From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Jan 31 13:48:35 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AmtAG-0002hH-9n-0002ho."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 13:48:35 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AmtAG-0002hH-9n; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 11:19:53 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AmtAG-0002hH-9n; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 11:19:52 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AmtAF-0001ZF-Ph; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 11:19:51 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AmtAB-00046x-Aw; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 11:19:47 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i0VBJIQ16337 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 11:19:18 GMT Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.176]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i0VBJIw16333 for ; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 11:19:18 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.162] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Amt9h-0007og-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 12:19:17 +0100 Received: from [81.96.147.40] (helo=192.168.1.1) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Amt9h-0001zO-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 12:19:17 +0100 Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 11:19:31 GMT From: Sendu Bala To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] Hanging indent Message-ID: <8b605d794c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.70a (MsgServe/2.10) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:fcc8d459823b113e6be83de3123de3db Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) How do you do a hanging indent in OPro? I want a paragraph that has its first line with no indent, but all remaining lines indented to the right. I tried a left indent of 5mm and first line indent of 0mm, but the 0mm is only relative to the 5mm, so all lines are equally indented. -- Sendu Bala http://www.sendu.co.uk/ | Tori, Kenshin, DNA and my Iyonix "I tell you with no ego that this is my finest blade. If you should encounter God, God will be cut." -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Jan 31 13:48:42 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AmuPZ-0002Et-JJ-0002FY."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 13:48:42 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AmuPZ-0002Et-JJ; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 12:39:47 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AmuPZ-0002Et-JJ; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 12:39:45 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AmuPX-0006bK-7O; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 12:39:43 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AmuOr-0007jV-1X; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 12:39:01 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i0VCcVX21764 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 12:38:31 GMT Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i0VCcUD21750 for ; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 12:38:30 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from charleshope.demon.co.uk ([80.177.174.79] helo=RiscPC) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AmuOL-000LF9-0W for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 12:38:29 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "charles.hope" To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 12:25:37 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Hanging indent Message-ID: <4c79636d6acharles.hope@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <8b605d794c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> References: <8b605d794c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.02f (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_10,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <8b605d794c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk>, Sendu Bala wrote: > How do you do a hanging indent in OPro? I want a paragraph that has its > first line with no indent, but all remaining lines indented to the > right. I tried a left indent of 5mm and first line indent of 0mm, but > the 0mm is only relative to the 5mm, so all lines are equally indented. OvPro manual p 63. Fig 5.29 shows exactly what you are describing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Jan 31 13:48:43 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AmuYg-0001R2-Az-0001RQ."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 13:48:43 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AmuYg-0001R2-Az; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 12:49:11 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AmuYg-0001R2-Az; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 12:49:10 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AmuYg-0000US-32; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 12:49:10 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AmuYR-0007ZB-AY; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 12:48:55 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i0VCmkd25813 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 12:48:46 GMT Received: from shockwave.systems.pipex.net (shockwave.systems.pipex.net [62.241.160.9]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i0VCmjT25808 for ; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 12:48:45 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from iyonix (81-178-222-212.dsl.pipex.com [81.178.222.212]) by shockwave.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D94E1C0033A for ; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 12:48:45 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 12:52:41 GMT From: Paul Horth To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Hanging indent Message-ID: <19e865794c.paul.horth@asgo03.pipex.com> References: <8b605d794c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <8b605d794c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <8b605d794c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> you wrote: > How do you do a hanging indent in OPro? I want a paragraph that has its > first line with no indent, but all remaining lines indented to the > right. I tried a left indent of 5mm and first line indent of 0mm, but > the 0mm is only relative to the 5mm, so all lines are equally indented. Left indent of 5mm and 1st indent of -5mm works for me. -- Paul Horth on an Iyonix RISC PC: British, non-Micro$oft, fast, fun and virus-resistant. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Jan 31 13:48:44 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AmubL-0007is-H8-0007kv."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 13:48:44 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AmubL-0007is-H8; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 12:51:57 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AmubL-0007is-H8; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 12:51:55 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AmubK-0006tA-2M; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 12:51:54 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AmubH-00029X-HX; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 12:51:51 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i0VCpkd26697 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 12:51:46 GMT Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.187]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i0VCpkA26694 for ; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 12:51:46 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.206] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AmubB-0006FY-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 13:51:45 +0100 Received: from [172.184.22.45] (helo=bach) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AmubB-0005Hn-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 13:51:45 +0100 Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 13:50:11 +0100 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Hanging indent Message-ID: <86ad65794c.martin@mw-software.com> References: <8b605d794c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <8b605d794c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <8b605d794c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> Sendu Bala wrote: > How do you do a hanging indent in OPro? I want a paragraph that has its > first line with no indent, but all remaining lines indented to the > right. I tried a left indent of 5mm and first line indent of 0mm, but > the 0mm is only relative to the 5mm, so all lines are equally indented. Try a first indent of -5mm instead of 0mm. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Jan 31 14:48:30 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AmwKg-0003kn-EB-0003lP."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 14:48:30 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AmwKg-0003kn-EB; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 14:42:51 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AmwKg-0003kn-EB; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 14:42:50 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AmwKg-0005y8-4v; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 14:42:50 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AmwKI-0004uc-93; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 14:42:26 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i0VEXpk10635 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 14:33:51 GMT Received: from smtp03.wxs.nl (smtp03.wxs.nl [195.121.6.37]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i0VEXoh10629 for ; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 14:33:50 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from me (ip51cc4b49.speed.planet.nl [81.204.75.73]) by smtp03.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.14 (built Mar 18 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HSC00FIKZ05WR@smtp03.wxs.nl> for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 15:31:22 +0100 (MET) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 15:33:12 +0100 From: Paul Sprangers Subject: [softwarelist] Hanging indent In-reply-to: <8b605d794c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Message-id: <4c796f1bf8paul@delink.nl> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.04-pre2 References: <8b605d794c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > How do you do a hanging indent in OPro? In a style: - Click Style -> Edit Style - Click on Tabs/ - Drag the first line indent (the lower 'flag' at the left hand side) to 5 mm. - (Put also a left tab there, for special cases) - Click OK etc. In local circumstances: - Press Ctrl-Tab - Repeat the process described above Kind regards, Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Jan 31 23:18:56 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1An4Ne-0007MR-Fz-0007P8."