From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jul 1 23:57:37 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1057100203:20:09201:70".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 23:57:37 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1057100203:20:09201:70; Tue, 01 Jul 2003 22:56:43 GMT Received: from smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.32]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2103477; 1 Jul 2003 22:56 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19XU30-0002e6-00; Tue, 01 Jul 2003 23:56:26 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h61Mtmh29773 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 23:55:48 +0100 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.171]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h61Mtj329760 for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 23:55:46 +0100 Received: from [212.227.126.162] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19XU2L-0007nc-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 02 Jul 2003 00:55:45 +0200 Received: from [172.178.87.201] (helo=goedel) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19XU2K-0003Gw-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 02 Jul 2003 00:55:45 +0200 Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 00:12:27 +0200 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP - Windows version Message-ID: <7a43640b4c.martin@mw-software.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (MsgServe/2.02) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.04-pre2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message Denys Wells wrote: > > On Thu 26 Jun, Martin Wuerthner wrote: > > > So, what are "the clipping problems"? There are various under RISC > > > OS but not in OvationPro as far as I am aware. > > When I experienced the 'clipping' a long time ago, someone told me the > problem is a basic fault in !Draw. I now tend to use DPlingScan to crop > any oversize graphics to desired size if clipping may be a problem. No, there is no basic fault in !Draw (the application), nor in Draw (the module). It is just the case that RISC OS (before version 5) has no operating system support for clipping and implementing it in an application is a bit tricky so the RiScript authors did not do it. > [snip] > > > Of course, if you use RiScript to produce the PDF you will most certainly > > > run into RiScript's clipping problems. That is a limitation in RiScript > > > and has nothing to do with OP. > > If my information above is right, this explains why the problem also occurs > with !RiScript, as this outputs PS and PDF files as Drawfiles. It would be trivial to retain the clipping and put it in the generated PDF file. Whether you go through a Draw file or not does not make any difference because it would be no problem to put the clipping information in the intermediate Draw file. Converting the clipping from PS to PDF is really easy. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jul 2 02:08:42 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1057108062:10:29724:48".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 02:08:42 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1057108062:10:29724:48; Wed, 02 Jul 2003 01:07:42 GMT Received: from smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.32]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1113794; 2 Jul 2003 1:07 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19XW5Y-0001HT-00; Wed, 02 Jul 2003 02:07:12 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h6216cR31284 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 02:06:38 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h6216bs31279 for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 02:06:37 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19XW4x-000NjU-0W for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 02 Jul 2003 02:06:35 +0100 Message-ID: <7J04IjRR$iA$EwCr@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 02:05:21 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] John M Ward References: <7a43640b4c.martin@mw-software.com> In-Reply-To: <7a43640b4c.martin@mw-software.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Hi, Anyone know John M Ward's email address? I'm getting bounces from his (old?) address, but not the one subscribed to the list -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jul 2 13:53:22 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19XZbU-1-e7-2G.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 13:53:22 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19XZbU-1-e7-2G; Wed, 02 Jul 2003 04:52:24 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.32]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id aa0101930; 2 Jul 2003 4:52 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19XZaz-0006J6-00; Wed, 02 Jul 2003 05:51:53 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h624pLj13937 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 05:51:21 +0100 Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h624pKp13926 for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 05:51:20 +0100 Received: from [62.188.112.150] (helo=argonet.co.uk) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19XZaP-0004Uz-J0 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 02 Jul 2003 05:51:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Graham Jenkins To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 06:51:05 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Spellcheck in O Pro, repeated words. Message-ID: <4c0b0a6aadjenpyjay@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4c0ac95127pnyoung@argonet.co.uk> References: <4c0ac95127pnyoung@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.02f (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.04-pre2 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 30 Jun, Dr P.N.Young wrote: > I'm still using 2.66. having not (yet?) got an Iyonix > (BTW, how do you pronounce it?). I say 'eye-on-ix' with emphasised syllable 'on'. Others may be different!. Cheers - -- Graham N P Jenkins jenpyjay@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jul 2 13:53:24 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19XcUv-1-2YX-5D.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 13:53:24 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19XcUv-1-2YX-5D; Wed, 02 Jul 2003 07:57:49 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.32]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id aa0105339; 2 Jul 2003 7:55 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19XcSh-0008Pg-00; Wed, 02 Jul 2003 08:55:31 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h627t2P20288 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 08:55:02 +0100 Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h627t0G20275 for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 08:55:01 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [62.188.122.200] (helo=62.188.122.200) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 19XcS7-0001jf-SA for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 02 Jul 2003 08:54:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Dr P.N.Young" To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 08:47:47 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Spellcheck in O Pro, repeated words. Message-ID: <4c0b98effapnyoung@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4c0ac95127pnyoung@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03e (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article , David Pilling wrote: > >The repeated word feature in the spelling checker is very useful, but it > >does have an irritating quirk. It detects words repeated across > >punctuation marks, paragraph breaks, or even, ISTR, figures (yes, it does, > >I just checked it). Is this intended? And if not, is it fixable? > Should be fixed... Thanks. Best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. Anne \ / __ __ \ England. Cecilia / / \ | | |\ | / _ http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/pnyoung James / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \_____________ pnyoung@argonet.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jul 2 13:53:24 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19Xckx-1-7MR-3D.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 13:53:24 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19Xckx-1-7MR-3D; Wed, 02 Jul 2003 08:14:23 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.32]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id ad0123404; 2 Jul 2003 8:13 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19Xcjg-0001PE-00; Wed, 02 Jul 2003 09:13:04 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h628Cx626045 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 09:12:59 +0100 Received: from gateh.thls.bbc.co.uk (gateh.thls.bbc.co.uk [132.185.240.17]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h628Cw726040 for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 09:12:58 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from w1bhxi02.radio.bbc.co.uk (w1bhxi02.radio.bbc.co.uk [10.48.8.92]) by gateh.thls.bbc.co.uk (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h628Cr921311 for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 09:12:53 +0100 (BST) Received: from w1bhxi01.radio.bbc.co.uk (unverified) by w1bhxi02.radio.bbc.co.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.10) with ESMTP id for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 09:12:53 +0100 Received: by w1bhxi01.radio.bbc.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <3CMFWTX8>; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 09:12:52 +0100 Message-ID: From: Michael Hunter To: "'David Pilling Software List (softwarelist@davidpilling.net)'" Subject: [softwarelist] Spellcheck in O Pro, repeated words Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 09:12:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C34071.B90C3836" Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C34071.B90C3836 Content-Type: text/plain The recent discussion about the repeated words in the spell checker reminds me that I never seem to know what the correct course of action should be if a word is wrongly duplicated! How do you remove the offending word and not leave two spaces between the remaining words? In a large document it can be frustrating to have to go and find those extra spaces. I feel that one of the buttons ought to say 'Delete Word' and it should delete the word and a space. Michael Michael Hunter BBCi at http://www.bbc.co.uk/ This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may contain personal views which are not the views of the BBC unless specifically stated. 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The recent discussion about the repeated w= ords in the spell checker reminds me that I never seem to know what the cor= rect course of action should be if a word is wrongly duplicated! How do you= remove the offending word and not leave two spaces between the remaining w= ords? In a large document it can be frustrating to have to go and find thos= e extra spaces.

I feel that one of the buttons ought to sa= y 'Delete Word' and it should delete the word and a space.

