From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu May 1 13:26:17 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1051791919:20:18560:109".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 1 May 2003 13:26:17 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1051791919:20:18560:109; Thu, 01 May 2003 12:25:19 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.30]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2127341; 1 May 2003 12:24 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19BD04-0003Zp-00; Thu, 01 May 2003 13:17:20 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h41CGSd12041 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 1 May 2003 13:16:28 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h41CGR612034 for ; Thu, 1 May 2003 13:16:27 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19BCzD-0009Ja-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 01 May 2003 13:16:27 +0100 Message-ID: <1R71FpBB$Qs+EwGi@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 13:14:57 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvationPro 2.70 - write protecting frames References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >From: charles Thank you all for your comments. As has been said putting a frame on a Master Page does have disadvantages in some circumstances - you can't easily shove the frame's position around in a document, for one. Putting your text in a picture format is not viable really as you might have to expect another editor to become familiar with unscrambling that for any rare changes. And it is so slow! Once you have set up one protective picture frame you can keep it in the document perhaps and just copy and paste it to how ever many frames you want protected. Locking the text frame or the group may be an imortant step but that precludes moving it. It does however stop accidental deletion. I shall now make more use of lock! If there were a way of identifying the protected group that would not affect printing,that would be useful, but I don't see why ungrabable grahic handles shouldn't be enough clue... Charles -- RiscOS4 OvationPro ROUGOL ProCAD+ http://www.zynet.co.uk/dsnell tel 020 8949 0708 - Mob 079 5620 0176 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu May 1 14:56:14 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1051792531:20:02684:81".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 1 May 2003 14:56:14 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1051792531:20:02684:81; Thu, 01 May 2003 12:35:31 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.31]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ah2124846; 1 May 2003 12:34 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19BD1F-0003TW-00; Thu, 01 May 2003 13:18:33 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h41CIVf12623 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 1 May 2003 13:18:31 +0100 Received: from zephir.uk.clara.net (zephir.uk.clara.net [195.8.69.53]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h41CIUH12614 for ; Thu, 1 May 2003 13:18:30 +0100 Received: from du-069-0956.access.clara.net ([217.158.170.193] helo=clara.net) by zephir.uk.clara.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19BD1B-000FgI-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 01 May 2003 13:18:30 +0100 Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 12:13:11 GMT From: charles To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] SparkFS 1.39 Mysteries - to me! Message-ID: <1368c3eb4b.charles@clara.co.uk> X-Organization: home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (MsgServe/2.02) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist I read that Zip was the way to compress things as that was transparent to the PC side, retaining all the right extensions. And this seemed to be so. But trying to compress an Opro file, Zip-ping froze the RiscPC. I tried upping memory to 33620k but repeated the problem. I reverted to spark file and that worked OK. Opro file size 6.92 mb. And is there a reason why spark dir should be regarded as applications and not allowed by Messenger as attachments? Charles -- RiscOS4 OvationPro ROUGOL ProCAD+ http://www.zynet.co.uk/dsnell tel 020 8949 0708 - Mob 079 5620 0176 -- RiscOS4 OvationPro ROUGOL ProCAD+ http://www.zynet.co.uk/dsnell tel 020 8949 0708 - Mob 079 5620 0176 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu May 1 14:56:14 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1051792727:20:06219:118".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 1 May 2003 14:56:14 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1051792727:20:06219:118; Thu, 01 May 2003 12:38:47 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.31]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2104714; 1 May 2003 12:38 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19BDIu-00077Q-00; Thu, 01 May 2003 13:36:48 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h41Caht18584 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 1 May 2003 13:36:43 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h41Cagm18581 for ; Thu, 1 May 2003 13:36:42 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19BDIo-000Fhb-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 01 May 2003 13:36:42 +0100 Message-ID: <0wkl9WD$RRs+EwUT@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 13:35:11 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvationPro 2.70 - write protecting frames References: <1R71FpBB$Qs+EwGi@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <1R71FpBB$Qs+EwGi@pilling.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >As has been said putting a frame on a Master Page does have >disadvantages in some circumstances - you can't easily shove the >frame's position around in a document, for one. Well there is the 'make local' feature, but the text then becomes editable. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu May 1 19:55:21 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1051814731:20:24679:100".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 1 May 2003 19:55:21 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1051814731:20:24679:100; Thu, 01 May 2003 18:45:31 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.30]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2112470; 1 May 2003 18:44 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19BIzE-0007Cu-00; Thu, 01 May 2003 19:40:52 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h41IdsY23827 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 1 May 2003 19:39:54 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h41IdqR23812 for ; Thu, 1 May 2003 19:39:54 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 19BIyF-0005ed-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 01 May 2003 19:39:51 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 19:38:31 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SparkFS 1.39 Mysteries - to me! References: <1368c3eb4b.charles@clara.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <1368c3eb4b.charles@clara.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >But trying to compress an Opro file, Zip-ping froze the RiscPC. >Opro file size 6.92 mb. Sin #578921 not enabling the hour glass... see previous lengthy discussions here. Zipping just takes a long time. There is a command that lets you tune the zip deflation algorithm so it compresses slightly less but goes somewhat faster. In a word, patience. In more than a word, it's Mr. Turings halting problem, how do you know if the computer has hung or if it is working on the problem. >And is there a reason why spark dir should be regarded as applications >and not allowed by Messenger as attachments? A Spark dir 'archive' is actually a directory structure on disc, other archives are files. I guess you can email directory structures using MIME, so should be possible but not desirable - particularly by anyone who doesn't have a MIME mailer. You can shift drag a directory archive to the SFS icon bar icon and it will offer a fast conversion to Spark file format. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu May 1 22:15:45 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1051823643:20:00287:42".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 1 May 2003 22:15:45 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1051823643:20:00287:42; Thu, 01 May 2003 21:14:03 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.30]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2121550; 1 May 2003 21:13 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19BLMp-0007yw-00; Thu, 01 May 2003 22:13:23 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h41LCaQ29609 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 1 May 2003 22:12:36 +0100 Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h41LCZ529604 for ; Thu, 1 May 2003 22:12:35 +0100 Received: from [213.116.62.167] (helo=bc17.argonet.co.uk) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 19BLM0-0004B6-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 01 May 2003 22:12:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 21:09:18 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SparkFS 1.39 Mysteries - to me! Message-ID: <4bebeeff3esteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <1368c3eb4b.charles@clara.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.05-a1 (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.04-pre1 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 01 May, David Pilling wrote: > In more than a word, it's Mr. Turings halting problem, how do you know > if the computer has hung or if it is working on the problem. Go to lunch (and possibly supper and breakfast) then make a guess. :-) -- What kind of insanity destroys fields to replace what already exists? Stop Rugby Airport now before it's too late... Steve Pampling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu May 1 22:35:55 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1051824467:10:23434:59".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 1 May 2003 22:35:55 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1051824467:10:23434:59; Thu, 01 May 2003 21:27:47 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.30]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1112829; 1 May 2003 21:27 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19BLVN-0000mq-00; Thu, 01 May 2003 22:22:13 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h41LM9t31446 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 1 May 2003 22:22:09 +0100 Received: from altrade.nijmegen.internl.net (altrade.nijmegen.internl.net [217.149.192.18]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h41LM9Z31442 for ; Thu, 1 May 2003 22:22:09 +0100 Received: from padua by altrade.nijmegen.internl.net via 1Cust103.tnt32.rtm1.nld.da.uu.net [213.116.158.103] with SMTP for id h41LM7uP004884 (8.12.9/2.04); Thu, 1 May 2003 23:22:08 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <000701c31028$144665c0$679e74d5@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: References: <1368c3eb4b.charles@clara.co.uk> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SparkFS 1.39 Mysteries - to me! Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 23:24:00 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On Thursday, May 01, 2003 8:38 PM, David Pilling wrote: > In more than a word, it's Mr. Turings halting problem, how do you know > if the computer has hung or if it is working on the problem. Toggle Caps Lock on/off? When it works, computer is still working. Anyway, that's my experience ... -- Mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri May 2 14:12:31 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1051866188:20:29469:51".