From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Jun 7 13:54:37 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1054990187:10:26900:57".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 13:54:37 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1054990187:10:26900:57; Sat, 07 Jun 2003 12:49:47 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.31]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1026188; 7 Jun 2003 12:49 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19Od7s-0002ly-00; Sat, 07 Jun 2003 13:48:52 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h57CmCc19520 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 13:48:12 +0100 Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h57CmB119513 for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 13:48:11 +0100 Received: from [62.188.142.228] (helo=62.188.142.228) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 19Od7B-0007RY-9Y for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 07 Jun 2003 13:48:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Rob Hemmings To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 13:47:01 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Printing onto non-standard size paper Message-ID: <4bfed46ef3robh@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist I don't think this is strictly an Ovation problem because I get the same results if I try using Impression but this still seems the best place to ask - I hope nobody minds? I am trying to print onto some cards but can't get the print to appear in the correct place. The cards are 145mm by 102mm and I want to print into a frame towards the right hand side of the paper. I have defined a paper size for the printer driver that matches this and also a master page in Ovation. However, the text is printing in the centre of the page not on the right. If I try printing onto a standard piece of A4 then the print is in the correct relative place if the card is positioned on the bottom left hand side of the A4 page. Does anyone have any ideas of what I'm doing wrong? I'm using a StrongARM RiscPC running RISC OS 4.02, Ovation 2.70, !Printers 1.62 and I'm printing on an HP Laserjet 6L. -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Hemmings Southport Tel: +44 (0)1704 573210 rhemmings@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Jun 7 14:14:26 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1054991415:20:11668:46".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 14:14:26 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1054991415:20:11668:46; Sat, 07 Jun 2003 13:10:15 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.30]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2010951; 7 Jun 2003 13:09 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19OdRh-0000Fo-00; Sat, 07 Jun 2003 14:09:22 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h57D9H325477 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 14:09:17 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h57D9GT25472 for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 14:09:16 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 19OdRb-0006tf-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 07 Jun 2003 14:09:16 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 14:07:42 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Printing onto non-standard size paper References: <4bfed46ef3robh@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4bfed46ef3robh@argonet.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >I am trying to print onto some cards but can't get the print to appear in >the correct place. The cards are 145mm by 102mm and I want to print into >a frame towards the right hand side of the paper. I have defined a paper >size for the printer driver that matches this and also a master page in >Ovation. However, the text is printing in the centre of the page not on >the right. I'd say the bottom line was that OP lets you shift where stuff is printed on the paper - expand the print window. The only catch being that you turn off the various options that centre things on the paper. Turning on view->printer margins should let you see the area of your material relative to the printable area on the printer. However you can't guarantee that the actual position set is the same as where the ink hits the paper - because you might not put the paper in the printer in the right position (left-right). -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Jun 7 16:54:34 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1055000809:10:15597:54".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 16:54:34 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1055000809:10:15597:54; Sat, 07 Jun 2003 15:46:49 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.30]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1109157; 7 Jun 2003 15:46 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19Oftk-0007gv-00; Sat, 07 Jun 2003 16:46:28 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h57Fjhp01680 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 16:45:43 +0100 Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h57FjhL01677 for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 16:45:43 +0100 Received: from [62.188.150.29] (helo=62.188.150.29) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 19Ofsy-00049J-Ch for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 07 Jun 2003 16:45:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Rob Hemmings To: Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 16:44:43 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Printing onto non-standard size paper Message-ID: <4bfee4b40crobh@argonet.co.uk> References: <4bfed46ef3robh@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article , David Pilling wrote: > >I am trying to print onto some cards but can't get the print to appear > >in the correct place. The cards are 145mm by 102mm and I want to > >print into a frame towards the right hand side of the paper. I have > >defined a paper size for the printer driver that matches this and also > >a master page in Ovation. However, the text is printing in the centre > >of the page not on the right. > I'd say the bottom line was that OP lets you shift where stuff is > printed on the paper - expand the print window. The only catch being > that you turn off the various options that centre things on the paper. I'd already unticked the Centre option on the expanded Print dialogue box. I have X and Y both set to zero because I have created a master page that matches the paper size that I have defined to !Printers. > Turning on view->printer margins should let you see the area of your > material relative to the printable area on the printer. I'd done this and everything looks OK. > However you can't guarantee that the actual position set is the same as > where the ink hits the paper - because you might not put the paper in > the printer in the right position (left-right). I don't think it is this because the problem seems to be that it is printing my text in the centre (horizontally) of the physical paper instead of at the right hand side. ... Having done some more experimentation, this is not quite correct. What is happening is shown by the diagram below (in a fixed width font). The full stops show the extent of the page I have defined in Ovation. The left hand edge of the page (about 30mm worth) I have defined in Ovation is not being printed. The edge of the physical page starts where the line of exclamation marks is in the diagram. This has the effect of moving My text from the right hand side of the page defined in Ovation to the centre of the physical printed page. I then end up with a gap filling the remainder of the right hand side of the physical page. .....!............................ . ! . . ! My text . . ! . . ! . . ! . . ! . . ! . . ! . . ! . .....!............................ ! In other words the Ovation page is not being mapped correctly onto the physical page. I'm guessing that this is being done by the printer driver? Or possibly the actual printer? In !Printers I have defined a page of the correct size for the physical paper and with 5mm graphic margins all round. -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Hemmings Southport Tel: +44 (0)1704 573210 rhemmings@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Jun 7 17:04:35 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1055001723:10:07719:42".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 17:04:35 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1055001723:10:07719:42; Sat, 07 Jun 2003 16:02:03 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.30]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1104969; 7 Jun 2003 16:01 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19Og8c-0008T5-00; Sat, 07 Jun 2003 17:01:50 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h57G1kd05972 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 17:01:46 +0100 Received: from mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (mta03-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.43]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h57G1jS05967 for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 17:01:45 +0100 Received: from risco.home ([80.7.75.69]) by mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20030607160144.RBPI11246.mta03-svc.ntlworld.com@risco.home> for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 17:01:44 +0100 Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 17:01:41 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Printing onto non-standard size paper To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <4bfed46ef3robh@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In on Sat 07 Jun, Rob Hemmings wrote: > I don't think this is strictly an Ovation problem because I get the same > results if I try using Impression but this still seems the best place to > ask - I hope nobody minds? > > I am trying to print onto some cards but can't get the print to appear in > the correct place. The cards are 145mm by 102mm and I want to print into > a frame towards the right hand side of the paper. I have defined a paper > size for the printer driver that matches this and also a master page in > Ovation. However, the text is printing in the centre of the page not on > the right. > > If I try printing onto a standard piece of A4 then the print is in the > correct relative place if the card is positioned on the bottom left hand > side of the A4 page. > > Does anyone have any ideas of what I'm doing wrong? > > I'm using a StrongARM RiscPC running RISC OS 4.02, Ovation 2.70, > !Printers 1.62 and I'm printing on an HP Laserjet 6L. I'd have a go at using A4 page size in Opro with the frame in the correct position to print on the smaller page you are actually using. How does the 6L line up the paper - using centring guides I think. For initial tests I'd assume top centre of the A4 is the reference when printing and corresponds with top centre of your smaller sheet size and so position your frame relative to the top centre. Hope you can make sense of my description, if not and you think it might be helpful I'll put a demonstration Opro document on my webspace. Anthony -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jun 10 19:45:26 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1055011080:10:28966:57".