From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jul 1 23:57:37 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1057100203:20:09201:70".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 23:57:37 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1057100203:20:09201:70; Tue, 01 Jul 2003 22:56:43 GMT Received: from smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.32]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2103477; 1 Jul 2003 22:56 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19XU30-0002e6-00; Tue, 01 Jul 2003 23:56:26 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h61Mtmh29773 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 23:55:48 +0100 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.171]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h61Mtj329760 for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 23:55:46 +0100 Received: from [212.227.126.162] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19XU2L-0007nc-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 02 Jul 2003 00:55:45 +0200 Received: from [172.178.87.201] (helo=goedel) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19XU2K-0003Gw-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 02 Jul 2003 00:55:45 +0200 Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 00:12:27 +0200 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP - Windows version Message-ID: <7a43640b4c.martin@mw-software.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (MsgServe/2.02) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.04-pre2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message Denys Wells wrote: > > On Thu 26 Jun, Martin Wuerthner wrote: > > > So, what are "the clipping problems"? There are various under RISC > > > OS but not in OvationPro as far as I am aware. > > When I experienced the 'clipping' a long time ago, someone told me the > problem is a basic fault in !Draw. I now tend to use DPlingScan to crop > any oversize graphics to desired size if clipping may be a problem. No, there is no basic fault in !Draw (the application), nor in Draw (the module). It is just the case that RISC OS (before version 5) has no operating system support for clipping and implementing it in an application is a bit tricky so the RiScript authors did not do it. > [snip] > > > Of course, if you use RiScript to produce the PDF you will most certainly > > > run into RiScript's clipping problems. That is a limitation in RiScript > > > and has nothing to do with OP. > > If my information above is right, this explains why the problem also occurs > with !RiScript, as this outputs PS and PDF files as Drawfiles. It would be trivial to retain the clipping and put it in the generated PDF file. Whether you go through a Draw file or not does not make any difference because it would be no problem to put the clipping information in the intermediate Draw file. Converting the clipping from PS to PDF is really easy. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jul 2 02:08:42 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1057108062:10:29724:48".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 02:08:42 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1057108062:10:29724:48; Wed, 02 Jul 2003 01:07:42 GMT Received: from smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.32]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1113794; 2 Jul 2003 1:07 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19XW5Y-0001HT-00; Wed, 02 Jul 2003 02:07:12 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h6216cR31284 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 02:06:38 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h6216bs31279 for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 02:06:37 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19XW4x-000NjU-0W for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 02 Jul 2003 02:06:35 +0100 Message-ID: <7J04IjRR$iA$EwCr@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 02:05:21 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] John M Ward References: <7a43640b4c.martin@mw-software.com> In-Reply-To: <7a43640b4c.martin@mw-software.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Hi, Anyone know John M Ward's email address? I'm getting bounces from his (old?) address, but not the one subscribed to the list -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jul 2 13:53:22 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19XZbU-1-e7-2G.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 13:53:22 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19XZbU-1-e7-2G; Wed, 02 Jul 2003 04:52:24 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.32]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id aa0101930; 2 Jul 2003 4:52 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19XZaz-0006J6-00; Wed, 02 Jul 2003 05:51:53 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h624pLj13937 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 05:51:21 +0100 Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h624pKp13926 for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 05:51:20 +0100 Received: from [62.188.112.150] (helo=argonet.co.uk) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19XZaP-0004Uz-J0 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 02 Jul 2003 05:51:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Graham Jenkins To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 06:51:05 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Spellcheck in O Pro, repeated words. Message-ID: <4c0b0a6aadjenpyjay@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4c0ac95127pnyoung@argonet.co.uk> References: <4c0ac95127pnyoung@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.02f (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.04-pre2 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 30 Jun, Dr P.N.Young wrote: > I'm still using 2.66. having not (yet?) got an Iyonix > (BTW, how do you pronounce it?). I say 'eye-on-ix' with emphasised syllable 'on'. Others may be different!. Cheers - -- Graham N P Jenkins jenpyjay@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jul 2 13:53:24 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19XcUv-1-2YX-5D.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 13:53:24 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19XcUv-1-2YX-5D; Wed, 02 Jul 2003 07:57:49 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.32]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id aa0105339; 2 Jul 2003 7:55 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19XcSh-0008Pg-00; Wed, 02 Jul 2003 08:55:31 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h627t2P20288 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 08:55:02 +0100 Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h627t0G20275 for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 08:55:01 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [62.188.122.200] (helo=62.188.122.200) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 19XcS7-0001jf-SA for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 02 Jul 2003 08:54:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Dr P.N.Young" To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 08:47:47 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Spellcheck in O Pro, repeated words. Message-ID: <4c0b98effapnyoung@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4c0ac95127pnyoung@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03e (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article , David Pilling wrote: > >The repeated word feature in the spelling checker is very useful, but it > >does have an irritating quirk. It detects words repeated across > >punctuation marks, paragraph breaks, or even, ISTR, figures (yes, it does, > >I just checked it). Is this intended? And if not, is it fixable? > Should be fixed... Thanks. Best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. Anne \ / __ __ \ England. Cecilia / / \ | | |\ | / _ http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/pnyoung James / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \_____________ pnyoung@argonet.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jul 2 13:53:24 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19Xckx-1-7MR-3D.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 13:53:24 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19Xckx-1-7MR-3D; Wed, 02 Jul 2003 08:14:23 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.32]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id ad0123404; 2 Jul 2003 8:13 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19Xcjg-0001PE-00; Wed, 02 Jul 2003 09:13:04 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h628Cx626045 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 09:12:59 +0100 Received: from gateh.thls.bbc.co.uk (gateh.thls.bbc.co.uk [132.185.240.17]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h628Cw726040 for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 09:12:58 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from w1bhxi02.radio.bbc.co.uk (w1bhxi02.radio.bbc.co.uk [10.48.8.92]) by gateh.thls.bbc.co.uk (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h628Cr921311 for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 09:12:53 +0100 (BST) Received: from w1bhxi01.radio.bbc.co.uk (unverified) by w1bhxi02.radio.bbc.co.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.10) with ESMTP id for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 09:12:53 +0100 Received: by w1bhxi01.radio.bbc.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <3CMFWTX8>; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 09:12:52 +0100 Message-ID: From: Michael Hunter To: "'David Pilling Software List (softwarelist@davidpilling.net)'" Subject: [softwarelist] Spellcheck in O Pro, repeated words Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 09:12:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C34071.B90C3836" Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C34071.B90C3836 Content-Type: text/plain The recent discussion about the repeated words in the spell checker reminds me that I never seem to know what the correct course of action should be if a word is wrongly duplicated! How do you remove the offending word and not leave two spaces between the remaining words? In a large document it can be frustrating to have to go and find those extra spaces. I feel that one of the buttons ought to say 'Delete Word' and it should delete the word and a space. Michael Michael Hunter BBCi at http://www.bbc.co.uk/ This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may contain personal views which are not the views of the BBC unless specifically stated. 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The recent discussion about the repeated w= ords in the spell checker reminds me that I never seem to know what the cor= rect course of action should be if a word is wrongly duplicated! How do you= remove the offending word and not leave two spaces between the remaining w= ords? In a large document it can be frustrating to have to go and find thos= e extra spaces.

I feel that one of the buttons ought to sa= y 'Delete Word' and it should delete the word and a space.

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C34071.B90C3836-- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jul 2 13:53:31 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19XgYb-3-6In-2y.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 13:53:31 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19XgYb-3-6In-2y; Wed, 02 Jul 2003 12:17:53 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.30]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id aa0325551; 2 Jul 2003 12:17 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19XgY2-0002Y1-00; Wed, 02 Jul 2003 13:17:18 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h62CGfk18020 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 13:16:41 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h62CGee18007 for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 13:16:40 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from oxted.demon.co.uk ([80.177.123.88] helo=Iyonix) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19XgXH-000IIw-0W for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 02 Jul 2003 13:16:31 +0100 Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 13:15:15 +0100 From: George Foot To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Spellcheck in O Pro, repeated words Message-ID: <8f6cb10b4c.georgefoot@oxted.demon.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.70a (MsgServe/2.10) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.04-pre2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Hi. Greetings. That's what Impression used to do and it was very useful. You could delete a word and the spacing was corrected, As a result it was a very simple way to delete a few words which you had typed incorrectly and which you wished to change, The spacing was always corrected and you simple carried on typing. In message you wrote: > The recent discussion about the repeated words in the spell checker reminds > me that I never seem to know what the correct course of action should be if > a word is wrongly duplicated! How do you remove the offending word and not > leave two spaces between the remaining words? In a large document it can be > frustrating to have to go and find those extra spaces. > > I feel that one of the buttons ought to say 'Delete Word' and it should > delete the word and a space. > > Michael > Michael Hunter Hi. That's what Impression used to do and it was very useful. You could delete a word and the spacing was corrected, As a result it was a very simple way to delete a few words which you had typed incorrectly and which you wished to change, The spacing was always corrected and you simple carried on typing. Regards George -- George Foot georgefoot@oxted.demon.co.uk www.oxted.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jul 2 13:53:37 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1057121551:10:02545:70".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 13:53:37 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1057121551:10:02545:70; Wed, 02 Jul 2003 04:52:31 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.31]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1112812; 2 Jul 2003 4:52 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19XZb0-0001sX-00; Wed, 02 Jul 2003 05:51:54 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h624pLH13938 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 05:51:21 +0100 Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h624pKc13927 for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 05:51:20 +0100 Received: from [62.188.112.150] (helo=argonet.co.uk) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19XZaL-0004Uz-UD for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 02 Jul 2003 05:51:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Graham Jenkins To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 06:47:45 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OPro on Iyonix not printing embedded TableMate Message-ID: <4c0b0a1ca0jenpyjay@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <3F008528.7040008@netvision.net.il> References: <3F006197.3060300@netvision.net.il> <4c0ac0eabejdp@pandora.be> <3F006834.8020307@netvision.net.il> <3F008528.7040008@netvision.net.il> User-Agent: Pluto/3.02f (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.04-pre2 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 30 Jun, Michael Ben-Gershon wrote: > Michael Ben-Gershon wrote: > > Jan De Poorter wrote: > > > >> In article <3F006197.3060300@netvision.net.il>, > >> Michael Ben-Gershon wrote: > >> > >>> I have a document with embedded TableMate files, > >>> which does not print correctly on the Iyonix, but > >>> does print on the Risc PC with the same version of > >>> OPro (the latest version). The actual table rulings > >>> are printed, but not the text within. No difference > >>> which printer driver is used. > >> > >> > >> > >> This is not a Opro or TableMate problem, but probably > >> a Font Manager problem. > >> > >> The same happened to me, but with Pluto. I use > >> Swiss.Monospaced font to display the message text. > >> Some of the messages do not display at all. > >> > >> When I change font to Corpus everything is fine, but > >> when I go back to Swiss, the messages disappear. This > >> only happens on Iyonix. Same font, same Pluto, same > >> message on my RiscPC (RISC OS 4.36) is OK. > >> > >> Try changing the font in the TableMate file, and see > >> what happens. > > > > > > > > No luck. No characters are printed, whether the font is > > built-in or not. > > > > The same TableMate doc is fine when embedded in an > > Impression Publisher document running under Aemulor on > > the Iyonix! > Just in case anyone suggests that it works in Impression > as it is running under Aemulor, I can now confirm that it > works in EasyWriter, running in native mode on the > Iyonix, so it is an Ovation Pro/Iyonix combination > problem. > Michael Ben-Gershon mybg@netvision.net.il > -- To unsubscribe from this list, email > listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE > softwarelist in the body of the message > Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net I sometimes suffer from a possibly related problem. When I have edited a table and returned it to OPro and then try to print I get an error message after the printer window disappears that complains that printer cannot handle VDU4. I have found that by using ALT/BRK rather than any of the buttons in the error window the program offered for stopping is TableMate. When I stop this the printing then starts. Use of any of the error window buttons eventually results in a type 5 error on OPro. Cheers - -- Graham N P Jenkins jenpyjay@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jul 2 22:14:26 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1057180445:10:08895:56".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 22:14:26 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1057180445:10:08895:56; Wed, 02 Jul 2003 21:14:05 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.31]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1116464; 2 Jul 2003 21:13 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19Xov1-0001vh-00; Wed, 02 Jul 2003 22:13:35 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h62LCpo13882 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 22:12:51 +0100 Received: from mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (mta02-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.42]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h62LCoE13870 for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 22:12:50 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from risco.home ([80.7.75.69]) by mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20030702211247.HHZI4771.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@risco.home> for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 22:12:47 +0100 Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 22:12:47 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP - Windows version To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In on Tue 01 Jul, Martin Wuerthner wrote: > In message > Johan Heuseveldt wrote: > > > > > > Using GhostScript (via the nice !ps2pdf front-end) yields perfect > > > > > PDFs for printing. > > > > > > > > Indeed I downloaded it all (for the second time) and try to start > > > > with it. But somehow I cannot find the proper way to start with it. I > > > > looked for the info and help - or whatever it is called - but still > > > > don't know where to begin with. > > > > > > It is dead easy - assuming you have installed it correctly (which just > > > means uncompressing the relevant archives to some place on your hard > > > disc) and you have downloaded the ps2pdf utility, all you need to do is > > > run !ps2pdf, then drag your PostScript file to the ps2pdf icon on the > > > icon bar. > > > > No luck yet: memory and can't find file errors. > > You need to be a bit more specific, so I suggest you post the actual error > message to the GhostScript list. > > > But I think it's a bit OT now in the context of this list? Is there a > > better place (mailinglist > > Yes, there is a GhostScript mailing list (though I have not seen any > message on it for a long time). Have a look at > http://www.acornusers.org/ghostscript/ > You can find information there on how to join it. Once you have got Ghostscript working you may want to look at TaborcaGS (from http://www.sparkplug.org.uk/) which uses GhostScript to extend the PDF generating capabilities of Taborca beyond the 3-page limit, and because it uses GS clipping is correct. Anthony -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Jul 3 02:30:31 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19XsvV-1-4cJ-c.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 3 Jul 2003 02:30:31 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19XsvV-1-4cJ-c; Thu, 03 Jul 2003 01:30:21 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.32]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id aa0115093; 3 Jul 2003 1:29 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19Xsuk-0005SO-00; Thu, 03 Jul 2003 02:29:34 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h631SeO11605 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 3 Jul 2003 02:28:40 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h631Sd311602 for ; Thu, 3 Jul 2003 02:28:40 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 19Xstr-0004n5-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 03 Jul 2003 02:28:39 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 02:27:17 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Spellcheck in O Pro, repeated words References: <8f6cb10b4c.georgefoot@oxted.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <8f6cb10b4c.georgefoot@oxted.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >That's what Impression used to do and it was very >useful. >You could delete a word and the spacing was corrected, Being able to delete a repeated word is a good idea. At the moment you would clear the text in the spell check and hit return - as you say you pick up an extra space. Impression does not spot repeated words and does not give you the chance to delete words from the spell check. OP does have a delete word feature (shift+delete) and it does correct spacing. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Jul 3 13:42:47 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19XzWB-1-1k0-2e.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 3 Jul 2003 13:42:47 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19XzWB-1-1k0-2e; Thu, 03 Jul 2003 08:32:39 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.30]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id ab0105351; 3 Jul 2003 8:32 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19XzVZ-0005ly-00; Thu, 03 Jul 2003 09:32:01 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h638UwX00303 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 3 Jul 2003 09:30:58 +0100 Received: from smtp01.wxs.nl (smtp01.wxs.nl [195.121.6.61]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h638Uu732755 for ; Thu, 3 Jul 2003 09:30:56 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from me (ip51cc4b49.speed.planet.nl [81.204.75.73]) by smtp01.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.14 (built Mar 18 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HHF00428WN6TG@smtp01.wxs.nl> for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 03 Jul 2003 10:23:31 +0200 (MEST) Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2003 10:22:49 +0200 From: Paul Sprangers Subject: [softwarelist] OPro on Iyonix not printing embedded TableMate In-reply-to: <3F019D40.1010400@netvision.net.il> To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Message-id: <4c0c1ffb15paul@delink.nl> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.04-pre2 References: <3F006197.3060300@netvision.net.il> <4c0ac0eabejdp@pandora.be> <3F006834.8020307@netvision.net.il> <3F008528.7040008@netvision.net.il> <3F0135AF.3000601@netvision.net.il> <3F013C9C.6060208@netvision.net.il> <3F015ECB.4000805@netvision.net.il> <3F019D40.1010400@netvision.net.il> Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article <3F019D40.1010400@netvision.net.il>, Michael Ben-Gershon wrote: > Resetting the machine cures the problem, so it must be something that > was loaded up at some stage and which interfered. Please, Michael, Can you inform me (us) as soon as you have found the culprit? I've done a reset too, but without success. So, it must be something that was loaded up during my boot. Of course I've tried a clean boot (whilst holding down Shift), but then printing appears to be difficult, as !Printers assumes a Choices path to be active. After some blind and wild clicking here and there, my desktop suddenly appeared again, and I could really print the draw file from Ovation. It hasn't given me a clue, however, which part of the normal boot has been skipped that way. But if I discover something first, I'll let you (all) know. Kind regards, Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jul 4 21:22:47 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19YX4S-2-JX-1r.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2003 21:22:47 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19YX4S-2-JX-1r; Fri, 04 Jul 2003 20:22:16 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.30]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id ab0226687; 4 Jul 2003 20:21 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19YX3I-0006wB-00; Fri, 04 Jul 2003 21:21:04 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h64KJv827066 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 4 Jul 2003 21:19:57 +0100 Received: from cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.173]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h64KJtN27053 for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2003 21:19:55 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from modem-1059.kowabunga.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.25.222.35] helo=lcessford.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.14) id 19YX2A-0000px-3I for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 04 Jul 2003 21:19:54 +0100 Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2003 21:19:56 +0100 From: "Alex. Cessford" Message-ID: <9178e50c4c.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50 (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.03) POPstar/2.03 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] ImageExtnd - Remind me please! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Old subject probably, but then I'm getting on myself, so please excuse me! After a harddisc corruption repair, (using the wonderful DiscKnight), I have had OvPro complaining on loading that the OArtWrks applet needs ImageExtnd 0.78 or newer. I've had a wander around the various applet websites, etc. but not found where I can acquire said 0.78, advice, please. -- Alex. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jul 4 22:32:25 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19YY9o-3-2OA-q.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2003 22:32:25 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19YY9o-3-2OA-q; Fri, 04 Jul 2003 21:31:52 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.32]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id aa0306657; 4 Jul 2003 21:31 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19YY8n-0003vP-00; Fri, 04 Jul 2003 22:30:49 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h64LUGq13379 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 4 Jul 2003 22:30:16 +0100 Received: from obelix.spectraweb.ch (mailrelay03.sunrise.ch [194.158.229.31]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h64LUDx13354 for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2003 22:30:13 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from janvredenburchsmile.ch (tch-ls-1-dialup-75.spectraweb.ch [194.230.224.75]) by obelix.spectraweb.ch (8.12.9/8.12.6) with SMTP id h64LU8bb014103 for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2003 23:30:09 +0200 Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 23:29:24 +0200 (BST) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: [softwarelist] ImageExtnd - Remind me please! To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net In-Reply-To: <9178e50c4c.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: CIC member; Secretariaat St. Van Vredenburch X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On Fri 04 Jul, Alex. Cessford wrote: > > Old subject probably, but then I'm getting on myself, so please excuse > me! > > After a harddisc corruption repair, (using the wonderful DiscKnight), I > have had OvPro complaining on loading that the OArtWrks applet needs > ImageExtnd 0.78 or newer. > > I've had a wander around the various applet websites, etc. but not found > where I can acquire said 0.78, advice, please. Check if you still have !CCShared within !System. Comes from Computer Concepts and is needed by Artworks. Filepath: ADFS::HD4.$.!Boot.Resources.!System.!CCShared.RMStore.ImageExtnd I have version 0.80 (03 Feb 1993). Greetings JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch, CH - 6006 Luzern **new email address** email: janvredenburch@smile.ch . -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jul 8 19:30:27 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19ZGJH-2-6Ci-1d.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 19:30:27 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19ZGJH-2-6Ci-1d; Sun, 06 Jul 2003 20:40:35 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.32]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id aa0224812; 6 Jul 2003 20:40 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19ZGIv-0006Pe-00; Sun, 06 Jul 2003 21:40:13 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h66KcwO11871 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 6 Jul 2003 21:38:58 +0100 Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h66Kcus11854 for ; Sun, 6 Jul 2003 21:38:56 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [62.188.24.239] (helo=62.188.24.239) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 19ZGHa-0008JD-P8 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 06 Jul 2003 21:38:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "charles.hope" To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2003 20:54:19 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OPro on Iyonix not printing embedded TableMate Message-ID: <4c0deacbe4charles.hope@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <3F013C9C.6060208@netvision.net.il> References: <3F006197.3060300@netvision.net.il> <4c0ac0eabejdp@pandora.be> <3F006834.8020307@netvision.net.il> <3F008528.7040008@netvision.net.il> <3F0135AF.3000601@netvision.net.il> <3F013C9C.6060208@netvision.net.il> User-Agent: Pluto/3.02f (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article <3F013C9C.6060208@netvision.net.il>, Michael Ben-Gershon wrote: > Let's simplify things: Take a simple Draw file with a text area. Drop > it into OPro. It prints OK on the RiscPC, but not on the Iyonix. The > same Draw file prints OK on the Iyonix from Impression Publisher > and EasiWriter. On my Iyonix, it prints quite happily. I used Homerton. Does it matter which font? -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jul 8 19:31:46 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1057503720:21:13206:40".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 19:31:46 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1057503720:21:13206:40; Sun, 06 Jul 2003 15:02:00 GMT Received: from smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.32]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2112578; 6 Jul 2003 15:01 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19ZB0W-0007yF-00; Sun, 06 Jul 2003 16:00:52 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h66Exvf04957 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 6 Jul 2003 15:59:57 +0100 Received: from smtpq1.home.nl (smtpq1.home.nl [213.51.128.196]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h66Exuw04953 for ; Sun, 6 Jul 2003 15:59:56 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [213.51.128.133] (port=55568 helo=smtp2.home.nl) by smtpq1.