From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 2 19:15:31 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19rwkU-0007gq-91-0000oF.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 19:15:31 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19rwkU-0007gq-91; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 09:46:44 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19rwkU-0007gq-91; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 09:37:54 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19rwk8-0007U2-C7; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 10:37:32 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h7R9aXl10690 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 10:36:33 +0100 Received: from mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk (mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk [212.9.8.7]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h7R9aW710684 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 10:36:32 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from iyonix [212.9.15.51] by mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.13) id A86D75F20092; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 10:22:53 +0100 Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 10:36:45 GMT From: michael talibard To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] noshow Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Nothing from you lot for many days now. Is everyone on holiday, or have I somehow been struck off? -- Michael Talibard -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 2 19:15:47 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19s95y-0005BV-DN-0005DH.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 19:15:47 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19s95y-0005BV-DN; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 22:48:55 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19s95y-0005BV-DN; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 22:48:54 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19s95j-00023t-8S; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 23:48:39 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h7RMmBR14062 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 23:48:11 +0100 Received: from smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net (smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net [212.135.6.13]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h7RMmA514014 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 23:48:10 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from tnt-12-241.easynet.co.uk ([212.134.20.241] helo=miranda.philipnet.com) by smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 19s95F-0002fy-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 23:48:09 +0100 Received: from philipnet.com (gromit.philipnet.com [192.168.1.33]) by miranda.philipnet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D45D12C106 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 21:46:14 +0100 (BST) Received: from philip by philipnet.com with local (RemoteNB 1.54) for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; 27 Aug 2003 21:45:58 +0100 Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 21:45:55 +0100 From: Philip Ludlam To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] noshow Message-ID: <68fdb6284c.philip@philipnet.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (RemoteNB/1.54) (RISC-OS/4.33) X-Sender: Philip Ludlam X-Sender-URL: http://www.philipnet.com/ X-Editor: StrongED 4.66 (stable) X-Editor-URL: http://www.stronged.iconbar.com/ X-Desktop-Utility: Director X-Desktop-Utility-URL: http://director.sourceforge.net/ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 27 Aug, in message michael talibard wrote: > >Nothing from you lot for many days now. >Is everyone on holiday, or have I somehow >been struck off? We all wish we were off on holiday. However, some of us haven't been able to get out of the rut we've been in for the last month or so. Yours, Phil L. -- http://www.philipnet.com http://director.sourceforge.net i ou a uea i e a o ie e a o a a oue oae -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 2 19:16:11 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19sl7G-0001Dn-DR-0007bi.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 19:16:11 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19sl7G-0001Dn-DR; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 17:08:01 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19sl7G-0001Dn-DR; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 15:24:46 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19sl6y-0001E3-7X; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 16:24:28 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h7TFO3c14283 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 16:24:03 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h7TFO3214280 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 16:24:03 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from retreat.demon.co.uk ([158.152.123.49] helo=iyonix) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 19sl6V-0000Kc-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 16:24:01 +0100 Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 16:19:27 +0100 From: Malcolm Cowell To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] Fonts with Iyonix Message-ID: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Hello Successfully installed OvPro into Iyonix but how do I get the vast Font catalogue formerly managed by Font Directory Pro on the RISCPC to install and work on Iyonix? Mostly LookSystems Monotype fonts but some ex Beebug. I've seen some recent discussion about this but cannot remember where. -- Malcolm Cowell -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 2 19:16:13 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19sluF-0004kI-6f-00036f.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 19:16:13 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19sluF-0004kI-6f; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 17:11:25 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19sluF-0004kI-6f; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 16:15:23 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19sltx-0008Ga-VA; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 17:15:05 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h7TGExm32762 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 17:14:59 +0100 Received: from roma.localnet (p5091A795.dip.t-dialin.net [80.145.167.149]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h7TGEve32748 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 17:14:57 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [192.168.0.105] (helo=iyonix) by roma.localnet with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19slto-0003l4-00 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 18:14:56 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Bellon To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 17:59:12 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts with Iyonix Message-ID: <4c29a46949sbellon@sbellon.de> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 X-Request-PGP: http://www.sbellon.de/gpg.asc X-PGP-ID: 05360CB9 / 55DB 48FE BA59 7BA0 2B9D 4822 38C5 EC21 0536 0CB9 X-URL: http://www.sbellon.de/ Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Malcolm Cowell wrote: > Successfully installed OvPro into Iyonix but how do I get the vast > Font catalogue formerly managed by Font Directory Pro on the RISCPC > to install and work on Iyonix? I have converted FontDir Pro to 32-bit. It's now up to Adrian Look to do the distribution. Please be a little bit more patient. There will be an upgrade. -- Stefan Bellon -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 2 19:16:13 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19slzK-0004ZL-Ee-0001Bx.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 19:16:13 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19slzK-0004ZL-Ee; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 17:04:10 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19slzK-0004ZL-Ee; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 16:20:38 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19slzA-0000tk-6f; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 17:20:28 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h7TGKOY01895 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 17:20:24 +0100 Received: from mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk (mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk [212.9.8.7]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h7TGKOF01892 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 17:20:24 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from iyonix [212.9.25.86] by mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.13) id AA1233810158; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 17:06:42 +0100 Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 17:21:16 GMT From: michael talibard To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Fonts with Iyonix Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message you wrote: > > Hello > > Successfully installed OvPro into Iyonix but how do I get the vast Font > catalogue formerly managed by Font Directory Pro on the RISCPC to > install and work on Iyonix? > > Mostly LookSystems Monotype fonts but some ex Beebug. > > I've seen some recent discussion about this but cannot remember where. > Essentially, you can't: it's not available in 32-bit. (I would LOVE to be contradicted - I used to be a great fan of Font Directory Pro.) What I've done is this. I used to have all my Fonts stored within the FDP 'Partition' in certain directories called things like 'Blacklet', 'Sans', 'Celtic', 'Roman', etc. So now I've removed them from there and stored them in separate copies of !Fonts renamed as '!Blacklet', '!Sans', etc. All you need is to copy !Fonts, rename it !Whatever, rename one sprite in Fonts 22, delete whatever fonts are in there, and put your chosen fonts in. Then when you want that sort of font, one double-click brings in that family. It is clumsy compared with FDP, but we live in an imperfect world. - Michael Talibard -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 2 19:16:15 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19smEW-000147-4M-0007Ew.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 19:16:15 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19smEW-000147-4M; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 18:25:19 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19smEW-000147-4M; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 16:36:20 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19smE3-00045G-Hi; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 17:35:51 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h7TGZk906244 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 17:35:46 +0100 Received: from tungsten.btinternet.com (tungsten.btinternet.com [194.73.73.81]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h7TGZik06225 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 17:35:44 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from host213-122-130-159.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.122.130.159]) by tungsten.btinternet.com with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #23) id 19smDv-0004Ed-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 17:35:43 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts with Iyonix From: mark stephens To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net In-Reply-To: <4c29a46949sbellon@sbellon.de> References: <4c29a46949sbellon@sbellon.de> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Message-Id: <1062174950.2101.0.camel@mslaptop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.4-1.1mdk Date: 29 Aug 2003 17:36:37 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On Fri, 2003-08-29 at 16:59, Stefan Bellon wrote: > Malcolm Cowell wrote: > > > Successfully installed OvPro into Iyonix but how do I get the vast > > Font catalogue formerly managed by Font Directory Pro on the RISCPC > > to install and work on Iyonix? > > I have converted FontDir Pro to 32-bit. It's now up to Adrian Look to > do the distribution. Please be a little bit more patient. There will be > an upgrade. I would love to see Adrian and hsis products actively back in the Acorn market. Any chance? MArk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 2 19:16:16 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19sniV-0000sA-Ae-0005Y9.