From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Oct 4 13:41:03 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1A5iEy-0002PG-BI-0002Ql."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 4 Oct 2003 13:41:03 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1A5iEy-0002PG-BI; Sat, 04 Oct 2003 08:58:17 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1A5iEy-0002PG-BI; Sat, 04 Oct 2003 08:58:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1A5iEZ-0007EG-5t; Sat, 04 Oct 2003 09:57:51 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h948vBi13959 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 4 Oct 2003 09:57:11 +0100 Received: from mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (mta07-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.47]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h948v5713924 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2003 09:57:06 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [81.96.193.125] by mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20031004085704.DXEN2637.mta07-svc.ntlworld.com@[81.96.193.125]> for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2003 09:57:04 +0100 Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 09:57:04 +0100 From: Colin McQueen To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] Mailing list header Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4c396ab9c1ray@raydawson.com> References: <4c396ab9c1ray@raydawson.com> Mail-Followup-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net, Colin McQueen User-Agent: Gemini/1.24 (Windows-XP) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi Is it possible for this mailing list to have a Mailing-List: header etc. so it can be handled by Gemini (Windows version of Messenger) TIA -- Colin McQueen -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Oct 4 13:46:54 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1A5lnX-00051R-AP-00053n."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 4 Oct 2003 13:46:54 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1A5lnX-00051R-AP; Sat, 04 Oct 2003 12:46:12 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1A5lnX-00051R-AP; Sat, 04 Oct 2003 12:46:11 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1A5lnT-00007b-8f; Sat, 04 Oct 2003 13:46:07 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h94Cjjg19189 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 4 Oct 2003 13:45:45 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h94CjYH19151 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2003 13:45:35 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1A5lmw-000Ls7-0W for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 04 Oct 2003 13:45:34 +0100 Message-ID: <9ln3XRAKCsf$Ew4s@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 13:43:54 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Mailing list header References: <4c396ab9c1ray@raydawson.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Is it possible for this mailing list to have a >Mailing-List: >header etc. so it can be handled by Gemini (Windows version of Messenger) Well maybe. Is it not possible to use other unique things this list has in the headers for routing? -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Oct 4 14:24:12 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1A5mNa-000439-7p-000457."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 4 Oct 2003 14:24:12 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1A5mNa-000439-7p; Sat, 04 Oct 2003 13:23:27 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1A5mNa-000439-7p; Sat, 04 Oct 2003 13:23:26 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1A5mHG-0004Td-9H; Sat, 04 Oct 2003 14:16:54 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h94DGg327166 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 4 Oct 2003 14:16:42 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h94DGZu27141 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2003 14:16:35 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1A5mGv-000NoX-0W for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 04 Oct 2003 14:16:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 14:09:43 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Mailing list header Message-ID: <4c3c1efd1aJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4c396ab9c1ray@raydawson.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , Colin McQueen wrote: > Is it possible for this mailing list to have a > Mailing-List: > header etc. so it can be handled by Gemini (Windows version of > Messenger) Lots of other mailing lists don't have that header either; surely it'd be better if Gemini had a bunch of ways of identifying maillist mails, rather than expecting every maillist on the planet to change? -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 7 19:11:41 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1A65K0-00068g-Cg-00069j."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 19:11:41 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1A65K0-00068g-Cg; Sun, 05 Oct 2003 09:37:02 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1A65K0-00068g-Cg; Sun, 05 Oct 2003 09:37:00 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1A65JX-0007di-JW; Sun, 05 Oct 2003 10:36:31 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h959Zc418820 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 5 Oct 2003 10:35:39 +0100 Received: from cmailm5.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailm5.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.21]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h959ZTR18690 for ; Sun, 5 Oct 2003 10:35:30 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from user-1570.bbd08tcl.dsl.pol.co.uk ([81.77.126.34] helo=[10.0.12.24]) by cmailm5.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1A65IW-0005Te-Tk for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 05 Oct 2003 10:35:29 +0100 Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 10:35:34 +0100 From: David Williams To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Mailing list header Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <9ln3XRAKCsf$Ew4s@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <4c396ab9c1ray@raydawson.com> <9ln3XRAKCsf$Ew4s@pilling.demon.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Gemini/1.24 (Windows-XP) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) David Pilling wrote: > >Is it possible for this mailing list to have a > >Mailing-List: > >header etc. so it can be handled by Gemini (Windows version of Messenger) > > Well maybe. Is it not possible to use other unique things this list has > in the headers for routing? > > I'm using Gemini and I've set up a mailing list with the criteria set to header contains softwarelist@davidpilling.net hth Dave Williams -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 7 19:11:42 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1A65Zw-0005YZ-B7-0005ZM."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 19:11:42 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1A65Zw-0005YZ-B7; Sun, 05 Oct 2003 09:53:29 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1A65Zw-0005YZ-B7; Sun, 05 Oct 2003 09:53:28 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1A65Zj-00028t-Ea; Sun, 05 Oct 2003 10:53:15 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h959qwv23776 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 5 Oct 2003 10:52:58 +0100 Received: from scrabble.freeuk.net (scrabble.freeuk.net [212.126.144.29]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h959qlv23651 for ; Sun, 5 Oct 2003 10:52:48 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from du-011-0165.freeuk.com ([212.126.154.165] helo=skiddaw) by scrabble.freeuk.net with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1A65ZE-0004k8-IJ for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 05 Oct 2003 10:52:45 +0100 Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 10:32:08 +0100 From: Steve Fryatt To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Mailing list header Message-ID: <82e78e3c4c.steve@skiddaw.stevefryatt.org.uk> References: <4c396ab9c1ray@raydawson.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/4.37) POPstar/2.05 X-Editor: Zap 1.45 (06 Nov 2002), ZapEmail 0.26 (03 Nov 2002) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 4 Oct, Colin McQueen wrote in message : > Is it possible for this mailing list to have a > > Mailing-List: > > header etc. so it can be handled by Gemini (Windows version of > Messenger) Can't you just use the x-maillist header, as I'm doing with Messenger? -- Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/ * "I love deadlines. I especially love the swooshing sound they make as they go flying by." -- Scott Adams -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 7 19:11:53 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1A69cK-0000HW-FI-0000Jv."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 19:11:53 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1A69cK-0000HW-FI; Sun, 05 Oct 2003 14:12:14 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1A69cK-0000HW-FI; Sun, 05 Oct 2003 14:12:12 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1A69c7-0001RD-8r; Sun, 05 Oct 2003 15:11:59 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h95EBM600546 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 5 Oct 2003 15:11:22 +0100 Received: from mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (mta02-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.42]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h95EB9L00490 for ; Sun, 5 Oct 2003 15:11:10 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from linux.at.home ([81.105.234.79]) by mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20031005141108.AAI16630.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@linux.at.home> for ; Sun, 5 Oct 2003 15:11:08 +0100 Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 15:11:04 +0100 From: John Pettigrew To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Mailing list header Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4c3c1efd1aJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> References: <4c396ab9c1ray@raydawson.com> <4c3c1efd1aJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-Organization: XL Cambridge User-Agent: Gemini/1.24 (Linux-i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="107815093--1730556241--535893462"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) --107815093--1730556241--535893462 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a previous message, Jeremy C B Nicoll wrote:= > In article , > Colin McQueen wrote: > > Is it possible for this mailing list to have a >=20 > > Mailing-List: >=20 > > header etc. so it can be handled by Gemini (Windows version of Messen= ger) >=20 > Lots of other mailing lists don't have that header either; surely it'd = be > better if Gemini had a bunch of ways of identifying maillist mails, rat= her > than expecting every maillist on the planet to change? Gemini can, of course, use criterion to filter on, just like MessPro etc.= (actually, it's even better than MessPro in this respect, as might be expected!). However, it does have a "wizard" for creating mailing lists automatically, and this only works with a subset of the possible headers.= So, Colin - just set up the filter manually using=20 x-mailList is equal to softwarelist This is what I use and it works perfectly. John --=20 John Pettigrew Headstrong Games=20 john@headstrong-games.co.uk Fun : Strategy : Price=20 http://www.headstrong-games.co.uk/ Board games that won't break the ban= k=20 Knossos: escape the ever-changing labyrinth before the Minotaur catches y= ou!=20 --107815093--1730556241--535893462 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQA/gCZ8p6M/P/S/JWgRAuBaAJ9kxqdhrjvUUwtQJ7kFFhOZ3JRdtwCfb2mh h+lzjOvdwPzPiRywCZ5RGj0= =Nvjz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --107815093--1730556241--535893462-- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 7 19:11:55 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1A6Ba0-0006oH-Dk-0006pN."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 19:11:55 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1A6Ba0-0006oH-Dk; Sun, 05 Oct 2003 16:17:57 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1A6Ba0-0006oH-Dk; Sun, 05 Oct 2003 16:17:56 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1A6BZt-0000qR-4s; Sun, 05 Oct 2003 17:17:49 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h95GHL813177 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 5 Oct 2003 17:17:21 +0100 Received: from mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (mta01-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.41]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h95GHCe13101 for ; Sun, 5 Oct 2003 17:17:13 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([81.96.193.125]) by mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20031005161709.GOIF12291.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@[127.0.0.1]>; Sun, 5 Oct 2003 17:17:09 +0100 Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 16:53:58 +0100 From: Colin McQueen To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Cc: gemini-users@intellegit.com Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Mailing list header Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <4c396ab9c1ray@raydawson.com> <4c3c1efd1aJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net, gemini-users@intellegit.com User-Agent: Gemini/1.24 (Windows-XP) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi John Pettigrew wrote: > In a previous message, Jeremy C B Nicoll wrote: > > > In article , > > Colin McQueen wrote: > > > Is it possible for this mailing list to have a > > > > > Mailing-List: > > > > > header etc. so it can be handled by Gemini (Windows version of > > > Messenger) > > > > Lots of other mailing lists don't have that header either; surely it'd > > be better if Gemini had a bunch of ways of identifying maillist mails, > > rather than expecting every maillist on the planet to change? > > Gemini can, of course, use criterion to filter on, just like MessPro etc. > (actually, it's even better than MessPro in this respect, as might be > expected!). However, it does have a "wizard" for creating mailing lists > automatically, and this only works with a subset of the possible headers. > > So, Colin - just set up the filter manually using x-mailList is equal to > softwarelist > > This is what I use and it works perfectly. Thanks. I should have made it clearer that it was a request to allow the mail list wizard to work. I had already worked around it, but thanks anyway. I assumed that Mailing-List: was a standard as all the mail lists I am on had it bar this one. As Jeremy C B Nicoll points out that there are many without it I guess Gemini ought to be changed to "catch" more in its wizard. I'll CC this to that list to see what is said there. Thanks for all the replies -- Colin McQueen -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Oct 8 13:55:40 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1A78Kr-00046u-4o-0007FQ."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 13:55:40 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1A78Kr-00046u-4o; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 07:18:41 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1A78Kr-00046u-4o; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 07:02:13 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1A78Km-00087f-K5; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 08:02:08 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h9871va03463 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 08:01:57 +0100 Received: from avs3.chariot.net.au (avs3.chariot.net.au [203.87.94.3]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h9871g603409 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 08:01:43 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by avs3.chariot.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 251752D1DD for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 16:31:51 +0930 (CST) Received: from avs3.chariot.net.au ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (avs3.chariot.net.au [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 21192-01-31 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 16:31:51 +0930 (CST) Received: from mail.chariot.net.au (mail.chariot.net.au [203.87.95.38]) by avs3.chariot.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id E04022BCE4 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 16:31:50 +0930 (CST) Received: from localhost (ppp-244.cust203-87-119.ghr.chariot.net.au [203.87.119.244]) by mail.chariot.net.au (Postfix) with SMTP id 9716D5F711 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 16:31:38 +0930 (CST) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 10:44:59 +1030 From: Peter Prewett To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] Windows Ovation Message-ID: <7f67e73d4c.pprewett@chariot.net.au> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (MsgServe/2.02) (RISC-OS/4.33) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at chariot.net.au Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=DATE_IN_PAST_06_12,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Can the Windows Ovation import files from the Risc PC, assuming that graphics are converted before doing so? Cheers -- Peter Prewett, Coromandel Valley, South Australia -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Oct 9 02:17:20 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1A74F4-0004GG-5t-0003Ko."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 02:17:20 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1A74F4-0004GG-5t; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 01:16:47 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1A74F4-0004GG-5t; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 02:39:58 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1A74Ej-0004oa-7w; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 03:39:37 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h982dPW11600 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 03:39:25 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h982dL511588 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 03:39:21 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1A74ES-000FeJ-0X for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 03:39:20 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 03:37:54 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] PostScript, Text in Draw files, Iyonix, OP MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, I've had a report about a draw file produced in TableMate 3 not printing correctly on Iyonix from Ovation Pro. To be precise the text was missing when printing to PostScript. On my Iyonix I don't see this problem, the table prints correctly. I wonder if anyone has any comments? I seem to recall others have had similar trouble in the past. I'm wondering if you still have it or what made it go away? -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Oct 9 13:32:29 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1A7Dur-0003JT-7F-0006DR."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 13:32:29 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1A7Dur-0003JT-7F; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 06:58:54 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1A7Dur-0003JT-7F; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 12:59:46 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1A7Dul-00022C-9Q; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 13:59:39 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h98CxLk20803 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 13:59:21 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h98CxHn20764 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 13:59:18 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1A7DuP-000AfT-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 13:59:17 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 13:57:59 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Windows Ovation References: <7f67e73d4c.pprewett@chariot.net.au> In-Reply-To: <7f67e73d4c.pprewett@chariot.net.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Can the Windows Ovation import files from the Risc PC, assuming that >graphics are converted before doing so? The Windows and RISC OS versions use the same file format (including graphics). So you just load your RISC OS document on Windows with no more ado. (this excludes Artworks files (which won't render on Windows) and .bmp files (which won't render on RISC OS)). -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Oct 9 13:32:37 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1A7WQ4-0006E1-AQ-0001oM."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 13:32:37 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1A7WQ4-0006E1-AQ; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 09:24:35 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1A7WQ4-0006E1-AQ; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 08:45:12 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1A7WMr-0005mL-OF; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 09:41:53 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h998fZM18062 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 09:41:35 +0100 Received: from server0027.freedom2surf.net (server0011.freedom2surf.net [194.106.56.14]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h998fQ718016 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 09:41:27 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from iyonix ([194.106.52.185]) by server0027.freedom2surf.net (8.12.6/8.12.6/Debian-7) with ESMTP id h998fQEK030870 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 08:41:26 GMT Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 09:41:36 +0100 From: Peter Bell To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] SparkFS on Select 3 Message-ID: <589f993e4c.peter@iyonix.earley.fourcom.com> X-Organization: FourSquare Computing Limited User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Is it just me, or have ROL fiddled with the filetype of ZIP files? When reading a .zip file from CD-ROM, it now gets a RO filetype of 'ZIP' (&a91). The mapping appears to be defined in Resources:$.Resources.FileTypes.Types. Not surprisingly, SparkFS doesn't know about this new filetype and won't, therefore, load the file automatically. Appropriate Alias_RunType definitions in the SparkFS !Run and !Boot files are needed to cope with this change. -- Peter Bell - peter@bellfamily.org.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Oct 9 13:32:38 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1A7XEe-0006ls-9L-00045h."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 13:32:38 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1A7XEe-0006ls-9L; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 11:27:54 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1A7XEe-0006ls-9L; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 09:37:28 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1A7WgJ-0004OS-WB; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 10:02:00 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h9991f025144 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 10:01:41 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h9991Yf25100 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 10:01:34 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([158.152.204.98]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1A7Wft-0001mD-0X for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 10:01:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 09:58:09 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] PostScript, Text in Draw files, Iyonix, OP Message-ID: <4c3e9b2304john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.03g (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 08 Oct, David Pilling wrote: > I've had a report about a draw file produced in TableMate 3 not printing > correctly on Iyonix from Ovation Pro. To be precise the text was missing > when printing to PostScript. > On my Iyonix I don't see this problem, the table prints correctly. > I wonder if anyone has any comments? I seem to recall others have had > similar trouble in the past. I'm wondering if you still have it or what > made it go away? Which version of Tablemate? -- John Cartmell john@cartmell.demon.co.uk FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 Acorn Publisher magazine & FD Games www.acornpublisher.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Oct 9 21:54:43 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1A7aFV-0006L8-70-0000wu."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 21:54:43 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1A7aFV-0006L8-70; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 20:54:13 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1A7aFV-0006L8-70; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 12:50:33 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1A7a5s-00031c-RM; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 13:40:36 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h99CeSU21946 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 13:40:28 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h99CeQ721935 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 13:40:26 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1A7a5i-000Mbo-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 13:40:26 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 13:38:47 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] OvHTML References: <7f67e73d4c.pprewett@chariot.net.au> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Richard Murray writes... Dear Everybody, DO NOT USE OVHTML 0.36g TO EXPORT HTML. If you have more than two styles nested, it'll crash horribly! Upgrade to v0.36h or v0.38. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ This leads us to our second problem. The php3 stuff on HeyRick is no longer working correctly ( ). I've tracked down the problem ( when given a parameter like ?file=xxx it is not auto-creating the variable 'file' with the value "xxx" ) so hopefully it'll be better soon. You'll find OvHTML 0.38b at: http://heyrick.squirrel-net.co.uk/software.html I have an email address you can try to contact me on. It's the name of my program, at bushinternet.com. Please, though, don't post the address publically as it is currently spam-free. If that fails for any reason (Bush has had 'technical problems' recently), you can reach me at at merseymail.com ; with thanks to John Williams for arranging this. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 10 00:57:22 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1A70eG-0004aG-Bn-0002Hi."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 00:57:22 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1A70eG-0004aG-Bn; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 23:56:44 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1A70eG-0004aG-Bn; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 22:49:44 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1A70dM-0001SE-6g; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 23:48:48 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h97Mm3523992 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 23:48:03 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h97MlnD23779 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 23:47:50 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1A70cP-000OHH-0V for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 23:47:49 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 23:46:34 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] USB Scanners References: <4c396ab9c1ray@raydawson.com> <4c3c1efd1aJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, This is a bit speculative... It seems that Epson have rationalised their scanner line, what is going to be available is the 1670 and the 3170. These it seems do not use the standard Epson command set and the command set they do use is not available (e.g. the Linux world doesn't know it). So soon there may be no USB scanners available which there is a RISC OS driver for. Now I don't want to encourage you to rush off to PC World waving bundles of 10 pound notes and begging them to sell you their demo Epson 1660, the situation may change by tomorrow. Epson may release the command set, someone may do a driver for another USB scanner. Other Epson scanners might appear. The usual suspects are making efforts to resolve this. However if I wanted a USB scanner in the near future I'd bear it in mind. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 10 02:04:35 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1A7A0g-0002e7-D5-0001oc."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 02:04:35 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1A7A0g-0002e7-D5; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 01:03:09 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1A7A0g-0002e7-D5; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 08:49:30 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1A79ha-0005YP-6r; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 09:29:46 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h988TeF30409 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 09:29:40 +0100 Received: from mxout4.netvision.net.il (mxout4.netvision.net.il [194.90.9.27]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h988TZW30382 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 09:29:38 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from netvision.net.il ([217.132.178.137]) by mxout4.netvision.net.il (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.14 (built Mar 18 2003)) with ESMTPA id <0HMF001GZJL9H6@mxout4.netvision.net.il> for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 10:29:34 +0200 (IST) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 10:29:33 +0200 From: Michael Ben-Gershon Subject: Re: [softwarelist] PostScript, Text in Draw files, Iyonix, OP In-reply-to: To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Message-id: <3F83CAED.7080408@netvision.net.il> Organization: My Office MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-GB, en, he User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030703 References: Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,HAS_ORGANIZATION,IN_REP_TO, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA,X_ACCEPT_LANG autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > > I've had a report about a draw file produced in TableMate 3 not printing > correctly on Iyonix from Ovation Pro. To be precise the text was missing > when printing to PostScript. > > On my Iyonix I don't see this problem, the table prints correctly. > > I wonder if anyone has any comments? I seem to recall others have had > similar trouble in the past. I'm wondering if you still have it or what > made it go away? I had the problem, but not only with OPro. In fact, the same happens with Draw, but NOT with Impression Publisher, leading me to think the problem may lie somewhere in the Draw module (I think Publisher uses its own mechanism?). I now do a quick test on a small file I have with SPrinter, and if it fails I reboot the machine and continue from there. I have tried killing all of the printer connected modules and then restarting !Printers, but that does not help. The problem occurs with ALL printer drivers, but with the Postscript driver it is easy to spot as the output is human-redadable! I have no idea what s/w is causing it to get messed up. I have tried a few things but to no avail. I would just love to have a solution! Michael Ben-Gershon mybg@netvision.net.il -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 10 13:59:55 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1A7s9c-00014z-64-00011u."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 13:59:55 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1A7s9c-00014z-64; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 08:03:19 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1A7s9c-00014z-64; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 07:57:40 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1A7rtC-0007L5-In; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 08:40:42 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h9A7e6f05108 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 08:40:06 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h9A7dxw05060 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 08:40:01 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from south-frm.demon.co.uk ([80.177.26.219] helo=greatest) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1A7rsV-0003gf-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 08:39:59 +0100 Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 08:37:41 +0100 From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvHTML Message-ID: <089b173f4c.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> References: <7f67e73d4c.pprewett@chariot.net.au> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message of 9 Oct, David Pilling wrote: > Richard Murray writes... > You'll find OvHTML 0.38b at: > http://heyrick.squirrel-net.co.uk/software.html I took me a day to work this one out. The file to download had "/zip" at the end and I have SparkFS on my Iyonix set to handle ZIPs only. And there was no way it would unzip. But in fact this was either a spark or a tar file, as I found when I opened it fast on the RPC. Does this mean that the right strategy is to set all archive types to be active? -- Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 10 14:00:04 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1A7vPW-00021W-3g-0000E7."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 14:00:04 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1A7vPW-00021W-3g; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 11:30:40 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1A7vPW-00021W-3g; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 11:26:18 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1A7ie2-0006rt-Ou; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 22:48:26 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h99LmKs30112 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 22:48:20 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.87]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h99LmFi30051 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 22:48:16 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1A7idr-000OhL-0b for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 22:48:15 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 22:47:10 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] John Ferguson References: <7f67e73d4c.pprewett@chariot.net.au> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi I was very sad to learn tonight of the death of John Ferguson. I'd like to pay tribute to him here. Over the years he helped me a lot with developing my software. To be specific he designed almost all the templates (window designs) and icons used in my programs. John did his work in the face of great physical difficulties. I guess many people will be familiar with his helpful contributions to the various online Acorn forums. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 10 14:00:05 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1A7wRW-0000Oe-5j-0005JS."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 14:00:05 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1A7wRW-0000Oe-5j; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 12:41:32 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1A7wRW-0000Oe-5j; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 12:32:26 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1A7iU9-000381-JZ; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 22:38:13 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h99LbY522551 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 22:37:34 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h99LbSP22476 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 22:37:28 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1A7iTP-000Du4-0X for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 22:37:27 +0100 Message-ID: <7lP2XPFRTdh$Ew5W@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 22:36:17 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SparkFS on Select 3 References: <589f993e4c.peter@iyonix.earley.fourcom.com> In-Reply-To: <589f993e4c.peter@iyonix.earley.fourcom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Is it just me, or have ROL fiddled with the filetype of ZIP files? Yes. Justin decided that Zip files should have their own file type. It was a pity that at some point in the early 1990's Acorn had a panic that file types were running out. So there was no chance to register one Acorn file type for each archive format. This is why most types share type 0xDDC. There's more trouble here because two image filing systems can't use the same file type, this is why ArcFS and SparkFS give ArcFS files different types. >Appropriate Alias_RunType definitions in the SparkFS !Run and !Boot >files are needed to cope with this change. > You can make SparkFS handle files with any type. Again this was a result of the ArcFS situation, ISTR that in the !Run file (and !ReadMe) there are some notes. This is not just changing alias's - doing that will end up with SparkFS retyping the file. What I'm talking about is making SparkFS actually use another file type for a given archive type. The original plan was that Justin would issue a obey file or whatever that made this change. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 10 14:39:00 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1A7xLa-0002Ym-3a-00069w."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 14:39:00 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1A7xLa-0002Ym-3a; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 13:38:28 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1A7xLa-0002Ym-3a; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 13:30:22 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1A7xKr-0001Bc-4d; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 14:29:37 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h9ADTSF18408 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 14:29:28 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h9ADTL018366 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 14:29:22 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1A7xKb-000EMJ-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 14:29:21 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 14:27:46 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvHTML References: <7f67e73d4c.pprewett@chariot.net.au> <089b173f4c.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <089b173f4c.