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19ZAzb-0007oi-Vu for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 06 Jul 2003 16:59:55 +0200 Received: from cp418204-a.dbsch1.nb.home.nl ([217.123.44.165]:55756 helo=padua) by smtp2.home.nl with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 19ZAzY-0000Q3-QE for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 06 Jul 2003 16:59:52 +0200 Message-ID: <008901c343d7$f46b53d0$6502a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: References: <9178e50c4c.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] ImageExtnd - Remind me please! Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 16:37:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-MailScanner-Information: Neem contact op met support@home.nl voor meer informatie Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On Friday, July 04, 2003 9:19 PM, Alex. Cessford wrote: > Old subject probably, but then I'm getting on myself, so please excuse > me! > > After a harddisc corruption repair, (using the wonderful DiscKnight), > I have had OvPro complaining on loading that the OArtWrks applet needs > ImageExtnd 0.78 or newer. > > I've had a wander around the various applet websites, etc. but not > found where I can acquire said 0.78, advice, please. Best way to make sure, that you have the necessary (latest) Artworks modules is to download the latest !AWviewer http://www.mw-software.com/software/awmodules/awrender.html and install it in !Boot.Resources OArtworks applet find the modules here. Tonnie -- Mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jul 8 19:31:49 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1057527131:21:16289:89".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 19:31:49 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1057527131:21:16289:89; Sun, 06 Jul 2003 21:32:11 GMT Received: from smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.32]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2117446; 6 Jul 2003 21:31 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19ZH6U-000087-00; Sun, 06 Jul 2003 22:31:26 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h66LVGA26455 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 6 Jul 2003 22:31:16 +0100 Received: from cmailm3.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailm3.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.19]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h66LVFK26446 for ; Sun, 6 Jul 2003 22:31:15 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from modem-898.cubone.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.135.102.130] helo=lcessford.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailm3.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.14) id 19ZH6I-00074r-0W for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 06 Jul 2003 22:31:14 +0100 Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2003 22:28:18 +0100 From: "Alex. Cessford" To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] ImageExtnd - Remind me please! Message-ID: <8b66f30d4c.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> References: <9178e50c4c.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> <008901c343d7$f46b53d0$6502a8c0@padua> In-Reply-To: <008901c343d7$f46b53d0$6502a8c0@padua> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50 (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.03) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message <008901c343d7$f46b53d0$6502a8c0@padua> you wrote: Bless you Tonnie :-) > On Friday, July 04, 2003 9:19 PM, > Alex. Cessford wrote: > Best way to make sure, that you have the necessary (latest) Artworks modules > is to download the latest !AWviewer > > http://www.mw-software.com/software/awmodules/awrender.html > > and install it in !Boot.Resources > > OArtworks applet find the modules here. -- Alex. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Jul 10 13:33:15 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19aWmt-1-7UG-X9.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 13:33:15 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19aWmt-1-7UG-X9; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 08:28:23 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.31]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id aa0120105; 10 Jul 2003 8:25 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19aWji-0007lz-00; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 09:25:06 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h6A8OMZ27142 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 09:24:22 +0100 Received: from mail.chariot.net.au (mail.chariot.net.au [203.87.95.38]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h6A8OGJ27103 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 09:24:17 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from localhost (ppp-200.cust203-87-117.ghr.chariot.net.au [203.87.117.200]) by mail.chariot.net.au (Postfix) with SMTP id EB5DF10AB28 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 17:53:37 +0930 (CST) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 17:52:16 +1030 From: Peter Prewett To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] OP Printing problems Message-ID: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (MsgServe/2.02) (RISC-OS/4.33) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Moving on with my problem with OP and crashing on trying to move text from one window to another I then had a major problem in printing the resulting document. I wanted to print on both sides so selected reverse and right and it printed as I expected the last page first and the previous chapters OK. I then inserted the pages that had been printed in the printer and then selected it to print the reverse and left and the first four pages were blank, they should not have been, and then a few others OK and but they were not in sequence so ended up doing each page that was missed and redoing some that had the wrong page number to match the reverse. Any clues what I did wrong? Please note I will read any responses on my return from Darwin in a few weeks time. Thanks for any thoughts. Cheers Peter -- Peter Prewett, Coromandel Valley, South Australia -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Jul 10 13:33:19 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1057804534:10:24990:37".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 13:33:19 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1057804534:10:24990:37; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 02:35:34 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.31]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1115630; 10 Jul 2003 2:34 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19aRGJ-0001A2-00; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 03:34:23 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h6A2XN611161 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 03:33:23 +0100 Received: from mail.chariot.net.au (mail.chariot.net.au [203.87.95.38]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h6A2XKV11153 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 03:33:20 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from localhost (ppp-223.cust203-87-112.ghr.chariot.net.au [203.87.112.223]) by mail.chariot.net.au (Postfix) with SMTP id 658BD10A8CE for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 12:03:15 +0930 (CST) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 11:00:23 +1030 From: Peter Prewett To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] type=3 error Message-ID: <63948f0f4c.pprewett@chariot.net.au> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (MsgServe/2.02) (RISC-OS/4.33) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist I amusing Ovation Pro 2.70 on a SA RiscPC with 4.33 OS. I am compiling a booklet from my wifes writings by creating a new document and inserting new chapters for each section and then loading each one by dragging the pages from another into the new chapter. I get an error message 'Ovation Pro has suffered an internal error type=3 and must quit' The stage it fails is after creating the new chapter and having loading the file to be copied across, in another OP window, and clicking on the select all icon. By selecting the text using the mouse and then the copy to clipboard and using insert in the new document it works OK. So the failure is only associated with the select all icon. Also could someone indicate how to modify an existing chapter to be based on another/previous, it can be done on when creating a new one but not an existing as the area is greyed out. Cheers Peter -- Peter Prewett, Coromandel Valley, South Australia -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jul 11 02:07:23 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19amMm-1-1BJ-1g.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 02:07:23 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19amMm-1-1BJ-1g; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 01:06:28 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.32]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id aa0103458; 11 Jul 2003 1:05 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19amMA-0000Y0-00; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 02:05:50 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h6B15Da06593 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 02:05:13 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h6B15B006585 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 02:05:12 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 19amLX-0007Jn-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 02:05:11 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 02:03:46 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP Printing problems References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >I then inserted the pages that had been printed in the printer and then >selected it to print the reverse and left and the first four pages were >blank, they should not have been, and then a few others OK and but they >were not in sequence so ended up doing each page that was missed and >redoing some that had the wrong page number to match the reverse. >Any clues what I did wrong? No idea, I'd really have to see an example of the document - as usual it could easily be a bug, perhaps one set off by the construction of the document, but on the other hand things may be working correctly, but not as expected. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jul 11 02:09:24 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19amOr-1-3LJ-17.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 02:09:24 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19amOr-1-3LJ-17; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 01:08:37 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.30]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id aa0109550; 11 Jul 2003 1:08 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19amOC-0001VC-00; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 02:07:56 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h6B17rc06897 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 02:07:53 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h6B17rK06894 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 02:07:53 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 19amO9-0007CD-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 02:07:53 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 02:06:33 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] type=3 error References: <63948f0f4c.pprewett@chariot.net.au> In-Reply-To: <63948f0f4c.pprewett@chariot.net.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Hi, >I get an error message 'Ovation Pro has suffered an internal error >type=3 and must quit' I'm sorry to hear that, if I repeat the steps it doesn't crash for me. Which only means it is something more specific. >Also could someone indicate how to modify an existing chapter to be >based on another/previous, it can be done on when creating a new one >but not an existing as the area is greyed out. Can't be done in the current program. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jul 11 15:56:58 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1057935360:11:21285:37".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 15:56:58 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1057935360:11:21285:37; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 14:56:00 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.30]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1117941; 11 Jul 2003 14:54 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19azHb-0000XQ-00; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 15:53:59 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h6BEr6219810 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 15:53:06 +0100 Received: from mk-smarthost-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.40]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h6BEr2p19789 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 15:53:03 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [80.40.54.146] (helo=acld75.ukgateway.net) by mk-smarthost-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 4.14) id 19azGb-0002OX-N7 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 15:52:58 +0100 Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 15:51:23 +0100 From: george To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] ArcFax problem Message-ID: X-Organization: home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.03) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Dear David I have installed ArcFax 1.10 from floppy on a Kinetic RPC/VF2 running RO 4.03. My modem is a Jetway 56000. I have downloaded the v.1.19 upgrade and created a new directory for it, and downloaded the Class IVJ driver and put it in the ArcFax.Driver new directory. I cannot reliably get ArcFax to load on the Icon bar: usually double clicking on it freezes the machine, forcing a reboot. Sometimes however it does load, but the icon is greyed. Sometimes I can load the previous 1.10 version. 9 times out of 10 it fails to load and hangs the machine. I have tried quitting all other modem-using programs (DialUp, MessengerPro and Oregano) but this makes no difference. I have checked that the modem is switched on. My modem is set currently to a speed of 115200 (other choices are 57600 and 19200) The modem interface is set to InternalPC, port 0. Any idea what the problem is? Many thanks George -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jul 11 19:12:35 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1057947130:10:05563:46".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 19:12:35 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1057947130:10:05563:46; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 18:12:10 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.30]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1112972; 11 Jul 2003 18:11 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19b2Mr-0002RO-00; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 19:11:37 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h6BIB4G19593 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 19:11:04 +0100 Received: from mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (mta06-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.46]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h6BIB3A19589 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 19:11:03 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from dhcppc1 ([213.106.195.149]) by mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20030711181102.UYZL16215.mta06-svc.ntlworld.com@dhcppc1> for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 19:11:02 +0100 Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 19:10:12 +0100 From: Roger Noble To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Message-ID: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (MsgServe/2.02) (RISC-OS/4.36) POPstar/2.05 Subject: [softwarelist] Postscript file sizes X-Editor: Zap 1.45 (06 Nov 2002), ZapEmail 0.26 (03 Nov 2002) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist I have just noticed the following when printing a document containing three jpegs of about 500K in size. All are using Printers+ 1.91 to a postscript file, and with RISC OS 4.36. Ovation version File size (monochrome) File size (colour) Ovation Pro 2.60 625846 625870 Ovation Pro 2.70 2303890 9917628 Apart from the presence or otherwise of colour, all of the files display the same using RiScript, except that the ones produced by 2.70 obviously take longer. I am not sure when the larger files started happening, but I have a postscript file produced on the 24 Oct 2002 which is 1454652 bytes in size, and one produced from the same document (apart from one typo change in an embedded Artworks picture) is now 15257626 bytes, or around 10 times larger. Does anyone else get this? Roger Noble -- Roger Noble rgnoble@ntlworld.com rgn@jb.man.ac.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jul 11 22:19:08 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1057958344:21:15326:1107".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 22:19:08 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1057958344:21:15326:1107; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 21:19:04 GMT Received: from smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.32]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2104351; 11 Jul 2003 21:17 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19b5Gh-0004VB-00; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 22:17:27 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h6BLGtS01562 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 22:16:55 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h6BLGrX01555 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 22:16:53 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 19b5G8-0005AK-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 22:16:52 +0100 Message-ID: <1MerppE0jyD$Ewa+@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 22:15:32 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] ArcFax problem References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Hi, >running RO 4.03. My modem is a Jetway 56000. I have downloaded the v.1.19 >upgrade and created a new directory for it, and downloaded the Class IVJ >driver and put it in the ArcFax.Driver new directory. ... and chosen it as the current modem driver from ArcFax choices? >ArcFax to load on the Icon bar: usually double clicking on it freezes the Are you sure it stiffs the machine, i.e. be patient, ArcFax may just be arguing with the modem (perhaps you can observe this from the LED's). >machine, forcing a reboot. Sometimes however it does load, but the icon is >greyed. Which backs up the idea that ArcFax and the modem are arguing, after enough time ArcFax will give up, load on the icon bar greyed out. You can then Adjust click it to attempt to talk to the modem again. > Sometimes I can load the previous 1.10 version. I don't believe you're using 1.10, that's just what it says on the disc label (and it doesn't mean that is the exact version). >difference. I have checked that the modem is switched on. My modem is set >currently to a speed of 115200 (other choices are 57600 and 19200) The modem >interface is set to InternalPC, port 0. None of that applies to ArcFax unless you've been editing script files. Changing the modem DTE speed in the Class1VJ driver might be a solution. Opening the debug window, and observing what is going on - after an Adjust click would probably be illuminating. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jul 11 22:27:12 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19b5PJ-3-4QY-RQ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 22:27:12 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19b5PJ-3-4QY-RQ; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 21:26:21 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.32]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id aa0315381; 11 Jul 2003 21:19 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19b5Iq-0004hj-00; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 22:19:40 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h6BLJb802069 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 22:19:37 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h6BLJZL02062 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 22:19:35 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 19b5Ik-0007bX-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 22:19:34 +0100 Message-ID: <1sarh8EmmyD$Ew46@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 22:18:30 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Postscript file sizes References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Hi, >Ovation version File size (monochrome) File size (colour) >Ovation Pro 2.60 625846 625870 >Ovation Pro 2.70 2303890 9917628 That's interesting (and worrying too). Obvious thing look at the PS output and observe what is different. From the other end, there's a lot of scope, some things perfectly correct, like the above versions of OP have different applets loaded. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jul 11 23:23:40 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19b6I9-2-797-o.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 23:23:40 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19b6I9-2-797-o; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 22:23:01 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.30]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id aa0225856; 11 Jul 2003 22:22 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19b6HJ-0006T8-00; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 23:22:09 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h6BMLXm16208 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 23:21:33 +0100 Received: from smtp.aaisp.net.uk (IDENT:HYmLmT+m/icdFjZWFwktK7EbP4LUCUIf@useless.aaisp.net.uk [217.169.20.27]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h6BMLTh16189 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 23:21:31 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [81.2.115.178] (helo=ghc) by smtp.aaisp.net.uk with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 19b6Ge-00027h-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 23:21:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Gavin Crawford To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 23:24:24 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Postscript file sizes Message-ID: <4c108bb78cgav@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <1sarh8EmmyD$Ew46@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <1sarh8EmmyD$Ew46@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article <1sarh8EmmyD$Ew46@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > >Ovation version File size (monochrome) File size (colour) > >Ovation Pro 2.60 625846 625870 > >Ovation Pro 2.70 2303890 9917628 > That's interesting (and worrying too). > Obvious thing look at the PS output and observe what is different. > From the other end, there's a lot of scope, some things perfectly > correct, like the above versions of OP have different applets loaded. Roger is correct. I'm still using 2.67 so have not noticed this but OPro2.70 seems to have a problem with printing jpegs. It is not embedding the jpegs in the PostScript output, but printing them through the PS PrintDriver as a sprites - resulting in much bigger files. David, it seems that OPro 2.70 is treating the jpeg as a sprite within the document. This can be seen in a 256 colour mode as the pictured is not being dithered the same as it is in 2.67. I'm very surprised no one has seen this before now. I wonder if this is related to the problems I've previously discussed with you, when a jpeg is processed (and then prints as a sprite) but is NOT turned back into a jpeg when the Process Default button is clicked. Gav -- Gavin Crawford email: gav@crawford-print.co.uk web: www.crawford-print.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Jul 12 00:32:14 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19b7Mn-3-6TM-9F.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 00:32:14 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19b7Mn-3-6TM-9F; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 23:31:53 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.32]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id aa0309463; 11 Jul 2003 23:14 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19b75N-0003ao-00; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 00:13:53 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h6BNDjR26889 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 00:13:45 +0100 Received: from smtp.mailbox.co.uk (smtp.mailbox.net.uk [195.82.125.32]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h6BNDjr26886 for ; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 00:13:45 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [212.18.234.229] (helo=bd39.argonet.co.uk) by smtp.mailbox.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19b75E-0003jo-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 00:13:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Owl-Art Un-Ltd." To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 00:13:14 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] New Applet suggestion Message-ID: <4c1090303eowlart@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist An idea for an applet has occured to me, but I don't know how to do it (having never writen one before). I'd like to be able to take athe selected text and resize it so that it just fits on one line in the width of the current frame (eg. making a headline fit). It would have to: *read selected text *read selected font *read width of frame *calculate point size needed to get test to fit to frame width Having never writen an applet (or indeed anything in C / pseudo-C ) I don't know quite how feasible this would be. 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U.K. | +----------------------------------------+---------------------------------+ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Jul 12 02:16:05 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1057972518:21:16144:91".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 02:16:05 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1057972518:21:16144:91; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 01:15:18 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.30]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2117787; 12 Jul 2003 1:15 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19b8yU-0008Eg-00; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 02:14:54 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h6C1EV712486 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 02:14:31 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h6C1EVX12480 for ; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 02:14:31 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 19b8y6-0000jH-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 02:14:30 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 02:12:55 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Postscript file sizes References: <1sarh8EmmyD$Ew46@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c108bb78cgav@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4c108bb78cgav@crawford-print.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >I'm still using 2.67 so have not noticed this but OPro2.70 seems to >have a problem with printing jpegs. It is not embedding the jpegs in >the PostScript output, but printing them through the PS PrintDriver as >a sprites - resulting in much bigger files. That sounds plausible. The way things work is that OP sees if it can render JPEG's whole - by calling various SWI's and seeing if it gets an error (does this version of RISC OS support transformed JPEG rendering). If RISC OS can't handle the JPEG then it is rendered to a sprite and the sprite is rendered. This rendering via sprite is also used if image processing is in effect on the image. >I wonder if this is related to the problems I've previously discussed >with you, when a jpeg is processed (and then prints as a sprite) but is >NOT turned back into a jpeg when the Process Default button is clicked. Problem is that there is no way to turn off image processing. Once you've used it, it is on, and the JPEG will always be rendered via sprite. Anyway I'd better go look at 2.70... -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Jul 12 13:53:53 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1057976403:21:25436:70".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 13:53:53 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1057976403:21:25436:70; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 02:20:03 GMT Received: from smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.32]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2126209; 12 Jul 2003 2:19 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19b9yy-0005st-00; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 03:19:28 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h6C2Id020002 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 03:18:39 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h6C2IdI19999 for ; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 03:18:39 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19b9yA-0001Te-0W for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 03:18:38 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 03:17:21 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Postscript file sizes References: <1sarh8EmmyD$Ew46@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c108bb78cgav@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >>I'm still using 2.67 so have not noticed this but OPro2.70 seems to >>have a problem with printing jpegs. It is not embedding the jpegs in >Anyway I'd better go look at 2.70... Yes 2.70 always renders JPEG's via sprites. I may regret saying this tomorrow, but it appears this is due to a compiler bug. Making a change to the code which does not change the meaning, results in a program that works correctly. I wonder Roger if you are actually printing documents with JPEG's in? The example PS output you sent seems to show one version of the program using PS clipping and (perhaps) the other one rendering via a masked sprite. So all a bit of a mess. I'm sorry about this, and I'll get a 2.71 out asap. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jul 15 22:22:50 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19blqm-4-61O-24.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 22:22:50 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19blqm-4-61O-24; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 18:45:32 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.32]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id aa0421771; 13 Jul 2003 18:44 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19blpZ-0002qn-00; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 19:44:17 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h6DIhJn01132 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 19:43:19 +0100 Received: from mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (mta02-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.42]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h6DIhIL01129 for ; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 19:43:18 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from gwen ([80.5.187.176]) by mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20030713184317.LDSD4771.