From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Apr 2 14:08:50 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1049265561:20:28045:64".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 14:08:50 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1049265561:20:28045:64; Wed, 02 Apr 2003 06:39:21 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2028241; 2 Apr 2003 6:38 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 190bso-0007Fc-00; Wed, 02 Apr 2003 07:38:02 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h326arR08998 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 07:36:53 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h326apW08995 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 07:36:52 +0100 Received: from worthy.demon.co.uk ([62.49.21.99] helo=worthy) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 190brf-0000uO-0d for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 02 Apr 2003 07:36:51 +0100 Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 07:36:05 +0100 From: Tim Howarth To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP Windows version only runs for Admininstrators Message-ID: <6c4db5dc4b.tim@worthy.demon.co.uk> References: <7395b6db4b.jms@ntlworld.com> <4bdbf71768steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (MsgServe/2.02) (RISC-OS/4.29) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message David Pilling wrote: > HKey_Local_Machine\Software\DavidPilling\OvationPro > > using RegEdit. > > 'full control' rights. For Info: With Windows older than XP it needs Regedt32 to set permissions on reg keys. (IIRC with XP running Regedit actually launches RegEdt32.) -- ___ |im ---- ARM Powered ---- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Apr 2 14:08:52 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1049272240:20:25478:359".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 14:08:52 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1049272240:20:25478:359; Wed, 02 Apr 2003 08:30:40 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2009497; 2 Apr 2003 8:26 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 190dYc-000726-00; Wed, 02 Apr 2003 09:25:18 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h328Neu28704 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 09:23:40 +0100 Received: from mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (mta05-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.45]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h328Ncg28695 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 09:23:39 +0100 Received: from Rpc ([80.7.2.123]) by mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20030402082337.LPZR310.mta05-svc.ntlworld.com@Rpc> for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 09:23:37 +0100 Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 09:23:18 +0100 From: John Sandford To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP Windows version only runs for Admininstrators Message-ID: <5f1ebfdc4b.jms@ntlworld.com> References: <7395b6db4b.jms@ntlworld.com> <4bdbf71768steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (MsgServe/2.02) (RISC-OS/4.33) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message David Pilling wrote: > >The file name,directory name or volume syntax is incorrect. > >(fileFirstFile)(123) > >(\*.*) > > > > You all keep miss quoting that error which makes me nervous. What is > going on is that OP can't find the registry value. > > HKey_Local_Machine\Software\DavidPilling\OvationPro\Applets I double checked this and although the registry key is.. the error reported is (\*.*) > Seems kind of obvious the program is installed by user A, it is then > only visible for user A. If you log on as user B you see a different set > of registry values... here (WIN2000 pro) if user A installs any other user with administrator rights can use the program but no other user of lesser rights can. > (but for this key? I may have second thoughts). changing the permissions on the registry key to allow powerusers and users full control lets any user run the program now. > There is no intention of a limitation on the current version. This is an > interesting point though, could well be that the current situation is > not desirable. > most programs I have installed here are accessible to all users and each has its own local user settings some require a look at the original install CD when first run by a different user most don't. -- John Sandford West Herts UK Hemel Hempstead Risc OS User Group www.hhrug.org.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Apr 2 17:39:30 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1049301540:10:11777:64".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 17:39:30 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1049301540:10:11777:64; Wed, 02 Apr 2003 16:39:00 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id af1011403; 2 Apr 2003 16:38 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 190lBV-0004BX-00; Wed, 02 Apr 2003 17:33:57 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h32GWop14995 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 17:32:50 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h32GWos14990 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 17:32:50 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 190lAP-000FCG-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 02 Apr 2003 17:32:50 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 17:31:10 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP Windows version only runs for Admininstrators References: <7395b6db4b.jms@ntlworld.com> <4bdbf71768steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> <5f1ebfdc4b.jms@ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: <5f1ebfdc4b.jms@ntlworld.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >most programs I have installed here are accessible to all users and each >has its own local user settings some require a look at the original >install CD when first run by a different user most don't. Anyway, it was a bug, a mistake on my part, and I'm happy to have been able to fix it. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Apr 2 23:19:46 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1049321818:20:01286:58".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 23:19:46 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1049321818:20:01286:58; Wed, 02 Apr 2003 22:16:58 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2102282; 2 Apr 2003 22:16 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 190qWa-00077H-00; Wed, 02 Apr 2003 23:16:04 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h32MFFZ27043 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 23:15:15 +0100 Received: from tungsten.btinternet.com (tungsten.btinternet.com [194.73.73.81]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h32MFBQ26996 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 23:15:11 +0100 Received: from [81.131.176.111] (helo=btopenworld.com) by tungsten.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #23) id 190qVh-0002HG-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 02 Apr 2003 23:15:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Owl-Art Un-Ltd." To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 23:11:44 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP - Windows version Message-ID: <4bdd0af6baowlart@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article , David Pilling wrote: > Font's are an issue. Some people have conversions of all the standard > Acorn fonts to Windows. That makes using Acorn documents on Windows > very easy. Does anyone here have the PC versions of Trinity, Homerton & Corpus? I know they're effectively Times, Arial & Courier, but they're not exact matches. Personally, I prefer the Acorn variants :-) I've downloaded the PC version of OvnPro and it renders my latest 23Mb file okay, but without the PC versions of the Acorn fonts, I'd have to go through it and change all the font information :-( Andrew -- http://www.owlart.co.uk/ +----------------------------------------+---------------------------------+ | Owl-Art Un-Ltd. Design and Print Work | email: Sales@owlart.co.uk | | Coming to you on an Acorn RiscPC SA110 | Snail: 58 Newland Road, | | | Worthing, | | Business Cards, Invites, Newsletters, | West Sussex. | | Booklets, Programmes, Original Artwork | BN11 1JX. U.K. | +----------------------------------------+---------------------------------+ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Apr 3 00:29:48 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1049325915:10:18822:41".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 00:29:48 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1049325915:10:18822:41; Wed, 02 Apr 2003 23:25:15 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1017073; 2 Apr 2003 23:24 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 190rZj-00043O-00; Thu, 03 Apr 2003 00:23:23 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h32NMNg04849 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 00:22:23 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h32NMNk04846 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 00:22:23 +0100 Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([158.152.204.98]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 190rYj-000JNB-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 03 Apr 2003 00:22:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 00:22:29 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP - Windows version Message-ID: <4bdd1170f5john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4bdd0af6baowlart@argonet.co.uk> References: <4bdd0af6baowlart@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03g (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 02 Apr, Owl-Art Un-Ltd. wrote: > In article , > David Pilling wrote: > > Font's are an issue. Some people have conversions of all the standard > > Acorn fonts to Windows. That makes using Acorn documents on Windows > > very easy. > Does anyone here have the PC versions of Trinity, Homerton & Corpus? I > know they're effectively Times, Arial & Courier, but they're not exact > matches. Personally, I prefer the Acorn variants :-) I've downloaded the > PC version of OvnPro and it renders my latest 23Mb file okay, but without > the PC versions of the Acorn fonts, I'd have to go through it and change > all the font information :-( Homerton isn't Arial; it's Helvetica. Arial is a poor (mis)copy. -- John Cartmell john@cartmell.demon.co.uk FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 Acorn Publisher magazine & http://www.acornpublisher.com Fleur Designs (boardgames) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Apr 3 01:59:54 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1049331376:20:29334:48".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 01:59:54 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1049331376:20:29334:48; Thu, 03 Apr 2003 00:56:16 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2029734; 3 Apr 2003 0:56 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 190t0f-0007Nt-00; Thu, 03 Apr 2003 01:55:17 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h330sOP19891 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 01:54:24 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h330sMw19884 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 01:54:23 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 190szl-000A4k-0V for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 03 Apr 2003 01:54:21 +0100 Message-ID: <9J73DpD6X4i+Ew2S@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 01:53:14 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP - Windows version References: <4bdd0af6baowlart@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4bdd0af6baowlart@argonet.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >Does anyone here have the PC versions of Trinity, Homerton & Corpus? I >know they're effectively Times, Arial & Courier, but they're not exact >matches. Personally, I prefer the Acorn variants :-) I've downloaded the >PC version of OvnPro and it renders my latest 23Mb file okay, but without >the PC versions of the Acorn fonts, I'd have to go through it and change >all the font information :-( Before the end of the day I will implement some a font mapping system, so your doc can have Homerton in it, but use Arial (or whatever) on Windows. I would have liked to supply True Type versions of the Homerton etc. fonts but as far as I can see the licensing costs/complexity are too great. I've mentioned this subject before and said that as of now the probability is that OPW will be supplied with TT versions of the Beebug fonts and no others. As to Arial, the metric is the same as Homerton, the character shapes are slightly different. This means that you'll get the same amount of Arial into areas as you will Homerton. As John Cartmell has just said Helvetica is what Homerton is supposed to be. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Apr 3 13:26:11 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1049371767:20:24585:813".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 13:26:11 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1049371767:20:24585:813; Thu, 03 Apr 2003 12:09:27 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ap2116512; 3 Apr 2003 11:38 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1912yz-0003nw-00; Thu, 03 Apr 2003 12:34:13 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h33BXAq26843 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 12:33:10 +0100 Received: from altrade.nijmegen.internl.net (altrade.nijmegen.internl.net [217.149.192.18]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h33BX9426822 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 12:33:09 +0100 Received: from padua by altrade.nijmegen.internl.net via 1Cust104.tnt33.rtm1.nld.da.uu.net [213.116.160.104] with SMTP for id h33BTSvK018817 (8.12.8/2.04); Thu, 3 Apr 2003 13:29:29 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <000901c2f9d5$2a811c90$68a074d5@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: References: <4bdd0af6baowlart@argonet.co.uk> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP - Windows version Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 13:33:59 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On Thursday, April 03, 2003 12:11 AM, Owl-Art Un-Ltd. wrote: > In article , > David Pilling wrote: >> Font's are an issue. Some people have conversions of all the standard >> Acorn fonts to Windows. That makes using Acorn documents on Windows >> very easy. > > Does anyone here have the PC versions of Trinity, Homerton & Corpus? I > know they're effectively Times, Arial & Courier, but they're not exact > matches. Personally, I prefer the Acorn variants :-) I've downloaded > the PC version of OvnPro and it renders my latest 23Mb file okay, but > without the PC versions of the Acorn fonts, I'd have to go through it > and change all the font information :-( > Having conversions of all the standard Acorn fonts (and CC and Beebug) doesn't mean that they can be made publicly available. Maybe it isn't even legal to make and use such conversions on a personal or private base. Anyway I have made such conversions out of interest (can it be done and how and which characters to implement: Encodings ... Unicode). I restricted myself to *all* Latin_1 Encodings in Unicode TrueType, except for the non-Latin1 fonts Selwyn and Sidney. And Type1 fonts (that can't be used in OP), restricted to 256 chars. They work well in OP, when I import a RISC OS doc in Windows OP. Also in print and in pdf (with and without mapping), as long as the pdf is rendered in Windows. However, I can't make them available. Not even when I want that: I don't have any right to do that. Not even the use of the names, I guess. As a private person I don't want to get involved in licensing etc. issues. -- Mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Apr 3 14:05:50 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1049374995:20:00315:2007".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 14:05:50 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1049374995:20:00315:2007; Thu, 03 Apr 2003 13:03:15 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id av2004974; 3 Apr 2003 12:34 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1913pK-0005BM-00; Thu, 03 Apr 2003 13:28:18 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h33CRuf17936 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 13:27:56 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h33CRtr17930 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 13:27:56 +0100 Received: from worthy.demon.co.uk ([62.49.21.99] helo=worthy) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 1913ox-0002Dn-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 03 Apr 2003 13:27:55 +0100 Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 13:27:49 +0100 From: Tim Howarth To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP - Windows version Message-ID: <2d5759dd4b.tim@worthy.demon.co.uk> References: <4bdd0af6baowlart@argonet.co.uk> <000901c2f9d5$2a811c90$68a074d5@padua> In-Reply-To: <000901c2f9d5$2a811c90$68a074d5@padua> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (MsgServe/2.02) (RISC-OS/4.29) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message <000901c2f9d5$2a811c90$68a074d5@padua> "Tonnie Demarteau" wrote: > On Thursday, April 03, 2003 12:11 AM, > Owl-Art Un-Ltd. wrote: > However, I can't make them available. Not even when I want that: I don't > have any right to do that. Not even the use of the names, I guess. Is the process automated ? If so can a cenverter be supplied, the legality then lying with the user - who obviously needs RISC OS versions to start from. -- ___ |im ---- ARM Powered ---- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Apr 3 14:25:53 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1049376242:20:14586:1311".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 14:25:53 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1049376242:20:14586:1311; Thu, 03 Apr 2003 13:24:02 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id am2112671; 3 Apr 2003 13:19 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1914MJ-0002IF-00; Thu, 03 Apr 2003 14:02:23 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h33D1Bo30661 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 14:01:11 +0100 Received: from altrade.nijmegen.internl.net (altrade.nijmegen.internl.net [217.149.192.18]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h33D18D30652 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 14:01:09 +0100 Received: from padua by altrade.nijmegen.internl.net via 1Cust134.tnt30.rtm1.nld.da.uu.net [213.116.154.134] with SMTP for id h33CvRvK029393 (8.12.8/2.04); Thu, 3 Apr 2003 14:57:28 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <000901c2f9e1$752c4ab0$869a74d5@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: References: <4bdd0af6baowlart@argonet.co.uk> <000901c2f9d5$2a811c90$68a074d5@padua> <2d5759dd4b.tim@worthy.