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 19:45:26 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1055011080:10:28966:57; Sat, 07 Jun 2003 18:38:00 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.31]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1028784; 7 Jun 2003 18:37 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19OiZ3-0008Rj-00; Sat, 07 Jun 2003 19:37:17 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h57IbCX16066 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 19:37:12 +0100 Received: from mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (mta05-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.45]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h57IbB016062 for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 19:37:11 +0100 Received: from risco.home ([80.7.75.69]) by mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20030607183710.TINE16933.mta05-svc.ntlworld.com@risco.home> for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 19:37:10 +0100 Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 19:36:37 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Printing onto non-standard size paper To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <4bfeef2d9drobh@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In on Sat 07 Jun, Rob Hemmings wrote: > In article , Anthony Hilton > wrote: > > In on Sat 07 Jun, Rob Hemmings wrote: > > > I don't think this is strictly an Ovation problem because I get the > > > same results if I try using Impression but this still seems the best > > > place to ask - I hope nobody minds? > > > > > > I am trying to print onto some cards but can't get the print to > > > appear in the correct place. The cards are 145mm by 102mm and I want > > > to print into a frame towards the right hand side of the paper. I > > > have defined a paper size for the printer driver that matches this > > > and also a master page in Ovation. However, the text is printing in > > > the centre of the page not on the right. > > > > > > I'd have a go at using A4 page size in Opro with the frame in the > > correct position to print on the smaller page you are actually using. > > Thanks, that is a very helpful suggestion. I've tried this and got it > working successfully. :-) Glad it made sense and worked. > > How does the 6L line up the paper - using centring guides I think. > > You are correct. > > > For initial tests I'd assume top centre of the A4 is the reference when > > printing and corresponds with top centre of your smaller sheet size and > > so position your frame relative to the top centre. > > Correct again. > > > Hope you can make sense of my description, if not and you think it > > might be helpful I'll put a demonstration Opro document on my webspace. > > No problem, your description was very helpful - thanks. > > Despite this being an effective work around it does seem strange that > doing the "proper" way by defining a paper size that matched the cards > does not seem to work. I'd still be interested to understand this if > anyone can explain. > > > If I try printing onto a standard piece of A4 then the print is in the > > > correct relative place if the card is positioned on the bottom left > > > hand side of the A4 page. > > > > > > Does anyone have any ideas of what I'm doing wrong? > > > > > > I'm using a StrongARM RiscPC running RISC OS 4.02, Ovation 2.70, > > > !Printers 1.62 and I'm printing on an HP Laserjet 6L. >From this description the printer driver is assuming that paper feeds relative to a fixed left side guide (which would be probably correct for dot-matrix line printers and inkjets) which pushes the print left relative to the sheet position. Width of A4 = 210mm, width of your sheet = 145mm, difference 65mm. Offset 32.5mm because paper centred sounds about right. If I'm right smaller size paper will never work properly with RISC OS drivers for laser printers (which, I think, all have self-centring guides for smaller size sheets). A quick test using A5 portrait seems to confirm this. Printer set to A5 (paper in manual feed with centring guides), A5 selected in Opro (2.70). !Printers 1.64a with Kyocera Postscript PDF supplied by Explan, PostScript PDriver module 4.61 (RISC OS 4.36 if that is relevant). Frame 10mm from edge of page all round. Having printed and got a sheet with the frame positioned as for the centre of an A4 page I switched Print margins on in Opro, they show as expected round the A5 page. I also checked the Print Setup settings which show Centred. Printed again with Centred off and X and Y offsets to 0mm and it stil printed as centred for an A4 sheet so I only got the top right quarter of the frame. Further test with !Writer bundled with RISC OS 4 (everything else the same) puts the print correct for A5 paper. Writer picks up page size from currently selected printer driver if !Printers is loaded apparently. Rob, can you do a similar test wioth your custom paper size and !Writer just to prove it is not my setup. Sorry David, this makes it look as though we cannot blame the RISC OS printer drivers but have to ask you what OPro is doing when it prints, and is there any chance you will be able to modify it. Anthony -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jun 10 19:45:27 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1055012064:10:23474:61".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 19:45:27 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1055012064:10:23474:61; Sat, 07 Jun 2003 18:54:24 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.31]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1116463; 7 Jun 2003 18:53 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19Oiow-0001B4-00; Sat, 07 Jun 2003 19:53:42 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h57Ipnk19673 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 19:51:49 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h57IpmJ19664 for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 19:51:48 +0100 Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 19Oin5-0003Ws-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 07 Jun 2003 19:51:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 19:29:04 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Printing onto non-standard size paper Message-ID: <4bfef3bfd9Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4bfee4b40crobh@argonet.co.uk> References: <4bfed46ef3robh@argonet.co.uk> <4bfee4b40crobh@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article <4bfee4b40crobh@argonet.co.uk>, Rob Hemmings wrote: > Having done some more experimentation, this is not quite correct. > What is happening is shown by the diagram below (in a fixed width > font). The full stops show the extent of the page I have defined in > Ovation. The left hand edge of the page (about 30mm worth) I have > defined in Ovation is not being printed. The edge of the physical > page starts where the line of exclamation marks is in the diagram. > This has the effect of moving My text from the right hand side of the > page defined in Ovation to the centre of the physical printed page. > I then end up with a gap filling the remainder of the right hand side > of the physical page. > ......!............................ > .. ! . > .. ! My text . > .. ! . > .. ! . > .. ! . > .. ! . > .. ! . > .. ! . > .. ! . > ......!............................ > ! This is a landscape-shaped card. Is it possible that the paper you've defined is portrait shaped but has a wide left margin or unprintable area? If you try to print plain text (eg from !Edit) can you get text from line 1 of a test file into the top lefthand corner of the card? -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jun 10 19:45:37 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1055024766:10:06941:101".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 19:45:37 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1055024766:10:06941:101; Sat, 07 Jun 2003 22:26:06 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.31]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1007212; 7 Jun 2003 22:25 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19Om7s-00073w-00; Sat, 07 Jun 2003 23:25:28 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h57MNV107538 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 23:23:31 +0100 Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h57MNUg07530 for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 23:23:30 +0100 Received: from [62.188.120.206] (helo=62.188.120.206) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 19Om5u-0008MX-Jk for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 07 Jun 2003 23:23:27 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Rob Hemmings To: Ovation Pro List Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 22:56:51 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Printing onto non-standard size paper Message-ID: <4bff06c5b4robh@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4bfef37548gav@crawford-print.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article , A.F. Taylor wrote: > In on Sat 07 Jun, Gavin Crawford wrote: > > In article <4bfeef2d9drobh@argonet.co.uk>, Rob Hemmings > > wrote: > > > > > Despite this being an effective work around it does seem strange > > > that doing the "proper" way by defining a paper size that matched > > > the cards does not seem to work. I'd still be interested to > > > understand this if anyone can explain. > > > > It's because your newly defined paper size will not tell the printer > > to change it's page settings, so the printer is still set up for an > > A4 page size. I take it that you are using an HP PCL driver and not > > driving it using PostScript. You are correct Gavin, I am using an HP PCL driver. Thanks for the explanation. It seems very frustrating that the driver does not tell the printer about the page size when starting a print. Perhaps I should try telling RISCOS Ltd although I'm not convinced that they intend to do anything more with !Printers :-( > > If the printer is a PostScript one then it could be done. i.e. > > selecting a new page size in !Printers configures the printer to use > > a different page size or custom size. Although to use it from OPro > > you have to alter the PSsupport file in the !OvnPro.Library > > directory. If anyone wants more info about this then let me know. > > > > -- Gavin Crawford > > > Oh yes!! Been there, done that & got the modified printer driver ;-) > I came across this some years ago when I first got my HP5L and wanted > to use A5 paper for short correspondence. After much head-scratching I > managed to work out what Gavin has said in his first paragraph. There > was some discussion about it in Archive at the time AFAIR. What I did > was to modify the printer driver by altering the X offset by half the > difference between the A4 and A5 widths (think about it!). This, of > course, results in a negative X offset and I was pleased (and relieved) > when this worked. I now have seperate A4 and A5page pdfs. You could > easily do this for your cards, Rob. Thanks Arthur, I've printed the cards now using Anthony Hilton's "work around" but I'll keep this in case I need to do something like this again. It does seem a bit of a pain to have to have different printer drivers for each different size of paper. What is the point of being able to design new sizes? -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Hemmings Southport Tel: +44 (0)1704 573210 rhemmings@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jun 10 19:45:38 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1055029364:10:20416:60".