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@gwen> for ; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 19:43:17 +0100 From: "Nick Kaijaks" To: Subject: RE: [softwarelist] Re: Postscript file sizes Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 19:43:49 +0100 Message-ID: <000d01c3496e$b65c7a50$3300a8c0@gwen> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4c108bb78cgav@crawford-print.co.uk> Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Gavin Crawford wrote: > Roger is correct. > > I'm still using 2.67 so have not noticed this but OPro2.70 seems to > have a problem with printing jpegs. It is not embedding the jpegs in > the PostScript output, but printing them through the PS PrintDriver as > a sprites - resulting in much bigger files. > I'm very surprised no one has seen this before now. Ah, that explains why I was getting masking artifacts when printing a file with a JPEG in to PDF a couple of weeks ago. I thought I was losing it! TTFN, Nick -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jul 15 22:22:52 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19bpiY-3-3Ho-11.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 22:22:52 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19bpiY-3-3Ho-11; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 22:53:18 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.30]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id aa0308919; 13 Jul 2003 22:51 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19bpgB-0005ri-00; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 23:50:51 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h6DMoHi29601 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 23:50:17 +0100 Received: from smtp.aaisp.net.uk (IDENT:fpogrhXg8Ce0ot/VEoJhcKdwsAl4JzM9@useless.aaisp.net.uk [217.169.20.27]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h6DMoEG29588 for ; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 23:50:16 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [81.2.115.178] (helo=ghc) by smtp.aaisp.net.uk with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 19bpfZ-0003I0-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 23:50:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Gavin Crawford To: "Ovation Pro" Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 23:53:11 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Postscript file sizes Message-ID: <4c11960639gav@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <000d01c3498f$07cd6c80$6502a8c0@padua> References: <000d01c3496e$b65c7a50$3300a8c0@gwen> <000d01c3498f$07cd6c80$6502a8c0@padua> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article <000d01c3498f$07cd6c80$6502a8c0@padua>, Tonnie Demarteau wrote: > On Sunday, July 13, 2003 7:43 PM, > Nick Kaijaks wrote: > > Gavin Crawford wrote: > >> Roger is correct. > >> > >> I'm still using 2.67 so have not noticed this but OPro2.70 seems > >> to have a problem with printing jpegs. It is not embedding the > >> jpegs in the PostScript output, but printing them through the PS > >> PrintDriver as a sprites - resulting in much bigger files. > > > >> I'm very surprised no one has seen this before now. > > > > Ah, that explains why I was getting masking artifacts when printing > > a file with a JPEG in to PDF a couple of weeks ago. I thought I was > > losing it! > It doesn't happen, when the JPEGs are in a DrawFile in a picture > frame. It does here. When printing to PostScript, OPro 2.70 is printing JPEGs as Sprites through the PS printer driver even when the JPEG is embedded in a Drawfile. Where as 2.67 includes the JPEG directly in the PostScript output (as it should) when printing the same document. But as Martin pointed out: > Until then, a workaround to print a JPEG to PostScript from > OvationPro is to put it in an ArtWorks file and drop the ArtWorks > file into OP. This allows the AWRender module to handle the printing > of the JPEG. This requires ArtWorks with the JPEGObject module > (standard in ArtWorks 2) and AWRender 1.37 or higher, which most > people should have installed by now. ...works correctly. Although anyone who may be preparing documents for colour work, where the document is to be printed as separations, should be aware that the AWRender module wont colour separate the JPEGs in ArtWorks files, even though OPro will colour separate JPEGs when included directly in an OPro frame or embedded in a Drawfile. For most people this isn't particularly relevant. Where it matters a great deal is when printing the document to a Colour PostScript device to create a colour proof, then printing the same document as separations to a monochrome device (such as an imagesetter) to get the individual plate images. The result is: for JPEGs in ArtWorks files the full JPEG is included on each plate separation, including any spot colour plates. Gav -- Gavin Crawford email: gav@crawford-print.co.uk web: www.crawford-print.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jul 15 22:22:59 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19byOn-4-7DN-3z.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 22:22:59 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19byOn-4-7DN-3z; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 08:09:29 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.31]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id aa0429036; 14 Jul 2003 8:08 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19byNY-0005zf-00; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 09:08:12 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h6E87h215193 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 09:07:43 +0100 Received: from gadolinium.btinternet.com (gadolinium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.111]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h6E87gX15186 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 09:07:42 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from host81-134-135-14.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([81.134.135.14] helo=baskerville.english.co.uk) by gadolinium.btinternet.com with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #23) id 19byN3-0000hA-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 09:07:41 +0100 Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20030714084742.037bde58@pop3.btclick.com> X-Sender: dgraddol@pop3.btclick.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 09:07:40 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Graddol Subject: [softwarelist] Ov Pro for windows bug? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist I had OvPro fired up on the PC over the weekend to open some OvPro files from across the network. It's good to see a familiar friend appear on the windows screen! However, after a while I discovered that the machine was rather unresponsive. I checked the task manager and found that a process called ovnpro.exe was hogging 98% of cpu time. I quit Ovation Pro but the process still remained active in the task manager list. I stopped the process from within task manager and restarted Ovation Pro. The ovnpro.exe process restarted but now with a low cpu usage - in other words, when I restarted, things seemed OK. Any idea what might be happening here? I haven't been able to reproduce the problem yet, but obviously, the thought of having a rogue process taking over the machine is a bit worrying. David -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jul 15 22:22:59 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19bzwH-1-77V-2N.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 22:22:59 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19bzwH-1-77V-2N; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 09:48:09 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.32]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id aa0125287; 14 Jul 2003 9:47 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19bzvG-0006vP-00; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 10:47:06 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h6E9l2D15310 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 10:47:02 +0100 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.189]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h6E9l1P15306 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 10:47:01 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.161] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19bzvB-0004f7-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 11:47:01 +0200 Received: from [172.178.52.134] (helo=goedel) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19bzvA-0003uP-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 11:47:01 +0200 Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 11:47:36 +0200 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Postscript file sizes Message-ID: <2ff0d1114c.martin@mw-software.com> References: <4c11960639gav@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4c11960639gav@crawford-print.co.uk> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (MsgServe/2.02) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.04-pre2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message <4c11960639gav@crawford-print.co.uk> Gavin Crawford wrote: > But as Martin pointed out: > > > Until then, a workaround to print a JPEG to PostScript from > > OvationPro is to put it in an ArtWorks file and drop the ArtWorks > > file into OP. This allows the AWRender module to handle the printing > > of the JPEG. This requires ArtWorks with the JPEGObject module > > (standard in ArtWorks 2) and AWRender 1.37 or higher, which most > > people should have installed by now. > > ...works correctly. > > Although anyone who may be preparing documents for colour work, where > the document is to be printed as separations, should be aware that the > AWRender module wont colour separate the JPEGs in ArtWorks files, even > though OPro will colour separate JPEGs when included directly in an > OPro frame or embedded in a Drawfile. Yes, this is an unfortunate omission for the time being. I think I will correct this soon - first in ArtWorks 2 itself, then in AWRender. Of course, as soon as you want separations, each JPEG will always have to be printed as a sprite rather than a JPEG so the expanded bitmap ends up in the PostScript stream, so this discussion about getting small PostScript files is only relevant for composite colour printing. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jul 15 22:23:13 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1058036867:10:20500:38".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 22:23:13 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1058036867:10:20500:38; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 19:07:47 GMT Received: from smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.32]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1127869; 12 Jul 2003 19:07 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19bPiD-0006UI-00; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 20:07:13 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h6CJ5ep13489 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 20:05:40 +0100 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.185]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h6CJ5dg13485 for ; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 20:05:39 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.205] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19bPgh-0004Xr-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 21:05:39 +0200 Received: from [213.6.48.154] (helo=goedel) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19bPgg-0001Cq-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 21:05:39 +0200 Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 21:06:16 +0200 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Postscript file sizes Message-ID: References: <1sarh8EmmyD$Ew46@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c108bb78cgav@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (MsgServe/2.02) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.04-pre2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message David Pilling wrote: > >>I'm still using 2.67 so have not noticed this but OPro2.70 seems to > >>have a problem with printing jpegs. It is not embedding the jpegs in > >Anyway I'd better go look at 2.70... > > Yes 2.70 always renders JPEG's via sprites. > > I may regret saying this tomorrow, but it appears this is due to a > compiler bug. Making a change to the code which does not change the > meaning, results in a program that works correctly. > > I wonder Roger if you are actually printing documents with JPEG's in? > The example PS output you sent seems to show one version of the program > using PS clipping and (perhaps) the other one rendering via a masked > sprite. > > So all a bit of a mess. I'm sorry about this, and I'll get a 2.71 out > asap. Until then, a workaround to print a JPEG to PostScript from OvationPro is to put it in an ArtWorks file and drop the ArtWorks file into OP. This allows the AWRender module to handle the printing of the JPEG. This requires ArtWorks with the JPEGObject module (standard in ArtWorks 2) and AWRender 1.37 or higher, which most people should have installed by now. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jul 15 22:23:17 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1058132083:10:07948:44".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 22:23:17 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1058132083:10:07948:44; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 21:34:43 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.31]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1121117; 13 Jul 2003 21:33 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19boTV-00070f-00; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 22:33:41 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h6DLX1B10453 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 22:33:01 +0100 Received: from smtpq1.home.nl (smtpq1.home.nl [213.51.128.196]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h6DLX0K10445 for ; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 22:33:00 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [213.51.128.133] (port=53863 helo=smtp2.home.nl) by smtpq1.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19boSp-0004Cs-GV for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 23:32:59 +0200 Received: from cp418204-a.dbsch1.nb.home.nl ([217.123.44.165]:55798 helo=padua) by smtp2.home.nl with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 19boSm-0003v0-UB for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 23:32:56 +0200 Message-ID: <000d01c3498f$07cd6c80$6502a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: "Ovation Pro" References: <000d01c3496e$b65c7a50$3300a8c0@gwen> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Postscript file sizes Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 23:34:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-MailScanner-Information: Neem contact op met support@home.nl voor meer informatie X-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On Sunday, July 13, 2003 7:43 PM, Nick Kaijaks wrote: > Gavin Crawford wrote: >> Roger is correct. >> >> I'm still using 2.67 so have not noticed this but OPro2.70 seems to >> have a problem with printing jpegs. It is not embedding the jpegs in >> the PostScript output, but printing them through the PS PrintDriver >> as a sprites - resulting in much bigger files. > >> I'm very surprised no one has seen this before now. > > Ah, that explains why I was getting masking artifacts when printing a > file with a JPEG in to PDF a couple of weeks ago. I thought I was > losing it! It doesn't happen, when the JPEGs are in a DrawFile in a picture frame. Past week I made an one-page OP doc with 56 small sprite-files (6MB), containing a DrawFile with about the same size. I changed the sprites to JPEG and the resulting OP page is (in Windows and RISC OS) 557 KB. I hit another problem. The idea was to put all these small pictures in the same 'irregular' frame. I installed the newframe applet and used a little drawfile: 1.54 KB I created the frame: saved OPdoc: 14.7K Made 8 copies /duplicates: this took a long time: saved doc *3,593* KB, that is almost 4MB for 8 empty frames ... Next I saved both as DDL: the doc with 1 empty frame: 6.24 KB, the doc with 8 empty frames: 26 KB I skipped the idea and put it all on a drawfile, in which I filled the frames with JPEG's. Fortunately, the small size of the JPEG's in the DrawFile inside Ovation Pro was preserved. When I had these 56 bitmaps in OP -without the planned frames- I had a file of over 20 MB. The .pdf was about 850 KB (300 dpi setting and bigger bitmaps, but clipped). Resulting pdf's: less than 200 KB in Acrobat, about 450 KB in !RiScript Pro. With these two simple 'things': small JPEGS and irregular frames, it is very easy to create even one-page 'huge' documents ... :-) Tonnie -- Mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jul 15 22:23:20 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1058175660:10:00353:170".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 22:23:20 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1058175660:10:00353:170; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 09:41:00 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.31]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1104161; 14 Jul 2003 9:40 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19bznP-00070F-00; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 10:38:59 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h6E9cPj12614 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 10:38:25 +0100 Received: from mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.39]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h6E9cNf12589 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 10:38:23 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [80.225.220.54] (helo=acld75.ukgateway.net) by mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 4.14) id 19bzmi-0003a2-2a for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 10:38:16 +0100 Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 10:37:26 +0100 From: george To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] ArcFax problem Message-ID: References: <1MerppE0jyD$Ewa+@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <1MerppE0jyD$Ewa+@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.03) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message <1MerppE0jyD$Ewa+@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: [snipped] downloaded the Class IVJ > >driver and put it in the ArcFax.Driver new directory. > > ... and chosen it as the current modem driver from ArcFax choices? Yes. > > >ArcFax to load on the Icon bar: usually double clicking on it freezes the > > Are you sure it stiffs the machine, i.e. be patient, ArcFax may just be > arguing with the modem (perhaps you can observe this from the LED's). It wasn't with v.1.19, but see below. [snipped] > > > Sometimes I can load the previous 1.10 version. > > I don't believe you're using 1.10, that's just what it says on the disc > label > (and it doesn't mean that is the exact version). Quite right: it's v.1.16, and it works! I put the Class IVJ driver in its driver directory and selected it using the ArcFax-Configure-Modem dialogue. It will now install on the icon bar and I can Adjust-click to select/deselect it. Has 1.19 got Select-specific updates BTW? It definitely doesn't work with ROS 4.03 (at least on my machine). Thanks for the help. Cheers George ---- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jul 15 22:23:21 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1058188365:11:28267:43".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 22:23:21 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1058188365:11:28267:43; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 13:12:45 GMT Received: from smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.32]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1128666; 14 Jul 2003 13:12 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19c36U-0004HJ-00; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 14:10:54 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h6EDA6h31131 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 14:10:06 +0100 Received: from smtpq1.home.nl (smtpq1.home.nl [213.51.128.196]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h6EDA1K31099 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 14:10:02 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [213.51.128.135] (port=59192 helo=smtp4.home.nl) by smtpq1.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19c35d-0000qi-7D for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 15:10:01 +0200 Received: from cp418204-a.dbsch1.nb.home.nl ([217.123.44.165]:55598 helo=padua) by smtp4.home.nl with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 19c35b-00053a-Jp for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 15:09:59 +0200 Message-ID: <001201c34a11$ef978550$6502a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: "Ovation Pro" References: <000d01c3496e$b65c7a50$3300a8c0@gwen> <000d01c3498f$07cd6c80$6502a8c0@padua> <4c11960639gav@crawford-print.co.uk> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Postscript file sizes Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 15:12:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-MailScanner-Information: Neem contact op met support@home.nl voor meer informatie X-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On Sunday, July 13, 2003 11:53 PM, Gavin Crawford wrote: > In article <000d01c3498f$07cd6c80$6502a8c0@padua>, > Tonnie Demarteau wrote: >> On Sunday, July 13, 2003 7:43 PM, >> Nick Kaijaks wrote: > >>> Gavin Crawford wrote: >>>> Roger is correct. >>>> >>>> I'm still using 2.67 so have not noticed this but OPro2.70 seems >>>> to have a problem with printing jpegs. It is not embedding the >>>> jpegs in the PostScript output, but printing them through the PS >>>> PrintDriver as a sprites - resulting in much bigger files. >>> >>>> I'm very surprised no one has seen this before now. >>> >>> Ah, that explains why I was getting masking artifacts when printing >>> a file with a JPEG in to PDF a couple of weeks ago. I thought I was >>> losing it! > >> It doesn't happen, when the JPEGs are in a DrawFile in a picture >> frame. > > It does here. > > When printing to PostScript, OPro 2.70 is printing JPEGs as Sprites > through the PS printer driver even when the JPEG is embedded in a > Drawfile. Where as 2.67 includes the JPEG directly in the PostScript > output (as it should) when printing the same document. Yes, I was wrong. Got a new (fresh) look on my files. My sprites and JPEG's -with the same width and height- hadn't the same dpi ... . Sorry for this error, but I seem to be rewarded with the following 'good' info! > > But as Martin pointed out: > >> Until then, a workaround to print a JPEG to PostScript from >> OvationPro is to put it in an ArtWorks file and drop the ArtWorks >> file into OP. This allows the AWRender module to handle the printing >> of the JPEG. This requires ArtWorks with the JPEGObject module >> (standard in ArtWorks 2) and AWRender 1.37 or higher, which most >> people should have installed by now. > > ...works correctly. > > Although anyone who may be preparing documents for colour work, where > the document is to be printed as separations, should be aware that the > AWRender module wont colour separate the JPEGs in ArtWorks files, even > though OPro will colour separate JPEGs when included directly in an > OPro frame or embedded in a Drawfile. > > For most people this isn't particularly relevant. Where it matters a > great deal is when printing the document to a Colour PostScript device > to create a colour proof, then printing the same document as > separations to a monochrome device (such as an imagesetter) to get the > individual plate images. The result is: for JPEGs in ArtWorks files > the full JPEG is included on each plate separation, including any spot > colour plates. > Thanks for the additional info and explanation. You and Martin. I'll give it a try with Artworks. Tonnie -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jul 15 22:23:22 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1058206141:10:13290:70".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 22:23:22 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1058206141:10:13290:70; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 18:09:01 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.31]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1114833; 14 Jul 2003 18:08 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19c7k7-000707-00; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 19:08:07 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h6EI7VF08452 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 19:07:31 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h6EI7Qv08432 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 19:07:31 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19c6fy-000Enk-0V for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 17:59:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: "Ovation Pro" Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 15:34:55 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Postscript file sizes Message-ID: <4c11ec3e01Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4c11960639gav@crawford-print.co.uk> References: <000d01c3496e$b65c7a50$3300a8c0@gwen> <000d01c3498f$07cd6c80$6502a8c0@padua> <4c11960639gav@crawford-print.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article <4c11960639gav@crawford-print.co.uk>, Gavin Crawford wrote: > > It doesn't happen, when the JPEGs are in a DrawFile in a picture > > frame. > It does here. Could it have anything to do with whether images are proxied or not? -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jul 15 22:23:37 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1058145608:21:14896:44".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 22:23:37 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1058145608:21:14896:44; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 01:20:08 GMT Received: from smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.32]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2114074; 14 Jul 2003 1:19 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19brzv-0002Bd-00; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 02:19:23 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h6E1IoX20465 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 02:18:50 +0100 Received: from newman.its.waikato.ac.nz (newman.its.waikato.ac.nz [130.217.66.62]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h6E1ImP20459 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 02:18:49 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from freja (freja.cs.waikato.ac.nz [130.217.248.25]) by newman.its.waikato.ac.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2CC01277B3 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 13:18:40 +1200 (NZST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Keith Hopper To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 13:20:06 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] DplngScan type 5 on Iyonix Message-ID: <4c11e564a3kh@waikato.ac.nz> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Greetings, I am slowly getting my way around a new Iyonix machine and finding lots of weird occurrences in relation to various applications/utilities. This morning I have been trying out DplgScan and Photodesk (the 32-bit version). I have been using the images on the Photodesk Digisnaps CD - all TIFF files. DplngScan handles some of them with no problem. However, when loading a large percentage of them it comes up with the error message - 'unrecoverable error in run-time system; free failed (heap overwritten) sometimes twice before disappearing off the icon bar. The image Underwater.reef/tif presents this problem - but the image Places.missio/tif does not - to give two concrete examples. Has anyone else come across this? Is it a configuration problem? Any help most gratefully received. Regards to all, Keith Hopper -- City Desk Waikato University [PGP key available if desired] -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jul 15 22:43:46 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1058305413:21:06459:59".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 22:43:46 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1058305413:21:06459:59; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 21:43:33 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.31]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2105952; 15 Jul 2003 21:42 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19cXYi-000789-00; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 22:42:04 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h6FLfUe14272 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 22:41:30 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h6FLfTQ14266 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 22:41:30 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 19cXY9-0006QU-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 22:41:29 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 22:39:55 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] DplngScan type 5 on Iyonix References: <4c11e564a3kh@waikato.ac.nz> In-Reply-To: <4c11e564a3kh@waikato.ac.nz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >'unrecoverable error in run-time system; free failed (heap overwritten) >sometimes twice before disappearing off the icon bar. > The image Underwater.reef/tif presents this problem - but the image >Places.missio/tif does not - to give two concrete examples. No idea. Send me (by private email) an example, and I'll give it a go. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jul 15 23:02:55 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19cXs8-4-4jc-n.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 23:02:55 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19cXs8-4-4jc-n; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 22:02:08 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.32]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id aa0415028; 15 Jul 2003 22:01 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19cXqc-0006XX-00; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 23:00:34 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h6FM0Pp19440 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 23:00:25 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h6FM0Nh19432 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 23:00:24 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19cXqR-0001jA-0X for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 23:00:23 +0100 Message-ID: <+Js5IZEnkHF$EwaL@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 22:59:03 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] ArcFax problem References: <1MerppE0jyD$Ewa+@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >Has 1.19 got Select-specific updates BTW? No. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jul 15 23:37:13 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1058308599:21:00227:372".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 23:37:13 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1058308599:21:00227:372; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 22:36:39 GMT Received: from smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.32]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2115137; 15 Jul 2003 22:31 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19cYJO-0000eg-00; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 23:30:18 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h6FMU7G27738 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 23:30:07 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h6FMU5t27729 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 23:30:05 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 19cYJB-0007k4-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 23:30:05 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 23:28:41 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ov Pro for windows bug? References: <5.2.1.1.0.20030714084742.037bde58@pop3.btclick.com> In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20030714084742.037bde58@pop3.btclick.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Hi, >rather unresponsive. I checked the task manager and >found that a process called ovnpro.exe was hogging 98% >Any idea what might be happening here? I haven't been >able to reproduce the problem yet, but obviously, the >thought of having a rogue process taking over the >machine is a bit worrying. No idea, and its the usual thing of give me an example and how an example would be so interesting. I'd guess some part of OP is stuck in a loop. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Jul 17 02:56:11 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1058406912:10:19305:44".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 02:56:11 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1058406912:10:19305:44; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 01:55:12 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.31]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1117650; 17 Jul 2003 1:54 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19cxyD-0000Uy-00; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 02:54:09 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h6H1r3h16934 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 02:53:03 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h6H1r2L16930 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 02:53:02 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 19cxx7-00002t-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 02:53:02 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 02:51:52 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Postscript file sizes References: <1sarh8EmmyD$Ew46@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c108bb78cgav@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >I may regret saying this tomorrow, but it appears this is due to a >compiler bug. Not so. Oops. I'd left an assembler file generated by an earlier C compiler in the source code folders. Anyway there now is a 2.71 upgrade available. It would be good if someone could try it and see if the upgrade package is OK. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Jul 17 14:24:07 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19d4kN-4-37p-1V.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 14:24:07 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19d4kN-4-37p-1V; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 09:08:19 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.32]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id aa0413014; 17 Jul 2003 9:08 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19d4k0-0005Cv-00; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 10:07:56 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h6H97TZ30824 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 10:07:29 +0100 Received: from mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (mta06-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.46]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h6H97Rx30813 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 10:07:28 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from localhost ([62.254.36.42]) by mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20030717090727.RYGW16215.mta06-svc.ntlworld.com@localhost> for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 10:07:27 +0100 Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 10:08:57 +0100 From: To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Postscript file sizes Message-ID: <4ce859134c.colin@cstage.argonet.co.uk> References: <1sarh8EmmyD$Ew46@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c108bb78cgav@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Centre Stage User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60a (MsgServe/2.01beta) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message David Pilling wrote: > Anyway there now is a 2.71 upgrade available. It would be good if > someone could try it and see if the upgrade package is OK. > > Hi 2.71 seemed to upgrade ok (from 2.70, which had worked pretty well) but although it loads onto the icon bar, and will open a new page or existing document, the minute I try to edit it unfailing gives a type 5 error and quits. I stripped out every single applet, but still crashes I've reverted to 2.70 (thank goodness for backing up...) -- Colin Carnegie colinc@argonet.co.uk www.argonet.co.uk/users/cstage -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Jul 17 14:24:08 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19d6pm-1-2e0-1s.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 14:24:08 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19d6pm-1-2e0-1s; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 11:22:02 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.31]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id ab0117136; 17 Jul 2003 11:21 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19d6oB-0006a2-00; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 12:20:23 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h6HBJcs17431 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 12:19:38 +0100 Received: from mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (mta03-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.43]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h6HBJbj17423 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 12:19:37 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from dhcppc1 ([213.106.195.149]) by mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20030717111936.ICMI2652.mta03-svc.ntlworld.com@dhcppc1> for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 12:19:36 +0100 Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 12:18:41 +0100 From: Roger Noble To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Postscript file sizes Message-ID: References: <1sarh8EmmyD$Ew46@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c108bb78cgav@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (MsgServe/2.02) (RISC-OS/4.36) POPstar/2.05 X-Editor: Zap 1.45 (06 Nov 2002), ZapEmail 0.26 (03 Nov 2002) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist David Pilling wrote: > Anyway there now is a 2.71 upgrade available. It would be good if someone > could try it and see if the upgrade package is OK. All working again, with JPEG printing OK. Thanks David. Roger -- Roger Noble rgnoble@ntlworld.com rgn@jb.man.ac.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Jul 17 14:24:11 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1058423764:10:09796:72".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 14:24:11 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1058423764:10:09796:72; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 06:36:04 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.30]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1126107; 17 Jul 2003 6:35 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19d2Md-0000Ou-00; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 07:35:39 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h6H6Yg523006 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 07:34:42 +0100 Received: from mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.38]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h6H6Yf123002 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 07:34:41 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [62.64.235.134] (helo=tiscali) by mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19d2Lb-00052x-BL for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 07:34:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 07:33:52 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Postscript file sizes Message-ID: <4c134bb56adfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: References: <1sarh8EmmyD$Ew46@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c108bb78cgav@crawford-print.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.36) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article , David Pilling wrote: > >I may regret saying this tomorrow, but it appears this is due to a > >compiler bug. > Not so. Oops. I'd left an assembler file generated by an earlier C > compiler in the source code folders. > Anyway there now is a 2.71 upgrade available. It would be good if > someone could try it and see if the upgrade package is OK. David, I've just upgraded 2.71 over 2.70 and the upgrade went okay, no problems. OvPro continues to work... which is where I must away to. Cheers and thanks Dave S -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Jul 17 14:24:12 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1058430711:10:20023:47".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 14:24:12 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1058430711:10:20023:47; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 08:31:51 GMT Received: from smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.32]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1123290; 17 Jul 2003 8:31 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19d49h-0001Rp-00; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 09:30:25 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h6H8TKc18174 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 09:29:20 +0100 Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h6H8THV18159 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 09:29:18 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [213.116.60.222] (helo=Art) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 19d48X-0006QS-3G for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 09:29:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Gavin Crawford To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 09:27:24 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Postscript file sizes Message-ID: <4c13561a49gav@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <1sarh8EmmyD$Ew46@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c108bb78cgav@crawford-print.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article , David Pilling wrote: > >I may regret saying this tomorrow, but it appears this is due to a > >compiler bug. > Not so. Oops. I'd left an assembler file generated by an earlier C > compiler in the source code folders. > Anyway there now is a 2.71 upgrade available. It would be good if > someone could try it and see if the upgrade package is OK. Upgrade to 2.71 from the 2.70 I created last week went fine. The JPEG printing is now working again as it should. Thanks David. -- Gavin Crawford email: gav@crawford-print.co.uk web: www.crawford-print.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Jul 17 15:26:35 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1058451973:10:22309:167".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 15:26:35 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1058451973:10:22309:167; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 14:26:13 GMT Received: from smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.32]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id bb1105323; 17 Jul 2003 14:26 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19d8qx-0001AV-00; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 14:31:23 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h6HDUpd13664 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 14:30:51 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h6HDUng13652 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 14:30:50 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 19d8qP-0001Zm-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 14:30:49 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 14:29:22 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Postscript file sizes References: <1sarh8EmmyD$Ew46@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c108bb78cgav@crawford-print.co.uk> <4ce859134c.colin@cstage.argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4ce859134c.colin@cstage.argonet.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >> Anyway there now is a 2.71 upgrade available. It would be good if >> someone could try it and see if the upgrade package is OK. Thanks for the reports. >2.71 seemed to upgrade ok (from 2.70, which had worked pretty well) but >although it loads onto the icon bar, and will open a new page or existing >document, the minute I try to edit it unfailing gives a type 5 error and >quits. I stripped out every single applet, but still crashes I wonder what version of RISC OS etc. you're using. My inclination would be to take a copy of 2.70 and insert the !RunImage from 2.71 into it and see if that works. Should at least isolate many potential problems. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jul 18 01:38:38 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19dJGa-3-2Dw-14.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 01:38:38 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19dJGa-3-2Dw-14; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 00:38:32 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.31]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id ab0329727; 18 Jul 2003 0:35 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19dJDW-0003dD-Oy; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 01:35:22 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h6I0Ync07594 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 01:34:49 +0100 Received: from mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (mta02-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.42]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h6I0YlX07586 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 01:34:47 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from localhost ([62.254.40.17]) by mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20030718003446.JJOK4771.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@localhost> for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 01:34:46 +0100 Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 00:40:37 +0100 From: To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Postscript file sizes Message-ID: References: <1sarh8EmmyD$Ew46@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c108bb78cgav@crawford-print.co.uk> <4ce859134c.colin@cstage.argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Centre Stage User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60a (MsgServe/2.01beta) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message David Pilling wrote: [snip] > > 2.71 seemed to upgrade ok (from 2.70, which had worked pretty well) but > > although it loads onto the icon bar, and will open a new page or > > existing document, the minute I try to edit it unfailing gives a type 5 > > error and quits. I stripped out every single applet, but still crashes > > I wonder what version of RISC OS etc. you're using. 4.02 with patches - but as I say 2.70 works OK, and I have, as far as I know, all the right 32bit applets to ensure its proper working > My inclination would be to take a copy of 2.70 and insert the !RunImage > from 2.71 into it and see if that works. Should at least isolate many > potential problems. > Assuming I'm understanding right, and that you mean open up !Freshen and 'manually' copy over the new !RunImage to 2.70, I did this but I still get the instant type 5 -- Colin Carnegie colinc@argonet.co.uk www.argonet.co.uk/users/cstage -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jul 18 02:35:06 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19dK8B-3-2qt-t.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 02:35:06 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19dK8B-3-2qt-t; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 01:33:55 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.31]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id aa0309584; 18 Jul 2003 1:33 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19dK7c-0005pm-6U; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 02:33:20 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h6I1XGM19732 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 02:33:16 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h6I1XFr19727 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 02:33:15 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19dJno-000NYp-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 02:12:52 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 02:11:29 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Postscript file sizes References: <1sarh8EmmyD$Ew46@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c108bb78cgav@crawford-print.co.uk> <4ce859134c.colin@cstage.argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >4.02 with patches - but as I say 2.70 works OK, and I have, as far as I >know, all the right 32bit applets to ensure its proper working I've just upgraded my copy of 2.70 on my RISC PC, with RISC OS 4.02, and that seems to work OK. I don't have any idea why your copy is not working. So guessing, looking at the changes file I see I changed the way colour charts memory is allocated. The real point is that there is a lot involved in two copies of OP being identical, it is not just applets, but colour charts, sets of borders, all sorts of things. I think my suggestion to just change the !RunImage was a bad one, in fact 2.71 needs various new resources. What other clues? As soon as you start typing it crashes... or is it as soon as the document is changed. Various events go off in both cases - but by removing all applets you remove a lot of the things that are likely to go wrong. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jul 18 13:59:49 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19dRCy-1-6mW-32.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 13:59:49 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19dRCy-1-6mW-32; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 09:07:20 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.31]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id aa0124567; 18 Jul 2003 9:06 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19dRBb-00027y-1U; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 10:05:55 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h6I94L007640 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 10:04:21 +0100 Received: from mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (mta03-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.43]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h6I94Ab07413 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 10:04:12 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from localhost ([62.254.40.66]) by mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20030718090408.UHOC2652.mta03-svc.ntlworld.com@localhost> for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 10:04:08 +0100 Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 10:05:40 +0100 From: To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Postscript file sizes Message-ID: <5d71dd134c.colin@cstage.argonet.co.uk> References: <1sarh8EmmyD$Ew46@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c108bb78cgav@crawford-print.co.uk> <4ce859134c.colin@cstage.argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Centre Stage User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60a (MsgServe/2.01beta) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message David Pilling wrote: > >4.02 with patches - but as I say 2.70 works OK, and I have, as far as I > >know, all the right 32bit applets to ensure its proper working > > I've just upgraded my copy of 2.70 on my RISC PC, with RISC OS 4.02, and > that seems to work OK. > > I don't have any idea why your copy is not working. So guessing, looking > at the changes file I see I changed the way colour charts memory is > allocated. The real point is that there is a lot involved in two copies > of OP being identical, it is not just applets, but colour charts, sets > of borders, all sorts of things. > > I think my suggestion to just change the !RunImage was a bad one, in > fact 2.71 needs various new resources. > > What other clues? As soon as you start typing it crashes... Yes - loads ok, but first key touched crashes it > or is it as soon as the document is changed. With an existing document, yes >Various events go off in both cases - but by removing all applets you >remove a lot of the things that are likely to go wrong. I tried it with no applets and a 'vanilla' !Macros file ie without any strange applet buttons or scripts, and took a script of my own in the Library out which set up some variables for use with Impulse and !Powerbase so that I was running as clean a copy as possible. However I've remembered that I saw a lot of other scripts involving R J Thompson's applets, so I'll experiment some more -- Colin Carnegie colinc@argonet.co.uk www.argonet.co.uk/users/cstage -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jul 18 14:53:10 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19dVer-2-6xo-3m.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 14:53:10 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19dVer-2-6xo-3m; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 13:52:25 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.32]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id ab0229674; 18 Jul 2003 13:51 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19dVBc-0005So-00; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 14:22:13 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h6IDLLt18838 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 14:21:21 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h6IDLKW18831 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 14:21:20 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 19dVAl-0002IO-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 14:21:19 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 14:19:46 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Postscript file sizes References: <1sarh8EmmyD$Ew46@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c108bb78cgav@crawford-print.co.uk> <4ce859134c.colin@cstage.argonet.co.uk> <5d71dd134c.colin@cstage.argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <5d71dd134c.colin@cstage.argonet.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >so that I was running as clean a copy as possible. However I've remembered >that I saw a lot of other scripts involving R J Thompson's applets, so I'll >experiment some more It would be worth removing those. I've added a menu entry in 2.71, it sounds a bit far fetched but if any applet has changed the menus files there is scope for things to go wrong. It would not be a happy situation if everyone has to go back to their CD before upgrading - because you'd have to reinstall all the applets. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jul 18 15:22:27 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1058538091:11:27526:37".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 15:22:27 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1058538091:11:27526:37; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 14:21:31 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.31]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1125778; 18 Jul 2003 14:20 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19dW5l-0004w9-G7; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 15:20:13 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h6IEK4a10535 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 15:20:04 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h6IEK3Y10531 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 15:20:03 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 19dW5b-0003XX-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 15:20:03 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 15:18:23 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Latest Windows Version 14th July References: <1sarh8EmmyD$Ew46@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c108bb78cgav@crawford-print.co.uk> <4ce859134c.colin@cstage.argonet.co.uk> <5d71dd134c.colin@cstage.argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Hi, I've put up a new Windows version of Ovation Pro. http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/opw.html this one works until the 24th September. A new feature is multiple users. So Bob and Carol who share the same PC can have different sets of applets loaded, different program choices and so on. This is something which people have always talked about (on RISC OS too, since it started to move in the direction of allowing different users to set things up their own way). Just how popular it turns out to be we will find out. Anyway various bits and bobs now reside in the Application Data folder of the current user profile. e.g. on XP; C:\Documents and Settings\David Pilling\Application Data\DavidPilling\OvationPro elsewhere on other versions of Windows. This folder and the various files which live there only appears once you save them e.g. clicking on Save in choices. As mentioned a couple of weeks back this version should display all available printers on W9X and print bitmaps the right way up on various printer drivers (HP PCL). John Ferguson has done a huge amount of work on the appearance of the program. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jul 18 18:42:04 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19dZF1-2-73W-16.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 18:42:04 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19dZF1-2-73W-16; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 17:41:59 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.30]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id aa0223618; 18 Jul 2003 17:41 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19dZDk-0007kh-00; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 18:40:40 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h6IHdKC16334 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 18:39:20 +0100 Received: from scrabble.freeuk.net (scrabble.freeuk.net [212.126.144.29]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h6IHdJr16325 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 18:39:19 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from du-007-0080.freeuk.com ([212.126.143.80] helo=freeuk) by scrabble.freeuk.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19dZCQ-000JAH-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 18:39:18 +0100 Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 17:37:41 +0100 From: Denys Wells To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Postscript file sizes Message-ID: <3ad306144c.dmw@denyswells.freeuk.com,dwells@argonet.co.uk> References: <1sarh8EmmyD$Ew46@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c108bb78cgav@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (MsgServe/2.02) (RISC-OS/4.36) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message you wrote: > >I may regret saying this tomorrow, but it appears this is due to a > >compiler bug. > > Not so. Oops. I'd left an assembler file generated by an earlier C > compiler in the source code folders. > > Anyway there now is a 2.71 upgrade available. It would be good if > someone could try it and see if the upgrade package is OK. > Have just made ps file with 2.71, from same OPro doc. that I ran previously on 2.70. File is 12-page A4 pamphlet with 8 JPEG's (all 24-bit) totalling 3.7Mb : OPro file size is only 311kb, as all pictures are referenced and proxied. With 2.70 the ps file size was 53Mb, with 2.71 it is only 35Mb, so there is clearly an improvement: converted to pdf in !Ghostscript the pdf file was 1661Mb, compared with 1641Mb previously, and it rendered perfectly in !PDF. The ps file also rendered OK (though slowly) in !RiScript. The only oddity was that the pictures in the open OPro document after printing ps to file all had black background: this cleared after scrolling though, so no real problem. -- Denys Wells -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jul 18 20:07:47 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1058555206:21:15887:1905".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 20:07:47 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1058555206:21:15887:1905; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 19:06:46 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.30]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2115748; 18 Jul 2003 18:50 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19daIp-00005D-00; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 19:49:59 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h6IInNp01947 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 19:49:23 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h6IInLG01929 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 19:49:21 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19daIB-000INU-0Y for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 19:49:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 19:29:24 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Latest Windows Version 14th July Message-ID: <4c14110ddeJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <1sarh8EmmyD$Ew46@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c108bb78cgav@crawford-print.co.uk> <4ce859134c.colin@cstage.argonet.co.uk> <5d71dd134c.colin@cstage.argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article , David Pilling wrote: > A new feature is multiple users. So Bob and Carol ... > Anyway various bits and bobs now reside ... Where does carol live? -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jul 18 22:01:43 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1058562071:11:06507:37".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 22:01:43 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1058562071:11:06507:37; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 21:01:11 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.30]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1106262; 18 Jul 2003 21:00 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19dcL2-0006YM-00; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 22:00:24 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h6IKwOl04539 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 21:58:25 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h6IKwN104532 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 21:58:23 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19dcJ4-000CQn-0V for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 21:58:22 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 21:57:07 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Latest Windows Version 14th July References: <1sarh8EmmyD$Ew46@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c108bb78cgav@crawford-print.co.uk> <4ce859134c.colin@cstage.argonet.co.uk> <5d71dd134c.colin@cstage.argonet.co.uk> <4c14110ddeJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4c14110ddeJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >Where does carol live? With Remote Desktop (tm) in Windows XP (tm), anywhere she wants to. Y'all buy a copy today. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jul 18 22:56:13 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19ddCm-2-5Qr-3w.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 22:56:13 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19ddCm-2-5Qr-3w; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 21:55:56 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.31]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id ab0223397; 18 Jul 2003 21:55 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19ddCP-0002TQ-2h; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 22:55:33 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h6ILtRi19120 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 22:55:27 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h6ILtPF19103 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 22:55:25 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from bvista.demon.co.uk ([194.222.32.134]) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 19ddCG-0007NU-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 22:55:24 +0100 Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 22:20:52 +0100 (BST) From: "A.F. Taylor" Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Latest Windows Version 14th July To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Arthur Taylor X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In on Fri 18 Jul, David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > > I've put up a new Windows version of Ovation Pro. > > http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/opw.html > > this one works until the 24th September. > snip Seems to work fine on the PC card/Windows 95 - the problem I had with the 2 previous versions not running was cured by reinstalling Windows :-/ - except for the invisible text cursor in 256 colour modes. -- Arthur Taylor, Poole, Dorset -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Jul 19 14:00:04 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19dnT4-2-7Oa-5p.