From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Aug 1 21:53:01 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19ifEr-0003ig-3p-0003ly.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 21:53:01 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19ifEr-0003ig-3p; Fri, 01 Aug 2003 19:06:55 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19ifEr-0003ig-3p; Fri, 01 Aug 2003 19:06:53 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19ifEF-0003kC-Mo; Fri, 01 Aug 2003 20:06:15 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h71J4Fq22605 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 20:04:15 +0100 Received: from smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net (smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net [212.135.6.12]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h71J4ET22601 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 20:04:14 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from tnt-13-194.easynet.co.uk ([212.134.22.194] helo=miranda.philipnet.com) by smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 19ifCG-000PAD-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 01 Aug 2003 20:04:13 +0100 Received: from philipnet.com (gromit.philipnet.com [192.168.1.33]) by miranda.philipnet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B933E2C0D1 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 16:45:05 +0100 (BST) Received: from philip by philipnet.com with local (RemoteNB 1.54) for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; 01 Aug 2003 16:44:58 +0100 Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 16:44:56 +0100 From: Philip Ludlam To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS request Message-ID: <24b3371b4c.philip@philipnet.com> References: <2526381a4c.matthew@aether.demon.co.uk> <7P3Y5bE3hBK$Ewip@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c1a4a17bcdfs@ukgateway.net> <+Nr55ACGCSK$Ewy9@pilling.demon.co.uk> <+sspBREYmSK$EwwZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c1ac54ddbjohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4c1ac54ddbjohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (RemoteNB/1.54) (RISC-OS/4.36) X-Sender: Philip Ludlam X-Sender-URL: http://www.philipnet.com/ X-Editor: StrongED 4.66 (stable) X-Editor-URL: http://www.stronged.iconbar.com/ X-Desktop-Utility: Director X-Desktop-Utility-URL: http://director.sourceforge.net/ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 31 Jul, in message <4c1ac54ddbjohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> John Cartmell wrote: >On 31 Jul, David Pilling wrote: >> >Absolutely, we need our developer stalwarts not to show lack of support >> >verbally. As for motivation, perhaps upgrades of all but bug-fixes >> >should be charged. Many like myself will try and have the latest >> >version in use and would be prepared to pay for it. > >> It's always been hard to know what to do, say something negative and you >> risk damaging the business of other people. On the other hand say >> nothing and you are guilty of misleading users by creating a false >> impression. > >> I've been reluctant to charge for upgrades in recent times because the >> money raised will be slight (too few users), will involve lots of time >> spent on admin, and those who have paid will rightly expect a good >> standard of support going on long into the future. > >I'd suggest Martin Wuerthner might have it right with charging for >*additions* to the basic program and charging for a major update whilst >ordinary upgrades/bug removals are free. >It costs users more but the money has to be generated somehow! Seconded! You can also take another leaf out of Martin's book, use external companies/services to took after as much as possible. You can send him money for all sorts of things via PayPal and he uses another company (can't remember the name) for handling payment of software and initial distribution. Yours, Phil L. -- http://www.philipnet.com http://director.sourceforge.net i ou a uea i e a o ie e a o a a oue oae -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Aug 1 22:30:20 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19ihT1-0004RQ-9B-0004Vh.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 22:30:20 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19ihT1-0004RQ-9B; Fri, 01 Aug 2003 21:29:42 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19ihT1-0004RQ-9B; Fri, 01 Aug 2003 21:29:39 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19ih5c-0006CZ-I1; Fri, 01 Aug 2003 22:05:28 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h71L4Ur21326 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 22:04:30 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h71L4UX21321 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 22:04:30 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19ih4f-000EjQ-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 01 Aug 2003 22:04:29 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 22:03:16 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS request References: <2526381a4c.matthew@aether.demon.co.uk> <7P3Y5bE3hBK$Ewip@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c1a4a17bcdfs@ukgateway.net> <+Nr55ACGCSK$Ewy9@pilling.demon.co.uk> <+sspBREYmSK$EwwZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c1ac54ddbjohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <24b3371b4c.philip@philipnet.com> In-Reply-To: <24b3371b4c.philip@philipnet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >You can also take another leaf out of Martin's book, use external >companies/services to took after as much as possible. You can send him >money for all sorts of things via PayPal and he uses another company Fair comment, to an extent I'm living in the past, assuming you all want discs and printed manuals, and taking payment by cheque. I really should get my ecommerce facility going. Thanks for the encouraging responses. I guess at the moment there's something of a set back in the IT industry in the UK. If anyone has a bright idea for a new RISC OS program, or thinks they can do better than an existing one, there are plenty of programmers available. I frequently get solicitations from third world code shops, offering to write stuff for me at low cost. So you could go that route. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Aug 1 23:09:38 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19ii5H-0003zI-3a-000453.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 23:09:38 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19ii5H-0003zI-3a; Fri, 01 Aug 2003 22:09:13 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19ii5H-0003zI-3a; Fri, 01 Aug 2003 22:09:11 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19ihx3-0001Hi-5I; Fri, 01 Aug 2003 23:00:41 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h71M0WG01911 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 23:00:32 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h71M0SY01874 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 23:00:29 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 19ihwp-0003Lg-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 01 Aug 2003 23:00:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 22:53:00 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS request Message-ID: <4c1b59658fJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <2526381a4c.matthew@aether.demon.co.uk> <7P3Y5bE3hBK$Ewip@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c1a4a17bcdfs@ukgateway.net> <+Nr55ACGCSK$Ewy9@pilling.demon.co.uk> <+sspBREYmSK$EwwZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c1ac54ddbjohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <24b3371b4c.philip@philipnet.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article , David Pilling wrote: > I frequently get solicitations from third world code shops, offering > to write stuff for me at low cost. So you could go that route. I bet they don't know anything about RO though. -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Aug 1 23:27:47 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19iiMh-0002rQ-ES-0002tP.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 23:27:47 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19iiMh-0002rQ-ES; Fri, 01 Aug 2003 22:27:13 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19iiMh-0002rQ-ES; Fri, 01 Aug 2003 22:27:11 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19iiMS-0000MZ-0O; Fri, 01 Aug 2003 23:26:56 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h71MQM108921 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 23:26:22 +0100 Received: from aquarius.realingenuity.net (aquarius.realingenuity.net [213.165.154.155]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h71MQL808917 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 23:26:21 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from RTV (1Cust153.tnt14.lnd1.gbr.da.uu.net [62.188.4.153]) by aquarius.realingenuity.net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id h71MGVa09179 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 23:16:32 +0100 Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 22:51:33 +0100 From: Mik Towse To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OPro Windows Stysheet extension clash? Message-ID: <4C1B5943BA%mik.towse@xemik.com> References: <2526381a4c.matthew@aether.demon.co.uk> <7P3Y5bE3hBK$Ewip@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c1a4a17bcdfs@ukgateway.net> <+Nr55ACGCSK$Ewy9@pilling.demon.co.uk> <+sspBREYmSK$EwwZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.61 POPstar/2.05 X-Editor: Zap 1.45, using ZapEmail 0.26 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article David Pilling wrote: > >I've just noticed from the RComp/DataPoer2 wbsite that the extension > >for a Windows version of a DataPower script file is .dps - as I'm > >considering getting DP for its cross platform ability, and have > >installed OPro for windows, might there be a problem there? > >Colin Carnegie > Thanks. Good point. > > Given my limited experience of the Windows world, I've wondered how such > conflicts are resolved. [snip] > I have considered going beyond three character extensions, these don't > seem popular, but offer a much larger name space. IME these seem most common when linked to the 'net & two character extensions are possible. How about using the ROS filetype (B27) as the extn? FWIW it's not listed on my XP laptop. -- Centuries ago, cats were worshipped as gods. Cats have not forgotten this. __ __ _ _ _____ | \/ (_) | __ |_ _|____ __ _____ ___ | |\/| | | |/ / | |/ _ \ V V (_- for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 02:28:17 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19ilBf-0001LI-5v; Sat, 02 Aug 2003 01:28:02 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19ilBf-0001LI-5v; Sat, 02 Aug 2003 01:27:59 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19ilBM-0002Il-7s; Sat, 02 Aug 2003 02:27:40 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h721R6u05309 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 02:27:06 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h721R4o05306 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 02:27:04 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19ilAm-0002KF-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 02 Aug 2003 02:27:04 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 02:25:35 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OPro Windows Stysheet extension clash? References: <2526381a4c.matthew@aether.demon.co.uk> <7P3Y5bE3hBK$Ewip@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c1a4a17bcdfs@ukgateway.net> <+Nr55ACGCSK$Ewy9@pilling.demon.co.uk> <+sspBREYmSK$EwwZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4C1B5943BA%mik.towse@xemik.com> In-Reply-To: <4C1B5943BA%mik.towse@xemik.