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 2 May 2003 14:12:31 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1051866188:20:29469:51; Fri, 02 May 2003 09:03:08 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.31]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2028251; 2 May 2003 9:01 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19BWPJ-0003q2-00; Fri, 02 May 2003 10:00:41 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h428xnQ07254 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 2 May 2003 09:59:49 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h428xmH07249 for ; Fri, 2 May 2003 09:59:48 +0100 Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19BWOM-000JoO-0Y for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 02 May 2003 09:59:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 09:08:07 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SparkFS 1.39 Mysteries - to me! Message-ID: <4bec30ce5eJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <1368c3eb4b.charles@clara.co.uk> References: <1368c3eb4b.charles@clara.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03e (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article <1368c3eb4b.charles@clara.co.uk>, charles wrote: > Opro file size 6.92 mb. Really? 6.92 milli-bits? Why bother zipping something so small? -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri May 2 15:51:52 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1051886564:20:20494:77".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 2 May 2003 15:51:52 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1051886564:20:20494:77; Fri, 02 May 2003 14:42:44 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.31]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ad2020579; 2 May 2003 14:42 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19BbcO-0003sw-00; Fri, 02 May 2003 15:34:32 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h42EXM830499 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 2 May 2003 15:33:22 +0100 Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h42EXLo30490 for ; Fri, 2 May 2003 15:33:21 +0100 Received: from [62.188.120.91] (helo=62.188.120.91) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 19Bbb8-0000vn-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 02 May 2003 15:33:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Dr P.N.Young" To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 15:27:49 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Scanning mystery. Message-ID: <4bec53918epnyoung@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03e (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist If I scan something into the app formerly known as ... , save it as a jpg and import it into OPro it comes out the right size. If I import the same image into EasiWriter or attach it to an e-mail (Pluto) it comes out magnified fourfold. Why? TIA, Best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. Anne \ / __ __ \ England. Cecilia / / \ | | |\ | / _ http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/pnyoung James / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \_____________ pnyoung@argonet.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri May 2 16:51:31 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1051890389:10:09142:147".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 2 May 2003 16:51:31 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1051890389:10:09142:147; Fri, 02 May 2003 15:46:29 GMT Received: from smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.32]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1117095; 2 May 2003 15:45 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19BciU-0003U5-00; Fri, 02 May 2003 16:44:54 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h42Fhxi20777 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 2 May 2003 16:43:59 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h42Fhxm20771 for ; Fri, 2 May 2003 16:43:59 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19Bcha-000NAk-0Y for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 02 May 2003 16:43:58 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 16:42:38 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Scanning mystery. References: <4bec53918epnyoung@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4bec53918epnyoung@argonet.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >If I scan something into the app formerly known as ... , save it as a jpg >and import it into OPro it comes out the right size. If I import the same >image into EasiWriter or attach it to an e-mail (Pluto) it comes out >magnified fourfold. This (I guess) is the old thing about resolution data. Some file formats have it (JPEG, TIFF) others don't (Sprite), or sometimes people don't use the facility in the formats that do support resolution data. Finally the program you import the graphic into can ignore the resolution data, and I'd guess this is what is happening. So you scan at 360 dpi, save as JPEG (which retains the 360 dpi), import into OP and it reads the 360 dpi and scales the image to the corresponding size. Import into someting else, and the 360 is replaced by 'screen resolution' usually 90dpi, and since 360/90 is 4 that's how much bigger the image appears. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat May 3 17:08:17 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1051977632:10:02412:42".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 3 May 2003 17:08:17 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1051977632:10:02412:42; Sat, 03 May 2003 16:00:32 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.31]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1001804; 3 May 2003 15:59 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19BzQE-0001Gx-00; Sat, 03 May 2003 16:59:34 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h43FwPP23203 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 3 May 2003 16:58:25 +0100 Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h43FwPR23200 for ; Sat, 3 May 2003 16:58:25 +0100 Received: from [62.188.120.194] (helo=62.188.120.194) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 19BzP4-0004kD-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 03 May 2003 16:58:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Dr P.N.Young" To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 16:20:58 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Scanning mystery. Message-ID: <4becdc4527pnyoung@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4bec53918epnyoung@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03e (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article , David Pilling wrote: > >If I scan something into the app formerly known as ... , save it as a > >jpg and import it into OPro it comes out the right size. If I import > >the same image into EasiWriter or attach it to an e-mail (Pluto) it > >comes out magnified fourfold. > This (I guess) is the old thing about resolution data. Some file formats > have it (JPEG, TIFF) others don't (Sprite), or sometimes people don't > use the facility in the formats that do support resolution data. Finally > the program you import the graphic into can ignore the resolution data, > and I'd guess this is what is happening. > So you scan at 360 dpi, save as JPEG (which retains the 360 dpi), > import into OP and it reads the 360 dpi and scales the image to the > corresponding size. Import into something else, and the 360 is replaced > by 'screen resolution' usually 90dpi, and since 360/90 is 4 that's how > much bigger the image appears. Thanks, David. I /think/ I understand this. I just wanted to know if I was doing something wrong. I'll just go on reducing the image to 25%. Best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. Anne \ / __ __ \ England. Cecilia / / \ | | |\ | / _ http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/pnyoung James / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \_____________ pnyoung@argonet.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue May 6 21:23:57 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1051987543:10:24028:253".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 6 May 2003 21:23:57 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1051987543:10:24028:253; Sat, 03 May 2003 18:45:43 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.30]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1118350; 3 May 2003 18:45 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19C20J-0002Q7-00; Sat, 03 May 2003 19:44:59 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h43Ihhb24381 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 3 May 2003 19:43:43 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h43IhgH24373 for ; Sat, 3 May 2003 19:43:42 +0100 Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19C1z3-000Gji-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 03 May 2003 19:43:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 19:42:27 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Scanning mystery. Message-ID: <4beceeb7bbJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4becdc4527pnyoung@argonet.co.uk> References: <4bec53918epnyoung@argonet.co.uk> <4becdc4527pnyoung@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03e (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article <4becdc4527pnyoung@argonet.co.uk>, Dr P.N.Young wrote: > Thanks, David. I /think/ I understand this. I just wanted to know if I > was doing something wrong. I'll just go on reducing the image to 25%. Whether that's sensible depends on what the images are for. You've scanned at - say - 360 dpi, so stored the picture in a fair amount of detail. If you actually want that level of detail (for OP or wherever else) that's fine). If you are planning to display the image unmagnified on screen (where only 90dpi or thereabouts will be used) or email all of them to other people who will only then use 90 dpi, you're wasting storage and file transmission time by sending 4x the amount of infomation that's needed. You'd be better to make the original scan at 90dpi. -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue May 6 22:13:07 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1052255357:20:00493:610".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 6 May 2003 22:13:07 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1052255357:20:00493:610; Tue, 06 May 2003 21:09:17 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.31]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ac2122694; 6 May 2003 21:03 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19D97g-000505-00; Tue, 06 May 2003 21:33:12 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h46KWYU01400 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 6 May 2003 21:32:34 +0100 Received: from cmailm2.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailm2.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.210]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h46KWYN01391 for ; Tue, 6 May 2003 21:32:34 +0100 Received: from modem-197.boron.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.4.197] helo=localhost) by cmailm2.