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 14:00:04 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19dnT4-2-7Oa-5p; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 08:53:26 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.32]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id aa0229537; 19 Jul 2003 8:52 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19dnSB-0004Hd-00; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 09:52:31 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h6J8pwi26574 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 09:51:58 +0100 Received: from smtp-out1.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out1.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.4]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h6J8pwb26569 for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 09:51:58 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from RPC ([80.193.139.24]) by smtp-out1.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Sat, 19 Jul 2003 09:51:56 +0100 Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 01:20:32 +0100 From: Bruce Goatly To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Latest Windows Version 14th July Message-ID: <603331144c%ovation@goatly.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Perfect Page X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b User-Agent: POPstar/2.05 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jul 2003 08:51:57.0008 (UTC) FILETIME=[02646D00:01C34DD3] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > > I've put up a new Windows version of Ovation Pro. > > http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/opw.html > > this one works until the 24th September. Can I just check - does the Windows version of OvPro work with TrueType fonts only, or can it handle PostScript fonts? I have materials I'd like to port over (mainly out of interest) but the Windows version of the font is I believe available only in PostScript; when I installed the fonts via ATM they stubbornly remained invisible to Ovation, even after a reboot. (I'm using WinME, if it makes any odds.) Bruce -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Jul 19 14:00:04 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19dnyU-0004La-Fy-0004Ms.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 14:00:04 +0100 Return-path: Received: for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 09:25:56 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19dnyU-0004La-Fy; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 09:25:54 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19dnyQ-0001eh-H2; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 10:25:50 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h6J9PZ700822 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 10:25:35 +0100 Received: from mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (mta02-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.42]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h6J9PUp00805 for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 10:25:30 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from localhost ([62.254.36.74]) by mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20030719092529.XHMP4771.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@localhost> for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 10:25:29 +0100 Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 10:26:08 +0100 From: To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Postscript file sizes Message-ID: <192763144c.colin@cstage.argonet.co.uk> References: <1sarh8EmmyD$Ew46@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c108bb78cgav@crawford-print.co.uk> <4ce859134c.colin@cstage.argonet.co.uk> <5d71dd134c.colin@cstage.argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Centre Stage User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60a (MsgServe/2.01beta) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message David Pilling wrote: > > It would not be a happy situation if everyone has to go back to their CD > before upgrading - because you'd have to reinstall all the applets. > > I've just done exactly that - 2.60 off my CD, ran !Freshen etc, ran the new !OvnPro, got an error message about !ColSup being 26 bit, copied over !ColSup from my working 2.70 (but no other applet in the Applets dir), ran !OvnPro again, it loaded, I started to type and... !Crash !Bother -- Colin Carnegie colinc@argonet.co.uk www.argonet.co.uk/users/cstage -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Jul 19 14:15:07 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19drYC-0002SC-Cx-0002UE.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 14:15:07 +0100 Return-path: Received: for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 13:15:01 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19drYC-0002SC-Cx; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 13:15:00 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19drY3-00039K-S0; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 14:14:51 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h6JDEDC24740 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 14:14:13 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h6JDEB024731 for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 14:14:11 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 19drXP-0004F2-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 14:14:11 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 14:13:09 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Latest Windows Version 14th July References: <603331144c%ovation@goatly.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <603331144c%ovation@goatly.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >fonts only, or can it handle PostScript fonts? I have materials I'd like to >port over (mainly out of interest) but the Windows version of the font is >I believe available only in PostScript; when I installed the fonts via ATM >they stubbornly remained invisible to Ovation, even after a reboot. (I'm >using WinME, if it makes any odds.) I believe not. I believe people would find this useful. I'm not too sure just how one goes about using PS fonts - I dimly recall that NT/XP will generate a TT font automatically when you install it. And do you need Adobe Type Manager on other varieties of Windows? -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Jul 19 14:17:08 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19draC-3-5NQ-1O.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 14:17:08 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19draC-3-5NQ-1O; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 13:17:04 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.30]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id aa0319636; 19 Jul 2003 13:16 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19drZQ-0003aZ-00; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 14:16:16 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h6JDGD425176 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 14:16:13 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h6JDGCZ25170 for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 14:16:12 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 19drZM-0004q3-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 14:16:12 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 14:14:51 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Postscript file sizes References: <1sarh8EmmyD$Ew46@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c108bb78cgav@crawford-print.co.uk> <4ce859134c.colin@cstage.argonet.co.uk> <5d71dd134c.colin@cstage.argonet.co.uk> <192763144c.colin@cstage.argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <192763144c.colin@cstage.argonet.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >I've just done exactly that - 2.60 off my CD, ran !Freshen etc, ran the new >!OvnPro, got an error message about !ColSup being 26 bit, copied over >!ColSup from my working 2.70 (but no other applet in the Applets dir), ran >!OvnPro again, it loaded, I started to type and... !Crash The way out of this is for me to send you a debug !RunImage which will when it type 5's print out a stack backtrace indicating exactly where it is failing. So if that's OK with you, I'll do that. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Jul 19 15:18:39 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1058624300:11:07350:41".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 15:18:39 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1058624300:11:07350:41; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 14:18:20 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.31]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1107431; 19 Jul 2003 14:18 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19dsX7-0002uu-9v; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 15:17:57 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h6JEHD807357 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 15:17:13 +0100 Received: from smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.7]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h6JEHAM07323 for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 15:17:11 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from RPC ([80.193.139.24]) by smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Sat, 19 Jul 2003 15:17:08 +0100 Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 15:12:31 +0100 From: Bruce Goatly To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Latest Windows Version 14th July Message-ID: <225f7d144c%ovation@goatly.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Perfect Page X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b User-Agent: POPstar/2.05 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jul 2003 14:17:09.0355 (UTC) FILETIME=[70A84BB0:01C34E00] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message David Pilling wrote: > >fonts only, or can it handle PostScript fonts? I have materials I'd like to > >port over (mainly out of interest) but the Windows version of the font is > >I believe available only in PostScript; when I installed the fonts via ATM > >they stubbornly remained invisible to Ovation, even after a reboot. (I'm > >using WinME, if it makes any odds.) > > I believe not. I believe people would find this useful. I'm not too sure > just how one goes about using PS fonts - I dimly recall that NT/XP will > generate a TT font automatically when you install it. And do you need > Adobe Type Manager on other varieties of Windows? I think so - but because you need to use ATM to install PostScript fonts (at least in ME), anyone wanting to use them must by definition have the required software. Bruce (speaking from ignorance, mind) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Jul 19 15:59:59 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1058626760:21:19900:48".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 15:59:59 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1058626760:21:19900:48; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 14:59:20 GMT Received: from smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.32]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2119507; 19 Jul 2003 14:58 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19dtAZ-0000Na-00; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 15:58:43 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h6JEweB18663 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 15:58:40 +0100 Received: from smtpq3.home.nl (smtpq3.home.nl [213.51.128.198]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h6JEwdb18657 for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 15:58:39 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [213.51.128.132] (port=39285 helo=smtp1.home.nl) by smtpq3.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19dtAU-0000bn-Cl for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 16:58:38 +0200 Received: from cp418204-a.dbsch1.nb.home.nl ([217.123.44.165]:55215 helo=padua) by smtp1.home.nl with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 19dtAT-00055r-DR for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 16:58:37 +0200 Message-ID: <001a01c34e0e$f10f8260$6502a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: "Ovation Pro" References: <603331144c%ovation@goatly.co.uk> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Latest Windows Version 14th July Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 17:00:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-MailScanner-Information: Neem contact op met support@home.nl voor meer informatie X-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On Saturday, July 19, 2003 2:13 PM, David Pilling wrote: >> fonts only, or can it handle PostScript fonts? I have materials I'd >> like to port over (mainly out of interest) but the Windows version >> of the font is I believe available only in PostScript; when I >> installed the fonts via ATM they stubbornly remained invisible to >> Ovation, even after a reboot. (I'm using WinME, if it makes any >> odds.) > > I believe not. I believe people would find this useful. I'm not too > sure just how one goes about using PS fonts - I dimly recall that > NT/XP will generate a TT font automatically when you install it. And > do you need > Adobe Type Manager on other varieties of Windows? NT4 comes with a Type1 to TT converter, which install TrueTypes from supplied Type1's. Win2000 and XP can install Type1 fonts without Adobe Type manager. You can have a mixture of TT and T1 fonts installed (and OpenType) as long as the fonts don't have the same name. Other Windows versions need Adobe Type Manager and of course the correct font files of a Type1 font, needed to install the fonts (.pfm and .pfb). Adobe Type Manager Light is a free download from Adobe's website. In two flavours for different windows versions. Win2000 and XP can do without Adobe Type Manager, but, in case of use of XP, you also need a fix ... It would be great to be able to use Type1 fonts in OP4Win. The rendering/anti aliasing -as far as I have seen it- of Type1 fonts compared to TrueTypes is so much better. Anybody who has Acrobat Reader and a pdf with text (always rendered with a kind of Type1 technology in Acrobat) can easily see the difference, when such a pdf is compared with natively used TrueType fonts ... Tonnie -- Mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Jul 19 16:06:02 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1058627158:21:03051:68".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 16:06:02 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1058627158:21:03051:68; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 15:05:58 GMT Received: from smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.32]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2104573; 19 Jul 2003 15:05 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19dtH7-0000p4-00; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 16:05:29 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h6JF5Oo20757 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 16:05:24 +0100 Received: from mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (mta05-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.45]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h6JF5OK20753 for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 16:05:24 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from localhost ([62.254.36.39]) by mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20030719150523.JFKB28183.mta05-svc.ntlworld.com@localhost> for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 16:05:23 +0100 Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 15:59:31 +0100 From: To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Postscript file sizes Message-ID: <8bac81144c.colin@cstage.argonet.co.uk> References: <1sarh8EmmyD$Ew46@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c108bb78cgav@crawford-print.co.uk> <4ce859134c.colin@cstage.argonet.co.uk> <5d71dd134c.colin@cstage.argonet.co.uk> <192763144c.colin@cstage.argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Centre Stage User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60a (MsgServe/2.01beta) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message David Pilling wrote: [snip] > The way out of this is for me to send you a debug !RunImage which will > when it type 5's print out a stack backtrace indicating exactly where it > is failing. So if that's OK with you, I'll do that. > > Did you send that already - I think !Antispam may have deleted it with a badly thought out rule of mine - could you send it again please Thank you Colin -- Colin Carnegie colinc@argonet.co.uk www.argonet.co.uk/users/cstage -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Jul 19 17:44:51 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19dup2-2-6eh-u.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 17:44:51 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19dup2-2-6eh-u; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 16:44:36 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.30]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id aa0223066; 19 Jul 2003 16:43 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19dunv-0004rl-00; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 17:43:27 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h6JGglR14085 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 17:42:47 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h6JGgkk14077 for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 17:42:46 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 19dunF-0000mB-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 17:42:45 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 17:41:23 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Latest Windows Version 14th July References: <603331144c%ovation@goatly.co.uk> <001a01c34e0e$f10f8260$6502a8c0@padua> In-Reply-To: <001a01c34e0e$f10f8260$6502a8c0@padua> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Hi, >NT4 comes with a Type1 to TT converter, which install TrueTypes from >supplied Type1's. > >Win2000 and XP can install Type1 fonts without Adobe Type manager. You can >have a mixture of TT and T1 fonts installed (and OpenType) as long as the >fonts don't have the same name. So how does one make NT or XP install a type 1 without the OS converting it to a TT? i.e. NT/XP will grab the type 1 and automatically convert it without asking permission or giving a choice. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Jul 19 17:44:51 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1058633065:11:08439:53".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 17:44:51 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1058633065:11:08439:53; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 16:44:25 GMT Received: from smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.32]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1108843; 19 Jul 2003 16:44 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19duod-0008HR-00; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 17:44:11 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h6JGi7414411 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 17:44:07 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h6JGi6H14405 for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 17:44:06 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 19duoY-0001CI-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 17:44:06 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 17:42:32 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Using SWIs from Applets/Macros References: <1sarh8EmmyD$Ew46@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c108bb78cgav@crawford-print.co.uk> <4ce859134c.colin@cstage.argonet.co.uk> <5d71dd134c.colin@cstage.argonet.co.uk> <192763144c.colin@cstage.argonet.co.uk> <8bac81144c.colin@cstage.argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <8bac81144c.colin@cstage.argonet.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >Subject: Using SWIs from Applets/Macros >From: "Andrew Conroy" Is it possible to use SWIs which take a textual componant (eg. SWI "OS_CLI","Help"+CHR$0 - not that I'm using that one) from within an applet/Macro? I realise in BASIC etc. you'd allocate a block of memory and write your text there, then just point r0 at block%, but I don't know how to do that from the scripting language. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Andrew -- Andrew Conroy (Via WebMail) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Jul 19 17:45:51 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1058633145:11:11364:48".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 17:45:51 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1058633145:11:11364:48; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 16:45:45 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.30]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1112212; 19 Jul 2003 16:45 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19dupw-000546-00; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 17:45:32 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h6JGjSE14710 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 17:45:28 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h6JGjR714707 for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 17:45:27 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 19dupr-0001ZO-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 17:45:27 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 17:43:56 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Using SWIs from Applets/Macros References: <1sarh8EmmyD$Ew46@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c108bb78cgav@crawford-print.co.uk> <4ce859134c.colin@cstage.argonet.co.uk> <5d71dd134c.colin@cstage.argonet.co.uk> <192763144c.colin@cstage.argonet.co.uk> <8bac81144c.colin@cstage.argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <8bac81144c.colin@cstage.argonet.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Err no you can't use a string in a SWI in the script language in OP. I think you'd be left calling an external program (e.g. a bit of Basic) to do the work and pass the string back to you - via system variable, file etc. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jul 22 19:54:26 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19dwiN-2-2lZ-p.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 19:54:26 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19dwiN-2-2lZ-p; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 18:45:51 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.31]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id ab0210443; 19 Jul 2003 18:45 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19dwi9-0005Pv-UR; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 19:45:37 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h6JIjX109457 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 19:45:33 +0100 Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h6JIjWl09450 for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 19:45:32 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [62.188.24.202] (helo=bw26.argonet.co.uk) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 19dwi0-0001LP-1J for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 19:45:28 +0100 Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 12:21:18 +0100 From: Ian Wolfe To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Latest Windows Version 14th July Message-ID: <35b26d144c.jwolfe@argonet.co.uk> References: <1sarh8EmmyD$Ew46@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c108bb78cgav@crawford-print.co.uk> <4ce859134c.colin@cstage.argonet.co.uk> <5d71dd134c.colin@cstage.argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: none whatsoever User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (MsgServe/2.02) (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message you wrote: > As mentioned a couple of weeks back this version should display all > available printers on W9X and print bitmaps the right way up on various > printer drivers (HP PCL). Err...my coloured Wolf (which I sent you quite some time back) is I'm afraid continuing to be uncooperative, ie printing upside down. But thanks for the continuing upgrades. -- Ian Wolfe. Linlithgow. Birthplace of Mary, Queen of Scots. Blessed are the peacemakers. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jul 22 19:54:26 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19dx9t-2-4Bs-2R.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 19:54:26 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19dx9t-2-4Bs-2R; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 19:14:17 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.32]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id aa0215023; 19 Jul 2003 19:12 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19dx82-0001DU-00; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 20:12:22 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h6JJCB915328 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 20:12:11 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h6JJCAk15313 for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 20:12:10 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 19dx7o-00063H-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 20:12:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 18:55:10 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Latest Windows Version 14th July Message-ID: <4c1491c183Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <1sarh8EmmyD$Ew46@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c108bb78cgav@crawford-print.co.uk> <4ce859134c.colin@cstage.argonet.co.uk> <5d71dd134c.colin@cstage.argonet.co.uk> <4c14110ddeJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article , David Pilling wrote: > >Where does carol live? > With Remote Desktop (tm) in Windows XP (tm), anywhere she wants to. > Y'all buy a copy today. Sorry, I meant that as a joke, because of the "bob" in "bits and bobs".. -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jul 22 19:54:27 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19dyCW-2-5Mi-3I.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 19:54:27 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19dyCW-2-5Mi-3I; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 20:21:04 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.31]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id aa0205063; 19 Jul 2003 20:18 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19dy9y-0001aH-5Q; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 21:18:26 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h6JKHmq30012 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 21:17:48 +0100 Received: from mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (mta02-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.42]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h6JKHlQ30002 for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 21:17:47 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from localhost ([62.254.36.166]) by mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20030719201745.HMOQ4771.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@localhost> for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 21:17:45 +0100 Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 21:17:17 +0100 From: To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OP 2.71 debug !RunImage again Message-ID: <56c49e144c.colin@cstage.argonet.co.uk> References: <2bd494144c.colin@cstage.argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <2bd494144c.colin@cstage.argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: Centre Stage User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60a (MsgServe/2.01beta) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by svr1.spellings.net id h6JKHlQ30005 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message <2bd494144c.colin@cstage.argonet.co.uk> colinc@argonet.co.uk wrote: [snip] > The debug version of the !RunImage gets OPro to work without crashing - > so far - even with my fully appleted version 2.71. If I come across > anything I'll send it in of course. Does it report itself, or do I have > to 'manually' note the details. If the former, where would an output file > end up?. If the latter, I have a copy of an application called !Bugz, > never used so far - would that be suitable (if I can get my head around > it) > > !Thanks Hi I think I spoke too soon - it does still work, but there are error messages appearing on the desktop. If you will permit it I'll send (not to the list) some screen shots, because one of the error messages is broken up by my monitor, but you might be able to recognise it. There are three screen grabs from !Snapper and the total zip file is 1.2Mb. Colin -- Colin Carnegie colinc@argonet.co.uk www.argonet.co.uk/users/cstage -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jul 22 19:54:29 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19e0NQ-3-2pK-2q.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 19:54:29 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19e0NQ-3-2pK-2q; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 22:40:28 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.30]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id aa0329156; 19 Jul 2003 22:24 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19e07T-0004h4-00; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 23:23:59 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h6JMMQq25146 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 23:22:26 +0100 Received: from smtpq1.home.nl (smtpq1.home.nl [213.51.128.196]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h6JMMP925141 for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 23:22:25 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [213.51.128.133] (port=56443 helo=smtp2.home.nl) by smtpq1.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19e05w-00048a-PN for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 20 Jul 2003 00:22:24 +0200 Received: from cp418204-a.dbsch1.nb.home.nl ([217.123.44.165]:55626 helo=padua) by smtp2.home.nl with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 19e05v-0004Gv-6d for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 20 Jul 2003 00:22:23 +0200 Message-ID: <001901c34e4c$ef3c18c0$6502a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: "Ovation Pro" References: <603331144c%ovation@goatly.co.uk> <001a01c34e0e$f10f8260$6502a8c0@padua> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Latest Windows Version 14th July Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 00:24:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-MailScanner-Information: Neem contact op met support@home.nl voor meer informatie X-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On Saturday, July 19, 2003 5:41 PM, David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > >> NT4 comes with a Type1 to TT converter, which install TrueTypes from >> supplied Type1's. >> >> Win2000 and XP can install Type1 fonts without Adobe Type manager. >> You can have a mixture of TT and T1 fonts installed (and OpenType) >> as long as the fonts don't have the same name. > > So how does one make NT or XP install a type 1 without the OS > converting it to a TT? > > i.e. NT/XP will grab the type 1 and automatically convert it without > asking permission or giving a choice. In XP and Win2000 (without Adobe Type Manager) One needs a .pfm and a .pfb file (there are also .afm, .inf and .cfg files) for a Type1 font to install in XP or Win2000. 1) Open Control Panel-->Fonts-->File-->Install New Font. Browse to the folder, in which the .pfm and .pfb file is present (or more than one) and select it to install. 2) Or open the folder with .pfm and .pfb and drop the .pfm in an open Control Panel-->Fonts folder. So, yes, XP and Win2000 install a Type1 without 'asking', but not as a TrueType, but as a Type1. BTW, if you have e.g. a CorelXara CD or CorelVentura or CorelDraw, most of these programs come with Type1 folders with the correct files, so you can see for yourself in XP and NT4. And of course, The EFF Typographic 2 CD also offers these .pfm and .pfb files ! Note 1: the installed .pfm is bigger in size than the .pfm, used for installation. It 'bundles' the original .pfm and .pfb. When you uninstall this .pfm (move it to harddisc) it is split up again. Note 2: only programs, which accept Type1's will offer them in the font menu AND with a different icon, than you see for TrueTypes. Note 3: in Character Map (charmap.exe) or in Accessories-->System Tools (in W2K), TrueTypes and Type1's can be seen. Note4: double-click on TrueType or .pfm for Type displays a 'demo' of the font. This can be done for installed and not-installed fonts. In NT4 -without Adobe Type manager-, the .pfm isn't installed. You get an option to let NT4 make you a TrueType of this font to install in Fonts and to store the Type1 files in a special folder. So, NT4 installs no Type1, but as a Truetype 'with asking you, how you want it' .. Tonnie -- Mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jul 22 19:54:37 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19eGWk-3-52a-r.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 19:54:37 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19eGWk-3-52a-r; Sun, 20 Jul 2003 15:55:10 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.31]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id aa0317463; 20 Jul 2003 15:54 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19eGVo-0004ga-Fn; Sun, 20 Jul 2003 16:54:12 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h6KFrIS27107 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 20 Jul 2003 16:53:18 +0100 Received: from gilliam.netcom.co.uk (gilliam.netcom.co.uk [217.72.171.52]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with SMTP id h6KFrGR27089 for ; Sun, 20 Jul 2003 16:53:17 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: (qmail 26939 invoked by uid 1004); 20 Jul 2003 15:53:10 -0000 Received: from thilm@netcom.co.uk by gilliam by uid 1001 with qmail-scanner-1.16 (sophie: 2.14/3.70. spamassassin: 2.55. Clear:. Processed in 0.774205 secs); 20 Jul 2003 15:53:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO thilm.netcom.co.uk) (217.72.173.81) by gilliam.netcom.co.uk with SMTP; 20 Jul 2003 15:53:02 -0000 Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 16:51:28 +0100 (BST) From: Thilmcraft Graphics Subject: [softwarelist] OPro 2.71?? To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by svr1.spellings.net id h6KFrHR27091 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist I designed an A3 folded brochure in OPro 2.70 with three jpeg pictures and produced a 42Mb PostScript file. Plates were made and the printed brochure looks fine - there seemed to be no problems, apart from the size of the file. I downloaded OPro 2.71 and installed it with no problems, no errors or messages. However, when I tried to print an A4 folded leaflet to LaserDirect LBP4 the computer froze with an error message flickering so rapidly I could not read it! Alt+Break and Ctrl+Break did not restore or reset; only the reset button on the rear of RPC StrongArm SA110 ROS 4.02. I tried again, the computer froze with no message. I tried with OPro 2.70 and the leaflet printed with no problem. I thought I would see what OPro 2.71 would do with the A3 folded brochure and it produced a 2287Kb PostScript file! Eighteen times less??!! I am very confused! I apologise to David if my narrative above is not accurate enough for diagnosis, but as I was not expecting trouble I was not in full observation mode. Sorry. Unfortunately both files are not very small to email to you. If you want me to send a CDR with them on to check, I will be happy to do so. -- Tim Pegg Thilmcraft Graphics ©, Dereham Digital Centre, Wellington, Swaffham Road, Dereham, Norfolk NR19 2AZ http://www.derehamdigitalcentre.co.uk Tel/Fax(On request) No: +44(0)1362 691690 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jul 22 19:54:40 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19eUps-3-Oy-18.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 19:54:40 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19eUps-3-Oy-18; Mon, 21 Jul 2003 07:11:52 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.30]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id aa0301853; 21 Jul 2003 7:11 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19eUpS-0002ZT-00; Mon, 21 Jul 2003 08:11:26 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h6L7Al318387 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 21 Jul 2003 08:10:47 +0100 Received: from smtp.mailbox.co.uk (smtp.mailbox.net.uk [195.82.125.32]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h6L7Ak718381 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2003 08:10:46 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [212.18.234.229] (helo=bd39.argonet.co.uk) by smtp.mailbox.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19eUon-0003qH-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 21 Jul 2003 08:10:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Owl-Art Un-Ltd." To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 08:08:14 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Using SWIs from Applets/Macros Message-ID: <4c155e32e9owlart@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <1sarh8EmmyD$Ew46@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c108bb78cgav@crawford-print.co.uk> <4ce859134c.colin@cstage.argonet.co.uk> <5d71dd134c.colin@cstage.argonet.co.uk> <192763144c.colin@cstage.argonet.co.uk> <8bac81144c.colin@cstage.argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article , David Pilling wrote: > Err no you can't use a string in a SWI in the script language in OP. I > think you'd be left calling an external program (e.g. a bit of Basic) > to do the work and pass the string back to you - via system variable, > file etc. Thanks. I was beginning to suspect that would have to be my approach. Andrew -- http://www.owlart.net/ +----------------------------------------+---------------------------------+ | Owl-Art Un-Ltd. Design and Print Work | email: Sales@owlart.net | | Coming to you on an Acorn RiscPC SA110 | Snail: 58 Newland Road, | | | Worthing, | | Business Cards, Invites, Newsletters, | West Sussex. | | Booklets, Programmes, Original Artwork | BN11 1JX. U.K. | +----------------------------------------+---------------------------------+ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jul 22 19:54:45 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19ecnJ-3-7dJ-17.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 19:54:45 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19ecnJ-3-7dJ-17; Mon, 21 Jul 2003 15:41:45 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.30]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id aa0326773; 21 Jul 2003 15:41 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19ecmN-0003XY-00; Mon, 21 Jul 2003 16:40:47 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h6LFeAu32414 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 21 Jul 2003 16:40:10 +0100 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.184]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h6LFe8M32400 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2003 16:40:08 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.206] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19eclj-0001fT-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 21 Jul 2003 17:40:07 +0200 Received: from [172.179.12.233] (helo=goedel) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19ecli-0007tj-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 21 Jul 2003 17:40:06 +0200 Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 17:41:03 +0200 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Finding the frame inset Message-ID: References: <4c155e65bcowlart@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4c155e65bcowlart@argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (MsgServe/2.02) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.04-pre2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message <4c155e65bcowlart@argonet.co.uk> "Owl-Art Un-Ltd." wrote: > Hello, > > Another odd question I'm afraid! Is it possible to find the inset value > for the selected frame? It looks like it might be possible to read the > overall choices, but I can't see how to read the specific inset for a > given frame. Select the frame, then Menu Object => Modify. This opens the "Modify frame" box that, amongst other things, displays the inset value. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jul 22 19:55:33 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1058639316:21:24623:57".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 19:55:33 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1058639316:21:24623:57; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 18:28:36 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.31]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2124540; 19 Jul 2003 18:28 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19dwQx-0003JY-1k; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 19:27:51 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h6JIRGf05448 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 19:27:16 +0100 Received: from mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (mta07-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.47]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h6JIRFQ05442 for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 19:27:16 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from localhost ([62.254.40.11]) by mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20030719182714.BBTO18592.mta07-svc.ntlworld.com@localhost> for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 19:27:14 +0100 Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 19:28:44 +0100 From: To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OP 2.71 debug !RunImage again Message-ID: <2bd494144c.colin@cstage.argonet.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Centre Stage User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60a (MsgServe/2.01beta) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > > Attached > Hi Thank you (I now have you very high up on my Antispam accept list...) The debug version of the !RunImage gets OPro to work without crashing - so far - even with my fully appleted version 2.71. If I come across anything I'll send it in of course. Does it report itself, or do I have to 'manually' note the details. If the former, where would an output file end up?. If the latter, I have a copy of an application called !Bugz, never used so far - would that be suitable (if I can get my head around it) !Thanks -- Colin Carnegie colinc@argonet.co.uk www.argonet.co.uk/users/cstage -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jul 22 19:56:13 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1058771578:21:14060:182".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 19:56:13 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1058771578:21:14060:182; Mon, 21 Jul 2003 07:12:58 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.31]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2119894; 21 Jul 2003 7:11 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19eUpS-00081C-FK; Mon, 21 Jul 2003 08:11:26 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h6L7B8U18445 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 21 Jul 2003 08:11:08 +0100 Received: from smtp.mailbox.co.uk (smtp.mailbox.co.uk [195.82.125.32]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h6L7B8B18440 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2003 08:11:08 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [212.18.234.229] (helo=bd39.argonet.co.uk) by smtp.mailbox.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19eUpA-0003qf-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 21 Jul 2003 08:11:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Owl-Art Un-Ltd." To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 08:10:24 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Finding the frame inset Message-ID: <4c155e65bcowlart@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Hello, Another odd question I'm afraid! Is it possible to find the inset value for the selected frame? It looks like it might be possible to read the overall choices, but I can't see how to read the specific inset for a given frame. Andrew -- http://www.owlart.net/ +----------------------------------------+---------------------------------+ | Owl-Art Un-Ltd. Design and Print Work | email: Sales@owlart.net | | Coming to you on an Acorn RiscPC SA110 | Snail: 58 Newland Road, | | | Worthing, | | Business Cards, Invites, Newsletters, | West Sussex. | | Booklets, Programmes, Original Artwork | BN11 1JX. U.K. | +----------------------------------------+---------------------------------+ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jul 22 19:56:33 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1058730121:10:29812:51".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 19:56:33 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1058730121:10:29812:51; Sun, 20 Jul 2003 19:42:01 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.30]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1101670; 20 Jul 2003 19:41 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19eK3o-0007re-00; Sun, 20 Jul 2003 20:41:32 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h6KJeog00379 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 20 Jul 2003 20:40:50 +0100 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.189]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h6KJen600370 for ; Sun, 20 Jul 2003 20:40:49 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.155] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19eK37-00086C-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 20 Jul 2003 21:40:49 +0200 Received: from [213.6.49.144] (helo=goedel) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19eK36-0002vE-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 20 Jul 2003 21:40:48 +0200 Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 21:23:20 +0200 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OPro 2.71?? Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (MsgServe/2.02) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.04-pre2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by svr1.spellings.net id h6KJen600373 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message Thilmcraft Graphics wrote: > I designed an A3 folded brochure in OPro 2.70 with three jpeg pictures and > produced a 42Mb PostScript file. Plates were made and the printed brochure > looks fine - there seemed to be no problems, apart from the size of the > file. > > I downloaded OPro 2.71 and installed it with no problems, no errors or > messages. However, when I tried to print an A4 folded leaflet to LaserDirect > LBP4 the computer froze with an error message flickering so rapidly I could > not read it! Alt+Break and Ctrl+Break did not restore or reset; only the > reset button on the rear of RPC StrongArm SA110 ROS 4.02. > > I tried again, the computer froze with no message. I tried with OPro 2.70 > and the leaflet printed with no problem. > > I thought I would see what OPro 2.71 would do with the A3 folded brochure > and it produced a 2287Kb PostScript file! Eighteen times less??!! I am very > confused! No, that is exactly what is to be expected. What else did you expect? That was the whole point of version 2.71. It prints each JPEG to PostScript 'as is' (as earlier versions of OP did before this feature became broken), so JPEGs end up very much smaller. A twenty-fold inrease is not that uncommon when expanding a JPEG to an uncompressed full colour bitmap. The LaserDirect error sounds very familiar. As mentioned above, 2.71 passes JPEGs natively to the printer driver instead of converting them to sprites. There are some technical difficulties related to printing JPEGs to LaserDirect. Have you enabled the "Preprint pass" option in the printing choices? I thought OP would enable that feature automatically when printing JPEGs to LaserDirect but I have not tried. The "preprint pass" is required for this to work. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jul 22 19:56:34 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1058734605:10:05826:38".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 19:56:34 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1058734605:10:05826:38; Sun, 20 Jul 2003 20:56:45 GMT Received: from smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.32]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1101627; 20 Jul 2003 20:56 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19eLE5-0007Gr-00; Sun, 20 Jul 2003 21:56:13 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h6KKtBZ04822 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 20 Jul 2003 21:55:11 +0100 Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h6KKt9D04798 for ; Sun, 20 Jul 2003 21:55:09 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [62.188.133.85] (helo=62.188.133.85) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 19eLCy-0003al-07 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 20 Jul 2003 21:55:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Bob Charlton To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 21:43:01 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OPro 2.71?? Message-ID: <4c1524f54ccharlton@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.02f (RISC-OS/4.33) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist I forget the components pixels or points?... but for some obscure reason Laser Direct wrongly uses 2 times the units x-x axis to y-y axis to map screen data thus to correctly print A4L in proportion it is necessary to use A3L with programs such as RiscCad and Calligraph Printer and software. This sounds like the same problem - disregarding the decompression element of the jpg file mentioned. Guess you resolve to buy a new printer when the drum needs replaced. They are often less than a quarter of the cost now. C/W sware. :-(( Hope this helps Bob -- __ __ __ __ __ __ __ _____________________________________________ |__ |__) |_ |_ | \ | | |\/| __| / | | \ |__ |__ |__/ |__| | | |__ /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines _____________________________________/ charlton@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jul 22 19:56:44 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1058824458:10:10853:37".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 19:56:44 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1058824458:10:10853:37; Mon, 21 Jul 2003 21:54:18 GMT Received: from smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.32]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1120062; 21 Jul 2003 21:53 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19eibM-0008O1-00; Mon, 21 Jul 2003 22:53:48 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h6LLrAe17010 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 21 Jul 2003 22:53:10 +0100 Received: from smtp.mailbox.co.uk (smtp.mailbox.co.uk [195.82.125.32]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h6LLr9B16999 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2003 22:53:09 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [212.18.234.229] (helo=bd39.argonet.co.uk) by smtp.mailbox.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19eiai-0004sW-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 21 Jul 2003 22:53:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Owl-Art Un-Ltd." To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 22:52:10 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Finding the frame inset Message-ID: <4c15af202dowlart@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4c155e65bcowlart@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article , Martin Wuerthner wrote: > In message <4c155e65bcowlart@argonet.co.uk> > "Owl-Art Un-Ltd." wrote: > > Hello, > > > > Another odd question I'm afraid! Is it possible to find the inset > > value for the selected frame? It looks like it might be possible to > > read the overall choices, but I can't see how to read the specific > > inset for a given frame. > Select the frame, then Menu Object => Modify. This opens the "Modify > frame" box that, amongst other things, displays the inset value. Oops, sorry. I should have said I was trying to do it from within an applet! Andrew -- http://www.owlart.net/ +----------------------------------------+---------------------------------+ | Owl-Art Un-Ltd. Design and Print Work | email: Sales@owlart.net | | Coming to you on an Acorn RiscPC SA110 | Snail: 58 Newland Road, | | | Worthing, | | Business Cards, Invites, Newsletters, | West Sussex. | | Booklets, Programmes, Original Artwork | BN11 1JX. U.K. | +----------------------------------------+---------------------------------+ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jul 22 22:31:35 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19f4jD-3-2tC-58.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 22:31:35 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19f4jD-3-2tC-58; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 21:31:23 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.32]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id aa0304032; 22 Jul 2003 21:28 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19f4gS-0006GF-00; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 22:28:32 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h6MLRXc25112 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 22:27:33 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h6MLRWi25104 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 22:27:33 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19f4fU-0004gz-0Y for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 22:27:32 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 22:26:26 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OPro 2.71?? References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >I downloaded OPro 2.71 and installed it with no problems, no errors or >messages. However, when I tried to print an A4 folded leaflet to LaserDirect >LBP4 the computer froze with an error message flickering so rapidly I could >not read it! Alt+Break and Ctrl+Break did not restore or reset; only the >reset button on the rear of RPC StrongArm SA110 ROS 4.02. Martin W is right... See the CDGuide (on the OP CD) document for more information on the problems with JPEG's and Laser Direct/Turbo's. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jul 23 14:11:07 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19fFpC-0004cN-EX-00057j.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2003 14:11:07 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19fFpC-0004cN-EX; Wed, 23 Jul 2003 09:22:40 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19fFpC-0004cN-EX; Wed, 23 Jul 2003 09:22:18 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19fFow-00013Z-00; Wed, 23 Jul 2003 10:22:02 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h6N9LP502027 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 23 Jul 2003 10:21:25 +0100 Received: from mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (mta01-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.41]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h6N9LMs01984 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2003 10:21:23 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from localhost ([62.254.36.16]) by mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20030723092121.HKPL21249.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@localhost> for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2003 10:21:21 +0100 Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 10:22:17 +0100 From: To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] Re: 2.71 debug runimage output Message-ID: References: <6a3cd2144c.colin@cstage.argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Centre Stage User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60a (MsgServe/2.01beta) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by svr1.spellings.net id h6N9LNs01988 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Hi > > But... that's an interesting one about undo bad op code. It makes me > think that a document is always being loaded when the program starts up, > and that document is corrupt. > > It could be the default document that lives inside OP, or it could be a > document somewhere that is being auto loaded on startup. > I'd look for that document. I use a default OP document rather than a DDL document so I'll create a new one and check that out - but the vanilla 2.71 created from the CD, (see below) which still crashes or reports the messages, has an original default doc, so... > The linked point is that have you in all the messing about installed a > new copy of OP on new disc space. I have the following: 1) My original 2.70 upgraded to 2.71 (now with the debug !runimage) which at the moment is renamed ~!OvnPro271 and sits in a master app backup directory $.ResourceCentre.AppsMasterCopies (used to take and keep a copy of any app I'm about to upgrade) 2) My original 2.70 (which I'm using at the moment) in $.Apps 3) A backup of 2.70 which sits in a directory $.Apps.OvPro which also contains all the resources for OP, eg filters, scripts etc 4) A 'vanilla' version 2.71, taken from upgrading 2.60 direct off my master CD, (only recently) in $.Temp. 1, 3, and 4 are never 'seen' unless I open their parent directories; 2 is run by !Boot, and all appropriate filters are 'seen' by !Boot I've tried, eg renaming the filters directory so that !Boot no longer sees them, as well as removing all the applets, but... > > It could be there is no bad document and the message is a symptom of > whatever ails OP on your machine. > Ay, there's the rub... But I'll keep trying various things... Thank you -- Colin Carnegie colinc@argonet.co.uk www.argonet.co.uk/users/cstage -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jul 25 15:22:02 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19fz2z-00026o-8m-0002AN.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 25 Jul 2003 15:22:02 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19fz2z-00026o-8m; Fri, 25 Jul 2003 09:39:35 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19fz2z-00026o-8m; Fri, 25 Jul 2003 09:39:33 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19fz2X-0002rN-5n; Fri, 25 Jul 2003 10:39:05 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h6P9cJe22475 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 25 Jul 2003 10:38:19 +0100 Received: from server0027.freedom2surf.net (server0011.freedom2surf.net [194.106.56.14]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h6P9cIL22464 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 2003 10:38:18 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [192.168.0.5] ([195.137.41.33]) by server0027.freedom2surf.net (8.12.6/8.12.6/Debian-7) with ESMTP id h6P9GLQ8018294 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 2003 09:16:22 GMT Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 10:16:01 +0100 From: Ray Dawson To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] OP Win display problems Message-ID: Mail-Followup-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-Organization: MagRay User-Agent: Gemini/1.13 (Windows-XP) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Using OP Win 13th July. I have been working on documents created with OP 2.71 in RISC OS on my laptop, although that probably isn't relevant. I have frequent display corruptions with the text breaking up - a bit like it does sometimes on RISC OS. More seriously, I find it difficult to place the cursor accurately between characters. If I place it where I think the space is, it actually works a character before. The displayed position seems to be a character or half character out to the right of where it actually is. An example is if there is a number followed by a tab at the left of the page, ie 8(tab) [Text ...] or 14(tab) [Text ...] It is impossible to place the cursor between the tab abd the number. I have to place it at the front of the text and cursor left to get to the right of the number. If I place it to what looks like the right of the number, a left delete removes the CR and not the number. The result of an evenings editing work on a document is a lot of joined words and double spaces :-( Ray D -- ray@raydawson.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jul 25 15:38:02 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19g3h4-0006HD-3U-0006OE.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 25 Jul 2003 15:38:02 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19g3h4-0006HD-3U; Fri, 25 Jul 2003 14:37:17 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19g3h4-0006HD-3U; Fri, 25 Jul 2003 14:37:14 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19g3gl-0001ij-0W; Fri, 25 Jul 2003 15:36:55 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h6PEa5r03340 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 25 Jul 2003 15:36:05 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h6PEa4H03333 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 2003 15:36:04 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 19g3fw-00077w-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 25 Jul 2003 15:36:04 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 15:34:37 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP Win display problems References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >I have frequent display corruptions with the text breaking up - a bit like >it does sometimes on RISC OS. Agreed this is one of the worst existing problems. >More seriously, I find it difficult to place the cursor accurately between >characters. Someone pointed this out to me a while back, and I had a look and came to the conclusion that it was not a bug. However the more I use the program the more I'm inclined to feel that something isn't right. So I will have another look. To an extent all this may depend on screen mode and zoom. For example I was working on a document this week, quite usable, and then I used 'fit screen' and it became horrible. That's the difference between 100% and 98% zoom. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jul 25 18:29:26 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19g6NC-0007SW-E7-0007VF.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 25 Jul 2003 18:29:26 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19g6NC-0007SW-E7; Fri, 25 Jul 2003 17:28:56 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19g6NC-0007SW-E7; Fri, 25 Jul 2003 17:28:54 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19g6Mz-0000XD-CL; Fri, 25 Jul 2003 18:28:41 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h6PHRrv28848 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 25 Jul 2003 18:27:53 +0100 Received: from server0027.freedom2surf.net (server0011.freedom2surf.net [194.106.56.14]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h6PHRqs28837 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 2003 18:27:52 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from RiscPC ([195.137.41.33]) by server0027.freedom2surf.net (8.12.6/8.12.6/Debian-7) with ESMTP id h6PHRpQ8028917 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 2003 17:27:51 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 18:24:21 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OP Win display problems Message-ID: <4c17a5f2f4ray@raydawson.com> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.33) POPstar/2.05 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article , David Pilling wrote: > >I have frequent display corruptions with the text breaking up - a bit > >like it does sometimes on RISC OS. > Agreed this is one of the worst existing problems. > >More seriously, I find it difficult to place the cursor accurately > >between characters. > Someone pointed this out to me a while back, and I had a look and came > to the conclusion that it was not a bug. However the more I use the > program the more I'm inclined to feel that something isn't right. So I > will have another look. > To an extent all this may depend on screen mode and zoom. For example I > was working on a document this week, quite usable, and then I used > 'fit screen' and it became horrible. That's the difference between > 100% and 98% zoom. I'm working at 1024 x 768 at 100% zoom on a laptop. If I use OP for RISC OS under Virtual Acorn on the same laptop, at the same resolution (Full screen) and 100% zoom (or any other zoom), the problem doesn't exist. Cheers, Ray D -- ray@raydawson.com http://www.raydawson.