +0100 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 21:27:21 +0100 Subject: Re: Re[2]: [softwarelist] Ovation Windows From: Mike Williams To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <33146199.20040818170513@english.co.uk> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 18/8/04 5:05 pm, "David Graddol" wrote: > > > Wednesday, August 18, 2004, 2:05:39 PM, you wrote: > >>> My problem is in the future when someone takes over the task and does >>> not want them in Ovation format probably Word. >>> Is their a solution to my dilemma? > > DP> OP (on both platforms) is somewhat lacking in import/export filters. I'd > DP> hope to improve matters in the future. > > DP> I guess you do have some options though, like saving the OP documents as > DP> HTML. > > DP> As John Cartmell hinted, because different programs have different > DP> features you'll never get a perfect match. > > DP> Anyway OP for Windows is available from my web site, tell them that and > DP> leave them to decide if they want to move to another program ;-) > > Absolutely. This is not a job which Word is any good at, and > there is no real standard for publishing or page layout software. > There are already over half a dozen major programs. > > When working with commercial printers, the de facto standard for > output is now definitely PDF. No one wants raw application files > of any kind. > > PDFs from OvPro are as good as produced by Quark or InDesign. And > PDF has become a bit of a reversible format: it's quite easy to > export the text and images of a simple document back into RTF > format and so recover the main text for use elsewhere. > > David > I agree with that last statement, with a caveat. I find that bit-mapped images can cause issues when embedded in OvPro documents which are subsequently output to PDF. This seems to be due to the way that Acorn's PostScript drivers handle bit-mapped images, particularly monochrome (greyscale). Even if they work conversion to PDF takes ages. My solution (in a multi-platform environment) is to convert bit-mapped images to Photoshop EPS files with a TIFF preview. These can be reimported back into the OvPro document which renders the TIF preview as well. There is then no problem outputting the file via PostScript to PDF (using Distiller) and it is very much faster to convert and to rnder the PDF file on screen. Mike Williams -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Aug 18 21:40:03 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BxX6Z-0001sk-70-0001vO."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 21:40:03 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BxX6Z-0001sk-70; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 20:32:20 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BxX6Z-0001sk-70; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 20:32:19 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BxX6Y-0006XN-Rd; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 20:32:18 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BxX65-0004jq-P1; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 21:31:49 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i7IKUwe12523 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 21:30:58 +0100 Received: from host1.kbnet.net (host1-rad.kbnet.net [81.26.107.6] (may be forged)) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i7IKUwK12519 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 21:30:58 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [213.1.11.251] (host213-1-11-251.webport.bt.net [213.1.11.251]) by host1.kbnet.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i7IKUur00718 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 21:30:57 +0100 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 21:28:25 +0100 Subject: Re: Re[2]: [softwarelist] Ovation Windows From: Mike Williams To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 18/8/04 5:12 pm, "John Pettigrew" wrote: > In a previous message, David Graddol wrote: > >> PDF has become a bit of a reversible format: it's quite easy to export the >> text and images of a simple document back into RTF format and so recover the >> main text for use elsewhere. > > As a matter of general interest - how? > > I can extract unformatted text using the text select tool in Acrobat Reader, > but not formatted text. > > John You need the full version of Acrobat (which costs money) not just the reader. Mike Williams -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Aug 18 21:50:02 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BxXMV-0007ZK-5v-0007Zp."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 21:50:02 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BxXMV-0007ZK-5v; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 20:48:48 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BxXMV-0007ZK-5v; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 20:48:47 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BxXMV-0007k6-K8; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 20:48:47 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BxXLv-0003PW-NV; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 21:48:11 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i7IKlcO15291 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 21:47:38 +0100 Received: from mailhost.wdi.co.uk (ns.abbtel.co.uk [62.72.160.2]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i7IKlcw15286 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 21:47:38 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [192.168.1.200] ([62.72.190.14]) by mailhost.wdi.co.uk (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7IKY7Nj020139 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 21:34:07 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark stephens Subject: Re: Re[2]: [softwarelist] Ovation Windows Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 21:48:04 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT_APPLEMAIL autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 18 Aug 2004, at 21:28, Mike Williams wrote: > On 18/8/04 5:12 pm, "John Pettigrew" wrote: > >> In a previous message, David Graddol wrote: >> >>> PDF has become a bit of a reversible format: it's quite easy to >>> export