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.14) id 19D972-0004JH-PF; Tue, 06 May 2003 21:32:33 +0100 Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 21:13:12 +0100 From: Robin Phillips To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] Problems with auto-insert in OvPro Message-ID: X-Organization: home X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.68 User-Agent: POPstar/2.03 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Dear colleagues, I am using OvationPro 2.66, and composing a document with various numbered sections. May I ask for some help? If I use ^F to get the Modify format dialogue, and then click the menu to the right of auto-insert to get the dialogue headed auto bullet and number, I find I can define character before and character after, and tab after. It would be very helpful if one were allowed to specify tab before, not only tab after! Logically we need a tick box tab before, then a writable icon Character before, then on the next line Character after followed by Tab after. My next problem arises from the document. After several paragraphs numbered 1,2,3, I hit return, then ^F to switch onto lower-case roman numbering, and entered some paragraphs in that style successfully, reaching xvi . Now I need to switch back to arabic! I hit return, ^F, and go to the auto bullet and number dialogue, change to the arabic numbers, and in the Start number window I use ^U and enter "7", then click OK on that dialogue and OK on the Modify format dialogue to return to my document. However, when I try typing in the next para, it starts with "17" !! Why will it not work in the way I expected, and show 7 there? Any help will be much appreciated. Yours sincerely, Robin. -- Robin Phillips, Beeston, Notts., NG9 1BT Phone: 0115 922 4930 http://www.beeston12.freeserve.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed May 7 15:41:42 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1052316406:10:11687:164".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 7 May 2003 15:41:42 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1052316406:10:11687:164; Wed, 07 May 2003 14:06:46 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.30]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id bd1016433; 7 May 2003 14:05 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19DPE4-00060d-00; Wed, 07 May 2003 14:44:52 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h47Di4b01127 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 7 May 2003 14:44:04 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h47Di4a01123 for ; Wed, 7 May 2003 14:44:04 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19DPDH-000CAk-0X for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 07 May 2003 14:44:03 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 14:42:54 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Problems with auto-insert in OvPro References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >allowed to specify tab before, not only tab after! Logically we need a tick >box tab before, then a writable icon Character before, then on the next line >Character after followed by Tab after. Tab before is probably redundant since you have an indent and first line indent setting available to you. >on the Modify format dialogue to return to my document. However, when I try >typing in the next para, it starts with "17" !! Why will it not work in the >way I expected, and show 7 there? Probably because the numbers at one level always increase by one per paragraph unless reset by some text at a lower level. It's always easiest to think about the system in a book 1 1.1 1.1.1 1.1.2 1.1.3 1.2 1.2.1 2 2.1 2.1.1 So chapter numbers always increase, section numbers reset at the start of each chapter. I think the manual may contain some thoughts on how to get the result you desire. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri May 9 18:28:57 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1052500923:10:09777:45".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 9 May 2003 18:28:57 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1052500923:10:09777:45; Fri, 09 May 2003 17:22:03 GMT Received: from smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.32]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1123752; 9 May 2003 17:21 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19EBXv-0005Ef-00; Fri, 09 May 2003 18:20:35 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h49HKCT16168 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 9 May 2003 18:20:12 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h49HKBD16162 for ; Fri, 9 May 2003 18:20:11 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 19EBXX-0002Kc-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 09 May 2003 18:20:11 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 18:18:50 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro for Windows new version References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Hi, I've uploaded the latest version of Ovation Pro for Windows see http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/opw.html A lot of work over the last month or so has been on applets. There are now about 50 supplied. There's also an applet manager. I've taken liberties with some third party applets. I hope those whose work I've messed about will forgive me, and we'll sort things out before the program is finished. Anyway this means there are things like the clipboard manger applet. I'm wary of spending much more time on applets at this stage. People often said about the RISC OS version that although it had all sorts of novel applets it lacked some fundamental features which made it useless for them. So I'm now turning to sorting out the serious stuff. However the applet work has let me fix lots of bugs. John Ferguson has redone all the main program 'templates' i.e. window designs and icons, buttons etc. and the ones for the fill and colour supplement applets. I've made some changes to the 'applet api' i.e. how an applet is structured. The changes are simple, and would be worth doing on RISC OS too. I guess I should extend the programmers notes on the above web page to include this new info. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat May 10 17:12:57 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1052582779:10:04971:59".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 10 May 2003 17:12:57 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1052582779:10:04971:59; Sat, 10 May 2003 16:06:19 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.31]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1005064; 10 May 2003 16:06 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19EWrB-0003Vp-00; Sat, 10 May 2003 17:05:53 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4AG4U425163 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 10 May 2003 17:04:30 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h4AG4Ta25160 for ; Sat, 10 May 2003 17:04:29 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19EWpp-000Jv0-0V for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 10 May 2003 17:04:29 +0100 Message-ID: <4DkWxKCwKSv+Ewez@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 17:02:56 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] DPSS, end of legal saga References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Hi, Today my legal representative informed me the dispute with C Image Novasoft over their trademark 'ImageMaster' had come to a conclusion. That's 14 months of legal wrangling... What have I learnt; (a) always check out names for being someone's trademark - easy now with both the UK and US patent office having free web based searches. (b) avoid lawyers at all costs -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat May 10 17:22:54 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1052583217:20:15894:61".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 10 May 2003 17:22:54 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1052583217:20:15894:61; Sat, 10 May 2003 16:13:37 GMT Received: from smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.32]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2107251; 10 May 2003 16:13 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19EWyF-0001vn-00; Sat, 10 May 2003 17:13:11 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4AGD6S26689 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 10 May 2003 17:13:06 +0100 Received: from mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (mta02-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.42]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h4AGD5M26685 for ; Sat, 10 May 2003 17:13:06 +0100 Received: from miranda.philipnet.com ([80.1.176.208]) by mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20030510161302.GPXG9882.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@miranda.philipnet.com> for ; Sat, 10 May 2003 17:13:02 +0100 Received: from philipnet.com (gromit.philipnet.com [192.168.1.33]) by miranda.philipnet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE3222D435 for ; Sat, 10 May 2003 17:12:47 +0100 (BST) Received: from philip by philipnet.com with local (RemoteNB 1.54) for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; 10 May 2003 17:12:46 +0100 Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 17:12:45 +0100 From: Philip Ludlam To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] DPSS, end of legal saga Message-ID: <32dd7bf04b.philip@philipnet.com> References: <4DkWxKCwKSv+Ewez@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4DkWxKCwKSv+Ewez@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (RemoteNB/1.54) (RISC-OS/4.33) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 10 May, in message <4DkWxKCwKSv+Ewez@pilling.demon.co.uk> David Pilling wrote: >Today my legal representative informed me the dispute with C Image >Novasoft over their trademark 'ImageMaster' had come to a conclusion. Yay! >That's 14 months of legal wrangling... > >What have I learnt; > >(a) always check out names for being someone's trademark - easy now with >both the UK and US patent office having free web based searches. > >(b) avoid lawyers at all costs You missed the smiliey $-) :-) Yours, Phil L. -- http://www.philipnet.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From tim@powys.org Tue May 13 19:10:24 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1052603238:20:05452:12".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 13 May 2003 19:10:24 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1052603238:20:05452:12; Sat, 10 May 2003 21:47:18 GMT Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.85]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2121411; 10 May 2003 21:47 GMT Received: from south-frm.demon.co.uk ([80.177.26.219] helo=greatest) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 19EcBL-0004nR-0Z for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 10 May 2003 22:47:05 +0100 Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 22:44:14 +0100 From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: opro@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: [softwarelist] DPSS, end of legal saga Message-ID: <03369af04b.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> References: <4DkWxKCwKSv+Ewez@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4DkWxKCwKSv+Ewez@pilling.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: tim@powys.org X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.70a (MsgServe/2.10) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 Return-Receipt-To: tim@powys.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In message <4DkWxKCwKSv+Ewez@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > Hi, > > Today my legal representative informed me the dispute with C Image > Novasoft over their trademark 'ImageMaster' had come to a conclusion. Disastrous? Or Victorious? Or an honest British compromise? -- Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue May 13 19:10:43 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1052684573:20:19506:104".