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 23:18:56 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1An4Ne-0007MR-Fz; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 23:18:28 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1An4Ne-0007MR-Fz; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 23:18:26 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1An4Ne-0000Mr-PI; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 23:18:26 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1An4Na-0003V0-Sn; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 23:18:22 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i0VNI9817086 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 23:18:09 GMT Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i0VNI8K17063 for ; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 23:18:08 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1An4NM-0001Zk-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 23:18:08 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 23:16:33 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] footnotes References: <8b605d794c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <4c796f1bf8paul@delink.nl> In-Reply-To: <4c796f1bf8paul@delink.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >From: Robert Hunter I want to give details of references at the bottom of pages on which they are cited ie sequentially numbered footnotes. I have tried the Manual and the Applets website but can see nothing. Can anyone kindly advise if, and if so how, this can be achieved in Ovation Pro on an Iyonix using OP 2.72, please? TIA -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Mon Feb 2 18:39:23 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Anisv-0000dh-4s-0000eY."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 18:39:23 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Anisv-0000dh-4s; Mon, 02 Feb 2004 18:33:26 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Anisv-0000dh-4s; Mon, 02 Feb 2004 18:33:25 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Anisv-00025N-9y; Mon, 02 Feb 2004 18:33:25 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1Anisk-0005kD-Is; Mon, 02 Feb 2004 18:33:14 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i12IU9i09773 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 18:30:09 GMT Received: from obelix.spectraweb.ch (mailrelay03.sunrise.ch [194.158.229.31]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i12IU5U09743 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 18:30:05 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from janvredenburchsmile.ch (abo-be-1-2-dialup-179.spectraweb.ch [194.230.117.179]) by obelix.spectraweb.ch (8.12.9/8.12.6) with SMTP id i12IU3a8022481 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 19:30:03 +0100 Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 19:29:23 +0100 (GMT) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Hanging indent To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net In-Reply-To: <4c796f1bf8paul@delink.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: CIC member; Secretariaat St. Van Vredenburch X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_20,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Sat 31 Jan, Paul Sprangers wrote: > > > > How do you do a hanging indent in OPro? > > In a style: > - Click Style -> Edit Style > - Click on Tabs/ > - Drag the first line indent (the lower 'flag' at the left hand side) to > 5 mm. > - (Put also a left tab there, for special cases) I understand the reasoning for the last sentence, but believe setting a left tab at the same position of the 'Left indent' is *not* needed. If you have a paragraph of several lines starting with a hanging indent and decide you want a new paragraph added to the same topic, just hit Return followed by Tab. In other words: after a 'Return' the 'Left indent' tab acts as a 'Left tab'. (With hanging indents only.) > - Click OK etc. > > In local circumstances: > - Press Ctrl-Tab > - Repeat the process described above Especially when handling larger documents with indents I strongly advise using Styles and never Effects for text lay out. Even if this means that you initially have to create several "Indent Styles" for your document. This way you can, once your document has been fully created, try out the different "Indent Styles" on the different paragraphs having indents and possibly one or more addtional following (left/centre/right) tabs. And see what your document looks like. Impossible when using 'Effects'. And then decide which (modified) Indent styles you maintain so as to have a uniform lay out of your document. greetings, JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch, CH - 6006 Luzern . -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Mon Feb 2 19:49:26 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ank26-0005O0-FG-0005Oe."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 19:49:26 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ank26-0005O0-FG; Mon, 02 Feb 2004 19:46:59 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ank26-0005O0-FG; Mon, 02 Feb 2004 19:46:58 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ank26-00011S-9J; Mon, 02 Feb 2004 19:46:58 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1Ank1x-00036k-Df; Mon, 02 Feb 2004 19:46:49 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i12JkX114662 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 19:46:33 GMT Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.176]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i12JkWn14654 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 19:46:32 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.209] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Ank1g-0001dr-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 02 Feb 2004 20:46:32 +0100 Received: from [81.96.147.40] (helo=192.168.1.1) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Ank1f-0003Jp-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 02 Feb 2004 20:46:31 +0100 Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 19:46:53 GMT From: Sendu Bala To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] OvnPro - odd postscript output? Message-ID: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.70a (MsgServe/2.10) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:fcc8d459823b113e6be83de3123de3db Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, (applogies if this turns out to be a ps2pdf problem, but I don't know) Using OvnPro v2.70 on an Iyonix. Printers v1.67 with supplied PoScript2 printer driver. GView v1.40. ps2pdf v.004 I have a document (using mostly trinity medium, with bold and italic usage) that looks fine in the Ovation window, but when I print it to postscript some of the letter positions get a little screwy. On conversion to pdf they look screwier, and on printing (from Acrobat under Widows) some of the letters are even out-right missing. For example... I didn't keep the postscript file, but had looked at it in GView: http://www.sendu.co.uk/news/software/OvnPro_-_odd.pdf At the bottom of page 2 you'll see (c) in bold, where the c has drifted into the left-hand bracket. I saw this same effect in GView. On page 4 some of the long words closest to the picture (amplified, amplification, non-specific... infact all words with 'fi') display oddly in the pdf and print out with a small space after the 'fi'. In the case of the word 'Scientific', last line, last page, the 'fi' once again displays oddly, but fails to print at all, leaving just a space. (I can't spot anything odd about the 'fi's with GView.) Can anyone explain what's going on, and how I avoid this? Having edited the document in OvnPro and reprinted (things having moved) the (c) seems better, but I'm still getting the 'fi' problem. -- Sendu Bala http://www.sendu.co.uk/ | Tori, Kenshin, DNA and my Iyonix "I tell you with no ego that this is my finest blade. If you should encounter God, God will be cut." -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Mon Feb 2 20:09:27 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AnkLi-0004Pq-Sg-0004R8."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 20:09:27 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AnkLi-0004Pq-Sg; Mon, 02 Feb 2004 20:07:16 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AnkLi-0004Pq-Sg; Mon, 02 Feb 2004 20:07:14 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AnkLi-0002Ca-JT; Mon, 02 Feb 2004 20:07:14 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AnkLY-0007pC-7y; Mon, 02 Feb 2004 20:07:04 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i12K6tB24355 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 20:06:55 GMT Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i12K6s024346 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 20:06:54 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AnkLO-0004wS-0Y for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 02 Feb 2004 20:06:54 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 20:05:52 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvnPro - odd postscript output? References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >oddly in the pdf and print out with a small space after the 'fi'. In >the case of the word 'Scientific', last line, last page, the 'fi' once >again displays oddly, but fails to print at all, leaving just a space. >(I can't spot anything odd about the 'fi's with GView.) The fi's may be being converted to fi ligatures, if you have that applet loaded - easy to check try sticking the caret between the f and the i. The c running into the bracket is unusual. Presumably it would not be hard to isolate those couple of lines in a separate document that I or all of us could have a play with. The typical escape route for OP here, is to try printing to another printer driver e.g. SPrinter (free utils, my web site), and see if things are OK on that. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Mon Feb 2 20:59:30 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Anl8P-0006DB-4c-0006Dz."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 20:59:30 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Anl8P-0006DB-4c; Mon, 02 Feb 2004 20:57:34 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Anl8P-0006DB-4c; Mon, 02 Feb 2004 20:57:33 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Anl8P-0001yP-3s; Mon, 02 Feb 2004 20:57:33 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1Anl8C-0004bJ-OW; Mon, 02 Feb 2004 20:57:20 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i12KvFr18984 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 20:57:15 GMT Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.176]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i12KvEp18978 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 20:57:14 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.162] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Anl86-0005P6-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 02 Feb 2004 21:57:14 +0100 Received: from [81.96.147.40] (helo=192.168.1.1) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Anl86-0005fT-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 02 Feb 2004 21:57:14 +0100 Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 20:57:38 GMT From: Sendu Bala To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvnPro - odd postscript output? Message-ID: <0efa997a4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.70a (MsgServe/2.10) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:fcc8d459823b113e6be83de3123de3db Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 2 Feb, David Pilling wrote: > >oddly in the pdf and print out with a small space after the 'fi'. In > >the case of the word 'Scientific', last line, last page, the 'fi' once > >again displays oddly, but fails to print at