From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Mar 1 13:34:34 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1046521393:10:16067:57".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 1 Mar 2003 13:34:34 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1046521393:10:16067:57; Sat, 01 Mar 2003 12:23:13 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1116543; 1 Mar 2003 12:22 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18p602-0002VX-00; Sat, 01 Mar 2003 12:21:54 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h21CLM214526 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 1 Mar 2003 12:21:22 GMT Received: from blueyonder.co.uk (pcow034o.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.53.122]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h21CLLb14514 for ; Sat, 1 Mar 2003 12:21:21 GMT Received: from ace ([62.30.102.122]) by blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Sat, 1 Mar 2003 12:23:25 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: VinceH To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2003 12:04:34 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvnPro on WinME Message-ID: <4bcc58a05aextsubs@softrock.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <974746cc4b.john@xl-cambridge.com> References: <2rnJKyLj7BY+Ew1A@pilling.demon.co.uk> <974746cc4b.john@xl-cambridge.com> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.29) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article <974746cc4b.john@xl-cambridge.com>, John Pettigrew wrote: > In a previous message, David Pilling wrote: > > > Are you planning to adopt the Windows style multiple > > > document windows within one application window? > > It may come to that. > I'd avoid it if I was you. Even MS Word has moved away from > that and now (since Word2000) has a separate window for each > document - although these are all loaded by a single instance > of Word. Although, oddly I think, there is still a close icon for what used to be the inner window. If you click this in your only Word document, you can close the file and leave a blank (no file) Word loaded - but click it in any secondary windows, and the window itself closes. I can see why that is - so that when you close the only (or last) document, Word is still loaded to allow you to start or open another. It just feels inconsistent. > The only modern programs that I'm aware of the still > use the single-window approach are web browsers, and they have > reinterpreted this into a tabbed window - a common toolbar at > the top (and status bar at the bottom), with each document > window in a separate tab of that main window. Some accounts packages also do this for seperate modules and entry/report screens within the package (Sales Ledger, Purchase Ledger, and so on). VinceH -- VinceH can be found in the vicinity of http://www.vinceh.com Soft Rock Software can be found around http://www.softrock.co.uk WebChange2 for RISC OS & Windows is at http://www.webchange.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Mar 1 13:34:34 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1046521763:10:26384:51".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 1 Mar 2003 13:34:34 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1046521763:10:26384:51; Sat, 01 Mar 2003 12:29:23 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1025889; 1 Mar 2003 12:28 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18p66Y-0006vv-00; Sat, 01 Mar 2003 12:28:38 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h21CSb515753 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 1 Mar 2003 12:28:37 GMT Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h21CSa715749 for ; Sat, 1 Mar 2003 12:28:36 GMT Received: from south-frm.demon.co.uk ([80.177.26.219] helo=dormant) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 18p66W-0006FO-0d for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 01 Mar 2003 12:28:36 +0000 Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2003 12:27:59 GMT From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvnPro on WinME Message-ID: <1ec55acc4b.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> References: <2rnJKyLj7BY+Ew1A@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <2rnJKyLj7BY+Ew1A@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (MsgServe/2.02) (RISC-OS/4.33) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message <2rnJKyLj7BY+Ew1A@pilling.demon.co.uk> David Pilling wrote: > > Are you planning to adopt the Windows style multiple document > > windows within one application window? > > It may come to that. > > As I said, the program is going to set off close to the RISC OS version, > and move away to more standard Windows behaviour. > > For the moment I have serious issues to confront, fiddling with cosmetic > matters can wait. Although it will have to be done (as you say) to make > the program appeal to Windows users. Would they notice the difference? Might they not just like the new method? -- Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org For a patchwork of bygones: http://powys.org -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Mar 1 13:34:35 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1046507243:20:27948:52".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 1 Mar 2003 13:34:35 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1046507243:20:27948:52; Sat, 01 Mar 2003 08:27:23 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2027616; 1 Mar 2003 8:26 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18p2KF-0001Sy-00; Sat, 01 Mar 2003 08:26:31 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h218Pnt11511 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 1 Mar 2003 08:25:49 GMT Received: from mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.37]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h218Pmj11508 for ; Sat, 1 Mar 2003 08:25:49 GMT Received: from [62.64.238.30] (helo=tiscali) by mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 18p2JN-0004Zu-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 01 Mar 2003 08:25:41 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2003 08:27:24 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Throwbacks - MultipleDefs - Not Cured Message-ID: <4bcc44be7edfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: References: <431750c54b.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> <0c5bcfc54b.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> <9eb9e9c64b.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> <75e82dc74b.martin@mw-software.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.02e (RISC-OS/4.33) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article , David Pilling wrote: > That should produce a working copy of OP, the rest you can throw away. > Particularly Rob Clarks Applet manager. > ("oooh just because you didn't write it...") Pleeze Mister, can I ask a question...? As I use the said Applet manager, why do I need to get rid of it. Thanks Dave S -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Mar 1 13:34:37 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1046508326:20:23513:41".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 1 Mar 2003 13:34:37 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1046508326:20:23513:41; Sat, 01 Mar 2003 08:45:26 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2022229; 1 Mar 2003 8:44 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18p2bU-0003ip-00; Sat, 01 Mar 2003 08:44:20 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h218iHm13568 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 1 Mar 2003 08:44:17 GMT Received: from mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (mta05-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.45]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h218iHw13563 for ; Sat, 1 Mar 2003 08:44:17 GMT Received: from riscpc.at.home ([81.96.73.120]) by mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20030301084416.MTEH2341.mta05-svc.ntlworld.com@riscpc.at.home> for ; Sat, 1 Mar 2003 08:44:16 +0000 Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2003 08:44:11 GMT From: John Pettigrew To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvnPro on WinME Message-ID: <974746cc4b.john@xl-cambridge.com> References: <2rnJKyLj7BY+Ew1A@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <2rnJKyLj7BY+Ew1A@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: XL Cambridge User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (MsgServe/2.02S) (RISC-OS/4.02) X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In a previous message, David Pilling wrote: > > Are you planning to adopt the Windows style multiple document windows > > within one application window? > > It may come to that. I'd avoid it if I was you. Even MS Word has moved away from that and now (since Word2000) has a separate window for each document - although these are all loaded by a single instance of Word. The only modern programs that I'm aware of the still use the single-window approach are web browsers, and they have reinterpreted this into a tabbed window - a common toolbar at the top (and status bar at the bottom), with each document window in a separate tab of that main window. John -- John Pettigrew Headstrong Games john@headstrong-games.co.uk Fun : Strategy : Price http://www.headstrong-games.co.uk/ Board games that won't break the bank Fields of Valour: 2 Norse clans battle on one of 3 different boards -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Mar 1 13:34:41 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1046521648:20:08783:152".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 1 Mar 2003 13:34:41 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1046521648:20:08783:152; Sat, 01 Mar 2003 12:27:28 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2102336; 1 Mar 2003 12:27 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18p659-0003vQ-00; Sat, 01 Mar 2003 12:27:11 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h21CR8x15548 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 1 Mar 2003 12:27:08 GMT Received: from mk-smarthost-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.40]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h21CR8Y15542 for ; Sat, 1 Mar 2003 12:27:08 GMT Received: from [62.64.209.234] (helo=tiscali) by mk-smarthost-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 18p66k-0002Mg-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 01 Mar 2003 12:28:51 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2003 12:27:36 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] OP - Windows version Message-ID: <4bcc5abc1adfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.02e (RISC-OS/4.33) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist A Printing Q. I can print out of Win OvPro to a Laser printer (HP5P) via the PC printer port okay... (There is small issue but not important ATM). Connected to the USB port is another printer (Epson Stylus Photo 915) This is set as the default printer. I want to print an OvPro doc to the USB printer. Click print. The OvPro print window presents itself. Click Print. The print job appears in the 915 printer status window for a couple of seconds, then vanishes without the document/job printing. Other apps, Word, Textpad etc etc... all print okay to the USB printer. Questions, questions... Can OvPro print to the USB port? If it already can... What am I missing? Cheers and thanks Dave S PS: Anyone thinking of getting a printer for printing photographs should consider looking at the Epson 9nn series. I've seen quite a lot of computer printer generated photos in recent years, and I have to say the output quality of the 9 series is really impressive. And I'm Mr Grumpy sod, rarely satisfied with anything. I digress, sorry. D. -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Mar 1 13:54:26 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1046526728:20:01757:65".