From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Mon Mar 1 13:57:34 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AxlQB-0002ZV-SG-0002aD."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Mon, 1 Mar 2004 13:57:34 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AxlQB-0002ZV-SG; Mon, 01 Mar 2004 11:17:16 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AxlQB-0002ZV-SG; Mon, 01 Mar 2004 11:17:15 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AxlQB-0000uG-I9; Mon, 01 Mar 2004 11:17:15 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1AxlPy-0006wj-UF; Mon, 01 Mar 2004 11:17:02 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i21BGE306183 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 1 Mar 2004 11:16:14 GMT Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i21BGEj06179 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 2004 11:16:14 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from tasc.demon.co.uk ([80.177.23.190] helo=tasc) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AxlPB-00096J-0X for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 01 Mar 2004 11:16:13 +0000 Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 11:07:51 GMT From: Philip Ingram To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Message-ID: X-Organization: Not Much User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/4.37) POPstar/2.03 Subject: [softwarelist] ?Minimise to pinboard broken in OP 2.73 (27 Feb 04) X-Editor: Zap 1.45 (06 Nov 2002), ZapEmail 0.26 (03 Nov 2002) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) With OP 2.73 (27 Feb 04), neither "Select" on the Iconise control nor "Adjust" on the Close Window control have the desired effect. A quick check with OP 2.67 shows that the controls worked as expected on that version. Other applications (e.g. Messenger Pro) running at the same time as OP will Iconise to the Pinboard. Apologies if I have missed a configuration option. Regards, Philip -- Philip Ingram mailto:prpi@tasc.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Mon Mar 1 13:57:37 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AxlaK-0001Bo-Ss-0001CR."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Mon, 1 Mar 2004 13:57:37 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AxlaK-0001Bo-Ss; Mon, 01 Mar 2004 11:27:45 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AxlaK-0001Bo-Ss; Mon, 01 Mar 2004 11:27:44 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AxlaK-00063M-Md; Mon, 01 Mar 2004 11:27:44 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1AxlaF-0007fV-As; Mon, 01 Mar 2004 11:27:39 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i21BRV613832 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 1 Mar 2004 11:27:31 GMT Received: from server.si-plan.com (i-195-137-105-11.freedom2surf.net [195.137.105.11]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i21BRUj13821 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 2004 11:27:30 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from server1.siplan (server1.siplan [192.168.0.1]) by server.si-plan.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A75914269 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 2004 11:39:59 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sw2.siplan ([192.168.0.249]) by server1.siplan (MailMonitor for SMTP v1.2.2 ) ; Mon, 1 Mar 2004 11:39:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dward by si-plan.com with local (RemoteNB 1.56beta3) for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; 01 Mar 2004 11:28:15 +0000 Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 11:28:15 GMT From: To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] ?Minimise to pinboard broken in OP 2.73 (27 Feb 04) Message-ID: <2941d1884c.dward@si-plan.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Si-Plan Electronics Research Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (RemoteNB/1.56beta3) (RISC-OS/4.38) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message Philip Ingram wrote: > With OP 2.73 (27 Feb 04), neither "Select" on the Iconise control nor > "Adjust" on the Close Window control have the desired effect. They seem to work here. Although I'm running select/adjust on ROM I do not think this would be the problem. Try a re-boot, then run Ovation Pro only and see if that works. If this does then run other software on our machine until it stops working as it might be third party software interferring. Dave -- Dave Ward Software Engineer Si-Plan Electronics Research Ltd +44 (0) 1789 205849 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Mon Mar 1 13:57:50 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Axm0h-0000Co-PW-0000Do."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Mon, 1 Mar 2004 13:57:50 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Axm0h-0000Co-PW; Mon, 01 Mar 2004 11:55:01 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Axm0h-0000Co-PW; Mon, 01 Mar 2004 11:54:59 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Axm0h-0001q2-Na; Mon, 01 Mar 2004 11:54:59 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Axm0d-0001Ra-EJ; Mon, 01 Mar 2004 11:54:55 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i21BslK05522 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 1 Mar 2004 11:54:47 GMT Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i21BskD05517 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 2004 11:54:46 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from tasc.demon.co.uk ([80.177.23.190] helo=tasc) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Axm0U-0002Jj-0b for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 01 Mar 2004 11:54:46 +0000 Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 11:50:45 GMT From: Philip Ingram To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] ?Minimise to pinboard broken in OP 2.73 (27 Feb 04) Message-ID: <6d50d3884c.prpi@tasc.demon.co.uk> References: <2941d1884c.dward@si-plan.com> In-Reply-To: <2941d1884c.dward@si-plan.com> X-Organization: Not Much User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/4.37) POPstar/2.03 X-Editor: Zap 1.45 (06 Nov 2002), ZapEmail 0.26 (03 Nov 2002) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <2941d1884c.dward@si-plan.com> daveward@utlabs.com wrote: > In message > Philip Ingram wrote: > > > With OP 2.73 (27 Feb 04), neither "Select" on the Iconise control nor > > "Adjust" on the Close Window control have the desired effect. > > They seem to work here. Although I'm running select/adjust on ROM I do not > think this would be the problem. Try a re-boot, then run Ovation Pro only > and see if that works. If this does then run other software on our > machine until it stops working as it might be third party software > interferring. > > > Dave > Dave, Thanks for the rapid response. I have rebooted but the same thing happens. Since the orginal post, I have found that most of my documents do iconise but Murphy's Law dictates that the one I am dealing with at present won't. When documents successfully iconise, they don't appear in the "Documents" list off the iconbar menu but can be recovered from the pinboard. The document that has been unsuccessfully iconised appears greyed out in the list of documents with "view document" and "discard document" also greyed out. When I close OP, I'm told that there is a modified document but there is no apparent way to get at it. I'm running 4.37 on a StrongArm RiscPC. Regards, Philip -- Philip Ingram mailto:prpi@tasc.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Mon Mar 1 13:57:52 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AxmAk-0006gv-OA-0006hr."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Mon, 1 Mar 2004 13:57:52 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AxmAk-0006gv-OA; Mon, 01 Mar 2004 12:05:23 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AxmAk-0006gv-OA; Mon, 01 Mar 2004 12:05:22 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AxmAk-0004l2-9q; Mon, 01 Mar 2004 12:05:22 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1AxmAe-00007e-BX; Mon, 01 Mar 2004 12:05:16 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i21C4cT13999 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 1 Mar 2004 12:04:38 GMT Received: from server.si-plan.com (i-195-137-105-11.freedom2surf.net [195.137.105.11]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i21C4YT13940 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 2004 12:04:34 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from server1.siplan (news.siplan [192.168.0.1]) by server.si-plan.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C403614269 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 2004 12:17:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sw2.siplan ([192.168.0.249]) by server1.siplan (MailMonitor for SMTP v1.2.2 ) ; Mon, 1 Mar 2004 12:17:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dward by si-plan.com with local (RemoteNB 1.56beta3) for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; 01 Mar 2004 12:05:19 +0000 Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 12:05:19 GMT From: To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] ?Minimise to pinboard broken in OP 2.73 (27 Feb 04) Message-ID: References: <2941d1884c.dward@si-plan.com> <6d50d3884c.prpi@tasc.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <6d50d3884c.prpi@tasc.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Si-Plan Electronics Research Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (RemoteNB/1.56beta3) (RISC-OS/4.38) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <6d50d3884c.prpi@tasc.demon.co.uk> Philip Ingram wrote: > In message <2941d1884c.dward@si-plan.com> > daveward@utlabs.com wrote: > > > In message > > Philip Ingram wrote: > > > > > With OP 2.73 (27 Feb 04), neither "Select" on the Iconise control nor > > > "Adjust" on the Close Window control have the desired effect. > > > > They seem to work here. Although I'm running select/adjust on ROM I do not > > think this would be the problem. Try a re-boot, then run Ovation Pro only > > and see if that works. If this does then run other software on our > > machine until it stops working as it might be third party software > > interferring. > > > > > > Dave > > > > Dave, > > Thanks for the rapid response. I have rebooted but the same thing happens. > > Since the orginal post, I have found that most of my documents do iconise but > Murphy's Law dictates that the one I am dealing with at present won't. When > documents successfully iconise, they don't appear in the "Documents" list off > the iconbar menu but can be recovered from the pinboard. The document that > has been unsuccessfully iconised appears greyed out in the list of documents > with "view document" and "discard document" also greyed out. When I close OP, > I'm told that there is a modified document but there is no apparent way to > get at it. Have you got ant punctuation in the filename of the file you are trying to iconise? And how long is the filename? If you save the file using a different name e.g. 'test', does it still refuse to iconise. In 1.73 a change was made to the filename system looking at the history file which might be causing your problem. Dave -- Dave Ward Software Engineer Si-Plan Electronics Research Ltd +44 (0) 1789 205849 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Mon Mar 1 13:57:55 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Axmwr-0006ep-Fm-0006fY."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Mon, 1 Mar 2004 13:57:55 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Axmwr-0006ep-Fm; Mon, 01 Mar 2004 12:55:06 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Axmwr-0006ep-Fm; Mon, 01 Mar 2004 12:55:05 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Axmwr-00022a-Gm; Mon, 01 Mar 2004 12:55:05 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Axmwg-0007YP-6E; Mon, 01 Mar 2004 12:54:54 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i21Csmm15105 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 1 Mar 2004 12:54:48 GMT Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i21CskT15095 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 2004 12:54:46 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from tasc.demon.co.uk ([80.177.23.190] helo=tasc) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AxmwY-000C9k-0U; Mon, 01 Mar 2004 12:54:46 +0000 Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 12:40:55 GMT From: Philip Ingram To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Cc: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] ?Minimise to pinboard broken in OP 2.73 (27 Feb 04) Message-ID: <4ae8d7884c.prpi@tasc.demon.co.uk> References: <2941d1884c.dward@si-plan.com> <6d50d3884c.prpi@tasc.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Not Much User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/4.37) POPstar/2.03 X-Editor: Zap 1.45 (06 Nov 2002), ZapEmail 0.26 (03 Nov 2002) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message daveward@utlabs.com wrote: > In message <6d50d3884c.prpi@tasc.demon.co.uk> > Philip Ingram wrote: > > > In message <2941d1884c.dward@si-plan.com> > > daveward@utlabs.com wrote: > > > > > In message > > > Philip Ingram wrote: > > > > > > > With OP 2.73 (27 Feb 04), neither "Select" on the Iconise control nor > > > > "Adjust" on the Close Window control have the desired effect. > > > > > > They seem to work here. Although I'm running select/adjust on ROM I do not > > > think this would be the problem. Try a re-boot, then run Ovation Pro only > > > and see if that works. If this does then run other software on our > > > machine until it stops working as it might be third party software > > > interferring. > > > > > > > > > Dave > > > > > > > Dave, > > > > Thanks for the rapid response. I have rebooted but the same thing happens. > > > > Since the orginal post, I have found that most of my documents do iconise but > > Murphy's Law dictates that the one I am dealing with at present won't. When > > documents successfully iconise, they don't appear in the "Documents" list off > > the iconbar menu but can be recovered from the pinboard. The document that > > has been unsuccessfully iconised appears greyed out in the list of documents > > with "view document" and "discard document" also greyed out. When I close OP, > > I'm told that there is a modified document but there is no apparent way to > > get at it. > > Have you got ant punctuation in the filename of the file you are trying to > iconise? And how long is the filename? > > If you save the file using a different name e.g. 'test', does it still > refuse to iconise. In 1.73 a change was made to the filename system > looking at the history file which might be causing your problem. > > Dave > Congratulations! The file names are of the form ABC1234aXY. The base file won't iconise. If I save it as ABC1234aX and then iconise, it works. Saving it as ABC1234aXZ and iconising fails. Having been brought up on IBM OS/360 (none of this modern /370 stuff 8-} ), 8 character file names are something I have had to unlearn but it seems a shame if the 8 character file name is back again. Regards, Philip -- Philip Ingram mailto:prpi@tasc.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Mon Mar 1 14:17:26 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Axo6X-0004Ou-4c-0004SQ."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Mon, 1 Mar 2004 14:17:26 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Axo6X-0004Ou-4c; Mon, 01 Mar 2004 14:09:10 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Axo6X-0004Ou-4c; Mon, 01 Mar 2004 14:09:09 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Axo6X-0001ur-5M; Mon, 01 Mar 2004 14:09:09 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Axo6T-0001YC-NF; Mon, 01 Mar 2004 14:09:05 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i21E8so10548 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 1 Mar 2004 14:08:54 GMT Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i21E8sp10542 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 2004 14:08:54 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Axo6H-000Pgk-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 01 Mar 2004 14:08:53 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 14:07:37 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] ?Minimise to pinboard broken in OP 2.73 (27 Feb 04) References: <2941d1884c.dward@si-plan.com> <6d50d3884c.prpi@tasc.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <6d50d3884c.prpi@tasc.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >the iconbar menu but can be recovered from the pinboard. The document that >has been unsuccessfully iconised appears greyed out in the list of documents >with "view document" and "discard document" also greyed out. When I close OP, >I'm told that there is a modified document but there is no apparent way to >get at it. Iconising is a pure OS thing. ISTR the application thinks the window has been pushed behind the pinboard (maybe F12, rmkill pinboard would get at the lost document) or off screen. So at the end of all this, is it an OP problem, or one that applies to any app. with a sufficiently odd filename? -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Mon Mar 1 14:37:27 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AxoRk-0002QC-LS-0002R8."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Mon, 1 Mar 2004 14:37:27 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AxoRk-0002QC-LS; Mon, 01 Mar 2004 14:31:05 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AxoRk-0002QC-LS; Mon, 01 Mar 2004 14:31:04 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AxoRk-0003QY-Cs; Mon, 01 Mar 2004 14:31:04 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1AxoRW-0005Hk-W2; Mon, 01 Mar 2004 14:30:50 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i21EUac27704 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 1 Mar 2004 14:30:36 GMT Received: from server.si-plan.com (i-195-137-105-11.freedom2surf.net [195.137.105.11]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i21EUXk27675 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 2004 14:30:34 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from server1.siplan (post.siplan [192.168.0.1]) by server.si-plan.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DED5014265 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 2004 14:43:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sw2.siplan ([192.168.0.249]) by server1.siplan (MailMonitor for SMTP v1.2.2 ) ; Mon, 1 Mar 2004 14:43:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dward by si-plan.com with local (RemoteNB 1.56beta3) for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; 01 Mar 2004 14:31:19 +0000 Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 14:31:18 GMT From: To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] ?Minimise to pinboard broken in OP 2.73 (27 Feb 04) Message-ID: <6903e2884c.dward@si-plan.com> References: <2941d1884c.dward@si-plan.com> <6d50d3884c.prpi@tasc.demon.co.uk> <4ae8d7884c.prpi@tasc.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4ae8d7884c.prpi@tasc.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Si-Plan Electronics Research Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (RemoteNB/1.56beta3) (RISC-OS/4.38) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4ae8d7884c.prpi@tasc.demon.co.uk> Philip Ingram wrote: > In message > daveward@utlabs.com wrote: > > > In message <6d50d3884c.prpi@tasc.demon.co.uk> > > Philip Ingram wrote: > > snip 8< ------ > > > > Have you got ant punctuation in the filename of the file you are trying to > > iconise? And how long is the filename? > > > > If you save the file using a different name e.g. 'test', does it still > > refuse to iconise. In 1.73 a change was made to the filename system > > looking at the history file which might be causing your problem. > > > > Dave > > > > Congratulations! > > The file names are of the form ABC1234aXY. The base file won't iconise. If > I save it as ABC1234aX and then iconise, it works. Saving it as ABC1234aXZ > and iconising fails. > > Having been brought up on IBM OS/360 (none of this modern /370 stuff 8-} ), 8 > character file names are something I have had to unlearn but it seems a shame > if the 8 character file name is back again. It seems again to work here. I created a blank text file and a blank OvationPro file with the filename 'ABC1234aXZ', both iconised. I even tried a 15 character name and that iconised correctly by truncating the filename to 10 characters under the icon for display purposes only. Dave -- Dave Ward Software Engineer Si-Plan Electronics Research Ltd +44 (0) 1789 205849 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Mon Mar 1 14:57:28 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AxoqX-0004l8-Na-0004ln."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Mon, 1 Mar 2004 14:57:28 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AxoqX-0004l8-Na; Mon, 01 Mar 2004 14:56:42 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AxoqX-0004l8-Na; Mon, 01 Mar 2004 14:56:41 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AxoqW-0006YX-Vt; Mon, 01 Mar 2004 14:56:41 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Axoq2-00020F-Fx; Mon, 01 Mar 2004 14:56:10 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i21Etwi12067 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 1 Mar 2004 14:55:58 GMT Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.185]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i21EtvT12061 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 2004 14:55:57 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.162] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Axopo-0005Ox-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 01 Mar 2004 15:55:56 +0100 Received: from [172.176.254.15] (helo=bach) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Axopo-0003bO-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 01 Mar 2004 15:55:56 +0100 Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 15:54:44 +0100 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] ?Minimise to pinboard broken in OP 2.73 (27 Feb 04) Message-ID: References: <2941d1884c.dward@si-plan.com> <6d50d3884c.prpi@tasc.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.05) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message David Pilling wrote: > > the iconbar menu but can be recovered from the pinboard. The document > > that has been unsuccessfully iconised appears greyed out in the list > > of documents with "view document" and "discard document" also greyed > > out. When I close OP, I'm told that there is a modified document but > > there is no apparent way to get at it. > > Iconising is a pure OS thing. It can be, but are you sure OP is not responding to WindowInfo (0x400cc) messages from the iconiser? Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Mon Mar 1 18:17:38 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Axru9-0002CC-Be-0002D0."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Mon, 1 Mar 2004 18:17:38 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Axru9-0002CC-Be; Mon, 01 Mar 2004 18:12:38 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Axru9-0002CC-Be; Mon, 01 Mar 2004 18:12:37 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Axru9-0002wZ-E4; Mon, 01 Mar 2004 18:12:37 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1AxrtN-0002FJ-7D; Mon, 01 Mar 2004 18:11:49 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i21IBd813002 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 1 Mar 2004 18:11:39 GMT Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i21IBcB12999 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 2004 18:11:38 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from tasc.demon.co.uk ([80.177.23.190] helo=tasc) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AxrtC-00065C-0X for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 01 Mar 2004 18:11:38 +0000 Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 18:11:16 GMT From: Philip Ingram To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] ?Minimise to pinboard broken in OP 2.73 (27 Feb 04) Message-ID: <9c26f6884c.prpi@tasc.demon.co.uk> References: <2941d1884c.dward@si-plan.com> <6d50d3884c.prpi@tasc.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Not Much User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/4.37) POPstar/2.03 X-Editor: Zap 1.45 (06 Nov 2002), ZapEmail 0.26 (03 Nov 2002) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message David Pilling wrote: > >the iconbar menu but can be recovered from the pinboard. The document that > >has been unsuccessfully iconised appears greyed out in the list of documents > >with "view document" and "discard document" also greyed out. When I close OP, > >I'm told that there is a modified document but there is no apparent way to > >get at it. > > Iconising is a pure OS thing. ISTR the application thinks the window has > been pushed behind the pinboard (maybe F12, rmkill pinboard would get at > the lost document) or off screen. > > So at the end of all this, is it an OP problem, or one that applies to > any app. with a sufficiently odd filename? > > In OP, I create a new document, type in "Rhubarb" and save it to the RAM disk with the name CWT8765aIP. When iconised, this appears on the pinboard. I reactivate the document and save to the RAM disk with the name CWT8765aOP. Whne iconised, this file does not appear on the pinboard. The documents that have failed to be iconised appear greyed out in the OP document list. The same process in Impression Publisher 4.11 yields the same result, with the critical difference that the non-iconised documents can be found through "New View". !Draw behaves the same. All the eviddence therefore suggests that this is an OS problem, perhaps in Pinboard 0.96. Time to try the bug reporting process. Many thanks for helping to run down the problem. Regards, Philip -- Philip Ingram mailto:prpi@tasc.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Mon Mar 1 18:17:39 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Axryo-0005EJ-C5-0005Ep."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Mon, 1 Mar 2004 18:17:39 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Axryo-0005EJ-C5; Mon, 01 Mar 2004 18:17:27 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Axryo-0005EJ-C5; Mon, 01 Mar 2004 18:17:26 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Axryo-000391-Id; Mon, 01 Mar 2004 18:17:26 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Axryl-0006UG-KL; Mon, 01 Mar 2004 18:17:23 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i21IHIc16110 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 1 Mar 2004 18:17:18 GMT Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i21IHHb16107 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 2004 18:17:17 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Axryf-000Fkz-0V for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 01 Mar 2004 18:17:17 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 18:15:47 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] ?Minimise to pinboard broken in OP 2.73 (27 Feb 04) References: <2941d1884c.dward@si-plan.com> <6d50d3884c.prpi@tasc.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >> Iconising is a pure OS thing. >It can be, but are you sure OP is not responding to WindowInfo (0x400cc) >messages from the iconiser? OK, it was a rash assertion, but I've never written code to respond to this message, so what I said stands 8-) -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Mar 2 00:17:56 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AxxSg-0003L5-D6-0003Lo."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 2 Mar 2004 00:17:56 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AxxSg-0003L5-D6; Tue, 02 Mar 2004 00:08:38 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AxxSg-0003L5-D6; Tue, 02 Mar 2004 00:08:38 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AxxSf-0001X3-Sv; Tue, 02 Mar 2004 00:08:37 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1AxxSb-0003R1-Av; Tue, 02 Mar 2004 00:08:33 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i2207iJ24132 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 2 Mar 2004 00:07:44 GMT Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i2207hV24125 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 2004 00:07:43 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AxxRm-0007kW-0Y for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 02 Mar 2004 00:07:43 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 23:17:20 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] ?Minimise to pinboard broken in OP 2.73 (27 Feb 04) Message-ID: <4c89122c34Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4ae8d7884c.prpi@tasc.demon.co.uk> References: <2941d1884c.dward@si-plan.com> <6d50d3884c.prpi@tasc.demon.co.uk> <4ae8d7884c.prpi@tasc.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4ae8d7884c.prpi@tasc.demon.co.uk>, Philip Ingram wrote: > Having been brought up on IBM OS/360 (none of this modern /370 stuff > 8-} ), 8 character file names are something I have had to unlearn Surely 44 characters there? -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Mar 2 13:56:43 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ay6Fr-0004mx-5l-0004nl."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 2 Mar 2004 13:56:43 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ay6Fr-0004mx-5l; Tue, 02 Mar 2004 09:32:00 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ay6Fr-0004mx-5l; Tue, 02 Mar 2004 09:31:59 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ay6Fr-0000Et-Ht; Tue, 02 Mar 2004 09:31:59 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Ay6FC-0004Cz-G9; Tue, 02 Mar 2004 09:31:18 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i229V3F09979 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 2 Mar 2004 09:31:03 GMT Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i229Utu09903 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 2004 09:30:55 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from tasc.demon.co.uk ([80.177.23.190] helo=tasc) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Ay6Eo-000Ake-0V; Tue, 02 Mar 2004 09:30:54 +0000 Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 09:18:35 GMT From: Philip Ingram To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Cc: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] ?Minimise to pinboard broken in OP 2.73 (27 Feb 04) Message-ID: <1e3849894c.prpi@tasc.demon.co.uk> References: <2941d1884c.dward@si-plan.com> <6d50d3884c.prpi@tasc.demon.co.uk> <4ae8d7884c.prpi@tasc.demon.co.uk> <4c89122c34Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4c89122c34Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Not Much User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/4.37) POPstar/2.03 X-Editor: Zap 1.45 (06 Nov 2002), ZapEmail 0.26 (03 Nov 2002) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4c89122c34Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> Jeremy C B Nicoll wrote: > In article <4ae8d7884c.prpi@tasc.demon.co.uk>, > Philip Ingram wrote: > > > Having been brought up on IBM OS/360 (none of this modern /370 stuff > > 8-} ), 8 character file names are something I have had to unlearn > > Surely 44 characters there? > True. Maximum of 5 barrels beginning with an alpha, followed by no more than 7 alphanumeric and separated from the following barrel by a full stop. Vast amounts of time must have been spent debating standards for using these. In our installation, normal mortals only had any say over the final group of eight. I seem to remember that deviants were deleted. A different world. In fact, there were nine characters in my earlier post. I was expecting to have to do a Capt. Mainwaring "I wondered who would spot that first". Regards, Philip -- Philip Ingram mailto:prpi@tasc.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Mar 3 13:49:09 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AySUt-0001n2-9A-0001np."