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 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C34071.B90C3836-- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jul 2 13:53:31 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19XgYb-3-6In-2y.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 13:53:31 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19XgYb-3-6In-2y; Wed, 02 Jul 2003 12:17:53 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.30]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id aa0325551; 2 Jul 2003 12:17 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19XgY2-0002Y1-00; Wed, 02 Jul 2003 13:17:18 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h62CGfk18020 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 13:16:41 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h62CGee18007 for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 13:16:40 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from oxted.demon.co.uk ([80.177.123.88] helo=Iyonix) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19XgXH-000IIw-0W for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 02 Jul 2003 13:16:31 +0100 Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 13:15:15 +0100 From: George Foot To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Spellcheck in O Pro, repeated words Message-ID: <8f6cb10b4c.georgefoot@oxted.demon.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.70a (MsgServe/2.10) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.04-pre2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Hi. Greetings. That's what Impression used to do and it was very useful. You could delete a word and the spacing was corrected, As a result it was a very simple way to delete a few words which you had typed incorrectly and which you wished to change, The spacing was always corrected and you simple carried on typing. In message you wrote: > The recent discussion about the repeated words in the spell checker reminds > me that I never seem to know what the correct course of action should be if > a word is wrongly duplicated! How do you remove the offending word and not > leave two spaces between the remaining words? In a large document it can be > frustrating to have to go and find those extra spaces. > > I feel that one of the buttons ought to say 'Delete Word' and it should > delete the word and a space. > > Michael > Michael Hunter Hi. That's what Impression used to do and it was very useful. You could delete a word and the spacing was corrected, As a result it was a very simple way to delete a few words which you had typed incorrectly and which you wished to change, The spacing was always corrected and you simple carried on typing. Regards George -- George Foot georgefoot@oxted.demon.co.uk www.oxted.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jul 2 13:53:37 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1057121551:10:02545:70".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 13:53:37 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1057121551:10:02545:70; Wed, 02 Jul 2003 04:52:31 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.31]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1112812; 2 Jul 2003 4:52 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19XZb0-0001sX-00; Wed, 02 Jul 2003 05:51:54 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h624pLH13938 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 05:51:21 +0100 Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h624pKc13927 for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 05:51:20 +0100 Received: from [62.188.112.150] (helo=argonet.co.uk) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19XZaL-0004Uz-UD for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 02 Jul 2003 05:51:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Graham Jenkins To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 06:47:45 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OPro on Iyonix not printing embedded TableMate Message-ID: <4c0b0a1ca0jenpyjay@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <3F008528.7040008@netvision.net.il> References: <3F006197.3060300@netvision.net.il> <4c0ac0eabejdp@pandora.be> <3F006834.8020307@netvision.net.il> <3F008528.7040008@netvision.net.il> User-Agent: Pluto/3.02f (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.04-pre2 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 30 Jun, Michael Ben-Gershon wrote: > Michael Ben-Gershon wrote: > > Jan De Poorter wrote: > > > >> In article <3F006197.3060300@netvision.net.il>, > >> Michael Ben-Gershon wrote: > >> > >>> I have a document with embedded TableMate files, > >>> which does not print correctly on the Iyonix, but > >>> does print on the Risc PC with the same version of > >>> OPro (the latest version). The actual table rulings > >>> are printed, but not the text within. No difference > >>> which printer driver is used. > >> > >> > >> > >> This is not a Opro or TableMate problem, but probably > >> a Font Manager problem. > >> > >> The same happened to me, but with Pluto. I use > >> Swiss.Monospaced font to display the message text. > >> Some of the messages do not display at all. > >> > >> When I change font to Corpus everything is fine, but > >> when I go back to Swiss, the messages disappear. This > >> only happens on Iyonix. Same font, same Pluto, same > >> message on my RiscPC (RISC OS 4.36) is OK. > >> > >> Try changing the font in the TableMate file, and see > >> what happens. > > > > > > > > No luck. No characters are printed, whether the font is > > built-in or not. > > > > The same TableMate doc is fine when embedded in an > > Impression Publisher document running under Aemulor on > > the Iyonix! > Just in case anyone suggests that it works in Impression > as it is running under Aemulor, I can now confirm that it > works in EasyWriter, running in native mode on the > Iyonix, so it is an Ovation Pro/Iyonix combination > problem. > Michael Ben-Gershon mybg@netvision.net.il > -- To unsubscribe from this list, email > listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE > softwarelist in the body of the message > Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net I sometimes suffer from a possibly related problem. When I have edited a table and returned it to OPro and then try to print I get an error message after the printer window disappears that complains that printer cannot handle VDU4. I have found that by using ALT/BRK rather than any of the buttons in the error window the program offered for stopping is TableMate. When I stop this the printing then starts. Use of any of the error window buttons eventually results in a type 5 error on OPro. Cheers - -- Graham N P Jenkins jenpyjay@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jul 2 22:14:26 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1057180445:10:08895:56".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 22:14:26 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1057180445:10:08895:56; Wed, 02 Jul 2003 21:14:05 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.31]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1116464; 2 Jul 2003 21:13 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19Xov1-0001vh-00; Wed, 02 Jul 2003 22:13:35 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h62LCpo13882 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 22:12:51 +0100 Received: from mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (mta02-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.42]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h62LCoE13870 for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 22:12:50 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from risco.home ([80.7.75.69]) by mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20030702211247.HHZI4771.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@risco.home> for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 22:12:47 +0100 Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 22:12:47 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP - Windows version To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In on Tue 01 Jul, Martin Wuerthner wrote: > In message > Johan Heuseveldt wrote: > > > > > > Using GhostScript (via the nice !ps2pdf front-end) yields perfect > > > > > PDFs for printing. > > > > > > > > Indeed I downloaded it all (for the second time) and try to start > > > > with it. But somehow I cannot find the proper way to start with it. I > > > > looked for the info and help - or whatever it is called - but still > > > > don't know where to begin with. > > > > > > It is dead easy - assuming you have installed it correctly (which just > > > means uncompressing the relevant archives to some place on your hard > > > disc) and you have downloaded the ps2pdf utility, all you need to do is > > > run !ps2pdf, then drag your PostScript file to the ps2pdf icon on the > > > icon bar. > > > > No luck yet: memory and can't find file errors. > > You need to be a bit more specific, so I suggest you post the actual error > message to the GhostScript list. > > > But I think it's a bit OT now in the context of this list? Is there a > > better place (mailinglist > > Yes, there is a GhostScript mailing list (though I have not seen any > message on it for a long time). Have a look at > http://www.acornusers.org/ghostscript/ > You can find information there on how to join it. Once you have got Ghostscript working you may want to look at TaborcaGS (from http://www.sparkplug.org.uk/) which uses GhostScript to extend the PDF generating capabilities of Taborca beyond the 3-page limit, and because it uses GS clipping is correct. Anthony -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Jul 3 02:30:31 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19XsvV-1-4cJ-c.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 3 Jul 2003 02:30:31 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19XsvV-1-4cJ-c; Thu, 03 Jul 2003 01:30:21 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.32]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id aa0115093; 3 Jul 2003 1:29 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19Xsuk-0005SO-00; Thu, 03 Jul 2003 02:29:34 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h631SeO11605 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 3 Jul 2003 02:28:40 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h631Sd311602 for ; Thu, 3 Jul 2003 02:28:40 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 19Xstr-0004n5-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 03 Jul 2003 02:28:39 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 02:27:17 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Spellcheck in O Pro, repeated words References: <8f6cb10b4c.georgefoot@oxted.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <8f6cb10b4c.georgefoot@oxted.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >That's what Impression used to do and it was very >useful. >You could delete a word and the spacing was corrected, Being able to delete a repeated word is a good idea. At the moment you would clear the text in the spell check and hit return - as you say you pick up an extra space. Impression does not spot repeated words and does not give you the chance to delete words from the spell check. OP does have a delete word feature (shift+delete) and it does correct spacing. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Jul 3 13:42:47 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19XzWB-1-1k0-2e.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 3 Jul 2003 13:42:47 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19XzWB-1-1k0-2e; Thu, 03 Jul 2003 08:32:39 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.30]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id ab0105351; 3 Jul 2003 8:32 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19XzVZ-0005ly-00; Thu, 03 Jul 2003 09:32:01 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h638UwX00303 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 3 Jul 2003 09:30:58 +0100 Received: from smtp01.wxs.nl (smtp01.wxs.nl [195.121.6.61]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h638Uu732755 for ; Thu, 3 Jul 2003 09:30:56 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from me (ip51cc4b49.speed.planet.nl [81.204.75.73]) by smtp01.