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 13 May 2003 19:10:43 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1052684573:20:19506:104; Sun, 11 May 2003 20:22:53 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.30]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2109560; 11 May 2003 20:22 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19ExLE-00049G-00; Sun, 11 May 2003 21:22:40 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4BKLrf10281 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 11 May 2003 21:21:53 +0100 Received: from altrade.nijmegen.internl.net (altrade.nijmegen.internl.net [217.149.192.18]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h4BKLrd10277 for ; Sun, 11 May 2003 21:21:53 +0100 Received: from padua by altrade.nijmegen.internl.net via 1Cust225.tnt37.rtm1.nld.da.uu.net [213.116.168.225] with SMTP for id h4BKLnLt026421 (8.12.9/2.04); Sun, 11 May 2003 22:21:51 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <001801c317fb$549cfaf0$e1a874d5@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: "Ovation Pro" References: Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro for Windows new version Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 22:23:05 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On Friday, May 09, 2003 7:18 PM, David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > > I've uploaded the latest version of Ovation Pro for Windows see > > http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/opw.html > I have downloaded it. It looks so much better in 96 dpi / small fonts display than the previous versions! > A lot of work over the last month or so has been on applets. There are > now about 50 supplied. There's also an applet manager. Very impressive, nice, useful and user friendly. Arrow key, a and i (I haven't tried d /delete ...) work too. And all help available for active and inactive applets. Having Style Palette and Colour palette (and many others) available is very convenient. Those two can also be saved with default document, where ever I want them, ready to use at start-up. > I've taken liberties with some third party applets. I hope those whose > work I've messed about will forgive me, and we'll sort things out > before the program is finished. Anyway this means there are things > like the clipboard manger applet. This works well. Thanks. BTW: the global clipboard (for exchange with other windows applications) works well too. > I'm wary of spending much more time on applets at this stage. People > often said about the RISC OS version that although it had all sorts of > novel applets it lacked some fundamental features which made it > useless for them. So I'm now turning to sorting out the serious stuff. > > However the applet work has let me fix lots of bugs. I like the work you have done on the Applet Manager and the supplied Applets. > John Ferguson has redone all the main program 'templates' i.e. window > designs and icons, buttons etc. and the ones for the fill and colour > supplement applets. OP for windows looked awful at 96dpi in the previous versions. It now looks great! The buttons, alignment, arrows, 3D .... I am much impressed by this version. It is worth to download and install it for the next 6 weeks. BTW: I renamed the existing OvationPro folder to OvationPro_9-04 before I installed the new one via Control Panel-->Add new programs. After installation of the new version, I deleted the renamed folder. I know, this renaming is not needed. But, it also works OK this way. > I've made some changes to the 'applet api' i.e. how an applet is > structured. The changes are simple, and would be worth doing on RISC > OS too. I guess I should extend the programmers notes on the above > web page to include this new info. > Thanks for the continuing development. -- Mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From tim@powys.org Wed May 14 00:19:21 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1052867615:10:25574:14".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 14 May 2003 00:19:21 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1052867615:10:25574:14; Tue, 13 May 2003 23:13:35 GMT Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.85]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1024420; 13 May 2003 23:13 GMT Received: from south-frm.demon.co.uk ([80.177.26.219] helo=greatest) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 19Fix7-0005AT-0Z for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 14 May 2003 00:12:58 +0100 Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 00:12:50 +0100 From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: opro@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: [softwarelist] DPSS, end of legal saga Message-ID: References: <4DkWxKCwKSv+Ewez@pilling.demon.co.uk> <03369af04b.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Reply-To: tim@powys.org X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.70a (MsgServe/2.10) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 Return-Receipt-To: tim@powys.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In message you wrote: > >> Today my legal representative informed me the dispute with C Image > >> Novasoft over their trademark 'ImageMaster' had come to a conclusion. > >Disastrous? Or Victorious? Or an honest British compromise? > > No idea. I stopped using their name - which was quite right. They didn't > get any damages because I hadn't done them any harm (since they don't > sell RISC OS software). > > I never got close enough to them to find out what they really wanted. Sounds a bit like old Cap'n Bob Maxwell: sue first and ask questions afterwards. He kept several lawyers in business. Sorry to har you had to deal with it all and doubtless pay for your lawyer. -- Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed May 14 21:48:22 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1052945283:10:01915:41".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 14 May 2003 21:48:22 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1052945283:10:01915:41; Wed, 14 May 2003 20:48:03 GMT Received: from smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.32]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1114210; 14 May 2003 20:47 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19G36H-0003w8-00; Wed, 14 May 2003 21:43:45 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4EKgjF24413 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 14 May 2003 21:42:45 +0100 Received: from cmailm5.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailm5.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.21]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h4EKgiY24409 for ; Wed, 14 May 2003 21:42:45 +0100 Received: from user-1612.bbd15tcl.dsl.pol.co.uk ([81.77.182.76] helo=riscpc) by cmailm5.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.14) id 19G35I-0001lF-5q for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 14 May 2003 21:42:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Williams To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 21:41:00 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro for Windows (Fonts) Message-ID: <4bf2a3c412David@williams333.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.04b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Hi everyone I'm trying to reproduce a stylesheet on the PC version. The RiscOS version uses Homerton and Trinity and the nearest I can get is Arial and TimesNewRoman. Ideally I would like them both to be the same and I suspect that means changing the RiscOS fonts - any suggestions? Is it possible to map fonts? Dave Williams -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed May 14 21:57:31 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1052945806:10:18536:91".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 14 May 2003 21:57:31 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1052945806:10:18536:91; Wed, 14 May 2003 20:56:46 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.31]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id af1108830; 14 May 2003 20:56 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19G3F7-0005Ha-00; Wed, 14 May 2003 21:52:53 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4EKqn626934 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 14 May 2003 21:52:49 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h4EKqmf26931 for ; Wed, 14 May 2003 21:52:48 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19G3Ey-000LpM-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 14 May 2003 21:52:44 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 21:51:34 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro for Windows (Fonts) References: <4bf2a3c412David@williams333.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4bf2a3c412David@williams333.freeserve.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >I'm trying to reproduce a stylesheet on the PC version. The RiscOS version >uses Homerton and Trinity and the nearest I can get is Arial and >TimesNewRoman. >Ideally I would like them both to be the same and I suspect that means >changing the RiscOS fonts - any suggestions? Is it possible to map fonts? The next version will have font mapping - I'm working on it now. Save as DDL, load into an editor, change font names is one technique. Another one may be the fabled ability of RISC OS to alias font names. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed May 14 22:53:55 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1052949218:10:15354:112".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 14 May 2003 22:53:55 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1052949218:10:15354:112; Wed, 14 May 2003 21:53:38 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.31]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1101376; 14 May 2003 21:53 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19G44i-00047g-00; Wed, 14 May 2003 22:46:12 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4ELj0V08963 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 14 May 2003 22:45:00 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h4ELixr08950 for ; Wed, 14 May 2003 22:44:59 +0100 Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([158.152.204.98]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19G43U-0001QV-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 14 May 2003 22:44:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 22:10:33 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro for Windows (Fonts) Message-ID: <4bf2a678c4john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4bf2a3c412David@williams333.freeserve.co.uk> References: <4bf2a3c412David@williams333.freeserve.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03g (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 14 May, Dave Williams wrote: > Hi everyone > I'm trying to reproduce a stylesheet on the PC version. The RiscOS > version uses Homerton and Trinity and the nearest I can get is Arial and > TimesNewRoman. > Ideally I would like them both to be the same and I suspect that means > changing the RiscOS fonts - any suggestions? Is it possible to map fonts? Use Helvetica for a direct copy of Homerton rather than Arial. -- John Cartmell john@cartmell.demon.co.uk FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 Acorn Publisher magazine & FD Games www.acornpublisher.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed May 14 23:15:00 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1052950482:10:00176:49".