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 1 Mar 2003 13:54:26 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1046526728:20:01757:65; Sat, 01 Mar 2003 13:52:08 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2001853; 1 Mar 2003 13:51 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18p7P1-0004aj-00; Sat, 01 Mar 2003 13:51:47 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h21DpeC30230 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 1 Mar 2003 13:51:40 GMT Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h21DpeO30226 for ; Sat, 1 Mar 2003 13:51:40 GMT Received: from worthy.demon.co.uk ([62.49.21.99] helo=worthy) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 18p7Ot-0001qO-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 01 Mar 2003 13:51:39 +0000 Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2003 13:51:35 GMT From: Tim Howarth To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] Macro/script to tweak frame borders Message-ID: <6d6c62cc4b.tim@worthy.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (MsgServe/2.02) (RISC-OS/4.29) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Knowing nothing about OP's scripting, does anyone know if exists a script to traverse a document and change frame border widths ? (To set converted impdocs to "thin" borders.) -- ___ |im ---- ARM Powered ---- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Mar 1 13:54:26 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1046526860:20:05154:39".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 1 Mar 2003 13:54:26 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1046526860:20:05154:39; Sat, 01 Mar 2003 13:54:20 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2003794; 1 Mar 2003 13:53 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18p7QO-0005ml-00; Sat, 01 Mar 2003 13:53:12 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h21Dr7730467 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 1 Mar 2003 13:53:07 GMT Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h21Dr7r30464 for ; Sat, 1 Mar 2003 13:53:07 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 18p7QJ-00021x-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 01 Mar 2003 13:53:07 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 13:51:40 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP - Windows version References: <4bcc5abc1adfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4bcc5abc1adfs@ukgateway.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >Questions, questions... >Can OvPro print to the USB port? >If it already can... What am I missing? I can't think of any reason why not. Aside from the obvious thing of USB/parallel port differences, there may be other differences e.g. all the printer preferences/settings. It might be interesting to turn on printer margins and see if anything is actually being printed. You could perhaps open the status window for the USB and observe the size of output generated. There could still be bugs in printer output, sort of test there is to try printing different things. Or select the USB printer, but use the print to file button (expanded print window) and see how big a file you can capture - compare to similar output from other programs. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Mar 1 13:54:27 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1046526489:10:27557:91".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 1 Mar 2003 13:54:27 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1046526489:10:27557:91; Sat, 01 Mar 2003 13:48:09 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1027343; 1 Mar 2003 13:47 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18p7L8-0003hX-00; Sat, 01 Mar 2003 13:47:46 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h21Dl7A29509 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 1 Mar 2003 13:47:07 GMT Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h21Dl6729504 for ; Sat, 1 Mar 2003 13:47:06 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 18p7KU-0000Um-0d for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 01 Mar 2003 13:47:06 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 13:45:36 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Throwbacks - MultipleDefs - Not Cured References: <431750c54b.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> <0c5bcfc54b.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> <9eb9e9c64b.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> <75e82dc74b.martin@mw-software.com> <4bcc44be7edfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4bcc44be7edfs@ukgateway.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >As I use the said Applet manager, why do I need to get rid of it. You don't. In fact Alex may not need to either, but reading the description of his problems I felt that things were a lot more confusing than they needed to be. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Mar 1 14:14:27 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1046527735:20:23448:57".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 1 Mar 2003 14:14:27 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1046527735:20:23448:57; Sat, 01 Mar 2003 14:08:55 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2023681; 1 Mar 2003 14:08 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18p7fH-0000Gd-00; Sat, 01 Mar 2003 14:08:35 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h21E8Wl01056 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 1 Mar 2003 14:08:32 GMT Received: from mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (mta07-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.47]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h21E8Wf01051 for ; Sat, 1 Mar 2003 14:08:32 GMT Received: from THOMAS ([80.0.181.39]) by mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20030301140831.QROO3191.mta07-svc.ntlworld.com@THOMAS> for ; Sat, 1 Mar 2003 14:08:31 +0000 Message-ID: <000801c2dffc$08adb670$27b50050@THOMAS> From: "Norman Thomas" To: References: <4bcc5abc1adfs@ukgateway.net> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP - Windows version Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 14:08:28 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist > >Questions, questions... > >Can OvPro print to the USB port? > I can't think of any reason why not. > I have had no difficulty printing via a USB port here - Athlon 1800, WinXP Home Norman Thomas -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Mar 1 14:24:29 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1046528135:20:02558:51".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 1 Mar 2003 14:24:29 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1046528135:20:02558:51; Sat, 01 Mar 2003 14:15:35 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2002206; 1 Mar 2003 14:15 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18p7lg-0000OB-00; Sat, 01 Mar 2003 14:15:12 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h21EF9t02094 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 1 Mar 2003 14:15:09 GMT Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h21EF9m02091 for ; Sat, 1 Mar 2003 14:15:09 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18p7lc-000M8h-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 01 Mar 2003 14:15:09 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 14:13:39 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Macro/script to tweak frame borders References: <6d6c62cc4b.tim@worthy.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <6d6c62cc4b.tim@worthy.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >Knowing nothing about OP's scripting, does anyone know if exists a >script to traverse a document and change frame border widths ? Yes, No. Save as DDL, load into text editor, make change, save, reload? -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Mar 1 15:54:32 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1046533979:20:07618:99".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 1 Mar 2003 15:54:32 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1046533979:20:07618:99; Sat, 01 Mar 2003 15:52:59 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2007688; 1 Mar 2003 15:52 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18p9Hs-0004bg-00; Sat, 01 Mar 2003 15:52:32 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h21FpsS19111 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 1 Mar 2003 15:51:54 GMT Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h21FprZ19108 for ; Sat, 1 Mar 2003 15:51:53 GMT Received: from [62.188.108.235] (helo=golden.argonet.co.uk) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 18p9Gu-0004Tf-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 01 Mar 2003 15:51:39 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Favre To: OvationPro Mail List Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 16:01:43 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Side by side printing Message-ID: <4bcbea8088rayfavre@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4bcb984b02barry@e-allen.co.uk> References: <4bca5393b0rayfavre@argonet.co.uk> <4bcb93d39drayfavre@argonet.co.uk> <4bcb984b02barry@e-allen.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.33) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article <4bcb984b02barry@e-allen.co.uk>, Barry E Allen wrote: > In article <4bcb93d39drayfavre@argonet.co.uk>, Ray Favre > wrote: > > I can't help but feel a right berk. > I wonder if you know where the word 'berk' comes from? Would you be > embarrassed if you knew? I am lead to believe that it is Cockney > Rhyming slang. 'Berk'ley Hunt :o))) No I didn't know - and how could I be more embarrassed than I am at the moment!? I'm content to be called that also (at the moment, anyway!). -- Regards from Ray Favre. Home of books "Starting Basic" and "Dr Wimp's Surgery" and support of the Dr Wimp freeware package. Web site at: -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Mar 1 16:34:33 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1046536337:10:16153:44".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 1 Mar 2003 16:34:33 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1046536337:10:16153:44; Sat, 01 Mar 2003 16:32:17 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1015788; 1 Mar 2003 16:31 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18p9tp-0008GO-00; Sat, 01 Mar 2003 16:31:45 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h21GVbC26069 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 1 Mar 2003 16:31:37 GMT Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h21GVbU26066 for ; Sat, 1 Mar 2003 16:31:37 GMT Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18p9tg-0003tJ-0Y for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 01 Mar 2003 16:31:36 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2003 15:57:06 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvnPro on WinME Message-ID: <4bcc6dea11Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <1ec55acc4b.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> References: <2rnJKyLj7BY+Ew1A@pilling.demon.co.uk> <1ec55acc4b.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.02f (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article <1ec55acc4b.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk>, Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: > Would they notice the difference? Might they not just like the new > method? I dare say one can argue this umpteen ways, but it seems to me that the market for OP on windows is people who don't like the existing windows software, and (initially) people with a RO background. I'm not against standard interfaces, but jumping through hoops to make code look like another platform's standards isn't necessarily worthwhile. I doubt a lot of less-technical users *really* know or appreciate standard windows conventions; provided when they start to use an new application the way it works is adequately documented, and if it has quirks, those are explicitly described, that should be enough. -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Mar 1 16:34:35 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1046536321:20:02598:62".