the >>> text and images of a simple document back into RTF format and so >>> recover the >>> main text for use elsewhere. >> >> As a matter of general interest - how? >> >> I can extract unformatted text using the text select tool in Acrobat >> Reader, >> but not formatted text. >> >> John > > You need the full version of Acrobat (which costs money) not just the > reader. > > Mike Williams It works to some extend on PDFs created from PDFMaker (which includes structure details) and on simple pages. On really complex pages it can be virtually impossible. Also its possible to create PDFs with no encoding tables to you can't workout what the text content is - Ghostscript is a major culprit. Acrobat include BCLs tools to try and convert the content back to rtf as closely as possible. PDF is essentially an output format which draws text and shapes onto the screen to give the appearance of the finished page. This can happen internally in very different ways. Mark -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Aug 18 23:10:06 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BxYVp-0003Xl-Kc-0003YI."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 23:10:06 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BxYVp-0003Xl-Kc; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 22:02:30 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BxYVp-0003Xl-Kc; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 22:02:29 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BxYVp-0001Gn-7P; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 22:02:29 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BxYVc-0005Pw-8d; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 23:02:16 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i7IM1E627447 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 23:01:14 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i7IM1Df27444 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 23:01:14 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from charleshope.demon.co.uk ([80.177.174.79] helo=RiscPC) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BxYUb-0001CN-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 22:01:13 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "charles.hope" To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 23:00:56 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvPro printing Message-ID: <4ce097499echarles.hope@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4cda24d235charles.hope@argonet.co.uk> <13003cda4c.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.02f (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , Martin Wuerthner wrote: > Yes, true, the above error message is from some CC code - either GDraw, > GSpriteExtend or AWRender. In theory it can occur with any kind of object > but it is most likely to occur with bitmaps. I would guess there is an > embedded ArtWorks document containing a bitmap with a very large scaling > factor. No, there wasn't an Artworks graphic as such. There was a graphic which reached me embedded in a Word document. I had to cut and paste it into XaraX and from there export it as a jpg. It then came to my Iyonix and went into DPSS and came out as a sprite. > I have no idea why saving the OP document as DDL and reloading it, which > apparently cured the problem for Charles, should have any effect. It was something I tried in desparation, since I had a deadline to meet. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Aug 18 23:50:08 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BxZ7N-0002NQ-PV-0002Ng."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 23:50:08 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BxZ7N-0002NQ-PV; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 22:41:18 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BxZ7N-0002NQ-PV; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 22:41:17 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BxZ7N-0000Yz-LI; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 22:41:17 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BxZ71-000126-AX; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 23:40:55 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i7IMe7b32407 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 23:40:07 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i7IMe6S32400 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 23:40:06 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BxZ6E-000AbW-0V for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 22:40:06 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 23:38:50 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvPro printing References: <4cda24d235charles.hope@argonet.co.uk> <13003cda4c.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <4ce097499echarles.hope@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4ce097499echarles.hope@argonet.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >> I have no idea why saving the OP document as DDL and reloading it, which >> apparently cured the problem for Charles, should have any effect. >It was something I tried in desparation, since I had a deadline to meet. The thing is DDL should preserve everything, the fact that it managed to lose the problem, means it didn't. So something odd happened. As long as you're happy... -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Aug 19 00:00:09 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BxZNs-00076C-7N-00076j."