From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Apr 1 00:21:35 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1B8ozF-0000k9-EX-0000mx."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 00:21:35 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1B8ozF-0000k9-EX; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 23:19:10 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B8ozF-0000k9-EX; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 23:19:09 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B8ozF-0006KP-Av; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 23:19:09 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B8oz5-0008B2-MC; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 00:18:59 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i2VNIeQ03440 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 00:18:40 +0100 Received: from ptb-relay02.plus.net (ptb-relay02.plus.net [212.159.14.213]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i2VNIdw03425 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 00:18:39 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [80.229.143.2] (helo=radstock) by ptb-relay02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1B8oyk-000HdL-R9 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 23:18:38 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: ChrisJ To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 00:17:54 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro 2.74 Windows Message-ID: <4c98854d82chris@bulldog.u-net.com> In-Reply-To: References: <77fa9a944c.polak@nararch.nlr.nl> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.05) POPstar/2.04-pre2 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , David Pilling wrote: > >http://www.davidpilling.com/ovationpro/opw.html ^^^ Should it not be net? Chris... -- Chris Johnson -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Apr 1 02:11:41 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1B8qaS-0006X2-OQ-0006XN."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 02:11:41 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1B8qaS-0006X2-OQ; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 01:01:41 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B8qaS-0006X2-OQ; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 01:01:40 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B8qaS-00034B-D7; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 01:01:40 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B8qaK-0002Wx-Tk; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 02:01:32 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i31117q24272 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 02:01:07 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i31115724256 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 02:01:06 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1B8qZs-0004z1-0b for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 02:01:04 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 01:59:29 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro 2.74 Windows References: <77fa9a944c.polak@nararch.nlr.nl> <4c98854d82chris@bulldog.u-net.com> In-Reply-To: <4c98854d82chris@bulldog.u-net.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DOMAIN_BODY,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES, SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > David Pilling wrote: >> >http://www.davidpilling.com/ovationpro/opw.html > ^^^ >Should it not be net? Yes, in the restricted sense that http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/opw.html works. Always looking on the glum side, I suspect this will stop working when Spellings get around to transferring their .net domains to their new system. davidpilling.co.uk and .com should all work like .net -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Apr 2 01:30:31 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1B9CQo-0000Cm-Ob-0000DK."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 01:30:31 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1B9CQo-0000Cm-Ob; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 00:21:11 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B9CQo-0000Cm-Ob; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 00:21:10 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B9CQo-00037k-FU; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 00:21:10 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B9CQW-0004qC-8L; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 01:20:52 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i320JxJ18823 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 01:19:59 +0100 Received: from linda-3.paradise.net.nz (bm-3a.paradise.net.nz [202.0.58.22]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i320JwX18815 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 01:19:58 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from smtp-3.paradise.net.nz (smtp-3b.paradise.net.nz [202.0.32.212]) by linda-3.paradise.net.nz (Paradise.net.nz) with ESMTP id <0HVI001F9OX7A2@linda-3.paradise.net.nz> for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 12:19:56 +1200 (NZST) Received: from eyewear.paradise.net.nz (203-96-156-32.tnt6.paradise.net.nz [203.96.156.32]) by smtp-3.paradise.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A536AECD2 for ; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 12:19:54 +1200 (NZST) Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 12:19:17 +1200 From: brian Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro 2.74 Windows In-reply-to: To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Message-id: <4c990ec213adamlists@paradise.net.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.05) POPstar/2.04-pre2 References: <77fa9a944c.polak@nararch.nlr.nl> Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , David Pilling wrote: > http://pilling.users.netlink.co.uk/ovationpro/opw.html I passed this on to a (PC) friend who writes: > Thanks for the link and information, I'm downloading now and will try > the program. > Noticed his website popped up very quickly and unlike most programs I > download this one only needs a couple of minutes - amazing! He has so much to learn. When I represent OPro to people what windows app is it akin to? What's a short phrase that descripes it? Just so's they have an idea of what to expect. I'm a recent owner of OPro, bought through CJEMicros, but i notice it doesn't sport a registration number. Just 'supplied by CJE' etc. Should I be afraid? Brian -- Brian Adam Auckland NEW ZEALAND ph/fx +64 9 817 6816 brian@adam.co.nz www.adam.co.nz -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Apr 2 02:00:32 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1B9Cyt-0005pl-Oe-0005q7."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 02:00:32 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1B9Cyt-0005pl-Oe; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 00:56:24 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B9Cyt-0005pl-Oe; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 00:56:23 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B9Cyt-0003Gv-GH; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 00:56:23 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B9Cyo-00066j-Vy; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 01:56:18 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i320tmb27695 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 01:55:48 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i320tmF27692 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 01:55:48 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1B9CyI-000FKd-0Y for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 01:55:46 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 01:54:36 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro 2.74 Windows References: <77fa9a944c.polak@nararch.nlr.nl> <4c990ec213adamlists@paradise.net.nz> In-Reply-To: <4c990ec213adamlists@paradise.net.nz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >He has so much to learn. I've been revising the manual for Windows, it's almost amusing how much chat there is about saving memory - what's the relevance of running the program in 2MB to people who have 1GB or more of memory. In other words it is fast and small, but these are not the advantages they once where. >When I represent OPro to people what windows app is it akin to? What's a >short phrase that descripes it? Desktop publisher, or the meeting of word processing and desktop publishing, document processing. A bit like Microsoft Publisher. >I'm a recent owner of OPro, bought through CJEMicros, but i notice it >doesn't sport a registration number. Just 'supplied by CJE' etc. Should I >be afraid? Thank you. Copies supplied via dealers have no registration information, but they do have a number - on the registration card if not on the splash screen. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Apr 2 13:49:34 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1B9L72-000634-Fg-00063k."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 13:49:34 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1B9L72-000634-Fg; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 09:37:21 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B9L72-000634-Fg; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 09:37:20 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B9L72-00077C-Ln; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 09:37:20 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B9L6w-00046P-85; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 10:37:14 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i329awI30032 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 10:36:58 +0100 Received: from smtpq3.home.nl (smtpq3.home.nl [213.51.128.198]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i329avY30023 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 10:36:57 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [213.51.128.133] (port=59800 helo=smtp2.home.nl) by smtpq3.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B9L6f-000228-Fz for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 11:36:57 +0200 Received: from cp418204-a.dbsch1.nb.home.nl ([217.123.44.165]:55871 helo=padua) by smtp2.home.nl with smtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B9L6e-0003pj-KB for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 11:36:56 +0200 Message-ID: <002001c4189e$cf5cee90$6502a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: References: <77fa9a944c.polak@nararch.nlr.nl> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro 2.74 Windows Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 11:39:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-AtHome-MailScanner-Information: Neem contact op met support@home.nl voor meer informatie X-AtHome-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Wednesday, March 31, 2004 23:29, David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > > I've just uploaded the latest version of Ovation Pro for Windows to my > web site. > > The previous one has not timed out, so there's no rush to upgrade. > > http://www.davidpilling.com/ovationpro/opw.html After downloading and upgrading, I think there IS a rush! Looking at the big things, which are added in this new version. > For some people this version should do everything the RISC OS one > does. Speaking about this new version, definetely YES. So ... thanks David! I guess, release date will be much closer now. Maybe we -users of the Windows version- can do something in return? I guess, you will be served with as many error reports as we (users) can produce. Many users, who use OPW, are all 'testers' -as long as they report 'things, which don't seem OK'. Giving David the opportunity to fix as much as can be fixed. So, at least I'll take the trouble to report from now on. I hope many others will do the same. Maybe many others already did. > The big things that are now right are > > dashes and arrow heads on lines - I've recreated the Acorn draw module > > printing formats - like scaling, print position, sideways I am more than pleased that the different printing formats -with scaling- are available now. Together with the BIG things, which were already present from previous versions, like; The so-easy-to-use Applet manager in Applets. I surely hope that third party Applets will follow soon. My favourites are 'NewFrame' and 'Searc-and-Replace-with-Styles'. And the Font manager in Misc. Now extended with the 'PostScript' Section, in which you can make sure that RISC OS fonts mapped to their TrueType equivalent for display use their PostScript equivalent for printing. E.g. Homerton in RISC OS - Helvetica in PS print = Homerton map (to e.g. Arial) in Windows - Helvetica in PS print. > So as long as you don't use PostScript what else is there? > > Direct PostScript generation now works, but it is generic PS, and it > won't do everything at less than level 3 - there is more work to do > here. I guess you are speaking here of "Choices - Print Choices " turning on the option: "Direct PostScript Output". Of course, I can't tell now, what doesn't work. What does work nicely is getting Type1s in files for fonts and fontmaps which aren't defined in an active FontManager-->PostScript, instead of embedded TryeTypes. Another 'very, very, very' welcome extension is the addition of "Help-->What's this (Shift F1)" Using a multi-row button bar becomes a pleasure this way. So again ... thanks David for continuing development. Tonnie -- Mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Apr 2 13:49:39 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1B9MeN-00016p-86-00017U."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 13:49:39 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1B9MeN-00016p-86; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 11:15:52 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B9MeN-00016p-86; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 11:15:51 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B9MeN-0007lS-4E; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 11:15:51 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B9MeH-0000Z2-S6; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 12:15:45 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i32BFaY14507 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 12:15:36 +0100 Received: from smtp01.altohiway.com (smtp01.altohiway.com [195.12.4.238]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i32BFZl14492 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 12:15:35 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from websrv.quantel.com (quantel-gw.hiway.co.uk [195.12.20.34] (may be forged)) by smtp01.altohiway.com (8.11.6/8.9.3) with ESMTP id i32BFWr28869 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 12:15:32 +0100 In-Reply-To: <002001c4189e$cf5cee90$6502a8c0@padua> To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro 2.74 Windows MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 12:12:58 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > I surely hope that third party Applets will follow soon. > My favourites are 'NewFrame' and 'Searc-and-Replace-with-Styles'. > Speaking of which, I really must get of my backside and convert !srwe. David, you did talk a while back of trying to do some sort of conversion of template files. Did anything come of this? Andy Ling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Apr 2 14:19:30 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1B9OUV-0005uo-Ii-0005vU."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 14:19:30 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1B9OUV-0005uo-Ii; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 13:13:48 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B9OUV-0005uo-Ii; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 13:13:47 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B9OUV-0000dz-I2; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 13:13:47 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B9OU1-00044a-Or; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 14:13:17 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i32DD6Y10502 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 14:13:06 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i32DD5S10493 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 14:13:05 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1B9OTp-000B7a-0X for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 14:13:05 +0100 Message-ID: <9$pXxyBgaWbAFwH5@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 14:12:00 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro 2.74 Windows References: <002001c4189e$cf5cee90$6502a8c0@padua> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >David, you did talk a while back of trying to do some >sort of conversion of template files. Did anything >come of this? Yes, it's been on the web site for yonks. See www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/opw.html (example windows applet at the bottom) There is an example of the calculator applet, which includes a program that converts an Acorn template file into a Windows .rc file. If you go that way you need something like MS Visual C++ that can compile a .rc file into a DLL. Plan B, which came after the above, is that there is a freeware program called ResHacker that will let you edit the resources in a .exe file. The point being you could take an existing applet, and change everything in the resources to produce a new one - no coding involved. The problem here is that unlike RISC OS, windows templates have to be compiled - applets can still be written in the script language, it's just the templates (and optionally other resources like sprites) that need to be in code. The calculator applet is different from most in that everything is in a .dll, but if you look at other applets supplied the other format of separate files also works. As we near the end (or maybe it's the beginning) of this project, I'm aware that something has to be done about third party applets. I've taken the liberty of converting some. I'd probably do more in time. Naturally I'd prefer the authors to continue with Windows versions of them. Perhaps there are some who don't want their applet to be available for Windows. Point being feel free to let me know what you want to do. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Apr 2 14:49:30 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1B9Oy3-0002rq-PN-0002sa."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 14:49:30 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1B9Oy3-0002rq-PN; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 13:44:21 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B9Oy3-0002rq-PN; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 13:44:19 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B9Oy3-0004ur-MT; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 13:44:19 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B9Oxz-0002g1-FM; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 14:44:15 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i32Di5c28234 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 14:44:05 +0100 Received: from smtp01.altohiway.com (smtp01.altohiway.com [195.12.4.238]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i32Di3P28218 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 14:44:03 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from websrv.quantel.com (quantel-gw.hiway.co.uk [195.12.20.34] (may be forged)) by smtp01.altohiway.com (8.11.6/8.9.3) with ESMTP id i32Dhsr18266 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 14:43:55 +0100 In-Reply-To: <9$pXxyBgaWbAFwH5@pilling.demon.co.uk> To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro 2.74 Windows MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 14:23:33 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > >David, you did talk a while back of trying to do some > >sort of conversion of template files. Did anything > >come of this? > > Yes, it's been on the web site for yonks. > Yes, I found that just after asking - Sorry. > There is an example of the calculator applet, which includes a program > that converts an Acorn template file into a Windows .rc file. If you go > that way you need something like MS Visual C++ that can compile a .rc > file into a DLL. > We should possibly continue this discussion privately, but I will start here anyway. I've just tried going down the MS Visual C++ route - generated a .rc file made a workspace/project etc. that looks close to the calcs example and had a quick look at the .rc file in the editor. It doesn't look quite the same as the RiscOS version ;-). The buttons need tweaking to make them 3D, but they also seem to have a lot of text in of the form R2;f17 (which was probably RiscOS formatting stuff) is this still needed? Also some of the buttons had sprite files associated with them. Can these still be linked in? On the plus side - it does compile and produce a dll, but I haven't tried doing anything with it yet. Andy Ling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Apr 2 14:59:31 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1B9P7q-0001Z3-IH-0001a9."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 14:59:31 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1B9P7q-0001Z3-IH; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 13:54:27 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B9P7q-0001Z3-IH; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 13:54:26 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B9P7q-0002JQ-G4; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 13:54:26 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B9P7n-000517-54; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 14:54:23 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i32DsGe00365 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 14:54:16 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i32DsGu00355 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 14:54:16 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1B9P7f-0001Ne-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 14:54:15 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 14:52:53 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro 2.74 Windows References: <9$pXxyBgaWbAFwH5@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >We should possibly continue this discussion privately, but I will >start here anyway. Well perhaps useful to others here. >I've just tried going down the MS Visual C++ route - generated a .rc file >made a workspace/project etc. that looks close to the calcs example >and had a quick look at the .rc file in the editor. It doesn't look quite >the same as the RiscOS version ;-). The buttons need tweaking to make them >3D, but they also seem to have a lot of text in of the form R2;f17 (which >was probably RiscOS formatting stuff) is this still needed? In OP I've implemented my own control, which emulates much of RISC IS icons. In an editor these will not appear - just grey blocks. In OP they will of course work. >Also some of the buttons had sprite files associated with them. Can these >still be linked in? Yes, as above. In my control the text string works much like the validation string in a RISC OS icon. (thinks, is the doc for this in that archive...) -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Apr 2 15:09:32 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1B9PIt-0001SR-Nu-0001TM."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 15:09:32 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1B9PIt-0001SR-Nu; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 14:05:52 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B9PIt-0001SR-Nu; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 14:05:51 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B9PIt-0004qa-7w; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 14:05:51 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B9PIo-0008Ca-7r; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 15:05:46 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i32E5fL06720 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 15:05:41 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i32E5ew06714 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 15:05:41 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1B9PIi-0003PJ-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 15:05:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 15:03:30 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro 2.74 Windows Message-ID: <4c995a37dcJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <9$pXxyBgaWbAFwH5@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <002001c4189e$cf5cee90$6502a8c0@padua> <9$pXxyBgaWbAFwH5@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <9$pXxyBgaWbAFwH5@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > As we near the end (or maybe it's the beginning) of this project... I've asked before about documentation on exactly how DDL works (under RO) and been told that there is no complete documentation. I presume that this means that OP is written in lots of separate chunks and each chunk has its own DDL generation/parsing support, and that such doc as there is is in each section. I was wondering if, in the course of examining the whole of OP for Windows, if you'd managed to pull together such doc as does exist? I'd have thought that DDL would be important under Windows if anyone is writing code to transfer OPW docs to/from OPW. -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Apr 2 15:39:33 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1B9Pid-0005f8-RV-0005ft."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 15:39:33 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1B9Pid-0005f8-RV; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 14:32:28 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B9Pid-0005f8-RV; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 14:32:27 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B9Pid-00063g-Aw; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 14:32:27 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B9PiY-0006DT-3Y; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 15:32:22 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i32EWEa20337 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 15:32:14 +0100 Received: from mailout.zetnet.co.uk (mailout.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.47.231]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i32EWEQ20327 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 15:32:14 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from 40-168.dialup.zetnet.co.uk ([194.247.40.168] helo=zetnet.co.uk) by mailout.zetnet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1B9PiP-0000BO-00 for ; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 15:32:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Michael M Martin To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 15:30:42 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Email deleted by AntiSpam Message-ID: <4c995cb51dmmartin@zetnet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.04) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi if the Andy Ling is reading this, if this is his proper name, to say that any email what he sends to this Softwarelist run by David Pilling is getting deleted by AntiSpam. This is the rule what is Deleting his mail. DELETE Received: = *forged* his email. Now I know I can REM this out but then I will let loads of Spam in. Best Regards, Mick -- |^^^^ Michael Martin ^^^^^ mmartin@zetnet.co.uk ^^^|Using Kinetic RiscPC| | * http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/mmartin/fifepits/ *| Email and News by | | ^^^ http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/mmartin/sign/ ^^^| !Pluto | |====== Risc OS immune to email Virus ======|===With RISC OS 4===| -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Apr 2 15:39:34 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1B9Pkz-0005CQ-Eg-0005Cy."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 15:39:34 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1B9Pkz-0005CQ-Eg; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 14:34:54 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B9Pkz-0005CQ-Eg; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 14:34:53 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B9Pkz-0005bL-Ax; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 14:34:53 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B9Pkx-0006hD-FV; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 15:34:51 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i32EYjr21345 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 15:34:45 +0100 Received: from smtp01.altohiway.com (smtp01.altohiway.com [195.12.4.238]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i32EYjI21341 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 15:34:45 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from websrv.quantel.com (quantel-gw.hiway.co.uk [195.12.20.34] (may be forged)) by smtp01.altohiway.com (8.11.6/8.9.3) with ESMTP id i32EYfr08446 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 15:34:41 +0100 In-Reply-To: To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro 2.74 Windows MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 15:31:43 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > >We should possibly continue this discussion privately, but I will > >start here anyway. > > Well perhaps useful to others here. > I shall continue here then. > >I've just tried going down the MS Visual C++ route - generated a .rc file > >made a workspace/project etc. that looks close to the calcs example > >and had a quick look at the .rc file in the editor. It doesn't look quite > >the same as the RiscOS version ;-). The buttons need tweaking to make them > >3D, but they also seem to have a lot of text in of the form R2;f17 (which > >was probably RiscOS formatting stuff) is this still needed? > > In OP I've implemented my own control, which emulates much of RISC IS > icons. In an editor these will not appear - just grey blocks. In OP they > will of course work. > > >Also some of the buttons had sprite files associated with them. Can these > >still be linked in? > > Yes, as above. > OK. I've tried actually running it now and things sort of happen, but.... A few minor things. The calcs example has the script file as a .b24 file whereas all the installed applets have .csc Trying to install via the applet manager, it is looking for a .oap file. None of the applets seem to have one of these, so I'm not sure what I need for this. I just copied my folder into the applets folder and things appeared to happen. > In my control the text string works much like the validation string in a > RISC OS icon. (thinks, is the doc for this in that archive...) > So, I've just taken the raw .rc output of Temp.exe and built a .dll and installed it. First all the format strings appear in the window, so it looks a bit of a mess, but it is recognisable. The tick boxes all appear to work, even to the point of opening the extra bit of window to show the wildcards. The dropdown menu icons seem to work, but none of the "Find", "Stop", "Next" etc. buttons seem to do anything. I can't seem to close the window either, but that is probably because "stop" doesn't work. If it makes a difference, I'm using MSVC++ v6 Andy Ling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Apr 2 15:59:35 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1B9Q2c-0003YL-5r-0003Yh."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 15:59:35 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1B9Q2c-0003YL-5r; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 14:53:07 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B9Q2c-0003YL-5r; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 14:53:06 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B9Q2c-0001I0-Kr; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 14:53:06 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B9Q2Z-00029K-3N; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 15:53:03 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i32EqvB29497 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 15:52:57 +0100 Received: from mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (mta02-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.42]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i32Eqve29494 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 15:52:57 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from linux.at.home ([81.96.72.154]) by mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20040402145211.KHOU22409.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@linux.at.home> for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 15:52:11 +0100 Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 15:52:55 +0100 From: John Pettigrew To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Email deleted by AntiSpam Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4c995cb51dmmartin@zetnet.co.uk> References: <4c995cb51dmmartin@zetnet.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-Organization: XL Cambridge User-Agent: Gemini/1.35 (Qt/3.1.1) (Linux-i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="886867771--1358883394--537042274"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) --886867771--1358883394--537042274 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a previous message, Michael M Martin wrote: > Hi if the Andy Ling is reading this, if this is his proper name, to say= that > any email what he sends to this Softwarelist run by David Pilling is ge= tting > deleted by AntiSpam. >=20 > This is the rule what is Deleting his mail. DELETE Received: =3D *forge= d* his > email. Looking at the results from SpamAssassin for Andy's posts, I suspect that= the problem is that he has no real name part of his address - SpamAssassin al= so uses this as one of its criteria and is reporting NO_REAL_NAME as one of = the applied tests for Andy's emails. However, it's by no means strong enough = to use as the sole reason to identify mail as spam - SpamAssassin gives Andy= 's last email a score of -1.0 (originally zero, with +5.0 as the default threshold for spam). John --=20 John Pettigrew Headstrong Games=20 john@headstrong-games.co.uk Fun : Strategy : Price=20 http://www.headstrong-games.co.uk/ Board games that won't break the ban= k=20 Knossos: escape the ever-changing labyrinth before the Minotaur catches y= ou!=20 --886867771--1358883394--537042274 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD4DBQBAbX5Ip6M/P/S/JWgRAvL6AKCfFRMnskupuIWE3W4SspATFo3mTACY9HU+ k85WJb86tx4vB80kKvYTTg== =V+9T -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --886867771--1358883394--537042274-- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Apr 2 16:09:36 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1B9QGz-0005gm-5X-0005hR."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 16:09:36 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1B9QGz-0005gm-5X; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 15:07:58 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B9QGz-0005gm-5X; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 15:07:57 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B9QGz-0002Nk-GD; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 15:07:57 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B9QGt-0007Wn-Qx; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 16:07:51 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i32F7kN05127 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 16:07:46 +0100 Received: from mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (mta01-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.41]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i32F7j105113 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 16:07:45 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from linux.at.home ([81.96.72.154]) by mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20040402150727.MYXC17631.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@linux.at.home> for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 16:07:27 +0100 Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 16:07:43 +0100 From: John Pettigrew To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Email deleted by AntiSpam Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <4c995cb51dmmartin@zetnet.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-Organization: XL Cambridge User-Agent: Gemini/1.35 (Qt/3.1.1) (Linux-i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="1573104429--1916662605--1436723464"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) --1573104429--1916662605--1436723464 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a previous message, John Pettigrew wrote: > Looking at the results from SpamAssassin for Andy's posts, I suspect th= at > the problem is that he has no real name part of his address Actually, looking more closely at the headers, the problem is probably th= is header: Received: from websrv.quantel.com (quantel-gw.hiway.co.uk [195.12.20.34] = (may be forged)) However, again, this is not by itself reason to discard an email as spam.= Does Antispam not support score-based filtering, or is it a simple Yes/No= result for each test? If so, I'd suggest switching to something a little = more sophisticated or you'll fall victim to more false positives. John --=20 John Pettigrew Headstrong Games=20 john@headstrong-games.co.uk Fun : Strategy : Price=20 http://www.headstrong-games.co.uk/ Board games that won't break the ban= k=20 Knossos: escape the ever-changing labyrinth before the Minotaur catches y= ou!=20 --1573104429--1916662605--1436723464 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBAbYHAp6M/P/S/JWgRAsbfAJ46CekHG8YL8/zzY+p0uVFgSbu5XACdEbEP Ei8lDSjzjVE8wKuWDpe3Z2s= =FETK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --1573104429--1916662605--1436723464-- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Apr 2 16:39:36 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1B9Qdg-0003SW-Lu-0003TH."