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 19:16:16 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19sniV-0000sA-Ae; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 20:13:36 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19sniV-0000sA-Ae; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 18:11:23 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19sniB-0002pK-1T; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 19:11:03 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h7TIAvf30059 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 19:10:57 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h7TIAuR30055 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 19:10:56 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from retreat.demon.co.uk ([158.152.123.49] helo=iyonix) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 19sni3-00052e-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 19:10:56 +0100 Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 19:09:15 +0100 From: Malcolm Cowell To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts with Iyonix Message-ID: <8451b0294c.malcolm@retreat.demon.co.uk> References: <4c29a46949sbellon@sbellon.de> In-Reply-To: <4c29a46949sbellon@sbellon.de> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Stefan Ballon wrote: > Malcolm Cowell wrote: > > > Successfully installed OvPro into Iyonix but how do I get the vast > > Font catalogue formerly managed by Font Directory Pro on the RISCPC > > to install and work on Iyonix? > > I have converted FontDir Pro to 32-bit. It's now up to Adrian Look to > do the distribution. Please be a little bit more patient. There will be > an upgrade. > This is amazing news and better than I had hoped. Thanks too for Michael's suggestion which I can use as a temporary fix on the two or three fonts I need to activate. -- Malcolm Cowell -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 2 19:16:16 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19so2x-0004Lx-4G-0000P4.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 19:16:16 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19so2x-0004Lx-4G; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 18:38:58 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19so2x-0004Lx-4G; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 18:32:31 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19so2p-0005Uv-7d; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 19:32:23 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h7TIWJc02519 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 19:32:19 +0100 Received: from server0027.freedom2surf.net (server0027.freedom2surf.net [194.106.33.36]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h7TIWJv02515 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 19:32:19 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from wallace ([195.137.110.177]) by server0027.freedom2surf.net (8.12.6/8.12.6/Debian-7) with ESMTP id h7TIWGit025561 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 18:32:17 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Brian Carroll To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 17:57:21 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts with Iyonix Message-ID: <4c29a9bc61bric@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.33) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article , Malcolm Cowell wrote: > Successfully installed OvPro into Iyonix but how do I get the > vast Font catalogue formerly managed by Font Directory Pro on > the RISCPC to install and work on Iyonix? [Snip] > I've seen some recent discussion about this but cannot > remember where. Archive on Line (mail list) in May or June this year I think. There seemed to be some optimism that a 32-bit version of FDPro might appear. I'm looking forward to this but not holding my breath :-) Brian. -- ______________________________________________________________ Brian Carroll, Ripon, North Yorkshire, UK bric@argonet.co.uk ______________________________________________________________ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 2 19:16:19 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19ssW4-0006fR-3n-0006jk.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 19:16:19 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19ssW4-0006fR-3n; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 23:18:54 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19ssW4-0006fR-3n; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 23:18:52 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19ssVs-0005Lj-MK; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 00:18:40 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h7TNHqd32317 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 00:17:52 +0100 Received: from mta7-svc.business.ntl.com (mta7-svc.business.ntl.com [62.253.164.47]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h7TNHqU32313 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 00:17:52 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from localhost ([62.255.12.72]) by mta7-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20030829231751.DTVH11395.mta7-svc.business.ntl.com@localhost> for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 00:17:51 +0100 Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 00:16:55 +0100 From: Gerald Cobbe To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] RTF & DDL Message-ID: <937ccc294c.Gerald@virgin.net> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/4.36) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by svr1.spellings.net id h7TNHqU32315 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Hi folks, Sorry if I've missed something very basic, but does anyone know if it's possible to save documents produced on Ovation Pro in RTF. Couldn't see anything in the manual but has some applet or filter been produced to do it. Again please excuse my ignorance but I've noticed that docs sam be saved as DDL files. I note that it stands for Document Description Language but what does that mean? What progs can read them? Are they compatible with any progs on Windoze machines? Any thoughts on either would be appreciated. Regards -- Gerald Cobbe  -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 2 19:16:25 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19szb6-0001Qy-5c-0004cL.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 19:16:25 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19szb6-0001Qy-5c; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 06:54:49 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19szb6-0001Qy-5c; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 06:52:32 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19szax-0004T4-Lj; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 07:52:23 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h7U6q5M24885 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 07:52:05 +0100 Received: from mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.39]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h7U6q4n24881 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 07:52:04 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [62.64.228.57] (helo=tiscali) by mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19szad-000FOU-3m for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 07:52:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 07:39:01 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RTF & DDL Message-ID: <4c29f4f60bdfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <937ccc294c.Gerald@virgin.net> References: <937ccc294c.Gerald@virgin.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.36) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article <937ccc294c.Gerald@virgin.net>, Gerald Cobbe wrote: > Hi folks, > Sorry if I've missed something very basic, but does anyone know if it's > possible to save documents produced on Ovation Pro in RTF. > Couldn't see anything in the manual but has some applet or filter been > produced to do it. > Again please excuse my ignorance but I've noticed that docs sam be > saved as DDL files. I note that it stands for Document Description > Language but what does that mean? What progs can read them? Are they > compatible with any progs on Windoze machines? > Any thoughts on either would be appreciated. > Regards Yes, there's an applet !MakeRTF to enable RTF Save, and of course the !TransRTF filter for import. Cheers Dave S -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 2 19:16:25 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19t04A-0004FE-Ar-0004IF.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 19:16:25 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19t04A-0004FE-Ar; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 07:22:36 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19t04A-0004FE-Ar; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 07:22:34 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19t03w-0000zg-HA; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 08:22:20 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h7U7MHH29145 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 08:22:17 +0100 Received: from roma.localnet (p5091A795.dip.t-dialin.net [80.145.167.149]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h7U7MFf29136 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 08:22:16 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [192.168.0.105] (helo=iyonix) by roma.localnet with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19t03q-0004pz-00 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 09:22:14 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Bellon To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 09:04:00 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts with Iyonix Message-ID: <4c29f73fc3sbellon@sbellon.de> In-Reply-To: <1062174950.2101.0.camel@mslaptop> References: <4c29a46949sbellon@sbellon.de> <1062174950.2101.0.camel@mslaptop> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 X-Request-PGP: http://www.sbellon.de/gpg.asc X-PGP-ID: 05360CB9 / 55DB 48FE BA59 7BA0 2B9D 4822 38C5 EC21 0536 0CB9 X-URL: http://www.sbellon.de/ Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist mark stephens wrote: > On Fri, 2003-08-29 at 16:59, Stefan Bellon wrote: [snip] > > I have converted FontDir Pro to 32-bit. It's now up to Adrian Look > > to do the distribution. Please be a little bit more patient. There > > will be an upgrade. > I would love to see Adrian and hsis products actively back in the > Acorn market. Any chance? I think he's considering that at the moment. -- Stefan Bellon -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 2 19:16:26 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19t20m-0000ik-CU-0002mm.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 19:16:26 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19t20m-0000ik-CU; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 09:28:30 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19t20m-0000ik-CU; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 09:27:12 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19t20b-00071Y-7p; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 10:27:01 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h7U9Qrj18405 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 10:26:53 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h7U9Qrx18402 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 10:26:53 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from dougal.locationworks.com ([62.49.148.34] helo=localhost) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 19t20S-0006pW-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 10:26:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Kell Gatherer To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 19:06:52 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts with Iyonix Message-ID: <4c29b01993lists@locsource.com> In-Reply-To: <4c29a46949sbellon@sbellon.de> References: <4c29a46949sbellon@sbellon.de> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03c (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article <4c29a46949sbellon@sbellon.de>, Stefan Bellon wrote: > > Successfully installed OvPro into Iyonix but how do I get the vast > > Font catalogue formerly managed by Font Directory Pro on the RISCPC > > to install and work on Iyonix? > I have converted FontDir Pro to 32-bit. It's now up to Adrian Look to > do the distribution. Please be a little bit more patient. There will be > an upgrade. As a beta-tester, I can confirm that FontDir Pro performs immaculately on the Iyonix. Stefan did the conversion, and Richard Hallas created a nifty new icon set. Hopefully it will be released officially very soon now. If only I could get my head around sets of fonts. It seems like it ought to be a very powerful function, however I'll have to read the manual yet again :-( -- Kell Gatherer kell@locsource.