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >are possible. How about using the ROS filetype (B27) as the extn? FWIW it's >not listed on my XP laptop. Having the RISC OS numeric types (as well) is definitely on the cards, offering some compatibility with file transfer software. One site which gives a list of extensions is; http://www.ace.net.nz/tech/TechFileFormat.html although it seems to not know about .dps -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Aug 2 13:59:48 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19itNr-00036A-Ff-00039Q.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 13:59:48 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19itNr-00036A-Ff; Sat, 02 Aug 2003 10:13:10 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19itNr-00036A-Ff; Sat, 02 Aug 2003 10:13:07 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19issK-0005C6-8i; Sat, 02 Aug 2003 10:40:32 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h729e1631752 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 10:40:01 +0100 Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h729e1l31749 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 10:40:01 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [62.188.156.205] (helo=62.188.156.205) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 19isrm-0008Vy-Qg for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 02 Aug 2003 10:39:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Rob Hemmings To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2003 09:52:47 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS request Message-ID: <4c1b95cd61robh@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <2526381a4c.matthew@aether.demon.co.uk> <7P3Y5bE3hBK$Ewip@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c1a4a17bcdfs@ukgateway.net> <+Nr55ACGCSK$Ewy9@pilling.demon.co.uk> <+sspBREYmSK$EwwZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c1ac54ddbjohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <24b3371b4c.philip@philipnet.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article , David Pilling wrote: > >You can also take another leaf out of Martin's book, use external > >companies/services to took after as much as possible. You can send him > >money for all sorts of things via PayPal and he uses another company > Fair comment, to an extent I'm living in the past, assuming you all > want discs and printed manuals, and taking payment by cheque. I really > should get my ecommerce facility going. > Thanks for the encouraging responses. I'd just like to add mine :-) I'm very prepared to pay for any enhancements to any of your RISC OS products that I own (OPro, DPSS, Trace, SparkFS). Paypal seems like a good route - I like the speed. Printed manuals are nice but certainly not essential - to be honest I can't remember when I last opened the one for OPro. -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Hemmings Southport Tel: +44 (0)1704 573210 rhemmings@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Aug 2 14:54:08 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19iwp9-0000WK-Du-0000Z0.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 14:54:08 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19iwp9-0000WK-Du; Sat, 02 Aug 2003 13:53:33 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19iwp9-0000WK-Du; Sat, 02 Aug 2003 13:53:31 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19iwor-0003xR-0G; Sat, 02 Aug 2003 14:53:13 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h72DqL720318 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 14:52:21 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h72DqK820314 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 14:52:20 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 19iwo0-0004m4-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 02 Aug 2003 14:52:20 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 14:50:59 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS request References: <2526381a4c.matthew@aether.demon.co.uk> <7P3Y5bE3hBK$Ewip@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c1a4a17bcdfs@ukgateway.net> <+Nr55ACGCSK$Ewy9@pilling.demon.co.uk> <+sspBREYmSK$EwwZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c1ac54ddbjohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <24b3371b4c.philip@philipnet.com> <4c1b95cd61robh@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4c1b95cd61robh@argonet.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >I'm very prepared to pay for any enhancements to any of your RISC OS >products that I own (OPro, DPSS, Trace, SparkFS). Thank you. Money isn't the problem. The problem is the expectation, the experience in fact, that effort expended on RISC OS is cast to the wind. Stan Boland taking his 500 million quid to close down Acorn, didn't say "oh a lot of people have spent 10 years writing software which will now be wasted, I'd better think again". Nor for that matter did the tens of thousands of RISC OS users who through the 1990's turned down Strong ARM running RISC OS for 486's running Windows 3.1. If you write software for a platform which has some life in it, there is the chance to do something good. To an extent this is a strange time to have this discussion. In Titanic terms the Acorn market is not at the point where the iceberg appears, nor at the point where the ship hits it. We're now at the point where Kate Winslet has bobbed off over the horizon clutching driftwood. I'm going to tweek my moustache in an evil looking way and squeeze into a lifeboat between the widows and orphans, the rest of you are presumably hanging around to see what happens to the band. Meanwhile, I'd like to apologise for yesterdays news posting. I hate it when people send me email in HTML format, and that's just what I did. All went wrong because I used Outlook, something I usually avoid at all costs. He who sups with the devil etc. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Aug 2 15:26:23 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19ixKK-0000o0-7c-0000qT.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 15:26:23 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19ixKK-0000o0-7c; Sat, 02 Aug 2003 14:25:46 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19ixKK-0000o0-7c; Sat, 02 Aug 2003 14:25:44 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19ixKB-0004rE-1u; Sat, 02 Aug 2003 15:25:35 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h72EPT026722 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 15:25:29 +0100 Received: from chaos.uk.clara.net (chaos.uk.clara.net [195.8.69.185]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h72EPTc26717 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 15:25:29 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from du-033-0119.claranet.co.uk ([195.8.88.119] helo=clara) by chaos.uk.clara.net with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 19ixK4-000Gtv-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 02 Aug 2003 15:25:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: William Lack To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2003 15:27:55 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OPro Windows Stysheet extension clash? Message-ID: <4c1bb47c0ewilliamlack@clara.net> In-Reply-To: References: <2526381a4c.matthew@aether.demon.co.uk> <7P3Y5bE3hBK$Ewip@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c1a4a17bcdfs@ukgateway.net> <+Nr55ACGCSK$Ewy9@pilling.demon.co.uk> <+sspBREYmSK$EwwZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4C1B5943BA%mik.towse@xemik.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.02f (RISC-OS/4.36) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 02 Aug, David Pilling wrote: > >are possible. How about using the ROS filetype (B27) as the extn? FWIW > >it's not listed on my XP laptop. > Having the RISC OS numeric types (as well) is definitely on the cards, > offering some compatibility with file transfer software. > One site which gives a list of extensions is; > http://www.ace.net.nz/tech/TechFileFormat.html > although it seems to not know about .dps Surely the windows extension for Datapower files is dp1 ? I do quite a lot of transfer of datapower files between the two platforms and all the ones on the PC have dp1 extensions. -- William Lack --------------------- williamlack@clara.net County Series: http://home.clara.net/williamlack/index.htm -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Aug 2 15:48:35 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19ixg5-000684-Fr-0006AH.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 15:48:35 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19ixg5-000684-Fr; Sat, 02 Aug 2003 14:48:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19ixg5-000684-Fr; Sat, 02 Aug 2003 14:48:13 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19ixff-0006JC-Gb; Sat, 02 Aug 2003 15:47:47 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h72Elhi31344 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 15:47:43 +0100 Received: from mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (mta02-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.42]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h72Elg931337 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 15:47:42 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from Iyonix ([213.105.82.211]) by mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20030802144742.RFWV9049.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@Iyonix> for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 15:47:42 +0100 Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2003 15:49:27 +0100 From: John Sandford To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS request Message-ID: References: <2526381a4c.matthew@aether.demon.co.uk> <7P3Y5bE3hBK$Ewip@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c1a4a17bcdfs@ukgateway.net> <+Nr55ACGCSK$Ewy9@pilling.demon.co.uk> <+sspBREYmSK$EwwZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c1ac54ddbjohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <24b3371b4c.philip@philipnet.com> <4c1b95cd61robh@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.70a (MsgServe/2.10) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message David Pilling wrote: [snip] > To an extent this is a strange time to have this discussion. In Titanic > terms the Acorn market is not at the point where the iceberg appears, > nor at the point where the ship hits it. We're now at the point where > Kate Winslet has bobbed off over the horizon clutching driftwood. I'm > going to tweek my moustache in an evil looking way and squeeze into a > lifeboat between the widows and orphans, the rest of you are presumably > hanging around to see what happens to the band. [snip] Excepting the above, Kate Winslet (aka the character she portrayed) survived for a further 60 odd years ! :-) -- John Sandford West Herts UK Hemel Hempstead Risc OS User Group www.hhrug.org.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Aug 5 23:12:24 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19j3TL-00058l-70-0005Dl.