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 16:39:36 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1B9Qdg-0003SW-Lu; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 15:31:25 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B9Qdg-0003SW-Lu; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 15:31:24 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B9Qdg-00037W-Ju; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 15:31:24 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B9Qdc-0005R2-1Q; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 16:31:20 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i32FVBP17058 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 16:31:11 +0100 Received: from smtp01.altohiway.com (smtp01.altohiway.com [195.12.4.238]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i32FVAp17042 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 16:31:10 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from websrv.quantel.com (quantel-gw.hiway.co.uk [195.12.20.34] (may be forged)) by smtp01.altohiway.com (8.11.6/8.9.3) with ESMTP id i32FV6r01990; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 16:31:06 +0100 In-Reply-To: <4c995cb51dmmartin@zetnet.co.uk> To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Cc: mmartin@zetnet.co.uk Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Email deleted by AntiSpam MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 15:47:29 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Mick, > Hi if the Andy Ling is reading this, if this is his proper name, to say > that any email what he sends to this Softwarelist run by David Pilling is > getting deleted by AntiSpam. > > This is the rule what is Deleting his mail. DELETE Received: = *forged* > his email. > > Now I know I can REM this out but then I will let loads of Spam in. > > Best Regards, Mick > I'm not sure I understand exactly what this is trying to say, but.. I am Andy Ling & that is my proper name. I don't know how AntiSpam is deciding my email is *forged*, but it looks like it is getting it wrong. I guess there may be some "IP hiding" going on as I am sat behind our company firewall and I know the IP address of my PC is not available to the outside world, but this is nothing unusual. I would have thought you could set up a rule that let anything through if it had the [softwarelist] ident in the subject, we don't get flooded with spam from this list. Anyway it's up to you, I don't think I will loose any sleep over this. You probably wont see this reply anyway, as it will have been deleted for you by AntiSpam Regards Andy Ling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Apr 2 16:59:37 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1B9R3S-0007Uk-RI-0007VK."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 16:59:37 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1B9R3S-0007Uk-RI; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 15:58:03 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B9R3S-0007Uk-RI; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 15:58:02 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B9R3S-0002wU-AI; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 15:58:02 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B9R3N-0003Qh-SW; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 16:57:57 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i32Fvmd31860 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 16:57:48 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i32Fvmu31854 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 16:57:48 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1B9R3D-0001Oh-0W for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 16:57:47 +0100 Message-ID: <8h532ODh0YbAFwmg@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 16:56:17 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Email deleted by AntiSpam References: <4c995cb51dmmartin@zetnet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >I don't know how AntiSpam is deciding my email is *forged*, but it looks >like it is getting it wrong. I guess there may be some "IP hiding" going >on as I am sat behind our company firewall and I know the IP address of >my PC is not available to the outside world, but this is nothing unusual. >I would have thought you could set up a rule that let anything through >if it had the [softwarelist] ident in the subject, we don't get flooded >with spam from this list. > >Anyway it's up to you, I don't think I will loose any sleep over this. > >You probably wont see this reply anyway, as it will have been deleted >for you by AntiSpam 8-) Yep, there should be no spam on this list (tempting the fates), there's enough trouble caused by the anti spam measures, so allowing through anything from the list would be a possibility. Spam assassin doesn't seem to object to your mails anyway. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Apr 2 17:09:39 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1B9R8j-00038n-RT-00039V."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 17:09:39 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1B9R8j-00038n-RT; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 16:03:30 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B9R8j-00038n-RT; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 16:03:29 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B9R8j-0000wW-Al; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 16:03:29 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B9R8a-0003oF-T0; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 17:03:20 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i32G3Ep01817 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 17:03:14 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i32G3Bh01793 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 17:03:11 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1B9R8R-000243-0W for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 17:03:11 +0100 Message-ID: <+xe3CzD85YbAFwGP@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 17:02:04 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro 2.74 Windows References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >A few minor things. The calcs example has the script file as a .b24 file >whereas all the installed applets have .csc OPW accepts both hex file type extensions and names (so .dpd and .b27). But the use of .b24 is because that example is quite old. >Trying to install via the applet manager, it is looking for a .oap file. >None of the applets seem to have one of these, so I'm not sure what I >need for this. I just copied my folder into the applets folder and >things appeared to happen. .oap files. You can just copy the applet into the applets folder as on RISC OS. However this is un Windows like, so I've invented the .oap file. This consists of zipping the applet and then changing .zip to .oap. When run or installed via the applet manager the contents will be unzipped and stuck in the applets folder. >So, I've just taken the raw .rc output of Temp.exe and built a .dll and >installed it. First all the format strings appear in the window, so it >looks a bit of a mess, but it is recognisable. I'm not swearing that every possible RISC OS icon is supported and/or translated. > The tick boxes all appear >to work, even to the point of opening the extra bit of window to show >the wildcards. The dropdown menu icons seem to work, but none of the >"Find", "Stop", "Next" etc. buttons seem to do anything. If you want me to look at it... >If it makes a difference, I'm using MSVC++ v6 That's what I used, and no it won't. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Apr 2 17:09:40 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1B9RBp-000551-SI-00055o."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 17:09:40 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1B9RBp-000551-SI; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 16:06:43 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B9RBp-000551-SI; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 16:06:41 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B9RBp-0001VP-Hq; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 16:06:41 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B9RBn-0004Y4-2m; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 17:06:39 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i32G6ZW03016 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 17:06:35 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i32G6Yp03011 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 17:06:34 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1B9RBi-0002SV-0W for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 17:06:34 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 17:05:29 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro 2.74 Windows References: <002001c4189e$cf5cee90$6502a8c0@padua> <9$pXxyBgaWbAFwH5@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c995a37dcJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4c995a37dcJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >I've asked before about documentation on exactly how DDL works (under >RO) and been told that there is no complete documentation. There is no documentation at all. > I presume >that this means that OP is written in lots of separate chunks and each >chunk has its own DDL generation/parsing support Correct. >I was wondering if, in the course of examining the whole of OP for >Windows, if you'd managed to pull together such doc as does exist? I'd >have thought that DDL would be important under Windows if anyone is >writing code to transfer OPW docs to/from OPW. Not having documentation is a shortcoming, and DDL could be a selling point for some people. However there's a lot of more important work to do first. I'm also not sure if I should drop DDL and define an XML. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Apr 2 17:19:38 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1B9RGe-0004WZ-6c-0004XS."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 17:19:38 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1B9RGe-0004WZ-6c; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 16:11:41 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B9RGe-0004WZ-6c; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 16:11:40 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B9RGd-0003tK-QZ; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 16:11:39 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B9RGa-0004p0-V2; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 17:11:36 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i32GBXF04888 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 17:11:33 +0100 Received: from mailout.zetnet.co.uk (mailout.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.47.231]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i32GBW204885 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 17:11:32 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from 40-230.dialup.zetnet.co.uk ([194.247.40.230] helo=zetnet.co.uk) by mailout.zetnet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1B9RGV-0006wZ-00 for ; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 17:11:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Michael M Martin To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 17:04:30 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Email deleted by AntiSpam Message-ID: <4c99654b7emmartin@zetnet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4c995cb51dmmartin@zetnet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.04) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , John Pettigrew wrote: > --1573104429--1916662605--1436723464 Content-Type: text/plain; > charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > In a previous message, John Pettigrew wrote: > > Looking at the results from SpamAssassin for Andy's posts, I suspect > > that the problem is that he has no real name part of his address > Actually, looking more closely at the headers, the problem is probably > this header: > Received: from websrv.quantel.com (quantel-gw.hiway.co.uk [195.12.20.34] > (may be forged)) > However, again, this is not by itself reason to discard an email as spam. You would use this to, from 28 of March I have deleted 30 spam with forged headers. and not one genuine email among them. > Does Antispam not support score-based filtering, or is it a simple > Yes/No result for each test? If so, I'd suggest switching to something a > little more sophisticated or you'll fall victim to more false positives. Not sure about that one, But when you say false positives this is the first time I have had a false positive, I have now put Andy's email address into my Rules list so in future I will get it. Mick. -- |^^^^ Michael Martin ^^^^^ mmartin@zetnet.co.uk ^^^|Using Kinetic RiscPC| | * http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/mmartin/fifepits/ *| Email and News by | | ^^^ http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/mmartin/sign/ ^^^| !Pluto | |====== Risc OS immune to email Virus ======|===With RISC OS 4===| -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Apr 2 17:39:39 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1B9Rav-0001sf-8c-0001tV."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 17:39:39 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1B9Rav-0001sf-8c; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 16:32:38 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B9Rav-0001sf-8c; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 16:32:37 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B9Rav-0004dc-G6; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 16:32:37 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B9Rar-0002Tl-9l; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 17:32:33 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i32GWN715038 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 17:32:23 +0100 Received: from smtp01.altohiway.com (smtp01.altohiway.com [195.12.4.238]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i32GWNJ15031 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 17:32:23 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from websrv.quantel.com (quantel-gw.hiway.co.uk [195.12.20.34] (may be forged)) by smtp01.altohiway.com (8.11.6/8.9.3) with ESMTP id i32GWIr25572 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 17:32:18 +0100 In-Reply-To: <+xe3CzD85YbAFwGP@pilling.demon.co.uk> To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro 2.74 Windows MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 17:18:01 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > >A few minor things. The calcs example has the script file as a .b24 file > >whereas all the installed applets have .csc > > OPW accepts both hex file type extensions and names (so .dpd and .b27). > But the use of .b24 is because that example is quite old. > OK > >Trying to install via the applet manager, it is looking for a .oap file. > >None of the applets seem to have one of these, so I'm not sure what I > >need for this. I just copied my folder into the applets folder and > >things appeared to happen. > > .oap files. You can just copy the applet into the applets folder as on > RISC OS. > > However this is un Windows like, so I've invented the .oap file. This > consists of zipping the applet and then changing .zip to .oap. When run > or installed via the applet manager the contents will be unzipped and > stuck in the applets folder. > OK again. I guess this will all be much clearer when the full documantation becomes available ;-) Another thing, the readme in calcs talks about applets in folders and applets contained in a dll. It says calcs is all in the dll, but it is not obvious how to build the different types. > > >So, I've just taken the raw .rc output of Temp.exe and built a .dll and > >installed it. First all the format strings appear in the window, so it > >looks a bit of a mess, but it is recognisable. > > I'm not swearing that every possible RISC OS icon is supported and/or > translated. > Does the scripting support the fx commands? I had to use fx 138 to get button presses to add characters to the input icons. I suspect this doesn't work now either. > > The tick boxes all appear > >to work, even to the point of opening the extra bit of window to show > >the wildcards. The dropdown menu icons seem to work, but none of the > >"Find", "Stop", "Next" etc. buttons seem to do anything. > > If you want me to look at it... > Which bits do you want? I should say I'm not an expert with MSVC++. I try to avoid writing anything for windows, so I could well have the settings wrong. I just created an empty dll project and added the .rc file and copies of the module stuff from calcs. Andy Ling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Apr 2 17:39:40 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1B9RcW-0003tf-PG-0003uJ."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 17:39:40 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1B9RcW-0003tf-PG; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 16:34:17 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B9RcW-0003tf-PG; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 16:34:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B9RcW-00001C-LQ; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 16:34:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B9RcB-0001oa-0H; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 17:33:55 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i32GXr615785 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 17:33:53 +0100 Received: from mailout.zetnet.co.uk (mailout.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.47.231]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i32GXqs15773 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 17:33:52 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from 40-225.dialup.zetnet.co.uk ([194.247.40.225] helo=zetnet.co.uk) by mailout.zetnet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1B9Rc6-0003YZ-00 for ; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 17:33:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Michael M Martin To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 17:30:17 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Email deleted by AntiSpam Message-ID: <4c9967a7dfmmartin@zetnet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.04) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Andy if your reading this one I have now put a rule in to except your mail, what I cannot under stand I have a line in the Rules to except email from Mailing lists and this has worked with no problem until today let them all in bar for your email. Mick. -- |^^^^ Michael Martin ^^^^^ mmartin@zetnet.co.uk ^^^|Using Kinetic RiscPC| | * http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/mmartin/fifepits/ *| Email and News by | | ^^^ http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/mmartin/sign/ ^^^| !Pluto | |====== Risc OS immune to email Virus ======|===With RISC OS 4===| -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Apr 2 17:49:39 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1B9RlC-0001Hl-NF-0001IT."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 17:49:39 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1B9RlC-0001Hl-NF; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 16:43:15 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B9RlC-0001Hl-NF; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 16:43:14 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B9RlC-00026m-0A; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 16:43:14 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B9Rl9-0005dH-B8; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 17:43:11 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i32Gh7i21195 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 17:43:07 +0100 Received: from smtp01.altohiway.com (smtp01.altohiway.com [195.12.4.238]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i32Gh6D21186 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 17:43:06 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from websrv.quantel.com (quantel-gw.hiway.co.uk [195.12.20.34] (may be forged)) by smtp01.altohiway.com (8.11.6/8.9.3) with ESMTP id i32Gh2r30763 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 17:43:02 +0100 In-Reply-To: <4c9967a7dfmmartin@zetnet.co.uk> To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Email deleted by AntiSpam MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 17:40:41 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > Andy if your reading this one I have now put a rule in to except I assume you mean accept ;-) > your > mail, what I cannot under stand I have a line in the Rules to except email > from Mailing lists and this has worked with no problem until today let > them all in bar for your email. > Well I've never been accused of sending spam until today :^) It's good to know you think there might be something of use in my emails ;-) I guess we should now stop clogging the list with what is really starting to become spam Regards Andy Ling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Apr 2 19:39:45 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1B9TVJ-0005mn-96-0005nP."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 19:39:45 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1B9TVJ-0005mn-96; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 18:34:58 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B9TVJ-0005mn-96; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 18:34:57 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B9TVJ-0005Is-Lg; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 18:34:57 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B9TVH-0004Cm-DV; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 19:34:55 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i32IYol01205 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 19:34:50 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i32IYoA01196 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 19:34:50 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1B9TVB-000Gy4-0W for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 19:34:49 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 18:57:06 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Email deleted by AntiSpam Message-ID: <4c996f9ae0Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4c9967a7dfmmartin@zetnet.co.uk> References: <4c9967a7dfmmartin@zetnet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4c9967a7dfmmartin@zetnet.co.uk>, Michael M Martin wrote: > Andy if your reading this one I have now put a rule in to except your > mail, what I cannot under stand I have a line in the Rules to except > email from Mailing lists and this has worked with no problem until > today let them all in bar for your email. Send me your rules file for me to have a look at, then. -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Apr 2 19:39:45 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1B9TVK-000049-Rh-00004w."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 19:39:45 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1B9TVK-000049-Rh; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 18:34:59 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B9TVK-000049-Rh; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 18:34:58 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B9TVK-0005JB-Di; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 18:34:58 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B9TVH-0001fO-HM; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 19:34:55 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i32IYn801186 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 19:34:49 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i32IYmW01181 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 19:34:48 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1B9TVA-000Gy4-0W for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 19:34:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 18:56:26 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Email deleted by AntiSpam Message-ID: <4c996f8b0cJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4c995cb51dmmartin@zetnet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , John Pettigrew wrote: > Does Antispam not support score-based filtering, or is it a simple > Yes/No result for each test? The latter. > If so, I'd suggest switching to something a little more sophisticated There isn't anything else, unless you know better? -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Apr 2 19:39:46 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1B9TVK-00062U-EY-00064F."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 19:39:46 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1B9TVK-00062U-EY; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 18:34:59 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B9TVK-00062U-EY; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 18:34:58 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B9TVK-0007hB-BP; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 18:34:58 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B9TVJ-0002Bh-E7; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 19:34:57 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i32IYmU01177 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 19:34:48 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i32IYl201174 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 19:34:47 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1B9TV8-000Gy4-0W for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 19:34:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 18:55:45 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Email deleted by AntiSpam Message-ID: <4c996f7b2fJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4c99654b7emmartin@zetnet.co.uk> References: <4c995cb51dmmartin@zetnet.co.uk> <4c99654b7emmartin@zetnet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4c99654b7emmartin@zetnet.co.uk>, Michael M Martin wrote: > Not sure about that one, But when you say false positives this is the > first time I have had a false positive, I have now put Andy's email > address into my Rules list so in future I will get it. Michael, you shouldn't be accepting mail list mail based onwho wrote them, but instead on te fact that they are from a mailing list. All your mailling list accept rules should be ahead of whatever rules you have that look for spam. The general rule is to accept known-to-be-ok stuff then test the rest. If I were you I'd use: Accept Sender: = *owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net* -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Apr 2 19:49:47 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1B9ThU-0006sB-3i-0006tN."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 19:49:47 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1B9ThU-0006sB-3i; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 18:47:32 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B9ThU-0006sB-3i; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 18:47:32 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B9ThT-0005HA-WC; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 18:47:32 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B9ThM-0004Sm-7V; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 19:47:24 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i32IlJd06231 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 19:47:19 +0100 Received: from mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (mta02-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.42]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i32IlJ306225 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 19:47:19 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from linux.at.home ([81.96.72.154]) by mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20040402184632.GRSR22409.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@linux.at.home> for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 19:46:32 +0100 Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 19:47:17 +0100 From: John Pettigrew To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Email deleted by AntiSpam Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4c996f8b0cJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> References: <4c995cb51dmmartin@zetnet.co.uk> <4c996f8b0cJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-Organization: XL Cambridge User-Agent: Gemini/1.35 (Qt/3.1.1) (Linux-i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="1059095597--658478964--1535990312"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) --1059095597--658478964--1535990312 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a previous message, Jeremy C B Nicoll wrote:= > In article , > John Pettigrew wrote: >=20 > > Does Antispam not support score-based filtering, or is it a simple Ye= s/No > > result for each test? If so, I'd suggest switching to something a lit= tle > > more sophisticated >=20 > There isn't anything else, unless you know better? ISTR there is at least one bayesian filter (possibly two) available for R= ISC OS (SpamStamp and Bogofilter, IIRC). These work by learning from the junk= and good email that you receive and assigning a score to each new email based= on this. You then decide what threshold score you will take to indicate spam= . John --=20 John Pettigrew Headstrong Games=20 john@headstrong-games.co.uk Fun : Strategy : Price=20 http://www.headstrong-games.co.uk/ Board games that won't break the ban= k=20 Fields of Valour: 2 Norse clans battle on one of 3 different boards --1059095597--658478964--1535990312 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBAbbU2p6M/P/S/JWgRAm/VAJ9h2RmKHjfUn1Od8k+Qhhi9f4GmewCePGXt 8B3VzxZSoLmDc7w+iYYZdV0= =6Rjp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --1059095597--658478964--1535990312-- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Apr 2 20:09:47 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1B9Tvh-0005ok-Rm-0005pD."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 20:09:47 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1B9Tvh-0005ok-Rm; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 19:02:14 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B9Tvh-0005ok-Rm; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 19:02:13 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B9Tvh-00038C-EN; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 19:02:13 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B9Tvd-0006bS-NN; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 20:02:09 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i32J24614029 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 20:02:04 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i32J24414026 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 20:02:04 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1B9TvX-000IQF-0b for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 20:02:03 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 20:00:53 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro 2.74 Windows References: <+xe3CzD85YbAFwGP@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Another thing, the readme in calcs talks about applets in folders and >applets contained in a dll. It says calcs is all in the dll, but it is >not obvious how to build the different types. Well you can put as much stuff as you want in the .dll. If you put everything in it, you get something like calcs - an applet that is just a single .dll file. If you put less in then the situation is more like a RISC OS applet - a folder with other folders in it, Autorun, Library etc. >Does the scripting support the fx commands? I had to use fx 138 to get >button presses to add characters to the input icons. I suspect this >doesn't work now either. No, fx now does nothing. I've emulated a lot of RISC OS, so bbc_vdu(7) goes "beep", but not OS_Byte. It is a good point, I know I've used fx 138 occasionally. >> If you want me to look at it... >Which bits do you want? The Win project + applet. Err if you like, it might be easier for me to grab the RISC OS applet and convert it. >for windows, so I could well have the settings wrong. I just created an >empty dll project and added the .rc file and copies of the module stuff >from calcs. Um. I would have been inclined to take the calcs project and set off from that. Setting off from scratch you do need to know what you're doing - e.g. no MFC support, even for .rc files there are some horribly subtle things. For example your windows need to be of class 'task' - ISTR by default you won't get the chance to specify a class. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Apr 2 20:19:47 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1B9U4W-0002mm-GK-0002nb."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 20:19:47 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1B9U4W-0002mm-GK; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 19:11:21 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B9U4W-0002mm-GK; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 19:11:20 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B9U4V-0004po-TC; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 19:11:19 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B9U4T-0007yk-GL; 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Fri, 02 Apr 2004 20:47:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 20:15:13 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro 2.74 Windows Message-ID: <4c9976c167Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <002001c4189e$cf5cee90$6502a8c0@padua> <9$pXxyBgaWbAFwH5@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c995a37dcJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , David Pilling wrote: > Not having documentation is a shortcoming, and DDL could be a selling > point for some people. However there's a lot of more important work > to do first. > I'm also not sure if I should drop DDL and define an XML. I'm sure there are people who'd love to see XML support, but personally I'd prefer that to come along as an extra rather than replacing DDL. -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Apr 2 23:29:57 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1B9X7j-0003Jo-Kq-0003Kl."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 23:29:57 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1B9X7j-0003Jo-Kq; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 22:26:52 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B9X7j-0003Jo-Kq; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 22:26:51 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B9X7j-0003sF-9c; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 22:26:51 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B9X7e-0005Pi-JT; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 23:26:46 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i32MQaq15146 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 23:26:36 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i32MQZX15141 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 23:26:35 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1B9X7T-000HOA-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 23:26:35 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 23:24:55 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro 2.74 Windows References: <+xe3CzD85YbAFwGP@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) ... so I grabbed the SRWE applet and converted it to windows. Interesting exercise, clearly there needs to be more documentation. The template conversion program was only happy with validation strings like the ones I use, so the F17's and so on upset it. I've now updated it to handle those. Alas you've got to think like Windows - Windows doesn't like icons on top of one another - so I had to slightly change the design. In Windows button #1 is OK and button #2 is Cancel - I've not changed that but it needs changing. A tab order will have to be sorted out. I've got to investigate why some icons are not shading. I've implemented *fx138. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Apr 2 23:59:58 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1B9XXQ-0005JT-GY-0005K8."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 23:59:58 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1B9XXQ-0005JT-GY; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 22:53:24 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B9XXQ-0005JT-GY; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 22:53:24 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B9XXP-00049L-V2; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 22:53:23 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B9XXK-0004Yx-Mb; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 23:53:18 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i32MrCm20606 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 23:53:12 +0100 Received: from mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (mta01-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.41]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i32MrBt20602 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 23:53:11 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from j8s0v7 ([80.5.10.135]) by mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20040402225253.DNKB17631.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@j8s0v7> for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 23:52:53 +0100 Message-ID: <008f01c41905$41baab60$6401a8c0@j8s0v7> From: "John Grogan" To: References: <002001c4189e$cf5cee90$6502a8c0@padua> <9$pXxyBgaWbAFwH5@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c995a37dcJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> Subject: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro DDL/XML Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 23:53:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Pilling" > > I'm also not sure if I should drop DDL and define an XML. > David, DDL is one of Ovation's greatest assets. If you do drop it in favour of XML, please ensure all features continue to be supported and give those of us with DDL writers plenty of warning (and doco) so we can develop XML writers to replace them! Thanks John Grogan -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Apr 3 14:01:23 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1B9kax-0005GZ-Od-0005MZ."