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 19 Aug 2004 00:00:09 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BxZNs-00076C-7N; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 22:58:21 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BxZNs-00076C-7N; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 22:58:20 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BxZNs-0006mU-32; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 22:58:20 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BxZNi-0005lg-Nh; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 23:58:10 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i7IMvkW01947 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 23:57:46 +0100 Received: from aquarius.realingenuity.net (aquarius.realingenuity.net [213.165.154.155]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i7IMvkn01944 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 23:57:46 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from RTV (189.29.40.fdial.global.net.uk [80.189.29.40]) by aquarius.realingenuity.net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id i7IMgxv32204 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 23:43:00 +0100 Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 23:55:43 +0100 From: Mik Towse To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Windows Message-ID: <4CE09C4D96%mik.towse@xemik.com> References: <33146199.20040818170513@english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.62 POPstar/2.05 X-Editor: Zap 1.45, using ZapEmail 0.26 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article John Pettigrew wrote: > In a previous message, David Pilling wrote: > > > As a matter of general interest - how? > > There seems to be a popular third party piece of commercial software that > > loads PDF's into MS Word. Dim recollection it is on tucows. > Ah - money... > > I'll look into it, though, because it could be rather useful > professionally. PDF Convertor from ScanSoft? Works quite well, but has trouble with some of the later files. IIRC something to do with embedded fonts (or was that images...). -- You never really learn to swear until you have to use Windoze __ __ _ _ _____ | \/ (_) | __ |_ _|____ __ _____ ___ | |\/| | | |/ / | |/ _ \ V V (_- for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 19 Aug 2004 00:00:09 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BxZOH-000431-CT; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 22:58:46 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BxZOH-000431-CT; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 22:58:45 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BxZOH-0006pK-Jt; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 22:58:45 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BxZO4-0001vK-J1; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 23:58:32 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i7IMvjO01942 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 23:57:45 +0100 Received: from aquarius.realingenuity.net (aquarius.realingenuity.net [213.165.154.155]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i7IMvjB01939 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 23:57:45 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from RTV (189.29.40.fdial.global.net.uk [80.189.29.40]) by aquarius.realingenuity.net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id i7IMgwv32200 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 23:42:58 +0100 Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 23:50:56 +0100 From: Mik Towse To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvPro printing Message-ID: <4CE09BDD61%mik.towse@xemik.com> References: <4cda24d235charles.hope@argonet.co.uk> <13003cda4c.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <4ce097499echarles.hope@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4ce097499echarles.hope@argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.62 POPstar/2.05 X-Editor: Zap 1.45, using ZapEmail 0.26 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4ce097499echarles.hope@argonet.co.uk> charles.hope wrote: > No, there wasn't an Artworks graphic as such. There was a graphic which > reached me embedded in a Word document. I had to cut and paste it into > XaraX and from there export it as a jpg. It then came to my Iyonix and > went into DPSS and came out as a sprite. You could, perhaps, have saved as HTML from Word, which should save the image for import directly into DPSS. [snip] -- The English may not like music, but they absolutely love the noise it makes. Sir Thomas Beecham __ __ _ _ _____ | \/ (_) | __ |_ _|____ __ _____ ___ | |\/| | | |/ / | |/ _ \ V V (_- for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 19 Aug 2004 13:41:32 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BxmAm-0005dr-NL; Thu, 19 Aug 2004 12:37:42 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BxmAm-0005dr-NL; Thu, 19 Aug 2004 12:37:40 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BxmAm-0004lz-1T; Thu, 19 Aug 2004 12:37:40 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BxmAW-0001Sr-LE; Thu, 19 Aug 2004 13:37:24 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i7JCauW25073 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 19 Aug 2004 13:36:56 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i7JCaua25068 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 2004 13:36:56 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BxmA2-0006WS-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 19 Aug 2004 12:36:55 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 13:35:41 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Windows References: <33146199.20040818170513@english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >> There seems to be a popular third party piece of commercial software that >> loads PDF's into MS Word. Dim recollection it is on tucows. Computer Shopper, issue 200, October 2004, magazine CD, SolidConverterPDF to Word. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Aug 19 14:01:32 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BxmOv-0004tC-Cz-0004tr."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 19 Aug 2004 14:01:32 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BxmOv-0004tC-Cz; Thu, 19 Aug 2004 12:52:18 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BxmOv-0004tC-Cz; Thu, 19 Aug 2004 12:52:17 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BxmOu-0002iy-M8; Thu, 19 Aug 2004 12:52:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BxmOk-0007TG-G8; Thu, 19 Aug 2004 13:52:06 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i7JCpuV29512 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 19 Aug 2004 13:51:56 +0100 Received: from mta08-svc.ntlworld.com (mta08-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.48]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i7JCpux29509 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 2004 13:51:56 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from linux.at.home ([81.96.73.220]) by mta08-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20040819125148.HOJB512.mta08-svc.ntlworld.com@linux.at.home> for ; Thu, 19 Aug 2004 13:51:48 +0100 Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 13:51:54 +0100 From: John Pettigrew To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Windows Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <33146199.20040818170513@english.