all, leaving just a space. > >(I can't spot anything odd about the 'fi's with GView.) > > The fi's may be being converted to fi ligatures, if you have that applet > loaded - easy to check try sticking the caret between the f and the i. Thanks, yes, it was ligatures. My document is now printing out and converting to pdf just fine. As an aside, what is the purpose of these ligatures? Why would you want all the fi's in all your words converted to these oddly-handled characters? > The c running into the bracket is unusual. Presumably it would not be > hard to isolate those couple of lines in a separate document that I or > all of us could have a play with. Well, while 'those couple of lines' are still in the document, unedited, I've edited other parts of the document with the effect that the (c) now appears a line higher than before. In this position it prints out fine... [later]... ok, if I add extra lines so that the (c) appears in the exact same place as it was, the problem reappears. Since it's position dependent, however, I'm not competent enough to isolate it without changing its position. I could snip all the text and pictures after it, but if I tried removing the text and pictures before it and inserting lots of blank lines the problem wouldn't reappear. So the most I could isolate was the first two pages: http://www.sendu.co.uk/news/software/OvnPro_-_prob.zip (144k) Again, the problem is a bold (c) two lines from the bottom of page 2. PS. How do I remove blank pages from a document (as in pages 3-6 in the above document)? -- Sendu Bala http://www.sendu.co.uk/ | Tori, Kenshin, DNA and my Iyonix "I tell you with no ego that this is my finest blade. If you should encounter God, God will be cut." -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Mon Feb 2 22:29:34 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AnmT2-0006Fb-QL-0006GY."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 22:29:34 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AnmT2-0006Fb-QL; Mon, 02 Feb 2004 22:22:57 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AnmT2-0006Fb-QL; Mon, 02 Feb 2004 22:22:56 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AnmT1-0000dk-UU; Mon, 02 Feb 2004 22:22:55 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AnmSw-0002sN-AX; Mon, 02 Feb 2004 22:22:50 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i12MMcf27152 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 22:22:38 GMT Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i12MMcS27149 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 22:22:38 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AnmSi-000OpK-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 02 Feb 2004 22:22:36 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 22:21:10 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvnPro - odd postscript output? References: <0efa997a4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <0efa997a4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >ligatures? Why would you want all the fi's in all your words converted >to these oddly-handled characters? Others will know more about it than I do. It's a stylistic thing. >http://www.sendu.co.uk/news/software/OvnPro_-_prob.zip (144k) >Again, the problem is a bold (c) two lines from the bottom of page 2. Got it, doesn't go wrong on Windows, but I'll go try on an Acorn. >PS. How do I remove blank pages from a document (as in pages 3-6 in the >above document)? Easy, use the page->delete page menu function. The interesting question is why do you have to. If a page contains nothing other than stuff generated by the master pages, it is usually auto deleted. If I add a frame to page 2, then delete it, pages 3,4 and 5 are indeed auto deleted. I wonder how you managed to remove their contents without that happening? -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Mon Feb 2 22:39:40 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Anme0-0006zb-BZ-00070F."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 22:39:40 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Anme0-0006zb-BZ; Mon, 02 Feb 2004 22:34:17 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Anme0-0006zb-BZ; Mon, 02 Feb 2004 22:34:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Anme0-0001ao-9Z; Mon, 02 Feb 2004 22:34:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1Anmdu-0004hy-AI; Mon, 02 Feb 2004 22:34:10 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i12MY5R01387 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 22:34:05 GMT Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.176]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i12MY4b01383 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 22:34:04 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.208] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Anmdo-0003Q1-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 02 Feb 2004 23:34:04 +0100 Received: from [81.96.147.40] (helo=192.168.1.1) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Anmdo-0007OE-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 02 Feb 2004 23:34:04 +0100 Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 22:34:29 GMT From: Sendu Bala To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvnPro - odd postscript output? Message-ID: References: <0efa997a4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.70a (MsgServe/2.10) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:fcc8d459823b113e6be83de3123de3db Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 2 Feb, David Pilling wrote: > >ligatures? Why would you want all the fi's in all your words converted > >to these oddly-handled characters? > > Others will know more about it than I do. It's a stylistic thing. > > >http://www.sendu.co.uk/news/software/OvnPro_-_prob.zip (144k) > >Again, the problem is a bold (c) two lines from the bottom of page 2. > > Got it, doesn't go wrong on Windows, but I'll go try on an Acorn. Thanks. Just to be clear, you don't see a problem when viewing in Ovation, only after printing it (to postscript is the only thing I've tried). > >PS. How do I remove blank pages from a document (as in pages 3-6 in the > >above document)? > > Easy, use the page->delete page menu function. The interesting question > is why do you have to. If a page contains nothing other than stuff > generated by the master pages, it is usually auto deleted. Yes, that's the behaviour I was expecting... > If I add a frame to page 2, then delete it, pages 3,4 and 5 are indeed > auto deleted. I wonder how you managed to remove their contents without > that happening? I drag selected all the text from the last word on page 2 to the last word on page 6, then hit ctrl-x. Then I ctrl-x'd each picture on pages 3-5 in turn. And as you saw, the blank pages just sort of stayed there. Should I be using the delete key on the keyboard or something? -- Sendu Bala http://www.sendu.co.uk/ | Tori, Kenshin, DNA and my Iyonix "I tell you with no ego that this is my finest blade. If you should encounter God, God will be cut." -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Feb 3 02:09:46 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AnpvA-0003Ea-4F-0003Fc."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 02:09:46 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AnpvA-0003Ea-4F; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 02:04:13 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AnpvA-0003Ea-4F; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 02:04:12 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AnpvA-00010G-4N; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 02:04:12 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1Anpv5-0001Da-RI; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 02:04:07 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i1323xl06813 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 02:03:59 GMT Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i1323wS06808 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 02:03:58 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Anpuw-0003C3-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 02:03:58 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 02:02:21 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvnPro - odd postscript output? References: <0efa997a4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Thanks. Just to be clear, you don't see a problem when viewing in >Ovation, only after printing it (to postscript is the only thing I've >tried). Understood. Printing on the Iyonix and viewing on GhostScript on Windows, again I don't see a problem with the (c). >> auto deleted. I wonder how you managed to remove their contents without >Should I be using the delete key on the keyboard or something? No, should happen however things are deleted. Probably a bug, however there are subtleties so I can't say for sure. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Feb 3 13:58:24 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AnqoA-0007JR-8z-0007Kb."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 13:58:24 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AnqoA-0007JR-8z; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 03:01:03 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AnqoA-0007JR-8z; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 03:01:02 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AnqoA-0005pK-JD; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 03:01:02 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1Anqny-0003uH-Mt; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 03:00:50 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i1330Mg18211 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 03:00:22 GMT Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i13303U18045 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 03:00:04 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AnqnB-0009OE-0X for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 03:00:01 +0000 Message-ID: <2bYVoSLU5wHAFwlK@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 02:58:28 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvnPro - odd postscript output? References: <0efa997a4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Understood. Printing on the Iyonix and viewing on GhostScript on >Windows, again I don't see a problem with the (c). I'm not sure if you've done this, but printing to PostScript and looking at the PS in GView would be an interesting test. If the PS gives the bad result, we could compare it with the PS generated on my Iyonix. If the PS is good, well the problem is outside OP. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Feb 3 14:00:05 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ao0EG-0006a3-DR-0006cl."