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 3 Apr 2004 14:01:23 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1B9kax-0005GZ-Od; Sat, 03 Apr 2004 12:49:57 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B9kax-0005GZ-Od; Sat, 03 Apr 2004 12:49:55 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B9kax-0006YX-CW; Sat, 03 Apr 2004 12:49:55 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B9kak-0001b7-9D; Sat, 03 Apr 2004 13:49:42 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i33CnIp09840 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 3 Apr 2004 13:49:18 +0100 Received: from mta08-svc.ntlworld.com (mta08-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.48]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i33CnHk09834 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 2004 13:49:17 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from linux.at.home ([81.96.72.154]) by mta08-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20040403124901.DKRH5004.mta08-svc.ntlworld.com@linux.at.home> for ; Sat, 3 Apr 2004 13:49:03 +0100 Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 13:48:53 +0100 From: John Pettigrew To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Email deleted by AntiSpam Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4c99761b69Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> References: <4c995cb51dmmartin@zetnet.co.uk> <4c996f8b0cJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> <4c99761b69Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-Organization: XL Cambridge User-Agent: Gemini/1.35 (Qt/3.1.1) (Linux-i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="602167047--1099977362--886512346"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) --602167047--1099977362--886512346 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a previous message, Jeremy C B Nicoll wrote:= > In article , > John Pettigrew wrote: >=20 > > ISTR there is at least one bayesian filter >=20 > But with these you have to download the spam first. True - I'm afraid I'm on broadband so tend to forget the bandwidth issues= :-(. In this case, you might be better using a generic server-side filtering system - ISTR there is also a RISC OS oriented one of these but can't rem= ember the details, but there are also various schemes that don't care what soft= ware or OS you run. John --=20 John Pettigrew Headstrong Games=20 john@headstrong-games.co.uk Fun : Strategy : Price=20 http://www.headstrong-games.co.uk/ Board games that won't break the ban= k=20 Knossos: escape the ever-changing labyrinth before the Minotaur catches y= ou!=20 --602167047--1099977362--886512346 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBAbrK5p6M/P/S/JWgRAqf0AJ4llOuPL+T5X4P0zO2lHWwfmks/ywCeOCP7 V8kHvx52cZGqILPG2ICjIs0= =Ry6S -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --602167047--1099977362--886512346-- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Apr 6 16:48:34 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1B9tDC-0000PR-Bi-0000Q8."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 16:48:34 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1B9tDC-0000PR-Bi; Sat, 03 Apr 2004 22:02:00 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B9tDC-0000PR-Bi; Sat, 03 Apr 2004 22:01:58 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B9tDC-00070N-FF; Sat, 03 Apr 2004 22:01:58 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B9tD4-0001ck-6C; Sat, 03 Apr 2004 23:01:50 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i33M10015113 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 3 Apr 2004 23:01:00 +0100 Received: from pengo.systems.pipex.net (pengo.systems.pipex.net [62.241.160.193]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i33M0t015061 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 2004 23:00:55 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from RiscPC (81-178-216-251.dsl.pipex.com [81.178.216.251]) by pengo.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFFC04C00175 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 2004 23:00:54 +0100 (BST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 22:10:35 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro 2.74 Windows Message-ID: <4c99815153steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> In-Reply-To: References: <77fa9a944c.polak@nararch.nlr.nl> <4c990ec213adamlists@paradise.net.nz> User-Agent: Pluto/2.05-a1 (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,DATE_IN_PAST_24_48,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION, IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 02 Apr, David Pilling wrote: > >When I represent OPro to people what windows app is it akin to? What's a > >short phrase that descripes it? > Desktop publisher, or the meeting of word processing and desktop > publishing, document processing. A bit like Microsoft Publisher. I'd put the latter down as an insult if anyone had said it. MS Publisher makes Word look good. -- No Rugby Airport, and good riddance to what never was... Steve Pampling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Apr 6 16:48:37 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1B9v51-0002k3-Mb-0002nt."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 16:48:37 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1B9v51-0002k3-Mb; Sun, 04 Apr 2004 00:01:40 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B9v51-0002k3-Mb; Sun, 04 Apr 2004 00:01:39 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B9v50-0005Kn-QZ; Sun, 04 Apr 2004 00:01:38 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B9v4m-0006CD-NW; Sun, 04 Apr 2004 01:01:24 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i3400P030407 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 4 Apr 2004 01:00:25 +0100 Received: from phoenix.wave.co.nz (smtp.wave.co.nz [203.96.216.4]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i3400Il30340 for ; Sun, 4 Apr 2004 01:00:22 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from albion (p144.hn2.wave.co.nz [203.96.195.157]) by phoenix.wave.co.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id B00CF1248C for ; Sun, 4 Apr 2004 12:00:12 +1200 (NZST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Keith Hopper To: Date: Sun, 04 Apr 2004 12:39:14 +1300 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro DDL/XML Message-ID: <4c9a12c340kh@waikato.ac.nz> In-Reply-To: <008f01c41905$41baab60$6401a8c0@j8s0v7> References: <002001c4189e$cf5cee90$6502a8c0@padua> <9$pXxyBgaWbAFwH5@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c995a37dcJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> <008f01c41905$41baab60$6401a8c0@j8s0v7> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <008f01c41905$41baab60$6401a8c0@j8s0v7>, John Grogan wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Pilling" > > > > I'm also not sure if I should drop DDL and define an XML. > > > David, > DDL is one of Ovation's greatest assets. If you do drop it in favour of > XML, please ensure all features continue to be supported and give those of > us with DDL writers plenty of warning (and doco) so we can develop XML > writers to replace them! I have actually been looking at the draft version 1.1 of the W3C xsl-fo Recommendation. This looks very much as though it is (in a defferent notation) well over 90% of what DDL does - providing, perhaps one uses a program to generate the mark-up - or, as has been suggested to me, store styles in CSS2/3 form in a (OPro??) document and expand when read into property attributes. This would eventually mean that by writing documents out in xsl-fo, they could be 'printed' by something like fop (an Apache project). Some further thought is needed, however, in relation to 'generated content' - eg bullets, list markers, etc. Ketih -- City Desk Waikato University [PGP key available if desired] -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Apr 6 16:48:47 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1B9zo6-00029x-Sd-0002Af."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 16:48:47 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1B9zo6-00029x-Sd; Sun, 04 Apr 2004 05:04:32 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B9zo6-00029x-Sd; Sun, 04 Apr 2004 05:04:30 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B9zo6-0000pi-Mb; Sun, 04 Apr 2004 05:04:30 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B9zo1-0007W7-8c; Sun, 04 Apr 2004 06:04:25 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i3454AL30878 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 4 Apr 2004 06:04:10 +0100 Received: from queue4-svc.ntlworld.com (queue4-win.server.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.224]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i34549v30874 for ; Sun, 4 Apr 2004 06:04:09 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from linux.at.home ([81.96.72.154]) by mta08-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20040401130629.BFHG5004.mta08-svc.ntlworld.com@linux.at.home> for ; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 14:06:29 +0100 Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 14:06:24 +0100 From: John Pettigrew To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro 2.74 Windows Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <77fa9a944c.polak@nararch.nlr.nl> Mail-Followup-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-Organization: XL Cambridge User-Agent: Gemini/1.34g (Qt/3.1.1) (Linux-i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="378706336--1614002949--354611135"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) --378706336--1614002949--354611135 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a previous message, David Pilling wrote: > > http://www.davidpilling.com/ovationpro/opw.html >=20 > Try >=20 > http://pilling.users.netlink.co.uk/ovationpro/opw.html >=20 > I suspect we have a hosting snag here... Unfortunately, this no longer seems to run under Wine on linux (unhandled= exception error). John --=20 John Pettigrew Headstrong Games=20 john@headstrong-games.co.uk Fun : Strategy : Price=20 http://www.headstrong-games.co.uk/ Board games that won't break the ban= k=20 Fields of Valour: 2 Norse clans battle on one of 3 different boards --378706336--1614002949--354611135 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBAbBPRp6M/P/S/JWgRAi0SAKCNGJR59QncmQsxtFmqRXFirfZdyQCeNua1 Wp/IEvS3rKxB2Uwt9XOMBF4= =j4ko -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --378706336--1614002949--354611135-- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Apr 6 16:48:52 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BA3n4-0001Sk-Bq-0001Vg."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 16:48:52 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BA3n4-0001Sk-Bq; Sun, 04 Apr 2004 09:19:44 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BA3n4-0001Sk-Bq; Sun, 04 Apr 2004 09:19:42 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BA3n4-00017u-G1; Sun, 04 Apr 2004 09:19:42 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BA3mz-0005gA-Ix; Sun, 04 Apr 2004 10:19:37 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i349JPN25585 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 4 Apr 2004 10:19:25 +0100 Received: from ptb-relay01.plus.net (ptb-relay01.plus.net [212.159.14.212]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i349JOU25580 for ; Sun, 4 Apr 2004 10:19:25 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [80.229.143.236] (helo=miranda.philipnet.com) by ptb-relay01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1BA3mj-0001hK-SR for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 04 Apr 2004 09:19:22 +0000 Received: from philipnet.com (gromit.philipnet.com [192.168.1.33]) by miranda.philipnet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFE802C4F0 for ; Sun, 4 Apr 2004 10:19:19 +0100 (BST) Received: from philip by philipnet.com with local (RemoteNB 1.54) for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; 04 Apr 2004 10:19:19 +0100 Date: Sun, 04 Apr 2004 10:19:18 +0100 From: Philip Ludlam To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro DDL/XML Message-ID: References: <9$pXxyBgaWbAFwH5@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c995a37dcJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> <4c9a12c340kh@waikato.ac.nz> In-Reply-To: <4c9a12c340kh@waikato.ac.nz> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (RemoteNB/1.54) (RISC-OS/4.37) X-Sender: Philip Ludlam X-Sender-URL: http://www.philipnet.com/ X-Editor: StrongED 4.67 alpha 2 X-Editor-URL: http://www.stronged.iconbar.com/ X-Desktop-Utility: Director X-Desktop-Utility-URL: http://director.sourceforge.net/ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 4 Apr, in message <4c9a12c340kh@waikato.ac.nz> Keith Hopper wrote: >In article <008f01c41905$41baab60$6401a8c0@j8s0v7>, > John Grogan wrote: > >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "David Pilling" >> > >> > I'm also not sure if I should drop DDL and define an XML. >> > > >> David, > >> DDL is one of Ovation's greatest assets. If you do drop it in favour of >> XML, please ensure all features continue to be supported and give those of >> us with DDL writers plenty of warning (and doco) so we can develop XML >> writers to replace them! > > I have actually been looking at the draft version 1.1 of the W3C >xsl-fo Recommendation. As a minor point there seems (to me) to be a great reluctance to accept 1.1 at least in the open source community. You will find that until 1.1 become officially ratified the likes of xlstproc won't support XML 1.1 (which makes converting XML 1.1 into anything else a bit of a pain). Yours, Phil L. -- http://www.philipnet.com | http://director.sourceforge.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Apr 6 16:48:56 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BADnx-0000Pi-FR-0000QO."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 16:48:56 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BADnx-0000Pi-FR; Sun, 04 Apr 2004 20:01:18 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BADnx-0000Pi-FR; Sun, 04 Apr 2004 20:01:17 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BADnx-00053t-Kb; Sun, 04 Apr 2004 20:01:17 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BADnl-0003GJ-Pa; Sun, 04 Apr 2004 21:01:05 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i34K0UH13911 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 4 Apr 2004 21:00:30 +0100 Received: from newman.its.waikato.ac.nz (newman.its.waikato.ac.nz [130.217.66.62]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i34K0Kt13854 for ; Sun, 4 Apr 2004 21:00:22 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from freja (freja.cs.waikato.ac.nz [130.217.248.25]) by newman.its.waikato.ac.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF3FE127BD4 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 08:00:17 +1200 (NZST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Keith Hopper To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 08:03:32 +1200 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro DDL/XML Message-ID: <4c9a82da28kh@waikato.ac.nz> In-Reply-To: References: <9$pXxyBgaWbAFwH5@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c995a37dcJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> <4c9a12c340kh@waikato.ac.nz> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , Philip Ludlam wrote: [snip] > As a minor point there seems (to me) to be a great reluctance to accept > 1.1 at least in the open source community. You will find that until 1.1 > become officially ratified the likes of xlstproc won't support XML 1.1 > (which makes converting XML 1.1 into anything else a bit of a pain). Indeed! I have the funny feeling that that stems from the original DSSSL stuff which felt a bit like lisp - and xsl-fo 1 was so different from the then prevalent CSS styling for display that it has never taken off like most of the other xml-based mark-up. Actually, I quite like it! Keith -- City Desk Waikato University [PGP key available if desired] -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Apr 6 16:50:13 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BAS1H-0003Rg-4R-0003SV."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 16:50:13 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BAS1H-0003Rg-4R; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 11:12:00 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BAS1H-0003Rg-4R; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 11:11:59 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BAS1H-0007aG-6i; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 11:11:59 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BAS18-0003kG-NO; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 12:11:50 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i35BBQY30752 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 12:11:26 +0100 Received: from smtp01.altohiway.com (smtp01.altohiway.com [195.12.4.238]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i35BBPo30740 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 12:11:26 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from websrv.quantel.com (quantel-gw.hiway.co.uk [195.12.20.34] (may be forged)) by smtp01.altohiway.com (8.11.6/8.9.3) with ESMTP id i35BBHr27089 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 12:11:21 +0100 In-Reply-To: To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro 2.74 Windows MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 12:11:06 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net wrote on 02/04/2004 23:24:55: > ... so I grabbed the SRWE applet and converted it to windows. > It looks like you might have grabbed an old version. The converted template you've done doesn't have the wildcard stuff in. > Interesting exercise, clearly there needs to be more documentation. > I've heard that somewhere before. > The template conversion program was only happy with validation strings > like the ones I use, so the F17's and so on upset it. I've now updated > it to handle those. > Great - so there will be a new release of Temp.exe..... > Alas you've got to think like Windows - Windows doesn't like icons on > top of one another - so I had to slightly change the design. In Windows > button #1 is OK and button #2 is Cancel - I've not changed that but it > needs changing. A tab order will have to be sorted out. > It's a while since I've looked at this, but I suspect it was all to create those fancy 3D buttons. I guess I need to simplify the RiscOS version, then start again. Are you saying that to make things "conform" I should make "Find" and "Stop" buttons 1 & 2 > I've got to investigate why some icons are not shading. I've implemented > *fx138. > I assume that will be in the next OPW release. Regards Andy Ling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Apr 6 16:50:14 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BATQ1-0007kp-KW-0007lq."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 16:50:14 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BATQ1-0007kp-KW; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 12:41:38 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BATQ1-0007kp-KW; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 12:41:37 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BATQ1-0005NN-5u; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 12:41:37 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BATPx-0006OH-Ht; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 13:41:33 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i35CfKf31447 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 13:41:20 +0100 Received: from smtpq1.home.nl (smtpq1.home.nl [213.51.128.196]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i35CfIX31431 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 13:41:19 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [213.51.128.135] (port=32791 helo=smtp4.home.nl) by smtpq1.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BATPi-0007cr-Bs for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 14:41:18 +0200 Received: from cp418204-a.dbsch1.nb.home.nl ([217.123.44.165]:55999 helo=padua) by smtp4.home.nl with smtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BATPp-0006Q3-6A for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 14:41:25 +0200 Message-ID: <003b01c41b14$0fdcf010$6502a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: References: Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro 2.74 Windows Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 13:32:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-AtHome-MailScanner-Information: Neem contact op met support@home.nl voor meer informatie X-AtHome-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Monday, April 05, 2004 12:11, Andy.Ling@quantel.com wrote: > .... I guess I need to simplify the > RiscOS version, then start again. Are you saying that to make > things "conform" I should make "Find" and "Stop" buttons 1 & 2 > >> I've got to investigate why some icons are not shading. I've >> implemented > >> *fx138. >> > > I assume that will be in the next OPW release. I assume (or at least I hope) 'Search-and-Replace-with-Styles' in OPW will follow soon ... I look forward to that extension. Thanks, Tonnie -- Mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Apr 6 16:50:16 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BAX2Q-0006QV-3I-0006R7."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 16:50:16 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BAX2Q-0006QV-3I; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 16:33:30 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BAX2Q-0006QV-3I; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 16:33:30 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BAX2P-0006BW-RC; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 16:33:29 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BAX2G-0006vb-V6; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 17:33:20 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i35GX3T28745 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 17:33:03 +0100 Received: from mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (mta03-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.43]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i35GX1p28726 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 17:33:01 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from Iyonix ([80.1.151.118]) by mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20040405163219.BVSL29451.mta03-svc.ntlworld.com@Iyonix>; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 17:32:19 +0100 Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 16:27:26 GMT From: To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Cc: iyonix-support@smartgroups.com Subject: [softwarelist] SparkFS 1.39 crashing the Iyonix Message-ID: <0ae7f29a4c.ralph_valmai@ntlworld.com> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.04) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,NO_REAL_NAME,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I am having trouble with SparkFS (v 1.39) crashing my Iyonix. I have been transferring large amounts of data from a PC and archiving it on the Iyonix hard disc. Regularly during this process, the Iyonix freezes with the mouse pointer movable but nothing else working (mouse clicks of any kind have no effect). I started by transferring via LanMan directly into a Zip file and for a while was blaming the link, but transferring the files without compressing them works fine. The freezes (if that is the right word) occur at irregular intervals when the transferred files are put into the Zip file. It seems to happen when big files are being compressed, although some more observation is required to confirm that. One possibility is that the PC file names have characters not allowed under Risc OS. Might that be the case? or is there some other explanation? And, of course, what, if anything, can be done about it? I will be very grateful for any help or advice. Ralph -- Ralph & Valmai Stevens In leafy Epping -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Apr 6 16:50:17 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BAXod-0000eS-Dh-0000fG."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 16:50:17 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BAXod-0000eS-Dh; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 17:23:20 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BAXod-0000eS-Dh; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 17:23:19 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BAXod-0006UX-36; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 17:23:19 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BAXoW-00056D-FQ; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 18:23:12 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i35HN5216518 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 18:23:05 +0100 Received: from cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.173]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i35HN0Q16490 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 18:23:00 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from modem-16.gallium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.30.16] helo=kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.14) id 1BAXoJ-0006WZ-DG for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 18:22:59 +0100 Date: Sun, 04 Apr 2004 19:23:09 +0100 From: John Message-ID: <58a9799a4c.johnpercy@kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/4.03) POPstar/2.03 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] OP2.74 Button bar & default doc MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,DATE_IN_PAST_12_24,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On upgrading to 2.74 from 2.. I have Lost my 3 line button bar. It has gone to a single line. My default doc margins are also different. How do I copy the old settings to the new version? thanks. -- J.P. Kerslake B.Sc., F.B.I.S. Dyslexia Rules KO. Pager 07626 - 235878, "phone" 01248-353264. e-mail Home=johnpercyNOSPAM@kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk, (remove NOSPAM) Riscstation Lite+. Risc OS 4.03 boot 1.03. Messenger Pro. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Apr 6 16:50:18 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BAYP2-0002QV-CT-0002Rz."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 16:50:18 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BAYP2-0002QV-CT; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 18:00:57 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BAYP2-0002QV-CT; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 18:00:56 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BAYP2-0007m5-LE; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 18:00:56 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BAYOz-0001z0-4z; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 19:00:53 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i35I0Rp03147 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 19:00:27 +0100 Received: from obelix.spectraweb.ch (mailrelay03.sunrise.ch [194.158.229.31]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i35I0GU03039 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 19:00:17 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from janvredenburchsmile.ch (abo-be-1-1-dialup-216.spectraweb.ch [194.230.8.216]) by obelix.spectraweb.ch (8.12.9/8.12.6) with SMTP id i35I0CX8007270 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 20:00:13 +0200 Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 19:55:33 +0200 (BST) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SparkFS 1.39 crashing the Iyonix To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net In-Reply-To: <0ae7f29a4c.ralph_valmai@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: CIC member; Secretariaat St. Van Vredenburch X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Mon 05 Apr, ralph_valmai@ntlworld.com wrote: > > I am having trouble with SparkFS (v 1.39) crashing my Iyonix. I have been > transferring large amounts of data from a PC and archiving it on the > Iyonix hard disc. Regularly during this process, the Iyonix freezes with > the mouse pointer movable but nothing else working (mouse clicks of any > kind have no effect). I'm not sure SparkFS (v 1.39) is at fault. I have the same experience, especially with large files. On the Iyonix side or the RiscPC side as well. That is, all transfer leads to an Error message/window and part (or all) of the system not functioning anymore. Also, it seems some files corrupt the file transfer, especially DOS typed files and/or files with DOS inclusions. And/or files having been somehow transferred through the DOS/Windoze world. I'm trying to figure out and to state when and how this happens. But have as yet not found a common "reproductive happening". > I started by transferring via LanMan directly into a Zip file and for a > while was blaming the link, but transferring the files without compressing > them works fine. The freezes (if that is the right word) occur at irregular > intervals when the transferred files are put into the Zip file. It seems > to happen when big files are being compressed, although some more > observation is required to confirm that. > > One possibility is that the PC file names have characters not allowed > under Risc OS. Might that be the case? or is there some other > explanation? Upper case versus lower case? What version of Windoze?? > > And, of course, what, if anything, can be done about it? > > I will be very grateful for any help or advice. Me too. JohnvV JM van Vredenburch, CH - 6006 Luzern . -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Apr 6 16:50:19 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BAYPG-0002YW-AU-0002ZC."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 16:50:19 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BAYPG-0002YW-AU; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 18:01:11 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BAYPG-0002YW-AU; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 18:01:10 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BAYPG-0000U4-2A; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 18:01:10 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BAYOy-0001yl-9v; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 19:00:52 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i35I0TP03154 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 19:00:29 +0100 Received: from obelix.spectraweb.ch (mailrelay03.sunrise.ch [194.158.229.31]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i35I0GC03036 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 19:00:17 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from janvredenburchsmile.ch (abo-be-1-1-dialup-216.spectraweb.ch [194.230.8.216]) by obelix.spectraweb.ch (8.12.9/8.12.6) with SMTP id i35I0CXA007270 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 20:00:14 +0200 Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 19:59:14 +0200 (BST) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP2.74 Button bar & default doc To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net In-Reply-To: <58a9799a4c.johnpercy@kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: CIC member; Secretariaat St. Van Vredenburch X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO, SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Sun 04 Apr, John wrote: > > On upgrading to 2.74 from 2.. I have Lost my 3 line button bar. It has gone to > a single line. My default doc margins are also different. How do I copy the old settin > gs to the new version? > thanks. Do you have a backup of your 2.74? JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch, CH - 6006 Luzern . -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Apr 6 16:50:21 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BAYqT-0000d6-7o-0000dI."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 16:50:21 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BAYqT-0000d6-7o; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 18:29:17 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BAYqT-0000d6-7o; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 18:29:17 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BAYqT-000627-7k; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 18:29:17 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BAYqI-0002rI-7h; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 19:29:06 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i35ISxv20713 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 19:28:59 +0100 Received: from obelix.spectraweb.ch (mailrelay03.sunrise.ch [194.158.229.31]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i35ISv320674 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 19:28:57 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from janvredenburchsmile.ch (abo-be-1-1-dialup-192.spectraweb.ch [194.230.8.192]) by obelix.spectraweb.ch (8.12.9/8.12.6) with SMTP id i35IStX8032413 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 20:28:56 +0200 Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 20:27:58 +0200 (BST) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP2.74 Button bar & default doc To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net In-Reply-To: <58a9799a4c.johnpercy@kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: CIC member; Secretariaat St. Van Vredenburch X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO, SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Correction: On Sun 04 Apr, John wrote: > > On upgrading to 2.74 from 2.. I have Lost my 3 line button bar. It has gone to > a single line. My default doc margins are also different. How do I copy the old settings to the new version? Do you have a backup of your version 2..? JMvV -- JM van Vredenburch, CH - 6006 Luzern . -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Apr 6 16:50:24 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BAZAC-0003cJ-9S-0003ck."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 16:50:24 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BAZAC-0003cJ-9S; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 18:49:41 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BAZAC-0003cJ-9S; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 18:49:40 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BAZAC-0004qe-Nc; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 18:49:40 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BAZA6-00009p-P8; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 19:49:34 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i35InUq29908 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 19:49:30 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i35InTO29905 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 19:49:29 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from vigay.demon.co.uk ([80.177.103.19] helo=anonymous) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BAZA1-000D48-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 19:49:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Vigay To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 19:49:02 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SparkFS 1.39 crashing the Iyonix Message-ID: <4c9affddeblists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> In-Reply-To: References: <0ae7f29a4c.ralph_valmai@ntlworld.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.05) POPstar/2.05 X-No-Archive: Yes Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch wrote: > I'm not sure SparkFS (v 1.39) is at fault. I have the same experience, > especially with large files. On the Iyonix side or the RiscPC side as > well. That is, all transfer leads to an Error message/window and part (or > all) of the system not functioning anymore. I've never had this problem, but SparkFS can appear to hang the machine for long periods if you give it huge files. Over the weekend, I copied some 500M into a single archive and it 'stalled' for ages, so I went away and had a cup of tea and some biscuits, came back and it had eventually finished. -- Paul Vigay __\\|//__ Life, (` o-o ') the Universe http://www.vigay.com -----ooO-(_)-Ooo------ & Everything ------ Microsoft is not the answer. Microsoft is the question. No is the answer! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Apr 6 16:50:30 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BAcbx-0003yS-7l-0003z3."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 16:50:30 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BAcbx-0003yS-7l; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 22:30:34 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BAcbx-0003yS-7l; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 22:30:33 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BAcbx-0001vf-7W; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 22:30:33 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BAcbm-0003wP-9K; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 23:30:22 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i35MU7L30992 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 23:30:07 +0100 Received: from smtp3.mail.be.easynet.net (eshu.mail.be.easynet.net [212.100.160.117]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i35MU4630980 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 23:30:04 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from 213-193-182-91.adsl.easynet.be ([213.193.182.91] helo=Iota) by smtp3.mail.be.easynet.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BAcbU-00072E-8u for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 00:30:04 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefaan Claes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 00:30:40 +0200 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Email deleted by AntiSpam Message-ID: <4c9b14284bsclaes@aaug.net> In-Reply-To: References: <4c995cb51dmmartin@zetnet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03g (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 X-Platform: Iyonix pc X-Processor: Xscale 80321 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 02 Apr, John Pettigrew wrote: [snip] > Actually, looking more closely at the headers, the problem is probably this > header: > Received: from websrv.quantel.com (quantel-gw.hiway.co.uk [195.12.20.34] > (may be forged)) *gethost websrv.quantel.com Failed to look up "websrv.quantel.com" *gethost quantel-gw.hiway.co.uk Hostname: quantel-gw.hiway.co.uk Address: 195.12.20.34 Maybe a mailserver that isn't configured correctly? [snip] > John Stefaan -- Stefaan Claes, Hove, Antwerpen, Belgium, Europe, -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Apr 6 16:50:41 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BAm5b-0000ge-N5-0000ha."