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 23:12:24 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19j3TL-00058l-70; Sat, 02 Aug 2003 20:59:29 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19j3TL-00058l-70; Sat, 02 Aug 2003 20:59:27 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19j3Sv-0001JZ-D6; Sat, 02 Aug 2003 21:59:01 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h72KwWw07743 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 21:58:32 +0100 Received: from aquarius.realingenuity.net (aquarius.realingenuity.net [213.165.154.155]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h72KwUo07723 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 21:58:30 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from RTV (1Cust18.tnt13.lnd1.gbr.da.uu.net [62.188.1.18]) by aquarius.realingenuity.net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id h72Kmca00674 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 21:48:39 +0100 Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2003 21:49:44 +0100 From: Mik Towse To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS request Message-ID: <4C1BD770D2%mik.towse@xemik.com> References: <+sspBREYmSK$EwwZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c1ac54ddbjohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <24b3371b4c.philip@philipnet.com> <4c1b95cd61robh@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.61 POPstar/2.05 X-Editor: Zap 1.45, using ZapEmail 0.26 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article John Sandford wrote: > David Pilling wrote: > [snip] > > To an extent this is a strange time to have this discussion. In Titanic > > terms the Acorn market is not at the point where the iceberg appears, > > nor at the point where the ship hits it. We're now at the point where > > Kate Winslet has bobbed off over the horizon clutching driftwood. I'm > > going to tweek my moustache in an evil looking way and squeeze into a > > lifeboat between the widows and orphans, the rest of you are presumably > > hanging around to see what happens to the band. > [snip] > survived for a further 60 odd years ! :-) A fair point; AIUI the Amiga is still going 'strong'. However, I think David is alluding to the possibility (fact?) that ROS will only ever be a fringe OS. Unfortunately, most ppl's experience does not extend beyond M$ dross, so this situation is unlikely to change 'real soon' (despite recent developments). In the ROS world David s/w has little or no competition, so it's a credit to him that it is of such high quality. When you look at what we as long term ROS users take for granted it's quite worrying to see what PC users accept as the norm. Many PC users friends have wondered at my sanity for using a 9yo computer, when I could have the latest high-speed blah-de-blah (which I do have, but...). Well, recently I was asked to design something to wrap around a mug. The PCC had been messing with ideas on a PC for a couple of days & got nowhere. Well to cut to the chase, I put the kettle on, fired up OPro & had the design finished by the time the coffee was finished! I mean, Windoze /still/ doesn't have proper drag & drop. I will probably still be using ROS when the credits to 'Titanic III - A Space Opera' are playing. (Fancy not seeing that asteroid!) Sorry for the long post, but it hit a nerve, STS. What I'm trying to say, I guess, is that ROS is a long way from dead, but it /does/ need support. -- If practice makes perfect, and nobody's perfect, why practice? __ __ _ _ _____ | \/ (_) | __ |_ _|____ __ _____ ___ | |\/| | | |/ / | |/ _ \ V V (_- for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 23:12:27 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19j4hN-0005Dd-Et; Sat, 02 Aug 2003 22:18:03 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19j4hN-0005Dd-Et; Sat, 02 Aug 2003 22:18:01 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19j4gm-00080h-DH; Sat, 02 Aug 2003 23:17:24 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h72MGoh21549 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 23:16:50 +0100 Received: from kx1-gui.server.which.net (kx1-gui.server.which.net [194.168.97.11]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h72MGns21541 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 23:16:49 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from dan-q2amtw6l9qb.which.net ([62.255.44.16]) by kx1-gui.server.which.net (InterMail vK.4.04.00.00 201-232-137 license e70b2acfbd69d84cc925654164bd8fad) with ESMTP id <20030802221648.YRKC11089.kx1-gui@dan-q2amtw6l9qb.which.net> for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 23:16:48 +0100 Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.0.20030802174331.00b3bd58@mail.which.net> X-Sender: waddell@mail.which.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2003 18:15:15 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: John Waddell Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS request In-Reply-To: References: <2526381a4c.matthew@aether.demon.co.uk> <7P3Y5bE3hBK$Ewip@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c1a4a17bcdfs@ukgateway.net> <+Nr55ACGCSK$Ewy9@pilling.demon.co.uk> <+sspBREYmSK$EwwZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c1ac54ddbjohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <24b3371b4c.philip@philipnet.com> <4c1b95cd61robh@argonet.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist At 15:49 02-08-03 +0100, you wrote: >In message > David Pilling wrote: > >[snip] > > > > To an extent this is a strange time to have this discussion. In Titanic > > terms the Acorn market is not at the point where the iceberg appears, > > nor at the point where the ship hits it. We're now at the point where > > Kate Winslet has bobbed off over the horizon clutching driftwood. I'm > > going to tweek my moustache in an evil looking way and squeeze into a > > lifeboat between the widows and orphans, the rest of you are presumably > > hanging around to see what happens to the band. > >[snip] > >Excepting the above, Kate Winslet (aka the character she portrayed) >survived for a further 60 odd years ! :-) Yes but by then her operating system had degraded more than gracefully and she needed help in porting herself around. The sad part is that a lot of good people went down with the ship. I did not buy a ticket. Because there was a serious delay in getting the cabin I wanted and no guarantee it would be ready by the time I needed to travel, I bought a ticket on another liner. I have to confess that there were a great many bozos on the alternative liner, who did not have an intellectual bone in their bodies and although the food was not as nourishing as on the Titanic, there was plenty more of it with a greater variety, it kept me alive reasonably well and got me to my destination. The ticket was cheaper too. I see there is now a new liner on the horizon but its sea trials are not completed, I really don't want to and can't afford to finance another voyage, however attractive it might become. Sigh. John W. -- John Waddell, Langbank, Renfrewshire -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Aug 5 23:12:30 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19j5Ao-0002Ir-5M-0002Ko.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 23:12:30 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19j5Ao-0002Ir-5M; Sat, 02 Aug 2003 22:48:28 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19j5Ao-0002Ir-5M; Sat, 02 Aug 2003 22:48:26 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19j5Aa-0001Ez-HO; Sat, 02 Aug 2003 23:48:12 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h72Mm6K26084 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 23:48:06 +0100 Received: from mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (mta06-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.46]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h72Mm6A26080 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 23:48:06 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from standalone ([80.0.25.10]) by mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20030802212932.THWG14760.mta06-svc.ntlworld.com@standalone> for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 22:29:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Grant R(Forums)" To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2003 22:29:19 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS request Message-ID: <4c1bdb109fmaillists.randall@ntlworld.com> References: <2526381a4c.matthew@aether.demon.co.uk> <7P3Y5bE3hBK$Ewip@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c1a4a17bcdfs@ukgateway.net> <+Nr55ACGCSK$Ewy9@pilling.demon.co.uk> <+sspBREYmSK$EwwZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c1ac54ddbjohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <24b3371b4c.philip@philipnet.com> <4c1b95cd61robh@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.36) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article , David Pilling wrote: > To an extent this is a strange time to have this discussion. In Titanic > terms the Acorn market is not at the point where the iceberg appears, > nor at the point where the ship hits it. We're now at the point where > Kate Winslet has bobbed off over the horizon clutching driftwood. I'm > going to tweek my moustache in an evil looking way and squeeze into a > lifeboat between the widows and orphans, the rest of you are presumably > hanging around to see what happens to the band. You don't even see the Iyonix as the SS Carpathia? (Please don't say smoky, underpowered and with poor wireless communications!) -- Kind Regards, Grant Randall Yorkshire, GB http://homepage.ntlworld.com/grant.randall Randalls Home Page During shift periods, I may be slow to reply, please bear with me... -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Aug 5 23:12:43 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19jEYv-0000kR-Fg-0000mM.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 23:12:43 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19jEYv-0000kR-Fg; Sun, 03 Aug 2003 08:49:59 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19jEYv-0000kR-Fg; Sun, 03 Aug 2003 08:49:57 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19jEYb-0002qL-BV; Sun, 03 Aug 2003 09:49:37 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h738mlF08532 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 3 Aug 2003 09:48:47 +0100 Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h738mkf08527 for ; Sun, 3 Aug 2003 09:48:46 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [62.188.130.154] (helo=62.188.130.154) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 19jEXi-0001gZ-6T for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 03 Aug 2003 09:48:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Rob Hemmings To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2003 19:06:58 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS request Message-ID: <4c1bc88a1erobh@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <2526381a4c.matthew@aether.demon.co.uk> <7P3Y5bE3hBK$Ewip@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c1a4a17bcdfs@ukgateway.net> <+Nr55ACGCSK$Ewy9@pilling.demon.co.uk> <+sspBREYmSK$EwwZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c1ac54ddbjohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <24b3371b4c.philip@philipnet.com> <4c1b95cd61robh@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article , David Pilling wrote: > >I'm very prepared to pay for any enhancements to any of your RISC OS > >products that I own (OPro, DPSS, Trace, SparkFS). > Thank you. Money isn't the problem. > The problem is the expectation, the experience in fact, that effort > expended on RISC OS is cast to the wind. Stan Boland taking his 500 > million quid to close down Acorn, didn't say "oh a lot of people have > spent 10 years writing software which will now be wasted, I'd better > think again". > Nor for that matter did the tens of thousands of RISC OS users who > through the 1990's turned down Strong ARM running RISC OS for 486's > running Windows 3.1. > If you write software for a platform which has some life in it, there > is the chance to do something good. Well you may be right but I have never found anything on PCs that I am anywhere near as happy using as the combination of OPro and other RISC OS based programs. Even with OPro on Windows what will be missing is the amazingly easy way that programs cooperate on RISC OS. In my experience, (and I use Windows machines and Word almost every working day) getting any two Windows programs to work together is a real pain, any more than two and its usually so painful as not to be worth bothering. That is why I expect to be happily using RISC OS and OPro for many years to come, regardless of what else happens in the computing world. It is the ease of getting the end results I want that matters! -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Hemmings Southport Tel: +44 (0)1704 573210 rhemmings@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Aug 5 23:12:45 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19jFlY-0001y4-Bf-00021i.