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 19:45:38 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1055029364:10:20416:60; Sat, 07 Jun 2003 23:42:44 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.31]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1020178; 7 Jun 2003 23:42 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19OnJv-0002tc-00; Sun, 08 Jun 2003 00:41:59 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h57NfOY24759 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 00:41:24 +0100 Received: from smtp.aaisp.net.uk (IDENT:bL+MaxnaPNpT94pMHE2yTygEHV1uwD/4@useless.aaisp.net.uk [217.169.20.27]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h57NfJn24735 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 00:41:23 +0100 Received: from [81.2.115.178] (helo=ghc) by smtp.aaisp.net.uk with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 19OnJH-0000pM-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 08 Jun 2003 00:41:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Gavin Crawford To: Ovation Pro List Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2003 00:40:26 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Printing onto non-standard size paper Message-ID: <4bff104191gav@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4bff06c5b4robh@argonet.co.uk> References: <4bfef37548gav@crawford-print.co.uk> <4bff06c5b4robh@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article <4bff06c5b4robh@argonet.co.uk>, Rob Hemmings wrote: > It does seem a bit of a pain to have to have different printer > drivers for each different size of paper. What is the point of being > able to design new sizes? Your printer will have other sizes 'built in' such DL envelope, Legal, Letter etc. which you would usually select via the printer's control panel. !Printers can then have paper sizes defined to match those of the printer. But to use any of those paper sizes you would need to configure the printer to the required size, as well as selecting the matching paper size in the RISC OS Printer driver window. HP lasers usually have a 'Custom' size that you can set, but off hand I can't remember if that will help you as ISTR that it usually sets the printer to its maximum paper size. It's been a long time since I messed about with HP PCL codes so I may be wrong, but I think selecting some paper sizes in !Printers will switch the printer to use the correct settings. I know the CC Turbo Drivers didn't but I think the Acorn driver may have done. It may possibly also be linked to the name of the defined paper size. (The PostScript driver definitely is) i.e. if the name is A4 (generic) then the correct code to switch to A4 is sent to the printer. Looking at the LaserJet bits in !Printers the PCL codes for A4, Letter and Legal are defined in 'lj.Resources.Messages' and sent to the printer when decided by in 'lj.Resources.Support' (which is squished so not easy to alter). The way Acorn handled all this for the PostScript driver was much better and surprisingly very flexible, but sadly, not very well documented. But once you've figure out the way the PS driver handles it you can add all sorts of bits of PostScript code to do all sorts - like select different output bins, operate stapler units, etc. -- Gavin Crawford email: gav@crawford-print.co.uk web: www.crawford-print.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jun 10 19:47:02 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1055007701:20:20337:56".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 19:47:02 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1055007701:20:20337:56; Sat, 07 Jun 2003 17:41:41 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.30]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2020183; 7 Jun 2003 17:41 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19Ohgg-0004t8-00; Sat, 07 Jun 2003 18:41:06 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h57He5400388 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 18:40:05 +0100 Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h57He5W00383 for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 18:40:05 +0100 Received: from [62.188.120.5] (helo=62.188.120.5) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 19Ohfc-0007ol-90 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 07 Jun 2003 18:40:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Rob Hemmings To: Ovation Pro List Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 18:39:08 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Printing onto non-standard size paper Message-ID: <4bfeef2d9drobh@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4bfed46ef3robh@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article , Anthony Hilton wrote: > In on Sat 07 Jun, Rob Hemmings wrote: > > I don't think this is strictly an Ovation problem because I get the > > same results if I try using Impression but this still seems the best > > place to ask - I hope nobody minds? > > > > I am trying to print onto some cards but can't get the print to > > appear in the correct place. The cards are 145mm by 102mm and I want > > to print into a frame towards the right hand side of the paper. I > > have defined a paper size for the printer driver that matches this > > and also a master page in Ovation. However, the text is printing in > > the centre of the page not on the right. > > > > If I try printing onto a standard piece of A4 then the print is in > > the correct relative place if the card is positioned on the bottom > > left hand side of the A4 page. > > > > Does anyone have any ideas of what I'm doing wrong? > > > > I'm using a StrongARM RiscPC running RISC OS 4.02, Ovation 2.70, > > !Printers 1.62 and I'm printing on an HP Laserjet 6L. > I'd have a go at using A4 page size in Opro with the frame in the > correct position to print on the smaller page you are actually using. Thanks, that is a very helpful suggestion. I've tried this and got it working successfully. :-) > How does the 6L line up the paper - using centring guides I think. You are correct. > For initial tests I'd assume top centre of the A4 is the reference when > printing and corresponds with top centre of your smaller sheet size and > so position your frame relative to the top centre. Correct again. > Hope you can make sense of my description, if not and you think it > might be helpful I'll put a demonstration Opro document on my webspace. No problem, your description was very helpful - thanks. Despite this being an effective work around it does seem strange that doing the "proper" way by defining a paper size that matched the cards does not seem to work. I'd still be interested to understand this if anyone can explain. -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Hemmings Southport Tel: +44 (0)1704 573210 rhemmings@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jun 10 19:47:03 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1055010341:20:18174:50".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 19:47:03 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1055010341:20:18174:50; Sat, 07 Jun 2003 18:25:41 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.30]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2103185; 7 Jun 2003 18:24 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19OiM3-0006rc-00; Sat, 07 Jun 2003 19:23:51 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h57INb912741 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 19:23:37 +0100 Received: from smtp.aaisp.net.uk (IDENT:bICttge8YEBW6hsX5Isptq1SfDIO+kRb@useless.aaisp.net.uk [217.169.20.27]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h57INaQ12737 for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 19:23:36 +0100 Received: from [81.2.115.178] (helo=ghc) by smtp.aaisp.net.uk with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 19OiLo-0006Bc-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 07 Jun 2003 19:23:36 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Gavin Crawford To: Ovation Pro List Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 19:25:53 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Printing onto non-standard size paper Message-ID: <4bfef37548gav@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4bfeef2d9drobh@argonet.co.uk> References: <4bfed46ef3robh@argonet.co.uk> <4bfeef2d9drobh@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article <4bfeef2d9drobh@argonet.co.uk>, Rob Hemmings wrote: > Despite this being an effective work around it does seem strange that > doing the "proper" way by defining a paper size that matched the cards > does not seem to work. I'd still be interested to understand this if > anyone can explain. It's because your newly defined paper size will not tell the printer to change it's page settings, so the printer is still set up for an A4 page size. I take it that you are using an HP PCL driver and not driving it using PostScript. If the printer is a PostScript one then it could be done. i.e. selecting a new page size in !Printers configures the printer to use a different page size or custom size. Although to use it from OPro you have to alter the PSsupport file in the !OvnPro.Library directory. If anyone wants more info about this then let me know. -- Gavin Crawford email: gav@crawford-print.co.uk web: www.crawford-print.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jun 10 19:47:04 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1055016798:20:10848:44".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 19:47:04 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1055016798:20:10848:44; Sat, 07 Jun 2003 20:13:18 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.31]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2124135; 7 Jun 2003 20:12 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19Ok33-00083Z-00; Sat, 07 Jun 2003 21:12:21 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h57KBfR08344 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 21:11:41 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h57KBeC08332 for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 21:11:40 +0100 Received: from bvista.demon.co.uk ([194.222.32.134]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 19Ok2M-0000iL-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 07 Jun 2003 21:11:39 +0100 Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 20:05:19 +0100 (BST) From: "A.F. Taylor" Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Printing onto non-standard size paper To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <4bfef37548gav@crawford-print.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Arthur Taylor X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In on Sat 07 Jun, Gavin Crawford wrote: > In article <4bfeef2d9drobh@argonet.co.uk>, > Rob Hemmings wrote: > > > Despite this being an effective work around it does seem strange that > > doing the "proper" way by defining a paper size that matched the cards > > does not seem to work. I'd still be interested to understand this if > > anyone can explain. > > It's because your newly defined paper size will not tell the printer to > change it's page settings, so the printer is still set up for an A4 page > size. I take it that you are using an HP PCL driver and not driving it > using PostScript. > > If the printer is a PostScript one then it could be done. i.e. selecting > a new page size in !Printers configures the printer to use a different > page size or custom size. Although to use it from OPro you have to alter > the PSsupport file in the !OvnPro.Library directory. > If anyone wants more info about this then let me know. > > -- > Gavin Crawford > Oh yes!! Been there, done that & got the modified printer driver ;-) I came across this some years ago when I first got my HP5L and wanted to use A5 paper for short correspondence. After much head-scratching I managed to work out what Gavin has said in his first paragraph. There was some discussion about it in Archive at the time AFAIR. What I did was to modify the printer driver by altering the X offset by half the difference between the A4 and A5 widths (think about it!). This, of course, results in a negative X offset and I was pleased (and relieved) when this worked. I now have seperate A4 and A5page pdfs. You could easily do this for your cards, Rob. -- Arthur Taylor, Poole, Dorset -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jun 10 19:47:25 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1055024764:20:10016:39".