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 1 Mar 2003 16:34:35 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1046536321:20:02598:62; Sat, 01 Mar 2003 16:32:01 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2003045; 1 Mar 2003 16:31 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18p9tp-0008GP-00; Sat, 01 Mar 2003 16:31:45 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h21GVfv26085 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 1 Mar 2003 16:31:41 GMT Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h21GVeO26081 for ; Sat, 1 Mar 2003 16:31:40 GMT Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18p9tk-0003tJ-0Y for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 01 Mar 2003 16:31:40 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2003 16:24:41 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Side by side printing Message-ID: <4bcc7070dfJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4bca94d20crayfavre@argonet.co.uk> References: <4bca94d20crayfavre@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.02f (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article <4bca94d20crayfavre@argonet.co.uk>, Ray Favre wrote: > (I wish I had remembered Mike Williams' point about the use of SPrint > before I started!) Or you could have printed to a postscript file and viewed it in RiScript or whatever... What would have been really useful though is to have produced the sprite version, maybe compressed it a bit if it was huge, and put it onto your website so we could see what you were getting and what was wrong with it. It's really hard to understand problems like yours otherwise. -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Mar 1 16:34:35 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1046536321:20:02617:66".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 1 Mar 2003 16:34:35 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1046536321:20:02617:66; Sat, 01 Mar 2003 16:32:01 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2003047; 1 Mar 2003 16:31 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18p9tp-0008GQ-00; Sat, 01 Mar 2003 16:31:45 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h21GVdM26075 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 1 Mar 2003 16:31:39 GMT Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h21GVdn26072 for ; Sat, 1 Mar 2003 16:31:39 GMT Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18p9ti-0003tJ-0Y for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 01 Mar 2003 16:31:38 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2003 16:11:42 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Throwbacks - MultipleDefs - Not Cured Message-ID: <4bcc6f404cJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <431750c54b.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> <0c5bcfc54b.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> <9eb9e9c64b.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> <75e82dc74b.martin@mw-software.com> <4bcc44be7edfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.02f (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article , David Pilling wrote: > >As I use the said Applet manager, why do I need to get rid of it. > You don't. In fact Alex may not need to either, but reading the > description of his problems I felt that things were a lot more > confusing than they needed to be. Reading this thread I wonder if part of the problem is apps or applets "seen" when filer windows have been opened and therefore having the paths to them remembered in system variables. Then they get moved or copied around, so the system variables contain path values that no longer point to the right app, or indeed any app. Possibly the app manager involved is also storing applets names and path values based on where applets were seen when they were first defined to the applet manager, but that info won't be uptodate either. Looking at what Alex did, I'd have said that he should have shutdown & rebooted his machine at more intervals than he had, and also that every directory he opened when looking for things should have been Ctrl-clicked on (if a filer directory) or shift-clicked on (if an app/let). I'd also if I was doing this take a good look at what actually gets saved in the config manager's choices/options/whatever files and also what sort of system vars are being set as things get defined. -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Mar 4 17:16:13 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1046758766:20:23968:49".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 17:16:13 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1046758766:20:23968:49; Tue, 04 Mar 2003 06:19:26 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2116062; 4 Mar 2003 6:19 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18q5ky-0002JK-00; Tue, 04 Mar 2003 06:18:28 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h246H1v05671 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 06:17:01 GMT Received: from mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.38]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h246H1K05666 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 06:17:01 GMT Received: from [62.64.209.132] (helo=tiscali) by mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 18q5jV-000BlT-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 04 Mar 2003 06:16:57 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 06:09:20 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OP - Windows version Message-ID: <4bcdc39c91dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030303104255.00b355b8@mail.which.net> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030302235641.00b43ec8@mail.which.net> <4bcc5abc1adfs@ukgateway.net> <4bcd13d8b1dfs@ukgateway.net> <5.1.1.6.0.20030302235641.00b43ec8@mail.which.net> <4bcd466202dfs@ukgateway.net> <5.1.1.6.0.20030303104255.00b355b8@mail.which.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03 (RISC-OS/4.33) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article <5.1.1.6.0.20030303104255.00b355b8@mail.which.net>, John Waddell wrote: [Snip] > > So my question would be this... How do I set the other (Laser) as the > >default printer on the printer port, and still get the Epson to print > >throught the USB port, when the default printer always picks up the > >output. > >Cheers > >Dave S > Go to Start>Settings>Control Panel>(Double click Printers and Faxes} (I > keep a shortcut to Printers and Faxes on my desktop since I access it > regularly - To do this right click on the Printers and Faxes Icon and > the rest is self explanatory) Nothing different to what I do already. > Having double clicked on Printers and Faxes you will have a window with > all your printers showing. Just right click on the one you want as > default. Clearly you know this already or you wouldn't be printing! (I > mention it because I am often defined as an imperfect perfectionist by > SWMBO!) Nothing different. > I now enter the real of guesswork. I assume that when you CTRL-P inside > an OvPro for windows doc and set the printer from which that you would > like to print that the software will remember this printer as default. > If not, my next action would be to open the default doc, set printer > details and resave the blank open doc as your default stylesheet. Already done with bells on. > It has also struck me that you do not mention whether you have both > printers switched on when your doc print instruction goes off into the > ether. If both were switched on and you tried to print to the Epson, > does the doc come out on the Laser? Tried various combinations, including both on. Printing to USB just vanishes. > By the way I have telephoned the Epson help line in the past and found > them very helpful. Really wouldn't be any point in phoning *them* as I've pointed out over and over... All other print capable application can and do print without problems to the USB Epson. > You may well already have tried this but it might also help if you were > to disconnect your USB printer use the PC a couple of times and then > reconnect after you have switched on the printer. It might also be > worthwhile going to the Epson web site to see if there are any upgrades > to the driver for your printer. Tried that, but again everything prints... only Ovation Pro won't. Went to the site a week ago... I'm already using the latest available... Well as far as I can tell. > Autrement, je suis futu aussi! > John Waddell, Langbank, Renfrewshire Cheers Dave S -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Mar 4 17:16:17 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1046538140:20:11107:45".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 17:16:17 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1046538140:20:11107:45; Sat, 01 Mar 2003 17:02:20 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2010975; 1 Mar 2003 17:02 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18pAN7-00038J-00; Sat, 01 Mar 2003 17:02:01 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h21H1vh31339 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 1 Mar 2003 17:01:57 GMT Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h21H1vY31336 for ; Sat, 1 Mar 2003 17:01:57 GMT Received: from worthy.demon.co.uk ([62.49.21.99] helo=worthy) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 18pAN2-0001hj-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 01 Mar 2003 17:01:56 +0000 Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2003 17:01:51 GMT From: Tim Howarth To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP - Windows version - GIF Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (MsgServe/2.02) (RISC-OS/4.29) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message David Pilling wrote: > I suspect windows metafile will have to be added. What other graphics > formats would you like. Just remembered another one; Probably impossible but what about Artworks ? -- ___ |im ---- ARM Powered ---- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Mar 4 17:16:23 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1046547478:20:00982:81".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 17:16:23 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1046547478:20:00982:81; Sat, 01 Mar 2003 19:37:58 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2000910; 1 Mar 2003 19:37 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18pCnl-0007CI-00; Sat, 01 Mar 2003 19:37:41 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h21Jb8C09615 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 1 Mar 2003 19:37:08 GMT Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h21Jb7W09609 for ; Sat, 1 Mar 2003 19:37:07 GMT Received: from [213.116.62.195] (helo=RiscPC) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 18pCn9-0002UF-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 01 Mar 2003 19:37:04 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2003 12:57:20 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Extensions was: Re: [softwarelist] Side by side printing Message-ID: <4bcc5d750csteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <002501c2df05$abe55840$caa274d5@padua> References: <002501c2df05$abe55840$caa274d5@padua> User-Agent: Pluto/2.05-a1 (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.04-pre1 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 28 Feb, Tonnie Demarteau wrote: > I am not sure, that adding such a line will do the job ... > At least, the the networking program has to make use of Mimemap. > I can't speak for the IYONIX or Select above 4.29. Older setups some programs/utilities do not use Mimemap for the filetype mappings, on the Iyonix it's *the* way. Something about the older DOSMAP stuff being "deprecated". -- What kind of insanity destroys fields to replace what already exists? Stop Rugby Airport now before it's too late... Steve Pampling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Mar 4 17:16:27 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1046559660:20:11932:39".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 17:16:27 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1046559660:20:11932:39; Sat, 01 Mar 2003 23:01:00 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2010783; 1 Mar 2003 22:59 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18pFxL-0004fe-00; Sat, 01 Mar 2003 22:59:47 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h21Mx7C09768 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 1 Mar 2003 22:59:07 GMT Received: from cmailm2.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailm2.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.210]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h21Mx7T09761 for ; Sat, 1 Mar 2003 22:59:07 GMT Received: from modem-1191.honker.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.25.225.167] helo=lcessford.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailm2.