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jul 25 21:58:10 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19g9cn-0000Hd-CL-0000Jz.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 25 Jul 2003 21:58:10 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19g9cn-0000Hd-CL; Fri, 25 Jul 2003 20:57:15 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19g9cn-0000Hd-CL; Fri, 25 Jul 2003 20:57:13 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19g9cW-0003mO-IB; Fri, 25 Jul 2003 21:56:56 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h6PKtWO19664 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 25 Jul 2003 21:55:32 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h6PKtVn19655 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 2003 21:55:31 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 19g9b8-0004HI-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 25 Jul 2003 21:55:31 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 21:53:55 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP Win display problems References: <4c17a5f2f4ray@raydawson.com> In-Reply-To: <4c17a5f2f4ray@raydawson.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >I'm working at 1024 x 768 at 100% zoom on a laptop. I don't want to make excuses the redraws are wrong and need fixing, but just for general interest, the above is not a complete specification, Windows also lets you set the screen resolution. Typical values are 96 dpi aka small fonts and 120 dpi aka large fonts, however many versions of Windows let you pick an arbitrary value. For comparison purposes RISC OS almost always operates in 90 dpi modes. This ability to change screen resolution creates quite a few problems. I use 120 dpi mode for Windows and I frequently encounter programs where I can't use the dialogue boxes because the windows are too small. A good trick (if it worked reliably) is if you've got as much text on your Windows screen as is readable then by turning up the screen resolution and simultaneously increasing the number of pixels on screen you should be able to improve text quality - simply more pixels per character. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Jul 26 14:01:49 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1059202395:10:01564:42".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 26 Jul 2003 14:01:49 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1059202395:10:01564:42; Sat, 26 Jul 2003 06:53:15 GMT Received: from smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.32]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1106326; 26 Jul 2003 6:53 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19gIvA-0006i9-Dw; Sat, 26 Jul 2003 07:52:48 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h6Q6qMp05245 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 26 Jul 2003 07:52:22 +0100 Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h6Q6qLt05239 for ; Sat, 26 Jul 2003 07:52:21 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [62.188.142.162] (helo=62.188.142.162) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 19gIuh-0004ld-I6 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 26 Jul 2003 07:52:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Phil Coates To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 07:52:24 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP Win display problems Message-ID: <4c17efeda9philco.g0coa@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.01g (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 25 Jul, Ray Dawson wrote: > Using OP Win 13th July. > I have been working on documents created with OP 2.71 in RISC OS on my > laptop, although that probably isn't relevant. > I have frequent display corruptions with the text breaking up - a bit like > it does sometimes on RISC OS. > More seriously, I find it difficult to place the cursor accurately between > characters. If I place it where I think the space is, it actually works a > character before. The displayed position seems to be a character or half > character out to the right of where it actually is. > An example is if there is a number followed by a tab at the left of the > page, ie > 8(tab) [Text ...] or > 14(tab) [Text ...] > It is impossible to place the cursor between the tab abd the number. I > have to place it at the front of the text and cursor left to get to the > right of the number. If I place it to what looks like the right of the > number, a left delete removes the CR and not the number. > The result of an evenings editing work on a document is a lot of joined > words and double spaces :-( > Ray D I may have been the one pointing this problem out. I don't use the WIN version of OP but the problem still exists occasionally on my version 2.70. But Rays description is exactly the one I have exprienced. I can not readily repeat the problem, but it occurs usually after carrying out a spellcheck of a current chapter when the cursor is in the middle of a line of text and then immediately saving the file. The cursor having returned to its original pre spellcheck position. To be honest I will have to test out the problem again as I subconsciously work around the potential problem by ensuring that I place the cursor at the end of the current page after a spellcheck before saving. I have not noticed if it occurs on documents with more than one chapter. I don't recall images on the page inducing the occurrence of the problem. Strong Arm RPC here and I use a monitor on 1024 x 768 32,000 colours, 70Hz on an AKF91 driver (though that is not the monitor I use). The problem existed using a previous driver and monitor. This may not be directly related to the problem, but that is when I seem to see it occur. Regards Phil Coates -- .. This email has been sent from a RiscPC which does not run Windows, but it will more than likely read your files. philco.g0coa@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Jul 26 14:01:53 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1059202395:10:01565:44".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 26 Jul 2003 14:01:53 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1059202395:10:01565:44; Sat, 26 Jul 2003 06:53:15 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.30]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1105730; 26 Jul 2003 6:52 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19gIvA-00054S-SH; Sat, 26 Jul 2003 07:52:48 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h6Q6qL605241 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 26 Jul 2003 07:52:21 +0100 Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h6Q6qLa05235 for ; Sat, 26 Jul 2003 07:52:21 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [62.188.142.162] (helo=62.188.142.162) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 19gIue-0004ld-Q8 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 26 Jul 2003 07:52:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Phil Coates To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 07:37:34 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP Win display problems Message-ID: <4c17ee9249philco.g0coa@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.01g (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 25 Jul, David Pilling wrote: > >I have frequent display corruptions with the text breaking up - a bit like > >it does sometimes on RISC OS. > Agreed this is one of the worst existing problems. > >More seriously, I find it difficult to place the cursor accurately between > >characters. > Someone pointed this out to me a while back, and I had a look and came > to the conclusion that it was not a bug. However the more I use the > program the more I'm inclined to feel that something isn't right. So I > will have another look. > To an extent all this may depend on screen mode and zoom. For example I > was working on a document this week, quite usable, and then I used 'fit > screen' and it became horrible. That's the difference between 100% and > 98% zoom. I may have been the one pointing this problem out. I don't use the WIN version of OP but the problem still exists occasionally on my version 2.70. I can not readily repeat the problem, but it occurs usually after carrying out a spellcheck of a current chapter when the cursor is in the middle of a line of text and then immediately saving the file. The cursor having returned to its original pre spellcheck position. To be honest I will have to test out the problem again as I subconsciously work around the potential problem by ensuring that I place the cursor at the end of the current page after a spellcheck before saving. I have not noticed if it occurs on documents with more than one chapter. I don't recall images on the page inducing the occurrence of the problem. This may not be directly related to the problem, but that is when I seem to see it occur. Regards Phil Coates -- .. This email has been sent from a RiscPC which does not run Windows, but it will more than likely read your files. philco.g0coa@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Jul 26 14:09:00 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19gOmg-0007j4-4o-0007ky.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 26 Jul 2003 14:09:00 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19gOmg-0007j4-4o; Sat, 26 Jul 2003 13:08:28 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19gOmg-0007j4-4o; Sat, 26 Jul 2003 13:08:26 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19gOmV-0000f1-BI; Sat, 26 Jul 2003 14:08:15 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h6QD7n018607 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 26 Jul 2003 14:07:49 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h6QD7ma18603 for ; Sat, 26 Jul 2003 14:07:48 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 19gOlz-0005rg-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 26 Jul 2003 14:07:48 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 14:06:22 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP Win display problems References: <4c17ee9249philco.g0coa@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4c17ee9249philco.g0coa@argonet.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >This may not be directly related to the problem, but that is when I seem >to see it occur. I think that is totally different to what Ray was talking about. In the RISC OS version of OP there may be some situations where after text is reflowed the caret position is not recalculated. The problem with OPW is that the caret position is wrong *all the time*, probably due to lack of precision with the Windows font manager. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jul 29 19:19:04 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19goAk-0003yI-5I-000411.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2003 19:19:04 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19goAk-0003yI-5I; Sun, 27 Jul 2003 16:15:00 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19goAk-0003yI-5I; Sun, 27 Jul 2003 16:14:58 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19goAS-0003FD-LW; Sun, 27 Jul 2003 17:14:40 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h6RGEBk05333 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 27 Jul 2003 17:14:11 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h6RGEBs05327 for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2003 17:14:11 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 19go9x-00057r-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 27 Jul 2003 17:14:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 16:39:56 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Unlinking frames Message-ID: <4c18a40fc5Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4c188e10e4barry@e-allen.co.uk> References: <4c188e10e4barry@e-allen.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article <4c188e10e4barry@e-allen.co.uk>, Barry E Allen wrote: > I'm trying to unlink frames. > I select the link tool, all the links show up. > I click on the link I wish to delete, it becomes black. > I press 'delete' and nothing happens. > Am I doing something wrong? Is the link on the master page, and are you editing that? -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jul 29 19:19:05 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19gorH-0003fS-8i-0003gv.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2003 19:19:05 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19gorH-0003fS-8i; Sun, 27 Jul 2003 16:58:57 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19gorH-0003fS-8i; Sun, 27 Jul 2003 16:58:55 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19gor9-0003dQ-JS; Sun, 27 Jul 2003 17:58:47 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h6RGwfK15712 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 27 Jul 2003 17:58:41 +0100 Received: from carbon.btinternet.com (carbon.btinternet.com [194.73.73.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h6RGweK15707 for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2003 17:58:40 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from host217-36-4-84.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.36.4.84] helo=acornrpc) by carbon.btinternet.com with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #23) id 19gor1-00002O-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 27 Jul 2003 17:58:40 +0100 Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 17:54:01 +0100 From: Brian Howlett Message-ID: <29d8aa184c.Brian@btinternet.com> X-Organization: The Terry Wogan Home for the Bewildered User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (MsgServe/2.02) (RISC-OS/4.36) POPstar/2.05 X-Computer: Acorn RISC PC SA-110 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] SparkFS again X-Editor: Zap 1.45 (06 Nov 2002), ZapEmail 0.26 (03 Nov 2002) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Hi SparkFS (1.39) running on Select 3 (RISC OS 4.36) has started playing up - every time I try to run it I get the following error: "%0 may have gone wrong. Click Continue to try to resume or Quit to stop %0" giving a "Describe" button as well as the "Continue" and "Quit" options. Clicking "Describe" gives the error "Internal error: abort on data transfer at &023E7780". *addr &023E7780 Address &23e7780 Module area (read/write), at &2100000 offset &2e7780 (size &425000) Heap block, at &23e0aa0 offset &6ce0 (size &dd10) Module Win95FS, at &23e0aa4 offset &6cdc (size &dd0c) I've used Win95FS alongside SparkFS for ages without problems, in fact it is loaded on start up. Any ideas? -- Brian Howlett ----------------------------------------------- If you shoot a mime, should you use a silencer? -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jul 29 19:19:07 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19gqgd-00069L-D4-0006BL.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2003 19:19:07 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19gqgd-00069L-D4; Sun, 27 Jul 2003 18:56:04 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19gqgd-00069L-D4; Sun, 27 Jul 2003 18:56:03 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19gqg9-0006PR-17; Sun, 27 Jul 2003 19:55:33 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h6RIsBm12241 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 27 Jul 2003 19:54:11 +0100 Received: from scrabble.freeuk.net (scrabble.freeuk.net [212.126.144.29]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h6RIs9q12231 for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2003 19:54:09 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from du-010-0034.freeuk.com ([212.126.153.34] helo=freeuk.net) by scrabble.freeuk.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19gqem-0004hW-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 27 Jul 2003 19:54:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Brock To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 19:54:49 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Unlinking frames Message-ID: <4c18b5e762badger.sett@freeuk.com> In-Reply-To: <4c188e10e4barry@e-allen.co.uk> References: <4c188e10e4barry@e-allen.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article <4c188e10e4barry@e-allen.co.uk>, Barry E Allen wrote: > I'm trying to unlink frames. > I select the link tool, all the links show up. > I click on the link I wish to delete, it becomes black. > I press 'delete' and nothing happens. > Am I doing something wrong? Same here. I'd never noticed it before because I rarely use linked frames. I'm using a RISC PC with 'PC Delete' ticked in the keyboard configuration window. Unticking this allows linked frames to be unlinked using the delete key. I can't find another way of doing it. Any chance of allowing the backspace key to do this as an alternative to delete David? [RISCOS 4.02 and Ovation Pro v2.67] HTH Richard -- Richard Brock -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jul 29 19:19:08 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19gr1u-0001kr-EW-0001mW.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2003 19:19:08 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19gr1u-0001kr-EW; Sun, 27 Jul 2003 19:18:03 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19gr1u-0001kr-EW; Sun, 27 Jul 2003 19:18:02 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19gr1m-0007qY-E4; Sun, 27 Jul 2003 20:17:54 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h6RJHgd19233 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 27 Jul 2003 20:17:42 +0100 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (netmail01.services.quay.plus.net [212.159.14.219]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with SMTP id h6RJHgU19230 for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2003 20:17:42 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: (qmail 11377 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2003 19:17:37 -0000 Received: from evanallen.plus.com (HELO barryrpc) (212.159.102.184) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Jul 2003 19:17:37 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Barry E Allen To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 20:17:11 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Unlinking frames Message-ID: <4c18b7f398barry@e-allen.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4c18b5e762badger.sett@freeuk.com> References: <4c188e10e4barry@e-allen.co.uk> <4c18b5e762badger.sett@freeuk.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.04-pre5 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article <4c18b5e762badger.sett@freeuk.com>, Richard Brock wrote: > In article <4c188e10e4barry@e-allen.co.uk>, > Barry E Allen wrote: > > I'm trying to unlink frames. > > I select the link tool, all the links show up. > > I click on the link I wish to delete, it becomes black. > > I press 'delete' and nothing happens. > > Am I doing something wrong? > Same here. I'd never noticed it before because I rarely use linked > frames. I'm using a RISC PC with 'PC Delete' ticked in the keyboard > configuration window. Unticking this allows linked frames to be unlinked > using the delete key. I can't find another way of doing it. Any chance of > allowing the backspace key to do this as an alternative to delete David? > [RISCOS 4.02 and Ovation Pro v2.67] Ah! I've just discovered a button which appears when the link tool is selected which says 'Delete link'. I say discovered, I have seen it before but had forgotten. A Senior moment. Ooops! -- Barry A. Rugby Union in Manchester:- http://www.broughton-park.org.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jul 29 19:19:18 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19h8GT-0002zb-3R-00035M.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2003 19:19:18 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19h8GT-0002zb-3R; Mon, 28 Jul 2003 13:42:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19h8GT-0002zb-3R; Mon, 28 Jul 2003 13:42:13 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19h8G6-0002D8-SN; Mon, 28 Jul 2003 14:41:50 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h6SDfNH23316 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 28 Jul 2003 14:41:23 +0100 Received: from zephir.uk.clara.net (zephir.uk.clara.net [195.8.69.53]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h6SDfMQ23308 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2003 14:41:22 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from du-069-1084.access.clara.net ([217.158.179.67] helo=clara.net) by zephir.uk.clara.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19h8Fd-0004V3-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 28 Jul 2003 14:41:21 +0100 Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 07:11:22 GMT From: charles To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Unlinking frames Message-ID: <7156f9184c.charles@clara.co.uk> References: <4c188e10e4barry@e-allen.co.uk> <4c18b5e762badger.sett@freeuk.com> <4c18b7f398barry@e-allen.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4c18b7f398barry@e-allen.co.uk> X-Organization: home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (MsgServe/2.02) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message <4c18b7f398barry@e-allen.co.uk> you wrote: `[snip--- snip--- snip--- ] > Ah! I've just discovered a button which appears when the link tool is > selected which says 'Delete link'. I say discovered, I have seen it before > but had forgotten. A Senior moment. Ooops! [snip--- snip--- snip--- ] One of the disadvantages of linking frames is that you cannot cut and paste what appears to be a group of frames - and there is no obvious way of telling that you have linked frames until you click on the linking tool. You have to undo your linking in order to cut and paste the frames, your text is then only visible as the first few words in the first un-linked frame and an oerflow marker; the unlinked frames can be cut, pasted, re-linked, and the text re-appears. Where a document has pages which don't all have linked frames, one way to re-position a linked frames page which may be more effective when moving whole pages in some circumstances, is to cut and paste a page or pages containing un-linked frames, and then delete the resultant blank page or pages so that the linked frames page takes up their position. Charles - Opro 2.70 -- 020 8949 0708 / 079 5620 0176 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jul 29 19:19:28 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19hHqL-00066B-3s-00068o.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2003 19:19:28 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19hHqL-00066B-3s; Mon, 28 Jul 2003 23:55:55 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19hHqL-00066B-3s; Mon, 28 Jul 2003 23:55:53 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19hHpn-0002Ll-NG; Tue, 29 Jul 2003 00:55:19 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h6SNsk503785 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 29 Jul 2003 00:54:46 +0100 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (murphys.services.quay.plus.net [212.159.14.225]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with SMTP id h6SNsk003780 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2003 00:54:46 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: (qmail 18964 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2003 23:54:30 -0000 Received: from evanallen.plus.com (HELO barryrpc) (212.159.102.184) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Jul 2003 23:54:30 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Barry E Allen To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 00:46:57 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Unlinking frames Message-ID: <4c19547c7fbarry@e-allen.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <7156f9184c.charles@clara.co.uk> References: <4c188e10e4barry@e-allen.co.uk> <4c18b5e762badger.sett@freeuk.com> <4c18b7f398barry@e-allen.co.uk> <7156f9184c.charles@clara.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.04-pre5 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article <7156f9184c.charles@clara.co.uk>, charles wrote: > In message <4c18b7f398barry@e-allen.co.uk> you wrote: > `[snip--- snip--- snip--- ] > > Ah! I've just discovered a button which appears when the link tool is > > selected which says 'Delete link'. I say discovered, I have seen it before > > but had forgotten. A Senior moment. Ooops! > [snip--- snip--- snip--- ] > One of the disadvantages of linking frames is that you cannot cut and > paste what appears to be a group of frames - and there is no obvious way > of telling that you have linked frames until you click on the linking > tool. > You have to undo your linking in order to cut and paste the frames, your > text is then only visible as the first few words in the first > un-linked frame and an oerflow marker; the unlinked frames can be cut, > pasted, re-linked, and the text re-appears. > Where a document has pages which don't all have linked frames, one way > to re-position a linked frames page which may be more effective when > moving whole pages in some circumstances, is to cut and paste a page or > pages containing un-linked frames, and then delete the resultant blank > page or pages so that the linked frames page takes up their position. Ah! Yes! I'll have to read and inwardly digest at my leisure. I'm sure that that it is all good stuff but my old brain can't take it in. :O)) -- Barry A. Rugby Union in Manchester:- http://www.broughton-park.org.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jul 29 19:19:48 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1059306096:10:20839:54".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2003 19:19:48 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1059306096:10:20839:54; Sun, 27 Jul 2003 11:41:36 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.30]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1123799; 27 Jul 2003 11:41 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19gju0-0006b7-3O; Sun, 27 Jul 2003 12:41:24 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h6RBdtJ02696 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 27 Jul 2003 12:39:55 +0100 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (warrior.services.quay.plus.net [212.159.14.227]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with SMTP id h6RBds802692 for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2003 12:39:54 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: (qmail 24611 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2003 11:39:49 -0000 Received: from evanallen.plus.com (HELO barryrpc) (212.159.102.184) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Jul 2003 11:39:49 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Barry E Allen To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 12:39:41 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Ovation Unlinking frames Message-ID: <4c188e10e4barry@e-allen.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.04-pre5 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist I'm trying to unlink frames. I select the link tool, all the links show up. I click on the link I wish to delete, it becomes black. I press 'delete' and nothing happens. Am I doing something wrong? -- Barry A. Rugby Union in Manchester:- http://www.broughton-park.org.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jul 29 19:19:50 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1059334238:10:27871:267".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2003 19:19:50 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1059334238:10:27871:267; Sun, 27 Jul 2003 19:30:38 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.30]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1120030; 27 Jul 2003 19:30 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19grDl-00042r-Kq; Sun, 27 Jul 2003 20:30:17 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h6RJUCC23245 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 27 Jul 2003 20:30:12 +0100 Received: from scrabble.freeuk.net (scrabble.freeuk.net [212.126.144.29]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h6RJU8N23226 for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2003 20:30:08 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from du-010-0212.freeuk.com ([212.126.153.212] helo=freeuk.net) by scrabble.freeuk.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19grDa-0005Ke-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 27 Jul 2003 20:30:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Brock To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 20:30:39 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Unlinking frames Message-ID: <4c18b92f3dbadger.sett@freeuk.com> In-Reply-To: <4c18b7f398barry@e-allen.co.uk> References: <4c188e10e4barry@e-allen.co.uk> <4c18b5e762badger.sett@freeuk.com> <4c18b7f398barry@e-allen.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article <4c18b7f398barry@e-allen.co.uk>, Barry E Allen wrote: > Ah! I've just discovered a button which appears when the link tool is > selected which says 'Delete link'. I say discovered, I have seen it > before but had forgotten. A Senior moment. Ooops! Thanks for pointing that one out Barry. It remains to be seen whether I remember it when I next need to unlink a frame! (When are they going to start manufacturing replacement memory chips for human brains? They've been around for a lot longer than computers after all...) Richard -- Richard Brock -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jul 29 19:19:51 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1059348505:10:17565:49".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2003 19:19:51 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1059348505:10:17565:49; Sun, 27 Jul 2003 23:28:25 GMT Received: from smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.32]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1108679; 27 Jul 2003 23:27 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19guvI-0004kV-Rg; Mon, 28 Jul 2003 00:27:28 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h6RNQnp13517 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 28 Jul 2003 00:26:49 +0100 Received: from smarthost4.mail.uk.easynet.net (smarthost4.mail.uk.easynet.net [212.135.6.14]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h6RNQmr13514 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2003 00:26:49 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from tnt-12-211.easynet.co.uk ([212.134.20.211] helo=miranda.philipnet.com) by smarthost4.mail.uk.easynet.net with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 19guud-000Pn5-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 28 Jul 2003 00:26:48 +0100 Received: from philipnet.com (gromit.philipnet.com [192.168.1.33]) by miranda.philipnet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB50C2C004 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2003 00:26:38 +0100 (BST) Received: from philip by philipnet.com with local (RemoteNB 1.54) for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; 28 Jul 2003 00:26:36 +0100 Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 00:26:35 +0100 From: Philip Ludlam To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Message-ID: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (RemoteNB/1.54) (RISC-OS/4.36) X-Sender: Philip Ludlam X-Sender-URL: http://www.philipnet.com/ X-Editor: StrongED 4.66 (stable) X-Editor-URL: http://www.stronged.iconbar.com/ X-Desktop-Utility: Director X-Desktop-Utility-URL: http://director.sourceforge.net/ Subject: [softwarelist] SparkFS request MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Hi there, I'm just wondering if it's possible for SparkFS to support bzip2 archives in a future version? Just a thought. Yours, Phil L. -- http://www.philipnet.com http://director.sourceforge.net i ou a uea i e a o ie e a o a a oue oae -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jul 29 23:46:48 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19hdEI-0002bz-6L-0002ef.