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 19:47:25 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1055024764:20:10016:39; Sat, 07 Jun 2003 22:26:04 GMT Received: from smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.32]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2122358; 7 Jun 2003 22:25 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19Om7s-0002Cj-00; Sat, 07 Jun 2003 23:25:28 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h57MNeP07569 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 23:23:40 +0100 Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h57MNdQ07562 for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 23:23:39 +0100 Received: from [62.188.120.206] (helo=62.188.120.206) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 19Om64-0008MX-8P for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 07 Jun 2003 23:23:36 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Rob Hemmings To: Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 23:14:49 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Printing onto non-standard size paper Message-ID: <4bff086b0erobh@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4bfef3bfd9Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> References: <4bfed46ef3robh@argonet.co.uk> <4bfee4b40crobh@argonet.co.uk> <4bfef3bfd9Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article <4bfef3bfd9Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk>, Jeremy C B Nicoll wrote: > In article <4bfee4b40crobh@argonet.co.uk>, > Rob Hemmings wrote: > > Having done some more experimentation, this is not quite correct. > > What is happening is shown by the diagram below (in a fixed width > > font). The full stops show the extent of the page I have defined in > > Ovation. The left hand edge of the page (about 30mm worth) I have > > defined in Ovation is not being printed. The edge of the physical > > page starts where the line of exclamation marks is in the diagram. > > This has the effect of moving My text from the right hand side of the > > page defined in Ovation to the centre of the physical printed page. > > I then end up with a gap filling the remainder of the right hand side > > of the physical page. > > ......!............................ > > .. ! . > > .. ! My text . > > .. ! . > > .. ! . > > .. ! . > > .. ! . > > .. ! . > > .. ! . > > .. ! . > > ......!............................ > > ! > This is a landscape-shaped card. Is it possible that the paper you've > defined is portrait shaped but has a wide left margin or unprintable > area? Thanks, but no I have checked this. > If you try to print plain text (eg from !Edit) can you get text from > line 1 of a test file into the top lefthand corner of the card? With edit I get the same effect as with everything else - that is the text at the left is not printed. (I typed in the alphabet on the top line and the first letter to appear of the paper was L.) Thanks for the suggestions but I think this seems to be a general RISC OS / !Printers problem. -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Hemmings Southport Tel: +44 (0)1704 573210 rhemmings@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jun 10 19:47:26 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1055024768:20:10007:46".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 19:47:26 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1055024768:20:10007:46; Sat, 07 Jun 2003 22:26:08 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.30]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2122372; 7 Jun 2003 22:25 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19Om7s-0006Cs-00; Sat, 07 Jun 2003 23:25:28 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h57MNaq07552 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 23:23:36 +0100 Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h57MNYC07547 for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 23:23:35 +0100 Received: from [62.188.120.206] (helo=62.188.120.206) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 19Om5x-0008MX-Nl for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 07 Jun 2003 23:23:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Rob Hemmings To: Ovation Pro List Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 23:08:53 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Printing onto non-standard size paper Message-ID: <4bff07dfdbrobh@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4bfeef2d9drobh@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article , Anthony Hilton wrote: > In on Sat 07 Jun, Rob Hemmings wrote: > > In article , Anthony > > Hilton wrote: > > > In on Sat 07 Jun, Rob Hemmings wrote: > > > > I am trying to print onto some cards but can't get the print to > > > > appear in the correct place. The cards are 145mm by 102mm and I > > > > want to print into a frame towards the right hand side of the > > > > paper. I have defined a paper size for the printer driver that > > > > matches this and also a master page in Ovation. However, the > > > > text is printing in the centre of the page not on the right. > > > > No problem, your description was very helpful - thanks. > > > > Despite this being an effective work around it does seem strange that > > doing the "proper" way by defining a paper size that matched the > > cards does not seem to work. I'd still be interested to understand > > this if anyone can explain. > A quick test using A5 portrait seems to confirm this. > Printer set to A5 (paper in manual feed with centring guides), A5 > selected in Opro (2.70). !Printers 1.64a with Kyocera Postscript PDF > supplied by Explan, PostScript PDriver module 4.61 (RISC OS 4.36 if > that is relevant). > Frame 10mm from edge of page all round. Having printed and got a sheet > with the frame positioned as for the centre of an A4 page I switched > Print margins on in Opro, they show as expected round the A5 page. I > also checked the Print Setup settings which show Centred. Printed again > with Centred off and X and Y offsets to 0mm and it stil printed as > centred for an A4 sheet so I only got the top right quarter of the > frame. > Further test with !Writer bundled with RISC OS 4 (everything else the > same) puts the print correct for A5 paper. Writer picks up page size > from currently selected printer driver if !Printers is loaded > apparently. > Rob, can you do a similar test wioth your custom paper size and !Writer > just to prove it is not my setup. OK, I've tried this and I'm afraid it still comes out incorrect even with !Writer. I think this definitely is a RISC OS wide problem (see the other part of this thread). Thanks again for all the advice and experimentation! -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Hemmings Southport Tel: +44 (0)1704 573210 rhemmings@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jun 10 19:48:20 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1055083809:20:23916:44".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 19:48:20 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1055083809:20:23916:44; Sun, 08 Jun 2003 14:50:09 GMT Received: from smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.32]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2121828; 8 Jun 2003 14:49 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19P1Ta-0000QU-00; Sun, 08 Jun 2003 15:48:54 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h58Elkf05058 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 15:47:46 +0100 Received: from kx1-gui.server.which.net (kx1-gui.server.which.net [194.168.97.11]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h58Eljt05050 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 15:47:45 +0100 Received: from dan-q2amtw6l9qb.which.net ([62.255.44.126]) by kx1-gui.server.which.net (InterMail vK.4.04.00.00 201-232-137 license e70b2acfbd69d84cc925654164bd8fad) with ESMTP id <20030608144743.KFJK21530.kx1-gui@dan-q2amtw6l9qb.which.net> for ; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 15:47:43 +0100 Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.0.20030607223230.00b7ae20@mail.which.net> X-Sender: waddell@mail.which.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 22:35:57 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: John Waddell Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Printing onto non-standard size paper In-Reply-To: <4bfef37548gav@crawford-print.co.uk> References: <4bfeef2d9drobh@argonet.co.uk> <4bfed46ef3robh@argonet.co.uk> <4bfeef2d9drobh@argonet.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist At 19:25 07-06-03 +0100, you wrote: >In article <4bfeef2d9drobh@argonet.co.uk>, > Rob Hemmings wrote: > > > Despite this being an effective work around it does seem strange that > > doing the "proper" way by defining a paper size that matched the cards > > does not seem to work. I'd still be interested to understand this if > > anyone can explain. > >It's because your newly defined paper size will not tell the printer to >change it's page settings, so the printer is still set up for an A4 page >size. I take it that you are using an HP PCL driver and not driving it >using PostScript. I've not used !Printers for some time, SWMBO uses the RPC, but I seem to recall that, to deal with this issue, I used to install an additional printer driver file on the icon bar with the printer settings configured to the paper size I wanted. Is this not how you resolve the problem? >If the printer is a PostScript one then it could be done. i.e. selecting >a new page size in !Printers configures the printer to use a different >page size or custom size. Although to use it from OPro you have to alter >the PSsupport file in the !OvnPro.Library directory. >If anyone wants more info about this then let me know. > >-- >Gavin Crawford >email: gav@crawford-print.co.uk > web: www.crawford-print.co.uk -- John Waddell, Langbank, Renfrewshire -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jun 10 19:48:28 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1055093366:20:25153:238".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 19:48:28 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1055093366:20:25153:238; Sun, 08 Jun 2003 17:29:26 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.31]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2025973; 8 Jun 2003 17:29 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19P3y4-0002Xt-00; Sun, 08 Jun 2003 18:28:32 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h58HS1r26629 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 18:28:01 +0100 Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h58HS0726613 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 18:28:00 +0100 Received: from [62.188.122.155] (helo=62.188.122.155) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 19P3xS-0006Sr-KB for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 08 Jun 2003 18:27:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Rob Hemmings To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2003 18:26:24 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Printing onto non-standard size paper Message-ID: <4bff71d951robh@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030607223230.00b7ae20@mail.which.net> References: <4bfeef2d9drobh@argonet.co.uk> <4bfed46ef3robh@argonet.co.uk> <4bfeef2d9drobh@argonet.co.uk> <4bfef37548gav@crawford-print.co.uk> <5.1.1.6.0.20030607223230.00b7ae20@mail.which.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article <5.1.1.6.0.20030607223230.00b7ae20@mail.which.net>, John Waddell wrote: > At 19:25 07-06-03 +0100, you wrote: > >In article <4bfeef2d9drobh@argonet.co.uk>, Rob Hemmings > > wrote: > > > > > Despite this being an effective work around it does seem strange > > > that doing the "proper" way by defining a paper size that matched > > > the cards does not seem to work. I'd still be interested to > > > understand this if anyone can explain. > > > >It's because your newly defined paper size will not tell the printer > >to change it's page settings, so the printer is still set up for an A4 > >page size. I take it that you are using an HP PCL driver and not > >driving it using PostScript. > I've not used !Printers for some time, SWMBO uses the RPC, but I seem > to recall that, to deal with this issue, I used to install an > additional printer driver file on the icon bar with the printer > settings configured to the paper size I wanted. Is this not how you > resolve the problem? No, I followed Anthony's suggestion and just used a normal A4 page size with a frame in the right place on the page. I found the right place with a combination of measurement and trial and error! -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Hemmings Southport Tel: +44 (0)1704 573210 rhemmings@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jun 10 23:15:27 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1055283201:10:15836:63".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 23:15:27 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1055283201:10:15836:63; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 22:13:21 GMT Received: from smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.32]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1110923; 10 Jun 2003 22:12 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19PrLw-0001Lk-00; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 23:12:28 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h5AMBpG10483 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 23:11:51 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h5AMBoK10470 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 23:11:50 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19PrLJ-00098N-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 23:11:49 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 23:10:40 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Printing onto non-standard size paper References: <4bfeef2d9drobh@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >Sorry David, this makes it look as though we cannot blame the RISC OS printer >drivers but have to ask you what OPro is doing when it prints, and is there >any chance you will be able to modify it. OP reads the paper size, and printable area size from the printer driver, like any other application. This is how it can display a border on the document page showing what will print. Bit of a whitewash, is there still a problem? -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jun 18 14:39:54 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1055943417:10:26447:96".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 14:39:54 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1055943417:10:26447:96; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 13:36:57 GMT Received: from smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.32]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1124435; 18 Jun 2003 13:36 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19Sd6g-0002D4-00; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 14:36:10 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h5IDZL726919 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 14:35:21 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h5IDZKF26906 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 14:35:21 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 19Sd5s-0002Jo-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 14:35:20 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 14:33:46 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Twain2 - MustekSP problem References: <4bfeef2d9drobh@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >From: Robin Hampshire I have been using a combination of Twain 2 (2.15) with a Mustek 12000SP for many years, all quite successfully, until suddenly the only output I get from the scanner is solid black. This happens with every one of the pre-setting choices, most of which I have never used in anger, and which I've certainly never altered. Could it be a hardware (scanner) fault, or is it more likely that I have changed some software setting inadvertently? Using RO4.33 on SA RPC (it previously worked ok on this OS version) Thanks in advance, -- Robin Hampshire Robin@brushford.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jun 18 15:10:27 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19SdKa-1-tN-1C.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 15:10:27 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19SdKa-1-tN-1C; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 13:50:32 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.30]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id aa0102615; 18 Jun 2003 13:50 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19SdKL-0002Gf-00; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 14:50:17 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h5IDoCO32745 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 14:50:12 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h5IDoB132739 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 14:50:11 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 19SdKF-0005nl-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 14:50:11 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 14:48:34 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Twain2 - MustekSP problem References: <4bfeef2d9drobh@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >I have been using a combination of Twain 2 (2.15) with a Mustek 12000SP >for many years, all quite successfully, until suddenly the only output >I get from the scanner is solid black. Does the lamp come on, does the scanner mechanism make the usual noises, and scan the page? >This happens with every one of the pre-setting choices, most of which I >have never used in anger, and which I've certainly never altered. Fair enough, but in a way since you've never used the presets, trying them now doesn't prove much. >Could it be a hardware (scanner) fault, or is it more likely that I >have changed some software setting inadvertently? Yes. 8-) The points above should let you check the hardware to an extent. Could be that the scanner connection to your computer is not good, try wiggling the plugs. This is a parallel scanner, so some scope for printer hardware and software getting in the way. You've a much better idea than I have, about what may have gone on. Poltergeists (always a menace around computers) could have corrupted the driver -probably worth a reinstall before you bin the scanner (and if you do reinstall follow the manual on installation - setting the device etc.). -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jun 18 22:50:14 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19SkmD-3-2wL-3K.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 22:50:14 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19SkmD-3-2wL-3K; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 21:47:33 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.31]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id aa0314647; 18 Jun 2003 21:47 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19Sklf-0002Mt-00; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 22:46:59 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h5ILkNh10820 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 22:46:23 +0100 Received: from server0027.freedom2surf.net (server0011.freedom2surf.net [194.106.56.14]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h5ILkM110812 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 22:46:23 +0100 Received: from [192.168.0.5] ([195.137.41.33]) by server0027.freedom2surf.net (8.12.6/8.12.6/Debian-7) with ESMTP id h5ILkBPW027808 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 21:46:13 GMT Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 22:46:04 +0100 From: Ray Dawson To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] OP - Windows version Message-ID: Mail-Followup-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-Organization: MagRay User-Agent: Gemini/1.08 (Windows-XP) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist My windows version of OP is due to expire in a few days on 24th June. Do you have a new or saleable version yet David as I'd hate to lose the facility of using OP on my laptop. I've rather got used to it :-) Ray D -- ray@raydawson.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jun 18 23:30:30 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1055975339:20:16477:49".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 23:30:30 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1055975339:20:16477:49; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 22:28:59 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.31]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2100832; 18 Jun 2003 22:28 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19SlPT-0005bw-00; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 23:28:07 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h5IMRv023892 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 23:27:57 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h5IMRuj23880 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 23:27:56 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19SlPI-000Gq3-0X for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 23:27:56 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 23:26:46 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP - Windows version References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >My windows version of OP is due to expire in a few days on 24th June. Do >you have a new or saleable version yet David as I'd hate to lose the >facility of using OP on my laptop. I've rather got used to it :-) 8-) I know, I know, I'm struggling to produce a new version. Problem is that things always start going wrong when a new version has to appear. I'll put up a version at the end of this week. However if I am not happy with it, I'll not mention it here, since a version I am happy with will follow soon afterwards. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jun 18 23:40:17 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1055975849:10:13725:48".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 23:40:17 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1055975849:10:13725:48; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 22:37:29 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.30]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1106490; 18 Jun 2003 22:37 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19SlYG-0001Y4-00; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 23:37:12 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h5IMb8w26756 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 23:37:08 +0100 Received: from imo-m06.mx.aol.com (imo-m06.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.161]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h5IMb6j26751 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 23:37:07 +0100 Received: from DavidLewin@aol.com by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_purify_dev1.2.) id 3.192.1c0e7e5e (4222) for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 18:37:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Message-ID: <192.1c0e7e5e.2c22438d@aol.com> Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 18:37:01 EDT Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Twain2 - MustekSP problem To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_192.1c0e7e5e.2c22438d_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10500 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist --part1_192.1c0e7e5e.2c22438d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 18/06/03 14:37:39 GMT Daylight Time, opro@pilling.demon.co.uk writes: > I have been using a combination of Twain 2 (2.15) with a Mustek 12000SP > for many years, all quite successfully, until suddenly the only output I > get from the scanner is solid black. > Is the lamp on? My Mustek will sometimes be slow to light up once it has ghone to sleep. David Lewin --part1_192.1c0e7e5e.2c22438d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 18/06/= 03 14:37:39 GMT Daylight Time, opro@pilling.demon.co.uk writes:


I have been using a combination= of Twain 2 (2.15) with a Mustek 12000SP
for many years, all quite successfully, until suddenly the only output I get from the scanner is solid black.