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18pFwf-00072J-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 01 Mar 2003 22:59:05 +0000 Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2003 22:58:36 GMT From: Alex Cessford To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Throwbacks - MultipleDefs - Not Cured Message-ID: <318194cc4b.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> References: <431750c54b.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> <0c5bcfc54b.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> <9eb9e9c64b.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> <75e82dc74b.martin@mw-software.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (MsgServe/2.02) (RISC-OS/4.03) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message you wrote: > > I know about applets but don't know about scripts. I have never, > > (well knowingly at least!), used or interfered or otherwise handled > > scripts. > > 'knowingly'... The trouble *is* that you've got 2 (or more) copies of > some things. There are a number of ways of getting into that situation > e.g. Copy the insides of one applet over the insides of another. Rename > an applet and stick another copy (with the original name) inside the > applets folder. As a complete non-technical type I must of course accept your knowledge that I do indeed have two or more copies of some things. All I can say is, 1. As I said last night, I spent a long time deleting both OvPro versions and appplet copies, then having a pretty fair check to see where else I might have dropped copies. I cannot imagine where else any copies could be skulking. I do have a reasonable structure to my harddisc directories, so I would always store anything to do with Ovation in my DeskTopPub directory or a sub-directory thereof. The exception here would be AWViewer in !Boot.Resources and references to OvPro in the LookUp. 2. I do know that I have never copied the insides of one applet over the insides of another, nor have I ever renamed an applet. I can be sure of this simply because I would never have any reason to do anything of this sort, and wouldn't know *why* I would ever want to do such things. The only conceivable exception would be if I had a problem, (such as this current one), and was being guided step by step by an expert. I know that that has not happened in relation to applets. > > these in relation to !MenuLib, PSsupport in Arrange,ColSupp, Fill, > Arrange doesn't have a PSSupport file in it - at least it is not > supposed to. Yes, sorry about that, what I wrote is misleading. I was generalising over the whole sentence rather than being specific about which file belonged to which applet. > I can't see the files on your machine. I suspect if I could it would be > enlightening. You're welcome to pop round anytime - coffee or red wine always available :-) > I'd be inclined to take a fresh copy of 2.6X off your CD, use the 2.70 > upgrade from my web site on it. Oh boo-hoo! You won't believe it, but you have stumbled over my next problem to address! My CDdrive refuses to acknowledge the presence of any CDs, whether audio or data! It reports "drive empty" at all times. Result, it is completely unusable currently, so I can't solve the OvPro problem that way. > Particularly Rob Clarks Applet manager. > Plan B would be to pick the first applet that raises a throwback error, > and compare the files inside the copy in !OvnPro.Applets with the files > inside a new copy. I suspect you'll find Problem solved!! Arrange, (and all the other applets causing problems), have somehow acquired additional files or directories!. These are; !OvnResDir, !RunImage, Modules and a PSsupport inside Arrange.Library. All of them have these same additions, so it couldn't be that I have accidently dropped these extra bits into ten different applets requiring to be Shift/Clicked to get open in order for such accidents to happen. So how *did* they get there? Pass! I have downloaded fresh copies of all the applets from the web tonight, deleted completely the original applets and replaced them with the new copies. Result, no throwbacks - hooray. My very sincere thanks to you. Oh! Victor Meldrew! Sequence: 1. After above replacement, Shift/F12Shutdown, Power-off, Power-on, load OP 2.70. Fine, no throwbacks. 2. Click on OP to open window, throwback window plus OP showing lots of the buttons on the buttonbar as blank slabs. Throwback doesn't mention any of the now cured applets, but instead is objecting to TidyMove, SnapMac, BMbutton and NudgePal - all complaints being directed at 1 S Unknown identifier. Well this is definitely my own fault. Having downloaded fresh copies of the aforementioned cures, whilst at it I thought it would be worth downloading fresh copies of other listed applets, including those listed on the link to Chris Johnson's site. (Why did I try and use my own initiative??). TidyMove, etc. were of course amongst these new fetched copies. I only stored them pretty deep in $.FreeServe.programs.AnswrProbs.OvationPro.Throwbacks.NewApplets1/3/ 03.MoreNew.ChrisJohnson'sApplets - I have not put them into OP or any of the Applet Manager apps - and incidently I have moved these too into AnswrProbs....Throwbacks, prior to the power off/on, so they are also deep. How is OP finding these? > Remind me, where does !ApplXtr come from? It is a separate Applet-Manager application from Rob Clark, (literally, !ApplXtr = !AppletExtra), so when !Applet gets full you use !ApplXtr - at least that's what I *think* is the idea, it's certainly what I have it for. - Could it be that trying to use two copies of !Applet simultaneously would clash so you need a separately named program that looks identical? - He asked, making a feeble attempt at being technical!). -- Alex. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Mar 4 17:16:33 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1046565442:20:09448:50".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 17:16:33 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1046565442:20:09448:50; Sun, 02 Mar 2003 00:37:22 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2008823; 2 Mar 2003 0:36 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18pHSy-00049Q-00; Sun, 02 Mar 2003 00:36:32 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h220a0Z23909 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 2 Mar 2003 00:36:00 GMT Received: from smtp3.global.net.uk (smtp3.global.net.uk [80.189.92.91]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h220Zxu23904 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 2003 00:36:00 GMT Received: from gr.189.20.30.dial.global.net.uk ([80.189.20.30] helo=RTV) by smtp3.global.net.uk with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 18pHSQ-000Jkm-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 02 Mar 2003 00:35:59 +0000 Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2003 21:58:24 +0000 From: Mik Towse To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Macro/script to tweak frame borders Message-ID: <4BCC8EFE62%mik.towse@xemik.com> References: <6d6c62cc4b.tim@worthy.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.61 POPstar/2.03 X-Editor: Zap 1.45, using ZapEmail 0.26 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article Tim Howarth wrote: > David Pilling wrote: > > >Knowing nothing about OP's scripting, does anyone know if exists a > > >script to traverse a document and change frame border widths ? [snip] > > Save as DDL, load into text editor, make change, save, reload? > I'd thought about that but I'm wondering if there is a simple way for > completely non-technical folk. [snip] > I counted the other day and we have at work approx 54000 Impression > docs, so a meachanism to allow us to use these on Windows with least > hassle is what I'm pondering. [snip] The least hassle & possibly the cheapest route might be to buy an Iyonix! -- "Toto, I don't think we're in Kansas anymore!" __ __ _ _ _____ | \/ (_) | __ |_ _|____ __ _____ ___ | |\/| | | |/ / | |/ _ \ V V (_- for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 17:16:36 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1046568940:20:19925:53; Sun, 02 Mar 2003 01:35:40 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2126899; 2 Mar 2003 1:35 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18pIO5-0001ii-00; Sun, 02 Mar 2003 01:35:33 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h221ZWu30385 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 2 Mar 2003 01:35:32 GMT Received: from kx1-gui.server.which.net (kx1-gui.server.which.net [194.168.97.11]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h221ZWq30382 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 2003 01:35:32 GMT Received: from dan-q2amtw6l9qb.which.net ([62.253.76.8]) by kx1-gui.server.which.net (InterMail vK.4.04.00.00 201-232-137 license e70b2acfbd69d84cc925654164bd8fad) with ESMTP id <20030302013525.FPFO21530.kx1-gui@dan-q2amtw6l9qb.which.net> for ; Sun, 2 Mar 2003 01:35:25 +0000 Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.0.20030302013149.00b36650@mail.which.net> X-Sender: waddell@mail.which.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2003 01:34:25 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: John Waddell Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvnPro on WinME In-Reply-To: References: <2rnJKyLj7BY+Ew1A@pilling.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist At 20:29 1.3.03 +0000, you wrote: >In on Sat 01 Mar, David Pilling wrote: > >While you are looking at that I should also say that Select-dragging also >usually selects text in Windows programs. This appears to work in OvPro for Windows (on XP) but only if you move the mouse as soon as you left click to start the process. If you wait even a millisecond after the left click, before beginning to select text, the 'key' icon, for locked text I believe? appears. -- John Waddell, Langbank, Renfrewshire -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Mar 4 17:16:40 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1046602681:20:02686:40".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 17:16:40 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1046602681:20:02686:40; Sun, 02 Mar 2003 10:58:01 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2129534; 2 Mar 2003 10:57 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18pRAC-0002LO-00; Sun, 02 Mar 2003 10:57:48 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h22AuvK29290 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 2 Mar 2003 10:56:57 GMT Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h22Auun29287 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 2003 10:56:56 GMT Received: from [62.188.112.8] (helo=golden.argonet.co.uk) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 18pR9K-00057z-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 02 Mar 2003 10:56:55 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Favre To: OvationPro Mail List Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2003 10:54:41 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Can you Find styles? Message-ID: <4bccd6102drayfavre@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.02f (RISC-OS/4.33) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Me again. In OP's Find & Replace, how do you search for occurrences of a specific Style? -- Regards from Ray Favre. Home of books "Starting Basic" and "Dr Wimp's Surgery" and support of the Dr Wimp freeware package. Web site at: -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Mar 4 17:16:41 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1046614750:20:16962:136".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 17:16:41 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1046614750:20:16962:136; Sun, 02 Mar 2003 14:19:10 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2120784; 2 Mar 2003 14:19 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18pUIr-0005IF-00; Sun, 02 Mar 2003 14:18:57 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h22EHxi30320 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 2 Mar 2003 14:17:59 GMT Received: from altrade.nijmegen.internl.net (altrade.nijmegen.internl.net [217.149.192.18]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h22EHwo30317 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 2003 14:17:58 GMT Received: from padua by altrade.nijmegen.internl.net via 1Cust249.tnt32.rtm1.nld.da.uu.net [213.116.158.249] with SMTP for id PAA10662 (8.8.8/1.3); Sun, 2 Mar 2003 15:14:50 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <000601c2e0be$7fa45780$f99e74d5@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: "Ovation Pro" References: <431750c54b.