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 23:12:45 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19jFlY-0001y4-Bf; Sun, 03 Aug 2003 10:07:06 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19jFlY-0001y4-Bf; Sun, 03 Aug 2003 10:07:04 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19jFlP-0001I9-1r; Sun, 03 Aug 2003 11:06:55 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h73A62c25938 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 3 Aug 2003 11:06:02 +0100 Received: from scrabble.freeuk.net (scrabble.freeuk.net [212.126.144.29]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h73A60l25930 for ; Sun, 3 Aug 2003 11:06:01 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from du-009-0207.freeuk.com ([212.126.152.207] helo=helvellyn) by scrabble.freeuk.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19jFkV-0005dH-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 03 Aug 2003 11:06:00 +0100 Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2003 10:19:14 +0100 From: Steve Fryatt To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS request Message-ID: <620f1c1c4c.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> References: <2526381a4c.matthew@aether.demon.co.uk> <7P3Y5bE3hBK$Ewip@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c1a4a17bcdfs@ukgateway.net> <+Nr55ACGCSK$Ewy9@pilling.demon.co.uk> <+sspBREYmSK$EwwZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c1ac54ddbjohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <24b3371b4c.philip@philipnet.com> <4c1b95cd61robh@argonet.co.uk> <5.1.1.6.0.20030802174331.00b3bd58@mail.which.net> In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030802174331.00b3bd58@mail.which.net> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.70a (MsgServe/2.10) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 X-Editor: Zap 1.46 (03 Jun 2003) [TEST], ZapEmail 0.27 (21 Mar 2003) test-6 (32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 2 Aug, John Waddell wrote in message <5.1.1.6.0.20030802174331.00b3bd58@mail.which.net>: [Titanic analogies] > The sad part is that a lot of good people went down with the ship. I > did not buy a ticket. Because there was a serious delay in getting the > cabin I wanted and no guarantee it would be ready by the time I needed > to travel, I bought a ticket on another liner. I have to confess that > there were a great many bozos on the alternative liner, who did not > have an intellectual bone in their bodies and although the food was not > as nourishing as on the Titanic, there was plenty more of it with a > greater variety, it kept me alive reasonably well and got me to my > destination. The ticket was cheaper too. > > I see there is now a new liner on the horizon but its sea trials are not > completed, I really don't want to and can't afford to finance another > voyage, however attractive it might become. I thought that the new liner has already "rescued" us from the lifeboats (for a fee, of course), with us hoping that it wouldn't strike another iceberg itself before it got us somewhere. There were rumours that there might be another liner somewhere just over the horizon that could reach those in the water at some point (before or after they drown). So far, there's been no sign of it, though.. > Sigh. Indeed. :-( -- Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/ * "There are three kinds of economist. Those who can count and those who can't." - Eddie George -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Aug 5 23:12:54 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19jLJg-0007JE-85-0007LU.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 23:12:54 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19jLJg-0007JE-85; Sun, 03 Aug 2003 16:02:42 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19jLJg-0007JE-85; Sun, 03 Aug 2003 16:02:40 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19jLJL-0002BG-UO; Sun, 03 Aug 2003 17:02:19 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h73G1fS29614 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 3 Aug 2003 17:01:41 +0100 Received: from mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (mta07-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.47]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h73G1eU29605 for ; Sun, 3 Aug 2003 17:01:40 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from ntlworld.com ([62.253.40.81]) by mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20030803160139.EPNM1286.mta07-svc.ntlworld.com@ntlworld.com> for ; Sun, 3 Aug 2003 17:01:39 +0100 Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2003 17:01:51 GMT From: To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] Extracting draw file Message-ID: X-Organization: JaySoft User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.70a (MsgServe/2.10) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.04-pre2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by svr1.spellings.net id h73G1eU29607 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Is there any way I can extract a draw file from an OPro doc. It was OK till I upgraded to an Iyonix and now the draw file in my document doesn't show and if I try to 'save picture' I get an error from OPro (might have gone wrong!) If anyone would care to attempt it, maybe if somone is using a RISC PC they could save the file out using that, I would be eternally grateful. It is an 81Kb file when squashed. John Charman -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Aug 5 23:12:59 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19jR0h-0001vK-En-0001yq.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 23:12:59 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19jR0h-0001vK-En; Sun, 03 Aug 2003 22:07:29 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19jR0h-0001vK-En; Sun, 03 Aug 2003 22:07:27 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19jR0a-0002CW-9V; Sun, 03 Aug 2003 23:07:20 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h73M6ZL18156 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 3 Aug 2003 23:06:35 +0100 Received: from technetium.cix.co.uk (technetium.cix.co.uk [194.153.0.53]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h73M6YH18144 for ; Sun, 3 Aug 2003 23:06:34 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: (from cix@localhost) by technetium.cix.co.uk (8.11.3/CIX/8.11.2) id h73M6XV05565 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 3 Aug 2003 23:06:34 +0100 (BST) X-Envelope-From: Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 23:06 +0100 (BST) From:(E J Phillips) Subject: [softwarelist] re Ovpro for windows To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Cc: ejphillips@cix.compulink.co.uk Message-Id: X-Ameol-Version: 2.52.2000, Windows 98 4.10.2222 ( A ) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist I have just transferred a RiscPC ovpro file to Ovpro windows. It comes ok on the screen put only prints the first frame. To print the whole document I have to group the frames. What am I doing wrong? John Phillips -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Aug 5 23:13:15 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19jhun-0007hP-C9-0007jg.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 23:13:15 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19jhun-0007hP-C9; Mon, 04 Aug 2003 16:10:31 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19jhun-0007hP-C9; Mon, 04 Aug 2003 16:10:29 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19jhud-00049c-2S; Mon, 04 Aug 2003 17:10:19 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h74G8x621720 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 17:08:59 +0100 Received: from mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (mta07-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.47]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h74G8vB21707 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 17:08:57 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from localhost ([62.254.40.150]) by mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20030804160855.UFI1286.mta07-svc.ntlworld.com@localhost> for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 17:08:55 +0100 Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 17:07:25 +0100 From: To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OPro Windows Stysheet extension clash? Message-ID: References: <2526381a4c.matthew@aether.demon.co.uk> <7P3Y5bE3hBK$Ewip@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c1a4a17bcdfs@ukgateway.net> <+Nr55ACGCSK$Ewy9@pilling.demon.co.uk> <+sspBREYmSK$EwwZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4C1B5943BA%mik.towse@xemik.com> <4c1bb47c0ewilliamlack@clara.net> In-Reply-To: <4c1bb47c0ewilliamlack@clara.net> X-Organization: Centre Stage User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60a (MsgServe/2.01beta) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message <4c1bb47c0ewilliamlack@clara.net> William Lack wrote: [snip] > > Surely the windows extension for Datapower files is dp1 ? I do quite a > lot of transfer of datapower files between the two platforms and all the > ones on the PC have dp1 extensions. > Yes - but I was talking about the extension for Datapower Script files, which is .dps -- Colin Carnegie colinc@argonet.co.uk www.argonet.co.uk/users/cstage -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Aug 5 23:13:16 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19jiku-0000gu-Fy-0000iD.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 23:13:16 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19jiku-0000gu-Fy; Mon, 04 Aug 2003 17:04:21 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19jiku-0000gu-Fy; Mon, 04 Aug 2003 17:04:20 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19jikm-00006C-I5; Mon, 04 Aug 2003 18:04:12 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h74H46C08778 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 18:04:06 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h74H44H08768 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 18:04:04 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from aether.demon.co.uk ([158.152.186.18]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19jikd-0004il-0X for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 04 Aug 2003 18:04:04 +0100 Received: from medusa.therealm ([192.168.0.2] helo=aether.demon.co.uk) by aether.demon.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19iUBJ-0004yx-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 01 Aug 2003 08:18:29 +0100 Received: from matthew by aether.demon.co.uk with local (RemoteNB 1.54) for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; 01 Aug 2003 08:21:09 +0100 Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 08:21:09 +0100 From: Matthew Hambley Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SparkFS request Message-ID: <9193091b4c.matthew@aether.demon.co.uk> References: <2526381a4c.matthew@aether.demon.co.uk> <7P3Y5bE3hBK$Ewip@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <7P3Y5bE3hBK$Ewip@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Beyond the Reality Barrier User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (RemoteNB/1.54) (RISC-OS/4.36) X-Editor: Zap 1.45 (06 Nov 2002), ZapEmail 0.26 (03 Nov 2002) To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message <7P3Y5bE3hBK$Ewip@pilling.demon.co.uk> David Pilling wrote: > > I think that's exactly what I would expect since what a BZip file > > contains is a single file. It would be a handy feature to have for > > those of use who spend some time in the *nix domain. > > it's the invisble elephant you're having problems with here. > Desktop RISC OS is doomed, what is my motivation for doing any more work > on it? ??? Did I touch a raw nerve? -- (\/)atthew )-(ambley ---------------\ If something's worth doing it's worth E-mail : matthew@aether.demon.co.uk \ doing badly until you can learn to Public key : C991137B \ do it well. Web : http://www.aether.demon.co.uk/ \----------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Aug 5 23:13:37 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19k3nd-0006qp-5B-0006tm.