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.14 (built Mar 18 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HHF00428WN6TG@smtp01.wxs.nl> for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 03 Jul 2003 10:23:31 +0200 (MEST) Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2003 10:22:49 +0200 From: Paul Sprangers Subject: [softwarelist] OPro on Iyonix not printing embedded TableMate In-reply-to: <3F019D40.1010400@netvision.net.il> To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Message-id: <4c0c1ffb15paul@delink.nl> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.04-pre2 References: <3F006197.3060300@netvision.net.il> <4c0ac0eabejdp@pandora.be> <3F006834.8020307@netvision.net.il> <3F008528.7040008@netvision.net.il> <3F0135AF.3000601@netvision.net.il> <3F013C9C.6060208@netvision.net.il> <3F015ECB.4000805@netvision.net.il> <3F019D40.1010400@netvision.net.il> Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article <3F019D40.1010400@netvision.net.il>, Michael Ben-Gershon wrote: > Resetting the machine cures the problem, so it must be something that > was loaded up at some stage and which interfered. Please, Michael, Can you inform me (us) as soon as you have found the culprit? I've done a reset too, but without success. So, it must be something that was loaded up during my boot. Of course I've tried a clean boot (whilst holding down Shift), but then printing appears to be difficult, as !Printers assumes a Choices path to be active. After some blind and wild clicking here and there, my desktop suddenly appeared again, and I could really print the draw file from Ovation. It hasn't given me a clue, however, which part of the normal boot has been skipped that way. But if I discover something first, I'll let you (all) know. Kind regards, Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jul 4 21:22:47 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19YX4S-2-JX-1r.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2003 21:22:47 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19YX4S-2-JX-1r; Fri, 04 Jul 2003 20:22:16 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.30]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id ab0226687; 4 Jul 2003 20:21 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19YX3I-0006wB-00; Fri, 04 Jul 2003 21:21:04 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h64KJv827066 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 4 Jul 2003 21:19:57 +0100 Received: from cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.173]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h64KJtN27053 for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2003 21:19:55 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from modem-1059.kowabunga.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.25.222.35] helo=lcessford.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.14) id 19YX2A-0000px-3I for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 04 Jul 2003 21:19:54 +0100 Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2003 21:19:56 +0100 From: "Alex. Cessford" Message-ID: <9178e50c4c.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50 (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.03) POPstar/2.03 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] ImageExtnd - Remind me please! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Old subject probably, but then I'm getting on myself, so please excuse me! After a harddisc corruption repair, (using the wonderful DiscKnight), I have had OvPro complaining on loading that the OArtWrks applet needs ImageExtnd 0.78 or newer. I've had a wander around the various applet websites, etc. but not found where I can acquire said 0.78, advice, please. -- Alex. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jul 4 22:32:25 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19YY9o-3-2OA-q.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2003 22:32:25 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19YY9o-3-2OA-q; Fri, 04 Jul 2003 21:31:52 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.32]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id aa0306657; 4 Jul 2003 21:31 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19YY8n-0003vP-00; Fri, 04 Jul 2003 22:30:49 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h64LUGq13379 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 4 Jul 2003 22:30:16 +0100 Received: from obelix.spectraweb.ch (mailrelay03.sunrise.ch [194.158.229.31]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h64LUDx13354 for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2003 22:30:13 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from janvredenburchsmile.ch (tch-ls-1-dialup-75.spectraweb.ch [194.230.224.75]) by obelix.spectraweb.ch (8.12.9/8.12.6) with SMTP id h64LU8bb014103 for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2003 23:30:09 +0200 Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 23:29:24 +0200 (BST) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: [softwarelist] ImageExtnd - Remind me please! To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net In-Reply-To: <9178e50c4c.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: CIC member; Secretariaat St. Van Vredenburch X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On Fri 04 Jul, Alex. Cessford wrote: > > Old subject probably, but then I'm getting on myself, so please excuse > me! > > After a harddisc corruption repair, (using the wonderful DiscKnight), I > have had OvPro complaining on loading that the OArtWrks applet needs > ImageExtnd 0.78 or newer. > > I've had a wander around the various applet websites, etc. but not found > where I can acquire said 0.78, advice, please. Check if you still have !CCShared within !System. Comes from Computer Concepts and is needed by Artworks. Filepath: ADFS::HD4.$.!Boot.Resources.!System.!CCShared.RMStore.ImageExtnd I have version 0.80 (03 Feb 1993). Greetings JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch, CH - 6006 Luzern **new email address** email: janvredenburch@smile.ch . -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jul 8 19:30:27 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19ZGJH-2-6Ci-1d.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 19:30:27 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19ZGJH-2-6Ci-1d; Sun, 06 Jul 2003 20:40:35 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.32]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id aa0224812; 6 Jul 2003 20:40 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19ZGIv-0006Pe-00; Sun, 06 Jul 2003 21:40:13 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h66KcwO11871 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 6 Jul 2003 21:38:58 +0100 Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h66Kcus11854 for ; Sun, 6 Jul 2003 21:38:56 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [62.188.24.239] (helo=62.188.24.239) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 19ZGHa-0008JD-P8 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 06 Jul 2003 21:38:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "charles.hope" To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2003 20:54:19 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OPro on Iyonix not printing embedded TableMate Message-ID: <4c0deacbe4charles.hope@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <3F013C9C.6060208@netvision.net.il> References: <3F006197.3060300@netvision.net.il> <4c0ac0eabejdp@pandora.be> <3F006834.8020307@netvision.net.il> <3F008528.7040008@netvision.net.il> <3F0135AF.3000601@netvision.net.il> <3F013C9C.6060208@netvision.net.il> User-Agent: Pluto/3.02f (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article <3F013C9C.6060208@netvision.net.il>, Michael Ben-Gershon wrote: > Let's simplify things: Take a simple Draw file with a text area. Drop > it into OPro. It prints OK on the RiscPC, but not on the Iyonix. The > same Draw file prints OK on the Iyonix from Impression Publisher > and EasiWriter. On my Iyonix, it prints quite happily. I used Homerton. Does it matter which font? -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jul 8 19:31:46 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1057503720:21:13206:40".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 19:31:46 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1057503720:21:13206:40; Sun, 06 Jul 2003 15:02:00 GMT Received: from smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.32]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2112578; 6 Jul 2003 15:01 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19ZB0W-0007yF-00; Sun, 06 Jul 2003 16:00:52 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h66Exvf04957 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 6 Jul 2003 15:59:57 +0100 Received: from smtpq1.home.nl (smtpq1.home.nl [213.51.128.196]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h66Exuw04953 for ; Sun, 6 Jul 2003 15:59:56 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [213.51.128.133] (port=55568 helo=smtp2.home.nl) by smtpq1.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19ZAzb-0007oi-Vu for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 06 Jul 2003 16:59:55 +0200 Received: from cp418204-a.dbsch1.nb.home.nl ([217.123.44.165]:55756 helo=padua) by smtp2.home.nl with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 19ZAzY-0000Q3-QE for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 06 Jul 2003 16:59:52 +0200 Message-ID: <008901c343d7$f46b53d0$6502a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: References: <9178e50c4c.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] ImageExtnd - Remind me please! Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 16:37:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-MailScanner-Information: Neem contact op met support@home.nl voor meer informatie Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On Friday, July 04, 2003 9:19 PM, Alex. Cessford wrote: > Old subject probably, but then I'm getting on myself, so please excuse > me! > > After a harddisc corruption repair, (using the wonderful DiscKnight), > I have had OvPro complaining on loading that the OArtWrks applet needs > ImageExtnd 0.78 or newer. > > I've had a wander around the various applet websites, etc. but not > found where I can acquire said 0.78, advice, please. Best way to make sure, that you have the necessary (latest) Artworks modules is to download the latest !AWviewer http://www.mw-software.com/software/awmodules/awrender.html and install it in !Boot.Resources OArtworks applet find the modules here. Tonnie -- Mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jul 8 19:31:49 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1057527131:21:16289:89".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 19:31:49 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1057527131:21:16289:89; Sun, 06 Jul 2003 21:32:11 GMT Received: from smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.32]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2117446; 6 Jul 2003 21:31 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19ZH6U-000087-00; Sun, 06 Jul 2003 22:31:26 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h66LVGA26455 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 6 Jul 2003 22:31:16 +0100 Received: from cmailm3.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailm3.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.19]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h66LVFK26446 for ; Sun, 6 Jul 2003 22:31:15 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from modem-898.cubone.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.135.102.130] helo=lcessford.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailm3.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.14) id 19ZH6I-00074r-0W for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 06 Jul 2003 22:31:14 +0100 Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2003 22:28:18 +0100 From: "Alex. Cessford" To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] ImageExtnd - Remind me please! Message-ID: <8b66f30d4c.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> References: <9178e50c4c.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> <008901c343d7$f46b53d0$6502a8c0@padua> In-Reply-To: <008901c343d7$f46b53d0$6502a8c0@padua> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50 (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.03) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message <008901c343d7$f46b53d0$6502a8c0@padua> you wrote: Bless you Tonnie :-) > On Friday, July 04, 2003 9:19 PM, > Alex. Cessford wrote: > Best way to make sure, that you have the necessary (latest) Artworks modules > is to download the latest !AWviewer > > http://www.mw-software.com/software/awmodules/awrender.html > > and install it in !Boot.Resources > > OArtworks applet find the modules here. -- Alex. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Jul 10 13:33:15 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19aWmt-1-7UG-X9.