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 2 19:16:56 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19t6k7-0007ES-Fx-0007Hn.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 19:16:56 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19t6k7-0007ES-Fx; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 14:30:22 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19t6k7-0007ES-Fx; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 14:30:20 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19t6jo-0006Qo-6f; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 15:30:00 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h7UEToj16465 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 15:29:50 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h7UEToc16458 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 15:29:50 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19t6jb-00066s-0W for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 15:29:49 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 14:19:02 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] RTF & DDL Message-ID: <4c2a1995a5Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <937ccc294c.Gerald@virgin.net> References: <937ccc294c.Gerald@virgin.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article <937ccc294c.Gerald@virgin.net>, Gerald Cobbe wrote: > Again please excuse my ignorance but I've noticed that docs sam be > saved as DDL files. I note that it stands for Document Description > Language but what does that mean? It's a plain text description of the document's structure and content, whereas a normal OvnPro file is (I'd guess) just a copy of the content of the computer's memory when it held the document file. The latter is incomprehensible to people. You can look at DDL files in a normal text editor. What's more, you can change them in a normal text editor. You can even generate them with other programs... The main problem with DDL is that there's no complete description of exactly how it works, though it's not hard to see roughly how it works. The tried & tested method is to save a few sample documents which have slight differences, and then see what to what extent the DDL is different. -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 2 19:17:01 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19t95r-0004fB-Ff-0004iu.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 19:17:01 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19t95r-0004fB-Ff; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 17:00:57 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19t95r-0004fB-Ff; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 17:00:55 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19t958-0003jo-HQ; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 18:00:10 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h7UGxjb16629 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 17:59:45 +0100 Received: from gadolinium.btinternet.com (gadolinium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.111]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h7UGxiI16625 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 17:59:44 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from host213-122-4-252.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.122.4.252]) by gadolinium.btinternet.com with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #23) id 19t94h-0006Rn-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 17:59:44 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts with Iyonix From: mark stephens To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net In-Reply-To: <4c29f73fc3sbellon@sbellon.de> References: <4c29a46949sbellon@sbellon.de> <1062174950.2101.0.camel@mslaptop> <4c29f73fc3sbellon@sbellon.de> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Message-Id: <1062262600.1989.0.camel@mslaptop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.4-1.1mdk Date: 30 Aug 2003 18:01:11 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On Sat, 2003-08-30 at 08:04, Stefan Bellon wrote: > mark stephens wrote: > > On Fri, 2003-08-29 at 16:59, Stefan Bellon wrote: > > [snip] > > > > I have converted FontDir Pro to 32-bit. It's now up to Adrian Look > > > to do the distribution. Please be a little bit more patient. There > > > will be an upgrade. > > > I would love to see Adrian and hsis products actively back in the > > Acorn market. Any chance? > > I think he's considering that at the moment. How can we show interest.... MArk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 2 19:17:02 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19tAYs-0005Ck-Bk-0005EL.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 19:17:02 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19tAYs-0005Ck-Bk; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 18:34:59 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19tAYs-0005Ck-Bk; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 18:34:58 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19tAYk-0002Z0-Ma; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 19:34:50 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h7UIYgG03640 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 19:34:42 +0100 Received: from roma.localnet (p5091AE07.dip.t-dialin.net [80.145.174.7]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h7UIYfa03634 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 19:34:41 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [192.168.0.105] (helo=iyonix) by roma.localnet with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19tAYa-0006NF-01 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 20:34:40 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Bellon To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 19:48:45 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts with Iyonix Message-ID: <4c2a324704sbellon@sbellon.de> In-Reply-To: <1062262600.1989.0.camel@mslaptop> References: <4c29a46949sbellon@sbellon.de> <1062174950.2101.0.camel@mslaptop> <4c29f73fc3sbellon@sbellon.de> <1062262600.1989.0.camel@mslaptop> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 X-Request-PGP: http://www.sbellon.de/gpg.asc X-PGP-ID: 05360CB9 / 55DB 48FE BA59 7BA0 2B9D 4822 38C5 EC21 0536 0CB9 X-URL: http://www.sbellon.de/ Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist mark stephens wrote: > On Sat, 2003-08-30 at 08:04, Stefan Bellon wrote: [snip] > > I think he's considering that at the moment. > How can we show interest.... I keep telling him. ;-) You could email him politely at acorn@looksystems.org.uk expressing interest in the 32-bit FontDir Pro. -- Stefan Bellon -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 2 19:17:14 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19tO2D-00025a-3O-00027k.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 19:17:14 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19tO2D-00025a-3O; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 08:58:11 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19tO2D-00025a-3O; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 08:58:09 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19tO1z-0003fl-HB; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 09:57:55 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h7V8vcH11516 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 09:57:38 +0100 Received: from mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk (mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk [212.9.8.7]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h7V8vb411513 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 09:57:38 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from iyonix [212.9.24.70] by mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.13) id A5489E1F0124; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 09:43:52 +0100 Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 09:58:20 GMT From: michael talibard To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] italics Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist If I use the Ovation Pro v.2.72 Info Palette to put a word or phrase in bold, this seems to work ok: in contrast, if I want italics, I get some bizarre results. In Bembo, from four possible italic variants, it chooses ExtraBold Italic in preference to just plain Italic; in Arial, it picks out Black Italic. (I assume it is a co-incidence that it tends to go for the 'heaviest' one.) Why? Michael Talibard -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 2 19:17:15 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19tPs7-0004Dd-6h-0004FX.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 19:17:15 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19tPs7-0004Dd-6h; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 10:55:52 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19tPs7-0004Dd-6h; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 10:55:51 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19tPrz-00009S-Va; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 11:55:43 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h7VAtdP02212 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 11:55:39 +0100 Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h7VAtbu02203 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 11:55:37 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [62.188.139.229] (helo=RiscPC) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19tPrr-0002vO-BS for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 11:55:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 20:18:17 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] RTF & DDL Message-ID: <4c2a3a7974steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4c2a1995a5Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> References: <937ccc294c.Gerald@virgin.net> <4c2a1995a5Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.05-a1 (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.04-pre2 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 30 Aug, Jeremy C B Nicoll wrote: > In article <937ccc294c.Gerald@virgin.net>, > Gerald Cobbe wrote: > > Again please excuse my ignorance but I've noticed that docs sam be > > saved as DDL files. I note that it stands for Document Description > > Language but what does that mean? > It's a plain text description of the document's structure and content, > whereas a normal OvnPro file is (I'd guess) just a copy of the content > of the computer's memory when it held the document file. Not really, DDF (Impression) is akin to RTF with it's use of and is nearer to plain text than most things. DDL is like a cross between a C program and RTF [Snip] > You can look at DDL files in a normal text editor. What's more, you > can change them in a normal text editor. You can even generate them > with other programs... The script output of Organizer is one such. > The main problem with DDL is that there's no complete description of > exactly how it works, though it's not hard to see roughly how it works. > The tried & tested method is to save a few sample documents which have > slight differences, and then see what to what extent the DDL is > different. It becomes a little more confusing when you discover options in the description language that: 1. Don't work because there is no support for that yet. 2. Sometimes work but might cause a crash if used and aren't accessible via the OvPro methods. and more... -- What kind of insanity destroys fields to replace what already exists? Stop Rugby Airport now before it's too late... Steve Pampling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 2 19:17:15 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19tPwU-0002dU-89-0002gK.