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 16:50:41 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BAm5b-0000ge-N5; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 08:37:48 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BAm5b-0000ge-N5; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 08:37:47 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BAm5a-00005F-UW; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 08:37:46 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BAm5S-00030u-FF; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 09:37:38 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i368b4a19342 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 09:37:04 +0100 Received: from smtp01.altohiway.com (smtp01.altohiway.com [195.12.4.238]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i368b3E19318 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 09:37:03 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from websrv.quantel.com (quantel-gw.hiway.co.uk [195.12.20.34] (may be forged)) by smtp01.altohiway.com (8.11.6/8.9.3) with ESMTP id i368b1r20561 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 09:37:01 +0100 In-Reply-To: <4c9b14284bsclaes@aaug.net> To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Email deleted by AntiSpam MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 09:31:28 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > > Actually, looking more closely at the headers, the problem is probably this > > header: > > > Received: from websrv.quantel.com (quantel-gw.hiway.co.uk [195.12.20.34] > > (may be forged)) > > *gethost websrv.quantel.com > Failed to look up "websrv.quantel.com" > websrv.quantel.com is behind our firewall (actually in the middle) so is not visible to the outside world. I'm told this is deliberate, fairly common and not likely to change. > *gethost quantel-gw.hiway.co.uk > Hostname: quantel-gw.hiway.co.uk > Address: 195.12.20.34 > > > Maybe a mailserver that isn't configured correctly? > I guess it depends how you define correct. Andy Ling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Apr 6 16:50:44 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BAmTz-0001M4-AA-0001Mu."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 16:50:44 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BAmTz-0001M4-AA; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 09:03:00 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BAmTz-0001M4-AA; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 09:02:59 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BAmTy-00070v-VQ; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 09:02:58 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BAmTo-0000PQ-U3; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 10:02:48 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i3692go31455 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 10:02:42 +0100 Received: from smtp01.altohiway.com (smtp01.altohiway.com [195.12.4.238]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i3692Xs31383 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 10:02:34 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from websrv.quantel.com (quantel-gw.hiway.co.uk [195.12.20.34] (may be forged)) by smtp01.altohiway.com (8.11.6/8.9.3) with ESMTP id i3692Vr03903 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 10:02:31 +0100 In-Reply-To: To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro 2.74 Windows MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 10:02:08 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) David Pilling said :- > I've implemented *fx138. > I do wonder whether a better way of sending text to a writable icon should be invented. I can just see you trying to explain to all these new Windows based applet writers what *fx138 means. Obviously it is needed for backward compatibility, but... Andy Ling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Apr 6 16:50:46 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BAnIj-0004fq-Ac-0004gj."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 16:50:46 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BAnIj-0004fq-Ac; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 09:55:26 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BAnIj-0004fq-Ac; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 09:55:25 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BAnIj-0004lS-3g; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 09:55:25 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BAnId-0001i5-KK; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 10:55:19 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i369t9o24935 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 10:55:09 +0100 Received: from smtp01.altohiway.com (smtp01.altohiway.com [195.12.4.238]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i369t8m24923 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 10:55:08 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from websrv.quantel.com (quantel-gw.hiway.co.uk [195.12.20.34] (may be forged)) by smtp01.altohiway.com (8.11.6/8.9.3) with ESMTP id i369t5r01352 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 10:55:05 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] SRWE for OvPro for Windows MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 10:42:48 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,NO_REAL_NAME version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Having now gone some way to converting SRWE to work with OPW I have a few questions. Using tab to move around icons - How do you set which icon is "active" when the window is opened? I assumed it would be icon "1", but it doesn't seem to get highlighted. When you tab to a tick-box icon it doesn't seem to get the little dotted box round it to show it is active. What do I need to do to make this work? Is there any way to force a window to the front? It seems that when SRWE does a replace, the action of writing to the document window brings it to the front covering the SRWE window. It looks like keys like "C_CUp" don't work as before. The "find from start" used this to get to the start of the document. I assume I need something like "C_Home" What is the policy on "close" icons. By default the Temp program doesn't add a Windows close icon. SRWE has a Cancel button that closes the window, but this may not be obvious to Windows users. Some info on your "Custom" icons would be nice ;-) Is there any way to add a margin to them. The custom icons that display the styles could do with a space before the text and it's a faff to add it in the script. Otherwise I now have a version of SRWE that comes pretty close to working with OPW - all it needs is *fx138 and some cosmetic tweaking Andy Ling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Apr 6 16:50:48 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BAoyN-0000vg-Fq-0000xZ."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 16:50:48 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BAoyN-0000vg-Fq; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 11:42:33 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BAoyN-0000vg-Fq; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 11:42:31 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BAoyN-0002hr-MC; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 11:42:31 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BAox4-0000cD-Da; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 12:41:10 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i36Berx18629 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 12:40:53 +0100 Received: from mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (mta05-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.45]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i36BerC18618 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 12:40:53 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from linux.at.home ([81.96.72.154]) by mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20040406113938.GTAF4091.mta05-svc.ntlworld.com@linux.at.home> for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 12:39:38 +0100 Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 12:40:17 +0100 From: John Pettigrew To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Email deleted by AntiSpam Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4c9b14284bsclaes@aaug.net> References: <4c995cb51dmmartin@zetnet.co.uk> <4c9b14284bsclaes@aaug.net> Mail-Followup-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-Organization: XL Cambridge User-Agent: Gemini/1.35 (Qt/3.1.1) (Linux-i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="1758877758--390223301--253930928"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) --1758877758--390223301--253930928 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a previous message, Stefaan Claes wrote: > *gethost quantel-gw.hiway.co.uk > Hostname: quantel-gw.hiway.co.uk > Address: 195.12.20.34 >=20 > Maybe a mailserver that isn't configured correctly? If so, that's why it gets a "may be forged" tag inserted. However, becaus= e there are perfectly good reasons fo a mailserver not to resolve either temporarily or permanently, this should not be taken by itself as proof t= hat an email is spam and to be deleted unread. FWIW, I think that deleting unread is dangerous and should only be done w= hen you're *certain* that the email is spam. John --=20 John Pettigrew Headstrong Games=20 john@headstrong-games.co.uk Fun : Strategy : Price=20 http://www.headstrong-games.co.uk/ Board games that won't break the ban= k=20 Knossos: escape the ever-changing labyrinth before the Minotaur catches y= ou!=20 --1758877758--390223301--253930928 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBAcpcjp6M/P/S/JWgRApFkAJ9zDnyCGz3YLwnCRPpg3x7W1isgKgCfbf1B 7G1+Im9k03/qXamazNKfGjA= =+l5h -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --1758877758--390223301--253930928-- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Apr 6 16:50:53 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BAqIj-0001ui-K4-0001wR."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 16:50:53 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BAqIj-0001ui-K4; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 13:07:39 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BAqIj-0001ui-K4; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 13:07:37 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BAqIi-00031B-Vk; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 13:07:36 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BAqIc-0000NC-6b; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 14:07:30 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i36D7Cw09852 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 14:07:12 +0100 Received: from smtp01.altohiway.com (smtp01.altohiway.com [195.12.4.238]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i36D7BX09845 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 14:07:11 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from websrv.quantel.com (quantel-gw.hiway.co.uk [195.12.20.34] (may be forged)) by smtp01.altohiway.com (8.11.6/8.9.3) with ESMTP id i36D74r02600 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 14:07:08 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] Applet icon states in OPW MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 13:32:26 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,NO_REAL_NAME version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Another query about applets for OvPro on Windows It looks like set_icon_state doesn't behave the same (surprise surprise ;-) In SRWE there are some lines of the form :- set_icon_state(SRWE_window, 5, 1<<22, 0); set_icon_state(SRWE_window, 1, 1<<22, 1<<22); I seem to remember these were to enable and disable various icons depending on whether it was the first search or not. They don't appear to do anything to the windows icons Andy Ling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Apr 6 16:50:55 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BAs79-0004DH-Fr-0004Dt."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 16:50:55 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BAs79-0004DH-Fr; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 15:03:48 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BAs79-0004DH-Fr; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 15:03:47 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BAs79-0001ZO-Ly; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 15:03:47 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BAs70-0003PH-D7; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 16:03:38 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i36F3Uj08120 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 16:03:30 +0100 Received: from mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (mta02-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.42]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i36F3Ru08093 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 16:03:28 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from Iyonix ([80.1.151.118]) by mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20040406150225.BTOK3246.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@Iyonix> for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 16:02:25 +0100 Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 15:03:04 GMT From: To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SparkFS 1.39 crashing the Iyonix Message-ID: References: <0ae7f29a4c.ralph_valmai@ntlworld.com> <4c9affddeblists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> In-Reply-To: <4c9affddeblists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.04) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4c9affddeblists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> Paul Vigay wrote: > In article , > Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch wrote: > > I'm not sure SparkFS (v 1.39) is at fault. I have the same experience, > > especially with large files. On the Iyonix side or the RiscPC side as > > well. That is, all transfer leads to an Error message/window and part (or > > all) of the system not functioning anymore. > > I've never had this problem, but SparkFS can appear to hang the machine for > long periods if you give it huge files. Over the weekend, I copied some > 500M into a single archive and it 'stalled' for ages, so I went away and > had a cup of tea and some biscuits, came back and it had eventually > finished. You are right, Paul. I've just tried it again, and if I do wait for a long enough period, then everything comes to life once more. SparkFS isn't crashing/freezing the Iyonix, it is simply hogging the processsor for ages, totally preventing anything else, apart from mouse pointer movement, from working. Is it worth enquiring why this is happening? Is it a software problem which could be addressed to give improved behaviour? Ralph (sitting here thinking that I know nothing about what might be involved) > -- Ralph Stevens In leafy Epping -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Apr 6 16:50:56 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BAsio-0006ZF-Qy-0006bj."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 16:50:56 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BAsio-0006ZF-Qy; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 15:42:44 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BAsio-0006ZF-Qy; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 15:42:42 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BAsio-000315-5p; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 15:42:42 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BAsik-0002ir-Ag; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 16:42:38 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i36FgVX31426 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 16:42:31 +0100 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.188]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i36FgUj31412 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 16:42:30 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.205] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BAsib-0002f3-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 17:42:29 +0200 Received: from [62.246.37.27] (helo=bach) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BAsia-0007ta-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 17:42:29 +0200 Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 17:41:53 +0200 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SparkFS 1.39 crashing the Iyonix Message-ID: References: <0ae7f29a4c.ralph_valmai@ntlworld.com> <4c9affddeblists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.05) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message ralph_valmai@ntlworld.com wrote: > In message <4c9affddeblists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> > Paul Vigay wrote: > > > In article , > > Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch wrote: > > > I'm not sure SparkFS (v 1.39) is at fault. I have the same experience, > > > especially with large files. On the Iyonix side or the RiscPC side as > > > well. That is, all transfer leads to an Error message/window and part (or > > > all) of the system not functioning anymore. > > > > I've never had this problem, but SparkFS can appear to hang the machine for > > long periods if you give it huge files. Over the weekend, I copied some > > 500M into a single archive and it 'stalled' for ages, so I went away and > > had a cup of tea and some biscuits, came back and it had eventually > > finished. > > You are right, Paul. I've just tried it again, and if I do wait for > a long enough period, then everything comes to life once more. SparkFS > isn't crashing/freezing the Iyonix, it is simply hogging the processsor > for ages, totally preventing anything else, apart from mouse pointer > movement, from working. > > Is it worth enquiring why this is happening? Is it a software problem > which could be addressed to give improved behaviour? Apart from simply making the program faster, there is nothing that can be done. This is the price you pay for it being a filing system. A user-level archiving program can fully multi-task (e.g. InfoZip). Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Apr 6 18:18:28 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BAuAD-0002mK-4X-0002ms."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 18:18:28 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BAuAD-0002mK-4X; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 17:15:06 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BAuAD-0002mK-4X; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 17:15:05 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BAuAD-0001qG-7o; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 17:15:05 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BAuA7-00020v-Jv; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 18:14:59 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i36HEo109174 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 18:14:50 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i36HEmZ09159 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 18:14:49 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BAu9w-0007Cd-0W for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 18:14:48 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 18:13:28 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SparkFS 1.39 crashing the Iyonix References: <0ae7f29a4c.ralph_valmai@ntlworld.com> <4c9affddeblists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Is it worth enquiring why this is happening? Is it a software problem >which could be addressed to give improved behaviour? As Martin says one problem is that SparkFS is a filing system and so can't multitask. The fundamental problem is that you're asking it to carry out a computationally intensive function. In other words a task that requires a lot of work. It would be faster if you had a faster computer. Another get out is to do less work, there is a *command, something like ZipStrength (see the ReadMe) which lets you turn down the amount of compression, this will make things faster, and may not compress things much less. Sometimes if I'm not worried about things taking up less space, I use the SparkFS choices window and select 'no compression'. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Apr 6 18:28:29 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BAuH1-0007TH-Dr-0007Tp."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 18:28:29 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BAuH1-0007TH-Dr; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 17:22:08 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BAuH1-0007TH-Dr; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 17:22:07 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BAuH1-000491-3z; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 17:22:07 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BAuGw-00033b-AW; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 18:22:02 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i36HLYj11646 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 18:21:34 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i36HLX611635 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 18:21:33 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BAuGT-000BFn-0V for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 18:21:33 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 18:20:33 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP2.74 Button bar & default doc References: <58a9799a4c.johnpercy@kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <58a9799a4c.johnpercy@kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >On upgrading to 2.74 from 2.. I have Lost my 3 line button bar. It has gone to >a single line. My default doc margins are also different. How do I copy >the old settings to the new version? >thanks. I'm surprised, the upgrade patch does not overwrite the files which contain these settings. So if you set off from the copy which is configured as you want then it should remain so. The button bar settings are in the Autorun.!Macros file and the default document is in a document called 'Default' inside !OvnPro. Copy those over from an old copy and things should be OK. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Apr 6 18:28:29 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BAuJw-0007mj-RP-0007nN."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 18:28:29 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BAuJw-0007mj-RP; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 17:25:09 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BAuJw-0007mj-RP; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 17:25:08 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BAuJw-0000Kl-8k; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 17:25:08 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BAuJr-0000k4-6R; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 18:25:03 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i36HOwo12814 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 18:24:58 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i36HOvV12809 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 18:24:57 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BAuJl-0001N5-0b for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 18:24:57 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 18:23:42 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Applet icon states in OPW References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >It looks like set_icon_state doesn't behave the same (surprise >surprise ;-) Yep in your copy it does nothing other than refresh the icon. I have fixed that now. But taking up another of your points, such cryptic RISC OS commands are not going to make sense on Windows so I've provided script functions to do the job too. > set_icon_state(SRWE_window, 1, 1<<22, 1<<22); >I seem to remember these were to enable and disable various icons >depending on whether it was the first search or not. Work in my revised copy of OPW. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Apr 6 19:56:39 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BAvbr-0005i2-SH-0005iV."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 19:56:39 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BAvbr-0005i2-SH; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 18:47:44 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BAvbr-0005i2-SH; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 18:47:43 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BAvbr-0001yR-Is; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 18:47:43 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BAvbl-0006Pb-O6; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 19:47:37 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i36Ikdo12760 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 19:46:39 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i36Ikcm12753 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 19:46:38 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BAvao-000K0A-0V for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 19:46:38 +0100 Message-ID: <+3RXzECfkucAFw+Z@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 18:30:07 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro 2.74 Windows References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >It looks like you might have grabbed an old version. The converted >template you've done doesn't have the wildcard stuff in. Um that was on the OP resource site - dunno if I should have gone elsewhere. >> Interesting exercise, clearly there needs to be more documentation. >I've heard that somewhere before. I've produced the 'Applet SDK' (on the web site later tonight). Much more documentation. Doing this didn't much cheer me, getting things right on Windows requires substantial effort expending on a RISC OS applet. Alas a lot of this is just how it is, things work differently on Windows. >Great - so there will be a new release of Temp.exe..... Yes in the SDK. >RiscOS version, then start again. Are you saying that to make >things "conform" I should make "Find" and "Stop" buttons 1 & 2 Yes. >> *fx138. >I assume that will be in the next OPW release. Yes. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Apr 6 20:16:40 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BAw2l-00049n-M6-0004AL."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 20:16:40 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BAw2l-00049n-M6; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 19:15:32 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BAw2l-00049n-M6; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 19:15:31 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BAw2l-0001wG-J0; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 19:15:31 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BAw2h-0004UT-4t; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 20:15:27 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i36JF0B24263 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 20:15:00 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i36JEx624259 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 20:14:59 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BAw2F-000AKN-0b for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 20:14:59 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 20:13:51 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SRWE for OvPro for Windows References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >How do you set which icon is "active" when the window is opened? >I assumed it would be icon "1", but it doesn't seem to get highlighted. tab order is icon front - back order, the order the icons are created in. I think the first icon in that order is given the focus. Note the contrast with RISC OS where the icon number is an index into the creation order. In other words Windows has an extra degree of freedom - the icon number can be anything you like. >When you tab to a tick-box icon it doesn't seem to get the little >dotted box round it to show it is active. What do I need to do >to make this work? I don't think you can do anything... guess are your icons not combined text+buttons? >Is there any way to force a window to the front? It seems that when >SRWE does a replace, the action of writing to the document window >brings it to the front covering the SRWE window. Have a look at an existing Win applet that behaves like you'd like yours to. My guess is that you'll find a lot of messing about is needed with making the window a tool pane and child window and supporting various new Win events. >It looks like keys like "C_CUp" don't work as before. The "find >from start" used this to get to the start of the document. I >assume I need something like "C_Home" Yes. For the most part key strokes now conform to Windows standards. Not too clever that there is no platform independent approach - for some things there are (like deleting in text - deletef macro etc.) but it would be better if available for all functions. >What is the policy on "close" icons. By default the Temp program >doesn't add a Windows close icon. SRWE has a Cancel button that >closes the window, but this may not be obvious to Windows users. In my experience often Windows windows have a close button and a close gadget in the toolbar. I think you'll find that if you want a question mark help gadget you've got to have a close gadget too. >Some info on your "Custom" icons would be nice ;-) Ah well that was in the old document on the website. >Is there any way to add a margin to them. Borders yes. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Apr 6 21:16:42 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BAwrX-0002FM-Hg-0002GH."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 21:16:42 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BAwrX-0002FM-Hg; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 20:08:00 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BAwrX-0002FM-Hg; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 20:07:59 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BAwrX-0004rf-A8; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 20:07:59 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BAwrQ-0001CP-Dy; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 21:07:52 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i36K7kq10565 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 21:07:46 +0100 Received: from smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.7]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i36K7jo10559 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 21:07:45 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from RPC ([82.43.89.67]) by smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Tue, 6 Apr 2004 21:07:46 +0100 Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 21:04:55 +0100 From: Bruce Goatly To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SparkFS 1.39 crashing the Iyonix Message-ID: <7aa68a9b4c%ovation@goatly.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Perfect Page X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b User-Agent: POPstar/2.05 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Apr 2004 20:07:46.0244 (UTC) FILETIME=[D3D95040:01C41C12] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message David Pilling wrote: > As Martin says one problem is that SparkFS is a filing system and so > can't multitask. The fundamental problem is that you're asking it to > carry out a computationally intensive function. > > In other words a task that requires a lot of work. It would be faster if > you had a faster computer. I can't help wondering, though, if it wouldn't make sense to show the hourglass as a warning not to *expect* to be able to do anything else. Or are filing systems not supposed to do this? Bruce -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Apr 6 21:16:43 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BAwsG-00028G-44-00028c."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 21:16:43 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BAwsG-00028G-44; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 20:08:44 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BAwsG-00028G-44; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 20:08:44 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BAwsG-0003lG-2e; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 20:08:44 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BAwrS-0000vE-HE; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 21:07:54 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i36K7ov10605 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 21:07:50 +0100 Received: from cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.174]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i36K7np10594 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 21:07:49 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from modem-2700.wolf.dialup.pol.co.uk ([81.76.138.140] helo=rpc) by cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.14) id 1BAwrM-0003Rr-4Q for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 21:07:48 +0100 Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 20:52:01 +0100 From: Alan Adams To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Email deleted by AntiSpam Message-ID: <3278899b4c.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (MsgServe/2.02) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message you wrote: > > > Actually, looking more closely at the headers, the problem is probably > this > > > header: > > > > > Received: from websrv.quantel.com (quantel-gw.hiway.co.uk > [195.12.20.34] > > > (may be forged)) > > > > *gethost websrv.quantel.com > > Failed to look up "websrv.quantel.com" > > > > websrv.quantel.com is behind our firewall (actually in the middle) > so is not visible to the outside world. I'm told this is deliberate, > fairly common and not likely to change. So your organisatio needs to set up address rewriting as messages pass through the firewall, so that fred.bloggs@websrv.quantel.com is sent from the firewall as fred.bloggs@quantel-gw.hiway.co.uk, and translated back when going inwards. It can be done - my last employer did it in 6 global gateways for upwards of 10000 accounts. Mind you, we weren't using Microsoft software to do it. PMDF did it pretty well. The tricky bit is handling distribution lists, or multiple addressees - you need to translate those internal to your network, but not those external. This can get messy. If you get it wrong, people doing a reply-to-all get a flood of bounces. > > > *gethost quantel-gw.hiway.co.uk > > Hostname: quantel-gw.hiway.co.uk > > Address: 195.12.20.34 > > > > > > Maybe a mailserver that isn't configured correctly? > > > > I guess it depends how you define correct. > > Andy Ling > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message > > Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net -- Alan Adams alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Apr 6 22:06:45 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BAxd5-0005L6-Bw-0005LZ."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 22:06:45 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BAxd5-0005L6-Bw; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 20:57:08 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BAxd5-0005L6-Bw; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 20:57:07 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BAxd5-0003aP-HH; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 20:57:07 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BAxd2-0006tl-65; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 21:57:04 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i36Kuun30884 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 21:56:56 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i36KutY30874 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 21:56:55 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BAxcs-0001Gn-0Y for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 21:56:54 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 21:55:51 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SparkFS 1.39 crashing the Iyonix References: <7aa68a9b4c%ovation@goatly.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <7aa68a9b4c%ovation@goatly.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >I can't help wondering, though, if it wouldn't make sense to show the >hourglass as a warning not to *expect* to be able to do anything else. Or >are filing systems not supposed to do this? Well comment has been along these lines before. But suppose the hourglass did appear - it would have to display a changing percent to convince me at any rate that something was going on. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Apr 6 22:16:46 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BAxml-0001WI-J9-0001Wk."