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP - Windows version Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 15:02:26 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On Thursday, April 03, 2003 2:27 PM, Tim Howarth wrote: > In message <000901c2f9d5$2a811c90$68a074d5@padua> > "Tonnie Demarteau" wrote: > >> On Thursday, April 03, 2003 12:11 AM, >> Owl-Art Un-Ltd. wrote: > > > >> However, I can't make them available. Not even when I want that: I >> don't have any right to do that. Not even the use of the names, I >> guess. > > Is the process automated ? No. I also can hardly imagine it can be done automated. Based on all the editing (not shapes or measurements !) needed to be done in several font editors in RISC OS and Windows. However, I am not a programmer. > If so can a cenverter be supplied, the legality then lying with the > user - who obviously needs RISC OS versions to start from. No convertor that can be supplied, exist. As far as I know. -- Mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Apr 3 16:36:15 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1049383193:20:19706:3334".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 16:36:15 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1049383193:20:19706:3334; Thu, 03 Apr 2003 15:19:53 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2003978; 3 Apr 2003 14:03 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1915Eo-0001fG-00; Thu, 03 Apr 2003 14:58:42 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h33DwDH20232 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 14:58:13 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h33DwBT20211 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 14:58:11 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 1915EJ-0001PZ-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 03 Apr 2003 14:58:11 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 14:56:53 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP - Windows version References: <4bdd0af6baowlart@argonet.co.uk> <000901c2f9d5$2a811c90$68a074d5@padua> <2d5759dd4b.tim@worthy.demon.co.uk> <000901c2f9e1$752c4ab0$869a74d5@padua> In-Reply-To: <000901c2f9e1$752c4ab0$869a74d5@padua> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >> >> >> Of course the irritating thing is that for some people the font licence has been trivial (probably thinking of Virtual Acorn here), yet on the other hand, who does one talk to? Pace Castle The executors of Acorn PLC ROSL The company in Cambridge who originally produced the fonts? Or does the sort of licence we had for distributing the RISC OS versions cover TT conversions? -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Apr 3 19:36:03 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1049394530:20:27609:2214".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 19:36:03 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1049394530:20:27609:2214; Thu, 03 Apr 2003 18:28:50 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ac2100088; 3 Apr 2003 18:05 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1918m0-0003Xw-00; Thu, 03 Apr 2003 18:45:12 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h33HheC07860 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 18:43:40 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h33Hhdj07843 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 18:43:39 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 1918kU-0007Th-0d for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 03 Apr 2003 18:43:38 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 18:42:27 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP - Windows version References: <4bdd0af6baowlart@argonet.co.uk> <000901c2f9d5$2a811c90$68a074d5@padua> <2d5759dd4b.tim@worthy.demon.co.uk> <000901c2f9e1$752c4ab0$869a74d5@padua> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >>> Another point is to what extent Homerton is a real font outside of RISC OS. Print to a PS printer under RISC OS and you get Helvetica. So once OPW can silently map Homerton to MS Sans Serif on screen and Helvetica on the printer is anyone going to be bothered. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Apr 3 20:16:06 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1049397065:10:29963:70".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 20:16:06 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1049397065:10:29963:70; Thu, 03 Apr 2003 19:11:05 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1127684; 3 Apr 2003 19:10 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 191A0T-0007Ak-00; Thu, 03 Apr 2003 20:04:13 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h33J3Ux26541 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 20:03:30 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h33J3TW26535 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 20:03:29 +0100 Received: from worthy.demon.co.uk ([62.49.21.99] helo=worthy) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 1919zk-0000P7-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 03 Apr 2003 20:03:28 +0100 Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 20:03:22 +0100 From: Tim Howarth To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP - Windows version Message-ID: References: <4bdd0af6baowlart@argonet.co.uk> <2d5759dd4b.tim@worthy.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (MsgServe/2.02) (RISC-OS/4.29) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message David Pilling wrote: > >>> > > Another point is to what extent Homerton is a real font outside of RISC > OS. Print to a PS printer under RISC OS and you get Helvetica. So once > OPW can silently map Homerton to MS Sans Serif on screen and Helvetica > on the printer is anyone going to be bothered. I suppose a system whereby OPFW uses a rule to decide which font to use - 2 basic cases either the same name font exists in Windows as RISC OS or a mapping exists. For most cases simply mapping, Corpus-Courier Trinity-Times Homerton-Helvetica (if exists) or Arial (isn't that closer than MS Sans Serif ?) would suffice. I am right in thinking ATM that all fonts get mapped to Arial ? (I thought one of the earlier versions did Trinity-Times but don't see this now.) -- ___ |im ---- ARM Powered ---- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Apr 3 20:36:06 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1049398122:10:08696:59".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 20:36:06 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1049398122:10:08696:59; Thu, 03 Apr 2003 19:28:42 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1006442; 3 Apr 2003 19:27 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 191ALo-0003Fu-00; Thu, 03 Apr 2003 20:26:16 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h33JPve32009 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 20:25:57 +0100 Received: from altrade.nijmegen.internl.net (altrade.nijmegen.internl.net [217.149.192.18]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h33JPuT32005 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 20:25:56 +0100 Received: from padua by altrade.nijmegen.internl.net via 1Cust6.tnt15.rtm1.nld.da.uu.net [213.116.124.6] with SMTP for id h33JMGvK000934 (8.12.8/2.04); Thu, 3 Apr 2003 21:22:16 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <000d01c2fa17$37266490$067c74d5@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: References: <4bdd0af6baowlart@argonet.co.uk> <000901c2f9d5$2a811c90$68a074d5@padua> <2d5759dd4b.tim@worthy.demon.co.uk> <000901c2f9e1$752c4ab0$869a74d5@padua> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP - Windows version Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 21:26:48 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On Thursday, April 03, 2003 7:42 PM, David Pilling wrote: >>>> > > Another point is to what extent Homerton is a real font outside of > RISC OS. Print to a PS printer under RISC OS and you get Helvetica. > So once OPW can silently map Homerton to MS Sans Serif on screen and > Helvetica on the printer is anyone going to be bothered. > This only is or can be (made) valid for PostScript printing. This concept of mapping can also be applied to the other main Acorn fonts, Beebug and CC fonts inclusive. In RISC OS and in Windows. Mapping to a PostScript font in PostScript printing is more than mapping a name and Encoding. Mapping from RISC OS to a font on another platform (TrueType and/or Type1) is only mapping of the font name. Big difference or question is how reliable editing can be done in OPW with a font, that isn't the same as the original, used in RISC OS. -- Mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Apr 3 20:36:06 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1049398436:20:02686:425".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 20:36:06 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1049398436:20:02686:425; Thu, 03 Apr 2003 19:33:56 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2012283; 3 Apr 2003 19:33 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 191AQv-0004On-00; Thu, 03 Apr 2003 20:31:33 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h33JVEA00805 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 20:31:14 +0100 Received: from mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (mta06-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.46]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h33JVEQ00802 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 20:31:14 +0100 Received: from oemcomputer ([80.5.93.221]) by mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20030403193113.OEMB2033.mta06-svc.ntlworld.com@oemcomputer> for ; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 20:31:13 +0100 Message-ID: <001101c2fa17$a18d9ec0$dd5d0550@oemcomputer> From: "Jeff Wallis" To: "Ovation Pro" Subject: [softwarelist] Colour separation of Artworks files in OP Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 20:31:27 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist I am importing an AW file into OP. The AW file (CMYK colours) contains an object which is set to overprint a coloured rectangle beneath it. The file separates correctly in AW, it also separates correctly when exported to Impression Publisher but in OP the overprint attribute is ignored. Is there a solution to this or is it a limitation of OP ? Jeff Wallis -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Apr 3 20:46:09 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1049398703:10:29846:40".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 20:46:09 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1049398703:10:29846:40; Thu, 03 Apr 2003 19:38:23 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1106014; 3 Apr 2003 19:38 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 191AWZ-0005OU-00; Thu, 03 Apr 2003 20:37:23 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h33Jb2N02045 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 20:37:02 +0100 Received: from mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (mta01-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.41]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h33Jb1f02042 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 20:37:01 +0100 Received: from Rpc ([80.7.2.123]) by mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20030403193657.ODTP6166.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@Rpc> for ; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 20:36:57 +0100 Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 20:36:45 +0100 From: John Sandford To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP - Windows version Message-ID: <269c80dd4b.jms@ntlworld.com> References: <4bdd0af6baowlart@argonet.co.uk> <2d5759dd4b.tim@worthy.demon.co.uk> <000d01c2fa17$37266490$067c74d5@padua> In-Reply-To: <000d01c2fa17$37266490$067c74d5@padua> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (MsgServe/2.02) (RISC-OS/4.33) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message <000d01c2fa17$37266490$067c74d5@padua> "Tonnie Demarteau" wrote: [snip] > Big difference or question is how reliable editing can be done in OPW with a > font, that isn't the same as the original, used in RISC OS. > > -- > Mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands If Techwriter is anything to go by it gets close, but will change the layout of the document, mostly by only a few lines per page. -- John Sandford West Herts UK Hemel Hempstead Risc OS User Group www.hhrug.org.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Apr 3 22:06:11 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1049403436:20:14837:69".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 22:06:11 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1049403436:20:14837:69; Thu, 03 Apr 2003 20:57:16 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2015341; 3 Apr 2003 20:56 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 191Bki-0004Gk-00; Thu, 03 Apr 2003 21:56:04 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h33KtLX19543 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 21:55:21 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h33KtLI19535 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 21:55:21 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 191Bk0-0001xo-0V for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 03 Apr 2003 21:55:20 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 21:54:05 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP - Windows version References: <4bdd0af6baowlart@argonet.co.uk> <000901c2f9d5$2a811c90$68a074d5@padua> <2d5759dd4b.tim@worthy.demon.co.uk> <000901c2f9e1$752c4ab0$869a74d5@padua> <000d01c2fa17$37266490$067c74d5@padua> In-Reply-To: <000d01c2fa17$37266490$067c74d5@padua> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >Big difference or question is how reliable editing can be done in OPW with a >font, that isn't the same as the original, used in RISC OS. That was my point, Homerton, Helvetica and Arial all have the same metric so you'll get exactly the same amount of any one of them to a given space. In other words the widths of characters in these fonts are identical, the shapes may be slightly different. Most serious users of DTP on RISC OS will have used Homerton on screen and then printed Helvetica on their printer. And of course Beebug's SwissB also has the same metric as the above. As John Wallace told me in 1989 when he constructed it, it would be no use if it didn't. Perhaps what is needed to be going on with is something that makes a copy of Arial (or whatever) called Homerton etc. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Apr 4 00:46:17 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1049413439:10:06932:71".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 00:46:17 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1049413439:10:06932:71; Thu, 03 Apr 2003 23:43:59 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1121540; 3 Apr 2003 23:43 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 191EMA-0008Ot-00; Fri, 04 Apr 2003 00:42:54 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h33Nfkx17043 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 00:41:46 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h33Nfj217037 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 00:41:46 +0100 Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([158.152.204.98]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 191EL2-00051i-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 04 Apr 2003 00:41:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 23:47:01 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP - Windows version Message-ID: <4bdd92077ajohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4bdd0af6baowlart@argonet.co.uk> <000901c2f9d5$2a811c90$68a074d5@padua> <2d5759dd4b.tim@worthy.demon.co.uk> <000901c2f9e1$752c4ab0$869a74d5@padua> <000d01c2fa17$37266490$067c74d5@padua> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03g (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 03 Apr, David Pilling wrote: > Perhaps what is needed to be going on with is something that makes a > copy of Arial (or whatever) called Homerton etc. I'm not sure what's being suggested here but, even though fonts may have the same metrics (& in all conditions?), it would be wrong to give the 'wrong' name where fonts had different shapes. Arial *isn't* Helvetica or Homerton and shouldn't be so labelled (nor vice versa). Although misleading the same stricture doesn't apply to Helvetica and Homerton which have the same metrics and design. All as far as I understand and open to challenge (and ignoring all considerations of copyright!). -- John Cartmell john@cartmell.demon.co.uk FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 Acorn Publisher magazine & http://www.acornpublisher.com Fleur Designs (boardgames) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Apr 4 01:36:24 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1049416340:20:24614:63".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 01:36:24 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1049416340:20:24614:63; Fri, 04 Apr 2003 00:32:20 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2101483; 4 Apr 2003 0:31 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 191F6o-0008J1-00; Fri, 04 Apr 2003 01:31:06 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h340UeQ22462 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 01:30:40 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h340Uen22459 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 01:30:40 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 191F6N-0009xe-0W for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 04 Apr 2003 01:30:40 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 01:29:17 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP - Windows version References: <4bdd0af6baowlart@argonet.co.uk> <000901c2f9d5$2a811c90$68a074d5@padua> <2d5759dd4b.tim@worthy.demon.co.uk> <000901c2f9e1$752c4ab0$869a74d5@padua> <000d01c2fa17$37266490$067c74d5@padua> <4bdd92077ajohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4bdd92077ajohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >All as far as I understand and open to challenge (and ignoring all >considerations of copyright!). OK, "to make a copy of Helvetica called 'Homerton'". You document will then load, and what you end up with on your printer will be exactly what you would have got on RISC OS. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Apr 4 14:00:04 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1049457256:10:12398:120".