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-Organization: XL Cambridge User-Agent: Gemini/1.45d (Qt/3.3.1) (Linux-i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="598854463--500006517--579241139"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) --598854463--500006517--579241139 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a previous message, David Pilling wrote: > > > There seems to be a popular third party piece of commercial softwar= e > > > that loads PDF's into MS Word. Dim recollection it is on tucows. >=20 > Computer Shopper, issue 200, October 2004, magazine CD, SolidConverterP= DF to > Word. Thanks for that - I'd already located this on tucows. It's commercial but= not too expensive. Next time an author sends me a PDF file and expects me to = edit it, I'll give it a shot. John --=20 John Pettigrew XL Cambridge - contract and freelance editing Biology specialist Molecular biology, genetics, biotechnology john@xl-cambridge.com http://www.xl-cambridge.com/ PGP public key available --598854463--500006517--579241139 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBBJKJrp6M/P/S/JWgRAgbPAJ9d3AjqUNIOZTUl2qeGBKiMEeuT7ACfRL+N wxyUg8EaFclkvFi5p1K3LW8= =dSpp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --598854463--500006517--579241139-- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Aug 19 15:41:37 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Bxo35-0007D1-MD-0007Dh."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 19 Aug 2004 15:41:37 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Bxo35-0007D1-MD; Thu, 19 Aug 2004 14:37:52 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Bxo35-0007D1-MD; Thu, 19 Aug 2004 14:37:51 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Bxo35-0005yx-MW; Thu, 19 Aug 2004 14:37:51 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Bxo2m-00043A-4h; Thu, 19 Aug 2004 15:37:32 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i7JEb1h01733 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 19 Aug 2004 15:37:01 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i7JEb0O01722 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 2004 15:37:00 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Bxo2I-0002HH-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 19 Aug 2004 14:37:02 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 15:35:23 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Windows References: <33146199.20040818170513@english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Thanks for that - I'd already located this on tucows. It's commercial but not >too expensive. Next time an author sends me a PDF file and expects me to edit >it, I'll give it a shot. I guess there are two copies on the CD, one a complete (but old) freebie, and a demo of the latest version. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Aug 20 02:52:06 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BxyUC-0005p7-Ap-0005pW."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 02:52:06 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BxyUC-0005p7-Ap; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 01:46:33 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BxyUC-0005p7-Ap; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 01:46:32 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BxyUC-0002YH-5R; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 01:46:32 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BxyTu-0005SE-Uz; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 02:46:14 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i7K1jqX07420 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 02:45:52 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i7K1jqB07417 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 02:45:52 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BxyTX-0006pk-0b for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 01:45:51 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 02:44:45 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] OP RISC OS EPS Applet 1.06 (bug fix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, There is a bug in EPS file handling... If you have a document that uses the Booklet print format, and there are EPS pictures on the pages that are printed rotated [1] they won't render. EPS applet 1.06 fixes this. It is available from; http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/applets/files/eps.zip [1] Booklet printing is unusual in that multiple pages on a sheet appear with different orientations. The same bug would affect any other print format that has this property. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Aug 24 20:01:18 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BzEd8-0007Kj-JC-0007LN."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 20:01:18 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BzEd8-0007Kj-JC; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 13:12:59 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BzEd8-0007Kj-JC; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 13:12:58 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BzEd8-0001SD-GO; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 13:12:58 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BzEc7-0002FJ-QC; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 14:11:55 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i7NDB4V10925 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 14:11:04 +0100 Received: from hotmail.com (bay14-f17.bay14.hotmail.com [64.4.49.17]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i7NDB3a10919 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 14:11:04 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 06:11:02 -0700 Received: from 195.92.168.166 by by14fd.bay14.