From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Oct 4 13:41:03 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1A5iEy-0002PG-BI-0002Ql."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 4 Oct 2003 13:41:03 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1A5iEy-0002PG-BI; Sat, 04 Oct 2003 08:58:17 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1A5iEy-0002PG-BI; Sat, 04 Oct 2003 08:58:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1A5iEZ-0007EG-5t; Sat, 04 Oct 2003 09:57:51 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h948vBi13959 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 4 Oct 2003 09:57:11 +0100 Received: from mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (mta07-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.47]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h948v5713924 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2003 09:57:06 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [81.96.193.125] by mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20031004085704.DXEN2637.mta07-svc.ntlworld.com@[81.96.193.125]> for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2003 09:57:04 +0100 Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 09:57:04 +0100 From: Colin McQueen To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] Mailing list header Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4c396ab9c1ray@raydawson.com> References: <4c396ab9c1ray@raydawson.com> Mail-Followup-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net, Colin McQueen User-Agent: Gemini/1.24 (Windows-XP) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi Is it possible for this mailing list to have a Mailing-List: header etc. so it can be handled by Gemini (Windows version of Messenger) TIA -- Colin McQueen -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Oct 4 13:46:54 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1A5lnX-00051R-AP-00053n."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 4 Oct 2003 13:46:54 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1A5lnX-00051R-AP; Sat, 04 Oct 2003 12:46:12 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1A5lnX-00051R-AP; Sat, 04 Oct 2003 12:46:11 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1A5lnT-00007b-8f; Sat, 04 Oct 2003 13:46:07 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h94Cjjg19189 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 4 Oct 2003 13:45:45 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h94CjYH19151 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2003 13:45:35 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1A5lmw-000Ls7-0W for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 04 Oct 2003 13:45:34 +0100 Message-ID: <9ln3XRAKCsf$Ew4s@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 13:43:54 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Mailing list header References: <4c396ab9c1ray@raydawson.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Is it possible for this mailing list to have a >Mailing-List: >header etc. so it can be handled by Gemini (Windows version of Messenger) Well maybe. Is it not possible to use other unique things this list has in the headers for routing? -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Oct 4 14:24:12 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1A5mNa-000439-7p-000457."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 4 Oct 2003 14:24:12 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1A5mNa-000439-7p; Sat, 04 Oct 2003 13:23:27 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1A5mNa-000439-7p; Sat, 04 Oct 2003 13:23:26 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1A5mHG-0004Td-9H; Sat, 04 Oct 2003 14:16:54 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h94DGg327166 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 4 Oct 2003 14:16:42 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h94DGZu27141 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2003 14:16:35 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1A5mGv-000NoX-0W for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 04 Oct 2003 14:16:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 14:09:43 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Mailing list header Message-ID: <4c3c1efd1aJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4c396ab9c1ray@raydawson.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , Colin McQueen wrote: > Is it possible for this mailing list to have a > Mailing-List: > header etc. so it can be handled by Gemini (Windows version of > Messenger) Lots of other mailing lists don't have that header either; surely it'd be better if Gemini had a bunch of ways of identifying maillist mails, rather than expecting every maillist on the planet to change? -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 7 19:11:41 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1A65K0-00068g-Cg-00069j."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 19:11:41 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1A65K0-00068g-Cg; Sun, 05 Oct 2003 09:37:02 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1A65K0-00068g-Cg; Sun, 05 Oct 2003 09:37:00 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1A65JX-0007di-JW; Sun, 05 Oct 2003 10:36:31 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h959Zc418820 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 5 Oct 2003 10:35:39 +0100 Received: from cmailm5.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailm5.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.21]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h959ZTR18690 for ; Sun, 5 Oct 2003 10:35:30 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from user-1570.bbd08tcl.dsl.pol.co.uk ([81.77.126.34] helo=[10.0.12.24]) by cmailm5.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1A65IW-0005Te-Tk for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 05 Oct 2003 10:35:29 +0100 Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 10:35:34 +0100 From: David Williams To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Mailing list header Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <9ln3XRAKCsf$Ew4s@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <4c396ab9c1ray@raydawson.com> <9ln3XRAKCsf$Ew4s@pilling.demon.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Gemini/1.24 (Windows-XP) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) David Pilling wrote: > >Is it possible for this mailing list to have a > >Mailing-List: > >header etc. so it can be handled by Gemini (Windows version of Messenger) > > Well maybe. Is it not possible to use other unique things this list has > in the headers for routing? > > I'm using Gemini and I've set up a mailing list with the criteria set to header contains softwarelist@davidpilling.net hth Dave Williams -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 7 19:11:42 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1A65Zw-0005YZ-B7-0005ZM."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 19:11:42 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1A65Zw-0005YZ-B7; Sun, 05 Oct 2003 09:53:29 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1A65Zw-0005YZ-B7; Sun, 05 Oct 2003 09:53:28 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1A65Zj-00028t-Ea; Sun, 05 Oct 2003 10:53:15 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h959qwv23776 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 5 Oct 2003 10:52:58 +0100 Received: from scrabble.freeuk.net (scrabble.freeuk.net [212.126.144.29]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h959qlv23651 for ; Sun, 5 Oct 2003 10:52:48 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from du-011-0165.freeuk.com ([212.126.154.165] helo=skiddaw) by scrabble.freeuk.net with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1A65ZE-0004k8-IJ for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 05 Oct 2003 10:52:45 +0100 Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 10:32:08 +0100 From: Steve Fryatt To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Mailing list header Message-ID: <82e78e3c4c.steve@skiddaw.stevefryatt.org.uk> References: <4c396ab9c1ray@raydawson.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/4.37) POPstar/2.05 X-Editor: Zap 1.45 (06 Nov 2002), ZapEmail 0.26 (03 Nov 2002) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 4 Oct, Colin McQueen wrote in message : > Is it possible for this mailing list to have a > > Mailing-List: > > header etc. so it can be handled by Gemini (Windows version of > Messenger) Can't you just use the x-maillist header, as I'm doing with Messenger? -- Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/ * "I love deadlines. I especially love the swooshing sound they make as they go flying by." -- Scott Adams -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 7 19:11:53 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1A69cK-0000HW-FI-0000Jv."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 19:11:53 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1A69cK-0000HW-FI; Sun, 05 Oct 2003 14:12:14 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1A69cK-0000HW-FI; Sun, 05 Oct 2003 14:12:12 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1A69c7-0001RD-8r; Sun, 05 Oct 2003 15:11:59 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h95EBM600546 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 5 Oct 2003 15:11:22 +0100 Received: from mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (mta02-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.42]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h95EB9L00490 for ; Sun, 5 Oct 2003 15:11:10 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from linux.at.home ([81.105.234.79]) by mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20031005141108.AAI16630.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@linux.at.home> for ; Sun, 5 Oct 2003 15:11:08 +0100 Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 15:11:04 +0100 From: John Pettigrew To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Mailing list header Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4c3c1efd1aJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> References: <4c396ab9c1ray@raydawson.com> <4c3c1efd1aJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-Organization: XL Cambridge User-Agent: Gemini/1.24 (Linux-i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="107815093--1730556241--535893462"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) --107815093--1730556241--535893462 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a previous message, Jeremy C B Nicoll wrote:= > In article , > Colin McQueen wrote: > > Is it possible for this mailing list to have a >=20 > > Mailing-List: >=20 > > header etc. so it can be handled by Gemini (Windows version of Messen= ger) >=20 > Lots of other mailing lists don't have that header either; surely it'd = be > better if Gemini had a bunch of ways of identifying maillist mails, rat= her > than expecting every maillist on the planet to change? Gemini can, of course, use criterion to filter on, just like MessPro etc.= (actually, it's even better than MessPro in this respect, as might be expected!). However, it does have a "wizard" for creating mailing lists automatically, and this only works with a subset of the possible headers.= So, Colin - just set up the filter manually using=20 x-mailList is equal to softwarelist This is what I use and it works perfectly. John --=20 John Pettigrew Headstrong Games=20 john@headstrong-games.co.uk Fun : Strategy : Price=20 http://www.headstrong-games.co.uk/ Board games that won't break the ban= k=20 Knossos: escape the ever-changing labyrinth before the Minotaur catches y= ou!=20 --107815093--1730556241--535893462 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQA/gCZ8p6M/P/S/JWgRAuBaAJ9kxqdhrjvUUwtQJ7kFFhOZ3JRdtwCfb2mh h+lzjOvdwPzPiRywCZ5RGj0= =Nvjz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --107815093--1730556241--535893462-- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 7 19:11:55 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1A6Ba0-0006oH-Dk-0006pN."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 19:11:55 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1A6Ba0-0006oH-Dk; Sun, 05 Oct 2003 16:17:57 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1A6Ba0-0006oH-Dk; Sun, 05 Oct 2003 16:17:56 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1A6BZt-0000qR-4s; Sun, 05 Oct 2003 17:17:49 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h95GHL813177 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 5 Oct 2003 17:17:21 +0100 Received: from mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (mta01-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.41]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h95GHCe13101 for ; Sun, 5 Oct 2003 17:17:13 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([81.96.193.125]) by mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20031005161709.GOIF12291.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@[127.0.0.1]>; Sun, 5 Oct 2003 17:17:09 +0100 Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 16:53:58 +0100 From: Colin McQueen To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Cc: gemini-users@intellegit.com Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Mailing list header Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <4c396ab9c1ray@raydawson.com> <4c3c1efd1aJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net, gemini-users@intellegit.com User-Agent: Gemini/1.24 (Windows-XP) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi John Pettigrew wrote: > In a previous message, Jeremy C B Nicoll wrote: > > > In article , > > Colin McQueen wrote: > > > Is it possible for this mailing list to have a > > > > > Mailing-List: > > > > > header etc. so it can be handled by Gemini (Windows version of > > > Messenger) > > > > Lots of other mailing lists don't have that header either; surely it'd > > be better if Gemini had a bunch of ways of identifying maillist mails, > > rather than expecting every maillist on the planet to change? > > Gemini can, of course, use criterion to filter on, just like MessPro etc. > (actually, it's even better than MessPro in this respect, as might be > expected!). However, it does have a "wizard" for creating mailing lists > automatically, and this only works with a subset of the possible headers. > > So, Colin - just set up the filter manually using x-mailList is equal to > softwarelist > > This is what I use and it works perfectly. Thanks. I should have made it clearer that it was a request to allow the mail list wizard to work. I had already worked around it, but thanks anyway. I assumed that Mailing-List: was a standard as all the mail lists I am on had it bar this one. As Jeremy C B Nicoll points out that there are many without it I guess Gemini ought to be changed to "catch" more in its wizard. I'll CC this to that list to see what is said there. Thanks for all the replies -- Colin McQueen -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Oct 8 13:55:40 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1A78Kr-00046u-4o-0007FQ."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 13:55:40 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1A78Kr-00046u-4o; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 07:18:41 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1A78Kr-00046u-4o; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 07:02:13 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1A78Km-00087f-K5; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 08:02:08 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h9871va03463 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 08:01:57 +0100 Received: from avs3.chariot.net.au (avs3.chariot.net.au [203.87.94.3]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h9871g603409 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 08:01:43 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by avs3.chariot.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 251752D1DD for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 16:31:51 +0930 (CST) Received: from avs3.chariot.net.au ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (avs3.chariot.net.au [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 21192-01-31 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 16:31:51 +0930 (CST) Received: from mail.chariot.net.au (mail.chariot.net.au [203.87.95.38]) by avs3.chariot.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id E04022BCE4 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 16:31:50 +0930 (CST) Received: from localhost (ppp-244.cust203-87-119.ghr.chariot.net.au [203.87.119.244]) by mail.chariot.net.au (Postfix) with SMTP id 9716D5F711 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 16:31:38 +0930 (CST) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 10:44:59 +1030 From: Peter Prewett To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] Windows Ovation Message-ID: <7f67e73d4c.pprewett@chariot.net.au> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (MsgServe/2.02) (RISC-OS/4.33) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at chariot.net.au Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=DATE_IN_PAST_06_12,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Can the Windows Ovation import files from the Risc PC, assuming that graphics are converted before doing so? Cheers -- Peter Prewett, Coromandel Valley, South Australia -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Oct 9 02:17:20 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1A74F4-0004GG-5t-0003Ko."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 02:17:20 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1A74F4-0004GG-5t; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 01:16:47 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1A74F4-0004GG-5t; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 02:39:58 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1A74Ej-0004oa-7w; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 03:39:37 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h982dPW11600 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 03:39:25 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h982dL511588 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 03:39:21 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1A74ES-000FeJ-0X for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 03:39:20 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 03:37:54 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] PostScript, Text in Draw files, Iyonix, OP MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, I've had a report about a draw file produced in TableMate 3 not printing correctly on Iyonix from Ovation Pro. To be precise the text was missing when printing to PostScript. On my Iyonix I don't see this problem, the table prints correctly. I wonder if anyone has any comments? I seem to recall others have had similar trouble in the past. I'm wondering if you still have it or what made it go away? -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Oct 9 13:32:29 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1A7Dur-0003JT-7F-0006DR."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 13:32:29 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1A7Dur-0003JT-7F; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 06:58:54 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1A7Dur-0003JT-7F; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 12:59:46 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1A7Dul-00022C-9Q; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 13:59:39 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h98CxLk20803 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 13:59:21 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h98CxHn20764 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 13:59:18 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1A7DuP-000AfT-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 13:59:17 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 13:57:59 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Windows Ovation References: <7f67e73d4c.pprewett@chariot.net.au> In-Reply-To: <7f67e73d4c.pprewett@chariot.net.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Can the Windows Ovation import files from the Risc PC, assuming that >graphics are converted before doing so? The Windows and RISC OS versions use the same file format (including graphics). So you just load your RISC OS document on Windows with no more ado. (this excludes Artworks files (which won't render on Windows) and .bmp files (which won't render on RISC OS)). -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Oct 9 13:32:37 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1A7WQ4-0006E1-AQ-0001oM."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 13:32:37 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1A7WQ4-0006E1-AQ; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 09:24:35 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1A7WQ4-0006E1-AQ; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 08:45:12 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1A7WMr-0005mL-OF; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 09:41:53 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h998fZM18062 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 09:41:35 +0100 Received: from server0027.freedom2surf.net (server0011.freedom2surf.net [194.106.56.14]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h998fQ718016 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 09:41:27 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from iyonix ([194.106.52.185]) by server0027.freedom2surf.net (8.12.6/8.12.6/Debian-7) with ESMTP id h998fQEK030870 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 08:41:26 GMT Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 09:41:36 +0100 From: Peter Bell To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] SparkFS on Select 3 Message-ID: <589f993e4c.peter@iyonix.earley.fourcom.com> X-Organization: FourSquare Computing Limited User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Is it just me, or have ROL fiddled with the filetype of ZIP files? When reading a .zip file from CD-ROM, it now gets a RO filetype of 'ZIP' (&a91). The mapping appears to be defined in Resources:$.Resources.FileTypes.Types. Not surprisingly, SparkFS doesn't know about this new filetype and won't, therefore, load the file automatically. Appropriate Alias_RunType definitions in the SparkFS !Run and !Boot files are needed to cope with this change. -- Peter Bell - peter@bellfamily.org.