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 14 May 2003 23:15:00 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1052950482:10:00176:49; Wed, 14 May 2003 22:14:42 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.30]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1104808; 14 May 2003 22:14 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19G4V9-0001WJ-00; Wed, 14 May 2003 23:13:31 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4EMD3R15001 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 14 May 2003 23:13:03 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h4EMD3t14995 for ; Wed, 14 May 2003 23:13:03 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19G4Ug-000C4x-0V for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 14 May 2003 23:13:02 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 23:11:25 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro for Windows (Fonts) References: <4bf2a3c412David@williams333.freeserve.co.uk> <4bf2a678c4john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4bf2a678c4john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >Use Helvetica for a direct copy of Homerton rather than Arial. Mrs. Demarteau kindly pointed out this to me http://www.iliveonyourvisits.com/helvetica/ originally quoted in the DTP newsletter from http://www.worsleypress.com The first URL points to another http://www.ms-studio.com/articlesarialsid.html which contains an interesting discussion of the differences between Arial and Helvetica, including the fact that the original name of Arial was 'grotesque' which will be enough said for some people... -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu May 15 13:20:50 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1052988662:10:28872:95".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 13:20:50 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1052988662:10:28872:95; Thu, 15 May 2003 08:51:02 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.30]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ad1100997; 15 May 2003 8:50 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19GEKR-00027m-00; Thu, 15 May 2003 09:43:07 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4F8gJi16186 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 15 May 2003 09:42:19 +0100 Received: from altrade.nijmegen.internl.net (altrade.nijmegen.internl.net [217.149.192.18]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h4F8gDQ16157 for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 09:42:19 +0100 Received: from padua by altrade.nijmegen.internl.net via 1Cust138.tnt41.rtm1.nld.da.uu.net [213.117.0.138] with SMTP for id h4F8gBWn025006 (8.12.9/2.04); Thu, 15 May 2003 10:42:12 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <002d01c31abe$41d8c6e0$d2a074d5@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: "Ovation Pro" Subject: [softwarelist] OP4Win: Draw Files, EPS and other pictures Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 10:43:47 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist This email is only important this week 14th May till 21st May and only for owners of Artworks! I don't have any commercial interest or connection with the content. The offer can be found on the website of XARA or in XARA news. There are few Windows programs, which can import (and edit) Draw Files. Even less, which can also export in Draw or another vector (like EPS) format, supported by e.g. Ovation Pro. One of these is XARA X. That is -speaking of OP-: Export from OP as Draw Import as Draw in XARA X Edit in XARA X Export as EPS+ bitmap preview (for PostScript output: printer or pdf) or another format (at current one of the bitmap formats, supported by OP) from XARA X Import in OP Of course, the DrawFile doesn't need to be part of an OP doc. Of course, XARA X offers much more! Why this contribution to the list now? For people with Artworks, XARA has a very nice offer only valid this week: >From 14th May till 21st May. XARA X for 34 $ (yes dollar not pound) as an upgrade to Artworks. Or the retail box version for 10 $ more. Carriage costs and VAT differ. No need to send them disc or CD. How to proceed: ---Quote--- from http://www.xara.com/products/xarax/buy.asp or http://www.xara.com/products/xarax/upgrade.asp "If you own ArtWorks, you should - create a Xara account (if you don't already have one) and then email xaraclub@xara.com telling us: who you bought ArtWorks from, when you bought it, what the serial number is and what your XaraClub username is. Then wait for further instructions. Note: Under no circumstance should you purchase an Upgrade Version." ---unquote--- You can create a Xara account at and get a XaraClub username here: https://secure.commerce.xara.com/registration/joinxaraclub.asp Since I consider this a very nice offer with importance for OP4Win, I have sent this info to the list. Tonnie who only signs her mail with 'Mrs', for she doesn't want to be addressed as 'Mister, he, his and him' due to her ambiguous name ... -- Mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu May 15 17:20:28 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1053013441:10:29213:142".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 17:20:28 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1053013441:10:29213:142; Thu, 15 May 2003 15:44:01 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.30]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id af1103766; 15 May 2003 15:43 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19GKgI-00012u-00; Thu, 15 May 2003 16:30:06 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4FFSOB30693 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 15 May 2003 16:28:24 +0100 Received: from moomin.torch.net ([212.50.161.83]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h4FFSMP30669 for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 16:28:24 +0100 Received: (qmail 86276 invoked from network); 15 May 2003 15:09:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO SONYLAPTOP) ([213.249.153.129]) (envelope-sender ) by 212.50.161.83 (qmail-1.03) with SMTP for ; 15 May 2003 15:09:23 -0000 From: "Ian" To: Subject: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 16:27:47 +0100 Message-ID: <003e01c31af6$99fe9060$0110100a@SONYLAPTOP> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <002d01c31abe$41d8c6e0$d2a074d5@padua> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Hi Does anyone have any experience of preparing files as PDFs for printers from Ovation Pro, they need it in CMYK format. I have Ovation Pro, I have converted the images in the DTP packs CMYK converter from Cerillica. I have set each graphic to be CMYK colour space within Ovation. Then printed from Postscript Level 1 printer driver to file Then converted on PC to pdf with Jaws PDF converter press settings. The images come out considerably different however to if I have done it as RGB images, and then printed on poscript driver and converted and then printed on my CMYK laser printer. Does anyone have any suggestions. Is this producing a decent CMYK PDF with this process. Is there anything else I shoud do? I used to use Impression Publisher and print seperations to disk using postscript driver and get film made at a local bureau but now the printers all want it on disk so they can lay it out and put it through their systems ( and make more money!!) Thanks Ian _ _ _ _ |_|_|_|_| Post: Concorde House, Trinity Park, Solihull B37 7UQ |_|_|_|_| Phone: 0121 635 5020 |_|_|_|_| Email: ian@realpoint.co.uk |_|_|_|_| Web: http://www.realpoint.co.uk Real Point -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu May 15 19:40:04 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1053023574:20:01220:3232".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 19:40:04 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1053023574:20:01220:3232; Thu, 15 May 2003 18:32:54 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.31]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ad2003372; 15 May 2003 17:59 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19GMon-0004al-00; Thu, 15 May 2003 18:47:01 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4FHk4r08574 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 15 May 2003 18:46:04 +0100 Received: from mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (mta07-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.47]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h4FHk4I08570 for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 18:46:04 +0100 Received: from gwen ([80.5.187.132]) by mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20030515174604.HJKV25105.mta07-svc.ntlworld.com@gwen> for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 18:46:04 +0100 From: "Nick Kaijaks" To: Subject: RE: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 18:46:06 +0100 Message-ID: <000301c31b09$dc718a70$3300a8c0@gwen> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <003e01c31af6$99fe9060$0110100a@SONYLAPTOP> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist > Does anyone have any experience of preparing files as PDFs > for printers from Ovation Pro, they need it in CMYK format. > > I have Ovation Pro, I have converted the images in the DTP > packs CMYK converter from Cerillica. > > I have set each graphic to be CMYK colour space within Ovation. > > Then printed from Postscript Level 1 printer driver to file I seem to recall that putting *composite* images throught the RISC OS printer drivers *always* converts them to RGB. To avoid that, there are three alternatives I can think of: 1. Use DP's scanning program (does it have a name again?) to export EPS files (that should load your TrueSep CMYK files OK), and use them instead of the native sprites in Opro. Then the CMYK EPS will get passed straight through the driver without conversion. 2. Print as separations (may be worth asking if your printer's prepress solution can recombine seps to give a composite CMYK) 3. See if you can get hold of the PS prolog file that Simon B of Cerilica has hacked for Vantage. There's a lot to be said for filmsetting... :-/ Best, Nick -- Dr Nick Kaijaks, Pinxit Design - Information Design for Internet and print http://www.kaijaks.co.uk/ mailto:nick@kaijaks.co.uk Disclaimer: caveat internettor -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu May 15 20:50:10 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1053027874:20:19796:2307".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 20:50:10 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1053027874:20:19796:2307; Thu, 15 May 2003 19:44:34 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.30]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id af2022938; 15 May 2003 19:35 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19GOR2-0003HE-00; Thu, 15 May 2003 20:30:36 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4FJUYS03886 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 15 May 2003 20:30:34 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h4FJUYV03881 for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 20:30:34 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 19GOR0-0005Ip-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 15 May 2003 20:30:34 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 20:29:13 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro References: <002d01c31abe$41d8c6e0$d2a074d5@padua> <003e01c31af6$99fe9060$0110100a@SONYLAPTOP> In-Reply-To: <003e01c31af6$99fe9060$0110100a@SONYLAPTOP> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >From: Acorn Publisher magazine On 15 May, Ian wrote: > Hi Does anyone have any experience of preparing files as PDFs for > printers from Ovation Pro, they need it in CMYK format. [Snip] What you've suggested is similar to what we do with Acorn Publisher. Check a recent copy (volume 9) of AP and see if that's good enough! Feel free to contact me direct for any odd details - there are problems ;-( -- John Cartmell editor@acornpublisher.com FAX +44 (0)8700519527 Acorn Publisher magazine http://www.acornpublisher.com a magazine for computer graphics, dtp & web design the magazine for all RISC OS users -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu May 15 21:00:24 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1053028518:10:29803:84".