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 13:11:02 GMT X-Originating-IP: [195.92.168.166] X-Originating-Email: [angelacraggs@hotmail.com] X-Sender: angelacraggs@hotmail.com From: "Angela Craggs" To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] Ovation Windows - fonts problem Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 14:11:02 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Aug 2004 13:11:02.0729 (UTC) FILETIME=[A402F390:01C48912] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_20 version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi I have just downloaded Ovation Pro for windows and am very pleased with it. However I am having a bit of trouble with the fonts between the RISCOS version and the Windows one. I use LondonA OsF and various weights of Europe in the Club Newsletter. I have loaded these fonts onto Windows from the EFF CDROM and expected there to be no problem when I brought a RISCOS newsletter across. However it came up with 'fonts not found'. The main culprit is the OsF version of LondonA. I have read the info about font substitution provided with the upgrade but haven't been able to make it work. Any advice please? Thanks Angela Craggs _________________________________________________________________ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Aug 24 20:01:23 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BzGuX-0002OL-AV-0002P8."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 20:01:23 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BzGuX-0002OL-AV; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 15:39:06 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BzGuX-0002OL-AV; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 15:39:05 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BzGuX-0004lq-0U; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 15:39:05 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BzGrC-0007i3-VX; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 16:35:38 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i7NFZKJ19720 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 16:35:20 +0100 Received: from smtpq3.home.nl (smtpq3.home.nl [213.51.128.198]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i7NFZJT19713 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 16:35:19 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [213.51.128.136] (port=39032 helo=smtp5.home.nl) by smtpq3.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BzGqt-0004EJ-1K for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 17:35:19 +0200 Received: from cp418204-a.dbsch1.nb.home.nl ([217.123.44.165]:55671 helo=padua) by smtp5.home.nl with smtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BzGqr-00044w-UN for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 17:35:17 +0200 Message-ID: <000701c48926$ebcfe750$7302a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: References: Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Windows - fonts problem Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 17:36:10 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-AtHome-MailScanner-Information: Neem contact op met support@home.nl voor meer informatie X-AtHome-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Monday, August 23, 2004 3:11 PM , Angela Craggs wrote: > Hi > > I have just downloaded Ovation Pro for windows and am very pleased > with it. However I am having a bit of trouble with the fonts between > the RISCOS version and the Windows one. > > I use LondonA OsF and various weights of Europe in the Club > Newsletter. I have loaded these fonts onto Windows from the EFF CDROM > and expected there to be no problem when I brought a RISCOS > newsletter across. However it came up with 'fonts not found'. The > main culprit is the OsF version of LondonA. > > I have read the info about font substitution provided with the > upgrade but haven't been able to make it work. Any advice please? > Some time ago I also tried the EFF fonts with Expert sets. Baskerville and LondonA RISC OS-Windows-fontmaps. I put the fontmap lines in a script (.csc) for several fonts. I have put these .csc files in Stationary. When ever I need one, I load one. It is availbale instantly. My findings are: Starting with the *worst* BSKDIE BaskervilleExpert Expert DemiBold Italic Note: Completely upsets Control Panel-->Fonts: explorer.exe error /fonts quits. Solution: Dos command prompt --- cd C:\Winnt\Fonts Atrrib -r -s bskdie.ttf del bskdie.ttf Next: Open Control Panel-->Fonts --- BaskervilleExpert Expert DemiBold Italic: empty is still there Select it and hit delete Error about 'empty/no source', but disappears Restart is needed to get it disappears from font-menu's too. --------------- >From the LondonA set: LNDBIF LondonAOsF Bold Italic LNDDIF LondonAOsF DemiBold Italic LNDDRF LondonAOsF DemiBold Regular LNDRS LondonASmallCaps DemiBold LNDRIF LondonAOsF Italic Note: No characters are rendered. ---------------- One other annoying thing in all the EFF Truetypes: endash and emdash are switched ... Default is: endash (ASCII 150) and emdash (ASCII 151) You'll find the opposite in EFF TrueTypes: emdash at 150, endash at 151 So, when you want to replace hyphens with endashes, you'll be warned ... Tonnie -- Mrs. Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Aug 24 20:01:26 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BzIGg-0006zw-7t-00071O."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 20:01:26 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BzIGg-0006zw-7t; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 17:06:05 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BzIGg-0006zw-7t; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 17:06:02 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BzIGg-0002WC-8z; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 17:06:02 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BzIFr-0001qc-Ft; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 18:05:11 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i7NH4sw10067 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 18:04:54 +0100 Received: from cmailm4.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailm4.