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 19:17:15 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19tPwU-0002dU-89; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 11:00:24 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19tPwU-0002dU-89; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 11:00:22 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19tPw8-0001YT-6Q; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 12:00:00 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h7VAxvt03178 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 11:59:57 +0100 Received: from server0027.freedom2surf.net (server0027.freedom2surf.net [194.106.33.36]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h7VAxvJ03175 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 11:59:57 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from bw26.argonet.co.uk ([195.137.94.49]) by server0027.freedom2surf.net (8.12.6/8.12.6/Debian-7) with SMTP id h7VAwWiu003781; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 10:58:33 GMT Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 11:58:38 +0100 From: Ian Wolfe To: cgilogley@lornshil.demon.co.uk Subject: [softwarelist] New email address Message-ID: X-Organization: none whatsoever User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Having gone Broadband my new email address is ian@jwolfe.f2s.com Kind regards. -- Ian Wolfe. Linlithgow. Birthplace of Mary, Queen of Scots. Blessed are the peacemakers. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 2 19:17:17 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19tSyU-0007f0-Dp-0007gY.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 19:17:17 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19tSyU-0007f0-Dp; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 14:14:39 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19tSyU-0007f0-Dp; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 14:14:38 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19tSyL-0000TI-Bi; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 15:14:29 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h7VEEKd13097 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 15:14:20 +0100 Received: from mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (mta03-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.43]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h7VEEKB13087 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 15:14:20 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from oemcomputer ([80.7.4.20]) by mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20030831141419.UCPW12286.mta03-svc.ntlworld.com@oemcomputer> for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 15:14:19 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: RTF & DDL References: <937ccc294c.Gerald@virgin.net> <4c29f4f60bdfs@ukgateway.net> Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed From: jeff wallis MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 15:14:17 +0100 In-Reply-To: <4c29f4f60bdfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Opera7.11/Win32 M2 build 2887 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist OK I give up - I've spent a couple of hours searching for these two applets - where can I get them? Jeff Wallis On Sat, 30 Aug 2003 07:39:01 +0100, Dave Symes wrote: > In article <937ccc294c.Gerald@virgin.net>, > Gerald Cobbe wrote: >> Hi folks, >> Sorry if I've missed something very basic, but does anyone know if it's >> possible to save documents produced on Ovation Pro in RTF. >> Couldn't see anything in the manual but has some applet or filter been >> produced to do it. > >> Again please excuse my ignorance but I've noticed that docs sam be >> saved as DDL files. I note that it stands for Document Description >> Language but what does that mean? What progs can read them? Are they >> compatible with any progs on Windoze machines? > >> Any thoughts on either would be appreciated. > >> Regards > > Yes, there's an applet !MakeRTF to enable RTF Save, and of course the > !TransRTF filter for import. > > Cheers > Dave S > -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 2 19:17:18 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19tVLa-00003V-AO-00005Z.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 19:17:18 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19tVLa-00003V-AO; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 16:46:39 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19tVLa-00003V-AO; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 16:46:38 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19tVLL-0001UG-Kj; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 17:46:23 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h7VGkG803354 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 17:46:16 +0100 Received: from server0027.freedom2surf.net (server0027.freedom2surf.net [194.106.33.36]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h7VGkFH03343 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 17:46:15 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from bw26.argonet.co.uk ([195.137.94.49]) by server0027.freedom2surf.net (8.12.6/8.12.6/Debian-7) with SMTP id h7VGkCiv029105 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 16:46:14 GMT Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 17:40:32 +0100 From: Ian Wolfe To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] New email address Message-ID: <45deaf2a4c.jwolfe@jwolfe.f2s.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: none whatsoever User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist I apologise if I have made a mess of this notification (ie in the wrong place or a repeat notice) but... Having gone Broadband my new email address is ian@jwolfe.f2s.com Kind regards. -- Ian Wolfe. Linlithgow. Birthplace of Mary, Queen of Scots. Blessed are the peacemakers. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 2 19:17:20 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19tWHZ-0000Rq-7v-0000WD.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 19:17:20 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19tWHZ-0000Rq-7v; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 17:46:36 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19tWHZ-0000Rq-7v; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 17:46:33 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19tWHK-0008UG-AE; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 18:46:18 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h7VHjwB27363 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 18:45:58 +0100 Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h7VHjwI27360 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 18:45:58 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [62.188.122.26] (helo=62.188.122.26) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 19tWGx-0008TQ-QO for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 18:45:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mr S A O Yandell To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 18:44:45 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] italics Message-ID: <4c2ab5bf06steyan@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.33) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article , michael talibard wrote: > If I use the Ovation Pro v.2.72 Info Palette to put a word or > phrase in bold, this seems to work ok: in contrast, if I want > italics, I get some bizarre results. In Bembo, from four possible > italic variants, it chooses ExtraBold Italic in preference to just > plain Italic; in Arial, it picks out Black Italic. (I assume it is a > co-incidence that it tends to go for the 'heaviest' one.) > Why? > Michael Talibard Doesn't it choose the first italic font in that family, as listed when you view the fonts / weights / styles available? HTH Steve Yandell -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ steyan@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 2 19:17:21 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19tWHn-0000lA-6q-0000o5.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 19:17:21 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19tWHn-0000lA-6q; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 17:46:49 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19tWHn-0000lA-6q; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 17:46:47 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19tWHK-0006sr-Fn; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 18:46:18 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h7VHjuG27337 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 18:45:56 +0100 Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h7VHjt927331 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 18:45:55 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [62.188.122.26] (helo=62.188.122.26) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 19tWGv-0008TQ-8U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 18:45:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mr S A O Yandell To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 18:42:01 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: RTF & DDL Message-ID: <4c2ab57f20steyan@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <937ccc294c.Gerald@virgin.net> <4c29f4f60bdfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.33) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article , jeff wallis wrote: > OK I give up - I've spent a couple of hours searching for these two applets > - where can I get them? > Jeff Wallis They are not applets as such, they are filters; they reside in a directory of the same name. Be wary - if I remember right, they have been / need to be upgraded to 32 bit compatibility (if that's the right way to put it!) HTH Steve Yandell -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ steyan@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 2 19:17:21 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19tWar-00023c-FS-00025h.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 19:17:21 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19tWar-00023c-FS; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 18:06:30 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19tWar-00023c-FS; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 18:06:29 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19tWal-0000ag-LT; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 19:06:23 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h7VI6JO03244 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 19:06:19 +0100 Received: from mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk (mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk [212.9.8.7]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h7VI6IE03238 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 19:06:18 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from iyonix [212.9.24.70] by mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.13) id A5E0A6140124; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 18:52:32 +0100 Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 19:07:02 GMT From: michael talibard To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] italics Message-ID: References: <4c2ab5bf06steyan@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4c2ab5bf06steyan@argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message <4c2ab5bf06steyan@argonet.co.uk> Steve Yandell wrote: > Doesn't it choose the first italic font in that family? Oddly, no, it doesn't. For example, in Bembo it has to go past Bold.Italic to get to ExtraBold.Italic; what I want it to pick out, of course, is just plain Italic (except when I was already using Bold or ExtraBold). -- Michael Talibard -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 2 19:17:22 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19tWua-0007G4-Em-0007I4.