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> <0c5bcfc54b.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> <9eb9e9c64b.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> <75e82dc74b.martin@mw-software.com> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Throwbacks - MultipleDefs - Not Cured Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 14:15:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On Friday, February 28, 2003 10:27 PM, Alex Cessford wrote: ... > 2. I emptied my copy of Rob Clark's !ApplXtr completely, nothing at > all in it. > Sounds OK. And when you run it (as you described later in this email, it shows an empty left pane). > 3. I looked at the applets held in !OvPro.Applets (version 2.70) and > if I had a duplicate held by Rob's other app-manager, !Applets I > deleted it from !Applets. It is the goal of the program to have in the left pane *all* the stored applets in AppleStore of the Applet manager in use and to have in the right pane a selection of *all*the stored applets. This selection contains a list of the applets installed in Applets in Ovation Pro. > 4. All the remaining applets held by !Applets were displayed in the > left hand section only, (ie. shown as being 'Stored' but none shown > as being 'Installed'. That is correct. Left pane: all applets in !Applets.AppleStore. Right pane: None of these installed in Applets in !Ovnpro. When !Applets and/or !AppltXtr is **started** 'it updates' itself: it compares what is stored in its own xxStore folder with that, what is present in Ovation Pro's Applet folder. it also investigates the version, warning you when the Applet installed in OP is older than the one stored in !Applets. it always looks at the *currently* set path for Ovations Pro's Applets folder. !Applets and !ApplXtra display the *same* in their right hand panes. With more than one copy of Ovation Pro loaded, the path to the Applets folder of Ovation Pro always points to the last loaded copy of Ovation Pro, loaded before !Applets or !ApplXtr. In the right pane it displays the contents of Applets of the latest loaded Ovation Pro, before !Applets (or !ApplXtr) is loaded. In the left pane, it displays the contents of the ApplStore in !Applets or ApplXtStore in !AppletXtr. ... > So, currently my harddisc now stores the above-mentioned two copies > !OvnPro together with a single, empty copy of !ApplXtr and a single > copy of !Applets holding something like eighty applets. Two copies of OvnPro ... Again, Important is the path to the Applets folder in Ovation Pro. This is always set to the last loaded copy. ... > !OvnPro.Applets now holds Arrange, ColSupp, Fill, Grabber, OArtwrks, > OCharges, OEPS, OPCA, Ovation1 and Today. All other applets are > stored in !Applets. Sounds OK. > ... I then launched !Applets and > clicked on its iconbar icon to open its window. Very strange! No. It has updated the 'view' representing what !Applets it has found in its own store (left panel) and what is present in the Applets folder of the last loaded/used/recognised Ovation Pro (right panel). > Both > left and righthand panes now are displaying applets! A test shows > that the Remove and Install buttons work normally. Of course. > I also notice > that the applets stored in !OvnPro.Applets have msyteriously found > their way back into !Applets, and independent, though related app, > even though I know for certain that I deleted such duplicates from > here before the Shutdown. Take a careful look. Distinguish between the right and the left panel. If the 10 Applets listed in the right pane (installed in Applets Ovation Pro) have found their way to the left panel (Applets stored in !Applets.AppleStore), than something mysterious has happened. Assuming, you didn't put them there yourself by using the buttons. > Ok, so how about !ApplXtr ? Launch that. Yes, it too has somehow > recaptured a selection of applets, but this time it is only the > ten a applets in !OvnPro.Applets, and they are only displayed in the > righthand Installed pane, the left, stored pane still being empty. > Of course, this is OK. No applets stored in !ApplXtr, 10 Applets installed in OP.Applets. > Does this mean that I can have *all* applets held in !Applets, even > if I don't load the app to iconbar, perhaps? Yes. Or part of it in !Applets and part of it in !ApplXtr. Both show on start-up the *same* in the right panel (installed Applets in !Ovation Pro) and *different applets*, showing what is present in their own Store folder. Anyway, that's how I use it. Already from the beginning. In !ApplXtr I keep the Applets from the Reources website. Assuming, that the content of your applets is OK (!), I think, !Applets (with all your applets) and one copy of !OvnPro would solve your problems. With *new* applets, open !Applets.ApplStore *OR* !OvnPro.Applets -like you open any other folder in RISC OS and delete the old applet via the filer menu. Copy the new applet in the ApplStore or Applets folder. Next, you can use !Applets to update applets or for other 'management' of applets. Remember, when you have changed anything in !Applets, you have to restart !OvnPro, when it was loaded on the iconbar. You can use !Applets without !OvnPro loaded, as long as the path to !OvnPro.Applets is known. Like you say that you do at boot at startup. As said, this way it works very satisfying for me. No problems at all. So -I think- your problem isn't connects to !Applets or !ApplXtr. But to the content of one/more of your Applets. I have to admit, that I don't run two copies of two installed !OvnPro applications at the same time. Tonnie -- Mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Mar 4 17:16:58 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1046676135:20:29084:124".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 17:16:58 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1046676135:20:29084:124; Mon, 03 Mar 2003 07:22:15 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2106421; 3 Mar 2003 7:22 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18pkGu-0008GK-00; Mon, 03 Mar 2003 07:22:00 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h237LVH16077 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 07:21:31 GMT Received: from mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.38]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h237LV516074 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 07:21:31 GMT Received: from [62.64.226.71] (helo=tiscali) by mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 18pkGM-000Gox-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 03 Mar 2003 07:21:27 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 07:21:31 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OP - Windows version Message-ID: <4bcd466202dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030302235641.00b43ec8@mail.which.net> References: <4bcc5abc1adfs@ukgateway.net> <4bcd13d8b1dfs@ukgateway.net> <5.1.1.6.0.20030302235641.00b43ec8@mail.which.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.02e (RISC-OS/4.33) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article <5.1.1.6.0.20030302235641.00b43ec8@mail.which.net>, John Waddell wrote: > At 22:09 2.3.03 +0000, you wrote: > >In article , > > David Pilling wrote: > > > >Questions, questions... > > > >Can OvPro print to the USB port? > > > >If it already can... What am I missing? > > > > > I can't think of any reason why not. > > > >End of line for me... Dunno what else to try. > I know it must be a long shot but ... ... ... ... > I have an Epson scanner which comes with a utility including the ability > to print - obviously! > However, the point is that the software will not cause the scanner to > act as a photocopier - "Print To Copy" and print to my HP printer > unless I make the fax the default printer and then set the software to > print to the HP! I am told this is a software issue not yet resolved. > Perhaps if you made a different printer the default printer and define > OvPro to print to the USB printer and try? As I say - a long shot. > John Waddell Thanks for the thoughts John. I *don't* have a scanner attached to the PC. I have two printers attached... Laser to the Printer port and Epson to the USB port. If I make the laser the default printer, OvPro print to it okay (small issue to sort out later)... As do all other print capable Apps. Make Epson the default printer OvPro will not print to it successfully... Immediately run something else Word, PSP... whatever, and they will print to the Epson. So my question would be this... How do I set the other (Laser) as the default printer on the printer port, and still get the Epson to print throught the USB port, when the default printer always picks up the output. Cheers Dave S -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Mar 4 17:17:06 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1046722637:20:28229:91".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 17:17:06 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1046722637:20:28229:91; Mon, 03 Mar 2003 20:17:17 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2028638; 3 Mar 2003 20:16 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18pwLW-0005Z0-00; Mon, 03 Mar 2003 20:15:34 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h23KE7S28117 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 20:14:07 GMT Received: from mailout.zetnet.co.uk (mail@new-tonge.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.47.231]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h23KE6028113 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 20:14:07 GMT Received: from irwell.zetnet.co.uk ([194.247.47.48] helo=zetnet.co.uk) by mailout.zetnet.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18pwK6-0000su-00 for ; Mon, 03 Mar 2003 20:14:06 +0000 Received: from zetnet.co.uk (bts-0543.dialup.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.50.31]) by zetnet.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3/Debian 8.11.2-1) with SMTP id h23KE5Q20427 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 20:14:05 GMT Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2003 19:35:27 GMT From: Ken Paton To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP - Windows version Message-ID: References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030224005156.00b84730@mail.which.net> <4bc9b71e3csimon.jones@capelinmedia.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60a (MsgServe/2.01beta) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message David Pilling wrote: > > >Also the default A4 doc opened with a huge white area to the right of > >where the page should have finished > > There is no easy way I could find of restricting the size of a Windows > window. In RISC OS windows have a maximum size, reach the limits of the > scroll bars and they'll expand no more. Not so in Windows. > I had a look at this in Visual Basic, which I am currently using at University, and although it is possible to set the Width & Height properties of a window, it seems that someone has decided that a Maximized Window means Full Screen and nothing else, and have disabled the ability to adjust the dimensions from code when the window is either Maximized or Minimized. This seems to have been handled in Word, by adjusting the magnification factor to ensure that the document fills the available area. If you adjust the magnification to 100%, then the document is centred into the available area, so avoiding the effect of a large blank area at either side of the document. Perhaps you could do something similar with Ovation Pro. -- Ken Paton -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Mar 4 17:17:21 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1046758766:20:23963:45".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 17:17:21 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1046758766:20:23963:45; Tue, 04 Mar 2003 06:19:26 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2023843; 4 Mar 2003 6:19 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18q5ky-0005oQ-00; Tue, 04 Mar 2003 06:18:28 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h246H1g05667 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 06:17:01 GMT Received: from mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.38]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h246H0105660 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 06:17:01 GMT Received: from [62.64.209.132] (helo=tiscali) by mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 18q5jX-000BlT-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 04 Mar 2003 06:17:00 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 06:11:37 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OP - Windows version Message-ID: <4bcdc3d1ebdfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <27724fcd4b.john@xl-cambridge.com> References: <4bcc5abc1adfs@ukgateway.net> <4bcd13d8b1dfs@ukgateway.net> <5.1.1.6.0.20030302235641.00b43ec8@mail.which.net> <4bcd466202dfs@ukgateway.net> <27724fcd4b.john@xl-cambridge.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03 (RISC-OS/4.33) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article <27724fcd4b.john@xl-cambridge.com>, John Pettigrew wrote: > In a previous message, Dave Symes wrote: > > How do I set the other (Laser) as the default printer on the printer > > port, and still get the Epson to print throught the USB port, when the > > default printer always picks up the output. > When printing, don't use the "quick print" option but pull up the print > dialog box (how you do this varies depending on the app, but in Word, > it's Ctrl-p). Then you can select the printer you want from the list of > all available printers from a drop-down menu. Some apps (e.g. MicroGrafx > PicturePublisher) make this harder than it needs to be with complex > dialogs but the principle is the same. > HTH > John Thank for the thoughts John, but I'm way past simple solutions... I'm just waiting to hear the fat lady sing. ;-) Dave S -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Mar 4 17:17:23 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1046770189:20:04662:204".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 17:17:23 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1046770189:20:04662:204; Tue, 04 Mar 2003 09:29:49 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id al2128113; 4 Mar 2003 9:28 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18q8eI-0007su-00; Tue, 04 Mar 2003 09:23:46 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h249MO300923 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 09:22:24 GMT Received: from mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (mta07-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.47]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h249MNd00917 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 09:22:23 GMT Received: from Medion ([80.7.28.106]) by mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20030304092223.RQNS3191.mta07-svc.ntlworld.com@Medion> for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 09:22:23 +0000 Message-ID: <001c01c2e22f$770c4bb0$6a1c0750@Medion> From: "John Vanags" To: References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030302235641.00b43ec8@mail.which.net> <4bcc5abc1adfs@ukgateway.net> <4bcd13d8b1dfs@ukgateway.net> <5.1.1.6.0.20030302235641.00b43ec8@mail.which.net> <4bcd466202dfs@ukgateway.net> <5.1.1.6.0.20030303104255.00b355b8@mail.which.net> <4bcdc39c91dfs@ukgateway.net> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP - Windows version Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 09:21:40 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Re Epson printer problem. (Epson 1270) If I try to print an Ovation file directly to my Epson printer all I get is rubbish. Printing directly to the laser printer is OK. I have the print preview option ticked but it fails to appear before printing. If I create a Pdf file and then print to the Epson the print preview appears and prints the file correctly. I wonder if anyone else has this problem? John Vanags -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Mar 4 17:18:06 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1046537788:10:26653:48".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 17:18:06 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1046537788:10:26653:48; Sat, 01 Mar 2003 16:56:28 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1119367; 1 Mar 2003 16:55 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18pAH2-0001Iv-00; Sat, 01 Mar 2003 16:55:44 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h21GtCL30021 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 1 Mar 2003 16:55:12 GMT Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h21GtBY30017 for ; Sat, 1 Mar 2003 16:55:11 GMT Received: from worthy.demon.co.uk ([62.49.21.99] helo=worthy) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 18pAGV-0000Lk-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 01 Mar 2003 16:55:11 +0000 Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2003 16:55:06 GMT From: Tim Howarth To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Macro/script to tweak frame borders Message-ID: References: <6d6c62cc4b.tim@worthy.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (MsgServe/2.02) (RISC-OS/4.29) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message David Pilling wrote: > >Knowing nothing about OP's scripting, does anyone know if exists a > >script to traverse a document and change frame border widths ? > > Yes, No. > > Save as DDL, load into text editor, make change, save, reload? I'd thought about that but I'm wondering if there is a simple way for completely non-technical folk. i.e. a button or "on load" event. I counted the other day and we have at work approx 54000 Impression docs, so a meachanism to allow us to use these on Windows with least hassle is what I'm pondering. (OP being the obvious solution.) ATM the setting of all borders to 1mm upsets quite a few of my own documents forcing flow to extra pages when tight for space. Is there any chance that you could make this behaviour different/better/configurable default width, with tramsimp, or shall we assume that, that is the way it is ? I've just thought, is it transimp that is setting it to 1mm, or is it simply that that is the default border width with OP ? (and can that be changed ?) -- ___ |im ---- ARM Powered ---- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Mar 4 17:18:07 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1046539984:10:22922:53".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 17:18:07 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1046539984:10:22922:53; Sat, 01 Mar 2003 17:33:04 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1022175; 1 Mar 2003 17:32 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18pAqN-0006If-00; Sat, 01 Mar 2003 17:32:15 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h21HW8C20364 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 1 Mar 2003 17:32:08 GMT Received: from cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.172]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h21HW7q20340 for ; Sat, 1 Mar 2003 17:32:07 GMT Received: from modem-593.pounder.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.25.214.81] helo=lcessford.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18pAqE-0008NO-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 01 Mar 2003 17:32:06 +0000 Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2003 17:32:01 GMT From: Alex Cessford To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Throwbacks, still Message-ID: <069b76cc4b.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> References: <431750c54b.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> <0c5bcfc54b.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> <8iObYsE1GrU+EwV1@pilling.demon.co.uk> <3b392ec74b.martin@mw-software.com> In-Reply-To: <3b392ec74b.martin@mw-software.com> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (MsgServe/2.02) (RISC-OS/4.03) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message <3b392ec74b.martin@mw-software.com> you wrote: [snip] > > Decide if ArtWorks files matter to you? If they don't, then either > > install ArtWorks, or the ArtWorks viewer - put the latter inside !Boot > > with !Fonts etc. or at least somewhere will it will be seen by RISC OS > > before you run OP. I missed this before, so just by way of providing complete information, I can tell you that I have always had !AWViewer resident in !Boot.Resources. I have just checked again, it is there, and it is version 1.61d dated 20 January, 2003. -- Alex. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Mar 4 17:18:08 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1046540319:10:01228:44".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 17:18:08 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1046540319:10:01228:44; Sat, 01 Mar 2003 17:38:39 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1129502; 1 Mar 2003 17:38 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18pAw6-0007ge-00; Sat, 01 Mar 2003 17:38:10 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h21Hc7l21817 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 1 Mar 2003 17:38:07 GMT Received: from javelin.vip.uk.com (javelin.vip.uk.com [62.60.0.98]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h21Hc7p21813 for ; Sat, 1 Mar 2003 17:38:07 GMT Received: from modem-34-52-60-62.vip.uk.com ([62.60.52.34] helo=localhost) by javelin.vip.uk.com with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 18pAvx-0007YW-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 01 Mar 2003 17:38:01 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: =?iso-8859-1?q?rod=A0a?= To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2003 17:36:42 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] carelessness Message-ID: <4bcc77088arod@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.04c (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Help! Some months/weeks? ago I carefully locked a message detailing the new Windows trial of OP so that I could in due course give it a try myself. Despite searching back to November I cannot find the message ... perhaps I deleted it in error! Could someone point me to where I can download the trial, if it is still available? -- /\ _ \ |==============| / / / \__\ |===================| | Rodger Davis | /_/ / / / \ | rod@argonet.co.uk | |==============| / \_/\_/ /___) |===================| -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Mar 4 17:18:10 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1046547470:10:01176:41".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 17:18:10 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1046547470:10:01176:41; Sat, 01 Mar 2003 19:37:50 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1111054; 1 Mar 2003 19:37 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18pCnk-0001rb-00; Sat, 01 Mar 2003 19:37:40 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h21JbG309640 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 1 Mar 2003 19:37:16 GMT Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h21Jb7Q09608 for ; Sat, 1 Mar 2003 19:37:07 GMT Received: from [213.116.62.195] (helo=RiscPC) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 18pCn8-0002UF-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 01 Mar 2003 19:37:02 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2003 12:53:51 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Side by side printing Message-ID: <4bcc5d2351steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4bcb984b02barry@e-allen.co.uk> References: <4bca5393b0rayfavre@argonet.co.uk> <4bcb93d39drayfavre@argonet.co.uk> <4bcb984b02barry@e-allen.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.05-a1 (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.04-pre1 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 28 Feb, Barry E Allen wrote: > I wonder if you know where the word 'berk' comes from? Would you be > embarrassed if you knew? I am lead to believe that it is Cockney Rhyming > slang. 'Berk'ley Hunt :o))) "Berkshire Hunt" IIRC. Possibly a *very* early anti-hunt person came up with the phrase. -- What kind of insanity destroys fields to replace what already exists? Stop Rugby Airport now before it's too late... Steve Pampling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Mar 4 17:18:14 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1046550616:11:08658:43".