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.211]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i7NH4rv10063 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 18:04:54 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from modem-27.niobium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.36.27] helo=kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailm4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.14) id 1BzIFP-0001DC-7S for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 18:04:43 +0100 Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 20:53:24 +0100 From: John To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Message-ID: <7f1e17e24c.johnpercy@kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/4.03) POPstar/2.03 Subject: [softwarelist] No messerges MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,DATE_IN_PAST_24_48,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I have not received any posting for about 1 month. Has the group gone quiet or is there a problem? thanks -- J.P. Kerslake B.Sc., F.B.I.S. Dyslexia Rules KO. Pager 07626 - 235878, "phone" 01248-353264. e-mail Home=johnpercyNOSPAM@kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk, (remove NOSPAM) Riscstation Lite+. Risc OS 4.03 boot 1.03. Messenger Pro. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Aug 24 20:01:27 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BzIq5-00015H-9Z-000161."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 20:01:27 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BzIq5-00015H-9Z; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 17:42:39 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BzIq5-00015H-9Z; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 17:42:37 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BzIq5-0004lf-MR; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 17:42:37 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BzIps-0004K3-8l; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 18:42:24 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i7NHgE118748 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 18:42:14 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i7NHgDU18743 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 18:42:13 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from south-frm.demon.co.uk ([80.177.26.219] helo=greatest) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BzIph-0009dd-0X for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 17:42:13 +0000 Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 18:40:28 +0100 From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] No messerges Message-ID: References: <7f1e17e24c.johnpercy@kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <7f1e17e24c.johnpercy@kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk> X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.06) POPstar/2.06-ds.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message of 21 Aug, John wrote: > I have not received any posting for about 1 month. Has the group gone quiet > or is there a problem? > thanks > Two dated the 23rd and lots before that. Perhaps Freeserve has a problem? -- Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Aug 24 20:01:28 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BzKCt-0005rp-Do-0005sH."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 20:01:28 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BzKCt-0005rp-Do; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 19:10:16 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BzKCt-0005rp-Do; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 19:10:15 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BzKCt-0007IC-2f; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 19:10:15 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BzKCb-0001qe-2J; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 20:09:57 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i7NJ9gS05754 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 20:09:42 +0100 Received: from smtpq3.home.nl (smtpq3.home.nl [213.51.128.198]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i7NJ9fG05747 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 20:09:41 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [213.51.128.132] (port=44557 helo=smtp1.home.nl) by smtpq3.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BzKCK-0000HQ-US for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 21:09:40 +0200 Received: from cp418204-a.dbsch1.nb.home.nl ([217.123.44.165]:55688 helo=padua) by smtp1.home.nl with smtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BzKCF-0005Ym-QK for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 21:09:35 +0200 Message-ID: <000901c48944$dba595a0$7302a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: References: Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Windows - fonts problem Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 21:10:19 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-AtHome-MailScanner-Information: Neem contact op met support@home.nl voor meer informatie X-AtHome-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Monday, August 23, 2004 3:11 PM , Angela Craggs wrote: > Hi > > I have just downloaded Ovation Pro for windows and am very pleased > with it. However I am having a bit of trouble with the fonts between > the RISCOS version and the Windows one. > > I use LondonA OsF and various weights of Europe in the Club > Newsletter. I have loaded these fonts onto Windows from the EFF CDROM > and expected there to be no problem when I brought a RISCOS > newsletter across. However it came up with 'fonts not found'. The > main culprit is the OsF version of LondonA. > > I have read the info about font substitution provided with the > upgrade but haven't been able to make it work. Any advice please? > > Thanks > Angela Craggs ------ In my previous posting I didn't make clear, that the fonts themselves are NOT OK. When you double-click on a TrueType font, you get a preview of a font. Four of the LondonA OsF fonts give you an empty window ... Tonnie -- Mrs. Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Aug 24 20:01:28 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BzKyT-00016s-NW-00017P."