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 14:00:04 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1049457256:10:12398:120; Fri, 04 Apr 2003 11:54:16 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ac1013157; 4 Apr 2003 11:54 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 191PST-00009r-00; Fri, 04 Apr 2003 12:34:09 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h34BXAW07194 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 12:33:10 +0100 Received: from altrade.nijmegen.internl.net (altrade.nijmegen.internl.net [217.149.192.18]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h34BX9P07181 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 12:33:09 +0100 Received: from padua by altrade.nijmegen.internl.net via 1Cust53.tnt41.rtm1.nld.da.uu.net [213.117.0.53] with SMTP for id h34BTSvK022760 (8.12.8/2.04); Fri, 4 Apr 2003 13:29:29 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <005201c2fa9e$55f101f0$350075d5@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: "Ovation Pro" References: <8fd9c3dd4b%ovation@goatly.co.uk> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP - Windows version Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 13:21:36 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On Friday, April 04, 2003 9:51 AM, Bruce Goatly wrote: > In message > David Pilling wrote: > >> That was my point, Homerton, Helvetica and Arial all have the same >> metric so you'll get exactly the same amount of any one of them to a >> given space. >> >> In other words the widths of characters in these fonts are identical, >> the shapes may be slightly different. >> >> Most serious users of DTP on RISC OS will have used Homerton on >> screen and then printed Helvetica on their printer. >> >> And of course Beebug's SwissB also has the same metric as the above. >> As John Wallace told me in 1989 when he constructed it, it would be >> no use if it didn't. > > The same is true of Pembroke on the Acorn and the Adobe PostScript > version of Palatino - I used the PostScript metrics in building > Pembroke. Yes, this was the idea/view behind: SwissB of Beebug and Homerton of Acorn --- Helvetica Trinity of Acorn --- Times Corpus of Acorn and Curator of Beebug --- Courier Sidney of Acorn and SymbolB of Beebug --- Symbol Selwyn has a very different order of the glyphs as ITC Zapf Dingbats. Pembroke of CC and Paladin of Beebug --- Palatino BookM of CC and Bookmark of Beebug --- Bookman AvantG of CC and Vogue of Beebug --- AvantGarde NewHall of Acorn --- New Century Schoolbook Chaucer of Beebug --- ITC Zapf Chancery Sidney of Acorn and SymbolB of Beebug --- Symbol I don't know an Acorn equivalent for Helvetica Narrow. I wonder how many people have edited their default mapping in RISC OS to these entries. And any user can only do that for her own system. Be it RISC OS, be it Windows. It also makes a difference for what purpose the print-out is made. Only the first 14 are safe or supported for making a pdf. Since I couldn't decided, where to snip, I haven't done this ... As outlined above: mapping to PostScript fonts is a *second* mapping, only useful in a very limited environment, where the creator of the document has full control on both platforms and on printing. The printing has to be PostScript printing. The creator also has to take that control: wrong or forgotten PostScript mappings result in embedded Type3 in RISC OS and embedded TrueTypes in Windows. Besides that: a PostScript font name isn't the same as a TrueType font name ... not all Windows versions come with the same set of the same default TrueType fonts ... Surely all this PostScript stuff is of no use at all for not-PostScript printing or for PostScript-printing-without-mapping, where the actually used TrueTypes also are used in print. Importing, exporting, exchange between platforms demands a different, *first* fontmapping: RISC OS <> TrueType. So, in my opinion, the question is for cases where the metrics can be assumed to be the same, whether ONE fixed font map RISC OS<> TrueType will do. It will for do people, who don't care (or don't have to care for they can correct the PS print-out) or don't want to care about the typeface in use as long as the font is always available. With a preference for Windows or RISC OS 'default'. A fixed mapping will be OK, when it is 1) additional and 2) available, when a true equivalent in shapes isn't available. However, I think, a serious user needs to have a choice between building/editing his own maps or to use a fixed default. As far as Homerton/SwissB/Helvetica is concerned, many people have other choices than Arial. Other, for I think the discussion isn't about poor...best design or use of typefaces. Many software packages come with TrueType Helvetica equivalents, mainly found with names derived from 'Swiss' or 'Geneva'. -- Mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Apr 4 14:00:09 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1049443012:20:24197:80".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 14:00:09 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1049443012:20:24197:80; Fri, 04 Apr 2003 07:56:52 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2103348; 4 Apr 2003 7:56 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 191M2l-0002gl-00; Fri, 04 Apr 2003 08:55:23 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h347sVt13711 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 08:54:31 +0100 Received: from blueyonder.co.uk (pcow057o.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.53.94]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h347sUY13704 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 08:54:30 +0100 Received: from RPC ([213.48.249.208]) by blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Fri, 4 Apr 2003 08:54:28 +0100 Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 08:51:11 +0100 From: Bruce Goatly To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP - Windows version Message-ID: <8fd9c3dd4b%ovation@goatly.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Perfect Page X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b User-Agent: POPstar/2.05 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message David Pilling wrote: > That was my point, Homerton, Helvetica and Arial all have the same > metric so you'll get exactly the same amount of any one of them to a > given space. > > In other words the widths of characters in these fonts are identical, > the shapes may be slightly different. > > Most serious users of DTP on RISC OS will have used Homerton on screen > and then printed Helvetica on their printer. > > And of course Beebug's SwissB also has the same metric as the above. As > John Wallace told me in 1989 when he constructed it, it would be no use > if it didn't. The same is true of Pembroke on the Acorn and the Adobe PostScript version of Palatino - I used the PostScript metrics in building Pembroke. Bruce -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Apr 4 14:00:11 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1049458113:20:23213:1642".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 14:00:11 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1049458113:20:23213:1642; Fri, 04 Apr 2003 12:08:33 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ac2102081; 4 Apr 2003 11:38 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 191PST-00009q-00; Fri, 04 Apr 2003 12:34:09 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h34BXB507204 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 12:33:11 +0100 Received: from altrade.nijmegen.internl.net (altrade.nijmegen.internl.net [217.149.192.18]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h34BXAQ07200 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 12:33:11 +0100 Received: from padua by altrade.nijmegen.internl.net via 1Cust53.tnt41.rtm1.nld.da.uu.net [213.117.0.53] with SMTP for id h34BTSvM022760 (8.12.8/2.04); Fri, 4 Apr 2003 13:29:30 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <005301c2fa9e$56d854b0$350075d5@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: "Ovation Pro" References: <4bdd0af6baowlart@argonet.co.uk> <000901c2f9d5$2a811c90$68a074d5@padua> <2d5759dd4b.tim@worthy.demon.co.uk> <000901c2f9e1$752c4ab0$869a74d5@padua> <000d01c2fa17$37266490$067c74d5@padua> <4bdd92077ajohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP - Windows version Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 13:33:33 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On Friday, April 04, 2003 2:29 AM, David Pilling wrote: > Perhaps what is needed to be going on with is something that makes a > copy of Arial (or whatever) called Homerton etc. John Cartmell wrote: >> All as far as I understand and open to challenge (and ignoring all >> considerations of copyright!). David Pilling wrote: > OK, "to make a copy of Helvetica called 'Homerton'". You document will > then load, and what you end up with on your printer will be exactly > what you would have got on RISC OS. Renaming a font isn't only a matter of renaming the name, that you see in the filer. As can be done with a text file. This isn't the case in RISC OS, it isn't the case in Windows. Maybe you are thinking about using an alias? I wonder, isn't that also a kind of 'font mapping' ? Also theoretically speaking and ignoring all considerations of copyright! BTW: when an OP doc can be exported/imported as DDL (without damaging the content), the fontmappings can be done in the DDL. I am sure about the styles. Not about the effects. Also not about fonts used in DrawFiles. -- Mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Apr 4 14:20:02 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1049462136:10:21969:51".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 14:20:02 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1049462136:10:21969:51; Fri, 04 Apr 2003 13:15:36 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1022037; 4 Apr 2003 13:15 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 191R1P-0005Fe-00; Fri, 04 Apr 2003 14:14:19 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h34DDrV03602 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 14:13:53 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h34DDqh03595 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 14:13:52 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 191R0y-000Meb-0W for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 04 Apr 2003 14:13:52 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 14:12:42 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP - Windows version References: <4bdd0af6baowlart@argonet.co.uk> <000901c2f9d5$2a811c90$68a074d5@padua> <2d5759dd4b.tim@worthy.demon.co.uk> <000901c2f9e1$752c4ab0$869a74d5@padua> <000d01c2fa17$37266490$067c74d5@padua> <4bdd92077ajohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <005301c2fa9e$56d854b0$350075d5@padua> In-Reply-To: <005301c2fa9e$56d854b0$350075d5@padua> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >Renaming a font isn't only a matter of renaming the name, that you see in >the filer. As can be done with a text file. >This isn't the case in RISC OS, it isn't the case in Windows. I know how to do this on RISC OS, you use FontEdit, load the font, change the name in the font file. I don't know how one does this trick for Windows TT fonts - perhaps there is a system tool or freeware utility? >Maybe you are thinking about using an alias? That can be done on RISC OS - although ISTR the slightest error crashes the system. Again I don't know about Windows? >Also theoretically speaking and ignoring all considerations of copyright! Fair use... >BTW: when an OP doc can be exported/imported as DDL (without damaging the >content), the fontmappings can be done in the DDL. I am sure about the >styles. Not about the effects. Also not about fonts used in DrawFiles. Yes a way of mapping fonts, but it wouldn't work in Draw files. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Apr 4 14:20:03 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1049462290:10:26000:83".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 14:20:03 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1049462290:10:26000:83; Fri, 04 Apr 2003 13:18:10 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1026174; 4 Apr 2003 13:17 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 191Qzn-00051N-00; Fri, 04 Apr 2003 14:12:39 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h34DCB303088 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 14:12:11 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h34DCB603083 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 14:12:11 +0100 Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([158.152.204.98]) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 191QzJ-0002XL-0d for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 04 Apr 2003 14:12:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 14:10:12 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP - Windows version Message-ID: <4bdde10e4fjohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <005301c2fa9e$56d854b0$350075d5@padua> References: <4bdd0af6baowlart@argonet.co.uk> <000901c2f9d5$2a811c90$68a074d5@padua> <2d5759dd4b.tim@worthy.demon.co.uk> <000901c2f9e1$752c4ab0$869a74d5@padua> <000d01c2fa17$37266490$067c74d5@padua> <4bdd92077ajohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <005301c2fa9e$56d854b0$350075d5@padua> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03g (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 04 Apr, Tonnie Demarteau wrote: > On Friday, April 04, 2003 2:29 AM, David Pilling > wrote: > > Perhaps what is needed to be going on with is something that makes a > > copy of Arial (or whatever) called Homerton etc. > John Cartmell wrote: > >> All as far as I understand and open to challenge (and ignoring all > >> considerations of copyright!). > David Pilling wrote: > > OK, "to make a copy of Helvetica called 'Homerton'". You document will > > then load, and what you end up with on your printer will be exactly > > what you would have got on RISC OS. > Renaming a font isn't only a matter of renaming the name, that you see > in the filer. As can be done with a text file. > This isn't the case in RISC OS, it isn't the case in Windows. With RISC OS I'd presume anyone would use !FontNamer or equivalent. I plead ignorance wrt Microsoft fonts. BTW renaming fonts is not for the unwary. It may be easy to do with a program like FontNamer but it's very easy to confuse yourself in subsequent use! -- John Cartmell john@cartmell.demon.co.uk FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 Acorn Publisher magazine & http://www.acornpublisher.com Fleur Designs (boardgames) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Apr 4 15:29:55 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1049465738:20:00540:2942".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 15:29:55 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1049465738:20:00540:2942; Fri, 04 Apr 2003 14:15:38 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ad2118119; 4 Apr 2003 13:56 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 191Rew-0000hB-00; Fri, 04 Apr 2003 14:55:10 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h34DshP15214 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 14:54:43 +0100 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.185]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h34DsgT15208 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 14:54:42 +0100 Received: from [212.227.126.205] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 191ReT-0007qk-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 04 Apr 2003 15:54:41 +0200 Received: from [172.177.29.205] (helo=goedel) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 191ReS-0006J4-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 04 Apr 2003 15:54:41 +0200 Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 15:54:54 +0200 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Colour separation of Artworks files in OP Message-ID: <0626e5dd4b.martin@mw-software.com> References: <001101c2fa17$a18d9ec0$dd5d0550@oemcomputer> In-Reply-To: <001101c2fa17$a18d9ec0$dd5d0550@oemcomputer> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (MsgServe/2.02) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.04-pre2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message <001101c2fa17$a18d9ec0$dd5d0550@oemcomputer> "Jeff Wallis" wrote: > I am importing an AW file into OP. The AW file (CMYK colours) contains an > object which is set to overprint a coloured rectangle beneath it. The file > separates correctly in AW, it also separates correctly when exported to > Impression Publisher but in OP the overprint attribute is ignored. > > Is there a solution to this or is it a limitation of OP ? Yes, this is a limitation in OP - although I do not quite understand why it is there. Colour separation and overprinting are handled in the client application, so AWRender cannot do anything about it. It is up to OP to decide how to do it. If you draw a Cyan rectangle with two red rectangles on top of it, one overprinting the other one not overprinting, then the latter knocks out the Cyan, while the formed does not. This works fine when you draw the objects in OP. If you import the same in an ArtWorks file, then both rectangles knock out the Cyan when displayed in OP. So, yes, this is a limitation in OP. I mentioned it to David some time ago. At that time, David replied with some problem he saw, which I did not think was a problem at all, but I then did not pursue the matter further. In my opinion, it would be very simple to do this correctly in OP - at least if one wanted to implement the interpretation of overprinting as Impression and ArtWorks do it (and this is probably the best thing to do when rendering an ArtWorks file - after all the file was designed with a specific way of overprinting in mind). Input: colour, plate this_component = separate(colour,plate); -- pick the component we want IF this_component > 0 THEN Render ELSE -- zero component, so only render if not overprinting IF colour.overprint THEN Do not render -- do not knock out ELSE Render -- knock out ENDIF ENDIF By the way, this even applies to spot colour plates: Obviously, any process colour separates to a zero component on a spot colour plate. If overprinting is set, it is not rendered in this case, so it does not knock out anything on the spot plate. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Apr 4 15:29:55 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1049466532:20:13907:1518".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 15:29:55 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1049466532:20:13907:1518; Fri, 04 Apr 2003 14:28:52 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ac2016573; 4 Apr 2003 13:34 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 191RHf-0000Ai-00; Fri, 04 Apr 2003 14:31:07 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h34DUkJ08613 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 14:30:46 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h34DUki08608 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 14:30:46 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 191RHJ-0002lQ-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 04 Apr 2003 14:30:45 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 14:29:26 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Colour separation of Artworks files in OP References: <001101c2fa17$a18d9ec0$dd5d0550@oemcomputer> In-Reply-To: <001101c2fa17$a18d9ec0$dd5d0550@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >I am importing an AW file into OP. The AW file (CMYK colours) contains an >object which is set to overprint a coloured rectangle beneath it. The file >separates correctly in AW, it also separates correctly when exported to >Impression Publisher but in OP the overprint attribute is ignored. >Is there a solution to this or is it a limitation of OP ? I would have expected this to work... Why might it not - Have you got the latest version of OP and the AW applet, much messing about has gone on with the subtle bits of AW rendering. Colour has the same name as a colour in OP and you've got the use colours button ticked in the Process window. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Apr 4 15:39:58 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1049467026:10:26322:102".