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 22:16:46 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BAxml-0001WI-J9; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 21:07:08 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BAxml-0001WI-J9; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 21:07:07 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BAxml-0005iG-Mf; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 21:07:07 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BAxmh-0002NW-Lb; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 22:07:03 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i36L6w102824 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 22:06:58 +0100 Received: from smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.6]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i36L6vj02818 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 22:06:57 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from RPC ([82.43.89.67]) by smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Tue, 6 Apr 2004 22:06:58 +0100 Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 22:02:32 +0100 From: Bruce Goatly To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SparkFS 1.39 crashing the Iyonix Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Perfect Page X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b User-Agent: POPstar/2.05 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Apr 2004 21:06:58.0657 (UTC) FILETIME=[19408510:01C41C1B] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message David Pilling wrote: > >I can't help wondering, though, if it wouldn't make sense to show the > >hourglass as a warning not to *expect* to be able to do anything else. Or > >are filing systems not supposed to do this? > > Well comment has been along these lines before. But suppose the > hourglass did appear - it would have to display a changing percent to > convince me at any rate that something was going on. This is of course true, and something like this flitted through my mind when I wrote the first comment. So, for the sake of argument, say we have a process that will take 30 minutes; 1% of that is 18 seconds unless my maths deserts me; this is short enough to be useful. But what I don't know (and would be happy to learn) is whether there is any way that SparkFS can calculate meaningful percentages along these lines when compressing enormous files. Then again, there are also the LED bars that can be used to indicate different phases of activity, if that's feasible. Bruce -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Apr 6 22:56:47 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BAyRO-0002wF-Kc-0002wg."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 22:56:47 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BAyRO-0002wF-Kc; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 21:49:07 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BAyRO-0002wF-Kc; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 21:49:06 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BAyRO-0003pG-69; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 21:49:06 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BAyRJ-0007kG-Df; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 22:49:01 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i36Lms417582 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 22:48:54 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i36LmrK17578 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 22:48:53 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BAyRB-000F5G-0V for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 22:48:53 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 22:47:50 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SparkFS 1.39 crashing the Iyonix References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >deserts me; this is short enough to be useful. But what I don't know (and >would be happy to learn) is whether there is any way that SparkFS can >calculate meaningful percentages along these lines when compressing enormous >files. Yes it could show progress through the input data - block by block, but 32K of zeroes is going to be a lot quicker than a 32K block of something more difficult. So the ticks might well not be of equal duration. Traditionally this discussion ends with me referring to Turing's "halting problem", in general you can't know when a calculation will end. In real life though one could do better than the current situation. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Apr 6 23:16:48 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BAyot-0004CA-99-0004D8."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 23:16:48 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BAyot-0004CA-99; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 22:13:24 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BAyot-0004CA-99; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 22:13:23 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BAyot-0000fO-LG; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 22:13:23 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BAyoa-0000Uq-SE; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 23:13:04 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i36MD0a26392 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 23:13:00 +0100 Received: from smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.5]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i36MCxw26387 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 23:12:59 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from RPC ([82.43.89.67]) by smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Tue, 6 Apr 2004 23:13:00 +0100 Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 23:08:36 +0100 From: Bruce Goatly To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SparkFS 1.39 crashing the Iyonix Message-ID: <38f9959b4c%ovation@goatly.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Perfect Page X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b User-Agent: POPstar/2.05 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Apr 2004 22:13:00.0237 (UTC) FILETIME=[5289A7D0:01C41C24] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message David Pilling wrote: > Yes it could show progress through the input data - block by block, but > 32K of zeroes is going to be a lot quicker than a 32K block of something > more difficult. So the ticks might well not be of equal duration. Which is the sort of problem I was thinking of. But if the ticks were taken to represent quantity of data rather than duration, they would still be meaningful - for some value of meaning, anyway. > Traditionally this discussion ends with me referring to Turing's > "halting problem", in general you can't know when a calculation will > end. In real life though one could do better than the current situation. The moral is clear: next time you're bored, have a go at outflanking Turing! Bruce -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Apr 6 23:56:50 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BAzMC-0007Yw-Ql-0007ZK."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 23:56:50 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BAzMC-0007Yw-Ql; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 22:47:49 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BAzMC-0007Yw-Ql; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 22:47:48 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BAzMC-0004E8-2h; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 22:47:48 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BAzM8-000557-E6; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 23:47:44 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i36Mlbh05753 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 23:47:37 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i36MlbW05750 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 23:47:37 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BAzM0-00099K-0Y for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 23:47:36 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 23:46:27 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro 2.74 Windows References: <77fa9a944c.polak@nararch.nlr.nl> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Unfortunately, this no longer seems to run under Wine on linux (unhandled >exception error). I'm sorry to hear that. I'd really like it to work under Wine and I will make an effort when it is finished. Trouble is I have to change and fix things at such a rate, I've no idea what the new problem could be. I'd be interested if there is any other info on the crash. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Apr 7 01:57:00 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BB1IN-00027H-Cg-00027k."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 01:57:00 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BB1IN-00027H-Cg; Wed, 07 Apr 2004 00:52:00 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BB1IN-00027H-Cg; Wed, 07 Apr 2004 00:51:59 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BB1IN-0004n5-Ow; Wed, 07 Apr 2004 00:51:59 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BB1IL-0003eW-2L; Wed, 07 Apr 2004 01:51:57 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i370poU03593 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 01:51:50 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i370pnv03578 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 01:51:49 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BB1IC-000Oue-0Y for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 07 Apr 2004 01:51:48 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 01:50:30 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro Windows Applet SDK References: <77fa9a944c.polak@nararch.nlr.nl> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, A new software development kit for those wanting to write applets for the Windows version of Ovation Pro is available from; http://pilling.users.netlink.co.uk/ovationpro/appletsdk.zip -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Apr 7 13:49:10 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BB9Cj-0005yZ-MK-000604."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 13:49:10 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BB9Cj-0005yZ-MK; Wed, 07 Apr 2004 09:18:43 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BB9Cj-0005yZ-MK; Wed, 07 Apr 2004 09:18:41 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BB9Cj-0000Du-N2; Wed, 07 Apr 2004 09:18:41 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BB9Cc-0007Uy-Tg; Wed, 07 Apr 2004 10:18:34 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i379IEc03167 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 10:18:14 +0100 Received: from smtp01.altohiway.com (smtp01.altohiway.com [195.12.4.238]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i379IEu03162 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 10:18:14 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from websrv.quantel.com (quantel-gw.hiway.co.uk [195.12.20.34] (may be forged)) by smtp01.altohiway.com (8.11.6/8.9.3) with ESMTP id i379IBr05664 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 10:18:11 +0100 In-Reply-To: To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SRWE for OvPro for Windows MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 10:18:02 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > >How do you set which icon is "active" when the window is opened? > >I assumed it would be icon "1", but it doesn't seem to get highlighted. > > tab order is icon front - back order, the order the icons are created > in. I think the first icon in that order is given the focus. > But as the icons are created by Temp.exe I don't have any control over the order. Is there any way of changing this later? Presumably changing the icon numbering in RiscOS land and re-running Temp.exe will go some way, but it would be nice to not have to do this. > >When you tab to a tick-box icon it doesn't seem to get the little > >dotted box round it to show it is active. What do I need to do > >to make this work? > > I don't think you can do anything... guess are your icons not combined > text+buttons? > They are whatever icons were created by Temp.exe. I think they are just "check box" icons - the text associated with them is a separate icon > >Is there any way to force a window to the front? It seems that when > >SRWE does a replace, the action of writing to the document window > >brings it to the front covering the SRWE window. > > Have a look at an existing Win applet that behaves like you'd like yours > to. I will try and shout when I get stuck. > >What is the policy on "close" icons. By default the Temp program > >doesn't add a Windows close icon. SRWE has a Cancel button that > >closes the window, but this may not be obvious to Windows users. > > In my experience often Windows windows have a close button and a close > gadget in the toolbar. I think you'll find that if you want a question > mark help gadget you've got to have a close gadget too. > So, do whatever I like ;-) > >Some info on your "Custom" icons would be nice ;-) > > Ah well that was in the old document on the website. > Which now appears to be in the new SDK. I will play some more Another thing I have noticed - clicking on help from the applet manager brings up a OPW window with the help file in it. This is fine, but when you close this window it moans about it being unsaved. I understand why (as you have just imported the .txt file into a default document), but I cannot see this being accepted by the wider world. Thanks for the help Andy Ling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Apr 7 13:49:14 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BB9VX-0005ne-4s-0005ox."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 13:49:14 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BB9VX-0005ne-4s; Wed, 07 Apr 2004 09:38:08 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BB9VX-0005ne-4s; Wed, 07 Apr 2004 09:38:07 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BB9VX-00056m-BG; Wed, 07 Apr 2004 09:38:07 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BB9VR-0003GK-2z; Wed, 07 Apr 2004 10:38:01 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i379bqo12807 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 10:37:52 +0100 Received: from smtp01.altohiway.com (smtp01.altohiway.com [195.12.4.238]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i379bqd12802 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 10:37:52 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from websrv.quantel.com (quantel-gw.hiway.co.uk [195.12.20.34] (may be forged)) by smtp01.altohiway.com (8.11.6/8.9.3) with ESMTP id i379bnr15614 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 10:37:49 +0100 In-Reply-To: <+3RXzECfkucAFw+Z@pilling.demon.co.uk> To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro 2.74 Windows MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 10:37:43 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > >It looks like you might have grabbed an old version. The converted > >template you've done doesn't have the wildcard stuff in. > > Um that was on the OP resource site - dunno if I should have gone > elsewhere. > Well, I thought that was the latest version, but checking the site it seems to be an old one. The latest I have is 0.03. I guess something has got lost somewhere. > Doing this didn't much cheer me, getting things right on Windows > requires substantial effort expending on a RISC OS applet. Alas a lot of > this is just how it is, things work differently on Windows. > I am coming to the conclusion that I will modify !SRWE to work with windows and then maintain two versions. So I think if it is going to make your life much easier, it is reasonable for you to say - "if you want this then change to code to look like this" People actually want slightly different behaviour in the two environments, so I don't think it is too unreasonable to make applet writers do a bit of work for some of the "fancier" facilities. I reckon you've done a pretty amazing job to get it as compatible as it is. It would be a shame to limit future possibilities just for compatibility with RiscOS Andy Ling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Apr 7 13:49:15 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BB9XF-00050C-Ku-00051B."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 13:49:15 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BB9XF-00050C-Ku; Wed, 07 Apr 2004 09:39:54 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BB9XF-00050C-Ku; Wed, 07 Apr 2004 09:39:53 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BB9XF-0002bD-AI; Wed, 07 Apr 2004 09:39:53 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BB9X1-000211-Ge; Wed, 07 Apr 2004 10:39:39 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i379daK13640 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 10:39:36 +0100 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.185]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i379daw13635 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 10:39:36 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.208] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BB9Wx-0004tR-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 07 Apr 2004 11:39:35 +0200 Received: from [62.246.18.18] (helo=bach) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BB9Ww-0004Ep-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 07 Apr 2004 11:39:35 +0200 Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 11:39:04 +0200 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SparkFS 1.39 crashing the Iyonix Message-ID: <0030d59b4c.martin@mw-software.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.05) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message David Pilling wrote: > > deserts me; this is short enough to be useful. But what I don't know > > (and would be happy to learn) is whether there is any way that SparkFS > > can calculate meaningful percentages along these lines when > > compressing enormous files. > > Yes it could show progress through the input data - block by block, but > 32K of zeroes is going to be a lot quicker than a 32K block of something > more difficult. So the ticks might well not be of equal duration. That is not that important. I think the percentage of how much of the input data has been consumed would be highly informative. > Traditionally this discussion ends with me referring to Turing's > "halting problem", in general you can't know when a calculation will > end. In real life though one could do better than the current situation. Sorry to be pedantic, but the Halting problem is a bit different. It is about the fact that it is impossible to code an algorithm that, when presented with a program (in a suitable code) finds out whether the program will halt *at all* on a given input/all inputs/any input (all these problems are equally difficult). Of course, you know (or hope ;-)) that your compression algorithm always halts on all inputs. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Apr 7 14:28:57 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BBCyo-0007Xp-Sa-0007YW."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 14:28:57 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BBCyo-0007Xp-Sa; Wed, 07 Apr 2004 13:20:35 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BBCyo-0007Xp-Sa; Wed, 07 Apr 2004 13:20:34 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BBCyo-00067Z-Lc; Wed, 07 Apr 2004 13:20:34 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BBCxr-0008B8-7P; Wed, 07 Apr 2004 14:19:35 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i37DJI406572 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 14:19:18 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i37DJHj06565 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 14:19:18 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BBCxZ-0004wV-0b for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 07 Apr 2004 14:19:17 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 14:17:45 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SRWE for OvPro for Windows References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >But as the icons are created by Temp.exe I don't have any control >over the order. Is there any way of changing this later? MS VC has under Layout -> Tab order (when a template is being edited) - there has to be a simple way, because every dialogue box in Windows should have a designed tab order. (and no I've not done them yet for the main program) Plan B would be to load the .rc file into a text editor and just shift the icon definitions around. (they are in creation order in an .rc file) >They are whatever icons were created by Temp.exe. I think they are just >"check box" icons - the text associated with them is a separate icon I guess it does this if they were separate originally - which is not good practice on RISC OS. >Another thing I have noticed - clicking on help from the applet >manager brings up a OPW window with the help file in it. This is >fine, but when you close this window it moans about it being >unsaved. I understand why (as you have just imported the .txt >file into a default document), but I cannot see this being >accepted by the wider world. Probably true. One answer is to make your help file an OP document. I think that is my preferred option. At the moment the help files are a mess - talking about the RISC OS versions, I'll do a sweep through them. I'm thinking of a standard layout. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Apr 7 14:48:57 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BBDMa-0000ip-Qs-0000jN."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 14:48:57 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BBDMa-0000ip-Qs; Wed, 07 Apr 2004 13:45:09 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BBDMa-0000ip-Qs; Wed, 07 Apr 2004 13:45:08 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BBDMa-0002uf-1z; Wed, 07 Apr 2004 13:45:08 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BBDMW-00007j-MX; Wed, 07 Apr 2004 14:45:04 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i37DiuC19022 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 14:44:56 +0100 Received: from smtp01.altohiway.com (smtp01.altohiway.com [195.12.4.238]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i37Ditl19017 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 14:44:55 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from websrv.quantel.com (quantel-gw.hiway.co.uk [195.12.20.34] (may be forged)) by smtp01.altohiway.com (8.11.6/8.9.3) with ESMTP id i37Dipr06167 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 14:44:51 +0100 In-Reply-To: To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SRWE for OvPro for Windows MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 14:44:47 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > >But as the icons are created by Temp.exe I don't have any control > >over the order. Is there any way of changing this later? > > MS VC has under Layout -> Tab order (when a template is being edited) - > there has to be a simple way, because every dialogue box in Windows > should have a designed tab order. > OK I've found that. It still doesn't seem to select icon 1 the first time you hit Tab, but the order from then on is as expected. > >They are whatever icons were created by Temp.exe. I think they are just > >"check box" icons - the text associated with them is a separate icon > > I guess it does this if they were separate originally - which is not > good practice on RISC OS. > Yes, I've sorted that now. Actually my later version of the template had changed them to single icons. So my excuse is it was the code I had inherited from Stephen Brown. > At the moment the help files are a mess - talking about the RISC OS > versions, I'll do a sweep through them. I'm thinking of a standard > layout. > While you're there, adding the "Bubble help" type stuff for Windows would be nice ;-) Andy Ling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Apr 7 17:49:06 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BBG7q-0007AH-Cx-0007BC."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 17:49:06 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BBG7q-0007AH-Cx; Wed, 07 Apr 2004 16:42:07 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BBG7q-0007AH-Cx; Wed, 07 Apr 2004 16:42:06 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BBG7p-00072G-RJ; Wed, 07 Apr 2004 16:42:05 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BBG7m-0002ff-DT; Wed, 07 Apr 2004 17:42:02 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i37Gfou13088 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 17:41:50 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i37Gfnw13081 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 17:41:49 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BBG7Y-000F46-0b for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 07 Apr 2004 17:41:49 +0100 Message-ID: <+rTXUkDQ8CdAFw3r@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 17:40:48 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SRWE for OvPro for Windows References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >While you're there, adding the "Bubble help" type stuff for Windows >would be nice ;-) I feel that question mark help - shift + F1 is probably more useful, tool tips which are the ones that just appear end up getting in the way. But I can imagine tool tips are more helpful to completely new users. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Apr 7 18:19:08 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BBGgB-0000w2-LV-0000wX."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 18:19:08 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BBGgB-0000w2-LV; Wed, 07 Apr 2004 17:17:36 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BBGgB-0000w2-LV; Wed, 07 Apr 2004 17:17:35 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BBGgB-0005xi-G1; Wed, 07 Apr 2004 17:17:35 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BBGg1-0000AK-QW; Wed, 07 Apr 2004 18:17:25 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i37HHFQ28001 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 18:17:15 +0100 Received: from cmailm2.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailm2.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.210]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i37HHEE27997 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 18:17:14 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from modem-242.zinc.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.29.242] helo=kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailm2.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.14) id 1BBGfp-000874-9u for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 07 Apr 2004 18:17:13 +0100 Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 18:50:47 +0100 From: John To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP2.74 Button bar & default doc Message-ID: <955e7e9b4c.johnpercy@kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/4.03) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,DATE_IN_PAST_12_24,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION, IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message you wrote: > On Sun 04 Apr, John wrote: > > > > On upgrading to 2.74 from 2.. I have Lost my 3 line button bar. It has gone to > > a single line. My default doc margins are also different. How do I copy the old settin > > gs to the new version? > > thanks. > > > Do you have a backup of your 2.74? > > > JohnvV > I have a back up of 2.. (oops typo = 2.73) from which i upgraded. It is OK thanks -- J.P. Kerslake B.Sc., F.B.I.S. Dyslexia Rules KO. Pager 07626 - 235878, "phone" 01248-353264. e-mail Home=johnpercyNOSPAM@kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk, (remove NOSPAM) Riscstation Lite+. Risc OS 4.03 boot 1.03. Messenger Pro. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Apr 7 21:19:17 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BBJVx-0004rU-QT-0004s1."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 21:19:17 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BBJVx-0004rU-QT; Wed, 07 Apr 2004 20:19:13 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BBJVx-0004rU-QT; Wed, 07 Apr 2004 20:19:13 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BBJVw-0004rI-W5; Wed, 07 Apr 2004 20:19:13 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BBJVp-0002a4-Qn; Wed, 07 Apr 2004 21:19:05 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i37KItk30336 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 21:18:55 +0100 Received: from cmailm3.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailm3.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.19]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i37KIrD30321 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 21:18:54 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from modem-44.palladium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.38.172] helo=kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailm3.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.14) id 1BBJVc-0006w5-UM for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 07 Apr 2004 21:18:53 +0100 Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 18:51:01 +0100 From: John To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP2.74 Button bar & default doc Message-ID: <353a029c4c.johnpercy@kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk> References: <58a9799a4c.johnpercy@kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/4.03) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message you wrote: > >On upgrading to 2.74 from 2.. I have Lost my 3 line button bar. It has gone to > >a single line. My default doc margins are also different. How do I copy > >the old settings to the new version? > >thanks. > > I'm surprised, the upgrade patch does not overwrite the files which > contain these settings. So if you set off from the copy which is > configured as you want then it should remain so. > > The button bar settings are in the Autorun.!Macros file and the default > document is in a document called 'Default' inside !OvnPro. Copy those > over from an old copy and things should be OK. > > Thanks all fixed. -- J.P. Kerslake B.Sc., F.B.I.S. Dyslexia Rules KO. Pager 07626 - 235878, "phone" 01248-353264. e-mail Home=johnpercyNOSPAM@kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk, (remove NOSPAM) Riscstation Lite+. Risc OS 4.03 boot 1.03. Messenger Pro. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Apr 8 13:54:36 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BBYyj-0002MO-SW-0002NU."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 13:54:36 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BBYyj-0002MO-SW; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 12:49:59 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BBYyj-0002MO-SW; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 12:49:57 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BBYyj-0002z6-LV; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 12:49:57 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BBYyc-0008Q2-Tt; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 13:49:50 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i38CnQF15779 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 13:49:26 +0100 Received: from smtp01.altohiway.com (smtp01.altohiway.com [195.12.4.238]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i38CnPN15775 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 13:49:25 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from websrv.quantel.com (quantel-gw.hiway.co.uk [195.12.20.34] (may be forged)) by smtp01.altohiway.com (8.11.6/8.9.3) with ESMTP id i38CnLr15644 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 13:49:21 +0100 In-Reply-To: <+rTXUkDQ8CdAFw3r@pilling.demon.co.uk> To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SRWE for OvPro for Windows MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 13:49:10 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_20,IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > >While you're there, adding the "Bubble help" type stuff for Windows > >would be nice ;-) > > I feel that question mark help - shift + F1 is probably more useful, > tool tips which are the ones that just appear end up getting in the way. > But I can imagine tool tips are more helpful to completely new users. > I tend to disagree, but it is a personal thing. I guess it is mainly for programs I don't use every day, but it is nice to just have a few word reminder of what an icon does without having to press extra buttons. At the end of the day, you will have to do it or you will be slated by all the hardened Windows users, but you will of course have to provide a button to turn them off (the popups that is not the Windows users ;-) Andy Ling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Apr 8 17:24:47 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BBcD7-0005Fr-9k-0005Gs."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 17:24:47 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BBcD7-0005Fr-9k; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 16:17:02 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BBcD7-0005Fr-9k; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 16:17:01 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BBcD6-0001mM-RN; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 16:17:00 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BBcCw-0004jA-5E; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 17:16:50 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i38GGaf30719 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 17:16:36 +0100 Received: from smtp01.altohiway.com (smtp01.altohiway.com [195.12.4.238]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i38GGZw30712 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 17:16:35 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from websrv.quantel.com (quantel-gw.hiway.co.uk [195.12.20.34] (may be forged)) by smtp01.altohiway.com (8.11.6/8.9.3) with ESMTP id i38GGVr18036 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 17:16:31 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] Saving choices in OvPro for Windows MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 16:47:38 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,NO_REAL_NAME version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I have just noticed a problem which I think occurred after I had been fiddling with the choices in OvPro for windows. After having saved the choices I could no longer get the Colour palette or style palette to appear. The only way I could find to recover them was to delete all the Choices files in "Documents and Settings". Having had a quick look in them before deleting, there appeared to be some rather large numbers in what I assume to be window positions. I'm not sure of the exact sequence of events, but one thing that may cause a problem is a "virtual desktop" program I use. This changes desktop by somehow forcing windows to minimise to the task bar and I have known it to cause problems with some child windows in the past. (I can provide a copy of this program if required) Andy Ling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Apr 9 13:54:21 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BBvF2-0006Qg-QR-0006RI."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 9 Apr 2004 13:54:21 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BBvF2-0006Qg-QR; Fri, 09 Apr 2004 12:36:17 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BBvF2-0006Qg-QR; Fri, 09 Apr 2004 12:36:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BBvF1-00067o-VW; Fri, 09 Apr 2004 12:36:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BBvEu-0007P3-Jw; Fri, 09 Apr 2004 13:36:08 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i39CZqo32705 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 9 Apr 2004 13:35:52 +0100 Received: from imo-m14.mx.aol.com (imo-m14.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.204]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i39CZqZ32701 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 2004 13:35:52 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from Tomhopley@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r1.2.) id 3.131.2c491183 (4592) for ; Fri, 9 Apr 2004 08:35:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Message-ID: <131.2c491183.2da7f2a2@aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 08:35:46 EDT Subject: [softwarelist] Perpetual Error Box in OvPro2.74 - WindowsXP To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_131.2c491183.2da7f2a2_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10502 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_20,HTML_00_10,HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TAG_BALANCE_HTML, MIME_LONG_LINE_QP,NO_REAL_NAME version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) --part1_131.2c491183.2da7f2a2_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks to David for bringing OvPro to Windows. It's nice to have a Windows App that does what I want it to do, rather than what it thinks it should do. One minor problem, though - Make a box and drag in an LZW compressed TIFF. OP quite rightly complains about unrecognised tags, then gives the error box "LZW compressed Tiffs support not configured." When this box is OK'd or Cancelled it immediately reappears ad infinitum. Only the Windows 3-fingered salute will close it. Of course, uncompressed TIFFs and even JPEGs are fine. An even more minor point - not really a problem. With a two monitor set up, an OvPro document can be moved from screen to screen OK, but the attached tool boxes at Left and Bottom of the document refuse to follow; they remain on screen 1. (A "feature" shared with eg Nikon's scanning software) In OvPro the boxes can be unattached in Choices and then they *can* be manually moved across to screen 2. Re-attaching just pushes them back onto screen 1. TomH --part1_131.2c491183.2da7f2a2_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks to David for bringing OvPro=20= to Windows.
It's nice to have a Windows App that does what I want it to do, rather than=20= what it thinks it should do.

One minor problem, though - Make a box and drag in an LZW compressed TIFF. OP quite rightly complains about unrecognised tags, then gives the error box= "LZW compressed Tiffs support not configured."
When this box is OK'd or Cancelled it immediately reappears ad infinitum. Only the Windows 3-fingered salute will close it.
Of course, uncompressed TIFFs and even JPEGs are fine.

An even more minor point - not really a problem.
With a two monitor set up, an OvPro document can be moved from screen to scr= een OK, but the attached tool boxes at Left and Bottom of the document refus= e to follow; they remain on screen 1.
(A "feature" shared with eg Nikon's scanning software)
In OvPro the boxes can be unattached in Choices and then they *can* be manua= lly moved across to screen 2.
Re-attaching just pushes them back onto screen 1.