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 3 Mar 2004 13:49:09 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AySUt-0001n2-9A; Wed, 03 Mar 2004 09:17:00 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AySUt-0001n2-9A; Wed, 03 Mar 2004 09:16:59 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AySUt-0005cs-IA; Wed, 03 Mar 2004 09:16:59 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1AySUc-0004XA-QT; Wed, 03 Mar 2004 09:16:42 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i239G6s28185 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 3 Mar 2004 09:16:06 GMT Received: from mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk (mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk [212.9.8.7]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i239G4N28167 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 2004 09:16:05 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from iyonix [212.9.25.224] by mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A1783E0140; Wed, 03 Mar 2004 09:12:24 +0000 Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 09:16:36 GMT From: michael talibard To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] wordcount Message-ID: <8bdfcc894c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SMTPD_IN_RCVD,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Forgive me for a very basic enquiry, but I have lost track of how to get a word-count of a document -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Mar 3 13:49:10 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AySsE-0004na-Ep-0004nu."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 3 Mar 2004 13:49:10 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AySsE-0004na-Ep; Wed, 03 Mar 2004 09:41:06 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AySsE-0004na-Ep; Wed, 03 Mar 2004 09:41:06 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AySsE-0003ys-D5; Wed, 03 Mar 2004 09:41:06 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1AySqx-0000Vf-9Y; Wed, 03 Mar 2004 09:39:47 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i239ddr08299 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 3 Mar 2004 09:39:39 GMT Received: from mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk (mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk [212.9.8.7]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i239dcZ08294 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 2004 09:39:38 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from iyonix [212.9.25.224] by mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A6FE800140; Wed, 03 Mar 2004 09:35:58 +0000 Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 09:40:14 GMT From: michael talibard To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] wordcount Message-ID: <3c09cf894c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> References: <8bdfcc894c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <8bdfcc894c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SMTPD_IN_RCVD,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <8bdfcc894c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> I wrote: > > Forgive me for a very basic enquiry, but I have lost > track of how to get a word-count of a document Sorry - ignore that, I found it. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Mar 9 17:02:07 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Azv0B-0006xj-5D-0006yR."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 9 Mar 2004 17:02:07 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Azv0B-0006xj-5D; Sun, 07 Mar 2004 09:55:21 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Azv0B-0006xj-5D; Sun, 07 Mar 2004 09:55:19 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Azv0B-0000Lg-Eg; Sun, 07 Mar 2004 09:55:19 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1AzuzV-0004ME-PR; Sun, 07 Mar 2004 09:54:37 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i279s7S17955 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 7 Mar 2004 09:54:07 GMT Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i279s6J17951 for ; Sun, 7 Mar 2004 09:54:06 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from romsley.demon.co.uk ([158.152.206.166] helo=Cuthbert) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Azuyz-000JZm-0b for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 07 Mar 2004 09:54:06 +0000 Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2004 09:53:53 GMT From: Angus Mackenzie To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Message-ID: <3aa1df8b4c.angus@romsley.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: At Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05S) (RISC-OS/4.37) POPstar/2.03 Subject: [softwarelist] Problems printing from windows X-Editor: Zap 1.45 (06 Nov 2002), ZapEmail 0.26 (03 Nov 2002) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I am using 2.72 with an XP Pro machine. The printer is a USB Epson Stylus CX5400. If I take a minimal A4 document (just giving the default frame a border), this prints out fine as normal. However if I try to print printers pairs or galleys (for A5 diary pages) then it looks as though scaling fails: that is to say 2/3 of the page comes out blank followed by the bottom left hand corner of the default frame at apparently full size (frame thickness is identical to its bigger brother). Is there a solution or workaround for this; I could redefine my diary pages as A5, but there's quite a lot of work in that. And there may not be any guarantee of success... Sorry if this has been discussed before. -- Angus A Mackenzie angus@romsley.demon.co.uk Consultant Anaesthetist Risc PC User -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Mar 9 17:02:53 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1B0OPy-0007H6-7r-0007I0."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 9 Mar 2004 17:02:53 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1B0OPy-0007H6-7r; Mon, 08 Mar 2004 17:19:55 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B0OPy-0007H6-7r; Mon, 08 Mar 2004 17:19:54 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B0OPy-00008v-6w; Mon, 08 Mar 2004 17:19:54 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B0OPr-0007lW-UO; Mon, 08 Mar 2004 17:19:47 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i28HJIL30018 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 8 Mar 2004 17:19:18 GMT Received: from roma.localnet (p5091B18B.dip.t-dialin.net [80.145.177.139]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i28HJGi30010 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 2004 17:19:16 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [192.168.0.105] (helo=iyonix) by roma.localnet with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1B0OPK-0004Kr-00; Mon, 08 Mar 2004 18:19:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Bellon To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Cc: iyonix-support@smartgroups.com Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 18:19:26 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro does not print fonts in enbedded Drawfiles Message-ID: <4c8c8c41e2sbellon@sbellon.de> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.05) POPstar/2.05 X-Request-PGP: http://www.sbellon.de/gpg.asc X-PGP-ID: 05360CB9 / 55DB 48FE BA59 7BA0 2B9D 4822 38C5 EC21 0536 0CB9 X-URL: http://www.sbellon.de/ Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) When I have a Drawfile with fonts, drag it into some frame in Ovation Pro, then the text does not print. Everything else from the Drawfile prints just fine. This is on RISC OS 5.05 with Ovation Pro 2.73. I have just checked, it prints fine on RISC OS 4.37 with Ovation Pro 2.70. Does anybody already know about this problem? Otherwise I'll take the time to track down which of the varying parameters above is at fault. -- Stefan Bellon -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Mar 9 17:02:54 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1B0OYh-00012U-GC-000138."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 9 Mar 2004 17:02:54 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1B0OYh-00012U-GC; Mon, 08 Mar 2004 17:28:55 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B0OYh-00012U-GC; Mon, 08 Mar 2004 17:28:55 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B0OYg-0002H4-RB; Mon, 08 Mar 2004 17:28:54 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B0OYI-0003TN-VM; Mon, 08 Mar 2004 17:28:30 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i28HSII01343 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 8 Mar 2004 17:28:18 GMT Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.184]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i28HSHW01337 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 2004 17:28:17 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.155] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1B0OY5-0003aH-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 08 Mar 2004 18:28:17 +0100 Received: from [62.246.5.69] (helo=bach) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1B0OY4-00085q-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 08 Mar 2004 18:28:17 +0100 Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 18:27:25 +0100 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro does not print fonts in enbedded Drawfiles Message-ID: <05fd8c8c4c.martin@mw-software.com> References: <4c8c8c41e2sbellon@sbellon.de> In-Reply-To: <4c8c8c41e2sbellon@sbellon.de> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.05) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4c8c8c41e2sbellon@sbellon.de> Stefan Bellon wrote: > When I have a Drawfile with fonts, drag it into some frame in Ovation > Pro, then the text does not print. Everything else from the Drawfile > prints just fine. > > This is on RISC OS 5.05 with Ovation Pro 2.73. I have just checked, it > prints fine on RISC OS 4.37 with Ovation Pro 2.70. > > Does anybody already know about this problem? Otherwise I'll take the > time to track down which of the varying parameters above is at fault. This has been discussed extensively on both the Iyonix list and the DP list, but I do not think a consensus has been reached. FYI, it works fine here: RO5.05, OP 2.69. I just tried it with SPrinter. Have you tried it with SPrinter? That eliminates possible other driver issues. Have you tried printing to PostScript? Is the text present in the PS file? You may want to check whether you use SpecialFX - that is the only piece of software I could imagine that may interfer. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Mar 9 17:02:54 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1B0P5x-0001UA-An-0001Ug."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 9 Mar 2004 17:02:54 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1B0P5x-0001UA-An; Mon, 08 Mar 2004 18:03:18 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B0P5x-0001UA-An; Mon, 08 Mar 2004 18:03:17 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B0P5w-0005K3-0g; Mon, 08 Mar 2004 18:03:17 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B0P5l-0008Kr-Uq; Mon, 08 Mar 2004 18:03:05 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i28I2wk21401 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 8 Mar 2004 18:02:58 GMT Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i28I2u621362 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 2004 18:02:56 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [62.188.143.220] (helo=62.188.143.220) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 1B0P5V-0007ef-FL for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 08 Mar 2004 18:02:54 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Dr P.N.Young" To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 11:55:14 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] OPro; repeated words in spellcheck Message-ID: <4c8c6e9369pnyoung@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03e (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_20,DATE_IN_PAST_06_12,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I can't remember if this has been discussed before; apologies if so. I've just written a letter, with a list of weekends set out thus: 2-5 April 16-19 April 23-26 April and the spellchecker flags up all these occurrences of 'April' as repeated words. Should this be so? Best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 Anne \ / __ __ \ England. Cecilia / / \ | | |\ | / _ http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/pnyoung James / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \_____________ pnyoung@argonet.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Mar 9 17:03:00 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1B0RQj-0005UO-69-0005Un."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 9 Mar 2004 17:03:00 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1B0RQj-0005UO-69; Mon, 08 Mar 2004 20:32:54 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B0RQj-0005UO-69; Mon, 08 Mar 2004 20:32:53 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B0RQj-0002oi-Na; Mon, 08 Mar 2004 20:32:53 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B0RQb-0002kw-FN; Mon, 08 Mar 2004 20:32:45 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i28KWH408219 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 8 Mar 2004 20:32:17 GMT Received: from smtp08.wxs.nl (smtp08.wxs.nl [195.121.6.40]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i28KWFM08182 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 2004 20:32:15 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from me (ip51cc4b49.speed.planet.nl [81.204.75.73]) by smtp08.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.14 (built Mar 18 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HU900IXHY2DL7@smtp08.wxs.nl> for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 08 Mar 2004 21:25:30 +0100 (MET) Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 21:27:34 +0100 From: Paul Sprangers Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro does not print fonts in enbedded Drawfiles In-reply-to: <05fd8c8c4c.martin@mw-software.com> To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Message-id: <4c8c9d7b34paul@delink.nl> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.05) POPstar/2.04-pre2 References: <4c8c8c41e2sbellon@sbellon.de> <05fd8c8c4c.martin@mw-software.com> Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > You may want to check whether you use SpecialFX - that is the only piece > of software I could imagine that may interfer. No, with or without SpecialFX, fonts in drawfiles are not printed by OvationPro, either through the normal printer driver or through SPrinter. I haven't tried other programs yet (I mean, with or without SpecialFX). For Stefan Bellon: a temporary solution is loading the drawfile into ArtWorks and save it as an ArtWorks file. Kind regards, Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Mar 9 17:03:01 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1B0RcK-0002rd-D9-0002sB."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 9 Mar 2004 17:03:01 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1B0RcK-0002rd-D9; Mon, 08 Mar 2004 20:44:53 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B0RcK-0002rd-D9; Mon, 08 Mar 2004 20:44:52 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B0RcJ-00014Z-Rz; Mon, 08 Mar 2004 20:44:51 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B0Rc9-00052h-2w; Mon, 08 Mar 2004 20:44:41 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i28KiCw18431 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 8 Mar 2004 20:44:12 GMT Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i28KiBD18423 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 2004 20:44:11 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from orphean-press.demon.co.uk ([193.237.242.97]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1B0Rbe-0003af-0X for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 08 Mar 2004 20:44:11 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "P. C. Newble" To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 20:41:30 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: [iyonix-support] Ovation Pro does not print fonts in enbedded Drawfiles Message-ID: <4c8c9ebfdfmailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4c8c8c41e2sbellon@sbellon.de> References: <4c8c8c41e2sbellon@sbellon.de> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.05) POPstar/2.04-pre2 Content-Type: text/plain X-Editor: Zap 1.46 (24 Mar 2003) [TEST], ZapEmail 0.27 (21 Mar 2003) test-6 (32) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4c8c8c41e2sbellon@sbellon.de>, Stefan Bellon wrote: > When I have a Drawfile with fonts, drag it into some frame in > Ovation Pro, then the text does not print. Everything else from the > Drawfile prints just fine. I noticed this too a few days ago, but I didn't get any further than noticing that imported drawfiles consisting of nothing but text wouldn't print, whereas imported drawfiles consisting of path objects and/or sprites were OK. However, I can't replicate it now -- everything seems to work as it should. > This is on RISC OS 5.05 with Ovation Pro 2.73. I have just checked, > it prints fine on RISC OS 4.37 with Ovation Pro 2.70. I'm also using Ovation Pro 2.73 and RISC OS 5.05, printing to PostScript level 2. Peter Newble. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Mar 9 17:03:04 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1B0TJs-0007BK-D9-0007Bn."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 9 Mar 2004 17:03:04 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1B0TJs-0007BK-D9; Mon, 08 Mar 2004 22:33:56 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B0TJs-0007BK-D9; Mon, 08 Mar 2004 22:33:56 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B0TJr-0006Ox-Qy; Mon, 08 Mar 2004 22:33:55 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B0TJo-0006Gi-7F; Mon, 08 Mar 2004 22:33:52 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i28MXhY21881 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 8 Mar 2004 22:33:43 GMT Received: from linda-2.paradise.net.nz (bm-2a.paradise.net.nz [202.0.58.21]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i28MXdd21815 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 2004 22:33:40 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from smtp-1.paradise.net.nz (smtp-1b.paradise.net.nz [202.0.32.210]) by linda-2.paradise.net.nz (Paradise.net.nz) with ESMTP id <0HUA00G8O401OY@linda-2.paradise.net.nz> for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 09 Mar 2004 11:33:37 +1300 (NZDT) Received: from eyewear.paradise.net.nz (203-96-156-171.tnt6.paradise.net.nz [203.96.156.171]) by smtp-1.paradise.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62655827B2; Tue, 09 Mar 2004 11:33:36 +1300 (NZDT) Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 11:33:43 +1200 From: brian Subject: [softwarelist] Re: [iyonix-support] Ovation Pro does not print fonts in enbedded Drawfiles In-reply-to: <4c8c8c41e2sbellon@sbellon.de> To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Cc: iyonix-support@smartgroups.com Message-id: <4c8cae8543adamlists@paradise.net.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.05) POPstar/2.04-pre2 References: <4c8c8c41e2sbellon@sbellon.de> Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_10,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4c8c8c41e2sbellon@sbellon.de>, Stefan Bellon wrote: > When I have a Drawfile with fonts, drag it into some frame in Ovation > Pro, then the text does not print. Everything else from the Drawfile > prints just fine. > This is on RISC OS 5.05 with Ovation Pro 2.73. I have just checked, it > prints fine on RISC OS 4.37 with Ovation Pro 2.70. > Does anybody already know about this problem? Otherwise I'll take the > time to track down which of the varying parameters above is at fault. I have this too! Recently had a OP document with a drawfile (calendar) in a frame and it did not print the drawfile at all, being all numbers and text ... until I converted everything in the drawfile to paths and re-imported it to OP. RISC OS 5.03 (reverted to 03 after an 05 upgrade didn't work so well) Ovation Pro 2.73 Printers 1.67 GemPrint 1.00 GPDriver 1.14 GPSetup 1.09 -- Brian Adam Auckland NEW ZEALAND -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Mar 9 17:03:07 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1B0U1w-0006ZD-7d-0006a4."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 9 Mar 2004 17:03:07 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1B0U1w-0006ZD-7d; Mon, 08 Mar 2004 23:19:29 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B0U1w-0006ZD-7d; Mon, 08 Mar 2004 23:19:28 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B0U1w-00062x-6I; Mon, 08 Mar 2004 23:19:28 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B0U1f-0005Q5-Mk; Mon, 08 Mar 2004 23:19:11 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i28NJ4B13403 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 8 Mar 2004 23:19:04 GMT Received: from mxout3.netvision.net.il (mxout3.netvision.net.il [194.90.9.24]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i28NJ3U13399 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 2004 23:19:04 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from netvision.net.il ([212.235.2.78]) by mxout3.netvision.net.il (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.14 (built Mar 18 2003)) with ESMTPA id <0HUA00IJW63QNU@mxout3.netvision.net.il> for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 09 Mar 2004 01:19:03 +0200 (IST) Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 01:19:02 +0200 From: Michael Ben-Gershon Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: [iyonix-support] Ovation Pro does not print fonts in enbedded Drawfiles In-reply-to: <4c8cae8543adamlists@paradise.net.nz> To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Message-id: <404CFF66.3010708@netvision.net.il> Organization: My Office MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-GB, en, he User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040121 References: <4c8c8c41e2sbellon@sbellon.de> <4c8cae8543adamlists@paradise.net.nz> Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,HAS_ORGANIZATION,IN_REP_TO, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA,X_ACCEPT_LANG autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) brian wrote: > In article <4c8c8c41e2sbellon@sbellon.de>, > Stefan Bellon wrote: > >>When I have a Drawfile with fonts, drag it into some frame in Ovation >>Pro, then the text does not print. Everything else from the Drawfile >>prints just fine. > > >>This is on RISC OS 5.05 with Ovation Pro 2.73. I have just checked, it >>prints fine on RISC OS 4.37 with Ovation Pro 2.70. > > >>Does anybody already know about this problem? Otherwise I'll take the >>time to track down which of the varying parameters above is at fault. > > > I have this too! Recently had a OP document with a drawfile (calendar) in > a frame and it did not print the drawfile at all, being all numbers and > text ... until I converted everything in the drawfile to paths and > re-imported it to OP. I have reported on this before. It seems OK at first, but something must get confused later on. When I say 'at first' I mean before the Iyonix has been up for a long time. It is definitely only apparent on the Iyonix. It is ONLY apparent on OPro - I had initially thought it was a general embedded drawfile problem, but I am now pretty convinced that it is only an OPro problem. It is shown on all printer drivers, including SPrinter and Postscript. Michael Ben-Gershon mybg@netvision.net.il -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Mar 9 17:03:14 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1B0cup-00003d-Lj-00004B."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 9 Mar 2004 17:03:14 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1B0cup-00003d-Lj; Tue, 09 Mar 2004 08:48:44 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B0cup-00003d-Lj; Tue, 09 Mar 2004 08:48:43 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B0cup-0001TJ-I6; Tue, 09 Mar 2004 08:48:43 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B0cuT-0002ZQ-Fh; Tue, 09 Mar 2004 08:48:21 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i298ljE18798 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 9 Mar 2004 08:47:45 GMT Received: from mxout3.netvision.net.il (mxout3.netvision.net.il [194.90.9.24]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i298lhu18784 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 2004 08:47:43 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from netvision.net.il ([217.132.3.85]) by mxout3.netvision.net.il (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.14 (built Mar 18 2003)) with ESMTPA id <0HUA00IQNWFHNY@mxout3.netvision.net.il> for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 09 Mar 2004 10:47:41 +0200 (IST) Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 10:47:41 +0200 From: Michael Ben-Gershon Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: [iyonix-support] Ovation Pro does not print fonts in enbedded Drawfiles In-reply-to: <404CFF66.3010708@netvision.net.il> To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Message-id: <404D84AD.80207@netvision.net.il> Organization: My Office MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-GB, en, he User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040121 References: <4c8c8c41e2sbellon@sbellon.de> <4c8cae8543adamlists@paradise.net.nz> <404CFF66.3010708@netvision.net.il> Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,HAS_ORGANIZATION,IN_REP_TO, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA,X_ACCEPT_LANG autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Michael Ben-Gershon wrote: > brian wrote: > >> In article <4c8c8c41e2sbellon@sbellon.de>, >> Stefan Bellon wrote: >> >>> When I have a Drawfile with fonts, drag it into some frame in Ovation >>> Pro, then the text does not print. Everything else from the Drawfile >>> prints just fine. >> >> >> >>> This is on RISC OS 5.05 with Ovation Pro 2.73. I have just checked, it >>> prints fine on RISC OS 4.37 with Ovation Pro 2.70. >> >> >> >>> Does anybody already know about this problem? Otherwise I'll take the >>> time to track down which of the varying parameters above is at fault. >> >> >> >> I have this too! Recently had a OP document with a drawfile (calendar) in >> a frame and it did not print the drawfile at all, being all numbers and >> text ... until I converted everything in the drawfile to paths and >> re-imported it to OP. > > > I have reported on this before. It seems OK at first, but something must > get confused later on. When I say 'at first' I mean before the Iyonix > has been up for a long time. It is definitely only apparent on the Iyonix. > It is ONLY apparent on OPro - I had initially thought it was a general > embedded drawfile problem, but I am now pretty convinced that it is > only an OPro problem. It is shown on all printer drivers, including > SPrinter and Postscript. Well, I just had to restart the machine and found the problem at startup. This is with the Iyonix 5.05 ROM. My prior experience was with the 5.03 ROM. Saving the drawfile into Artworks and reloading the AW file into OPro fixes the problem for the time being, but is not really to be classed as a 'solution'. Michael Ben-Gershon mybg@netvision.net.il -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Mar 9 17:51:38 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1B0lLY-0003k9-D5-0003kS."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 9 Mar 2004 17:51:38 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1B0lLY-0003k9-D5; Tue, 09 Mar 2004 17:48:52 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B0lLY-0003k9-D5; Tue, 09 Mar 2004 17:48:52 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B0lLX-0005Fu-SO; Tue, 09 Mar 2004 17:48:51 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B0lLN-0000gM-Ts; Tue, 09 Mar 2004 17:48:41 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i29HmDL12579 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 9 Mar 2004 17:48:13 GMT Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i29HmAX12561 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 2004 17:48:11 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1B0lKs-000IiK-0W for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 09 Mar 2004 17:48:10 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 17:46:58 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Problems printing from windows References: <3aa1df8b4c.angus@romsley.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <3aa1df8b4c.angus@romsley.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >I am using 2.72 with an XP Pro machine. The printer is a USB Epson Stylus >CX5400. If I take a minimal A4 document (just giving the default frame a >border), this prints out fine as normal. However if I try to print >printers pairs or galleys (for A5 diary pages) then it looks as though >scaling fails: that is to say 2/3 of the page comes out blank followed by In short that part of the program is not complete. OP for Windows isn't finished - and that is one of last things to do. As it happens I'm working on this area at the moment, it soon will be done. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Mar 9 18:01:39 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1B0lP1-0000Yk-HV-0000ZG."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 9 Mar 2004 18:01:39 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1B0lP1-0000Yk-HV; Tue, 09 Mar 2004 17:52:28 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B0lP1-0000Yk-HV; Tue, 09 Mar 2004 17:52:27 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B0lP1-0003It-87; Tue, 09 Mar 2004 17:52:27 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B0lOz-0007fQ-Rv; Tue, 09 Mar 2004 17:52:25 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i29HqEY15461 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 9 Mar 2004 17:52:14 GMT Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i29HqDu15446 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 2004 17:52:13 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1B0lOn-000JCA-0W for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 09 Mar 2004 17:52:13 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 17:51:05 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro does not print fonts in enbedded Drawfiles References: <4c8c8c41e2sbellon@sbellon.de> In-Reply-To: <4c8c8c41e2sbellon@sbellon.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >When I have a Drawfile with fonts, drag it into some frame in Ovation >Pro, then the text does not print. Everything else from the Drawfile >prints just fine. >This is on RISC OS 5.05 with Ovation Pro 2.73. I have just checked, it >prints fine on RISC OS 4.37 with Ovation Pro 2.70. I suspect me saying "look in the maillist archives" is tedious. But this subject is one that was given a good thrashing a couple of months or so back. It is regretable that given the effort there has been zero progress. However with no way of reproducing the problem, and little other than the information that it happens, to go off, it's not surprising. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Mar 9 18:01:39 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1B0lQL-0001zI-K6-00021N."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 9 Mar 2004 18:01:39 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1B0lQL-0001zI-K6; Tue, 09 Mar 2004 17:53:50 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B0lQL-0001zI-K6; Tue, 09 Mar 2004 17:53:49 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B0lQK-00009f-RC; Tue, 09 Mar 2004 17:53:48 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B0lQE-0000hN-6T; Tue, 09 Mar 2004 17:53:42 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i29Hra716310 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 9 Mar 2004 17:53:36 GMT Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i29HrYX16303 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 2004 17:53:34 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1B0lQ6-000NpL-0Y for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 09 Mar 2004 17:53:34 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 17:52:13 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OPro; repeated words in spellcheck References: <4c8c6e9369pnyoung@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4c8c6e9369pnyoung@argonet.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >2-5 April >16-19 April >23-26 April > >and the spellchecker flags up all these occurrences of 'April' as repeated >words. Should this be so? Probably not. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Mar 9 18:01:41 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1B0lUK-0006e3-54-0006fM."