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 19:17:22 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19tWua-0007G4-Em; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 18:26:53 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19tWua-0007G4-Em; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 18:26:52 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19tWuL-0004Fi-Uq; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 19:26:37 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h7VIQVZ10684 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 19:26:31 +0100 Received: from mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.38]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h7VIQVZ10678 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 19:26:31 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [62.64.202.132] (helo=tiscali) by mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19tWuD-000FyJ-CX for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 19:26:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 19:27:53 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RTF & DDL Message-ID: <4c2ab9b222dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: References: <937ccc294c.Gerald@virgin.net> <4c29f4f60bdfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.36) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article , jeff wallis wrote: > To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net > Message-ID: > User-Agent: Opera7.11/Win32 M2 build 2887 > OK I give up - I've spent a couple of hours searching for these two > applets - where can I get them? > Jeff Wallis You top posted and made sh*te order of the mailing, and came very close to not getting an answer. Try David Breakwell. Last address I had for him was... davidb@argonet.co.uk Grumpy D If you have a legit copy of Ovation Pro DDL is already on the Save menu options. -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 2 19:17:23 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19tX7W-0002QA-FS-0002SA.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 19:17:23 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19tX7W-0002QA-FS; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 18:40:15 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19tX7W-0002QA-FS; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 18:40:14 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19tX7P-0005QB-96; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 19:40:07 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h7VIe4f15795 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 19:40:04 +0100 Received: from smtpq2.home.nl (smtpq2.home.nl [213.51.128.197]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h7VIe3315784 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 19:40:03 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [213.51.128.132] (port=50447 helo=smtp1.home.nl) by smtpq2.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19tX7K-0003ie-Sh for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 20:40:02 +0200 Received: from cp418204-a.dbsch1.nb.home.nl ([217.123.44.165]:55419 helo=padua) by smtp1.home.nl with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 19tX7K-0004OH-4R for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 20:40:02 +0200 Message-ID: <000e01c36ff7$e285ca50$6502a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: "Ovation Pro" References: <4c2ab5bf06steyan@argonet.co.uk> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] italics Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 20:41:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-AtHome-MailScanner-Information: Neem contact op met support@home.nl voor meer informatie X-AtHome-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On Sunday, August 31, 2003 8:07 PM, michael talibard wrote: > In message <4c2ab5bf06steyan@argonet.co.uk> Steve Yandell wrote: > > >> Doesn't it choose the first italic font in that family? > > Oddly, no, it doesn't. For example, in Bembo it has to go past > Bold.Italic to get to ExtraBold.Italic; what I want it to pick out, > of course, is just plain Italic (except when I was already using > Bold or ExtraBold). > It is only sensible to use the 3 Buttons and Effects (N, B, I, B+I) ONLY for font families with 2 weights (in upright style) with 2 slanted styles. One weight is bolder than the other. In general this was the structure for older fonts, delivered in Acorn/RISC OS world. On other platforms it is still the structure with a maximum of 4 'effects' or fonts in one family. But, opposed to RISC OS, the part of the name of a font isn't limited to the root (e.g. Bembo) and you don't find large font families in font menu's. You find e.g. a *family* Bembo (with Regular, Italic, Bold and Bold Italic) and another *family* Bembo ExtraBold (with (Regular) and Italic) and so on. In case of Ovation Pro (and other programs) only Bembo is seen as the font family. The effect 'Italic' is applied to the first occurrence -with exception of Bold.Italic. Maybe also Demi.Italic. So, it isn't wise to use buttons or effects in font families with another structure. One of these 'structures' are large font families (like your example of Bembo) or a font family with more than 2 weights (like Kabel with only 4 or 5 'upright' fonts). You can set the correct font (weight and or style) in the font menu. In Edit-->Style and in e.g. Info Palette. Of course, in many instances, the buttons don't show the correct state (Italic or Normal). BTW: In my opinion, it is best to use the font menu in all situations. Tonnie -- Mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 2 19:17:24 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19tXli-0001Fr-98-0001HP.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 19:17:24 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19tXli-0001Fr-98; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 19:21:48 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19tXli-0001Fr-98; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 19:21:46 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19tXlW-0003cH-Sk; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 20:21:34 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h7VJLTo29831 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 20:21:29 +0100 Received: from mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk (mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk [212.9.8.7]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h7VJLSa29824 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 20:21:28 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from iyonix [212.9.24.70] by mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.13) id A77DA2401C2; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 20:07:41 +0100 Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 20:22:16 GMT From: michael talibard To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] italics Message-ID: References: <4c2ab5bf06steyan@argonet.co.uk> <000e01c36ff7$e285ca50$6502a8c0@padua> In-Reply-To: <000e01c36ff7$e285ca50$6502a8c0@padua> X-Organization: home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message <000e01c36ff7$ . . . > Tonnie Demarteau wrote: [snip] > The effect 'Italic' is applied to the first occurrence - with exception of > Bold.Italic. Maybe also Demi.Italic. Thank you! Now, at least, I understand what is happening. The question remains, does it really have to be this way? -- Michael Talibard -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 2 19:17:32 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19tigP-0002XU-88-0002Zx.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 19:17:32 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19tigP-0002XU-88; Mon, 01 Sep 2003 07:01:03 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19tigP-0002XU-88; Mon, 01 Sep 2003 07:01:01 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19tig8-0003W9-Rf; Mon, 01 Sep 2003 08:00:44 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h8170SP01013 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 08:00:28 +0100 Received: from smtp.mailbox.co.uk (smtp.mailbox.net.uk [195.82.125.32]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h8170Qa01006 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 08:00:27 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [212.18.234.229] (helo=bd39.argonet.co.uk) by smtp.mailbox.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19tifq-0001KT-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 01 Sep 2003 08:00:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Andrew To: "Ovation Pro" Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2003 08:01:05 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] New Applet - FitWidth Message-ID: <4c2afea781andrew@owlart.net> In-Reply-To: <4c23947f0ctim@de-sig.co.nz> References: <4c2307783dchris@bulldog.u-net.com> <001101c364e1$69487000$6502a8c0@padua> <4c23803b81owlart@argonet.co.uk> <4c23947f0ctim@de-sig.co.nz> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article <4c23947f0ctim@de-sig.co.nz>, Tim King wrote: > In article <4c23803b81owlart@argonet.co.uk>, > Owl-Art Un-Ltd. wrote: > > In article <001101c364e1$69487000$6502a8c0@padua>, > > Tonnie Demarteau wrote: > > Does anyone else have these problems? > >From the menu, I get Tonnie's result with Trinity. Just about > >everything else seems to work properly. Vivaldi overdid things and put > >the last word on the next line. I've now fixed this problem and uploaded a new version to my website as well as sending a copy to Chris Johnson for his site. Andrew -- http://www.owlart.net/ +----------------------------------------+---------------------------------+ | Owl-Art Un-Ltd. Design and Print Work | email: Andrew@owlart.net | | Coming to you on an Acorn RiscPC SA110 | Snail: 58 Newland Road, | | | Worthing, | | Business Cards, Invites, Newsletters, | West Sussex. | | Booklets, Programmes, Original Artwork | BN11 1JX. U.K. | +----------------------------------------+---------------------------------+ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 2 19:17:32 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19tjYc-0000Dv-Fn-0000GR.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 19:17:32 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19tjYc-0000Dv-Fn; Mon, 01 Sep 2003 07:57:04 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19tjYc-0000Dv-Fn; Mon, 01 Sep 2003 07:57:02 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19tjYW-0002L4-IO; Mon, 01 Sep 2003 08:56:56 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h817uq916430 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 08:56:52 +0100 Received: from mail-relay-5.warwick.ac.uk (mail-relay-5.warwick.ac.uk [137.205.128.30]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h817upT16424 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 08:56:51 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from mail.csv.warwick.ac.uk (host-97-8-205-137 [137.205.8.97]) by mail-relay-5.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h817up2v017326 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 08:56:51 +0100 (BST) Received: from trevor (wbs-dhcp-b055 [137.205.186.55]) by mail.