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 23:13:37 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19k3nd-0006qp-5B; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 15:32:35 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19k3nd-0006qp-5B; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 15:32:33 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19k3nA-0001rG-8G; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 16:32:04 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h75FUwX10941 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 16:30:58 +0100 Received: from mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (mta01-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.41]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h75FUue10926 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 16:30:56 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from ntlworld.com ([62.253.40.123]) by mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20030805153055.WXBH25721.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@ntlworld.com> for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 16:30:55 +0100 Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 16:29:15 GMT From: To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] =?iso-8859-1?q?Failure_to=A0print?= Message-ID: <9e194b1d4c.jaycee@jstp.freeserve.co.uk> X-Organization: JaySoft User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.70a (MsgServe/2.10) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.04-pre2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist I have a 32 page document which I print as a pamphlet; I use it once a year and have never had any problems with it but a very strange thing is now happening. I normally print it page by page and for some strange reason page 4 back will not print on my HP1200 printer, it seems to send it, the printer light flashes but just refuses to print. All other pages print fine both back and front. The even more odd thing is that it (page four back) will print fine on my HP 970Cxi. If I try printing all the backs then the laser prints the first three sheets and then once again just stops. I really need to get this working as soon as I can - help!!! Iyonix PC RISCOS 5.03 !Printers 1.67 OPro 2.71 John Charman -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Aug 5 23:13:38 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19k496-000757-6L-00078B.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 23:13:38 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19k496-000757-6L; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 15:54:46 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19k496-000757-6L; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 15:54:44 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19k48n-0002Qf-Px; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 16:54:25 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h75FsMg20148 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 16:54:22 +0100 Received: from bryans.org (www.bryans.org [195.149.46.231]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with SMTP id h75FsLI20133 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 16:54:21 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: (qmail 28323 invoked by uid 1000); 5 Aug 2003 15:54:12 -0000 Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 16:54:12 +0100 From: Toby Bryans To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Failure_?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?to=A0print?= Message-ID: <20030805155412.GT16482@elephant.localnet> Mail-Followup-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net References: <9e194b1d4c.jaycee@jstp.freeserve.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <9e194b1d4c.jaycee@jstp.freeserve.co.uk> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On Tue, Aug 05, 2003 at 04:29:15PM +0000, jaycee@jstp.freeserve.co.uk wrote: > I have a 32 page document which I print as a pamphlet; I use it once a year > and have never had any problems with it but a very strange thing is now > happening. > > I normally print it page by page and for some strange reason page 4 back will > not print on my HP1200 printer, it seems to send it, the printer light > flashes but just refuses to print. All other pages print fine both back and > front. How much memory do you have in the 2100? IIRC it comes with 8Mb as default, which is a bit low, especially if you have JPEGs in the page. There is a feature in 2.71 which means that it doesn't send the JPEG as a JPEG to the printer, thus vastly increasing the page memory usage. What you describe as happening on the 2100 is generally what happens if you run out of printer memory. The feature is reverted to the original behaviour in 2.72 of Ovation Pro. Try downloading 2.72 from http://pilling.users.netlink.co.uk/ovationpro/upgrade/op272.zip and let us know if this fixes your problem. Kind Regards, -- T./ | web : http://www.bryans.org/toby/ | key : http://www.bryans.org/toby/keys/bryans.txt | fun : http://www.elesoc.org/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Aug 5 23:13:39 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19k4IW-000308-Fv-00033B.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 23:13:39 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19k4IW-000308-Fv; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 16:04:30 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19k4IW-000308-Fv; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 16:04:28 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19k4IE-0001Pv-BP; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 17:04:10 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h75G45j24134 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 17:04:05 +0100 Received: from smtpzilla3.xs4all.nl (smtpzilla3.xs4all.nl [194.109.127.139]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h75G43V24121 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 17:04:03 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from xs4all.nl (zaansoft.net [213.84.184.65] (may be forged)) by smtpzilla3.xs4all.nl (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h75G4217039541; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 18:04:02 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <3F2FD574.7000507@xs4all.nl> Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 18:04:04 +0200 From: jan vermeulen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Failure to print References: <9e194b1d4c.jaycee@jstp.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <9e194b1d4c.jaycee@jstp.freeserve.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist jaycee@jstp.freeserve.co.uk wrote: > I have a 32 page document which I print as a pamphlet; I use it once > a year and have never had any problems with it but a very strange thing > is now happening. > > I normally print it page by page and for some strange reason page 4 back > will not print on my HP1200 printer, it seems to send it, the printer > light flashes but just refuses to print. All other pages print fine both > back and front. > > The even more odd thing is that it (page four back) will print fine on > my HP 970Cxi. > > If I try printing all the backs then the laser prints the first three > sheets and then once again just stops. > > I really need to get this working as soon as I can - help!!! > > Iyonix PC RISCOS 5.03 !Printers 1.67 OPro 2.71 The HP 970Cx1 is an inkjet printer so it prints lines whereas the HP1200 is a laser printer and these print pages. Most probably, there is an End Of Page mark failing at the end of the file. I'm not aware of the correct codes to use but you should find them in the HP data booklets. Hope this helps. Jan -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Aug 5 23:32:32 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19kALI-00063C-5p-00064y.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 23:32:32 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19kALI-00063C-5p; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 22:31:46 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19kALI-00063C-5p; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 22:31:44 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19kAKi-0007v9-HL; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 23:31:08 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h75MUbw12321 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 23:30:37 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h75MUbB12315 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 23:30:37 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 19kAKC-0002p6-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 23:30:36 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 23:29:17 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OPro Windows Stysheet extension clash? References: <2526381a4c.matthew@aether.demon.co.uk> <7P3Y5bE3hBK$Ewip@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c1a4a17bcdfs@ukgateway.net> <+Nr55ACGCSK$Ewy9@pilling.demon.co.uk> <+sspBREYmSK$EwwZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4C1B5943BA%mik.towse@xemik.com> <4c1bb47c0ewilliamlack@clara.net> In-Reply-To: <4c1bb47c0ewilliamlack@clara.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >From: Ketil Kristiansen On Sat, 2 Aug 2003, David Pilling wrote: > >are possible. How about using the ROS filetype (B27) as the extn? FWIW it's > >not listed on my XP laptop. > > Having the RISC OS numeric types (as well) is definitely on the cards, > offering some compatibility with file transfer software. I can't see any good reasons to limit extensions to three letters anymore, since DOS and the FAT 8+3 filename limitation is, for all practical purposes, dead and gone. That said, there's probably half a ton of utilities out there that would choke on four or more characters, though I haven't met any of them lately. Also, for those of us who like extensions to be abbreviations or mnemonics that can actually be remembered, "b27" is meaningless... > One site which gives a list of extensions is; > > http://www.ace.net.nz/tech/TechFileFormat.html > > although it seems to not know about .dps Hardly surprising, since there isn't any central authority for assigning extensions. Keeping a registry up to date is a virtually impossible task. -K -- "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." - Philip K. Dick -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Aug 5 23:46:39 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19kAYp-0005dr-CH-0005et.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 23:46:39 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19kAYp-0005dr-CH; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 22:45:44 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19kAYp-0005dr-CH; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 22:45:43 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19kAYf-0000qT-6k; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 23:45:33 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h75MjUJ15114 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 23:45:30 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h75MjSA15107 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 23:45:29 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19kAYa-00033I-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 23:45:28 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 23:43:49 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Extracting draw file References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by svr1.spellings.net id h75MjTA15108 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >It was OK till I upgraded to an Iyonix and now the draw file in my >document doesn't show and if I try to 'save picture' I get an error >from OPro (might have gone wrong!) What's the real error message - you have to click again to find that out? >If anyone would care to attempt it, maybe if somone is using a RISC PC >they could save the file out using that, I would be eternally >grateful. It is an 81Kb file when squashed. I could do that for you (if no one has offered yet). There are various approaches you might try, programs that can extract Draw data from binary files, or perhaps saving the document as DDL and extracting the Draw data from that in a text editor. However my feeling is that the best solution is to find out what is going wrong on the Iyonix. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Aug 5 23:47:40 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19kAZr-0006uh-Az-0006w7.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 23:47:40 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19kAZr-0006uh-Az; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 22:46:48 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19kAZr-0006uh-Az; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 22:46:47 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19kAZI-0004A8-3o; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 23:46:12 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h75Mk8m15214 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 23:46:08 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h75Mk8v15207 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 23:46:08 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19kAZD-0003Ae-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 23:46:07 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 23:44:36 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] re Ovpro for windows References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >I have just transferred a RiscPC ovpro file to Ovpro windows. It comes ok >on the screen put only prints the first frame. To print the whole document >I have to group the frames. What am I doing wrong? No idea, it sounds like a bug. If it causes you no problems perhaps I could have a look at the document? -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Aug 6 01:01:17 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19kBj7-0006lO-4s-0006p4.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 01:01:17 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19kBj7-0006lO-4s; Wed, 06 Aug 2003 00:00:28 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19kBj7-0006lO-4s; Wed, 06 Aug 2003 00:00:25 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19kBih-0002ct-T1; Wed, 06 Aug 2003 00:59:59 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h75NxN126913 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 00:59:23 +0100 Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h75NxMB26909 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 00:59:22 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [62.188.144.129] (helo=argonet) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 19kBi0-0006bF-TQ for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 06 Aug 2003 00:59:17 +0100 Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 00:57:58 +0100 From: Richard Watkinson To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SparkFS again Message-ID: <882e741d4c.Richard@user.argonet.co.uk> References: <29d8aa184c.Brian@btinternet.com> In-Reply-To: <29d8aa184c.Brian@btinternet.com> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (MsgServe/2.02) (RISC-OS/4.36) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message <29d8aa184c.Brian@btinternet.com> Brian Howlett wrote: > Hi > > SparkFS (1.39) running on Select 3 (RISC OS 4.36) has started playing up > - every time I try to run it I get the following error: > > "%0 may have gone wrong. Click Continue to try to resume or Quit to stop > %0" giving a "Describe" button as well as the "Continue" and "Quit" > options. > > Clicking "Describe" gives the error "Internal error: abort on data > transfer at &023E7780". > > *addr &023E7780 > Address &23e7780 > Module area (read/write), at &2100000 offset &2e7780 (size &425000) > Heap block, at &23e0aa0 offset &6ce0 (size &dd10) > Module Win95FS, at &23e0aa4 offset &6cdc (size &dd0c) > > I've used Win95FS alongside SparkFS for ages without problems, in fact > it is loaded on start up. Any ideas? How do you get *addr &023E7780 to work? When I try it I get "file 'addr' not found." Richard -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Aug 6 13:44:08 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19kIK3-0007an-3v-0007dE.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 13:44:08 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19kIK3-0007an-3v; Wed, 06 Aug 2003 07:03:00 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19kIK3-0007an-3v; Wed, 06 Aug 2003 07:02:59 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19kIJl-0005IZ-2d; Wed, 06 Aug 2003 08:02:41 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h76720115834 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 08:02:00 +0100 Received: from carbon.btinternet.com (carbon.btinternet.com [194.73.73.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h7671xv15821 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 08:01:59 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from host81-129-32-92.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([81.129.32.92] helo=acornrpc) by carbon.btinternet.com with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #23) id 19kIJ4-0001RS-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 06 Aug 2003 08:01:59 +0100 Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 07:57:55 +0100 From: Brian Howlett To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SparkFS again Message-ID: References: <29d8aa184c.Brian@btinternet.com> <882e741d4c.Richard@user.argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <882e741d4c.Richard@user.argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: The Terry Wogan Home for the Bewildered User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (MsgServe/2.02) (RISC-OS/4.36) POPstar/2.05 X-Computer: Acorn RISC PC SA-110 X-Editor: Zap 1.45 (06 Nov 2002), ZapEmail 0.26 (03 Nov 2002) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 6 Aug, Richard Watkinson wrote: > In message <29d8aa184c.Brian@btinternet.com> > Brian Howlett wrote: [snip] >> >> *addr &023E7780 >> Address &23e7780 >> Module area (read/write), at &2100000 offset &2e7780 (size &425000) >> Heap block, at &23e0aa0 offset &6ce0 (size &dd10) >> Module Win95FS, at &23e0aa4 offset &6cdc (size &dd0c) >> [snip] > How do you get > > *addr &023E7780 > > to work? > > When I try it I get "file 'addr' not found." > You need to download the addr module and install it in your Library. Download from Justin Fletcher's site at -- Brian Howlett ------------------------------------------------------------- People who live in glass houses should undress in the dark... -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Aug 6 15:19:46 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19kP8f-0007N6-Dn-0007QV.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 15:19:46 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19kP8f-0007N6-Dn; Wed, 06 Aug 2003 14:19:43 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19kP8f-0007N6-Dn; Wed, 06 Aug 2003 14:19:41 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19kP88-0000wG-Gy; Wed, 06 Aug 2003 15:19:08 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h76EIbp09622 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 15:18:37 +0100 Received: from cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.173]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h76EIah09608 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 15:18:37 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from modem-2240.aardvark.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.134.8.192] helo=localhost) by cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19kP7b-00022N-Rr for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 06 Aug 2003 15:18:36 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mark Fraser To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 15:18:34 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Extracting draw file Message-ID: <4c1dc2f8d6mark@mfraz.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article , David Pilling wrote: > >It was OK till I upgraded to an Iyonix and now the draw file in my > >document doesn't show and if I try to 'save picture' I get an error from > >OPro (might have gone wrong!) > What's the real error message - you have to click again to find that out? Something similar happened to me recently. I'd tried to extract a graphic from a document created on the widows version, that the ROS version wouldn't show. Turned out to be a BMP picture and when I tried to save it out, Ovation crashed on me. -- What do you say to a beer, Normie? Hiya, sailor. New in town? ___________________________________________ |\ /| ark Fraser /mfraz2002@hotmail.com | \/ | Somerset /www.mfraz.freeserve.co.uk | |__________/Acorn SA RISC PC You know what the sig means! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Aug 7 13:30:41 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19khFP-00045S-4o-00049I.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 13:30:41 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19khFP-00045S-4o; Thu, 07 Aug 2003 09:39:53 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19khFP-00045S-4o; Thu, 07 Aug 2003 09:39:51 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19khF3-0007TG-3f; Thu, 07 Aug 2003 10:39:29 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h779cpi08714 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 10:38:51 +0100 Received: from cmailm4.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailm4.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.211]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h779cpX08710 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 10:38:51 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from modem-3819.snake.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.126.235] helo=riscpc) by cmailm4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.14) id 19khEQ-0007r5-5n for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 07 Aug 2003 10:38:50 +0100 Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 23:26:59 +0100 From: Alan Adams To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Unlinking frames Message-ID: <4b04e81c4c.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> References: <4c188e10e4barry@e-allen.co.uk> <4c18b5e762badger.sett@freeuk.com> In-Reply-To: <4c18b5e762badger.sett@freeuk.com> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (MsgServe/2.02) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message <4c18b5e762badger.sett@freeuk.com> you wrote: > In article <4c188e10e4barry@e-allen.co.uk>, > Barry E Allen wrote: > > I'm trying to unlink frames. > > I select the link tool, all the links show up. > > I click on the link I wish to delete, it becomes black. > > I press 'delete' and nothing happens. > > Am I doing something wrong? > > Same here. I'd never noticed it before because I rarely use linked > frames. I'm using a RISC PC with 'PC Delete' ticked in the keyboard > configuration window. Unticking this allows linked frames to be unlinked > using the delete key. I can't find another way of doing it. Any chance of > allowing the backspace key to do this as an alternative to delete David? > [RISCOS 4.02 and Ovation Pro v2.67] On a related topic, any chance of manually placed links being displayed in a different colour to links "inherited" from the master page. I often need to delete links, and almost always select the wrong one, resulting in "cannot delete links between master pages" (approximate text of error message) > > HTH > > Richard > -- Alan Adams alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Aug 7 18:37:09 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19kogz-0001EC-Bl-0001FL.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 18:37:09 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19kogz-0001EC-Bl; Thu, 07 Aug 2003 17:36:50 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19kogz-0001EC-Bl; Thu, 07 Aug 2003 17:36:49 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19kogV-0003vN-8s; Thu, 07 Aug 2003 18:36:19 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h77HZMi18956 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 18:35:22 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h77HZLs18952 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 18:35:21 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from aether.demon.co.uk ([158.152.186.18]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19kofY-000E9Z-0X for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 07 Aug 2003 18:35:20 +0100 Received: from medusa.therealm ([192.168.0.2] helo=aether.demon.co.uk) by aether.demon.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19kobL-000NKR-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 07 Aug 2003 18:30:59 +0100 Received: from matthew by aether.demon.co.uk with local (RemoteNB 1.54) for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; 07 Aug 2003 18:30:55 +0100 Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 18:30:52 +0100 From: Matthew Hambley To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS request Message-ID: References: <2526381a4c.matthew@aether.demon.co.uk> <7P3Y5bE3hBK$Ewip@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c1a4a17bcdfs@ukgateway.net> <+Nr55ACGCSK$Ewy9@pilling.demon.co.uk> <+sspBREYmSK$EwwZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c1ac54ddbjohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <24b3371b4c.philip@philipnet.com> <4c1b95cd61robh@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4c1b95cd61robh@argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: Beyond the Reality Barrier User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (RemoteNB/1.54) (RISC-OS/4.36) X-Editor: Zap 1.45 (06 Nov 2002), ZapEmail 0.26 (03 Nov 2002) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message <4c1b95cd61robh@argonet.co.uk> Rob Hemmings wrote: > In article , David Pilling > wrote: > > >You can also take another leaf out of Martin's book, use external > > >companies/services to took after as much as possible. You can send him > > >money for all sorts of things via PayPal and he uses another company > > > Fair comment, to an extent I'm living in the past, assuming you all > > want discs and printed manuals, and taking payment by cheque. I really > > should get my ecommerce facility going. > [snip] > I'm very prepared to pay for any enhancements to any of your RISC OS > products that I own (OPro, DPSS, Trace, SparkFS). Paypal seems like a > good route - I like the speed. Printed manuals are nice but certainly > not essential - to be honest I can't remember when I last opened the one > for OPro. NoChex may have a cheesy name but seems to work OK. It is also good for people who don't have or want a credit card but do have a debit card. -- (\/)atthew )-(ambley ---------------\ If something's worth doing it's worth E-mail : matthew@aether.demon.co.uk \ doing badly until you can learn to Public key : C991137B \ do it well. Web : http://www.aether.demon.co.uk/ \----------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Aug 7 19:29:35 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19kpV7-00076O-73-00078a.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 19:29:35 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19kpV7-00076O-73; Thu, 07 Aug 2003 18:28:38 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19kpV7-00076O-73; Thu, 07 Aug 2003 18:28:37 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19kpUc-0002js-NF; Thu, 07 Aug 2003 19:28:06 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h77IRKC30928 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 19:27:20 +0100 Received: from aquarius.realingenuity.net (aquarius.realingenuity.net [213.165.154.155]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h77IRJ730908 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 19:27:20 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from RTV (1Cust146.tnt14.lnd1.gbr.da.uu.net [62.188.4.146]) by aquarius.realingenuity.net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id h77IHBa26896 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 19:17:12 +0100 Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 22:00:10 +0100 From: Mik Towse To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OPro Windows Stysheet extension clash? Message-ID: <4C1DE7BD49%mik.towse@xemik.com> References: <2526381a4c.matthew@aether.demon.co.uk> <7P3Y5bE3hBK$Ewip@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c1a4a17bcdfs@ukgateway.net> <+Nr55ACGCSK$Ewy9@pilling.demon.co.uk> <+sspBREYmSK$EwwZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4C1B5943BA%mik.towse@xemik.com> <4c1bb47c0ewilliamlack@clara.net> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.61 POPstar/2.05 X-Editor: Zap 1.45, using ZapEmail 0.26 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article David Pilling wrote: > > Ketil Kristiansen wrote: > On Sat, 2 Aug 2003, David Pilling wrote: > > > are possible. How about using the ROS filetype (B27) as the extn? FWIW > > > it's not listed on my XP laptop. > > Having the RISC OS numeric types (as well) is definitely on the cards, > > offering some compatibility with file transfer software. [snip] > Also, for those of us who like extensions to be abbreviations or mnemonics > that can actually be remembered, "b27" is meaningless... [snip] But for most users, once an extn has been registered by an app', Windows hides the extension, so they'd not see it. ROS users don't expect an extension anyway, so they shouldn't care either. ;-) -- Food is an important part of a balanced diet. Fran Lebowitz __ __ _ _ _____ | \/ (_) | __ |_ _|____ __ _____ ___ | |\/| | | |/ / | |/ _ \ V V (_- for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 21:50:48 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19kri4-00040q-8c; Thu, 07 Aug 2003 20:50:09 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19kri4-00040q-8c; Thu, 07 Aug 2003 20:50:08 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19krhh-000100-1W; Thu, 07 Aug 2003 21:49:45 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h77Kmkj06318 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 21:48:46 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h77KmjU06313 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 21:48:45 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19krgi-000B57-0Y for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 07 Aug 2003 21:48:45 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 21:47:19 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OPro Windows Stysheet extension clash? References: <2526381a4c.matthew@aether.demon.co.uk> <7P3Y5bE3hBK$Ewip@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c1a4a17bcdfs@ukgateway.net> <+Nr55ACGCSK$Ewy9@pilling.demon.co.uk> <+sspBREYmSK$EwwZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4C1B5943BA%mik.towse@xemik.com> <4c1bb47c0ewilliamlack@clara.net> <4C1DE7BD49%mik.towse@xemik.com> In-Reply-To: <4C1DE7BD49%mik.towse@xemik.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >But for most users, once an extn has been registered by an app', Windows >hides the extension, so they'd not see it. ROS users don't expect an >extension anyway, so they shouldn't care either. ;-) That is a good point. Although in my experience much file transfer between Windows and RISC OS ends with setting the type. And I can never remember the filetype name on RISC OS for OP docs. One thing I would write for RISC OS (if I was doing anything else, which I'm not etc. etc.) is an extension to convert the usual set type menu (a single writable) into a menu showing all the defined types. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Aug 7 22:21:01 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19ksB2-0006iR-Ck-0006jp.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 22:21:01 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19ksB2-0006iR-Ck; Thu, 07 Aug 2003 21:20:05 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19ksB2-0006iR-Ck; Thu, 07 Aug 2003 21:20:04 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19ksAu-00050j-58; Thu, 07 Aug 2003 22:19:56 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h77LJmU15620 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 22:19:48 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h77LJmg15616 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 22:19:48 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 19ksAl-0004Ao-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 07 Aug 2003 22:19:48 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 22:18:41 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OPro Windows Stysheet extension clash? References: <2526381a4c.matthew@aether.demon.co.uk> <7P3Y5bE3hBK$Ewip@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c1a4a17bcdfs@ukgateway.net> <+Nr55ACGCSK$Ewy9@pilling.demon.co.uk> <+sspBREYmSK$EwwZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4C1B5943BA%mik.towse@xemik.com> <4c1bb47c0ewilliamlack@clara.net> <4C1DE7BD49%mik.towse@xemik.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >From: Grant Randall In article , David Pilling wrote: > Although in my experience much file transfer between Windows and RISC OS > ends with setting the type. And I can never remember the filetype name > on RISC OS for OP docs. That seems to be much improved in the latest versions of mimemap and iirc, DOS FS is to use mimemap soon if not already. > One thing I would write for RISC OS (if I was doing anything else, which > I'm not etc. etc.) is an extension to convert the usual set type menu (a > single writable) into a menu showing all the defined types. !Director already has this! -- Kind Regards, Grant Randall Yorkshire, GB http://homepage.ntlworld.com/grant.randall Randalls Home Page During shift periods, I may be slow to reply, please bear with me... -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Aug 8 00:18:28 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19ku1J-0005Gh-Dt-0005IY.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 00:18:28 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19ku1J-0005Gh-Dt; Thu, 07 Aug 2003 23:18:10 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19ku1J-0005Gh-Dt; Thu, 07 Aug 2003 23:18:09 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19ku16-0001kC-RC; Fri, 08 Aug 2003 00:17:56 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h77NH0s08899 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 00:17:00 +0100 Received: from smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net (smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net [212.135.6.12]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h77NGxs08896 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 00:16:59 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from tnt-12-102.easynet.co.uk ([212.134.20.102] helo=miranda.philipnet.com) by smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 19ku06-000FYf-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 08 Aug 2003 00:16:57 +0100 Received: from philipnet.com (gromit.philipnet.com [192.168.1.33]) by miranda.philipnet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B95272C000 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 00:16:49 +0100 (BST) Received: from philip by philipnet.com with local (RemoteNB 1.54) for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; 08 Aug 2003 00:16:48 +0100 Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 00:16:47 +0100 From: Philip Ludlam To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OPro Windows Stysheet extension clash? Message-ID: <3115781e4c.philip@philipnet.com> References: <2526381a4c.matthew@aether.demon.co.uk> <7P3Y5bE3hBK$Ewip@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c1a4a17bcdfs@ukgateway.net> <+Nr55ACGCSK$Ewy9@pilling.demon.co.uk> <+sspBREYmSK$EwwZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4C1B5943BA%mik.towse@xemik.com> <4c1bb47c0ewilliamlack@clara.net> <4C1DE7BD49%mik.towse@xemik.