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 15:39:58 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1049467026:10:26322:102; Fri, 04 Apr 2003 14:37:06 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1110301; 4 Apr 2003 14:36 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 191QnK-0002qI-00; Fri, 04 Apr 2003 13:59:46 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h34Cwsj31628 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 13:58:54 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h34Cwr331621 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 13:58:53 +0100 Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([158.152.204.98]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 191QmS-000J7J-0W for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 04 Apr 2003 13:58:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 11:25:39 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP - Windows version Message-ID: <4bddd1fdbbjohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4bdd0af6baowlart@argonet.co.uk> <000901c2f9d5$2a811c90$68a074d5@padua> <2d5759dd4b.tim@worthy.demon.co.uk> <000901c2f9e1$752c4ab0$869a74d5@padua> <000d01c2fa17$37266490$067c74d5@padua> <4bdd92077ajohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03g (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 04 Apr, David Pilling wrote: > >All as far as I understand and open to challenge (and ignoring all > >considerations of copyright!). > OK, "to make a copy of Helvetica called 'Homerton'". You document will > then load, and what you end up with on your printer will be exactly what > you would have got on RISC OS. Of course! ;-) -- John Cartmell john@cartmell.demon.co.uk FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 Acorn Publisher magazine & http://www.acornpublisher.com Fleur Designs (boardgames) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Apr 4 16:29:54 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1049469692:10:18126:44".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 16:29:54 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1049469692:10:18126:44; Fri, 04 Apr 2003 15:21:32 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ac1015826; 4 Apr 2003 15:20 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 191Snx-0003CI-00; Fri, 04 Apr 2003 16:08:33 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h34F7dl03858 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 16:07:39 +0100 Received: from altrade.nijmegen.internl.net (altrade.nijmegen.internl.net [217.149.192.18]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h34F7c803853 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 16:07:38 +0100 Received: from padua by altrade.nijmegen.internl.net via 1Cust110.tnt38.rtm1.nld.da.uu.net [213.116.170.110] with SMTP for id h34F3uvM017703 (8.12.8/2.04); Fri, 4 Apr 2003 17:03:58 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <003e01c2fabc$4cb967d0$6eaa74d5@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: "Ovation Pro" References: <4bdd0af6baowlart@argonet.co.uk> <000901c2f9d5$2a811c90$68a074d5@padua> <2d5759dd4b.tim@worthy.demon.co.uk> <000901c2f9e1$752c4ab0$869a74d5@padua> <000d01c2fa17$37266490$067c74d5@padua> <4bdd92077ajohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <005301c2fa9e$56d854b0$350075d5@padua> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP - Windows version Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 17:08:45 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On Friday, April 04, 2003 3:12 PM, David Pilling wrote: >> Renaming a font isn't only a matter of renaming the name, that you >> see in the filer. As can be done with a text file. >> This isn't the case in RISC OS, it isn't the case in Windows. > > I know how to do this on RISC OS, you use FontEdit, load the font, > change the name in the font file. Don't do it this way! Or better, don't do it at all. For many fonts, loaded in !FontEd, !FontEd gives the warning about the loss of kerning data on saving. And that is exactly, what happens. > I don't know how one does this trick for Windows TT fonts - perhaps > there is a system tool or freeware utility? >> Maybe you are thinking about using an alias? > That can be done on RISC OS - although ISTR the slightest error > crashes the system. Again I don't know about Windows? > >> Also theoretically speaking and ignoring all considerations of >> copyright! > > Fair use... > No need, to repeat my views about 'changing fonts'. I already wrote that in my reply to John Cartmell. I would prefer a decent font mapping application, like Appletmanager, that is used outside and before running OP. It also seems to me the only way to go. This is at program level (like Choices in OP). It scans the installed fonts, offers the default choices and gives opportunity to make and store changes. Sometimes the only difference between RISC OS and Windows font names is the deliminator: period in RISC OS, space in TrueTypes. This can also be taken into account. !Fontprint in RISC OS (where a user can always return to the default settings) or 'Font substitution Table' as can be found in Device Settings of an installed PostScript printer in Windows, comes to my mind as examples. On loading of a document, missing fonts not present in the configured mappings, are reported and the user gets the option to substitute with a font of his/her own choice. Or -like at current- to substitute these 'unknowns' with a default like Arial (Windows) or Trinity (RISC OS). Keeping the two options 'temporaly' and 'permanent' alive. This is at 'document level' (like Preferences in OP). Of course, it would also be nice, when choices made at document level as 'permanent', could be saved at program level, available for further use. Just my views. I realise that is easier to write this, than to make it happen! -- Mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Apr 4 17:39:56 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1049473857:20:12297:312".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 17:39:56 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1049473857:20:12297:312; Fri, 04 Apr 2003 16:30:57 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2120133; 4 Apr 2003 15:11 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 191Snx-0000ZT-00; Fri, 04 Apr 2003 16:08:33 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h34F7cC03850 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 16:07:38 +0100 Received: from altrade.nijmegen.internl.net (altrade.nijmegen.internl.net [217.149.192.18]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h34F7bP03846 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 16:07:37 +0100 Received: from padua by altrade.nijmegen.internl.net via 1Cust110.tnt38.rtm1.nld.da.uu.net [213.116.170.110] with SMTP for id h34F3uvK017703 (8.12.8/2.04); Fri, 4 Apr 2003 17:03:57 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <003d01c2fabc$4c042190$6eaa74d5@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: "Ovation Pro" References: <4bdd0af6baowlart@argonet.co.uk> <000901c2f9d5$2a811c90$68a074d5@padua> <2d5759dd4b.tim@worthy.demon.co.uk> <000901c2f9e1$752c4ab0$869a74d5@padua> <000d01c2fa17$37266490$067c74d5@padua> <4bdd92077ajohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <005301c2fa9e$56d854b0$350075d5@padua> <4bdde10e4fjohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP - Windows version Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 17:03:36 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On Friday, April 04, 2003 3:10 PM, John Cartmell wrote: > On 04 Apr, Tonnie Demarteau wrote: >> John Cartmell wrote: >>>> ... (and ignoring all considerations of copyright!). >> Renaming a font isn't only a matter of renaming the name, that you >> see in the filer. As can be done with a text file. > >> This isn't the case in RISC OS, it isn't the case in Windows. > With RISC OS I'd presume anyone would use !FontNamer or equivalent. I > plead ignorance wrt Microsoft fonts. > > BTW renaming fonts is not for the unwary. It may be easy to do with a > program like FontNamer but it's very easy to confuse yourself in > subsequent use! I assume !Fontnamer also warns against violation of copyrights. I am very much against any copying/renaming/editing of existing fonts. Not only based on protection of copyrights, but also based on protection of the design. Only when the original is kept as it is, it can be reliable used in exchange. So, I am pleased that even renaming of fonts is not for the unwary. I am also pleased that many fonts are protected against any 'easily... less easily to apply' changes. No help from me in this area. Not in RISC OS and not in Windows. I also don't support anything done or to do in such a direction. -- Mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Apr 4 18:40:00 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1049477921:20:05633:1780".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 18:40:00 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1049477921:20:05633:1780; Fri, 04 Apr 2003 17:38:41 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id al2117615; 4 Apr 2003 17:12 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 191Uat-00060V-00; Fri, 04 Apr 2003 18:03:11 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h34H24I00468 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 18:02:04 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h34H22D00462 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 18:02:03 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 191UZl-0000se-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 04 Apr 2003 18:02:01 +0100 Message-ID: <77bWPNE$obj+Ewsu@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 18:00:47 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Colour separation of Artworks files in OP References: <001101c2fa17$a18d9ec0$dd5d0550@oemcomputer> <0626e5dd4b.martin@mw-software.com> In-Reply-To: <0626e5dd4b.martin@mw-software.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >So, yes, this is a limitation in OP. I mentioned it to David some time >ago. At that time, David replied with some problem he saw, which I did not >think was a problem at all, but I then did not pursue the matter further. You said... Yes, from your code I see that you found out that the overprinting flag is bit 24 in the colour index. However, process colour overprinting still does not work for me. From what I see in your code you do not handle the overprint flag for named process colours, only for spot colours and for any colour on a spot plate. But some black object with overprinting on top of a yellow object still knocks it out on the yellow plate. The attached file shows a trivial example: The top ellipse should appear fully in the yellow separation. Of course, OP may choose to ignore the flag for process colours but as you handle process colour overprinting anyway, it should not be too difficult. and I replied... You had a point about over printing process colours. Yes but... OP only does this for the 4 special colours which it knows are the process colours CMYK. Any old colour can't be handled this way. We know that all the C ink should be on the C plate, so we can knock it out or not. Problem is how would I discover which AW colours are these special 4? -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Apr 4 19:30:03 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1049480919:10:10469:53".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 19:30:03 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1049480919:10:10469:53; Fri, 04 Apr 2003 18:28:39 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id af1007310; 4 Apr 2003 18:27 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 191Vp6-000813-00; Fri, 04 Apr 2003 19:21:56 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h34IKX517492 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 19:20:33 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h34IKTL17473 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 19:20:29 +0100 Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([158.152.204.98]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 191Vnf-0003TZ-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 04 Apr 2003 19:20:27 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 19:13:48 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP - Windows version Message-ID: <4bddfcda2ajohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <003d01c2fabc$4c042190$6eaa74d5@padua> References: <4bdd0af6baowlart@argonet.co.uk> <000901c2f9d5$2a811c90$68a074d5@padua> <2d5759dd4b.tim@worthy.demon.co.uk> <000901c2f9e1$752c4ab0$869a74d5@padua> <000d01c2fa17$37266490$067c74d5@padua> <4bdd92077ajohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <005301c2fa9e$56d854b0$350075d5@padua> <4bdde10e4fjohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <003d01c2fabc$4c042190$6eaa74d5@padua> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03g (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 04 Apr, Tonnie Demarteau wrote: > On Friday, April 04, 2003 3:10 PM, John Cartmell > wrote: > > On 04 Apr, Tonnie Demarteau wrote: > >> John Cartmell wrote: > >>>> ... (and ignoring all considerations of copyright!). > >> Renaming a font isn't only a matter of renaming the name, that you > >> see in the filer. As can be done with a text file. > > > >> This isn't the case in RISC OS, it isn't the case in Windows. > > With RISC OS I'd presume anyone would use !FontNamer or equivalent. I > > plead ignorance wrt Microsoft fonts. > > > > BTW renaming fonts is not for the unwary. It may be easy to do with a > > program like FontNamer but it's very easy to confuse yourself in > > subsequent use! > I assume !Fontnamer also warns against violation of copyrights. No Fontnamer just does it - and quite well (ie simply). The warning was from me. I've found its use in splitting font families where otherwise choosing Bold would choose the bold of a sub-family. Of course this is a waste of time where you are sending documents to other people. probably its best use is in sorting out the names of silly PD fonts that have 2 or 3 levels before you get font data or for substituting a font name to help recover a document. > I am very much against any copying/renaming/editing of existing fonts. > Not only based on protection of copyrights, but also based on protection > of the design. Absolutely! [Snip] -- John Cartmell john@cartmell.demon.co.uk FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 Acorn Publisher magazine & http://www.acornpublisher.com Fleur Designs (boardgames) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Apr 4 19:40:00 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1049481397:10:28972:87".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 19:40:00 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1049481397:10:28972:87; Fri, 04 Apr 2003 18:36:37 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ag1128156; 4 Apr 2003 18:36 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 191W0F-0000mJ-00; Fri, 04 Apr 2003 19:33:27 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h34IWtA19893 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 19:32:55 +0100 Received: from mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (mta02-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.42]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h34IWt119886 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 19:32:55 +0100 Received: from oemcomputer ([80.5.93.221]) by mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20030404183255.VFKW9882.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@oemcomputer> for ; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 19:32:55 +0100 Message-ID: <000301c2fad8$a576c720$dd5d0550@oemcomputer> From: "Jeff Wallis" To: References: <001101c2fa17$a18d9ec0$dd5d0550@oemcomputer> <0626e5dd4b.martin@mw-software.com> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Colour separation of Artworks files in OP Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 19:33:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Wuerthner" To: Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 2:54 PM Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Colour separation of Artworks files in OP > In message <001101c2fa17$a18d9ec0$dd5d0550@oemcomputer> > "Jeff Wallis" wrote: > > > I am importing an AW file into OP. The AW file (CMYK colours) contains an > > object which is set to overprint a coloured rectangle beneath it. The file > > separates correctly in AW, it also separates correctly when exported to > > Impression Publisher but in OP the overprint attribute is ignored. > > > > Is there a solution to this or is it a limitation of OP ? > > Yes, this is a limitation in OP - although I do not quite understand why > it is there. Colour separation and overprinting are handled in the client > application, so AWRender cannot do anything about it. It is up to OP to > decide how to do it. > > If you draw a Cyan rectangle with two red rectangles on top of it, one > overprinting the other one not overprinting, then the latter knocks out > the Cyan, while the formed does not. This works fine when you draw the > objects in OP. If you import the same in an ArtWorks file, then both > rectangles knock out the Cyan when displayed in OP. > (Snip) I have been experimenting further and I think I may have come across a workround, (maybe it's what you're supposed to do !) AW file Define any colour to be overprinted as a spot colour Set the 'overprint' attribute to relevant objects in the usual way OP File Set 'use spots' in Picture/process dialogue box Define new colour(s) with the same name and matching the AW colours (if they don't already exist) as RGB or CMYK colours - NB not as spot colours. The imported AW file then seems to separate correctly between the CMYK plates. I haven't tried it on an actual printed job yet but it looks OK on screen. Jeff Wallis -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Apr 9 18:09:56 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1049873588:10:07943:67".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 18:09:56 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1049873588:10:07943:67; Wed, 09 Apr 2003 07:33:08 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1007494; 9 Apr 2003 7:32 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 193A4D-0002iN-00; Wed, 09 Apr 2003 08:32:21 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h397VaW22349 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 08:31:36 +0100 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.177]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h397VYk22339 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 08:31:34 +0100 Received: from [212.227.126.162] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 193A3S-0004vL-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 09 Apr 2003 09:31:34 +0200 Received: from [172.178.0.122] (helo=goedel) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 193A3Q-0000yR-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 09 Apr 2003 09:31:32 +0200 Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 09:32:02 +0200 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Colour separation of Artworks files in OP Message-ID: References: <0626e5dd4b.martin@mw-software.com> <000301c2fad8$a576c720$dd5d0550@oemcomputer> In-Reply-To: <000301c2fad8$a576c720$dd5d0550@oemcomputer> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (MsgServe/2.02) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.04-pre2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message <000301c2fad8$a576c720$dd5d0550@oemcomputer> "Jeff Wallis" wrote: > I have been experimenting further and I think I may have come across a > workround, (maybe it's what you're supposed to do !) > > AW file > Define any colour to be overprinted as a spot colour > Set the 'overprint' attribute to relevant objects in the usual way > > OP File > Set 'use spots' in Picture/process dialogue box > Define new colour(s) with the same name and matching the AW colours (if they > don't already exist) as RGB or CMYK colours - NB not as spot colours. > > The imported AW file then seems to separate correctly between the CMYK > plates. I haven't tried it on an actual printed job yet but it looks OK on > screen. If it works, fine. But it is certainly not what you are supposed to do. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Apr 9 18:10:07 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1049873587:20:29470:61".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 18:10:07 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1049873587:20:29470:61; Wed, 09 Apr 2003 07:33:07 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2029530; 9 Apr 2003 7:32 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 193A4D-0002iO-00; Wed, 09 Apr 2003 08:32:21 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h397VXl22336 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 08:31:33 +0100 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.186]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h397VWn22333 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 08:31:32 +0100 Received: from [212.227.126.162] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 193A3P-0005Tn-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 09 Apr 2003 09:31:31 +0200 Received: from [172.178.0.122] (helo=goedel) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 193A3O-0000yR-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 09 Apr 2003 09:31:31 +0200 Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 09:30:41 +0200 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Colour separation of Artworks files in OP Message-ID: <2c2755e04b.martin@mw-software.com> References: <0626e5dd4b.martin@mw-software.com> <77bWPNE$obj+Ewsu@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <77bWPNE$obj+Ewsu@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (MsgServe/2.02) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.04-pre2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message <77bWPNE$obj+Ewsu@pilling.demon.co.uk> David Pilling wrote: > >So, yes, this is a limitation in OP. I mentioned it to David some time > >ago. At that time, David replied with some problem he saw, which I did not > >think was a problem at all, but I then did not pursue the matter further. > > You said... > > > Yes, from your code I see that you found out that the overprinting flag > > is bit 24 in the colour index. However, process colour overprinting > > still does not work for me. From what I see in your code you do not > > handle the overprint flag for named process colours, only for spot > > colours and for any colour on a spot plate. But some black object with > > overprinting on top of a yellow object still knocks it out on the yellow > > plate. The attached file shows a trivial example: The top ellipse should > > appear fully in the yellow separation. Of course, OP may choose to > > ignore the flag for process colours but as you handle process colour > > overprinting anyway, it should not be too difficult. > > and I replied... > > You had a point about over printing process colours. Yes but... OP only > does this for the 4 special colours which it knows are the process > colours CMYK. Any old colour can't be handled this way. It can. And it should. What is wrong with the simple algorithm I posted in another message in this thread? You just check whether the colour's component that corresponds to the current plate is zero. > We know that all the C ink should be on the C plate, so we can knock it > out or not. Problem is how would I discover which AW colours are these > special 4? Ah, yes, that was it. It thoroughly confused me. First of all, I do not understand why you would want to limit overprinting to just 4 colours instead of all CMYK process colours. But even if you wanted to, what is the problem finding these 4? Unlike spot colours, process colours have no identity, they are fully determined by the values of their components. So, if you want to check whether a given CMYK colour is Cyan, you just check whether C=1 Y=0 M=0 K=0 holds. Likewise for the others. There are no "special" process colours. Somehow, I have the feeling that there must be a massive misunderstanding here. If you prefer, we can sort this out in private e-mail rather than in the group. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Apr 9 18:10:11 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1049883060:20:22107:1647".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 18:10:11 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1049883060:20:22107:1647; Wed, 09 Apr 2003 10:11:00 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ac2003012; 9 Apr 2003 9:58 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 193CFX-0004ic-00; Wed, 09 Apr 2003 10:52:11 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h399pGC26415 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 10:51:16 +0100 Received: from cmailg5.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg5.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.175]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h399pF026409 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 10:51:15 +0100 Received: from modem-2954.snake.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.123.138] helo=freeserve.net) by cmailg5.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 193CEc-0006sD-Qh for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 09 Apr 2003 10:51:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 10:47:38 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Large file now failing to load Message-ID: <4be0672f2amdavies@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.02f (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist I have a large (ca 60 MB) OvPro file containing a number of unreferenced, non proxied images of up to ca, 11MB in size which has previously loaded without problems into OvPro 2.70. I am using a SA RPC with 128+2MB RAM and RiscOS 3.70. Over the last few days this file is now refusing to load into either OvPro 2.70 or 2.67 with the machine hanging and requiring an Alt-Break to quit OvPro. Double clicking on the file, without OvPro on the icon bar, hangs without OvPro even getting fully loaded and Alt-Break then clears an 'Unknown' app. I am not aware of any recent changes to hard or software. A backup on another disc, taken before this problem arose, also now refuses to load in the same way. In an attempt to check memory performance and DMA operation, I find that I can successfully load a succession of large (but smaller) OvPro files of 10 - 20MB in size without problems, right up to the limit of memory (ca. 116MB). As a rider to the above, when OvPro is quit via Alt-Break, I notice that its very large DMA memory slot is not cleared thus drastically reducing available memory until the machine is re-booted. Is there any way to overcome this? This file is quite important and any help in resolving the problem would be gratefully appreciated! Cheers - Malcolm -- Malcolm Davies ** Tel/Fax : +44 (0)1283 575 345 ** Burton on Trent, Staffs ** Email : mdavies@ukgateway.net ** -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Apr 9 18:49:21 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1049909465:20:18961:1015".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 18:49:21 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1049909465:20:18961:1015; Wed, 09 Apr 2003 17:31:05 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id an2009421; 9 Apr 2003 17:19 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 193HkE-0001cj-00; Wed, 09 Apr 2003 16:44:14 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h39FhPN18679 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 16:43:25 +0100 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.189]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h39FhOF18669 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 16:43:25 +0100 Received: from [212.227.126.162] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 193HjQ-0006vs-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 09 Apr 2003 17:43:24 +0200 Received: from [172.177.243.141] (helo=goedel) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 193HjP-0005Cy-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 09 Apr 2003 17:43:23 +0200 Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 17:43:48 +0200 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Large file now failing to load Message-ID: <6b4c82e04b.martin@mw-software.com> References: <4be0672f2amdavies@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4be0672f2amdavies@ukgateway.net> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (MsgServe/2.02) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.04-pre2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message <4be0672f2amdavies@ukgateway.net> wrote: > As a rider to the above, when OvPro is quit via Alt-Break, I notice that > its very large DMA memory slot is not cleared thus drastically reducing > available memory until the machine is re-booted. Is there any way to > overcome this? At least this question is answered easily. There is a utility called "KillDA" that allows you to kill unused dynamic areas left behind by applications that have crashed. They are called dynamic areas or DAs by the way. DMA is something completely different. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Apr 10 02:29:42 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1049913673:20:03018:1489".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 02:29:42 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1049913673:20:03018:1489; Wed, 09 Apr 2003 18:41:13 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ak2117998; 9 Apr 2003 18:37 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 193JRr-0001By-00; Wed, 09 Apr 2003 18:33:23 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h39HWSg28529 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 18:32:28 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h39HWNN28513 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 18:32:23 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 193JQs-000KQd-0X for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 09 Apr 2003 18:32:22 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 18:30:54 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Large file now failing to load References: <4be0672f2amdavies@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4be0672f2amdavies@ukgateway.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >I have a large (ca 60 MB) OvPro file containing a number of unreferenced, >non proxied images of up to ca, 11MB in size which has previously loaded >without problems into OvPro 2.70. I am using a SA RPC with 128+2MB RAM and >RiscOS 3.70. In OP choices you will find some buttons that enable the program to check for corruption of documents on loading or before saving. I'd recommend turning these on and then trying to load the document. >'Unknown' app. I am not aware of any recent changes to hard or software. A >backup on another disc, taken before this problem arose, also now refuses >to load in the same way. The question will be is the document corrupt? If it used to load and now won't and it has not been edited then you can hope to get it to load again. One scenario, less common now, is that the size of the undo buffer in OP choices is different to the size the document was saved with - on loading some of the buffer then has to be dumped and any corruption can lead to a crash. >In an attempt to check memory performance and DMA operation, I find that I >As a rider to the above, when OvPro is quit via Alt-Break, I notice that >its very large DMA memory slot is not cleared thus drastically reducing The first 'DMA' above maybe correct, the second should be 'DA' - dynamic area. There are various tools around that will let you kill orphaned dynamic areas off, that's what you need to do. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From mdavies@ukgateway.net Thu Apr 10 02:29:44 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1049917771:20:13806:85".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 02:29:44 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1049917771:20:13806:85; Wed, 09 Apr 2003 19:49:31 GMT Received: from fmailm2.svr.pol.co.uk ([195.92.193.218]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id af2108575; 9 Apr 2003 19:49 GMT Received: from [195.92.195.171] (helo=cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk) by fmailm2.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 193LFE-0001FW-N8 for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 09 Apr 2003 20:28:28 +0100 Received: from modem-2975.wolf.dialup.pol.co.uk ([81.76.139.159] helo=freeserve.net) by cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 193LFD-0007vb-Af for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 09 Apr 2003 20:28:27 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: To: Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 20:23:44 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Large file now failing to load Message-ID: <4be09bed6bmdavies@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.02f (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain In speedy response to my query On 09 Apr, David Pilling wrote: {snipped] > The question will be is the document corrupt? If it used to load and > now won't and it has not been edited then you can hope to get it to > load again. > One scenario, less common now, is that the size of the undo buffer in > OP choices is different to the size the document was saved with - on > loading some of the buffer then has to be dumped and any corruption can > lead to a crash. That's the one :-) I'd obviously re-set the 'Save buffer' option in General choices for a recent job but was unaware that the original troublesome file had been saved with the alternative option set. Changing this in the loaded OvPro now allows the file to load OK - just like before! Many thanks for another addition to the learning curve - even after ? 10+ years of using Ovation and OvPro! > >In an attempt to check memory performance and DMA operation, I find > >that I As a rider to the above, when OvPro is quit via Alt-Break, I > >notice that its very large DMA memory slot is not cleared thus > >drastically reducing > The first 'DMA' above maybe correct, the second should be 'DA' - > dynamic area. There are various tools around that will let you kill > orphaned dynamic areas off, that's what you need to do. Point taken (and retained!) and thanks also to Martin Wuerthner for the same advice and for also pointing me towards KillDA (on Neil Walker's web site). Thanks again and cheers Malcolm -- Malcolm Davies ** Tel/Fax : +44 (0)1283 575 345 ** Burton on Trent, Staffs ** Email : mdavies@ukgateway.net ** From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Apr 10 02:29:45 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1049922560:20:14708:70".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 02:29:45 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1049922560:20:14708:70; Wed, 09 Apr 2003 21:09:20 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id af2125849; 9 Apr 2003 21:09 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 193Lqg-0006qd-00; Wed, 09 Apr 2003 21:07:10 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h39K67w00854 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 21:06:07 +0100 Received: from cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.172]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h39K67V00850 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 21:06:07 +0100 Received: from modem-2702.tiger.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.218.142] helo=freeserve.net) by cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 193Lpe-0006YG-4k for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 09 Apr 2003 21:06:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 20:59:27 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Large file now failing to load Message-ID: <4be09f3280mdavies@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.02f (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Apologies if this appears twice - header problems! In speedy response to my query On 09 Apr, David Pilling wrote: {snipped] > The question will be is the document corrupt? If it used to load and > now won't and it has not been edited then you can hope to get it to > load again. > One scenario, less common now, is that the size of the undo buffer in > OP choices is different to the size the document was saved with - on > loading some of the buffer then has to be dumped and any corruption can > lead to a crash. That's the one :-) I'd obviously re-set the 'Save buffer' option in General choices for a recent job but was unaware that the original troublesome file had been saved with the alternative option set. Changing this in the loaded OvPro now allows the file to load OK - just like before! Many thanks for another addition to the learning curve - even after ? 10+ years of using Ovation and OvPro! > >In an attempt to check memory performance and DMA operation, I find > >that I As a rider to the above, when OvPro is quit via Alt-Break, I > >notice that its very large DMA memory slot is not cleared thus > >drastically reducing > The first 'DMA' above maybe correct, the second should be 'DA' - > dynamic area. There are various tools around that will let you kill > orphaned dynamic areas off, that's what you need to do. Point taken (and retained!) and thanks also to Martin Wuerthner for the same advice and for also pointing me towards KillDA (on Neil Walker's web site). Thanks again and cheers Malcolm -- Malcolm Davies ** Tel/Fax : +44 (0)1283 575 345 ** Burton on Trent, Staffs ** Email : mdavies@ukgateway.net ** -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Apr 10 03:09:31 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1049940062:10:07967:63".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 03:09:31 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1049940062:10:07967:63; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 02:01:02 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ae1005304; 10 Apr 2003 1:59 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 193R60-0003HN-00; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 02:43:20 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3A1gTv29820 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 02:42:29 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3A1gPK29812 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 02:42:25 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 193R55-0008Gi-0V for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 02:42:23 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 02:41:12 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Large file now failing to load References: <4be09f3280mdavies@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4be09f3280mdavies@ukgateway.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >> One scenario, less common now, is that the size of the undo buffer in >> OP choices is different to the size the document was saved with - on >> loading some of the buffer then has to be dumped and any corruption can >> lead to a crash. >That's the one :-) I'd obviously re-set the 'Save buffer' option in >General choices for a recent job but was unaware that the original >troublesome file had been saved with the alternative option set. Obviously not entirely good news because the file is presumably corrupt. It would now be prudent to not use that file again - saving as DDL (and reloading) to rescue the contents. Enabling the OP Choices checks for corruption on loading and saving is a very good idea... -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Apr 10 13:44:23 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1049944205:10:05184:50".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 13:44:23 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1049944205:10:05184:50; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 03:10:05 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id bb1003356; 10 Apr 2003 3:09 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 193QPs-0007AO-00; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 01:59:48 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3A0xDq23926 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 01:59:13 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3A0xC923919 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 01:59:12 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 193QPH-0005g1-0V for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 01:59:11 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 01:57:43 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Colour separation of Artworks files in OP References: <0626e5dd4b.martin@mw-software.com> <77bWPNE$obj+Ewsu@pilling.demon.co.uk> <2c2755e04b.martin@mw-software.com> In-Reply-To: <2c2755e04b.martin@mw-software.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >Ah, yes, that was it. It thoroughly confused me. First of all, I do not OK, you're right and I was talking nonsense. In the rest of OP, I've done just what you suggest, but I didn't do this in the ArtWorks code, perhaps because image processing is active there unlike the other places where the problem of over printing appears. We will see about getting a fixed version of the AW applet out... -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Apr 10 13:44:26 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1049964980:10:01253:96".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 13:44:26 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1049964980:10:01253:96; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 08:56:20 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1123317; 10 Apr 2003 8:56 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 193Xp7-0007hc-00; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 09:54:21 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3A8riC28509 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 09:53:44 +0100 Received: from cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.174]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3A8rh828500 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 09:53:43 +0100 Received: from modem-2727.rhino.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.106.167] helo=freeserve.net) by cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 193XoU-0001Yq-GV for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 09:53:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 09:51:50 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Large file now failing to load Message-ID: <4be0e5e942mdavies@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: References: <4be09f3280mdavies@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.02f (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article , David Pilling wrote: > >That's the one :-) I'd obviously re-set the 'Save buffer' option in > >General choices for a recent job but was unaware that the original > >troublesome file had been saved with the alternative option set. > Obviously not entirely good news because the file is presumably > corrupt. It would now be prudent to not use that file again - saving > as DDL (and reloading) to rescue the contents. > Enabling the OP Choices checks for corruption on loading and saving is > a very good idea... Have now enabled the corruption checks and will leave them set. Interestingly, on then loading the 'problem' file, no report of corruption presented itself but, to be safe, I have saved as DDL and then re-loaded and (after a few tabbing etc. adjustments) saved again as OvPro. All's well that ends well :-) Cheers - Malcolm -- Malcolm Davies ** Tel/Fax : +44 (0)1283 575 345 ** Burton on Trent, Staffs ** Email : mdavies@ukgateway.net ** -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Apr 10 18:56:14 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1049995210:10:24977:45".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 18:56:14 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1049995210:10:24977:45; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 17:20:10 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id bd1024484; 10 Apr 2003 17:19 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 193fer-00088P-00; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 18:16:17 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3AHFNj21845 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 18:15:23 +0100 Received: from server0027.freedom2surf.net (server0011.freedom2surf.net [194.106.56.14]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3AHFKT21825 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 18:15:21 +0100 Received: from RiscPC ([195.137.41.33]) by server0027.freedom2surf.net (8.12.6/8.12.6/Debian-7) with ESMTP id h3AHFIRT002268 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 17:15:19 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 18:10:10 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] OP - Windows version Message-ID: <4be10e0a94ray@raydawson.com> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.33) POPstar/2.05 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist I just downloaded and installed the latest version of OP for Windows - 2.70 9th April - and got an error message about Applets.OverwritX and multiple definitions when I tried to load it. It seems that the installer is renaming the original Overwrite to Overwritx, but leaving it in the Applets folder. OP thinks it's a different applet, but tries to load similar information to Overwrite. Perhaps the installer should move outdated applets intead of renaming them. Cheers, Ray D -- ray@raydawson.com http://www.raydawson.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Apr 10 19:45:28 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1049999825:20:01187:39".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 19:45:28 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1049999825:20:01187:39; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 18:37:05 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2029240; 10 Apr 2003 18:36 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 193gtO-0007Ar-00; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 19:35:22 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3AIYk009932 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 19:34:46 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3AIYjX09927 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 19:34:45 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 193gsm-000GJs-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 19:34:44 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 19:33:27 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP - Windows version References: <4be10e0a94ray@raydawson.com> In-Reply-To: <4be10e0a94ray@raydawson.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Hi, >I just downloaded and installed the latest version of OP for Windows - >2.70 9th April - and got an error message about Applets.OverwritX and >multiple definitions when I tried to load it. >It seems that the installer is renaming the original Overwrite to >Overwritx, but leaving it in the Applets folder. Oops. The applet used to be called Overwritx - in fact that was a customised version, for some reason I didn't like how the release version worked on RISC OS so I had my own copy. The latest OPW has lots more applets, I've spent the last couple of weeks trying to get a reasonable set of them going. I'd be interested to hear how people like 'palette' applets like the Calculator. There is a problem in that Windows is built around parent-child windows. It's less happy with just odd windows scattered around (unlike RISC OS). So things like the calculator are now child windows of whichever window has the info palette and toolbox. That means when the info pal is not present, nor is the calculator. The position on screen is fixed, rather than being relative to the active window. Back to your problem; (1) Just open the OP folder and delete the OverwritX folder by hand. (2) Or Uninstall OPW before installing the next version. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Apr 12 01:50:52 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1050097552:10:19069:60".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 12 Apr 2003 01:50:52 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1050097552:10:19069:60; Fri, 11 Apr 2003 21:45:52 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1122736; 11 Apr 2003 21:45 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1946LA-00088U-00; Fri, 11 Apr 2003 22:45:44 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3BLj6a11021 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 11 Apr 2003 22:45:06 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3BLj5G11016 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 2003 22:45:06 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1946KX-000LzM-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 11 Apr 2003 22:45:05 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 22:43:45 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Colour separation of Artworks files in OP References: <0626e5dd4b.martin@mw-software.com> <77bWPNE$obj+Ewsu@pilling.demon.co.uk> <2c2755e04b.martin@mw-software.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >We will see about getting a fixed version of the AW applet out... OK, thanks to MW, there is a new version of the ArtWorks applet - 1.09 available now. Should sort out the over printing problems. I hope it doesn't break anything else. http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/applets/files/aw.zip -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Apr 15 19:46:19 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1050267341:10:24450:157".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 19:46:19 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1050267341:10:24450:157; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 20:55:41 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1024602; 13 Apr 2003 20:55 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 194oVb-0008Bi-00; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 21:55:27 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3DKstQ08547 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 21:54:55 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3DKsse08534 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 21:54:55 +0100 Received: from edencroft.demon.co.uk ([193.237.142.83]) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 194oV3-0004LM-0d for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 21:54:54 +0100 Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 21:56:59 +0100 (BST) From: Jeremy Subject: [softwarelist] Out of date Shared C Library. Apparently. To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Jeremy Roberts X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Been monkeying around with my collection of applets and got !Applets set up. (This is after a long period of it NOT being set up at all - I'd not absorbed the significance of that crucial mailing: to the effect that I needed to create an 'ApplStore' directory inside !Applets. Of course, I found the copy of that mailing, about three minutes AFTER discovering for myself how to sort the problem - create the ApplStore directory!) NOW when I LOAD OPro, I get a 'Shared C Library is out of date' error message. This can be cleared, and all appears to work well afterwards, so far. But can someone tell me where I can get an UP TO DATE Shared C Library, to prevent this error message, or problems caused by its lack, and indeed where to put it! Many thanks, Jeremy. -- Jeremy Roberts -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Apr 15 19:46:22 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1050269511:10:13439:115".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 19:46:22 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1050269511:10:13439:115; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 21:31:51 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1013487; 13 Apr 2003 21:31 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 194p4Z-0003Bm-00; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 22:31:35 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3DLVQd15898 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 22:31:26 +0100 Received: from mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (mta05-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.45]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3DLVMO15889 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 22:31:22 +0100 Received: from miranda.philipnet.com ([80.1.176.224]) by mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20030413213120.QEVV311.mta05-svc.ntlworld.com@miranda.philipnet.com> for ; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 22:31:20 +0100 Received: from philipnet.com (gromit.philipnet.com [192.168.1.33]) by miranda.philipnet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 231FA2BEC2 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 21:31:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from philip by philipnet.com with local (RemoteNB 1.54) for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; 13 Apr 2003 22:31:13 +0100 Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 22:31:12 +0100 From: Philip Ludlam To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Out of date Shared C Library. Apparently. Message-ID: <9172b1e24b.philip@philipnet.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (RemoteNB/1.54) (RISC-OS/4.33) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 13 Apr, in message Jeremy wrote: >Been monkeying around with my collection of applets and got !Applets >set up. (This is after a long period of it NOT being set up at all - >I'd not absorbed the significance of that crucial mailing: to the >effect that I needed to create an 'ApplStore' directory inside >!Applets. Of course, I found the copy of that mailing, about three >minutes AFTER discovering for myself how to sort the problem - create >the ApplStore directory!) > >NOW when I LOAD OPro, I get a 'Shared C Library is out of date' >error message. This can be cleared, and all appears to work well >afterwards, so far. > >But can someone tell me where I can get an UP TO DATE Shared C >Library, to prevent this error message, or problems caused by its >lack, and indeed where to put it! Where have you been? :-) http://www.iyonix.com/support/system.shtml Yours, Phil L. -- http://www.philipnet.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Apr 15 19:46:36 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1050328852:10:16217:40".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 19:46:36 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1050328852:10:16217:40; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 14:00:52 GMT Received: from [212.69.217.12] ([212.69.217.12]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1014604; 14 Apr 2003 13:59 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1954OV-0005UZ-00; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 14:53:11 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3EDqNk25287 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 14:52:23 +0100 Received: from scrabble.freeuk.net (scrabble.freeuk.net [212.126.144.6]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3EDqMH25281 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 14:52:22 +0100 Received: from du-010-0116.freeuk.com ([212.126.153.116] helo=freeuk.net) by scrabble.freeuk.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 1954Nd-000GpU-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 14:52:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Brock To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 14:52:10 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Off topic help to get on topic please! Message-ID: <4be30b4236badger.sett@freeuk.com> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Hi, I'd like to be able to upgrade to the latest version of OvnPro (and a couple of other apps), but I am having a compatability problem installing the new 32Bit !System files on my SARPC. I do a lot of file-swapping with a PC, and need the utility provided by Win95FS. The System upgrade installs without problems (using the utility included in the Zip file). However, if one or more of the conditions listed below apply when Win95FS is run (whether during the Boot sequence or after it) a window opens with the following message repeating many times, scrolling up the window: Cifs extension RISC OS type The number of repeats depends on the number of conditions listed below which are true at the time. There are many repeats for each condition which is true. Eventually the message stops repeating and scrolling and, if Win95FS is loading during the Boot sequence, it requires a mouse-click to clear it, or, if Win95FS is loaded after the Boot sequence, it disappears of its own accord. The conditions are: - the presence of !Boot.Choices.Boot.PreDesk.ModPatch.DOSFS - any of the following applications having been 'seen' by the filer MovieFS VRview PIPEDREAM IEurl ImageFS This problem occurs if any of these conditions are true, even starting with a Shift-boot and Viewfinder disabled. Although the computer appears to operate without problems after the message is cleared, I would much rather sort it all out properly. I have a SARPC 287Mhz with 96Mb RAM, 2.6Ghz Hard drive (with almost 1Ghz free) and Viewfinder. Any suggestions gratefully received. Thanks, Richard -- Richard Brock -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Apr 15 19:46:37 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1050330336:10:23639:277".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 19:46:37 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1050330336:10:23639:277; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 14:25:36 GMT Received: from [212.69.217.12] ([212.69.217.12]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1114912; 14 Apr 2003 14:24 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1954ZU-0000hw-00; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 15:04:32 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3EE4SN29488 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 15:04:28 +0100 Received: from ctb-mesg4.saix.net (ctb-mesg4.saix.net [196.25.240.76]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3EE4Qe29479 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 15:04:27 +0100 Received: from tolkien (bnb54-01-p150.nt.saix.net [155.239.180.150]) by ctb-mesg4.saix.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 7BE955EC5 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 16:04:23 +0200 (SAST) Message-ID: <000701c3028e$a032ef10$0100a8c0@tolkien> From: "Samuel Kock" To: References: <4be30b4236badger.sett@freeuk.com> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Off topic help to get on topic please! Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 16:03:27 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1123 Disposition-Notification-To: "Samuel Kock" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1123 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Richard Brock wrote: > The number of repeats depends on the number of conditions listed below > which are true at the time. There are many repeats for each condition > which is true. Eventually the message stops repeating and scrolling > and, if Win95FS is loading during the Boot sequence, it requires a > mouse-click to clear it, or, if Win95FS is loaded after the Boot > sequence, it disappears of its own accord. Hi The simplest solution is to move !Win95Fs from the Tasks directory to the predesk directory, it should stop doing that then. Samuel Kock -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Apr 15 19:47:36 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1050273413:20:00066:106".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 19:47:36 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1050273413:20:00066:106; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 22:36:53 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2001002; 13 Apr 2003 22:36 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 194q5M-0000IJ-00; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 23:36:28 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3DMZPb27895 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 23:35:25 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3DMZMX27878 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 23:35:22 +0100 Received: from bvista.demon.co.uk ([194.222.32.134]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 194q4H-0001qq-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 23:35:21 +0100 Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 23:00:06 +0100 (BST) From: "A.F. Taylor" Subject: [softwarelist] OP - Windows Version of 9 April To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net In-Reply-To: <4be10e0a94ray@raydawson.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Arthur Taylor X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist I realise that you'd probably rather not know ;-) but the latest version now crashes W95 on loading with: OVNPRO caused an invalid page fault in module OVNPRO.EXE at 0137:0054c8ad Registers: followed by a few lines of 'programming stuff' which I can post if required. This is with a 586/133 PC card, running W95 OSR2.4 (I think?) in 256 (or 32k) colours. Regards, -- Arthur Taylor, Poole, Dorset -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Apr 15 19:47:44 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1050330190:20:24910:89".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 19:47:44 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1050330190:20:24910:89; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 14:23:10 GMT Received: from [212.69.217.12] ([212.69.217.12]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ad2118298; 14 Apr 2003 14:22 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1954p8-0002Gd-00; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 15:20:42 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3EEKbb01693 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 15:20:37 +0100 Received: from scrabble.freeuk.net (scrabble.freeuk.net [212.126.144.6]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3EEKa401688 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 15:20:36 +0100 Received: from du-010-0248.freeuk.com ([212.126.153.248] helo=freeuk.net) by scrabble.freeuk.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 1954oz-000Hn1-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 15:20:36 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Brock To: Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 15:20:02 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Off topic help to get on topic please! Message-ID: <4be30dcf10badger.sett@freeuk.com> In-Reply-To: <000701c3028e$a032ef10$0100a8c0@tolkien> References: <4be30b4236badger.sett@freeuk.com> <000701c3028e$a032ef10$0100a8c0@tolkien> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article <000701c3028e$a032ef10$0100a8c0@tolkien>, Samuel Kock wrote: > The simplest solution is to move !Win95Fs from the Tasks directory to > the predesk directory, it should stop doing that then. > Samuel Kock Thanks for the suggestion Samuel. I just tried it, but unfortunately the scrolling messages still appear... Richard -- Richard Brock -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Apr 15 19:47:45 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1050330784:20:08019:63".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 19:47:45 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1050330784:20:08019:63; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 14:33:04 GMT Received: from [212.69.217.12] ([212.69.217.12]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ax2007094; 14 Apr 2003 14:31 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1954sa-0002h2-00; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 15:24:16 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3EEODZ02586 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 15:24:13 +0100 Received: from ctb-mesg1.saix.net (ctb-mesg1.saix.net [196.25.240.73]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3EEOB002580 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 15:24:12 +0100 Received: from tolkien (bnb54-01-p150.nt.saix.net [155.239.180.150]) by ctb-mesg1.saix.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 8D3D01710 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 16:24:06 +0200 (SAST) Message-ID: <006401c30291$62873f10$0100a8c0@tolkien> From: "Samuel Kock" To: References: <4be30b4236badger.sett@freeuk.com> <000701c3028e$a032ef10$0100a8c0@tolkien> <4be30dcf10badger.sett@freeuk.com> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Off topic help to get on topic please! Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 16:23:10 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1123 Disposition-Notification-To: "Samuel Kock" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1123 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Richard Brock wrote: > Thanks for the suggestion Samuel. I just tried it, but unfortunately > the scrolling messages still appear... > > Richard Weird, it worked when I did it. THere is something elseyou can try, I would just have to go and check quickly on our RPC... Samuel -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Apr 15 19:47:45 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1050331314:20:17893:110".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 19:47:45 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1050331314:20:17893:110; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 14:41:54 GMT Received: from [212.69.217.12] ([212.69.217.12]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2018233; 14 Apr 2003 14:41 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1954zQ-0000bq-00; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 15:31:20 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3EEVEr05330 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 15:31:14 +0100 Received: from smtp1.keele.netcentral.co.uk (smtp1.keele.netcentral.co.uk [212.57.235.194]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3EEVCl05306 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 15:31:12 +0100 Received: from brunel ([212.57.229.117]) by smtp1.keele.netcentral.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA22508 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 15:25:48 +0100 From: "Malcolm Knight" To: Subject: RE: [softwarelist] Off topic help to get on topic please! Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 15:32:20 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <006401c30291$62873f10$0100a8c0@tolkien> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist > -----Original Message----- > From: > [mailto:owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net]On Behalf Of Samuel Kock > Sent: 14 April 2003 15:23 > To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net > Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Off topic help to get on topic please! > > > Richard Brock wrote: > > > Thanks for the suggestion Samuel. I just tried it, but unfortunately > > the scrolling messages still appear... > > > > Richard > > Weird, it worked when I did it. THere is something elseyou can > try, I would > just have to go and check quickly on our RPC... > > Samuel Is there any chance you could stop demanding read receipts for each and every posting you make Samuel, surely you don't need to know that I have read your message? Malcolm -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Apr 15 19:50:45 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1050355847:20:13511:41".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 19:50:45 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1050355847:20:13511:41; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 21:30:47 GMT Received: from [212.69.217.12] ([212.69.217.12]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2126564; 14 Apr 2003 21:29 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 195BWG-0004Fl-00; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 22:29:40 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3ELSop23661 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 22:28:50 +0100 Received: from mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (mta02-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.42]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3ELSlS23648 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 22:28:48 +0100 Received: from miranda.philipnet.com ([80.1.176.119]) by mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20030414212841.OMBC9882.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@miranda.philipnet.com>; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 22:28:41 +0100 Received: from philipnet.com (gromit.philipnet.com [192.168.1.33]) by miranda.philipnet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13DD22BEC2; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 21:28:22 +0000 (GMT) Received: from philip by philipnet.com with local (RemoteNB 1.54); 14 Apr 2003 22:28:16 +0100 Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 22:28:16 +0100 From: Philip Ludlam To: root@edencroft.demon.co.uk Cc: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Out of date Shared C Library. Apparently. Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (RemoteNB/1.54) (RISC-OS/4.33) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 14 Apr, in message root wrote: >On Sun 13 Apr, Philip Ludlam wrote: >> >> On 13 Apr, in message >> Jeremy wrote: [snip] >> >NOW when I LOAD OPro, I get a 'Shared C Library is out of date' >> >error message. This can be cleared, and all appears to work well >> >afterwards, so far. >> > >> >But can someone tell me where I can get an UP TO DATE Shared C >> >Library, to prevent this error message, or problems caused by its >> >lack, and indeed where to put it! >> >> http://www.iyonix.com/support/system.shtml > >Thanks for this - unfortunately, that page doesn't seem to exist at >the moment on the Iyonix website, as far as I can see :-( Try: http://www.iyonix.com/32bit/system.shtml I must have noted it down wrongly. It's a shame that Castle don't put a link to it on their front page. P.S. Please keep this to the mailing list. Yours, Phil L. -- http://www.philipnet.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Apr 15 19:50:59 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1050425461:20:01469:51".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 19:50:59 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1050425461:20:01469:51; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 16:51:01 GMT Received: from [212.69.217.12] ([212.69.217.12]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2109225; 15 Apr 2003 16:49 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 195TPR-0003v6-00; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 17:35:49 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3FGZDt18354 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 17:35:13 +0100 Received: from scrabble.freeuk.net (scrabble.freeuk.net [212.126.144.6]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3FGZC618347 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 17:35:12 +0100 Received: from du-010-0022.freeuk.com ([212.126.153.22] helo=freeuk.net) by scrabble.freeuk.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 195TOo-000DSh-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 17:35:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Brock To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 17:35:07 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Off topic help to get on topic please! Message-ID: <4be39e0303badger.sett@freeuk.com> In-Reply-To: <4be30b4236badger.sett@freeuk.com> References: <4be30b4236badger.sett@freeuk.com> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article <4be30b4236badger.sett@freeuk.com>, Richard Brock wrote: > I'd like to be able to upgrade to the latest version of OvnPro (and a > couple of other apps), but I am having a compatability problem > installing the new 32Bit !System files on my SARPC. Just to close this thread, Samuel Kock has given me the information I needed to solve the compatability problems. Thanks Richard -- Richard Brock -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Apr 15 22:55:55 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1050443385:10:25065:41".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 22:55:55 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1050443385:10:25065:41; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 21:49:45 GMT Received: from [212.69.217.12] ([212.69.217.12]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1102585; 15 Apr 2003 21:49 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 195YIT-00023K-00; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 22:48:57 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3FLm5l24902 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 22:48:05 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3FLm0v24879 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 22:48:01 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 195YHX-000Ido-0V for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 22:47:59 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 22:46:48 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP - Windows Version of 9 April References: <4be10e0a94ray@raydawson.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >I realise that you'd probably rather not know ;-) but the latest version now >crashes W95 on loading with: Thanks for letting me know. I didn't know that. Lazy... I had not checked if it worked on W95. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Apr 15 23:35:57 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1050445624:10:29511:39".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 23:35:57 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1050445624:10:29511:39; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 22:27:04 GMT Received: from [212.69.217.12] ([212.69.217.12]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1114264; 15 Apr 2003 22:25 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 195YsF-0000Kv-00; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 23:25:55 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3FMPk132275 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 23:25:46 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3FMPkL32272 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 23:25:46 +0100 Received: from fergusn.demon.co.uk ([62.49.16.238] helo=riscpc) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 195Ys6-0008zU-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 23:25:46 +0100 Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 23:19:45 +0100 From: John Ferguson To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP - Windows Version of 9 April Message-ID: <4BE3BD909B%john@fergusn.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS X-Editor: Zap 1.45 (06 Nov 2002), ZapEmail 0.26 (03 Nov 2002) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.68a User-Agent: POPstar/2.05 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article David Pilling wrote: > >I realise that you'd probably rather not know ;-) but the latest version now > >crashes W95 on loading with: > > Thanks for letting me know. I didn't know that. Lazy... I had not > checked if it worked on W95. I just checked with W95 (4.00.950a) on my PC card and it doesn't crash on loading. John -- John Ferguson Taunton, Somerset, England mailto:john@fergusn.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Apr 16 02:46:07 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1050457470:10:22392:45".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 02:46:07 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1050457470:10:22392:45; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 01:44:30 GMT Received: from [212.69.217.12] ([212.69.217.12]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1022246; 16 Apr 2003 1:44 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 195bxr-0002A2-00; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 02:43:56 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3G1fat27232 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 02:41:36 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3G1fXP27226 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 02:41:35 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 195bvY-000KAk-0X for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 02:41:32 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 02:40:21 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP - Windows Version of 9 April References: <4BE3BD909B%john@fergusn.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4BE3BD909B%john@fergusn.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >I just checked with W95 (4.00.950a) on my PC card and it doesn't crash on >loading. I've now tried it on my version of W95 and it works OK. (running on 'real' PC hardware). -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Apr 16 21:57:19 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1050526401:20:25921:225".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 21:57:19 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1050526401:20:25921:225; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 20:53:21 GMT Received: from smtp-gw.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.216.132]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2027634; 16 Apr 2003 20:52 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 195tt5-0004w5-00; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 21:52:11 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3GKpRF25593 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 21:51:27 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3GKpRn25590 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 21:51:27 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 195qqv-0006Du-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 18:37:45 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 18:36:08 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Windows version printing References: <4BE3BD909B%john@fergusn.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >Subject: Windows version printing >To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk >From: Angus Mackenzie >Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 09:14:17 +0100 I use Windows Me when I have to. I have two printers set up on the network, one directly connected to the PC and another on a print server box. Most windows programs give me the opportunity to select an alternative to the default printer but Ovation Pro does not; there is only the one listed in the drop down menu. I can't think what other information would be helpful. Also after maximising the window I seem to have lost the text effects toolbox from the bottom when I shrink it again. I presume it stays off the screen. Is there an easy way of locating it? -- Angus A Mackenzie angus@romsley.demon.co.uk Consultant Anaesthetist Risc PC User -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Apr 16 23:37:22 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1050532558:10:23559:50".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 23:37:22 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1050532558:10:23559:50; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 22:35:58 GMT Received: from smtp-gw.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.216.132]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1117683; 16 Apr 2003 22:35 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 195vUf-00018x-00; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 23:35:05 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3GIfnO29029 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 19:41:49 +0100 Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3GIflg29023 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 19:41:48 +0100 Received: from [213.116.52.79] (helo=RiscPC) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 195rqc-0001Eg-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 19:41:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 17:55:39 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP - Windows Version of 9 April Message-ID: <4be423ba7csteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4BE3BD909B%john@fergusn.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.05-a1 (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.04-pre1 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 16 Apr, David Pilling wrote: > >I just checked with W95 (4.00.950a) on my PC card and it doesn't crash on > >loading. > I've now tried it on my version of W95 and it works OK. (running on > 'real' PC hardware). check the revision number of W95. The service pack version fixed a *lot* of problems (missed a load more but it is MS we're talking about) -- What kind of insanity destroys fields to replace what already exists? Stop Rugby Airport now before it's too late... Steve Pampling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Apr 17 01:17:27 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1050538084:20:11980:50".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 01:17:27 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1050538084:20:11980:50; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 00:08:04 GMT Received: from smtp-gw.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.216.132]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2126730; 17 Apr 2003 0:07 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 195wvr-0000yp-00; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 01:07:15 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3H06Rg29494 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 01:06:27 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3H06Qu29491 for ; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 01:06:27 +0100 Received: from bvista.demon.co.uk ([194.222.32.134]) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 195uhi-0005Ga-0d for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 22:44:30 +0100 Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 19:39:52 +0100 (BST) From: "A.F. Taylor" Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP - Windows Version of 9 April To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Arthur Taylor X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In on Wed 16 Apr, David Pilling wrote: > >I just checked with W95 (4.00.950a) on my PC card and it doesn't crash on > >loading. > > I've now tried it on my version of W95 and it works OK. (running on > 'real' PC hardware). > "Oh dear" - or words to that effect. I did download it a second time, reinstalled and tried again - with the same result :-( I'll have another try, but I admit I know very little about windows (lucky me). Anyway, sorry for wasting (both) your time, Regards, -- Arthur Taylor, Poole, Dorset -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Apr 17 01:37:28 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1050539507:20:15969:189".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 01:37:28 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1050539507:20:15969:189; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 00:31:47 GMT Received: from smtp-gw.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.216.132]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2016405; 17 Apr 2003 0:31 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 195xIx-0004al-00; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 01:31:07 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3H0UsD32697 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 01:30:54 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3H0Upu32688 for ; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 01:30:52 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 195xIg-0009we-0W for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 01:30:50 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 01:29:39 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP - Windows Version of 9 April References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >"Oh dear" - or words to that effect. I did download it a second time, >reinstalled and tried again - with the same result :-( I'll have another >try, but I admit I know very little about windows (lucky me). There's scope no doubt for legitimate problems e.g. I'm assuming Windows supports some feature, but your copy doesn't have it installed. Obviously OP shouldn't crash. OTOH Windows (9X vintage) does seem to get tied in knots occasionally. Perhaps just wait for the next version of OP, the bug may go away, -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Apr 30 21:38:50 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1051735119:10:05747:53".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 21:38:50 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1051735119:10:05747:53; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 20:38:39 GMT Received: from smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.32]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1004464; 30 Apr 2003 20:37 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19AyKQ-0008M2-00; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 21:37:22 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3UKZkd07150 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 21:35:46 +0100 Received: from cerberus.uk.clara.net (cerberus.uk.clara.net [195.8.69.103]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3UKZks07117 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 21:35:46 +0100 Received: from du-069-0033.access.clara.net ([217.158.132.33] helo=clara.net) by cerberus.uk.clara.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19AyIn-000DQr-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 21:35:42 +0100 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 20:35:22 GMT From: charles To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] OvationPro 2.70 - write protecting frames Message-ID: X-Organization: home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (MsgServe/2.02) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by spellings.dsvr.co.uk id h3UKZks07146 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Have a friend and I re-invented the wheel or have we stumbled across something of general application? In editting a small magazine we have a number of text frameas with names and numbers which don't change from issue to issue... Unless I slip in an un-noticed keystroke which neatly forces the personnel out of the frame, into oblivion. How could I stop this happening? We devised the following method:- draw a small frame over frame to be protected; turn Object>Text Flow> text runaround to none; make small frame transparent (object >modify>fill colour>transparent) run !Artworks and open a blank !Artworks page, and save that into the small frame, forcing it to become a picture frame; adjust small frame to almost completely match original frame, leaving sufcient un-covered to enable selection of both frames, and Group frames (Control Shift K) We shall feel quietly content with this workaround, until someone gently tells us that there is a neater way, or directs us to page so-and-so of the manual! Charles -- RiscOS4 OvationPro ROUGOL ProCAD+ http://www.zynet.co.uk/dsnell tel 020 8949 0708 - Mob 079 5620 0176 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Apr 30 22:08:53 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1051736809:10:29962:110".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 22:08:53 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1051736809:10:29962:110; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 21:06:49 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.30]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1125397; 30 Apr 2003 21:05 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19AykF-0000ak-00; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 22:04:03 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3UL3HX24863 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 22:03:17 +0100 Received: from mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (mta06-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.46]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3UL3G724842 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 22:03:17 +0100 Received: from gwen ([80.5.185.42]) by mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20030430210316.TLSN12018.mta06-svc.ntlworld.com@gwen> for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 22:03:16 +0100 From: "Nick Kaijaks" To: Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvationPro 2.70 - write protecting frames Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 22:03:16 +0100 Message-ID: <000001c30f5b$ebc199c0$3300a8c0@gwen> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Charles wrote: > Have a friend and I re-invented the wheel or have we stumbled > across something of general application? > > We shall feel quietly content with this workaround, until > someone gently tells us that there is a neater way, or > directs us to page so-and-so of the manual! You can't help feeling there ought to be a neater way, but I suspect it could be a bit of a can of worms for Mr P to program. There is a 'lock' tickbox in the 'Object > Modify text frame' dialogue, which removes the grab handles to stop you moving the frame, but it doesn't stop you editing its contents. Nor, incidentally, does it stop you changing the parameters in the dialogue! So, I could suggest that it might be nice to have separate tickboxes for 'Lock contents' and 'Lock handles' here. But then, I can conceive of some icky scenarios. For example, what should happen if text was flowing through a series of linked frames, one of which was 'locked'? What if I changed the parameters of the style of the text I've locked? The first question would be answered by calling it something like 'Lock from text edits', which stops the frame from accepting the caret (or drag and drop events etc), but this wouldn't stop the text disappearing from your small box if you edited the style to make its font size 600pt. Maybe the answer is to have 'Lock from text edits', to prevent the caret focusing on the frame, but have the tickbox greyed out (and the option implicitly turned off) if you link the frame to another one. TTFN, Nick -- Dr Nick Kaijaks, Pinxit Design - Information Design for Internet and print http://www.kaijaks.co.uk/ mailto:nick@kaijaks.co.uk Disclaimer: caveat internettor -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Apr 30 22:08:54 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1051736912:20:14846:75".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 22:08:54 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1051736912:20:14846:75; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 21:08:32 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.30]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2107391; 30 Apr 2003 21:07 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19Ayn5-0000w5-00; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 22:06:59 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3UL6Dn30452 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 22:06:13 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3UL6D430411 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 22:06:13 +0100 Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([158.152.204.98]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 19AymK-0003B8-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 22:06:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 22:02:01 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvationPro 2.70 - write protecting frames Message-ID: <4beb6ffca5john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.03g (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 30 Apr, charles wrote: > Have a friend and I re-invented the wheel or have we stumbled across > something of general application? > In editting a small magazine we have a number of text frameas with names > and numbers which don't change from issue to issue... > Unless I slip in an un-noticed keystroke which neatly forces the > personnel out of the frame, into oblivion. > How could I stop this happening? [Snip] Why not put the unchanged details on the master page? Or am I missing something? -- John Cartmell john@cartmell.demon.co.uk FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 Acorn Publisher magazine & FD Games www.acornpublisher.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Apr 30 22:18:47 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1051736940:10:03839:155".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 22:18:47 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1051736940:10:03839:155; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 21:09:00 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.31]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1004469; 30 Apr 2003 21:08 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19Aynx-00020w-00; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 22:07:53 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3UL7Bp32333 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 22:07:11 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3UL7Aa32326 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 22:07:10 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19AynG-0006Mi-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 22:07:10 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 22:05:34 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvationPro 2.70 - write protecting frames References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >We shall feel quietly content with this workaround, until someone gently >tells us that there is a neater way, or directs us to page so-and-so of >the manual! Yes, very good a 'read only' text frame. There is another way to get one of those, that is using a master page frame. Obviously the downside is that such a frame appears on every page in a section. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu May 1 01:48:58 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1051749810:20:25988:40".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 1 May 2003 01:48:58 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1051749810:20:25988:40; Thu, 01 May 2003 00:43:30 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.30]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2104050; 1 May 2003 0:42 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19B29q-0004pX-00; Thu, 01 May 2003 01:42:42 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h410g5v13296 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 1 May 2003 01:42:05 +0100 Received: from snowy.kiwilink.co.nz (snowy.kiwilink.co.nz [202.27.215.2]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h410g3E13224 for ; Thu, 1 May 2003 01:42:04 +0100 Received: from rpc.OFFICE (ip219-88-211-20.kc.net.nz [219.88.211.20]) by snowy.kiwilink.co.nz (Postfix) with SMTP id AF8F5172594 for ; Thu, 1 May 2003 12:44:51 +1200 (NZST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tim King To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 12:43:07 +1200 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvationPro 2.70 - write protecting frames Message-ID: <4beb843ab6tim@de-sig.co.nz> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article , David Pilling wrote: > >We shall feel quietly content with this workaround, until someone gently > >tells us that there is a neater way, > Yes, very good a 'read only' text frame. There's merit in that. As Charles describes it, and for his specific problem, I'd be tempted to insert the text via an AW file or whatever from the outset. Since the text never changes, it'd save all that fluffing around with multiple frames and grouping and transparency... Tim -- Tim King... de-Sign. +64 9 478.3114 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu May 1 02:18:58 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1051751348:20:07849:80".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 1 May 2003 02:18:58 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1051751348:20:07849:80; Thu, 01 May 2003 01:09:08 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk ([212.69.217.30]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2110266; 1 May 2003 1:09 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19B2ZE-0007FW-00; Thu, 01 May 2003 02:08:56 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4118oj28259 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 1 May 2003 02:08:50 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h4118nk28222 for ; Thu, 1 May 2003 02:08:49 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 19B2Z7-0001rY-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 01 May 2003 02:08:49 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 02:07:35 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvationPro 2.70 - write protecting frames References: <4beb843ab6tim@de-sig.co.nz> In-Reply-To: <4beb843ab6tim@de-sig.co.nz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >As Charles describes it, and for his specific problem, I'd be tempted >to insert the text via an AW file or whatever from the outset. Since >the text never changes, it'd save all that fluffing around with >multiple frames and grouping and transparency... It is possible to have empty picture frames, which would save you the AW file and potential problems (no AW applet on the Windows version). How would you make an empty picture frame? Not easy. Load an Ovation 1.XX document with one in. Or perhaps edit the DDL form of a document to remove the picture data after the picture frame definition. Once you've got your empty frame you can copy it. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net