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2003 23:46:48 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19hdEI-0002bz-6L; Tue, 29 Jul 2003 22:46:04 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19hdEI-0002bz-6L; Tue, 29 Jul 2003 22:46:02 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19hdEA-0001JU-9c; Tue, 29 Jul 2003 23:45:54 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h6TMiYU22540 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 29 Jul 2003 23:44:34 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h6TMiXg22536 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2003 23:44:33 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19hdCr-0000PA-0X for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 29 Jul 2003 23:44:33 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 23:42:53 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SparkFS request References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >I'm just wondering if it's possible for SparkFS to support bzip2 >archives in a future version? This idea has been around for a long time. Support would be akin to GZip i.e. a single file conversion, rather than archive filing system access. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jul 29 23:47:49 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19hdF9-0003NJ-Ab-0003P9.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2003 23:47:49 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19hdF9-0003NJ-Ab; Tue, 29 Jul 2003 22:46:56 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19hdF9-0003NJ-Ab; Tue, 29 Jul 2003 22:46:55 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19hdEr-0000f3-Iz; Tue, 29 Jul 2003 23:46:37 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h6TMjuQ22773 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 29 Jul 2003 23:45:56 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h6TMjtj22767 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2003 23:45:55 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19hdEA-0000cA-0X for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 29 Jul 2003 23:45:55 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 23:44:17 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SparkFS again References: <29d8aa184c.Brian@btinternet.com> In-Reply-To: <29d8aa184c.Brian@btinternet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >I've used Win95FS alongside SparkFS for ages without problems, in fact >it is loaded on start up. Any ideas? Just to confirm this is the first I have heard of such a problem. However it would not be surprising to find image file systems clashing. I suppose you could turn off image FS support - in the SparkFS !Run file. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jul 30 14:11:23 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1059547747:10:08645:38".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 14:11:23 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1059547747:10:08645:38; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 06:49:07 GMT Received: from smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.32]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1116818; 30 Jul 2003 6:48 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19hklC-0004bG-Io; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 07:48:30 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h6U6lfA24192 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 07:47:41 +0100 Received: from tungsten.btinternet.com (tungsten.btinternet.com [194.73.73.81]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h6U6led24188 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 07:47:41 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from host217-36-4-84.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.36.4.84] helo=acornrpc) by tungsten.btinternet.com with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #23) id 19hkkO-00061c-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 07:47:40 +0100 Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 07:44:42 +0100 From: Brian Howlett To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SparkFS again Message-ID: <8891fe194c.Brian@btinternet.com> References: <29d8aa184c.Brian@btinternet.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: The Terry Wogan Home for the Bewildered User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (MsgServe/2.02) (RISC-OS/4.36) POPstar/2.05 X-Computer: Acorn RISC PC SA-110 X-Editor: Zap 1.45 (06 Nov 2002), ZapEmail 0.26 (03 Nov 2002) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 29 Jul, David Pilling wrote: (quoting me) >> I've used Win95FS alongside SparkFS for ages without problems, in >> fact it is loaded on start up. Any ideas? > > Just to confirm this is the first I have heard of such a problem. > However it would not be surprising to find image file systems > clashing. > > I suppose you could turn off image FS support - in the SparkFS !Run > file. > Whatever caused this it seems to have stopped and everything is now working as usual. I've just installed a Simtec USB card and had been fiddling about with various things, which may have caused side-effects. All is now well. -- Brian Howlett ---------------------------------------------- Mobile phones - the only topic of discussion where men boast about how *small* theirs is... -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jul 30 18:20:13 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19hubg-0004D7-9x-0004Iz.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 18:20:13 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19hubg-0004D7-9x; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 17:19:23 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19hubg-0004D7-9x; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 17:19:20 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19hubL-0004Cw-95; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 18:18:59 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h6UHHsr16988 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 18:17:54 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h6UHHs916983 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 18:17:54 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from aether.demon.co.uk ([158.152.186.18]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 19huaE-0006aM-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 18:17:53 +0100 Received: from medusa.therealm ([192.168.0.2] helo=aether.demon.co.uk) by aether.demon.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19huUe-000PSL-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 18:12:04 +0100 Received: from matthew by aether.demon.co.uk with local (RemoteNB 1.54) for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; 30 Jul 2003 18:13:39 +0100 Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 18:13:38 +0100 From: Matthew Hambley To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SparkFS request Message-ID: <2526381a4c.matthew@aether.demon.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Beyond the Reality Barrier User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (RemoteNB/1.54) (RISC-OS/4.36) X-Editor: Zap 1.45 (06 Nov 2002), ZapEmail 0.26 (03 Nov 2002) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message David Pilling wrote: > >I'm just wondering if it's possible for SparkFS to support bzip2 > >archives in a future version? > > This idea has been around for a long time. Support would be akin to GZip > i.e. a single file conversion, rather than archive filing system access. I think that's exactly what I would expect since what a BZip file contains is a single file. It would be a handy feature to have for those of use who spend some time in the *nix domain. -- (\/)atthew )-(ambley ---------------\ If something's worth doing it's worth E-mail : matthew@aether.demon.co.uk \ doing badly until you can learn to Public key : C991137B \ do it well. Web : http://www.aether.demon.co.uk/ \----------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jul 30 20:15:09 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19hwOp-0000UZ-BS-0000Y9.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 20:15:09 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19hwOp-0000UZ-BS; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 19:14:14 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19hwOp-0000UZ-BS; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 19:14:11 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19hwOc-0006FQ-Oh; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 20:13:58 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h6UJCx418121 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 20:12:59 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h6UJCxs18116 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 20:12:59 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 19hwNe-00037E-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 20:12:58 +0100 Message-ID: <7P3Y5bE3hBK$Ewip@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 20:11:51 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SparkFS request References: <2526381a4c.matthew@aether.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <2526381a4c.matthew@aether.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >I think that's exactly what I would expect since what a BZip file contains >is a single file. It would be a handy feature to have for those of use who >spend some time in the *nix domain. it's the invisble elephant you're having problems with here. Desktop RISC OS is doomed, what is my motivation for doing any more work on it? -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jul 30 20:59:34 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19hx6Q-0000yH-EG-00010x.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 20:59:34 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19hx6Q-0000yH-EG; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 19:59:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19hx6Q-0000yH-EG; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 19:59:14 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19hx6L-0002xL-HE; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 20:59:09 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h6UJwkH31689 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 20:58:46 +0100 Received: from smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net (smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net [212.135.6.11]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h6UJwjE31682 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 20:58:45 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from tnt-11-16.easynet.co.uk ([212.134.18.16] helo=miranda.philipnet.com) by smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 19hx5v-000IQi-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 20:58:44 +0100 Received: from philipnet.com (gromit.philipnet.com [192.168.1.33]) by miranda.philipnet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6CE12C017 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 12:51:39 +0100 (BST) Received: from philip by philipnet.com with local (RemoteNB 1.54) for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; 30 Jul 2003 12:51:33 +0100 Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 12:51:32 +0100 From: Philip Ludlam To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SparkFS request Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (RemoteNB/1.54) (RISC-OS/4.36) X-Sender: Philip Ludlam X-Sender-URL: http://www.philipnet.com/ X-Editor: StrongED 4.66 (stable) X-Editor-URL: http://www.stronged.iconbar.com/ X-Desktop-Utility: Director X-Desktop-Utility-URL: http://director.sourceforge.net/ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 29 Jul, in message David Pilling wrote: >>I'm just wondering if it's possible for SparkFS to support bzip2 >>archives in a future version? > >This idea has been around for a long time. Support would be akin to GZip >i.e. a single file conversion, rather than archive filing system access. That would be fine. I've just been contemplating huge archives (try sources files totally 400K+ when zipped). Whilst you're at it, .../gz files have to be typed to be something other than archives in order for SparkFS to convert them. Would it be possible to removed this 'restriction'? IIRC Oregano 1 and probably other browsers will set the RISC OS filetype to &DDC when downloading such files and it's kind-of a nuisance to change the filetype in order for SparkFS to open it. It will also annoy users out there who want to access GZipped files. Thanks in advanced. Yours, Phil L. -- http://www.philipnet.com http://director.sourceforge.net i ou a uea i e a o ie e a o a a oue oae -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jul 30 21:31:50 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19hxbn-0006Rg-68-0006VR.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 21:31:50 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19hxbn-0006Rg-68; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 20:31:41 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19hxbn-0006Rg-68; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 20:31:39 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19hxbT-0004PP-V4; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 21:31:19 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h6UKUVL08769 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 21:30:31 +0100 Received: from mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.39]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h6UKUSM08721 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 21:30:29 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [62.64.218.43] (helo=tiscali) by mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19hxaW-000JfL-Ux for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 21:30:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 21:29:38 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS request Message-ID: <4c1a4a17bcdfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <7P3Y5bE3hBK$Ewip@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <2526381a4c.matthew@aether.demon.co.uk> <7P3Y5bE3hBK$Ewip@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.36) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article <7P3Y5bE3hBK$Ewip@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >I think that's exactly what I would expect since what a BZip file > >contains is a single file. It would be a handy feature to have for > >those of use who spend some time in the *nix domain. > it's the invisble elephant you're having problems with here. > Desktop RISC OS is doomed, what is my motivation for doing any more work > on it? "Aye were doomed Captain Mainwaring, were all doomed." But on a more serious note David, you really must keep taking the tablets, it find it helps a lot... makes me a grumpy old b..... but it does help ;-) Motivation. Well, we would all continue to worship your existence. Some of us, despite the doom and gloom are prepared to throw a few bobs worth of crumbs in your directions for upgrades. Cheers Dave S -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Jul 31 01:34:49 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19i1Oa-0003bB-DJ-0003d2.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 01:34:49 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19i1Oa-0003bB-DJ; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 00:34:17 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19i1Oa-0003bB-DJ; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 00:34:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19i1OC-0003mx-JK; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 01:33:52 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h6V0Wwl30675 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 01:32:58 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h6V0WvT30668 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 01:32:57 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19i1NI-00011O-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 01:32:57 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 01:31:44 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS request References: <2526381a4c.matthew@aether.demon.co.uk> <7P3Y5bE3hBK$Ewip@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c1a4a17bcdfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4c1a4a17bcdfs@ukgateway.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >From: "P. C. Newble" In article <4c1a4a17bcdfs@ukgateway.net>, Dave Symes wrote: > Motivation. Well, we would all continue to worship your existence. > Some of us, despite the doom and gloom are prepared to throw a few > bobs worth of crumbs in your directions for upgrades. Seconded -- particularly where Ovation Pro is concerned. Peter Newble. -- P. C. Newble -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Jul 31 15:07:22 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19iE00-0004HR-AH-0005uS.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 15:07:22 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19iE00-0004HR-AH; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 14:06:46 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19iE00-0004HR-AH; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 14:01:44 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19iDzP-0000nB-NG; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 15:01:07 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h6VE06A28833 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 15:00:06 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h6VE02I28792 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 15:00:02 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 19iDyL-0000pC-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 15:00:01 +0100 Message-ID: <+Nr55ACGCSK$Ewy9@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 14:58:30 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS request References: <2526381a4c.matthew@aether.demon.co.uk> <7P3Y5bE3hBK$Ewip@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c1a4a17bcdfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >From: Grant Randall In article <4c1a4a17bcdfs@ukgateway.net>, Dave Symes wrote: > Motivation. Well, we would all continue to worship your existence. Some > of us, despite the doom and gloom are prepared to throw a few bobs worth > of crumbs in your directions for upgrades. Absolutely, we need our developer stalwarts not to show lack of support verbally. As for motivation, perhaps upgrades of all but bug-fixes should be charged. Many like myself will try and have the latest version in use and would be prepared to pay for it. -- Kind Regards, Grant Randall Yorkshire, GB http://homepage.ntlworld.com/grant.randall Randalls Home Page During shift periods, I may be slow to reply, please bear with me... -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Jul 31 15:39:38 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19iEZr-0001z0-84-00029G.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 15:39:38 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19iEZr-0001z0-84; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 14:38:51 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19iEZr-0001z0-84; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 14:38:47 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19iEZg-0000qP-Pa; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 15:38:36 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h6VEcUF10601 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 15:38:30 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h6VEcTm10597 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 15:38:29 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 19iEZZ-0000K9-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 15:38:29 +0100 Message-ID: <+sspBREYmSK$EwwZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 15:37:12 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS request References: <2526381a4c.matthew@aether.demon.co.uk> <7P3Y5bE3hBK$Ewip@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c1a4a17bcdfs@ukgateway.net> <+Nr55ACGCSK$Ewy9@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <+Nr55ACGCSK$Ewy9@pilling.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >Absolutely, we need our developer stalwarts not to show lack of support >verbally. As for motivation, perhaps upgrades of all but bug-fixes >should be charged. Many like myself will try and have the latest >version in use and would be prepared to pay for it. It's always been hard to know what to do, say something negative and you risk damaging the business of other people. On the other hand say nothing and you are guilty of misleading users by creating a false impression. I've been reluctant to charge for upgrades in recent times because the money raised will be slight (too few users), will involve lots of time spent on admin, and those who have paid will rightly expect a good standard of support going on long into the future. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Jul 31 20:49:10 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19iJPk-0007mh-8D-00005i.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 20:49:10 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19iJPk-0007mh-8D; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 19:48:44 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19iJPk-0007mh-8D; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 19:48:40 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19iJBd-0000iB-CB; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 20:34:05 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h6VJXMj30534 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 20:33:22 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h6VJXLu30530 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 20:33:21 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([158.152.204.98]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 19iJAY-0006o1-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 20:33:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 19:55:26 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS request Message-ID: <4c1ac54ddbjohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <+sspBREYmSK$EwwZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <2526381a4c.matthew@aether.demon.co.uk> <7P3Y5bE3hBK$Ewip@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c1a4a17bcdfs@ukgateway.net> <+Nr55ACGCSK$Ewy9@pilling.demon.co.uk> <+sspBREYmSK$EwwZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03g (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 31 Jul, David Pilling wrote: > >Absolutely, we need our developer stalwarts not to show lack of support > >verbally. As for motivation, perhaps upgrades of all but bug-fixes > >should be charged. Many like myself will try and have the latest > >version in use and would be prepared to pay for it. > It's always been hard to know what to do, say something negative and you > risk damaging the business of other people. On the other hand say > nothing and you are guilty of misleading users by creating a false > impression. > I've been reluctant to charge for upgrades in recent times because the > money raised will be slight (too few users), will involve lots of time > spent on admin, and those who have paid will rightly expect a good > standard of support going on long into the future. I'd suggest Martin Wuerthner might have it right with charging for *additions* to the basic program and charging for a major update whilst ordinary upgrades/bug removals are free. It costs users more but the money has to be generated somehow! -- John Cartmell john@cartmell.demon.co.uk FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 Acorn Publisher magazine & FD Games www.acornpublisher.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Jul 31 23:57:44 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19iMMT-0002sl-9B-0002x8.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 23:57:44 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19iMMT-0002sl-9B; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 22:57:32 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19iMMT-0002sl-9B; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 22:57:29 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19iMMG-0004WS-JP; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 23:57:16 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h6VMuEW19799 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 23:56:14 +0100 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([207.36.15.196]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with SMTP id h6VMuDU19787 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 23:56:13 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: (qmail 10305 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2003 21:56:04 -0000 Received: from acba532b.ipt.aol.com (HELO localhost) (172.186.83.43) by 207.36.15.196 with SMTP; 31 Jul 2003 21:56:04 -0000 Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 23:56:00 +0100 From: Dave X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) UNREG / CD5BF9353B3B7091 Organization: Riot/Clone X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <406349487.20030731235600@riotclone.org> To: John Cartmell Subject: Re[2]: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS request In-Reply-To: <4c1ac54ddbjohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> References: <2526381a4c.matthew@aether.demon.co.uk> <7P3Y5bE3hBK$Ewip@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c1a4a17bcdfs@ukgateway.net> <+Nr55ACGCSK$Ewy9@pilling.demon.co.uk> <+sspBREYmSK$EwwZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c1ac54ddbjohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist If I throw my arm into this, I think David has it right. Charge for PC versions, then filter upgrades down for nothing to RISC OS users - if it's possible, and if he gets time. When all is said and done, if you want the RO platform to continue, then learn to program. That is what Martin did, and that is what really kicked it off in the first place. Dave ----- Original Message from John Cartmell ----- I'd suggest Martin Wuerthner might have it right with charging for *additions* to the basic program and charging for a major update whilst ordinary upgrades/bug removals are free. It costs users more but the money has to be generated somehow! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Aug 1 01:39:33 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19iNwV-0000OL-Fv-0000QO.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 01:39:33 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19iNwV-0000OL-Fv; Fri, 01 Aug 2003 00:38:49 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19iNwV-0000OL-Fv; Fri, 01 Aug 2003 00:38:47 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19iNvz-0008Gs-KT; Fri, 01 Aug 2003 01:38:15 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h710bHp05566 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 01:37:17 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h710bGJ05560 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 01:37:16 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 19iNv1-00008K-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 01 Aug 2003 01:37:16 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 01:36:08 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS request References: <2526381a4c.matthew@aether.demon.co.uk> <7P3Y5bE3hBK$Ewip@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c1a4a17bcdfs@ukgateway.net> <+Nr55ACGCSK$Ewy9@pilling.demon.co.uk> <+sspBREYmSK$EwwZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <+sspBREYmSK$EwwZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >Subject: OPro Windows Stysheet extension clash? Hi I've just noticed from the RComp/DataPoer2 wbsite that the extension for a Windows version of a DataPower script file is .dps - as I'm considering getting DP for its cross platform ability, and have installed OPro for windows, might there be a problem there? Colin Carnegie colinc@argonet.co.uk www.argonet.co.uk/users/cstage www.argonet.co.uk/users/cstage -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Aug 1 01:48:37 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19iO5g-0004zi-6m-00051l.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 01:48:37 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19iO5g-0004zi-6m; Fri, 01 Aug 2003 00:48:17 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19iO5g-0004zi-6m; Fri, 01 Aug 2003 00:48:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19iO5W-0007Ph-It; Fri, 01 Aug 2003 01:48:06 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h710m3w07444 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 01:48:03 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h710m3p07440 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 01:48:03 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 19iO5S-0001uH-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 01 Aug 2003 01:48:02 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 01:46:24 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] OvationPro for RISC OS 2.72 References: <2526381a4c.matthew@aether.demon.co.uk> <7P3Y5bE3hBK$Ewip@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c1a4a17bcdfs@ukgateway.net> <+Nr55ACGCSK$Ewy9@pilling.demon.co.uk> <+sspBREYmSK$EwwZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <+sspBREYmSK$EwwZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Hi, I've just posted Ovation Pro 2.72 for RISC OS - http://davidpilling.net/ovationpro/upgrade/op272.zip Relative to 2.71 there is a single bug fix - it came to light today that using enhanced justification on text with only spaces in a line ends up with a divide by zero (type 2) crash. I thought that was a bit nasty to leave in. Given the low key way it was announced, it may be worth saying that 2.71 fixes a problem with JPEG rendering - in 2.70 (and 2.69) they are always converted to bit maps before being rendered, can lead to bigger print files. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Aug 1 01:54:40 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19iOBZ-0001RG-3d-0001Ub.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 01:54:40 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19iOBZ-0001RG-3d; Fri, 01 Aug 2003 00:54:23 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19iOBZ-0001RG-3d; Fri, 01 Aug 2003 00:54:21 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19iOBS-0007qU-JB; Fri, 01 Aug 2003 01:54:14 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h710s8Y08282 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 01:54:08 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h710s8608278 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 01:54:08 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 19iOBM-00032d-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 01 Aug 2003 01:54:08 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 01:52:45 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] OPro Windows Stysheet extension clash? References: <2526381a4c.matthew@aether.demon.co.uk> <7P3Y5bE3hBK$Ewip@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c1a4a17bcdfs@ukgateway.net> <+Nr55ACGCSK$Ewy9@pilling.demon.co.uk> <+sspBREYmSK$EwwZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >I've just noticed from the RComp/DataPoer2 wbsite that the extension >for a Windows version of a DataPower script file is .dps - as I'm >considering getting DP for its cross platform ability, and have >installed OPro for windows, might there be a problem there? >Colin Carnegie Thanks. Good point. Given my limited experience of the Windows world, I've wondered how such conflicts are resolved. At the user level it is easy enough, you can use Windows explorer to change which program is associated with a given extension. You can't have double click load a file into more than one program. You can of course use the Open entry on the file menu to load into the program you want. Or the right click "open with..." feature. Or the "Send to..." feature. At the corporate level, perhaps the company with the best legal team gets the extension. I have considered going beyond three character extensions, these don't seem popular, but offer a much larger name space. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net