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 21:00:24 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1053028518:10:29803:84; Thu, 15 May 2003 19:55:18 GMT Received: from smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.32]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ae1000173; 15 May 2003 19:54 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19GOQR-0007SP-00; Thu, 15 May 2003 20:29:59 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4FJTFv03480 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 15 May 2003 20:29:15 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h4FJTEZ03477 for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 20:29:14 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 19GOPi-0004hj-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 15 May 2003 20:29:14 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 20:27:47 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro References: <003e01c31af6$99fe9060$0110100a@SONYLAPTOP> <000301c31b09$dc718a70$3300a8c0@gwen> In-Reply-To: <000301c31b09$dc718a70$3300a8c0@gwen> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >I seem to recall that putting *composite* images throught the RISC OS >printer drivers *always* converts them to RGB. To avoid that, there are >three alternatives I can think of: My recollection is that CMYK sprites are output direct to PostScript - avoiding a conversion to RGB. Looking at the PS should allow you to check this. You need CMYK sprites, and if there is any processing enabled, it should be in CMYK space. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu May 15 22:00:22 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1053032400:10:13634:63".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 22:00:22 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1053032400:10:13634:63; Thu, 15 May 2003 21:00:00 GMT Received: from smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.32]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1013578; 15 May 2003 20:59 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19GPom-0001Xl-00; Thu, 15 May 2003 21:59:12 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4FKwLh31319 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 15 May 2003 21:58:21 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h4FKwKl31310 for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 21:58:21 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19GPnw-000Ixx-0X for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 15 May 2003 21:58:20 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 21:56:39 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro References: <003e01c31af6$99fe9060$0110100a@SONYLAPTOP> <000301c31b09$dc718a70$3300a8c0@gwen> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >My recollection is that CMYK sprites are output direct to PostScript - >avoiding a conversion to RGB. Looking at the PS should allow you to >check this. Um if the EPS applet is present -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu May 15 22:10:30 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1053032523:10:17458:82".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 22:10:30 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1053032523:10:17458:82; Thu, 15 May 2003 21:02:03 GMT Received: from smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.32]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1017662; 15 May 2003 21:01 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19GPqg-0002AQ-00; Thu, 15 May 2003 22:01:10 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4FL18R32460 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 15 May 2003 22:01:08 +0100 Received: from server0027.freedom2surf.net (server0011.freedom2surf.net [194.106.56.14]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h4FL17E32456 for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 22:01:07 +0100 Received: from wallace ([195.137.110.177]) by server0027.freedom2surf.net (8.12.6/8.12.6/Debian-7) with ESMTP id h4FL12i7030523 for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 21:01:07 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Brian Carroll To: "Ovation Pro" Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 21:31:14 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OP4Win: Draw Files, EPS and other pictures Message-ID: <4bf326b50bbric@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <002d01c31abe$41d8c6e0$d2a074d5@padua> References: <002d01c31abe$41d8c6e0$d2a074d5@padua> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03g (RISC-OS/4.33) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article <002d01c31abe$41d8c6e0$d2a074d5@padua>, Tonnie Demarteau wrote: > This email is only important this week 14th May till 21st May > and only for owners of Artworks! > I don't have any commercial interest or connection with the > content. The offer can be found on the website of XARA or in > XARA news. [Snip] This seems a remarkable offer. Thank you for bring it to our attention, Tonnie. Brian. -- ______________________________________________________________ Brian Carroll, Ripon, North Yorkshire, UK bric@argonet.co.uk ______________________________________________________________ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue May 20 20:24:01 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1053194574:20:08975:39".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 20 May 2003 20:24:01 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1053194574:20:08975:39; Sat, 17 May 2003 18:02:54 GMT Received: from smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.32]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2115662; 17 May 2003 18:01 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19H5zq-0006XX-00; Sat, 17 May 2003 19:01:26 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4HI0r630273 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 17 May 2003 19:00:53 +0100 Received: from zephir.uk.clara.net (zephir.uk.clara.net [195.8.69.53]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h4HI0ql30259 for ; Sat, 17 May 2003 19:00:52 +0100 Received: from du-069-0865.access.clara.net ([217.158.170.102] helo=clara.net) by zephir.uk.clara.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19H5zG-0002BM-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 17 May 2003 19:00:51 +0100 Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 17:52:02 GMT From: charles To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] !DPlngScan Message-ID: <07ce1ff44b.charles@clara.co.uk> References: <000301c31b09$dc718a70$3300a8c0@gwen> In-Reply-To: <000301c31b09$dc718a70$3300a8c0@gwen> X-Organization: home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (MsgServe/2.02) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist When I drop a 286,116 bytes total jpeg into DPlngScan 1.18 it only displays the left half of the picture; I have maximisewd the amount of memory allocated in choices to 67584k of RAM. When I drop the same file into OPro it renders fine. Any suggestions, please? Charles -- RiscOS4 OvationPro ROUGOL ProCAD+ http://www.zynet.co.uk/dsnell tel 020 8949 0708 - Mob 079 5620 0176 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue May 20 20:24:10 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1053206376:20:17941:51".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 20 May 2003 20:24:10 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1053206376:20:17941:51; Sat, 17 May 2003 21:19:36 GMT Received: from smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.32]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2016891; 17 May 2003 21:18 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19H94H-0004BZ-00; Sat, 17 May 2003 22:18:13 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4HLHSU12556 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 17 May 2003 22:17:28 +0100 Received: from zephir.uk.clara.net (zephir.uk.clara.net [195.8.69.53]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h4HLHSS12548 for ; Sat, 17 May 2003 22:17:28 +0100 Received: from du-069-0900.access.clara.net ([217.158.170.137] helo=clara.net) by zephir.uk.clara.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19H93V-0001ME-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 17 May 2003 22:17:25 +0100 Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 20:12:13 GMT From: charles To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] !DPlngScan Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (MsgServe/2.02) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message you wrote: > In on Sat 17 May, charles wrote: > > When I drop a 286,116 bytes total jpeg into DPlngScan 1.18 it > > only displays the left half of the picture; > > > > I have maximisewd the amount > > of memory allocated in choices to 67584k of RAM. > > > > When I drop the same file into OPro it renders fine. > > > > Any suggestions, please? > > > > Charles > > Is your page size setting large enough to display the whole image? Thanks, Stephen. I changed the page from portrait to landscape and that shows much more. > > Try moving the image. Does this reveal more? It wasn't. But with the different page is now showing more. > > Try increasing the dpi settings (from 90, probably). This will reduce the > displayed size of the image, but reveal more of it. Couldn't see how to do this in Choices. Where should I change this setting, please? Charles -- RiscOS4 OvationPro ROUGOL ProCAD+ http://www.zynet.co.uk/dsnell tel 020 8949 0708 - Mob 079 5620 0176 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue May 20 20:24:21 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1053240893:21:18653:58".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 20 May 2003 20:24:21 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1053240893:21:18653:58; Sun, 18 May 2003 06:54:53 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.31]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2002705; 18 May 2003 6:54 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19HI3o-0000Pp-00; Sun, 18 May 2003 07:54:20 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4I6rAB22882 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 18 May 2003 07:53:10 +0100 Received: from zephir.uk.clara.net (zephir.uk.clara.net [195.8.69.53]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h4I6r9l22877 for ; Sun, 18 May 2003 07:53:09 +0100 Received: from du-069-0411.access.clara.net ([217.158.145.157] helo=clara.net) by zephir.uk.clara.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19HI2e-000OFC-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 18 May 2003 07:53:08 +0100 Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 06:50:01 GMT From: charles To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] !DPlngScan - thanks Message-ID: References: <07ce1ff44b.charles@clara.co.uk> <4bf433584cJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4bf433584cJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (MsgServe/2.02) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Thanks, Stephen and Jeremy, Your responses have removed the problem and helped my comprehension of the manual. Charles -- RiscOS4 OvationPro ROUGOL ProCAD+ http://www.zynet.co.uk/dsnell tel 020 8949 0708 - Mob 079 5620 0176 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue May 20 20:24:24 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1053266420:20:02641:49".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 20 May 2003 20:24:24 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1053266420:20:02641:49; Sun, 18 May 2003 14:00:20 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.30]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2002486; 18 May 2003 13:59 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19HOhc-0000Zs-00; Sun, 18 May 2003 14:59:52 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4IDxMG05529 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 18 May 2003 14:59:22 +0100 Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h4IDxK105525 for ; Sun, 18 May 2003 14:59:21 +0100 Received: from [62.188.146.163] (helo=hal) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 19HOh2-0004ZT-9S for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 18 May 2003 14:59:16 +0100 Message-ID: <000201c31d45$fac3f100$a392bc3e@hal> From: "Christopher Bryant" To: References: <003e01c31af6$99fe9060$0110100a@SONYLAPTOP> <000301c31b09$dc718a70$3300a8c0@gwen> Subject: [softwarelist] Re: O Pro CMYK Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 18:31:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist [earlier stuff snipped] The question really is whether postscript has the resources to deal with CMYK. If it has, the printer rgb output could easily be hacked. Does anyone more up to date know? My elderly (1986!) postscript manual only offers the operators and . Christopher Bryant -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue May 20 20:24:28 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1053275017:21:11925:45".