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 17:18:14 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1046550616:11:08658:43; Sat, 01 Mar 2003 20:30:16 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1107203; 1 Mar 2003 20:29 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18pDbh-0006SV-00; Sat, 01 Mar 2003 20:29:17 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h21KTDW18005 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 1 Mar 2003 20:29:13 GMT Received: from mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (mta02-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.42]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h21KTDM18002 for ; Sat, 1 Mar 2003 20:29:13 GMT Received: from risco.home ([80.7.75.69]) by mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20030301202912.JFAW4529.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@risco.home> for ; Sat, 1 Mar 2003 20:29:12 +0000 Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 20:29:06 +0000 (GMT) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvnPro on WinME To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <2rnJKyLj7BY+Ew1A@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In on Sat 01 Mar, David Pilling wrote: > >I downloaded the windows version (reports 2.70 27 Feb 2003) and ran it on > >WinME. > > Just to update you. Last weeks effort was blighted by a memory bug, > which meant it would fall over for some people, work for others, and was > just generally unreliable. > > The 27 Feb version has the bug fixed, so offers more hope of working. > > However I've still not got W9X working properly. I can tell you that by > using OP text choices, unticking 'unicode' and then save choices, quit, > rerun, you should get reasonable results on W9X, however font matching > is wrong, so the bold variation on Arial or whatever will come out > strange. > > > >LondonA TrueType (from their ProCD2). Spacing is very wide - takes about 3 > >times the width it should. > > Turn off Unicode... That sorted the spacing. Thank you. Strangely some of the LondonA font family display a dot (bulett?) for a space when invisibles are switched on, but others including Medium display the open box which is standard for 'no glyph defined'. > >I also noticed that the Windows convention of holding shift while clicking > >the left mouse button doesn't select text, and the RISC OS right click > >does. I think it is necessary to include the Windows convention if you are > >aiming for new customers. > > Another good idea, I didn't know about that Windows convention. I didn't express that very clearly did I - shift-click selects from cursor to click position. While you are looking at that I should also say that Select-dragging also usually selects text in Windows programs. Also keyboard navigation through text seems fairly consistent with ctrl-cursor L or R moving to the beginning of a word, ctrl-cursor up (or down) to the beginning of a paragraph. The addition of shift makes the move a selecting move. I understand some of these may be development changes once the program is released. I don't usually have too much trouble switching between Windows and RISC OS, but using RISC OS conventions under Windows throws me a bit. Anthony -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Mar 4 17:18:24 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1046568945:10:01467:141".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 17:18:24 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1046568945:10:01467:141; Sun, 02 Mar 2003 01:35:45 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1002401; 2 Mar 2003 1:35 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18pIO3-0001iU-00; Sun, 02 Mar 2003 01:35:31 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h221ZQU30371 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 2 Mar 2003 01:35:26 GMT Received: from kx1-gui.server.which.net (kx1-gui.server.which.net [194.168.97.11]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h221ZQc30368 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 2003 01:35:26 GMT Received: from dan-q2amtw6l9qb.which.net ([62.253.76.8]) by kx1-gui.server.which.net (InterMail vK.4.04.00.00 201-232-137 license e70b2acfbd69d84cc925654164bd8fad) with ESMTP id <20030302013518.FPFE21530.kx1-gui@dan-q2amtw6l9qb.which.net> for ; Sun, 2 Mar 2003 01:35:18 +0000 Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.0.20030302005300.00b36f58@mail.which.net> X-Sender: waddell@mail.which.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2003 01:25:01 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: John Waddell Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvnPro on WinME In-Reply-To: <4bcc6dea11Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> References: <1ec55acc4b.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <2rnJKyLj7BY+Ew1A@pilling.demon.co.uk> <1ec55acc4b.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist At 15:57 1.3.03 +0000, you wrote: >In article <1ec55acc4b.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk>, > Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: > > > Would they notice the difference? Might they not just like the new > > method? > >I dare say one can argue this umpteen ways, but it seems to me that the >market for OP on windows is people who don't like the existing windows >software, and (initially) people with a RO background. I'm not against >standard interfaces, but jumping through hoops to make code look like >another platform's standards isn't necessarily worthwhile. > This is a difficult one to resolve. It seems to me that OvPro (even for Windows) should be loyal to its roots and follow OvPro conventions. Regrettably, or not depending on your point of view, OvPro for windows might be the last event required to 'send people over to the other side'. I suspect such customers would wish to keep what is familiar in what they have left in their new toy. Those of us that use both types of machine as a matter of course will inevitably experience clashes but as Tim states, what is familiar in the product and makes it work becomes second nature in time. My philosphy would be to adopt the best of both worlds and since I cannot think of anything in OvPro that particularly frustrates me, perhaps the windows version should simply acquire the better things in windows based products. Don't get me wrong, OvPro does have one or two minor niggles such as the occasional 'radar type' clutter on the screen, which 'CTRL-I' (twice) clears by forcing a frame rewrite. It would find even greater favour with me if it had tables (sorry for harping on about this!) and also an 'autotext' facility like Word, which makes addressing letters and doing other things so much easier. Not sure if OvPro has an applet to do it, but the 'Tools>Letters and Mailings>Labels and envelopes facility in Word is very useful. >I doubt a lot of less-technical users *really* know or appreciate >standard windows conventions; provided when they start to use an new >application the way it works is adequately documented, and if it has >quirks, those are explicitly described, that should be enough. This is true also. I was surprised for example to note that David was not aware of the convention which allows you to select a list of files, a list of emails, a section of text and a few other things no doubt, with a 'shift-left click'. This is very handy at times. One thing not seemingly in Ov\Pro for windows (not for me in XP anyway) is middle click for options! I know the stuff is up above but middle click can be quicker. On the other hand, since I use a wheeled mouse, the basic scrolling facility I find very useful. Cannot have my cake and eat it I suppose! Although if the RiscOS middle click is not to be incorporated, could we have the full Windows facility including the single middle click to lock the scrolling facility to movement of the mouse? I appreciate some of this might come across as throw away comments and I also appreciate it must be complex to have got this far, never mind everything else we might seek! >-- >Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. > >-- >To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net >with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message > >Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net -- John Waddell, Langbank, Renfrewshire -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Mar 4 17:18:29 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1046597427:10:26154:42".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 17:18:29 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1046597427:10:26154:42; Sun, 02 Mar 2003 09:30:27 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1100274; 2 Mar 2003 9:30 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18pPnD-0001Ap-00; Sun, 02 Mar 2003 09:29:59 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h229T8F17582 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 2 Mar 2003 09:29:08 GMT Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h229T7w17579 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 2003 09:29:07 GMT Received: from madwesties.demon.co.uk ([194.222.129.211]) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 18pPmL-0003xE-0d for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 02 Mar 2003 09:29:07 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tricia Garner To: OvationPro Mail List Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2003 17:30:43 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Side by side printing Message-ID: <4bcc767c40tricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4bcbea8088rayfavre@argonet.co.uk> References: <4bca5393b0rayfavre@argonet.co.uk> <4bcb93d39drayfavre@argonet.co.uk> <4bcb984b02barry@e-allen.co.uk> <4bcbea8088rayfavre@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.02f (RISC-OS/4.29) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article <4bcbea8088rayfavre@argonet.co.uk>, Ray Favre wrote: > In article <4bcb984b02barry@e-allen.co.uk>, Barry E Allen > wrote: > > In article <4bcb93d39drayfavre@argonet.co.uk>, Ray Favre > > wrote: > > > I can't help but feel a right berk. > > I wonder if you know where the word 'berk' comes from? Would you be > > embarrassed if you knew? I am lead to believe that it is Cockney > > Rhyming slang. 'Berk'ley Hunt :o))) > No I didn't know - and how could I be more embarrassed than I am at > the moment!? > I'm content to be called that also (at the moment, anyway!). I doubt yer average Cockney would use the American pronunciation (as suggested by Barry) of Berkley anyway. Surely they would pronounce it as in 'bark'... I know, don't call you Shirley :-) -- Tricia Despite the cost of living, have you noticed how it remains so popular? -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Mar 4 17:18:29 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1046603137:10:02497:46".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 17:18:29 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1046603137:10:02497:46; Sun, 02 Mar 2003 11:05:37 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1002165; 2 Mar 2003 11:05 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18pRHO-0000AT-00; Sun, 02 Mar 2003 11:05:14 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h22B4tb30641 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 2 Mar 2003 11:04:55 GMT Received: from mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (mta01-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.41]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h22B4tw30636 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 2003 11:04:55 GMT Received: from [81.96.125.247] by mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20030302110455.XSOU22267.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@[81.96.125.247]> for ; Sun, 2 Mar 2003 11:04:55 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2003 11:03:21 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Can you Find styles? From: Mike Williams To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4bccd6102drayfavre@argonet.co.uk> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist on 2/3/03 11:54 am, Ray Favre wrote: > Me again. > > In OP's Find & Replace, how do you search for occurrences of a > specific Style? Basically you can't, but there is a 3rd party applet (SRWE Search and Replace with Effect) which does. Can be very useful in a variety of ways. Mike Williams Akalat Publishing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Mar 4 17:18:32 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1046608412:10:01241:50".