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h817unjT027057 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 08:56:49 +0100 (BST) From: "Nick Kaijaks" To: Subject: RE: [softwarelist] italics Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 08:56:23 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter (http://amavis.org/) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Michael Talibard wrote about Tonnie's explanation: > > The effect 'Italic' is applied to the first occurrence - with > exception of > > Bold.Italic. Maybe also Demi.Italic. > > Thank you! Now, at least, I understand what is happening. > > The question remains, does it really have to be this way? Ah, there's a question that probably has DP quivering quietly in a corner. I wrote the following on 1 September 1999 (4 years ago to the day, curiously enough), quoting my original psuedocode from July 1997. Aren't email archives wonderful! I wonder if I'll be re-quoting it for the new release of Ovation Guru in September 2007... ;-) Cheers, Nick ============================================== Subject: RE: Setting the italic font as italic David Pilling wrote: > >It's not exactly difficult to parse a font name and then look for the > >next lighter/heavier/narrower/wider/whatever face for which the other > >parameters remain unchanged. Of course, that might not be what you > >want, although it seemed to work OK for me when I tinkered with it. > > Didn't write down the algorithm though did you ;-) > > I promise I will have another go at this. Trouble is I've > probably forgotten what the horrid snags are that made me > give up last time. I did pseudocode something that seemed sensible to me on 31 July 97. I've dug it out of the archive. Any use? [snip] > On Tue, 29 Jul 1997, Anthony Hilton wrote: > The algorithm for italic should _simply_ append the .italic to the > current font name (or more accurately search for a name with .italic > appended to the root font name) instead of finding the first instance > in the list which ends .italic, but is not .bold.italic. It would > then be flexible enough to cope with font families with many > different weights and subsets, as Rupert Thompson cited for Times > with various scripts. OK how's this for (very) pseudocode... Italic effect: - Take current complete font name (including all weights and styles) - Check if it's tail already contains any of: italic, bold.italic, oblique or bold.oblique. If so, toggle and exit. - Check for an italic version of the complete font name. If so, apply and exit. - Check for an oblique version. If so, apply and exit. - If neither found then simply exit (let the punter sort it out for themselves) Bold effect: - Take current complete font name (including all weights and styles) - Check if it's tail already contains: bold, bold.italic, bold.oblique. If so, toggle and exit. - Check if tail contains italic or oblique. Flag if so. - Check for a bold version of the complete font name (looking up a level if italic/oblique has been flagged. If so, apply and exit. - If not found then simply exit (again let the punter sort it out for themselves) Does that cover the most common eventualities? [snip] -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 2 19:17:34 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19tkdX-0005IB-8R-00005x.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 19:17:34 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19tkdX-0005IB-8R; Mon, 01 Sep 2003 10:07:42 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19tkdX-0005IB-8R; Mon, 01 Sep 2003 09:06:11 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19tkd2-0003iL-48; Mon, 01 Sep 2003 10:05:40 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h8194se07530 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 10:04:54 +0100 Received: from smtpq1.home.nl (smtpq1.home.nl [213.51.128.196]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h8194qi07519 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 10:04:52 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [213.51.128.134] (port=43492 helo=smtp3.home.nl) by smtpq1.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19tkcG-0006j4-CP for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 01 Sep 2003 11:04:52 +0200 Received: from cp418204-a.dbsch1.nb.home.nl ([217.123.44.165]:55885 helo=padua) by smtp3.home.nl with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 19tkcF-0003DE-E1 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 01 Sep 2003 11:04:51 +0200 Message-ID: <001501c37064$e9dc1120$6502a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: "Ovation Pro" References: Subject: Re: [softwarelist] italics Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 09:41:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-AtHome-MailScanner-Information: Neem contact op met support@home.nl voor meer informatie X-AtHome-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On Monday, September 01, 2003 8:56 AM, Nick Kaijaks wrote: > Michael Talibard wrote about Tonnie's explanation: > >>> The effect 'Italic' is applied to the first occurrence - with >>> exception of Bold.Italic. Maybe also Demi.Italic. >> >> Thank you! Now, at least, I understand what is happening. >> >> The question remains, does it really have to be this way? > > Ah, there's a question that probably has DP quivering quietly in a > corner. > > I wrote the following on 1 September 1999 (4 years ago to the day, > curiously enough), quoting my original psuedocode from July 1997. > Aren't email archives wonderful! I wonder if I'll be re-quoting it > for the new release of Ovation Guru in September 2007... > > ;-) Not anything reported to DP is in the archives ... I think the main problem is the fact that 'font family' or 'root' is more widely defined and used from the font menu than can be achieved with the 3 buttons and effects. Normal and Bolder-than-Normal are upright styles for a given 'font family. They can get company of 'oblique = slanted' or 'italic = script-like' styles. But, there is very little room to describe a 'font family of 4 members', when *older* fonts have to be taken into account. E.g. Bookmark, which comes with Light (N), Light.Italic (I), Demi (B) and Demi.Italic (BI) compared to a Bookman with these weights, but also a (Plain), Italic, Bold, Bold.Italic Besides that -I don't understand this choice- the additional problem of all the instances, where 'Medium' is added to a font, where (Plain) is meant. Times Roman or Times New Roman has become Trinity.Medium Helvetica has become Homerton.Medium. There is Helvetica, but there is also Helvetica Medium ... Palatino has become Paladin.Roman and Pembroke.Medium And in all those cases only the first part (before the first full stop) is seen as font name. So, I don't think it can be solved by looking at the (alphabetical) structure of the weight names. I also don't think it can be solved by comparing the boldness of strokes. I think, only a user can solve it by not using Effects or Buttons ... For Buttons and Effects the other platform is better equipped, for in a TrueType font also the 'group of 4' is also described in the font file of every font. No confusion, no matter which 4 weights are made part of such a 'group of 4'. Tonnie -- Mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 2 19:17:39 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19tnDM-0005Dt-Dy-0002q3.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 19:17:39 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19tnDM-0005Dt-Dy; Mon, 01 Sep 2003 11:54:23 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19tnDM-0005Dt-Dy; Mon, 01 Sep 2003 11:51:20 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19tnD9-00032H-1b; Mon, 01 Sep 2003 12:51:07 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h81Bor210816 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 12:50:53 +0100 Received: from smtp09.wxs.nl (smtp09.wxs.nl [195.121.6.38]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h81BopF10805 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 12:50:51 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from me (ip51cc4b49.speed.planet.nl [81.204.75.73]) by smtp09.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.14 (built Mar 18 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HKJ001ZEA5TIB@smtp09.wxs.nl> for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 01 Sep 2003 13:49:06 +0200 (MEST) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2003 13:50:02 +0200 From: Paul Sprangers Subject: [softwarelist] italics In-reply-to: <001501c37064$e9dc1120$6502a8c0@padua> To: Ovation Pro Message-id: <4c2b191b76paul@delink.nl> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.04-pre2 References: <001501c37064$e9dc1120$6502a8c0@padua> Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article <001501c37064$e9dc1120$6502a8c0@padua>, Tonnie Demarteau wrote: > So, I don't think it can be solved by looking at the (alphabetical) > structure of the weight names. I also don't think it can be solved by > comparing the boldness of strokes. > I think, only a user can solve it by not using Effects or Buttons ... I really hate to say this, but Impression always has chosen the correct italics and the correct bolds automatically. So, it CAN be done. Once I wrote a very simple basic program that also automatically gave the correct bolds and italics on any given font, no matter how many weights there are. I've even sent it to David Pilling. But apparently, there are more obstacles to overcome than finding the right name alone. Impression, though, cou... no, I've said enough. Kind regards, Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 2 19:17:41 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19tp2E-0005yi-7G-0003s0.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 19:17:41 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19tp2E-0005yi-7G; Mon, 01 Sep 2003 23:48:18 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19tp2E-0005yi-7G; Mon, 01 Sep 2003 13:47:58 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19tp1t-0001TS-RR; Mon, 01 Sep 2003 14:47:37 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h81DlOU00841 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 14:47:24 +0100 Received: from mail-relay-1.warwick.ac.uk (mail-relay-1.warwick.ac.uk [137.205.128.7]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h81DlMj00825 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 14:47:23 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from mail.csv.warwick.ac.uk (host-97-8-205-137 [137.205.8.97]) by mail-relay-1.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h81DlL1W012374 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 14:47:21 +0100 (BST) Received: from trevor (wbs-dhcp-b055 [137.205.186.55]) by mail.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h81DlJjT027138 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 14:47:20 +0100 (BST) From: "Nick Kaijaks" To: Subject: RE: [softwarelist] italics Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 14:46:52 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <001501c37064$e9dc1120$6502a8c0@padua> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter (http://amavis.org/) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist > On Monday, September 01, 2003 8:56 AM, I wrote: > > I wrote the following on 1 September 1999 (4 years ago to the day, > > curiously enough), quoting my original psuedocode from July 1997. > > Aren't email archives wonderful! I wonder if I'll be re-quoting it > > for the new release of Ovation Guru in September 2007... > > > > ;-) > > Not anything reported to DP is in the archives ... Ah, but it was in *my* email archive. It was from the old mailing list, at barnet.ac.uk, AFAICR. > So, I don't think it can be solved by looking at the (alphabetical) > structure of the weight names. I also don't think it can be solved by > comparing the boldness of strokes. > I think, only a user can solve it by not using Effects or Buttons ... Fair points made, particularly for questions of weight (eg. bold, demi, semibold, extrabold, heavy etc). However, it should be possible to make a list-based judgment of what is a given weight (look for those words, in order and pick first match) and more easily still for italic/oblique. It might not be 100% right, but it would not be plain wrong. What OP shouldn't do (as this thread started) is change a medium weight into an extrabold just because an 'italic effect' is clicked. Ideally, it should be able to maintain a context of the current weight and slant *separately* and make a smarter choice from the available options when choosing a new effect. Now what would be even better would be if RISC OS fonts carried PANOSE information... Cheers, Nick -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 2 19:17:46 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19turX-0005Yy-8D-0004A4.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 19:17:46 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19turX-0005Yy-8D; Mon, 01 Sep 2003 21:00:11 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19turX-0005Yy-8D; Mon, 01 Sep 2003 20:01:19 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19turH-0002h4-42; Mon, 01 Sep 2003 21:01:03 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h81K0Tq19367 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 21:00:29 +0100 Received: from smtpq1.home.nl (smtpq1.home.nl [213.51.128.196]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h81K0RI19355 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 21:00:28 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [213.51.128.133] (port=49399 helo=smtp2.home.nl) by smtpq1.