Is the lamp on? My Mustek will sometimes be slow to light up once it has gho= ne to sleep.
David Lewin --part1_192.1c0e7e5e.2c22438d_boundary-- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Jun 19 13:55:41 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19SyoE-2-Q4-l.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 13:55:41 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19SyoE-2-Q4-l; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 12:46:34 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.30]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id ab0200691; 19 Jun 2003 12:46 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19Synx-0001jU-00; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 13:46:17 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h5JCjbG18204 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 13:45:37 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h5JCjYm18187 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 13:45:34 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 19SynF-0004qY-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 13:45:33 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 13:43:58 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Twain2 - MustekSP problem References: <4bfeef2d9drobh@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >From: Robin Hampshire In message you wrote: > >I have been using a combination of Twain 2 (2.15) with a Mustek 12000SP > >for many years, all quite successfully, until suddenly the only output > >I get from the scanner is solid black. > > Does the lamp come on, does the scanner mechanism make the usual noises, > and scan the page? Yes to all of those. It all /appears/ to be normal > >This happens with every one of the pre-setting choices, most of which I > >have never used in anger, and which I've certainly never altered. > > Fair enough, but in a way since you've never used the presets, trying > them now doesn't prove much. Mentioned them to stress that it occurs at all settings. > > >Could it be a hardware (scanner) fault, or is it more likely that I > >have changed some software setting inadvertently? > > Yes. > > 8-) > > The points above should let you check the hardware to an extent. Could > be that the scanner connection to your computer is not good, try > wiggling the plugs. This is a parallel scanner, so some scope for > printer hardware and software getting in the way. It's a SCSI scanner. Connections are ok. The scanner is in a chain between the rpc and a hard-disk, both of which communicate ok with each other. > > You've a much better idea than I have, about what may have gone on. > Poltergeists (always a menace around computers) could have corrupted the > driver -probably worth a reinstall before you bin the scanner (and if > you do reinstall follow the manual on installation - setting the device > etc.). > No. Still no good. Thanks for your help, anyway. Regards, -- Robin Hampshire Robin@brushford.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Jun 19 15:15:51 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19T02m-1-5wE-4C.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 15:15:51 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19T02m-1-5wE-4C; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 14:05:40 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.30]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id aa0126260; 19 Jun 2003 14:05 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19T02b-0006vz-00; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 15:05:29 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h5JE4dJ17290 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 15:04:39 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h5JE4Wh17247 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 15:04:32 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 19T01f-0007CN-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 15:04:31 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 15:02:54 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Twain2 - MustekSP problem References: <4bfeef2d9drobh@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >It's a SCSI scanner. Lots of scope for trouble then. To an extent one gets back to the "what changed" question. Or maybe the old perennial "is it terminated correctly". I might be inclined to set up to do a scan that is going to need lots of memory, covering a large area, then see if the scanner behaves correctly. The idea being that such a large scan is going to have to be read in a number of chunks - or at least is going to be bigger than anything the scanner can buffer internally. So if the SCSI side of things is failing I'd expect to see the scan head stick part way. All black images does sound like a connection failure, but of course if you say all the mechanical stuff is moving around in the correct way... Does have to be the correct way, high res scans equal slower scan head movement etc. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Jun 19 17:55:45 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19T2Xv-1-oM-QZ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 17:55:45 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19T2Xv-1-oM-QZ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 16:45:59 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.32]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id aa0113985; 19 Jun 2003 16:35 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19T2NE-000583-00; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 17:34:56 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h5JGYP212087 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 17:34:25 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h5JGYOb12076 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 17:34:25 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 19T2Mg-0000tn-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 17:34:22 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 17:33:10 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Twain2 - MustekSP problem References: <4bfeef2d9drobh@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >From: Robin Hampshire In message <192.1c0e7e5e.2c22438d@aol.com> you wrote: > In a message dated 18/06/03 14:37:39 GMT Daylight Time, > opro@pilling.demon.co.uk writes: > > > > I have been using a combination of Twain 2 (2.15) with a Mustek > > 12000SP for many years, all quite successfully, until suddenly the > > only output I get from the scanner is solid black. > > > > Is the lamp on? My Mustek will sometimes be slow to light up once it > has ghone to sleep. Yes. It behaves to all intents and purposes as though it is scanning normally. Unfortunately the output is just a uniform black block. If the problem is hardware, it is probably something to do with whatever catches/interprets/sends-on the reflections coming back off the paper surface. Thanks for your assistance though. Cheers, -- Robin Hampshire Robin@brushford.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Jun 19 18:15:40 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19T2rl-2-41c-J.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 18:15:40 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19T2rl-2-41c-J; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 17:06:29 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.30]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id aa0209827; 19 Jun 2003 17:05 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19T2qN-0001he-00; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 18:05:03 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h5JH4Z323150 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 18:04:35 +0100 Received: from barra.abel.net.uk (barra.abel.net.uk [195.72.113.10]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h5JH4Yl23145 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 18:04:34 +0100 Received: from iyonix (host213-1-28-192.webport.bt.net [213.1.28.192]) by barra.abel.net.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEEAC15FC08 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 18:13:18 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 15:52:08 +0100 From: Alan Marshall To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] ArcFax 1.20 Message-ID: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.70a (MsgServe/2.10) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.04-pre2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist I've used Arcfax for a number of years with the "Hayes1 v1.01" driver on my RiscPC with a Hayes Accura 56k Speakerphone faxmodem. To run ArcFax on my Iyonix, I have upgraded to v1.20 on which the driver is less than happy. When a 232K fax was sent, it was received at my fax machine (an advantage of ISDN) apart from a couple of pixel rows and showed a fail. v1.20 on my RiscPC transmitted successfully. I then sent a fax from the machine to the Iyonix. It appeared to be transmitted correctly (going through at a steady pace) but nothing was received though the timer was working and it disconnected when the transmission finished. The RiscPC did the same. Can anyone please tell me how the driver can be modified. Regards, Alan. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Jun 19 20:25:52 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19T4ts-1-5vw-4N.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 20:25:52 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19T4ts-1-5vw-4N; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 19:16:48 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.30]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id ab0103426; 19 Jun 2003 19:15 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19T4kW-0003Gp-00; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 20:07:08 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h5JJ6GQ28243 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 20:06:16 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h5JJ6F728239 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 20:06:15 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19T4jf-000724-0W for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 20:06:15 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 20:05:02 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] ArcFax 1.20 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Hi, >To run ArcFax on my Iyonix, I have upgraded to v1.20 1.21 - has been the latest since about Xmas. > on which the driver is >less than happy. When a 232K fax was sent, it was received at my fax machine >(an advantage of ISDN) apart from a couple of pixel rows and showed a fail. >v1.20 on my RiscPC transmitted successfully. Since it worked on the Risc PC, why does all this point at the driver being unhappy on 1.20? As regards drivers 1.20 should not be a lot different to 1.16 (which is probably what you were using). When the Strong ARM came out there were a crop of problems, perhaps because some things went just a touch faster. However there hasn't been a similar situation with the Iyonix. I'd be inclined to give the Class1VA driver a go. The dedicated Hayes driver goes way back, to the days when Hayes employed someone with an Acorn, and he had time to write that driver. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Jun 19 20:25:54 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19T4uJ-2-2HH-1n.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 20:25:54 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19T4uJ-2-2HH-1n; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 19:17:15 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.30]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id aa0210995; 19 Jun 2003 19:16 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19T4sx-0004Ax-00; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 20:15:51 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h5JJFlj31340 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 20:15:47 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h5JJFgc31317 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 20:15:42 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19T4so-000NcX-0X for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 20:15:42 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 20:14:18 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Twain2 - MustekSP problem References: <4bfeef2d9drobh@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Hi, >If the problem is hardware, it is probably something to do with >whatever catches/interprets/sends-on the reflections coming back off >the paper surface. I once played for weeks before I discovered the mirror in a scanner was broken. Err oh right, and on another one, the mirror just came out of its clips. However the "what changed" question, should catch "I dropped my scanner from a first floor window". A quick check on a PC or another Acorn perhaps. After that, time to muse out loud how cheap scanners are today for so much better performance. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Jun 19 21:05:49 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19T5dT-3-4vR-1I.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 21:05:49 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19T5dT-3-4vR-1I; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 20:03:55 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.32]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id ab0320407; 19 Jun 2003 20:03 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19T5cW-0001Gg-00; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 21:02:56 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h5JK2pa14388 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 21:02:51 +0100 Received: from mxout4.netvision.net.il (mxout4.netvision.net.il [194.90.9.27]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h5JK2lh14355 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 21:02:48 +0100 Received: from netvision.net.il ([217.132.5.195]) by mxout4.netvision.net.il (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.14 (built Mar 18 2003)) with ESMTPA id <0HGQ00HSLVSPKS@mxout4.netvision.net.il> for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 23:05:14 +0300 (IDT) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 23:02:05 +0300 From: Michael Ben-Gershon Subject: Re: [softwarelist] ArcFax 1.20 In-reply-to: To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Message-id: <3EF216BD.9060103@netvision.net.il> Organization: My Office MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-GB, en, he User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030314 References: Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > >> To run ArcFax on my Iyonix, I have upgraded to v1.20 > > > 1.21 - has been the latest since about Xmas. > >> on which the driver is >> less than happy. When a 232K fax was sent, it was received at my fax >> machine >> (an advantage of ISDN) apart from a couple of pixel rows and showed a >> fail. >> v1.20 on my RiscPC transmitted successfully. > > > Since it worked on the Risc PC, why does all this point at the driver > being unhappy on 1.20? I have found that the communications between the modem and the computer are considerably slower on the Iyonix, and that ArcFax sometimes gives a 'modem not responding' error as a result. But why on earth should that be the case? Surely the serial connection of the Iyonix can't be that bad? Michael Ben-Gershon mybg@netvision.net.il -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Jun 19 21:45:51 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19T6FB-1-6yP-x.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 21:45:51 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19T6FB-1-6yP-x; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 20:42:53 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.31]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id ab0126447; 19 Jun 2003 20:42 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19T6Et-0000nt-00; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 21:42:35 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h5JKg7I27895 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 21:42:07 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h5JKg6327891 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 21:42:06 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 19T6EQ-0000Cv-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 21:42:06 +0100 Message-ID: <08Lr1cJe$h8+EwVX@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 21:41:02 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] ArcFax 1.20 References: <3EF216BD.9060103@netvision.net.il> In-Reply-To: <3EF216BD.9060103@netvision.net.il> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >I have found that the communications between the modem and the computer >are considerably slower on the Iyonix, and that ArcFax sometimes gives >a 'modem not responding' error as a result. But why on earth should >that be the case? Surely the serial connection of the Iyonix can't be >that bad? Well it would be continuing an Acorn tradition of dodgy serial ports. The sort of thing one would see (I'm talking about in recent times, clearly back in the 1980's all sorts of serial port horrors happened) was modems that were only happy talking to Risc PC's at certain bit rates. I always put that down to hardware tolerances. You can change this speed in the modem driver, later ones make this more obvious, defining the speed right at the start. Legal values are 19200 38400 57600 115200. I'm not sure how one gets 'slower', what it makes me think is that ArcFax has to keep retrying commands. Having a look at the debug window should let you observe what is going on. It's a long time ago, but I think what may have happened with strong ARM is that the code went quicker and as a result ArcFax was looking for responses from the modem too quickly, and hence missing them. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jun 20 14:00:49 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19TLC0-1-2el-b.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 14:00:49 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19TLC0-1-2el-b; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 12:40:36 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.32]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id aa0107573; 20 Jun 2003 12:40 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19TLBT-0005y4-00; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 13:40:03 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h5KCdNS17692 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 13:39:23 +0100 Received: from obelix.spectraweb.ch (mailrelay03.sunrise.ch [194.158.229.31]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h5KCdJj17659 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 13:39:19 +0100 Received: from janvredenburchsmile.ch (tch-ls-1-dialup-157.spectraweb.ch [194.230.224.157]) by obelix.spectraweb.ch (8.12.9/8.12.6) with SMTP id h5KCdCbb018870 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 14:39:12 +0200 Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 08:45:02 +0200 (BST) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Twain2 - MustekSP problem To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: CIC member; Secretariaat St. Van Vredenburch X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On Thu 19 Jun, David Pilling wrote: > > >From: Robin Hampshire > > In message <192.1c0e7e5e.2c22438d@aol.com> you wrote: > > > In a message dated 18/06/03 14:37:39 GMT Daylight Time, > > opro@pilling.demon.co.uk writes: > > > > > > > I have been using a combination of Twain 2 (2.15) with a Mustek > > > 12000SP for many years, all quite successfully, until suddenly the > > > only output I get from the scanner is solid black. > > > > > > > Is the lamp on? My Mustek will sometimes be slow to light up once it > > has ghone to sleep. > > Yes. It behaves to all intents and purposes as though it is scanning > normally. Unfortunately the output is just a uniform black block. > > If the problem is hardware, it is probably something to do with whatever > catches/interprets/sends-on the reflections coming back off the paper > surface. Try connecting the scanner only to the computer. And try using different cables. If problem persists take scanner to shop or friend to see if problem persists. If it does I believe the scanner is probably u/s. JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch, CH - 6006 Luzern **new email address** email: janvredenburch@smile.ch . -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jun 20 18:30:11 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19TPdd-3-2yb-19.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 18:30:11 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19TPdd-3-2yb-19; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 17:25:25 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.32]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id aa0309891; 20 Jun 2003 17:24 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19TPcc-0004rd-00; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 18:24:22 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h5KHNZJ28351 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 18:23:35 +0100 Received: from barra.abel.net.uk (barra.abel.net.uk [195.72.113.10]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h5KHNZ728347 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 18:23:35 +0100 Received: from iyonix (host212-140-80-152.webport.bt.net [212.140.80.152]) by barra.abel.net.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id D64EF15F848 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 18:32:26 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 18:22:20 +0100 From: Alan Marshall To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] ArcFax 1.20 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.70a (MsgServe/2.10) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.04-pre2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > > >To run ArcFax on my Iyonix, I have upgraded to v1.20 > > 1.21 - has been the latest since about Xmas. > Sorry, 1.21 is the version I have been using. > > on which the driver is > >less than happy. When a 232K fax was sent, it was received at my fax machine > >(an advantage of ISDN) apart from a couple of pixel rows and showed a fail. > >v1.20 on my RiscPC transmitted successfully. > > Since it worked on the Risc PC, why does all this point at the driver > being unhappy on 1.20? > > As regards drivers 1.20 should not be a lot different to 1.16 (which is > probably what you were using). When the Strong ARM came out there were a > crop of problems, perhaps because some things went just a touch faster. > However there hasn't been a similar situation with the Iyonix. > > I'd be inclined to give the Class1VA driver a go. > > The dedicated Hayes driver goes way back, to the days when Hayes > employed someone with an Acorn, and he had time to write that driver. > Thanks for the suggestion, I now have the Class1VA driver working. After several checks I found that it would work only if Aemulor wasn't running. Transmits OK and receives OK apart from the "Complete" icon not being updated in the control panel window. Regards, Alan. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jun 20 21:50:13 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19TShi-3-2Yh-o.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 21:50:13 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19TShi-3-2Yh-o; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 20:41:50 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.32]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id aa0309208; 20 Jun 2003 20:41 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19TShN-0005VN-00; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 21:41:29 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h5KKeot21027 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 21:40:50 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h5KKen821021 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 21:40:49 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 19TSgi-0000Ql-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 21:40:48 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 21:39:30 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] ArcFax 1.20 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >After several checks I found that it would work only if Aemulor wasn't >running. This reminds me, there was someone (who'd probably appreciate not being named) who had a horrible problem with DPSS on his Iyonix. At the end of the day it turned out DPSS was running under Aemulor whilst making use of RISC OS 5 facilities (greater than 32MB wimp slot). He didn't know DPSS was running under emulation - Aemulor is that good. So I guess you have to be careful... -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jun 20 23:50:18 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1056148998:20:14286:250".