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 17:18:32 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1046608412:10:01241:50; Sun, 02 Mar 2003 12:33:32 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1000747; 2 Mar 2003 12:32 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18pSeF-0001Y0-00; Sun, 02 Mar 2003 12:32:55 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h22CW4D12604 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 2 Mar 2003 12:32:04 GMT Received: from altrade.nijmegen.internl.net (altrade.nijmegen.internl.net [217.149.192.18]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h22CW3N12601 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 2003 12:32:03 GMT Received: from padua by altrade.nijmegen.internl.net via 1Cust57.tnt35.rtm1.nld.da.uu.net [213.116.164.57] with SMTP for id NAA04934 (8.8.8/1.3); Sun, 2 Mar 2003 13:28:56 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <002f01c2e0af$b3fff570$39a474d5@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: "Ovation Pro" References: <002501c2df05$abe55840$caa274d5@padua> <4bcc5d750csteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> Subject: Re: Extensions was: Re: [softwarelist] Side by side printing Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 12:04:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On Saturday, March 01, 2003 1:57 PM, Steven Pampling wrote: > On 28 Feb, Tonnie Demarteau wrote: > >> I am not sure, that adding such a line will do the job ... >> At least, the the networking program has to make use of Mimemap. > >> I can't speak for the IYONIX or Select above 4.29. > > Older setups some programs/utilities do not use Mimemap for the > filetype mappings, on the Iyonix it's *the* way. > > Something about the older DOSMAP stuff being "deprecated". You speak about a different situation ... and only from RISC OS. Looking at a windows or dos disk (floppy, cd, or share) from RISC OS. When there is a map, the map will be used to translate it from windows extension to RISC OS filetype: .htm or .txt. Ovation Pro documents, made in Windows, get the extension .dpd When this is mapped (and RISC OS understands the mapping), the filer displays the document with the Ovation Pro filetype (OvnPro) and it can be runned by double-click. In RISC OS. But DOS map / Mimemap don't prevent the addition of ,b27 or 'no extension', when a document is written or copied to a Windows share via the network. Except for maps present in the network application, like RISC OS 'fff' to Windows 'txt'. And addition of /xxx doesn't help in such a case. I wrote about ... what you will see from Windows in a windows filer. This means for OvnPro files -seen from windows in windows filer-: Example with filetype OvnPro becomes Example,b27 (comma b27) and Example/dpd becomes Example.dpd,b27 (period dpd comma b27) Both not, what windows 'needs', and in this case this needs to be Example.dpd NOTE: there is ONE exception: adding /xxx and using LanMan98 with the option 'no types' ON. This writes Example/dpd to Windows as Example.dpd But with this 'no types' option on, there has to be a DOS map (or MimeMap ?) to be able to use that file in RISC OS via the network. I prefer to add the map to the extensions file in LanMan98 and emulator. Works best for me. -- Mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Mar 4 17:18:35 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1046620554:10:19769:41".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 17:18:35 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1046620554:10:19769:41; Sun, 02 Mar 2003 15:55:54 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1018678; 2 Mar 2003 15:54 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18pVnX-0005mp-00; Sun, 02 Mar 2003 15:54:44 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h22Frpb13422 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 2 Mar 2003 15:53:51 GMT Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (murphys.services.quay.plus.net [212.159.14.225]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id h22Frou13417 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 2003 15:53:50 GMT Received: (qmail 27669 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2003 15:53:40 -0000 Received: from evanallen.plus.com (HELO barryrpc) (212.159.102.184) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Mar 2003 15:53:40 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Barry E Allen To: OvationPro Mail List Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2003 15:51:42 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Side by side printing Message-ID: <4bccf14172barry@e-allen.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4bcc767c40tricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk> References: <4bca5393b0rayfavre@argonet.co.uk> <4bcb93d39drayfavre@argonet.co.uk> <4bcb984b02barry@e-allen.co.uk> <4bcbea8088rayfavre@argonet.co.uk> <4bcc767c40tricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.02f (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.04-pre5 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article <4bcc767c40tricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk>, Tricia Garner wrote: > In article <4bcbea8088rayfavre@argonet.co.uk>, Ray Favre > wrote: > > In article <4bcb984b02barry@e-allen.co.uk>, Barry E Allen > > wrote: > > > In article <4bcb93d39drayfavre@argonet.co.uk>, Ray Favre > > > wrote: > > > > I can't help but feel a right berk. > > > I wonder if you know where the word 'berk' comes from? Would you be > > > embarrassed if you knew? I am lead to believe that it is Cockney > > > Rhyming slang. 'Berk'ley Hunt :o))) > > No I didn't know - and how could I be more embarrassed than I am at > > the moment!? > > I'm content to be called that also (at the moment, anyway!). > I doubt yer average Cockney would use the American pronunciation (as > suggested by Barry) of Berkley anyway. Surely they would pronounce it as > in 'bark'... I know, don't call you Shirley :-) It seems looking at Google that 'Berkshire Hunt' and 'Berkeley Hunt' are both given as the definition in equal measure. Yes I've nothing else to do! :o) -- Barry A. Rugby Union in Manchester:- http://www.broughton-park.org.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Mar 4 17:18:37 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1046622920:10:11963:61".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 17:18:37 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1046622920:10:11963:61; Sun, 02 Mar 2003 16:35:20 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1011464; 2 Mar 2003 16:34 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18pWQ8-0005rv-00; Sun, 02 Mar 2003 16:34:36 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h22GXxd20991 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 2 Mar 2003 16:33:59 GMT Received: from cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.172]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h22GXwV20987 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 2003 16:33:59 GMT Received: from modem-442.caterpie.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.135.58.186] helo=lcessford.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18pWPV-0007JL-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 02 Mar 2003 16:33:57 +0000 Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2003 16:17:07 GMT From: Alex Cessford To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Throwbacks - MultipleDefs - Not Cured Message-ID: <7095f3cc4b.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> References: <431750c54b.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> <0c5bcfc54b.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> <9eb9e9c64b.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> <75e82dc74b.martin@mw-software.com> <4bcc44be7edfs@ukgateway.net> <4bcc6f404cJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4bcc6f404cJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (MsgServe/2.02) (RISC-OS/4.03) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message <4bcc6f404cJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> you wrote: Thanks for replying Jeremy, > Reading this thread I wonder if part of the problem is apps or applets > "seen" when filer windows have been opened and therefore having the paths > to them remembered in system variables. Then they get moved or copied > around, so the system variables contain path values that no longer point > to the right app, or indeed any app. I understand all this, so thank you. Probably correct, but I have now cured all ills, so will never know! > Possibly the app manager involved is also storing applets names and path > values based on where applets were seen when they were first defined to > the applet manager, but that info won't be uptodate either. Well I've given up on the applet managers, at least for the time being. My reason for using them in the first place was to allow me to have OvPro loading quickly because I didn't put many applets in it, but to have more available should I feel the need. The principle of having such a manager seems a good one to me on that basis, so no disrespect to Rob Clark intended. > Looking at what Alex did, I'd have said that he should have shutdown & > rebooted his machine at more intervals than he had, and also that every > directory he opened when looking for things should have been Ctrl-clicked > on (if a filer directory) or shift-clicked on (if an app/let). I'd also > if I was doing this take a good look at what actually gets saved in the > config manager's choices/options/whatever files and also what sort of > system vars are being set as things get defined. Ok, I don't really understand why a greater number of shutdown and reboots would achieve, but I accept your greater knowledge! When you refer to "config manager's choices/options/whatever files" I'm not sure if you are talking about some area of !Boot.Config or something to do with OP's Choices options. Also, whilst in principle I know what system variables are, I am no programmer and have no understanding of about setting or defining these, so that part of your comment is lost to me - sorry. However, as I said, all is now cured. The problem lay in ten different applets having all acquired the same set of extra files or directories that they shouldn't have - !OvnResDir, !RunImage, Modules a few other bits. Downloading new copies of these apps from the web to replace mine, plus a shutdown/reboot has solved things. I did have an extra whoppy because having solved the above, BMbutton, FancyDate and a couple of others threw spanners, but it was because I had removed the applet managers and these applets were not in OP's Applets directory. Thanks again for helping. -- Alex. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Mar 4 17:18:37 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1046622932:10:12222:42".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 17:18:37 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1046622932:10:12222:42; Sun, 02 Mar 2003 16:35:32 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1104085; 2 Mar 2003 16:35 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18pWQT-0005wg-00; Sun, 02 Mar 2003 16:34:57 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h22GYWF21095 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 2 Mar 2003 16:34:32 GMT Received: from cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.172]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h22GYWL21092 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 2003 16:34:32 GMT Received: from modem-442.caterpie.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.135.58.186] helo=lcessford.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18pWQ3-0007JL-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 02 Mar 2003 16:34:32 +0000 Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2003 16:21:15 GMT From: Alex Cessford To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Throwbacks - Now Cured Message-ID: <57f6f3cc4b.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> References: <431750c54b.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> <0c5bcfc54b.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> <9eb9e9c64b.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> <75e82dc74b.martin@mw-software.com> <4bcc44be7edfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (MsgServe/2.02) (RISC-OS/4.03) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message