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 9 Mar 2004 18:01:41 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1B0lUK-0006e3-54; Tue, 09 Mar 2004 17:57:57 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B0lUK-0006e3-54; Tue, 09 Mar 2004 17:57:56 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B0lUK-0002aF-Ai; Tue, 09 Mar 2004 17:57:56 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B0lUD-00022G-3B; Tue, 09 Mar 2004 17:57:49 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i29HvdG18600 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 9 Mar 2004 17:57:39 GMT Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i29HvbD18589 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 2004 17:57:37 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1B0lU1-000N4F-0b for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 09 Mar 2004 17:57:37 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 17:56:24 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: [iyonix-support] Ovation Pro does not print fonts in enbedded Drawfiles References: <4c8c8c41e2sbellon@sbellon.de> <4c8cae8543adamlists@paradise.net.nz> <404CFF66.3010708@netvision.net.il> In-Reply-To: <404CFF66.3010708@netvision.net.il> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >has been up for a long time. It is definitely only apparent on the Iyonix. >It is ONLY apparent on OPro I was just wondering if other apps had the problem. So maybe it is something I am doing different or wrong. From print choices in OP there are two things you could twiddle - print in background, and pre scan passes. Other parameters of a print job, include is it scaled, is it rotated. Any correlation with any of the above would be most interesting. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Mar 9 18:31:40 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1B0ly8-0003hI-8a-0003i3."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 9 Mar 2004 18:31:40 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1B0ly8-0003hI-8a; Tue, 09 Mar 2004 18:28:45 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B0ly8-0003hI-8a; Tue, 09 Mar 2004 18:28:44 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B0ly8-0004Pr-ED; Tue, 09 Mar 2004 18:28:44 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B0lxx-0006Za-69; Tue, 09 Mar 2004 18:28:33 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i29ISLH02560 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 9 Mar 2004 18:28:21 GMT Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i29ISJn02525 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 2004 18:28:19 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [62.188.138.98] (helo=62.188.138.98) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 1B0lxe-000522-B3 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 09 Mar 2004 18:28:15 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Dr P.N.Young" To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 18:18:06 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPro; repeated words in spellcheck Message-ID: <4c8d1576fepnyoung@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4c8c6e9369pnyoung@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03e (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_20,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , David Pilling wrote: > >2-5 April > >16-19 April > >23-26 April > > > >and the spellchecker flags up all these occurrences of 'April' as > >repeated words. Should this be so? > Probably not. And can (will?) it be fixed? It also gets words repeated each side of punctuation. Best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 Anne \ / __ __ \ England. Cecilia / / \ | | |\ | / _ http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/pnyoung James / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \_____________ pnyoung@argonet.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Mar 9 18:41:40 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1B0m9m-000380-Qi-00038O."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 9 Mar 2004 18:41:40 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1B0m9m-000380-Qi; Tue, 09 Mar 2004 18:40:47 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B0m9m-000380-Qi; Tue, 09 Mar 2004 18:40:46 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B0m9m-00031Z-1w; Tue, 09 Mar 2004 18:40:46 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B0m9c-0007QK-UF; Tue, 09 Mar 2004 18:40:36 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i29IePZ09571 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 9 Mar 2004 18:40:25 GMT Received: from roma.localnet (p5091A55B.dip.t-dialin.net [80.145.165.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i29IeM409522 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 2004 18:40:22 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [192.168.0.105] (helo=iyonix) by roma.localnet with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1B0m9N-0008G0-00 for ; Tue, 09 Mar 2004 19:40:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Bellon To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 19:37:56 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro does not print fonts in enbedded Drawfiles Message-ID: <4c8d1747eesbellon@sbellon.de> In-Reply-To: References: <4c8c8c41e2sbellon@sbellon.de> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.05) POPstar/2.05 X-Request-PGP: http://www.sbellon.de/gpg.asc X-PGP-ID: 05360CB9 / 55DB 48FE BA59 7BA0 2B9D 4822 38C5 EC21 0536 0CB9 X-URL: http://www.sbellon.de/ Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) David Pilling wrote: > >When I have a Drawfile with fonts, drag it into some frame in Ovation > >Pro, then the text does not print. Everything else from the Drawfile > >prints just fine. > >This is on RISC OS 5.05 with Ovation Pro 2.73. I have just checked, > >it prints fine on RISC OS 4.37 with Ovation Pro 2.70. > I suspect me saying "look in the maillist archives" is tedious. But > this subject is one that was given a good thrashing a couple of > months or so back. I'm sorry, it looks like I didn't pay attention to it the last time because at that time I didn't realize it is affecting me as well. Sorry. Considering "look in the maillist archives": I didn't know an archive was available, I just realized it when visiting your page. Thanks for pointing it out! > It is regretable that given the effort there has been zero progress. > However with no way of reproducing the problem, and little other than > the information that it happens, to go off, it's not surprising. Ok, I'd be willing to help track it down. Perhaps you could build small test cases in order to localize it? -- Stefan Bellon -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Mar 9 19:11:42 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1B0mWD-0007P5-9s-0007PP."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 9 Mar 2004 19:11:42 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1B0mWD-0007P5-9s; Tue, 09 Mar 2004 19:03:57 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B0mWD-0007P5-9s; Tue, 09 Mar 2004 19:03:57 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B0mWC-0003Se-SR; Tue, 09 Mar 2004 19:03:56 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B0mW8-0003hU-RB; Tue, 09 Mar 2004 19:03:52 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i29J3g023310 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 9 Mar 2004 19:03:42 GMT Received: from roma.localnet (p5091A55B.dip.t-dialin.net [80.145.165.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i29J3fN23302 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 2004 19:03:41 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [192.168.0.105] (helo=iyonix) by roma.localnet with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1B0mVw-0008UQ-00 for ; Tue, 09 Mar 2004 20:03:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Bellon To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 20:03:06 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro does not print fonts in enbedded Drawfiles Message-ID: <4c8d1995bcsbellon@sbellon.de> In-Reply-To: <05fd8c8c4c.martin@mw-software.com> References: <4c8c8c41e2sbellon@sbellon.de> <05fd8c8c4c.martin@mw-software.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.05) POPstar/2.05 X-Request-PGP: http://www.sbellon.de/gpg.asc X-PGP-ID: 05360CB9 / 55DB 48FE BA59 7BA0 2B9D 4822 38C5 EC21 0536 0CB9 X-URL: http://www.sbellon.de/ Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Martin Wuerthner wrote: > Have you tried it with SPrinter? That eliminates possible other driver > issues. Yes, tried that, SPrinter doesn't print the text either. > Have you tried printing to PostScript? Is the text present in the PS > file? Yes, I tried that as well, the text is missing from PostScript as well. But the fonts definitions are there! > You may want to check whether you use SpecialFX - that is the only > piece of software I could imagine that may interfer. I have SpecialFX turned off for Ovation Pro. -- Stefan Bellon -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Mar 9 19:31:43 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1B0moH-0000EW-Kt-0000Ew."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 9 Mar 2004 19:31:43 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1B0moH-0000EW-Kt; Tue, 09 Mar 2004 19:22:38 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B0moH-0000EW-Kt; Tue, 09 Mar 2004 19:22:37 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B0moH-0000ej-9r; Tue, 09 Mar 2004 19:22:37 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B0mnz-0002rY-Py; Tue, 09 Mar 2004 19:22:19 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i29JMAB29692 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 9 Mar 2004 19:22:10 GMT Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.185]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i29JM9r29679 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 2004 19:22:09 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.155] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1B0mno-0006la-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 09 Mar 2004 20:22:08 +0100 Received: from [62.246.26.96] (helo=bach) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1B0mno-0007yk-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 09 Mar 2004 20:22:08 +0100 Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 20:21:44 +0100 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro does not print fonts in enbedded Drawfiles Message-ID: <464a1b8d4c.martin@mw-software.com> References: <4c8c8c41e2sbellon@sbellon.de> <05fd8c8c4c.martin@mw-software.com> <4c8d1995bcsbellon@sbellon.de> In-Reply-To: <4c8d1995bcsbellon@sbellon.de> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.05) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4c8d1995bcsbellon@sbellon.de> Stefan Bellon wrote: > Martin Wuerthner wrote: > > You may want to check whether you use SpecialFX - that is the only > > piece of software I could imagine that may interfer. > > I have SpecialFX turned off for Ovation Pro. Have you tried not loading it in the first place? I am not suggesting that there is anything wrong with it, but just to be sure... Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Mar 9 19:51:44 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1B0nD8-0005i8-CN-0005ig."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 9 Mar 2004 19:51:44 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1B0nD8-0005i8-CN; Tue, 09 Mar 2004 19:48:19 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B0nD8-0005i8-CN; Tue, 09 Mar 2004 19:48:18 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B0nD8-0002bt-Jv; Tue, 09 Mar 2004 19:48:18 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B0nD4-0005eI-OP; Tue, 09 Mar 2004 19:48:14 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i29Jm6408868 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 9 Mar 2004 19:48:06 GMT Received: from roma.localnet (p5091A55B.dip.t-dialin.net [80.145.165.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i29Jm4K08860 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 2004 19:48:05 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [192.168.0.105] (helo=iyonix) by roma.localnet with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1B0nCt-0000Vn-00 for ; Tue, 09 Mar 2004 20:48:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Bellon To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 20:48:00 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro does not print fonts in enbedded Drawfiles Message-ID: <4c8d1db1fesbellon@sbellon.de> In-Reply-To: <464a1b8d4c.martin@mw-software.com> References: <4c8c8c41e2sbellon@sbellon.de> <05fd8c8c4c.martin@mw-software.com> <4c8d1995bcsbellon@sbellon.de> <464a1b8d4c.martin@mw-software.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.05) POPstar/2.05 X-Request-PGP: http://www.sbellon.de/gpg.asc X-PGP-ID: 05360CB9 / 55DB 48FE BA59 7BA0 2B9D 4822 38C5 EC21 0536 0CB9 X-URL: http://www.sbellon.de/ Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Martin Wuerthner wrote: > In message <4c8d1995bcsbellon@sbellon.de> > Stefan Bellon wrote: > > Martin Wuerthner wrote: > > > You may want to check whether you use SpecialFX - that is the only > > > piece of software I could imagine that may interfer. > > > > I have SpecialFX turned off for Ovation Pro. > Have you tried not loading it in the first place? I am not suggesting > that there is anything wrong with it, but just to be sure... I have tried that now as well. Still, no text from embedded Drawfiles when printing. -- Stefan Bellon -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Mar 9 20:31:54 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1B0nrt-0002IT-C9-0002J6."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 9 Mar 2004 20:31:54 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1B0nrt-0002IT-C9; Tue, 09 Mar 2004 20:30:26 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B0nrt-0002IT-C9; Tue, 09 Mar 2004 20:30:25 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B0nrt-000387-IN; Tue, 09 Mar 2004 20:30:25 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B0nro-0001hf-Q4; Tue, 09 Mar 2004 20:30:20 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i29KU8j28680 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 9 Mar 2004 20:30:09 GMT Received: from smtpq2.home.nl (smtpq2.home.nl [213.51.128.197]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i29KU2u28598 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 2004 20:30:03 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [213.51.128.132] (port=35427 helo=smtp1.home.nl) by smtpq2.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1B0nrW-0002iP-BG for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 09 Mar 2004 21:30:02 +0100 Received: from cp418204-a.dbsch1.nb.home.nl ([217.123.44.165]:55750 helo=padua) by smtp1.home.nl with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 1B0nrV-00084c-Bc for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 09 Mar 2004 21:30:01 +0100 Message-ID: <000501c40615$a7f779b0$6502a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: "Ovation Pro" References: <4c8c8c41e2sbellon@sbellon.de> <05fd8c8c4c.martin@mw-software.com> <4c8d1995bcsbellon@sbellon.de> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro does not print fonts in enbedded Drawfiles Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 21:32:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-AtHome-MailScanner-Information: Neem contact op met support@home.nl voor meer informatie X-AtHome-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Tuesday, March 09, 2004 8:03 PM, Stefan Bellon wrote: > Martin Wuerthner wrote: > >> Have you tried it with SPrinter? That eliminates possible other >> driver issues. > > Yes, tried that, SPrinter doesn't print the text either. > >> Have you tried printing to PostScript? Is the text present in the PS >> file? > > Yes, I tried that as well, the text is missing from PostScript as > well. But the fonts definitions are there! > >> You may want to check whether you use SpecialFX - that is the only >> piece of software I could imagine that may interfer. > > I have SpecialFX turned off for Ovation Pro. > Seen in comp.sys.acorn.announce: ----quote--- In news:ap.2799314c8c.a701a0a.m.conroy@argonet.co.uk, David Holden wrote: > iSV products is pleased to announce that the popular font editor, Dr > Fonty, is now 32 bit neutral. > > Dr Fonty costs just 14.90 ukp, and as well as enabling you to produce > new fonts or add extra characters and weights to existing ones can > also repair many fonts which have damaged scaffolding etc. > This can enable fonts > which work on a RiscPC but which do not render properly (or at all) > on the Iyonix to work correctly. ----unquote--- The last paragraph is maybe interesting too: here is also a difference mentioned about the way some fonts are handled on RiscPC and Iyonix ... Tonnie -- Mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Mar 9 21:31:49 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1B0onU-0006U1-Ce-0006UR."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 9 Mar 2004 21:31:49 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1B0onU-0006U1-Ce; Tue, 09 Mar 2004 21:29:57 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B0onU-0006U1-Ce; Tue, 09 Mar 2004 21:29:56 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B0onU-0005A0-NS; Tue, 09 Mar 2004 21:29:56 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B0onP-0004AI-2K; Tue, 09 Mar 2004 21:29:51 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i29LTgi22566 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 9 Mar 2004 21:29:42 GMT Received: from roma.localnet (p5091A55B.dip.t-dialin.net [80.145.165.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i29LTeR22556 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 2004 21:29:40 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [192.168.0.105] (helo=iyonix) by roma.localnet with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1B0onC-0001Jc-00 for ; Tue, 09 Mar 2004 22:29:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Bellon To: "Ovation Pro" Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 22:29:36 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro does not print fonts in enbedded Drawfiles Message-ID: <4c8d26ff40sbellon@sbellon.de> In-Reply-To: <000501c40615$a7f779b0$6502a8c0@padua> References: <4c8c8c41e2sbellon@sbellon.de> <05fd8c8c4c.martin@mw-software.com> <4c8d1995bcsbellon@sbellon.de> <000501c40615$a7f779b0$6502a8c0@padua> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.05) POPstar/2.05 X-Request-PGP: http://www.sbellon.de/gpg.asc X-PGP-ID: 05360CB9 / 55DB 48FE BA59 7BA0 2B9D 4822 38C5 EC21 0536 0CB9 X-URL: http://www.sbellon.de/ Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Tonnie Demarteau wrote: > The last paragraph is maybe interesting too: here is also a > difference mentioned about the way some fonts are handled on RiscPC > and Iyonix ... But this is another problem. There are _some_ fonts which work on the Risc PC but crash on the Iyonix. I have such a font myself. But in this case _no_ font is printed. -- Stefan Bellon -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Mar 9 21:41:50 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1B0oxp-00025A-PZ-00025a."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 9 Mar 2004 21:41:50 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1B0oxp-00025A-PZ; Tue, 09 Mar 2004 21:40:38 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B0oxp-00025A-PZ; Tue, 09 Mar 2004 21:40:37 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B0oxp-0002YN-Nk; Tue, 09 Mar 2004 21:40:37 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B0ox7-0006wj-6k; Tue, 09 Mar 2004 21:39:53 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i29Ldj328199 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 9 Mar 2004 21:39:45 GMT Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i29LdhD28158 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 2004 21:39:43 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1B0oww-000B72-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 09 Mar 2004 21:39:42 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 21:38:10 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro does not print fonts in enbedded Drawfiles References: <4c8c8c41e2sbellon@sbellon.de> <05fd8c8c4c.martin@mw-software.com> <4c8d1995bcsbellon@sbellon.de> <000501c40615$a7f779b0$6502a8c0@padua> In-Reply-To: <000501c40615$a7f779b0$6502a8c0@padua> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Some more rambling about this. My understanding is that the problem is 'state of RISC OS' dependent. So an example file that causes trouble on one persons computer, works fine on mine. ISTR someone who had the problem, found it vanished after he removed and re-installed some software. >> I have SpecialFX turned off for Ovation Pro. One far fetched idea. One feature of SpecialFX was for the old Caligraph (where are they now) printer, it moves font paints from high memory addresses to low. Only one thing which does depend on configuration is the point at which RISC OS starts allocating memory addresses with the top bit set (negative addresses). So just for fun you might try setting up SFX to move font paints to low memory. Personally I'm inclined to think SFX is more likely cause than cure. Chilling resonance... it was the text in Draw files that didn't appear on Caligraph, different memory addresses, to text in text frames. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Mar 9 22:21:51 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1B0pSl-0003d2-5V-0003dL."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 9 Mar 2004 22:21:51 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1B0pSl-0003d2-5V; Tue, 09 Mar 2004 22:12:36 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B0pSl-0003d2-5V; Tue, 09 Mar 2004 22:12:35 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B0pSl-0001Jw-Gv; Tue, 09 Mar 2004 22:12:35 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B0pSQ-0004XV-7i; Tue, 09 Mar 2004 22:12:14 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i29MC3S11111 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 9 Mar 2004 22:12:03 GMT Received: from aquarius.realingenuity.net (aquarius.realingenuity.net [213.165.154.155]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i29MC3211104 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 2004 22:12:03 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from RTV (189.30.61.fdial.global.net.uk [80.189.30.61]) by aquarius.realingenuity.net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id i29M0g210431 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 2004 22:00:42 GMT Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 22:12:48 +0000 From: Mik Towse To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro does not print fonts in enbedded Drawfiles Message-ID: <4C8D2AF399%mik.towse@xemik.com> References: <4c8c8c41e2sbellon@sbellon.de> <05fd8c8c4c.martin@mw-software.com> <4c8d1995bcsbellon@sbellon.de> <464a1b8d4c.martin@mw-software.com> <4c8d1db1fesbellon@sbellon.de> In-Reply-To: <4c8d1db1fesbellon@sbellon.de> X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.62 POPstar/2.05 X-Editor: Zap 1.45, using ZapEmail 0.26 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4c8d1db1fesbellon@sbellon.de> Stefan Bellon wrote: > Martin Wuerthner wrote: > > Stefan Bellon wrote: > > > I have SpecialFX turned off for Ovation Pro. > > Have you tried not loading it in the first place? I am not suggesting > > that there is anything wrong with it, but just to be sure... > I have tried that now as well. Still, no text from embedded Drawfiles > when printing. Do they print if 'converted to path'? -- When in doubt, leave out the adjective. __ __ _ _ _____ | \/ (_) | __ |_ _|____ __ _____ ___ | |\/| | | |/ / | |/ _ \ V V (_- for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 9 Mar 2004 22:31:53 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1B0pgV-0001GY-Bo; Tue, 09 Mar 2004 22:26:48 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B0pgV-0001GY-Bo; Tue, 09 Mar 2004 22:26:47 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B0pgV-0007my-E6; Tue, 09 Mar 2004 22:26:47 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B0pgM-0003wF-Ms; Tue, 09 Mar 2004 22:26:38 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i29MQPw17070 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 9 Mar 2004 22:26:25 GMT Received: from roma.localnet (p5091A55B.dip.t-dialin.net [80.145.165.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i29MQMm17045 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 2004 22:26:22 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [192.168.0.105] (helo=iyonix) by roma.localnet with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1B0pg6-0001kc-00 for ; Tue, 09 Mar 2004 23:26:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Bellon To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 23:23:43 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro does not print fonts in enbedded Drawfiles Message-ID: <4c8d2bf376sbellon@sbellon.de> In-Reply-To: <4C8D2AF399%mik.towse@xemik.com> References: <4c8c8c41e2sbellon@sbellon.de> <05fd8c8c4c.martin@mw-software.com> <4c8d1995bcsbellon@sbellon.de> <464a1b8d4c.martin@mw-software.com> <4c8d1db1fesbellon@sbellon.de> <4C8D2AF399%mik.towse@xemik.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.05) POPstar/2.05 X-Request-PGP: http://www.sbellon.de/gpg.asc X-PGP-ID: 05360CB9 / 55DB 48FE BA59 7BA0 2B9D 4822 38C5 EC21 0536 0CB9 X-URL: http://www.sbellon.de/ Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Mik Towse wrote: > In article <4c8d1db1fesbellon@sbellon.de> Stefan Bellon wrote: > > Martin Wuerthner wrote: > > > Stefan Bellon wrote: > > > > I have SpecialFX turned off for Ovation Pro. > > > Have you tried not loading it in the first place? I am not > > > suggesting that there is anything wrong with it, but just to be > > > sure... > > I have tried that now as well. Still, no text from embedded > > Drawfiles when printing. > Do they print if 'converted to path'? Yes, paths are no problem, just fonts. -- Stefan Bellon -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Mar 9 23:11:54 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1B0qLS-000396-My-00039V."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 9 Mar 2004 23:11:54 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1B0qLS-000396-My; Tue, 09 Mar 2004 23:09:06 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B0qLS-000396-My; Tue, 09 Mar 2004 23:09:06 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B0qLR-00030U-Ui; Tue, 09 Mar 2004 23:09:05 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B0qLG-0006I1-IB; Tue, 09 Mar 2004 23:08:54 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i29N8mE32596 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 9 Mar 2004 23:08:48 GMT Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i29N8lS32591 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 2004 23:08:47 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1B0qL9-000J5c-0Y for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 09 Mar 2004 23:08:47 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 23:07:44 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro does not print fonts in enbedded Drawfiles References: <4c8c8c41e2sbellon@sbellon.de> <05fd8c8c4c.martin@mw-software.com> <4c8d1995bcsbellon@sbellon.de> <464a1b8d4c.martin@mw-software.com> <4c8d1db1fesbellon@sbellon.de> <4C8D2AF399%mik.towse@xemik.com> <4c8d2bf376sbellon@sbellon.de> In-Reply-To: <4c8d2bf376sbellon@sbellon.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Right. Some experiments. It seems the problem *is* negative memory addresses. There's a long saga about these, and it's surprising no one has picked up this as the cause. If you set up SpecialFX to use the Caligraph fix, the problem goes away. The other solution is to avoid negative addresses - run OP before many other programs. I'll go investigate further, the obvious question is if the problem is within OP or in RISC OS 5. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Mar 10 14:25:58 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1B0wzr-0005RX-Jj-0005Rw."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 10 Mar 2004 14:25:58 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1B0wzr-0005RX-Jj; Wed, 10 Mar 2004 06:15:15 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B0wzr-0005RX-Jj; Wed, 10 Mar 2004 06:15:15 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B0wzq-0004ax-U7; Wed, 10 Mar 2004 06:15:14 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B0wzl-0006Ic-R2; Wed, 10 Mar 2004 06:15:09 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i2A6EsL07716 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 10 Mar 2004 06:14:54 GMT Received: from roma.localnet (p5091A9FE.dip.t-dialin.net [80.145.169.254]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i2A6Epl07696 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 2004 06:14:51 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [192.168.0.105] (helo=iyonix) by roma.localnet with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1B0wzS-0002Gk-00 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 2004 07:14:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Bellon To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 07:11:25 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro does not print fonts in enbedded Drawfiles Message-ID: <4c8d56c554sbellon@sbellon.de> In-Reply-To: References: <4c8c8c41e2sbellon@sbellon.de> <05fd8c8c4c.martin@mw-software.com> <4c8d1995bcsbellon@sbellon.de> <464a1b8d4c.martin@mw-software.com> <4c8d1db1fesbellon@sbellon.de> <4C8D2AF399%mik.towse@xemik.com> <4c8d2bf376sbellon@sbellon.de> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.05) POPstar/2.05 X-Request-PGP: http://www.sbellon.de/gpg.asc X-PGP-ID: 05360CB9 / 55DB 48FE BA59 7BA0 2B9D 4822 38C5 EC21 0536 0CB9 X-URL: http://www.sbellon.de/ Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) David Pilling wrote: > If you set up SpecialFX to use the Caligraph fix, the problem goes > away. Thanks for this workaround! -- Stefan Bellon -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Mar 10 14:26:03 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1B10LB-00079Z-7S-0007AQ."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 10 Mar 2004 14:26:03 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1B10LB-00079Z-7S; Wed, 10 Mar 2004 09:49:30 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B10LB-00079Z-7S; Wed, 10 Mar 2004 09:49:29 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B10LB-0003jW-3A; Wed, 10 Mar 2004 09:49:29 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B10L3-0001fw-Uj; Wed, 10 Mar 2004 09:49:21 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i2A9mmv16556 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 10 Mar 2004 09:48:48 GMT Received: from linda-2.paradise.net.nz (bm-2a.paradise.net.nz [202.0.58.21]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i2A9mlg16549 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 2004 09:48:47 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from smtp-1.paradise.net.nz (smtp-1b.paradise.net.nz [202.0.32.210]) by linda-2.paradise.net.nz (Paradise.net.nz) with ESMTP id <0HUC006KETX88M@linda-2.paradise.net.nz> for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 10 Mar 2004 22:48:45 +1300 (NZDT) Received: from eyewear.paradise.net.nz (203-96-156-31.tnt6.paradise.net.nz [203.96.156.31]) by smtp-1.paradise.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AB7A82CA4 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 2004 22:48:43 +1300 (NZDT) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 22:47:16 +1200 From: brian Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro does not print fonts in enbedded Drawfiles In-reply-to: <4c8d56c554sbellon@sbellon.de> To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Message-id: <4c8d70067badamlists@paradise.net.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.05) POPstar/2.04-pre2 References: <4c8c8c41e2sbellon@sbellon.de> <05fd8c8c4c.martin@mw-software.com> <4c8d1995bcsbellon@sbellon.de> <464a1b8d4c.martin@mw-software.com> <4c8d1db1fesbellon@sbellon.de> <4C8D2AF399%mik.towse@xemik.com> <4c8d2bf376sbellon@sbellon.de> <4c8d56c554sbellon@sbellon.de> Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_10,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4c8d56c554sbellon@sbellon.de>, Stefan Bellon wrote: > David Pilling wrote: > > If you set up SpecialFX to use the Caligraph fix, the problem goes > > away. > Thanks for this workaround! What and where is SpecialFX? Here, it seems unavailable to non-foundation people: http://foundation.riscos.com/html/freesoft/RISCOS/ -- Brian Adam Auckland NEW ZEALAND -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Mar 10 14:35:50 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1B14nC-000506-Ja-00051p."