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19tuqh-0000QI-6R for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 01 Sep 2003 22:00:27 +0200 Received: from cp418204-a.dbsch1.nb.home.nl ([217.123.44.165]:55054 helo=padua) by smtp2.home.nl with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 19tuqg-0003Ga-Bu for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 01 Sep 2003 22:00:26 +0200 Message-ID: <000c01c370c0$7f64a580$6502a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: References: Subject: Re: [softwarelist] italics Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 20:36:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-AtHome-MailScanner-Information: Neem contact op met support@home.nl voor meer informatie X-AtHome-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On Monday, September 01, 2003 2:46 PM, Nick Kaijaks wrote: when Tonnie Demarteau wrote: >> I think, only a user can solve it by not using Effects or Buttons ... > Fair points made, particularly for questions of weight (eg. bold, > demi, semibold, extrabold, heavy etc). However, it should be possible > to make a list-based judgment of what is a given weight (look for > those words, in order and pick first match) and more easily still for > italic/oblique. It might not be 100% right, but it would not be plain > wrong. I disagree: not 100% right is wrong in my view. > What OP shouldn't do (as this thread started) is change a medium > weight into an extrabold just because an 'italic effect' is clicked. > Ideally, it should be able to maintain a context of the current > weight and slant *separately* and make a smarter choice from the > available options when choosing a new effect. I agree as far as Italic/Oblique/Slanted are seen as the second possible style, where as Upright is the first. And a weight -be it Medium or ExtraBold or what else- can have only one of those 2. > Now what would be even better would be if RISC OS fonts carried PANOSE > information... Or other additional information. Of course supported by the fontmanager ... Of course with all 10 parameters correctly entered. Whilst 'correct' is correct-without-doubt. TrueType fonts in windows can have PANOSE information. This is added manually by the font designer, based on his view, for the parameters are used to be able to find similar fonts based on similarity in appearance. Many fonts have only info in the first 3 parameters. Metrics aren't taken into account. Windows fontmanager supports it. How can be seen in sorting Fonts in Windows on similarity ... Or in the header of e.g. a RTF exported from Word. At least I am more than amazed by what is considered as 'very similar'. Anyway, even when it would be implemented in RISC OS, it wouldn't help for all the existing fonts. I agree, this is far away from the original question. I still think, that only a user can solve it by not using Effects or Buttons ... Tonnie -- Mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 2 19:17:49 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19txEB-0000x5-C4-00011f.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 19:17:49 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19txEB-0000x5-C4; Mon, 01 Sep 2003 22:32:55 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19txEB-0000x5-C4; Mon, 01 Sep 2003 22:32:51 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19txDy-0000UV-UM; Mon, 01 Sep 2003 23:32:38 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h81MWVW02852 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 23:32:31 +0100 Received: from smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net (smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net [212.135.6.12]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h81MWUC02849 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 23:32:30 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from tnt-12-247.easynet.co.uk ([212.134.20.247] helo=miranda.philipnet.com) by smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 19txDp-0000le-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 01 Sep 2003 23:32:29 +0100 Received: from philipnet.com (gromit.philipnet.com [192.168.1.33]) by miranda.philipnet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B26DB2BEB4 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 18:29:21 +0100 (BST) Received: from philip by philipnet.com with local (RemoteNB 1.54) for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; 01 Sep 2003 18:28:59 +0100 Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2003 18:28:57 +0100 From: Philip Ludlam To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: RE: [softwarelist] italics Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (RemoteNB/1.54) (RISC-OS/4.33) X-Sender: Philip Ludlam X-Sender-URL: http://www.philipnet.com/ X-Editor: StrongED 4.66 (stable) X-Editor-URL: http://www.stronged.iconbar.com/ X-Desktop-Utility: Director X-Desktop-Utility-URL: http://director.sourceforge.net/ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 1 Sep, in message "Nick Kaijaks" wrote: >Michael Talibard wrote about Tonnie's explanation: > >> > The effect 'Italic' is applied to the first occurrence - with >> exception of >> > Bold.Italic. Maybe also Demi.Italic. >> >> Thank you! Now, at least, I understand what is happening. >> >> The question remains, does it really have to be this way? > >Ah, there's a question that probably has DP quivering quietly in a corner. > >I wrote the following on 1 September 1999 (4 years ago to the day, curiously >enough), quoting my original psuedocode from July 1997. Aren't email >archives wonderful! I wonder if I'll be re-quoting it for the new release of >Ovation Guru in September 2007... [snip] >Does that cover the most common eventualities? [snip] One would hope that certain system variables would be of help here: Font$Bold : Bold ExtraBold Ultra Heavy Black Font$Italic : Italic Oblique Slant (as used/set by EasiWriter). Yours, Phil L. -- http://www.philipnet.com http://director.sourceforge.net i ou a uea i e a o ie e a o a a oue oae -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 2 19:17:57 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19u8Wb-0005aG-4k-0003AS.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 19:17:57 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19u8Wb-0005aG-4k; Tue, 02 Sep 2003 12:43:53 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19u8Wb-0005aG-4k; Tue, 02 Sep 2003 10:36:37 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19u8WA-0006vY-HG; Tue, 02 Sep 2003 11:36:10 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h82AZm529916 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 11:35:48 +0100 Received: from smtpq2.home.nl (smtpq2.home.nl [213.51.128.197]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h82AZkF29902 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 11:35:46 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [213.51.128.133] (port=46608 helo=smtp2.home.nl) by smtpq2.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19u8Vm-0006eO-4T for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 02 Sep 2003 12:35:46 +0200 Received: from cp418204-a.dbsch1.nb.home.nl ([217.123.44.165]:55224 helo=padua) by smtp2.home.nl with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 19u8Vl-0007ph-5I for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 02 Sep 2003 12:35:45 +0200 Message-ID: <004501c3713a$abf64070$6502a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: "Ovation Pro" References: <001501c37064$e9dc1120$6502a8c0@padua> <4c2b191b76paul@delink.nl> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] italics Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 11:07:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-AtHome-MailScanner-Information: Neem contact op met support@home.nl voor meer informatie X-AtHome-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On Monday, September 01, 2003 12:50 PM, Paul Sprangers wrote: > In article <001501c37064$e9dc1120$6502a8c0@padua>, > Tonnie Demarteau wrote: > >> So, I don't think it can be solved by looking at the (alphabetical) >> structure of the weight names. I also don't think it can be solved by >> comparing the boldness of strokes. >> I think, only a user can solve it by not using Effects or Buttons ... > > I really hate to say this, but Impression always has chosen the > correct italics and the correct bolds automatically. So, it CAN be > done. > > Once I wrote a very simple basic program that also automatically gave > the correct bolds and italics on any given font, no matter how many > weights there are. I've even sent it to David Pilling. But > apparently, there are more obstacles to overcome than finding the > right name alone. Impression, though, cou... no, I've said enough. I agree, that Impression does a better job here. The info palette shows clearly, that in case of e.g. Bembo.ExtraBold or Optima.(Demi)Bold or Optima.UltraBold and Italics, Impression doesn't use Bembo or Optima as root, but -when appropriate- the additional weight. That is a 'longer fontname', than the part before the first full stop. Impression also doesn't go or doesn't has the need to go for the 'first' alphabetical appearance of an Italic/Oblique. Sadly, what is done correct in Impression, becomes wrong when imported (via IMP filter) in OP , when Italic is used as Effect in Impression ... Tonnie -- Mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 2 19:17:58 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19u8eF-00011J-7d-000161.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 19:17:58 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19u8eF-00011J-7d; Tue, 02 Sep 2003 10:44:33 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19u8eF-00011J-7d; Tue, 02 Sep 2003 10:44:31 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19u8WA-0001eT-W3; Tue, 02 Sep 2003 11:36:11 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h82AZmP29923 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 11:35:48 +0100 Received: from smtpq3.home.nl (smtpq3.home.nl [213.51.128.198]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h82AZln29906 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 11:35:47 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [213.51.128.133] (port=46611 helo=smtp2.home.nl) by smtpq3.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19u8Vm-0008Sf-JK for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 02 Sep 2003 12:35:46 +0200 Received: from cp418204-a.dbsch1.nb.home.nl ([217.123.44.165]:55224 helo=padua) by smtp2.home.nl with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 19u8Vl-0007ph-CW for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 02 Sep 2003 12:35:45 +0200 Message-ID: <004601c3713a$ac17ab20$6502a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: "Ovation Pro" References: Subject: Re: [softwarelist] italics Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 11:12:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-AtHome-MailScanner-Information: Neem contact op met support@home.nl voor meer informatie X-AtHome-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On Monday, September 01, 2003 6:28 PM, Philip Ludlam wrote: > On 1 Sep, in message > "Nick > Kaijaks" wrote: > >> Michael Talibard wrote about Tonnie's explanation: >> >>>The effect 'Italic' is applied to the first occurrence - with >>> exception of Bold.Italic. Maybe also Demi.Italic. >>> >>> Thank you! Now, at least, I understand what is happening. >>> >>> The question remains, does it really have to be this way? >> >> Ah, there's a question that probably has DP quivering quietly in a >> corner. > [snip] > >> Does that cover the most common eventualities? > > [snip] > > One would hope that certain system variables would be of help here: > Font$Bold : Bold ExtraBold Ultra Heavy Black > Font$Italic : Italic Oblique Slant > > (as used/set by EasiWriter). Applying effects (menu or button) in Easiwriter does what it says. Applying effects, based on the weights installed. Not on fonts, which are actually used, when the doc was composed. This means, the weights don't have to be the same. Example: Optima.Bold, Optima.DemiBold, Optima.UltraBold. Make a document with some text in Optima and set it to Bold with button or Bold effect in Text menu. Text menu says: Font: Optima Regular. Effect Bold with tick Typestyle: Optima Regular Plain. Save this document. Load this document with only Optima.DemiBold and Optima.UltraBold. Easiwriter loads this doc, using DemiBold. No mentioning of missing Bold. The effect can still correctly be applied by EW by using DemiBold. Info in text menu is still correct and remains the same. Load this document with only Optima.UltraBold. Easiwriter loads this doc, using DemiBold. No mentioning of missing Bold. The effect can still correctly be applied by EW by using UltraBold. Info in