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 23:50:18 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1056148998:20:14286:250; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 22:43:18 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.31]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2110424; 20 Jun 2003 22:42 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19TUaC-0007eG-00; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 23:42:12 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h5KMeJG20169 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 23:40:19 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h5KMeIi20165 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 23:40:19 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19TUYM-0002Kd-0Y for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 23:40:18 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 23:38:55 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP - Windows version References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Hi, The latest version of Ovation Pro for Windows is now on my web site. http://davidpilling.net/ovationpro/opw.html This version has font mapping (Misc->Font Manager). My thanks to Mrs. Tonnie Demarteau for letting me include some sample font mappings. There is a document on the above web page which explains things in technical terms. I'll produce something easier to digest in due course. In a nutshell font mapping allows you to use documents with RISC OS font names whilst using Windows fonts for display. The result is that you can swop documents between Windows and RISC OS without font names getting changed. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Jun 21 00:40:20 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19TVTZ-1-4Dp-f.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 00:40:20 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19TVTZ-1-4Dp-f; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 23:39:25 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.30]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id aa0113515; 20 Jun 2003 23:38 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19TVSp-0001oe-00; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 00:38:39 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h5KNcY500583 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 00:38:34 +0100 Received: from server0027.freedom2surf.net (server0011.freedom2surf.net [194.106.56.14]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h5KNcXL00577 for ; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 00:38:33 +0100 Received: from RiscPC ([195.137.41.33]) by server0027.freedom2surf.net (8.12.6/8.12.6/Debian-7) with ESMTP id h5KNcTPW020739 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 23:38:33 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 00:29:28 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OP - Windows version Message-ID: <4c05c11e81ray@raydawson.com> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.33) POPstar/2.05 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article , David Pilling wrote: > The latest version of Ovation Pro for Windows is now on my web site. Which still identifies itself as version 2.70. Is that correct? Ray D -- ray@raydawson.com http://www.raydawson.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Jun 21 02:30:28 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1056158898:10:06606:98".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 02:30:28 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1056158898:10:06606:98; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 01:28:18 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.31]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1101978; 21 Jun 2003 1:27 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19TXAH-0004X9-00; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 02:27:37 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h5L1R2f19032 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 02:27:02 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h5L1R1019027 for ; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 02:27:01 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 19TX9g-0005SC-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 02:27:01 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 02:25:41 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP - Windows version References: <4c05c11e81ray@raydawson.com> In-Reply-To: <4c05c11e81ray@raydawson.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >> The latest version of Ovation Pro for Windows is now on my web site. >Which still identifies itself as version 2.70. Is that correct? Yes, they all have been called 2.70, but the date changes. If I number each version, the number will get too large. And for now the functionality is similar to RISC OS version 2.70. If I'd numbered them all we'd be talking about 3.07 for Windows and 2.70 for RISC OS. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jun 24 19:49:26 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19ToHy-1-3nA-n.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 19:49:26 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19ToHy-1-3nA-n; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 19:44:42 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.32]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id aa0109259; 21 Jun 2003 19:43 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19ToGr-0001ZX-00; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 20:43:33 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h5LJgm820573 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 20:42:48 +0100 Received: from aquarius.realingenuity.net (aquarius.realingenuity.net [213.165.154.155]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h5LJglM20569 for ; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 20:42:48 +0100 Received: from RTV (1Cust221.tnt20.lnd1.gbr.da.uu.net [62.188.72.221]) by aquarius.realingenuity.net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id h5LJXwM25165 for ; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 20:33:58 +0100 Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 20:44:02 +0100 From: Mik Towse To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP - Windows version Message-ID: <4C0630511F%mik.towse@xemik.com> References: <4c05c11e81ray@raydawson.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.61 POPstar/2.05 X-Editor: Zap 1.45, using ZapEmail 0.26 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article David Pilling wrote: > > > The latest version of Ovation Pro for Windows is now on my web site. > > Which still identifies itself as version 2.70. Is that correct? > Yes, they all have been called 2.70, but the date changes. > > If I number each version, the number will get too large. And for now the > functionality is similar to RISC OS version 2.70. > > If I'd numbered them all we'd be talking about 3.07 for Windows and 2.70 > for RISC OS. Perhaps you could do a Webster XL & add a letter for each new version. Hm, 2.70ak? :-/ -- __ __ _ _ _____ | \/ (_) | __ |_ _|____ __ _____ ___ | |\/| | | |/ / | |/ _ \ V V (_- for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 19:49:41 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19U9yz-1-1YF-o; Sun, 22 Jun 2003 18:54:33 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.31]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id aa0105000; 22 Jun 2003 18:54 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19U9yi-00049A-00; Sun, 22 Jun 2003 19:54:16 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h5MIs9S09533 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 22 Jun 2003 19:54:09 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h5MIs8k09529 for ; Sun, 22 Jun 2003 19:54:08 +0100 Received: from lilyg.demon.co.uk ([80.177.108.52] helo=NicksPC) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19U9yZ-000N3X-0X for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 22 Jun 2003 19:54:07 +0100 From: To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 19:54:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Using SparkFS1.37 to create zip archive for transfer to windows PC Message-ID: <3EF60976.22307.1BA74BC@localhost> In-reply-to: <3EF607CB.25788.1B3F28A@localhost> References: <4c06a48d2ajdp@pandora.be> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 22 Jun 2003 at 19:47, nick@lilyg.demon.co.uk wrote: > On 22 Jun 2003 at 18:53, Jan De Poorter wrote: > > > In article <3EF5D761.16147.F6D564@localhost>, > > wrote: > > > > > I have created a zip archive using SparkFS 1.37. When I open the > > > archive on the RiscPC I can see the directory structure. > > > I am then using CDBurn 1.58 to create a data cd with filer like > > > structure by dropping the zip archive into it and creating an > > > isoimage. > > > I am then burning this to cd. > > > On the PC I can read the CD and see the zip archive but when I open > > > it using winzip all the files are listed with no directory > > > structure. > > > > This is due to the way winzip displays the files. > > All the files are listed to the left of the winzip window. > > You should find the directories in which the files reside > > to the right of the winzip window, under 'Path'. > > > > Jan. > > > > -- > > Jan De Poorter Gent - Belgium mailto:jdp@pandora.be > > > > -- > > To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net > > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message > > > > Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net > > Hi, > Yes I have discovered this since I posted. > I was hoping to be able to drag the directories out of winzip and > copy across all the sub directories maintaining the hierarchy. > As it is it seems I'll have to recreate the directory tree on the PC > hard drive and then reassemble the files into them using the path > name. This is a bit tedious. Or am I missing something? > > Thanks for your help. > Nick > > nick@lilyg.demon.co.uk Lancaster/U.K. > > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message > > Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net Hi, Sorry to follow up my own post but I've just discovered that when I extract it onto the hard disc folder it does recreate the directory structure. Sorry to waste your time and thanks for the help. Regards, Nick nick@lilyg.demon.co.uk Lancaster/U.K. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jun 24 19:49:47 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19UO6h-1-2To-15.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 19:49:47 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19UO6h-1-2To-15; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 09:59:27 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.31]) by punt-3.mail.demon.net id ad0109017; 23 Jun 2003 9:59 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19UO6D-0002Av-00; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 10:58:57 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h5N9wOd30718 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 10:58:24 +0100 Received: from smtp01.altohiway.com (IDENT:root@smtp01.altohiway.com [195.12.4.238]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h5N9wK430698 for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 10:58:21 +0100 Received: from websrv.quantel.com (quantel-gw.hiway.co.uk [195.12.20.34] (may be forged)) by smtp01.altohiway.com (8.11.6/8.9.3) with ESMTP id h5N9wG714865 for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 10:58:17 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Using SparkFS1.37 to create zip archive for transfer to windows PC MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 10:58:11 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-asci