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 10 Mar 2004 14:35:50 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1B14nC-000506-Ja; Wed, 10 Mar 2004 14:34:42 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B14nC-000506-Ja; Wed, 10 Mar 2004 14:34:42 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B14nB-0004bK-Rz; Wed, 10 Mar 2004 14:34:41 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B14mu-0006Sm-Pf; Wed, 10 Mar 2004 14:34:24 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i2AEXvU06591 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 10 Mar 2004 14:33:57 GMT Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i2AEXtZ06571 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 2004 14:33:56 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1B14mR-000G4f-0b for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 10 Mar 2004 14:33:55 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 14:32:49 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro does not print fonts in enbedded Drawfiles References: <4c8c8c41e2sbellon@sbellon.de> <05fd8c8c4c.martin@mw-software.com> <4c8d1995bcsbellon@sbellon.de> <464a1b8d4c.martin@mw-software.com> <4c8d1db1fesbellon@sbellon.de> <4C8D2AF399%mik.towse@xemik.com> <4c8d2bf376sbellon@sbellon.de> <4c8d56c554sbellon@sbellon.de> <4c8d70067badamlists@paradise.net.nz> In-Reply-To: <4c8d70067badamlists@paradise.net.nz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >What and where is SpecialFX? ISTR Richard Hallas talked Castle into supplying it on the Iyonix. There's certainly a 32 bit version. It derives from my FontFix module, which is available free on my web site. But as I say if you need it (got an Iyonix) you've got it. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Mar 10 17:05:57 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1B172y-0003Eu-HI-0003FZ."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 10 Mar 2004 17:05:57 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1B172y-0003Eu-HI; Wed, 10 Mar 2004 16:59:08 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B172y-0003Eu-HI; Wed, 10 Mar 2004 16:59:08 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B172y-0003pK-5p; Wed, 10 Mar 2004 16:59:08 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B172q-0000or-W4; Wed, 10 Mar 2004 16:59:00 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i2AGwN417086 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 10 Mar 2004 16:58:23 GMT Received: from server0027.freedom2surf.net (server0027.freedom2surf.net [194.106.33.36]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i2AGwM117071 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 2004 16:58:22 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from wallace (i-195-137-110-177.freedom2surf.net [195.137.110.177]) by server0027.freedom2surf.net (8.12.6/8.12.6/Debian-7) with ESMTP id i2AGwLdA005873 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 2004 16:58:21 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Brian Carroll To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 16:49:34 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro does not print fonts in enbedded Drawfiles Message-ID: <4c8d9131babric@f2s.com> In-Reply-To: References: <4c8c8c41e2sbellon@sbellon.de> <05fd8c8c4c.martin@mw-software.com> <4c8d1995bcsbellon@sbellon.de> <464a1b8d4c.martin@mw-software.com> <4c8d1db1fesbellon@sbellon.de> <4C8D2AF399%mik.towse@xemik.com> <4c8d2bf376sbellon@sbellon.de> <4c8d56c554sbellon@sbellon.de> <4c8d70067badamlists@paradise.net.nz> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.37) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , David Pilling wrote: > >What and where is SpecialFX? > ... It derives from my FontFix module, which is available free > on my web site. But as I say if you need it (got an Iyonix) > you've got it. I seem to have it in Select 3i3 as well - see Configure -> Extensions -> SpecialFX. But I cannot remember whether it came like that or whether I have added it. Brian. -- ______________________________________________________________ Brian Carroll, Ripon, North Yorkshire, UK bric at f2s dot com ______________________________________________________________ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Mar 10 18:36:02 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1B18YE-0002Lq-DK-0002MH."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 10 Mar 2004 18:36:02 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1B18YE-0002Lq-DK; Wed, 10 Mar 2004 18:35:30 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B18YE-0002Lq-DK; Wed, 10 Mar 2004 18:35:30 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B18YD-00034J-U8; Wed, 10 Mar 2004 18:35:29 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B18Y3-0003br-3M; Wed, 10 Mar 2004 18:35:19 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i2AIYt928135 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 10 Mar 2004 18:34:55 GMT Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i2AIYsJ28127 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 2004 18:34:54 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1B18Xd-0000Vj-0b for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 10 Mar 2004 18:34:53 +0000 Message-ID: <+8VnxhDy91TAFwW5@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 18:33:22 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro does not print fonts in enbedded Drawfiles References: <4c8c8c41e2sbellon@sbellon.de> <05fd8c8c4c.martin@mw-software.com> <4c8d1995bcsbellon@sbellon.de> <464a1b8d4c.martin@mw-software.com> <4c8d1db1fesbellon@sbellon.de> <4C8D2AF399%mik.towse@xemik.com> <4c8d2bf376sbellon@sbellon.de> <4c8d56c554sbellon@sbellon.de> <4c8d70067badamlists@paradise.net.nz> <4c8d9131babric@f2s.com> In-Reply-To: <4c8d9131babric@f2s.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >From: Richard Hallas >> What and where is SpecialFX? > > ISTR Richard Hallas talked Castle into supplying it on the Iyonix. > There's certainly a 32 bit version. > > It derives from my FontFix module, which is available free on my web > site. But as I say if you need it (got an Iyonix) you've got it. It is indeed supplied with every Iyonix. Not installed by default, but it can be found here on the hard disc: $.Bundled.3rdParty.SFX It's also supplied with Select, and can be found on any recent issue of Foundation RISC User (Free software archive > RISC OS Extras). Whilst I can understand the reluctance to supply it pre-installed (it's a patch that can theoretically cause strange and unexpected behaviour), in reality it provides really useful benefits and is unlikely to cause problems with most software. For applications with which it does cause problems, you can toggle the individual features on a per-application basis using the supplied configuration utility. -- Richard -=-=-=- Richard G. Hallas * Writer & Designer * Editor, Foundation RISC User Proprietor of KeyNote: Music Typesetting & General Desktop Publishing Email: Richard@Hallas.net / Richard@riscos.com * Tel/Fax: 01484 460280 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Mar 10 20:06:06 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1B19qG-0007Eu-IC-0007Fj."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 10 Mar 2004 20:06:06 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1B19qG-0007Eu-IC; Wed, 10 Mar 2004 19:58:13 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B19qG-0007Eu-IC; Wed, 10 Mar 2004 19:58:12 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B19qG-0002B7-FV; Wed, 10 Mar 2004 19:58:12 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B19q2-0004oB-Ki; Wed, 10 Mar 2004 19:57:58 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i2AJvc928276 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 10 Mar 2004 19:57:38 GMT Received: from linda-2.paradise.net.nz (bm-2a.paradise.net.nz [202.0.58.21]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i2AJvZH28260 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 2004 19:57:35 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from smtp-3.paradise.net.nz (smtp-3b.paradise.net.nz [202.0.32.212]) by linda-2.paradise.net.nz (Paradise.net.nz) with ESMTP id <0HUD009OQM3U6L@linda-2.paradise.net.nz> for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 11 Mar 2004 08:57:32 +1300 (NZDT) Received: from eyewear.paradise.net.nz (203-96-156-8.tnt6.paradise.net.nz [203.96.156.8]) by smtp-3.paradise.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2934AAEC56 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 2004 08:55:04 +1300 (NZDT) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 08:54:09 +1200 From: brian Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro does not print fonts in enbedded Drawfiles In-reply-to: <+8VnxhDy91TAFwW5@pilling.demon.co.uk> To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Message-id: <4c8da79628adamlists@paradise.net.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.05) POPstar/2.04-pre2 X-Editor: Zap 1.46 (03 Jun 2003) [TEST], ZapEmail 0.27 (21 Mar 2003) test-6 (32) References: <4c8c8c41e2sbellon@sbellon.de> <05fd8c8c4c.martin@mw-software.com> <4c8d1995bcsbellon@sbellon.de> <464a1b8d4c.martin@mw-software.com> <4c8d1db1fesbellon@sbellon.de> <4C8D2AF399%mik.towse@xemik.com> <4c8d2bf376sbellon@sbellon.de> <4c8d56c554sbellon@sbellon.de> <4c8d70067badamlists@paradise.net.nz> <4c8d9131babric@f2s.com> <+8VnxhDy91TAFwW5@pilling.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <+8VnxhDy91TAFwW5@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >> What and where is SpecialFX? > $.Bundled.3rdParty.SFX Wonderful, thanks. I'll see how it goes, but... In article , David Pilling wrote: > If you set up SpecialFX to use the Caligraph fix, the problem goes away. I can't see any mention of this in the setup. Should I worry? Or just hang in there. -- Brian Adam Auckland NEW ZEALAND -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Mar 10 20:46:08 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1B1ATO-0003Vv-GC-0003WV."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 10 Mar 2004 20:46:08 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1B1ATO-0003Vv-GC; Wed, 10 Mar 2004 20:38:38 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B1ATO-0003Vv-GC; Wed, 10 Mar 2004 20:38:38 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B1ATN-0007jJ-QY; Wed, 10 Mar 2004 20:38:37 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B1ASo-0007tZ-OW; Wed, 10 Mar 2004 20:38:02 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i2AKboo12749 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 10 Mar 2004 20:37:50 GMT Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i2AKbkC12714 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 2004 20:37:46 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1B1ASX-000LdD-0W for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 10 Mar 2004 20:37:46 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 20:36:22 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro does not print fonts in enbedded Drawfiles References: <4c8c8c41e2sbellon@sbellon.de> <05fd8c8c4c.martin@mw-software.com> <4c8d1995bcsbellon@sbellon.de> <464a1b8d4c.martin@mw-software.com> <4c8d1db1fesbellon@sbellon.de> <4C8D2AF399%mik.towse@xemik.com> <4c8d2bf376sbellon@sbellon.de> <4c8d56c554sbellon@sbellon.de> <4c8d70067badamlists@paradise.net.nz> <4c8d9131babric@f2s.com> <+8VnxhDy91TAFwW5@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c8da79628adamlists@paradise.net.nz> In-Reply-To: <4c8da79628adamlists@paradise.net.nz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >I can't see any mention of this in the setup. >Should I worry? Or just hang in there. Seems lots of mention of it in the !Help files. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Mar 11 03:16:28 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1B1Gbo-0000Dm-MZ-0000EB."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 11 Mar 2004 03:16:28 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1B1Gbo-0000Dm-MZ; Thu, 11 Mar 2004 03:11:45 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B1Gbo-0000Dm-MZ; Thu, 11 Mar 2004 03:11:44 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B1Gbo-0002Ju-QW; Thu, 11 Mar 2004 03:11:44 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B1Gbb-0003AM-CU; Thu, 11 Mar 2004 03:11:31 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i2B3BGw00609 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 11 Mar 2004 03:11:16 GMT Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i2B3BFH00606 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 2004 03:11:15 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1B1GbL-0000xv-0V for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 11 Mar 2004 03:11:15 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 03:10:09 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro does not print fonts in enbedded Drawfiles References: <4c8c8c41e2sbellon@sbellon.de> <05fd8c8c4c.martin@mw-software.com> <4c8d1995bcsbellon@sbellon.de> <464a1b8d4c.martin@mw-software.com> <4c8d1db1fesbellon@sbellon.de> <4C8D2AF399%mik.towse@xemik.com> <4c8d2bf376sbellon@sbellon.de> <4c8d56c554sbellon@sbellon.de> <4c8d70067badamlists@paradise.net.nz> <4c8d9131babric@f2s.com> <+8VnxhDy91TAFwW5@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c8da79628adamlists@paradise.net.nz> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, I've just uploaded Ovation Pro 2.74 for RISC OS to my web site. The change in this is that strings in Draw files are copied down to low memory before being rendered. In other words it fixes the problem discussed in this thread without using SpecialFX/FontFix. For my money they are too risky for things to depend on them. I'd guess that unless you have an Iyonix with 512MB RAM this fix is not important for you. It is possible to get the problem on a 128MB Iyonix, and it may be possible on RISC OS 3/4 machines. http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/upgrade/op274.zip -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From tim@powys.org Thu Mar 11 13:14:11 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1B1KXW-0005A1-5k-0005A3."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 11 Mar 2004 13:14:11 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1B1KXW-0005A1-5k; Thu, 11 Mar 2004 07:23:34 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B1KXW-0005A1-5k for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 11 Mar 2004 07:23:34 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.89] (helo=anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B1KXW-0000kH-I7 for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 11 Mar 2004 07:23:34 +0000 Received: from south-frm.demon.co.uk ([80.177.26.219] helo=greatest) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1B1KXW-000P2m-0V for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 11 Mar 2004 07:23:34 +0000 Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 07:23:09 GMT From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: opro@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro does not print fonts in enbedded Drawfiles Message-ID: <6c2ce18d4c.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> References: <4c8c8c41e2sbellon@sbellon.de> <05fd8c8c4c.martin@mw-software.com> <4c8d1995bcsbellon@sbellon.de> <464a1b8d4c.martin@mw-software.com> <4c8d1db1fesbellon@sbellon.de> <4C8D2AF399%mik.towse@xemik.com> <4c8d2bf376sbellon@sbellon.de> <4c8d56c554sbellon@sbellon.de> <4c8d70067badamlists@paradise.net.nz> <4c8d9131babric@f2s.com> <+8VnxhDy91TAFwW5@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c8da79628adamlists@paradise.net.nz> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.05) POPstar/2.05 Return-Receipt-To: tim@powys.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message from David Pilling of 11 Mar you wrote: > Hi, > > I've just uploaded Ovation Pro 2.74 for RISC OS to my web site. > > The change in this is that strings in Draw files are copied down to low > memory before being rendered. In other words it fixes the problem > discussed in this thread without using SpecialFX/FontFix. For my money > they are too risky for things to depend on them. > > I'd guess that unless you have an Iyonix with 512MB RAM this fix is not > important for you. It is possible to get the problem on a 128MB Iyonix, > and it may be possible on RISC OS 3/4 machines. > > http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/upgrade/op274.zip > Another thanks for the continued support. regards, -- Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Mar 11 13:14:12 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1B1L56-0000OV-H9-0000PN."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 11 Mar 2004 13:14:12 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1B1L56-0000OV-H9; Thu, 11 Mar 2004 07:58:17 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B1L56-0000OV-H9; Thu, 11 Mar 2004 07:58:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B1L56-0006EX-3X; Thu, 11 Mar 2004 07:58:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B1L4z-0005WP-Is; Thu, 11 Mar 2004 07:58:09 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i2B7vll31855 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 11 Mar 2004 07:57:47 GMT Received: from mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk (mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk [212.9.8.7]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i2B7vjO31837 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 2004 07:57:45 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from iyonix [82.112.128.86] by mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id AB0FA950122; Thu, 11 Mar 2004 07:53:51 +0000 Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 07:58:27 GMT From: michael talibard To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] smart quotes Message-ID: <0568e48d4c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> References: <8bdfcc894c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> <3c09cf894c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <3c09cf894c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by svr1.spellings.net id i2B7vkO31844 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SMTPD_IN_RCVD,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) If one drops plain text into OvPro with 'smart quotes' ticked, then of course it converts ' into at the start of words, but only by looking for spaces. If the ' is preceded by a tab, as they often are, then you get a ‘ instead, which in a long piece of text can be very inconvenient. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Mar 11 14:24:03 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1B1R18-0006XT-K1-0006Y7."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 11 Mar 2004 14:24:03 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1B1R18-0006XT-K1; Thu, 11 Mar 2004 14:18:35 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B1R18-0006XT-K1; Thu, 11 Mar 2004 14:18:34 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B1R17-0003TW-U1; Thu, 11 Mar 2004 14:18:33 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B1R0y-0000PE-NY; Thu, 11 Mar 2004 14:18:24 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i2BEIBQ09492 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 11 Mar 2004 14:18:11 GMT Received: from smtp10.wxs.nl (smtp10.wxs.nl [195.121.6.35]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i2BEI9r09482 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 2004 14:18:10 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from me (ip51cc4b49.speed.planet.nl [81.204.75.73]) by smtp10.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.14 (built Mar 18 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HUF00BDF0XGTY@smtp10.wxs.nl> for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 11 Mar 2004 15:15:16 +0100 (MET) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 15:18:16 +0100 From: Paul Sprangers Subject: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro DOES print fonts in enbedded Drawfiles To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Message-id: <4c8e072deepaul@delink.nl> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.05) POPstar/2.04-pre2 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >I've just uploaded Ovation Pro 2.74 for RISC OS to my web site. Yes! Hurray!! It works. At last! Very happy. I was bored changing all those drawfiles to AW-variants. Thank you very much, Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Mar 11 14:34:04 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1B1RBU-0001Ar-4T-0001BE."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 11 Mar 2004 14:34:04 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1B1RBU-0001Ar-4T; Thu, 11 Mar 2004 14:29:17 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B1RBU-0001Ar-4T; Thu, 11 Mar 2004 14:29:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B1RBU-000350-3y; Thu, 11 Mar 2004 14:29:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B1RBP-0002p0-PZ; Thu, 11 Mar 2004 14:29:11 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i2BESxP14728 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 11 Mar 2004 14:28:59 GMT Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i2BEStW14689 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 2004 14:28:55 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1B1RB8-000PWP-0W for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 11 Mar 2004 14:28:55 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 14:27:38 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro DOES print fonts in enbedded Drawfiles References: <4c8e072deepaul@delink.nl> In-Reply-To: <4c8e072deepaul@delink.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >It works. At last! And the moral to this tale, is always suspect high bit memory problems. Because this is not the last one that is going to turn up on the Iyonix. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Mar 11 14:34:04 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1B1RBx-0005nC-MG-0005nj."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 11 Mar 2004 14:34:04 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1B1RBx-0005nC-MG; Thu, 11 Mar 2004 14:29:46 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B1RBx-0005nC-MG; Thu, 11 Mar 2004 14:29:45 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B1RBx-0004gN-Nk; Thu, 11 Mar 2004 14:29:45 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B1RBw-0002xj-Jb; Thu, 11 Mar 2004 14:29:44 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i2BETdj15012 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 11 Mar 2004 14:29:39 GMT Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i2BETan14984 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 2004 14:29:36 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1B1RBn-000Pfo-0W for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 11 Mar 2004 14:29:35 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 14:28:07 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] smart quotes References: <8bdfcc894c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> <3c09cf894c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> <0568e48d4c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <0568e48d4c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >If one drops plain text into OvPro with 'smart quotes' OK. noted. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Mar 12 20:55:17 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1B1tbo-0007WY-BW-0007X3."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 12 Mar 2004 20:55:17 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1B1tbo-0007WY-BW; Fri, 12 Mar 2004 20:50:21 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B1tbo-0007WY-BW; Fri, 12 Mar 2004 20:50:20 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B1tbo-0004E5-C2; Fri, 12 Mar 2004 20:50:20 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B1tbd-0008M1-F0; Fri, 12 Mar 2004 20:50:09 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i2CKnOt16052 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 12 Mar 2004 20:49:24 GMT Received: from mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (mta01-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.41]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i2CKnNl16045 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 2004 20:49:23 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from j8s0v7 ([80.5.10.135]) by mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20040312204908.OBTP2185.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@j8s0v7> for ; Fri, 12 Mar 2004 20:49:08 +0000 Message-ID: <008a01c40873$6ababa20$6401a8c0@j8s0v7> From: "John Grogan" To: "David Pilling \(softwarelist\)" Subject: [softwarelist] Error in page calculation in Pamphlet / Print Sheet Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 20:48:45 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0087_01C40873.6A0B4040" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0087_01C40873.6A0B4040 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, David, I have observed the following when printing a single sheet of a 48-page = pamphlet: Selecting an even-odd pair of pages such as 2,47 is OK - both pages come = out on the same sheet (back). Selecting an odd-even pair of pages such as 3,46 (or even 46,3) produces = two separate sheets (3 front, 46 back). Selecting a range of pages (e.g. "All pages") and scrolling through the = "Print sheet..." box puts 3 and 46 on the same page as you would expect. Not a big deal but it looks like it should be in the list of things that = need tidying up sometime. Regards John Grogan ------=_NextPart_000_0087_01C40873.6A0B4040 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello, David,
 
I have observed the following when = printing a=20 single sheet of a 48-page pamphlet:
 
Selecting an even-odd pair of = pages such as=20 2,47 is OK - both pages come out on the same sheet (back).
 
Selecting an odd-even pair of pages = such as 3,46=20 (or even 46,3) produces two separate sheets (3 front, 46 = back).
 
Selecting a range of pages (e.g. "All = pages") and=20 scrolling through the "Print sheet..." box puts 3 and 46 on the same = page as you=20 would expect.
 
Not a big deal but it looks like it = should be in=20 the list of things that need tidying up sometime.
 
Regards
John Grogan
------=_NextPart_000_0087_01C40873.6A0B4040-- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Mar 12 22:05:21 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1B1ul8-0006yN-Ky-0006ym."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 12 Mar 2004 22:05:21 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1B1ul8-0006yN-Ky; Fri, 12 Mar 2004 22:04:03 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B1ul8-0006yN-Ky; Fri, 12 Mar 2004 22:04:02 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B1ul8-0004Au-Ag; Fri, 12 Mar 2004 22:04:02 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B1ul3-0008Ue-Iq; Fri, 12 Mar 2004 22:03:57 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i2CM3mx08928 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 12 Mar 2004 22:03:48 GMT Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i2CM3k008906 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 2004 22:03:46 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1B1ukr-000DA8-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 12 Mar 2004 22:03:45 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 22:02:21 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Error in page calculation in Pamphlet / Print Sheet References: <008a01c40873$6ababa20$6401a8c0@j8s0v7> In-Reply-To: <008a01c40873$6ababa20$6401a8c0@j8s0v7> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Selecting an odd-even pair of pages such as 3,46 (or even 46,3) produces >two separate sheets (3 front, 46 back). I'm not sure this is wrong. From my point of view you're saying you have a document with 2 pages in it (the pages 3 and 46) and it prints those like it would if you had a real document with just two pages. If you want to just print one sheet out of a document you can use the sheet print facility, or ISTR specify all the pages on the sheet. What were you trying to do? -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Mar 12 23:25:25 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1B1vuj-0002dS-J2-0002f2."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 12 Mar 2004 23:25:25 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1B1vuj-0002dS-J2; Fri, 12 Mar 2004 23:18:03 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B1vuj-0002dS-J2; Fri, 12 Mar 2004 23:18:01 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B1vuj-0006MY-NS; Fri, 12 Mar 2004 23:18:01 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B1vuf-0005Oj-S6; Fri, 12 Mar 2004 23:17:57 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i2CNHmR29855 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 12 Mar 2004 23:17:48 GMT Received: from mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (mta05-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.45]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i2CNHlx29849 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 2004 23:17:47 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from j8s0v7 ([80.5.10.135]) by mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20040312231653.HWCP27661.mta05-svc.ntlworld.com@j8s0v7> for ; Fri, 12 Mar 2004 23:16:53 +0000 Message-ID: <00a301c40888$29d7cec0$6401a8c0@j8s0v7> From: "John Grogan" To: "David Pilling \(softwarelist\)" Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Error in page calculation in Pamphlet / Print Sheet Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 23:17:18 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00A0_01C40888.29A57420" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00A0_01C40888.29A57420 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >>Selecting an odd-even pair of pages such as 3,46 (or even 46,3) = produces >>two separate sheets (3 front, 46 back). > >I'm not sure this is wrong. From my point of view you're saying you = have=20 >a document with 2 pages in it (the pages 3 and 46) and it prints those=20 >like it would if you had a real document with just two pages. > >If you want to just print one sheet out of a document you can use the=20 >sheet print facility, or ISTR specify all the pages on the sheet. > >What were you trying to do? As I said, not a big deal. Selecting the whole document and using the = "Sheet print..." facility works fine. It just seemed inconsistent that = specifying an even/odd pair of pages like 2,47 printed both pages on one = sheet as expected but specifying an odd/even pair of pages like 3,46 = produced two separate sheets. If another page is added to the selection = (for example 3,45,46), this does print 3 and 46 on one sheet as you = would expect. I suppose you could look at it the other way round and = say that specifying an even/odd pair like 2,47 or a group like 3,45,46 = produces the wrong result because it pairs the pages up as they would be = if you printed the whole pamphlet. Please don't lose any sleep over it! Regards John Grogan ------=_NextPart_000_00A0_01C40888.29A57420 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>>Selecting an odd-even pair of pages such as 3,46 (or = even 46,3)=20 produces
>>two separate sheets (3 front, 46 back).
>
>I'm not sure this is wrong. From my point of = view=20 you're saying you have
>a document with 2 pages in it (the pages = 3 and=20 46) and it prints those
>like it would if you had a real document = with=20 just two pages.
>
>If you = want to=20 just print one sheet out of a document you can use the
>sheet = print=20 facility, or ISTR specify all the pages on the sheet.
>
>What were you trying to do?


As = I said,=20 not a big deal.  Selecting the whole document and using the "Sheet=20 print..." facility works fine.  It just seemed inconsistent that = specifying=20 an even/odd pair of pages like 2,47 printed both pages on one = sheet as=20 expected but specifying an odd/even pair of pages like 3,46 produced two = separate sheets.  If another page is added to the selection (for = example=20 3,45,46), this does print 3 and 46 on one sheet as you would=20 expect.  I suppose you could look at it the other way round and say = that=20 specifying an even/odd pair like 2,47 or a group like 3,45,46 = produces the=20 wrong result because it pairs the pages up as they would be if you = printed the=20 whole pamphlet.
 
Please don't lose any sleep over = it!
 
Regards
John Grogan
------=_NextPart_000_00A0_01C40888.29A57420-- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Mar 12 23:45:26 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1B1wFL-0001Gt-KS-0001Hf."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 12 Mar 2004 23:45:26 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1B1wFL-0001Gt-KS; Fri, 12 Mar 2004 23:39:20 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B1wFL-0001Gt-KS; Fri, 12 Mar 2004 23:39:19 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B1wFL-0001ss-5v; Fri, 12 Mar 2004 23:39:19 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B1wFC-0002SJ-W5; Fri, 12 Mar 2004 23:39:11 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i2CNcwe03528 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 12 Mar 2004 23:38:58 GMT Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i2CNcuV03514 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 2004 23:38:56 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1B1wEx-0004yB-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 12 Mar 2004 23:38:55 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 23:37:18 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Error in page calculation in Pamphlet / Print Sheet References: <00a301c40888$29d7cec0$6401a8c0@j8s0v7> In-Reply-To: <00a301c40888$29d7cec0$6401a8c0@j8s0v7> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by svr1.spellings.net id i2CNcuV03516 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >even/odd pair of pages like 2,47 printed both pages on one sheet as expected >but specifying an odd/even pair of pages like 3,46 produced two separate Yep but odd pages go on the right. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Mar 12 23:45:26 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1B1wGN-0001od-4h-0001pL."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 12 Mar 2004 23:45:26 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1B1wGN-0001od-4h; Fri, 12 Mar 2004 23:40:24 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B1wGN-0001od-4h; Fri, 12 Mar 2004 23:40:23 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B1wGN-0004vB-8e; Fri, 12 Mar 2004 23:40:23 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B1wGG-0002NG-F0; Fri, 12 Mar 2004 23:40:16 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i2CNe9303893 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 12 Mar 2004 23:40:09 GMT Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i2CNe1s03831 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 2004 23:40:02 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from orphean-press.demon.co.uk ([193.237.242.97]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1B1wG0-000LnX-0Y for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 12 Mar 2004 23:40:00 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "P. C. Newble" To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 23:39:20 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Error in page calculation in Pamphlet / Print Sheet Message-ID: <4c8ebe61afmailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <008a01c40873$6ababa20$6401a8c0@j8s0v7> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.05) POPstar/2.04-pre2 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > >Selecting an odd-even pair of pages such as 3,46 (or even 46,3) > >produces two separate sheets (3 front, 46 back). > I'm not sure this is wrong. From my point of view you're saying you > have a document with 2 pages in it (the pages 3 and 46) and it > prints those like it would if you had a real document with just > two pages. > If you want to just print one sheet out of a document you can use > the sheet print facility, or ISTR specify all the pages on the > sheet. I had the same misunderstanding at first, but worked-out what Ovation Pro was doing by trial and error. The point is that Pamphlet and Printers pairs modes affect how /the pages you've selected/ are printed -- it doesn't reflect the "normal" position of the pages in the whole document. Thus, regardless of the total number of pages in the document, you can choose to print 48 of them as a 48pp booklet on 12 sheets of paper, or you could choose to print four of them on one (double-sided) sheet. If, say, the chosen four were pages 3, 8, 23 and 31, you'd get the fourth and first (p31 and p3) on one side and the second and third (p8 and p23) on the other, and some would lose their "correct" L/R positioning. As David says, "Print sheet" is the thing to use in this situation. The only situation where I select a range of pages and then use Pamphlet mode is for a booklet whose cover and inside pages are in the same document, and I want to print separate proofs of the cover and the rest. In that case, for the 48-page booklet in question, I'd print the cover using "Print sheet" (48/1 and 2/47), then the inside using the page range "3 to 46" (giving me a 44pp booklet on 11 double-sided sheets). The (mildly) annoying thing about all this is that "Pamphlet" mode, which gives the "Print sheet" option, takes it upon itself to set the printing scale too. If I'm working on an A5 booklet, the page size will be defined as such throughout, and to print it 2-up on A4 landscape it's still at 100% scale, not the 71% to which it's forced by selecting "Pamphlet". "Printers pairs" mode doesn't suffer from this problem. but nor does it give the "Print sheet" option, which makes it less flexible . . . Peter Newble. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Mar 13 02:05:33 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1B1yTE-0006RS-Hq-0006SV."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 13 Mar 2004 02:05:33 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1B1yTE-0006RS-Hq; Sat, 13 Mar 2004 02:01:49 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B1yTE-0006RS-Hq; Sat, 13 Mar 2004 02:01:48 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B1yTE-0001Bz-AI; Sat, 13 Mar 2004 02:01:48 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B1yT6-0001j2-5Z; Sat, 13 Mar 2004 02:01:40 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i2D20Nb07410 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 13 Mar 2004 02:00:24 GMT Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i2D203r07256 for ; Sat, 13 Mar 2004 02:00:03 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1B1yRU-00041B-0W for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 13 Mar 2004 02:00:00 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 01:58:59 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Error in page calculation in Pamphlet / Print Sheet References: <008a01c40873$6ababa20$6401a8c0@j8s0v7> <4c8ebe61afmailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4c8ebe61afmailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >by selecting "Pamphlet". "Printers pairs" mode doesn't suffer from >this problem. but nor does it give the "Print sheet" option, which >makes it less flexible . . . I didn't know. I could easily fix that. Printers pairs confuses a lot of people, it is identical to pamphlet, but doesn't set the scale. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Mar 13 16:42:05 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1B2C6a-0007Pn-Je-0007QO."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 13 Mar 2004 16:42:05 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1B2C6a-0007Pn-Je; Sat, 13 Mar 2004 16:35:21 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B2C6a-0007Pn-Je; Sat, 13 Mar 2004 16:35:20 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B2C6Z-00007i-TZ; Sat, 13 Mar 2004 16:35:19 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B2C6P-000517-1s; Sat, 13 Mar 2004 16:35:09 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i2DGYlQ13789 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 13 Mar 2004 16:34:47 GMT Received: from mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (mta02-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.42]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i2DGYfC13737 for ; Sat, 13 Mar 2004 16:34:41 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from j8s0v7 ([80.5.10.135]) by mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20040313163402.XFSK14417.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@j8s0v7> for ; Sat, 13 Mar 2004 16:34:02 +0000 Message-ID: <002601c40919$01538660$6401a8c0@j8s0v7> From: "John Grogan" To: "David Pilling \(softwarelist\)" Subject: [softwarelist] Error in page calculation in Pamphlet / Print Sheet Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 16:34:07 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0023_01C40919.0131F4A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C40919.0131F4A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Peter, David, What you're saying is that (2,47) produces a 4-page pamphlet with 2 on = the first available side for an even page and 47 on the first available = side for an odd page /after/ 2 plus two blank pages to make up the = multiple of four. Hence I get a pamphlet with pages blank - 2 - 47 - = blank. Hence 2 and 47 both on "back". On the othe other hand (3,46) produces a 4-page pamphlet with 3 on the = first available side for an odd page and 46 on the first available side = for an even page after that. Hence I get a pamphlet with pages 3 - 46 - = blank - blank. Hence 3 on "front" and 46 on "back". Using the same logic, adding page 45 gives me 3 - blank - 45 - 46. = Hence 3 and 46 both on "front". Isn't that clever! Happy now! Thanks John Grogan ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C40919.0131F4A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks Peter, David,
 
What you're saying is that (2,47) = produces a 4-page=20 pamphlet with 2 on the first available side for an even page and 47 on = the first=20 available side for an odd page /after/ 2 plus two blank pages to make up = the=20 multiple of four.  Hence I get a pamphlet with = pages blank - 2 -=20 47 - blank.  Hence 2 and 47 both on "back".
 
On the othe other hand (3,46) produces = a 4-page=20 pamphlet with 3 on the first available side for an odd page and 46 on = the first=20 available side for an even page after that.  Hence I get a pamphlet = with=20 pages 3 - 46 - blank - blank.  Hence 3 on "front" and 46 on=20 "back".
 
Using the same logic, adding page 45 = gives me 3 -=20 blank - 45 - 46.  Hence 3 and 46 both on "front".
 
Isn't that clever!  Happy = now!
 
Thanks
John Grogan
------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C40919.0131F4A0-- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Mar 16 16:55:48 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1B2DIH-0003Iv-Lz-0003MF."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 16 Mar 2004 16:55:48 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1B2DIH-0003Iv-Lz; Sat, 13 Mar 2004 17:51:31 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B2DIH-0003Iv-Lz; Sat, 13 Mar 2004 17:51:29 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B2DIH-0004ir-Kv; Sat, 13 Mar 2004 17:51:29 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B2DID-00018s-QS; Sat, 13 Mar 2004 17:51:25 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i2DHpAC11103 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 13 Mar 2004 17:51:10 GMT Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i2DHp5r11060 for ; Sat, 13 Mar 2004 17:51:05 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from edencroft2.demon.co.uk ([194.222.220.137] helo=Jeremy) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1B2DHs-0006zI-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 13 Mar 2004 17:51:04 +0000 Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 17:52:43 GMT From: Jeremy To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] Altering page numbering of chapters. Message-ID: X-Organization: Eden Croft User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13S) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_20,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi all: I guess this has been discussed before? Apologies if so! I'm using a previous OPro A5 pamphlet-style document as the basis of a new version. Now, I want to alter the page-numbering so that Chapter 2 starts at page '1', instead of its previous setting of '25'. If I select a frame in the FIRST page of 'Chapter 2', which is on a RIGHT-HAND page (the lefthand page being the last page of 'Chapter 1'), and then bring up - Menu -> Page -> Modify chapter... - the 'Modify chapter' window which is raised is that for chapter /ONE/, not Chapter /TWO/. Of course I didn't spot this was the wrong window for my purposes, and so spent ages puzzling why altering '25' to '1' and OK-ing did nothing! [Chapter ONE's two pages had its page-numbers obscured by overlying frames, so I couldn't see that I was successfully changing page-numbers - but in the wrong chapter!] Selecting a Chapter 2 page from one of the /following/ pages (i.e. NOT Chapter 2's first page) correctly brings up the 'Modify chapter 2' window, and allows the page-number to be altered as expected. The problem must be something to do with the pairing of left- and right-hand pages, even when a new chapter starts on the RH page...? --------------------------------------------------------------------- A possibly-related quirk is that - wierdly - the page-numbers and chapter-numbers given in the 'About this file' window (F1 or the 'Info' button) are mostly incorrect, and depend upon just WHERE ON THE SCREEN the page you have selected is situated! For the life of me I cannot work out just what is going on! E.g.: clicking F1 on my right-hand Chapter TWO, page ONE tells me in the 'About this file' window that it's 'Chapter 1' and 'Page 2' when the page is all visible on screen, but scrolling the page up until only its bottom half is visible and F1-ing now tells me it's 'Chapter 2' and 'Page 2' - still wrong! [It is in fact the THIRD page of the document, Chapter 1 having just two pages.] Reduce the zoom to 50% (allowing me to see parts of 8 pages on screen at once), and F1 on ANY page throws it completely! - it's telling me that ALL those 8 pages are 'Page 4' of 'Chapter 2'!! I'm reduced to counting by eye! I don't THINK I'm doing anything wrong - but, these days, who knows?! Jeremy. -- Jeremy Roberts Ahhhhh... RISC OS and the Iyonix: Now THAT's computing - simple - elegant - productive - AND a no-M$oft zone! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Mar 16 16:56:16 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1B2sbF-0002jv-Lb-0002km."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 16 Mar 2004 16:56:16 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1B2sbF-0002jv-Lb; Mon, 15 Mar 2004 13:57:50 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B2sbF-0002jv-Lb; Mon, 15 Mar 2004 13:57:49 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B2sbF-000147-FG; Mon, 15 Mar 2004 13:57:49 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B2sb9-0002RS-Hs; Mon, 15 Mar 2004 13:57:43 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i2FDvGh06537 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 15 Mar 2004 13:57:16 GMT Received: from obelix.spectraweb.ch (mailrelay03.sunrise.ch [194.158.229.31]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i2FDvF806514 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 2004 13:57:15 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from janvredenburchsmile.ch (abo-zh-1-1-dialup-204.spectraweb.ch [194.230.6.204]) by obelix.spectraweb.ch (8.12.9/8.12.6) with SMTP id i2FDvEFH010934 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 2004 14:57:14 +0100 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 14:56:48 +0100 (GMT) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Error in page calculation in Pamphlet / Print Sheet To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net In-Reply-To: <4c8ebe61afmailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: CIC member; Secretariaat St. Van Vredenburch X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 14:14:12 +0100 (GMT) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Error in page calculation in Pamphlet / Print Sheet To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net On Sat 13 Mar, P. C. Newble wrote: snip page number part > The (mildly) annoying thing about all this is that "Pamphlet" mode, > which gives the "Print sheet" option, takes it upon itself to set the > printing scale too. If I'm working on an A5 booklet, the page size > will be defined as such throughout, and to print it 2-up on A4 > landscape it's still at 100% scale, not the 71% to which it's forced > ........ Well, that's the default setting. You can change the 71 in Print>Print setup. JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch, CH - 6006 Luzern . -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Mar 16 16:56:17 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1B2sbI-00042U-Fd-00043A."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 16 Mar 2004 16:56:17 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1B2sbI-00042U-Fd; Mon, 15 Mar 2004 13:57:53 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B2sbI-00042U-Fd; Mon, 15 Mar 2004 13:57:52 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B2sbI-0004UF-Gf; Mon, 15 Mar 2004 13:57:52 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B2sbA-0008K9-0c; Mon, 15 Mar 2004 13:57:44 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i2FDvHL06563 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 15 Mar 2004 13:57:17 GMT Received: from obelix.spectraweb.ch (mailrelay03.sunrise.ch [194.158.229.31]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i2FDvGf06534 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 2004 13:57:16 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from janvredenburchsmile.ch (abo-zh-1-1-dialup-204.spectraweb.ch [194.230.6.204]) by obelix.spectraweb.ch (8.12.9/8.12.6) with SMTP id i2FDvEFJ010934 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 2004 14:57:15 +0100 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 14:52:00 +0100 (GMT) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Altering page numbering of chapters. To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: CIC member; Secretariaat St. Van Vredenburch X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 14:40:48 +0100 (GMT) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Altering page numbering of chapters. To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net On Sat 13 Mar, Jeremy wrote: > > Hi all: > > I guess this has been discussed before? Apologies if so! > > I'm using a previous OPro A5 pamphlet-style document as the basis of a > new version. > > Now, I want to alter the page-numbering so that Chapter 2 starts at page > '1', instead of its previous setting of '25'. To start with: RTFM ;-) Index page 294: Chapter, modify . . . . 157 > > If I select a frame in the FIRST page of 'Chapter 2', which is on a > RIGHT-HAND page (the lefthand page being the last page of 'Chapter 1'), > and then bring up - Menu -> Page -> Modify chapter... > > - the 'Modify chapter' window which is raised is that for chapter /ONE/, > not Chapter /TWO/. Same Index page: Chapter, current number . . . . . 14, 151. In this case page 151 gives you the info you want. When viewing double pages (both pages fully visible on screen) the info bar states the number of the lefthand page. Try the following: Have full double page view. Then diminish the screen to half width. Then move the bottom ruler sideways and look what happens with the page number on the Info bar. You can do the same with the vertical Ruler. While doing this watch the position of the pages in the window. Snip the rest. JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch, CH - 6006 Luzern . -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Mar 16 16:56:18 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1B2sxG-0003a7-Od-0003bA."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 16 Mar 2004 16:56:18 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1B2sxG-0003a7-Od; Mon, 15 Mar 2004 14:20:35 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B2sxG-0003a7-Od; Mon, 15 Mar 2004 14:20:34 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B2sxG-0007hf-DY; Mon, 15 Mar 2004 14:20:34 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B2sxA-0003dT-DK; Mon, 15 Mar 2004 14:20:28 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i2FEKEq19584 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 15 Mar 2004 14:20:14 GMT Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i2FEKCS19555 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 2004 14:20:12 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from orphean-press.demon.co.uk ([193.237.242.97]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1B2swt-000O2g-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 15 Mar 2004 14:20:11 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "P. C. Newble" To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 14:20:03 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Error in page calculation in Pamphlet / Print Sheet Message-ID: <4c9016af97mailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4c8ebe61afmailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.05) POPstar/2.04-pre2 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > > The (mildly) annoying thing about all this is that "Pamphlet" > >mode, which gives the "Print sheet" option, takes it upon itself > >to set the printing scale too. If I'm working on an A5 booklet, > >the page size will be defined as such throughout, and to print it > >2-up on A4 landscape it's still at 100% scale, not the 71% to > >which it's forced ........ > Well, that's the default setting. > You can change the 71 in Print>Print setup. Yes, and every time I select Pamphlet mode, the next thing I have to do is change the scale back to 100% (and then, if "centre" is also selected, select "set", close and re-open the print window to get it to recognise the implications of the change of scale). The problem thing is that anything (other than the "fit" option, obviously) changes the scale automatically -- it's rare that I use a scale other than 100%. And of course if you didn't have "Print setup" selected or print margins visible, you might not necessarily be aware that the scale had been changed. As I said, the "Printers pairs" imposition mode doesn't have this problem, but doesn't yet provide "Print sheet" either . . . Peter Newble. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Mar 16 16:56:37 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1B31Jy-0001qn-Ex-0001td."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 16 Mar 2004 16:56:37 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1B31Jy-0001qn-Ex; Mon, 15 Mar 2004 23:16:35 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B31Jy-0001qn-Ex; Mon, 15 Mar 2004 23:16:34 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B31Jy-00009B-Cy; Mon, 15 Mar 2004 23:16:34 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B31Jl-0002DW-2c; Mon, 15 Mar 2004 23:16:21 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i2FNG7d01839 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 15 Mar 2004 23:16:07 GMT Received: from obelix.spectraweb.ch (mailrelay03.sunrise.ch [194.158.229.31]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i2FNG6p01831 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 2004 23:16:07 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from janvredenburchsmile.ch (abo-mu-1-1-dialup-74.spectraweb.ch [194.230.153.74]) by obelix.spectraweb.ch (8.12.9/8.12.6) with SMTP id i2FNG5FH023469 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 2004 00:16:06 +0100 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 00:15:32 +0100 (GMT) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Error in page calculation in Pamphlet / Print Sheet To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net In-Reply-To: <4c9016af97mailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: CIC member; Secretariaat St. Van Vredenburch X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Mon 15 Mar, P. C. Newble wrote: > > > > The (mildly) annoying thing about all this is that "Pamphlet" > > >mode, which gives the "Print sheet" option, takes it upon itself > > >to set the printing scale too. If I'm working on an A5 booklet, > > >the page size will be defined as such throughout, and to print it > > >2-up on A4 landscape it's still at 100% scale, not the 71% to > > >which it's forced ........ > > > Well, that's the default setting. > > > You can change the 71 in Print>Print setup. > > Yes, and every time I select Pamphlet mode, the next thing I have to > do is change the scale back to 100% (and then, if "centre" is also > selected, select "set", close and re-open the print window to get it > to recognise the implications of the change of scale). If I understand you correctly, your default papersize when creating documents is A5. And you then want to print at 100%. In that case I suggest you set up a "default" document, specifying the details you want, including the printer settings. Then save this as the Default document (Menu > File > Save as default). My default document also specifies the styles Bold and Italics with key short cuts. So I need not create these styles for every new document I create. I wonder why you do not use A4 to set up your documents as most printers handle this size. Unless of course if you use an A5 printer. If you worry about proper font size when printed at 71%, set up your font 40% bigger on an A4 document. So printed 10pt (on A5) needs 14pt on A4. JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch, CH - 6006 Luzern . -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Mar 16 16:56:39 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1B32ao-00026H-OZ-00026t."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 16 Mar 2004 16:56:39 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1B32ao-00026H-OZ; Tue, 16 Mar 2004 00:38:03 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B32ao-00026H-OZ; Tue, 16 Mar 2004 00:38:02 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B32ao-00033Z-DE; Tue, 16 Mar 2004 00:38:02 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B32ag-0000zf-Nt; Tue, 16 Mar 2004 00:37:54 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i2G0bcj25776 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 16 Mar 2004 00:37:38 GMT Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i2G0bU525746 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 2004 00:37:30 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from orphean-press.demon.co.uk ([193.237.242.97]) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1B32aH-000G8s-0b for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 16 Mar 2004 00:37:29 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "P. C. Newble" To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 00:36:55 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Error in page calculation in Pamphlet / Print Sheet Message-ID: <4c904f296dmailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4c9016af97mailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.05) POPstar/2.04-pre2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > > Yes, and every time I select Pamphlet mode, the next thing I have > > to do is change the scale back to 100% (and then, if "centre" is > > also selected, select "set", close and re-open the print window > > to get it to recognise the implications of the change of scale). > If I understand you correctly, your default papersize when creating > documents is A5. No, I create every document at the actual final page size at which it will be printed (WB, A3, A4, A5, 8" × 5", DL or whatever). Most will then need to be printed in different ways, using different imposition modes, as they progress. For a 16-page A5 booklet, for instance, I might need to e-mail a PDF proof to someone, in which case I would print to file with a !Printers page size of A5 (portrait) in "Normal" imposition mode, then convert the resulting 16-page Postscript file to a 16-page A5 PDF. I would also need a proof on paper resembling the finished document, which I would print to a laser printer with a !Printers page size of A4 (landscape), using either "Pamphlet" or "Printers pairs" imposition mode, giving a 16-page A5 booklet on 4 double-sided sheets of A4. Finally, I would need to send it to an imagesetting bureau to produce the (oversize A3) films for the printer, so I would print to file with a !Printers page size of SRA3 portrait (320mm × 450mm) in "Booklet" imposition mode. This produces 4 pages of Postscript, one per film, each containing 4 pages of the finished booklet. In all cases the document is printed at actual size (100%), and it is only when "Pamphlet mode alters the scale to 71% that I need to change it back to 100%! > In that case I suggest you set up a "default" document, specifying > the details you want, including the printer settings. Then save > this as the Default document (Menu > File > Save as default). > My default document also specifies the styles Bold and Italics with > key short cuts. So I need not create these styles for every new > document I create. Indeed. And, using the Stationery applet, I currently have 11 more default documents for different purposes. When the same document is printed in two different ways, e.g. as both an A4 poster and an A5 flyer, then it is certainly useful to be able to scale the document up or down when printing it. There are times when changing the scale factor for printing can cause problems though. When including a 1 bit-per-pixel sprite in a document, for instance, for best quality it needs to be mapped exactly to a multiple of the resolution of the printing device -- for a 90dpi sprite that would be a "Modify picture" scale factor of 30% for 300dpi, 15% for 600dpi, 3.75% for 2400dpi, etc. If the document is then printed at a scale factor other than 100%, there is no longer a 1:n mapping of logical to physical pixels and line thicknesses become uneven. All in all, it's better if the user chooses the scale factor, not the application! Peter Newble. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Mar 16 18:05:45 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1B3Ip3-0001yq-Qb-0001zF."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 16 Mar 2004 18:05:45 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1B3Ip3-0001yq-Qb; Tue, 16 Mar 2004 17:57:49 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B3Ip3-0001yq-Qb; Tue, 16 Mar 2004 17:57:49 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B3Ip3-00018z-1P; Tue, 16 Mar 2004 17:57:49 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B3Ioj-00006L-Ev; Tue, 16 Mar 2004 17:57:29 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i2GHuuq17294 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 16 Mar 2004 17:56:56 GMT Received: from obelix.spectraweb.ch (mailrelay03.sunrise.ch [194.158.229.31]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i2GHuuf17286 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 2004 17:56:56 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from janvredenburchsmile.ch (abo-zh-1-2-dialup-193.spectraweb.ch [194.230.7.193]) by obelix.spectraweb.ch (8.12.9/8.12.6) with SMTP id i2GHussX014233 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 2004 18:56:54 +0100 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 18:56:04 +0100 (GMT) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Error in page calculation in Pamphlet / Print Sheet To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net In-Reply-To: <4c904f296dmailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: CIC member; Secretariaat St. Van Vredenburch X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by svr1.spellings.net id i2GHuuf17289 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Tue 16 Mar, P. C. Newble wrote: > > > > Yes, and every time I select Pamphlet mode, the next thing I have > > > to do is change the scale back to 100% (and then, if "centre" is > > > also selected, select "set", close and re-open the print window > > > to get it to recognise the implications of the change of scale). > > > If I understand you correctly, your default papersize when creating > > documents is A5. > > No, I create every document at the actual final page size at which it > will be printed (WB, A3, A4, A5, 8" × 5", DL or whatever). Most will > then need to be printed in different ways, using different imposition > modes, as they progress. For a 16-page A5 booklet, for instance, I > might need to e-mail a PDF proof to someone, in which case I would > print to file with a !Printers page size of A5 (portrait) in "Normal" > imposition mode, then convert the resulting 16-page Postscript file to > a 16-page A5 PDF. I would also need a proof on paper resembling the > finished document, which I would print to a laser printer with a > !Printers page size of A4 (landscape), using either "Pamphlet" or > "Printers pairs" imposition mode, giving a 16-page A5 booklet on 4 > double-sided sheets of A4. Finally, I would need to send it to an > imagesetting bureau to produce the (oversize A3) films for the > printer, so I would print to file with a !Printers page size of SRA3 > portrait (320mm × 450mm) in "Booklet" imposition mode. This produces 4 > pages of Postscript, one per film, each containing 4 pages of the > finished booklet. In all cases the document is printed at actual size > (100%), and it is only when "Pamphlet mode alters the scale to 71% > that I need to change it back to 100%! Snip some > > There are times when changing the scale factor for printing can cause > problems though. When including a 1 bit-per-pixel sprite in a > document, for instance, for best quality it needs to be mapped exactly > to a multiple of the resolution of the printing device -- for a 90dpi > sprite that would be a "Modify picture" scale factor of 30% for > 300dpi, 15% for 600dpi, 3.75% for 2400dpi, etc. If the document is > then printed at a scale factor other than 100%, there is no longer a > 1:n mapping of logical to physical pixels and line thicknesses become > uneven. I see. Very much specific to your circumstances. > All in all, it's better if the user chooses the scale factor, not the > application! I'm not completely convinced in this case. I believe David Pilling also has to keep in mind the majority of users of OvationPro. Here I doubt at present that this majority consists of printing Pro's as you seem to be. A possible alternative might be that one has a choice to set or unset a default value. This extra programming of course has the risk of introducing new bugs. This also depends on what and where David Pilling must now set his priorities (earning some cash on his hard work comes to mind) ;-)) JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch, CH - 6006 Luzern . -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Mar 16 18:25:51 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1B3JBd-000711-II-00071Z."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 16 Mar 2004 18:25:51 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1B3JBd-000711-II; Tue, 16 Mar 2004 18:21:10 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B3JBd-000711-II; Tue, 16 Mar 2004 18:21:09 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B3JBd-0001te-G4; Tue, 16 Mar 2004 18:21:09 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B3JBR-0006Ck-9k; Tue, 16 Mar 2004 18:20:57 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i2GIKjT26599 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 16 Mar 2004 18:20:45 GMT Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i2GIKiV26596 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 2004 18:20:44 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1B3JBE-00034J-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 16 Mar 2004 18:20:44 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 18:19:36 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Altering page numbering of chapters. References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >If I select a frame in the FIRST page of 'Chapter 2', which is on a >RIGHT-HAND page (the lefthand page being the last page of 'Chapter 1'), >and then bring up - Menu -> Page -> Modify chapter... Hmm a long running complaint. OP does not always get the 'current page/chapter' from what is selected, sometimes it uses the current page on view (that's the one whose details are shown in the info palette). It's all logical enough, but a substantial number of people don't expect things to work this way. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Mar 16 20:45:53 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1B3LMJ-0004uI-8R-0004uk."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 16 Mar 2004 20:45:53 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1B3LMJ-0004uI-8R; Tue, 16 Mar 2004 20:40:20 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B3LMJ-0004uI-8R; Tue, 16 Mar 2004 20:40:19 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B3LMJ-0001Jj-Dq; Tue, 16 Mar 2004 20:40:19 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B3LM5-0003oB-MB; Tue, 16 Mar 2004 20:40:05 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i2GKdqp15359 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 16 Mar 2004 20:39:52 GMT Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i2GKdp615356 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 2004 20:39:51 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from edencroft2.demon.co.uk ([194.222.220.137] helo=Jeremy) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1B3LLq-000B0g-0b for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 16 Mar 2004 20:39:50 +0000 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 22:52:00 GMT From: Jeremy To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Altering page numbering of chapters. Message-ID: <4f8e45904c.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Eden Croft User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13S) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,DATE_IN_PAST_12_24,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION, IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message you wrote: > Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 14:40:48 +0100 (GMT) > From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch [snipped some] > Try the following: > Have full double page view. Then diminish the screen to half width. > Then move the bottom ruler sideways and look what happens with the page > number on the Info bar. You can do the same with the vertical Ruler. > While doing this watch the position of the pages in the window. > ... > > JohnvV > Oh, yes, indeed - I don't remember seeing that trick before: clever! [Though these days I seem to forget things much more rapidly than I ever learned 'em! :-( ] Thanks, John! Jeremy R. -- Jeremy Roberts Ahhhhh... RISC OS and the Iyonix: Now THAT's computing - simple - elegant - productive - AND a no-M$oft zone! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Mar 17 14:04:02 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1B3VZ6-0003B6-Eb-0003BR."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 14:04:02 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1B3VZ6-0003B6-Eb; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 07:34:13 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B3VZ6-0003B6-Eb; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 07:34:12 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B3VZ6-0004jz-Bs; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 07:34:12 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B3VYf-0007iX-LS; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 07:33:45 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i2H7XDx26622 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 07:33:13 GMT Received: from cerberus.uk.clara.net (cerberus.uk.clara.net [195.8.69.103]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i2H7X9B26604 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 07:33:10 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from adsl-2-solo-172-96.claranet.co.uk ([80.168.172.96] helo=Iyonix) by cerberus.uk.clara.net with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1B3VY5-0000PL-DT for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 07:33:09 +0000 Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 07:23:51 GMT From: charles To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] Artworks/Iyonix/OvationPro oddity Message-ID: X-Organization: home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.05) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Dear List, I would be grateful for your comments on this anomaly. An Artworks advert started to cause a crash when scrolling through its OPro 2.74 document; if I scrolled carefully and slowly it would be OK sometimes. This happened under 2.73 and 2.74. But at one stage it was OK! I saved as DDL and reloaded; the problem remained. I run the bare Artworks 419,980 bytes file; no problem. Loading the Artworks file into a new OPro document has the same problem. All is fine under 2.73 on the RiscPC... Any thoughts? Could it be a fonts problem? But not if Artworks is OK... I have tried increasing the picture> choices cache but it makes no difference. The Artworks file compresses to 113,207 bytes. Charles -- 020 8949 0708 / 079 5620 0176 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Mar 17 14:04:05 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1B3XA7-00017Z-DC-000184."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 14:04:05 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1B3XA7-00017Z-DC; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 09:16:31 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B3XA7-00017Z-DC; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 09:16:31 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B3XA6-0002BH-TH; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 09:16:30 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B3X9z-00078F-18; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 09:16:23 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i2H9GDl30165 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 09:16:13 GMT Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i2H9GDr30160 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 09:16:13 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from abacusline.demon.co.uk ([194.222.194.153]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1B3X9o-0004Qr-0W for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 09:16:12 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 09:02:21 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Gerald L Fitton Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Artworks/Iyonix/OvationPro oddity References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Integrated Version 5.01 S Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Wed, 17 Mar 2004, 07:23:51, charles wrote: >An Artworks advert started to cause a crash when scrolling through >its OPro 2.74 document; if I scrolled carefully and slowly it would be >OK sometimes. This happened under 2.73 and 2.74. >All is fine under 2.73 on the RiscPC... Have you tried a different version of RISC OS / CLib on the Iyonix? Gerald -- Gerald L Fitton Swindon GB-SN2 7QA -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Mar 17 14:04:06 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1B3XcM-000717-B9-00071d."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 14:04:06 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1B3XcM-000717-B9; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 09:45:43 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B3XcM-000717-B9; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 09:45:42 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B3XcM-0006wv-95; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 09:45:42 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B3XcI-0003yN-5v; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 09:45:38 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i2H9jXI09836 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 09:45:33 GMT Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.185]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i2H9jW409816 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 09:45:32 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.209] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1B3XcC-0008S1-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 10:45:32 +0100 Received: from [62.246.16.6] (helo=bach) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1B3XcB-0006TY-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 10:45:32 +0100 Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 10:30:46 +0100 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Artworks/Iyonix/OvationPro oddity Message-ID: <5adf03914c.martin@mw-software.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.05) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message charles wrote: > An Artworks advert started to cause a crash when scrolling through > its OPro 2.74 document; if I scrolled carefully and slowly it would be > OK sometimes. This happened under 2.73 and 2.74. But at one stage it was > OK! > > I run the bare Artworks 419,980 bytes file; no problem. By no problem, you mean, no problem in ArtWorks 2? > Loading the Artworks file into a new OPro document has the same > problem. > > All is fine under 2.73 on the RiscPC... Aha, so this could be a bug in the ArtWorks renderer module. If so, it would not only affect OPro but all applications that render ArtWorks files. To find out, run AWViewer (you find it in !Boot.Resources), then drop your file over the AWViewer window. Does this work or exhibit the same problem? If it does, please send the file to me. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Mar 17 14:04:06 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1B3Xep-0003sA-Od-0003vH."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 14:04:06 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1B3Xep-0003sA-Od; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 09:48:17 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B3Xep-0003sA-Od; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 09:48:15 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B3Xep-0000ug-Eu; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 09:48:15 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B3Xen-0004Ud-7x; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 09:48:13 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i2H9m8V11246 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 09:48:08 GMT Received: from zephir.uk.clara.net (zephir.uk.clara.net [195.8.69.53]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i2H9m7411239 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 09:48:07 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from adsl-2-solo-172-96.claranet.co.uk ([80.168.172.96] helo=Iyonix) by zephir.uk.clara.net with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1B3Xeh-000J7j-70 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 09:48:07 +0000 Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 09:34:58 GMT From: charles To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Artworks/Iyonix/OvationPro oddity Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.05) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message you wrote: > > > On Wed, 17 Mar 2004, 07:23:51, > charles wrote: > > >An Artworks advert started to cause a crash when scrolling through > >its OPro 2.74 document; if I scrolled carefully and slowly it would be > >OK sometimes. This happened under 2.73 and 2.74. > > >All is fine under 2.73 on the RiscPC... > > Have you tried a different version of RISC OS / CLib on the Iyonix? Why, yes, I have upgraded OS to 5.05. Thanks, Gerald. Hmmm. Does that point to the problem? The document ran perfectly later in the session... And it still is now... Charles -- 020 8949 0708 / 079 5620 0176 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Mar 17 14:04:06 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1B3XwM-0000O4-Of-0000Ow."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 14:04:06 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1B3XwM-0000O4-Of; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 10:06:23 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B3XwM-0000O4-Of; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 10:06:22 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B3XwM-0006Fe-F1; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 10:06:22 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B3XwJ-0007yl-Mf; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 10:06:19 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i2HA6FV19808 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 10:06:15 GMT Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.177]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i2HA6Eq19797 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 10:06:14 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.206] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1B3XwE-0000N4-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 11:06:14 +0100 Received: from [62.246.16.6] (helo=bach) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1B3XwD-0006Re-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 11:06:14 +0100 Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 11:05:29 +0100 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Artworks/Iyonix/OvationPro oddity Message-ID: <5b0d07914c.martin@mw-software.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.05) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message Gerald L Fitton wrote: > On Wed, 17 Mar 2004, 07:23:51, > charles wrote: > > >An Artworks advert started to cause a crash when scrolling through > >its OPro 2.74 document; if I scrolled carefully and slowly it would be > >OK sometimes. This happened under 2.73 and 2.74. > > >All is fine under 2.73 on the RiscPC... > > Have you tried a different version of RISC OS / CLib on the Iyonix? I would consider switching the RISC OS version a last resort measure and I do not advise anyone to try this unless the problem could not be solved even after a thorough investigation. Certainly not something to try when the only problem is an application crashing. There are hundreds of reasons why an application may crash and the OS version is one of the least likely. CLib is similar: I am not aware of any issues with the latest version. Therefore I would really appreciate if your reply did not become some sort of standard reply to each and every software problem encountered. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Mar 17 14:04:08 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1B3Y6w-0004bt-Bs-0004cm."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 14:04:08 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1B3Y6w-0004bt-Bs; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 10:17:19 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B3Y6w-0004bt-Bs; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 10:17:18 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B3Y6w-00038n-Eg; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 10:17:18 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B3Y6e-00017W-PM; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 10:17:00 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i2HAGtX25035 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 10:16:55 GMT Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.184]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i2HAGsI25025 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 10:16:54 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.161] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1B3Y6Y-00050F-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 11:16:54 +0100 Received: from [62.246.16.6] (helo=bach) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1B3Y6X-0000ki-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 11:16:54 +0100 Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 11:16:14 +0100 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Artworks/Iyonix/OvationPro oddity Message-ID: <080908914c.martin@mw-software.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.05) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message charles wrote: > In message you wrote: > > > On Wed, 17 Mar 2004, 07:23:51, > > charles wrote: > > > > > An Artworks advert started to cause a crash when scrolling through > > > its OPro 2.74 document; if I scrolled carefully and slowly it would > > > be OK sometimes. This happened under 2.73 and 2.74. > > > > > All is fine under 2.73 on the RiscPC... > > > > Have you tried a different version of RISC OS / CLib on the Iyonix? > > Why, yes, I have upgraded OS to 5.05. > > Thanks, Gerald. > > Hmmm. > > Does that point to the problem? No. I do not claim that it is impossible, but it is highly unlikely that the OS version makes a difference. > The document ran perfectly later in the session... Hmm. Then you need to find out how to reliably provoke the error, otherwise it cannot be fixed. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Mar 17 14:23:58 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1B3boz-0005NX-Nf-0005O8."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 14:23:58 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1B3boz-0005NX-Nf; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 14:15:01 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B3boz-0005NX-Nf; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 14:15:01 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B3boz-0005sP-4u; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 14:15:01 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B3bov-0004Q1-Kd; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 14:14:57 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i2HEEkY30370 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 14:14:46 GMT Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i2HEEkB30366 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 14:14:46 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1B3boj-0006wG-0V for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 14:14:45 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 14:13:07 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Artworks/Iyonix/OvationPro oddity References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >An Artworks advert started to cause a crash when scrolling through >its OPro 2.74 document; if I scrolled carefully and slowly it would be >OK sometimes. Probably depends which bits of the graphic are redrawn in a particular operation. >I have tried increasing the picture> choices cache but it makes no >difference. That choice only applies to referenced images - is this a referenced image? (i.e. an image kept on disc rather than embedded in a document). One obvious catch is the shape of the frame this graphic is in - rectangular frames are a lot simpler than shaped ones - and for the purposes of this a rotated rectangle is a complex shape. So what sort of frame is it in? I guess the best thing would be for me to have a look at the document that is causing the trouble... -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Mar 17 14:34:00 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1B3c4p-0005xo-6v-0005yP."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 14:34:00 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1B3c4p-0005xo-6v; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 14:31:24 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B3c4p-0005xo-6v; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 14:31:23 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B3c4o-0003Fs-UL; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 14:31:22 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B3c4k-00005o-7E; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 14:31:18 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i2HEVA806515 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 14:31:10 GMT Received: from cmailm3.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailm3.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.19]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i2HEV7F06439 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 14:31:07 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from modem-254.georgia.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.61.254] helo=localhost) by cmailm3.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.14) id 1B3c4X-0006dg-W6 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 14:31:06 +0000 Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 12:27:40 +0000 From: Robin Phillips To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] smart quotes Message-ID: <9b1114914c%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <0568e48d4c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: home X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.68 User-Agent: POPstar/2.03 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by svr1.spellings.net id i2HEV8F06455 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_10,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I wonder if there is some help to be got here from use of the Fluff applet? I regularly use this when editing texts from other people, to get rid of common typos. All you need to do is examine the Fluff rules carefully and alter those that don't suit you. Having said that, I am not too sure whether we can change the CLOSING ' to ‘ at the end of a quote. Ideas would be welcome, but something will depend on the types of raw text you are handling. Best wishes, Robin. In message <0568e48d4c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> michael talibard wrote: > > If one drops plain text into OvPro with 'smart quotes' > ticked, then of course it converts ' into at the start > of words, but only by looking for spaces. If the ' is > preceded by a tab, as they often are, then you get > a ‘ instead, which in a long piece of text can be very > inconvenient. > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message > > Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net -- Robin Phillips, Beeston, Notts., NG9 1BT Phone: 0115 922 4930 http://www.beeston12.freeserve.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Mar 17 14:54:00 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1B3cLi-00066b-Rq-00067F."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 14:54:00 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1B3cLi-00066b-Rq; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 14:48:51 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B3cLi-00066b-Rq; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 14:48:50 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B3cLi-0007cm-Eo; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 14:48:50 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B3cLg-0001J1-4X; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 14:48:48 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i2HEmfc15226 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 14:48:41 GMT Received: from zephir.uk.clara.net (zephir.uk.clara.net [195.8.69.53]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i2HEmcL15175 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 14:48:38 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from adsl-2-solo-172-96.claranet.co.uk ([80.168.172.96] helo=Iyonix) by zephir.uk.clara.net with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1B3cLV-000305-8W for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 14:48:37 +0000 Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 14:36:40 GMT From: charles To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Artworks/Iyonix/OvationPro oddity Message-ID: <26e11f914c.charles@clara.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.05) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message you wrote: > >An Artworks advert started to cause a crash when scrolling through > >its OPro 2.74 document; if I scrolled carefully and slowly it would be > >OK sometimes. > > Probably depends which bits of the graphic are redrawn in a particular > operation. > > >I have tried increasing the picture> choices cache but it makes no > >difference. > > That choice only applies to referenced images - is this a referenced > image? (i.e. an image kept on disc rather than embedded in a document). Thanks, David, It is embedded. > > One obvious catch is the shape of the frame this graphic is in - > rectangular frames are a lot simpler than shaped ones - and for the > purposes of this a rotated rectangle is a complex shape. So what sort of > frame is it in? Rectangular - but the Artworks file may be complex. > > I guess the best thing would be for me to have a look at the document > that is causing the trouble... Thank you! Sent privately - and compressed. Charles -- 020 8949 0708 / 079 5620 0176 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Mar 17 14:54:01 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1B3cLl-0007As-4x-0007Ba."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 14:54:01 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1B3cLl-0007As-4x; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 14:48:54 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B3cLl-0007As-4x; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 14:48:53 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B3cLl-00023K-7A; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 14:48:53 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B3cLh-0003Bp-37; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 14:48:49 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i2HEmd715212 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 14:48:39 GMT Received: from zephir.uk.clara.net (zephir.uk.clara.net [195.8.69.53]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i2HEmcc15181 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 14:48:38 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from adsl-2-solo-172-96.claranet.co.uk ([80.168.172.96] helo=Iyonix) by zephir.uk.clara.net with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1B3cLV-000305-97 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 14:48:37 +0000 Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 14:41:06 GMT From: charles To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Artworks/Iyonix/OvationPro oddity Message-ID: References: <5adf03914c.martin@mw-software.com> In-Reply-To: <5adf03914c.martin@mw-software.com> X-Organization: home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.05) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <5adf03914c.martin@mw-software.com> you wrote: > In message > charles wrote: > > > An Artworks advert started to cause a crash when scrolling through > > its OPro 2.74 document; if I scrolled carefully and slowly it would be > > OK sometimes. This happened under 2.73 and 2.74. But at one stage it was > > OK! > > > > I run the bare Artworks 419,980 bytes file; no problem. > > By no problem, you mean, no problem in ArtWorks 2? ArtWorks 2.10 > > > Loading the Artworks file into a new OPro document has the same > > problem. > > > > All is fine under 2.73 on the RiscPC... > > Aha, so this could be a bug in the ArtWorks renderer module. If so, it > would not only affect OPro but all applications that render ArtWorks > files. > > To find out, run AWViewer (you find it in !Boot.Resources), then drop your > file over the AWViewer window. Does this work or exhibit the same problem? This works without problem. Thank you, Martin. Charles -- 020 8949 0708 / 079 5620 0176 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Mar 17 20:44:18 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1B3hsn-0003dg-Lv-0003eS."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 20:44:18 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1B3hsn-0003dg-Lv; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 20:43:22 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B3hsn-0003dg-Lv; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 20:43:21 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B3hsn-0003xP-JX; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 20:43:21 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B3hsg-0006XV-Qx; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 20:43:14 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i2HKgpw17530 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 20:42:51 GMT Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i2HKgoc17524 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 20:42:50 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1B3hsH-0001eT-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 20:42:49 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 20:30:40 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] smart quotes Message-ID: <4c9140499cJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <0568e48d4c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> References: <8bdfcc894c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> <3c09cf894c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> <0568e48d4c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <0568e48d4c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk>, michael talibard wrote: > If one drops plain text into OvPro with 'smart quotes' ticked, then > of course it converts ' into ' at the start of words, but only by > looking for spaces. If the ' is preceded by a tab, as they often are, > then you get a ' instead, which in a long piece of text can be very > inconvenient. One might argue that "plain text" doesn't include tab characters. You might find Paul Sprangers' !ConvText useful. I dunno if it's on a website somewhere but you could email paul@delink.nl -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Mar 17 22:44:24 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1B3jcz-0002Zi-Cv-0002aB."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 22:44:24 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1B3jcz-0002Zi-Cv; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 22:35:09 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B3jcz-0002Zi-Cv; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 22:35:09 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B3jcy-0003Ue-P2; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 22:35:08 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B3jcY-0001U5-3t; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 22:34:42 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i2HMYJc26245 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 22:34:19 GMT Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i2HMYFW26225 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 22:34:15 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1B3jc7-000ENO-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 22:34:15 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 22:32:45 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Artworks/Iyonix/OvationPro oddity References: <5adf03914c.martin@mw-software.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) ...so Charles has sent me the example document. There's a certain inevitability about what follows. It seems the crash only occurs when OP has it's memory in top bit set space. Instant cure, run OP before much else. Slightly longer term cure, me and Martin have to have words... -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Mar 19 13:46:06 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1B4D0K-0001SR-Sb-0001Sz."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 19 Mar 2004 13:46:06 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1B4D0K-0001SR-Sb; Fri, 19 Mar 2004 05:57:13 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B4D0K-0001SR-Sb; Fri, 19 Mar 2004 05:57:12 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B4D0K-0001ZU-Lq; Fri, 19 Mar 2004 05:57:12 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B4D0F-0001mo-2k; Fri, 19 Mar 2004 05:57:07 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i2J5u3a22308 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 19 Mar 2004 05:56:03 GMT Received: from zephir.uk.clara.net (zephir.uk.clara.net [195.8.69.53]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i2J5tuw22265 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 2004 05:55:56 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from adsl-2-solo-172-142.claranet.co.uk ([80.168.172.142] helo=Iyonix) by zephir.uk.clara.net with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1B4Cz5-000A2f-7s for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 19 Mar 2004 05:55:55 +0000 Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 06:31:51 GMT From: charles To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Artworks/Iyonix/OvationPro oddity Message-ID: <385477914c.charles@clara.co.uk> References: <5adf03914c.martin@mw-software.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.05) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,DATE_IN_PAST_12_24,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION, IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message you wrote: > ...so Charles has sent me the example document. > > There's a certain inevitability about what follows. It seems the crash > only occurs when OP has it's memory in top bit set space. > > Instant cure, run OP before much else. Thank you, I am very grateful indeed. I'll run OP at start up. > > Slightly longer term cure, me and Martin have to have words... Thank you all for your responses to my question. We are all indebted yet again to David and Martin. Charles -- 020 8949 0708 / 079 5620 0176 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Mar 19 22:26:27 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1B4SQy-0005dG-Rv-0005e0."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 19 Mar 2004 22:26:27 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1B4SQy-0005dG-Rv; Fri, 19 Mar 2004 22:25:46 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B4SQy-0005dG-Rv; Fri, 19 Mar 2004 22:25:44 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B4SQy-0001GW-FS; Fri, 19 Mar 2004 22:25:44 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B4SQq-0006i3-39; Fri, 19 Mar 2004 22:25:36 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i2JMPGv16865 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 19 Mar 2004 22:25:16 GMT Received: from central.caverock.net.nz (central.caverock.net.nz [210.55.207.1]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i2JMPEI16858 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 2004 22:25:14 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from cmcleod.caverock.net.nz (tc1-04.caverock.net.nz [210.55.206.4]) by central.caverock.net.nz (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i2JMKM204860 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2004 11:20:23 +1300 Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 11:25:56 +0100 (BST) From: Colin McLeod Subject: [softwarelist] Unique identifier To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_20,DATE_IN_FUTURE_12_24,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, I would like to be able to generate a random series of random width horizontal lines in a frame. I want to use it in documents like invoices or receipts generated using mail merge where two copies of the same A5 one are printed together on landscape A4 paper. If the above frame was printed between the two copies so that part was on each of the copies when they were cut to separate them then any auditor could check that they were generated at the same time. The random lines would have to be generated at least every time new data was used by the mail merge. I would find it a trivial exercise to do this using Basic but it would take me some time to master enough C programming and the generation of applets. If someone could produce one for me. I would be prepared to pay some reasonable amount. Thanks Colin -- Joy & Colin McLeod 80 Waipapa Avenue RD2 Diamond Harbour Banks Peninsula 8030 Aotearoa New Zealand Phone (03) 329 4119 cmcleod@caverock.net.nz -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Mar 20 02:16:39 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1B4W06-0007If-FB-0007K3."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 20 Mar 2004 02:16:39 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1B4W06-0007If-FB; Sat, 20 Mar 2004 02:14:15 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B4W06-0007If-FB; Sat, 20 Mar 2004 02:14:14 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B4W06-0000yH-A3; Sat, 20 Mar 2004 02:14:14 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B4Vzx-0006d5-Vn; Sat, 20 Mar 2004 02:14:05 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i2K2Duv12874 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 20 Mar 2004 02:13:56 GMT Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i2K2Dth12868 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2004 02:13:56 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1B4Vzn-0007rk-0Y for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 20 Mar 2004 02:13:55 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 02:12:53 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Unique identifier References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >I would like to be able to generate a random series of random width >horizontal lines in a frame. >on each of the copies when they were cut to separate them then any auditor >could check that they were generated at the same time. Some ideas, there is a Post Office Bar code applet - lets say that in the frame we have some bar code font text running vertically (rotated frame). All you then have to do is have some code that generates a random string in the frame - this would be akin to the unique number applet, but use the random number generator which is built into the merge library (see the example of generating bingo tickets). Or you could stick the active date in the bar code font. However I'm not sure how this is more secure than printing the time the document was generated in clear text. Wouldn't you have to have a pattern, with half on one piece and the other half on the other, put them together and they convey some extra information. Say I draw a wiggly line on a piece of paper, cut it in two. The wiggles on both halves are different, but the fact that lines disappear from one piece in the right place to reappear on the other is significant. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Mar 20 13:37:05 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1B4fgB-0007kk-PM-0007nL."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 20 Mar 2004 13:37:05 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1B4fgB-0007kk-PM; Sat, 20 Mar 2004 12:34:21 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B4fgB-0007kk-PM; Sat, 20 Mar 2004 12:34:19 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B4fgB-0003DB-Mi; Sat, 20 Mar 2004 12:34:19 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B4fg6-0000h3-Re; Sat, 20 Mar 2004 12:34:14 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i2KCXq719223 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 20 Mar 2004 12:33:52 GMT Received: from smtpq1.home.nl (smtpq1.home.nl [213.51.128.196]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i2KCXjJ19154 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2004 12:33:45 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [213.51.128.136] (port=45213 helo=smtp5.home.nl) by smtpq1.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B4ffd-0007XB-2j for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 20 Mar 2004 13:33:45 +0100 Received: from cp418204-a.dbsch1.nb.home.nl ([217.123.44.165]:55258 helo=padua) by smtp5.home.nl with smtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B4ffc-000806-0S for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 20 Mar 2004 13:33:44 +0100 Message-ID: <003101c40e77$f525aa80$6502a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: References: Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Unique identifier Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 13:11:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-AtHome-MailScanner-Information: Neem contact op met support@home.nl voor meer informatie X-AtHome-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Saturday, March 20, 2004 3:12 AM, David Pilling wrote: >> I would like to be able to generate a random series of random width >> horizontal lines in a frame. >> on each of the copies when they were cut to separate them then any >> auditor could check that they were generated at the same time. > > Say I draw a wiggly line on a piece of paper, cut it in two. The > wiggles on both halves are different, but the fact that lines > disappear from one piece in the right place to reappear on the other > is significant. Revival of the Middle Ages. This practise was already known then. Zigzag or (religious) text. Handwritten -like anything else-, hence never the same. Tonnie -- Mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Mar 20 13:56:55 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1B4gpd-00048X-R3-00049k."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 20 Mar 2004 13:56:55 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1B4gpd-00048X-R3; Sat, 20 Mar 2004 13:48:10 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B4gpd-00048X-R3; Sat, 20 Mar 2004 13:48:09 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B4gpd-0005Zb-73; Sat, 20 Mar 2004 13:48:09 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B4gpV-0003vl-9K; Sat, 20 Mar 2004 13:48:01 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i2KDloF18823 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 20 Mar 2004 13:47:50 GMT Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i2KDlhV18786 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2004 13:47:43 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1B4gpC-000GM9-0Y for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 20 Mar 2004 13:47:42 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 13:46:23 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Unique identifier References: <003101c40e77$f525aa80$6502a8c0@padua> In-Reply-To: <003101c40e77$f525aa80$6502a8c0@padua> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Revival of the Middle Ages. This practise was already known then. >Zigzag or (religious) text. Handwritten -like anything else-, hence never >the same. Or sign your name across the cut. I thought it sounded like the kind of thing that went on in old novels. Perhaps modern forensic techniques could prove that the two halves were from the same piece of paper - chemical composition, fibres etc. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Mar 20 14:26:56 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1B4hQl-0003IK-NA-0003Ij."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 20 Mar 2004 14:26:56 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1B4hQl-0003IK-NA; Sat, 20 Mar 2004 14:26:32 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B4hQl-0003IK-NA; Sat, 20 Mar 2004 14:26:31 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B4hQk-0002En-Up; Sat, 20 Mar 2004 14:26:30 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B4hQg-0003ZX-JY; Sat, 20 Mar 2004 14:26:26 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i2KEQB230317 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 20 Mar 2004 14:26:11 GMT Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i2KEQB830307 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2004 14:26:11 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1B4hQP-000KaS-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 20 Mar 2004 14:26:10 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 14:09:23 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Unique identifier Message-ID: <4c92a8e369Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_20,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , Colin McLeod wrote: > If the above frame was printed between the two copies so that part > was on each of the copies when they were cut to separate them then > any auditor could check that they were generated at the same time. I don't think that's true, not least because unless the auditor was convinced that the algorithm that generated the lines could never produce the same set twice, there's no point. I suppose in a sense that barcodes etc split between two pages achieve that but only if the actual barcode is guaranteed to be unique. What's more it's really just information printed on the page. So is a date/time stamp, and a transaction serial number. And that's much simpler to print, and is readable and understandable much more easily. Lastly, the auditor cannot check that the two split documents were produced at the same time, because it will always be possible for a program to be written to produce extra copies of one half of the invoice. I worked for an organisation that sometimes printed cheques & share certificates, a process which itself got audited. Security was partly organised by having the (mainframe) operating system changed so that the people operating the printers could not interrupt and restart a print run in any of the normal ways. The rest of it was by having stringent manual procedures in place to control access to the (very special) custom stationery that was used. Every single "blank cheque" or un-filled-in share certificate had a serial number (presumably printed on it by the paper manufacturer) and those numbers were tied to the print runs. If a printer jammed and a job was rerun to produce the same output again the results of the previous run were destroyed. It was a bit like the level of security used in printing banknotes, or destroying old ones. There were other things which were printed from time to time which were so valuable that the machine rooms were cleared of normal staff and only security staff were present... -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Mar 23 17:11:46 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1B5Le0-0001iE-QA-0001iz."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 23 Mar 2004 17:11:46 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1B5Le0-0001iE-QA; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 09:22:53 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B5Le0-0001iE-QA; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 09:22:52 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B5Ldz-0002bH-Sp; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 09:22:51 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B5Lds-0002BG-2B; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 09:22:44 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i2M9Lbv25404 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 09:21:37 GMT Received: from mail-gateway.nlr.nl (mail-gateway.nlr.nl [137.17.162.2]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i2M9Lag25399 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 09:21:36 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from border.nlr.nl (border-qfe3.nlr.nl [137.17.162.1]) by mail-gateway.nlr.nl with SMTP id i2M9LZIl11309622; (enveloppe sender address: polak@nlr.nl); Mon, 22 Mar 2004 10:21:35 +0100 (CET) Disclaimer: "The National Aerospace Laboratory NLR DOES NOT ACCEPT ANY FINANCIAL COMMITMENT derived from this message." Received: from nararch.nlr.nl (nararch.nlr.nl [137.17.168.66]) by smtp-server.nlr.nl with SMTP id i2M9LYKe012748; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 10:21:34 +0100 Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 10:21:26 +0100 From: "F.R. Polak" To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] SparkFS: Windows self extracting archives Message-ID: X-Organization: National Aerospace Laboratory NLR User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/4.37) Disposition-Notification-To: "F.R. Polak" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_20,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hello, Something strange: I recently downloaded a few Windows .exe files (containing setup software for my ADSL-modem) which essentially appear to be self extracting zip archives (inspecting with StrongEd I found the word "winzip" inside the file). When I drag such a file to SparkFS 1.39 on my RPC at work, the archive opens nicely and I can see and access all the files contained in the archive. Although the original filetype was either FD9 (exe) or data, SparkFS changes the filetype into Zip (A91). This is all nice and OK. BUT: when I try to do the same thing on my RPC at home, nothing happens! As far as I can see, both installations of SparkFS are identical! Both run RISC OS Select 4.37 and I have added David's addition to the !Boot and !Run files to add support for filetype zip (A91). I just can't find a reason for this. What can I possibly have done ore added to my RPC at work to have SparkFS open these Windows files so nicely? Any ideas, David? Thanks in advance, Regards, Frits Polak -- Frits R. Polak National Aerospace Laboratory (NLR), Amsterdam Division Air Transport; Department ATM & Airports. phone : +31-(0)20-5113543; fax: +31-(0)20-5113210 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Mar 23 17:12:06 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1B5h1m-0005WB-M9-0005Ws."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 23 Mar 2004 17:12:06 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1B5h1m-0005WB-M9; Tue, 23 Mar 2004 08:12:51 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B5h1m-0005WB-M9; Tue, 23 Mar 2004 08:12:50 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B5h1m-0003Vu-Ln; Tue, 23 Mar 2004 08:12:50 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B5h1M-000422-EZ; Tue, 23 Mar 2004 08:12:24 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i2N8BNd20744 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 23 Mar 2004 08:11:23 GMT Received: from smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.6]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i2N8BMZ20741 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2004 08:11:22 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from riscpc ([82.34.89.136]) by smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Tue, 23 Mar 2004 08:11:21 +0000 Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 08:09:08 GMT From: Barry Gray To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Unique identifier Message-ID: <706a13944c.barrygray@blueyonder.co.uk> References: <003101c40e77$f525aa80$6502a8c0@padua> In-Reply-To: <003101c40e77$f525aa80$6502a8c0@padua> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/4.37) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Mar 2004 08:11:22.0052 (UTC) FILETIME=[6D7DA040:01C410AE] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <003101c40e77$f525aa80$6502a8c0@padua> you wrote: > On Saturday, March 20, 2004 3:12 AM, > David Pilling wrote: > > >> I would like to be able to generate a random series of random width > >> horizontal lines in a frame. > >> on each of the copies when they were cut to separate them then any > >> auditor could check that they were generated at the same time. > > > > Say I draw a wiggly line on a piece of paper, cut it in two. The > > wiggles on both halves are different, but the fact that lines > > disappear from one piece in the right place to reappear on the other > > is significant. > > > Revival of the Middle Ages. This practise was already known then. > Zigzag or (religious) text. Handwritten -like anything else-, hence never > the same. > > Tonnie Mediaeval tally sticks used the same idea. When you were doing business you took a stick and split it down the middle. Each time you made a payment you put the two halves together and cut notches to indicate the amount paid, then each person retained their own half. Then you could not alter your half without it showing. The House of Commons burnt down because someone decided to make a bonfire of the expired tally sticks.... -- Barry Gray http://www.barrygray.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Mar 23 17:12:08 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1B5i3z-0003HE-8I-0003Jh."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 23 Mar 2004 17:12:08 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1B5i3z-0003HE-8I; Tue, 23 Mar 2004 09:19:13 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B5i3z-0003HE-8I; Tue, 23 Mar 2004 09:19:11 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B5i3z-0007cl-CA; Tue, 23 Mar 2004 09:19:11 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B5i3t-0007Pw-DX; Tue, 23 Mar 2004 09:19:05 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i2N9IFE14671 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 23 Mar 2004 09:18:15 GMT Received: from mailgw2.mh.bbc.co.uk (mailgw2.mh.bbc.co.uk [132.185.144.142]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i2N9IEl14668 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2004 09:18:14 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from bbcxue202.national.core.bbc.co.uk ([10.124.8.50]) by mailgw2.mh.bbc.co.uk (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i2N9IDrJ020680 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2004 09:18:13 GMT X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6503.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Disposition-Notification-To: "Michael Hunter" Subject: RE: [softwarelist] Unique identifier Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 09:18:13 -0000 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [softwarelist] Unique identifier Thread-Index: AcQQrtfWF5AANgU4RIWkt5T4n/XT0gACC3ZQ From: "Michael Hunter" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by svr1.spellings.net id i2N9IEl14669 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_20,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) you wrote: > > >> I would like to be able to generate a random series of random width > >> horizontal lines in a frame. on each of the copies when they were > >> cut to separate them then any auditor could check that they were > >> generated at the same time. I've been reading this thread with interest but I am puzzled to understand the need for what you suggest in this day and age. More specifically why would the (any) auditor need to know that two pieces of paper were generated at the same time. I must admit that it is possible that I am missing something here but I do hope to be educated. Michael BBCi at http://www.bbc.co.uk/ This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may contain personal views which are not the views of the BBC unless specifically stated. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system. Do not use, copy or disclose the information in any way nor act in reliance on it and notify the sender immediately. Please note that the BBC monitors e-mails sent or received. Further communication will signify your consent to this. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Mar 23 20:01:10 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1B5ryg-0000RG-Gn-0000Rb."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 23 Mar 2004 20:01:10 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1B5ryg-0000RG-Gn; Tue, 23 Mar 2004 19:54:22 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B5ryg-0000RG-Gn; Tue, 23 Mar 2004 19:54:22 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B5ryg-00062d-08; Tue, 23 Mar 2004 19:54:22 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B5ryP-0001Zx-CT; Tue, 23 Mar 2004 19:54:05 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i2NJrir01716 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 23 Mar 2004 19:53:44 GMT Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i2NJriI01711 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2004 19:53:44 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1B5ry2-000ND2-0Y for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 23 Mar 2004 19:53:43 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 19:52:27 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SparkFS: Windows self extracting archives References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >I just can't find a reason for this. What can I possibly have done ore >added to my RPC at work to have SparkFS open these Windows files so >nicely? > >Any ideas, David? None. Quoting the deterministic nature of computers, there has to be some difference. Perhaps in the version numbers of the modules or whatever, or in the file you're trying to load. I'm even a bit surprised it works with self extracting zips - nice feature, one I looked into, but I can't remember if I implemented it or not. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Mar 23 22:41:16 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1B5uYG-0004xc-7e-0004yQ."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 23 Mar 2004 22:41:16 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1B5uYG-0004xc-7e; Tue, 23 Mar 2004 22:39:17 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B5uYG-0004xc-7e; Tue, 23 Mar 2004 22:39:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B5uYG-0004pR-5u; Tue, 23 Mar 2004 22:39:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B5uYA-0006O3-Sj; Tue, 23 Mar 2004 22:39:10 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i2NMcwX31399 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 23 Mar 2004 22:38:58 GMT Received: from colossus.systems.pipex.net (colossus.systems.pipex.net [62.241.160.73]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i2NMcq131356 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2004 22:38:52 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from RiscPC (81-178-216-251.dsl.pipex.com [81.178.216.251]) by colossus.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEE6E1C002B3 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2004 22:38:51 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 20:26:33 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Unique identifier Message-ID: <4c9456ed57steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.05-a1 (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_10,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 23 Mar, Michael Hunter wrote: > I've been reading this thread with interest but I am puzzled to > understand the need for what you suggest in this day and age. More > specifically why would the (any) auditor need to know that two pieces of > paper were generated at the same time. > I must admit that it is possible that I am missing something here but I > do hope to be educated. One such instance is documentation relating to the admission of patients for non-elective treatment. (Rough translation in human terms = emergency) In an increasing number of cases the patient or relative starts litigation about some aspect of the treatment episode and simple things like the time each aspect of the treatment occurred can be critical - hence the need to time synchronise the all servers and client end machines so the audit trial is clear. Despite various attempts to make such things paperless there are parts where people not only insist on hardcopy but two copies of that. As such various aspects of the paper need to be shown to be identical on both copies. I dare say there are a fair few people not in jail who were glad that forensic tests existed to prove that some of the ink on a document had been added later. -- No Rugby Airport, and good riddance to what never was... Steve Pampling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Mar 24 00:11:21 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1B5vtv-0004s2-Ef-0004sJ."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 00:11:21 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1B5vtv-0004s2-Ef; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 00:05:44 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B5vtv-0004s2-Ef; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 00:05:43 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B5vtv-0001mR-BS; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 00:05:43 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B5vtp-0008D6-TV; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 00:05:37 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i2O05S929272 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 00:05:28 GMT Received: from smtp2.mail.be.easynet.net (smtp2.mail.be.easynet.net [212.100.160.76]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i2O05Rp29269 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 00:05:27 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from 213-193-183-40.adsl.easynet.be ([213.193.183.40] helo=Iota) by smtp2.mail.be.easynet.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B5vtf-0008US-2x for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 01:05:27 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefaan Claes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 01:00:18 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Empty e-mail (without subject)... what happened? Message-ID: <4c946a7f0fsclaes@aaug.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03g (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 X-Platform: Iyonix pc X-Processor: Xscale 80321 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hello, I received an empty e-mail without 'Subject: ' and 'To: ' header fields... Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 22:39:34 GMT From: Message-Id: <200403232239.i2NMdY931628@svr1.spellings.net> Bcc: Has anyone else received a similar e-mail? Just curious ;-) Stefaan -- Stefaan Claes, Hove, Antwerpen, Belgium, Europe, -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Mar 24 00:21:22 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1B5w4g-00029J-Or-00029u."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 00:21:22 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1B5w4g-00029J-Or; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 00:16:51 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B5w4g-00029J-Or; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 00:16:50 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B5w4g-00008y-Gp; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 00:16:50 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B5w4N-0000PN-AU; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 00:16:31 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i2O0FW531476 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 00:15:32 GMT Received: from smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.6]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i2O0FVg31465 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 00:15:32 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from CybertronPC ([82.34.58.250]) by smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Wed, 24 Mar 2004 00:15:31 +0000 Message-ID: <032801c41135$1ccf40e0$fa3a2252@CybertronPC> From: "John M Ward" To: References: <4c946a7f0fsclaes@aaug.net> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Empty e-mail (without subject)... what happened? Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 00:15:28 -0000 Organization: Chateau John MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Mar 2004 00:15:31.0545 (UTC) FILETIME=[1E79BC90:01C41135] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,HAS_ORGANIZATION,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefaan Claes" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 12:00 AM Subject: [softwarelist] Empty e-mail (without subject)... what happened? > > Hello, > > > I received an empty e-mail without 'Subject: ' and 'To: ' header > fields... > > Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 22:39:34 GMT > From: > Message-Id: <200403232239.i2NMdY931628@svr1.spellings.net> > Bcc: > > > Has anyone else received a similar e-mail? Yes. There was no attachment or anything else that suggested it might have been malicious with faked Sender details; so it's a bit of a mystery at present... -- John M Ward * * RISC OS computing since 1987, A310 to Iyonix * * -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Mar 24 00:21:22 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1B5w6T-0002zy-NW-00030T."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 00:21:22 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1B5w6T-0002zy-NW; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 00:18:41 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B5w6T-0002zy-NW; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 00:18:41 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B5w6T-0000uW-3q; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 00:18:41 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B5w6P-0001w6-E3; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 00:18:37 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i2O0IT232426 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 00:18:29 GMT Received: from ptb-relay02.plus.net (ptb-relay02.plus.net [212.159.14.213]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i2O0ITW32421 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 00:18:29 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [80.229.143.2] (helo=radstock) by ptb-relay02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1B5w6G-00063e-OJ for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 00:18:28 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: ChrisJ To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 00:18:23 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Empty e-mail (without subject)... what happened? Message-ID: <4c946c26fcchris@bulldog.u-net.com> In-Reply-To: <4c946a7f0fsclaes@aaug.net> References: <4c946a7f0fsclaes@aaug.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.04) POPstar/2.04-pre2 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4c946a7f0fsclaes@aaug.net>, Stefaan Claes wrote: > I received an empty e-mail without 'Subject: ' and 'To: ' header > fields... > Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 22:39:34 GMT > From: > Message-Id: <200403232239.i2NMdY931628@svr1.spellings.net> > Bcc: > Has anyone else received a similar e-mail? I guess there will be plenty of 'me too's'. Me ceratinly. -- Chris Johnson -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Mar 24 00:21:23 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1B5w8p-0004Ij-T1-0004Jz."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 00:21:23 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1B5w8p-0004Ij-T1; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 00:21:08 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B5w8p-0004Ij-T1; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 00:21:07 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B5w8p-0003HY-QM; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 00:21:07 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B5w8m-0002Mk-Sw; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 00:21:04 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i2O0L1P00843 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 00:21:01 GMT Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i2O0L1300840 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 00:21:01 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from g4iat.demon.co.uk ([80.177.19.185] helo=Iyonix) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1B5w8i-0008TA-0V for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 00:21:00 +0000 Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 00:21:25 GMT From: Barry Smith To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Empty e-mail (without subject)... what happened? Message-ID: <346e6c944c.g4iat@demon.co.uk> References: <4c946a7f0fsclaes@aaug.net> <032801c41135$1ccf40e0$fa3a2252@CybertronPC> In-Reply-To: <032801c41135$1ccf40e0$fa3a2252@CybertronPC> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.04-pre2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <032801c41135$1ccf40e0$fa3a2252@CybertronPC> "John M Ward" wrote: > From: "Stefaan Claes" > > Has anyone else received a similar e-mail? > > Yes. Yes. Me too. Barry -- Experience is something you don't get until just after you need it. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Mar 24 00:51:23 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1B5wZj-0006Y8-Gx-0006Ya."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 00:51:23 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1B5wZj-0006Y8-Gx; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 00:48:56 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B5wZj-0006Y8-Gx; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 00:48:55 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B5wZj-0003tU-1y; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 00:48:55 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B5wZe-0005LY-JR; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 00:48:50 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i2O0mj708668 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 00:48:45 GMT Received: from carbon.btinternet.com (carbon.btinternet.com [194.73.73.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i2O0mhh08655 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 00:48:43 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [81.129.88.51] (helo=Vigor10) by carbon.btinternet.com with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #25) id 1B5wZW-0002dn-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 00:48:43 +0000 Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 00:45:00 GMT From: Brian Howlett To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Empty e-mail (without subject)... what happened? Message-ID: References: <4c946a7f0fsclaes@aaug.net> In-Reply-To: <4c946a7f0fsclaes@aaug.net> X-Organization: You havin' a laff or wot? User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/4.37) POPstar/2.05 X-Computer: Acorn RISC PC SA-110 X-Editor: Zap 1.45 (06 Nov 2002), ZapEmail 0.26 (03 Nov 2002) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 24 Mar, Stefaan Claes wrote: > > Hello, > > > I received an empty e-mail without 'Subject: ' and 'To: ' header > fields... > [snip] > Here too. I suspect it's a robot checking for bouncing addresses. -- Brian Howlett ---------------------------------------------- All electronic components run on smoke. If you let the smoke out, they stop working... -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Mar 24 01:41:25 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1B5xOF-0004Ag-Kh-0004B1."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 01:41:25 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1B5xOF-0004Ag-Kh; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 01:41:08 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B5xOF-0004Ag-Kh; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 01:41:07 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B5xOF-0001QB-88; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 01:41:07 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B5xNy-0005EA-RP; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 01:40:50 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i2O1eel23975 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 01:40:40 GMT Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i2O1eai23956 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 01:40:37 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1B5xNk-0005kr-0Y for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 01:40:36 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 01:39:33 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Empty e-mail (without subject)... what happened? References: <4c946a7f0fsclaes@aaug.net> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Here too. I suspect it's a robot checking for bouncing addresses. I saw that too. All I'd say is that you can't post to this list unless you're subscribed - so spammers etc. should not get anywhere. I'd suspect a glitch in majordomo. Hmm. I'd better tell Neil Spellings... -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Mar 24 13:58:37 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1B62mv-00062q-Is-00063e."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 13:58:37 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1B62mv-00062q-Is; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 07:26:59 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B62mv-00062q-Is; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 07:26:57 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B62mv-00064E-Lz; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 07:26:57 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B62mq-0002AE-DJ; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 07:26:52 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i2O7Qal18406 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 07:26:36 GMT Received: from mailout.zetnet.co.uk (mailout.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.47.231]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i2O7QVK18371 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 07:26:31 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from bts-1011.dialup.zetnet.co.uk ([194.247.51.243] helo=zetnet.co.uk) by mailout.zetnet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1B62mU-0006SD-00 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 07:26:31 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Michael M Martin To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 07:25:30 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Empty e-mail (without subject)... what happened? Message-ID: <4c94934178mmartin@zetnet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4c946a7f0fsclaes@aaug.net> References: <4c946a7f0fsclaes@aaug.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.04) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4c946a7f0fsclaes@aaug.net>, Stefaan Claes wrote: > Hello, > I received an empty e-mail without 'Subject: ' and 'To: ' header > fields... Yes very same here. Mick. -- |^^^^ Michael Martin ^^^^^ mmartin@zetnet.co.uk ^^^|Using Kinetic RiscPC| | * http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/mmartin/fifepits/ *| Email and News by | | ^^^ http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/mmartin/sign/ ^^^| !Pluto | |====== Risc OS immune to email Virus ======|===With RISC OS 4===| -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Mar 24 13:58:40 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1B645o-0005dP-Br-0005dx."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 13:58:40 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1B645o-0005dP-Br; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 08:50:33 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B645o-0005dP-Br; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 08:50:32 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B645o-0005O4-Es; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 08:50:32 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B645i-0007FZ-7E; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 08:50:26 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i2O8o9N20551 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 08:50:09 GMT Received: from mail-gateway.nlr.nl (mail-gateway.nlr.nl [137.17.162.2]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i2O8o3M20529 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 08:50:04 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from border.nlr.nl (border-qfe3.nlr.nl [137.17.162.1]) by mail-gateway.nlr.nl with SMTP id i2O8o1ek11168538; (enveloppe sender address: polak@nlr.nl); Wed, 24 Mar 2004 09:50:02 +0100 (CET) Disclaimer: "The National Aerospace Laboratory NLR DOES NOT ACCEPT ANY FINANCIAL COMMITMENT derived from this message." Received: from nararch.nlr.nl (nararch.nlr.nl [137.17.168.66]) by smtp-server.nlr.nl with SMTP id i2O8o0Ke008604; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 09:50:00 +0100 Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 09:49:51 +0100 From: "F.R. Polak" To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SparkFS: Windows self extracting archives Message-ID: <77fa9a944c.polak@nararch.nlr.nl> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: National Aerospace Laboratory NLR User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/4.37) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message dated 23 Mar 2004 David Pilling wrote: > >I just can't find a reason for this. What can I possibly have done ore > >added to my RPC at work to have SparkFS open these Windows files so > >nicely? > > > >Any ideas, David? > > None. Quoting the deterministic nature of computers, there has to be > some difference. Perhaps in the version numbers of the modules or > whatever, or in the file you're trying to load. I'm even a bit > surprised it works with self extracting zips - nice feature, one I > looked into, but I can't remember if I implemented it or not. > Thanks, David. Of course there has to be some difference, but which or what can have this effect? I already transferred all the config etc. files to my home RPC and checked the module dates and versions, but to no avail. I just checked the RPC of my collegue at work and on his setup it works also nicely! The funny thing is when I drag such a selfextracting Windows archive with filetype FD9 or data (it is actually an .exe file) to SparkFS on the iconbar, it opens a window with the contents AND it changes the RISC OS filetype to archive (DDC). But if I do this at home, nothing happens. This evening I shall take exact copies of both SparkFS and one of these windows files home on floppies and see what happens then. Regards, Frits -- Frits R. Polak National Aerospace Laboratory (NLR), Amsterdam Division Air Transport; Department ATM & Airports. phone : +31-(0)20-5113543; fax: +31-(0)20-5113210 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Mar 24 17:48:38 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1B6CSW-00063a-9E-00064M."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 17:48:38 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1B6CSW-00063a-9E; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 17:46:33 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B6CSW-00063a-9E; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 17:46:32 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B6CSW-0005kG-I2; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 17:46:32 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B6CSD-0007C8-Mr; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 17:46:13 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i2OHjvZ13997 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 17:45:57 GMT Received: from pqueuea.post.tele.dk (pqueuea.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.9]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i2OHjAK13698 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 17:45:56 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by pqueuea.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AA6337682E for ; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 18:44:08 +0100 (CET) Received: from 120007538000.post4.tele.dk (0xc3d7f29d.aarsnxr2.ras.tele.dk [195.215.242.157]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9861447FE9F for ; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 18:38:35 +0100 (CET) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 18:32:52 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Empty e-mail (without subject)... what happened? Message-ID: <4c94d05afcjuletrae@post4.tele.dk> In-Reply-To: References: <4c946a7f0fsclaes@aaug.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.02f (RISC-OS/5.05) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) , David Pilling skrev: > >Here too. I suspect it's a robot checking for bouncing addresses. > I saw that too. All I'd say is that you can't post to this list > unless you're subscribed - so spammers etc. should not get > anywhere. > I'd suspect a glitch in majordomo. Hmm. I'd better tell Neil > Spellings... Here's what I got: ----- Return-Path: Received: from smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.30]) by fepW.post.tele.dk (InterMail vM.5.01.06.08 201-253-122-130-108-20031117) with ESMTP id <20040323224134.VBNZ274.fepW.post.tele.dk@smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk> for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2004 23:41:34 +0100 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B5uYu-0007L1-Ey; Tue, 23 Mar 2004 22:39:56 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i2NMdY931628 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 23 Mar 2004 22:39:34 GMT Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 22:39:34 GMT From: Message-Id: <200403232239.i2NMdY931628@svr1.spellings.net> Bcc: -- Helge. RISC OS 5.05 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Mar 24 19:58:45 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1B6ENc-0000ri-RH-0000sH."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 19:58:45 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1B6ENc-0000ri-RH; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 19:49:37 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B6ENc-0000ri-RH; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 19:49:36 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B6ENc-0006ad-5p; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 19:49:36 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B6ENX-0005YU-UA; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 19:49:31 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i2OJnIW31294 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 19:49:18 GMT Received: from scrabble.freeuk.net (scrabble.freeuk.net [212.126.144.29]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i2OJnGe31261 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 19:49:16 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from du-005-0184.freeuk.com ([212.126.146.184] helo=localhost) by scrabble.freeuk.net with smtp (Exim 4.22) id 1B6ENH-000Cga-3G for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 19:49:15 +0000 Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 19:34:41 GMT From: Denys Wells To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SparkFS: Windows self extracting archives Message-ID: References: <77fa9a944c.polak@nararch.nlr.nl> In-Reply-To: <77fa9a944c.polak@nararch.nlr.nl> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/4.37) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <77fa9a944c.polak@nararch.nlr.nl> you wrote: > In message dated 23 Mar 2004 > David Pilling wrote: > > > >I just can't find a reason for this. What can I possibly have done ore > > >added to my RPC at work to have SparkFS open these Windows files so > > >nicely? > > > > > >Any ideas, David? > > > > None. Quoting the deterministic nature of computers, there has to be > > some difference. Perhaps in the version numbers of the modules or > > whatever, or in the file you're trying to load. I'm even a bit > > surprised it works with self extracting zips - nice feature, one I > > looked into, but I can't remember if I implemented it or not. > > > > Thanks, David. > > Of course there has to be some difference, but which or what can have > this effect? I already transferred all the config etc. files to my home > RPC and checked the module dates and versions, but to no avail. > I just checked the RPC of my collegue at work and on his setup it works > also nicely! The funny thing is when I drag such a selfextracting > Windows archive with filetype FD9 or data (it is actually an .exe file) > to SparkFS on the iconbar, it opens a window with the contents AND it > changes the RISC OS filetype to archive (DDC). [snip] > > Regards, > Frits > With SparkFS 1.39 I got exactly the same result with a self-extracting WinZip .exe file (type shown as 'data' in RISCOS) as described above by Frits: very useful to know this can be done. Setup: Kinetic RPC running RISCOS Select 4.37 . I've *not* upgraded SparkFS to recognise the zip filetype as such. -- Denys Wells -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Mar 24 20:58:48 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1B6FM6-0003yV-81-0003zE."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 20:58:48 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1B6FM6-0003yV-81; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 20:52:07 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B6FM6-0003yV-81; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 20:52:06 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B6FM6-000639-9s; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 20:52:06 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B6FM2-0002ga-0e; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 20:52:02 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i2OKpkb23877 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 20:51:46 GMT Received: from smtpq3.home.nl (smtpq3.home.nl [213.51.128.198]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i2OKpkQ23873 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 20:51:46 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [213.51.128.134] (port=55197 helo=smtp3.home.nl) by smtpq3.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B6FLl-0004XK-K1 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 21:51:45 +0100 Received: from cp418204-a.dbsch1.nb.home.nl ([217.123.44.165]:55161 helo=padua) by smtp3.home.nl with smtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B6FLj-0005gK-S2 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 21:51:43 +0100 Message-ID: <002f01c411e2$325ca530$6502a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: References: <77fa9a944c.polak@nararch.nlr.nl> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SparkFS: Windows self extracting archives Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 21:47:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-AtHome-MailScanner-Information: Neem contact op met support@home.nl voor meer informatie X-AtHome-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Wednesday, March 24, 2004 8:34 PM, Denys Wells wrote: > In message <77fa9a944c.polak@nararch.nlr.nl> you wrote: > >> In message dated 23 Mar 2004 >> David Pilling wrote: >> >>>> I just can't find a reason for this. What can I possibly have done >>>> ore added to my RPC at work to have SparkFS open these Windows >>>> files so nicely? >>>> >>>> Any ideas, David? >>> >>> None. Quoting the deterministic nature of computers, there has to be >>> some difference. Perhaps in the version numbers of the modules or >>> whatever, or in the file you're trying to load. I'm even a bit >>> surprised it works with self extracting zips - nice feature, one I >>> looked into, but I can't remember if I implemented it or not. >>> >> >> Thanks, David. >> >> Of course there has to be some difference, but which or what can have >> this effect? I already transferred all the config etc. files to my >> home >> RPC and checked the module dates and versions, but to no avail. >> I just checked the RPC of my collegue at work and on his setup it >> works also nicely! The funny thing is when I drag such a >> selfextracting >> Windows archive with filetype FD9 or data (it is actually an .exe >> file) >> to SparkFS on the iconbar, it opens a window with the contents AND it >> changes the RISC OS filetype to archive (DDC). [snip] >> >> Regards, >> Frits >> > With SparkFS 1.39 I got exactly the same result with a self-extracting > WinZip .exe file (type shown as 'data' in RISCOS) as described above > by Frits: very useful to know this can be done. Setup: Kinetic RPC > running RISCOS Select > 4.37 . I've *not* upgraded SparkFS to recognise the zip filetype as > such. Same here with dragging a self-extracting Winzip.exe file to SparkFS 1.39 icon on the icon bar. Windows extension is .exe. Shows as RISC OS filetype FD9. The .exe is opened and the filetype is changed to DDC. In my case not Select, but RO 4.02. Tonnie -- Mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Mar 25 23:28:16 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1B6eDH-0001M7-Io-0001N8."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 25 Mar 2004 23:28:16 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1B6eDH-0001M7-Io; Thu, 25 Mar 2004 23:24:41 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B6eDH-0001M7-Io; Thu, 25 Mar 2004 23:24:39 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B6eDH-0000Y9-Kv; Thu, 25 Mar 2004 23:24:39 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B6eD9-0007z6-Od; Thu, 25 Mar 2004 23:24:31 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i2PNNuA25960 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 25 Mar 2004 23:23:56 GMT Received: from hnexfe11.hetnet.nl (hnexfe11.hetnet.nl [195.121.6.177]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i2PNNtl25953 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 2004 23:23:55 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from riscpc ([80.60.38.201]) by hnexfe11.hetnet.nl with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Fri, 26 Mar 2004 00:23:54 +0100 Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 00:24:21 +0100 From: Frits Polak To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SparkFS: Windows self extracting archives Message-ID: References: <77fa9a944c.polak@nararch.nlr.nl> In-Reply-To: <77fa9a944c.polak@nararch.nlr.nl> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/4.37) POPstar/2.05 Disposition-Notification-To: Frits Polak MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Mar 2004 23:23:54.0706 (UTC) FILETIME=[3D711B20:01C412C0] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <77fa9a944c.polak@nararch.nlr.nl> "F.R. Polak" wrote: > In message dated 23 Mar 2004 > David Pilling wrote: > > > >I just can't find a reason for this. What can I possibly have done ore > > >added to my RPC at work to have SparkFS open these Windows files so > > >nicely? > > > > > >Any ideas, David? > > > > None. Quoting the deterministic nature of computers, there has to be > > some difference. Perhaps in the version numbers of the modules or > > whatever, or in the file you're trying to load. I'm even a bit > > surprised it works with self extracting zips - nice feature, one I > > looked into, but I can't remember if I implemented it or not. > > > > Thanks, David. > > Of course there has to be some difference, but which or what can have > this effect? I already transferred all the config etc. files to my home > RPC and checked the module dates and versions, but to no avail. > I just checked the RPC of my collegue at work and on his setup it works > also nicely! The funny thing is when I drag such a selfextracting > Windows archive with filetype FD9 or data (it is actually an .exe file) > to SparkFS on the iconbar, it opens a window with the contents AND it > changes the RISC OS filetype to archive (DDC). But if I do this at home, > nothing happens. This evening I shall take exact copies of both SparkFS > and one of these windows files home on floppies and see what happens > then. > Well, it appeared that the original Windows files I downloaded at home were a bit different from the "same" files I downloaded in the office. Any case the files I brought home could be extracted nicely by SparkFS 1.39 (and 1.37 as well). I redownloaded these files at home an this time, all was OK! The funny thing remains, though, that these "corrupted?" files that I originally downloaded at home, installed the software contained therein correctly on the Windows PC. Regards, Frits -- Frits Polak Abcoude -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Mar 25 23:38:08 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1B6eNm-0003Lp-Oy-0003MP."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 25 Mar 2004 23:38:08 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1B6eNm-0003Lp-Oy; Thu, 25 Mar 2004 23:35:31 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B6eNm-0003Lp-Oy; Thu, 25 Mar 2004 23:35:30 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B6eNm-0002fZ-FA; Thu, 25 Mar 2004 23:35:30 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B6eNg-0001o1-RU; Thu, 25 Mar 2004 23:35:24 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i2PNZGI29480 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 25 Mar 2004 23:35:16 GMT Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i2PNZGU29476 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 2004 23:35:16 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1B6eNY-000IvK-0b for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 25 Mar 2004 23:35:16 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 23:33:46 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SparkFS: Windows self extracting archives References: <77fa9a944c.polak@nararch.nlr.nl> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >time, all was OK! The funny thing remains, though, that these >"corrupted?" files that I originally downloaded at home, installed the >software contained therein correctly on the Windows PC. The catalogue information in a zip file (i.e. the list of the files in it) is held in two different forms - first each file in the zip has its name etc. just before the file data, second there is a 'central directory' at the end of the zip which contains info on all the files. Anyway you can use one lot of info or the other. It is common for files to be truncated - you lose the central directory. By default SparkFS will attempt to use the central directory, however there is a *command that lets you change it to using the file headers - *ZipUseCentralDir (see ReadMe). This why occasionally a Zip will open with Spark(plug) but not SparkFS. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Mar 26 13:56:46 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1B6nX7-0002yT-Fj-0002zH."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 26 Mar 2004 13:56:46 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1B6nX7-0002yT-Fj; Fri, 26 Mar 2004 09:21:46 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B6nX7-0002yT-Fj; Fri, 26 Mar 2004 09:21:45 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B6nX7-0003yc-JT; Fri, 26 Mar 2004 09:21:45 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B6nWi-0001q0-A9; Fri, 26 Mar 2004 09:21:20 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i2Q9L5F04669 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 26 Mar 2004 09:21:05 GMT Received: from mail-gateway.nlr.nl (mail-gateway.nlr.nl [137.17.162.2]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i2Q9L4m04660 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2004 09:21:04 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from border.nlr.nl (border-qfe3.nlr.nl [137.17.162.1]) by mail-gateway.nlr.nl with SMTP id i2Q9GFYE11749317; (enveloppe sender address: polak@nlr.nl); Fri, 26 Mar 2004 10:20:59 +0100 (CET) Disclaimer: "The National Aerospace Laboratory NLR DOES NOT ACCEPT ANY FINANCIAL COMMITMENT derived from this message." Received: from nararch.nlr.nl (nararch.nlr.nl [137.17.168.66]) by smtp-server.nlr.nl with SMTP id i2Q9KCKe003295; Fri, 26 Mar 2004 10:20:12 +0100 Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 10:20:03 +0100 From: "F.R. Polak" To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SparkFS: Windows self extracting archives Message-ID: <8c6aa5954c.polak@nararch.nlr.nl> References: <77fa9a944c.polak@nararch.nlr.nl In-Reply-To: X-Organization: National Aerospace Laboratory NLR User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/4.37) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message dated 26 Mar 2004 David Pilling wrote: > >time, all was OK! The funny thing remains, though, that these > >"corrupted?" files that I originally downloaded at home, installed the > >software contained therein correctly on the Windows PC. > > The catalogue information in a zip file (i.e. the list of the files in > it) is held in two different forms - first each file in the zip has its > name etc. just before the file data, second there is a 'central > directory' at the end of the zip which contains info on all the files. > > Anyway you can use one lot of info or the other. > > It is common for files to be truncated - you lose the central directory. > > By default SparkFS will attempt to use the central directory, however > there is a *command that lets you change it to using the file headers - > *ZipUseCentralDir (see ReadMe). > > This why occasionally a Zip will open with Spark(plug) but not SparkFS. > > Thanks, David for your explanation. This surely helps to understand zipping better. And yes, looking with StrongEd at the two "versions" of the same selfextracting Windows file, they looked identical at the beginning of the file, but they were different at the end. I didn't know about the *ZipUseCentralDir command. Might be useful in future encounters of corrupted zip-files. Thanks, Frits -- Frits R. Polak National Aerospace Laboratory (NLR), Amsterdam Division Air Transport; Department ATM & Airports. phone : +31-(0)20-5113543; fax: +31-(0)20-5113210 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Mar 30 20:46:55 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1B8P3j-0000lu-HN-0000ob."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 20:46:55 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1B8P3j-0000lu-HN; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 19:38:05 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B8P3j-0000lu-HN; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 19:38:03 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B8P3j-0007Mf-4p; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 19:38:03 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B8P3c-0001by-Hd; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 20:37:56 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i2UJbZr08568 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 20:37:35 +0100 Received: from relay.versatel.net (relay.versatel.net [62.250.3.110]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with SMTP id i2UJbYD08563 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 20:37:34 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: (qmail 53020 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2004 19:37:33 -0000 Received: from unlabelled-139-43-59-62.versatel.net (HELO Iyonix) (62.59.43.139) by relay.versatel.net with SMTP; 30 Mar 2004 19:37:33 -0000 Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 09:36:49 +0100 From: Hans Muyderman To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] ImageExtend missed Message-ID: <09cdb0974c.Muyderman@muyderman.nl> X-Organization: Muyderman User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/1.00c (MsgServe/1.00a) (RISC-OS/5.05) POPstar/2.04-pre2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,DATE_IN_PAST_06_12,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, Very sorry if this is an old question: I have updated to 2.74 and copied !OArtWrks to applets. At the start of the program I get an error-window "ImageExtend version 0.81 is needed", followed by an error-window about a line-error 19 in "library.aw/quality" (short typed). What's wrong here and how can I solve it? Thanks for suggestions, best regards Hans Muyderman _____________________________________ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Mar 31 00:17:05 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1B8SKV-0005FA-EG-0005GI."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 00:17:05 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1B8SKV-0005FA-EG; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 23:07:37 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B8SKV-0005FA-EG; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 23:07:35 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B8SKV-0007Z2-6G; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 23:07:35 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B8SKL-0003EN-2d; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 00:07:25 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i2UN5bV13301 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 00:05:37 +0100 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.183]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i2UN5at13297 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 00:05:37 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.179] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1B8SIa-000785-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 01:05:36 +0200 Received: from [62.246.18.184] (helo=bach) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1B8SIa-0007G2-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 01:05:36 +0200 Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 01:05:19 +0200 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] ImageExtend missed Message-ID: <815000984c.martin@mw-software.com> References: <09cdb0974c.Muyderman@muyderman.nl> In-Reply-To: <09cdb0974c.Muyderman@muyderman.nl> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.05) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <09cdb0974c.Muyderman@muyderman.nl> Hans Muyderman wrote: > Very sorry if this is an old question: I have updated to 2.74 and copied > !OArtWrks to applets. At the start of the program I get an error-window > "ImageExtend version 0.81 is needed", followed by an error-window about > a line-error 19 in "library.aw/quality" (short typed). What's wrong here > and how can I solve it? The standard reply is that you need to make sure that you have installed the latest version of !AWViewer. You can download version 1.61e from http://www.mw-software.com/software/awmodules/awrender.html However, from your headers I see that you have RISC OS 5, so you should have the latest version of !AWViewer in !Boot.Resources already. Maybe you have older versions of the modules somewhere else? One candidate for older modules is !Boot.Resources.!System.!CCShared.RMStore if it is there - nothing wrong if it is not, but if it is there and the modules there are older than those in !Boot.Resources.!AWViewer, you need to update them. Finally: Funnily, ImageExtend is not needed at all, so I wonder why the ArtWorks applet insists on it. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Mar 31 14:21:17 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1B8ZIP-0005mt-7J-0005oO."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 14:21:17 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1B8ZIP-0005mt-7J; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 06:33:54 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B8ZIP-0005mt-7J; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 06:33:53 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B8ZIN-0007dW-Vj; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 06:33:51 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B8ZIG-0005HE-Hu; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 07:33:44 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i2V6XVN04597 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 07:33:31 +0100 Received: from relay.versatel.net (relay.versatel.net [62.250.3.110]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with SMTP id i2V6XVt04594 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 07:33:31 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: (qmail 19287 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2004 06:33:30 -0000 Received: from unlabelled-139-43-59-62.versatel.net (HELO Iyonix) (62.59.43.139) by relay.versatel.net with SMTP; 31 Mar 2004 06:33:30 -0000 Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 20:32:42 +0100 From: Hans Muyderman To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] ImageExtend missed Message-ID: <7bd9ec974c.Muyderman@muyderman.nl> References: <09cdb0974c.Muyderman@muyderman.nl> <815000984c.martin@mw-software.com> In-Reply-To: <815000984c.martin@mw-software.com> X-Organization: Muyderman User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/1.00c (MsgServe/1.00a) (RISC-OS/5.05) POPstar/2.04-pre2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,DATE_IN_PAST_06_12,IN_REP_TO, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > In message <09cdb0974c.Muyderman@muyderman.nl> > Hans Muyderman wrote: > > The standard reply is that you need to make sure that you have installed > the latest version of !AWViewer. You can download version 1.61e from > http://www.mw-software.com/software/awmodules/awrender.html > > However, from your headers I see that you have RISC OS 5, so you should > have the latest version of !AWViewer in !Boot.Resources already. Maybe you > have older versions of the modules somewhere else? One candidate for older > modules is !Boot.Resources.!System.!CCShared.RMStore if it is there - > nothing wrong if it is not, but if it is there and the modules there are > older than those in !Boot.Resources.!AWViewer, you need to update them. Done and it works. > Finally: Funnily, ImageExtend is not needed at all, so I wonder why the > ArtWorks applet insists on it. I dont' know, but now it's OK. Thanks. Hans Muyderman _____________________________________ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Mar 31 23:31:33 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1B8oEi-0001FF-AB-0001Fl."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 23:31:33 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1B8oEi-0001FF-AB; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 22:31:04 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B8oEi-0001FF-AB; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 22:31:04 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B8oEh-0005Ib-W8; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 22:31:04 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B8oEZ-0005op-M1; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 23:30:55 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i2VMUYb19936 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 23:30:34 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i2VMUX419927 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 23:30:33 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1B8oEC-000DPX-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 23:30:32 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 23:29:23 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro 2.74 Windows References: <77fa9a944c.polak@nararch.nlr.nl> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, I've just uploaded the latest version of Ovation Pro for Windows to my web site. The previous one has not timed out, so there's no rush to upgrade. http://www.davidpilling.com/ovationpro/opw.html For some people this version should do everything the RISC OS one does. The big things that are now right are dashes and arrow heads on lines - I've recreated the Acorn draw module printing formats - like scaling, print position, sideways So as long as you don't use PostScript what else is there? Direct PostScript generation now works, but it is generic PS, and it won't do everything at less than level 3 - there is more work to do here. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Mar 31 23:41:34 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1B8oNf-0001Z3-Ed-0001ZP."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 23:41:34 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1B8oNf-0001Z3-Ed; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 22:40:20 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B8oNf-0001Z3-Ed; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 22:40:19 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B8oNf-0003wA-At; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 22:40:19 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B8oNb-0001E6-F1; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 23:40:15 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i2VMe4w23012 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 23:40:04 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i2VMe1622957 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 23:40:01 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1B8oNM-000E4Q-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 23:40:00 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 23:38:29 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro 2.74 Windows References: <77fa9a944c.polak@nararch.nlr.nl> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >http://www.davidpilling.com/ovationpro/opw.html Try http://pilling.users.netlink.co.uk/ovationpro/opw.html I suspect we have a hosting snag here... -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. 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FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Apr 1 00:21:35 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1B8ozF-0000k9-EX-0000mx."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 00:21:35 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1B8ozF-0000k9-EX; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 23:19:10 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B8ozF-0000k9-EX; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 23:19:09 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B8ozF-0006KP-Av; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 23:19:09 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B8oz5-0008B2-MC; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 00:18:59 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i2VNIeQ03440 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 00:18:40 +0100 Received: from ptb-relay02.plus.net (ptb-relay02.plus.net [212.159.14.213]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i2VNIdw03425 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 00:18:39 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [80.229.143.2] (helo=radstock) by ptb-relay02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1B8oyk-000HdL-R9 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 23:18:38 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: ChrisJ To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 00:17:54 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro 2.74 Windows Message-ID: <4c98854d82chris@bulldog.u-net.com> In-Reply-To: References: <77fa9a944c.polak@nararch.nlr.nl> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.05) POPstar/2.04-pre2 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , David Pilling wrote: > >http://www.davidpilling.com/ovationpro/opw.html ^^^ Should it not be net? Chris... -- Chris Johnson -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Apr 1 02:11:41 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1B8qaS-0006X2-OQ-0006XN."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 02:11:41 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1B8qaS-0006X2-OQ; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 01:01:41 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B8qaS-0006X2-OQ; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 01:01:40 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1B8qaS-00034B-D7; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 01:01:40 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B8qaK-0002Wx-Tk; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 02:01:32 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i31117q24272 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 02:01:07 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i31115724256 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 02:01:06 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1B8qZs-0004z1-0b for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 02:01:04 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 01:59:29 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro 2.74 Windows References: <77fa9a944c.polak@nararch.nlr.nl> <4c98854d82chris@bulldog.u-net.com> In-Reply-To: <4c98854d82chris@bulldog.u-net.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DOMAIN_BODY,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES, SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > David Pilling wrote: >> >http://www.davidpilling.com/ovationpro/opw.html > ^^^ >Should it not be net? Yes, in the restricted sense that http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/opw.html works. Always looking on the glum side, I suspect this will stop working when Spellings get around to transferring their .net domains to their new system. davidpilling.co.uk and .com should all work like .net -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net