text menu is still correct and remains the same. BTW: to be able to do such an experiment, you have to be sure, that font menu of EW shows the actually present fonts and also that the fontcache is clear. To make sure, that the weight is used as intended, the font has also to be chosen from the fontmenu. Or -likely- be imported as DDF from Impression. Obviously, I also don't think that system$variables would be of help here in case of fonts with 'possibly' more or other 'bolder' weights. I agree with Paul Sprangers, that Impression does a better job here. Together with the Windows version of Ovation Pro, in which no large font families are supported by the font manager. Tonnie -- Mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 2 21:33:21 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19uHH9-0006AM-8n-0007PJ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 21:33:21 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19uHH9-0006AM-8n; Tue, 02 Sep 2003 20:32:23 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19uHH9-0006AM-8n; Tue, 02 Sep 2003 19:57:17 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19uHGu-0006Uh-Kz; Tue, 02 Sep 2003 20:57:00 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h82Juoa30267 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 20:56:50 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h82JuoU30264 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 20:56:50 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19uHGj-000MHc-0V for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 02 Sep 2003 20:56:49 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 20:55:23 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts with Iyonix References: <4c29a46949sbellon@sbellon.de> <1062174950.2101.0.camel@mslaptop> <4c29f73fc3sbellon@sbellon.de> <1062262600.1989.0.camel@mslaptop> <4c2a324704sbellon@sbellon.de> In-Reply-To: <4c2a324704sbellon@sbellon.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Subject: Re: Fonts with Iyonix Message-ID: <4c2a0652b6bric@f2s.com> In-Reply-To: <4c29b01993lists@locsource.com> References: <4c29a46949sbellon@sbellon.de> <4c29b01993lists@locsource.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.33) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain In article <4c29b01993lists@locsource.com>, Kell Gatherer wrote: > In article <4c29a46949sbellon@sbellon.de>, Stefan Bellon > wrote: [Snip] > > I have converted FontDir Pro to 32-bit. It's now up to > > Adrian Look to do the distribution. Please be a little bit > > more patient. There will be an upgrade. > As a beta-tester, I can confirm that FontDir Pro performs > immaculately on the Iyonix. Stefan did the conversion, and > Richard Hallas created a nifty new icon set. Hopefully it will > be released officially very soon now. Can either of you say whether the new version will be available for use on machines other than Iyonix and if so, whether the inflexible copy-protection has been removed? Brian. -- ______________________________________________________________ Brian Carroll, Ripon, North Yorkshire, UK bric@f2s.com ______________________________________________________________ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 2 23:27:17 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19uHOV-0002lD-9J-0006XZ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 23:27:17 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19uHOV-0002lD-9J; Tue, 02 Sep 2003 22:26:53 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19uHOV-0002lD-9J; Tue, 02 Sep 2003 20:04:51 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19uHOM-0003T9-OD; Tue, 02 Sep 2003 21:04:42 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h82K4Gw00593 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 21:04:16 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h82K4FW00588 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 21:04:15 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19uHNv-00006K-0X for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 02 Sep 2003 21:04:15 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 21:03:04 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] italics References: <004601c3713a$ac17ab20$6502a8c0@padua> In-Reply-To: <004601c3713a$ac17ab20$6502a8c0@padua> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >I agree with Paul Sprangers, that Impression does a better job here. >Together with the Windows version of Ovation Pro, in which no large font >families are supported by the font manager. This has been a long running saga. Why have I done nothing? Mostly because of the amount of effort that was expended in arriving at the current situation - few people say they like the current way it works, but I think you all liked the previous way even less. I've yet to see an alternative proposed which stands out as being perfect - i.e. making every one happy all the time. Partly this is an excuse, but any scheme has to work on all the fonts around and in the way many people expect. It also really has to work in practice. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Sep 3 00:23:45 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19uHIH-0006CV-4V-0002Rd.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 00:23:45 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19uHIH-0006CV-4V; Tue, 02 Sep 2003 23:23:08 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19uHIH-0006CV-4V; Tue, 02 Sep 2003 19:58:25 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19uHI7-0002VH-Sx; Tue, 02 Sep 2003 20:58:15 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h82JwBF30773 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 20:58:11 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h82JwA930770 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 20:58:10 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19uHI1-000MSO-0V for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 02 Sep 2003 20:58:09 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 20:56:52 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Fonts in Windows References: <004601c3713a$ac17ab20$6502a8c0@padua> In-Reply-To: <004601c3713a$ac17ab20$6502a8c0@padua> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >From: M P Churchill >Subject: [softwarelist] Fonts in Windows I find that I cannot select the correct font in OvPro for Win. I am using Windows XP Home, with rather a lot of fonts installed. When I select a font which has a single entry (no weights available) it works OK. When I select one with different weights/styles, a completely different font gets used. There is some pattern to this - if I choose the four styles of a font one after the other, I get four (different) fonts but in sequence. Any ideas? Just too many fonts to cope with? -- Malcolm -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Sep 3 02:19:41 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19uMIl-0004uy-Fl-0004yt.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 02:19:41 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19uMIl-0004uy-Fl; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 01:19:18 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19uMIl-0004uy-Fl; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 01:19:15 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19uMIb-0008BT-FG; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 02:19:05 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h831IrR26210 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 02:18:53 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h831Iqp26207 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 02:18:52 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19uMIN-000A1f-0Y for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 02:18:51 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 02:17:36 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Fonts in Windows References: <004601c3713a$ac17ab20$6502a8c0@padua> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >I find that I cannot select the correct font in OvPro for Win. I am >using >Any ideas? Just too many fonts to cope with? No idea. Certainly earlier versions did have bugs in that gave effects like you describe. The OPW font menu is a sore point, although XP will let you scroll the menu the effect is poor and other versions of Windows don't scroll at all. Anyway, the next version has its own font menu. So the bottom line is wait until it is out. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Sep 3 02:21:42 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19uML3-0003Rc-41-0003TD.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 02:21:42 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19uML3-0003Rc-41; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 01:21:38 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19uML3-0003Rc-41; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 01:21:37 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19uMKy-000072-2b; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 02:21:32 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h831LUL26657 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 02:21:30 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h831LT826653 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 02:21:29 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 19uMKu-0001bK-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 02:21:28 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 02:19:53 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] OvHTML - HTML import/export from OP References: <004601c3713a$ac17ab20$6502a8c0@padua> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist > Rick Murray wrote: > Hello everybody! > > "OvHTML" is a filter for Ovation Pro that allows you to import HTML > documents. It supports a variety of HTML tags, GIF and JPEG images, > and it'll try to render to something akin to HTML 2.0 (ie, it > doesn't do tables or frames). > There are a multitude of options. I think it is safe to say that the > output created is SO close to Fresco (when running with > tables/frames disabled) that I've found myself clicking a blue > underlined word in the Ovation Pro window and wondering why nothing > happens ... on more than one occaision! > > But, it doesn't stop there! > > My original aim for OvHTML was to read the Buffy shooting scripts. > Most of these are in a 'centred' table, and all the text is in > "Verdana". Well, I'd prefer no table, and the dialogue to be in > Corpus, with the dialogue attribution to be in bold. Amazingly, > OvHTML can DO THIS for me! There is a 'translation' system that > allows you to replace one HTML tag with another, mess with certain > aspects of the parser output, etc etc. > > There's EVEN more! A special tag allows you to define > certain aspects of the output - most usefully the base text size and > the base leading. So no longer does the "Nurse Betty" screenplay > look messy on A4. Just make the text a tad smaller, and let it roll. > > And there's more! A special tag will call in the > "Scripter" system. It is an HTML-like scripting system designed by > me that you can use to write screenplays. This is part of OvHTML as > it shares a lot of the parsing methodology. > > And there's more (good god!)... After running OvHTML, you'll notice > Ovation Pro has three "save" options... Document, DDL, and... you > guessed it, HTML ! The HTML output is not very good (early days), > but it's a hell of a lot better than doing it by hand from ASCII or > DDL output... > > If you have ever thought of writing a screenplay or teleplay, or if > you've ever wondered about importing/exporting HTML to/from Ovation > Pro, then OvHTML is what you need. > > > ********************** > IT IS COMPLETELY FREE! > ********************** > > > Simply point your browser at: > http://www.heyrick.co.uk/software/ovhtml.html > > > PS: The idea of the user guide is that you print it pamphlet style > (retaining the 71% scale) to A4, back to back. Fold the lot > together, and there's 20 pages of user guide (5 pieces of A4). > > The Scripter user guide is seperate as it is more specialised. > > The HTML export guide is seperate as the exporter is an early > version. > > And the release notes describe all sorts of useful things, > including examples of what OvHTML loaded, a listing of ALL of > the recognised tags, and other things to note. > > > -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpill