From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Aug 1 21:53:01 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19ifEr-0003ig-3p-0003ly.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 21:53:01 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19ifEr-0003ig-3p; Fri, 01 Aug 2003 19:06:55 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19ifEr-0003ig-3p; Fri, 01 Aug 2003 19:06:53 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19ifEF-0003kC-Mo; Fri, 01 Aug 2003 20:06:15 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h71J4Fq22605 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 20:04:15 +0100 Received: from smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net (smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net [212.135.6.12]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h71J4ET22601 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 20:04:14 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from tnt-13-194.easynet.co.uk ([212.134.22.194] helo=miranda.philipnet.com) by smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 19ifCG-000PAD-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 01 Aug 2003 20:04:13 +0100 Received: from philipnet.com (gromit.philipnet.com [192.168.1.33]) by miranda.philipnet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B933E2C0D1 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 16:45:05 +0100 (BST) Received: from philip by philipnet.com with local (RemoteNB 1.54) for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; 01 Aug 2003 16:44:58 +0100 Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 16:44:56 +0100 From: Philip Ludlam To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS request Message-ID: <24b3371b4c.philip@philipnet.com> References: <2526381a4c.matthew@aether.demon.co.uk> <7P3Y5bE3hBK$Ewip@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c1a4a17bcdfs@ukgateway.net> <+Nr55ACGCSK$Ewy9@pilling.demon.co.uk> <+sspBREYmSK$EwwZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c1ac54ddbjohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4c1ac54ddbjohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (RemoteNB/1.54) (RISC-OS/4.36) X-Sender: Philip Ludlam X-Sender-URL: http://www.philipnet.com/ X-Editor: StrongED 4.66 (stable) X-Editor-URL: http://www.stronged.iconbar.com/ X-Desktop-Utility: Director X-Desktop-Utility-URL: http://director.sourceforge.net/ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 31 Jul, in message <4c1ac54ddbjohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> John Cartmell wrote: >On 31 Jul, David Pilling wrote: >> >Absolutely, we need our developer stalwarts not to show lack of support >> >verbally. As for motivation, perhaps upgrades of all but bug-fixes >> >should be charged. Many like myself will try and have the latest >> >version in use and would be prepared to pay for it. > >> It's always been hard to know what to do, say something negative and you >> risk damaging the business of other people. On the other hand say >> nothing and you are guilty of misleading users by creating a false >> impression. > >> I've been reluctant to charge for upgrades in recent times because the >> money raised will be slight (too few users), will involve lots of time >> spent on admin, and those who have paid will rightly expect a good >> standard of support going on long into the future. > >I'd suggest Martin Wuerthner might have it right with charging for >*additions* to the basic program and charging for a major update whilst >ordinary upgrades/bug removals are free. >It costs users more but the money has to be generated somehow! Seconded! You can also take another leaf out of Martin's book, use external companies/services to took after as much as possible. You can send him money for all sorts of things via PayPal and he uses another company (can't remember the name) for handling payment of software and initial distribution. Yours, Phil L. -- http://www.philipnet.com http://director.sourceforge.net i ou a uea i e a o ie e a o a a oue oae -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Aug 1 22:30:20 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19ihT1-0004RQ-9B-0004Vh.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 22:30:20 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19ihT1-0004RQ-9B; Fri, 01 Aug 2003 21:29:42 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19ihT1-0004RQ-9B; Fri, 01 Aug 2003 21:29:39 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19ih5c-0006CZ-I1; Fri, 01 Aug 2003 22:05:28 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h71L4Ur21326 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 22:04:30 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h71L4UX21321 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 22:04:30 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19ih4f-000EjQ-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 01 Aug 2003 22:04:29 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 22:03:16 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS request References: <2526381a4c.matthew@aether.demon.co.uk> <7P3Y5bE3hBK$Ewip@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c1a4a17bcdfs@ukgateway.net> <+Nr55ACGCSK$Ewy9@pilling.demon.co.uk> <+sspBREYmSK$EwwZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c1ac54ddbjohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <24b3371b4c.philip@philipnet.com> In-Reply-To: <24b3371b4c.philip@philipnet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >You can also take another leaf out of Martin's book, use external >companies/services to took after as much as possible. You can send him >money for all sorts of things via PayPal and he uses another company Fair comment, to an extent I'm living in the past, assuming you all want discs and printed manuals, and taking payment by cheque. I really should get my ecommerce facility going. Thanks for the encouraging responses. I guess at the moment there's something of a set back in the IT industry in the UK. If anyone has a bright idea for a new RISC OS program, or thinks they can do better than an existing one, there are plenty of programmers available. I frequently get solicitations from third world code shops, offering to write stuff for me at low cost. So you could go that route. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Aug 1 23:09:38 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19ii5H-0003zI-3a-000453.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 23:09:38 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19ii5H-0003zI-3a; Fri, 01 Aug 2003 22:09:13 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19ii5H-0003zI-3a; Fri, 01 Aug 2003 22:09:11 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19ihx3-0001Hi-5I; Fri, 01 Aug 2003 23:00:41 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h71M0WG01911 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 23:00:32 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h71M0SY01874 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 23:00:29 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 19ihwp-0003Lg-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 01 Aug 2003 23:00:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 22:53:00 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS request Message-ID: <4c1b59658fJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <2526381a4c.matthew@aether.demon.co.uk> <7P3Y5bE3hBK$Ewip@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c1a4a17bcdfs@ukgateway.net> <+Nr55ACGCSK$Ewy9@pilling.demon.co.uk> <+sspBREYmSK$EwwZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c1ac54ddbjohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <24b3371b4c.philip@philipnet.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article , David Pilling wrote: > I frequently get solicitations from third world code shops, offering > to write stuff for me at low cost. So you could go that route. I bet they don't know anything about RO though. -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Aug 1 23:27:47 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19iiMh-0002rQ-ES-0002tP.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 23:27:47 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19iiMh-0002rQ-ES; Fri, 01 Aug 2003 22:27:13 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19iiMh-0002rQ-ES; Fri, 01 Aug 2003 22:27:11 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19iiMS-0000MZ-0O; Fri, 01 Aug 2003 23:26:56 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h71MQM108921 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 23:26:22 +0100 Received: from aquarius.realingenuity.net (aquarius.realingenuity.net [213.165.154.155]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h71MQL808917 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 23:26:21 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from RTV (1Cust153.tnt14.lnd1.gbr.da.uu.net [62.188.4.153]) by aquarius.realingenuity.net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id h71MGVa09179 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 23:16:32 +0100 Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 22:51:33 +0100 From: Mik Towse To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OPro Windows Stysheet extension clash? Message-ID: <4C1B5943BA%mik.towse@xemik.com> References: <2526381a4c.matthew@aether.demon.co.uk> <7P3Y5bE3hBK$Ewip@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c1a4a17bcdfs@ukgateway.net> <+Nr55ACGCSK$Ewy9@pilling.demon.co.uk> <+sspBREYmSK$EwwZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.61 POPstar/2.05 X-Editor: Zap 1.45, using ZapEmail 0.26 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article David Pilling wrote: > >I've just noticed from the RComp/DataPoer2 wbsite that the extension > >for a Windows version of a DataPower script file is .dps - as I'm > >considering getting DP for its cross platform ability, and have > >installed OPro for windows, might there be a problem there? > >Colin Carnegie > Thanks. Good point. > > Given my limited experience of the Windows world, I've wondered how such > conflicts are resolved. [snip] > I have considered going beyond three character extensions, these don't > seem popular, but offer a much larger name space. IME these seem most common when linked to the 'net & two character extensions are possible. How about using the ROS filetype (B27) as the extn? FWIW it's not listed on my XP laptop. -- Centuries ago, cats were worshipped as gods. Cats have not forgotten this. __ __ _ _ _____ | \/ (_) | __ |_ _|____ __ _____ ___ | |\/| | | |/ / | |/ _ \ V V (_- for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 02:28:17 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19ilBf-0001LI-5v; Sat, 02 Aug 2003 01:28:02 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19ilBf-0001LI-5v; Sat, 02 Aug 2003 01:27:59 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19ilBM-0002Il-7s; Sat, 02 Aug 2003 02:27:40 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h721R6u05309 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 02:27:06 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h721R4o05306 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 02:27:04 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19ilAm-0002KF-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 02 Aug 2003 02:27:04 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 02:25:35 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OPro Windows Stysheet extension clash? References: <2526381a4c.matthew@aether.demon.co.uk> <7P3Y5bE3hBK$Ewip@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c1a4a17bcdfs@ukgateway.net> <+Nr55ACGCSK$Ewy9@pilling.demon.co.uk> <+sspBREYmSK$EwwZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4C1B5943BA%mik.towse@xemik.com> In-Reply-To: <4C1B5943BA%mik.towse@xemik.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >are possible. How about using the ROS filetype (B27) as the extn? FWIW it's >not listed on my XP laptop. Having the RISC OS numeric types (as well) is definitely on the cards, offering some compatibility with file transfer software. One site which gives a list of extensions is; http://www.ace.net.nz/tech/TechFileFormat.html although it seems to not know about .dps -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Aug 2 13:59:48 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19itNr-00036A-Ff-00039Q.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 13:59:48 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19itNr-00036A-Ff; Sat, 02 Aug 2003 10:13:10 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19itNr-00036A-Ff; Sat, 02 Aug 2003 10:13:07 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19issK-0005C6-8i; Sat, 02 Aug 2003 10:40:32 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h729e1631752 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 10:40:01 +0100 Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h729e1l31749 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 10:40:01 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [62.188.156.205] (helo=62.188.156.205) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 19isrm-0008Vy-Qg for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 02 Aug 2003 10:39:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Rob Hemmings To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2003 09:52:47 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS request Message-ID: <4c1b95cd61robh@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <2526381a4c.matthew@aether.demon.co.uk> <7P3Y5bE3hBK$Ewip@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c1a4a17bcdfs@ukgateway.net> <+Nr55ACGCSK$Ewy9@pilling.demon.co.uk> <+sspBREYmSK$EwwZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c1ac54ddbjohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <24b3371b4c.philip@philipnet.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article , David Pilling wrote: > >You can also take another leaf out of Martin's book, use external > >companies/services to took after as much as possible. You can send him > >money for all sorts of things via PayPal and he uses another company > Fair comment, to an extent I'm living in the past, assuming you all > want discs and printed manuals, and taking payment by cheque. I really > should get my ecommerce facility going. > Thanks for the encouraging responses. I'd just like to add mine :-) I'm very prepared to pay for any enhancements to any of your RISC OS products that I own (OPro, DPSS, Trace, SparkFS). Paypal seems like a good route - I like the speed. Printed manuals are nice but certainly not essential - to be honest I can't remember when I last opened the one for OPro. -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Hemmings Southport Tel: +44 (0)1704 573210 rhemmings@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Aug 2 14:54:08 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19iwp9-0000WK-Du-0000Z0.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 14:54:08 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19iwp9-0000WK-Du; Sat, 02 Aug 2003 13:53:33 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19iwp9-0000WK-Du; Sat, 02 Aug 2003 13:53:31 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19iwor-0003xR-0G; Sat, 02 Aug 2003 14:53:13 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h72DqL720318 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 14:52:21 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h72DqK820314 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 14:52:20 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 19iwo0-0004m4-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 02 Aug 2003 14:52:20 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 14:50:59 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS request References: <2526381a4c.matthew@aether.demon.co.uk> <7P3Y5bE3hBK$Ewip@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c1a4a17bcdfs@ukgateway.net> <+Nr55ACGCSK$Ewy9@pilling.demon.co.uk> <+sspBREYmSK$EwwZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c1ac54ddbjohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <24b3371b4c.philip@philipnet.com> <4c1b95cd61robh@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4c1b95cd61robh@argonet.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >I'm very prepared to pay for any enhancements to any of your RISC OS >products that I own (OPro, DPSS, Trace, SparkFS). Thank you. Money isn't the problem. The problem is the expectation, the experience in fact, that effort expended on RISC OS is cast to the wind. Stan Boland taking his 500 million quid to close down Acorn, didn't say "oh a lot of people have spent 10 years writing software which will now be wasted, I'd better think again". Nor for that matter did the tens of thousands of RISC OS users who through the 1990's turned down Strong ARM running RISC OS for 486's running Windows 3.1. If you write software for a platform which has some life in it, there is the chance to do something good. To an extent this is a strange time to have this discussion. In Titanic terms the Acorn market is not at the point where the iceberg appears, nor at the point where the ship hits it. We're now at the point where Kate Winslet has bobbed off over the horizon clutching driftwood. I'm going to tweek my moustache in an evil looking way and squeeze into a lifeboat between the widows and orphans, the rest of you are presumably hanging around to see what happens to the band. Meanwhile, I'd like to apologise for yesterdays news posting. I hate it when people send me email in HTML format, and that's just what I did. All went wrong because I used Outlook, something I usually avoid at all costs. He who sups with the devil etc. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Aug 2 15:26:23 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19ixKK-0000o0-7c-0000qT.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 15:26:23 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19ixKK-0000o0-7c; Sat, 02 Aug 2003 14:25:46 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19ixKK-0000o0-7c; Sat, 02 Aug 2003 14:25:44 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19ixKB-0004rE-1u; Sat, 02 Aug 2003 15:25:35 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h72EPT026722 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 15:25:29 +0100 Received: from chaos.uk.clara.net (chaos.uk.clara.net [195.8.69.185]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h72EPTc26717 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 15:25:29 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from du-033-0119.claranet.co.uk ([195.8.88.119] helo=clara) by chaos.uk.clara.net with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 19ixK4-000Gtv-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 02 Aug 2003 15:25:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: William Lack To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2003 15:27:55 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OPro Windows Stysheet extension clash? Message-ID: <4c1bb47c0ewilliamlack@clara.net> In-Reply-To: References: <2526381a4c.matthew@aether.demon.co.uk> <7P3Y5bE3hBK$Ewip@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c1a4a17bcdfs@ukgateway.net> <+Nr55ACGCSK$Ewy9@pilling.demon.co.uk> <+sspBREYmSK$EwwZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4C1B5943BA%mik.towse@xemik.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.02f (RISC-OS/4.36) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 02 Aug, David Pilling wrote: > >are possible. How about using the ROS filetype (B27) as the extn? FWIW > >it's not listed on my XP laptop. > Having the RISC OS numeric types (as well) is definitely on the cards, > offering some compatibility with file transfer software. > One site which gives a list of extensions is; > http://www.ace.net.nz/tech/TechFileFormat.html > although it seems to not know about .dps Surely the windows extension for Datapower files is dp1 ? I do quite a lot of transfer of datapower files between the two platforms and all the ones on the PC have dp1 extensions. -- William Lack --------------------- williamlack@clara.net County Series: http://home.clara.net/williamlack/index.htm -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Aug 2 15:48:35 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19ixg5-000684-Fr-0006AH.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 15:48:35 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19ixg5-000684-Fr; Sat, 02 Aug 2003 14:48:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19ixg5-000684-Fr; Sat, 02 Aug 2003 14:48:13 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19ixff-0006JC-Gb; Sat, 02 Aug 2003 15:47:47 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h72Elhi31344 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 15:47:43 +0100 Received: from mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (mta02-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.42]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h72Elg931337 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 15:47:42 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from Iyonix ([213.105.82.211]) by mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20030802144742.RFWV9049.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@Iyonix> for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 15:47:42 +0100 Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2003 15:49:27 +0100 From: John Sandford To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS request Message-ID: References: <2526381a4c.matthew@aether.demon.co.uk> <7P3Y5bE3hBK$Ewip@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c1a4a17bcdfs@ukgateway.net> <+Nr55ACGCSK$Ewy9@pilling.demon.co.uk> <+sspBREYmSK$EwwZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c1ac54ddbjohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <24b3371b4c.philip@philipnet.com> <4c1b95cd61robh@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.70a (MsgServe/2.10) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message David Pilling wrote: [snip] > To an extent this is a strange time to have this discussion. In Titanic > terms the Acorn market is not at the point where the iceberg appears, > nor at the point where the ship hits it. We're now at the point where > Kate Winslet has bobbed off over the horizon clutching driftwood. I'm > going to tweek my moustache in an evil looking way and squeeze into a > lifeboat between the widows and orphans, the rest of you are presumably > hanging around to see what happens to the band. [snip] Excepting the above, Kate Winslet (aka the character she portrayed) survived for a further 60 odd years ! :-) -- John Sandford West Herts UK Hemel Hempstead Risc OS User Group www.hhrug.org.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Aug 5 23:12:24 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19j3TL-00058l-70-0005Dl.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 23:12:24 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19j3TL-00058l-70; Sat, 02 Aug 2003 20:59:29 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19j3TL-00058l-70; Sat, 02 Aug 2003 20:59:27 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19j3Sv-0001JZ-D6; Sat, 02 Aug 2003 21:59:01 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h72KwWw07743 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 21:58:32 +0100 Received: from aquarius.realingenuity.net (aquarius.realingenuity.net [213.165.154.155]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h72KwUo07723 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 21:58:30 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from RTV (1Cust18.tnt13.lnd1.gbr.da.uu.net [62.188.1.18]) by aquarius.realingenuity.net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id h72Kmca00674 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 21:48:39 +0100 Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2003 21:49:44 +0100 From: Mik Towse To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS request Message-ID: <4C1BD770D2%mik.towse@xemik.com> References: <+sspBREYmSK$EwwZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c1ac54ddbjohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <24b3371b4c.philip@philipnet.com> <4c1b95cd61robh@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.61 POPstar/2.05 X-Editor: Zap 1.45, using ZapEmail 0.26 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article John Sandford wrote: > David Pilling wrote: > [snip] > > To an extent this is a strange time to have this discussion. In Titanic > > terms the Acorn market is not at the point where the iceberg appears, > > nor at the point where the ship hits it. We're now at the point where > > Kate Winslet has bobbed off over the horizon clutching driftwood. I'm > > going to tweek my moustache in an evil looking way and squeeze into a > > lifeboat between the widows and orphans, the rest of you are presumably > > hanging around to see what happens to the band. > [snip] > survived for a further 60 odd years ! :-) A fair point; AIUI the Amiga is still going 'strong'. However, I think David is alluding to the possibility (fact?) that ROS will only ever be a fringe OS. Unfortunately, most ppl's experience does not extend beyond M$ dross, so this situation is unlikely to change 'real soon' (despite recent developments). In the ROS world David s/w has little or no competition, so it's a credit to him that it is of such high quality. When you look at what we as long term ROS users take for granted it's quite worrying to see what PC users accept as the norm. Many PC users friends have wondered at my sanity for using a 9yo computer, when I could have the latest high-speed blah-de-blah (which I do have, but...). Well, recently I was asked to design something to wrap around a mug. The PCC had been messing with ideas on a PC for a couple of days & got nowhere. Well to cut to the chase, I put the kettle on, fired up OPro & had the design finished by the time the coffee was finished! I mean, Windoze /still/ doesn't have proper drag & drop. I will probably still be using ROS when the credits to 'Titanic III - A Space Opera' are playing. (Fancy not seeing that asteroid!) Sorry for the long post, but it hit a nerve, STS. What I'm trying to say, I guess, is that ROS is a long way from dead, but it /does/ need support. -- If practice makes perfect, and nobody's perfect, why practice? __ __ _ _ _____ | \/ (_) | __ |_ _|____ __ _____ ___ | |\/| | | |/ / | |/ _ \ V V (_- for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 23:12:27 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19j4hN-0005Dd-Et; Sat, 02 Aug 2003 22:18:03 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19j4hN-0005Dd-Et; Sat, 02 Aug 2003 22:18:01 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19j4gm-00080h-DH; Sat, 02 Aug 2003 23:17:24 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h72MGoh21549 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 23:16:50 +0100 Received: from kx1-gui.server.which.net (kx1-gui.server.which.net [194.168.97.11]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h72MGns21541 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 23:16:49 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from dan-q2amtw6l9qb.which.net ([62.255.44.16]) by kx1-gui.server.which.net (InterMail vK.4.04.00.00 201-232-137 license e70b2acfbd69d84cc925654164bd8fad) with ESMTP id <20030802221648.YRKC11089.kx1-gui@dan-q2amtw6l9qb.which.net> for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 23:16:48 +0100 Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.0.20030802174331.00b3bd58@mail.which.net> X-Sender: waddell@mail.which.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2003 18:15:15 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: John Waddell Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS request In-Reply-To: References: <2526381a4c.matthew@aether.demon.co.uk> <7P3Y5bE3hBK$Ewip@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c1a4a17bcdfs@ukgateway.net> <+Nr55ACGCSK$Ewy9@pilling.demon.co.uk> <+sspBREYmSK$EwwZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c1ac54ddbjohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <24b3371b4c.philip@philipnet.com> <4c1b95cd61robh@argonet.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist At 15:49 02-08-03 +0100, you wrote: >In message > David Pilling wrote: > >[snip] > > > > To an extent this is a strange time to have this discussion. In Titanic > > terms the Acorn market is not at the point where the iceberg appears, > > nor at the point where the ship hits it. We're now at the point where > > Kate Winslet has bobbed off over the horizon clutching driftwood. I'm > > going to tweek my moustache in an evil looking way and squeeze into a > > lifeboat between the widows and orphans, the rest of you are presumably > > hanging around to see what happens to the band. > >[snip] > >Excepting the above, Kate Winslet (aka the character she portrayed) >survived for a further 60 odd years ! :-) Yes but by then her operating system had degraded more than gracefully and she needed help in porting herself around. The sad part is that a lot of good people went down with the ship. I did not buy a ticket. Because there was a serious delay in getting the cabin I wanted and no guarantee it would be ready by the time I needed to travel, I bought a ticket on another liner. I have to confess that there were a great many bozos on the alternative liner, who did not have an intellectual bone in their bodies and although the food was not as nourishing as on the Titanic, there was plenty more of it with a greater variety, it kept me alive reasonably well and got me to my destination. The ticket was cheaper too. I see there is now a new liner on the horizon but its sea trials are not completed, I really don't want to and can't afford to finance another voyage, however attractive it might become. Sigh. John W. -- John Waddell, Langbank, Renfrewshire -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Aug 5 23:12:30 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19j5Ao-0002Ir-5M-0002Ko.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 23:12:30 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19j5Ao-0002Ir-5M; Sat, 02 Aug 2003 22:48:28 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19j5Ao-0002Ir-5M; Sat, 02 Aug 2003 22:48:26 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19j5Aa-0001Ez-HO; Sat, 02 Aug 2003 23:48:12 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h72Mm6K26084 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 23:48:06 +0100 Received: from mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (mta06-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.46]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h72Mm6A26080 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 23:48:06 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from standalone ([80.0.25.10]) by mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20030802212932.THWG14760.mta06-svc.ntlworld.com@standalone> for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 22:29:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Grant R(Forums)" To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2003 22:29:19 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS request Message-ID: <4c1bdb109fmaillists.randall@ntlworld.com> References: <2526381a4c.matthew@aether.demon.co.uk> <7P3Y5bE3hBK$Ewip@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c1a4a17bcdfs@ukgateway.net> <+Nr55ACGCSK$Ewy9@pilling.demon.co.uk> <+sspBREYmSK$EwwZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c1ac54ddbjohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <24b3371b4c.philip@philipnet.com> <4c1b95cd61robh@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.36) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article , David Pilling wrote: > To an extent this is a strange time to have this discussion. In Titanic > terms the Acorn market is not at the point where the iceberg appears, > nor at the point where the ship hits it. We're now at the point where > Kate Winslet has bobbed off over the horizon clutching driftwood. I'm > going to tweek my moustache in an evil looking way and squeeze into a > lifeboat between the widows and orphans, the rest of you are presumably > hanging around to see what happens to the band. You don't even see the Iyonix as the SS Carpathia? (Please don't say smoky, underpowered and with poor wireless communications!) -- Kind Regards, Grant Randall Yorkshire, GB http://homepage.ntlworld.com/grant.randall Randalls Home Page During shift periods, I may be slow to reply, please bear with me... -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Aug 5 23:12:43 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19jEYv-0000kR-Fg-0000mM.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 23:12:43 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19jEYv-0000kR-Fg; Sun, 03 Aug 2003 08:49:59 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19jEYv-0000kR-Fg; Sun, 03 Aug 2003 08:49:57 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19jEYb-0002qL-BV; Sun, 03 Aug 2003 09:49:37 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h738mlF08532 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 3 Aug 2003 09:48:47 +0100 Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h738mkf08527 for ; Sun, 3 Aug 2003 09:48:46 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [62.188.130.154] (helo=62.188.130.154) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 19jEXi-0001gZ-6T for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 03 Aug 2003 09:48:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Rob Hemmings To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2003 19:06:58 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS request Message-ID: <4c1bc88a1erobh@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <2526381a4c.matthew@aether.demon.co.uk> <7P3Y5bE3hBK$Ewip@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c1a4a17bcdfs@ukgateway.net> <+Nr55ACGCSK$Ewy9@pilling.demon.co.uk> <+sspBREYmSK$EwwZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c1ac54ddbjohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <24b3371b4c.philip@philipnet.com> <4c1b95cd61robh@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article , David Pilling wrote: > >I'm very prepared to pay for any enhancements to any of your RISC OS > >products that I own (OPro, DPSS, Trace, SparkFS). > Thank you. Money isn't the problem. > The problem is the expectation, the experience in fact, that effort > expended on RISC OS is cast to the wind. Stan Boland taking his 500 > million quid to close down Acorn, didn't say "oh a lot of people have > spent 10 years writing software which will now be wasted, I'd better > think again". > Nor for that matter did the tens of thousands of RISC OS users who > through the 1990's turned down Strong ARM running RISC OS for 486's > running Windows 3.1. > If you write software for a platform which has some life in it, there > is the chance to do something good. Well you may be right but I have never found anything on PCs that I am anywhere near as happy using as the combination of OPro and other RISC OS based programs. Even with OPro on Windows what will be missing is the amazingly easy way that programs cooperate on RISC OS. In my experience, (and I use Windows machines and Word almost every working day) getting any two Windows programs to work together is a real pain, any more than two and its usually so painful as not to be worth bothering. That is why I expect to be happily using RISC OS and OPro for many years to come, regardless of what else happens in the computing world. It is the ease of getting the end results I want that matters! -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Hemmings Southport Tel: +44 (0)1704 573210 rhemmings@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Aug 5 23:12:45 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19jFlY-0001y4-Bf-00021i.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 23:12:45 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19jFlY-0001y4-Bf; Sun, 03 Aug 2003 10:07:06 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19jFlY-0001y4-Bf; Sun, 03 Aug 2003 10:07:04 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19jFlP-0001I9-1r; Sun, 03 Aug 2003 11:06:55 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h73A62c25938 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 3 Aug 2003 11:06:02 +0100 Received: from scrabble.freeuk.net (scrabble.freeuk.net [212.126.144.29]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h73A60l25930 for ; Sun, 3 Aug 2003 11:06:01 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from du-009-0207.freeuk.com ([212.126.152.207] helo=helvellyn) by scrabble.freeuk.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19jFkV-0005dH-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 03 Aug 2003 11:06:00 +0100 Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2003 10:19:14 +0100 From: Steve Fryatt To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS request Message-ID: <620f1c1c4c.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> References: <2526381a4c.matthew@aether.demon.co.uk> <7P3Y5bE3hBK$Ewip@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c1a4a17bcdfs@ukgateway.net> <+Nr55ACGCSK$Ewy9@pilling.demon.co.uk> <+sspBREYmSK$EwwZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c1ac54ddbjohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <24b3371b4c.philip@philipnet.com> <4c1b95cd61robh@argonet.co.uk> <5.1.1.6.0.20030802174331.00b3bd58@mail.which.net> In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030802174331.00b3bd58@mail.which.net> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.70a (MsgServe/2.10) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 X-Editor: Zap 1.46 (03 Jun 2003) [TEST], ZapEmail 0.27 (21 Mar 2003) test-6 (32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 2 Aug, John Waddell wrote in message <5.1.1.6.0.20030802174331.00b3bd58@mail.which.net>: [Titanic analogies] > The sad part is that a lot of good people went down with the ship. I > did not buy a ticket. Because there was a serious delay in getting the > cabin I wanted and no guarantee it would be ready by the time I needed > to travel, I bought a ticket on another liner. I have to confess that > there were a great many bozos on the alternative liner, who did not > have an intellectual bone in their bodies and although the food was not > as nourishing as on the Titanic, there was plenty more of it with a > greater variety, it kept me alive reasonably well and got me to my > destination. The ticket was cheaper too. > > I see there is now a new liner on the horizon but its sea trials are not > completed, I really don't want to and can't afford to finance another > voyage, however attractive it might become. I thought that the new liner has already "rescued" us from the lifeboats (for a fee, of course), with us hoping that it wouldn't strike another iceberg itself before it got us somewhere. There were rumours that there might be another liner somewhere just over the horizon that could reach those in the water at some point (before or after they drown). So far, there's been no sign of it, though.. > Sigh. Indeed. :-( -- Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/ * "There are three kinds of economist. Those who can count and those who can't." - Eddie George -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Aug 5 23:12:54 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19jLJg-0007JE-85-0007LU.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 23:12:54 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19jLJg-0007JE-85; Sun, 03 Aug 2003 16:02:42 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19jLJg-0007JE-85; Sun, 03 Aug 2003 16:02:40 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19jLJL-0002BG-UO; Sun, 03 Aug 2003 17:02:19 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h73G1fS29614 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 3 Aug 2003 17:01:41 +0100 Received: from mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (mta07-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.47]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h73G1eU29605 for ; Sun, 3 Aug 2003 17:01:40 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from ntlworld.com ([62.253.40.81]) by mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20030803160139.EPNM1286.mta07-svc.ntlworld.com@ntlworld.com> for ; Sun, 3 Aug 2003 17:01:39 +0100 Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2003 17:01:51 GMT From: To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] Extracting draw file Message-ID: X-Organization: JaySoft User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.70a (MsgServe/2.10) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.04-pre2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by svr1.spellings.net id h73G1eU29607 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Is there any way I can extract a draw file from an OPro doc. It was OK till I upgraded to an Iyonix and now the draw file in my document doesn't show and if I try to 'save picture' I get an error from OPro (might have gone wrong!) If anyone would care to attempt it, maybe if somone is using a RISC PC they could save the file out using that, I would be eternally grateful. It is an 81Kb file when squashed. John Charman -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Aug 5 23:12:59 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19jR0h-0001vK-En-0001yq.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 23:12:59 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19jR0h-0001vK-En; Sun, 03 Aug 2003 22:07:29 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19jR0h-0001vK-En; Sun, 03 Aug 2003 22:07:27 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19jR0a-0002CW-9V; Sun, 03 Aug 2003 23:07:20 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h73M6ZL18156 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 3 Aug 2003 23:06:35 +0100 Received: from technetium.cix.co.uk (technetium.cix.co.uk [194.153.0.53]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h73M6YH18144 for ; Sun, 3 Aug 2003 23:06:34 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: (from cix@localhost) by technetium.cix.co.uk (8.11.3/CIX/8.11.2) id h73M6XV05565 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 3 Aug 2003 23:06:34 +0100 (BST) X-Envelope-From: Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 23:06 +0100 (BST) From:(E J Phillips) Subject: [softwarelist] re Ovpro for windows To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Cc: ejphillips@cix.compulink.co.uk Message-Id: X-Ameol-Version: 2.52.2000, Windows 98 4.10.2222 ( A ) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist I have just transferred a RiscPC ovpro file to Ovpro windows. It comes ok on the screen put only prints the first frame. To print the whole document I have to group the frames. What am I doing wrong? John Phillips -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Aug 5 23:13:15 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19jhun-0007hP-C9-0007jg.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 23:13:15 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19jhun-0007hP-C9; Mon, 04 Aug 2003 16:10:31 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19jhun-0007hP-C9; Mon, 04 Aug 2003 16:10:29 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19jhud-00049c-2S; Mon, 04 Aug 2003 17:10:19 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h74G8x621720 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 17:08:59 +0100 Received: from mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (mta07-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.47]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h74G8vB21707 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 17:08:57 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from localhost ([62.254.40.150]) by mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20030804160855.UFI1286.mta07-svc.ntlworld.com@localhost> for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 17:08:55 +0100 Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 17:07:25 +0100 From: To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OPro Windows Stysheet extension clash? Message-ID: References: <2526381a4c.matthew@aether.demon.co.uk> <7P3Y5bE3hBK$Ewip@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c1a4a17bcdfs@ukgateway.net> <+Nr55ACGCSK$Ewy9@pilling.demon.co.uk> <+sspBREYmSK$EwwZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4C1B5943BA%mik.towse@xemik.com> <4c1bb47c0ewilliamlack@clara.net> In-Reply-To: <4c1bb47c0ewilliamlack@clara.net> X-Organization: Centre Stage User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60a (MsgServe/2.01beta) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message <4c1bb47c0ewilliamlack@clara.net> William Lack wrote: [snip] > > Surely the windows extension for Datapower files is dp1 ? I do quite a > lot of transfer of datapower files between the two platforms and all the > ones on the PC have dp1 extensions. > Yes - but I was talking about the extension for Datapower Script files, which is .dps -- Colin Carnegie colinc@argonet.co.uk www.argonet.co.uk/users/cstage -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Aug 5 23:13:16 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19jiku-0000gu-Fy-0000iD.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 23:13:16 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19jiku-0000gu-Fy; Mon, 04 Aug 2003 17:04:21 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19jiku-0000gu-Fy; Mon, 04 Aug 2003 17:04:20 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19jikm-00006C-I5; Mon, 04 Aug 2003 18:04:12 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h74H46C08778 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 18:04:06 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h74H44H08768 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 18:04:04 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from aether.demon.co.uk ([158.152.186.18]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19jikd-0004il-0X for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 04 Aug 2003 18:04:04 +0100 Received: from medusa.therealm ([192.168.0.2] helo=aether.demon.co.uk) by aether.demon.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19iUBJ-0004yx-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 01 Aug 2003 08:18:29 +0100 Received: from matthew by aether.demon.co.uk with local (RemoteNB 1.54) for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; 01 Aug 2003 08:21:09 +0100 Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 08:21:09 +0100 From: Matthew Hambley Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SparkFS request Message-ID: <9193091b4c.matthew@aether.demon.co.uk> References: <2526381a4c.matthew@aether.demon.co.uk> <7P3Y5bE3hBK$Ewip@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <7P3Y5bE3hBK$Ewip@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Beyond the Reality Barrier User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (RemoteNB/1.54) (RISC-OS/4.36) X-Editor: Zap 1.45 (06 Nov 2002), ZapEmail 0.26 (03 Nov 2002) To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message <7P3Y5bE3hBK$Ewip@pilling.demon.co.uk> David Pilling wrote: > > I think that's exactly what I would expect since what a BZip file > > contains is a single file. It would be a handy feature to have for > > those of use who spend some time in the *nix domain. > > it's the invisble elephant you're having problems with here. > Desktop RISC OS is doomed, what is my motivation for doing any more work > on it? ??? Did I touch a raw nerve? -- (\/)atthew )-(ambley ---------------\ If something's worth doing it's worth E-mail : matthew@aether.demon.co.uk \ doing badly until you can learn to Public key : C991137B \ do it well. Web : http://www.aether.demon.co.uk/ \----------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Aug 5 23:13:37 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19k3nd-0006qp-5B-0006tm.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 23:13:37 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19k3nd-0006qp-5B; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 15:32:35 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19k3nd-0006qp-5B; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 15:32:33 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19k3nA-0001rG-8G; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 16:32:04 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h75FUwX10941 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 16:30:58 +0100 Received: from mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (mta01-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.41]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h75FUue10926 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 16:30:56 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from ntlworld.com ([62.253.40.123]) by mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20030805153055.WXBH25721.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@ntlworld.com> for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 16:30:55 +0100 Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 16:29:15 GMT From: To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] =?iso-8859-1?q?Failure_to=A0print?= Message-ID: <9e194b1d4c.jaycee@jstp.freeserve.co.uk> X-Organization: JaySoft User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.70a (MsgServe/2.10) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.04-pre2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist I have a 32 page document which I print as a pamphlet; I use it once a year and have never had any problems with it but a very strange thing is now happening. I normally print it page by page and for some strange reason page 4 back will not print on my HP1200 printer, it seems to send it, the printer light flashes but just refuses to print. All other pages print fine both back and front. The even more odd thing is that it (page four back) will print fine on my HP 970Cxi. If I try printing all the backs then the laser prints the first three sheets and then once again just stops. I really need to get this working as soon as I can - help!!! Iyonix PC RISCOS 5.03 !Printers 1.67 OPro 2.71 John Charman -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Aug 5 23:13:38 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19k496-000757-6L-00078B.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 23:13:38 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19k496-000757-6L; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 15:54:46 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19k496-000757-6L; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 15:54:44 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19k48n-0002Qf-Px; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 16:54:25 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h75FsMg20148 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 16:54:22 +0100 Received: from bryans.org (www.bryans.org [195.149.46.231]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with SMTP id h75FsLI20133 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 16:54:21 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: (qmail 28323 invoked by uid 1000); 5 Aug 2003 15:54:12 -0000 Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 16:54:12 +0100 From: Toby Bryans To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Failure_?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?to=A0print?= Message-ID: <20030805155412.GT16482@elephant.localnet> Mail-Followup-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net References: <9e194b1d4c.jaycee@jstp.freeserve.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <9e194b1d4c.jaycee@jstp.freeserve.co.uk> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On Tue, Aug 05, 2003 at 04:29:15PM +0000, jaycee@jstp.freeserve.co.uk wrote: > I have a 32 page document which I print as a pamphlet; I use it once a year > and have never had any problems with it but a very strange thing is now > happening. > > I normally print it page by page and for some strange reason page 4 back will > not print on my HP1200 printer, it seems to send it, the printer light > flashes but just refuses to print. All other pages print fine both back and > front. How much memory do you have in the 2100? IIRC it comes with 8Mb as default, which is a bit low, especially if you have JPEGs in the page. There is a feature in 2.71 which means that it doesn't send the JPEG as a JPEG to the printer, thus vastly increasing the page memory usage. What you describe as happening on the 2100 is generally what happens if you run out of printer memory. The feature is reverted to the original behaviour in 2.72 of Ovation Pro. Try downloading 2.72 from http://pilling.users.netlink.co.uk/ovationpro/upgrade/op272.zip and let us know if this fixes your problem. Kind Regards, -- T./ | web : http://www.bryans.org/toby/ | key : http://www.bryans.org/toby/keys/bryans.txt | fun : http://www.elesoc.org/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Aug 5 23:13:39 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19k4IW-000308-Fv-00033B.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 23:13:39 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19k4IW-000308-Fv; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 16:04:30 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19k4IW-000308-Fv; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 16:04:28 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19k4IE-0001Pv-BP; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 17:04:10 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h75G45j24134 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 17:04:05 +0100 Received: from smtpzilla3.xs4all.nl (smtpzilla3.xs4all.nl [194.109.127.139]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h75G43V24121 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 17:04:03 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from xs4all.nl (zaansoft.net [213.84.184.65] (may be forged)) by smtpzilla3.xs4all.nl (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h75G4217039541; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 18:04:02 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <3F2FD574.7000507@xs4all.nl> Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 18:04:04 +0200 From: jan vermeulen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Failure to print References: <9e194b1d4c.jaycee@jstp.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <9e194b1d4c.jaycee@jstp.freeserve.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist jaycee@jstp.freeserve.co.uk wrote: > I have a 32 page document which I print as a pamphlet; I use it once > a year and have never had any problems with it but a very strange thing > is now happening. > > I normally print it page by page and for some strange reason page 4 back > will not print on my HP1200 printer, it seems to send it, the printer > light flashes but just refuses to print. All other pages print fine both > back and front. > > The even more odd thing is that it (page four back) will print fine on > my HP 970Cxi. > > If I try printing all the backs then the laser prints the first three > sheets and then once again just stops. > > I really need to get this working as soon as I can - help!!! > > Iyonix PC RISCOS 5.03 !Printers 1.67 OPro 2.71 The HP 970Cx1 is an inkjet printer so it prints lines whereas the HP1200 is a laser printer and these print pages. Most probably, there is an End Of Page mark failing at the end of the file. I'm not aware of the correct codes to use but you should find them in the HP data booklets. Hope this helps. Jan -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Aug 5 23:32:32 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19kALI-00063C-5p-00064y.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 23:32:32 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19kALI-00063C-5p; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 22:31:46 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19kALI-00063C-5p; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 22:31:44 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19kAKi-0007v9-HL; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 23:31:08 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h75MUbw12321 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 23:30:37 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h75MUbB12315 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 23:30:37 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 19kAKC-0002p6-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 23:30:36 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 23:29:17 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OPro Windows Stysheet extension clash? References: <2526381a4c.matthew@aether.demon.co.uk> <7P3Y5bE3hBK$Ewip@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c1a4a17bcdfs@ukgateway.net> <+Nr55ACGCSK$Ewy9@pilling.demon.co.uk> <+sspBREYmSK$EwwZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4C1B5943BA%mik.towse@xemik.com> <4c1bb47c0ewilliamlack@clara.net> In-Reply-To: <4c1bb47c0ewilliamlack@clara.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >From: Ketil Kristiansen On Sat, 2 Aug 2003, David Pilling wrote: > >are possible. How about using the ROS filetype (B27) as the extn? FWIW it's > >not listed on my XP laptop. > > Having the RISC OS numeric types (as well) is definitely on the cards, > offering some compatibility with file transfer software. I can't see any good reasons to limit extensions to three letters anymore, since DOS and the FAT 8+3 filename limitation is, for all practical purposes, dead and gone. That said, there's probably half a ton of utilities out there that would choke on four or more characters, though I haven't met any of them lately. Also, for those of us who like extensions to be abbreviations or mnemonics that can actually be remembered, "b27" is meaningless... > One site which gives a list of extensions is; > > http://www.ace.net.nz/tech/TechFileFormat.html > > although it seems to not know about .dps Hardly surprising, since there isn't any central authority for assigning extensions. Keeping a registry up to date is a virtually impossible task. -K -- "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." - Philip K. Dick -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Aug 5 23:46:39 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19kAYp-0005dr-CH-0005et.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 23:46:39 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19kAYp-0005dr-CH; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 22:45:44 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19kAYp-0005dr-CH; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 22:45:43 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19kAYf-0000qT-6k; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 23:45:33 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h75MjUJ15114 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 23:45:30 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h75MjSA15107 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 23:45:29 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19kAYa-00033I-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 23:45:28 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 23:43:49 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Extracting draw file References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by svr1.spellings.net id h75MjTA15108 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >It was OK till I upgraded to an Iyonix and now the draw file in my >document doesn't show and if I try to 'save picture' I get an error >from OPro (might have gone wrong!) What's the real error message - you have to click again to find that out? >If anyone would care to attempt it, maybe if somone is using a RISC PC >they could save the file out using that, I would be eternally >grateful. It is an 81Kb file when squashed. I could do that for you (if no one has offered yet). There are various approaches you might try, programs that can extract Draw data from binary files, or perhaps saving the document as DDL and extracting the Draw data from that in a text editor. However my feeling is that the best solution is to find out what is going wrong on the Iyonix. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Aug 5 23:47:40 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19kAZr-0006uh-Az-0006w7.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 23:47:40 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19kAZr-0006uh-Az; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 22:46:48 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19kAZr-0006uh-Az; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 22:46:47 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19kAZI-0004A8-3o; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 23:46:12 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h75Mk8m15214 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 23:46:08 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h75Mk8v15207 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 23:46:08 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19kAZD-0003Ae-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 23:46:07 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 23:44:36 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] re Ovpro for windows References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >I have just transferred a RiscPC ovpro file to Ovpro windows. It comes ok >on the screen put only prints the first frame. To print the whole document >I have to group the frames. What am I doing wrong? No idea, it sounds like a bug. If it causes you no problems perhaps I could have a look at the document? -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Aug 6 01:01:17 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19kBj7-0006lO-4s-0006p4.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 01:01:17 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19kBj7-0006lO-4s; Wed, 06 Aug 2003 00:00:28 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19kBj7-0006lO-4s; Wed, 06 Aug 2003 00:00:25 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19kBih-0002ct-T1; Wed, 06 Aug 2003 00:59:59 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h75NxN126913 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 00:59:23 +0100 Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h75NxMB26909 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 00:59:22 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [62.188.144.129] (helo=argonet) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 19kBi0-0006bF-TQ for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 06 Aug 2003 00:59:17 +0100 Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 00:57:58 +0100 From: Richard Watkinson To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SparkFS again Message-ID: <882e741d4c.Richard@user.argonet.co.uk> References: <29d8aa184c.Brian@btinternet.com> In-Reply-To: <29d8aa184c.Brian@btinternet.com> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (MsgServe/2.02) (RISC-OS/4.36) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message <29d8aa184c.Brian@btinternet.com> Brian Howlett wrote: > Hi > > SparkFS (1.39) running on Select 3 (RISC OS 4.36) has started playing up > - every time I try to run it I get the following error: > > "%0 may have gone wrong. Click Continue to try to resume or Quit to stop > %0" giving a "Describe" button as well as the "Continue" and "Quit" > options. > > Clicking "Describe" gives the error "Internal error: abort on data > transfer at &023E7780". > > *addr &023E7780 > Address &23e7780 > Module area (read/write), at &2100000 offset &2e7780 (size &425000) > Heap block, at &23e0aa0 offset &6ce0 (size &dd10) > Module Win95FS, at &23e0aa4 offset &6cdc (size &dd0c) > > I've used Win95FS alongside SparkFS for ages without problems, in fact > it is loaded on start up. Any ideas? How do you get *addr &023E7780 to work? When I try it I get "file 'addr' not found." Richard -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Aug 6 13:44:08 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19kIK3-0007an-3v-0007dE.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 13:44:08 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19kIK3-0007an-3v; Wed, 06 Aug 2003 07:03:00 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19kIK3-0007an-3v; Wed, 06 Aug 2003 07:02:59 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19kIJl-0005IZ-2d; Wed, 06 Aug 2003 08:02:41 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h76720115834 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 08:02:00 +0100 Received: from carbon.btinternet.com (carbon.btinternet.com [194.73.73.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h7671xv15821 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 08:01:59 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from host81-129-32-92.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([81.129.32.92] helo=acornrpc) by carbon.btinternet.com with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #23) id 19kIJ4-0001RS-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 06 Aug 2003 08:01:59 +0100 Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 07:57:55 +0100 From: Brian Howlett To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SparkFS again Message-ID: References: <29d8aa184c.Brian@btinternet.com> <882e741d4c.Richard@user.argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <882e741d4c.Richard@user.argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: The Terry Wogan Home for the Bewildered User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (MsgServe/2.02) (RISC-OS/4.36) POPstar/2.05 X-Computer: Acorn RISC PC SA-110 X-Editor: Zap 1.45 (06 Nov 2002), ZapEmail 0.26 (03 Nov 2002) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 6 Aug, Richard Watkinson wrote: > In message <29d8aa184c.Brian@btinternet.com> > Brian Howlett wrote: [snip] >> >> *addr &023E7780 >> Address &23e7780 >> Module area (read/write), at &2100000 offset &2e7780 (size &425000) >> Heap block, at &23e0aa0 offset &6ce0 (size &dd10) >> Module Win95FS, at &23e0aa4 offset &6cdc (size &dd0c) >> [snip] > How do you get > > *addr &023E7780 > > to work? > > When I try it I get "file 'addr' not found." > You need to download the addr module and install it in your Library. Download from Justin Fletcher's site at -- Brian Howlett ------------------------------------------------------------- People who live in glass houses should undress in the dark... -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Aug 6 15:19:46 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19kP8f-0007N6-Dn-0007QV.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 15:19:46 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19kP8f-0007N6-Dn; Wed, 06 Aug 2003 14:19:43 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19kP8f-0007N6-Dn; Wed, 06 Aug 2003 14:19:41 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19kP88-0000wG-Gy; Wed, 06 Aug 2003 15:19:08 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h76EIbp09622 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 15:18:37 +0100 Received: from cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.173]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h76EIah09608 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 15:18:37 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from modem-2240.aardvark.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.134.8.192] helo=localhost) by cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19kP7b-00022N-Rr for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 06 Aug 2003 15:18:36 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mark Fraser To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 15:18:34 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Extracting draw file Message-ID: <4c1dc2f8d6mark@mfraz.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article , David Pilling wrote: > >It was OK till I upgraded to an Iyonix and now the draw file in my > >document doesn't show and if I try to 'save picture' I get an error from > >OPro (might have gone wrong!) > What's the real error message - you have to click again to find that out? Something similar happened to me recently. I'd tried to extract a graphic from a document created on the widows version, that the ROS version wouldn't show. Turned out to be a BMP picture and when I tried to save it out, Ovation crashed on me. -- What do you say to a beer, Normie? Hiya, sailor. New in town? ___________________________________________ |\ /| ark Fraser /mfraz2002@hotmail.com | \/ | Somerset /www.mfraz.freeserve.co.uk | |__________/Acorn SA RISC PC You know what the sig means! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Aug 7 13:30:41 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19khFP-00045S-4o-00049I.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 13:30:41 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19khFP-00045S-4o; Thu, 07 Aug 2003 09:39:53 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19khFP-00045S-4o; Thu, 07 Aug 2003 09:39:51 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19khF3-0007TG-3f; Thu, 07 Aug 2003 10:39:29 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h779cpi08714 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 10:38:51 +0100 Received: from cmailm4.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailm4.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.211]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h779cpX08710 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 10:38:51 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from modem-3819.snake.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.126.235] helo=riscpc) by cmailm4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.14) id 19khEQ-0007r5-5n for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 07 Aug 2003 10:38:50 +0100 Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 23:26:59 +0100 From: Alan Adams To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Unlinking frames Message-ID: <4b04e81c4c.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> References: <4c188e10e4barry@e-allen.co.uk> <4c18b5e762badger.sett@freeuk.com> In-Reply-To: <4c18b5e762badger.sett@freeuk.com> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (MsgServe/2.02) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message <4c18b5e762badger.sett@freeuk.com> you wrote: > In article <4c188e10e4barry@e-allen.co.uk>, > Barry E Allen wrote: > > I'm trying to unlink frames. > > I select the link tool, all the links show up. > > I click on the link I wish to delete, it becomes black. > > I press 'delete' and nothing happens. > > Am I doing something wrong? > > Same here. I'd never noticed it before because I rarely use linked > frames. I'm using a RISC PC with 'PC Delete' ticked in the keyboard > configuration window. Unticking this allows linked frames to be unlinked > using the delete key. I can't find another way of doing it. Any chance of > allowing the backspace key to do this as an alternative to delete David? > [RISCOS 4.02 and Ovation Pro v2.67] On a related topic, any chance of manually placed links being displayed in a different colour to links "inherited" from the master page. I often need to delete links, and almost always select the wrong one, resulting in "cannot delete links between master pages" (approximate text of error message) > > HTH > > Richard > -- Alan Adams alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Aug 7 18:37:09 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19kogz-0001EC-Bl-0001FL.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 18:37:09 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19kogz-0001EC-Bl; Thu, 07 Aug 2003 17:36:50 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19kogz-0001EC-Bl; Thu, 07 Aug 2003 17:36:49 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19kogV-0003vN-8s; Thu, 07 Aug 2003 18:36:19 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h77HZMi18956 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 18:35:22 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h77HZLs18952 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 18:35:21 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from aether.demon.co.uk ([158.152.186.18]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19kofY-000E9Z-0X for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 07 Aug 2003 18:35:20 +0100 Received: from medusa.therealm ([192.168.0.2] helo=aether.demon.co.uk) by aether.demon.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19kobL-000NKR-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 07 Aug 2003 18:30:59 +0100 Received: from matthew by aether.demon.co.uk with local (RemoteNB 1.54) for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; 07 Aug 2003 18:30:55 +0100 Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 18:30:52 +0100 From: Matthew Hambley To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS request Message-ID: References: <2526381a4c.matthew@aether.demon.co.uk> <7P3Y5bE3hBK$Ewip@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c1a4a17bcdfs@ukgateway.net> <+Nr55ACGCSK$Ewy9@pilling.demon.co.uk> <+sspBREYmSK$EwwZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c1ac54ddbjohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <24b3371b4c.philip@philipnet.com> <4c1b95cd61robh@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4c1b95cd61robh@argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: Beyond the Reality Barrier User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (RemoteNB/1.54) (RISC-OS/4.36) X-Editor: Zap 1.45 (06 Nov 2002), ZapEmail 0.26 (03 Nov 2002) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message <4c1b95cd61robh@argonet.co.uk> Rob Hemmings wrote: > In article , David Pilling > wrote: > > >You can also take another leaf out of Martin's book, use external > > >companies/services to took after as much as possible. You can send him > > >money for all sorts of things via PayPal and he uses another company > > > Fair comment, to an extent I'm living in the past, assuming you all > > want discs and printed manuals, and taking payment by cheque. I really > > should get my ecommerce facility going. > [snip] > I'm very prepared to pay for any enhancements to any of your RISC OS > products that I own (OPro, DPSS, Trace, SparkFS). Paypal seems like a > good route - I like the speed. Printed manuals are nice but certainly > not essential - to be honest I can't remember when I last opened the one > for OPro. NoChex may have a cheesy name but seems to work OK. It is also good for people who don't have or want a credit card but do have a debit card. -- (\/)atthew )-(ambley ---------------\ If something's worth doing it's worth E-mail : matthew@aether.demon.co.uk \ doing badly until you can learn to Public key : C991137B \ do it well. Web : http://www.aether.demon.co.uk/ \----------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Aug 7 19:29:35 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19kpV7-00076O-73-00078a.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 19:29:35 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19kpV7-00076O-73; Thu, 07 Aug 2003 18:28:38 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19kpV7-00076O-73; Thu, 07 Aug 2003 18:28:37 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19kpUc-0002js-NF; Thu, 07 Aug 2003 19:28:06 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h77IRKC30928 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 19:27:20 +0100 Received: from aquarius.realingenuity.net (aquarius.realingenuity.net [213.165.154.155]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h77IRJ730908 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 19:27:20 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from RTV (1Cust146.tnt14.lnd1.gbr.da.uu.net [62.188.4.146]) by aquarius.realingenuity.net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id h77IHBa26896 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 19:17:12 +0100 Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 22:00:10 +0100 From: Mik Towse To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OPro Windows Stysheet extension clash? Message-ID: <4C1DE7BD49%mik.towse@xemik.com> References: <2526381a4c.matthew@aether.demon.co.uk> <7P3Y5bE3hBK$Ewip@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c1a4a17bcdfs@ukgateway.net> <+Nr55ACGCSK$Ewy9@pilling.demon.co.uk> <+sspBREYmSK$EwwZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4C1B5943BA%mik.towse@xemik.com> <4c1bb47c0ewilliamlack@clara.net> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.61 POPstar/2.05 X-Editor: Zap 1.45, using ZapEmail 0.26 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article David Pilling wrote: > > Ketil Kristiansen wrote: > On Sat, 2 Aug 2003, David Pilling wrote: > > > are possible. How about using the ROS filetype (B27) as the extn? FWIW > > > it's not listed on my XP laptop. > > Having the RISC OS numeric types (as well) is definitely on the cards, > > offering some compatibility with file transfer software. [snip] > Also, for those of us who like extensions to be abbreviations or mnemonics > that can actually be remembered, "b27" is meaningless... [snip] But for most users, once an extn has been registered by an app', Windows hides the extension, so they'd not see it. ROS users don't expect an extension anyway, so they shouldn't care either. ;-) -- Food is an important part of a balanced diet. Fran Lebowitz __ __ _ _ _____ | \/ (_) | __ |_ _|____ __ _____ ___ | |\/| | | |/ / | |/ _ \ V V (_- for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 21:50:48 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19kri4-00040q-8c; Thu, 07 Aug 2003 20:50:09 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19kri4-00040q-8c; Thu, 07 Aug 2003 20:50:08 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19krhh-000100-1W; Thu, 07 Aug 2003 21:49:45 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h77Kmkj06318 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 21:48:46 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h77KmjU06313 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 21:48:45 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19krgi-000B57-0Y for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 07 Aug 2003 21:48:45 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 21:47:19 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OPro Windows Stysheet extension clash? References: <2526381a4c.matthew@aether.demon.co.uk> <7P3Y5bE3hBK$Ewip@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c1a4a17bcdfs@ukgateway.net> <+Nr55ACGCSK$Ewy9@pilling.demon.co.uk> <+sspBREYmSK$EwwZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4C1B5943BA%mik.towse@xemik.com> <4c1bb47c0ewilliamlack@clara.net> <4C1DE7BD49%mik.towse@xemik.com> In-Reply-To: <4C1DE7BD49%mik.towse@xemik.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >But for most users, once an extn has been registered by an app', Windows >hides the extension, so they'd not see it. ROS users don't expect an >extension anyway, so they shouldn't care either. ;-) That is a good point. Although in my experience much file transfer between Windows and RISC OS ends with setting the type. And I can never remember the filetype name on RISC OS for OP docs. One thing I would write for RISC OS (if I was doing anything else, which I'm not etc. etc.) is an extension to convert the usual set type menu (a single writable) into a menu showing all the defined types. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Aug 7 22:21:01 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19ksB2-0006iR-Ck-0006jp.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 22:21:01 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19ksB2-0006iR-Ck; Thu, 07 Aug 2003 21:20:05 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19ksB2-0006iR-Ck; Thu, 07 Aug 2003 21:20:04 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19ksAu-00050j-58; Thu, 07 Aug 2003 22:19:56 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h77LJmU15620 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 22:19:48 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h77LJmg15616 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 22:19:48 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 19ksAl-0004Ao-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 07 Aug 2003 22:19:48 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 22:18:41 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OPro Windows Stysheet extension clash? References: <2526381a4c.matthew@aether.demon.co.uk> <7P3Y5bE3hBK$Ewip@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c1a4a17bcdfs@ukgateway.net> <+Nr55ACGCSK$Ewy9@pilling.demon.co.uk> <+sspBREYmSK$EwwZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4C1B5943BA%mik.towse@xemik.com> <4c1bb47c0ewilliamlack@clara.net> <4C1DE7BD49%mik.towse@xemik.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >From: Grant Randall In article , David Pilling wrote: > Although in my experience much file transfer between Windows and RISC OS > ends with setting the type. And I can never remember the filetype name > on RISC OS for OP docs. That seems to be much improved in the latest versions of mimemap and iirc, DOS FS is to use mimemap soon if not already. > One thing I would write for RISC OS (if I was doing anything else, which > I'm not etc. etc.) is an extension to convert the usual set type menu (a > single writable) into a menu showing all the defined types. !Director already has this! -- Kind Regards, Grant Randall Yorkshire, GB http://homepage.ntlworld.com/grant.randall Randalls Home Page During shift periods, I may be slow to reply, please bear with me... -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Aug 8 00:18:28 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19ku1J-0005Gh-Dt-0005IY.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 00:18:28 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19ku1J-0005Gh-Dt; Thu, 07 Aug 2003 23:18:10 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19ku1J-0005Gh-Dt; Thu, 07 Aug 2003 23:18:09 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19ku16-0001kC-RC; Fri, 08 Aug 2003 00:17:56 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h77NH0s08899 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 00:17:00 +0100 Received: from smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net (smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net [212.135.6.12]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h77NGxs08896 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 00:16:59 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from tnt-12-102.easynet.co.uk ([212.134.20.102] helo=miranda.philipnet.com) by smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 19ku06-000FYf-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 08 Aug 2003 00:16:57 +0100 Received: from philipnet.com (gromit.philipnet.com [192.168.1.33]) by miranda.philipnet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B95272C000 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 00:16:49 +0100 (BST) Received: from philip by philipnet.com with local (RemoteNB 1.54) for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; 08 Aug 2003 00:16:48 +0100 Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 00:16:47 +0100 From: Philip Ludlam To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OPro Windows Stysheet extension clash? Message-ID: <3115781e4c.philip@philipnet.com> References: <2526381a4c.matthew@aether.demon.co.uk> <7P3Y5bE3hBK$Ewip@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c1a4a17bcdfs@ukgateway.net> <+Nr55ACGCSK$Ewy9@pilling.demon.co.uk> <+sspBREYmSK$EwwZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4C1B5943BA%mik.towse@xemik.com> <4c1bb47c0ewilliamlack@clara.net> <4C1DE7BD49%mik.towse@xemik.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (RemoteNB/1.54) (RISC-OS/4.33) X-Sender: Philip Ludlam X-Sender-URL: http://www.philipnet.com/ X-Editor: StrongED 4.66 (stable) X-Editor-URL: http://www.stronged.iconbar.com/ X-Desktop-Utility: Director X-Desktop-Utility-URL: http://director.sourceforge.net/ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 7 Aug, in message David Pilling wrote: >>But for most users, once an extn has been registered by an app', Windows >>hides the extension, so they'd not see it. ROS users don't expect an >>extension anyway, so they shouldn't care either. ;-) > >That is a good point. > >Although in my experience much file transfer between Windows and RISC OS >ends with setting the type. And I can never remember the filetype name >on RISC OS for OP docs. > >One thing I would write for RISC OS (if I was doing anything else, which >I'm not etc. etc.) is an extension to convert the usual set type menu (a >single writable) into a menu showing all the defined types. It's called Director! http://director.sourceforge.net Menu click over a file in a directory, menu click over "File '...'" and go to the Set type menu option Or Open a directory menu (adjust click on a filing system iconbar icon or menu click over a window title which has a file path in it, through the menus browse to tbe file, press Menu over it, and go to the set type option. Note: Under RISC OS you're limited to 8 menus/submenus on a screen at anyone time. Yours, Phil L. -- http://www.philipnet.com http://director.sourceforge.net i ou a uea i e a o ie e a o a a oue oae -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Aug 8 13:43:39 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19l1wT-0003d4-Aj-0003f9.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 13:43:39 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19l1wT-0003d4-Aj; Fri, 08 Aug 2003 07:45:42 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19l1wT-0003d4-Aj; Fri, 08 Aug 2003 07:45:41 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19l1wA-0002Sd-Mx; Fri, 08 Aug 2003 08:45:22 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h787iuG11636 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 08:44:56 +0100 Received: from moomin.torch.net (moomin.inbusiness.net [212.50.161.83]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h787its11633 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 08:44:56 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: (qmail 99993 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2003 07:20:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO SONYLAPTOP) ([213.249.153.129]) (envelope-sender ) by -v (qmail-1.03) with SMTP for ; 8 Aug 2003 07:20:01 -0000 From: "Ian" To: Subject: RE: [softwarelist] Just a quick plea for help Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 08:44:42 +0100 Message-ID: <000801c35d80$ee3873e0$0110100a@SONYLAPTOP> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <3115781e4c.philip@philipnet.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Just a quick plea for help, does anyone know of anywhere in the Midlands (Coventry / Birmingham) that sells or repairs Acorn Risc PCs, I have just come into the office this morning and switched on my Acorn and it is either producing garbage on screen or green screening. If I could get a second hand RISC PC I would now!! Ian _ _ _ _ |_|_|_|_| Post: Concorde House, Trinity Park, Solihull B37 7UQ |_|_|_|_| Phone: 0121 635 5020 |_|_|_|_| Email: ian@realpoint.co.uk |_|_|_|_| Web: http://www.realpoint.co.uk Real Point -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Aug 8 17:22:23 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19lA0B-00076C-Ef-000797.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 17:22:23 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19lA0B-00076C-Ef; Fri, 08 Aug 2003 16:22:05 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19lA0B-00076C-Ef; Fri, 08 Aug 2003 16:22:03 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19l9zz-00023d-Np; Fri, 08 Aug 2003 17:21:51 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h78GKHB04471 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 17:20:17 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h78GKH204466 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 17:20:17 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 19l9yS-0002oM-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 08 Aug 2003 17:20:16 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 17:18:50 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Just a quick plea for help References: <3115781e4c.philip@philipnet.com> <000801c35d80$ee3873e0$0110100a@SONYLAPTOP> In-Reply-To: <000801c35d80$ee3873e0$0110100a@SONYLAPTOP> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >If I could get a second hand RISC PC I would now!! I would imagine almost cheaper than getting one fixed see e.g. Liquid Silicon. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Aug 8 19:58:41 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19lCR7-0007dx-9o-0007gC.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 19:58:41 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19lCR7-0007dx-9o; Fri, 08 Aug 2003 18:58:02 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19lCR7-0007dx-9o; Fri, 08 Aug 2003 18:58:01 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19lCQp-000490-Lz; Fri, 08 Aug 2003 19:57:43 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h78Itoj10810 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 19:55:50 +0100 Received: from spartha.spa.umn.edu (spartha.spa.umn.edu [128.101.220.23]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h78ItmZ10802 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 19:55:49 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from crail.spa.umn.edu (crail.spa.umn.edu [128.101.220.148]) by spartha.spa.umn.edu (8.11.6p2/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h78Itgu468887 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 13:55:42 -0500 (CDT) Received: by crail.spa.umn.edu (8.9.3/1.1.29.3/30Aug01-0531PM) id NAA0000454123; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 13:55:42 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 13:55:42 -0500 From: Graham Allan To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OPro Windows Stysheet extension clash? Message-ID: <20030808185541.GK410010@crail.spa.umn.edu> References: <+Nr55ACGCSK$Ewy9@pilling.demon.co.uk> <+sspBREYmSK$EwwZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4C1B5943BA%mik.towse@xemik.com> <4c1bb47c0ewilliamlack@clara.net> <4C1DE7BD49%mik.towse@xemik.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 09:47:19PM +0100, David Pilling wrote: > > One thing I would write for RISC OS (if I was doing anything else, which > I'm not etc. etc.) is an extension to convert the usual set type menu (a > single writable) into a menu showing all the defined types. You know, I'm sure I remember something like this existing - some kind of filer extension or replacement, from way back in the RO 3.1 days (or maybe even earlier). G. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Graham Allan School of Physics and Astronomy - University of Minnesota ------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Aug 8 22:34:58 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19lEsd-0002C2-B9-0002DP.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 22:34:58 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19lEsd-0002C2-B9; Fri, 08 Aug 2003 21:34:36 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19lEsd-0002C2-B9; Fri, 08 Aug 2003 21:34:35 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19lEsK-0002RO-Uq; Fri, 08 Aug 2003 22:34:16 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h78LVPu13443 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 22:31:25 +0100 Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h78LVPJ13440 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 22:31:25 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [62.188.145.6] (helo=62.188.145.6) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 19lEpW-0003xs-Ab for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 08 Aug 2003 22:31:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(William Jackson) To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 22:30:46 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.34 for RISC OS 4.33 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS request Message-Id: 2452860.2230464williamj@argonet.co.uk In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On Sat 2 Aug 2003 (14:50:59 +0100), opro@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote: > >I'm very prepared to pay for any enhancements to any of your RISC OS > >products that I own (OPro, DPSS, Trace, SparkFS). > > Thank you. Money isn't the problem. > > The problem is the expectation, the experience in fact, that effort > expended on RISC OS is cast to the wind. Stan Boland taking his 500 > million quid to close down Acorn, didn't say "oh a lot of people have > spent 10 years writing software which will now be wasted, I'd better > think again". > > Nor for that matter did the tens of thousands of RISC OS users who > through the 1990's turned down Strong ARM running RISC OS for 486's > running Windows 3.1. > > If you write software for a platform which has some life in it, there > is the chance to do something good. > > To an extent this is a strange time to have this discussion. In Titanic > terms the Acorn market is not at the point where the iceberg appears, > nor at the point where the ship hits it. We're now at the point where > Kate Winslet has bobbed off over the horizon clutching driftwood. I'm > going to tweek my moustache in an evil looking way and squeeze into a > lifeboat between the widows and orphans, the rest of you are presumably > hanging around to see what happens to the band. When can we expect a deep sea submersible to be sent to look for the wreckage? > > Meanwhile, I'd like to apologise for yesterdays news posting. I hate it > when people send me email in HTML format, and that's just what I did. > All went wrong because I used Outlook, something I usually avoid at all > costs. He who sups with the devil etc. > > -- As far as possible, without surrender, be on good terms with all persons __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ williamj@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Aug 9 01:53:50 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19lGCJ-0001Fi-Fd-0001Gu.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 9 Aug 2003 01:53:50 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19lGCJ-0001Fi-Fd; Fri, 08 Aug 2003 22:59:00 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19lGCJ-0001Fi-Fd; Fri, 08 Aug 2003 22:58:59 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19lGBN-0001XA-1G; Fri, 08 Aug 2003 23:58:01 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h78Muwh30537 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 23:56:58 +0100 Received: from tristone.co.uk (81-86-136-52.dsl.pipex.com [81.86.136.52]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h78Muuj30531 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 23:56:57 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: by tristone.co.uk (Postfix, from userid 500) id CD4811669A; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 23:56:21 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 23:56:21 +0100 From: David Thomas To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OPro Windows Stysheet extension clash? Message-ID: <20030808225621.GA1553@davespace> References: <+sspBREYmSK$EwwZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4C1B5943BA%mik.towse@xemik.com> <4c1bb47c0ewilliamlack@clara.net> <4C1DE7BD49%mik.towse@xemik.com> <20030808185541.GK410010@crail.spa.umn.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030808185541.GK410010@crail.spa.umn.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On Fri, Aug 08, 2003 at 01:55:42PM -0500, Graham Allan wrote: > On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 09:47:19PM +0100, David Pilling wrote: > > > > One thing I would write for RISC OS (if I was doing anything else, which > > I'm not etc. etc.) is an extension to convert the usual set type menu (a > > single writable) into a menu showing all the defined types. > > You know, I'm sure I remember something like this existing - some kind > of filer extension or replacement, from way back in the RO 3.1 days (or > maybe even earlier). You're probably thinking of Jens Ovesen's FilerPatch. Cheers, Dave -- David Thomas -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Aug 9 12:42:40 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19lQrB-0006mz-Cd-0006oq.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 9 Aug 2003 12:42:40 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19lQrB-0006mz-Cd; Sat, 09 Aug 2003 10:21:55 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19lQrB-0006mz-Cd; Sat, 09 Aug 2003 10:21:53 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19lQqi-0001OC-AH; Sat, 09 Aug 2003 11:21:24 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h79AIhZ22651 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 9 Aug 2003 11:18:43 +0100 Received: from fmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk (fmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.183]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h79AIg022647 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 2003 11:18:42 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [195.92.193.19] (helo=cmailm3.svr.pol.co.uk) by fmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19lQDg-0000pS-CU for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 09 Aug 2003 10:41:04 +0100 Received: from user-191.bbd22tcl.dsl.pol.co.uk ([81.77.232.191] helo=[10.0.12.24]) by cmailm3.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19lQD2-0002I9-Pm for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 09 Aug 2003 10:40:24 +0100 Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 10:40:28 +0100 From: David Williams To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] Line feeds Message-ID: Mail-Followup-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Gemini/1.15d (Windows-XP) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Hi I'm probably missing something simple here but my problem concerns importing text into the PC version of OvPro. It seems that on every import, OvPro doubles the number of line feeds. ie. if I export a piece of text and save it then import it, the number of lines on screen has doubled - a bit like double line spacing? How can I stop this? Dave Williams -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Aug 9 12:49:38 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19lSDh-0003um-63-0003vh.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 9 Aug 2003 12:49:38 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19lSDh-0003um-63; Sat, 09 Aug 2003 11:49:14 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19lSDh-0003um-63; Sat, 09 Aug 2003 11:49:13 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19lSDM-0000q5-M5; Sat, 09 Aug 2003 12:48:52 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h79Bm0F07738 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 9 Aug 2003 12:48:00 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h79BlxI07729 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 2003 12:47:59 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 19lSCV-0001lC-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 09 Aug 2003 12:47:59 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 12:46:36 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Line feeds References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >I'm probably missing something simple here but my problem concerns importing >text into the PC version of OvPro. >It seems that on every import, OvPro doubles the number of line feeds. >ie. if I export a piece of text and save it then import it, the number of >lines on screen has doubled - a bit like double line spacing? Get the next version... I have sorted this out recently, it was working the way the RISC OS version does. RISC OS files use LF as the end of line marker, Windows uses CRLF. Two points; I don't know if the version on the web site at the moment has the fix in. As in the RISC OS version if you hold down control whilst dropping the text file into OP single end of lines are taken out, so that may be a solution. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Aug 9 13:42:04 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19lT2L-0000j2-8m-0000kK.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 9 Aug 2003 13:42:04 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19lT2L-0000j2-8m; Sat, 09 Aug 2003 12:41:35 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19lT2L-0000j2-8m; Sat, 09 Aug 2003 12:41:33 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19lT28-0006Tg-Mu; Sat, 09 Aug 2003 13:41:20 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h79Ceui17562 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 9 Aug 2003 13:40:56 +0100 Received: from cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.173]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h79CetE17558 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 2003 13:40:55 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from user-191.bbd22tcl.dsl.pol.co.uk ([81.77.232.191] helo=[10.0.12.24]) by cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19lT1j-0005Kp-2E for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 09 Aug 2003 13:40:55 +0100 Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 13:40:58 +0100 From: David Williams To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Line feeds Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Mail-Followup-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Gemini/1.15d (Windows-XP) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist David Pilling wrote: > > I'm probably missing something simple here but my problem concerns > > importing text into the PC version of OvPro. It seems that on every > > import, OvPro doubles the number of line feeds. ie. if I export a piece > > of text and save it then import it, the number of lines on screen has > > doubled - a bit like double line spacing? > > Get the next version... I have sorted this out recently, it was working > the way the RISC OS version does. RISC OS files use LF as the end of > line marker, Windows uses CRLF. This is with the latest version. > Two points; > > I don't know if the version on the web site at the moment has the fix > in. > I don't think it has. > As in the RISC OS version if you hold down control whilst dropping the > text file into OP single end of lines are taken out, so that may be a > solution. > I tried this and it solves the problem for non blank lines but empty lines are still doubled. Thanks for your help. Dave Williams -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Aug 12 21:52:20 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19lbea-0004oQ-EV-0004pr.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 21:52:20 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19lbea-0004oQ-EV; Sat, 09 Aug 2003 21:53:37 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19lbea-0004oQ-EV; Sat, 09 Aug 2003 21:53:36 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19lbeB-00027K-DW; Sat, 09 Aug 2003 22:53:11 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h79LqLQ13334 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 9 Aug 2003 22:52:21 +0100 Received: from black-watch.firstnet.net.uk (vulcan.firstnet.net.uk [212.103.224.244]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with SMTP id h79LqKc13330 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 2003 22:52:20 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: (qmail 5369 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2003 21:52:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO SONYLAPTOP) (62.105.89.190) by black-watch.first with SMTP; 9 Aug 2003 21:52:49 -0000 From: "Ian ODonnell" To: Subject: RE: [softwarelist] Just a quick plea for help Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 22:52:02 +0100 Message-ID: <001601c35ec0$77d845e0$0200a8c0@SONYLAPTOP> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <000801c35d80$ee3873e0$0110100a@SONYLAPTOP> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Hi, Thanks for all the offers of help that I had, the community was great. I was able to get a new Motherboard from Micro bits in Coventry who were very helpful. 1 working RISC PC again! Thanks again Ian _ _ _ _ |_|_|_|_| Post: Concorde House, Trinity Park, Solihull B37 7UQ |_|_|_|_| Phone: 0121 635 5020 |_|_|_|_| Email: ian@realpoint.co.uk |_|_|_|_| Web: http://www.realpoint.co.uk Real Point -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Aug 12 21:52:21 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19lcF1-0007Dw-BU-0007FT.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 21:52:21 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19lcF1-0007Dw-BU; Sat, 09 Aug 2003 22:31:17 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19lcF1-0007Dw-BU; Sat, 09 Aug 2003 22:31:15 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19lcED-0006MI-MN; Sat, 09 Aug 2003 23:30:25 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h79MULL18997 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 9 Aug 2003 23:30:21 +0100 Received: from aquarius.realingenuity.net (aquarius.realingenuity.net [213.165.154.155]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h79MUKP18993 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 2003 23:30:20 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from RTV (1Cust211.tnt15.lnd1.gbr.da.uu.net [62.188.6.211]) by aquarius.realingenuity.net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id h79MK7a08241 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 2003 23:20:07 +0100 Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2003 20:55:52 +0100 From: Mik Towse To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Line feeds Message-ID: <4C1F6D5C6F%mik.towse@xemik.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.61 POPstar/2.05 X-Editor: Zap 1.45, using ZapEmail 0.26 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article David Williams wrote: > I'm probably missing something simple here but my problem concerns > importing text into the PC version of OvPro. > > It seems that on every import, OvPro doubles the number of line feeds. ie. > if I export a piece of text and save it then import it, the number of lines > on screen has doubled - a bit like double line spacing? > > How can I stop this? It's a nuisance, but for a quick(?) fix you could try the applet JoinLine (Ctrl-J). -- There is very little future in being right when your boss is wrong. __ __ _ _ _____ | \/ (_) | __ |_ _|____ __ _____ ___ | |\/| | | |/ / | |/ _ \ V V (_- for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 21:52:35 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19lnbt-0000zY-7j; Sun, 10 Aug 2003 10:39:39 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19lnbt-0000zY-7j; Sun, 10 Aug 2003 10:39:37 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19lnbF-0004CK-HA; Sun, 10 Aug 2003 11:38:57 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h7AAc4j00853 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 10 Aug 2003 11:38:04 +0100 Received: from cmailm2.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailm2.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.210]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h7AAc3M00849 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2003 11:38:03 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from user-781.wfd11.dsl.pol.co.uk ([81.79.19.13] helo=[10.0.12.24]) by cmailm2.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19lnaM-0003Em-V0 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 10 Aug 2003 11:38:03 +0100 Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 11:38:06 +0100 From: David Williams To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Line feeds Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4C1F6D5C6F%mik.towse@xemik.com> References: <4C1F6D5C6F%mik.towse@xemik.com> Mail-Followup-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Gemini/1.15d (Windows-XP) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Mik Towse wrote: > In article > David Williams wrote: > > I'm probably missing something simple here but my problem concerns > > importing text into the PC version of OvPro. > > > > It seems that on every import, OvPro doubles the number of line feeds. > > ie. if I export a piece of text and save it then import it, the number > > of lines on screen has doubled - a bit like double line spacing? > > > > How can I stop this? > It's a nuisance, but for a quick(?) fix you could try the applet JoinLine > (Ctrl-J). > Thanks Mik, yes this provides a fix for my problem. Hopefully this wont be needed in the next version (Hint). I've got another problem. On RO I was able to add a form feed character hex0c to a text file and when I imported the text it would create new pages in the appropriate position. Is this possible on windows? I notice that the 'enter' key does not send a formfeed on the PC version unlike the RO version. Dave -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Aug 12 21:52:57 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19m6FH-0004OU-6s-0004Qk.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 21:52:57 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19m6FH-0004OU-6s; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 06:33:32 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19m6FH-0004OU-6s; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 06:33:31 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19m6F5-0004T3-V8; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 07:33:19 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h7B6Vxk17051 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 07:31:59 +0100 Received: from avs3.chariot.net.au (avs3.chariot.net.au [203.87.94.3]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h7B6Vvi17042 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 07:31:58 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by avs3.chariot.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72A682C094 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 16:02:00 +0930 (CST) Received: from avs3.chariot.net.au ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (avs3.chariot.net.au [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 09643-01-77 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 16:02:00 +0930 (CST) Received: from mail.chariot.net.au (mail.chariot.net.au [203.87.95.38]) by avs3.chariot.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A2882C039 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 16:02:00 +0930 (CST) Received: from localhost (ppp-249.cust203-87-114.ghr.chariot.net.au [203.87.114.249]) by mail.chariot.net.au (Postfix) with SMTP id 389EF109EE3 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 16:01:52 +0930 (CST) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 17:28:52 +1030 From: Peter Prewett To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro Message-ID: <610faa1f4c.pprewett@chariot.net.au> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (MsgServe/2.02) (RISC-OS/4.33) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at chariot.net.au Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist I have Ovation Pro version 2.70 running on a SA RO 4.33 and having problems over the last few weeks in it crashing with type 5 errors when trying to do a spell check or adding a frame into an existing document plus an internal error. I have just loaded OP and after doing an OCR using Sleuth3 and dropping the text directly into OP it crashed with a type 5 error tried again to see if I could repeat and it was OK. I have had type 3 problems before as well as printing difficulties as posted a few weeks back. As I have had the upgrades to OP over the internet and no one else has complained I am wondering if I have had a bad down load and should start again, I have not had problems before this version. Any suggestions. Cheers Peter -- Peter Prewett, Coromandel Valley, South Australia -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Aug 12 21:53:07 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19mBSn-00058t-FL-0005B9.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 21:53:07 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19mBSn-00058t-FL; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 12:07:51 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19mBSn-00058t-FL; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 12:07:49 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19mBSV-0001S1-P6; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 13:07:31 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h7BC5of20190 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 13:05:50 +0100 Received: from pengo.systems.pipex.net (pengo.systems.pipex.net [62.241.160.193]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h7BC5nw20184 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 13:05:49 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from 62.125.134.208 (1Cust208.tnt2.cbg1.gbr.da.UU.NET [62.125.134.208]) by pengo.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 536904C004CD for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 13:05:46 +0100 (BST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Alan P Dawes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 13:04:47 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro Message-ID: <4c2049e744alan.dawes@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <610faa1f4c.pprewett@chariot.net.au> References: <610faa1f4c.pprewett@chariot.net.au> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 10 Aug, Peter Prewett wrote: > I have Ovation Pro version 2.70 running on a SA RO 4.33 and having > problems over the last few weeks in it crashing with type 5 errors when > trying to do a spell check or adding a frame into an existing document > plus an internal error. > I have just loaded OP and after doing an OCR using Sleuth3 and dropping > the text directly into OP it crashed with a type 5 error tried again to > see if I could repeat and it was OK. > I have had type 3 problems before as well as printing difficulties as > posted a few weeks back. > As I have had the upgrades to OP over the internet and no one else has > complained I am wondering if I have had a bad down load and should start > again, I have not had problems before this version. When did you last 'spring clean' your RiscPC? Before I had a new motherboard and single 128MB SIMM in mine, I found that I increasingly got these sort of errors until I got round to the annual clean out. Carefully hoover all the dust, hairs etc from the inside and then remove SIMMs, VRAM, expansion cards, processor card, etc. Clean the contacts and, if you have some, smear with contact enhancer, then replace. Do the same with all connectors. This will clean the contacts of minute amounts of corrosion and reduce the resulting stray capacitance that can cause the odd timing problems which corrupts data as it gets passed around the computer. After doing this I found that the problems with type 5 etc errors would disappear until it was time to clean again. You do the above at your own risk, take care to earth yourself to avoid damage to chips by electrostatic discharge. Make a note of where everything goes and particularly the orientation of all connecting leads. Alan -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- ---------------------------- |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | alan.dawes@argonet.co.uk | | |\ | | | | |\| | | | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | Using an Acorn RiscPC -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Aug 12 21:53:10 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19mEVN-0004dC-4o-0004gU.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 21:53:10 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19mEVN-0004dC-4o; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 15:22:43 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19mEVN-0004dC-4o; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 15:22:41 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19mEV5-0002s7-Dk; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 16:22:23 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h7BFKSX09664 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 16:20:28 +0100 Received: from cmailm2.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailm2.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.210]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h7BFKSU09643 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 16:20:28 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from modem-1095.zebra.dialup.pol.co.uk ([81.76.148.71] helo=riscpc) by cmailm2.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.14) id 19mETC-0006rl-Ps for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 16:20:27 +0100 Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 11:48:05 +0100 From: Alan Adams Message-ID: <7de142204c.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (MsgServe/2.02) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] Colour tables? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist I'm using bulk refill inks on an inkjet printer, and the inks are slightly different in strength/colour from the manufacturers ink. As a result, I have to use picture>process to reduce the magenta ink considerably to get an acceptable colour balance. Printing from Photodesk I can change the colour correction tables to compensate. Is there a way to do this in OPro? (Alternatively does anyone know whether one of the Cerilica products will do this? I recollect seeing one which had something to do with this, but I don't have details.) Alan -- Alan Adams alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Aug 12 21:53:20 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19mLgB-0003wc-6P-0003yN.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 21:53:20 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19mLgB-0003wc-6P; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 23:02:21 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19mLgB-0003wc-6P; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 23:02:19 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19mLei-0008Cl-Ln; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 00:00:48 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h7BMxaY32472 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 23:59:36 +0100 Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h7BMxZH32464 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 23:59:35 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [62.188.122.38] (helo=hal) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 19mLdU-0007Gm-J2 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 23:59:32 +0100 Message-ID: <00bb01c3605d$0afbb940$267abc3e@hal> From: "Christopher Bryant" To: References: <2526381a4c.matthew@aether.demon.co.uk> <7P3Y5bE3hBK$Ewip@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c1a4a17bcdfs@ukgateway.net> <+Nr55ACGCSK$Ewy9@pilling.demon.co.uk> <+sspBREYmSK$EwwZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c1ac54ddbjohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <24b3371b4c.philip@philipnet.com> Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Paypal Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 23:55:36 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist > You can also take another leaf out of Martin's book, use external > companies/services to took after as much as possible. You can send him > money for all sorts of things via PayPal I believe 'Which?' says it isn't to be trusted. CJB -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Aug 12 21:53:35 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19mZa6-000140-F7-00017E.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 21:53:35 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19mZa6-000140-F7; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 13:53:00 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19mZa6-000140-F7; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 13:52:58 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19mZZv-0002AL-4Q; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 14:52:47 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h7CDpoE11714 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 14:51:50 +0100 Received: from cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.174]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h7CDpoi11711 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 14:51:50 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from user-987.wfd10.dsl.pol.co.uk ([81.79.3.219] helo=[10.0.12.24]) by cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19mZYz-0001AZ-QQ for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 14:51:49 +0100 Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 14:50:20 +0100 From: David Williams To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] New page? Message-ID: Mail-Followup-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Gemini/1.15d (Windows-XP) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Hi I've already asked this in a previous thread and didn't get a response. I'm asking again because it's causing me real problems. Background: I have a system (used for the last 8+ years) which helps teaching staff create reports on students. Staff enter pupil details on Datapower ie. grades, comments etc. I then export as a csv file to a set of spreadsheets which manipulate the data and then export again as a text file. I use a Basic program to turn the text file into an Ovation friendly text file which drops into a report template and generates a document with 250 reports incuding ticks in boxes, grades, comments etc. This only works because at the end of each single report I can add a new page character (Form Feed hex 0C) and get 250 individual reports. I am developing a new PC based system using Python instead of Basic and I cannot force each report onto a new page because hex 0C does not have the same effect on OvPro (PC). Has anyone get any ideas? Could I make each report a chapter but if so how do I force new chapters in my text file. TIA Dave Williams -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Aug 12 21:53:45 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19mcBO-0007em-7F-0007gg.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 21:53:45 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19mcBO-0007em-7F; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 16:39:39 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19mcBO-0007em-7F; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 16:39:38 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19mcAx-0006Wn-RH; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 17:39:11 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h7CGcbM12907 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 17:38:37 +0100 Received: from smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net (smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net [212.135.6.12]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h7CGcaV12889 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 17:38:36 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from tnt-13-204.easynet.co.uk ([212.134.22.204] helo=miranda.philipnet.com) by smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 19mcAL-0002bp-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 17:38:35 +0100 Received: from philipnet.com (gromit.philipnet.com [192.168.1.33]) by miranda.philipnet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6D022BEB4 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 16:48:53 +0100 (BST) Received: from philip by philipnet.com with local (RemoteNB 1.54) for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; 12 Aug 2003 16:48:41 +0100 Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 16:48:39 +0100 From: Philip Ludlam To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Paypal Message-ID: <0f3ce2204c.philip@philipnet.com> References: <2526381a4c.matthew@aether.demon.co.uk> <7P3Y5bE3hBK$Ewip@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c1a4a17bcdfs@ukgateway.net> <+Nr55ACGCSK$Ewy9@pilling.demon.co.uk> <+sspBREYmSK$EwwZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c1ac54ddbjohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <24b3371b4c.philip@philipnet.com> <00bb01c3605d$0afbb940$267abc3e@hal> In-Reply-To: <00bb01c3605d$0afbb940$267abc3e@hal> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (RemoteNB/1.54) (RISC-OS/4.33) X-Sender: Philip Ludlam X-Sender-URL: http://www.philipnet.com/ X-Editor: StrongED 4.66 (stable) X-Editor-URL: http://www.stronged.iconbar.com/ X-Desktop-Utility: Director X-Desktop-Utility-URL: http://director.sourceforge.net/ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 11 Aug, in message <00bb01c3605d$0afbb940$267abc3e@hal> "Christopher Bryant" wrote: >> You can also take another leaf out of Martin's book, use external >> companies/services to took after as much as possible. You can send him >> money for all sorts of things via PayPal > > I believe 'Which?' says it isn't to be trusted. > CJB Care to elaborate on that? (aside from the fact that I've read/seen reports of some people having problems with PayPal). Yours, Phil L. -- http://www.philipnet.com http://director.sourceforge.net i ou a uea i e a o ie e a o a a oue oae -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Aug 12 21:53:47 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19mcg7-000612-AR-00062r.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 21:53:47 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19mcg7-000612-AR; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 17:11:24 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19mcg7-000612-AR; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 17:11:23 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19mcfw-0006xr-4E; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 18:11:12 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h7CHB6X23405 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 18:11:06 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h7CHB5h23399 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 18:11:05 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from worthy.demon.co.uk ([62.49.21.99] helo=worthy) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 19mcfo-0004kq-4c for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 18:11:04 +0100 Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 18:10:58 +0100 From: Tim Howarth To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] New page? Message-ID: <79c5e9204c.tim@worthy.demon.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (MsgServe/2.02) (RISC-OS/4.29) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message David Williams wrote: > I use a Basic program to turn the text file into an Ovation friendly text > file which drops into a report template and generates a document with 250 > reports incuding ticks in boxes, grades, comments etc. Interesting, I've been doing something similar for ages with Impression and asked on uk.education.schools-it if there was a reasonably priced Windows DTP system which can do this. So far the answer is no, MS Publisher/Serif too Mickey Mouse, Adobe In Design/Quark Express too dear / complicated - strangely Ovation Pro does do what I want... > This only works because at the end of each single report I can add a new > page character (Form Feed hex 0C) and get 250 individual reports. Put Impression {nextframe} markers in instead, save text as a .ddf file and import as before. However, I hadn't realised that 0C worked in such a way - strangely, I just tried a text file 0Cs in and it worked fine on Windows version. > I am developing a new PC based system using Python What a sensible person, Python - best thing since sliced bread. -- ___ |im ---- ARM Powered ---- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Aug 12 21:53:49 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19mdcz-0005lg-Ca-0005nJ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 21:53:49 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19mdcz-0005lg-Ca; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 18:12:15 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19mdcz-0005lg-Ca; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 18:12:13 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19mdcm-0008LV-2b; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 19:12:00 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h7CIAPi08509 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 19:10:25 +0100 Received: from smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.8]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h7CIAMt08493 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 19:10:25 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from localhost ([82.35.16.67]) by smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Tue, 12 Aug 2003 19:10:22 +0100 Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 19:10:21 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Paypal Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Peter Gaunt To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <0f3ce2204c.philip@philipnet.com> Message-Id: <3D05EA6A-CCF0-11D7-B907-003065F08624@dawnsun.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Aug 2003 18:10:22.0302 (UTC) FILETIME=[FF048FE0:01C360FC] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On Tuesday, August 12, 2003, at 04:48 , Philip Ludlam wrote: > On 11 Aug, in message <00bb01c3605d$0afbb940$267abc3e@hal> > "Christopher Bryant" wrote: > >>> You can also take another leaf out of Martin's book, use external >>> companies/services to took after as much as possible. You can send him >>> money for all sorts of things via PayPal >> >> I believe 'Which?' says it isn't to be trusted. >> CJB > > Care to elaborate on that? > (aside from the fact that I've read/seen reports of some people having > problems with PayPal). I don't think it's PayPal itself which is the problem. I've used them quite a lot and never had any problems. Only used them for buying stuff though, never for selling stuff. The problems, I suspect, are with the PayPal scams which are going around (people receive emails purporting to be from PayPal asking them to log on an update their details including credit card numbers). Hardly PayPal's fault. -- Pete ==== -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Aug 12 23:17:53 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19mhSJ-0002u5-6t-0002vJ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 23:17:53 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19mhSJ-0002u5-6t; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 22:17:28 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19mhSJ-0002u5-6t; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 22:17:27 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19mhRz-0007UE-MD; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 23:17:07 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h7CMG9B14550 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 23:16:09 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h7CMG8214545 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 23:16:08 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 19mhQx-0006Q6-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 23:16:03 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 23:14:17 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Colour tables? References: <7de142204c.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <7de142204c.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >Printing from Photodesk I can change the colour correction tables to >compensate. Is there a way to do this in OPro? No. I always though having a global colour control in OP would be good, but I never got around to it. You can of course use colour processing on a picture by picture basis. Acorns printer drivers have gamma tables inside them, and once long ago there was an application that let you edit them. ISTR the author was kind enough to give me a copy, although I never got around to doing what I wanted to do with it. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Aug 12 23:18:53 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19mhSx-0005ji-Dt-0005kQ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 23:18:53 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19mhSx-0005ji-Dt; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 22:18:07 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19mhSx-0005ji-Dt; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 22:18:07 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19mhSs-00019r-Vd; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 23:18:02 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h7CMI1l14906 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 23:18:01 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h7CMI0d14903 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 23:18:00 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 19mhSl-0006kQ-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 23:17:55 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 23:16:26 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] New page? References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >I am developing a new PC based system using Python instead of Basic and I >cannot force each report onto a new page because hex 0C does not have the >same effect on OvPro (PC). Should do. The special use of the Enter key has gone in OPW, however the new page functionality is still there on the Return key (plus control or similar). -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Aug 12 23:20:54 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19mhV2-0002l2-4Z-0002mu.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 23:20:54 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19mhV2-0002l2-4Z; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 22:20:17 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19mhV2-0002l2-4Z; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 22:20:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19mhUq-0001JW-K6; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 23:20:04 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h7CMK1i15355 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 23:20:01 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h7CMK1A15352 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 23:20:01 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 19mhUi-0006yv-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 23:19:56 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 23:18:51 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro References: <610faa1f4c.pprewett@chariot.net.au> In-Reply-To: <610faa1f4c.pprewett@chariot.net.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >I have Ovation Pro version 2.70 running on a SA RO 4.33 and having >problems over the last few weeks in it crashing with type 5 errors when >trying to do a spell check or adding a frame into an existing document >plus an internal error. Hard to say. OP used to corrupt spell check dictionaries. I guess setting off from scratch would avoid many such legacy issues, but setting off from scratch involves enormous work - lose all your dictionaries, any existing template documents etc. etc. Just as likely is that there's some component on your machine which is either legitimately or not upsetting OP. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Aug 12 23:24:57 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19mhZV-0000Vb-4r-0000WR.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 23:24:57 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19mhZV-0000Vb-4r; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 22:24:54 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19mhZV-0000Vb-4r; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 22:24:53 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19mhZK-0001hg-Sb; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 23:24:42 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h7CMOcI16417 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 23:24:38 +0100 Received: from scrabble.freeuk.net (scrabble.freeuk.net [212.126.144.29]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h7CMObZ16412 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 23:24:38 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from du-003-0137.freeuk.com ([212.126.145.137] helo=helvellyn) by scrabble.freeuk.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19mhZF-000LU5-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 23:24:37 +0100 Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 23:12:52 +0100 From: Steve Fryatt To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Paypal Message-ID: <466905214c.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> References: <2526381a4c.matthew@aether.demon.co.uk> <7P3Y5bE3hBK$Ewip@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c1a4a17bcdfs@ukgateway.net> <+Nr55ACGCSK$Ewy9@pilling.demon.co.uk> <+sspBREYmSK$EwwZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c1ac54ddbjohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <24b3371b4c.philip@philipnet.com> <00bb01c3605d$0afbb940$267abc3e@hal> In-Reply-To: <00bb01c3605d$0afbb940$267abc3e@hal> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.70a (MsgServe/2.10) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 X-Editor: Zap 1.46 (03 Jun 2003) [TEST], ZapEmail 0.27 (21 Mar 2003) test-6 (32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 11 Aug, Christopher Bryant wrote in message <00bb01c3605d$0afbb940$267abc3e@hal>: > > You can also take another leaf out of Martin's book, use external > > companies/services to took after as much as possible. You can send him > > money for all sorts of things via PayPal > > I believe 'Which?' says it isn't to be trusted. Unless Which? has improved recently, I wouldn't look to them for IT advice... They probably mean that gullible people are taken in by the emails purporting to be from PayPal, asking them to send all their credit card details, PIN numbers, other personal info, etc, to the spammer responsible. Sending said details has the obvious result, but it's hardly PayPal's fault if people are stupid. I'm sure some other online shop will be 'targeted in a similar way soon. -- Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/ * Aug 12 1812 - The Duke of Wellington's troops entered Madrid in the Peninsular War -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Aug 13 00:39:33 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19mijQ-0000UQ-CB-0000WA.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 00:39:33 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19mijQ-0000UQ-CB; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 23:39:13 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19mijQ-0000UQ-CB; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 23:39:12 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19mijD-0007PS-L2; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 00:38:59 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h7CNajv31495 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 00:36:45 +0100 Received: from snowy.kiwilink.co.nz (snowy.kiwilink.co.nz [202.27.215.2]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h7CNaho31490 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 00:36:44 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from rpc.OFFICE (ip219-88-211-20.kc.net.nz [219.88.211.20]) by snowy.kiwilink.co.nz (Postfix) with SMTP id 98D194012B2 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 11:34:30 +1200 (NZST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tim King To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 11:31:02 +1200 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Colour tables? Message-ID: <4c210c914ctim@de-sig.co.nz> In-Reply-To: References: <7de142204c.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article , David Pilling wrote: > >Printing from Photodesk I can change the colour correction tables to > >compensate. Is there a way to do this in OPro? > No. I always though having a global colour control in OP would be good, > but I never got around to it. David, can you clarify please... the correction table(s) in Choices are *only* of use for separations? - for composite ps output the RO printer driver is only RGB so there's no conversion at our end? How do colours map though, in the case of a non ps cmyk printer? Are the correction tables not employed? - if not, then the conversion is handled soley by the printer driver? > Acorns printer drivers have gamma tables inside them, and once long > ago there was an application that let you edit them. Realistically, we deal most of the time with a small and finite number of printers, and although they can sometimes be a moving target with shifting calibrations, a means of addressing output to them individually from within the application strikes me as being fairly useful tool. Both for Windows and RO versions. Tim -- Tim King... de-Sign. +64 9 478.3114 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Aug 13 02:13:19 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19mkC0-000748-8f-00074q.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 02:13:19 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19mkC0-000748-8f; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 01:12:49 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19mkC0-000748-8f; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 01:12:48 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19mkBe-0006Bj-Lh; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 02:12:26 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h7D1B4p14358 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 02:11:04 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h7D1B4x14355 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 02:11:04 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 19mkAE-0004xF-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 02:10:58 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 02:09:37 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Colour tables? References: <7de142204c.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> <4c210c914ctim@de-sig.co.nz> In-Reply-To: <4c210c914ctim@de-sig.co.nz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >the correction table(s) in Choices are *only* of use for separations? - Correct. >for composite ps output the RO printer driver is only RGB so there's >no conversion at our end? Correct. >How do colours map though, in the case of a non ps cmyk printer? Good question, it is done inside the printer driver/RISC OS. RISC OS only has an RGB rendering model. Now Turbo drivers... different matter, they do allow CMYK rendering and also I think allow some global colour correction control. >> Acorns printer drivers have gamma tables inside them, and once long >> ago there was an application that let you edit them. >Realistically, we deal most of the time with a small and finite number >of printers, and although they can sometimes be a moving target with >shifting calibrations, a means of addressing output to them >individually from within the application strikes me as being fairly >useful tool. Both for Windows and RO versions. I wonder if anyone would like to chip in with how they got on with the Palette editor (that's what it was called), Ace computing? I can't find the copy I was given, although I probably could if I searched hard enough. For OP having global colour control would be good. However I'm not so sure it is the way of handling different printers. For Windows using a proper colour management system beckons. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Aug 13 15:56:35 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19mnGk-0006JI-FD-0006Km.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 15:56:35 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19mnGk-0006JI-FD; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 04:29:56 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19mnGk-0006JI-FD; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 04:29:54 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19mnGL-0006tt-9R; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 05:29:29 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h7D4RWn12336 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 05:27:32 +0100 Received: from avs3.chariot.net.au (avs3.chariot.net.au [203.87.94.3]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h7D4RTI12330 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 05:27:30 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by avs3.chariot.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46A5F2D5CC for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 13:57:33 +0930 (CST) Received: from avs3.chariot.net.au ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (avs3.chariot.net.au [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 32327-01-51 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 13:57:33 +0930 (CST) Received: from mail.chariot.net.au (mail.chariot.net.au [203.87.95.38]) by avs3.chariot.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 240B82D522 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 13:57:33 +0930 (CST) Received: from localhost (ppp-066.cust203-87-121.ghr.chariot.net.au [203.87.121.66]) by mail.chariot.net.au (Postfix) with SMTP id 7899A109EA8 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 13:57:24 +0930 (CST) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 13:56:25 +1030 From: Peter Prewett To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro Message-ID: <121e22214c.pprewett@chariot.net.au> References: <610faa1f4c.pprewett@chariot.net.au> <4c2049e744alan.dawes@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4c2049e744alan.dawes@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (MsgServe/2.02) (RISC-OS/4.33) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at chariot.net.au Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by svr1.spellings.net id h7D4RVI12334 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message <4c2049e744alan.dawes@argonet.co.uk> Alan P Dawes wrote: > On 10 Aug, Peter Prewett wrote: > > I have Ovation Pro version 2.70 running on a SA RO 4.33 and having > > problems over the last few weeks in it crashing with type 5 errors when > > trying to do a spell check or adding a frame into an existing document > > plus an internal error. > > > I have just loaded OP and after doing an OCR using Sleuth3 and dropping > > the text directly into OP it crashed with a type 5 error tried again to > > see if I could repeat and it was OK. > > > I have had type 3 problems before as well as printing difficulties as > > posted a few weeks back. > > > As I have had the upgrades to OP over the internet and no one else has > > complained I am wondering if I have had a bad down load and should start > > again, I have not had problems before this version. > > When did you last 'spring clean' your RiscPC? Before I had a new > motherboard and single 128MB SIMM in mine, I found that I increasingly got > these sort of errors until I got round to the annual clean out. Carefully > hoover all the dust, hairs etc from the inside and then remove SIMMs, > VRAM, expansion cards, processor card, etc. Clean the contacts and, if you > have some, smear with contact enhancer, then replace. Do the same with all > connectors. This will clean the contacts of minute amounts of corrosion > and reduce the resulting stray capacitance that can cause the odd timing > problems which corrupts data as it gets passed around the computer. After > doing this I found that the problems with type 5 etc errors would > disappear until it was time to clean again. > > You do the above at your own risk, take care to earth yourself to avoid > damage to chips by electrostatic discharge. Make a note of where > everything goes and particularly the orientation of all connecting leads. I have a great deal of reluctance to remove cards etc. for 1 major reason. When I was working we ordered some electronic data recording equipment and the manufacturer was late in delivery and when we installed the equipment it kept on failing. I discovered that the reason was that they had major problems during testing, prior to delivery, and were removing the cards and reinserting them beyond their possible lifetime. All plug in device plugs/sockets etc. have a lifetime and for cards the number of insertions is very low, they are in fact to be inserted once only and not removed, as a consequence after an extremely short service life the above equipment were scrapped. Also one problem I have is that the Video RAM socket handle has broken so that makes it a little difficult to remove, also no other SW is causing me problems. I have done a spring clean and improved air movement by blocking the sides of the PSU, even dismantled and cleaned inside that as well. Thanks for thoughts. Cheers Peter -- Peter Prewett, Coromandel Valley, South Australia -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Aug 13 15:56:37 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19mo6t-0000Jj-Dk-0000Kg.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 15:56:37 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19mo6t-0000Jj-Dk; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 05:23:48 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19mo6t-0000Jj-Dk; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 05:23:47 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19mo6g-0000Bg-RA; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 06:23:34 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h7D5MlH19818 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 06:22:47 +0100 Received: from cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.173]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h7D5Mk019815 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 06:22:46 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from user-216.bbd05tcl.dsl.pol.co.uk ([81.77.96.216] helo=[10.0.12.24]) by cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19mo5u-0007ET-5O for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 06:22:46 +0100 Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 06:22:52 +0100 From: David Williams To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] New page? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Mail-Followup-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Gemini/1.15d (Windows-XP) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist David Pilling wrote: > >I am developing a new PC based system using Python instead of Basic and I > >cannot force each report onto a new page because hex 0C does not have the > >same effect on OvPro (PC). > > Should do. > > The special use of the Enter key has gone in OPW, however the new page > functionality is still there on the Return key (plus control or > similar). > > Yes, I'm afraid all my problems were down to inexperience with Python rather than a difference between the RO and PC versions of OvPro. Thanks for the help. Dave Williams -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Aug 13 15:56:51 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19mt9p-0000mf-D9-0004ii.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 15:56:51 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19mt9p-0000mf-D9; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 10:49:17 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19mt9p-0000mf-D9; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 10:47:09 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19mt9K-0005Eq-R5; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 11:46:38 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h7DAiqK06422 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 11:44:52 +0100 Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h7DAip506415 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 11:44:52 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [62.188.131.137] (helo=62.188.131.137) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 19mt7Z-0004q3-O1 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 11:44:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Christopher Bryant) To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 11:44:29 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.24 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Paypal Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist I remembered that wrong. It wasn't Which but a Radio 4 money prog. a couple of months ago, and talking about the European end. CJB -- Christopher Bryant +44 (0)1548 82 13 29 cjbryant@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Aug 13 15:56:51 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19mtK6-0006uo-3o-0006z7.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 15:56:51 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19mtK6-0006uo-3o; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 10:57:48 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19mtK6-0006uo-3o; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 10:57:46 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19mtJm-0003KN-N5; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 11:57:26 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h7DAvMk11148 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 11:57:22 +0100 Received: from smtp01.altohiway.com (smtp01.altohiway.com [195.12.4.238]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h7DAvKi11140 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 11:57:20 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from websrv.quantel.com (quantel-gw.hiway.co.uk [195.12.20.34] (may be forged)) by smtp01.altohiway.com (8.11.6/8.9.3) with ESMTP id h7DAvHO00448 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 11:57:17 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Paypal MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 11:58:03 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 11 Aug, Christopher Bryant wrote in message <00bb01c3605d$0afbb940$267abc3e@hal>: > > You can also take another leaf out of Martin's book, use external > > companies/services to took after as much as possible. You can send him > > money for all sorts of things via PayPal > > I believe 'Which?' says it isn't to be trusted. There are various tales of woe at :- http://www.paypalsucks.com/ I don't know how much of this can be believed, but I think the bottom line is be very careful and vigilant Andy Ling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Aug 13 15:56:54 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19mux6-0007KV-70-0007MT.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 15:56:54 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19mux6-0007KV-70; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 12:42:09 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19mux6-0007KV-70; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 12:42:08 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19muwj-00030U-9E; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 13:41:45 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h7DCdV414521 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 13:39:31 +0100 Received: from shockwave.systems.pipex.net (shockwave.systems.pipex.net [62.241.160.9]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h7DCdT514514 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 13:39:30 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from 62.125.134.121 (1Cust121.tnt2.cbg1.gbr.da.UU.NET [62.125.134.121]) by shockwave.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 4D6FA160002CA for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 13:39:27 +0100 (BST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Alan P Dawes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 13:37:53 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Paypal Message-ID: <4c21549b30alan.dawes@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <3D05EA6A-CCF0-11D7-B907-003065F08624@dawnsun.net> References: <0f3ce2204c.philip@philipnet.com> <3D05EA6A-CCF0-11D7-B907-003065F08624@dawnsun.net> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 12 Aug, Peter Gaunt wrote: > I don't think it's PayPal itself which is the problem. I've used them > quite a lot and never had any problems. Only used them for buying > stuff though, never for selling stuff. The problems, I suspect, are > with the PayPal scams which are going around (people receive emails > purporting to be from PayPal asking them to log on an update their > details including credit card numbers). Hardly PayPal's fault. No it's not the Paypal scam spams but Paypal's refusal to extend cover for fraudulent use to users not resident in the USA. It was reported recently on the BBC Moneybox programme http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/moneybox/3047456.stm It was brought to their attention by a number of listeners who had sold items on the internet using Paypal for the transaction only to find that, although Paypal had emailed them to say that the money was in their account, later Paypal refused to pay them as the original transfer from the purchaser was fraudulent. The following is quoted from a part of the report: Tuesday, 8 July, 2003, 09:18 GMT 10:18 UK Paypal cover falls short in UK UK users do not get as much insurance cover UK users of internet payment processing company Paypal risk losing their money because the company's insurance policy against fraud only applies to the United States. Both people selling and buying goods on the internet open separate Paypal accounts. The buyer transfers money into the seller's Paypal account during a transaction, and the seller can then transfer it to their own bank account. Paypal charges an average 4-5% per transaction. Some people selling goods have the impression their payments are guaranteed once they have had a confirmation from Paypal. But in fact that promise only applies to US customers sending to a verified US address. Alan -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- ---------------------------- |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | alan.dawes@argonet.co.uk | | |\ | | | | |\| | | | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | Using an Acorn RiscPC -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Aug 13 15:56:55 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19mwQL-0002qD-9z-0002vf.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 15:56:55 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19mwQL-0002qD-9z; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 14:16:27 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19mwQL-0002qD-9z; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 14:16:25 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19mwPx-0004Kq-1T; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 15:16:01 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h7DEF1d18343 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 15:15:01 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h7DEF0T18322 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 15:15:01 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 19mwOx-0003Oc-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 15:15:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 14:44:57 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] New page? Message-ID: <4c215abf1fJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article , David Williams wrote: > Has anyone get any ideas? Could I make each report a chapter but if > so how do I force new chapters in my text file. I'd have thought that creating DDL files would have been easier - if only because what's in them is more easily understood. -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Aug 13 16:08:37 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19mxEI-0007Hn-7B-0007Ku.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 16:08:37 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19mxEI-0007Hn-7B; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 15:08:03 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19mxEI-0007Hn-7B; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 15:08:02 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19mxD5-0005Bh-5W; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 16:06:47 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h7DF6et03838 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 16:06:40 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h7DF6cG03825 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 16:06:38 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 19mxCw-0000ml-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 16:06:38 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 16:05:00 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] New page? References: <4c215abf1fJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4c215abf1fJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >I'd have thought that creating DDL files would have been easier - if >only because what's in them is more easily understood. If you want to create documents with chapters then DDL is your best bet However for general marked up text, CC Impression DDF is pretty nice. I was wondering if there is any documentation for this format which I could redistribute? ISTR there's a chapter in the Publisher manual. Maybe I should approach CC for permission to reproduce it... (thinks, didn't Peter Bond's index program do something clever stuffing key presses in the key board buffer - probably just one new chapter for the index). -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Aug 13 21:28:14 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19n28G-0006kg-9p-0006mM.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 21:28:14 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19n28G-0006kg-9p; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 20:27:25 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19n28G-0006kg-9p; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 20:22:08 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19n27z-000228-B4; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 21:21:51 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h7DKJ9t27377 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 21:19:09 +0100 Received: from he201war.uk.vianw.net (he201war.uk.vianw.net [195.102.244.149]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h7DKJ8827366 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 21:19:08 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [195.102.205.203] (helo=bulldog.u-net.com) by he201war.uk.vianw.net with smtp (Exim 4.04) id 19n25K-0003dw-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 21:19:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 13:00:08 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] OPro Resources - Updated Contents Applet Message-ID: <4c21512644chris@bulldog.u-net.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03g (RISC-OS/4.36) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist An updated version of the !Contents applet, by Roger Noble, has been uploaded to the Ovation Pro third party resources site. Version 2.23 Now allows a separate style to be specified for page numbers in the contents listing. There are two alternative resources sites, intended to be mirrors of each other. The urls are as follows: Site 1: http://www.chris-johnson.org/ovationpro/index.html Site 2: http://www.chris-johnson.org.uk/ovationpro/index.html or http://www.bulldog.u-net.com/ovationpro/index.html Any submissions for the site are always accepted gratefully (by e-mail is fine). -- Chris Johnson -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Aug 14 13:29:44 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19nFsL-0006Vw-9i-0006YO.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 13:29:44 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19nFsL-0006Vw-9i; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 11:02:38 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19nFsL-0006Vw-9i; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 11:02:37 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19nFrW-0006En-2s; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 12:01:46 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h7EB0d104063 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 12:00:39 +0100 Received: from protactinium.btinternet.com (protactinium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.176]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h7EB0bX04041 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 12:00:37 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from host81-134-162-121.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([81.134.162.121] helo=baskerville.english.co.uk) by protactinium.btinternet.com with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #23) id 19nFqO-000230-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 12:00:37 +0100 Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20030814115555.02a5fea0@wheresmymailserver.com> X-Sender: (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 12:00:36 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Graddol Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OPro Windows Stysheet extension clash? In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist At 01:52 01/08/2003, David Pilling wrote: >I have considered going beyond three character extensions, these don't seem popular, but offer a much larger name space. Sorry to come into this rather late, but if you went for a four letter extension you would be in good company. Adobe InDesign (which is regarded by most designers as a better layout program than Quark) uses a series of extensions based on .ind - an Indesign Document is .indd, a template file .indt etc. David -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Aug 19 22:57:00 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19o77X-00004N-4r-00005G.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 22:57:00 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19o77X-00004N-4r; Sat, 16 Aug 2003 19:53:52 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19o77X-00004N-4r; Sat, 16 Aug 2003 19:53:51 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19o76x-00023I-D5; Sat, 16 Aug 2003 20:53:15 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h7GJpUg11549 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 16 Aug 2003 20:51:30 +0100 Received: from he201war.uk.vianw.net (he201war.uk.vianw.net [195.102.244.149]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h7GJpTD11546 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2003 20:51:29 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [195.102.205.61] (helo=bulldog.u-net.com) by he201war.uk.vianw.net with smtp (Exim 4.04) id 19o75B-0003vQ-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 16 Aug 2003 20:51:27 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 20:47:58 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] New Applet - FitWidth Message-ID: <4c2307783dchris@bulldog.u-net.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03g (RISC-OS/4.36) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist A new applet - FitWidth, by Andrew Conroy, has been added to t'other Ovation Pro resources site. Extract from the !Help file: Applet !FitWidth 1.05 (requires Ovation Pro 2.62) ------------------------------------------------- Fits the selected text to the width of the frame. Adds 'Fit Width' option to the Applets menu, and defines 'fitwidth' button for the button bar (disabled). Click on 'Fit Width' or press Ctrl Shift W to fit the selected text to the width of the frame. Where to get it --------------- There are two alternative resources sites, intended to be mirrors of each other. The urls are as follows: Site 1: http://www.chris-johnson.org/ovationpro/index.html Site 2: http://www.chris-johnson.org.uk/ovationpro/index.html or http://www.bulldog.u-net.com/ovationpro/index.html Any submissions for the site are always accepted gratefully (by e-mail is fine). -- Chris Johnson -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Aug 19 22:57:21 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19oPy3-0002vX-7L-00030g.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 22:57:21 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19oPy3-0002vX-7L; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 16:01:20 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19oPy3-0002vX-7L; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 16:01:19 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19oPxn-0000UA-SQ; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 17:01:03 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h7HG0Vr16302 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 17:00:31 +0100 Received: from smtpq1.home.nl (smtpq1.home.nl [213.51.128.196]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h7HG0Ux16297 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 17:00:30 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [213.51.128.134] (port=33659 helo=smtp3.home.nl) by smtpq1.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19oPxG-0004yH-64 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 18:00:30 +0200 Received: from cp418204-a.dbsch1.nb.home.nl ([217.123.44.165]:55656 helo=padua) by smtp3.home.nl with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 19oPxF-0005oh-Ik for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 18:00:29 +0200 Message-ID: <001101c364e1$69487000$6502a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: "Ovation Pro" References: <4c2307783dchris@bulldog.u-net.com> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] New Applet - FitWidth Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 18:02:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-MailScanner-Information: Neem contact op met support@home.nl voor meer informatie X-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On Saturday, August 16, 2003 8:47 PM, Chris Johnson wrote: > A new applet - FitWidth, by Andrew Conroy, has been added to t'other > Ovation Pro resources site. > > Extract from the !Help file: > > Applet !FitWidth 1.05 (requires Ovation Pro 2.62) > ------------------------------------------------- > Fits the selected text to the width of the frame. > > Adds 'Fit Width' option to the Applets menu, and defines 'fitwidth' > button for the button bar (disabled). > > Click on 'Fit Width' or press Ctrl Shift W to fit the selected text > to the width of the frame. > Thanks for the Applet. One suggestion: it would be nice, when the info would contain info about 26 bit or 26/32bit neutral. I have problems with the Applet. 1) On the menu only Shift Control appears, the 'W' is missing (too far to the right?) 2) I created a frame, width 100 mm. Default inset. I typed in Bodytext (Trinity.Medium 12 pt) the line 'Try this one' With or without hitting return, using enabled button or key shortcut, the font size changed to 38 pt, only using 66.8 mm of the 100 mm width, when I applied FitWidth to the selected text. Next I have set the width to 66.8 mm. Selected the 38 pt text again. And used Fitwidth. Text size changed to 25 pt. Again leaving about 1/3 of the line 'unused'. Changing alignment didn't make a difference. This is OP2.72, RO4.02 patch 5 Tonnie -- Mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Aug 19 22:57:22 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19oQqR-0005Uv-8Q-0005WR.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 22:57:22 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19oQqR-0005Uv-8Q; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 16:57:33 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19oQqR-0005Uv-8Q; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 16:57:31 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19oQq3-0003Yp-TX; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 17:57:07 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h7HGv3Z29944 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 17:57:03 +0100 Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h7HGv3829940 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 17:57:03 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [62.188.130.174] (helo=localhost) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19oQpw-0001os-7p for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 17:57:00 +0100 Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 10:28:33 +0100 From: roger foden To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] OvationPro 2.72 not printing Message-ID: X-Organization: The Fodens X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.68a User-Agent: POPstar/2.05 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist I have a problem with Ovation Pro. After upgrading to v2.70 and through to 2.72 I found that documents will not print. I get an error message: Ovation Pro may have gone wrong. Click Continue to resume or Quit to stop Ovation Pro. Clicking on 'Describe' elicits the information: invalid address (print cancelled) I have, as far as I'm aware updated all the applets that require the 32 bit version; updated all the modules that requre a 32 bit version. I'm running a Risc PC with Strongarm, RISC OS 3.7, 48MB of RAM On reverting back to OvPro 2.67 the document will print. If I first load OvPro 2.67 then 2.72 and drag the document to 2.72 it prints! Once OvPro 2.67 has been loaded into memory, even if it is then quit, loading OvPro 2.72 will allow printing. It appears 2.67 is setting something which 2.72 does not, and this something is necessary for printing. I'm using !Printers 1.64; but the same problem persists with !Printers 1.67 Checking the modules loaded (with *h. mod.) the same modules are loaded by OvPro 2.67 as by 2.72 - though the workspaces are different! UniversalKey, OvationUtils, ImageExtend, FontDraw and Ovation modules have workspace of 00000000 with v2.72 ImageExtend and FontDraw do _not_ have a zero workspace with v2.72. The other modules loaded by OvPro are DitherExtend, ArtworksRenderer and Gdraw. I hope I've given enough information and apologise if I've missed the solution in earlier postings. Thanks in anticipation Best Regards Roger -- roger.foden@argonet.co.uk jacki.foden@argonet.co.uk \|/ roger@thefodens.aaugonline.net __oooO_/o o\_Oooo__ http://users.argonet.co.uk/users/roger.foden U Wot, no Wintel? No, RiscPC & RISC OS; Years Ahead! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Aug 19 22:57:22 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19oRBA-0007hE-Fi-0007ip.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 22:57:22 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19oRBA-0007hE-Fi; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 17:18:57 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19oRBA-0007hE-Fi; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 17:18:56 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19oRB2-0004yb-SV; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 18:18:48 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h7HHI9L03139 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 18:18:09 +0100 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.185]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h7HHI8N03132 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 18:18:08 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.160] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19oRAO-0000qh-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 19:18:08 +0200 Received: from [213.6.48.164] (helo=goedel) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19oRAN-0004hA-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 19:18:08 +0200 Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 19:19:02 +0200 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvationPro 2.72 not printing Message-ID: <6eb07d234c.martin@mw-software.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (MsgServe/2.02) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.04-pre2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message roger foden wrote: > Checking the modules loaded (with *h. mod.) the same modules are loaded > by OvPro 2.67 as by 2.72 - though the workspaces are different! > UniversalKey, OvationUtils, ImageExtend, FontDraw and Ovation modules > have workspace of 00000000 with v2.72 ImageExtend and FontDraw do _not_ > have a zero workspace with v2.72. ImageExtend and FontDraw are part of the ArtWorks rendering modules. They are not used under RISC OS 3 onwards so they do not matter - the latest versions of these modules are dummy modules, hence the null workspace. You seem to have different versions of the rendering modules in different places on your system and the ArtWorks applet of 2.67 seems to load earlier ones (with a non-null workspace), while the ArtWorks applet in 2.72 loads the later ones. You may want to update all your ArtWorks rendering modules to the latest version by running !InstMods inside the latest version of !AWViewer, but this is really a different issue - I do not think this will have any effect on your printing problem. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Aug 19 22:57:22 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19oRbb-0000IF-DY-0000Iq.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 22:57:22 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19oRbb-0000IF-DY; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 17:46:15 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19oRbb-0000IF-DY; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 17:46:15 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19oRbE-0004jH-Ic; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 18:45:52 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h7HHjmX09167 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 18:45:48 +0100 Received: from smtp.mailbox.co.uk (smtp.mailbox.co.uk [195.82.125.32]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h7HHjl609163 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 18:45:47 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [212.18.234.229] (helo=bd39.argonet.co.uk) by smtp.mailbox.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19oRb9-0004d6-00; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 18:45:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Owl-Art Un-Ltd." To: "Ovation Pro" Cc: totonnie@home.nl Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 18:46:49 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] New Applet - FitWidth Message-ID: <4c23803b81owlart@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <001101c364e1$69487000$6502a8c0@padua> References: <4c2307783dchris@bulldog.u-net.com> <001101c364e1$69487000$6502a8c0@padua> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article <001101c364e1$69487000$6502a8c0@padua>, Tonnie Demarteau wrote: > On Saturday, August 16, 2003 8:47 PM, > Chris Johnson wrote: > > A new applet - FitWidth, by Andrew Conroy, has been added to t'other > > Ovation Pro resources site. > > > > Extract from the !Help file: > > > > Applet !FitWidth 1.05 (requires Ovation Pro 2.62) > > ------------------------------------------------- > > Fits the selected text to the width of the frame. > > > > Adds 'Fit Width' option to the Applets menu, and defines 'fitwidth' > > button for the button bar (disabled). > > > > Click on 'Fit Width' or press Ctrl Shift W to fit the selected text > > to the width of the frame. > > > Thanks for the Applet. > One suggestion: it would be nice, when the info would contain info > about 26 bit or 26/32bit neutral. It's 26/32bit neutral. Sorry, forgot to mention that! > I have problems with the Applet. > 1) On the menu only Shift Control appears, the 'W' is missing (too far > to the right?) Hmm, what desktop font are you using? > 2) I created a frame, width 100 mm. Default inset. > I typed in Bodytext (Trinity.Medium 12 pt) the line 'Try this one' > With or without hitting return, using enabled button or key shortcut, > the font size changed to 38 pt, only using 66.8 mm of the 100 mm width, > when I applied FitWidth to the selected text. > Next I have set the width to 66.8 mm. Selected the 38 pt text again. > And used Fitwidth. Text size changed to 25 pt. Again leaving about 1/3 > of the line 'unused'. Unfortunately, I can't reproduce either of these problems :-( Could you send me the OvPro file so I can take a look at that? What is your default inset? I've tried the applet on three different copies of OvPro and it works on them all. If your default inset is 1mm, the font size should be 57pt for a 100mm frame and 38pt for a 66.8mm frame. What other applets do you have installed? Out of interest, have you tried using the applet by using the menu entry? I wonder where the problem lies. Does anyone else have these problems? > Changing alignment didn't make a difference. > This is OP2.72, RO4.02 patch 5 > Tonnie Andrew -- http://www.owlart.net/ +----------------------------------------+---------------------------------+ | Owl-Art Un-Ltd. Design and Print Work | email: Sales@owlart.net | | Coming to you on an Acorn RiscPC SA110 | Snail: 58 Newland Road, | | | Worthing, | | Business Cards, Invites, Newsletters, | West Sussex. | | Booklets, Programmes, Original Artwork | BN11 1JX. U.K. | +----------------------------------------+---------------------------------+ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Aug 19 22:57:23 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19oV2j-0000hQ-9m-0000iD.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 22:57:23 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19oV2j-0000hQ-9m; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 21:26:30 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19oV2j-0000hQ-9m; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 21:26:29 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19oV2X-0006XV-NA; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 22:26:17 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h7HLPoJ30331 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 22:25:50 +0100 Received: from snowy.kiwilink.co.nz (snowy.kiwilink.co.nz [202.27.215.2]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h7HLPmG30321 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 22:25:49 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from rpc.OFFICE (ip219-88-211-20.kc.net.nz [219.88.211.20]) by snowy.kiwilink.co.nz (Postfix) with SMTP id 026554012B6 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 09:23:20 +1200 (NZST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tim King To: "Ovation Pro" Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 09:28:10 +1200 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] New Applet - FitWidth Message-ID: <4c23947f0ctim@de-sig.co.nz> In-Reply-To: <4c23803b81owlart@argonet.co.uk> References: <4c2307783dchris@bulldog.u-net.com> <001101c364e1$69487000$6502a8c0@padua> <4c23803b81owlart@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article <4c23803b81owlart@argonet.co.uk>, Owl-Art Un-Ltd. wrote: > In article <001101c364e1$69487000$6502a8c0@padua>, > Tonnie Demarteau wrote: > Does anyone else have these problems? >From the menu, I get Tonnie's result with Trinity. Just about everything else seems to work properly. Vivaldi overdid things and put the last word on the next line. > > This is OP2.72, RO4.02 patch 5 OP2.70 Tim -- Tim King... de-Sign. +64 9 478.3114 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Aug 19 22:57:26 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19oVL9-0000tx-EK-0000xY.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 22:57:26 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19oVL9-0000tx-EK; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 21:45:33 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19oVL9-0000tx-EK; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 21:45:31 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19oVL0-0007kK-E7; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 22:45:22 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h7HLjHN03079 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 22:45:17 +0100 Received: from smtp.mailbox.co.uk (smtp.mailbox.co.uk [195.82.125.32]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h7HLjH303076 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 22:45:17 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [212.18.234.229] (helo=bd39.argonet.co.uk) by smtp.mailbox.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19oVKu-0000WP-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 22:45:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Andrew To: "Ovation Pro" Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 22:46:17 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] New Applet - FitWidth Message-ID: <4c23962827andrew@owlart.net> In-Reply-To: <4c23947f0ctim@de-sig.co.nz> References: <4c2307783dchris@bulldog.u-net.com> <001101c364e1$69487000$6502a8c0@padua> <4c23803b81owlart@argonet.co.uk> <4c23947f0ctim@de-sig.co.nz> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article <4c23947f0ctim@de-sig.co.nz>, Tim King wrote: > In article <4c23803b81owlart@argonet.co.uk>, > Owl-Art Un-Ltd. wrote: > > In article <001101c364e1$69487000$6502a8c0@padua>, > > Tonnie Demarteau wrote: > > Does anyone else have these problems? > From the menu, I get Tonnie's result with Trinity. Just about > everything else seems to work properly. Vivaldi overdid things and put > the last word on the next line. > > > This is OP2.72, RO4.02 patch 5 > OP2.70 > Tim Okay, I'm puzzled! I simply can't reproduce these problems, even with the Vivaldi font! I'll male up a 'debug' version and upload it to my website so I can try and find out what's happening! Andrew -- http://www.owlart.net/ +----------------------------------------+---------------------------------+ | Owl-Art Un-Ltd. Design and Print Work | email: Andrew@owlart.net | | Coming to you on an Acorn RiscPC SA110 | Snail: 58 Newland Road, | | | Worthing, | | Business Cards, Invites, Newsletters, | West Sussex. | | Booklets, Programmes, Original Artwork | BN11 1JX. U.K. | +----------------------------------------+---------------------------------+ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Aug 19 22:57:26 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19oVh9-0001V4-8H-0001Ww.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 22:57:26 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19oVh9-0001V4-8H; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 22:08:17 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19oVh9-0001V4-8H; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 22:08:15 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19oVgw-0000qn-Uh; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 23:08:02 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h7HM7wn08774 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 23:07:58 +0100 Received: from smtp.mailbox.co.uk (smtp.mailbox.co.uk [195.82.125.32]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h7HM7v108771 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 23:07:57 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [212.18.234.229] (helo=bd39.argonet.co.uk) by smtp.mailbox.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19oVgq-0000r4-00; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 23:07:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Andrew To: Ovation Pro Cc: totonnie@home.nl, tim@de-sig.co.nz Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 23:08:53 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] New Applet - FitWidth Message-ID: <4c239839c6andrew@owlart.net> In-Reply-To: <4c23962827andrew@owlart.net> References: <4c2307783dchris@bulldog.u-net.com> <001101c364e1$69487000$6502a8c0@padua> <4c23803b81owlart@argonet.co.uk> <4c23947f0ctim@de-sig.co.nz> <4c23962827andrew@owlart.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article <4c23962827andrew@owlart.net>, Andrew wrote: > In article <4c23947f0ctim@de-sig.co.nz>, > Tim King wrote: > > In article <4c23803b81owlart@argonet.co.uk>, > > Owl-Art Un-Ltd. wrote: > > > In article <001101c364e1$69487000$6502a8c0@padua>, > > > Tonnie Demarteau wrote: > > > Does anyone else have these problems? > > From the menu, I get Tonnie's result with Trinity. Just about > > everything else seems to work properly. Vivaldi overdid things and put > > the last word on the next line. > > > > This is OP2.72, RO4.02 patch 5 > > OP2.70 > > Tim > Okay, I'm puzzled! I simply can't reproduce these problems, even with > the Vivaldi font! I'll male up a 'debug' version and upload it to my > website so I can try and find out what's happening! I've now uploaded a debug version to http://www.owlart.net/Software/FWdebug.zip If you're having problems, please install the debug version, make sure you've got a Ramdisc configured, and then try the applet. Do something which you know will make the applet fail and then please send me the OvPro file & the debug file from Ramdisc so I can see what's going on. Thanks, Andrew -- http://www.owlart.net/ +----------------------------------------+---------------------------------+ | Owl-Art Un-Ltd. Design and Print Work | email: Andrew@owlart.net | | Coming to you on an Acorn RiscPC SA110 | Snail: 58 Newland Road, | | | Worthing, | | Business Cards, Invites, Newsletters, | West Sussex. | | Booklets, Programmes, Original Artwork | BN11 1JX. U.K. | +----------------------------------------+---------------------------------+ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Aug 19 22:57:37 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19oo4q-0006WI-8Y-0006Zd.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 22:57:37 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19oo4q-0006WI-8Y; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 17:45:59 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19oo4q-0006WI-8Y; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 17:45:56 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19oo40-0004pT-8f; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 18:45:04 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h7IHhxB29398 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 18:43:59 +0100 Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h7IHhvb29386 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 18:43:57 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [213.116.54.246] (helo=localhost) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19oo2s-0007sd-R2 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 18:43:55 +0100 Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 18:41:43 +0100 From: roger foden To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvationPro 2.72 not printing Message-ID: <279a3244c%roger@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <6eb07d234c.martin@mw-software.com> X-Organization: The Fodens X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.68a User-Agent: POPstar/2.05 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Dear Martin Wuerthner, In message <6eb07d234c.martin@mw-software.com> you wrote: > In message > roger foden wrote: > > > Checking the modules loaded (with *h. mod.) the same modules are loaded > > by OvPro 2.67 as by 2.72 - though the workspaces are different! > > UniversalKey, OvationUtils, ImageExtend, FontDraw and Ovation modules > > have workspace of 00000000 with v2.67 ImageExtend and FontDraw do > > _not_ have a zero workspace with v2.72. > > ImageExtend and FontDraw are part of the ArtWorks rendering modules. They > are not used under RISC OS 3 onwards so they do not matter - the latest > versions of these modules are dummy modules, hence the null workspace. > > You seem to have different versions of the rendering modules in different > places on your system and the ArtWorks applet of 2.67 seems to load > earlier ones (with a non-null workspace), while the ArtWorks applet in > 2.72 loads the later ones. The !Install files inside the !OArtwrks applets in 2,67 and 2.72 are different, so will presumably do as you say - I don't properly understand the script I'm afraid. > > You may want to update all your ArtWorks rendering modules to the latest > version by running !InstMods inside the latest version of !AWViewer, but I checked the modules in my copy of !AWViewer; they were all circa 1992. > this is really a different issue - I do not think this will have any > effect on your printing problem. > Despite your fears, updating them with the latest ones I had - in !CCShared and in an ancient copy of !ArtWorks - to Dec 92 and Jan 93 has cured the problem. OvPro 2.72 will now print!!! I presume there was some clash of old and new modules in the 32/26bit domain, the newer OvPro seemed to be loading the older modules. Very many thanks for your help. Kind regards Roger -- roger.foden@argonet.co.uk jacki.foden@argonet.co.uk \|/ roger@thefodens.aaugonline.net __oooO_/o o\_Oooo__ http://users.argonet.co.uk/users/roger.foden U Wot, no Wintel? No, RiscPC & RISC OS; Years Ahead! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Aug 19 22:58:10 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19pAPo-0004cM-8C-0004hb.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 22:58:10 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19pAPo-0004cM-8C; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 17:37:07 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19pAPo-0004cM-8C; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 17:37:04 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19pAPX-0000iu-9y; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 18:36:47 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h7JHa5k32216 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 18:36:05 +0100 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.189]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h7JHa5m32212 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 18:36:05 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.161] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19pAOq-0004cz-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 19:36:04 +0200 Received: from [213.6.48.244] (helo=goedel) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19pAOq-0003ra-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 19:36:04 +0200 Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 19:37:04 +0200 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvationPro 2.72 not printing Message-ID: <3d0387244c.martin@mw-software.com> References: <279a3244c%roger@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <279a3244c%roger@argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (MsgServe/2.02) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.04-pre2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message <279a3244c%roger@argonet.co.uk> roger foden wrote: > > You may want to update all your ArtWorks rendering modules to the latest > > version by running !InstMods inside the latest version of !AWViewer, but > > I checked the modules in my copy of !AWViewer; they were all circa 1992. > > > this is really a different issue - I do not think this will have any > > effect on your printing problem. > > > Despite your fears, updating them with the latest ones I had - in > !CCShared and in an ancient copy of !ArtWorks - to Dec 92 and Jan 93 has > cured the problem. You may consider updating to the 2003/2003 versions of these modules. You can find the latest AWViewer at http://www.mw-software.com/software/awmodules/awrender.html#download Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Aug 19 22:58:10 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19pARy-0007EQ-EK-0001sa.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 22:58:10 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19pARy-0007EQ-EK; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 17:40:43 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19pARy-0007EQ-EK; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 17:39:18 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19pARO-0005Y1-M2; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 18:38:42 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h7JHcdA00345 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 18:38:39 +0100 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.188]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h7JHcdC00342 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 18:38:39 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.161] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19pARK-0004xJ-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 19:38:38 +0200 Received: from [213.6.48.244] (helo=goedel) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19pARK-00047H-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 19:38:38 +0200 Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 19:39:39 +0200 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvationPro 2.72 not printing Message-ID: <993f87244c.martin@mw-software.com> References: <279a3244c%roger@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <279a3244c%roger@argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (MsgServe/2.02) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.04-pre2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message <279a3244c%roger@argonet.co.uk> roger foden wrote: > Despite your fears, updating them with the latest ones I had - in > !CCShared and in an ancient copy of !ArtWorks - to Dec 92 and Jan 93 has > cured the problem. Having just re-read your first message: > I'm running a Risc PC with Strongarm, RISC OS 3.7, 48MB of RAM I am pretty certain that the above modules do NOT work on a StrongARM. So, either the modules were loaded from somewhere else as you expected or you have not tried printing anything with ArtWorks graphics. In any case, I recommend updating to the latest versions. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Aug 20 17:19:35 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19pVF7-0004BC-Bt-0005Yx.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 17:19:35 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19pVF7-0004BC-Bt; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 16:19:26 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19pVF7-0004BC-Bt; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 15:51:25 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19pUqU-0002UI-ER; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 16:25:58 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h7KFP2Y19360 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 16:25:02 +0100 Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h7KFP2419352 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 16:25:02 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [62.188.142.26] (helo=localhost) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19pUpW-000062-Op for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 16:24:59 +0100 Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 09:57:01 +0100 From: roger foden To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvationPro 2.72 not printing Message-ID: <743cdb244c%roger@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <993f87244c.martin@mw-software.com> X-Organization: The Fodens X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.68a User-Agent: POPstar/2.05 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Hi Martin, In message <993f87244c.martin@mw-software.com> you wrote: > In message <279a3244c%roger@argonet.co.uk> > roger foden wrote: > > > Despite your fears, updating them with the latest ones I had - in > > !CCShared and in an ancient copy of !ArtWorks - to Dec 92 and Jan 93 has > > cured the problem. > > Having just re-read your first message: > > > I'm running a Risc PC with Strongarm, RISC OS 3.7, 48MB of RAM > > I am pretty certain that the above modules do NOT work on a StrongARM. > So, either the modules were loaded from somewhere else as you expected or > you have not tried printing anything with ArtWorks graphics. > > In any case, I recommend updating to the latest versions. > I've updated with the modules obtained from your site on 18th August 2003. Checking by *h. modules: Previously, OvPro 2.72 loaded the older ImageExtend and FontDraw - they had a workspace; OvPro 2.67 loaded the newer with no workspace. Probably the different script in the !OArtWorks applet was causing this? Now, OvPro 2.72 does _not_ load FontDraw or Image Extend; but OvPro 2.67 does load them (the new 'dummy' versions). I've checked, and OvPro 2.72 can use and print ArtWorks graphics on my set-up. (The 'DesIsland' graphic.) So it seems that the new modules will work on a StrongArm machine. Your site does advise that they are suitable for RISC OS 3.5 onwards. I also have the new 26/32 bit modules from Castle. Kind regards Roger -- roger.foden@argonet.co.uk jacki.foden@argonet.co.uk \|/ roger@thefodens.aaugonline.net __oooO_/o o\_Oooo__ http://users.argonet.co.uk/users/roger.foden U Wot, no Wintel? No, RiscPC & RISC OS; Years Ahead! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Aug 22 02:44:55 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19q0yj-0002ql-7z-0002sO.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2003 02:44:55 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19q0yj-0002ql-7z; Fri, 22 Aug 2003 01:44:38 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19q0yj-0002ql-7z; Fri, 22 Aug 2003 01:44:37 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19q0y4-0006AB-Rw; Fri, 22 Aug 2003 02:43:56 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h7M1h9K06360 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 22 Aug 2003 02:43:09 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h7M1h8R06357 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2003 02:43:08 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 19q0xH-0006CG-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 22 Aug 2003 02:43:08 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 02:41:47 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] John Pettigrew's Clipboard applet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Hi, I've found a problem in this, but I can't contact John Pettigrew. 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