TomH
--part1_131.2c491183.2da7f2a2_boundary-- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Apr 9 13:54:24 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BBvLb-0000Qr-Lp-0000RM."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 9 Apr 2004 13:54:24 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BBvLb-0000Qr-Lp; Fri, 09 Apr 2004 12:43:04 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BBvLb-0000Qr-Lp; Fri, 09 Apr 2004 12:43:03 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BBvLb-0002nN-Gd; Fri, 09 Apr 2004 12:43:03 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BBvL5-0008Kv-LM; Fri, 09 Apr 2004 13:42:31 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i39CgN203188 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 9 Apr 2004 13:42:23 +0100 Received: from cmailm3.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailm3.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.19]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i39CgMn03181 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 2004 13:42:22 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from modem-108.arsenic.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.32.108] helo=localhost.com) by cmailm3.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1BBvKt-0002Dg-27 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 09 Apr 2004 13:42:19 +0100 Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2004 13:45:23 +0100 From: Noel Williams To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] SparkFS 1.39 crashing RiscPC Message-ID: References: <0ae7f29a4c.ralph_valmai@ntlworld.com> <4c9affddeblists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,RCVD_FAKE_HELO_DOTCOM_2,REFERENCES, SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I have always used SparkFS as my program of choice for decompressing files downloaded from the internet. Ever since I fitted extra RAM to my SA RiscPC (I now have 256Mb) I have had problems with my machine completely freezing, and requiring a restart. This happens about 20 percent of the time, when I try to decompress a file while still on line. This didn't happen previously. Using RISC OS 4.02, with Messenger Pro & WebsterXL. Might this be a memory related problem rather than an Iyonix specific one? -- Noel Williams -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Apr 9 14:14:04 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BBvhD-0002u4-Jw-0002ud."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 9 Apr 2004 14:14:04 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BBvhD-0002u4-Jw; Fri, 09 Apr 2004 13:05:24 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BBvhD-0002u4-Jw; Fri, 09 Apr 2004 13:05:23 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BBvhC-0001jU-Vj; Fri, 09 Apr 2004 13:05:22 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BBvhA-0005WE-I5; Fri, 09 Apr 2004 14:05:20 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i39D5B815566 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 9 Apr 2004 14:05:11 +0100 Received: from mta04-svc.ntlworld.com (mta04-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.44]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i39D5Al15557 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 2004 14:05:10 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from linux.at.home ([81.96.72.154]) by mta04-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20040409130447.KEFD1202.mta04-svc.ntlworld.com@linux.at.home> for ; Fri, 9 Apr 2004 14:04:47 +0100 Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 14:05:05 +0100 From: John Pettigrew To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro 2.74 Windows Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <77fa9a944c.polak@nararch.nlr.nl> Mail-Followup-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-Organization: XL Cambridge User-Agent: Gemini/1.35 (Qt/3.1.1) (Linux-i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="1758178004--737046447--1807236158"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) --1758178004--737046447--1807236158 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a previous message, David Pilling wrote: > > Unfortunately, this no longer seems to run under Wine on linux (unhan= dled > > exception error). >=20 > I'm sorry to hear that. I'd really like it to work under Wine and I wil= l > make an effort when it is finished. Trouble is I have to change and fix= > things at such a rate, I've no idea what the new problem could be. Fair enough - I was pleased that it had worked at all in the first place = :-) > I'd be interested if there is any other info on the crash. I'll try and ferret out some more info if I can. John --=20 John Pettigrew Headstrong Games=20 john@headstrong-games.co.uk Fun : Strategy : Price=20 http://www.headstrong-games.co.uk/ Board games that won't break the ban= k=20 Fields of Valour: 2 Norse clans battle on one of 3 different boards --1758178004--737046447--1807236158 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBAdp+Fp6M/P/S/JWgRAsrfAJwP5cK5xa/aDM6rWs/L3zL8hCbheQCfdWpo OBVowxrLZ+MU1Q8Z5FVnrzM= =BhYw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --1758178004--737046447--1807236158-- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Apr 9 14:14:04 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BBvir-0000Fi-6P-0000GE."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 9 Apr 2004 14:14:04 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BBvir-0000Fi-6P; Fri, 09 Apr 2004 13:07:06 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BBvir-0000Fi-6P; Fri, 09 Apr 2004 13:07:05 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BBvir-0004L1-Pc; Fri, 09 Apr 2004 13:07:05 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BBvin-0007Db-Fi; Fri, 09 Apr 2004 14:07:01 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i39D6rm16152 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 9 Apr 2004 14:06:53 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i39D6rP16148 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 2004 14:06:53 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BBvie-0003xf-0V for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 09 Apr 2004 14:06:52 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 14:05:23 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Perpetual Error Box in OvPro2.74 - WindowsXP References: <131.2c491183.2da7f2a2@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <131.2c491183.2da7f2a2@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >OP quite rightly complains about unrecognised tags, then gives the error box >"LZW compressed Tiffs support not configured." Yes, this is not very good, in fact if you press escape for long enough you can escape from it. A solution will appear soon. >With a two monitor set up, an OvPro document can be moved from screen to >screen OK, but the attached tool boxes at Left and Bottom of the document >refuse to follow; they remain on screen 1. >(A "feature" shared with eg Nikon's scanning software) >In OvPro the boxes can be unattached in Choices and then they *can* be >manually moved across to screen 2. That's interesting. I suspected that two screen systems might cause problems. By default OPW is configured to force the toolbox and info pal on screen. By using the script language it is possible to change this. That would probably get you out of this problem, but it raises another problem of the toolboxes never endingly getting lost off screen. Just for the record, more than expecting anyone to try it, the correct documentation is shown below. viewchoices2() void viewchoices2(int toolboxattached, int toolboxx, int toolboxy, int infopalattached, int infopalx, int infopaly); Controls the View choices on the Choices dialogue box (see 15.6 in the Reference Guide). If toolboxattached bit 0 is set, Attach toolbox is selected, and parameters toolboxx and toolboxy specify the absolute screen position of the toolbox. If bit 1 is set the toolbox is allowed off screen. If infopalattached bit 0 is set, Attach info palette is selected, and parameters infopalx and infopaly specify the absolute screen position of the info palette. If bit 1 is set the info palette is allowed off screen. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Apr 9 14:24:04 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BBvq1-00074e-Ly-00075D."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 9 Apr 2004 14:24:04 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BBvq1-00074e-Ly; Fri, 09 Apr 2004 13:14:30 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BBvq1-00074e-Ly; Fri, 09 Apr 2004 13:14:29 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BBvq1-00077h-KR; Fri, 09 Apr 2004 13:14:29 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BBvpw-0003iT-MI; Fri, 09 Apr 2004 14:14:24 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i39DEI819294 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 9 Apr 2004 14:14:18 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i39DEIU19289 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 2004 14:14:18 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BBvpp-000Gy3-0b for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 09 Apr 2004 14:14:17 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 14:13:11 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SparkFS 1.39 crashing RiscPC References: <0ae7f29a4c.ralph_valmai@ntlworld.com> <4c9affddeblists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >I have always used SparkFS as my program of choice for decompressing files >downloaded from the internet. Ever since I fitted extra RAM to my SA RiscPC >(I now have 256Mb) I have had problems with my machine completely freezing, >and requiring a restart. This happens about 20 percent of the time, when I try >to decompress a file while still on line. This didn't happen previously. Using >RISC OS 4.02, with Messenger Pro & WebsterXL. >Might this be a memory related problem rather than an Iyonix specific one? Presumably you don't have an Iyonix, therefore you can't have an Iyonix specific problem... I think what you may mean are the problems caused on Iyonix by having large amounts of memory - things like top bit memory addresses. Well those problems can occur on older versions of RISC OS. It is more difficult to get into such situations, but only because old machines usually have a lot less memory. I'd expect RISC OS 4.XX to have more top bit memory problems than 5.XX. Explaining your problem is rather difficult. I'd guess RISC PC's with that much memory are rare, so you're in rarely visited territory on both hardware and software. So could be hardware, could be software, might even be that you've just happened to get some corrupt downloads. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Apr 9 14:34:09 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BBw23-0006TJ-Py-0006Th."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 9 Apr 2004 14:34:09 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BBw23-0006TJ-Py; Fri, 09 Apr 2004 13:26:55 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BBw23-0006TJ-Py; Fri, 09 Apr 2004 13:26:55 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BBw22-0004If-SS; Fri, 09 Apr 2004 13:26:54 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BBw1v-0001LA-73; Fri, 09 Apr 2004 14:26:47 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i39DQe524336 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 9 Apr 2004 14:26:40 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i39DQee24332 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 2004 14:26:40 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from vigay.demon.co.uk ([80.177.103.19] helo=anonymous) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BBw1n-000Kpr-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 09 Apr 2004 14:26:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Vigay To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2004 14:27:04 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SparkFS 1.39 crashing RiscPC Message-ID: <4c9cf1bbf9lists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> In-Reply-To: References: <0ae7f29a4c.ralph_valmai@ntlworld.com> <4c9affddeblists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.05) POPstar/2.05 X-No-Archive: Yes Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , Noel Williams wrote: > I have always used SparkFS as my program of choice for decompressing > files downloaded from the internet. Ever since I fitted extra RAM to my > SA RiscPC (I now have 256Mb) I have had problems with my machine > completely freezing, and requiring a restart. This happens about 20 > percent of the time, when I try to decompress a file while still on line. > This didn't happen previously. Using RISC OS 4.02, with Messenger Pro & > WebsterXL. > Might this be a memory related problem rather than an Iyonix specific one? Just to add my tuppence worth, I use SparkFS (v1.39) extensively, both on RISC OS 4.39 (Kinetic RPC with 192M memory) and with RISC OS 5.03 (Iyonix 512MB memory) and I've not encountered any of the problems you describe. How long have you left the machine before restarting? How big is the archive you're compressing/decompressing? -- Paul Vigay __\\|//__ Life, (` o-o ') the Universe http://www.vigay.com -----ooO-(_)-Ooo------ & Everything ------ On the other hand, you have different fingers. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Apr 9 15:14:07 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BBwiA-00069p-Dq-0006AC."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 9 Apr 2004 15:14:07 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BBwiA-00069p-Dq; Fri, 09 Apr 2004 14:10:26 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BBwiA-00069p-Dq; Fri, 09 Apr 2004 14:10:26 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BBwiA-0005lu-3F; Fri, 09 Apr 2004 14:10:26 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BBwi6-0004vT-Qw; Fri, 09 Apr 2004 15:10:22 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i39EAG408366 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 9 Apr 2004 15:10:16 +0100 Received: from smtp.aaisp.net.uk (painless.aaisp.net.uk [217.169.20.17]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i39EAFb08359 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 2004 15:10:15 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [81.2.115.178] (helo=ghc) by smtp.aaisp.net.uk with smtp (Exim 4.22) id 1BBwhy-0005gr-VZ for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 09 Apr 2004 15:10:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Gavin Crawford To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2004 15:10:19 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Perpetual Error Box in OvPro2.74 - WindowsXP Message-ID: <4c9cf5b1a7gav@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <131.2c491183.2da7f2a2@aol.com> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , David Pilling wrote: > Just for the record, more than expecting anyone to try it, the > correct documentation is shown below. > viewchoices2() > void viewchoices2(int toolboxattached, int toolboxx, > int toolboxy, int infopalattached, int infopalx, int infopaly); > Controls the View choices on the Choices dialogue box (see 15.6 in > the Reference Guide). > If toolboxattached bit 0 is set, Attach toolbox is selected, and > parameters toolboxx and toolboxy specify the absolute screen position > of the toolbox. If bit 1 is set the toolbox is allowed off screen. > If infopalattached bit 0 is set, Attach info palette is selected, and > parameters infopalx and infopaly specify the absolute screen position > of the info palette. If bit 1 is set the info palette is allowed off > screen. In that case David, the Script Language Reference Guide is incorrect, in that it doesn't describe the meanings for bit 1 being set in toolboxattached and infopalattached. It only describes their use when non-zero. Searching through the OP history changes I can see that viewchoices2() was changed in OP 2.28 which was before I created the StrongHelp version from the Script Ref Guide 1.03. I'll amend the StrongHelp version accordingly when I get chance, and I will announce it here when it's available for download. David, you may want to check the OP document version reads correctly, so it's correct for the next print run - shall we say another 500,000 copies ;-) -- Gavin Crawford email: gav@crawford-print.co.uk web: www.crawford-print.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Apr 9 17:24:13 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BByhD-0007PF-A9-0007Pp."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 9 Apr 2004 17:24:13 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BByhD-0007PF-A9; Fri, 09 Apr 2004 16:17:36 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BByhD-0007PF-A9; Fri, 09 Apr 2004 16:17:35 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BByhC-0003i7-Uy; Fri, 09 Apr 2004 16:17:34 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BByh4-0006c8-Ml; Fri, 09 Apr 2004 17:17:26 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i39GHEd28083 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 9 Apr 2004 17:17:14 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i39GHEG28079 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 2004 17:17:14 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BBygr-000MiA-0X for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 09 Apr 2004 17:17:13 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 17:16:00 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Perpetual Error Box in OvPro2.74 - WindowsXP References: <131.2c491183.2da7f2a2@aol.com> <4c9cf5b1a7gav@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4c9cf5b1a7gav@crawford-print.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >In that case David, the Script Language Reference Guide is incorrect, in >that it doesn't describe the meanings for bit 1 being set in >toolboxattached and infopalattached. It only describes their use when >non-zero. Yes, it is out of date. >David, you may want to check the OP document version reads correctly, >so it's correct for the next print run - shall we say another 500,000 >copies ;-) Small number for Windows software. I have to say my ring bound copy of the script manual gets a lot of use, handier than reading the document on screen. Just ukp 5 from the online shop at; http://pilling.users.netlink.co.uk/ovationpro/price.html blatant commercialism on a bank holiday 8-( -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Apr 20 17:05:28 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BCjnP-0000YP-5z-0000Yn."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 17:05:28 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BCjnP-0000YP-5z; Sun, 11 Apr 2004 18:35:08 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BCjnP-0000YP-5z; Sun, 11 Apr 2004 18:35:07 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BCjnP-0004xB-Lx; Sun, 11 Apr 2004 18:35:07 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BCjmT-0006GI-MJ; Sun, 11 Apr 2004 19:34:09 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i3BIXjW01463 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 11 Apr 2004 19:33:45 +0100 Received: from mk-smarthost-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.40]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i3BIXim01448 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 2004 19:33:44 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from dial-62-64-239-149.access.uk.tiscali.com ([62.64.239.149]:1026 helo=tiscali) by mk-smarthost-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BCjm4-0007Lc-0o for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 11 Apr 2004 19:33:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 19:33:25 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] DPlngScan Message-ID: <4c9e1573c6dfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.37) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi David and the rest of the gang. A little (big) problem with the Subject noted application. In storage I have graphic files saved (Elsewhere) in LZW compressed Tiff format. As you know, this reduces the file size without data loss. In the case of the particular file set I'm working on, from 9.2+ Mbytes down to 4.2+ Mbytes per file. The problem is this: Even though in DPlngScan-Choices-Tiff I have the LZW button on, DPScan is still resaving the files full size 9.2+ Mbytes. Why is it not re-compressing the files at Save? What do I set (other than what I already have) to get it to do the compression? Cheers Dave S -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Apr 20 17:05:41 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BDO4M-0003jI-4i-0003ki."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 17:05:41 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BDO4M-0003jI-4i; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 13:35:19 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BDO4M-0003jI-4i; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 13:35:18 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BDO4M-0004Dq-9L; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 13:35:18 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BDO4G-0003l6-Em; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 14:35:12 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i3DDYPH23581 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 14:34:25 +0100 Received: from smtp20.hccnet.nl (smtp20.hccnet.nl [62.251.0.48]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i3DDYOw23571 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 14:34:24 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from rpc2.ethernet by smtp20.hccnet.nl via fia102-21-100.dsl.hccnet.nl [80.100.21.102] with SMTP for id i3DDYN7r016336 (8.12.10/2.04); Tue, 13 Apr 2004 15:34:23 +0200 (MEST) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 15:31:18 +0200 (BST) From: Johan Heuseveldt Subject: Re: [softwarelist] DPlngScan To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net In-Reply-To: <4c9e1573c6dfs@ukgateway.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-No-Markup: yes X-Organization: Waarland & Echteweide (Realfieldt), the Netherlands X-Url: X-Bar: ------------------------------------------------------------------- X-Platform: RISC OS (Reduced Instruction Set Computer Operating System) X-Platform2: now running RISC OS 4 Select 3i3 [4.37] X-System: Acorn RiscPC 600 X-Processor: StrongARM 110 on my first RiscPC (RPC1) X-Wishes: RISCOS Ltd succeeding in the continues development of RISC OS X-Bar: ------------------------------------------------------------------- X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi Dave, On Sun 11 Apr, Dave Symes wrote: [snip] > The problem is this: > Even though in DPlngScan-Choices-Tiff I have the LZW button on, DPScan is > still resaving the files full size 9.2+ Mbytes. > > Why is it not re-compressing the files at Save? > What do I set (other than what I already have) to get it to do the > compression? Have you tried switching it off? Perhaps the togle works the wrong way? I remember something like that in ANT, but don't remember what is was/is. greetings, Johan -- Johan Heuseveldt aka waarland The best place is a Riscy place It has just been discovered that research causes cancer in rats. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Apr 20 17:05:50 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BDgdp-0001Am-4o-0001CJ."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 17:05:50 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BDgdp-0001Am-4o; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 09:25:10 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BDgdp-0001Am-4o; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 09:25:09 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BDgdp-0003Xw-Ab; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 09:25:09 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BDgcQ-0004Qq-BO; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 10:23:42 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i3E9NNZ17394 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 10:23:23 +0100 Received: from yellow.csi.cam.ac.uk (yellow.csi.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.67]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i3E9NMV17370 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 10:23:22 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from sds46.clare.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.230.151] helo=sds46) by yellow.csi.cam.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BDgc5-0002rU-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 10:23:21 +0100 Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 10:23:51 +0100 From: Simon Smith To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Message-ID: <91a56e9f4c.Simon@sds46.clare.cam.ac.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.05 Subject: [softwarelist] EPS question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) My apologies if this question is utterly moronic and/or if it's been asked in the past. I'm working on a document which has quite a few illustrations (musical) which are in EPS format. All I want to do is drag the EPS files into the text and have them appear in an embedded frame, at 100% (as would happen with a JPEG for instance). However, when I drag them in it seems they always appear scaled down (somewhere around 50%). This would be fine if I could just tell it to then rescale it to 100%, but - maybe I'm missing something obvious - there doesn't seem to be an easy way to do this, without enlarging the frame (manually), then scaling the EPS to 100% within the frame, centering it, etc. etc. - and also I'd really like the frame itself to be exactly the same size as the EPS, which appears to be impossible since it has to be done by hand (manually)... What I'm asking for seems to be quite simple, so I suspect it's my own stupidity rather than anything else which is the problem. Any pointers? Thanks, Simon -- Simon Smith "I am myself only in music. Music is enough http://www.ingemisco.com for a whole lifetime - but a lifetime is not enough for music." (Sergei Rachmaninov) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Apr 20 17:05:55 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BDmdR-0005Sf-In-0005TI."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 17:05:55 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BDmdR-0005Sf-In; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 15:49:10 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BDmdR-0005Sf-In; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 15:49:09 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BDmdR-0005QF-JN; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 15:49:09 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BDmdF-0003tc-5k; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 16:48:57 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i3EFmYI23201 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 16:48:34 +0100 Received: from obelix.spectraweb.ch (mailrelay03.sunrise.ch [194.158.229.31]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i3EFmXf23194 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 16:48:33 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from janvredenburchsmile.ch ([194.230.6.243]) by obelix.spectraweb.ch (8.12.9/8.12.6) with SMTP id i3EFmVlV023760 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 17:48:32 +0200 Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 17:47:28 +0200 (BST) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: [softwarelist] EPS question To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net In-Reply-To: <91a56e9f4c.Simon@sds46.clare.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: CIC member; Secretariaat St. Van Vredenburch X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Wed 14 Apr, Simon Smith wrote: > snip > > What I'm asking for seems to be quite simple, so I suspect it's my own > stupidity rather than anything else which is the problem. Any pointers? The manual, paragraph 10, page 131. JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch, CH - 6006 Luzern . -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Apr 20 17:06:03 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BE7SC-0005XO-QO-0005Ye."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 17:06:03 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BE7SC-0005XO-QO; Thu, 15 Apr 2004 14:02:57 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BE7SC-0005XO-QO; Thu, 15 Apr 2004 14:02:56 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BE7SB-0002Lk-Sv; Thu, 15 Apr 2004 14:02:55 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BE7S2-0008EO-Sw; Thu, 15 Apr 2004 15:02:46 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i3FE2Ea18229 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 15 Apr 2004 15:02:15 +0100 Received: from yellow.csi.cam.ac.uk (yellow.csi.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.67]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i3FE2DV18216 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 2004 15:02:13 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from sds46.clare.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.230.151] helo=sds46) by yellow.csi.cam.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BE7RU-0006u2-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 15 Apr 2004 15:02:12 +0100 Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 15:02:08 +0100 From: Simon Smith To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] EPS question Message-ID: <89f50ba04c.Simon@sds46.clare.cam.ac.uk> References: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,IN_REP_TO, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch wrote: > The manual, paragraph 10, page 131. Thanks. I did read this when trying to work out what I was doing. However, holding Ctrl only works when you're dragging the picture (or EPS) to a new, empty frame - it comes out at 100% and everything is fine. But I want to be able to drag the files straight into the text and embed them between paragraphs, but when I do this, Ctrl doesn't make any difference. I'd hoped to be able to work around it by creating a frame somewhere, Ctrl-dragging the file into it, then cutting it (just the picture/EPS, not the frame) and pasting it where I wanted it in the text, but that didn't seem to work either. -- Simon Smith "I am myself only in music. Music is enough http://www.ingemisco.com for a whole lifetime - but a lifetime is not enough for music." (Sergei Rachmaninov) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Apr 20 17:06:57 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BEts5-00058m-Pp-0005A3."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 17:06:57 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BEts5-00058m-Pp; Sat, 17 Apr 2004 17:44:54 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BEts5-00058m-Pp; Sat, 17 Apr 2004 17:44:53 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BEts4-0005A0-RY; Sat, 17 Apr 2004 17:44:52 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BEtrv-0003V6-UQ; Sat, 17 Apr 2004 18:44:43 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i3HHiI109440 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 17 Apr 2004 18:44:18 +0100 Received: from mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.48]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i3HHiHM09429 for ; Sat, 17 Apr 2004 18:44:18 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from dial-62-64-238-50.access.uk.tiscali.com ([62.64.238.50]:1025 helo=tiscali) by mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BEtqL-000LvP-Cm for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 17 Apr 2004 18:43:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 18:32:06 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: DPlngScan Message-ID: <4ca126daa8dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: References: <4c9e1573c6dfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.37) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , Johan Heuseveldt wrote: > Hi Dave, > On Sun 11 Apr, Dave Symes wrote: > [snip] > > The problem is this: Even though in DPlngScan-Choices-Tiff I have the > > LZW button on, DPScan is still resaving the files full size 9.2+ > > Mbytes. > > > > Why is it not re-compressing the files at Save? What do I set (other > > than what I already have) to get it to do the compression? > Have you tried switching it off? Perhaps the togle works the wrong way? > I remember something like that in ANT, but don't remember what > is was/is. > greetings, > Johan It seems some sort of spurious glitch, the machine had been on all day, a large number of different apps had been run and quit, so probably something had upset something... A couple of days later after receiving a post from DP about the matter, I had another play and the Tiff+LZW was working okay. Cheers Dave S -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Apr 20 21:15:28 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BG1W7-0004IG-IF-0004K8."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 21:15:28 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BG1W7-0004IG-IF; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 20:06:52 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BG1W7-0004IG-IF; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 20:06:51 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BG1W7-0006Gw-Eo; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 20:06:51 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BG1Vy-0004It-Rh; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 21:06:42 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i3KK6Ed02669 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 21:06:14 +0100 Received: from obelix.spectraweb.ch (mailrelay03.sunrise.ch [194.158.229.31]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i3KK6DK02666 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 21:06:13 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from janvredenburchsmile.ch ([194.230.224.245]) by obelix.spectraweb.ch (8.12.9/8.12.6) with SMTP id i3KK66lV029258 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 22:06:07 +0200 Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 19:55:28 +0200 (BST) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: [softwarelist] EPS question To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net In-Reply-To: <89f50ba04c.Simon@sds46.clare.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: CIC member; Secretariaat St. Van Vredenburch X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by svr1.spellings.net id i3KK6EK02667 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Sorry for the delay to reply, was absent from home a few days. On Thu 15 Apr, Simon Smith wrote: > > Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch wrote: > > > The manual, paragraph 10, page 131. > > Thanks. I did read this when trying to work out what I was doing. However, > holding Ctrl only works when you're dragging the picture (or EPS) to a new, > empty frame - it comes out at 100% and everything is fine. But I want to be > able to drag the files straight into the text and embed them between > paragraphs, but when I do this, Ctrl doesn't make any difference. ...... Very strange. It was not my experience, but then I did my testing with *small* pics. But -in your case- you are right as I discovered after further testing. It appears that any big pictures dragged into the text, even when holding the Ctrl key, will -if need be- be down-sized to a maximum width or height. This maximum also seems to depend on the overall size of your document and whether it is in picture or landscape mode. > ......................I'd hoped > to be able to work around it by creating a frame somewhere, Ctrl-dragging > the file into it, then cutting it (just the picture/EPS, not the frame) and > pasting it where I wanted it in the text, but that didn't seem to work > either. I agree it does not work. Actually your work around is not a work around as you end up Ctrl-dragging the same picture, albeit from a different origin. What you can do: having Ctrl-dragged the picture in your text, click on the picture. Now on the Info Bar the scale is mentioned. Change that to 100%. You will see a cropped image in your document. Drag the bottom right-hand window handle of the picture as far as needed so the whole picture is visible. I had no time to investigate what maximum size of a picture is imported at 100% using an A4 document. And am not sure that this is relevant, as it appears that the maximum import-size mainly depends on the size of the OvPro-document. I do not know in what way. And the preceding lines should be a 'pointer' how to succeed. First check at what size (in %) your pic fits on a line. If it is not 100%, what follows is not valid. Select a paper size much bigger than your final document must be, A3 or maybe even A2 or A1. (You will have to input the sizes for A2 or A1 or anything else yourself as a default setting above A3 is not available.) Input your text and Ctrl-drag your pics. Go to the Master page of your document and re-select the paper size. Close the Master page. Doing this the size of your pics do not change but you end up with the wanted size for your final document. If you now see no pictures at all in your document, it means that the size of the pic windows is larger than the text frame in your document. I hope what precedes has given you sufficient 'pointers', as requested;-) Above I stated "not valid". You can always choose a bigger paper size where your pic fits at 100%. And then downscale your printing % so it fits ('Fit') when printed on e.g. A4. Then what I stated above remains valid. Amazing what OvPro can do >:-)) Limiting the maximum size of (over-sized-)pics dragged into text seems to be logic as too big pictures get out of bounds (i.e text frame size) and may lead to all kind of ways of crashing the program. And the non-computer-connoisseur not understanding what has gone wrong... JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch, CH - 6006 Luzern . -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Apr 21 14:40:03 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BGFWc-0000uM-6z-0000v2."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 14:40:03 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BGFWc-0000uM-6z; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 11:04:19 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BGFWc-0000uM-6z; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 11:04:18 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BGFWb-00072h-PM; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 11:04:17 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BGFWS-0002xe-AT; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 12:04:08 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i3LB3Il31974 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 12:03:18 +0100 Received: from mta08-svc.ntlworld.com (mta08-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.48]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i3LB3H331960 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 12:03:17 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from oemcomputer ([62.255.72.59]) by mta08-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20040421110320.CLMQ4673.mta08-svc.ntlworld.com@oemcomputer> for ; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 12:03:20 +0100 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20040421115819.00954760@pop.ntlworld.com> X-Sender: neillmc@pop.ntlworld.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 12:01:58 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: neillmc Subject: [softwarelist] DDL files:Windows Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01 version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi there, I tried to use one of the label templates to make a different one, then save it. However, I found that the Merge fields had been deleted when I reloaded the document. Can anyone help? Neill McNeill -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Apr 22 03:44:11 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BGU3D-0004DU-Bg-0004Dm."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 03:44:11 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BGU3D-0004DU-Bg; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 02:34:56 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BGU3D-0004DU-Bg; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 02:34:55 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BGU3D-0001gE-At; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 02:34:55 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BGU2u-00043o-Qi; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 03:34:36 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i3M2YC302089 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 03:34:12 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i3M2YB902084 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 03:34:11 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BGU2V-000JQ0-0W for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 03:34:11 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 03:33:59 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] DDL files:Windows References: <4.2.0.58.20040421115819.00954760@pop.ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20040421115819.00954760@pop.ntlworld.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > I tried to use one of the label templates to make a different >one, then save it. However, I found that the Merge fields had been >deleted when I reloaded the document. Well that shouldn't happen - but you've left open lots of possibilities - which template? what did you save it as? Was this in the context of the label applet? if so it requires templates saving as DDL. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Apr 22 13:28:02 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BGXXh-0003rw-8r-0003si."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 13:28:02 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BGXXh-0003rw-8r; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 06:18:39 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BGXXh-0003rw-8r; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 06:18:37 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BGXXh-0003l0-It; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 06:18:37 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BGXUY-0000KM-75; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 07:15:22 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i3M6FAq13543 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 07:15:10 +0100 Received: from mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (mta07-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.47]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i3M6FAK13540 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 07:15:10 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from oemcomputer ([81.104.8.30]) by mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20040422061302.FMVF23957.mta07-svc.ntlworld.com@oemcomputer> for ; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 07:13:02 +0100 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20040422070202.0094f2e0@pop.ntlworld.com> X-Sender: neillmc@pop.ntlworld.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 07:11:02 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: neillmc Subject: Re: [softwarelist] DDL files:Windows In-Reply-To: References: <4.2.0.58.20040421115819.00954760@pop.ntlworld.com> <4.2.0.58.20040421115819.00954760@pop.ntlworld.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_1592778==_.ALT" Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,HTML_10_20,HTML_MESSAGE, IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) --=====================_1592778==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 03:33 22/04/04 +0100, you wrote: >> I tried to use one of the label templates to make a different one, >> then save it. However, I found that the Merge fields had been deleted >> when I reloaded the document. > >Well that shouldn't happen - but you've left open lots of possibilities - >which template? what did you save it as? > >Was this in the context of the label applet? if so it requires templates >saving as DDL. Sorted! I thought I had saved the file as DDL but on closer inspection it had been saved as DPD. For the record, I changed a 7164 to a 8162. Regards, Neill McNeill --=====================_1592778==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 03:33 22/04/04 +0100, you wrote:

      I tried to use one of the label templates to make a different one, then save it. However, I found that the Merge fields had been deleted when I reloaded the document.

Well that shouldn't happen - but you've left open lots of possibilities - which template? what did you save it as?

Was this in the context of the label applet? if so it requires templates saving as DDL.
Sorted! I thought I had saved the file as DDL but on closer inspection it had been saved as DPD.
For the record, I changed a 7164 to a 8162.

Regards,

Neill McNeill
--=====================_1592778==_.ALT-- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Apr 22 23:28:27 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BGma7-0006hH-5F-0006hj."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 23:28:27 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BGma7-0006hH-5F; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 22:22:08 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BGma7-0006hH-5F; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 22:22:07 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BGma7-0002Ku-ED; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 22:22:07 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BGmZf-0004M2-QI; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 23:21:39 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i3MMLHk16005 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 23:21:17 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i3MMLH515999 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 23:21:17 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BGmZI-000Han-0X for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 23:21:16 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 23:19:48 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] FontFix 0.07 References: <4.2.0.58.20040421115819.00954760@pop.ntlworld.com> <4.2.0.58.20040421115819.00954760@pop.ntlworld.com> <4.2.0.58.20040422070202.0094f2e0@pop.ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20040422070202.0094f2e0@pop.ntlworld.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, FontFix 0.07 is available from; http://pilling.users.netlink.co.uk/fix.zip If you use this module, then it is important you upgrade because older versions have a bug in which will upset other programs. It's a problem with this kind of toy code that it gets installed permanently and then when a program fails, it takes a lot of effort for another software writer to sort out why. Anyway, same code, same bug in SpecialFX, there's a new version of that too. Richard Hallas will I guess sort out distribution. He may even tell us here if his mailer spots his name being taken in vain... 8-) -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Apr 23 13:36:08 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BGw6E-0002TL-Dt-0002Ui."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 13:36:08 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BGw6E-0002TL-Dt; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 08:31:55 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BGw6E-0002TL-Dt; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 08:31:54 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BGw6E-0006eu-3W; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 08:31:54 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BGw64-0008VH-Nj; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 09:31:44 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i3N8V6I20455 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 09:31:06 +0100 Received: from i-194-106-33-237.freedom2surf.net (i-194-106-33-237.freedom2surf.net [194.106.33.237]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i3N8V6820446 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 09:31:06 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from wallace (i-195-137-110-177.freedom2surf.net [195.137.110.177]) by i-194-106-33-237.freedom2surf.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i3N8V5l4002709 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 09:31:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Brian Carroll To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 09:19:15 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: FontFix 0.07 Message-ID: <4ca40b417cbric@f2s.com> In-Reply-To: References: <4.2.0.58.20040421115819.00954760@pop.ntlworld.com> <4.2.0.58.20040421115819.00954760@pop.ntlworld.com> <4.2.0.58.20040422070202.0094f2e0@pop.ntlworld.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.37) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , David Pilling wrote: [Snip] > If you use this module, then it is important you upgrade > because older versions have a bug in which will upset other > programs. David, could you please avoid hi-jacking an existing thread for a new subject, as you did with this important warning. It mucks up threading displays (though Pluto allows the thread to be unlinked) so that it is difficult to find the article. Brian. -- ______________________________________________________________ Brian Carroll, Ripon, North Yorkshire, UK bric at f2s dot com ______________________________________________________________ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Apr 23 13:46:01 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BH01P-0001mW-9G-0001n0."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 13:46:01 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BH01P-0001mW-9G; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 12:43:12 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BH01P-0001mW-9G; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 12:43:11 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BH01P-0003Wp-Kc; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 12:43:11 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BH00z-0003BZ-Oh; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 13:42:45 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i3NCg6329400 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 13:42:06 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i3NCg5v29395 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 13:42:05 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BH00L-000E55-0X for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 13:42:05 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 13:40:44 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: FontFix 0.07 References: <4.2.0.58.20040421115819.00954760@pop.ntlworld.com> <4.2.0.58.20040421115819.00954760@pop.ntlworld.com> <4.2.0.58.20040422070202.0094f2e0@pop.ntlworld.com> <4ca40b417cbric@f2s.com> In-Reply-To: <4ca40b417cbric@f2s.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >David, could you please avoid hi-jacking an existing thread for >a new subject, as you did with this important warning. It mucks >up threading displays (though Pluto allows the thread to be >unlinked) so that it is difficult to find the article. Oh right, it threads off some hidden tag does it, rather than the subject line. What I do is reply with a changed subject when I want to start a new thread, because I can't remember the address for the software list. Doesn't everyone? Anyway I'll try harder. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Apr 23 14:06:02 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BH0Jl-0007h2-HC-0007hc."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 14:06:02 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BH0Jl-0007h2-HC; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 13:02:10 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BH0Jl-0007h2-HC; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 13:02:09 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BH0Jl-00065e-4A; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 13:02:09 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BH0JW-0003oY-EK; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 14:01:54 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i3ND1fv02401 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 14:01:41 +0100 Received: from protactinium.btinternet.com (protactinium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.176]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i3ND1e502398 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 14:01:40 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [81.153.209.199] (helo=Vigor10) by protactinium.btinternet.com with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #25) id 1BH0JH-00023x-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 14:01:39 +0100 Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 13:58:26 +0100 From: Brian Howlett To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: FontFix 0.07 Message-ID: References: <4.2.0.58.20040421115819.00954760@pop.ntlworld.com> <4.2.0.58.20040421115819.00954760@pop.ntlworld.com> <4.2.0.58.20040422070202.0094f2e0@pop.ntlworld.com> <4ca40b417cbric@f2s.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: You havin' a laff or wot? User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/4.37) POPstar/2.05 X-Computer: Acorn RISC PC SA-110 X-Editor: Zap 1.45 (06 Nov 2002), ZapEmail 0.26 (03 Nov 2002) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 23 Apr, David Pilling wrote: [snip] > > Oh right, it threads off some hidden tag does it, rather than the > subject line. It threads using the References: header in most MTAs > > What I do is reply with a changed subject when I want to start a new > thread, because I can't remember the address for the software list. It's softwarelist@davidpilling.net - why not put it in your address book? > > Doesn't everyone? > > Anyway I'll try harder. > -- Brian Howlett ------------------------------------------------- Watch out... ...you might get what you're after... -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Apr 23 14:16:03 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BH0Qq-0006RB-Od-0006Ro."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 14:16:03 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BH0Qq-0006RB-Od; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 13:09:29 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BH0Qq-0006RB-Od; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 13:09:28 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BH0Qq-0000KR-Dh; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 13:09:28 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BH0Qj-0001we-2O; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 14:09:21 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i3ND9Gm04668 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 14:09:16 +0100 Received: from mail-gateway.nlr.nl (mail-gateway.nlr.nl [137.17.162.2]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i3ND9GA04664 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 14:09:16 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from border.nlr.nl (border-qfe3 [137.17.162.1]) by mail-gateway.nlr.nl with SMTP id i3ND9FEA292716; (enveloppe sender address: polak@nlr.nl); Fri, 23 Apr 2004 15:09:15 +0200 (CDT) Received: from nararch.nlr.nl (nararch.nlr.nl [137.17.168.66]) by smtp-server.nlr.nl with SMTP id i3ND9EKe006733; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 15:09:14 +0200 Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 15:08:56 +0200 From: "F.R. Polak" To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] FontFix 0.07 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: National Aerospace Laboratory NLR User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/4.37) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message dated 23 Apr 2004 David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > > FontFix 0.07 is available from; > > http://pilling.users.netlink.co.uk/fix.zip > > If you use this module, then it is important you upgrade because older > versions have a bug in which will upset other programs. > > It's a problem with this kind of toy code that it gets installed > permanently and then when a program fails, it takes a lot of effort for > another software writer to sort out why. > > Anyway, same code, same bug in SpecialFX, there's a new version of that > too. Richard Hallas will I guess sort out distribution. > Any idea how one can obtain that new version of SpecialFX? I found SpecialFX on: http://foundation.riscos.com/html/database/pages/keynote/ but downloading of SpecialFX-103 doesn't work. It used to come on the Foundation CD (which I subscribe to), but that will take a long time for the next release, probably. Thanks, Frits -- Frits R. Polak National Aerospace Laboratory (NLR), Amsterdam Division Air Transport; Department ATM & Airports. phone : +31-(0)20-5113543; fax: +31-(0)20-5113210 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Apr 23 14:26:03 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BH0d1-00024y-Ln-00025n."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 14:26:03 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BH0d1-00024y-Ln; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 13:22:05 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BH0d1-00024y-Ln; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 13:22:03 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BH0d1-0004hv-Hc; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 13:22:03 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BH0cx-00018P-U3; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 14:21:59 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i3NDLtb08598 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 14:21:55 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i3NDLs908591 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 14:21:54 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BH0cs-000K1s-0X for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 14:21:54 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 14:20:40 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] FontFix 0.07 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Any idea how one can obtain that new version of SpecialFX? I found >SpecialFX on: http://foundation.riscos.com/html/database/pages/keynote/ As I hinted, Richard Hallas has the new version. If he doesn't let you know here how to get it, I will do. Obviously with my own program and web site I'm a little ahead of him. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Apr 23 14:56:04 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BH12W-0005Ey-Hx-0005FR."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 14:56:04 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BH12W-0005Ey-Hx; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 13:48:25 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BH12W-0005Ey-Hx; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 13:48:24 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BH12W-0002AF-6y; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 13:48:24 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BH120-0000LE-P4; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 14:47:52 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i3NDlm916267 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 14:47:48 +0100 Received: from mail-gateway.nlr.nl (mail-gateway.nlr.nl [137.17.162.2]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i3NDlm016263 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 14:47:48 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from border.nlr.nl (border-qfe3 [137.17.162.1]) by mail-gateway.nlr.nl with SMTP id i3NDlRnE299632; (enveloppe sender address: polak@nlr.nl); Fri, 23 Apr 2004 15:47:47 +0200 (CDT) Received: from nararch.nlr.nl (nararch.nlr.nl [137.17.168.66]) by smtp-server.nlr.nl with SMTP id i3NDlVKe008835; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 15:47:40 +0200 Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 15:47:14 +0200 From: "F.R. Polak" To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] FontFix 0.07 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: National Aerospace Laboratory NLR User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/4.37) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message dated 23 Apr 2004 David Pilling wrote: > >Any idea how one can obtain that new version of SpecialFX? I found > >SpecialFX on: http://foundation.riscos.com/html/database/pages/keynote/ > > As I hinted, Richard Hallas has the new version. If he doesn't let you > know here how to get it, I will do. > OK, I will wait and see... > Obviously with my own program and web site I'm a little ahead of him. > Being so productive, you're not a little ahead of him only... Cheers, Frits -- Frits R. Polak National Aerospace Laboratory (NLR), Amsterdam Division Air Transport; Department ATM & Airports. phone : +31-(0)20-5113543; fax: +31-(0)20-5113210 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Apr 23 16:56:10 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BH30m-0003AP-7P-0003An."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 16:56:10 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BH30m-0003AP-7P; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 15:54:44 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BH30m-0003AP-7P; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 15:54:44 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BH30l-00052y-Rm; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 15:54:43 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BH30X-0003QW-Fq; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 16:54:29 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i3NFrwe21045 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 16:53:58 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i3NFrv621042 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 16:53:58 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from south-frm.demon.co.uk ([80.177.26.219] helo=greatest) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BH301-000K2e-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 16:53:57 +0100 Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 16:53:35 +0100 From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: FontFix 0.07 Message-ID: References: <4.2.0.58.20040421115819.00954760@pop.ntlworld.com> <4.2.0.58.20040421115819.00954760@pop.ntlworld.com> <4.2.0.58.20040422070202.0094f2e0@pop.ntlworld.com> <4ca40b417cbric@f2s.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.05) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message of 23 Apr, David Pilling wrote: > >David, could you please avoid hi-jacking an existing thread for > >a new subject, as you did with this important warning. It mucks > >up threading displays (though Pluto allows the thread to be > >unlinked) so that it is difficult to find the article. > > Oh right, it threads off some hidden tag does it, rather than the > subject line. > > What I do is reply with a changed subject when I want to start a new > thread, because I can't remember the address for the software list. > > Doesn't everyone? Not if you use Messenger (or presumably Gemini on PCs) as this has a facility to configure Mailing Lists groups with the return address. A nice feature that I use for every mailing list. You filter all incoming mail to separate groups for each mailing list. Then in the group window just click on the New News icon and the proggie directs the mail to this configured address. Might Turnpike have that facility? -- Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Apr 23 17:06:11 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BH33d-0000rz-B4-0000sS."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 17:06:11 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BH33d-0000rz-B4; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 15:57:42 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BH33d-0000rz-B4; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 15:57:41 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BH33d-0007kF-8E; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 15:57:41 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BH33Q-0008Bx-IW; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 16:57:28 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i3NFvMr21882 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 16:57:22 +0100 Received: from smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.7]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i3NFvMq21878 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 16:57:22 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from RPC ([82.43.89.67]) by smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Fri, 23 Apr 2004 16:57:23 +0100 Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 16:53:46 +0100 From: Bruce Goatly To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: FontFix 0.07 Message-ID: <7de34a44c%ovation@goatly.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Perfect Page X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b User-Agent: POPstar/2.05 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Apr 2004 15:57:24.0295 (UTC) FILETIME=[AB178D70:01C4294B] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message Brian Howlett wrote: > On 23 Apr, David Pilling wrote: > > [snip] > > > > Oh right, it threads off some hidden tag does it, rather than the > > subject line. > > It threads using the References: header in most MTAs In mailing lists there is no References: header. Messenger seems to thread off the In-Reply-To: header. Whenever I want to start a new thread I reply to an existing one, chop out the In-Reply-To: header, delete the message and start a new subject. Messy, but it works. Bruce -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Apr 23 17:56:13 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BH3oy-0007R1-KN-0007RG."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 17:56:13 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BH3oy-0007R1-KN; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 16:46:36 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BH3oy-0007R1-KN; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 16:46:36 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BH3oy-0007St-4k; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 16:46:36 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BH3nj-00051j-S4; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 17:45:19 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i3NGjBt02446 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 17:45:11 +0100 Received: from tungsten.btinternet.com (tungsten.btinternet.com [194.73.73.81]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i3NGjB302443 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 17:45:11 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [81.153.209.199] (helo=Vigor10) by tungsten.btinternet.com with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #25) id 1BH3na-0005QF-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 17:45:10 +0100 Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 17:37:25 +0100 From: Brian Howlett To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: FontFix 0.07 Message-ID: References: <7de34a44c%ovation@goatly.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <7de34a44c%ovation@goatly.co.uk> X-Organization: You havin' a laff or wot? User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/4.37) POPstar/2.05 X-Computer: Acorn RISC PC SA-110 X-Editor: Zap 1.45 (06 Nov 2002), ZapEmail 0.26 (03 Nov 2002) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 23 Apr, Bruce Goatly wrote: [snip] > > In mailing lists there is no References: header. Messenger seems to > thread off the In-Reply-To: header. Your software does not appear to supply a References: header, but all the other articles I have checked in this thread do. > Whenever I want to start a new thread I reply to an existing one, chop > out the In-Reply-To: header, delete the message and start a new > subject. Messy, but it works. > Messy, certainly. Necessary? Not really. Just send an email to softwarelist@davidpilling.net to start a new thread. -- Brian Howlett ------------------------------------------------ "Fish - visionary genius, or just a big haddie?" -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Apr 23 20:46:22 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BH6bv-0007W9-FM-0007WM."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 20:46:22 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BH6bv-0007W9-FM; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 19:45:20 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BH6bv-0007W9-FM; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 19:45:19 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BH6bv-0004Q7-JC; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 19:45:19 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BH6b6-0006LU-Ed; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 20:44:28 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i3NJiJk04097 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 20:44:19 +0100 Received: from queue3-svc.ntlworld.com (queue3-win.server.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.223]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i3NJiIO04092 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 20:44:18 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from Iyonix ([80.1.151.118]) by mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20040423170113.ZJXU11023.mta03-svc.ntlworld.com@Iyonix> for ; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 18:01:13 +0100 Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 18:02:25 GMT From: To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] FontFix 0.07 Message-ID: <69a540a44c.ralph_valmai@ntlworld.com> References: <4.2.0.58.20040421115819.00954760@pop.ntlworld.com> <4.2.0.58.20040421115819.00954760@pop.ntlworld.com> <4.2.0.58.20040422070202.0094f2e0@pop.ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.04) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message David Pilling wrote: Hi, David, > Hi, > > FontFix 0.07 is available from; > > http://pilling.users.netlink.co.uk/fix.zip > > If you use this module, then it is important you upgrade because older > versions have a bug in which will upset other programs. Where does it go? I guess !System.310.Modules but I couldn't confirm this from the !ReadMe file or from the website. If my guess is correct I don't appear to have the older version. Do I need it? Even if not is it a sensible thing to have on board in case some software needing is acquired? And, while I am putting finger to keyboard, is there a 32 bit version of the CC GDraw module? Thanks, Ralph -- Ralph Stevens In leafy Epping -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Apr 23 20:56:23 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BH6e6-0005qf-Ia-0005rm."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 20:56:23 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BH6e6-0005qf-Ia; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 19:47:35 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BH6e6-0005qf-Ia; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 19:47:34 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BH6e6-0004TX-JS; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 19:47:34 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BH6dd-0002jL-IH; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 20:47:05 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i3NJl2h04542 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 20:47:02 +0100 Received: from ctb-mesg2.saix.net (ctb-mesg2.saix.net [196.25.240.74]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i3NJl1k04532 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 20:47:01 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from tolkien (tbnb-ip-nas-1-p362.telkom-ipnet.co.za [155.239.181.106]) by ctb-mesg2.saix.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 86831353AE for ; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 21:46:57 +0200 (SAST) Message-ID: <008101c4296b$0741f8a0$0100a8c0@tolkien> From: "Samuel" To: References: <4.2.0.58.20040421115819.00954760@pop.ntlworld.com> <4.2.0.58.20040421115819.00954760@pop.ntlworld.com> <4.2.0.58.20040422070202.0094f2e0@pop.ntlworld.com> <69a540a44c.ralph_valmai@ntlworld.com> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] FontFix 0.07 Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 21:41:51 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Disposition-Notification-To: "Samuel" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) ralph_valmai@ntlworld.com wrote: > And, while I am putting finger to keyboard, is there a 32 bit version > of the CC GDraw module? As far as I am aware, you can get that with the 32 bit AWViewer from www.mw-software.com Samuel -- Samuel Kock "Oh! I thought that was a parrot!". "No, no... They turn that colour." -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Apr 23 21:46:25 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BH7R9-0003K4-3I-0003Kb."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 21:46:25 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BH7R9-0003K4-3I; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 20:38:15 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BH7R9-0003K4-3I; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 20:38:15 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BH7R8-0002XY-K9; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 20:38:14 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BH7Qx-0000Gn-Me; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 21:38:03 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i3NKbw513038 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 21:37:58 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i3NKbwR13035 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 21:37:58 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BH7Qr-000HxD-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 21:37:58 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 21:36:18 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] FontFix 0.07 References: <4.2.0.58.20040421115819.00954760@pop.ntlworld.com> <4.2.0.58.20040421115819.00954760@pop.ntlworld.com> <4.2.0.58.20040422070202.0094f2e0@pop.ntlworld.com> <69a540a44c.ralph_valmai@ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: <69a540a44c.ralph_valmai@ntlworld.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >> FontFix 0.07 is available from; >Do I need it? No. > Even if not >is it a sensible thing to have on board in case some software needing >is acquired? No. This module is to be avoided unless you know you need it, and are aware of the fact that you have it installed. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Apr 23 22:56:29 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BH8VY-00056F-Q4-00056Z."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 22:56:29 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BH8VY-00056F-Q4; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 21:46:52 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BH8VY-00056F-Q4; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 21:46:52 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BH8VX-0002kg-Sh; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 21:46:51 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BH8Uv-0001vN-9D; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 22:46:13 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i3NLjSA24459 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 22:45:28 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i3NLjRM24452 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 22:45:27 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BH8UB-000PLc-0V for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 22:45:27 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 22:44:02 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] FontFix 0.07 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >> As I hinted, Richard Hallas has the new version. If he doesn't let you >> know here how to get it, I will do. >OK, I will wait and see... ...pops down to Monaco for few hands of chemin de fer with Geri Halliwell and everything goes mad. He's on the case, watch this space... -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Apr 24 00:46:34 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BHAKx-0006l2-EZ-0006lZ."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 24 Apr 2004 00:46:34 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BHAKx-0006l2-EZ; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 23:44:04 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BHAKx-0006l2-EZ; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 23:44:03 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BHAKx-0007kb-9d; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 23:44:03 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BHAKn-0007kI-25; Sat, 24 Apr 2004 00:43:53 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i3NNhME09774 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 24 Apr 2004 00:43:22 +0100 Received: from desire.actrix.co.nz (desire.actrix.co.nz [203.96.16.164]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i3NNhKG09769 for ; Sat, 24 Apr 2004 00:43:21 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from .actrix.gen.nz (ak-d144.connections.net.nz [202.154.128.144]) by desire.actrix.co.nz (Postfix) with SMTP id 30A111614C for ; Sat, 24 Apr 2004 11:42:52 +1200 (NZST) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 11:40:44 GMT From: David Love To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] !Arcfax Message-ID: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by svr1.spellings.net id i3NNhMG09772 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_30,DATE_IN_FUTURE_06_12,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi! My copy of !Arcfax is now returning the following error message when I try to read a fax in both the TX Batch and RX Batch: "Message from ArcFax. There is not enough memory to create this window or menu" I have increased the Wimpslot to a minimum of 640K with no success in opening a fax image. My set up is RPCSA with 84MB RAM (80 + 2 VRAM) with in excess of 64MB available. !ArcFax is v1.16. I have tried later versions but have then experienced problems with my Dynalink modem. Can anyone on the list suggest why this error has suddenly occurred, when for the last umpteen years !ArcFax has worked flawlessly. Regards from New Zealand on a pleasant winter morning. David -- David Love Where there's a will.... I want to be in it. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Apr 24 02:26:40 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BHBoz-0003vk-MJ-0003wO."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 24 Apr 2004 02:26:40 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BHBoz-0003vk-MJ; Sat, 24 Apr 2004 01:19:11 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BHBoz-0003vk-MJ; Sat, 24 Apr 2004 01:19:09 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BHBoz-00038s-Ns; Sat, 24 Apr 2004 01:19:09 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BHBoq-0007vP-C1; Sat, 24 Apr 2004 02:19:00 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i3O1IlB24267 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 24 Apr 2004 02:18:47 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i3O1IkA24264 for ; Sat, 24 Apr 2004 02:18:46 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BHBoc-000Hg4-0X for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 24 Apr 2004 02:18:46 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 02:17:12 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] !Arcfax References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, >"Message from ArcFax. There is not enough memory to create this window >or menu" ISTR this was a problem the ReadMe says... Release 1.18 ============ Changes to handle long filenames. In particular it seems that an attempt to load a fax with a filename longer than 12 chars lead to a 'not enough memory to create this window' error. I'm kind of surprised you have problems with the later versions. Keep the same modem driver would be my advice - i.e. actually copy the driver from the old version to the new. As to your current set up, maybe you can rename the faxes, display them in DPSS or whatever and then delete them. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Apr 24 13:59:40 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BHLAb-0006Ys-NY-0006aF."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 24 Apr 2004 13:59:40 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BHLAb-0006Ys-NY; Sat, 24 Apr 2004 11:18:06 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BHLAb-0006Ys-NY; Sat, 24 Apr 2004 11:18:05 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BHLAb-0001Kf-4d; Sat, 24 Apr 2004 11:18:05 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BHLA4-0005xq-J0; Sat, 24 Apr 2004 12:17:32 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i3OBHGG16799 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 24 Apr 2004 12:17:16 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i3OBHF116791 for ; Sat, 24 Apr 2004 12:17:15 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from vigay.demon.co.uk ([80.177.103.19] helo=anonymous) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BHL9n-000Fu3-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 24 Apr 2004 12:17:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Vigay To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 12:18:07 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Quick query with SparkFS and encryption Message-ID: <4ca49f7772lists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.05) POPstar/2.05 X-No-Archive: Yes Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I notice that SparkFS can decode encrypted files by dragging the archive to the icon whilst holding CTRL down. However, how can you create an encrypted file in the first place? I can't find an option on SparkFS to create a new archive with a password. Paul -- Paul Vigay __\\|//__ Life, (` o-o ') the Universe http://www.vigay.com -----ooO-(_)-Ooo------ & Everything ------ When Freedom is Outlawed, Only Outlaws will be Free. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Apr 24 14:09:32 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BHMsf-0001wy-B2-0001xX."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 24 Apr 2004 14:09:32 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BHMsf-0001wy-B2; Sat, 24 Apr 2004 13:07:42 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BHMsf-0001wy-B2; Sat, 24 Apr 2004 13:07:41 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BHMsf-0007cs-5k; Sat, 24 Apr 2004 13:07:41 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BHMsB-0001FB-3e; Sat, 24 Apr 2004 14:07:11 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i3OD6vH31340 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 24 Apr 2004 14:06:57 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i3OD6vf31337 for ; Sat, 24 Apr 2004 14:06:57 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BHMrw-000Azj-0Y for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 24 Apr 2004 14:06:56 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 14:05:29 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Quick query with SparkFS and encryption References: <4ca49f7772lists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> In-Reply-To: <4ca49f7772lists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >I notice that SparkFS can decode encrypted files by dragging the archive to >the icon whilst holding CTRL down. Actually that lets you set a password for an archive, and the password is used both for extracting or inserting files into the archive. >However, how can you create an encrypted file in the first place? I can't >find an option on SparkFS to create a new archive with a password. Can't be done as such. One problem people always have, is that they assume an archive has a "this is an encrypted archive" flag, they don't. So what you do is create an archive, and then (as above) set the password for it. Remember to bash return after typing it in. Next time (i.e. in another session) you want to use the archive you'll have to set the password again - because there's no way SparkFS can tell the archive is password protected. See the manual... -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Apr 24 14:19:31 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BHMyT-0004Xu-Cn-0004Yg."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 24 Apr 2004 14:19:31 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BHMyT-0004Xu-Cn; Sat, 24 Apr 2004 13:13:42 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BHMyT-0004Xu-Cn; Sat, 24 Apr 2004 13:13:41 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BHMyT-0005Kk-Op; Sat, 24 Apr 2004 13:13:41 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BHMyK-0002O9-B0; Sat, 24 Apr 2004 14:13:32 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i3ODDPr32227 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 24 Apr 2004 14:13:25 +0100 Received: from smtp30.hccnet.nl (smtp30.hccnet.nl [62.251.0.40]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i3ODDPw32223 for ; Sat, 24 Apr 2004 14:13:25 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from rpc2.ethernet by smtp30.hccnet.nl via fia102-21-100.dsl.hccnet.nl [80.100.21.102] with SMTP for id i3ODDO5Q020546 (8.12.10/2.04); Sat, 24 Apr 2004 15:13:25 +0200 (MEST) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 15:03:58 +0200 (BST) From: Johan Heuseveldt Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: FontFix 0.07 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-No-Markup: yes X-Organization: Waarland & Echteweide (Realfieldt), the Netherlands X-Url: X-Bar: ------------------------------------------------------------------- X-Platform: RISC OS (Reduced Instruction Set Computer Operating System) X-Platform2: now running RISC OS 4 Select 3i3 [4.37] X-System: Acorn RiscPC 600 X-Processor: StrongARM 110 on my first RiscPC (RPC1) X-Wishes: RISCOS Ltd succeeding in the continues development of RISC OS X-Bar: ------------------------------------------------------------------- X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, On Fri 23 Apr, Brian Howlett wrote: > David Pilling mentioned: > > What I do is reply with a changed subject when I want to start a new > > thread, because I can't remember the address for the software list. > > It's softwarelist@davidpilling.net - why not put it in your address > book? Or just click on it! :-) greetings, Johan -- Johan Heuseveldt aka waarland The best place is a Riscy place Yield to temptation, it may not pass your way again. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Apr 27 16:55:17 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BICic-0001wP-6A-0001x6."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 16:55:17 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BICic-0001wP-6A; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 20:28:48 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BICic-0001wP-6A; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 20:28:46 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BICic-0003DE-Dt; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 20:28:46 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BICi1-0003Ya-Jp; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 21:28:09 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i3QKRQ825479 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 21:27:26 +0100 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.189]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i3QKRQj25475 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 21:27:26 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.207] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BIChJ-00070m-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 22:27:25 +0200 Received: from [62.246.40.66] (helo=bach) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BIChJ-0008Lm-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 22:27:25 +0200 Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 22:27:06 +0200 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] FontFix 0.07 Message-ID: <6f66d9a54c.martin@mw-software.com> References: <4.2.0.58.20040421115819.00954760@pop.ntlworld.com> <4.2.0.58.20040421115819.00954760@pop.ntlworld.com> <4.2.0.58.20040422070202.0094f2e0@pop.ntlworld.com> <69a540a44c.ralph_valmai@ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: <69a540a44c.ralph_valmai@ntlworld.com> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.05) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <69a540a44c.ralph_valmai@ntlworld.com> ralph_valmai@ntlworld.com wrote: > And, while I am putting finger to keyboard, is there a 32 bit version > of the CC GDraw module? Yes, but if you have got a 32-bit OS then you will find that the 32-bit version of GDraw is already installed on your hard disc anyway. RISC OS 5 comes with AWViewer installed in !Boot.Resources. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Apr 27 21:55:01 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BIZZA-0005Ka-Pm-0005L7."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 21:55:01 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BIZZA-0005Ka-Pm; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 20:52:33 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BIZZA-0005Ka-Pm; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 20:52:32 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BIZZA-00053G-QK; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 20:52:32 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BIZYv-0002V2-2r; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 21:52:17 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i3RKpIZ21433 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 21:51:18 +0100 Received: from colossus.systems.pipex.net (colossus.systems.pipex.net [62.241.160.73]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i3RKpIC21427 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 21:51:18 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from RiscPC (81-178-239-15.dsl.pipex.com [81.178.239.15]) by colossus.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D27A51C008F5 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 21:51:17 +0100 (BST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 21:22:26 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: FontFix 0.07 Message-ID: <4ca65ccee5steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> In-Reply-To: References: <4.2.0.58.20040421115819.00954760@pop.ntlworld.com> <4.2.0.58.20040421115819.00954760@pop.ntlworld.com> <4.2.0.58.20040422070202.0094f2e0@pop.ntlworld.com> <4ca40b417cbric@f2s.com> User-Agent: Pluto/2.05-a1 (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.04-pre2 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 23 Apr, Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: > Might Turnpike have that facility? I think the politest comment about Turnpike would be that it isn't Outlook. BTW. I think the threading is done from *either* references or In-reply-To header lines. I think the more primitive readers do tend to work on subject line. -- No Rugby Airport, and good riddance to what never was... Steve Pampling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Apr 28 14:39:16 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BIjk3-00069L-Il-0006AH."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 14:39:16 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BIjk3-00069L-Il; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 07:44:28 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BIjk3-00069L-Il; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 07:44:27 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BIjk3-0005np-Kj; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 07:44:27 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BIjjU-0004Ui-Qg; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 08:43:52 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i3S7gwC30922 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 08:42:58 +0100 Received: from smarthost4.mail.uk.easynet.net (smarthost4.mail.uk.easynet.net [212.135.6.14]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i3S7gvT30919 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 08:42:57 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from tnt-18-176.easynet.co.uk ([212.134.224.176] helo=alfchamings.ukonline.co.uk) by smarthost4.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 1BIjiZ-000MDX-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 08:42:56 +0100 Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 09:31:12 +0100 (BST) From: Alf Chamings Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: FontFix 0.07 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,DATE_IN_PAST_12_24,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION, IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Fri 23 Apr, Brian Howlett wrote: > > On 23 Apr, Bruce Goatly wrote: > > [snip] > > > > In mailing lists there is no References: header. Messenger seems to > > thread off the In-Reply-To: header. > > Your software does not appear to supply a References: header, but all > the other articles I have checked in this thread do. > > > Whenever I want to start a new thread I reply to an existing one, chop > > out the In-Reply-To: header, delete the message and start a new > > subject. Messy, but it works. > > > Messy, certainly. Necessary? Not really. Just send an email to > softwarelist@davidpilling.net to start a new thread. Isn't the easiest way just to click on the reply to address in any previous message to the list. That seems to produce a completely new message here using Marcel with Zap. Alf -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Apr 28 14:39:18 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BIjyC-0001mX-DT-0001n2."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 14:39:18 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BIjyC-0001mX-DT; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 07:59:04 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BIjyC-0001mX-DT; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 07:59:04 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BIjyB-0006i7-U4; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 07:59:03 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BIjxw-0000nC-Md; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 08:58:48 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i3S7vum01442 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 08:57:56 +0100 Received: from smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.7]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i3S7vtj01439 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 08:57:55 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from RPC ([82.43.89.67]) by smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Wed, 28 Apr 2004 08:57:56 +0100 Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 08:57:09 +0100 From: Bruce Goatly To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: FontFix 0.07 Message-ID: <5c699ca64c%ovation@goatly.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Perfect Page X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b User-Agent: POPstar/2.05 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Apr 2004 07:57:56.0742 (UTC) FILETIME=[845C1260:01C42CF6] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message Alf Chamings wrote: > Isn't the easiest way just to click on the reply to address in any previous > message to the list. That seems to produce a completely new message here > using Marcel with Zap. Absolutely right, Alf. Odd how one overlooks the obvious...! Bruce -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Apr 28 14:39:20 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BIkeF-0007ck-Rx-0007dX."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 14:39:20 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BIkeF-0007ck-Rx; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 08:42:32 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BIkeF-0007ck-Rx; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 08:42:31 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BIkeF-0002f2-DQ; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 08:42:31 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BIkdz-0006Li-5r; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 09:42:15 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i3S8fRV13959 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 09:41:27 +0100 Received: from roma.localnet (pD95DB8DA.dip.t-dialin.net [217.93.184.218]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i3S8fQ413956 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 09:41:26 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [192.168.0.105] (helo=iyonix) by roma.localnet with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1BIkdB-0005KN-00 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 10:41:25 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Bellon To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 10:41:31 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: FontFix 0.07 Message-ID: <4ca6a07953sbellon@sbellon.de> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.05) POPstar/2.05 X-Request-PGP: http://www.sbellon.de/gpg.asc X-PGP-ID: 05360CB9 / 55DB 48FE BA59 7BA0 2B9D 4822 38C5 EC21 0536 0CB9 X-URL: http://www.sbellon.de/ Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Alf Chamings wrote: > Isn't the easiest way just to click on the reply to address in any > previous message to the list. That seems to produce a completely new > message here using Marcel with Zap. I haven't used Marcel for ages, but are you sure that no "Reference" header is inserted to the message you selected? "Reply" sounds like it really is a reply to that message, hence I would assume that a Reference header is added. But of course, I could be wrong. -- Stefan Bellon -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Apr 28 14:39:25 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BImqR-0001bV-Ah-0001cD."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 14:39:25 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BImqR-0001bV-Ah; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 11:03:16 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BImqR-0001bV-Ah; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 11:03:15 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BImqR-0003ci-31; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 11:03:15 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BImqA-000623-NR; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 12:02:58 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i3SB25I29512 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 12:02:05 +0100 Received: from smtp30.hccnet.nl (smtp30.hccnet.nl [62.251.0.40]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i3SB24V29509 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 12:02:04 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from rpc2.ethernet by smtp30.hccnet.nl via fia102-21-100.dsl.hccnet.nl [80.100.21.102] with SMTP for id i3SB23XZ002747 (8.12.10/2.04); Wed, 28 Apr 2004 13:02:03 +0200 (MEST) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 12:59:55 +0200 (BST) From: Johan Heuseveldt Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: FontFix 0.07 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net In-Reply-To: <4ca6a07953sbellon@sbellon.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-No-Markup: yes X-Organization: Waarland & Echteweide (Realfieldt), the Netherlands X-Url: X-Bar: ------------------------------------------------------------------- X-Platform: RISC OS (Reduced Instruction Set Computer Operating System) X-Platform2: now running RISC OS 4 Select 3i3 [4.37] X-System: Acorn RiscPC 600 X-Processor: StrongARM 110 on my first RiscPC (RPC1) X-Wishes: RISCOS Ltd succeeding in the continues development of RISC OS X-Bar: ------------------------------------------------------------------- X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi Stefan, On Wed 28 Apr, Stefan Bellon wrote: > Alf Chamings wrote: > > Isn't the easiest way just to click on the reply to address in any > > previous message to the list. That seems to produce a completely new > > message here using Marcel with Zap. > > I haven't used Marcel for ages, but are you sure that no "Reference" > header is inserted to the message you selected? "Reply" sounds like it > really is a reply to that message, hence I would assume that a > Reference header is added. But of course, I could be wrong. I think you are. I use the Marcel/Zap too, and any email address - reckognised as such - clicked on, will generate a /new/ message. Alf meaned an actual email address as 'text'. One of the places to find one is after a 'Reply-To:'. Don't get alarmed by the expression 'reply to', as it has nothing to do with replying at all! :-))) That's why I wrote before: On Sat 24 Apr, Johan Heuseveldt wrote: > On Fri 23 Apr, Brian Howlett wrote: > > David Pilling mentioned: > > > > What I do is reply with a changed subject when I want to start a new > > > thread, because I can't remember the address for the software list. > > > > It's softwarelist@davidpilling.net - why not put it in your address > > book? > > Or just click on it! :-) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ greetings, Johan -- Johan Heuseveldt aka waarland The best place is a Riscy place Heroism is endurance for one moment more. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Apr 29 13:27:54 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BJ81J-00013W-Rg-000144."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 13:27:54 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BJ81J-00013W-Rg; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 09:39:54 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BJ81J-00013W-Rg; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 09:39:53 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BJ81J-0007H8-Du; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 09:39:53 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BJ813-00044I-C4; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 10:39:37 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i3T9cVT04808 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 10:38:31 +0100 Received: from mta08-svc.ntlworld.com (mta08-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.48]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i3T9cUR04804 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 10:38:30 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from ntlworld.com ([62.253.40.35]) by mta08-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20040429093834.BPTO4673.mta08-svc.ntlworld.com@ntlworld.com> for ; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 10:38:34 +0100 Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 10:39:03 +0100 From: To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] OvPro and fonts Message-ID: X-Organization: JaySoft User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.05) POPstar/2.04-pre2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,NO_REAL_NAME,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) When I load some of my documents OPro tells me that they use a font that is not present. The font in question used to be used in the document but isn't anymore. This is probably confirmed by the fact that I am not offered a temporary or otherwise substitution of the font. Is there a way I can edit my files so that this message doesn't appear. JayCee -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Apr 29 13:47:48 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BJAvr-00017T-O2-000187."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 13:47:48 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BJAvr-00017T-O2; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 12:46:28 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BJAvr-00017T-O2; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 12:46:27 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BJAvr-0000ZA-3J; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 12:46:27 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BJAvJ-0007Mj-0F; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 13:45:53 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i3TCjL529227 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 13:45:21 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i3TCjKb29219 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 13:45:20 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BJAum-000COX-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 13:45:20 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 13:43:57 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvPro and fonts References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >When I load some of my documents OPro tells me that they use a font that >is not present. >The font in question used to be used in the document but isn't anymore. >This is probably confirmed by the fact that I am not offered a temporary >or otherwise substitution of the font. >Is there a way I can edit my files so that this message doesn't appear. There is a bug where OP loses count of the times fonts are used - result it asks for fonts which are no longer used. I'm a bit surprised you say you're not offered the choice of temporary substitution or replacement, since that occurs only when loading Ovation 1 documents. What can you do... save as DDL and reload springs to mind. I'm about to commit the usual sin of saying "this has been discussed before" - thought occurs to me, maybe I should have the mail list archives all nicely indexed and at my finger tips. Does anyone know of software that does this well? The general feeling about this is unhappiness. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Apr 29 18:18:01 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BJF8Y-0003xB-G3-0003xs."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 18:18:01 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BJF8Y-0003xB-G3; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 17:15:51 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BJF8Y-0003xB-G3; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 17:15:50 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BJF8Y-000738-P0; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 17:15:50 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BJF8I-0007jV-AZ; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 18:15:34 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i3THF4211794 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 18:15:04 +0100 Received: from outmail.freedom2surf.net (i-194-106-33-237.freedom2surf.net [194.106.33.237]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i3THF3q11788 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 18:15:04 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from wallace (i-195-137-110-177.freedom2surf.net [195.137.110.177]) by outmail.freedom2surf.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i3THF3U9002216 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 18:15:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Brian Carroll To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 17:57:29 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro and fonts Message-ID: <4ca751b73bbric@f2s.com> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.39) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , David Pilling wrote: [Snip] > .... thought occurs to me, maybe I should have the mail list > archives all nicely indexed and at my finger tips. Does anyone > know of software that does this well? Pluto was designed for this job. You never know, you might like it better than Turnpike and start using it for your routine email as well :-) You can get a trial version from http://home.clara.net/jsd/ . A user manual is at http://www.avisoft.force9.co.uk/Pluto.htm . Brian. -- ______________________________________________________________ Brian Carroll, Ripon, North Yorkshire, UK bric at f2s dot com ______________________________________________________________ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Apr 29 21:38:11 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BJIHl-0002ak-NM-0002b2."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 21:38:11 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BJIHl-0002ak-NM; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 20:37:33 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BJIHl-0002ak-NM; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 20:37:33 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BJIHl-0006U8-2E; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 20:37:33 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BJIHF-00031F-Jl; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 21:37:01 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i3TKaUL16503 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 21:36:30 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i3TKaTQ16499 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 21:36:29 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BJIGi-000McQ-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 21:36:29 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 21:35:23 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro and fonts References: <4ca751b73bbric@f2s.com> In-Reply-To: <4ca751b73bbric@f2s.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >From: Qercus editor On 29 Apr, David Pilling wrote: > I'm about to commit the usual sin of saying "this has been discussed > before" - thought occurs to me, maybe I should have the mail list > archives all nicely indexed and at my finger tips. Does anyone know of > software that does this well? Start reading at p 23 of this month's Qercus. Pluto has so much to offer for exactly that job. -- John Cartmell editor Qercus - editor@qercus.com www.qercus.com Qercus: a fusion of Acorn Publisher & Acorn User magazines one magazine for graphics & design - one magazine for all RISC OS users Finnybank Ltd 30 Finnybank Rd Sale M33 6LR == 0161 969 9820 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Apr 30 01:48:20 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BJM4k-0003Ok-68-0003PO."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 30 Apr 2004 01:48:20 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BJM4k-0003Ok-68; Fri, 30 Apr 2004 00:40:23 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BJM4k-0003Ok-68; Fri, 30 Apr 2004 00:40:22 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BJM4k-0004y9-NJ; Fri, 30 Apr 2004 00:40:22 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BJM4G-0001CB-3L; Fri, 30 Apr 2004 01:39:52 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i3U0dKF18729 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 30 Apr 2004 01:39:20 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i3U0dK418726 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2004 01:39:20 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BJM3j-000CE3-0W for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 30 Apr 2004 01:39:19 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 01:38:05 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] FontFix 0.07 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >He's on the case, watch this space... Right, the fixed version of SpecialFX is available from; This is the fixed version of the fixed version - i.e. an update on what was announced on comp.sys.acorn earlier this week - e.g. this one is linked with StubsG so will work on 26 bit systems without the 32 bit C libraries. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net