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >I took me a day to work this one out. The file to download had "/zip" >at the end and I have SparkFS on my Iyonix set to handle ZIPs only. >And there was no way it would unzip. But in fact this was either a >spark or a tar file, as I found when I opened it fast on the RPC. >Does this mean that the right strategy is to set all archive types to be >active? I think it is common to add .zip to spark archives on web sites, because some browsers won't offer to save the file otherwise. I'd say just load the archive modules that make life easy. I have Spark, Zip and Tar loaded. Once in a while I get caught out with a PackDir file. Although if you're on an Iyonix with 512MB of memory you might as well load the lot. I suspect the Mac module is the least useful, and I can't recall meeting a .zoo file for many years. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 10 14:59:08 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1A7xPO-0005Eg-7p-0007n4."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 14:59:08 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1A7xPO-0005Eg-7p; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 13:58:25 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1A7xPO-0005Eg-7p; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 13:34:18 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1A7hsr-000207-Qb; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 21:59:42 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h99KxE531636 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 21:59:14 +0100 Received: from scrabble.freeuk.net (scrabble.freeuk.net [212.126.144.29]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h99Kx3E31572 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 21:59:03 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from du-009-0186.freeuk.com ([212.126.152.186] helo=skiddaw) by scrabble.freeuk.net with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1A7hsD-0000Mp-6e for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 21:59:01 +0100 Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 21:58:19 +0100 From: Steve Fryatt To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SparkFS on Select 3 Message-ID: <2012dd3e4c.steve@skiddaw.stevefryatt.org.uk> References: <589f993e4c.peter@iyonix.earley.fourcom.com> In-Reply-To: <589f993e4c.peter@iyonix.earley.fourcom.com> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/4.37) POPstar/2.05 X-Editor: Zap 1.45 (06 Nov 2002), ZapEmail 0.26 (03 Nov 2002) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 9 Oct, Peter Bell wrote in message <589f993e4c.peter@iyonix.earley.fourcom.com>: > Is it just me, or have ROL fiddled with the filetype of ZIP files? It's been discussed on the Select mailing list, as have the reasons /why/ it's been done. > When reading a .zip file from CD-ROM, it now gets a RO filetype of > 'ZIP' (&a91). The mapping appears to be defined in > Resources:$.Resources.FileTypes.Types. Not surprisingly, SparkFS > doesn't know about this new filetype and won't, therefore, load the > file automatically. The solution (fix to SparkFS) has been posted here in the past and on the Select list (twice) last week. > Appropriate Alias_RunType definitions in the SparkFS !Run and !Boot > files are needed to cope with this change. -- Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/ * "It is better for your career to do nothing, than to do something and attract criticism." -- Scott Adams -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 10 15:07:13 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1A7wVh-0004OM-B5-000778."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 15:07:13 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1A7wVh-0004OM-B5; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 14:06:36 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1A7wVh-0004OM-B5; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 12:36:45 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1A7i80-0001B7-3y; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 22:15:20 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h99LFF106808 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 22:15:15 +0100 Received: from smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net (smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net [212.135.6.12]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h99LFED06790 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 22:15:14 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from tnt-12-94.easynet.co.uk ([212.134.20.94] helo=miranda.philipnet.com) by smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 1A7i7o-000M9r-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 22:15:13 +0100 Received: from philipnet.com (gromit.philipnet.com [192.168.1.33]) by miranda.philipnet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 200C92C4F6 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 22:15:03 +0100 (BST) Received: from philip by philipnet.com with local (RemoteNB 1.54) for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; 09 Oct 2003 22:14:38 +0100 Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 22:14:36 +0100 From: Philip Ludlam To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SparkFS on Select 3 Message-ID: References: <589f993e4c.peter@iyonix.earley.fourcom.com> In-Reply-To: <589f993e4c.peter@iyonix.earley.fourcom.com> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (RemoteNB/1.54) (RISC-OS/4.37) X-Sender: Philip Ludlam X-Sender-URL: http://www.philipnet.com/ X-Editor: StrongED 4.66 (stable) X-Editor-URL: http://www.stronged.iconbar.com/ X-Desktop-Utility: Director X-Desktop-Utility-URL: http://director.sourceforge.net/ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 9 Oct, in message <589f993e4c.peter@iyonix.earley.fourcom.com> Peter Bell wrote: >Is it just me, or have ROL fiddled with the filetype of ZIP files? deja vu!?!? Yours, Phil L. -- http://www.philipnet.com http://director.sourceforge.net i ou a uea i e a o ie e a o a a oue oae -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 10 15:33:27 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1A7xHW-0001gw-7B-0002IE."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 15:33:27 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1A7xHW-0001gw-7B; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 14:33:02 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1A7xHW-0001gw-7B; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 13:26:10 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1A7xHQ-0000iI-JJ; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 14:26:04 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h9ADPLq16635 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 14:25:21 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h9ADPHN16589 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 14:25:17 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1A7xGf-000L5I-0W for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 14:25:17 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 14:23:47 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] PostScript, Text in Draw files, Iyonix, OP References: <3F83CAED.7080408@netvision.net.il> In-Reply-To: <3F83CAED.7080408@netvision.net.il> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >I had the problem, but not only with OPro. In fact, the same happens with >Draw, but NOT with Impression Publisher, leading me to think the problem >may lie somewhere in the Draw module (I think Publisher uses its own >mechanism?). Thanks for that. Impression uses its own font module and its own draw module. The thought I had after reading your posting was about my stuff, FontFix, ArcFax and SpecialFX, all three involve modules that muck about with font painting calls. So I'd rmkill those three if I was having problems. (ArcFaxFix is the module). Hmm PostScript printing won't rely on a module rendering stuff, it will intercept calls before this point. So any problem will be relatively high up. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 10 16:58:10 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1A7xAJ-0006oW-9O-0005a6."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 16:58:10 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1A7xAJ-0006oW-9O; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 15:57:31 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1A7xAJ-0006oW-9O; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 13:18:43 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1A7LJT-0006mJ-QM; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 21:53:39 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h98KrK306610 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 21:53:20 +0100 Received: from mxout4.netvision.net.il (mxout4.netvision.net.il [194.90.9.27]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h98KrF006584 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 21:53:15 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from netvision.net.il ([217.132.40.182]) by mxout4.netvision.net.il (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.14 (built Mar 18 2003)) with ESMTPA id <0HMG00207I0ONY@mxout4.netvision.net.il> for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 22:53:13 +0200 (IST) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 22:53:12 +0200 From: Michael Ben-Gershon Subject: Re: [softwarelist] PostScript, Text in Draw files, Iyonix, OP In-reply-to: <20cc3b3e4c.Alan@marshall.abelgratis.net> To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Message-id: <3F847938.4090203@netvision.net.il> Organization: My Office MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-GB, en, he User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030703 References: <20cc3b3e4c.Alan@marshall.abelgratis.net> Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,HAS_ORGANIZATION,IN_REP_TO, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA,X_ACCEPT_LANG autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Alan Marshall wrote: > In message > David Pilling wrote: > > >>Hi, >> >>I've had a report about a draw file produced in TableMate 3 not printing >>correctly on Iyonix from Ovation Pro. To be precise the text was missing >>when printing to PostScript. >> >>On my Iyonix I don't see this problem, the table prints correctly. >> >>I wonder if anyone has any comments? I seem to recall others have had >>similar trouble in the past. I'm wondering if you still have it or what >>made it go away? >> >> > > > I have had the problem intermittently on the Iyonix with Fireworkz where the > legend of a graph didn't print and Enbank where only figures printed. I > haven't yet been able to find a common thread. I think it is significant that Impression Publisher (under Aemulor) does not mess up embedded Drawfiles, whereas OPro and Draw do. If Impression uses a slightly different method than other software, that must be the root of the problem. Michael Ben-Gershon mybg@netvision.net.il -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 10 17:23:24 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1A7xRs-00065i-BH-00059P."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 17:23:24 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1A7xRs-00065i-BH; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 16:22:34 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1A7xRs-00065i-BH; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 13:36:52 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1A7ckr-0001py-Lx; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 16:31:05 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h99FUe526623 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 16:30:40 +0100 Received: from mxout5.netvision.net.il (mxout5.netvision.net.il [194.90.9.29]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h99FUZW26580 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 16:30:36 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from netvision.net.il ([217.132.41.215]) by mxout5.netvision.net.il (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.14 (built Mar 18 2003)) with ESMTPA id <0HMH005FLXQYXM@mxout5.netvision.net.il> for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 17:30:34 +0200 (IST) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 17:30:33 +0200 From: Michael Ben-Gershon Subject: Re: [softwarelist] PostScript, Text in Draw files, Iyonix, OP In-reply-to: <4c3e9b2304john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Message-id: <3F857F19.60100@netvision.net.il> Organization: My Office MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-GB, en, he User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030703 References: <4c3e9b2304john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,HAS_ORGANIZATION,IN_REP_TO, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA, X_ACCEPT_LANG autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) John Cartmell wrote: > On 08 Oct, David Pilling wrote: > > >>I've had a report about a draw file produced in TableMate 3 not printing >>correctly on Iyonix from Ovation Pro. To be precise the text was missing >>when printing to PostScript. > > >>On my Iyonix I don't see this problem, the table prints correctly. > > >>I wonder if anyone has any comments? I seem to recall others have had >>similar trouble in the past. I'm wondering if you still have it or what >>made it go away? > > > Which version of Tablemate? In my experience (and I think others as well) the problem is manifested in any draw files with text areas in them. TableMate just seems to be a commonly used example of this. In addition, it is not only OPro, but also Draw itself - but NOT Impression Publisher. Michael Ben-Gershon mybg@netvision.net.il -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 10 19:11:13 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1A77RK-0000yl-9U-0002f3."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 19:11:13 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1A77RK-0000yl-9U; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 18:10:25 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1A77RK-0000yl-9U; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 06:04:50 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1A77RE-0000FN-Lt; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 07:04:44 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h9864Lc22831 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 07:04:21 +0100 Received: from colossus.systems.pipex.net (colossus.systems.pipex.net [62.241.160.73]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h9864Fe22807 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 07:04:16 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from iyonix (81-178-229-65.dsl.pipex.com [81.178.229.65]) by colossus.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F99D160007AB for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 07:04:15 +0100 (BST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Graham Jenkins To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 07:03:37 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] PostScript, Text in Draw files, Iyonix, OP Message-ID: <4c3e075284graham@gjenkins.me.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.02f (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 08 Oct, David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > I've had a report about a draw file produced in TableMate > 3 not printing correctly on Iyonix from Ovation Pro. To > be precise the text was missing when printing to > PostScript. > On my Iyonix I don't see this problem, the table prints > correctly. > I wonder if anyone has any comments? I seem to recall > others have had similar trouble in the past. I'm > wondering if you still have it or what made it go away? I find that if I modify a table using Tablemate Designer II and drop it back into OvPro and then try to print the page without quitting TableMate first then the printer file is produced but as soon as it tries to go to the printer a fatal error from OvPro occurs. Using alt/break to quit OvPro then allows the file to print. If TableMate is quit before trying to print then all works fine. Cheers - -- Graham N P Jenkins graham@gjenkins.me.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 10 21:24:18 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1A834b-0003pi-Dg-0004St."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 21:24:18 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1A834b-0003pi-Dg; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 20:23:43 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1A834b-0003pi-Dg; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 19:37:13 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1A834W-0002tG-Al; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 20:37:08 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h9AJadc30967 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 20:36:39 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.87]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h9AJaYx30940 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 20:36:34 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1A833y-0009Yn-0b for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 20:36:34 +0100 Message-ID: <1YilIkGknwh$Ewqw@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 20:35:00 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] PostScript, Text in Draw files, Iyonix, OP References: <4c3e075284graham@gjenkins.me.uk> In-Reply-To: <4c3e075284graham@gjenkins.me.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >I find that if I modify a table using Tablemate Designer II >and drop it back into OvPro and then try to print the page >without quitting TableMate first then the printer file is >produced but as soon as it tries to go to the printer a >fatal error from OvPro occurs. Using alt/break to quit OvPro >then allows the file to print. If TableMate is quit before >trying to print then all works fine. This long standing problem of yours is what makes me wary of TableMate. However on the Iyo problem, I've suggested the Draw files are run through Draw first. You see my suspicion was incorrect bounding boxes on some of the objects, this would make OP ignore them. However I now don't believe that. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 10 23:00:07 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1A85EK-0005jp-5c-0003Xy."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 23:00:07 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1A85EK-0005jp-5c; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 21:59:27 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1A85EK-0005jp-5c; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 21:55:24 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1A7HuE-0006Mt-De; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 18:15:22 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h98HFDw29722 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 18:15:13 +0100 Received: from ulva.abel.net.uk (ulva.abel.net.uk [195.72.113.6]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h98HF8O29699 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 18:15:09 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from iyonix (host213-1-26-40.webport.bt.net [213.1.26.40]) by ulva.abel.net.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id F37B33168EC for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 18:15:07 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 16:36:47 +0100 From: Alan Marshall To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] PostScript, Text in Draw files, Iyonix, OP Message-ID: <20cc3b3e4c.Alan@marshall.abelgratis.net> References: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.04-pre2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > > I've had a report about a draw file produced in TableMate 3 not printing > correctly on Iyonix from Ovation Pro. To be precise the text was missing > when printing to PostScript. > > On my Iyonix I don't see this problem, the table prints correctly. > > I wonder if anyone has any comments? I seem to recall others have had > similar trouble in the past. I'm wondering if you still have it or what > made it go away? > > I have had the problem intermittently on the Iyonix with Fireworkz where the legend of a graph didn't print and Enbank where only figures printed. I haven't yet been able to find a common thread. Regards, Alan. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Oct 11 13:28:45 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1A7tIG-0004wC-Cm-0005ab."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 11 Oct 2003 13:28:45 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1A7tIG-0004wC-Cm; Sat, 11 Oct 2003 02:33:46 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1A7tIG-0004wC-Cm; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 09:10:40 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1A7LWp-0000Ec-Ez; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 22:07:27 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h98L7ER11424 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 22:07:14 +0100 Received: from smtp08.wxs.nl (smtp08.wxs.nl [195.121.6.40]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h98L7B611407 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 22:07:11 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from me (ip51cc4b49.speed.planet.nl [81.204.75.73]) by smtp08.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.14 (built Mar 18 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HMG006P4ILPNK@smtp08.wxs.nl> for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 23:05:50 +0200 (MEST) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 23:08:13 +0200 From: Paul Sprangers Subject: [softwarelist] PostScript, Text in Draw files, Iyonix, OP In-reply-to: <3F83CAED.7080408@netvision.net.il> To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Message-id: <4c3e5a242fpaul@delink.nl> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.04-pre2 References: <3F83CAED.7080408@netvision.net.il> Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Michael Ben-Gershon wrote: > In fact, the same happens with Draw That is my experience too. As long as text is not converted to paths, text in drawfiles is ignored, when printed through Ovation. Importing the drawfile into Artworks and save it as an Artworks file (and using that file rather than the original drawfile) cures the problem. But I agree with Micheal that it is probably Draw module related, not necessarily Ovation. The Iyonix mailing list hasn't given any solution, until now. Kind regards, Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Oct 11 13:28:57 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1A82tG-0004VQ-BO-0004bC."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 11 Oct 2003 13:28:57 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1A82tG-0004VQ-BO; Sat, 11 Oct 2003 02:11:43 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1A82tG-0004VQ-BO; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 19:25:30 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1A7MFU-0006Q0-0N; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 22:53:36 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h98LrGm25370 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 22:53:16 +0100 Received: from smtpq3.home.nl (smtpq3.home.nl [213.51.128.198]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h98Lr7D25334 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 22:53:08 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [213.51.128.135] (port=44409 helo=smtp4.home.nl) by smtpq3.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7MF0-00079N-Tm for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 23:53:06 +0200 Received: from cp418204-a.dbsch1.nb.home.nl ([217.123.44.165]:55545 helo=padua) by smtp4.home.nl with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A7MF0-0006Tp-5d for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 23:53:06 +0200 Message-ID: <003101c38d25$ebc41b30$6502a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: References: <20cc3b3e4c.Alan@marshall.abelgratis.net> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] PostScript, Text in Draw files, Iyonix, OP Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 23:54:02 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-AtHome-MailScanner-Information: Neem contact op met support@home.nl voor meer informatie X-AtHome-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,DATE_IN_PAST_12_24,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Wednesday, October 08, 2003 4:36 PM, Alan Marshall wrote: > In message > David Pilling wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I've had a report about a draw file produced in TableMate 3 not >> printing correctly on Iyonix from Ovation Pro. To be precise the >> text was missing when printing to PostScript. >> >> On my Iyonix I don't see this problem, the table prints correctly. >> >> I wonder if anyone has any comments? I seem to recall others have had >> similar trouble in the past. I'm wondering if you still have it or >> what made it go away? >> >> > > I have had the problem intermittently on the Iyonix with Fireworkz > where the legend of a graph didn't print and Enbank where only > figures printed. I haven't yet been able to find a common thread. > Not any experience with Iyonix. Only Risc PC. But, I also had troubles with text in embedded DrawFiles, when the fonts used in the DrawFiles were NOT used in the main document. It didn't matter which program had produced the DrawFile. Text areas instead of text objects (can) cause different behaviour. Only as an example: Easiwriter doesn't need the use of fonts in the main text to send fonts-only-used in text objects and text areas in DrawFiles, embedded in Easiwriter. Fireworkz does need them. Surely, when the fonts are used in text-areas. Again, without using the font in one of the main text frames, even in Impression I had trouble with DrawFiles with e.g. a RISC OS font, that was *mapped* to Zapf Dingbats. In case of mapping, even Type3 description isn't in the PostScript file. Maybe related, maybe not. Maybe even not relevant for current OP & Iyonix. Tonnie -- Mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Oct 11 13:28:59 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1A83CX-0006TH-Ec-0002ZC."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 11 Oct 2003 13:28:59 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1A83CX-0006TH-Ec; Sat, 11 Oct 2003 08:18:11 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1A83CX-0006TH-Ec; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 19:45:25 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1A7NAe-0005cI-3s; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 23:52:40 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h98MpuW10170 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 23:51:56 +0100 Received: from mxout3.netvision.net.il (mxout3.netvision.net.il [194.90.9.24]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h98Mpf910106 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 23:51:42 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from netvision.net.il ([217.132.54.92]) by mxout3.netvision.net.il (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.14 (built Mar 18 2003)) with ESMTPA id <0HMG0070INI3TQ@mxout3.netvision.net.il> for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 00:51:40 +0200 (IST) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 00:51:39 +0200 From: Michael Ben-Gershon Subject: Re: [softwarelist] PostScript, Text in Draw files, Iyonix, OP In-reply-to: <003101c38d25$ebc41b30$6502a8c0@padua> To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Message-id: <3F8494FB.1060805@netvision.net.il> Organization: My Office MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-GB, en, he User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030703 References: <20cc3b3e4c.Alan@marshall.abelgratis.net> <003101c38d25$ebc41b30$6502a8c0@padua> Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,HAS_ORGANIZATION,IN_REP_TO, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA, X_ACCEPT_LANG autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Tonnie Demarteau wrote: > On Wednesday, October 08, 2003 4:36 PM, > Alan Marshall wrote: > > >>In message >> David Pilling wrote: >> >> >>>Hi, >>> >>>I've had a report about a draw file produced in TableMate 3 not >>>printing correctly on Iyonix from Ovation Pro. To be precise the >>>text was missing when printing to PostScript. >>> >>>On my Iyonix I don't see this problem, the table prints correctly. >>> >>>I wonder if anyone has any comments? I seem to recall others have had >>>similar trouble in the past. I'm wondering if you still have it or >>>what made it go away? >>> >>> >> >>I have had the problem intermittently on the Iyonix with Fireworkz >>where the legend of a graph didn't print and Enbank where only >>figures printed. I haven't yet been able to find a common thread. >> > > > Not any experience with Iyonix. Only Risc PC. I NEVER had this problem with the Risc PC (with or without Select) only with the Iyonix. Michael Ben-Gershon mybg@netvision.net.il -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Oct 11 13:29:18 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1A8F38-0004iS-9X-0004ls."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 11 Oct 2003 13:29:18 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1A8F38-0004iS-9X; Sat, 11 Oct 2003 08:24:33 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1A8F38-0004iS-9X; Sat, 11 Oct 2003 08:24:30 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1A8F31-0001ie-Hj; Sat, 11 Oct 2003 09:24:23 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h9B8NoH07155 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 11 Oct 2003 09:23:50 +0100 Received: from cmailg5.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg5.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.175]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h9B8NjF07131 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2003 09:23:45 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from user-1158.bbd12tcl.dsl.pol.co.uk ([81.77.156.134] helo=[10.0.12.24]) by cmailg5.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1A8F2O-0000Ue-FI for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 11 Oct 2003 09:23:44 +0100 Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 09:23:49 +0100 From: David Williams To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] OvnPro PC lines Message-ID: Mail-Followup-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Gemini/1.24 (Windows-XP) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi I've found 2 problems with drawing lines on the PC version of OvationPro. On W98 machines the lines appear to draw ok ie. the line points are visible but when I complete the line it disappears - changing line width/colour makes no difference. On XP the lines draw ok but I can't change the end cap ie its properties change but not its appearance. Any ideas. Dave Williams -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 14 19:18:48 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1A8J0Y-0005t0-5j-000305."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 19:18:48 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1A8J0Y-0005t0-5j; Sat, 11 Oct 2003 15:58:30 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1A8J0Y-0005t0-5j; Sat, 11 Oct 2003 12:38:06 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1A8J0Q-0001vy-PK; Sat, 11 Oct 2003 13:37:58 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h9BCbYc18276 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 11 Oct 2003 13:37:34 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h9BCbQ618236 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2003 13:37:26 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1A8Izt-0001cn-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 11 Oct 2003 13:37:25 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 13:36:16 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvnPro PC lines References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >I've found 2 problems with drawing lines on the PC version of OvationPro. On >W98 machines the lines appear to draw ok ie. the line points are visible but >when I complete the line it disappears - changing line width/colour makes no >difference. Sounds like a bug. > >On XP the lines draw ok but I can't change the end cap ie its properties >change but not its appearance. This is something which is not yet implemented, Windows just doesn't provide the same line drawing facilities which RISC OS does, no caps, no dash patterns. To finish things off I will have to write that code myself. (usual chorus of "you wonder what MS has done with the money", if they can't provide such simple features). -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 14 19:18:55 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1A8M6Z-00072M-Fb-00016v."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 19:18:55 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1A8M6Z-00072M-Fb; Sat, 11 Oct 2003 16:02:56 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1A8M6Z-00072M-Fb; Sat, 11 Oct 2003 15:56:31 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1A8M6L-0007f1-Nl; Sat, 11 Oct 2003 16:56:17 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h9BFu0N08817 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 11 Oct 2003 16:56:00 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.87]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h9BFtsa08788 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2003 16:55:54 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1A8M5x-000DB2-0b for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 11 Oct 2003 16:55:53 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 16:54:40 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] PostScript, Text in Draw files, Iyonix, OP References: <20cc3b3e4c.Alan@marshall.abelgratis.net> <003101c38d25$ebc41b30$6502a8c0@padua> <3F8494FB.1060805@netvision.net.il> In-Reply-To: <3F8494FB.1060805@netvision.net.il> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,IN_REP_TO,MAILTO_TO_REMOVE,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >From: "R. Simpson" In message <4c3e9b2304john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> John Cartmell wrote: > On 08 Oct, David Pilling wrote: > > > I've had a report about a draw file produced in TableMate 3 not printing > > correctly on Iyonix from Ovation Pro. To be precise the text was missing > > when printing to PostScript. > > > On my Iyonix I don't see this problem, the table prints correctly. > > > I wonder if anyone has any comments? I seem to recall others have had > > similar trouble in the past. I'm wondering if you still have it or what > > made it go away? > > Which version of Tablemate? > Hi, Slightly off topic. 5.01e always crashes the machine (StrongArm, select 3 (before and after select)) if it is on the icon bar and then I try to print from other applications. I often construct a table and export to Draw to print (it means I can position it on the page better and add headings, etc) If I quit tablemate before printing I have no problem. Irritating because I sometimes forget. Crashes range from an error box which can be worked around using 'alt-break' to a full crash requiring the reset button at the back. Is there a leter version? If so, where can I get it? Cheers, Bob. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 14 19:21:02 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1A9KWs-0003BK-8C-0007iI."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 19:21:02 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1A9KWs-0003BK-8C; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 08:31:00 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1A9KWs-0003BK-8C; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 08:27:42 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1A9KWQ-0005N8-Tn; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 09:27:14 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h9E8QFW13636 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 09:26:15 +0100 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.188]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h9E8Q6013559 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 09:26:06 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.208] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1A9KVJ-0001XO-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 10:26:05 +0200 Received: from [172.176.172.88] (helo=bach) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1A9KVH-0005zi-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 10:26:03 +0200 Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 10:19:48 +0200 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] PostScript, Text in Draw files, Iyonix, OP Message-ID: <69ce2a414c.martin@mw-software.com> References: <20cc3b3e4c.Alan@marshall.abelgratis.net> <3F847938.4090203@netvision.net.il> In-Reply-To: <3F847938.4090203@netvision.net.il> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.70a (MsgServe/2.10) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <3F847938.4090203@netvision.net.il> Michael Ben-Gershon wrote: > I think it is significant that Impression Publisher (under Aemulor) does > not mess up embedded Drawfiles, whereas OPro and Draw do. Draw? You mean printing Draw files from Draw goes wrong? Can you send me a file that shows this? > If Impression uses a slightly different method than other software, that > must be the root of the problem. "Slightly different"? Yes, very much so. Impression has its own Draw file scanning and rendering routines while almost all other software uses the DrawFile module provided by the OS to render Draw files. To give you an idea what is going wrong: When printing to PostScript applications have to declare all the fonts used in the document they are going to print when starting printing. The symptoms of fonts not printing shows that most probably they were not declared by the application. Of course, it is relatively straightforward for each application to find out which fonts are used in its own documents, but all the fonts used in embedded diagrams need to be declared as well. Therefore, the DrawFile modules offers a facility to enumerate the fonts used in a Draw file. So, if things go wrong, either the application has not used this facility to find out the fonts used in the Draw file or there is a bug in said facility that means that not all fonts are enumerated. In either case, any fonts that are used in the main document as well will still print correctly because the application declares them. Impression has its own code for scanning Draw files. As far as I can tell, OPro also has its own code for rendering Draw files (otherwise it could not render rotated JPEGs in Draw files, which is a rather advanced and rarely noticed thing it does). However, I suspect that OPro still uses the DrawFile module to enumerate the fonts used in the Draw file. So, a bug in the DrawFile module in ROM would explain the problem. However, since David could not reproduce the problem with the same Draw file, it is more likely that some other software interferes. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 14 19:21:04 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1A9KmH-00056J-6N-0004tl."