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (RemoteNB/1.54) (RISC-OS/4.33) X-Sender: Philip Ludlam X-Sender-URL: http://www.philipnet.com/ X-Editor: StrongED 4.66 (stable) X-Editor-URL: http://www.stronged.iconbar.com/ X-Desktop-Utility: Director X-Desktop-Utility-URL: http://director.sourceforge.net/ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 7 Aug, in message David Pilling wrote: >>But for most users, once an extn has been registered by an app', Windows >>hides the extension, so they'd not see it. ROS users don't expect an >>extension anyway, so they shouldn't care either. ;-) > >That is a good point. > >Although in my experience much file transfer between Windows and RISC OS >ends with setting the type. And I can never remember the filetype name >on RISC OS for OP docs. > >One thing I would write for RISC OS (if I was doing anything else, which >I'm not etc. etc.) is an extension to convert the usual set type menu (a >single writable) into a menu showing all the defined types. It's called Director! http://director.sourceforge.net Menu click over a file in a directory, menu click over "File '...'" and go to the Set type menu option Or Open a directory menu (adjust click on a filing system iconbar icon or menu click over a window title which has a file path in it, through the menus browse to tbe file, press Menu over it, and go to the set type option. Note: Under RISC OS you're limited to 8 menus/submenus on a screen at anyone time. Yours, Phil L. -- http://www.philipnet.com http://director.sourceforge.net i ou a uea i e a o ie e a o a a oue oae -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Aug 8 13:43:39 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19l1wT-0003d4-Aj-0003f9.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 13:43:39 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19l1wT-0003d4-Aj; Fri, 08 Aug 2003 07:45:42 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19l1wT-0003d4-Aj; Fri, 08 Aug 2003 07:45:41 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19l1wA-0002Sd-Mx; Fri, 08 Aug 2003 08:45:22 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h787iuG11636 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 08:44:56 +0100 Received: from moomin.torch.net (moomin.inbusiness.net [212.50.161.83]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h787its11633 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 08:44:56 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: (qmail 99993 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2003 07:20:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO SONYLAPTOP) ([213.249.153.129]) (envelope-sender ) by -v (qmail-1.03) with SMTP for ; 8 Aug 2003 07:20:01 -0000 From: "Ian" To: Subject: RE: [softwarelist] Just a quick plea for help Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 08:44:42 +0100 Message-ID: <000801c35d80$ee3873e0$0110100a@SONYLAPTOP> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <3115781e4c.philip@philipnet.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Just a quick plea for help, does anyone know of anywhere in the Midlands (Coventry / Birmingham) that sells or repairs Acorn Risc PCs, I have just come into the office this morning and switched on my Acorn and it is either producing garbage on screen or green screening. If I could get a second hand RISC PC I would now!! Ian _ _ _ _ |_|_|_|_| Post: Concorde House, Trinity Park, Solihull B37 7UQ |_|_|_|_| Phone: 0121 635 5020 |_|_|_|_| Email: ian@realpoint.co.uk |_|_|_|_| Web: http://www.realpoint.co.uk Real Point -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Aug 8 17:22:23 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19lA0B-00076C-Ef-000797.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 17:22:23 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19lA0B-00076C-Ef; Fri, 08 Aug 2003 16:22:05 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19lA0B-00076C-Ef; Fri, 08 Aug 2003 16:22:03 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19l9zz-00023d-Np; Fri, 08 Aug 2003 17:21:51 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h78GKHB04471 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 17:20:17 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h78GKH204466 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 17:20:17 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 19l9yS-0002oM-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 08 Aug 2003 17:20:16 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 17:18:50 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Just a quick plea for help References: <3115781e4c.philip@philipnet.com> <000801c35d80$ee3873e0$0110100a@SONYLAPTOP> In-Reply-To: <000801c35d80$ee3873e0$0110100a@SONYLAPTOP> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >If I could get a second hand RISC PC I would now!! I would imagine almost cheaper than getting one fixed see e.g. Liquid Silicon. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Aug 8 19:58:41 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19lCR7-0007dx-9o-0007gC.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 19:58:41 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19lCR7-0007dx-9o; Fri, 08 Aug 2003 18:58:02 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19lCR7-0007dx-9o; Fri, 08 Aug 2003 18:58:01 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19lCQp-000490-Lz; Fri, 08 Aug 2003 19:57:43 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h78Itoj10810 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 19:55:50 +0100 Received: from spartha.spa.umn.edu (spartha.spa.umn.edu [128.101.220.23]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h78ItmZ10802 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 19:55:49 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from crail.spa.umn.edu (crail.spa.umn.edu [128.101.220.148]) by spartha.spa.umn.edu (8.11.6p2/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h78Itgu468887 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 13:55:42 -0500 (CDT) Received: by crail.spa.umn.edu (8.9.3/1.1.29.3/30Aug01-0531PM) id NAA0000454123; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 13:55:42 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 13:55:42 -0500 From: Graham Allan To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OPro Windows Stysheet extension clash? Message-ID: <20030808185541.GK410010@crail.spa.umn.edu> References: <+Nr55ACGCSK$Ewy9@pilling.demon.co.uk> <+sspBREYmSK$EwwZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4C1B5943BA%mik.towse@xemik.com> <4c1bb47c0ewilliamlack@clara.net> <4C1DE7BD49%mik.towse@xemik.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 09:47:19PM +0100, David Pilling wrote: > > One thing I would write for RISC OS (if I was doing anything else, which > I'm not etc. etc.) is an extension to convert the usual set type menu (a > single writable) into a menu showing all the defined types. You know, I'm sure I remember something like this existing - some kind of filer extension or replacement, from way back in the RO 3.1 days (or maybe even earlier). G. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Graham Allan School of Physics and Astronomy - University of Minnesota ------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Aug 8 22:34:58 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19lEsd-0002C2-B9-0002DP.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 22:34:58 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19lEsd-0002C2-B9; Fri, 08 Aug 2003 21:34:36 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19lEsd-0002C2-B9; Fri, 08 Aug 2003 21:34:35 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19lEsK-0002RO-Uq; Fri, 08 Aug 2003 22:34:16 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h78LVPu13443 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 22:31:25 +0100 Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h78LVPJ13440 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 22:31:25 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [62.188.145.6] (helo=62.188.145.6) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 19lEpW-0003xs-Ab for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 08 Aug 2003 22:31:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(William Jackson) To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 22:30:46 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.34 for RISC OS 4.33 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS request Message-Id: 2452860.2230464williamj@argonet.co.uk In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On Sat 2 Aug 2003 (14:50:59 +0100), opro@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote: > >I'm very prepared to pay for any enhancements to any of your RISC OS > >products that I own (OPro, DPSS, Trace, SparkFS). > > Thank you. Money isn't the problem. > > The problem is the expectation, the experience in fact, that effort > expended on RISC OS is cast to the wind. Stan Boland taking his 500 > million quid to close down Acorn, didn't say "oh a lot of people have > spent 10 years writing software which will now be wasted, I'd better > think again". > > Nor for that matter did the tens of thousands of RISC OS users who > through the 1990's turned down Strong ARM running RISC OS for 486's > running Windows 3.1. > > If you write software for a platform which has some life in it, there > is the chance to do something good. > > To an extent this is a strange time to have this discussion. In Titanic > terms the Acorn market is not at the point where the iceberg appears, > nor at the point where the ship hits it. We're now at the point where > Kate Winslet has bobbed off over the horizon clutching driftwood. I'm > going to tweek my moustache in an evil looking way and squeeze into a > lifeboat between the widows and orphans, the rest of you are presumably > hanging around to see what happens to the band. When can we expect a deep sea submersible to be sent to look for the wreckage? > > Meanwhile, I'd like to apologise for yesterdays news posting. I hate it > when people send me email in HTML format, and that's just what I did. > All went wrong because I used Outlook, something I usually avoid at all > costs. He who sups with the devil etc. > > -- As far as possible, without surrender, be on good terms with all persons __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ williamj@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Aug 9 01:53:50 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19lGCJ-0001Fi-Fd-0001Gu.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 9 Aug 2003 01:53:50 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19lGCJ-0001Fi-Fd; Fri, 08 Aug 2003 22:59:00 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19lGCJ-0001Fi-Fd; Fri, 08 Aug 2003 22:58:59 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19lGBN-0001XA-1G; Fri, 08 Aug 2003 23:58:01 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h78Muwh30537 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 23:56:58 +0100 Received: from tristone.co.uk (81-86-136-52.dsl.pipex.com [81.86.136.52]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h78Muuj30531 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 23:56:57 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: by tristone.co.uk (Postfix, from userid 500) id CD4811669A; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 23:56:21 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 23:56:21 +0100 From: David Thomas To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OPro Windows Stysheet extension clash? Message-ID: <20030808225621.GA1553@davespace> References: <+sspBREYmSK$EwwZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4C1B5943BA%mik.towse@xemik.com> <4c1bb47c0ewilliamlack@clara.net> <4C1DE7BD49%mik.towse@xemik.com> <20030808185541.GK410010@crail.spa.umn.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030808185541.GK410010@crail.spa.umn.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On Fri, Aug 08, 2003 at 01:55:42PM -0500, Graham Allan wrote: > On