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Oct 9 13:32:38 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1A7XEe-0006ls-9L-00045h."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 13:32:38 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1A7XEe-0006ls-9L; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 11:27:54 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1A7XEe-0006ls-9L; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 09:37:28 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1A7WgJ-0004OS-WB; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 10:02:00 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h9991f025144 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 10:01:41 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h9991Yf25100 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 10:01:34 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([158.152.204.98]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1A7Wft-0001mD-0X for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 10:01:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 09:58:09 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] PostScript, Text in Draw files, Iyonix, OP Message-ID: <4c3e9b2304john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.03g (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 08 Oct, David Pilling wrote: > I've had a report about a draw file produced in TableMate 3 not printing > correctly on Iyonix from Ovation Pro. To be precise the text was missing > when printing to PostScript. > On my Iyonix I don't see this problem, the table prints correctly. > I wonder if anyone has any comments? I seem to recall others have had > similar trouble in the past. I'm wondering if you still have it or what > made it go away? Which version of Tablemate? -- John Cartmell john@cartmell.demon.co.uk FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 Acorn Publisher magazine & FD Games www.acornpublisher.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Oct 9 21:54:43 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1A7aFV-0006L8-70-0000wu."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 21:54:43 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1A7aFV-0006L8-70; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 20:54:13 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1A7aFV-0006L8-70; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 12:50:33 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1A7a5s-00031c-RM; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 13:40:36 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h99CeSU21946 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 13:40:28 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h99CeQ721935 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 13:40:26 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1A7a5i-000Mbo-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 13:40:26 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 13:38:47 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] OvHTML References: <7f67e73d4c.pprewett@chariot.net.au> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Richard Murray writes... Dear Everybody, DO NOT USE OVHTML 0.36g TO EXPORT HTML. If you have more than two styles nested, it'll crash horribly! Upgrade to v0.36h or v0.38. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ This leads us to our second problem. The php3 stuff on HeyRick is no longer working correctly ( ). I've tracked down the problem ( when given a parameter like ?file=xxx it is not auto-creating the variable 'file' with the value "xxx" ) so hopefully it'll be better soon. You'll find OvHTML 0.38b at: http://heyrick.squirrel-net.co.uk/software.html I have an email address you can try to contact me on. It's the name of my program, at bushinternet.com. Please, though, don't post the address publically as it is currently spam-free. If that fails for any reason (Bush has had 'technical problems' recently), you can reach me at at merseymail.com ; with thanks to John Williams for arranging this. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 10 00:57:22 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1A70eG-0004aG-Bn-0002Hi."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 00:57:22 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1A70eG-0004aG-Bn; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 23:56:44 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1A70eG-0004aG-Bn; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 22:49:44 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1A70dM-0001SE-6g; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 23:48:48 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h97Mm3523992 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 23:48:03 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h97MlnD23779 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 23:47:50 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1A70cP-000OHH-0V for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 23:47:49 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 23:46:34 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] USB Scanners References: <4c396ab9c1ray@raydawson.com> <4c3c1efd1aJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, This is a bit speculative... It seems that Epson have rationalised their scanner line, what is going to be available is the 1670 and the 3170. These it seems do not use the standard Epson command set and the command set they do use is not available (e.g. the Linux world doesn't know it). So soon there may be no USB scanners available which there is a RISC OS driver for. Now I don't want to encourage you to rush off to PC World waving bundles of 10 pound notes and begging them to sell you their demo Epson 1660, the situation may change by tomorrow. Epson may release the command set, someone may do a driver for another USB scanner. Other Epson scanners might appear. The usual suspects are making efforts to resolve this. However if I wanted a USB scanner in the near future I'd bear it in mind. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 10 02:04:35 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1A7A0g-0002e7-D5-0001oc."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 02:04:35 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1A7A0g-0002e7-D5; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 01:03:09 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1A7A0g-0002e7-D5; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 08:49:30 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1A79ha-0005YP-6r; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 09:29:46 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h988TeF30409 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 09:29:40 +0100 Received: from mxout4.netvision.net.il (mxout4.netvision.net.il [194.90.9.27]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h988TZW30382 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 09:29:38 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from netvision.net.il ([217.132.178.137]) by mxout4.netvision.net.il (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.14 (built Mar 18 2003)) with ESMTPA id <0HMF001GZJL9H6@mxout4.netvision.net.il> for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 10:29:34 +0200 (IST) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 10:29:33 +0200 From: Michael Ben-Gershon Subject: Re: [softwarelist] PostScript, Text in Draw files, Iyonix, OP In-reply-to: To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Message-id: <3F83CAED.7080408@netvision.net.il> Organization: My Office MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-GB, en, he User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030703 References: Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,HAS_ORGANIZATION,IN_REP_TO, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA,X_ACCEPT_LANG autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > > I've had a report about a draw file produced in TableMate 3 not printing > correctly on Iyonix from Ovation Pro. To be precise the text was missing > when printing to PostScript. > > On my Iyonix I don't see this problem, the table prints correctly. > > I wonder if anyone has any comments? I seem to recall others have had > similar trouble in the past. I'm wondering if you still have it or what > made it go away? I had the problem, but not only with OPro. In fact, the same happens with Draw, but NOT with Impression Publisher, leading me to think the problem may lie somewhere in the Draw module (I think Publisher uses its own mechanism?). I now do a quick test on a small file I have with SPrinter, and if it fails I reboot the machine and continue from there. I have tried killing all of the printer connected modules and then restarting !Printers, but that does not help. The problem occurs with ALL printer drivers, but with the Postscript driver it is easy to spot as the output is human-redadable! I have no idea what s/w is causing it to get messed up. I have tried a few things but to no avail. I would just love to have a solution! Michael Ben-Gershon mybg@netvision.net.il -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 10 13:59:55 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1A7s9c-00014z-64-00011u."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 13:59:55 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1A7s9c-00014z-64; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 08:03:19 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1A7s9c-00014z-64; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 07:57:40 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1A7rtC-0007L5-In; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 08:40:42 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h9A7e6f05108 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 08:40:06 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h9A7dxw05060 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 08:40:01 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from south-frm.demon.co.uk ([80.177.26.219] helo=greatest) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1A7rsV-0003gf-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 08:39:59 +0100 Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 08:37:41 +0100 From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvHTML Message-ID: <089b173f4c.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> References: <7f67e73d4c.pprewett@chariot.net.au> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message of 9 Oct, David Pilling wrote: > Richard Murray writes... > You'll find OvHTML 0.38b at: > http://heyrick.squirrel-net.co.uk/software.html I took me a day to work this one out. The file to download had "/zip" at the end and I have SparkFS on my Iyonix set to handle ZIPs only. And there was no way it would unzip. But in fact this was either a spark or a tar file, as I found when I opened it fast on the RPC. Does this mean that the right strategy is to set all archive types to be active? -- Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 10 14:00:04 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1A7vPW-00021W-3g-0000E7."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 14:00:04 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1A7vPW-00021W-3g; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 11:30:40 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1A7vPW-00021W-3g; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 11:26:18 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1A7ie2-0006rt-Ou; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 22:48:26 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h99LmKs30112 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 22:48:20 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.87]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h99LmFi30051 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 22:48:16 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1A7idr-000OhL-0b for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 22:48:15 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 22:47:10 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] John Ferguson References: <7f67e73d4c.pprewett@chariot.net.au> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi I was very sad to learn tonight of the death of John Ferguson. I'd like to pay tribute to him here. Over the years he helped me a lot with developing my software. To be specific he designed almost all the templates (window designs) and icons used in my programs. John did his work in the face of great physical difficulties. I guess many people will be familiar with his helpful contributions to the various online Acorn forums. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 10 14:00:05 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1A7wRW-0000Oe-5j-0005JS."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 14:00:05 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1A7wRW-0000Oe-5j; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 12:41:32 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1A7wRW-0000Oe-5j; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 12:32:26 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1A7iU9-000381-JZ; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 22:38:13 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h99LbY522551 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 22:37:34 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h99LbSP22476 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 22:37:28 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1A7iTP-000Du4-0X for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 22:37:27 +0100 Message-ID: <7lP2XPFRTdh$Ew5W@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 22:36:17 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SparkFS on Select 3 References: <589f993e4c.peter@iyonix.earley.fourcom.com> In-Reply-To: <589f993e4c.peter@iyonix.earley.fourcom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Is it just me, or have ROL fiddled with the filetype of ZIP files? Yes. Justin decided that Zip files should have their own file type. It was a pity that at some point in the early 1990's Acorn had a panic that file types were running out. So there was no chance to register one Acorn file type for each archive format. This is why most types share type 0xDDC. There's more trouble here because two image filing systems can't use the same file type, this is why ArcFS and SparkFS give ArcFS files different types. >Appropriate Alias_RunType definitions in the SparkFS !Run and !Boot >files are needed to cope with this change. > You can make SparkFS handle files with any type. Again this was a result of the ArcFS situation, ISTR that in the !Run file (and !ReadMe) there are some notes. This is not just changing alias's - doing that will end up with SparkFS retyping the file. What I'm talking about is making SparkFS actually use another file type for a given archive type. The original plan was that Justin would issue a obey file or whatever that made this change. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 10 14:39:00 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1A7xLa-0002Ym-3a-00069w."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 14:39:00 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1A7xLa-0002Ym-3a; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 13:38:28 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1A7xLa-0002Ym-3a; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 13:30:22 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1A7xKr-0001Bc-4d; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 14:29:37 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h9ADTSF18408 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 14:29:28 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h9ADTL018366 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 14:29:22 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1A7xKb-000EMJ-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 14:29:21 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 14:27:46 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvHTML References: <7f67e73d4c.pprewett@chariot.net.au> <089b173f4c.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <089b173f4c.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >I took me a day to work this one out. The file to download had "/zip" >at the end and I have SparkFS on my Iyonix set to handle ZIPs only. >And there was no way it would unzip. But in fact this was either a >spark or a tar file, as I found when I opened it fast on the RPC. >Does this mean that the right strategy is to set all archive types to be >active? I think it is common to add .zip to spark archives on web sites, because some browsers won't offer to save the file otherwise. I'd say just load the archive modules that make life easy. I have Spark, Zip and Tar loaded. Once in a while I get caught out with a PackDir file. Although if you're on an Iyonix with 512MB of memory you might as well load the lot. I suspect the Mac module is the least useful, and I can't recall meeting a .zoo file for many years. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 10 14:59:08 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1A7xPO-0005Eg-7p-0007n4."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 14:59:08 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1A7xPO-0005Eg-7p; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 13:58:25 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1A7xPO-0005Eg-7p; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 13:34:18 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1A7hsr-000207-Qb; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 21:59:42 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h99KxE531636 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 21:59:14 +0100 Received: from scrabble.freeuk.net (scrabble.freeuk.net [212.126.144.29]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h99Kx3E31572 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 21:59:03 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from du-009-0186.freeuk.com ([212.126.152.186] helo=skiddaw) by scrabble.freeuk.net with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1A7hsD-0000Mp-6e for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 21:59:01 +0100 Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 21:58:19 +0100 From: Steve Fryatt To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SparkFS on Select 3 Message-ID: <2012dd3e4c.steve@skiddaw.stevefryatt.org.uk> References: <589f993e4c.peter@iyonix.earley.fourcom.com> In-Reply-To: <589f993e4c.peter@iyonix.earley.fourcom.com> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/4.37) POPstar/2.05 X-Editor: Zap 1.45 (06 Nov 2002), ZapEmail 0.26 (03 Nov 2002) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 9 Oct, Peter Bell wrote in message <589f993e4c.peter@iyonix.earley.fourcom.com>: > Is it just me, or have ROL fiddled with the filetype of ZIP files? It's been discussed on the Select mailing list, as have the reasons /why/ it's been done. > When reading a .zip file from CD-ROM, it now gets a RO filetype of > 'ZIP' (&a91). The mapping appears to be defined in > Resources:$.Resources.FileTypes.Types. Not surprisingly, SparkFS > doesn't know about this new filetype and won't, therefore, load the > file automatically. The solution (fix to SparkFS) has been posted here in the past and on the Select list (twice) last week. > Appropriate Alias_RunType definitions in the SparkFS !Run and !Boot > files are needed to cope with this change. -- Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/ * "It is better for your career to do nothing, than to do something and attract criticism." -- Scott Adams -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 10 15:07:13 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1A7wVh-0004OM-B5-000778."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 15:07:13 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1A7wVh-0004OM-B5; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 14:06:36 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1A7wVh-0004OM-B5; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 12:36:45 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1A7i80-0001B7-3y; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 22:15:20 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h99LFF106808 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 22:15:15 +0100 Received: from smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net (smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net [212.135.6.12]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h99LFED06790 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 22:15:14 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from tnt-12-94.easynet.co.uk ([212.134.20.94] helo=miranda.philipnet.com) by smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 1A7i7o-000M9r-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 22:15:13 +0100 Received: from philipnet.com (gromit.philipnet.com [192.168.1.33]) by miranda.philipnet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 200C92C4F6 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 22:15:03 +0100 (BST) Received: from philip by philipnet.com with local (RemoteNB 1.54) for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; 09 Oct 2003 22:14:38 +0100 Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 22:14:36 +0100 From: Philip Ludlam To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SparkFS on Select 3 Message-ID: References: <589f993e4c.peter@iyonix.earley.fourcom.com> In-Reply-To: <589f993e4c.peter@iyonix.earley.fourcom.com> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (RemoteNB/1.54) (RISC-OS/4.37) X-Sender: Philip Ludlam X-Sender-URL: http://www.philipnet.com/ X-Editor: StrongED 4.66 (stable) X-Editor-URL: http://www.stronged.iconbar.com/ X-Desktop-Utility: Director X-Desktop-Utility-URL: http://director.sourceforge.net/ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 9 Oct, in message <589f993e4c.peter@iyonix.earley.fourcom.com> Peter Bell wrote: >Is it just me, or have ROL fiddled with the filetype of ZIP files? deja vu!?!? Yours, Phil L. -- http://www.philipnet.com http://director.sourceforge.net i ou a uea i e a o ie e a o a a oue oae -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 10 15:33:27 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1A7xHW-0001gw-7B-0002IE."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 15:33:27 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1A7xHW-0001gw-7B; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 14:33:02 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1A7xHW-0001gw-7B; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 13:26:10 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1A7xHQ-0000iI-JJ; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 14:26:04 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h9ADPLq16635 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 14:25:21 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h9ADPHN16589 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 14:25:17 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1A7xGf-000L5I-0W for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 14:25:17 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 14:23:47 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] PostScript, Text in Draw files, Iyonix, OP References: <3F83CAED.7080408@netvision.net.il> In-Reply-To: <3F83CAED.7080408@netvision.net.il> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >I had the problem, but not only with OPro. In fact, the same happens with >Draw, but NOT with Impression Publisher, leading me to think the problem >may lie somewhere in the Draw module (I think Publisher uses its own >mechanism?). Thanks for that. Impression uses its own font module and its own draw module. The thought I had after reading your posting was about my stuff, FontFix, ArcFax and SpecialFX, all three involve modules that muck about with font painting calls. So I'd rmkill those three if I was having problems. (ArcFaxFix is the module). Hmm PostScript printing won't rely on a module rendering stuff, it will intercept calls before this point. So any problem will be relatively high up. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 10 16:58:10 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1A7xAJ-0006oW-9O-0005a6."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 16:58:10 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1A7xAJ-0006oW-9O; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 15:57:31 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1A7xAJ-0006oW-9O; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 13:18:43 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1A7LJT-0006mJ-QM; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 21:53:39 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h98KrK306610 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 21:53:20 +0100 Received: from mxout4.netvision.net.il (mxout4.netvision.net.il [194.90.9.27]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h98KrF006584 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 21:53:15 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from netvision.net.il ([217.132.40.182]) by mxout4.netvision.net.il (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.14 (built Mar 18 2003)) with ESMTPA id <0HMG00207I0ONY@mxout4.netvision.net.il> for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 22:53:13 +0200 (IST) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 22:53:12 +0200 From: Michael Ben-Gershon Subject: Re: [softwarelist] PostScript, Text in Draw files, Iyonix, OP In-reply-to: <20cc3b3e4c.Alan@marshall.abelgratis.net> To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Message-id: <3F847938.4090203@netvision.net.il> Organization: My Office MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-GB, en, he User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030703 References: <20cc3b3e4c.Alan@marshall.abelgratis.net> Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,HAS_ORGANIZATION,IN_REP_TO, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA,X_ACCEPT_LANG autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Alan Marshall wrote: > In message > David Pilling wrote: > > >>Hi, >> >>I've had a report about a draw file produced in TableMate 3 not printing >>correctly on Iyonix from Ovation Pro. To be precise the text was missing >>when printing to PostScript. >> >>On my Iyonix I don't see this problem, the table prints correctly. >> >>I wonder if anyone has any comments? I seem to recall others have had >>similar trouble in the past. I'm wondering if you still have it or what >>made it go away? >> >> > > > I have had the problem intermittently on the Iyonix with Fireworkz where the > legend of a graph didn't print and Enbank where only figures printed. I > haven't yet been able to find a common thread. I think it is significant that Impression Publisher (under Aemulor) does not mess up embedded Drawfiles, whereas OPro and Draw do. If Impression uses a slightly different method than other software, that must be the root of the problem. Michael Ben-Gershon mybg@netvision.net.il -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 10 17:23:24 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1A7xRs-00065i-BH-00059P."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 17:23:24 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1A7xRs-00065i-BH; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 16:22:34 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1A7xRs-00065i-BH; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 13:36:52 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1A7ckr-0001py-Lx; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 16:31:05 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h99FUe526623 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 16:30:40 +0100 Received: from mxout5.netvision.net.il (mxout5.netvision.net.il [194.90.9.29]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h99FUZW26580 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 16:30:36 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from netvision.net.il ([217.132.41.215]) by mxout5.netvision.net.il (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.14 (built Mar 18 2003)) with ESMTPA id <0HMH005FLXQYXM@mxout5.netvision.net.il> for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 17:30:34 +0200 (IST) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 17:30:33 +0200 From: Michael Ben-Gershon Subject: Re: [softwarelist] PostScript, Text in Draw files, Iyonix, OP In-reply-to: <4c3e9b2304john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Message-id: <3F857F19.60100@netvision.net.il> Organization: My Office MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-GB, en, he User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030703 References: <4c3e9b2304john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,HAS_ORGANIZATION,IN_REP_TO, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA, X_ACCEPT_LANG autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) John Cartmell wrote: > On 08 Oct, David Pilling wrote: > > >>I've had a report about a draw file produced in TableMate 3 not printing >>correctly on Iyonix from Ovation Pro. To be precise the text was missing >>when printing to PostScript. > > >>On my Iyonix I don't see this problem, the table prints correctly. > > >>I wonder if anyone has any comments? I seem to recall others have had >>similar trouble in the past. I'm wondering if you still have it or what >>made it go away? > > > Which version of Tablemate? In my experience (and I think others as well) the problem is manifested in any draw files with text areas in them. TableMate just seems to be a commonly used example of this. In addition, it is not only OPro, but also Draw itself - but NOT Impression Publisher. Michael Ben-Gershon mybg@netvision.net.il -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 10 19:11:13 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1A77RK-0000yl-9U-0002f3."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 19:11:13 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1A77RK-0000yl-9U; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 18:10:25 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1A77RK-0000yl-9U; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 06:04:50 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1A77RE-0000FN-Lt; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 07:04:44 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h9864Lc22831 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 07:04:21 +0100 Received: from colossus.systems.pipex.net (colossus.systems.pipex.net [62.241.160.73]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h9864Fe22807 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 07:04:16 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from iyonix (81-178-229-65.dsl.pipex.com [81.178.229.65]) by colossus.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F99D160007AB for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 07:04:15 +0100 (BST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Graham Jenkins To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 07:03:37 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] PostScript, Text in Draw files, Iyonix, OP Message-ID: <4c3e075284graham@gjenkins.me.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.02f (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 08 Oct, David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > I've had a report about a draw file produced in TableMate > 3 not printing correctly on Iyonix from Ovation Pro. To > be precise the text was missing when printing to > PostScript. > On my Iyonix I don't see this problem, the table prints > correctly. > I wonder if anyone has any comments? I seem to recall > others have had similar trouble in the past. I'm > wondering if you still have it or what made it go away? I find that if I modify a table using Tablemate Designer II and drop it back into OvPro and then try to print the page without quitting TableMate first then the printer file is produced but as soon as it tries to go to the printer a fatal error from OvPro occurs. Using alt/break to quit OvPro then allows the file to print. If TableMate is quit before trying to print then all works fine. Cheers - -- Graham N P Jenkins graham@gjenkins.me.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 10 21:24:18 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1A834b-0003pi-Dg-0004St."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 21:24:18 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1A834b-0003pi-Dg; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 20:23:43 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1A834b-0003pi-Dg; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 19:37:13 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1A834W-0002tG-Al; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 20:37:08 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h9AJadc30967 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 20:36:39 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.87]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h9AJaYx30940 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 20:36:34 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1A833y-0009Yn-0b for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 20:36:34 +0100 Message-ID: <1YilIkGknwh$Ewqw@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 20:35:00 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] PostScript, Text in Draw files, Iyonix, OP References: <4c3e075284graham@gjenkins.me.uk> In-Reply-To: <4c3e075284graham@gjenkins.me.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >I find that if I modify a table using Tablemate Designer II >and drop it back into OvPro and then try to print the page >without quitting TableMate first then the printer file is >produced but as soon as it tries to go to the printer a >fatal error from OvPro occurs. Using alt/break to quit OvPro >then allows the file to print. If TableMate is quit before >trying to print then all works fine. This long standing problem of yours is what makes me wary of TableMate. However on the Iyo problem, I've suggested the Draw files are run through Draw first. You see my suspicion was incorrect bounding boxes on some of the objects, this would make OP ignore them. However I now don't believe that. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 10 23:00:07 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1A85EK-0005jp-5c-0003Xy."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 23:00:07 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1A85EK-0005jp-5c; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 21:59:27 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1A85EK-0005jp-5c; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 21:55:24 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1A7HuE-0006Mt-De; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 18:15:22 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h98HFDw29722 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 18:15:13 +0100 Received: from ulva.abel.net.uk (ulva.abel.net.uk [195.72.113.6]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h98HF8O29699 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 18:15:09 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from iyonix (host213-1-26-40.webport.bt.net [213.1.26.40]) by ulva.abel.net.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id F37B33168EC for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 18:15:07 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 16:36:47 +0100 From: Alan Marshall To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] PostScript, Text in Draw files, Iyonix, OP Message-ID: <20cc3b3e4c.Alan@marshall.abelgratis.net> References: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.04-pre2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > > I've had a report about a draw file produced in TableMate 3 not printing > correctly on Iyonix from Ovation Pro. To be precise the text was missing > when printing to PostScript. > > On my Iyonix I don't see this problem, the table prints correctly. > > I wonder if anyone has any comments? I seem to recall others have had > similar trouble in the past. I'm wondering if you still have it or what > made it go away? > > I have had the problem intermittently on the Iyonix with Fireworkz where the legend of a graph didn't print and Enbank where only figures printed. I haven't yet been able to find a common thread. Regards, Alan. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Oct 11 13:28:45 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1A7tIG-0004wC-Cm-0005ab."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 11 Oct 2003 13:28:45 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1A7tIG-0004wC-Cm; Sat, 11 Oct 2003 02:33:46 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1A7tIG-0004wC-Cm; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 09:10:40 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1A7LWp-0000Ec-Ez; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 22:07:27 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h98L7ER11424 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 22:07:14 +0100 Received: from smtp08.wxs.nl (smtp08.wxs.nl [195.121.6.40]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h98L7B611407 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 22:07:11 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from me (ip51cc4b49.speed.planet.nl [81.204.75.73]) by smtp08.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.14 (built Mar 18 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HMG006P4ILPNK@smtp08.wxs.nl> for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 23:05:50 +0200 (MEST) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 23:08:13 +0200 From: Paul Sprangers Subject: [softwarelist] PostScript, Text in Draw files, Iyonix, OP In-reply-to: <3F83CAED.7080408@netvision.net.il> To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Message-id: <4c3e5a242fpaul@delink.nl> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.04-pre2 References: <3F83CAED.7080408@netvision.net.il> Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Michael Ben-Gershon wrote: > In fact, the same happens with Draw That is my experience too. As long as text is not converted to paths, text in drawfiles is ignored, when printed through Ovation. Importing the drawfile into Artworks and save it as an Artworks file (and using that file rather than the original drawfile) cures the problem. But I agree with Micheal that it is probably Draw module related, not necessarily Ovation. The Iyonix mailing list hasn't given any solution, until now. Kind regards, Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Oct 11 13:28:57 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1A82tG-0004VQ-BO-0004bC."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 11 Oct 2003 13:28:57 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1A82tG-0004VQ-BO; Sat, 11 Oct 2003 02:11:43 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1A82tG-0004VQ-BO; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 19:25:30 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1A7MFU-0006Q0-0N; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 22:53:36 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h98LrGm25370 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 22:53:16 +0100 Received: from smtpq3.home.nl (smtpq3.home.nl [213.51.128.198]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h98Lr7D25334 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 22:53:08 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [213.51.128.135] (port=44409 helo=smtp4.home.nl) by smtpq3.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7MF0-00079N-Tm for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 23:53:06 +0200 Received: from cp418204-a.dbsch1.nb.home.nl ([217.123.44.165]:55545 helo=padua) by smtp4.home.nl with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7MF0-0006Tp-5d for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 23:53:06 +0200 Message-ID: <003101c38d25$ebc41b30$6502a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: References: <20cc3b3e4c.Alan@marshall.abelgratis.net> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] PostScript, Text in Draw files, Iyonix, OP Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 23:54:02 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-AtHome-MailScanner-Information: Neem contact op met support@home.nl voor meer informatie X-AtHome-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,DATE_IN_PAST_12_24,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Wednesday, October 08, 2003 4:36 PM, Alan Marshall wrote: > In message > David Pilling wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I've had a report about a draw file produced in TableMate 3 not >> printing correctly on Iyonix from Ovation Pro. To be precise the >> text was missing when printing to PostScript. >> >> On my Iyonix I don't see this problem, the table prints correctly. >> >> I wonder if anyone has any comments? I seem to recall others have had >> similar trouble in the past. I'm wondering if you still have it or >> what made it go away? >> >> > > I have had the problem intermittently on the Iyonix with Fireworkz > where the legend of a graph didn't print and Enbank where only > figures printed. I haven't yet been able to find a common thread. > Not any experience with Iyonix. Only Risc PC. But, I also had troubles with text in embedded DrawFiles, when the fonts used in the DrawFiles were NOT used in the main document. It didn't matter which program had produced the DrawFile. Text areas instead of text objects (can) cause different behaviour. Only as an example: Easiwriter doesn't need the use of fonts in the main text to send fonts-only-used in text objects and text areas in DrawFiles, embedded in Easiwriter. Fireworkz does need them. Surely, when the fonts are used in text-areas. Again, without using the font in one of the main text frames, even in Impression I had trouble with DrawFiles with e.g. a RISC OS font, that was *mapped* to Zapf Dingbats. In case of mapping, even Type3 description isn't in the PostScript file. Maybe related, maybe not. Maybe even not relevant for current OP & Iyonix. Tonnie -- Mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Oct 11 13:28:59 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1A83CX-0006TH-Ec-0002ZC."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 11 Oct 2003 13:28:59 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1A83CX-0006TH-Ec; Sat, 11 Oct 2003 08:18:11 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1A83CX-0006TH-Ec; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 19:45:25 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1A7NAe-0005cI-3s; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 23:52:40 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h98MpuW10170 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 23:51:56 +0100 Received: from mxout3.netvision.net.il (mxout3.netvision.net.il [194.90.9.24]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h98Mpf910106 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 23:51:42 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from netvision.net.il ([217.132.54.92]) by mxout3.netvision.net.il (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.14 (built Mar 18 2003)) with ESMTPA id <0HMG0070INI3TQ@mxout3.netvision.net.il> for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 00:51:40 +0200 (IST) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 00:51:39 +0200 From: Michael Ben-Gershon Subject: Re: [softwarelist] PostScript, Text in Draw files, Iyonix, OP In-reply-to: <003101c38d25$ebc41b30$6502a8c0@padua> To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Message-id: <3F8494FB.1060805@netvision.net.il> Organization: My Office MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-GB, en, he User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030703 References: <20cc3b3e4c.Alan@marshall.abelgratis.net> <003101c38d25$ebc41b30$6502a8c0@padua> Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,HAS_ORGANIZATION,IN_REP_TO, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA, X_ACCEPT_LANG autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Tonnie Demarteau wrote: > On Wednesday, October 08, 2003 4:36 PM, > Alan Marshall wrote: > > >>In message >> David Pilling wrote: >> >> >>>Hi, >>> >>>I've had a report about a draw file produced in TableMate 3 not >>>printing correctly on Iyonix from Ovation Pro. To be precise the >>>text was missing when printing to PostScript. >>> >>>On my Iyonix I don't see this problem, the table prints correctly. >>> >>>I wonder if anyone has any comments? I seem to recall others have had >>>similar trouble in the past. I'm wondering if you still have it or >>>what made it go away? >>> >>> >> >>I have had the problem intermittently on the Iyonix with Fireworkz >>where the legend of a graph didn't print and Enbank where only >>figures printed. I haven't yet been able to find a common thread. >> > > > Not any experience with Iyonix. Only Risc PC. I NEVER had this problem with the Risc PC (with or without Select) only with the Iyonix. Michael Ben-Gershon mybg@netvision.net.il -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Oct 11 13:29:18 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1A8F38-0004iS-9X-0004ls."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 11 Oct 2003 13:29:18 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1A8F38-0004iS-9X; Sat, 11 Oct 2003 08:24:33 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1A8F38-0004iS-9X; Sat, 11 Oct 2003 08:24:30 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1A8F31-0001ie-Hj; Sat, 11 Oct 2003 09:24:23 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h9B8NoH07155 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 11 Oct 2003 09:23:50 +0100 Received: from cmailg5.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg5.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.175]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h9B8NjF07131 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2003 09:23:45 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from user-1158.bbd12tcl.dsl.pol.co.uk ([81.77.156.134] helo=[10.0.12.24]) by cmailg5.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1A8F2O-0000Ue-FI for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 11 Oct 2003 09:23:44 +0100 Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 09:23:49 +0100 From: David Williams To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] OvnPro PC lines Message-ID: Mail-Followup-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Gemini/1.24 (Windows-XP) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi I've found 2 problems with drawing lines on the PC version of OvationPro. On W98 machines the lines appear to draw ok ie. the line points are visible but when I complete the line it disappears - changing line width/colour makes no difference. On XP the lines draw ok but I can't change the end cap ie its properties change but not its appearance. Any ideas. Dave Williams -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 14 19:18:48 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1A8J0Y-0005t0-5j-000305."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 19:18:48 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1A8J0Y-0005t0-5j; Sat, 11 Oct 2003 15:58:30 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1A8J0Y-0005t0-5j; Sat, 11 Oct 2003 12:38:06 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1A8J0Q-0001vy-PK; Sat, 11 Oct 2003 13:37:58 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h9BCbYc18276 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 11 Oct 2003 13:37:34 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h9BCbQ618236 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2003 13:37:26 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1A8Izt-0001cn-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 11 Oct 2003 13:37:25 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 13:36:16 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvnPro PC lines References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >I've found 2 problems with drawing lines on the PC version of OvationPro. On >W98 machines the lines appear to draw ok ie. the line points are visible but >when I complete the line it disappears - changing line width/colour makes no >difference. Sounds like a bug. > >On XP the lines draw ok but I can't change the end cap ie its properties >change but not its appearance. This is something which is not yet implemented, Windows just doesn't provide the same line drawing facilities which RISC OS does, no caps, no dash patterns. To finish things off I will have to write that code myself. (usual chorus of "you wonder what MS has done with the money", if they can't provide such simple features). -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 14 19:18:55 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1A8M6Z-00072M-Fb-00016v."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 19:18:55 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1A8M6Z-00072M-Fb; Sat, 11 Oct 2003 16:02:56 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1A8M6Z-00072M-Fb; Sat, 11 Oct 2003 15:56:31 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1A8M6L-0007f1-Nl; Sat, 11 Oct 2003 16:56:17 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h9BFu0N08817 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 11 Oct 2003 16:56:00 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.87]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h9BFtsa08788 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2003 16:55:54 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1A8M5x-000DB2-0b for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 11 Oct 2003 16:55:53 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 16:54:40 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] PostScript, Text in Draw files, Iyonix, OP References: <20cc3b3e4c.Alan@marshall.abelgratis.net> <003101c38d25$ebc41b30$6502a8c0@padua> <3F8494FB.1060805@netvision.net.il> In-Reply-To: <3F8494FB.1060805@netvision.net.il> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,IN_REP_TO,MAILTO_TO_REMOVE,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >From: "R. Simpson" In message <4c3e9b2304john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> John Cartmell wrote: > On 08 Oct, David Pilling wrote: > > > I've had a report about a draw file produced in TableMate 3 not printing > > correctly on Iyonix from Ovation Pro. To be precise the text was missing > > when printing to PostScript. > > > On my Iyonix I don't see this problem, the table prints correctly. > > > I wonder if anyone has any comments? I seem to recall others have had > > similar trouble in the past. I'm wondering if you still have it or what > > made it go away? > > Which version of Tablemate? > Hi, Slightly off topic. 5.01e always crashes the machine (StrongArm, select 3 (before and after select)) if it is on the icon bar and then I try to print from other applications. I often construct a table and export to Draw to print (it means I can position it on the page better and add headings, etc) If I quit tablemate before printing I have no problem. Irritating because I sometimes forget. Crashes range from an error box which can be worked around using 'alt-break' to a full crash requiring the reset button at the back. Is there a leter version? If so, where can I get it? Cheers, Bob. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 14 19:21:02 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1A9KWs-0003BK-8C-0007iI."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 19:21:02 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1A9KWs-0003BK-8C; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 08:31:00 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1A9KWs-0003BK-8C; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 08:27:42 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1A9KWQ-0005N8-Tn; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 09:27:14 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h9E8QFW13636 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 09:26:15 +0100 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.188]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h9E8Q6013559 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 09:26:06 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.208] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1A9KVJ-0001XO-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 10:26:05 +0200 Received: from [172.176.172.88] (helo=bach) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1A9KVH-0005zi-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 10:26:03 +0200 Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 10:19:48 +0200 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] PostScript, Text in Draw files, Iyonix, OP Message-ID: <69ce2a414c.martin@mw-software.com> References: <20cc3b3e4c.Alan@marshall.abelgratis.net> <3F847938.4090203@netvision.net.il> In-Reply-To: <3F847938.4090203@netvision.net.il> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.70a (MsgServe/2.10) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <3F847938.4090203@netvision.net.il> Michael Ben-Gershon wrote: > I think it is significant that Impression Publisher (under Aemulor) does > not mess up embedded Drawfiles, whereas OPro and Draw do. Draw? You mean printing Draw files from Draw goes wrong? Can you send me a file that shows this? > If Impression uses a slightly different method than other software, that > must be the root of the problem. "Slightly different"? Yes, very much so. Impression has its own Draw file scanning and rendering routines while almost all other software uses the DrawFile module provided by the OS to render Draw files. To give you an idea what is going wrong: When printing to PostScript applications have to declare all the fonts used in the document they are going to print when starting printing. The symptoms of fonts not printing shows that most probably they were not declared by the application. Of course, it is relatively straightforward for each application to find out which fonts are used in its own documents, but all the fonts used in embedded diagrams need to be declared as well. Therefore, the DrawFile modules offers a facility to enumerate the fonts used in a Draw file. So, if things go wrong, either the application has not used this facility to find out the fonts used in the Draw file or there is a bug in said facility that means that not all fonts are enumerated. In either case, any fonts that are used in the main document as well will still print correctly because the application declares them. Impression has its own code for scanning Draw files. As far as I can tell, OPro also has its own code for rendering Draw files (otherwise it could not render rotated JPEGs in Draw files, which is a rather advanced and rarely noticed thing it does). However, I suspect that OPro still uses the DrawFile module to enumerate the fonts used in the Draw file. So, a bug in the DrawFile module in ROM would explain the problem. However, since David could not reproduce the problem with the same Draw file, it is more likely that some other software interferes. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 14 19:21:04 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1A9KmH-00056J-6N-0004tl."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 19:21:04 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1A9KmH-00056J-6N; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 09:42:31 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1A9KmH-00056J-6N; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 08:43:38 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1A9KWQ-0005N1-16; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 09:27:14 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h9E8QOv13657 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 09:26:24 +0100 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.188]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h9E8Q6L13561 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 09:26:07 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.208] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1A9KVK-0001Xe-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 10:26:06 +0200 Received: from [172.176.172.88] (helo=bach) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1A9KVJ-0005zi-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 10:26:06 +0200 Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 10:25:37 +0200 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] PostScript, Text in Draw files, Iyonix, OP Message-ID: References: <3F83CAED.7080408@netvision.net.il> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.70a (MsgServe/2.10) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message David Pilling wrote: > >I had the problem, but not only with OPro. In fact, the same happens with > >Draw, but NOT with Impression Publisher, leading me to think the problem > >may lie somewhere in the Draw module (I think Publisher uses its own > >mechanism?). > > Thanks for that. > > Impression uses its own font module and its own draw module. Not quite. Impression uses the FontManager. The "FontDraw" module is only used under RISC OS 2, and all it does is provide the facility to convert an outline font text to a Draw structure. Impression uses its own Draw module (called GDraw), but this is not relevant here. We are talking about interpreting a Draw file, which is what the *DrawFile* module does, not about rendering filled and stroked paths (which is what the Draw module does). But it is true that Impression uses its own code to do the things that the DrawFile module does. This happens for various reasons, most importantly DrawFile only became available long after Impression was written. And secondly, the clipping Impression does for graphics frames only works if its own Draw module is used and DrawFile obviously uses the system's Draw module. > Hmm PostScript printing won't rely on a module rendering stuff, it will > intercept calls before this point. So any problem will be relatively > high up. I think, it must be a font declaration problem. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 14 19:21:09 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1A9O9f-0000Eb-5W-0000JA."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 19:21:09 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1A9O9f-0000Eb-5W; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 12:20:03 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1A9O9f-0000Eb-5W; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 12:20:00 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1A9O9E-0003EI-Cr; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 13:19:32 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h9ECJIV07033 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 13:19:18 +0100 Received: from moomin.torch.net (moomin.inbusiness.net [212.50.161.83]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h9ECJHg07023 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 13:19:17 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: (qmail 87184 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2003 12:15:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO SONYLAPTOP) ([213.249.153.129]) (envelope-sender ) by -v (qmail-1.03) with SMTP for ; 14 Oct 2003 12:15:01 -0000 From: "Ian" To: Subject: RE: [softwarelist] White Line between Thumbnails Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 13:19:16 +0100 Message-ID: <001001c3924d$62d9e4d0$0110100a@SONYLAPTOP> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 In-Reply-To: <69ce2a414c.martin@mw-software.com> Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, Does anyone know how to get rid of the thin white line that appears between thumbnails. I have a solid banner appearing at the top of a page which bleeds off on either side. The page is A4 and I need to print it two up on A3 for running off on my colour Laser. If I set up for automatic thumbnails it prints 2 on page provided I turn off bleed. If I manually set up thumbnails with 0mm x margin, it does exactly the same, even if I do a negative x margin If I tick to use bleed, it does something really weird, which amounts to putting one page partly over the top of the other one I think rather than cropping off a bit on either side where they butt up as it should do. I have the same problem when doing business cards, which result in me always having to manually lay out 10 on a page or whatever, as tick marks also completely muck up thumbnails. Does anyone have any suggestions? Thanks Ian _ _ _ _ |_|_|_|_| Post: Concorde House, Trinity Park, Solihull B37 7UQ |_|_|_|_| Phone: 0121 635 5020 |_|_|_|_| Email: ian@realpoint.co.uk |_|_|_|_| Web: http://www.realpoint.co.uk Real Point -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 14 21:08:32 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1A9V0k-0007jU-Aq-000325."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 21:08:32 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1A9V0k-0007jU-Aq; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 20:07:39 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1A9V0k-0007jU-Aq; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 19:39:14 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1A9V0M-0000OO-3S; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 20:38:50 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h9EJcQr05301 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 20:38:26 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h9EJcH905188 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 20:38:17 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1A9Uzo-000NNl-0Y for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 20:38:16 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 20:36:50 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] PostScript, Text in Draw files, Iyonix, OP References: <20cc3b3e4c.Alan@marshall.abelgratis.net> <3F847938.4090203@netvision.net.il> <69ce2a414c.martin@mw-software.com> In-Reply-To: <69ce2a414c.martin@mw-software.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, > "Slightly different"? Yes, very much so. Impression has its own >Draw file scanning and rendering routines while almost all other software >uses the DrawFile module provided by the OS to render Draw files. OP uses its own code too... >rarely noticed thing it does). However, I suspect that OPro still uses the >DrawFile module to enumerate the fonts used in the Draw file. No. >So, a bug in the DrawFile module in ROM would explain the problem. >However, since David could not reproduce the problem with the same Draw >file, it is more likely that some other software interferes. Yes the two key points are; (1) MBG says this happens on bit map printers as well as PS, so any odd stuff about declaring fonts is not the solution. (2) An identical file does not show the problem on my machine. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 14 22:44:09 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1A9V3Y-0003U4-Bb-00015i."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 22:44:09 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1A9V3Y-0003U4-Bb; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 21:40:58 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1A9V3Y-0003U4-Bb; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 19:42:08 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1A9V3K-0001MA-SI; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 20:41:54 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h9EJfik06348 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 20:41:44 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h9EJfdI06329 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 20:41:39 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1A9V35-000Buz-0V for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 20:41:39 +0100 Message-ID: <$9F3xBExEFj$EwIh@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 20:40:33 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] White Line between Thumbnails References: <69ce2a414c.martin@mw-software.com> <001001c3924d$62d9e4d0$0110100a@SONYLAPTOP> In-Reply-To: <001001c3924d$62d9e4d0$0110100a@SONYLAPTOP> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Does anyone know how to get rid of the thin white line that appears >between thumbnails. The way you put it, it sounds like a bug, a single pixel error between clipping rectangles. I wonder if it shows up on different printer drivers. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Oct 15 14:09:20 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1A9Vpc-0001fj-9g-0003B9."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 14:09:20 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1A9Vpc-0001fj-9g; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 04:31:30 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1A9Vpc-0001fj-9g; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 20:31:48 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1A9VpH-0001LP-Fq; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 21:31:27 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h9EKUxY22294 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 21:30:59 +0100 Received: from mxout4.netvision.net.il (mxout4.netvision.net.il [194.90.9.27]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h9EKUro22262 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 21:30:53 +0100 Delivered-To: Receive