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 19:21:04 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1A9KmH-00056J-6N; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 09:42:31 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1A9KmH-00056J-6N; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 08:43:38 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1A9KWQ-0005N1-16; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 09:27:14 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h9E8QOv13657 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 09:26:24 +0100 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.188]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h9E8Q6L13561 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 09:26:07 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.208] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1A9KVK-0001Xe-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 10:26:06 +0200 Received: from [172.176.172.88] (helo=bach) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1A9KVJ-0005zi-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 10:26:06 +0200 Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 10:25:37 +0200 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] PostScript, Text in Draw files, Iyonix, OP Message-ID: References: <3F83CAED.7080408@netvision.net.il> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.70a (MsgServe/2.10) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message David Pilling wrote: > >I had the problem, but not only with OPro. In fact, the same happens with > >Draw, but NOT with Impression Publisher, leading me to think the problem > >may lie somewhere in the Draw module (I think Publisher uses its own > >mechanism?). > > Thanks for that. > > Impression uses its own font module and its own draw module. Not quite. Impression uses the FontManager. The "FontDraw" module is only used under RISC OS 2, and all it does is provide the facility to convert an outline font text to a Draw structure. Impression uses its own Draw module (called GDraw), but this is not relevant here. We are talking about interpreting a Draw file, which is what the *DrawFile* module does, not about rendering filled and stroked paths (which is what the Draw module does). But it is true that Impression uses its own code to do the things that the DrawFile module does. This happens for various reasons, most importantly DrawFile only became available long after Impression was written. And secondly, the clipping Impression does for graphics frames only works if its own Draw module is used and DrawFile obviously uses the system's Draw module. > Hmm PostScript printing won't rely on a module rendering stuff, it will > intercept calls before this point. So any problem will be relatively > high up. I think, it must be a font declaration problem. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 14 19:21:09 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1A9O9f-0000Eb-5W-0000JA."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 19:21:09 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1A9O9f-0000Eb-5W; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 12:20:03 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1A9O9f-0000Eb-5W; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 12:20:00 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1A9O9E-0003EI-Cr; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 13:19:32 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h9ECJIV07033 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 13:19:18 +0100 Received: from moomin.torch.net (moomin.inbusiness.net [212.50.161.83]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h9ECJHg07023 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 13:19:17 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: (qmail 87184 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2003 12:15:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO SONYLAPTOP) ([213.249.153.129]) (envelope-sender ) by -v (qmail-1.03) with SMTP for ; 14 Oct 2003 12:15:01 -0000 From: "Ian" To: Subject: RE: [softwarelist] White Line between Thumbnails Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 13:19:16 +0100 Message-ID: <001001c3924d$62d9e4d0$0110100a@SONYLAPTOP> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 In-Reply-To: <69ce2a414c.martin@mw-software.com> Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, Does anyone know how to get rid of the thin white line that appears between thumbnails. I have a solid banner appearing at the top of a page which bleeds off on either side. The page is A4 and I need to print it two up on A3 for running off on my colour Laser. If I set up for automatic thumbnails it prints 2 on page provided I turn off bleed. If I manually set up thumbnails with 0mm x margin, it does exactly the same, even if I do a negative x margin If I tick to use bleed, it does something really weird, which amounts to putting one page partly over the top of the other one I think rather than cropping off a bit on either side where they butt up as it should do. I have the same problem when doing business cards, which result in me always having to manually lay out 10 on a page or whatever, as tick marks also completely muck up thumbnails. Does anyone have any suggestions? Thanks Ian _ _ _ _ |_|_|_|_| Post: Concorde House, Trinity Park, Solihull B37 7UQ |_|_|_|_| Phone: 0121 635 5020 |_|_|_|_| Email: ian@realpoint.co.uk |_|_|_|_| Web: http://www.realpoint.co.uk Real Point -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 14 21:08:32 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1A9V0k-0007jU-Aq-000325."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 21:08:32 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1A9V0k-0007jU-Aq; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 20:07:39 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1A9V0k-0007jU-Aq; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 19:39:14 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1A9V0M-0000OO-3S; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 20:38:50 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h9EJcQr05301 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 20:38:26 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h9EJcH905188 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 20:38:17 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1A9Uzo-000NNl-0Y for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 20:38:16 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 20:36:50 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] PostScript, Text in Draw files, Iyonix, OP References: <20cc3b3e4c.Alan@marshall.abelgratis.net> <3F847938.4090203@netvision.net.il> <69ce2a414c.martin@mw-software.com> In-Reply-To: <69ce2a414c.martin@mw-software.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, > "Slightly different"? Yes, very much so. Impression has its own >Draw file scanning and rendering routines while almost all other software >uses the DrawFile module provided by the OS to render Draw files. OP uses its own code too... >rarely noticed thing it does). However, I suspect that OPro still uses the >DrawFile module to enumerate the fonts used in the Draw file. No. >So, a bug in the DrawFile module in ROM would explain the problem. >However, since David could not reproduce the problem with the same Draw >file, it is more likely that some other software interferes. Yes the two key points are; (1) MBG says this happens on bit map printers as well as PS, so any odd stuff about declaring fonts is not the solution. (2) An identical file does not show the problem on my machine. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 14 22:44:09 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1A9V3Y-0003U4-Bb-00015i."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 22:44:09 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1A9V3Y-0003U4-Bb; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 21:40:58 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1A9V3Y-0003U4-Bb; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 19:42:08 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1A9V3K-0001MA-SI; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 20:41:54 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h9EJfik06348 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 20:41:44 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h9EJfdI06329 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 20:41:39 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1A9V35-000Buz-0V for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 20:41:39 +0100 Message-ID: <$9F3xBExEFj$EwIh@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 20:40:33 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] White Line between Thumbnails References: <69ce2a414c.martin@mw-software.com> <001001c3924d$62d9e4d0$0110100a@SONYLAPTOP> In-Reply-To: <001001c3924d$62d9e4d0$0110100a@SONYLAPTOP> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Does anyone know how to get rid of the thin white line that appears >between thumbnails. The way you put it, it sounds like a bug, a single pixel error between clipping rectangles. I wonder if it shows up on different printer drivers. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Oct 15 14:09:20 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1A9Vpc-0001fj-9g-0003B9."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 14:09:20 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1A9Vpc-0001fj-9g; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 04:31:30 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1A9Vpc-0001fj-9g; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 20:31:48 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1A9VpH-0001LP-Fq; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 21:31:27 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h9EKUxY22294 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 21:30:59 +0100 Received: from mxout4.netvision.net.il (mxout4.netvision.net.il [194.90.9.27]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h9EKUro22262 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 21:30:53 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from netvision.net.il ([217.132.174.36]) by mxout4.netvision.net.il (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.14 (built Mar 18 2003)) with ESMTPA id <0HMR00GO9KZFNI@mxout4.netvision.net.il> for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 22:30:52 +0200 (IST) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 22:30:51 +0200 From: Michael Ben-Gershon Subject: Re: [softwarelist] PostScript, Text in Draw files, Iyonix, OP In-reply-to: To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Message-id: <3F8C5CFB.6010303@netvision.net.il> Organization: My Office MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-GB, en, he User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030703 References: <20cc3b3e4c.Alan@marshall.abelgratis.net> <3F847938.4090203@netvision.net.il> <69ce2a414c.martin@mw-software.com> Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,HAS_ORGANIZATION,IN_REP_TO, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA,X_ACCEPT_LANG autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > >> "Slightly different"? Yes, very much so. Impression has its own >> Draw file scanning and rendering routines while almost all other software >> uses the DrawFile module provided by the OS to render Draw files. > > > OP uses its own code too... > >> rarely noticed thing it does). However, I suspect that OPro still uses >> the >> DrawFile module to enumerate the fonts used in the Draw file. > > > No. > >> So, a bug in the DrawFile module in ROM would explain the problem. >> However, since David could not reproduce the problem with the same Draw >> file, it is more likely that some other software interferes. > > > Yes the two key points are; > > (1) MBG says this happens on bit map printers as well as PS, so any odd > stuff about declaring fonts is not the solution. > (2) An identical file does not show the problem on my machine. Nor does it happen initially (clean startup) on my machine. However, it does happen at some time, and I cannot find out what it is that causes it to start. Michael Ben-Gershon mybg@netvision.net.il -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Oct 15 16:29:15 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1A9lOQ-0007et-EU-0002Eu."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 16:29:15 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1A9lOQ-0007et-EU; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 15:19:39 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1A9lOQ-0007et-EU; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 13:08:46 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1A9lOC-0000WP-Op; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 14:08:32 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h9FD8RZ29714 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 14:08:27 +0100 Received: from bryans.org (www.bryans.org [195.149.46.231]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with SMTP id h9FD8Pg29700 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 14:08:25 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: (qmail 18058 invoked by uid 1000); 15 Oct 2003 13:08:20 -0000 Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 14:08:20 +0100 From: Toby Bryans To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvPro and Ligatures by email Message-ID: <20031015130820.GK15034@elephant.localnet> Mail-Followup-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net References: <0f2278414c.martin@mw-software.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="S6vg04ofUPzW4qJg" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,PGP_SIGNATURE_2, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, USER_AGENT_MUTT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) --S6vg04ofUPzW4qJg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Oct 15, 2003 at 12:23:45PM +0100, Robin Phillips wrote: > This is really most interesting. Is the "standard Western European Windo= ws > code page" anything to do with Unicode? My son tells me that Unicode is > being developed as the answer to these problems of "top-bit characters".= =20 > When is the project to establish a standard likely to bear fruit? A good (if technical later on) introduction to Unicode is here: http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/Unicode.html I am, however, unaware of the current state of Unicode in RISC OS because t= he last time I seriously looked at Unicode on RISC OS was _some_ time ago... Regards, --=20 T./ | web : http://www.bryans.org/toby/ | key : http://www.bryans.org/toby/keys/bryans.txt | fun : http://www.elesoc.org/ --S6vg04ofUPzW4qJg Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE/jUbDbIZI26hw8YARAvamAJ9i74JZ1XF46KasbODsmIawmGFx5ACfUlFm QxTXW6fLh8P8IUGotxiAAik= =meZK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --S6vg04ofUPzW4qJg-- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Oct 15 16:29:17 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1A9mqP-0006tn-73-0002es."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 16:29:17 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1A9mqP-0006tn-73; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 15:19:41 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1A9mqP-0006tn-73; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 14:41:45 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1A9mpU-0001RH-R7; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 15:40:48 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h9FEeSx03207 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 15:40:29 +0100 Received: from zathras.greatmachine.org (draal.ux.his.no [152.94.1.222]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h9FEeH903110 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 15:40:17 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from gorina14.ux.his.no (gorina14.ux.his.no [152.94.1.54]) by zathras.greatmachine.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4197CA1541 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 16:39:45 +0200 (DST) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 16:40:11 +0200 (METDST) From: Ketil Kristiansen X-X-Sender: ketil-k@gorina14.ux.his.no To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvPro and Ligatures by email In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT_PINE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Wed, 15 Oct 2003, Robin Phillips wrote: > Dear colleagues, > > In message <0f2278414c.martin@mw-software.com> > Martin Wuerthner wrote: > > > The way to send ligatures to Windows users is to convert your text from > > Acorn Latin-1 to the standard Western European Windows code page (there > > must be a conversion utility around somewhere) .... > > This is really most interesting. Is the "standard Western European Windows > code page" anything to do with Unicode? No, the "standard Western European Windows code page" is windows code page 1252, if I remember correctly. Like Acorn Latin-1 it's similar to ISO-8859-1 (the real "Latin 1" character set), none of which have anything to do with Unicode. Like Acorn Latin-1, windows CP 1252 adds its own selection of characters to the set defined in ISO-8859-1 > My son tells me that Unicode is > being developed as the answer to these problems of "top-bit characters". > When is the project to establish a standard likely to bear fruit? When everyone rewrite their applications to handle Unicode - i all its glory and horror. The "problem" with unicode is that unlike the character sets we're used to, unicode can be encoded in various ways, and handling all the forms of Unicode in programs is not as straightforward as ordinary, old-fashioned character sets. Support *is* spreading, and e.g. Red Hat 9 Linux defaults to using utf-8 (an encoding scheme where characters take up one byte, most of the time) - in the applications that support it at least. I'm not sure what the state of affairs is for windows, or RISC OS for that matter. To solve your problem however, you will need to find a utility to convert between character sets. The only such utility I can think of right now is iconv, part of the GNU iconv library distribution. Don't know if it has been ported to RISC OS though, and even if it has I don't think it knows about Acorn Latin-1... in other words, your best hope is that a RISC OS programmer has made a Acorn-to-Windows character set converter. oh... correction: just found out that iconv *does* know about Acorn Latin-1 (or RISCOS-LATIN1 as it calls it) ... hope this wasn't totally unintelligible. Best regards, -K -- "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." - Philip K. Dick -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Oct 15 17:49:19 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1A9lBD-0004t8-Cc-0006Nr."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 17:49:19 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1A9lBD-0004t8-Cc; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 16:45:35 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1A9lBD-0004t8-Cc; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 12:55:08 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1A9lB2-0004te-Na; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 13:54:56 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h9FCsLP23810 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 13:54:21 +0100 Received: from cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.174]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h9FCsFN23763 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 13:54:15 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from modem-107.dextromethorphn.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.90.235] helo=localhost) by cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.14) id 1A9lAL-0005ZB-OJ; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 13:54:14 +0100 Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 12:23:45 +0100 From: Robin Phillips To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvPro and Ligatures by email Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <0f2278414c.martin@mw-software.com> X-Organization: home X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.68 User-Agent: POPstar/2.03 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Dear colleagues, In message <0f2278414c.martin@mw-software.com> Martin Wuerthner wrote: > In message > wildtime@argonet.co.uk (Tim Rickard) wrote: > > > Even though the plain text version and the Word doc looked perfect > > before they were sent out by Voyager's email, when they were translated > > the other end, all the ligatures were converted to create a series of > > embarassing spelling mistakes. Fl and fi appeared as a 'z' or a 'y' in > > the document received by my clients. The recipients were using Outlook > > Express and Lotus Notes for email and neither picked up the ligatures > > correctly. But then, why should they? > > Exactly. The e-mail you sent used an encoding that does not have a > representation for ligatures, so this is not a surprise. > > Your text was originally encoded using Acorn Latin-1, which supports > ligatures. Your recipients use a Windows code page that supports > ligatures, but they are in different places in the encoding. Your e-mail > was encoded using ISO Latin-1, which does not support ligatures at all. > > The way to send ligatures to Windows users is to convert your text from > Acorn Latin-1 to the standard Western European Windows code page (there > must be a conversion utility around somewhere) .... This is really most interesting. Is the "standard Western European Windows code page" anything to do with Unicode? My son tells me that Unicode is being developed as the answer to these problems of "top-bit characters". When is the project to establish a standard likely to bear fruit? > > Martin -- Robin Phillips, Beeston, Notts., NG9 1BT Phone: 0115 922 4930 http://www.beeston12.freeserve.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Oct 15 18:59:22 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1A9o86-0001vo-3J-0002gz."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 18:59:22 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1A9o86-0001vo-3J; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 17:58:50 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1A9o86-0001vo-3J; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 16:04:06 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1A9o7Z-0005XH-4y; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 17:03:33 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h9FG3OX05444 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 17:03:24 +0100 Received: from sally.dts-online.net (sally.dts-online.net [212.62.68.35]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h9FG3NT05436 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 17:03:23 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from uff411.ucs.de (213-182-117-60.teleos-web.de [213.182.117.60]) by sally.dts-online.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 5CC972CA265 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 18:03:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: from kaskaskia.ucs.de ([192.168.202.184]) by uff411.ucs.de; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 18:04:11 +0200 Received: from martinv by kaskaskia.ucs.de with local (RemoteNB 1.53beta2) for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; 15 Oct 2003 18:03:15 +0200 Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 18:03:14 +0200 From: Martin Vethake To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvPro and Ligatures by email Message-ID: <0912d9414c.martinv@kaskaskia.ucs.de> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: U C S User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60 (RemoteNB/1.53beta2) (RISC-OS/3.70) X-Editor: Zap 1.45 (06 Nov 2002), ZapEmail 0.26 (03 Nov 2002) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message you wrote: [snip] > To solve your problem however, you will need to find a utility to convert > between character sets. The only such utility I can think of right > now is iconv, part of the GNU iconv library distribution. Don't know if it > has been ported to RISC OS though, and even if it has I don't think it > knows about Acorn Latin-1... in other words, your best hope is that a RISC > OS programmer has made a Acorn-to-Windows character set converter. > I happen to have a RISC OS utility sitting on my HD called !Byte2Byte by Thorsten Koose which does just this *and* can be programmed to learn new charsets as well. Anyone who wants it drop me an eMail... Regards -- Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Oct 16 13:29:00 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1A9V1f-00018C-Cg-0007My."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 13:29:00 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1A9V1f-00018C-Cg; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 06:37:11 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1A9V1f-00018C-Cg; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 19:40:11 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1A9V1G-0000fv-M4; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 20:39:46 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h9EJdgI05714 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 20:39:42 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h9EJdbI05694 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 20:39:38 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1A9V17-000Bnj-0V for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 20:39:37 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 20:38:12 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] PostScript, Text in Draw files, Iyonix, OP References: <3F83CAED.7080408@netvision.net.il> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Not quite. Impression uses the FontManager. The "FontDraw" module is only >used under RISC OS 2, and all it does is provide the facility to convert >an outline font text to a Draw structure. Yes sorry, I was getting confused with CC's printer drivers which seem to have their own font manager. >I think, it must be a font declaration problem. But as I just said, happens on bit map drivers, no font declaration... -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Oct 16 14:18:54 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1A9phh-0006mL-4P-0001Ev."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 14:18:54 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1A9phh-0006mL-4P; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 13:15:06 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1A9phh-0006mL-4P; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 17:44:57 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1A9phd-0007MO-JE; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 18:44:53 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h9FHidY09081 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 18:44:39 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h9FHiVG09040 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 18:44:32 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1A9phH-000HPy-0X for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 18:44:31 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 18:43:28 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] OvHTML v0.40 References: <0f2278414c.martin@mw-software.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,HTML_00_10,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) OvHTML v0.40 ============ http://heyrick.squirrel-net.co.uk/software.html This note describes what is new in OvHTML 0.40. For specifics on anything covered here (reasons why, etc), download the v0.40 archive and read the Versions file. Sometimes a document would appear with a black background, black text, and all the links in black; yet it looks okay in Fresco! FIXED! When using relative, OvHTML type 5's... FIXED! Upon trying to load an HTML document, there is an 'unknown object at ', which usually turns out to be a reference to COL_025 (which is undefined)! FIXED! There a bunch of "(user-dflt)" colours, with odd numbers like '-2', and they are almost always black. FIXED! OvHTML defines "(browser) white", while it already has a "white" colour. FIXED! When exporting as HTML, my computer freezes solid! Please, PLEASE upgrade! Don't use v0.36g to export HTML. v0.36h and later have the bug fixed. One bug report I have suggested that the reset button didn't work either, it required a complete switch-off to restore normality. I really don't understand that, as RST is a hardware kick-in-the-butt that should always bring the machine back to a usable state. He did not mention what computer or OS he was using, all I'll say is if somehow the RST no longer works as it should, more fool the system designer and/or programmer(s) responsible for such a thing. As a side note: My Compaq doesn't have a reset button. Can you /imagine/ a PC with no reset button? Yikes! The exporter now includes a "style stack" (at this point, you're all supposed to go 'oooooh!' like on the lottery program) which records the order that effects are set, so they can be unset in the reverse order (go 'ooooh!' again). There is an expert key (SHIFT) to create a stricter output, where the ligatures will be converted to plain form, and font faces omitted. This will allow a document with only ISO characters (ie, not 128-159) to actually pass an sgmls test (go 'ooooh!' again). Image export now works (don't bother going 'ooooh!', it should have worked the first time around...). Another export option for sparse/terse output - less META tags. Don't bother with 'oooh'ing here, it was easy to do. Hold CTRL for this. And, finally, this MAY be my last release before halloween, so go 'oooooh!' lots of times, and think of me as I delicately insert a 500W floodlight into a carved pumpkin. Oh yes. Some people have mentioned about a version of Scripter for DOS. Don't worry, I'm not selling out on you despite that AND a Ground Control/Octopus Systems teletext receiver program for DOS. I have a crappy laptop that I can use for those simple little things, so I have written some code to assist me. Remember, these are 16bit DOS applications. There is a VideoList data file viewer written in Visual Basic 5, but I like VB even less than I like that stupid near/far rubbish in the C compiler. You know what? I 'contracted' the Tai-Pan virus a few weeks back, and after a few Googles showed me nothing useful, I decided to code my own Tai-Pan innoculator. Oh my god! All that utter CS:IP rubbish, or SS:SP? I laugh when I think of a new PC supporting that, it's like an XScale with built-in 6502 compatibility! Anyway, Scripter for DOS will be available soon. I just want to write some effective-looking legal-mumble because I have a much lower opinion of the sort of people that *choose* to use Windows PCs. Recall, if you will, that Cher song - gypsies tramps and... :-) Teletext for DOS is available now, URL as above. Do you have an OvHTML wishlist? Let me know. Do you use Scripter? Would you ever? Talk to me, people... :-) PS: For the purposes of international export, I would like to declare OvHTML a "Weapon Of Extremely Minimal Destruction But It Is Fun To Watch Anyway" just so some humour-deprived idiot has to write all those initals down in the right order ("WOEMDBIIFTWA" - anybody want to try pronouncing it?)......that, and as a petty revenge against the stupid s for their behaviour (or lack, thereof) towards Philip Zimmerman. -- Richard Murray -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Oct 16 15:28:57 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AA6XP-0006y0-EA-0004v4."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 15:28:57 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AA6XP-0006y0-EA; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 14:28:10 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AA6XP-0006y0-EA; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:43:28 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AA6Wo-0000O1-K9; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 12:42:50 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h9GBghv29419 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 12:42:43 +0100 Received: from smtp01.wxs.nl (smtp01.wxs.nl [195.121.6.61]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h9GBggV29403 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 12:42:42 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from me (ip51cc4b49.speed.planet.nl [81.204.75.73]) by smtp01.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.14 (built Mar 18 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HMU00A16LV5ZW@smtp01.wxs.nl> for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 13:42:41 +0200 (MEST) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 13:42:52 +0200 From: Paul Sprangers Subject: [softwarelist] Disappearing image processing options? In-reply-to: <4c423800c8barry@e-allen.co.uk> To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Message-id: <4c42451174paul@delink.nl> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.04-pre2 References: <4c423800c8barry@e-allen.co.uk> Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > I'm sure that I can remember being able to process images within Ovation > Pro but the option seems to have disappeared. > Is my memory playing tricks on me? I suppose so, as you apparently forgot where you've put the manual. But here is the trick: be sure that you have selected an image first (!), and then you will find the option Pictures in the main menu, and the option Process... in the submenu. Kind regards, Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Oct 16 18:09:05 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AAAZ6-0002iR-I7-0004pW."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 18:09:05 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AAAZ6-0002iR-I7; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 17:00:01 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AAAZ6-0002iR-I7; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 16:01:28 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AAAYv-0000wN-37; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 17:01:17 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h9GG17B06372 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 17:01:08 +0100 Received: from mailout.zetnet.co.uk (mailout.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.47.231]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h9GG12i06314 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 17:01:02 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from bts-0679.dialup.zetnet.co.uk ([194.247.50.167] helo=zetnet.co.uk) by mailout.zetnet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1AAAYf-00047R-00 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 17:01:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Michael M Martin To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 16:42:36 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro Message-ID: <4c425b043cmmartin@zetnet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.04) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Have a problem with Ovation Pro when I load it onto the iconbar and then click on it to open a page up, the background colour of the page is in Green. If I go into the menu on the iconbar and click on new document the background colour is set to green, I can change the green to a white background then I will get a page what is white what I would expect. But how do I get it to keep a white background so the next time I load it and open a new document that the colour of the page will be white and not green. I have tried saving it by going into the choices and clicking save in there but still get the green background the next time I fire it up. Best Regards, Mick -- |^^^^ Michael Martin ^^^^^ mmartin@zetnet.co.uk ^^^|Using Kinetic RiscPC| | * http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/mmartin/fifepits/ *| Email and News by | | ^^^ http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/mmartin/sign/ ^^^| !Pluto | |======== Risc OS Virus Free =========|===With RISC OS 4===| -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Oct 16 18:49:08 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AAC7M-0000Jz-Fg-0000OH."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 18:49:08 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AAC7M-0000Jz-Fg; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 17:41:00 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AAC7M-0000Jz-Fg; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 17:40:56 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AAC7K-0002Oh-Pf; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 18:40:54 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h9GHele16397 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 18:40:47 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.87]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h9GHegL16346 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 18:40:42 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AAC78-00081v-0b for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 18:40:42 +0100 Message-ID: <4k8mnzBWftj$EwoD@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 18:39:34 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Disappearing image processing options? References: <4c423800c8barry@e-allen.co.uk> <4c42451174paul@delink.nl> In-Reply-To: <4c42451174paul@delink.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 16 Oct, Barry E Allen wrote: > Hi Folks, > I'm sure that I can remember being able to process images within > Ovation Pro but the option seems to have disappeared. Is my memory > playing tricks on me? Relax, it's not your mind... Three things maybe worth looking at 1. Are you positively selecting the picture before trying to process it? 2. If you are selecting it and unable to process it, could it be because the picture frame is part of a group maybe to a frame containing a caption or somesuch? If this is the case then "Picture" doesn't appear in the menu. 3. Do you get "Picture" in the menu and does the sub menu have "Process..." and "Screen..." as its last two items? If not then you probably don't have the ColSupp applet enabled. -- ______________________________________________________________________ Brian Jordan From somewhere in North Hampshire. England ______________________________________________________________________ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Oct 16 21:39:15 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1A9XbJ-0000fF-6A-00012G."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 21:39:15 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1A9XbJ-0000fF-6A; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 20:36:51 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1A9XbJ-0000fF-6A; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 22:25:10 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1A9Xau-0005fK-W5; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 23:24:45 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h9EMOYU25857 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 23:24:35 +0100 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.184]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h9EMOPf25815 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 23:24:26 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.160] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1A9Xab-0003yB-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 00:24:25 +0200 Received: from [213.6.48.50] (helo=bach) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1A9Xaa-00012x-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 00:24:24 +0200 Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 00:24:25 +0200 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvPro and Ligatures by email Message-ID: <0f2278414c.martin@mw-software.