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 14:00:05 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ao0EG-0006a3-DR; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 13:04:37 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ao0EG-0006a3-DR; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 13:04:36 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ao0EF-0005YB-Rp; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 13:04:35 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1Ao0Dw-0005rv-Fz; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 13:04:16 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i13D45X30931 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 13:04:05 GMT Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.189]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i13D40M30860 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 13:04:01 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.179] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Anvt2-0000O8-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 09:26:24 +0100 Received: from [81.96.147.40] (helo=192.168.1.1) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Anvt1-0002Ul-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 09:26:23 +0100 Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 08:26:45 GMT From: Sendu Bala To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvnPro - odd postscript output? Message-ID: <0211d97a4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> References: <0efa997a4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <2bYVoSLU5wHAFwlK@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <2bYVoSLU5wHAFwlK@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.70a (MsgServe/2.10) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:fcc8d459823b113e6be83de3123de3db Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 3 Feb, David Pilling wrote: > >Understood. Printing on the Iyonix and viewing on GhostScript on > >Windows, again I don't see a problem with the (c). > > I'm not sure if you've done this, but printing to PostScript and looking > at the PS in GView would be an interesting test. If the PS gives the bad > result, we could compare it with the PS generated on my Iyonix. If the > PS is good, well the problem is outside OP. Ughh, I could have sworn I saw the problem in GView, but looking now it seems fine. Looks like the problem is in ps2pdf. Thanks for the pointers though. I'll get in touch with Tim Nicholson. -- Sendu Bala http://www.sendu.co.uk/ | Tori, Kenshin, DNA and my Iyonix "I tell you with no ego that this is my finest blade. If you should encounter God, God will be cut." -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Feb 3 14:00:07 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ao0sP-00015H-Ho-00016V."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 14:00:07 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ao0sP-00015H-Ho; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 13:46:07 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ao0sP-00015H-Ho; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 13:46:05 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ao0sO-0001jN-Qv; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 13:46:04 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1Ao0rc-0003Mx-3d; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 13:45:16 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i13DjAd26717 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 13:45:10 GMT Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.189]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i13Dj9R26706 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 13:45:09 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.179] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Ao0rU-0006Kq-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 14:45:08 +0100 Received: from [172.180.38.90] (helo=bach) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Ao0rU-0007nN-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 14:45:08 +0100 Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 14:44:34 +0100 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvnPro - odd postscript output? Message-ID: References: <0efa997a4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <2bYVoSLU5wHAFwlK@pilling.demon.co.uk> <0211d97a4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <0211d97a4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <0211d97a4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> Sendu Bala wrote: > On 3 Feb, David Pilling wrote: > > > >Understood. Printing on the Iyonix and viewing on GhostScript on > > >Windows, again I don't see a problem with the (c). > > > > I'm not sure if you've done this, but printing to PostScript and looking > > at the PS in GView would be an interesting test. If the PS gives the bad > > result, we could compare it with the PS generated on my Iyonix. If the > > PS is good, well the problem is outside OP. > > Ughh, I could have sworn I saw the problem in GView, but looking now it > seems fine. Looks like the problem is in ps2pdf. Thanks for the > pointers though. I'll get in touch with Tim Nicholson. No, there is no point in doing that. !ps2pdf is just a simple front-end for GhostScript. It is next to impossible that your problem has anything to do with the !ps2pdf application. The only thing !psp2df could possibly get wrong is the parameters it passes to GhostScript, but since there is no "please corrupt my ligatures" parameter it could have accidentally passed (and no other parameter that deals with font conversion), there is no point in bothering Tim with this problem. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Feb 3 14:08:19 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ao1DG-0001c3-9G-0001g9."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 14:08:19 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ao1DG-0001c3-9G; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 14:07:40 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ao1DG-0001c3-9G; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 14:07:38 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ao1DG-0006Y3-4a; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 14:07:38 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1Ao1D8-0007j7-FX; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 14:07:30 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i13E7Ld08577 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 14:07:21 GMT Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.183]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i13E7Kn08572 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 14:07:20 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.155] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Ao1Cy-0004ME-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 15:07:20 +0100 Received: from [172.180.38.90] (helo=bach) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Ao1Cx-0000ml-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 15:07:19 +0100 Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 15:06:43 +0100 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvnPro - odd postscript output? Message-ID: <1e31f87a4c.martin@mw-software.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message Sendu Bala wrote: > http://www.sendu.co.uk/news/software/OvnPro_-_odd.pdf > At the bottom of page 2 you'll see (c) in bold, where the c has drifted > into the left-hand bracket. I saw this same effect in GView. On page 4 > some of the long words closest to the picture (amplified, > amplification, non-specific... infact all words with 'fi') display > oddly in the pdf and print out with a small space after the 'fi'. In > the case of the word 'Scientific', last line, last page, the 'fi' once > again displays oddly, but fails to print at all, leaving just a space. > (I can't spot anything odd about the 'fi's with GView.) This is odd - the ligatures seem to be represented differently from the rest of the word. I have just tried it and but in my case, even PDF conversion of some text with ligatures via !ps2pdf worked fine - the result is perfect when viewed with !pdf under RISC OS and Acrobat Reader under Windows. To give us a clue, try the following: Print a single line containing ligatures from OvationPro to PostScript - preferably not just ligatures, but words containing ligatures, such as "amplified". Check the output with GView, convert to PDF, check the output with Acrobat Reader. Anything odd? If so, please let us see the OP file, the PS and the PDF. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Feb 3 18:18:33 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ao55s-0007kj-Bs-0007mU."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 18:18:33 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ao55s-0007kj-Bs; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 18:16:18 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ao55s-0007kj-Bs; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 18:16:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ao55s-0006aZ-B5; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 18:16:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1Ao55i-00054f-34; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 18:16:06 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i13IFvq31476 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 18:15:57 GMT Received: from scrabble.freeuk.net (scrabble.freeuk.net [212.126.144.29]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i13IFvo31467 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 18:15:57 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from du-005-0220.freeuk.com ([212.126.146.220] helo=localhost) by scrabble.freeuk.net with smtp (Exim 4.22) id 1Ao55X-0007dk-Il for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 18:15:56 +0000 Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 17:42:19 GMT From: Denys Wells To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] OPro RTF import Message-ID: <53ee0b7b4c.dmw@denyswells.freeuk.com> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/4.37) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I'm trying to load into OPro (2.72) a large table (5 columns, 200+ lines) produced in RTF format by a PC family history program. This goes into MSWord correctly as the formatted table, but I want to edit it in RISCOS OPro, so need to import it first. The file converts to DDL using the command line method suggested in !TransRTF help, but has lost all its tabular format when opened in OPro. Setting up apropriate tabs in the OPro document doesn't help, as the tab key seems to have a mind of its own: sometimes text is moved to centre of the line, other times it acts as a return key, moving text down the page. Has anyone successfully imported a RTF table into OPro, and if not are there any suggestions please as to how this might be done? In case anyone suggests trying CSV or TSV export from the PC program, this sadly does not work correctly from the particular program, otherwise I'd now have it in !Eureka. -- Denys Wells -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Feb 3 18:38:33 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ao5L8-00034q-9A-00037l."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 18:38:33 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ao5L8-00034q-9A; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 18:32:04 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ao5L8-00034q-9A; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 18:32:02 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ao5L8-0005qB-6o; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 18:32:02 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1Ao5L1-0001mZ-K2; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 18:31:55 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i13IVhA05192 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 18:31:43 GMT Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i13IVh905183 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 18:31:43 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Ao5Ko-0000Is-0Y for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 18:31:42 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 18:30:27 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OPro RTF import References: <53ee0b7b4c.dmw@denyswells.freeuk.com> In-Reply-To: <53ee0b7b4c.dmw@denyswells.freeuk.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Has anyone successfully imported a RTF table into OPro, and if not are there >any suggestions please as to how this might be done? General suggestion would be to check if there are tabs in the right places (view->options, invisibles), and then (having turned off invisibles) set up the tab rulers for the relevant area of text. Tabbed text tends to look a mess, all it takes is for the tab positions to be slightly different to what they were originally. Not a happy area, no tables in OP, no way I can modify the RTF loader. Both things I intend to sort out, but not for some time. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Feb 3 18:38:33 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ao5Lx-00069j-Er-0006Ag."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 18:38:33 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ao5Lx-00069j-Er; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 18:32:54 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ao5Lx-00069j-Er; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 18:32:53 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ao5Lx-00043T-Az; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 18:32:53 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1Ao5Lv-0007oS-21; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 18:32:51 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i13IWlI05621 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 18:32:47 GMT Received: from obelix.spectraweb.ch (mailrelay03.sunrise.ch [194.158.229.31]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i13IWlo05617 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 18:32:47 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from janvredenburchsmile.ch ([194.230.225.249]) by obelix.spectraweb.ch (8.12.9/8.12.6) with SMTP id i13IWja8030071 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 19:32:46 +0100 Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 19:32:03 +0100 (GMT) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvnPro - odd postscript output? To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: CIC member; Secretariaat St. Van Vredenburch X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Mon 02 Feb, Sendu Bala wrote: > snip some > > > >PS. How do I remove blank pages from a document (as in pages 3-6 in the > > >above document)? snip some more > > I drag selected all the text from the last word on page 2 to the last > word on page 6, then hit ctrl-x. Then I ctrl-x'd each picture on pages > 3-5 in turn. And as you saw, the blank pages just sort of stayed there. > > Should I be using the delete key on the keyboard or something? For text you can use the Delete key, for frames and/or pictures I generally use ctrl-k. Three things come to mind: 1. In 'General Preferences' (ctrl-P), have you set "Auto page delete"? 2. It can be that the pages which you believe to be empty after all the 'ctrl-x-ing' are not really empty. In the Macros menu activate 'invisibles' (it then appears on the toolbar where you can toggle it to be active or not) and then look if any tokens are visible on the pages you believe to be empty. 3. Set View so that you easily see the total of a page. Then shft-ctrl-drag from the top left corner of the page to the bottom right. If then any windows appear you know the page is not empty. Testing out this last aspect I also discovered that the PC equivalent for the Risc 'Enter' key (=goto next page/column) is 'Fn-ctrl-Return'. greetings, JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch, CH - 6006 Luzern . -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Feb 3 20:18:38 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ao6sT-0000QN-Hh-0000R2."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 20:18:38 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ao6sT-0000QN-Hh; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 20:10:34 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ao6sT-0000QN-Hh; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 20:10:33 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ao6sT-0006io-5K; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 20:10:33 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1Ao6sM-0008H8-0d; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 20:10:26 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i13KA9314139 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 20:10:09 GMT Received: from smtp.aaisp.net.uk (painless.aaisp.net.uk [217.169.20.17]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i13KA8914124 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 20:10:08 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [81.2.115.178] (helo=ghc) by smtp.aaisp.net.uk with smtp (Exim 4.22) id 1Ao6s3-0003jV-Me for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 20:10:07 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Gavin Crawford To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 20:06:41 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvnPro - odd postscript output? Message-ID: <4c7b1925cfgav@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <0efa997a4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , David Pilling wrote: > Sendu Bala wrote: > >PS. How do I remove blank pages from a document (as in pages 3-6 in > >the above document)? > Easy, use the page->delete page menu function. The interesting > question is why do you have to. If a page contains nothing other > than stuff generated by the master pages, it is usually auto deleted. > If I add a frame to page 2, then delete it, pages 3,4 and 5 are > indeed auto deleted. I wonder how you managed to remove their > contents without that happening? One way is to have a couple of frames on the master page which are linked and also linked to create an autolink chain. Then in the document add some text to the frames so that it auto creates more pages. Re-open the master page and delete the links between the frames. Back to main document and the text is now only in the first frame, with the overflow arrow showing that more text is hidden. But the significant thing is that the empty pages are not auto deleted. One other point: If the frames are re-linked (and chained) on the master pages then the overflow arrow isn't removed from the first frame even though the text reflows to the other frames. The way to remove the arrow is selected all the text, cut and paste it back into the same frame. -- Gavin Crawford email: gav@crawford-print.co.uk web: www.crawford-print.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Feb 3 20:58:40 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ao7Zy-00039n-RI-0003CB."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 20:58:40 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ao7Zy-00039n-RI; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 20:55:32 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ao7Zy-00039n-RI; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 20:55:30 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ao7Zy-00060L-9H; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 20:55:30 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1Ao7Zu-0000LE-CX; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 20:55:26 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i13KtGI06248 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 20:55:16 GMT Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.188]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i13KtFQ06243 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 20:55:15 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.179] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Ao7Zj-0007LZ-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 21:55:15 +0100 Received: from [81.96.147.40] (helo=192.168.1.1) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Ao7Zi-0001NB-01 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 21:55:14 +0100 Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 20:55:59 GMT From: Sendu Bala To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvnPro - odd postscript output? Message-ID: <6ea91d7b4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> References: <0efa997a4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <2bYVoSLU5wHAFwlK@pilling.demon.co.uk> <0211d97a4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.70a (MsgServe/2.10) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:fcc8d459823b113e6be83de3123de3db Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 3 Feb, Martin Wuerthner wrote: > In message <0211d97a4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> > Sendu Bala wrote: > > > On 3 Feb, David Pilling wrote: > > > > > >Understood. Printing on the Iyonix and viewing on GhostScript on > > > >Windows, again I don't see a problem with the (c). > > > > > > I'm not sure if you've done this, but printing to PostScript and looking > > > at the PS in GView would be an interesting test. If the PS gives the bad > > > result, we could compare it with the PS generated on my Iyonix. If the > > > PS is good, well the problem is outside OP. > > > > Ughh, I could have sworn I saw the problem in GView, but looking now it > > seems fine. Looks like the problem is in ps2pdf. Thanks for the > > pointers though. I'll get in touch with Tim Nicholson. > > No, there is no point in doing that. !ps2pdf is just a simple front-end > for GhostScript. In which case... is it Graham Jones I need to talk to? (my !GhostScr contains a folder called 7_03, so I presume I have the latest version?) > It is next to impossible that your problem has anything to do with the > !ps2pdf application. The only thing !psp2df could possibly get wrong is > the parameters it passes to GhostScript, but since there is no "please > corrupt my ligatures" parameter We're no longer talking about the ligature problem here... > it could have accidentally passed (and no other parameter that deals > with font conversion), there is no point in bothering Tim with this > problem. Here's my email to Tim, which might have been better sent to Graham?: http://www.sendu.co.uk/news/software/ps2pdf_-_odd.zip (345k) contains a postscript file (generated from an OvnPro print to the Iyonix PoScript2 printer driver) and the ps2pdf pdf generated from it. Two lines from the bottom of page two you'll find a bold c in brackets: (c). Using GView to view the postscript it looks fine. However in the pdf the c has drifted to the left so it overlaps with the (. Testing at my end showed that this effect was dependent on the positiong of the (c) on the page - I could only get this oddity to occur if it's that exact position. Have you ever seen something like this before? Could you suggest if there might be a problem in ps2pdf, or is there perhaps something odd about the postscript file that a look in GView doesn't reveal? Could OvnPro be causing the problem? -- Sendu Bala http://www.sendu.co.uk/ | Tori, Kenshin, DNA and my Iyonix "I tell you with no ego that this is my finest blade. If you should encounter God, God will be cut." -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Feb 3 20:58:44 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ao7aL-0005md-FZ-0005ng."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 20:58:44 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ao7aL-0005md-FZ; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 20:55:54 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ao7aL-0005md-FZ; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 20:55:53 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ao7aM-0000oP-5y; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 20:55:54 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1Ao7Zs-0001a6-AN; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 20:55:24 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i13KtFi06245 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 20:55:15 GMT Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.183]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i13KtFN06239 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 20:55:15 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.179] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Ao7Zj-0007sw-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 21:55:15 +0100 Received: from [81.96.147.40] (helo=192.168.1.1) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Ao7Zi-0001NB-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 21:55:14 +0100 Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 20:47:22 GMT From: Sendu Bala To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvnPro - odd postscript output? Message-ID: <34df1c7b4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.70a (MsgServe/2.10) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:fcc8d459823b113e6be83de3123de3db Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 3 Feb, Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch wrote: > On Mon 02 Feb, Sendu Bala wrote: > > > snip some > > > > > >PS. How do I remove blank pages from a document (as in pages 3-6 in the > > > >above document)? > > snip some more > > > > > I drag selected all the text from the last word on page 2 to the last > > word on page 6, then hit ctrl-x. Then I ctrl-x'd each picture on pages > > 3-5 in turn. And as you saw, the blank pages just sort of stayed there. > > > > Should I be using the delete key on the keyboard or something? > > For text you can use the Delete key, for frames and/or pictures I > generally use ctrl-k. > > Three things come to mind: > > 1. In 'General Preferences' (ctrl-P), have you set "Auto page delete"? I can't find any such option in choices from the iconbar, and if I hit ctrl-P it just creates a new empty page (the exact opposite of what we're trying to do). > 2. It can be that the pages which you believe to be empty after all the > 'ctrl-x-ing' are not really empty. In the Macros menu activate > 'invisibles' (it then appears on the toolbar where you can toggle it to > be active or not) and then look if any tokens are visible on the pages > you believe to be empty. David said he just needed to create a frame and delete it for the pages to disspear, so I assume they were truly empty. OvnPro just hadn't noticed. -- Sendu Bala http://www.sendu.co.uk/ | Tori, Kenshin, DNA and my Iyonix "I tell you with no ego that this is my finest blade. If you should encounter God, God will be cut." -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Feb 3 21:28:42 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ao83E-00056Q-QR-00057F."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 21:28:42 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ao83E-00056Q-QR; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 21:25:44 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ao83E-00056Q-QR; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 21:25:44 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ao83E-0004oA-0M; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 21:25:44 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1Ao82E-00060Q-Ht; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 21:24:42 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i13LOaV18174 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 21:24:36 GMT Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.171]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i13LOZZ18169 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 21:24:35 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.208] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Ao827-0007VK-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 22:24:35 +0100 Received: from [81.96.147.40] (helo=192.168.1.1) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Ao827-0003bq-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 22:24:35 +0100 Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 21:25:25 GMT From: Sendu Bala To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvnPro - odd postscript output? Message-ID: References: <1e31f87a4c.martin@mw-software.com> In-Reply-To: <1e31f87a4c.martin@mw-software.com> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.70a (MsgServe/2.10) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:fcc8d459823b113e6be83de3123de3db Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 3 Feb, Martin Wuerthner wrote: > In message > Sendu Bala wrote: > > > http://www.sendu.co.uk/news/software/OvnPro_-_odd.pdf > > At the bottom of page 2 you'll see (c) in bold, where the c has drifted > > into the left-hand bracket. I saw this same effect in GView. On page 4 > > some of the long words closest to the picture (amplified, > > amplification, non-specific... infact all words with 'fi') display > > oddly in the pdf and print out with a small space after the 'fi'. In > > the case of the word 'Scientific', last line, last page, the 'fi' once > > again displays oddly, but fails to print at all, leaving just a space. > > (I can't spot anything odd about the 'fi's with GView.) [snip] > To give us a clue, try the following: Print a single line containing > ligatures from OvationPro to PostScript - preferably not just ligatures, > but words containing ligatures, such as "amplified". Check the output with > GView, convert to PDF, check the output with Acrobat Reader. Anything odd? I wrote 'Scientific amplified ligatures fififif' on one line. GView and pdf, at 100% scale, do what I assume is normal and slightly mess up the spacing between letters (by chance, I think, there was a slight space after the fi in Scientific, but not in amplified), but at higher magnifications, or when viewed with reader under Windows, there are no problems. Then I tried copying that string to give a couple of sentences worth of it, and made it flow against an empty frame (trying to simulate where it occured in my original document), but still no joy. As a sanity check I went back to my original file, used 'add ligatures' and printed the last page which had been a problem before. Still not reproducing the effect. As a final sanity check I printed all the six pages of the file above, and finally I reproduced the effect. It is bizarre, yes. I choose to print page 6 of a document in OvnPro, convert to pdf and the word 'Scientific' is fine. I choose to print pages 1-6 of the same document, just moments later, and on conversion to pdf the word 'Scientific' on page 6 has gained a space after 'fi'. > If so, please let us see the OP file, the PS and the PDF. This is beyond me, so all I can offer is the full 6-page document once again. This time I've included OvnPro file, postscript printout and pdf for completeness: http://www.sendu.co.uk/news/software/OvnPro_-_fis.zip (1152k) To reproduce the problem I suppose you'd have to have ligatures turned on of course, and maybe use 'add ligatures'. -- Sendu Bala http://www.sendu.co.uk/ | Tori, Kenshin, DNA and my Iyonix "I tell you with no ego that this is my finest blade. If you should encounter God, God will be cut." -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Feb 3 21:38:42 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ao86q-0003ay-GJ-0003bt."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 21:38:42 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ao86q-0003ay-GJ; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 21:29:29 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ao86q-0003ay-GJ; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 21:29:28 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ao86p-00055Y-PP; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 21:29:27 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1Ao86i-0006rR-3d; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 21:29:20 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i13LTDl19819 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 21:29:13 GMT Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i13LTDn19816 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 21:29:13 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Ao86b-000Pd8-0X for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 21:29:13 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 21:27:59 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvnPro - odd postscript output? References: <34df1c7b4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <34df1c7b4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >I can't find any such option in choices from the iconbar, and if I hit Well you could find document preferences on the menus. The first thing I did was look if you had auto page delete on - and at least on the document on your web site, you did. >> 'ctrl-x-ing' are not really empty. In the Macros menu activate >> 'invisibles' (it then appears on the toolbar where you can toggle it to View menu... I also checked there was no text at all in the extra pages, control caret down and see where the caret ends up. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Feb 3 21:48:44 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ao8KA-0001D3-3F-0001E1."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 21:48:44 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ao8KA-0001D3-3F; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 21:43:14 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ao8KA-0001D3-3F; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 21:43:14 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ao8K9-0000J1-Qs; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 21:43:13 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1Ao8Jl-0001WR-4b; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 21:42:49 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i13Lgij25092 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 21:42:44 GMT Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i13Lghn25089 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 21:42:44 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Ao8Jf-000K8x-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 21:42:43 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 21:41:17 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvnPro - odd postscript output? References: <1e31f87a4c.martin@mw-software.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >http://www.sendu.co.uk/news/software/OvnPro_-_fis.zip (1152k) The .ps file in that does not show the ligature problem, and when converted to .pdf the ligature problem does not show up either - however I'm using GhostScript on Windows. The ligature problem does show up in your .pdf. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Feb 3 22:28:45 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ao8zl-00027j-Ga-00028X."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 22:28:45 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ao8zl-00027j-Ga; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 22:26:14 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ao8zl-00027j-Ga; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 22:26:13 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ao8zk-00059i-Tv; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 22:26:12 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1Ao8wI-00022x-Lt; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 22:22:38 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i13MMVk18523 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 22:22:31 GMT Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.187]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i13MMU818513 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 22:22:30 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.155] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Ao8w9-0005F8-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 23:22:29 +0100 Received: from [81.96.147.40] (helo=192.168.1.1) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Ao8w9-0000hT-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 23:22:29 +0100 Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 22:23:18 GMT From: Sendu Bala To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvnPro - odd postscript output? Message-ID: References: <1e31f87a4c.martin@mw-software.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.70a (MsgServe/2.10) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:fcc8d459823b113e6be83de3123de3db Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 3 Feb, David Pilling wrote: > >http://www.sendu.co.uk/news/software/OvnPro_-_fis.zip (1152k) > > The .ps file in that does not show the ligature problem, and when > converted to .pdf the ligature problem does not show up either - however > I'm using GhostScript on Windows. And as I've said previously, you don't see the problem in GView under RISC OS either. > The ligature problem does show up in your .pdf. Martin, if you're still there, how would you interpret all this? Is it still definitately not a ps2pdf problem? Where can the problem possibly lie? -- Sendu Bala http://www.sendu.co.uk/ | Tori, Kenshin, DNA and my Iyonix "I tell you with no ego that this is my finest blade. If you should encounter God, God will be cut." -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Feb 3 22:58:46 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ao9TW-0006yZ-KL-0006zH."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 22:58:46 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ao9TW-0006yZ-KL; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 22:56:59 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ao9TW-0006yZ-KL; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 22:56:58 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ao9TW-0005rS-4E; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 22:56:58 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1Ao9TQ-0005mf-Ss; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 22:56:52 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i13MulV10242 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 22:56:47 GMT Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.186]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i13MukL10199 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 22:56:46 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.160] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Ao9TJ-0008Uk-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 23:56:45 +0100 Received: from [62.246.13.66] (helo=bach) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Ao9TH-0003Bd-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 23:56:44 +0100 Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 23:38:24 +0100 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvnPro - odd postscript output? Message-ID: References: <0efa997a4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <2bYVoSLU5wHAFwlK@pilling.demon.co.uk> <0211d97a4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <6ea91d7b4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <6ea91d7b4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <6ea91d7b4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> Sendu Bala wrote: > On 3 Feb, Martin Wuerthner wrote: > > > In message <0211d97a4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> > > Sendu Bala wrote: > > > > > On 3 Feb, David Pilling wrote: > > > > > > > >Understood. Printing on the Iyonix and viewing on GhostScript on > > > > >Windows, again I don't see a problem with the (c). > > > > > > > > I'm not sure if you've done this, but printing to PostScript and > > > > looking at the PS in GView would be an interesting test. If the > > > > PS gives the bad result, we could compare it with the PS > > > > generated on my Iyonix. If the PS is good, well the problem is > > > > outside OP. > > > > > > Ughh, I could have sworn I saw the problem in GView, but looking now it > > > seems fine. Looks like the problem is in ps2pdf. Thanks for the > > > pointers though. I'll get in touch with Tim Nicholson. > > > > No, there is no point in doing that. !ps2pdf is just a simple front-end > > for GhostScript. > > In which case... is it Graham Jones I need to talk to? Most certainly not. Nor is it me even though the executable you are using was compiled be me. The only people who would have anything to do with this problem are the GhostScript developers. > (my !GhostScr contains a folder called 7_03, so I presume I have the > latest version?) Yes, there is only one version of GS that runs on the Iyonix. > Have you ever seen something like this before? Could you suggest if > there might be a problem in ps2pdf, or is there perhaps something odd > about the postscript file that a look in GView doesn't reveal? Could > OvnPro be causing the problem? Well, I have not looked at the files, but from everything you have told us so far, the PS is fine. If it looks OK then, by definition, it is fine. The PDF conversion should preserve the way the document looks, otherwise it is broken. So, this is the fault of GhostScript and if you really want to track this problem down you need to talk to the GhostScript developers, but I do not think you will have too much success. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Feb 3 23:18:47 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ao9gj-0006bT-9s-0006cL."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 23:18:47 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ao9gj-0006bT-9s; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 23:10:38 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ao9gj-0006bT-9s; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 23:10:37 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ao9gi-0002rx-TD; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 23:10:36 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1Ao9gd-0007hm-M2; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 23:10:31 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i13NARU17403 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 23:10:27 GMT Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.186]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i13NAQb17394 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 23:10:26 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.208] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Ao9gY-0001p1-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 00:10:26 +0100 Received: from [81.96.147.40] (helo=192.168.1.1) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Ao9gY-0004ru-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 00:10:26 +0100 Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 23:11:14 GMT From: Sendu Bala To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvnPro - odd postscript output? Message-ID: <630b2a7b4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> References: <0efa997a4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <2bYVoSLU5wHAFwlK@pilling.demon.co.uk> <0211d97a4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <6ea91d7b4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.70a (MsgServe/2.10) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:fcc8d459823b113e6be83de3123de3db Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 3 Feb, Martin Wuerthner wrote: > In message <6ea91d7b4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> > Sendu Bala wrote: > > > On 3 Feb, Martin Wuerthner wrote: > > > > > In message <0211d97a4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> > > > Sendu Bala wrote: > > > > > > > On 3 Feb, David Pilling wrote: > > > > > > > > > >Understood. Printing on the Iyonix and viewing on GhostScript on > > > > > >Windows, again I don't see a problem with the (c). [snip] > > Have you ever seen something like this before? Could you suggest if > > there might be a problem in ps2pdf, or is there perhaps something odd > > about the postscript file that a look in GView doesn't reveal? Could > > OvnPro be causing the problem? > > Well, I have not looked at the files, but from everything you have told us > so far, the PS is fine. If it looks OK then, by definition, it is fine. > The PDF conversion should preserve the way the document looks, otherwise > it is broken. So, this is the fault of GhostScript This is where you loose me. I thought GView /also/ used GhostScript? If GView can get it right, why not ps2pdf? Or is ps2pdf using different features of GhostScript? Anyway, I'm certainly not going to follow this up myself. I can get good output, and if the solution is 'don't use ligatures and move things if things go wrong', I'll make do with that. -- Sendu Bala http://www.sendu.co.uk/ | Tori, Kenshin, DNA and my Iyonix "I tell you with no ego that this is my finest blade. If you should encounter God, God will be cut." -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Feb 3 23:58:49 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AoAMy-0007hh-SR-0007jq."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 23:58:49 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AoAMy-0007hh-SR; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 23:54:18 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AoAMy-0007hh-SR; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 23:54:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AoAMy-0005D4-KM; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 23:54:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AoAMa-0007fK-Mo; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 23:53:52 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i13NrjS04414 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 23:53:45 GMT Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.186]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i13NrjZ04411 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 23:53:45 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.161] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AoAMS-0007J7-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 00:53:44 +0100 Received: from [62.246.13.66] (helo=bach) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AoAMS-0002dq-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 00:53:44 +0100 Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 00:53:13 +0100 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvnPro - odd postscript output? Message-ID: <12e32d7b4c.martin@mw-software.com> References: <0efa997a4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <2bYVoSLU5wHAFwlK@pilling.demon.co.uk> <0211d97a4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <6ea91d7b4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <630b2a7b4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <630b2a7b4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <630b2a7b4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> Sendu Bala wrote: > On 3 Feb, Martin Wuerthner wrote: > > Well, I have not looked at the files, but from everything you have told us > > so far, the PS is fine. If it looks OK then, by definition, it is fine. > > The PDF conversion should preserve the way the document looks, otherwise > > it is broken. So, this is the fault of GhostScript > > This is where you loose me. I thought GView /also/ used GhostScript? If > GView can get it right, why not ps2pdf? Or is ps2pdf using different > features of GhostScript? Of course. GView tells GhostScript to turn the PostScript into a bitmap, i.e., interpret and render it. ps2pdf asks GhostScript to turn the PS into a PDF, i.e., a different vector representation. These two functions of GhostScript have little in common. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Feb 4 01:38:54 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AoBsF-0002oZ-MS-0002pV."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 01:38:54 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AoBsF-0002oZ-MS; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 01:30:41 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AoBsF-0002oZ-MS; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 01:30:39 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AoBsF-00064N-TO; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 01:30:39 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AoBrB-0005jV-Ln; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 01:29:33 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i141TPX29948 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 01:29:25 GMT Received: from snowy.kiwilink.co.nz (snowy.kiwilink.co.nz [202.27.215.2]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i141TNE29943 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 01:29:24 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from rpc.OFFICE (ip219-88-211-20.kc.net.nz [219.88.211.20]) by snowy.kiwilink.co.nz (Postfix) with SMTP id 7019D4012F5 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 14:21:35 +1300 (NZDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tim King To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 14:29:04 +1300 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvnPro - odd postscript output? Message-ID: <4c7b36a812tim@dsign.co.nz> In-Reply-To: <630b2a7b4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> References: <0efa997a4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <2bYVoSLU5wHAFwlK@pilling.demon.co.uk> <0211d97a4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <6ea91d7b4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <630b2a7b4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by svr1.spellings.net id i141TPE29946 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <630b2a7b4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk>, Sendu Bala wrote: > Anyway, I'm certainly not going to follow this up myself. I can get > good output, and if the solution is 'don't use ligatures and move > things if things go wrong', I'll make do with that. I can't resist having a look now. Interestingly, your dud pdf (the 1st 1) that stuffs up the (c) and ligatures (eg Scientific on pg 6) renders fine in Riscript. There appear to be some funny character substitutions going on in the font mapping (it's at about this point that Tonnie chips in...). It's like it's picking a character width from somewhere, and the actual character from somewhere else. For instance, I think your (c) problem is being caused by a peculiar ´ [alt-180] following the 3 at the beginning of the line. It's muddled up the character width and shunted the screen paint down till you've changed font (the bold 'c'). I'm guessing that when you get the 3' on a different line to the (c), things look ok. In !PDF that character is really wide; in Acrobat it's normal, but followed by a big space. As I say, in Riscript, character, space and (c) all as they should be. Similarly the ž in scientific on pg 6. !PDF renders it darker, like it's from a different font, but the spacing's ok. Acrobat renders it ok, but there's a space following. Riscript has character and spacing ok. Ditto for your last (Test/pdf) pdf as well. If you make the pdf with Riscript, all characters render well in all progs. Interestingly, the file size has gone up to 860k. If you make the pdf with GS on the PC, all characters render well in all progs, and this pdf is 1483k (but I could have converted at set to a higher res). So the postscript would appear to be fine. There is a difference though, between the GS's. RO is v7, Win is v8. What could be happening is that they're handling the mapping of those upper set characters in different ways. If the problem does lie there, then you may have to enquire of Graham if he's planning on updating the port... I don't know if anything can be done font mapping wise... Or buy Riscript. cheers: Tim -- de-Sig. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Feb 4 14:01:40 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AoIZf-0003Rc-3h-0003Sa."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 14:01:40 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AoIZf-0003Rc-3h; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 08:39:56 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AoIZf-0003Rc-3h; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 08:39:55 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AoIZe-00054f-Ti; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 08:39:54 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AoIZY-0007FS-Qr; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 08:39:48 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i148den29163 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 08:39:40 GMT Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.171]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i148ddE29159 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 08:39:39 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.207] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AoIZO-0000DA-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 09:39:38 +0100 Received: from [81.96.147.40] (helo=192.168.1.1) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AoIZO-0003Ym-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 09:39:38 +0100 Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 08:40:34 GMT From: Sendu Bala To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvnPro - odd postscript output? Message-ID: References: <0efa997a4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <2bYVoSLU5wHAFwlK@pilling.demon.co.uk> <0211d97a4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <6ea91d7b4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <630b2a7b4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <4c7b36a812tim@dsign.co.nz> In-Reply-To: <4c7b36a812tim@dsign.co.nz> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.70a (MsgServe/2.10) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:fcc8d459823b113e6be83de3123de3db Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 4 Feb, Tim King wrote: > In article <630b2a7b4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk>, > Sendu Bala wrote: > > Anyway, I'm certainly not going to follow this up myself. I can get > > good output, and if the solution is 'don't use ligatures and move > > things if things go wrong', I'll make do with that. > > I can't resist having a look now. [snip explanation] Many thanks, at least I know exactly what to avoid now :) [snip filesizes] I've configured ps2pdf to do automatic compression on colour, gray and mono because it was creating really big pdfs before. No doubt RiScript and Acrobat would create even smaller pdfs with similar settings (if they have them?). > So the postscript would appear to be fine. There is a difference > though, between the GS's. RO is v7, Win is v8. What does RiScript use btw? > What could be happening is that they're handling the mapping of those > upper set characters in different ways. If the problem does lie > there, then you may have to enquire of Graham if he's planning on > updating the port... I don't know if anything can be done font > mapping wise... Or buy Riscript. I have RiScript and would love to use it. It's just not 32bit. Does Martin want to suggest if a switch to v8 could be the answer, and if it's ok to bother Graham now? Surely this would be of use to everyone if v8 has general improvements in handling like this. I can't be the only person to ever get odd results creating pdfs under RISC OS! Or if it could be the mapping issue, can somone suggest how I test that theory? -- Sendu Bala http://www.sendu.co.uk/ | Tori, Kenshin, DNA and my Iyonix "I tell you with no ego that this is my finest blade. If you should encounter God, God will be cut." -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Feb 4 14:01:51 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AoK2s-0002ti-9n-0002wh."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 14:01:51 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AoK2s-0002ti-9n; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 10:14:11 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AoK2s-0002ti-9n; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 10:14:10 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AoK2r-0001bj-PS; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 10:14:09 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AoK2k-00022c-Od; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 10:14:02 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i14ADrO02756 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 10:13:53 GMT Received: from smtpq2.home.nl (smtpq2.home.nl [213.51.128.197]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i14ADqg02747 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 10:13:52 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [213.51.128.135] (port=39583 helo=smtp4.home.nl) by smtpq2.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AoK2Z-0007eU-WD for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 11:13:51 +0100 Received: from cp418204-a.dbsch1.nb.home.nl ([217.123.44.165]:55557 helo=padua) by smtp4.home.nl with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AoK2Y-0001UT-EU for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 11:13:50 +0100 Message-ID: <001a01c3eb07$e451cb50$6502a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: References: <0efa997a4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <2bYVoSLU5wHAFwlK@pilling.demon.co.uk> <0211d97a4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <6ea91d7b4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <630b2a7b4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <4c7b36a812tim@dsign.co.nz> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvnPro - odd postscript output? 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