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 20:01:28 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BzKyT-00016s-NW; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 19:59:26 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BzKyT-00016s-NW; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 19:59:25 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BzKyT-00057Y-03; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 19:59:25 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BzKyH-0005MH-3m; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 20:59:13 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i7NJx4L16498 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 20:59:04 +0100 Received: from cmailm2.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailm2.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.210]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i7NJx4n16495 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 20:59:04 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from modem-106.dexfenfluramine.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.89.234]) by cmailm2.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1BzKy6-0007TK-Nv for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 20:59:03 +0100 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 20:33:33 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] No messerges From: Roger Morris To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I use freeserve (fsnet) and seem to be receiving satisfactorily -- Roger Morris > From: Tim Powys-Lybbe > Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net > Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 18:40:28 +0100 > To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net > Subject: Re: [softwarelist] No messerges > > In message of 21 Aug, John wrote: > >> I have not received any posting for about 1 month. Has the group gone quiet >> or is there a problem? >> thanks >> > > Two dated the 23rd and lots before that. > > Perhaps Freeserve has a problem? > > -- > Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org > For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message > > Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Aug 24 20:01:29 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BzVQV-0004nI-Df-0004no."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 20:01:29 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BzVQV-0004nI-Df; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 07:09:04 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BzVQV-0004nI-Df; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 07:09:03 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BzVQV-00035J-1q; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 07:09:03 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BzVQE-00078t-K7; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 08:08:46 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i7O78O926320 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 08:08:24 +0100 Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i7O78NM26315 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 08:08:23 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [62.188.135.140] (helo=62.188.135.140) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BzVNt-0006Lk-P8 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 08:06:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Dr P.N.Young" To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 18:17:57 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: No messerges Message-ID: <4ce3108f2apnyoung@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <7f1e17e24c.johnpercy@kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk> References: <7f1e17e24c.johnpercy@kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03e (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,DATE_IN_PAST_12_24,IN_REP_TO, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <7f1e17e24c.johnpercy@kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk>, John wrote: > I have not received any posting for about 1 month. Has the group gone > quiet or is there a problem? Plenty of messages here. > -- > J.P. Kerslake B.Sc., F.B.I.S. Dyslexia Rules KO. [Snip] Shouldn't that be 'Dyslexia Lures KO.'? >;-)> Best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 Anne \ / __ __ \ England. Cecilia / / \ | | |\ | / _ http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/pnyoung James / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \_____________ pnyoung@argonet.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Aug 24 23:01:16 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BzjJO-0001Lp-Cv-0001MF."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 23:01:16 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BzjJO-0001Lp-Cv; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 21:58:38 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BzjJO-0001Lp-Cv; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 21:58:38 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BzjJN-0002ev-Ql; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 21:58:37 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BzjJ3-0006lM-G4; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 22:58:17 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i7OLvI104617 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 22:57:18 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i7OLvIL04614 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 22:57:18 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BzjI5-000HIM-0b for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 21:57:17 +0000 Message-ID: <+VTt5IEbl7KBFw4W@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 22:55:39 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Windows - fonts problem References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >I have read the info about font substitution provided with the upgrade >but haven't been able to make it work. Any advice please? So is the problem not understanding how to use the font mapping facilities, or is it that the fonts you want to use don't work. Presumably you can try using the fonts in a new document by just picking them off the font menu? The reason to use font mapping would be if the names EFF have used on Windows are not the ones OPW expects. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Aug 25 00:51:22 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Bzkva-0001Ij-6a-0001J7."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 00:51:22 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Bzkva-0001Ij-6a; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 23:42:10 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Bzkva-0001Ij-6a; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 23:42:10 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BzkvZ-0007cW-SL; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 23:42:09 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BzkvF-0007kl-Nf; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 00:41:49 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i7ONfGF19813 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 00:41:16 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i7ONfGg19810 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 00:41:16 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Bzkuh-0008kG-0W; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 23:41:15 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 00:39:53 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net, John Ballance , Justin Fletcher From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] OvationPro, PS Printing, DSC errors MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,HOT_NASTY,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, People come to me and they say, that so and so program of yours produces bad PostScript. For example print a page from Ovation Pro for RISC OS, and feed it into GhostScript for Windows. What you get is; ===================================================== DSC Warning at line 558: %%EndProlog %%BeginProcSet/%%EndProcSet The number of Begin and End comments do not match. ===================================================== I've looked. The problem is not OP, other Acorn apps printing PS (with text in) give the error. The reason is that the Acorn driver puts out %%BeginProcset xxxx xxxx xxxx GhostScript wants a colon after Procset. There is a module in RISC OS called "MakePSFont", in that you'll find the string %%BeginProcset %s %s %s If you replace the Procset %s with Procset:%s without changing the length of the module, the problem is fixed. The colon is correct according to the Adobe Red Book. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Aug 25 14:16:05 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BzuSn-0005op-7y-0005q7."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 14:16:05 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BzuSn-0005op-7y; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 09:53:07 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BzuSn-0005op-7y; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 09:53:05 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BzuSn-0004KO-7R; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 09:53:05 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BzuSV-0001ge-6W; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 10:52:47 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i7P9qUH24337 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 10:52:30 +0100 Received: from smtpq3.home.nl (smtpq3.home.nl [213.51.128.198]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i7P9qUI24330 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 10:52:30 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [213.51.128.135] (port=37775 helo=smtp4.home.nl) by smtpq3.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BzuSE-0006Bw-1o for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 11:52:30 +0200 Received: from cp418204-a.dbsch1.nb.home.nl ([217.123.44.165]:55088 helo=padua) by smtp4.home.nl with smtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BzuSD-0006Qu-3P for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 11:52:29 +0200 Message-ID: <008f01c48a89$5c8f14d0$7302a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: "Ovation Pro" References: <+VTt5IEbl7KBFw4W@pilling.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Windows - fonts problem Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 11:53:19 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-AtHome-MailScanner-Information: Neem contact op met support@home.nl voor meer informatie X-AtHome-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Tuesday, August 24, 2004 11:55 PM , David Pilling wrote: >> I have read the info about font substitution provided with the >> upgrade but haven't been able to make it work. Any advice please? > > So is the problem not understanding how to use the font mapping > facilities, or is it that the fonts you want to use don't work. > > Presumably you can try using the fonts in a new document by just > picking them off the font menu? > > The reason to use font mapping would be if the names EFF have used on > Windows are not the ones OPW expects. > And another reason, if you want to keep a document usable in OPRO and in OPW. Assume you have used LondonA and LondonA.Bold (note the RISC OS period) in OPRO. No problem here when you take the doc from OPRO to OPW and back from OPW to OPRO. Also not, when you have done some editing in those 2 weights. But, if you have used LondonA Italic (note no period) in OPW -as a *new* style/effect)- then OPRO doesn't recognise the name - OPRO expects LondonA.Italic (=with period), when you take the doc back to OPRO. So, I also map the fonts with the same name. After I have made an fontignore entry. E.g. fontignore LondonA Italic fontignore LondonA Bold fontmap LondonA.Italic LondonA Italic. fontmap LondonA.Bold LondonA Bold This forces OPW to store all uses of LondonA *with* period. That way a doc can freely be excanged between OPW and OPRO. Of course, this ignore+fontmap for fonts with the same name isn't needed, when you don't want to open the doc again in OPRO. Or when you don't add any new style/effect like Bold, Italic or Bold Italic. Tonnie -- Mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net