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.70a (MsgServe/2.10) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message wildtime@argonet.co.uk (Tim Rickard) wrote: > Even though the plain text version and the Word doc looked perfect > before they were sent out by Voyager's email, when they were translated > the other end, all the ligatures were converted to create a series of > embarassing spelling mistakes. Fl and fi appeared as a 'z' or a 'y' in > the document received by my clients. The recipients were using Outlook > Express and Lotus Notes for email and neither picked up the ligatures > correctly. But then, why should they? Exactly. The e-mail you sent used an encoding that does not have a representation for ligatures, so this is not a surprise. Your text was originally encoded using Acorn Latin-1, which supports ligatures. Your recipients use a Windows code page that supports ligatures, but they are in different places in the encoding. Your e-mail was encoded using ISO Latin-1, which does not support ligatures at all. The way to send ligatures to Windows users is to convert your text from Acorn Latin-1 to the standard Western European Windows code page (there must be a conversion utility around somewhere) and then put it in an archive (the latter is only required for purists, it would probably work as well if you just sent the text as an e-mail although this is strictly speaking incorrect unless you can put the correct character set declaration in the e-mail). Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Oct 16 22:19:19 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AABvr-0007nc-En-0003VP."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 22:19:19 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AABvr-0007nc-En; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 20:59:30 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AABvr-0007nc-En; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 17:29:03 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AABvY-0000DY-3Y; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 18:28:44 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h9GHSV308666 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 18:28:31 +0100 Received: from zephir.uk.clara.net (zephir.uk.clara.net [195.8.69.53]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h9GHSQM08616 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 18:28:26 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from du-069-0921.access.clara.net ([217.158.170.158] helo=clara.net) by zephir.uk.clara.net with smtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AABvF-0005Qi-DB for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 18:28:26 +0100 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 18:07:51 +0100 From: charles To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Cc: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Disappearing image processing options? Message-ID: <4cd262424c.charles@clara.co.uk> References: <4c423800c8barry@e-allen.co.uk> <4c42451174paul@delink.nl> <4c4248041ebarry@e-allen.co.uk> <4c4250c203barry@e-allen.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4c4250c203barry@e-allen.co.uk> X-Organization: home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4c4250c203barry@e-allen.co.uk> Barry E Allen wrote: > Maybe I > should also read the manual Paul, if I could find it! :o)) > There's a manual on the CD... Charles -- 020 8949 0708 / 079 5620 0176 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Oct 16 22:59:20 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1A9TeU-0002xo-CH-0000Tp."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 22:59:20 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1A9TeU-0002xo-CH; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 21:50:02 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1A9TeU-0002xo-CH; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 18:12:10 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1A9TW2-0001EW-SP; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 19:03:26 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h9EI2xA08215 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 19:03:00 +0100 Received: from aquarius.realingenuity.net (aquarius.realingenuity.net [213.165.154.155]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h9EI2nk08154 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 19:02:49 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from RTV (1Cust127.tnt16.lnd1.gbr.da.uu.net [62.188.8.127]) by aquarius.realingenuity.net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id h9EHqgL21408 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 18:52:42 +0100 Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 19:01:04 +0100 From: Mik Towse To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: RE: [softwarelist] White Line between Thumbnails Message-ID: <4C41600582%mik.towse@xemik.com> References: <001001c3924d$62d9e4d0$0110100a@SONYLAPTOP> In-Reply-To: <001001c3924d$62d9e4d0$0110100a@SONYLAPTOP> X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.62 POPstar/2.05 X-Editor: Zap 1.45, using ZapEmail 0.26 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <001001c3924d$62d9e4d0$0110100a@SONYLAPTOP> Ian wrote: > Does anyone know how to get rid of the thin white line that appears > between thumbnails. [snip] Does each frame have an inset of 1mm? When I create a new frame, they have this inset, so I assume it is the OPpo default. HTH -- He who wonders discovers that this in itself is wonderful. M C Escher __ __ _ _ _____ | \/ (_) | __ |_ _|____ __ _____ ___ | |\/| | | |/ / | |/ _ \ V V (_- for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 01:09:27 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AA651-0006nf-D8; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 00:04:03 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AA651-0006nf-D8; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:14:07 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AA64Y-0007WI-Me; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 12:13:38 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h9GBDRL10525 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 12:13:27 +0100 Received: from smtpq1.home.nl (smtpq1.home.nl [213.51.128.196]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h9GBDKB10403 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 12:13:20 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [213.51.128.134] (port=44748 helo=smtp3.home.nl) by smtpq1.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AA64F-00012H-Qh for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 13:13:19 +0200 Received: from cp418204-a.dbsch1.nb.home.nl ([217.123.44.165]:55052 helo=padua) by smtp3.home.nl with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AA64C-0001L4-Vu for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 13:13:17 +0200 Message-ID: <006801c39315$df911750$6502a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: "Ovation Pro" References: Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvPro and Ligatures by email Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 13:14:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-AtHome-MailScanner-Information: Neem contact op met support@home.nl voor meer informatie X-AtHome-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,DATE_IN_PAST_12_24,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Tuesday, October 14, 2003 8:03 PM, Tim Rickard wrote: > David, this is probably old hat, but I thought I should pass it on to > the team. > > I have been writing some treatments for a proposed TV series on OvPro > with ligatures enabled. I sent two versions of the treatments by > email, one in plain text and one, after conversion through > Easiwriter, as a Word doc. > OvPro in RISC OS and Windows version both support only one Encoding (table of 256 glyphs) at once. Default is Acorn Latin1 Encoding for the RISC OS version (which can be changed, when a bigger Base font is used), be it in OvPro or Easiwriter or other programs. For the Windows version of Ovation Pro only Acorn Latin1 is available. When 'export as Word' or 'import Word doc' from Easiwriter is used, Easiwriter maps the characters ASCII 0128 to 0159 from Acorn Latin1 Encoding to Windows ANSI. Only the characters present in both Encodings -be it on different ASCII positions- can be mapped. Specific Windows ANSI characters like Scaron, Zcaron, zcaron, scaron, florin and Ydieresis are not part of Acorn Latin1. Specific RISC OS characters like Wcircumflex, wcircumflex, Ycircumflex, ycirumflex, minus, fi and fl are not part of Windows ANSI (Windows: Western or Western Europe The latter can be used in a windows document, when the document is *composed* in windows 1) when the program in which this doc is used supports Unicode or a switch between code tables 2) AND when these characters are adressed in the doc in unicode or with deviant encodings and not with a *plain* ASCII position only. 3) Of course, also the font used need to contain these characters. Also the Windows version 95 ... XP can be relevant. This can be seen easily, when you load Character Map in Windows and scroll through available options and installed fonts. >From here you can enter by copy/paste via global clipboard additional characters (like fi and fl - unicode fb01 and fb02 in the unicode subrange Private Use Characters or minus - unicode 2212 in the unicode subrange Mathematical Operators). As far as I have seen and used it, this only works OK on screen AND print with TrueType and OpenType fonts. Such characters in Type1 fonts render on screen, but don't print in PostScript from windows. Other dangerous characters -not due to ASCII code, but character name used in Encodings are: periodcentered (Acorn Latin1) - middot (Windows ANSI) mu - mu1 Euro at ASCII 0164 - at unicode 20AC / ASCII and ANSI 0128 > Even though the plain text version and the Word doc looked perfect > before they were sent out by Voyager's email, when they were > translated the other end, all the ligatures were converted to create > a series of embarassing spelling mistakes. Fl and fi appeared as a > 'z' or a 'y' in the document received by my clients. The recipients > were using Outlook Express and Lotus Notes for email and neither > picked up the ligatures correctly. But then, why should they? Yes, why should they? The needed info to be able to render the correct characters was missing. > Obviously, I will disable ligatures in future. Is this a common > mistake and are there any similar problems I should look out for in > future? As outlined above: enough. Tonnie -- Mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 17 01:39:31 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1A9UVh-0002YF-8z-00048M."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 01:39:31 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1A9UVh-0002YF-8z; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 00:37:50 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1A9UVh-0002YF-8z; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 19:07:09 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1A9UVJ-0007zU-SB; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 20:06:45 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h9EJ6Zo28387 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 20:06:35 +0100 Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h9EJ6Y728380 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 20:06:34 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [62.188.122.28] (helo=62.188.122.28) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A9UV1-0005mF-VI for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 20:06:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Tim Rickard) To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 20:03:31 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.33 for RISC OS 4.33 Subject: [softwarelist] OvPro and Ligatures by email Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) David, this is probably old hat, but I thought I should pass it on to the team. I have been writing some treatments for a proposed TV series on OvPro with ligatures enabled. I sent two versions of the treatments by email, one in plain text and one, after conversion through Easiwriter, as a Word doc. Even though the plain text version and the Word doc looked perfect before they were sent out by Voyager's email, when they were translated the other end, all the ligatures were converted to create a series of embarassing spelling mistakes. Fl and fi appeared as a 'z' or a 'y' in the document received by my clients. The recipients were using Outlook Express and Lotus Notes for email and neither picked up the ligatures correctly. But then, why should they? Obviously, I will disable ligatures in future. Is this a common mistake and are there any similar problems I should look out for in future? (That is if I'm ever asked to write anything again!). Best wishes, Tim Rickard Prospero Productions -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 17 02:09:33 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AA9h1-0005Lp-EU-0004EA."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 02:09:33 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AA9h1-0005Lp-EU; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 01:05:57 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AA9h1-0005Lp-EU; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 15:05:35 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AA9gv-0001Ns-MX; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 16:05:29 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h9GF59h04111 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 16:05:09 +0100 Received: from sally.dts-online.net (sally.dts-online.net [212.62.68.35]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h9GF58J04090 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 16:05:08 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from uff411.ucs.de (212-62-84-173.teleos-web.de [212.62.84.173]) by sally.dts-online.net (Postfix) with SMTP id AF0863F1ED3 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 17:05:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: from kaskaskia.ucs.de ([192.168.202.184]) by uff411.ucs.de; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 17:05:57 +0200 Received: from martinv by kaskaskia.ucs.de with local (RemoteNB 1.53beta2) for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; 16 Oct 2003 17:05:55 +0200 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 17:05:55 +0200 From: Martin Vethake To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Disappearing image processing options? Message-ID: <82a857424c.martinv@kaskaskia.ucs.de> References: <4c423800c8barry@e-allen.co.uk> <4c42451174paul@delink.nl> In-Reply-To: <4c42451174paul@delink.nl> X-Organization: U C S User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60 (RemoteNB/1.53beta2) (RISC-OS/3.70) X-Editor: Zap 1.45 (06 Nov 2002), ZapEmail 0.26 (03 Nov 2002) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4c42451174paul@delink.nl> you wrote: > > > > I'm sure that I can remember being able to process images within Ovation > > Pro but the option seems to have disappeared. > > Is my memory playing tricks on me? > > I suppose so, as you apparently forgot where you've put the manual. > But here is the trick: be sure that you have selected an image first (!), > and then you will find the option Pictures in the main menu, and the option > Process... in the submenu. > Or maybe the !ColSupp Applet is missing. Regards -- Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 17 02:29:31 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AAC5j-0004JY-5D-0002V5."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 02:29:31 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AAC5j-0004JY-5D; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 01:22:13 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AAC5j-0004JY-5D; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 17:39:15 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AAC5P-0000pC-Au; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 18:38:55 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h9GHcjI15225 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 18:38:45 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h9GHceI15170 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 18:38:40 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AAC59-000DpP-0Y for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 18:38:40 +0100 Message-ID: <20alDCBPdtj$EwpP@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 18:37:19 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro References: <4c425b043cmmartin@zetnet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4c425b043cmmartin@zetnet.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Have a problem with Ovation Pro when I load it onto the iconbar and then >click on it to open a page up, the background colour of the page is in >Green. File menu -> Save as default... The default document saved in such a way is used as the template for all new documents. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 17 02:59:32 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1A9XNf-0004mI-7P-0003Pn."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 02:59:32 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1A9XNf-0004mI-7P; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 01:51:38 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1A9XNf-0004mI-7P; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 22:11:03 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1A9XNL-00084Y-LL; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 23:10:43 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h9EMASH22192 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 23:10:29 +0100 Received: from black-watch.firstnet.net.uk (vulcan.firstnet.net.uk [212.103.224.244]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with SMTP id h9EMAMu22137 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 23:10:22 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: (qmail 19945 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2003 22:11:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO SONYLAPTOP) (62.105.89.190) by black-watch.first with SMTP; 14 Oct 2003 22:11:03 -0000 From: "Ian ODonnell" To: Subject: RE: [softwarelist] White Line between Thumbnails Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 23:10:17 +0100 Message-ID: <000a01c3929f$f34497c0$0300a8c0@SONYLAPTOP> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <$9F3xBExEFj$EwIh@pilling.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I am using a Postscript Printer Driver and then converting it to PDF with JAWS on the PC though it doesn't make any difference which PDF converter I use. All my printers use PostScript so I can't test on anything else. Anybody tried anything else? Thanks Ian _ _ _ _ |_|_|_|_| Post: Concorde House, Trinity Park, Solihull B37 7UQ |_|_|_|_| Phone: 0121 635 5020 |_|_|_|_| Email: ian@realpoint.co.uk |_|_|_|_| Web: http://www.realpoint.co.uk Real Point > -----Original Message----- > From: > [mailto:owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net] On Behalf Of > David Pilling > Sent: 14 October 2003 20:41 > To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net > Subject: Re: [softwarelist] White Line between Thumbnails > > > >Does anyone know how to get rid of the thin white line that appears > >between thumbnails. > > The way you put it, it sounds like a bug, a single pixel > error between > clipping rectangles. > > I wonder if it shows up on different printer drivers. > > -- > David Pilling > email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk > web: http://www.davidpilling.net > post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys > Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK > fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 > > > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email > listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE > softwarelist in the body of the message > > Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net > > -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 17 13:52:32 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1A9TiW-0001E3-AN-0006K4."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 13:52:32 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1A9TiW-0001E3-AN; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 09:06:20 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1A9TiW-0001E3-AN; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 18:16:20 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1A9TiN-0004eW-Kb; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 19:16:11 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h9EIFxv13044 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 19:15:59 +0100 Received: from d9000.firstnet.net.uk (vulcan.firstnet.net.uk [212.103.224.244]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with SMTP id h9EIFqQ13008 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 19:15:52 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: (qmail 5234 invoked by uid 105); 14 Oct 2003 18:16:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO SONYLAPTOP) (62.105.89.190) by d9000.first with SMTP; 14 Oct 2003 18:16:56 -0000 From: "Ian ODonnell" To: Subject: RE: [softwarelist] White Line between Thumbnails Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 19:15:46 +0100 Message-ID: <000601c3927f$30d25b20$0300a8c0@SONYLAPTOP> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4C41600582%mik.towse@xemik.com> Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Nothing to do with Frames, though they don't, it is between pages. Ian _ _ _ _ |_|_|_|_| Post: Concorde House, Trinity Park, Solihull B37 7UQ |_|_|_|_| Phone: 0121 635 5020 |_|_|_|_| Email: ian@realpoint.co.uk |_|_|_|_| Web: http://www.realpoint.co.uk Real Point > -----Original Message----- > From: > [mailto:owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net] On Behalf Of Mik Towse > Sent: 14 October 2003 19:01 > To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net > Subject: RE: [softwarelist] White Line between Thumbnails > > > In article <001001c3924d$62d9e4d0$0110100a@SONYLAPTOP> Ian wrote: > > Does anyone know how to get rid of the thin white line that appears > > between thumbnails. > [snip] > Does each frame have an inset of 1mm? When I create a new > frame, they have this inset, so I assume it is the OPpo default. > > HTH > -- > He who wonders discovers that this in itself is wonderful. M C Escher > __ __ _ _ _____ > | \/ (_) | __ |_ _|____ __ _____ ___ > | |\/| | | |/ / | |/ _ \ V V (_- |_| |_|_|_|\_\ |_|\___/\_/\_//__/\___| > mik.towse@xemik.com * http://www.xemik.com/ > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email > listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE > softwarelist in the body of the message > > Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net > > -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 17 13:52:38 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AAC6r-0005gK-53-00054W."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 13:52:38 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AAC6r-0005gK-53; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 06:47:40 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AAC6r-0005gK-53; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 17:40:25 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AAC6f-0002Gz-NH; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 18:40:13 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h9GHe6m16012 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 18:40:06 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.87]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h9GHe3K15980 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 18:40:03 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AAC6U-0007yp-0b for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 18:40:02 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 18:38:21 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Disappearing image processing options? References: <4c423800c8barry@e-allen.co.uk> <4c42451174paul@delink.nl> In-Reply-To: <4c42451174paul@delink.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >> I'm sure that I can remember being able to process images within Ovation >> Pro but the option seems to have disappeared. >> Is my memory playing tricks on me? email via demon is taking days to propagate so I've not seen the original posting yet. Obvious point, colour supplement, image processing options are only available when this is loaded. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 17 13:52:48 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AAKbz-0005N9-8R-0005CV."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 13:52:48 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AAKbz-0005N9-8R; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 04:33:39 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AAKbz-0005N9-8R; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 02:45:07 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AAKbL-0004Xz-2X; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 03:44:27 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h9H2i5823193 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 03:44:05 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h9H2i1323166 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 03:44:01 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AAKau-00096g-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 03:44:01 +0100 Message-ID: <8d+3JvFcc1j$EwLW@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 03:42:36 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvPro and Ligatures by email References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Obviously, I will disable ligatures in future. Is this a common mistake and >are there any similar problems I should look out for in future? (That is if >I'm ever asked to write anything again!). Sexy quotes can cause some heartache on export to email or whatever. Again there is an applet that auto generates them. You'll have trouble with characters in the range 128 to 160, have a look at the chars display in OP (F11?). I wonder if OP export to RTF (David Breakwell's program) or OvHTML HTML export sorts out this kind of thing? Plan B, is to just email an OP document, and let them use the Windows version of OP to read it ;-) -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 17 13:52:52 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AAP2v-0004NY-Gn-000754."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 13:52:52 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AAP2v-0004NY-Gn; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 08:02:28 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AAP2v-0004NY-Gn; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 07:29:13 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AAP2R-0003w7-GI; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 08:28:43 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h9H7SSc13423 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 08:28:28 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h9H7SMo13387 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 08:28:22 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from lowrys.demon.co.uk ([62.49.21.208] helo=Ralph) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AAP24-000Axp-0Y for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 08:28:21 +0100 Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 08:28:05 +0100 From: Ian Lowry To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro Message-ID: References: <4c425b043cmmartin@zetnet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4c425b043cmmartin@zetnet.co.uk> X-Organization: Matchstick User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05S) (RISC-OS/4.37) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4c425b043cmmartin@zetnet.co.uk> Michael M Martin wrote: [snip] > But how do I get it to keep a white background so the next time I load it > and open a new document that the colour of the page will be white and not > green. > > I have tried saving it by going into the choices and clicking save in > there but still get the green background the next time I fire it up. > > Best Regards, Mick > Once you have the page white click Menu over the page, open the 'file' submenu, and click on 'save as default'. Hwyl fawr Ian -- Does a medical book have an appendix? -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 17 13:52:53 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AAP7r-0007cn-8F-0004Km."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 13:52:53 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AAP7r-0007cn-8F; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 07:43:56 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AAP7r-0007cn-8F; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 07:34:19 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AAP7b-0004pF-JH; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 08:34:03 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h9H7Xqi15181 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 08:33:52 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h9H7XmI15162 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 08:33:48 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from g4iat.demon.co.uk ([80.177.19.185] helo=penny) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AAP7L-000G7A-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 08:33:47 +0100 Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 08:32:01 +0100 From: Barry Smith To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] Epson scanners Message-ID: <79f0b1424c.g4iat@demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60a (MsgServe/2.01beta) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by svr1.spellings.net id h9H7XoI15167 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) After David's recent post about Epson scanners I've been doing a little research. I thought it might be useful to others in the same situation as myself. I haven't bought an Iyonix yet, but it's on the Xmas wish list :-) I've been thinking about the Epson 2400 or 2450, however, I can't find the 2450 listed on any UK (sales) sites and the 2450 is still 'unknown' as regards Twain2. http://reviews.cnet.com/Epson_Perfection_2400_Photo/4507-3137_7-20077919.html?tag=txt http://reviews.cnet.com/Epson_Perfection_2450_Photo/4507-3137_7-7312866.html?tag=dir 2400 higher *interpolated* resolution (almost double the 2450) ??? seems odd ! both have the same optical resolution. Maybe an error in the review. 2450 almost twice the weight, will scan books etc. approx 50% dearer than 2400 I'm not sure that Amazon's description of the 2400 is correct - Interfaces - firewire: No, parallel: No, scsi: No, serial: No, usb: No :-) >From reading old newsgroup posts I believe the 2450 will scan slides bigger than 35mm - http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&frame=right&th=1255bb87949905a8&seekm=150820021919080734%25ramarren%40bayarea.net but an adaptor is available (at about £80!) to make the 2400 scan 5x4 (inch?) transparencies. Looks like if you want a high resolution for scanning 35mm slides, as I do, the 2400 is a good buy. Judging by David's comments now may be the time to buy one. Of course if you wait, something better/faster/cheaper *may* come along. Barry -- The difference betweeen ignorance and apathy? I don't know and I don't care. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 17 13:52:53 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AAPBK-0005yQ-An-0003L5."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 13:52:53 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AAPBK-0005yQ-An; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 10:41:25 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AAPBK-0005yQ-An; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 07:37:54 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AAPAs-0002x6-PY; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 08:37:26 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h9H7bN516406 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 08:37:23 +0100 Received: from smtp1.ex.eclipse.net.uk (smtp-node1.eclipse.net.uk [212.104.129.76]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h9H7bIb16370 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 08:37:18 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from Martin (unknown [81.168.125.238]) by smtp1.ex.eclipse.net.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7D3B2AC for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 08:37:16 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 08:36:12 +0100 From: Martin Devon To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvPro and Ligatures by email Message-ID: <3852b2424c.Martin@heleigh.org.uk> References: <8d+3JvFcc1j$EwLW@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <8d+3JvFcc1j$EwLW@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/4.36) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) David Pilling wrote: > > Sexy quotes can cause some heartache on export to email or whatever. > Again there is an applet that auto generates them. You'll have trouble > with characters in the range 128 to 160, have a look at the chars > display in OP (F11?). > > I wonder if OP export to RTF (David Breakwell's program) or OvHTML HTML > export sorts out this kind of thing? I did take the liberty of adding a few lines into David Breakwell's !MakeRTF.!RunImage which strips ligatures and substitutes pairs of single letters. Smart quotes are removed and replaced by simple ones at the same time. Works perfectly! -- Martin Devon Box, Wilts, UK -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 17 15:22:31 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AAURS-0000Za-JA-0003Kj."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 15:22:31 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AAURS-0000Za-JA; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 14:19:40 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AAURS-0000Za-JA; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 13:14:55 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AAUNo-00071E-UZ; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 14:11:08 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h9HDB2o22785 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 14:11:02 +0100 Received: from mail.chariot.net.au (mail.chariot.net.au [203.87.95.38]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h9HDB1r22779 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 14:11:01 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from localhost (ppp-157.cust203-87-112.ghr.chariot.net.au [203.87.112.157]) by mail.chariot.net.au (Postfix) with SMTP id C763762EAF for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 22:40:58 +0930 (CST) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 22:38:40 +0830 From: Peter Prewett To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP Clipboard Message-ID: References: <85eed3424c.pprewett@chariot.net.au> In-Reply-To: <85eed3424c.pprewett@chariot.net.au> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (MsgServe/2.02) (RISC-OS/4.37) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <85eed3424c.pprewett@chariot.net.au> Peter Prewett wrote: > I have just upgraded our 2 computers to the new Select 4.37 and having > problems that I am sure did not occur before in that cutting and pasting > looses all effects on both computers > > For instance bold and normal words put on the clipboard then pasted > after section of normal italic text gets converted to all italics and > an italic word pasted in a section of normal words gets converted to > normal. > > Even more confusing is that trying to paste a word in a line gets put > into the line above, but even that is not consistent. > > I am going crazy. > > Ovation Pro 2.72 > It looks like OP is loosing the formatting when using the clipboard tools on the icon bar as highlighting and dragging formatted text to a new document works OK. As my wife has just found that moving text via the tools looses all effects. For instance a centred poem with a mixture of italics, bold and sizes moved to a new document all get converted to the left hand side and 12pt. In fact moving text to a new document using the Edit menu Ctrl C and Ctrl V puts looses the line feeds in other words it is behaving different from the tool bar. I am going to take the dog for a walk and then to bed and try again tomorrow. Cheers Peter -- Peter Prewett, Coromandel Valley, South Australia -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 17 15:32:32 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AAUET-00061k-JH-0000s0."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 15:32:32 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AAUET-00061k-JH; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 14:30:14 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AAUET-00061k-JH; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 13:01:30 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AAU0P-0002Mm-Qc; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 13:46:57 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h9HCk3h10892 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 13:46:04 +0100 Received: from mail.chariot.net.au (mail.chariot.net.au [203.87.95.38]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h9HCjme10799 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 13:45:50 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from localhost (ppp-249.cust203-87-115.ghr.chariot.net.au [203.87.115.249]) by mail.chariot.net.au (Postfix) with SMTP id BB97D607A8 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 22:15:43 +0930 (CST) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 22:13:19 +0830 From: Peter Prewett To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] OP Clipboard Message-ID: <85eed3424c.pprewett@chariot.net.au> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (MsgServe/2.02) (RISC-OS/4.37) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I have just upgraded our 2 computers to the new Select 4.37 and having problems that I am sure did not occur before in that cutting and pasting looses all effects on both computers For instance bold and normal words put on the clipboard then pasted after section of normal italic text gets converted to all italics and an italic word pasted in a section of normal words gets converted to normal. Even more confusing is that trying to paste a word in a line gets put into the line above, but even that is not consistent. I am going crazy. Ovation Pro 2.72 Cheers Peter -- Peter Prewett, Coromandel Valley, South Australia -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 17 16:32:44 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AARBR-00000e-3z-0004NZ."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 16:32:44 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AARBR-00000e-3z; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 15:30:17 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AARBR-00000e-3z; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 09:46:09 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AAQV6-0007Oi-QB; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 10:02:25 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h9H924t17091 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 10:02:04 +0100 Received: from smtpq3.home.nl (smtpq3.home.nl [213.51.128.198]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h9H91rV16998 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 10:01:54 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [213.51.128.133] (port=44853 helo=smtp2.home.nl) by smtpq3.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AAQUa-0000Fk-HD for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 11:01:52 +0200 Received: from cp418204-a.dbsch1.nb.home.nl ([217.123.44.165]:55024 helo=padua) by smtp2.home.nl with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AAQUX-0008Te-Nw for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 11:01:49 +0200 Message-ID: <000f01c393cc$ad427110$6502a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: References: <8d+3JvFcc1j$EwLW@pilling.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvPro and Ligatures by email Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 10:57:27 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-AtHome-MailScanner-Information: Neem contact op met support@home.nl voor meer informatie X-AtHome-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,DATE_IN_PAST_12_24,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Friday, October 17, 2003 3:42 AM, David Pilling wrote: >> Obviously, I will disable ligatures in future. Is this a common >> mistake and are there any similar problems I should look out for in >> future? (That is if I'm ever asked to write anything again!). > > Sexy quotes can cause some heartache on export to email or whatever. > Again there is an applet that auto generates them. You'll have trouble > with characters in the range 128 to 160, have a look at the chars > display in OP (F11?). > > I wonder if OP export to RTF (David Breakwell's program) or OvHTML > HTML export sorts out this kind of thing? OvHTML? See !OvHTML.data.charsets - and the text in these files added by Rick Murray Also the other files in the 'data' directory show, which solutions or ways he has applied/used. Tonnie -- Mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 17 18:42:40 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AAXQ6-0000gs-Ib-000426."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 18:42:40 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AAXQ6-0000gs-Ib; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 17:35:04 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AAXQ6-0000gs-Ib; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 16:25:42 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AAXQ1-0004V9-3Z; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 17:25:37 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h9HFmP430796 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 16:48:25 +0100 Received: from gadolinium.btinternet.com (gadolinium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.111]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h9HFmBU30638 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 16:48:11 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from host217-43-55-147.range217-43.btcentralplus.com ([217.43.55.147] helo=brian) by gadolinium.btinternet.com with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #23) id 1AAWpl-0004eu-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 16:48:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 16:45:44 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP Clipboard Message-ID: <4c42df23d6brian_and_jennie@drood68.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <85eed3424c.pprewett@chariot.net.au> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.37) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.7 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 17 Oct, Peter Prewett wrote: > In message <85eed3424c.pprewett@chariot.net.au> > Peter Prewett wrote: [Snip] > I am going to take the dog for a walk and then to bed and try again > tomorrow. How very liberal, can you do that with the sheep too? :-) -- ______________________________________________________________________ Brian Jordan >From somewhere in North Hampshire. England ______________________________________________________________________ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 17 19:12:42 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AAVom-0001Vd-49-0004Mg."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 19:12:42 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AAVom-0001Vd-49; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 18:08:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AAVom-0001Vd-49; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 14:43:04 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AAVoi-0003ZZ-BH; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 15:43:00 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h9HEgfF29621 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 15:42:41 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h9HEgTE29550 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 15:42:30 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AAVoB-000Kql-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 15:42:28 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 15:41:14 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP Clipboard References: <85eed3424c.pprewett@chariot.net.au> In-Reply-To: <85eed3424c.pprewett@chariot.net.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >For instance bold and normal words put on the clipboard then pasted >after section of normal italic text gets converted to all italics and >an italic word pasted in a section of normal words gets converted to >normal. It might be possible to explain this with strange style/effect settings. However... >Even more confusing is that trying to paste a word in a line gets put >into the line above, but even that is not consistent. that wouldn't explain this. One possible explanation would be a corrupt document. Bottom line I've no idea, it would be interesting for others to confirm your experience. If it really is clipboard related the global clipboard setting in OP choices may be relevant. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 17 19:42:44 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AAY5R-0002R6-9C-0005TM."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 19:42:44 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AAY5R-0002R6-9C; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 18:41:49 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AAY5R-0002R6-9C; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 17:08:25 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AAY5O-0004ut-SR; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 18:08:22 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h9HH8C205686 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 18:08:12 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h9HH8Bk05672 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 18:08:11 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AAY56-0002Ht-0Y for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 18:08:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 18:07:18 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP Clipboard Message-ID: <4c42e69b5aJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <85eed3424c.pprewett@chariot.net.au> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , Peter Prewett wrote: > I am going to take the dog for a walk and then to bed You sleep with the dog? -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 17 20:02:45 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AAZit-00039B-3f-0003Cl."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 20:02:45 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AAZit-00039B-3f; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 18:53:18 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AAZit-00039B-3f; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 18:53:15 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AAZiH-0000AL-JS; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 19:52:37 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h9HIqHH17027 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 19:52:17 +0100 Received: from msgdirector4.onetel.net.uk (msgdirector4.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.160]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h9HIqCl16980 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 19:52:12 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from bghill.onetel.net.uk (213-78-95-102.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.95.102]) by msgdirector4.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 3.3.6-GR) with SMTP id BEE11906; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 19:40:18 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 18:08:43 +0000 (GMT) From: "Bernard G. Hill" Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP Clipboard To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Fri 17 Oct, David Pilling wrote: > > > >Even more confusing is that trying to paste a word in a line gets put > >into the line above, but even that is not consistent. > > that wouldn't explain this. One possible explanation would be a corrupt > document. > > Bottom line I've no idea, it would be interesting for others to confirm > your experience. > > If it really is clipboard related the global clipboard setting in OP > choices may be relevant. > Hi, I have had this strange pasting to the line above for some time, but thought it might be something to do with pasting text from StrongED. I am not using Select. OP 2.72, but it did happen with pevious versions, but I cannot remember and did ot make a note of at which version it started. Sorry. Text seems to be pasted in front of the text of the line above, not necessarily a carriage return. Perhaps I have got a corrupted document as the magaine goes on from month to month based on the prvious edition, but I have for the last few months made a habit of starting from a DDL version of the previous issue. I have become so used to putting one carriage return in before pasting, which then pastes the text in at the right place, that I have forgotten to raise the issue. I did not suspect that it might be an OP problem. Perhaps it isn't. Berni. -- Bernard G. Hill Tel/Fax: 01633 880197 Zion, Church Road email: bghill@onetel.net.uk Undy, Caldicot NP26 3EN -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Oct 18 00:42:58 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AAXJn-000541-B4-0004RT."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 18 Oct 2003 00:42:58 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AAXJn-000541-B4; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 23:41:31 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AAXJn-000541-B4; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 16:19:11 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AAXJg-0002VP-Aa; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 17:19:04 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h9HGInp14444 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 17:18:49 +0100 Received: from gadolinium.btinternet.com (gadolinium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.111]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h9HGIm014441 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 17:18:48 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from host217-43-55-147.range217-43.btcentralplus.com ([217.43.55.147] helo=brian) by gadolinium.btinternet.com with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #23) id 1AAXJP-0002ct-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 17:18:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 17:17:02 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP Clipboard Message-ID: <4c42e20146Brian_and_Jennie@drood68.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <85eed3424c.pprewett@chariot.net.au> References: <85eed3424c.pprewett@chariot.net.au> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.37) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Editor: Zap 1.45 (06 Nov 2002), ZapEmail 0.26 (03 Nov 2002) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.7 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 17 Oct, Peter Prewett wrote: > I have just upgraded our 2 computers to the new Select 4.37 and having > problems that I am sure did not occur before in that cutting and pasting > looses all effects on both computers > For instance bold and normal words put on the clipboard then pasted > after section of normal italic text gets converted to all italics and > an italic word pasted in a section of normal words gets converted to > normal. > Even more confusing is that trying to paste a word in a line gets put > into the line above, but even that is not consistent. > I am going crazy. > Ovation Pro 2.72 Using OP 2.71 here... I can confirm this behaviour not only in Select 4.37 but in all versions of Select 3. I have just had a little play, softloading various flavours of Select and running OP. Pasting from the OP clipboard retained formatting up to Select2i3 (18 Nov 2002) - was that 4.33? Interesting to note that anything cut from a document reaches the clipboard with formatting intact (Cut some formatted text and Ctrl-B to look at the clipboard) but loses it in the pasting. Select 3 saw the introduction of cutting and pasting text from icons, presumably some connection? Hopefully I am now posting from my subscribed address and this will reach the list. -- ______________________________________________________________________ Brian Jordan >From somewhere in North Hampshire. England ______________________________________________________________________ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Oct 18 03:13:05 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AAXQ7-0000iL-Gt-0000LN."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 18 Oct 2003 03:13:05 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AAXQ7-0000iL-Gt; Sat, 18 Oct 2003 02:05:58 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AAXQ7-0000iL-Gt; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 16:25:43 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AAXPX-0004P1-6y; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 17:25:07 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h9HGOrh17249 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 17:24:53 +0100 Received: from gadolinium.btinternet.com (gadolinium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.111]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h9HGOr117246 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 17:24:53 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from host217-43-55-147.range217-43.btcentralplus.com ([217.43.55.147] helo=brian) by gadolinium.btinternet.com with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #23) id 1AAXPI-00045o-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 17:24:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 17:24:04 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP Clipboard Message-ID: <4c42e2a65fBrian_and_Jennie@drood68.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <85eed3424c.pprewett@chariot.net.au> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.37) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.7 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 17 Oct, Peter Prewett wrote: [Snip] > I am going to take the dog for a walk and then to bed and try again > tomorrow. How very liberal, can you do that with the sheep too? :-) -- ______________________________________________________________________ Brian Jordan >From somewhere in North Hampshire. England ______________________________________________________________________ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Oct 18 03:13:06 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AAYeY-0004EQ-4b-00001C."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 18 Oct 2003 03:13:06 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AAYeY-0004EQ-4b; Sat, 18 Oct 2003 02:07:46 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AAYeY-0004EQ-4b; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 17:44:42 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AAYeF-0008Sa-Le; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 18:44:23 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h9HHhmw21050 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 18:43:48 +0100 Received: from einsteinium.btinternet.com (einsteinium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.147]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h9HHhbp20895 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 18:43:38 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from host217-43-55-147.range217-43.btcentralplus.com ([217.43.55.147] helo=brian) by einsteinium.btinternet.com with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #23) id 1AAYdS-0002mV-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 18:43:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Brian Jordan To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 18:42:43 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP Clipboard Message-ID: <4c42e9d9b2Brian_and_Jennie@drood68.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4c42e20146Brian_and_Jennie@drood68.freeserve.co.uk> References: <85eed3424c.pprewett@chariot.net.au> <4c42e20146Brian_and_Jennie@drood68.freeserve.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.37) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 17 Oct, wrote: [Snip] > Using OP 2.71 here... I can confirm this behaviour not only in Select > 4.37 but in all versions of Select 3. I have just had a little play, > softloading various flavours of Select and running OP. Pasting from the > OP clipboard retained formatting up to Select2i3 (18 Nov 2002) - was > that 4.33? > Interesting to note that anything cut from a document reaches the > clipboard with formatting intact (Cut some formatted text and Ctrl-B to > look at the clipboard) but loses it in the pasting. > Select 3 saw the introduction of cutting and pasting text from icons, > presumably some connection? > Hopefully I am now posting from my subscribed address and this will > reach the list. And the solution is in Ovation Pro Choices... Go to "General" and ensure there is no tick in the "Global clipboard" box. Cut and paste from other (non OPro) documents is of course now disabled so this is a workround and not a fix. -- ______________________________________________________________________ Brian Jordan >From somewhere in North Hampshire. England ______________________________________________________________________ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 21 19:09:06 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1A9mSR-0007Al-5c-0001oG."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 19:09:06 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1A9mSR-0007Al-5c; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 22:40:04 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1A9mSR-0007Al-5c; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 14:16:59 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1A9mS3-0002sJ-Gl; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 15:16:35 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h9FEGRV25307 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 15:16:27 +0100 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.185]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h9FEGQT25302 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 15:16:26 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.206] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1A9mRu-0002Va-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 16:16:26 +0200 Received: from [172.180.254.149] (helo=bach) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1A9mRt-0006bU-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 16:16:25 +0200 Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 16:16:15 +0200 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvPro and Ligatures by email Message-ID: <6846cf414c.martin@mw-software.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.70a (MsgServe/2.10) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message Robin Phillips wrote: > In message <0f2278414c.martin@mw-software.com> > Martin Wuerthner wrote: > > The way to send ligatures to Windows users is to convert your text from > > Acorn Latin-1 to the standard Western European Windows code page (there > > must be a conversion utility around somewhere) .... > > This is really most interesting. Is the "standard Western European > Windows code page" anything to do with Unicode? No. It is just another one-byte encoding like Acorn Latin-1 and ISO Latin-1. The above is not an official name, it is officially called Microsoft Latin-1 or more technically CP1252. > My son tells me that Unicode is being developed as the answer to these > problems of "top-bit characters". Yes, Unicode is a great thing, but it does not solve this problem. The only way to solve this problem is to supply correct encoding information. Whether the encoding is one of the old ones (e.g., ISO Latin-1) or one of the Unicode encodings does not matter as long as the chosen encoding has all the characters you need. The biggest problem is that most people do not have a clue about encodings, so no matter how great encodings are invented, it does not help. Well, it would, if everyone used one specific Unicode encoding exclusively, but this is not going to happen nor was it the aim of the Unicode idea. > When is the project to establish a standard likely to bear fruit? It has succeeded in establishing a standard a long time ago. However, the point of a standard is only to give a unique name to a well-defind set of rules so everyone using this name talks about the same thing. It does not help if you send data around and do not tell anyone to which standard you want to adhere, or worse, if you send data around that claims to adhere to a certain standard when it reality it does not. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 21 19:09:20 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AA4KC-0004IE-5V-0004Ks."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 19:09:20 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AA4KC-0004IE-5V; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 13:17:07 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AA4KC-0004IE-5V; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 09:21:40 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AA4J8-0008Ae-E1; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 10:20:34 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h9G9KKk13237 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 10:20:20 +0100 Received: from ptb-mailc05.plus.net (ptb-mailc05.plus.net [212.159.14.211]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h9G9KKL13234 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 10:20:20 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [212.159.102.184] (helo=barryrpc) by ptb-mailc05.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AA4In-000BDX-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 09:20:13 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Barry E Allen To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 10:20:09 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Disappearing image processing options? Message-ID: <4c423800c8barry@e-allen.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi Folks, I'm sure that I can remember being able to process images within Ovation Pro but the option seems to have disappeared. Is my memory playing tricks on me? -- Barry A. Rugby Union in Manchester:- http://www.broughton-park.org.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 21 19:09:22 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AA72W-0002Tq-5p-0007Rx."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 19:09:22 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AA72W-0002Tq-5p; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 20:22:50 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AA72W-0002Tq-5p; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 12:15:36 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AA72C-0005mF-5a; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 13:15:16 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h9GCF9010265 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 13:15:09 +0100 Received: from ptb-mailc05.plus.net (ptb-mailc05.plus.net [212.159.14.211]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h9GCF8X10262 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 13:15:08 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [212.159.102.184] (helo=barryrpc) by ptb-mailc05.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AA724-0004NV-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 12:15:08 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Barry E Allen To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 13:15:04 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Disappearing image processing options? Message-ID: <4c4248041ebarry@e-allen.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4c42451174paul@delink.nl> References: <4c423800c8barry@e-allen.co.uk> <4c42451174paul@delink.nl> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4c42451174paul@delink.nl>, Paul Sprangers wrote: > > I'm sure that I can remember being able to process images within Ovation > > Pro but the option seems to have disappeared. > > Is my memory playing tricks on me? > I suppose so, as you apparently forgot where you've put the manual. > But here is the trick: be sure that you have selected an image first (!), > and then you will find the option Pictures in the main menu, and the option > Process... in the submenu. Yes that is what I seem to remember, although it is I think 'Picture' but there ain't no 'Process' in the submenu option, not on mine anyway. Version 2.71. -- Barry A. Rugby Union in Manchester:- http://www.broughton-park.org.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 21 19:09:24 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AA8XB-0005AG-3v-00002U."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 19:09:24 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AA8XB-0005AG-3v; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 03:04:58 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AA8XB-0005AG-3v; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 13:51:21 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AA8X6-0000fM-Qk; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 14:51:16 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h9GDoih13347 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 14:50:44 +0100 Received: from ptb-mailc04.plus.net (ptb-mailc04.plus.net [212.159.14.210]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h9GDodZ13299 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 14:50:39 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [212.159.102.184] (helo=barryrpc) by ptb-mailc04.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AA8WU-0004ko-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 13:50:38 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Barry E Allen To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 14:50:33 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Disappearing image processing options? Message-ID: <4c4250c203barry@e-allen.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4c4248041ebarry@e-allen.co.uk> References: <4c423800c8barry@e-allen.co.uk> <4c42451174paul@delink.nl> <4c4248041ebarry@e-allen.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4c4248041ebarry@e-allen.co.uk>, Barry E Allen wrote: > In article <4c42451174paul@delink.nl>, Paul Sprangers > wrote: > > > I'm sure that I can remember being able to process images within > > > Ovation Pro but the option seems to have disappeared. Is my memory > > > playing tricks on me? > > I suppose so, as you apparently forgot where you've put the manual. But > > here is the trick: be sure that you have selected an image first (!), and > > then you will find the option Pictures in the main menu, and the option > > Process... in the submenu. > Yes that is what I seem to remember, although it is I think 'Picture' but > there ain't no 'Process' in the submenu option, not on mine anyway. Version > 2.71. Thanks to Brian Jordan who suggested that I may not have the ColSup Applet installed. He was correct. All is back to normal. I wonder how that disappeared? An over vigorous clean out of Applets perhaps? :o) Maybe I should also read the manual Paul, if I could find it! :o)) -- Barry A. Rugby Union in Manchester:- http://www.broughton-park.org.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 21 19:09:25 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AA8bI-0004hk-7w-0006Tq."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 19:09:25 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AA8bI-0004hk-7w; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 00:46:26 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AA8bI-0004hk-7w; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 13:55:36 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AA8b3-00019T-H9; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 14:55:21 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h9GDtEU16302 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 14:55:14 +0100 Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h9GDt8g16222 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 14:55:08 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [62.188.136.110] (helo=62.188.136.110) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AA8aj-0004vD-N5 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 14:55:02 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Ted Lacey) To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 14:54:47 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.36 for RISC OS 4.02 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Disappearing image processing options? Message-Id: <2452929.1454471-tedell@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4c4248041ebarry@e-allen.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Barry - Have tried this with versions 2.71 and my current one 2.72. The option "Picture" submenu has the process item and it works too! Did you remember to activate the border by clicking on the picture before you tried? Ted -- ________________________________________________________________________________ Ted Lacey - ZFC LXXXI - RiscPC600 - StrongArmed tedell@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 21 19:09:29 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AABvc-0000kq-92-0003oZ."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 19:09:29 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AABvc-0000kq-92; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 04:05:22 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AABvc-0000kq-92; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 17:28:48 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AABvZ-0007kI-AV; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 18:28:45 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h9GHSaI08720 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 18:28:37 +0100 Received: from zephir.uk.clara.net (zephir.uk.clara.net [195.8.69.53]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h9GHSRm08629 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 18:28:28 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from du-069-0921.access.clara.net ([217.158.170.158] helo=clara.net) by zephir.uk.clara.net with smtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AABvG-0005Qi-PP for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 18:28:27 +0100 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 18:07:51 +0100 From: charles To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Cc: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Disappearing image processing options? Message-ID: <4cd262424c.charles@clara.co.uk> References: <4c423800c8barry@e-allen.co.uk> <4c42451174paul@delink.nl> <4c4248041ebarry@e-allen.co.uk> <4c4250c203barry@e-allen.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4c4250c203barry@e-allen.co.uk> X-Organization: home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4c4250c203barry@e-allen.co.uk> Barry E Allen wrote: > Maybe I > should also read the manual Paul, if I could find it! :o)) > There's a manual on the CD... Charles -- 020 8949 0708 / 079 5620 0176 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 21 19:10:03 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AB1Hk-0005go-AT-0000Jc."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 19:10:03 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AB1Hk-0005go-AT; Sun, 19 Oct 2003 00:38:33 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AB1Hk-0005go-AT; Sun, 19 Oct 2003 00:19:04 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AB1Hb-0004Uw-Ad; Sun, 19 Oct 2003 01:18:55 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h9J0I8G22316 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 19 Oct 2003 01:18:09 +0100 Received: from mail.chariot.net.au (mail.chariot.net.au [203.87.95.38]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h9J0HxH22188 for ; Sun, 19 Oct 2003 01:18:00 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from localhost (ppp-126.cust203-87-119.ghr.chariot.net.au [203.87.119.126]) by mail.chariot.net.au (Postfix) with SMTP id C536561D61 for ; Sun, 19 Oct 2003 09:47:51 +0930 (CST) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 09:45:38 +0830 From: Peter Prewett To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP Clipboard Message-ID: References: <85eed3424c.pprewett@chariot.net.au> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (MsgServe/2.02) (RISC-OS/4.37) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message David Pilling wrote: > >For instance bold and normal words put on the clipboard then pasted > >after section of normal italic text gets converted to all italics and > >an italic word pasted in a section of normal words gets converted to > >normal. > > It might be possible to explain this with strange style/effect settings. > However... > > >Even more confusing is that trying to paste a word in a line gets put > >into the line above, but even that is not consistent. > > that wouldn't explain this. One possible explanation would be a corrupt > document. > > Bottom line I've no idea, it would be interesting for others to confirm > your experience. > > If it really is clipboard related the global clipboard setting in OP > choices may be relevant. > I deselected Global clipboard in Choices and editing worked OK the only thing that has changed was the Select upgrade (to 4.37) as it was working OK before that. Thanks for assistance and other comments as well!! Cheers -- Peter Prewett, Coromandel Valley, South Australia -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 21 19:10:16 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AB6sR-0002B6-FU-0002D0."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 19:10:16 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AB6sR-0002B6-FU; Sun, 19 Oct 2003 06:17:22 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AB6sR-0002B6-FU; Sun, 19 Oct 2003 06:17:19 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AB6sA-0007ay-P7; Sun, 19 Oct 2003 07:17:02 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h9J6Ggb29183 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 19 Oct 2003 07:16:42 +0100 Received: from mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.47]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h9J6Gc729170 for ; Sun, 19 Oct 2003 07:16:39 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [62.64.162.95] (helo=tiscali) by mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AB6rZ-000MMA-Gv for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 19 Oct 2003 07:16:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 07:08:59 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OP Clipboard Message-ID: <4c43b20222dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: References: <85eed3424c.pprewett@chariot.net.au> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.37) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , Peter Prewett wrote: > In message > David Pilling wrote: [Snip] > > > > If it really is clipboard related the global clipboard setting in OP > > choices may be relevant. > > > I deselected Global clipboard in Choices and editing worked OK the only > thing that has changed was the Select upgrade (to 4.37) as it was > working OK before that. > Thanks for assistance and other comments as well!! > Cheers This is all very well, but I need Global clipboard active as I often copy and paste things from other sources. Global clip in Publisher, Zap etc is not broken. GD -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 21 19:10:41 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ABEdr-0006sR-Ix-0004wp."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 19:10:41 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ABEdr-0006sR-Ix; Sun, 19 Oct 2003 17:56:24 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ABEdr-0006sR-Ix; Sun, 19 Oct 2003 14:34:47 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1ABENz-0002xp-On; Sun, 19 Oct 2003 15:18:23 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h9JEHni26645 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 19 Oct 2003 15:17:52 +0100 Received: from server0027.freedom2surf.net (server0011.freedom2surf.net [194.106.56.14]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h9JEHcP26561 for ; Sun, 19 Oct 2003 15:17:39 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from wallace ([195.137.110.177]) by server0027.freedom2surf.net (8.12.6/8.12.6/Debian-7) with ESMTP id h9JEHaEL015031 for ; Sun, 19 Oct 2003 14:17:37 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Brian Carroll To: DP Products News Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 15:16:28 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] SyncDiscs - date/time used for comparison Message-ID: <4c43dea38dbric@f2s.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.37) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Through a thread in the RISC OS Select mail list, 'Select 3 CD datetime stamps??' I have been investigating the way stamps are retained during copying. There is an anomaly with Applications in that different stamps are returned by the Filer and by *Ex which could have an implication for the comparisons done by !SyncDiscs. This does not occur for files or directories. I would be grateful for David's or anyone else's comments on the following extract from my posting to the thread quoted above: ---------------------------------------------------------------- [Snip] I have had a closer look at this anomaly. I used a small directory containing an application, 2 ordinary directories and a zip file, that I know has been lying untouched in the downloads directory of my primary disc for at least 2 years. I have copied the contents of the directory afresh into newly-created directories on the primary and on the secondary disc. I then compared the information shown by Filer -> Full_info and by *Ex in a Task window. I find there is a difference in the information presented for /Applications/ but not for files or directories: File : the new file retains the original date/time Directory : the new directory is date/time stamped at copy- time Application : the new application is date/time stamped at copy- time when viewed using *EX but the original date/ time is retained when viewed in Filer -> Full_info This behaviour is the same in RO v4.02, v4.33 and v4.37; so it is not a new phenomenon introduced by Select versions. The intriguing question is where the two different date/time stamps are stored in an application-directory and which one is used by, for example, the 'Newer' function. Comments, anyone? I intend to ask David Pilling which date/time stamps are used by his !SyncDiscs, which has worked OK for me on all the RO v4.xx versions mentioned above, so I do not now think it can be the cause of the booting problem I mentioned in another thread. [Snip] ---------------------------------------------------------------- Brian. -- ______________________________________________________________ Brian Carroll, Ripon, North Yorkshire, UK bric at f2s dot com ______________________________________________________________ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 21 19:11:28 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ABUqV-0006IZ-GT-0006NN."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 19:11:28 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ABUqV-0006IZ-GT; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 07:52:58 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ABUqV-0006IZ-GT; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 07:52:55 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1ABUq8-0003S7-8H; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 08:52:32 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h9K7pOn02356 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 08:51:24 +0100 Received: from mail.chariot.net.au (mail.chariot.net.au [203.87.95.38]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h9K7pFd02316 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 08:51:17 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from localhost (ppp-223.cust203-87-112.ghr.chariot.net.au [203.87.112.223]) by mail.chariot.net.au (Postfix) with SMTP id 9216D60FBA for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 17:21:10 +0930 (CST) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 17:08:44 +0830 From: Peter Prewett To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] Transparencies in OP Message-ID: <248e43444c.pprewett@chariot.net.au> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (MsgServe/2.02) (RISC-OS/4.37) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Is it possible to create levels of transparencies in OP? I was trying to import a Vantage document which included a section of the object being partly transparent without success in fact it would not import anything from Vantage unless I saved it as a selection. Cheers -- Peter Prewett, Coromandel Valley, South Australia -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 21 19:12:44 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ABvLd-00001P-Do-00003K."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 19:12:44 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ABvLd-00001P-Do; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 12:10:50 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ABvLd-00001P-Do; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 12:10:49 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1ABvLS-0004Rs-S2; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 13:10:38 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h9LCA5x31278 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 13:10:05 +0100 Received: from mailout.zetnet.co.uk (mailout.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.47.231]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h9LCA0U31245 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 13:10:01 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from bts-0211.dialup.zetnet.co.uk ([194.247.48.211] helo=zetnet.co.uk) by mailout.zetnet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1ABvKp-0004w5-00 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 13:10:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Michael M Martin To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 13:09:20 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Problem when printing Message-ID: <4c44daac10mmartin@zetnet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.04) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Has any one noticed when you start a print with Ovation Pro v2.72 the progress bar what is in the print window no longer works. But the old version works with no problem. Best Regards, Mick -- |^^^^ Michael Martin ^^^^^ mmartin@zetnet.co.uk ^^^|Using Kinetic RiscPC| | * http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/mmartin/fifepits/ *| Email and News by | | ^^^ http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/mmartin/sign/ ^^^| !Pluto | |======== Risc OS Virus Free =========|===With RISC OS 4===| -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 21 19:12:51 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AByUh-0005xJ-FQ-00059Y."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 19:12:51 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AByUh-0005xJ-FQ; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 15:43:35 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AByUh-0005xJ-FQ; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 15:32:23 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AByUH-0005hp-LD; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 16:31:57 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h9LFVKA26061 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 16:31:21 +0100 Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h9LFVEW25994 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 16:31:14 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [213.116.60.96] (helo=Art) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AByTX-0008DW-V2 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 16:31:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Gavin Crawford To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 16:27:27 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Problem when printing Message-ID: <4c44eccf57gav@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4c44daac10mmartin@zetnet.co.uk> References: <4c44daac10mmartin@zetnet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4c44daac10mmartin@zetnet.co.uk>, Michael M Martin wrote: > Has any one noticed when you start a print with Ovation Pro v2.72 > the progress bar what is in the print window no longer works. It does here. Although it only moves for each page that is imaged, i.e. when printing 1 copy of a single page the bar never moves, but when printing a 20 page document it jumps after each page. > But the old version works with no problem. I hadn't noticed any change, I thought it has always done it as I described above, but I could be wrong. -- Gavin Crawford email: gav@crawford-print.co.uk web: www.crawford-print.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 21 20:38:24 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AC2Kd-0004Pi-CD-0004S3."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 20:38:24 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AC2Kd-0004Pi-CD; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 19:38:17 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AC2Kd-0004Pi-CD; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 19:38:15 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AC2KS-0004EY-Mf; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 20:38:04 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h9LJbd023143 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 20:37:39 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h9LJbQB23076 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 20:37:27 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AC2Jq-000JQd-0W for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 20:37:26 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 20:36:00 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SyncDiscs - date/time used for comparison References: <4c43dea38dbric@f2s.com> In-Reply-To: <4c43dea38dbric@f2s.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >From: Brian Carroll >To: DP Products News In article <4c43dea38dbric@f2s.com>, Brian Carroll wrote: [Snip] > I then compared the information shown by Filer -> Full_info > and by *Ex in a Task window. I find there is a difference in > the information presented for /Applications/ but not for files > or directories: > File : the new file retains the original date/time > Directory : the new directory is date/time stamped at copy- > time > Application : the new application is date/time stamped at > copy- time when viewed using *EX but the > original date/ time is retained when viewed > in Filer -> Full_info > This behaviour is the same in RO v4.02, v4.33 and v4.37; so it > is not a new phenomenon introduced by Select versions. David Ruck has informed me that RISC OS has always behaved like this! The data/time for applications shown in the filer is that of the !RunImage if there is one, but *Ex appears to treat applications and directories the same. > The intriguing question is where the two different date/time > stamps are stored ... etc There's no double storage, just code in Filer to look for a !RunImage. > I intend to ask David Pilling which date/time stamps are used > by his !SyncDiscs, which has worked OK for me on all the RO > v4.xx versions mentioned above,... I would like to know the answer to this, please, David. Brian. -- ______________________________________________________________ Brian Carroll, Ripon, North Yorkshire, UK bric at f2s dot com ______________________________________________________________ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 21 20:48:25 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AC2Kx-00065h-IW-000678."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 20:48:25 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AC2Kx-00065h-IW; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 19:38:37 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AC2Kx-00065h-IW; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 19:38:35 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AC2Kv-0004Gc-6p; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 20:38:33 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h9LJcHZ23386 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 20:38:17 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h9LJc7H23317 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 20:38:07 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AC2KU-000JU1-0W for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 20:38:06 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 20:37:05 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] ArcFax on broadband? References: <248e43444c.pprewett@chariot.net.au> In-Reply-To: <248e43444c.pprewett@chariot.net.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 17:57:15 +0100 >From: george Is it possible to use ArcFax with a broadband internet connection? If not, can I continue using my dialup modem connected to the phone socket via the filter on the broadband router cable, and if so, do any settings need to be changed. (I have tried this and failed to receive a fax, but that could have been due to a problem at the sending end possibly). Thanks -- George PS please note new email address (george.greenfield@tiscali.co.uk). ----- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 21 21:58:28 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AC3W2-0007jt-EX-0007lD."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 21:58:28 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AC3W2-0007jt-EX; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 20:54:07 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AC3W2-0007jt-EX; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 20:54:06 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AC3VA-0007EY-Dr; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 21:53:12 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h9LKr3n20570 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 21:53:03 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h9LKr3w20567 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 21:53:03 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AC3V0-000M2g-0V for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 21:53:02 +0100 Message-ID: <+xY3iSHcxZl$EwYj@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 21:51:40 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] ArcFax on broadband? References: <248e43444c.pprewett@chariot.net.au> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Is it possible to use ArcFax with a broadband internet connection? Not in a direct way. You can connect up your old analogue modem in the same way you connect up a phone i.e. on the low frequency side of the filter and use ArcFax with it. The only direct way would be to find a service on the internet that sends faxes for you. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 21 21:58:29 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AC3Xr-0003jt-CC-0003ls."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 21:58:29 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AC3Xr-0003jt-CC; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 20:56:01 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AC3Xr-0003jt-CC; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 20:55:59 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AC3Xl-0007aB-PF; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 21:55:53 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h9LKtoa21061 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 21:55:50 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h9LKtoP21056 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 21:55:50 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AC3Xh-000C0B-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 21:55:49 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 21:54:16 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SyncDiscs - date/time used for comparison References: <4c43dea38dbric@f2s.com> In-Reply-To: <4c43dea38dbric@f2s.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >I would be grateful for David's or anyone else's comments on the >following extract from my posting to the thread quoted above: As you've said the thing is that for !app folders the time stamp on the !RunImage is displayed. For SyncDiscs time stamps on folders don't matter anyway. You're not going to copy a folder because its time stamp is different to another one - you look at the files in the folder. Anyway SyncDiscs treats !app folders just like ordinary ones. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 21 21:58:29 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AC3YZ-00053H-7y-00054M."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 21:58:29 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AC3YZ-00053H-7y; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 20:56:44 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AC3YZ-00053H-7y; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 20:56:43 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AC3YJ-0000BU-SO; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 21:56:27 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h9LKuPU21245 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 21:56:25 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h9LKuP921241 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 21:56:25 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AC3YG-000C3N-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 21:56:24 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 21:55:01 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Transparencies in OP References: <248e43444c.pprewett@chariot.net.au> In-Reply-To: <248e43444c.pprewett@chariot.net.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Is it possible to create levels of transparencies in OP? No. Although perhaps it is possible in ArtWorks files? -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 21 23:14:12 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AC4bX-0003X5-8T-0003Xu."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 23:14:12 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AC4bX-0003X5-8T; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 22:03:52 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AC4bX-0003X5-8T; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 22:03:51 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AC4Zn-00078L-CM; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 23:02:03 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h9LM1o509735 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 23:01:50 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h9LM1gM09649 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 23:01:43 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from lowrys.demon.co.uk ([62.49.21.208] helo=Ralph) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AC4ZQ-0001dd-0X for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 23:01:40 +0100 Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 22:15:51 +0100 From: Ian Lowry To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] ArcFax on broadband? Message-ID: <02b50c454c.Ian@lowrys.demon.co.uk> References: <248e43444c.pprewett@chariot.net.au> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Matchstick User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05S) (RISC-OS/4.37) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message David Pilling wrote: > >Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 17:57:15 +0100 > >From: george > > Is it possible to use ArcFax with a broadband internet connection? > Not directly, but look at www.efax.co.uk and similar services Hwyl Ian [snip] -- It's a mistake to let mechanical object know you are in a hurry. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Oct 22 18:20:10 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ACKi7-0001VC-EW-0001aD."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 18:20:10 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ACKi7-0001VC-EW; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 15:15:46 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ACKi7-0001VC-EW; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 15:15:43 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1ACKhb-0000n9-OR; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 16:15:11 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h9MFEUX17347 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 16:14:30 +0100 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.187]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h9MFET417336 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 16:14:29 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.161] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1ACKgu-0006GW-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 17:14:28 +0200 Received: from [172.176.219.139] (helo=bach) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1ACKgt-0003hw-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 17:14:28 +0200 Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 17:13:36 +0200 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Transparencies in OP Message-ID: References: <248e43444c.pprewett@chariot.net.au> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.70a (MsgServe/2.10) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message David Pilling wrote: > >Is it possible to create levels of transparencies in OP? > > No. > > Although perhaps it is possible in ArtWorks files? Ah, good trick. Let someone else deal with it. :-) If AWRender (the ArtWorks renderer module) was upgraded to include the functionality of the Crystal module, which it currently does not, then ArtWorks files with transparency could be rendered inside OvationPro documents. Please note that even this would not mean that you could see underlying *OvationPro* graphics (OvationPro text or graphics frames or graphical objects) partially transparent through ArtWorks object - even an upgraded AWRender could only display transparency *within* the ArtWorks file, so the behaviour would be as if an opaque piece of paper was inserted between the ArtWorks file and the OvationPro document (at least at places where there are ArtWorks objects, the background of the ArtWorks file could still be fully transparent). Overlaying ArtWorks graphics transparently over OvationPro graphics, would require significant cooperation of OvationPro as well - otherwise PostScript printing could never work. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Oct 22 18:20:21 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ACLYd-0006rA-GU-0006uD."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 18:20:21 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ACLYd-0006rA-GU; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 16:10:01 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ACLYd-0006rA-GU; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 16:09:59 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1ACLY2-0002wC-U6; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 17:09:22 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h9MG9AA07572 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 17:09:10 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h9MG95K07543 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 17:09:05 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([158.152.204.98]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1ACLXk-000BYf-0Y for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 17:09:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 16:51:48 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Transparencies in OP Message-ID: <4c4572e013john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <248e43444c.pprewett@chariot.net.au> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03g (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 22 Oct, Martin Wuerthner wrote: > In message David Pilling > wrote: > > >Is it possible to create levels of transparencies in OP? > > > > No. > > > > Although perhaps it is possible in ArtWorks files? > Ah, good trick. Let someone else deal with it. :-) > If AWRender (the ArtWorks renderer module) was upgraded to include the > functionality of the Crystal module, which it currently does not, then > ArtWorks files with transparency could be rendered inside OvationPro > documents. Is this: impossible; it will take too long; on the list to be done; probably in the next update; you can download the upgrade next week? > Please note that even this would not mean that you could see > underlying *OvationPro* graphics (OvationPro text or graphics frames or > graphical objects) partially transparent through ArtWorks object - even > an upgraded AWRender could only display transparency *within* the > ArtWorks file, so the behaviour would be as if an opaque piece of paper > was inserted between the ArtWorks file and the OvationPro document (at > least at places where there are ArtWorks objects, the background of the > ArtWorks file could still be fully transparent). > Overlaying ArtWorks graphics transparently over OvationPro graphics, > would require significant cooperation of OvationPro as well - otherwise > PostScript printing could never work. Possible? Likely? -- John Cartmell john@cartmell.demon.co.uk FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 Acorn Publisher magazine & FD Games www.acornpublisher.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Oct 22 23:20:19 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ACRKy-0001M7-HW-0001OL."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 23:20:19 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ACRKy-0001M7-HW; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 22:20:18 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ACRKy-0001M7-HW; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 22:20:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1ACRKf-0007KK-4p; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 23:19:57 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h9MMJkI04361 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 23:19:46 +0100 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.183]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h9MMJia04350 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 23:19:45 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.205] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1ACRKS-0005Um-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 00:19:44 +0200 Received: from [213.6.48.206] (helo=bach) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1ACRKS-0002BA-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 00:19:44 +0200 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 00:15:07 +0200 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Transparencies in OP Message-ID: References: <248e43444c.pprewett@chariot.net.au> <4c4572e013john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4c4572e013john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.70a (MsgServe/2.10) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4c4572e013john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> John Cartmell wrote: > On 22 Oct, Martin Wuerthner wrote: > > If AWRender (the ArtWorks renderer module) was upgraded to include the > > functionality of the Crystal module, which it currently does not, then > > ArtWorks files with transparency could be rendered inside OvationPro > > documents. > Is this: > impossible; > it will take too long; > on the list to be done; > probably in the next update; > you can download the upgrade next week? "on the list to be done" is certainly the closest. :-) It is of course possible - Crystal in ArtWorks does it, so AWRender can do it as well. "Next week" - certainly not, not even next month or before the end of the year. Finally, it might have to be a chargeable upgrade. > > Overlaying ArtWorks graphics transparently over OvationPro graphics, > > would require significant cooperation of OvationPro as well - > > otherwise PostScript printing could never work. > Possible? > Likely? Possible but not very likely. It would require a lot of extra effort on top of that needed for Crystal rendering in order to extend the AWRender interface, which would be utterly wasted if then nobody used the extended interface (and realistically, David would be the only candidate at the moment). However, these two steps can be done one after another, so first of all, AWRender has to be upgraded to support transparency. This will probably happen eventually but there are other things first (the printer driver project, and maybe ArtWorks 2.2.). Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Oct 23 01:06:10 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ACSzA-00078S-DN-0007Ec."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 01:06:10 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ACSzA-00078S-DN; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 00:05:56 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ACSzA-00078S-DN; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 00:05:52 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1ACSz1-00030Y-EV; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 01:05:43 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h9N05HN30416 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 01:05:17 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.87]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h9N057K30379 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 01:05:08 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from south-frm.demon.co.uk ([80.177.26.219] helo=greatest) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1ACSyR-000Bs2-0b for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 01:05:07 +0100 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 01:04:21 +0100 From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Transparencies in OP Message-ID: <55f89f454c.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> References: <248e43444c.pprewett@chariot.net.au> <4c4572e013john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message of 22 Oct, Martin Wuerthner wrote: > However, these two steps can be done one after another, so first of all, > AWRender has to be upgraded to support transparency. This will probably > happen eventually but there are other things first (the printer driver > project, Yes, yes, yes! And please, please, please. > and maybe ArtWorks 2.2.). Put it on the back burner. -- Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Oct 23 01:35:27 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ACTRS-0001Lr-81-0001PC."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 01:35:27 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ACTRS-0001Lr-81; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 00:35:08 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ACTRS-0001Lr-81; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 00:35:06 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1ACTRM-0005Wt-BT; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 01:35:00 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h9N0YmG04505 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 01:34:48 +0100 Received: from mail.chariot.net.au (mail.chariot.net.au [203.87.95.38]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h9N0Yhg04492 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 01:34:44 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from localhost (ppp-114.cust203-87-123.ghr.chariot.net.au [203.87.123.114]) by mail.chariot.net.au (Postfix) with SMTP id D00BD62118 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 10:04:32 +0930 (CST) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 10:03:28 +0830 From: Peter Prewett To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Transparencies in OP Message-ID: References: <248e43444c.pprewett@chariot.net.au> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (MsgServe/2.02) (RISC-OS/4.37) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message David Pilling wrote: > > >Is it possible to create levels of transparencies in OP? > > No. > > Although perhaps it is possible in ArtWorks files? > Is it planned to import transparencies etc. into Ovation Pro from Vantage? Cheers -- Peter Prewett, Coromandel Valley, South Australia -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Oct 23 02:13:44 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ACTnv-0007bN-9e-0002s2."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 02:13:44 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ACTnv-0007bN-9e; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 01:13:25 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ACTnv-0007bN-9e; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 00:58:20 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1ACTnj-0004qy-ID; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 01:58:07 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h9N0vnC08958 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 01:57:49 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h9N0vgb08939 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 01:57:42 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1ACTnJ-000F9T-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 01:57:41 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 01:56:11 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Transparencies in OP References: <248e43444c.pprewett@chariot.net.au> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Is it planned to import transparencies etc. into Ovation Pro from >Vantage? Unlikely. Once, long ago, we talked of supporting Vantage rendering, I doubt this will come to pass now in Ovation Pro. Of course the idea of a replacement DrawFile module which would automagically let most apps (not OP) render Vantage files may happen. As Martin has said the trouble is not so much rendering transparency to screen, it is how you render to things like PostScript printers. I wonder if things would be easier if it was limited to bitmap printers? Interesting to see such interest. I seriously looked into transparency in OP around January 2000, and I didn't see it as that popular. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Oct 23 13:26:34 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ACbMz-0006rQ-3i-0006Lj."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 13:26:34 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ACbMz-0006rQ-3i; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 09:13:27 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ACbMz-0006rQ-3i; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 09:03:01 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1ACbMp-00038S-Ik; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 10:02:51 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h9N920x00675 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 10:02:02 +0100 Received: from server0027.freedom2surf.net (server0027.freedom2surf.net [194.106.33.36]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h9N91nx00552 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 10:01:50 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from wallace ([195.137.110.177]) by server0027.freedom2surf.net (8.12.6/8.12.6/Debian-7) with ESMTP id h9N91kR7022280 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 09:01:47 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Brian Carroll To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 09:58:59 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Transparencies in OP Message-ID: <4c45d0ea6bbric@f2s.com> In-Reply-To: References: <248e43444c.pprewett@chariot.net.au> <4c4572e013john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.37) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , Martin Wuerthner wrote: [Snip] > Possible but not very likely. It would require a lot of extra > effort on top of that needed for Crystal rendering in order to > extend the AWRender interface, which would be utterly wasted > if then nobody used the extended interface (and realistically, > David would be the only candidate at the moment). What about the new Impression version to be worked on by Paul Reuvers? Brian. -- ______________________________________________________________ Brian Carroll, Ripon, North Yorkshire, UK bric at f2s dot com ______________________________________________________________ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Oct 23 18:30:45 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ACjFw-00012C-I8-0003u2."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 18:30:45 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ACjFw-00012C-I8; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 17:30:21 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ACjFw-00012C-I8; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 17:28:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1ACjFF-0007y6-Bt; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 18:27:33 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h9NHR0Z14213 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 18:27:01 +0100 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.186]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h9NHQX814043 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 18:26:34 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.205] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1ACjEG-0005lk-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 19:26:32 +0200 Received: from [213.6.49.46] (helo=bach) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1ACjEF-0002p7-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 19:26:31 +0200 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 19:26:35 +0200 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Transparencies in OP Message-ID: <6d63ff454c.martin@mw-software.com> References: <248e43444c.pprewett@chariot.net.au> <4c4572e013john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4c45d0ea6bbric@f2s.com> In-Reply-To: <4c45d0ea6bbric@f2s.com> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.70a (MsgServe/2.10) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4c45d0ea6bbric@f2s.com> Brian Carroll wrote: > In article , Martin Wuerthner > wrote: > > [Snip] > > > Possible but not very likely. It would require a lot of extra > > effort on top of that needed for Crystal rendering in order to > > extend the AWRender interface, which would be utterly wasted > > if then nobody used the extended interface (and realistically, > > David would be the only candidate at the moment). > > What about the new Impression version to be worked on by Paul > Reuvers? Yes, that is why I wrote "at the moment". I gather there is still a lot of work to do for Paul to create a 32-bit version. Still, transforming any application to allow AWRender to render transparently onto its graphics is a major task. I am not too sure how many users actually need to be able to render an ArtWorks file with its various transparency effects over OvationPro graphics like text frames. I guess, most users would be happy enough if the imported ArtWorks file was rendered with its transparency effects within the file - so, at least the illustration looks like in ArtWorks 2 with transparency switched on. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Oct 23 19:07:01 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ACjBc-0000ud-CA-0005AU."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 19:07:01 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ACjBc-0000ud-CA; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 18:06:52 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ACjBc-0000ud-CA; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 17:23:48 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1ACjB8-00013x-OW; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 18:23:18 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h9NHLJU12506 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 18:21:19 +0100 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.185]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h9NHLHZ12492 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 18:21:17 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.205] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1ACj9A-0001e4-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 19:21:16 +0200 Received: from [213.6.49.46] (helo=bach) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1ACj9A-0002DY-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 19:21:16 +0200 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 19:21:15 +0200 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Transparencies in OP Message-ID: <63e6fe454c.martin@mw-software.com> References: <248e43444c.pprewett@chariot.net.au> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.70a (MsgServe/2.10) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message David Pilling wrote: > >Is it planned to import transparencies etc. into Ovation Pro from > >Vantage? > > Unlikely. Once, long ago, we talked of supporting Vantage rendering, I > doubt this will come to pass now in Ovation Pro. Of course the idea of a > replacement DrawFile module which would automagically let most apps (not > OP) render Vantage files may happen. > > As Martin has said the trouble is not so much rendering transparency to > screen, it is how you render to things like PostScript printers. ArtWorks with Crystal can print to PostScript printers but this was very tricky to get right. A Crystal-enhanced AWRender could print ArtWorks files embedded in OP files to both bitmap and PostScript without any problems. However, in order to overlay ArtWorks graphics on OP graphics and print that to PS, OP would have to have to be upgraded to use the same printing technology as Crystal, which I cannot see happening. > I wonder if things would be easier if it was limited to bitmap printers? Unfortunately, this would not help that much. Depending on the strip type being used, it may be difficult to compute the transparency effects reliably. In fact, no, it cannot work for greyscale printing - only for Mix transparency because the transparency operators for Bleach and Stained glass do not work on the greyscale colours. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Oct 23 19:55:24 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ACk9u-0003Pv-8O-0003I2."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 19:55:24 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ACk9u-0003Pv-8O; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 18:54:42 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ACk9u-0003Pv-8O; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 18:26:06 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1ACk92-0003ks-Ed; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 19:25:12 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h9NHVEn15629 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 18:31:14 +0100 Received: from scrabble.freeuk.net (scrabble.freeuk.net [212.126.144.29]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h9NHV9i15604 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 18:31:09 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from du-008-0164.freeuk.com ([195.8.75.164] helo=freeuk) by scrabble.freeuk.net with smtp (Exim 4.22) id 1ACjIh-00021E-SH for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 18:31:08 +0100 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 18:30:00 +0100 From: Denys Wells To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] Further problem with JPEG in OPro Message-ID: <6db3ff454c.dmw@denyswells.freeuk.com,dwells@argonet.co.uk> References: <589f993e4c.peter@iyonix.earley.fourcom.com> <7lP2XPFRTdh$Ew5W@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <7lP2XPFRTdh$Ew5W@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/4.37) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) After version 2.67a cured the problem of OPro not handling JPEG's properly I had no further problems, until now. When I drop a JPEG exported from !DPlngScan after scanning a colour photo (about 7.5 x 9.5 inches, at 400x400 dpi, 24 bit) it loads OK and prints OK (BJC-7100), but when I try to use 'Picture -- Process' that fails because of not enough memory. The JPEG (85%) is under 1Mb. If I convert the same JPEG to Sprite (size now 44Mb), and drop it back to OPro, Picture--Process works fine. Has anyone else had this problem, and if so is there any known solution? (My JPEG's ex digital camera, also about 1Mb, still process OK in OPro). I thought at first the 400x400 scan resolution might be the problem (this was shown in OPro's Picture--info), but the same file converted from the sprite back to JPEG was now 90x90 dpi, and that JPEG still did not work. I use Kinetic RPC, 128Mb RAM, Select 4.37. -- Denys Wells -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Oct 23 21:51:22 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ACktk-0004Wi-Db-0001ke."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 21:51:22 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ACktk-0004Wi-Db; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 20:51:12 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ACktk-0004Wi-Db; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 19:13:28 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1ACksz-0000Xi-LV; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 20:12:41 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h9NJCa711140 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 20:12:36 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.87]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h9NJCYY11128 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 20:12:34 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1ACksr-000I4O-0b for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 20:12:34 +0100 Message-ID: <1LrVcGBefCm$Ewzc@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 20:11:26 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Further problem with JPEG in OPro References: <589f993e4c.peter@iyonix.earley.fourcom.com> <7lP2XPFRTdh$Ew5W@pilling.demon.co.uk> <6db3ff454c.dmw@denyswells.freeuk.com> In-Reply-To: <6db3ff454c.dmw@denyswells.freeuk.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >After version 2.67a cured the problem of OPro not handling JPEG's properly I >had no further problems, until now. Is using the latest version 2.72 out of the question? Means you'd have to install the 32 bit C library. Incidentally, I've now encountered Justin Fletcher's StubsG which would let me produce a 32 bit compatible version of OP that would run on 'old' machines i.e. with no need to change the C library. It's all rather neat. >dpi, 24 bit) it loads OK and prints OK (BJC-7100), but when I try to use >'Picture -- Process' that fails because of not enough memory. Might be interesting to know which version of the Colour Supplement applet you have, I suspect this was a bug in older ones. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Oct 23 23:28:13 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ACmJZ-0001E8-G1-00070j."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 23:28:13 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ACmJZ-0001E8-G1; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 22:27:22 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ACmJZ-0001E8-G1; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 20:44:13 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1ACmIt-0005cf-Fo; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 21:43:31 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h9NKhJZ06457 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 21:43:19 +0100 Received: from mk-smarthost-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.40]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h9NKhH706446 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 21:43:17 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [62.64.200.103] (helo=tiscali) by mk-smarthost-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1ACmIf-0006ug-QO for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 21:43:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 21:39:23 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OP Clipboard Message-ID: <4c46110a3ddfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4c43b20222dfs@ukgateway.net> References: <4c43b20222dfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.37) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Has anyone yet fathomed out yet why the OVPro global clipboard is knackered, and what can, or is being done about it. No I don't want it switched off in Choices, thank you. Cheers Dave S -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 24 00:02:29 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ACoAK-0000uy-5I-00010j."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 00:02:29 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ACoAK-0000uy-5I; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 23:01:47 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ACoAK-0000uy-5I; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 22:42:48 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1ACo9G-0008Am-0Z; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 23:41:42 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h9NMfHe07736 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 23:41:17 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h9NMf9c07697 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 23:41:10 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1ACo8j-0009y1-0V for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 23:41:09 +0100 Message-ID: <$cDnZYC$iFm$EwiU@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 23:39:59 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP Clipboard References: <4c43b20222dfs@ukgateway.net> <4c46110a3ddfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4c46110a3ddfs@ukgateway.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Has anyone yet fathomed out yet why the OVPro global clipboard is >knackered, and what can, or is being done about it. Do I gather correctly this only happens under Select? I dimly recall some enhancement to the clipboard in Select, is that right? -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 24 13:44:30 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ACtRt-0006YI-7d-0006Za."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:44:30 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ACtRt-0006YI-7d; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 04:21:18 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ACtRt-0006YI-7d; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 04:21:17 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1ACrGf-0003EF-Ud; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 03:01:34 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h9O20Xu17688 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 03:00:33 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h9O20Jc17610 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 03:00:21 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1ACrFR-000Fs7-0X for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 03:00:17 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 02:58:39 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Further problem with JPEG in OPro References: <589f993e4c.peter@iyonix.earley.fourcom.com> <7lP2XPFRTdh$Ew5W@pilling.demon.co.uk> <6db3ff454c.dmw@denyswells.freeuk.com> <1LrVcGBefCm$Ewzc@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <1LrVcGBefCm$Ewzc@pilling.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Might be interesting to know which version of the Colour Supplement >applet you have, I suspect this was a bug in older ones. And of course you can't just breeze over to my web site and get the latest version because that is 32 bit only... so won't work with 2.67. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 24 13:44:37 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ACx4c-0007U3-Eb-0007Vh."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:44:37 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ACx4c-0007U3-Eb; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 08:13:31 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ACx4c-0007U3-Eb; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 08:13:30 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1ACx3N-0001et-Rm; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 09:12:13 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h9O8C0a29637 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 09:12:00 +0100 Received: from carbon.btinternet.com (carbon.btinternet.com [194.73.73.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h9O8BvI29624 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 09:11:58 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from host217-43-51-72.range217-43.btcentralplus.com ([217.43.51.72] helo=brian) by carbon.btinternet.com with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #23) id 1ACx36-0002D0-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 09:11:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Brian Jordan To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 09:11:03 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP Clipboard Message-ID: <4c46505d01Brian_and_Jennie@drood68.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <$cDnZYC$iFm$EwiU@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <4c43b20222dfs@ukgateway.net> <4c46110a3ddfs@ukgateway.net> <$cDnZYC$iFm$EwiU@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.37) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 23 Oct, David Pilling wrote: > >Has anyone yet fathomed out yet why the OVPro global clipboard is > >knackered, and what can, or is being done about it. > Do I gather correctly this only happens under Select? > I dimly recall some enhancement to the clipboard in Select, is that > right? On 17th October I posted the following: ********** > Using OP 2.71 here... I can confirm this behaviour not only in Select > 4.37 but in all versions of Select 3. I have just had a little play, > softloading various flavours of Select and running OP. Pasting from the > OP clipboard retained formatting up to Select2i3 (18 Nov 2002) - was > that 4.33? > Interesting to note that anything cut from a document reaches the > clipboard with formatting intact (Cut some formatted text and Ctrl-B to > look at the clipboard) but loses it in the pasting. > Select 3 saw the introduction of cutting and pasting text from icons, > presumably some connection? > Hopefully I am now posting from my subscribed address and this will > reach the list. And the solution is in Ovation Pro Choices... Go to "General" and ensure there is no tick in the "Global clipboard" box. Cut and paste from other (non OPro) documents is of course now disabled so this is a workround and not a fix. ********** -- ______________________________________________________________________ Brian Jordan >From somewhere in North Hampshire. England ______________________________________________________________________ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 24 13:54:23 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AD1Rt-0007lX-6N-0007mW."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:54:23 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AD1Rt-0007lX-6N; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 12:53:50 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AD1Rt-0007lX-6N; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 12:53:49 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AD1Rg-0006Yv-7V; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:53:36 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h9OCrAQ24890 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:53:10 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h9OCr8U24865 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:53:09 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AD1RC-000GFh-0X for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:53:06 +0100 Message-ID: <0r1V05AlBSm$EwxS@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:51:49 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP Clipboard References: <4c43b20222dfs@ukgateway.net> <4c46110a3ddfs@ukgateway.net> <$cDnZYC$iFm$EwiU@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c46505d01Brian_and_Jennie@drood68.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4c46505d01Brian_and_Jennie@drood68.freeserve.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >> I dimly recall some enhancement to the clipboard in Select, is that >> right? >On 17th October I posted the following: >> Select 3 saw the introduction of cutting and pasting text from icons, >> presumably some connection? Doesn't really sound like the sort of thing which would mess up the cb operation for other applications. The most likely thing is that they've changed the actual way the cb works, although that new way may be within the spec. OP may not like it. My other thought is that it would be interesting to see a document after some cb text is pasted, the idea being that the cb may be pasting in some control codes. If you are testing this you'd set off with an empty document. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 24 20:07:33 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AD7Gx-0005Z9-I7-0005dF."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 20:07:33 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AD7Gx-0005Z9-I7; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 19:06:59 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AD7Gx-0005Z9-I7; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 19:06:55 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AD7Gt-0007hu-1m; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 20:06:51 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h9OJ6Tw18827 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 20:06:29 +0100 Received: from mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.37]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h9OJ6TY18823 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 20:06:29 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [62.64.160.103] (helo=tiscali) by mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AD7GV-000Oen-M2 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 20:06:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 10:22:47 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] OP Clipboard Message-ID: <4c4656ee69dfs@ukgateway.net> References: <4c43b20222dfs@ukgateway.net> <4c46110a3ddfs@ukgateway.net> <$cDnZYC$iFm$EwiU@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <$cDnZYC$iFm$EwiU@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.37) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,DATE_IN_PAST_06_12,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <$cDnZYC$iFm$EwiU@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >Has anyone yet fathomed out yet why the OVPro global clipboard is > >knackered, and what can, or is being done about it. > Do I gather correctly this only happens under Select? > I dimly recall some enhancement to the clipboard in Select, is that > right? Apparently so, and only the recent version of Select. For example OVPro under Select 2i3 with Clipboardholder 0.13 works correctly. But OVPro under Select 3i3 and ClipboardHolder 0.14 doesn't. Dave S -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 24 21:02:00 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AD88E-0006dM-IV-0006ea."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 21:02:00 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AD88E-0006dM-IV; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 20:01:59 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AD88E-0006dM-IV; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 20:01:58 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AD880-0004Ps-1F; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 21:01:44 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h9OK1aE32218 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 21:01:36 +0100 Received: from mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.38]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h9OK1Zt32208 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 21:01:35 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [62.64.209.59] (helo=tiscali) by mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AD87p-000DVF-3U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 21:01:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 21:01:10 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OP Clipboard Message-ID: <4c46916094dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <0r1V05AlBSm$EwxS@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <4c43b20222dfs@ukgateway.net> <4c46110a3ddfs@ukgateway.net> <$cDnZYC$iFm$EwiU@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c46505d01Brian_and_Jennie@drood68.freeserve.co.uk> <0r1V05AlBSm$EwxS@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.37) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <0r1V05AlBSm$EwxS@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >> I dimly recall some enhancement to the clipboard in Select, is that > >> right? > Doesn't really sound like the sort of thing which would mess up the cb > operation for other applications. > The most likely thing is that they've changed the actual way the cb > works, although that new way may be within the spec. OP may not like it. > My other thought is that it would be interesting to see a document after > some cb text is pasted, the idea being that the cb may be pasting in > some control codes. If you are testing this you'd set off with an empty > document. 'Tis a weird business all round. It's only a problem in OvPro, and if you open a clipboard window (Ctrl-B) the contents copied there are correct, it's only when pasting that the problem happens. On the simple sample I'm using. Mr Fred Bloggs [In Trinity Font] 23 Bloggy Gardens [In Revue Font] Somewhere [In Trinity Font] Over the Rainbow [In Dingbats font] Way Up High [In Trinity Font] Is copied to clipboard, pasted in and saved out as DDL then examined in Zap. With global clip Off we get... STORY_119={story {adduserstyle STYLE_01} "Mr Fred Bloggs" {newpara}{bold 0}{italic 0} FONT_c13 "23 Bloggy Gardens" {newpara}{bold}{italic}{font} "Somewhere" {newpara} FONT_60eb "Over the Rainbow " {newpara}{font} "Way Up High" {newpara}{newpara} "Mr Fred Bloggs" {newpara}{bold 0}{italic 0} FONT_c13 "23 Bloggy Gardens" {newpara}{bold}{italic}{font} "Somewhere" {newpara} FONT_60eb "Over the Rainbow " {newpara}{font} "Way Up High" {newpara}{endoftext} With global clip ON we get... STORY_119={story {adduserstyle STYLE_01} "Mr Fred Bloggs" {newpara}{bold 0}{italic 0} FONT_c13 "23 Bloggy Gardens" {newpara}{bold}{italic}{font} "Somewhere" {newpara} FONT_60eb "Over the Rainbow " {newpara}{font} "Way Up High" {newpara}{newpara} "Mr Fred Bloggs 23 Bloggy Gardens Somewhere Over the Rainbow Way Up High" {endoftext} } The pasting process has lost the newpara and font etc attributes. As I say, in the clipboard window, the copy presents correctly, then the paste looses it. Cheers Dave S -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 24 22:02:29 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AD94V-0005ZA-83-0005dI."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 22:02:29 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AD94V-0005ZA-83; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 21:02:13 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AD94V-0005ZA-83; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 21:02:11 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AD94S-0002kf-71; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 22:02:08 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h9OL21913368 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 22:02:01 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h9OL20v13352 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 22:02:00 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AD94K-000KJi-0W for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 22:02:00 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 22:00:43 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP Clipboard References: <4c43b20222dfs@ukgateway.net> <4c46110a3ddfs@ukgateway.net> <$cDnZYC$iFm$EwiU@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c46505d01Brian_and_Jennie@drood68.freeserve.co.uk> <0r1V05AlBSm$EwxS@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c46916094dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4c46916094dfs@ukgateway.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >The pasting process has lost the newpara and font etc attributes. >As I say, in the clipboard window, the copy presents correctly, then the >paste looses it. Sounds like OP sees the pasted text as type text and not type OP. There's probably scope there for trouble - in other words OP may be relying on being told the type when it could work it out, or maybe it is using data which is not guaranteed. There is also the possibility that something has been broken in the latest Select. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 24 22:10:34 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AD9Bk-0003PH-Fl-0003Rg."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 22:10:34 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AD9Bk-0003PH-Fl; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 21:09:43 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AD9Bk-0003PH-Fl; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 21:09:40 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AD9Bf-0006Qv-11; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 22:09:35 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h9OL9R615197 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 22:09:27 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h9OL9Q115191 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 22:09:26 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AD9BV-0006Ds-0Y for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 22:09:25 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 22:07:56 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] PostScript, Text in Draw files, Iyonix, OP References: <3F83CAED.7080408@netvision.net.il> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by svr1.spellings.net id h9OL9Q115193 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,IN_REP_TO,LINES_OF_YELLING,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, This thread started as a result of a question someone asked me, below is the crucial bit of an email he sent me today. =============================8<======================== > (1) Print to a non-PS printer, e.g. Sprinter, free off my web site. See > if the text vanishes on that. > > (2) Load OP and print immediately after boot, and use the appropriate > key press to ensure nothing else is loaded. From the module listing > there obviously are other programs you're loading. > Finally found time to do this. ad (1) I downloaded, installed and printed, the result is attached i.e. still te same problem. NOW FOR SOMETHING REALLY STRANGE: ad (2) I removed everything from Boot.LookAt and everything from Boot.Run Then the file printed OK!! Then I one by one put everything back in the order they were in and rebooted after each application that was put back After completing this I stayed with exactly the same bootsequence and every single time the file printed OK ===============================8<======================= -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Oct 25 00:11:10 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ADB5D-0006TN-9g-0006Um."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 00:11:10 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ADB5D-0006TN-9g; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 23:11:04 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ADB5D-0006TN-9g; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 23:11:03 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1ADB4r-0005F0-Cn; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 00:10:41 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h9ONAX711755 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 00:10:33 +0100 Received: from smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net (smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net [212.135.6.12]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h9ONAWQ11750 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 00:10:32 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from tnt-13-47.easynet.co.uk ([212.134.22.47] helo=miranda.philipnet.com) by smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 1ADB4h-000FUX-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 00:10:32 +0100 Received: from philipnet.com (gromit.philipnet.com [192.168.1.33]) by miranda.philipnet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C3D12C4F1 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 20:17:56 +0100 (BST) Received: from philip by philipnet.com with local (RemoteNB 1.54) for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; 24 Oct 2003 20:17:15 +0100 Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 20:17:13 +0100 From: Philip Ludlam To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP Clipboard Message-ID: <7e5a8d464c.philip@philipnet.com> References: <4c43b20222dfs@ukgateway.net> <4c46110a3ddfs@ukgateway.net> <$cDnZYC$iFm$EwiU@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c46505d01Brian_and_Jennie@drood68.freeserve.co.uk> <0r1V05AlBSm$EwxS@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <0r1V05AlBSm$EwxS@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (RemoteNB/1.54) (RISC-OS/4.37) X-Sender: Philip Ludlam X-Sender-URL: http://www.philipnet.com/ X-Editor: StrongED 4.66 (stable) X-Editor-URL: http://www.stronged.iconbar.com/ X-Desktop-Utility: Director X-Desktop-Utility-URL: http://director.sourceforge.net/ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 24 Oct, in message <0r1V05AlBSm$EwxS@pilling.demon.co.uk> David Pilling wrote: >>> I dimly recall some enhancement to the clipboard in Select, is that >>> right? >>On 17th October I posted the following: >>> Select 3 saw the introduction of cutting and pasting text from icons, >>> presumably some connection? > >Doesn't really sound like the sort of thing which would mess up the cb >operation for other applications. > >The most likely thing is that they've changed the actual way the cb >works, although that new way may be within the spec. OP may not like it. I remember a posting to the Select list (or was it somewhere else?) in which someone pointed the main change/changes in the clipboard process between pre-Select 3 and Select 3 (*). For me as a user of StrongED it means that if I copy something to the clipboard I can't use F8 in a dialogue box to input the contents of the clipboard, I have to use Ctrl+V under Select 3. (*) It was a reply stating the main actions under pre-Select 3 and the same for Select 3. IIRC it highlighted the fact that an action was being actioned earlier on in the sequence under Select 3 than previously. If someone can point me in the direction of the posting I am thinking of I would be very grateful. Thanks in advance. Yours, Phil L. -- http://www.philipnet.com http://director.sourceforge.net i ou a uea i e a o ie e a o a a oue oae -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 28 16:02:06 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ADRMV-0006RE-AZ-0006TE."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 16:02:06 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ADRMV-0006RE-AZ; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 16:34:01 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ADRMV-0006RE-AZ; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 16:33:59 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1ADRMO-0006KG-ET; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 17:33:52 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h9PGXK715031 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 17:33:20 +0100 Received: from scrabble.freeuk.net (scrabble.freeuk.net [212.126.144.29]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h9PGXD415000 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 17:33:14 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from du-007-0195.freeuk.com ([212.126.143.195] helo=freeuk) by scrabble.freeuk.net with smtp (Exim 4.22) id 1ADRLk-0006Ej-1T for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 17:33:12 +0100 Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 17:20:51 +0100 From: Denys Wells To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Further problem with JPEG in OPro Message-ID: References: <589f993e4c.peter@iyonix.earley.fourcom.com> <7lP2XPFRTdh$Ew5W@pilling.demon.co.uk> <6db3ff454c.dmw@denyswells.freeuk.com> <1LrVcGBefCm$Ewzc@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <1LrVcGBefCm$Ewzc@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/4.37) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <1LrVcGBefCm$Ewzc@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > >After version 2.67a cured the problem of OPro not handling JPEG's properly I > >had no further problems, until now. > > Is using the latest version 2.72 out of the question? Means you'd have > to install the 32 bit C library. > > Incidentally, I've now encountered Justin Fletcher's StubsG which would > let me produce a 32 bit compatible version of OP that would run on 'old' > machines i.e. with no need to change the C library. It's all rather > neat. > > >dpi, 24 bit) it loads OK and prints OK (BJC-7100), but when I try to use > >'Picture -- Process' that fails because of not enough memory. > > Might be interesting to know which version of the Colour Supplement > applet you have, I suspect this was a bug in older ones. > Sorry, I should have said I'm now using OPro 2.71 (12 Jul 03), containing !ColSupp major version 1, minor version 14, date 1 Mar 03: also !DPlngScan 1.18 (17 Oct02). I have had the new 32-bit C library for some time. Something else I've just realised is, using the above setup, 24-bit scans saved as sprites from !DPlngScan are saved as *32-bit*, confirmed by their file size, but shown, when opened in !Paint, as having 16M colours, ie 24-bit. I've tried changing 32 to 24 bit in !DPlngScan, which works internally (shown by reduced file size), but as soon as the sprite is re-saved it becomes 32-bit again. I can't see any switch in !DPlngScan to control bpp of output colours when saving sprites. !ChangeFSI (v 1.27, 6 May 03) does not accept these '32-bit' sprites. So my second question, how to avoid these huge file sizes (in one case 99Mb instead of 74 Mb) from !DPlngScan? In fact, these large files do process in OPro, but can't be saved from there (re: a recent thread), and in !Variation, from where they can be saved, but not with a 32- to 24-bit change. Re my earlier query on the JPEG problem, I think I may have solved that accidentally. To get !Paint to open the very large sprite files I had to increase its Dynamic Area limit [icon bar menu > Choices > memory], which is now 100Mb, and I find that the JPEG's also process OK in OPro (fingers-crossed), after making this change. While this has given a working system for JPEG's, thereare times when sprites may be preferable, to avoid even the slight quality loss with JPEG's, so a solution to the above '32-bit' problem would still be helpful. -- Denys Wells -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 28 16:02:10 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ADRkw-0003N3-F3-0003OS."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 16:02:10 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ADRkw-0003N3-F3; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 16:59:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ADRkw-0003N3-F3; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 16:59:14 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1ADRkh-0003sU-MD; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 17:58:59 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h9PGwoj24089 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 17:58:50 +0100 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.187]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h9PGwkC24073 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 17:58:46 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.205] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1ADRkT-0003ht-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 18:58:45 +0200 Received: from [213.6.48.98] (helo=bach) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1ADRkT-0002Rl-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 18:58:45 +0200 Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 18:58:41 +0200 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Further problem with JPEG in OPro Message-ID: References: <589f993e4c.peter@iyonix.earley.fourcom.com> <7lP2XPFRTdh$Ew5W@pilling.demon.co.uk> <6db3ff454c.dmw@denyswells.freeuk.com> <1LrVcGBefCm$Ewzc@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.70a (MsgServe/2.10) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message Denys Wells wrote: > Something else I've just realised is, using the above setup, 24-bit > scans saved as sprites from !DPlngScan are saved as *32-bit*, confirmed > by their file size, but shown, when opened in !Paint, as having 16M > colours, ie 24-bit. I've tried changing 32 to 24 bit in !DPlngScan, > which works internally (shown by reduced file size), but as soon as the > sprite is re-saved it becomes 32-bit again. Not surprising since there are no 24-bit sprites. 16M colour sprites are always stored using 32-bit per pixel. > I can't see any switch in !DPlngScan to control bpp of output colours when > saving sprites. !ChangeFSI (v 1.27, 6 May 03) does not accept these '32-bit' > sprites. Then something else has gone wrong. Maybe the file is simply too large for ChangeFSI? Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 28 17:40:47 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AEXnl-0005iB-4i-0000bf."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:40:47 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AEXnl-0005iB-4i; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:40:42 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AEXnl-0005iB-4i; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:38:41 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AEXlZ-0002Hy-4U; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:36:25 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h9SHZWC25661 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:35:32 GMT Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h9SHZ9j25456 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:35:11 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AEXkK-0008at-0V for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:35:08 +0000 Message-ID: <1zkVi9Cnhqn$Ew4K@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:33:27 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Further problem with JPEG in OPro References: <589f993e4c.peter@iyonix.earley.fourcom.com> <7lP2XPFRTdh$Ew5W@pilling.demon.co.uk> <6db3ff454c.dmw@denyswells.freeuk.com> <1LrVcGBefCm$Ewzc@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Sorry, I should have said I'm now using OPro 2.71 (12 Jul 03), containing Still not the current version. >else I've just realised is, using the above setup, 24-bit scans saved as >sprites from !DPlngScan are saved as *32-bit*, confirmed by their file size, Perfectly normal. At the level of this discussion there is no such thing as a 24 bit sprite [1] >I can't see any switch in !DPlngScan to control bpp of output colours when >saving sprites. !ChangeFSI (v 1.27, 6 May 03) does not accept these '32-bit' >sprites. Um. What does it say? > So my second question, how to avoid these huge file sizes (in one >case 99Mb instead of 74 Mb) from !DPlngScan? Use JPEG's (suspect that is how this discussion started), convert to 16 bit sprites, make use of the referenced and proxy image features in OP... [1] there is a spec. but since little or no software supports it (and RISC OS itself doesn't), not much use. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Oct 29 14:15:46 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AEhBF-000444-CX-0005uD."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 14:15:46 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AEhBF-000444-CX; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 06:31:05 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AEhBF-000444-CX; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 03:39:33 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AEgGV-0002x2-93; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 02:40:55 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h9T2eHh02950 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 02:40:17 GMT Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h9T2e4b02870 for ; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 02:40:06 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AEgFf-0000sU-0Y for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 02:40:04 +0000 Message-ID: <$7CXAQC+gyn$EwYR@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 02:38:54 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP Clipboard References: <4c43b20222dfs@ukgateway.net> <4c46110a3ddfs@ukgateway.net> <$cDnZYC$iFm$EwiU@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c46505d01Brian_and_Jennie@drood68.freeserve.co.uk> <0r1V05AlBSm$EwxS@pilling.demon.co.uk> <7e5a8d464c.philip@philipnet.com> In-Reply-To: <7e5a8d464c.philip@philipnet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >I remember a posting to the Select list (or was it somewhere else?) in >which someone pointed the main change/changes in the clipboard process >between pre-Select 3 and Select 3 (*). I'm told that the problem with OP and clipboard under Select is not entirely unexpected. Something to do with OP using its own clipboard type (so that what you paste retains style information). It would be interesting to know if the problem exists with other applications - i.e. find another application which is in the same situation as OP - using its own type. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Oct 29 15:27:11 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AEsDX-0002LC-DK-0002O4."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 15:27:11 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AEsDX-0002LC-DK; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 15:26:40 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AEsDX-0002LC-DK; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 15:26:39 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AEsDE-0004eR-Tx; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 15:26:20 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h9TErI216574 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 14:53:18 GMT Received: from gadolinium.btinternet.com (gadolinium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.111]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h9TEpVS15954 for ; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 14:51:38 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from host217-42-202-227.range217-42.btcentralplus.com ([217.42.202.227] helo=brian) by gadolinium.btinternet.com with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #23) id 1AErfJ-0006DR-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 14:51:17 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Brian Jordan To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 14:51:00 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP Clipboard Message-ID: <4c490828d1Brian_and_Jennie@drood68.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <$7CXAQC+gyn$EwYR@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <4c43b20222dfs@ukgateway.net> <4c46110a3ddfs@ukgateway.net> <$cDnZYC$iFm$EwiU@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c46505d01Brian_and_Jennie@drood68.freeserve.co.uk> <0r1V05AlBSm$EwxS@pilling.demon.co.uk> <7e5a8d464c.philip@philipnet.com> <$7CXAQC+gyn$EwYR@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.37) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 29 Oct, David Pilling wrote: > >I remember a posting to the Select list (or was it somewhere else?) in > >which someone pointed the main change/changes in the clipboard process > >between pre-Select 3 and Select 3 (*). > I'm told that the problem with OP and clipboard under Select is not > entirely unexpected. Something to do with OP using its own clipboard > type (so that what you paste retains style information). It would be > interesting to know if the problem exists with other applications - > i.e. find another application which is in the same situation as OP - > using its own type. All that follows on my SA RiscPC700 and RISC OS Select 4.37. I have just had a play with Impression Style which allows formatted text to be moved between documents without loss of formatting via its clipboard; either , or via its dedicated icons. At the same time a text only version happily pastes into Zap with limited formatting, ie tabs spaces and new lines. Ovation Pro (v2.72), with the global clipboard enabled, moves the formatted text to the clipboard, but only pastes it back as plain text with limited formatting as above, either to Zap or to itself. This can be masked in Ovation Pro if the text is pasted back below where another effect has been started as it picks up this effect. Throughout, viewing the clipboard shows that it retains the full formatting information. Disabling the use of the global clipboard for the duration of the pasting operation allows the fully formatted text to be pasted. -- ______________________________________________________________________ Brian Jordan >From somewhere in North Hampshire. England ______________________________________________________________________ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Oct 29 17:56:22 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AEuY4-0002GQ-FE-0002Je."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 17:56:22 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AEuY4-0002GQ-FE; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 17:56:03 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AEuY4-0002GQ-FE; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 17:56:00 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AEuXr-0003Hk-Kk; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 17:55:47 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h9THtPx13792 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 17:55:25 GMT Received: from scrabble.freeuk.net (scrabble.freeuk.net [212.126.144.29]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h9THtOw13785 for ; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 17:55:25 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from du-008-0206.freeuk.com ([195.8.75.206] helo=freeuk) by scrabble.freeuk.net with smtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AEuXR-0003H0-Mb for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 17:55:22 +0000 Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 17:21:46 GMT From: Denys Wells To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Further problem with JPEG in OPro Message-ID: <70f615494c.dmw@denyswells.freeuk.com,dwells@argonet.co.uk> References: <589f993e4c.peter@iyonix.earley.fourcom.com> <7lP2XPFRTdh$Ew5W@pilling.demon.co.uk> <6db3ff454c.dmw@denyswells.freeuk.com> <1LrVcGBefCm$Ewzc@pilling.demon.co.uk> <1zkVi9Cnhqn$Ew4K@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <1zkVi9Cnhqn$Ew4K@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/4.37) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <1zkVi9Cnhqn$Ew4K@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > >Sorry, I should have said I'm now using OPro 2.71 (12 Jul 03), containing > > Still not the current version. > > >else I've just realised is, using the above setup, 24-bit scans saved as > >sprites from !DPlngScan are saved as *32-bit*, confirmed by their file size, > > Perfectly normal. At the level of this discussion there is no such thing > as a 24 bit sprite [1] > > >I can't see any switch in !DPlngScan to control bpp of output colours when > >saving sprites. !ChangeFSI (v 1.27, 6 May 03) does not accept these '32-bit' > >sprites. > > Um. What does it say? > > > So my second question, how to avoid these huge file sizes (in one > >case 99Mb instead of 74 Mb) from !DPlngScan? > > Use JPEG's (suspect that is how this discussion started), convert to 16 > bit sprites, make use of the referenced and proxy image features in > OP... > > > [1] there is a spec. but since little or no software supports it (and > RISC OS itself doesn't), not much use. > Thanks (also to Martin Wuerthner) for telling me there is no 24-bit sprite: there is always something new to learn! Seems an awful waste of memory, and of time perhaps, to add an extra 8 useless bits to every high colour sprite. The reason I want 24-bit colour and, initially at least, no JPEG's, is because I'm trying to get best possible reproduction (screen and paper) of large (about A4) photos, involving adjustments in DPScan and/or Variation. If I used JPEG each time the file was transferred from one program to another, there could be considerable degradation from repeated compression: manipulating the sprite, then finally saving as JPEG should be better, shouldn't it? I'll look for the latest OPro, which I seem to have missed, in the near future. -- Denys Wells -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Oct 29 18:02:25 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AEudQ-00037D-7Y-00049R."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 18:02:25 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AEudQ-00037D-7Y; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 18:02:14 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AEudQ-00037D-7Y; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 18:01:32 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AEud6-0004Xn-D8; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 18:01:12 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h9TI15C15519 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 18:01:05 GMT Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h9TI12M15490 for ; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 18:01:02 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AEucv-000FMw-0X for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 18:01:01 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 17:59:37 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Further problem with JPEG in OPro References: <589f993e4c.peter@iyonix.earley.fourcom.com> <7lP2XPFRTdh$Ew5W@pilling.demon.co.uk> <6db3ff454c.dmw@denyswells.freeuk.com> <1LrVcGBefCm$Ewzc@pilling.demon.co.uk> <1zkVi9Cnhqn$Ew4K@pilling.demon.co.uk> <70f615494c.dmw@denyswells.freeuk.com> In-Reply-To: <70f615494c.dmw@denyswells.freeuk.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >there is always something new to learn! Seems an awful waste of memory, and >of time perhaps, to add an extra 8 useless bits to every high colour sprite. Might save time in some situations, e.g. when rendering the sprite to the screen memory. The usual idea which comes up is using JPEG's but with a quality factor of 1.0 which should reduce degradation. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Oct 29 21:15:01 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AExeX-00028G-Aw-0002AV."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 21:15:01 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AExeX-00028G-Aw; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 21:14:55 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AExeX-00028G-Aw; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 21:14:53 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AExeL-000598-D8; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 21:14:41 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h9TLEUN18806 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 21:14:30 GMT Received: from mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (mta05-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.45]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h9TLERC18787 for ; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 21:14:27 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from risco.home ([80.6.169.13]) by mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20031029211419.BCZH2197.mta05-svc.ntlworld.com@risco.home> for ; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 21:14:19 +0000 Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 21:11:24 +0000 (GMT) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: [softwarelist] Opro - rounded corner text frames To: Ovation Pro List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I noticed a couple of funnies with text frames which have a radius applied to the corners - the second as a result of trying to work-around the first. (RISC OS 4.37 - Select 3i3, OPro 2.70 and 2.72, !PastePos 1.01) First funny - if the vertical alignemnt of a text frame is set to Centre and a radius is applied the text is re-aligned to the top of the frame. To work around this and apply a rounded corner border to my text I thought I'll copy the frame, paste-in-position, make the top copy transparent and delete its text, and remove the radius and frame border from the underlying frame holding the text. OK - so that is the wrong work order, it should have been remove radius and border then copy and paste-in-position, remove text make frame transparent and add radius but if I'd done that I wouldn't have crashed OPro (Type=5 first time, subsequently No stack for trap handler) Second funny - pasting-in-position a text frame with radiused corners consistently crashes OPro on the RiscPC. This is true in a new document which only has an empty text frame added, and when Opro is the only application added after the boot sequence (!alarm and !SparkFS 1.38 are loaded as part of my boot sequence and Home filer and the recycle bin are also there). (Will the !PastePos applet simply copy across to the Windows version of OPro to allow testing there?) I made a note of the address reported but do not have a copy of the addr module (and cannot find on the web) to get further clues about what is going on. Anthony -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Oct 29 22:42:43 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AEz13-0005pn-Ly-0005r0."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 22:42:43 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AEz13-0005pn-Ly; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 22:42:15 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AEz13-0005pn-Ly; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 22:42:13 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AEz0x-0005ci-Gk; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 22:42:07 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h9TMfq310496 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 22:41:52 GMT Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h9TMfnl10475 for ; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 22:41:49 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AEz0e-0004Jt-0V for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 22:41:49 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 22:40:30 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Opro - rounded corner text frames References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >First funny - if the vertical alignemnt of a text frame is set to Centre and >a radius is applied the text is re-aligned to the top of the frame. NOTABUG, by design. Vertical justification is not applied to anything other than rectangular frames. In fact it also goes off if you overlay something that repels text on a rect. frame. >Second funny - pasting-in-position a text frame with radiused corners >consistently crashes OPro on the RiscPC. This a known bug - plonk one irregular frame exactly on top of another (same size and shape). The code for calculating text flow needs major work to remove this. Something I hope to do as part of the Windows work. >(Will the !PastePos applet simply copy across to the Windows version of OPro >to allow testing there?) ISTR it already did. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Oct 29 23:37:10 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AEzrL-0007ht-A9-0007it."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 23:37:10 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AEzrL-0007ht-A9; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 23:36:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AEzrL-0007ht-A9; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 23:36:15 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AEzqx-00089M-3e; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 23:35:52 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h9TNZVH25994 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 23:35:32 GMT Received: from smtp.aaisp.net.uk (painless.aaisp.net.uk [217.169.20.17]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h9TNZPY25977 for ; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 23:35:25 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [81.2.115.178] (helo=ghc) by smtp.aaisp.net.uk with smtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AEzqW-00087d-IP for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 23:35:24 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Gavin Crawford To: Ovation Pro List Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 23:36:43 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Opro - rounded corner text frames Message-ID: <4c4932cc19gav@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , Anthony Hilton wrote: > (Will the !PastePos applet simply copy across to the Windows version > of OPro to allow testing there?) The Windows version already has !PastePos 1.00 installed but it must be Activated in order to use it. Version 1.01 of PastePos can be downloaded from: http://www.crawford-print.co.uk/resources.html I seem to remember that in order to update the Windows version you need only replace the file PastePos from inside the directory: !PastePos.Library from 1.01. The only difference with 1.01 is that it fixed a bug when pasting a frame that was copied from a negative x or y position. Version 1.00 would always paste negative values back as 0. Maybe David could update the next release of OPW to use 1.01. -- Gavin Crawford email: gav@crawford-print.co.uk web: www.crawford-print.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Oct 30 13:24:44 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AF25R-0002Hn-9u-0002Ic."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 13:24:44 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AF25R-0002Hn-9u; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 01:58:57 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AF25R-0002Hn-9u; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 01:58:57 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AF24t-0001wm-F8; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 01:58:24 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h9U1w5H28590 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 01:58:05 GMT Received: from smtp1.clear.net.nz (smtp1.clear.net.nz [203.97.33.27]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h9U1vwE28568 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 01:57:59 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from ijm.clear.net.nz (203-167-156-41.dialup.clear.net.nz [203.167.156.41]) by smtp1.clear.net.nz (CLEAR Net Mail) with SMTP id <0HNJ00BYZS3VXV@smtp1.clear.net.nz> for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 14:57:51 +1300 (NZDT) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 15:01:07 +0100 (BST) From: Ian J Melville Subject: [softwarelist] Reader for OPro [Windows Version] To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Message-id: X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.8 required=5.0 tests=DATE_IN_FUTURE_12_24 version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi all Is there or will there be a Windows reader for OPro that can be downloaded by one's printer so that OP files can be e-mailed directly to a printer who has never heard of RISC OS? I recently ran into a problem with a pdf file when I was in a hurry and it would have been marvellous to send the straight OPro file. :-) Does the demo version act as a reader? Cheers -- Ian J. Melville RD 1 Ph/Fax +64-0-9-433-2225 Tangiteroria 0351 Cell +64-0-21-181-9991 Aotearoa/New Zealand email ijm@clear.net.nz _____________________________________________________________________________ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Oct 30 13:25:16 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AF9fW-0001VU-HJ-0001YY."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 13:25:16 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AF9fW-0001VU-HJ; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 10:04:44 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AF9fW-0001VU-HJ; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 10:04:42 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AF9fI-0002BI-Th; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 10:04:28 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h9UA47j21310 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 10:04:07 GMT Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.171]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h9UA45x21233 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 10:04:05 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.206] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AF9eu-0005Uj-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 11:04:04 +0100 Received: from [172.176.95.104] (helo=bach) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AF9es-00049A-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 11:04:02 +0100 Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 11:03:13 +0100 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Further problem with JPEG in OPro Message-ID: References: <589f993e4c.peter@iyonix.earley.fourcom.com> <7lP2XPFRTdh$Ew5W@pilling.demon.co.uk> <6db3ff454c.dmw@denyswells.freeuk.com> <1LrVcGBefCm$Ewzc@pilling.demon.co.uk> <1zkVi9Cnhqn$Ew4K@pilling.demon.co.uk> <70f615494c.dmw@denyswells.freeuk.com,dwells@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <70f615494c.dmw@denyswells.freeuk.com,dwells@argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.70a (MsgServe/2.10) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <70f615494c.dmw@denyswells.freeuk.com,dwells@argonet.co.uk> Denys Wells wrote: > Thanks (also to Martin Wuerthner) for telling me there is no 24-bit sprite: > there is always something new to learn! Seems an awful waste of memory, and > of time perhaps, to add an extra 8 useless bits to every high colour sprite. > The reason I want 24-bit colour and, initially at least, no JPEG's, is because > I'm trying to get best possible reproduction (screen and paper) of large > (about A4) photos, involving adjustments in DPScan and/or Variation. If I used > JPEG each time the file was transferred from one program to another, there > could be considerable degradation from repeated compression: manipulating the > sprite, then finally saving as JPEG should be better, shouldn't it? Yes. If you want to continue editing the photo, by all means stick to a lossless format. However, you could save the image as a compressed TIFF from DPScan, which should reduce the file size dramatically. For final printing, compressing it as a JPEG once should be OK. With a high quality setting (95%), I find it hardly possible to notice any degradation. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Oct 30 13:37:41 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AFCzB-0002Rb-LB-0002T6."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 13:37:41 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AFCzB-0002Rb-LB; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 13:37:15 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AFCzB-0002Rb-LB; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 13:37:13 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AFCz4-0003Mb-PU; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 13:37:06 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h9UDarw31795 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 13:36:53 GMT Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h9UDao731771 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 13:36:51 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AFCyo-000JmP-0Y for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 13:36:50 +0000 Message-ID: <$4IngqAoORo$EwQ1@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 13:35:36 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Reader for OPro [Windows Version] References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Is there or will there be a Windows reader for OPro that can be downloaded by >one's printer so that OP files can be e-mailed directly to a printer who has >Does the demo version act as a reader? Effectively yes, the demo version acts as a reader. I can imagine two scenarios for the future, the first is like RISC OS where there is a demo version which can load and print files (but not save them). The second is a try before you buy version, in this case people have a complete working copy of the program available. As of today there will be many OP RISC OS produced documents that will load and print perfectly on the Windows version. All this is always fraught though, someone who doesn't know the program and doesn't know what the printout is supposed to look like may well make errors. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Oct 30 19:54:28 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AFIsC-0004eB-Ia-0004f8."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 19:54:28 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AFIsC-0004eB-Ia; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 19:54:25 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AFIsC-0004eB-Ia; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 19:54:24 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AFIro-0006Jg-IP; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 19:54:00 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h9UJrha30276 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 19:53:43 GMT Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h9UJrgs30271 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 19:53:42 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AFIrW-000CBX-0W for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 19:53:42 +0000 Message-ID: <5fqWJ2CivWo$EwDC@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 19:52:02 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Reader for OPro [Windows Version] References: <$4IngqAoORo$EwQ1@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <$4IngqAoORo$EwQ1@pilling.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >From: charles hope In article <$4IngqAoORo$EwQ1@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >Is there or will there be a Windows reader for OPro that can be > >downloaded by one's printer so that OP files can be e-mailed directly > >to a printer who has Does the demo version act as a reader? > Effectively yes, the demo version acts as a reader. I can imagine two > scenarios for the future, the first is like RISC OS where there is a I would expect to send a printout along with the computer file to re-assure the printer that what he saw on his screen is what I intended. Certainly when sending a strange file to a new destination. When people have sent me pictures for adding into publication, they have always been backed up with a hard copy as well. Just as well when the file is a pdf as RiScript can make a complete mess of it. -- Using an Iyonix, running RISC OS5. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Oct 30 23:40:37 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AFLL5-0007Y7-Az-0007ZZ."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 23:40:37 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AFLL5-0007Y7-Az; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 22:32:24 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AFLL5-0007Y7-Az; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 22:32:23 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AFLKr-0000zl-8d; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 22:32:09 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h9UMVvc09536 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 22:31:57 GMT Received: from scrabble.freeuk.net (scrabble.freeuk.net [212.126.144.29]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h9UMVsr09437 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 22:31:54 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from du-009-0146.freeuk.com ([212.126.152.146] helo=helvellyn) by scrabble.freeuk.net with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AFLKb-000Ehm-ES for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 22:31:53 +0000 Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 22:30:02 GMT From: Steve Fryatt To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Message-ID: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 Subject: [softwarelist] DDL to DDF (or Ovation Pro to Impression) X-Editor: Zap 1.46 (10 Aug 2003) sb-2, ZapEmail 0.27 (21 Mar 2003) test-6 (32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Is there any way to convert a DDL file to DDF format, to allow the text and styles from an Ovation document to be loaded into Impression? Alternatively, is there any other way that this could be done? If it helps, the Ovation document in question is based on an Impression template loaded via TransIMP, so comparable styles are available in both packages. Basically, I've got a document template in Impression, which needs to be completed and sent off in Impression format, but I'd like to do the work in Ovation (as that runs on an Iyonix and Impression doesn't). -- Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/ * "We started off trying to set up a small anarchist community, but people wouldn't obey the rules." - Alan Bennett -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Oct 30 23:50:30 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AFMTD-0005hQ-5m-0005jI."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 23:50:30 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AFMTD-0005hQ-5m; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 23:44:53 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AFMTD-0005hQ-5m; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 23:44:51 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AFMSY-0005Kg-Dz; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 23:44:10 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h9UNhwq18777 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 23:43:58 GMT Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h9UNhsD18689 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 23:43:55 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AFMSH-000EUs-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 23:43:53 +0000 Message-ID: <$zJXyOAsHao$EwAX@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 23:42:36 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] DDL to DDF (or Ovation Pro to Impression) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Is there any way to convert a DDL file to DDF format, to allow the text >and styles from an Ovation document to be loaded into Impression? >Alternatively, is there any other way that this could be done? I don't know of such a piece of code. It would not be too difficult for someone to write, you're only converting between two text files. May be possible in a text processing language like Perl. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 31 13:53:42 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AFUt7-0003AJ-H3-0003BW."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 13:53:42 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AFUt7-0003AJ-H3; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 08:44:10 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AFUt7-0003AJ-H3; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 08:44:09 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AFUsw-0000HG-DG; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 08:43:58 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h9V8hga26825 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 08:43:43 GMT Received: from smtpq3.home.nl (smtpq3.home.nl [213.51.128.198]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h9V8hSp26743 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 08:43:30 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [213.51.128.135] (port=37559 helo=smtp4.home.nl) by smtpq3.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AFUsQ-0001hP-Si for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 09:43:26 +0100 Received: from cp418204-a.dbsch1.nb.home.nl ([217.123.44.165]:55706 helo=padua) by smtp4.home.nl with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AFUsP-0001te-UH for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 09:43:25 +0100 Message-ID: <004501c39ec2$0ed10810$6502a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: References: <$zJXyOAsHao$EwAX@pilling.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] DDL to DDF (or Ovation Pro to Impression) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 09:35:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-AtHome-MailScanner-Information: Neem contact op met support@home.nl voor meer informatie X-AtHome-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,DATE_IN_PAST_24_48,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Friday, October 31, 2003 12:42 AM, David Pilling wrote: >> Is there any way to convert a DDL file to DDF format, to allow the >> text and styles from an Ovation document to be loaded into >> Impression? Alternatively, is there any other way that this could be >> done? > > I don't know of such a piece of code. It would not be too difficult > for someone to write, you're only converting between two text files. > May be possible in a text processing language like Perl. > > There are more people working on this, as can be seen on the quote. Tonnie -- Mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands ================================= seen in A-o-L (Archive-on-Line): On Wednesday, October 29, 2003 4:03 PM, Paul Beverley wrote: > Hi All > > I wonder if there's anyone interested in doing an > article or three about WP file conversion? What is > bringing this to a head is that: > > a) I'm working (fairly successfully) on using ConvText > to convert OPro DDL files into DDF files to put into > Impression. .... > c) Chris Johnson was telling me how he'd abandoned > TechWriter as a means of converting Impression DDF > files to HTML and is now using a couple of ConvText > scripts to do the job. > > Obviously, I'm going to be writing up a), and if Chris > gets time, I think he'll write up c), .... =========================== -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 31 19:53:58 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AFfFt-0007l8-IX-0007mc."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 19:53:58 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AFfFt-0007l8-IX; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 19:48:23 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AFfFt-0007l8-IX; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 19:48:21 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AFfFX-0000Tf-Kd; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 19:47:59 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h9VJlA027701 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 19:47:11 GMT Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h9VJl5h27681 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 19:47:05 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [213.116.60.181] (helo=RiscPC) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AFfEd-00057d-0V for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 19:47:03 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 21:26:24 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Reader for OPro [Windows Version] Message-ID: <4c49b0322csteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.05-a1 (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=DATE_IN_PAST_12_24,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 30 Oct, Ian J Melville wrote: > I recently ran into a problem with a pdf file when I was in a hurry and > it would have been marvellous to send the straight OPro file. :-) I work with a voluntary organisation that had problems with a print shop that wanted MS Word rather than PDF "because we can't do PDF". Interestingly when I suggested that I would search for another nearby printshop that did take PDF's it took them an hour to figure out exactly what they needed to do to deal with a PDF. Funny old world innit? -- What kind of insanity destroys fields to replace what already exists? Stop Rugby Airport now before it's too late... Steve Pampling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 31 21:54:05 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AFhCt-00009D-DN-0000Ai."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 21:54:05 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AFhCt-00009D-DN; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 21:53:24 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AFhCt-00009D-DN; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 21:53:23 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AFhCQ-000656-Sj; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 21:52:54 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h9VLqMO06919 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 21:52:22 GMT Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h9VLqF206876 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 21:52:16 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AFhBm-0001MV-0W for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 21:52:15 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 21:51:07 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] DDL to DDF (or Ovation Pro to Impression) References: <$zJXyOAsHao$EwAX@pilling.demon.co.uk> <004501c39ec2$0ed10810$6502a8c0@padua> In-Reply-To: <004501c39ec2$0ed10810$6502a8c0@padua> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > Paul Beverley wrote: > a) I'm working (fairly successfully) on using ConvText > to convert OPro DDL files into DDF files to put into > Impression. ...don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net