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 20 May 2003 20:24:28 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1053275017:21:11925:45; Sun, 18 May 2003 16:23:37 GMT Received: from smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.32]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2022784; 18 May 2003 16:23 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19HQwH-0001pn-00; Sun, 18 May 2003 17:23:09 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4IGMPo07553 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 18 May 2003 17:22:25 +0100 Received: from blueyonder.co.uk (pcow053o.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.53.96]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h4IGMPa07546 for ; Sun, 18 May 2003 17:22:25 +0100 Received: from RPC ([213.48.248.26]) by blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Sun, 18 May 2003 17:25:25 +0100 Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 17:19:52 +0100 From: Bruce Goatly To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] !DPlngScan Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <979093f44b.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Perfect Page X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b User-Agent: POPstar/2.05 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message <979093f44b.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: > On the otherhand if you scale an image within DPS to fit some paper, > definition is lost which shows in the printing. The answer is to > increase the sampling by the required scaling factor first, then do the > scaling. But Draw is better at doing this, as DPS takes ages to re-do > sampling on big files. I think this is where the confusion lies - you don't want to resample the graphic, merely resize it. And the way you do this (without losing any information) is to change the 'dpi' values in the toolbox, usually floating below the main window. (As, indeed, others have already said, but I'm just emphasizing the point.) Bruce -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue May 20 20:24:37 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1053293372:20:08888:42".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 20 May 2003 20:24:37 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1053293372:20:08888:42; Sun, 18 May 2003 21:29:32 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.31]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2008282; 18 May 2003 21:28 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19HVhp-0008QA-00; Sun, 18 May 2003 22:28:33 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4ILRc018409 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 18 May 2003 22:27:38 +0100 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.185]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h4ILRb718403 for ; Sun, 18 May 2003 22:27:37 +0100 Received: from [212.227.126.162] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19HVgv-0004Ei-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 18 May 2003 23:27:37 +0200 Received: from [213.6.73.240] (helo=goedel) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19HVgu-00013l-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 18 May 2003 23:27:36 +0200 Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 23:14:06 +0200 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: O Pro CMYK Message-ID: References: <000201c31d45$fac3f100$a392bc3e@hal> In-Reply-To: <000201c31d45$fac3f100$a392bc3e@hal> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (MsgServe/2.02) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.04-pre2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message <000201c31d45$fac3f100$a392bc3e@hal> "Christopher Bryant" wrote: > [earlier stuff snipped] > > The question really is whether postscript has the resources to deal > with CMYK. If it has, the printer rgb output could easily be hacked. > Does anyone more up to date know? My elderly (1986!) postscript manual > only offers the operators and . PostScript has absolutely no problem dealing with CMYK (and even more than that depending on which level of PS we are talking of). The setcmykcolor operator is present in some level 1 implementations and a mandatory part of PS level 2. There is no point in hacking the printer rgb output, at least not if you meant post-processing the rgb PS output that has been generated - the important information is already lost at this stage. As David wrote, CMYK sprites printed from OPro (or from Impression, for that matter) end up as CMYK in the PostScript stream, so this is no problem. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue May 20 20:24:42 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1053301611:20:17905:41".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 20 May 2003 20:24:42 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1053301611:20:17905:41; Sun, 18 May 2003 23:46:51 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.31]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2114255; 18 May 2003 23:46 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19HXrC-0000vm-00; Mon, 19 May 2003 00:46:22 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4INji104756 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 19 May 2003 00:45:44 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h4INji704751 for ; Mon, 19 May 2003 00:45:44 +0100 Received: from south-frm.demon.co.uk ([80.177.26.219] helo=greatest) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 19HXqZ-0005G6-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 19 May 2003 00:45:43 +0100 Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 00:44:28 +0100 From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] !DPlngScan Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.70a (MsgServe/2.10) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message Bruce Goatly wrote: > In message <979093f44b.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> > Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: > > > On the otherhand if you scale an image within DPS to fit some paper, > > definition is lost which shows in the printing. The answer is to > > increase the sampling by the required scaling factor first, then do the > > scaling. But Draw is better at doing this, as DPS takes ages to re-do > > sampling on big files. > > I think this is where the confusion lies - you don't want to resample the > graphic, merely resize it. And the way you do this (without losing any > information) is to change the 'dpi' values in the toolbox, usually floating > below the main window. (As, indeed, others have already said, but I'm just > emphasizing the point.) Agreed, thanks. But when I tried it earlier, it did nothing. Dunno why not. -- Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue May 20 20:24:55 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1053336604:20:27375:68".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 20 May 2003 20:24:55 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1053336604:20:27375:68; Mon, 19 May 2003 09:30:04 GMT Received: from smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.32]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ac2028164; 19 May 2003 9:29 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19Hguy-0002L3-00; Mon, 19 May 2003 10:26:52 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4J9Pc201059 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 19 May 2003 10:25:38 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h4J9Pbt01054 for ; Mon, 19 May 2003 10:25:37 +0100 Received: from ypical.demon.co.uk ([158.152.78.65]) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 19HgtO-0000Xl-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 19 May 2003 10:25:15 +0100 Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 10:22:02 +0100 From: Fred Bambrough To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] clib Message-ID: References: <4313e8f44b.pprewett@chariot.net.au> In-Reply-To: <4313e8f44b.pprewett@chariot.net.au> X-Organization: @ypical User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (MsgServe/2.02) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message <4313e8f44b.pprewett@chariot.net.au> Peter Prewett wrote: > When trying to load TransiIMP before Ovation an error message 'CLIB is > out of date' if I load Ovation first and then quit and reload it is OK. > > I have the latest version of CLIB 5.45. > > What have I done wrong:-( At a guess you've installed the 32 bit CLib into your original copy of !System rather than upgrade !System itself. That's an OK way of doing it except that CLib 5.45 won't be installed until a program requiring it loads it. OP loads it whereas TransIMP doesn't. Castle's version of !System runs 32bit versions of CLIB, FPEmulator, CallASWI at boot time. So you have a choice. Update your !System or change TransIMP's run file to run the new CLIB. -- Fred -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue May 20 20:24:57 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1053357925:20:20744:212".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 20 May 2003 20:24:57 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1053357925:20:20744:212; Mon, 19 May 2003 15:25:25 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.30]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id af2025909; 19 May 2003 15:23 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19HmEZ-0007mZ-00; Mon, 19 May 2003 16:07:27 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4JF6fk29142 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 19 May 2003 16:06:41 +0100 Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h4JF6bn29115 for ; Mon, 19 May 2003 16:06:40 +0100 Received: from [62.188.120.89] (helo=hal) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 19HmDb-0000eg-ET for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 19 May 2003 16:06:27 +0100 Message-ID: <000f01c31e18$89a13e00$5978bc3e@hal> From: "Christopher Bryant" To: References: <000201c31d45$fac3f100$a392bc3e@hal> Subject: [softwarelist] Re: O Pro CMYK Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 11:34:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist > Martin W wrote > PostScript has absolutely no problem dealing with CMYK... > The setcmykcolor operator is ... a mandatory part of PS level 2. Could you be kind enough to supply the syntax for this operator, please? (Arguments and their ranges?) > There is no point in hacking the printer rgb output, at least not if you > meant post-processing the rgb PS output that has been generated - the > important information is already lost at this stage. I'm sure you are right, though I don't know enough about it to know what gets lost, but can't the prior information one can glean from the definitions in CMYK windows while editing colours in OPro be put to later use? Christopher Bryant -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue May 20 20:24:59 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1053364950:21:10983:99".