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 13:33:15 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19aWmt-1-7UG-X9; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 08:28:23 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.31]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id aa0120105; 10 Jul 2003 8:25 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19aWji-0007lz-00; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 09:25:06 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h6A8OMZ27142 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 09:24:22 +0100 Received: from mail.chariot.net.au (mail.chariot.net.au [203.87.95.38]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h6A8OGJ27103 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 09:24:17 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from localhost (ppp-200.cust203-87-117.ghr.chariot.net.au [203.87.117.200]) by mail.chariot.net.au (Postfix) with SMTP id EB5DF10AB28 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 17:53:37 +0930 (CST) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 17:52:16 +1030 From: Peter Prewett To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] OP Printing problems Message-ID: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (MsgServe/2.02) (RISC-OS/4.33) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Moving on with my problem with OP and crashing on trying to move text from one window to another I then had a major problem in printing the resulting document. I wanted to print on both sides so selected reverse and right and it printed as I expected the last page first and the previous chapters OK. I then inserted the pages that had been printed in the printer and then selected it to print the reverse and left and the first four pages were blank, they should not have been, and then a few others OK and but they were not in sequence so ended up doing each page that was missed and redoing some that had the wrong page number to match the reverse. Any clues what I did wrong? Please note I will read any responses on my return from Darwin in a few weeks time. Thanks for any thoughts. Cheers Peter -- Peter Prewett, Coromandel Valley, South Australia -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Jul 10 13:33:19 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1057804534:10:24990:37".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 13:33:19 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1057804534:10:24990:37; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 02:35:34 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.31]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1115630; 10 Jul 2003 2:34 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19aRGJ-0001A2-00; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 03:34:23 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h6A2XN611161 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 03:33:23 +0100 Received: from mail.chariot.net.au (mail.chariot.net.au [203.87.95.38]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h6A2XKV11153 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 03:33:20 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from localhost (ppp-223.cust203-87-112.ghr.chariot.net.au [203.87.112.223]) by mail.chariot.net.au (Postfix) with SMTP id 658BD10A8CE for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 12:03:15 +0930 (CST) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 11:00:23 +1030 From: Peter Prewett To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] type=3 error Message-ID: <63948f0f4c.pprewett@chariot.net.au> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (MsgServe/2.02) (RISC-OS/4.33) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist I amusing Ovation Pro 2.70 on a SA RiscPC with 4.33 OS. I am compiling a booklet from my wifes writings by creating a new document and inserting new chapters for each section and then loading each one by dragging the pages from another into the new chapter. I get an error message 'Ovation Pro has suffered an internal error type=3 and must quit' The stage it fails is after creating the new chapter and having loading the file to be copied across, in another OP window, and clicking on the select all icon. By selecting the text using the mouse and then the copy to clipboard and using insert in the new document it works OK. So the failure is only associated with the select all icon. Also could someone indicate how to modify an existing chapter to be based on another/previous, it can be done on when creating a new one but not an existing as the area is greyed out. Cheers Peter -- Peter Prewett, Coromandel Valley, South Australia -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jul 11 02:07:23 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19amMm-1-1BJ-1g.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 02:07:23 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19amMm-1-1BJ-1g; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 01:06:28 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.32]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id aa0103458; 11 Jul 2003 1:05 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19amMA-0000Y0-00; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 02:05:50 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h6B15Da06593 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 02:05:13 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h6B15B006585 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 02:05:12 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 19amLX-0007Jn-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 02:05:11 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 02:03:46 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP Printing problems References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >I then inserted the pages that had been printed in the printer and then >selected it to print the reverse and left and the first four pages were >blank, they should not have been, and then a few others OK and but they >were not in sequence so ended up doing each page that was missed and >redoing some that had the wrong page number to match the reverse. >Any clues what I did wrong? No idea, I'd really have to see an example of the document - as usual it could easily be a bug, perhaps one set off by the construction of the document, but on the other hand things may be working correctly, but not as expected. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jul 11 02:09:24 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19amOr-1-3LJ-17.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 02:09:24 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19amOr-1-3LJ-17; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 01:08:37 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.30]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id aa0109550; 11 Jul 2003 1:08 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19amOC-0001VC-00; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 02:07:56 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h6B17rc06897 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 02:07:53 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h6B17rK06894 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 02:07:53 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 19amO9-0007CD-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 02:07:53 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 02:06:33 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] type=3 error References: <63948f0f4c.pprewett@chariot.net.au> In-Reply-To: <63948f0f4c.pprewett@chariot.net.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Hi, >I get an error message 'Ovation Pro has suffered an internal error >type=3 and must quit' I'm sorry to hear that, if I repeat the steps it doesn't crash for me. Which only means it is something more specific. >Also could someone indicate how to modify an existing chapter to be >based on another/previous, it can be done on when creating a new one >but not an existing as the area is greyed out. Can't be done in the current program. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jul 11 15:56:58 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1057935360:11:21285:37".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 15:56:58 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1057935360:11:21285:37; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 14:56:00 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.30]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1117941; 11 Jul 2003 14:54 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19azHb-0000XQ-00; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 15:53:59 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h6BEr6219810 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 15:53:06 +0100 Received: from mk-smarthost-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.40]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h6BEr2p19789 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 15:53:03 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [80.40.54.146] (helo=acld75.ukgateway.net) by mk-smarthost-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 4.14) id 19azGb-0002OX-N7 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 15:52:58 +0100 Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 15:51:23 +0100 From: george To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] ArcFax problem Message-ID: X-Organization: home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.03) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Dear David I have installed ArcFax 1.10 from floppy on a Kinetic RPC/VF2 running RO 4.03. My modem is a Jetway 56000. I have downloaded the v.1.19 upgrade and created a new directory for it, and downloaded the Class IVJ driver and put it in the ArcFax.Driver new directory. I cannot reliably get ArcFax to load on the Icon bar: usually double clicking on it freezes the machine, forcing a reboot. Sometimes however it does load, but the icon is greyed. Sometimes I can load the previous 1.10 version. 9 times out of 10 it fails to load and hangs the machine. I have tried quitting all other modem-using programs (DialUp, MessengerPro and Oregano) but this makes no difference. I have checked that the modem is switched on. My modem is set currently to a speed of 115200 (other choices are 57600 and 19200) The modem interface is set to InternalPC, port 0. Any idea what the problem is? Many thanks George -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jul 11 19:12:35 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1057947130:10:05563:46".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 19:12:35 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1057947130:10:05563:46; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 18:12:10 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.30]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1112972; 11 Jul 2003 18:11 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19b2Mr-0002RO-00; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 19:11:37 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h6BIB4G19593 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 19:11:04 +0100 Received: from mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (mta06-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.46]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h6BIB3A19589 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 19:11:03 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from dhcppc1 ([213.106.195.149]) by mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20030711181102.UYZL16215.mta06-svc.ntlworld.com@dhcppc1> for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 19:11:02 +0100 Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 19:10:12 +0100 From: Roger Noble To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Message-ID: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (MsgServe/2.02) (RISC-OS/4.36) POPstar/2.05 Subject: [softwarelist] Postscript file sizes X-Editor: Zap 1.45 (06 Nov 2002), ZapEmail 0.26 (03 Nov 2002) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist I have just noticed the following when printing a document containing three jpegs of about 500K in size. All are using Printers+ 1.91 to a postscript file, and with RISC OS 4.36. Ovation version File size (monochrome) File size (colour) Ovation Pro 2.60 625846 625870 Ovation Pro 2.70 2303890 9917628 Apart from the presence or otherwise of colour, all of the files display the same using RiScript, except that the ones produced by 2.70 obviously take longer. I am not sure when the larger files started happening, but I have a postscript file produced on the 24 Oct 2002 which is 1454652 bytes in size, and one produced from the same document (apart from one typo change in an embedded Artworks picture) is now 15257626 bytes, or around 10 times larger. Does anyone else get this? Roger Noble -- Roger Noble rgnoble@ntlworld.com rgn@jb.man.ac.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jul 11 22:19:08 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1057958344:21:15326:1107".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 22:19:08 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1057958344:21:15326:1107; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 21:19:04 GMT Received: from smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.32]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2104351; 11 Jul 2003 21:17 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19b5Gh-0004VB-00; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 22:17:27 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h6BLGtS01562 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 22:16:55 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h6BLGrX01555 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 22:16:53 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 19b5G8-0005AK-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 22:16:52 +0100 Message-ID: <1MerppE0jyD$Ewa+@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 22:15:32 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] ArcFax problem References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Hi, >running RO 4.03. My modem is a Jetway 56000. I have downloaded the v.1.19 >upgrade and created a new directory for it, and downloaded the Class IVJ >driver and put it in the ArcFax.Driver new directory. ... and chosen it as the current modem driver from ArcFax choices? >ArcFax to load on the Icon bar: usually double clicking on it freezes the Are you sure it stiffs the machine, i.e. be patient, ArcFax may just be arguing with the modem (perhaps you can observe this from the LED's). >machine, forcing a reboot. Sometimes however it does load, but the icon is >greyed. Which backs up the idea that ArcFax and the modem are arguing, after enough time ArcFax will give up, load on the icon bar greyed out. You can then Adjust click it to attempt to talk to the modem again. > Sometimes I can load the previous 1.10 version. I don't believe you're using 1.10, that's just what it says on the disc label (and it doesn't mean that is the exact version). >difference. I have checked that the modem is switched on. My modem is set >currently to a speed of 115200 (other choices are 57600 and 19200) The modem >interface is set to InternalPC, port 0. None of that applies to ArcFax unless you've been editing script files. Changing the modem DTE speed in the Class1VJ driver might be a solution. Opening the debug window, and observing what is going on - after an Adjust click would probably be illuminating. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jul 11 22:27:12 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19b5PJ-3-4QY-RQ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 22:27:12 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19b5PJ-3-4QY-RQ; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 21:26:21 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.32]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id aa0315381; 11 Jul 2003 21:19 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19b5Iq-0004hj-00; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 22:19:40 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h6BLJb802069 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 22:19:37 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h6BLJZL02062 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 22:19:35 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 19b5Ik-0007bX-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 22:19:34 +0100 Message-ID: <1sarh8EmmyD$Ew46@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 22:18:30 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Postscript file sizes References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Hi, >Ovation version File size (monochrome) File size (colour) >Ovation Pro 2.60 625846 625870 >Ovation Pro 2.70 2303890 9917628 That's interesting (and worrying too). Obvious thing look at the PS output and observe what is different. From the other end, there's a lot of scope, some things perfectly correct, like the above versions of OP have different applets loaded. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jul 11 23:23:40 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19b6I9-2-797-o.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 23:23:40 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19b6I9-2-797-o; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 22:23:01 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.30]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id aa0225856; 11 Jul 2003 22:22 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19b6HJ-0006T8-00; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 23:22:09 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h6BMLXm16208 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 23:21:33 +0100 Received: from smtp.aaisp.net.uk (IDENT:HYmLmT+m/icdFjZWFwktK7EbP4LUCUIf@useless.aaisp.net.uk [217.169.20.27]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h6BMLTh16189 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 23:21:31 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [81.2.115.178] (helo=ghc) by smtp.aaisp.net.uk with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 19b6Ge-00027h-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 23:21:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Gavin Crawford To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 23:24:24 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Postscript file sizes Message-ID: <4c108bb78cgav@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <1sarh8EmmyD$Ew46@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <1sarh8EmmyD$Ew46@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article <1sarh8EmmyD$Ew46@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > >Ovation version File size (monochrome) File size (colour) > >Ovation Pro 2.60 625846 625870 > >Ovation Pro 2.70 2303890 9917628 > That's interesting (and worrying too). > Obvious thing look at the PS output and observe what is different. > From the other end, there's a lot of scope, some things perfectly > correct, like the above versions of OP have different applets loaded. Roger is correct. I'm still using 2.67 so have not noticed this but OPro2.70 seems to have a problem with printing jpegs. It is not embedding the jpegs in the PostScript output, but printing them through the PS PrintDriver as a sprites - resulting in much bigger files. David, it seems that OPro 2.70 is treating the jpeg as a sprite within the document. This can be seen in a 256 colour mode as the pictured is not being dithered the same as it is in 2.67. I'm very surprised no one has seen this before now. I wonder if this is related to the problems I've previously discussed with you, when a jpeg is processed (and then prints as a sprite) but is NOT turned back into a jpeg when the Process Default button is clicked. Gav -- Gavin Crawford email: gav@crawford-print.co.uk web: www.crawford-print.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Jul 12 00:32:14 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19b7Mn-3-6TM-9F.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 00:32:14 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19b7Mn-3-6TM-9F; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 23:31:53 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.32]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id aa0309463; 11 Jul 2003 23:14 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19b75N-0003ao-00; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 00:13:53 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h6BNDjR26889 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 00:13:45 +0100 Received: from smtp.mailbox.co.uk (smtp.mailbox.net.uk [195.82.125.32]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h6BNDjr26886 for ; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 00:13:45 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [212.18.234.229] (helo=bd39.argonet.co.uk) by smtp.mailbox.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19b75E-0003jo-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 00:13:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Owl-Art Un-Ltd." To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 00:13:14 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] New Applet suggestion Message-ID: <4c1090303eowlart@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist An idea for an applet has occured to me, but I don't know how to do it (having never writen one before). I'd like to be able to take athe selected text and resize it so that it just fits on one line in the width of the current frame (eg. making a headline fit). It would have to: *read selected text *read selected font *read width of frame *calculate point size needed to get test to fit to frame width Having never writen an applet (or indeed anything in C / pseudo-C ) I don't know quite how feasible this would be. 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U.K. | +----------------------------------------+---------------------------------+ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Jul 12 02:16:05 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1057972518:21:16144:91".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 02:16:05 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1057972518:21:16144:91; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 01:15:18 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.30]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2117787; 12 Jul 2003 1:15 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19b8yU-0008Eg-00; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 02:14:54 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h6C1EV712486 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 02:14:31 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h6C1EVX12480 for ; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 02:14:31 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 19b8y6-0000jH-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 02:14:30 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 02:12:55 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Postscript file sizes References: <1sarh8EmmyD$Ew46@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c108bb78cgav@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4c108bb78cgav@crawford-print.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >I'm still using 2.67 so have not noticed this but OPro2.70 seems to >have a problem with printing jpegs. It is not embedding the jpegs in >the PostScript output, but printing them through the PS PrintDriver as >a sprites - resulting in much bigger files. That sounds plausible. The way things work is that OP sees if it can render JPEG's whole - by calling various SWI's and seeing if it gets an error (does this version of RISC OS support transformed JPEG rendering). If RISC OS can't handle the JPEG then it is rendered to a sprite and the sprite is rendered. This rendering via sprite is also used if image processing is in effect on the image. >I wonder if this is related to the problems I've previously discussed >with you, when a jpeg is processed (and then prints as a sprite) but is >NOT turned back into a jpeg when the Process Default button is clicked. Problem is that there is no way to turn off image processing. Once you've used it, it is on, and the JPEG will always be rendered via sprite. Anyway I'd better go look at 2.70... -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Jul 12 13:53:53 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1057976403:21:25436:70".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 13:53:53 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1057976403:21:25436:70; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 02:20:03 GMT Received: from smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.32]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2126209; 12 Jul 2003 2:19 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19b9yy-0005st-00; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 03:19:28 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h6C2Id020002 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 03:18:39 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h6C2IdI19999 for ; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 03:18:39 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19b9yA-0001Te-0W for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 03:18:38 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 03:17:21 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Postscript file sizes References: <1sarh8EmmyD$Ew46@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c108bb78cgav@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >>I'm still using 2.67 so have not noticed this but OPro2.70 seems to >>have a problem with printing jpegs. It is not embedding the jpegs in >Anyway I'd better go look at 2.70... Yes 2.70 always renders JPEG's via sprites. I may regret saying this tomorrow, but it appears this is due to a compiler bug. Making a change to the code which does not change the meaning, results in a program that works correctly. I wonder Roger if you are actually printing documents with JPEG's in? The example PS output you sent seems to show one version of the program using PS clipping and (perhaps) the other one rendering via a masked sprite. So all a bit of a mess. I'm sorry about this, and I'll get a 2.71 out asap. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jul 15 22:22:50 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19blqm-4-61O-24.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 22:22:50 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19blqm-4-61O-24; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 18:45:32 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.32]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id aa0421771; 13 Jul 2003 18:44 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19blpZ-0002qn-00; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 19:44:17 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h6DIhJn01132 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 19:43:19 +0100 Received: from mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (mta02-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.42]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h6DIhIL01129 for ; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 19:43:18 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from gwen ([80.5.187.176]) by mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20030713184317.LDSD4771.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@gwen> for ; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 19:43:17 +0100 From: "Nick Kaijaks" To: Subject: RE: [softwarelist] Re: Postscript file sizes Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 19:43:49 +0100 Message-ID: <000d01c3496e$b65c7a50$3300a8c0@gwen> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4c108bb78cgav@crawford-print.co.uk> Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Gavin Crawford wrote: > Roger is correct. > > I'm still using 2.67 so have not noticed this but OPro2.70 seems to > have a problem with printing jpegs. It is not embedding the jpegs in > the PostScript output, but printing them through the PS PrintDriver as > a sprites - resulting in much bigger files. > I'm very surprised no one has seen this before now. Ah, that explains why I was getting masking artifacts when printing a file with a JPEG in to PDF a couple of weeks ago. I thought I was losing it! TTFN, Nick -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jul 15 22:22:52 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19bpiY-3-3Ho-11.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 22:22:52 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19bpiY-3-3Ho-11; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 22:53:18 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.30]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id aa0308919; 13 Jul 2003 22:51 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19bpgB-0005ri-00; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 23:50:51 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h6DMoHi29601 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 23:50:17 +0100 Received: from smtp.aaisp.net.uk (IDENT:fpogrhXg8Ce0ot/VEoJhcKdwsAl4JzM9@useless.aaisp.net.uk [217.169.20.27]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h6DMoEG29588 for ; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 23:50:16 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [81.2.115.178] (helo=ghc) by smtp.aaisp.net.uk with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 19bpfZ-0003I0-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 23:50:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Gavin Crawford To: "Ovation Pro" Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 23:53:11 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Postscript file sizes Message-ID: <4c11960639gav@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <000d01c3498f$07cd6c80$6502a8c0@padua> References: <000d01c3496e$b65c7a50$3300a8c0@gwen> <000d01c3498f$07cd6c80$6502a8c0@padua> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article <000d01c3498f$07cd6c80$6502a8c0@padua>, Tonnie Demarteau wrote: > On Sunday, July 13, 2003 7:43 PM, > Nick Kaijaks wrote: > > Gavin Crawford wrote: > >> Roger is correct. > >> > >> I'm still using 2.67 so have not noticed this but OPro2.70 seems > >> to have a problem with printing jpegs. It is not embedding the > >> jpegs in the PostScript output, but printing them through the PS > >> PrintDriver as a sprites - resulting in much bigger files. > > > >> I'm very surprised no one has seen this before now. > > > > Ah, that explains why I was getting masking artifacts when printing > > a file with a JPEG in to PDF a couple of weeks ago. I thought I was > > losing it! > It doesn't happen, when the JPEGs are in a DrawFile in a picture > frame. It does here. When printing to PostScript, OPro 2.70 is printing JPEGs as Sprites through the PS printer driver even when the JPEG is embedded in a Drawfile. Where as 2.67 includes the JPEG directly in the PostScript output (as it should) when printing the same document. But as Martin pointed out: > Until then, a workaround to print a JPEG to PostScript from > OvationPro is to put it in an ArtWorks file and drop the ArtWorks > file into OP. This allows the AWRender module to handle the printing > of the JPEG. This requires ArtWorks with the JPEGObject module > (standard in ArtWorks 2) and AWRender 1.37 or higher, which most > people should have installed by now. ...works correctly. Although anyone who may be preparing documents for colour work, where the document is to be printed as separations, should be aware that the AWRender module wont colour separate the JPEGs in ArtWorks files, even though OPro will colour separate JPEGs when included directly in an OPro frame or embedded in a Drawfile. For most people this isn't particularly relevant. Where it matters a great deal is when printing the document to a Colour PostScript device to create a colour proof, then printing the same document as separations to a monochrome device (such as an imagesetter) to get the individual plate images. The result is: for JPEGs in ArtWorks files the full JPEG is included on each plate separation, including any spot colour plates. Gav -- Gavin Crawford email: gav@crawford-print.co.uk web: www.crawford-print.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jul 15 22:22:59 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19byOn-4-7DN-3z.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 22:22:59 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19byOn-4-7DN-3z; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 08:09:29 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.31]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id aa0429036; 14 Jul 2003 8:08 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19byNY-0005zf-00; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 09:08:12 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h6E87h215193 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 09:07:43 +0100 Received: from gadolinium.btinternet.com (gadolinium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.111]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h6E87gX15186 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 09:07:42 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from host81-134-135-14.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([81.134.135.14] helo=baskerville.english.co.uk) by gadolinium.btinternet.com with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #23) id 19byN3-0000hA-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 09:07:41 +0100 Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20030714084742.037bde58@pop3.btclick.com> X-Sender: dgraddol@pop3.btclick.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 09:07:40 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Graddol Subject: [softwarelist] Ov Pro for windows bug? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist I had OvPro fired up on the PC over the weekend to open some OvPro files from across the network. It's good to see a familiar friend appear on the windows screen! However, after a while I discovered that the machine was rather unresponsive. I checked the task manager and found that a process called ovnpro.exe was hogging 98% of cpu time. I quit Ovation Pro but the process still remained active in the task manager list. I stopped the process from within task manager and restarted Ovation Pro. The ovnpro.exe process restarted but now with a low cpu usage - in other words, when I restarted, things seemed OK. Any idea what might be happening here? I haven't been able to reproduce the problem yet, but obviously, the thought of having a rogue process taking over the machine is a bit worrying. David -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jul 15 22:22:59 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19bzwH-1-77V-2N.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 22:22:59 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19bzwH-1-77V-2N; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 09:48:09 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.32]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id aa0125287; 14 Jul 2003 9:47 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19bzvG-0006vP-00; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 10:47:06 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h6E9l2D15310 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 10:47:02 +0100 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.189]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h6E9l1P15306 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 10:47:01 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.161] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19bzvB-0004f7-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 11:47:01 +0200 Received: from [172.178.52.134] (helo=goedel) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19bzvA-0003uP-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 11:47:01 +0200 Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 11:47:36 +0200 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Postscript file sizes Message-ID: <2ff0d1114c.martin@mw-software.com> References: <4c11960639gav@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4c11960639gav@crawford-print.co.uk> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (MsgServe/2.02) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.04-pre2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message <4c11960639gav@crawford-print.co.uk> Gavin Crawford wrote: > But as Martin pointed out: > > > Until then, a workaround to print a JPEG to PostScript from > > OvationPro is to put it in an ArtWorks file and drop the ArtWorks > > file into OP. This allows the AWRender module to handle the printing > > of the JPEG. This requires ArtWorks with the JPEGObject module > > (standard in ArtWorks 2) and AWRender 1.37 or higher, which most > > people should have installed by now. > > ...works correctly. > > Although anyone who may be preparing documents for colour work, where > the document is to be printed as separations, should be aware that the > AWRender module wont colour separate the JPEGs in ArtWorks files, even > though OPro will colour separate JPEGs when included directly in an > OPro frame or embedded in a Drawfile. Yes, this is an unfortunate omission for the time being. I think I will correct this soon - first in ArtWorks 2 itself, then in AWRender. Of course, as soon as you want separations, each JPEG will always have to be printed as a sprite rather than a JPEG so the expanded bitmap ends up in the PostScript stream, so this discussion about getting small PostScript files is only relevant for composite colour printing. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jul 15 22:23:13 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1058036867:10:20500:38".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 22:23:13 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1058036867:10:20500:38; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 19:07:47 GMT Received: from smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.32]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1127869; 12 Jul 2003 19:07 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19bPiD-0006UI-00; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 20:07:13 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h6CJ5ep13489 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 20:05:40 +0100 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.185]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h6CJ5dg13485 for ; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 20:05:39 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.205] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19bPgh-0004Xr-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 21:05:39 +0200 Received: from [213.6.48.154] (helo=goedel) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19bPgg-0001Cq-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 21:05:39 +0200 Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 21:06:16 +0200 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Postscript file sizes Message-ID: References: <1sarh8EmmyD$Ew46@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c108bb78cgav@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (MsgServe/2.02) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.04-pre2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message David Pilling wrote: > >>I'm still using 2.67 so have not noticed this but OPro2.70 seems to > >>have a problem with printing jpegs. It is not embedding the jpegs in > >Anyway I'd better go look at 2.70... > > Yes 2.70 always renders JPEG's via sprites. > > I may regret saying this tomorrow, but it appears this is due to a > compiler bug. Making a change to the code which does not change the > meaning, results in a program that works correctly. > > I wonder Roger if you are actually printing documents with JPEG's in? > The example PS output you sent seems to show one version of the program > using PS clipping and (perhaps) the other one rendering via a masked > sprite. > > So all a bit of a mess. I'm sorry about this, and I'll get a 2.71 out > asap. Until then, a workaround to print a JPEG to PostScript from OvationPro is to put it in an ArtWorks file and drop the ArtWorks file into OP. This allows the AWRender module to handle the printing of the JPEG. This requires ArtWorks with the JPEGObject module (standard in ArtWorks 2) and AWRender 1.37 or higher, which most people should have installed by now. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jul 15 22:23:17 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1058132083:10:07948:44".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 22:23:17 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1058132083:10:07948:44; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 21:34:43 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.31]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1121117; 13 Jul 2003 21:33 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19boTV-00070f-00; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 22:33:41 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h6DLX1B10453 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 22:33:01 +0100 Received: from smtpq1.home.nl (smtpq1.home.nl [213.51.128.196]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h6DLX0K10445 for ; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 22:33:00 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [213.51.128.133] (port=53863 helo=smtp2.home.nl) by smtpq1.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19boSp-0004Cs-GV for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 23:32:59 +0200 Received: from cp418204-a.dbsch1.nb.home.nl ([217.123.44.165]:55798 helo=padua) by smtp2.home.nl with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 19boSm-0003v0-UB for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 23:32:56 +0200 Message-ID: <000d01c3498f$07cd6c80$6502a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: "Ovation Pro" References: <000d01c3496e$b65c7a50$3300a8c0@gwen> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Postscript file sizes Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 23:34:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-MailScanner-Information: Neem contact op met support@home.nl voor meer informatie X-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On Sunday, July 13, 2003 7:43 PM, Nick Kaijaks wrote: > Gavin Crawford wrote: >> Roger is correct. >> >> I'm still using 2.67 so have not noticed this but OPro2.70 seems to >> have a problem with printing jpegs. It is not embedding the jpegs in >> the PostScript output, but printing them through the PS PrintDriver >> as a sprites - resulting in much bigger files. > >> I'm very surprised no one has seen this before now. > > Ah, that explains why I was getting masking artifacts when printing a > file with a JPEG in to PDF a couple of weeks ago. I thought I was > losing it! It doesn't happen, when the JPEGs are in a DrawFile in a picture frame. Past week I made an one-page OP doc with 56 small sprite-files (6MB), containing a DrawFile with about the same size. I changed the sprites to JPEG and the resulting OP page is (in Windows and RISC OS) 557 KB. I hit another problem. The idea was to put all these small pictures in the same 'irregular' frame. I installed the newframe applet and used a little drawfile: 1.54 KB I created the frame: saved OPdoc: 14.7K Made 8 copies /duplicates: this took a long time: saved doc *3,593* KB, that is almost 4MB for 8 empty frames ... Next I saved both as DDL: the doc with 1 empty frame: 6.24 KB, the doc with 8 empty frames: 26 KB I skipped the idea and put it all on a drawfile, in which I filled the frames with JPEG's. Fortunately, the small size of the JPEG's in the DrawFile inside Ovation Pro was preserved. When I had these 56 bitmaps in OP -without the planned frames- I had a file of over 20 MB. The .pdf was about 850 KB (300 dpi setting and bigger bitmaps, but clipped). Resulting pdf's: less than 200 KB in Acrobat, about 450 KB in !RiScript Pro. With these two simple 'things': small JPEGS and irregular frames, it is very easy to create even one-page 'huge' documents ... :-) Tonnie -- Mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jul 15 22:23:20 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1058175660:10:00353:170".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 22:23:20 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1058175660:10:00353:170; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 09:41:00 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.31]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1104161; 14 Jul 2003 9:40 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19bznP-00070F-00; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 10:38:59 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h6E9cPj12614 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 10:38:25 +0100 Received: from mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.39]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h6E9cNf12589 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 10:38:23 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [80.225.220.54] (helo=acld75.ukgateway.net) by mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 4.14) id 19bzmi-0003a2-2a for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 10:38:16 +0100 Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 10:37:26 +0100 From: george To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] ArcFax problem Message-ID: References: <1MerppE0jyD$Ewa+@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <1MerppE0jyD$Ewa+@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.03) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message <1MerppE0jyD$Ewa+@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: [snipped] downloaded the Class IVJ > >driver and put it in the ArcFax.Driver new directory. > > ... and chosen it as the current modem driver from ArcFax choices? Yes. > > >ArcFax to load on the Icon bar: usually double clicking on it freezes the > > Are you sure it stiffs the machine, i.e. be patient, ArcFax may just be > arguing with the modem (perhaps you can observe this from the LED's). It wasn't with v.1.19, but see below. [snipped] > > > Sometimes I can load the previous 1.10 version. > > I don't believe you're using 1.10, that's just what it says on the disc > label > (and it doesn't mean that is the exact version). Quite right: it's v.1.16, and it works! I put the Class IVJ driver in its driver directory and selected it using the ArcFax-Configure-Modem dialogue. It will now install on the icon bar and I can Adjust-click to select/deselect it. Has 1.19 got Select-specific updates BTW? It definitely doesn't work with ROS 4.03 (at least on my machine). Thanks for the help. Cheers George ---- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jul 15 22:23:21 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1058188365:11:28267:43".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 22:23:21 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1058188365:11:28267:43; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 13:12:45 GMT Received: from smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.32]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1128666; 14 Jul 2003 13:12 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19c36U-0004HJ-00; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 14:10:54 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h6EDA6h31131 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 14:10:06 +0100 Received: from smtpq1.home.nl (smtpq1.home.nl [213.51.128.196]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h6EDA1K31099 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 14:10:02 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [213.51.128.135] (port=59192 helo=smtp4.home.nl) by smtpq1.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19c35d-0000qi-7D for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 15:10:01 +0200 Received: from cp418204-a.dbsch1.nb.home.nl ([217.123.44.165]:55598 helo=padua) by smtp4.home.nl with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 19c35b-00053a-Jp for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 15:09:59 +0200 Message-ID: <001201c34a11$ef978550$6502a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: "Ovation Pro" References: <000d01c3496e$b65c7a50$3300a8c0@gwen> <000d01c3498f$07cd6c80$6502a8c0@padua> <4c11960639gav@crawford-print.co.uk> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Postscript file sizes Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 15:12:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-MailScanner-Information: Neem contact op met support@home.nl voor meer informatie X-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On Sunday, July 13, 2003 11:53 PM, Gavin Crawford wrote: > In article <000d01c3498f$07cd6c80$6502a8c0@padua>, > Tonnie Demarteau wrote: >> On Sunday, July 13, 2003 7:43 PM, >> Nick Kaijaks wrote: > >>> Gavin Crawford wrote: >>>> Roger is correct. >>>> >>>> I'm still using 2.67 so have not noticed this but OPro2.70 seems >>>> to have a problem with printing jpegs. It is not embedding the >>>> jpegs in the PostScript output, but printing them through the PS >>>> PrintDriver as a sprites - resulting in much bigger files. >>> >>>> I'm very surprised no one has seen this before now. >>> >>> Ah, that explains why I was getting masking artifacts when printing >>> a file with a JPEG in to PDF a couple of weeks ago. I thought I was >>> losing it! > >> It doesn't happen, when the JPEGs are in a DrawFile in a picture >> frame. > > It does here. > > When printing to PostScript, OPro 2.70 is printing JPEGs as Sprites > through the PS printer driver even when the JPEG is embedded in a > Drawfile. Where as 2.67 includes the JPEG directly in the PostScript > output (as it should) when printing the same document. Yes, I was wrong. Got a new (fresh) look on my files. My sprites and JPEG's -with the same width and height- hadn't the same dpi ... . Sorry for this error, but I seem to be rewarded with the following 'good' info! > > But as Martin pointed out: > >> Until then, a workaround to print a JPEG to PostScript from >> OvationPro is to put it in an ArtWorks file and drop the ArtWorks >> file into OP. This allows the AWRender module to handle the printing >> of the JPEG. This requires ArtWorks with the JPEGObject module >> (standard in ArtWorks 2) and AWRender 1.37 or higher, which most >> people should have installed by now. > > ...works correctly. > > Although anyone who may be preparing documents for colour work, where > the document is to be printed as separations, should be aware that the > AWRender module wont colour separate the JPEGs in ArtWorks files, even > though OPro will colour separate JPEGs when included directly in an > OPro frame or embedded in a Drawfile. > > For most people this isn't particularly relevant. Where it matters a > great deal is when printing the document to a Colour PostScript device > to create a colour proof, then printing the same document as > separations to a monochrome device (such as an imagesetter) to get the > individual plate images. The result is: for JPEGs in ArtWorks files > the full JPEG is included on each plate separation, including any spot > colour plates. > Thanks for the additional info and explanation. You and Martin. I'll give it a try with Artworks. Tonnie -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jul 15 22:23:22 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1058206141:10:13290:70".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 22:23:22 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1058206141:10:13290:70; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 18:09:01 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.31]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1114833; 14 Jul 2003 18:08 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19c7k7-000707-00; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 19:08:07 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h6EI7VF08452 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 19:07:31 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h6EI7Qv08432 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 19:07:31 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19c6fy-000Enk-0V for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 17:59:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: "Ovation Pro" Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 15:34:55 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Postscript file sizes Message-ID: <4c11ec3e01Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4c11960639gav@crawford-print.co.uk> References: <000d01c3496e$b65c7a50$3300a8c0@gwen> <000d01c3498f$07cd6c80$6502a8c0@padua> <4c11960639gav@crawford-print.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article <4c11960639gav@crawford-print.co.uk>, Gavin Crawford wrote: > > It doesn't happen, when the JPEGs are in a DrawFile in a picture > > frame. > It does here. Could it have anything to do with whether images are proxied or not? -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jul 15 22:23:37 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1058145608:21:14896:44".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 22:23:37 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1058145608:21:14896:44; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 01:20:08 GMT Received: from smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.32]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2114074; 14 Jul 2003 1:19 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19brzv-0002Bd-00; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 02:19:23 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h6E1IoX20465 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 02:18:50 +0100 Received: from newman.its.waikato.ac.nz (newman.its.waikato.ac.nz [130.217.66.62]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h6E1ImP20459 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 02:18:49 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from freja (freja.cs.waikato.ac.nz [130.217.248.25]) by newman.its.waikato.ac.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2CC01277B3 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 13:18:40 +1200 (NZST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Keith Hopper To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 13:20:06 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] DplngScan type 5 on Iyonix Message-ID: <4c11e564a3kh@waikato.ac.nz> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Greetings, I am slowly getting my way around a new Iyonix machine and finding lots of weird occurrences in relation to various applications/utilities. This morning I have been trying out DplgScan and Photodesk (the 32-bit version). I have been using the images on the Photodesk Digisnaps CD - all TIFF files. DplngScan handles some of them with no problem. However, when loading a large percentage of them it comes up with the error message - 'unrecoverable error in run-time system; free failed (heap overwritten) sometimes twice before disappearing off the icon bar. The image Underwater.reef/tif presents this problem - but the image Places.missio/tif does not - to give two concrete examples. Has anyone else come across this? Is it a configuration problem? Any help most gratefully received. Regards to all, Keith Hopper -- City Desk Waikato University [PGP key available if desired] -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jul 15 22:43:46 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1058305413:21:06459:59".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 22:43:46 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1058305413:21:06459:59; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 21:43:33 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.31]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2105952; 15 Jul 2003 21:42 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19cXYi-000789-00; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 22:42:04 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h6FLfUe14272 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 22:41:30 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h6FLfTQ14266 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 22:41:30 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 19cXY9-0006QU-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 22:41:29 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 22:39:55 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] DplngScan type 5 on Iyonix References: <4c11e564a3kh@waikato.ac.nz> In-Reply-To: <4c11e564a3kh@waikato.ac.nz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >'unrecoverable error in run-time system; free failed (heap overwritten) >sometimes twice before disappearing off the icon bar. > The image Underwater.reef/tif presents this problem - but the image >Places.missio/tif does not - to give two concrete examples. No idea. Send me (by private email) an example, and I'll give it a go. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jul 15 23:02:55 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19cXs8-4-4jc-n.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 23:02:55 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19cXs8-4-4jc-n; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 22:02:08 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.32]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id aa0415028; 15 Jul 2003 22:01 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19cXqc-0006XX-00; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 23:00:34 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h6FM0Pp19440 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 23:00:25 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h6FM0Nh19432 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 23:00:24 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19cXqR-0001jA-0X for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 23:00:23 +0100 Message-ID: <+Js5IZEnkHF$EwaL@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 22:59:03 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] ArcFax problem References: <1MerppE0jyD$Ewa+@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >Has 1.19 got Select-specific updates BTW? No. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jul 15 23:37:13 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1058308599:21:00227:372".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 23:37:13 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1058308599:21:00227:372; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 22:36:39 GMT Received: from smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.32]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2115137; 15 Jul 2003 22:31 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19cYJO-0000eg-00; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 23:30:18 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h6FMU7G27738 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 23:30:07 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h6FMU5t27729 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 23:30:05 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 19cYJB-0007k4-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 23:30:05 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 23:28:41 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ov Pro for windows bug? References: <5.2.1.1.0.20030714084742.037bde58@pop3.btclick.com> In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20030714084742.037bde58@pop3.btclick.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Hi, >rather unresponsive. I checked the task manager and >found that a process called ovnpro.exe was hogging 98% >Any idea what might be happening here? I haven't been >able to reproduce the problem yet, but obviously, the >thought of having a rogue process taking over the >machine is a bit worrying. No idea, and its the usual thing of give me an example and how an example would be so interesting. I'd guess some part of OP is stuck in a loop. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Jul 17 02:56:11 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.