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 20 May 2003 20:24:59 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1053364950:21:10983:99; Mon, 19 May 2003 17:22:30 GMT Received: from smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.32]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ad2021844; 19 May 2003 17:21 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19Ho0E-00075B-00; Mon, 19 May 2003 18:00:46 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4JGxha03214 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 19 May 2003 17:59:43 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h4JGxgI03209 for ; Mon, 19 May 2003 17:59:42 +0100 Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 19HnzB-0003Aq-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 19 May 2003 17:59:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 17:45:11 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] clib Message-ID: <4bf5215b04Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4313e8f44b.pprewett@chariot.net.au> References: <4313e8f44b.pprewett@chariot.net.au> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article <4313e8f44b.pprewett@chariot.net.au>, Peter Prewett wrote: > When trying to load TransiIMP before Ovation an error message 'CLIB is > out of date' if I load Ovation first and then quit and reload it is OK. > I have the latest version of CLIB 5.45. > What have I done wrong:-( Presumably you are not loading CLib at boot time, but one of these applications is loading it if it needs it. So depending on which one you run first the Clib may or may not have been softloaded by then? Possibly both apps are softloading a version of Clib? It should be loaded from System:Modules so that whoever loads it the same version is found; maybe one of your apps is loading an oldr copy from somewhere else? -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue May 20 20:25:10 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1053417867:20:22614:47".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 20 May 2003 20:25:10 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1053417867:20:22614:47; Tue, 20 May 2003 08:04:27 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.30]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2022435; 20 May 2003 8:03 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19I25M-0003tX-00; Tue, 20 May 2003 09:03:00 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4K81xu11485 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 20 May 2003 09:01:59 +0100 Received: from mail.chariot.net.au (mail.chariot.net.au [203.87.95.38]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h4K81vD11475 for ; Tue, 20 May 2003 09:01:58 +0100 Received: from localhost (ppp-171.cust203-87-116.ghr.chariot.net.au [203.87.116.171]) by mail.chariot.net.au (Postfix) with SMTP id E327C180936 for ; Tue, 20 May 2003 17:31:57 +0930 (CST) Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 11:41:51 +1030 From: Peter Prewett To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] clib Message-ID: <53be4ff54b.pprewett@chariot.net.au> References: <4313e8f44b.pprewett@chariot.net.au> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (MsgServe/2.02) (RISC-OS/4.33) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message you wrote: > In message <4313e8f44b.pprewett@chariot.net.au> > Peter Prewett wrote: > > > When trying to load TransiIMP before Ovation an error message 'CLIB is > > out of date' if I load Ovation first and then quit and reload it is OK. > > > > I have the latest version of CLIB 5.45. > > > > What have I done wrong:-( > > At a guess you've installed the 32 bit CLib into your original copy of > !System rather than upgrade !System itself. That's an OK way of doing it > except that CLib 5.45 won't be installed until a program requiring it > loads it. OP loads it whereas TransIMP doesn't. > > Castle's version of !System runs 32bit versions of CLIB, FPEmulator, > CallASWI at boot time. > > So you have a choice. Update your !System or change TransIMP's run file to > run the new CLIB. > Thanks for the info. Now life is getting complicated, this is now getting past the point when a straight user (non techie) can understand and beyond them to sort the problem out even if they knew the answer above, or had access to the internet. Or is just me reading to much into it:-( If not then we then surely need a definitive version of System that has all these problems sorted out instead of bits here and their. I believe my System has lots modules that are not needed, left over or just out of date. I recently did a clean update on my second computer of Select (the reasons are another saga) starting at the !Boot file, supplied on Select 2 for OS 4.02, then installing Select on that System looks a lot different than mine. And that is why I had the problem above. Wonder what else needs adjustment!! I hope that Select 3 will have an up to date System. Cheers Peter -- Peter Prewett, Coromandel Valley, South Australia -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue May 20 20:25:20 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1053196290:10:12493:58".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 20 May 2003 20:25:20 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1053196290:10:12493:58; Sat, 17 May 2003 18:31:30 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.30]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1011110; 17 May 2003 18:30 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19H6RY-0000rH-00; Sat, 17 May 2003 19:30:04 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4HITdq04337 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 17 May 2003 19:29:39 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h4HITd304333 for ; Sat, 17 May 2003 19:29:39 +0100 Received: from spcap.demon.co.uk ([62.49.28.232] helo=riscpc.local.net) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19H6R7-000HSu-0W for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 17 May 2003 19:29:37 +0100 Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 19:29:18 +0100 (BST) From: Stephen Parkin Subject: Re: [softwarelist] !DPlngScan To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net In-Reply-To: <07ce1ff44b.charles@clara.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Home X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In on Sat 17 May, charles wrote: > When I drop a 286,116 bytes total jpeg into DPlngScan 1.18 it > only displays the left half of the picture; > > I have maximisewd the amount > of memory allocated in choices to 67584k of RAM. > > When I drop the same file into OPro it renders fine. > > Any suggestions, please? > > Charles Is your page size setting large enough to display the whole image? Try moving the image. Does this reveal more? Try increasing the dpi settings (from 90, probably). This will reduce the displayed size of the image, but reveal more of it. Stephen -- Stephen Parkin -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue May 20 20:25:21 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1053209137:10:20309:68".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 20 May 2003 20:25:21 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1053209137:10:20309:68; Sat, 17 May 2003 22:05:37 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.31]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1129779; 17 May 2003 22:04 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19H9nK-0006kv-00; Sat, 17 May 2003 23:04:46 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4HM4eh21848 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 17 May 2003 23:04:40 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h4HM4eo21842 for ; Sat, 17 May 2003 23:04:40 +0100 Received: from spcap.demon.co.uk ([62.49.28.232] helo=riscpc.local.net) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19H9nD-000CHZ-0W for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 17 May 2003 23:04:39 +0100 Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 23:03:29 +0100 (BST) From: Stephen Parkin Subject: Re: [softwarelist] !DPlngScan To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Home X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In on Sat 17 May, charles wrote: > In message you wrote: > > > In on Sat 17 May, charles wrote: > > > When I drop a 286,116 bytes total jpeg into DPlngScan 1.18 it > > > only displays the left half of the picture; > > > > > > I have maximisewd the amount > > > of memory allocated in choices to 67584k of RAM. > > > > > > When I drop the same file into OPro it renders fine. > > > > > > Any suggestions, please? > > > > > > Charles > > > > Is your page size setting large enough to display the whole image? > > Thanks, Stephen. > > I changed the page from portrait to landscape and that shows much more. > > > > Try moving the image. Does this reveal more? > > It wasn't. But with the different page is now showing more. > > > > Try increasing the dpi settings (from 90, probably). This will reduce the > > displayed size of the image, but reveal more of it. > > Couldn't see how to do this in Choices. Where should I change this > setting, please? The simplest way is via the toolbar attached to the main image window. There are two boxes labelled dpi, directly above the 'Undo' button. These represent the X axis (width) and Y axis (height) resolutions. Just delete the numbers (usual default is 90) and type another, eg 200 and press return. If resaved, the new resolution will be saved within the image. However, it is probably best not to do this, as further operations on JPEGs can degrade the image. If you want to change the default setting, the option to do so is available in choices from the icon bar. Open the config window and click on 'Page'. Here you can set your default page size, display units, and X & Y resolutions. Click 'OK' and 'Save'. Stephen -- Stephen Parkin -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue May 20 20:25:22 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1053209621:10:04092:49".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 20 May 2003 20:25:22 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1053209621:10:04092:49; Sat, 17 May 2003 22:13:41 GMT Received: from smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.32]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1004175; 17 May 2003 22:13 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19H9vj-0002zD-00; Sat, 17 May 2003 23:13:27 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4HMDOC23335 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 17 May 2003 23:13:24 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h4HMDNV23330 for ; Sat, 17 May 2003 23:13:23 +0100 Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19H9ve-000DWX-0W for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 17 May 2003 23:13:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 22:25:28 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] !DPlngScan Message-ID: <4bf433584cJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <07ce1ff44b.charles@clara.co.uk> References: <000301c31b09$dc718a70$3300a8c0@gwen> <07ce1ff44b.charles@clara.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article <07ce1ff44b.charles@clara.co.uk>, charles wrote: > When I drop a 286,116 bytes total jpeg into DPlngScan 1.18 it > only displays the left half of the picture; The jpeg will have been scanned at so-many dpi, say 90. If it "measures" 1800 pixels across that means it is equivalent to 20 inches across. If the default screen page size is, eg A4 portrait, the program will only show 8 inches or so of width of picture. You could change the screen size to portrait, or something rather bigger than A4. Or you could tell the program to fit more than 90 dpi into each horizontal inch of the screen. I think that option is buried somewhere on the iconbar choices/options stuff - you'll probably need to read the manual first. -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsub