From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 4 14:16:52 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1033736978:10:09858:72".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 14:16:52 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1033736978:10:09858:72; Fri, 04 Oct 2002 13:09:38 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1009194; 4 Oct 2002 13:08 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17xS8z-0002AW-00; Fri, 04 Oct 2002 14:05:25 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g94D4mI21693 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 14:04:48 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g94D4mr21688 for ; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 14:04:48 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17xS8N-000M8p-0V for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 04 Oct 2002 14:04:48 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 14:03:20 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] OP: Evangelist wanted MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Hi, Paul Beverley of Archive and Living with technology magazine is thinking of converting to Ovation Pro from Impression. He'd like to find someone who could convert the magazines and offer support during the traumatic changeover process. There is a good reason for this move happening now - the availability of a Windows version of OP? -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 4 14:37:10 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1033738199:20:11938:45".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 14:37:10 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1033738199:20:11938:45; Fri, 04 Oct 2002 13:29:59 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2109294; 4 Oct 2002 13:29 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17xSWD-0002Zh-00; Fri, 04 Oct 2002 14:29:25 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g94DTMB25628 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 14:29:22 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g94DTLW25623 for ; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 14:29:21 +0100 Received: from worthy.demon.co.uk ([62.49.21.99] helo=worthy) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 17xSW9-0004m8-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 04 Oct 2002 14:29:21 +0100 Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 14:29:16 +0100 From: Tim Howarth To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP: Evangelist wanted Message-ID: <79a928804b.tim@worthy.demon.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60a (MsgServe/2.01beta) (RISC-OS/4.29) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by spellings.dsvr.co.uk id g94DTLW25624 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message David Pilling wrote: > There is a good reason for this move happening now - the availability of > a Windows version of OP? How far off is this ? I work in a school which has a site license for OP, though it isn't used much having been bought too late. However we are getting close to being overpowered by the Windows brigade and losing our Acorns (in the next year or so I'd guess, ATM about 130 PCs vs 170 RISCOS but being "pulled") however we have a legacy of years on Impression docs, now to the point.. Will the Windows version be able to handle ImpDoc loading ? Or will it be possible to use TransImpon RISC OS then move RISCOS OP files over ? Another big reason for interest is the lack of anything in Windowsland between MS Publisher/Serif and Quark (AFAICT). MS Pub being sadly lacking (even compared with Impression in many ways) and Quark being ridiculously expensive. -- ___ |im ---- ARM Powered ---- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 4 15:16:59 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1033739935:20:00305:102".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 15:16:59 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1033739935:20:00305:102; Fri, 04 Oct 2002 13:58:55 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ac2109445; 4 Oct 2002 13:58 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17xSr4-0004JL-00; Fri, 04 Oct 2002 14:50:58 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g94Dore29175 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 14:50:53 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g94Dord29170 for ; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 14:50:53 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17xSqz-0005LV-0Y for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 04 Oct 2002 14:50:53 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 14:49:44 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP: Evangelist wanted References: <79a928804b.tim@worthy.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <79a928804b.tim@worthy.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >> There is a good reason for this move happening now - the availability of >> a Windows version of OP? >How far off is this ? Real soon. I promised it for the middle of this year, by Christmas would be my guess now. Most of it is now working and tidied up. All that really remains is getting bit map rendering to work. Unlike RISC OS you've got to handle things like rotating bit maps yourself on Windows. The initial product is likely to be a CD aimed at Acorn users i.e. including Windows versions of Acorn fonts. >Will the Windows version be able to handle ImpDoc loading ? Or will it >be possible to use TransImpon RISC OS then move RISCOS OP files over ? Yes, I'll make the Win version load Impression documents direct. But you could convert them using the Acorn version. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 4 15:37:01 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1033741755:20:18747:246".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 15:37:01 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1033741755:20:18747:246; Fri, 04 Oct 2002 14:29:15 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ac2115880; 4 Oct 2002 14:28 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17xTEZ-0005oK-00; Fri, 04 Oct 2002 15:15:15 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g94EFFW01406 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 15:15:15 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g94EFED01403 for ; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 15:15:15 +0100 Received: from worthy.demon.co.uk ([62.49.21.99] helo=worthy) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 17xTEY-0002j3-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 04 Oct 2002 15:15:14 +0100 Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 15:15:09 +0100 From: Tim Howarth To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP: Evangelist wanted Message-ID: References: <79a928804b.tim@worthy.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60a (MsgServe/2.01beta) (RISC-OS/4.29) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message David Pilling wrote: > >> There is a good reason for this move happening now - the availability of > >> a Windows version of OP? > >How far off is this ? > > Real soon. I promised it for the middle of this year, by Christmas would > be my guess now. Most of it is now working and tidied up. All that > really remains is getting bit map rendering to work. Need any testers ? I hope you've kept Save Discard Cancel, on file close - one of my pet complaints about Windows is the Yes/No business. > The initial product is likely to be a CD aimed at Acorn users i.e. > including Windows versions of Acorn fonts. Pricing in the same region as RISC OS version ? -- ___ |im ---- ARM Powered ---- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 4 15:37:03 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1033741288:10:00100:55".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 15:37:03 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1033741288:10:00100:55; Fri, 04 Oct 2002 14:21:28 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1119106; 4 Oct 2002 14:20 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17xTDD-0005kP-00; Fri, 04 Oct 2002 15:13:51 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g94EDLw01108 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 15:13:21 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (mta06-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.46]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g94EDKi01104 for ; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 15:13:20 +0100 Received: from riscpc.at.home ([80.2.246.218]) by mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021004141319.CGWC28874.mta06-svc.ntlworld.com@riscpc.at.home> for ; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 15:13:19 +0100 Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 15:13:16 +0100 From: John Pettigrew To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP: Evangelist wanted Message-ID: <97b02c804b.john@xl-cambridge.com> References: <79a928804b.tim@worthy.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: XL Cambridge User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60a (MsgServe/2.00cS) (RISC-OS/4.02) X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In a previous message, David Pilling wrote: > Real soon. I promised it for the middle of this year, by Christmas would > be my guess now. Most of it is now working and tidied up. All that > really remains is getting bit map rendering to work. Have you decided what's happening with applets? What will authors need to do to ensure that applets work OK with the Win version? John -- John Pettigrew Headstrong Games john@headstrong-games.co.uk Fun : Strategy : Price http://www.headstrong-games.co.uk/ Board games that won't break the bank Knossos: escape the ever-changing labyrinth before the Minotaur catches you! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 4 22:27:06 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1033766759:10:03105:86".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 22:27:06 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1033766759:10:03105:86; Fri, 04 Oct 2002 21:25:59 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1005679; 4 Oct 2002 21:25 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17xZwy-000811-00; Fri, 04 Oct 2002 22:25:32 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g94LOuL14560 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 22:24:56 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g94LOuR14553 for ; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 22:24:56 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17xZwN-0000ti-0Y for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 04 Oct 2002 22:24:55 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 22:23:52 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] OP: Windows version References: <79a928804b.tim@worthy.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >Need any testers ? For now I can find all the bugs I can fix. >I hope you've kept Save Discard , on file close - one of my pet >complaints about Windows is the Yes/No business. Yes. At the moment what you've got is a RISC OS program which runs on Windows. I'm not so sure about this, for example should I use Control+P to open the print window (Windows style), should it use control+'Select' for multiple selections rather than Adjust. There are some things in Windows which are nice, like shift+cursor keys for marking (actually there is an applet which adds this already), and the universal way in which the delete key deletes selections. >Pricing in the same region as RISC OS version ? Hard to say. I expect the price of a Win version will be less - because there are so many potential users, more competition, and most of the work was already done. But there are limits - a printed manual with carriage costs a certain amount. >Have you decided what's happening with applets? What will authors need to >do to ensure that applets work OK with the Win version? As it happens I've now implemented applets in the Win version. It proved easier than I thought. Some applets can be moved with no changes. However most will need tweeking. There are all sorts of catches like Windows does not support menu items which are writable. Applets that make use of RISC OS specific things e.g. oscli("Filer_Run...");. The worst thing is the absence of a template file type. What you have to do is run the Acorn template file through a convertor which produces a Windows .rc file that is then compiled into a resource only DLL. For a programmer this is all trivial, alas it's probably too complex for most users. One might wonder if you need MS Visual C++ to change a window definition, what's the point of writing applets in a script language. I guess that I will eventually go through all the applets and render them into Windows format, their authors can then carry on with them. (I'm assuming I have permission here). Long term I may do something better. Nothing is simple. I've had to write code to emulate Acorn icon features - like sprites in icons. An applet like the Calculator is fairly useless in its current form, because as soon as you click in the document window, that window jumps forward and the calculator window is covered up. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 4 22:47:13 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1033767756:20:08397:58".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 22:47:13 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1033767756:20:08397:58; Fri, 04 Oct 2002 21:42:36 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2102423; 4 Oct 2002 21:42 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17xaDC-0000aN-00; Fri, 04 Oct 2002 22:42:18 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g94LgBT18276 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 22:42:11 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from server0027.freedom2surf.net (server0027.freedom2surf.net [194.106.33.36]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g94LgBt18272 for ; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 22:42:11 +0100 Received: from RiscPC ([195.137.41.33]) by server0027.freedom2surf.net (8.12.5/8.12.5/Debian-1) with SMTP id g94LgECj021662 for ; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 21:42:14 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 22:41:39 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version Message-ID: <4b8055bdberay@raydawson.com> In-Reply-To: References: <79a928804b.tim@worthy.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.04-pre1 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article , David Pilling wrote: > >I hope you've kept Save Discard , on file close - one of my pet > >complaints about Windows is the Yes/No business. > Yes. At the moment what you've got is a RISC OS program which runs on > Windows. I'm not so sure about this, for example should I use Control+P > to open the print window (Windows style), should it use > control+'Select' for multiple selections rather than Adjust. > There are some things in Windows which are nice, like shift+cursor keys > for marking (actually there is an applet which adds this already), and > the universal way in which the delete key deletes selections. I would have thought that as you will be selling it as a Windows program, it would need to fit in with the windows way of doing things. Your potential customers won't know about RISC OS short cuts, but will be familiar with Windows 'style guide' operations. As a matter of interest, is it a 32 bit windows app? Cheers, Ray D -- ray@raydawson.com http://www.raydawson.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 4 22:57:07 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1033768433:20:22978:43".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 22:57:07 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1033768433:20:22978:43; Fri, 04 Oct 2002 21:53:53 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2022098; 4 Oct 2002 21:53 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17xaNZ-0006Vm-00; Fri, 04 Oct 2002 22:53:01 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g94LqwG20055 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 22:52:58 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g94Lqw020052 for ; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 22:52:58 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 17xaNW-00035t-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 04 Oct 2002 22:52:58 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 22:51:39 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version References: <79a928804b.tim@worthy.demon.co.uk> <4b8055bdberay@raydawson.com> In-Reply-To: <4b8055bdberay@raydawson.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >I would have thought that as you will be selling it as a Windows program, >it would need to fit in with the windows way of doing things. Eventually yes, but initially users will be familiar with the Acorn version. >As a matter of interest, is it a 32 bit windows app? Oh yes. 16 bit Windows is long in the past. To be honest as of today it will only work on XP/NT/2K. Personally I wouldn't touch 95/98, but I suspect it will have to work on them. And... tee hee... it is also a 32 bit RISC OS app. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 4 23:47:09 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1033771191:10:01966:40".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 23:47:09 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1033771191:10:01966:40; Fri, 04 Oct 2002 22:39:51 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1001932; 4 Oct 2002 22:39 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17xb6d-0001DB-00; Fri, 04 Oct 2002 23:39:35 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g94Md2x27962 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 23:39:02 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g94Md2T27959 for ; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 23:39:02 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17xb65-000OOB-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 04 Oct 2002 23:39:02 +0100 Message-ID: <6rhKqrKFhhn9EwAy@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 23:37:57 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version References: <79a928804b.tim@worthy.demon.co.uk> <4b8055bdberay@raydawson.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >From: Tim Powys-Lybbe > Yes, I'll make the Win version load Impression documents direct. But you > could convert them using the Acorn version. And if you could make both versions handle Word document, my cup would overfloweth. -- Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org For a patchwork of bygones: http://powys.org -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 4 23:47:10 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1033771245:10:02893:92".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 23:47:10 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1033771245:10:02893:92; Fri, 04 Oct 2002 22:40:45 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1002848; 4 Oct 2002 22:40 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17xb7S-0001Fr-00; Fri, 04 Oct 2002 23:40:26 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g94MeOR28099 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 23:40:24 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g94MeNF28096 for ; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 23:40:23 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17xb7P-000AIj-0V for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 04 Oct 2002 23:40:23 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 23:38:49 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version References: <79a928804b.tim@worthy.demon.co.uk> <4b8055bdberay@raydawson.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >And if you could make both versions handle Word document, my cup would >overfloweth. I never understand what people want - perfect loading of Word docs? In which case buy a copy of MS Word because its the only thing that is ever likely to handle every feature of Word docs. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Oct 5 00:07:10 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1033772405:20:13539:48".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 00:07:10 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1033772405:20:13539:48; Fri, 04 Oct 2002 23:00:05 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2109598; 4 Oct 2002 23:00 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17xbQ9-000130-00; Fri, 04 Oct 2002 23:59:45 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g94MxgP30202 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 23:59:42 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from c2bapps5.btconnect.com (c2bapps5.btconnect.com [193.113.209.26]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g94Mxfs30198 for ; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 23:59:41 +0100 Received: from GAVIN (actually host host213-122-136-18.in-addr.btopenworld.com) by c2bapps5 with SMTP-CUST (XT-PP); Fri, 4 Oct 2002 23:59:32 +0100 Message-ID: <003a01c26bf9$b3943ae0$f800a8c0@GAVIN> From: "Gavin Dewar" To: References: <79a928804b.tim@worthy.demon.co.uk> <4b8055bdberay@raydawson.com> Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 23:59:30 +0100 Organization: Quercus Computer Systems MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist David Pilling wrote: >> I would have thought that as you will be selling it as a Windows >> program, it would need to fit in with the windows way of doing >> things. > > Eventually yes, but initially users will be familiar with the Acorn > version. > >> As a matter of interest, is it a 32 bit windows app? > Please - please - can we have proper [Save] by drag & drop. I hate the mess of using the nav' tree when the target window is sat there staring you in the face - I believe Quentin is going to implement this with his Win version of "Prophet" - you never know we might start a trend 8-) Cheers, Gavin -- Gavin Dewar Quercus Computer Systems -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Oct 5 00:47:19 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1033774778:20:01431:43".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 00:47:19 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1033774778:20:01431:43; Fri, 04 Oct 2002 23:39:38 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2001254; 4 Oct 2002 23:39 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17xc2J-00033O-00; Sat, 05 Oct 2002 00:39:11 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g94Nd4J04353 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 00:39:04 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g94Nd4a04346 for ; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 00:39:04 +0100 Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([158.152.204.98]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17xc2B-000MgD-0X for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 05 Oct 2002 00:39:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 05 Oct 2002 00:25:36 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version Message-ID: <4b805f4210john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <79a928804b.tim@worthy.demon.co.uk> <4b8055bdberay@raydawson.com> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 04 Oct, David Pilling wrote: > >And if you could make both versions handle Word document, my cup would > >overfloweth. > I never understand what people want - perfect loading of Word docs? In > which case buy a copy of MS Word because its the only thing that is ever > likely to handle every feature of Word docs. He's probably asking for your help because Word doesn't load Word documents! -- John Cartmell john@cartmell.demon.co.uk FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 Acorn Publisher magazine & http://www.acornpublisher.com Fleur Designs (boardgames) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Oct 5 13:31:37 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1033801287:20:24859:106".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 13:31:37 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1033801287:20:24859:106; Sat, 05 Oct 2002 07:01:27 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2116228; 5 Oct 2002 7:01 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17xivp-0007EM-00; Sat, 05 Oct 2002 08:00:57 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g956xuc25979 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 07:59:56 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g956xt525976 for ; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 07:59:55 +0100 Received: from worthy.demon.co.uk ([62.49.21.99] helo=worthy) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17xiuo-000ADJ-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 05 Oct 2002 07:59:54 +0100 Date: Sat, 05 Oct 2002 07:59:38 +0100 From: Tim Howarth To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP: Windows version Message-ID: <40d388804b.tim@worthy.demon.co.uk> References: <79a928804b.tim@worthy.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60a (MsgServe/2.01beta) (RISC-OS/4.29) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message David Pilling wrote: > >I hope you've kept Save Discard , on file close - one of my pet > >complaints about Windows is the Yes/No business. > > Yes. At the moment what you've got is a RISC OS program which runs on > Windows. That was another question I was goi g to ask (out of curiosity) - how much you have been able to reuse the RISC OS source. > I'm not so sure about this, for example should I use Control+P > to open the print window (Windows style), Yes, something like the prtscr key is already defined as Windows standard "copy window to clipboard". > should it use control+'Select' for multiple selections rather than > Adjust. Not sure using adjust for this is a good idea as that is for the context menu (although as a mechanism I find the RISC OS way much quicker). Why not make these configurable - RISC OS control or Windows control ? - then with the ability to switch each feature. Another one I miss in Windows is adjust on scroll arrow - Xara includes this feature IIRC. > >Pricing in the same region as RISC OS version ? > > Hard to say. I expect the price of a Win version will be less Brilliant, not to start persuading those who teach IT that they don't *have* to use MS Publisher ! > An applet like the Calculator is fairly useless in its current form, > because as soon as you click in the document window, that window jumps > forward and the calculator window is covered up. Ah, "Alway On Top" window flag - I've spent ages trying to get RISC OS windows depth behaviour on Windows, can't quite get it but have tried some tools which switch on "Always On Top" - have even found some which provide a "back" button ! -- ___ |im ---- ARM Powered ---- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Oct 5 13:31:45 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1033801589:20:00352:72".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 13:31:45 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1033801589:20:00352:72; Sat, 05 Oct 2002 07:06:29 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2000922; 5 Oct 2002 7:06 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17xj12-0000vU-00; Sat, 05 Oct 2002 08:06:20 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g9576HU26777 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 08:06:17 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9576Ge26774 for ; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 08:06:16 +0100 Received: from worthy.demon.co.uk ([62.49.21.99] helo=worthy) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17xj0y-000AmP-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 05 Oct 2002 08:06:16 +0100 Date: Sat, 05 Oct 2002 08:06:11 +0100 From: Tim Howarth To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version Message-ID: References: <79a928804b.tim@worthy.demon.co.uk> <4b8055bdberay@raydawson.com> <003a01c26bf9$b3943ae0$f800a8c0@GAVIN> In-Reply-To: <003a01c26bf9$b3943ae0$f800a8c0@GAVIN> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60a (MsgServe/2.01beta) (RISC-OS/4.29) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message <003a01c26bf9$b3943ae0$f800a8c0@GAVIN> "Gavin Dewar" wrote: > David Pilling wrote: > >> I would have thought that as you will be selling it as a Windows > >> program, it would need to fit in with the windows way of doing > >> things. > Please - please - can we have proper [Save] by drag & drop. > > I hate the mess of using the nav' tree when the target window > is sat there staring you in the face Agreed, it's one of the biggest Windows problems, in RISC OS you "live" in the filer, organise projects there etc. - you know where everything is, it's far to easy in Windows to lose track. However if you do have "nice" RISC OS features like drag to save (which is possible but is not trivial in Windows - I've tried, though I cheated and used an add in library in Delphi) then (I think) it must coexist with standard Save/Open Windows dialogues. -- ___ |im ---- ARM Powered ---- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Oct 5 13:31:59 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1033816620:10:01008:45".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 13:31:59 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1033816620:10:01008:45; Sat, 05 Oct 2002 11:17:00 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1000919; 5 Oct 2002 11:16 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17xmv9-0000V7-00; Sat, 05 Oct 2002 12:16:31 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g95BFp426650 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 12:15:51 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.172]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g95BFpc26646 for ; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 12:15:51 +0100 Received: from modem-3240.wolf.dialup.pol.co.uk ([81.76.140.168] helo=riscpc) by cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17xmuT-0007aW-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 05 Oct 2002 12:15:50 +0100 Date: Sat, 05 Oct 2002 11:35:49 +0100 From: Alan Adams To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version Message-ID: <3d9e9c804b.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> References: <79a928804b.tim@worthy.demon.co.uk> <4b8055bdberay@raydawson.com> <003a01c26bf9$b3943ae0$f800a8c0@GAVIN> In-Reply-To: <003a01c26bf9$b3943ae0$f800a8c0@GAVIN> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10 (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message <003a01c26bf9$b3943ae0$f800a8c0@GAVIN> you wrote: > David Pilling wrote: > >> I would have thought that as you will be selling it as a Windows > >> program, it would need to fit in with the windows way of doing > >> things. > > > > Eventually yes, but initially users will be familiar with the Acorn > > version. > > > >> As a matter of interest, is it a 32 bit windows app? > > > Please - please - can we have proper [Save] by drag & drop. > > I hate the mess of using the nav' tree when the target window > is sat there staring you in the face - I believe Quentin is going > to implement this with his Win version of "Prophet" - you never > know we might start a trend 8-) But it should be as well as the Windows way - I find it equally frustrating going to save, then realising I need to drill down the directories first. I'd quite like a Windows save function in the RO version, as an option. > > Cheers, Gavin > -- > Gavin Dewar > Quercus Computer Systems > > > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message > > Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net > -- Alan Adams alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Oct 5 13:32:00 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1033821054:10:10153:49".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 13:32:00 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1033821054:10:10153:49; Sat, 05 Oct 2002 12:30:54 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1129191; 5 Oct 2002 12:30 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17xo4T-0003hS-00; Sat, 05 Oct 2002 13:30:13 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g95CTcX07760 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 13:29:38 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from mail.tele2.co.uk (dellboy.tele2.co.uk [212.19.64.20]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g95CTbp07751 for ; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 13:29:37 +0100 Received: from djg (wireless-073-013.tele2.co.uk [212.19.73.13]) by mail.tele2.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2F8B9C397 for ; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 13:26:19 +0100 (BST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <3D9EDB11.000003.17345@djg.djg.tele2.net.uk> Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 13:29:05 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_HCDIG6G0000000000000" X-Mailer: IncrediMail 2001 (1750710) From: "Dennis Golding" References: X-FID: FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 X-FVER: X-CNT: ; X-Priority: 3 To: Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist --------------Boundary-00=_HCDIG6G0000000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Unfortunately all my pc's are win98 se. I can't put XP/2000 on as so much upgrading would be necessary so I'll have to stick with Virtual A5000 +OP with windows - but that is still better than using M$ Word.=0D DG=0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From:0D Date: 04 October 2002 22:56:07=0D To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net=0D Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version=0D =0D >I would have thought that as you will be selling it as a Windows program= ,=0D >it would need to fit in with the windows way of doing things.=0D =0D Eventually yes, but initially users will be familiar with the Acorn =0D version.=0D =0D >As a matter of interest, is it a 32 bit windows app?=0D =0D Oh yes. 16 bit Windows is long in the past. To be honest as of today it =0D will only work on XP/NT/2K. Personally I wouldn't touch 95/98, but I =0D suspect it will have to work on them.=0D =0D And... tee hee... it is also a 32 bit RISC OS app.=0D =0D =0D -- =0D David Pilling=0D email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk=0D web: http://www.davidpilling.net=0D post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK=0D fax: +44(0)870-0520-941=0D =0D =0D =0D --=0D To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net=0D with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message=0D =0D Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net=0D =0D =2E --------------Boundary-00=_HCDIG6G0000000000000 Content-Type: Text/HTML; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0D =0A
Unfortunately all my pc's are win98 se. I can't put XP/2000 on= as so=20 much upgrading would be necessary so I'll have to stick with Virtua= l A5000=20 +OP with windows - but that is still better than using M$ Word.
DG
 
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Date: 04 Oct= ober 2002=20 22:56:07
To: softwarelist@davidpil= ling.net
Subject: Re:= =20 [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version
 
>I would have thought that as you will be selli= ng it=20 as a Windows program,
>it would need to fit in with the windo= ws way=20 of doing things.

Eventually yes, but initially users will be= =20 familiar with the Acorn
version.

>As a matter of inte= rest,=20 is it a 32 bit windows app?

Oh yes. 16 bit Windows is long i= n the=20 past. To be honest as of today it
will only work on XP/NT/2K.=20 Personally I wouldn't touch 95/98, but I
suspect it will have t= o work=20 on them.

And... tee hee... it is also a 32 bit RISC OS=20 app.


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--------------Boundary-00=_HCDIG6G0000000000000-- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Oct 5 13:41:29 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1033821548:20:02868:49".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 13:41:29 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1033821548:20:02868:49; Sat, 05 Oct 2002 12:39:08 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2003078; 5 Oct 2002 12:38 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17xoCp-0008Tc-00; Sat, 05 Oct 2002 13:38:51 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g95Ccl909713 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 13:38:47 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g95Cclw09710 for ; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 13:38:47 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17xoCk-000J9M-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 05 Oct 2002 13:38:47 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 13:37:32 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP: Windows version References: <79a928804b.tim@worthy.demon.co.uk> <40d388804b.tim@worthy.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <40d388804b.tim@worthy.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist > Nothing is simple. I've had to write code to emulate Acorn icon features > - like sprites in icons. An applet like the Calculator is fairly useless > in its current form, because as soon as you click in the document > window, that window jumps forward and the calculator window is covered > up. I thought this behaviour on Windows could actually be avoided by the programmer. Is that not the case? I'm sure I have seen a few Windows application that don't do this. -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Hemmings Southport Tel: +44 (0)1704 573210 rhemmings@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Oct 5 13:51:56 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1033821792:20:07480:47".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 13:51:56 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1033821792:20:07480:47; Sat, 05 Oct 2002 12:43:12 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2117140; 5 Oct 2002 12:42 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17xoG1-0000AW-00; Sat, 05 Oct 2002 13:42:09 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g95Cg7L10351 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 13:42:07 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g95Cg7i10348 for ; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 13:42:07 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 17xoFy-0006jZ-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 05 Oct 2002 13:42:06 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 13:40:30 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP: Windows version References: <79a928804b.tim@worthy.demon.co.uk> <40d388804b.tim@worthy.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <40d388804b.tim@worthy.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >I thought this behaviour on Windows could actually be avoided by the >programmer. Is that not the case? No doubt. But the point is applets are going to have to be changed. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 8 20:06:10 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1033846416:10:28425:45".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 20:06:10 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1033846416:10:28425:45; Sat, 05 Oct 2002 19:33:36 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1028272; 5 Oct 2002 19:33 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17xufm-0004Hz-00; Sat, 05 Oct 2002 20:33:10 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g95JWc413721 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 20:32:38 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (mta03-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.43]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g95JWcq13715 for ; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 20:32:38 +0100 Received: from risco.home ([80.7.75.69]) by mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021005193237.DPRK7631.mta03-svc.ntlworld.com@risco.home> for ; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 20:32:37 +0100 Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 20:33:08 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net In-Reply-To: <4d07c0804b.john@xl-cambridge.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In on Sat 05 Oct, John Pettigrew wrote: > In a previous message, David Pilling wrote: > > > I never understand what people want - perfect loading of Word docs? > > Speaking from my perspective - loading of Word documents with effects > preserved and style names (not definitions), and all content. Like the way > Quark does it. What we need is the ability to import stuff from authors > who're using Word and then to be able to lay it out in OPro. > > 2p When using OPro for typesetting I always take source back to ascii text to avoid importing someone else's formatting ideas into the current document. Importing text styles so that the current definition is applied where that style name is used would be an advantage. To read, edit and return to a Word user try getting RTF from them and sending it back in that format - avoids the mass of padding that Word documents have including macros and the viruses which they so often carry. Anthony -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 8 20:06:19 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1033856799:10:27601:49".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 20:06:19 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1033856799:10:27601:49; Sat, 05 Oct 2002 22:26:39 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1027611; 5 Oct 2002 22:26 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17xxNT-0004pi-00; Sat, 05 Oct 2002 23:26:27 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g95MK1S29973 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 23:20:01 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g95MK0k29949 for ; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 23:20:00 +0100 Received: from bvista.demon.co.uk ([194.222.32.134]) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 17xxHB-0001wr-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 05 Oct 2002 23:19:57 +0100 Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 22:53:15 +0100 (BST) From: "A.F. Taylor" Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP: Evangelist wanted To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Arthur Taylor X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In on Fri 04 Oct, David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > > Paul Beverley of Archive and Living with technology magazine is thinking > of converting to Ovation Pro from Impression. > > He'd like to find someone who could convert the magazines and offer > support during the traumatic changeover process. > > There is a good reason for this move happening now - the availability of > a Windows version of OP? > To come back to the original request ;-) I think PB will find plenty of support from his Archive readership - he's certainly had a number of people (including me!) chiding him for still using IP. However, converting the old edtions to OP will be a lot of work, depending on how finished & identical he wants the layout to be. I've just had a *quick* look at a few of them on the Vol 14 CD. Quite a few wouldn't convert - the 2 or 3 I looked at in Vol 5 failed with a Draw error and a later one, from Vol 10 I think, failed with an 'undefined object' error - and that was only looking at half a dozen or so. The others converted quite quickly but when you start to look closely there are quite a lot of frames with the dreaded overflow arrow at the bottom :-( I think that most of these problems might be overcome globally by a bit of negative tracking - or just turning on auto-kerning and (perhaps?) enhanced justification which seem to be off by default in the converted files. However, although it would be quite a bit of work, I guess it could be made quite managable by sharing it out amongst a group of people. Regards, (PS On re-reading David's email, perhaps the conversion of old volumes isn't required) -- Arthur Taylor, Poole, Dorset -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 8 20:06:32 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1033917987:10:26359:151".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 20:06:32 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1033917987:10:26359:151; Sun, 06 Oct 2002 15:26:27 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1026760; 6 Oct 2002 15:25 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17yDHt-0004My-00; Sun, 06 Oct 2002 16:25:45 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g96FO8H23279 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 6 Oct 2002 16:24:08 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from scrabble.freeuk.net (scrabble.freeuk.net [212.126.144.6]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g96FO8u23276 for ; Sun, 6 Oct 2002 16:24:08 +0100 Received: from du-009-0098.freeuk.com ([212.126.152.98] helo=skiddaw) by scrabble.freeuk.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 17yDGE-0000z2-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 06 Oct 2002 16:24:07 +0100 Date: Sat, 05 Oct 2002 23:53:08 +0100 From: Steve Fryatt To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version Message-ID: References: <79a928804b.tim@worthy.demon.co.uk> <4b8055bdberay@raydawson.com> <003a01c26bf9$b3943ae0$f800a8c0@GAVIN> In-Reply-To: <003a01c26bf9$b3943ae0$f800a8c0@GAVIN> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60a (MsgServe/2.01beta) (RISC-OS/4.29) POPstar/2.03 X-Editor: Zap 1.44 (01 Feb 2002) [TEST 9], ZapEmail 0.26 (28 Nov 2001) test-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 4 Oct, Gavin Dewar wrote in message <003a01c26bf9$b3943ae0$f800a8c0@GAVIN>: > David Pilling wrote: > > > > I would have thought that as you will be selling it as a Windows > > > program, it would need to fit in with the windows way of doing > > > things. > > > > Eventually yes, but initially users will be familiar with the Acorn > > version. Agreed, but if it's different from all other Windows apps, that will be confusing too. Not everyone uses RISC OS in isolation; those who already use Windows will be used to switching hats as necessary and I personally would find a RISC OS-like Windows app more of a hindrance than a help. > Please - please - can we have proper [Save] by drag & drop. > > I hate the mess of using the nav' tree when the target window is sat > there staring you in the face - I believe Quentin is going to implement > this with his Win version of "Prophet" - you never know we might start a > trend 8-) Please, no. People get upset when RISC OS applications break the standard way of doing things; why do they apply double standards to Windows? Having one app that does d'n'd saving isn't going to help anyone. The nav' tree fits Windows' way of working; d'n'd doesn't. -- Steve Fryatt - Glasgow, Scotland http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 8 20:06:35 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1033920784:10:10486:43".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 20:06:35 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1033920784:10:10486:43; Sun, 06 Oct 2002 16:13:04 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1010285; 6 Oct 2002 16:12 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17yE1E-00067K-00; Sun, 06 Oct 2002 17:12:36 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g96GCSF30789 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 6 Oct 2002 17:12:28 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from c2bapps1.btconnect.com (c2bapps1.btconnect.com [193.113.209.21]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g96GCS430786 for ; Sun, 6 Oct 2002 17:12:28 +0100 Received: from GAVIN (actually host host213-122-86-86.in-addr.btopenworld.com) by c2bapps1 with SMTP-CUST (XT-PP); Sun, 6 Oct 2002 17:12:22 +0100 Message-ID: <000a01c26d53$2ef05250$f800a8c0@GAVIN> From: "Gavin Dewar" To: References: <79a928804b.tim@worthy.demon.co.uk> <4b8055bdberay@raydawson.com> <003a01c26bf9$b3943ae0$f800a8c0@GAVIN> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 17:12:33 +0100 Organization: Quercus Computer Systems MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Steve Fryatt wrote: > On 4 Oct, Gavin Dewar wrote in message > <003a01c26bf9$b3943ae0$f800a8c0@GAVIN>: > >> Please - please - can we have proper [Save] by drag & drop. >> >> I hate the mess of using the nav' tree when the target window is sat >> there staring you in the face - I believe Quentin is going to >> implement this with his Win version of "Prophet" - you never know we >> might start a trend 8-) > > Please, no. People get upset when RISC OS applications break the > standard way of doing things; why do they apply double standards to > Windows? Having one app that does d'n'd saving isn't going to help > anyone. The nav' tree fits Windows' way of working; d'n'd doesn't. > Windows allows d'n'd for loading a file into an application - well most applications do anyway - so what is so wrong with providing the convenient compliment for saving? or are you saying "nothing must ever change"? -- Gavin Dewar Quercus Computer Systems gavin@QuercusComputers.co.uk www.QuercusComputers.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 8 20:06:37 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1033921839:10:26349:40".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 20:06:37 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1033921839:10:26349:40; Sun, 06 Oct 2002 16:30:39 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1026145; 6 Oct 2002 16:30 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17yEIA-0008Uk-00; Sun, 06 Oct 2002 17:30:06 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g96GTbo32552 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 6 Oct 2002 17:29:37 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (mta03-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.43]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g96GTbb32549 for ; Sun, 6 Oct 2002 17:29:37 +0100 Received: from riscpc.at.home ([80.2.246.218]) by mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021006162936.EGKX7631.mta03-svc.ntlworld.com@riscpc.at.home> for ; Sun, 6 Oct 2002 17:29:36 +0100 Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2002 16:55:21 +0100 From: John Pettigrew To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version Message-ID: <47b53d814b.john@xl-cambridge.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: XL Cambridge User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60a (MsgServe/2.00cS) (RISC-OS/4.02) X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In a previous message, Anthony Hilton wrote: > When using OPro for typesetting I always take source back to ascii text to > avoid importing someone else's formatting ideas That makes life a *lot* harder when you're talking technical and scientific docs (which is my experience). Here, a misplaced italic or bold can be extremely important. This kind of thing is one reason for asking for Word format import - preserving the original author's text formatting. There is, it seems to be, however, no point in trying to understand Word's page layout formatting because it would have to be done afresh in OPro anyway. John -- John Pettigrew Headstrong Games john@headstrong-games.co.uk Fun : Strategy : Price http://www.headstrong-games.co.uk/ Board games that won't break the bank Valley of the Kings: ransack an ancient Egyptian tomb but beware of mummies! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 8 20:06:40 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1033940155:10:17835:41".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 20:06:40 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1033940155:10:17835:41; Sun, 06 Oct 2002 21:35:55 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1017797; 6 Oct 2002 21:35 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17yJ3k-0000VJ-00; Sun, 06 Oct 2002 22:35:32 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g96LYq514436 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 6 Oct 2002 22:34:52 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from aquarius.realingenuity.net (aquarius.realingenuity.net [213.165.154.155]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g96LYpG14433 for ; Sun, 6 Oct 2002 22:34:52 +0100 Received: from RTV (userdr51.uk.uudial.com [62.188.6.58]) by aquarius.realingenuity.net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id g96LTqA02838 for ; Sun, 6 Oct 2002 22:29:52 +0100 Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2002 22:16:32 +0100 From: Mik Towse To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version Message-ID: <4B815B1D08%mik.towse@xemik.com> References: <47b53d814b.john@xl-cambridge.com> In-Reply-To: <47b53d814b.john@xl-cambridge.com> X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.60f POPstar/2.03 X-Editor: Zap 1.44, using ZapEmail 0.26 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article <47b53d814b.john@xl-cambridge.com> John Pettigrew wrote: > In a previous message, Anthony Hilton wrote: > > When using OPro for typesetting I always take source back to ascii text > > to avoid importing someone else's formatting ideas > That makes life a *lot* harder when you're talking technical and > scientific docs (which is my experience). Here, a misplaced italic or > bold can be extremely important. This kind of thing is one reason for > asking for Word format import - preserving the original author's text > formatting. [snip] That would be nice if /Word/ preserved the 'original author's text formatting'. IME you can't guarantee that what you've produced is what will be displayed on the recipient's version of Word. -- There is no heavier burden than a great potential __ __ _ _ _____ | \/ (_) | __ |_ _|____ __ _____ ___ | |\/| | | |/ / | |/ _ \ V V (_- for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 20:06:53 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1033980317:10:19680:95; Mon, 07 Oct 2002 08:45:17 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1019829; 7 Oct 2002 8:45 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17yTVP-0002c5-00; Mon, 07 Oct 2002 09:44:47 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g978hmE30271 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 09:43:48 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (mta03-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.43]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g978hlh30263 for ; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 09:43:48 +0100 Received: from riscpc.at.home ([80.2.246.218]) by mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021007084347.CPYL7631.mta03-svc.ntlworld.com@riscpc.at.home> for ; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 09:43:47 +0100 Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 09:43:33 +0100 From: John Pettigrew To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version Message-ID: References: <47b53d814b.john@xl-cambridge.com> <4B815B1D08%mik.towse@xemik.com> In-Reply-To: <4B815B1D08%mik.towse@xemik.com> X-Organization: XL Cambridge User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60a (MsgServe/2.00cS) (RISC-OS/4.02) X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In a previous message, Mik Towse wrote: > That would be nice if /Word/ preserved the 'original author's text > formatting'. IME you can't guarantee that what you've produced is what > will be displayed on the recipient's version of Word. I don't think that I've never encountered a Word document where Word would load the file but mangle text formatting (i.e. bold/italic/styles and similar), and I've handled a *lot* of files from wildly varying sources over the years. It does, of course, often get it wrong to some extent when translating from foreign formats. Word also often mangles the page formatting from Word-format docs, but that would be discarded on loading into page-layout software in any case. John -- John Pettigrew Headstrong Games john@headstrong-games.co.uk Fun : Strategy : Price http://www.headstrong-games.co.uk/ Board games that won't break the bank Fields of Valour: 2 Norse clans battle on one of 3 different boards -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 8 20:06:53 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1033988086:10:25862:45".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 20:06:53 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1033988086:10:25862:45; Mon, 07 Oct 2002 10:54:46 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1024407; 7 Oct 2002 10:54 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17yVW4-0002GS-00; Mon, 07 Oct 2002 11:53:36 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g97Aqu021335 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 11:52:56 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from mailsrv.hiway.co.uk (ns1.hiway.co.uk [195.12.1.3]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g97Aqtc21329 for ; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 11:52:56 +0100 Received: from websrv.quantel.com ([195.12.20.34]) by mailsrv.hiway.co.uk (8.11.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id g97AqvN23617 for ; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 11:52:57 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP: Windows version MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 11:49:03 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist > Nothing is simple. I've had to write code to emulate Acorn icon features > - like sprites in icons. An applet like the Calculator is fairly useless > in its current form, because as soon as you click in the document > window, that window jumps forward and the calculator window is covered > up. While you are doing this can you please make sure it works with "focus follows mouse"/"X-mouse" turned on. Some applications cause the window to jump to the front as soon as the mouse enters the window. This is not how it should happen. With X-mouse turned on you should be able to type into a window that is partially covered by another window higher up the pile. Sounds like I know what to put at the top of my Christmas list :-) Regards Andy Ling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 8 20:07:07 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1033837419:20:20466:47".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 20:07:07 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1033837419:20:20466:47; Sat, 05 Oct 2002 17:03:39 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2020440; 5 Oct 2002 17:03 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17xsKi-0005LS-00; Sat, 05 Oct 2002 18:03:16 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g95H2ih29589 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 18:02:44 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (mta02-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.42]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g95H2ha29586 for ; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 18:02:43 +0100 Received: from riscpc.at.home ([80.2.246.218]) by mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021005170242.LZOD459.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@riscpc.at.home> for ; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 18:02:42 +0100 Date: Sat, 05 Oct 2002 18:02:36 +0100 From: John Pettigrew To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version Message-ID: <4d07c0804b.john@xl-cambridge.com> References: <79a928804b.tim@worthy.demon.co.uk> <4b8055bdberay@raydawson.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: XL Cambridge User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60a (MsgServe/2.00cS) (RISC-OS/4.02) X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In a previous message, David Pilling wrote: > I never understand what people want - perfect loading of Word docs? Speaking from my perspective - loading of Word documents with effects preserved and style names (not definitions), and all content. Like the way Quark does it. What we need is the ability to import stuff from authors who're using Word and then to be able to lay it out in OPro. 2p John -- John Pettigrew Headstrong Games john@headstrong-games.co.uk Fun : Strategy : Price http://www.headstrong-games.co.uk/ Board games that won't break the bank Knossos: escape the ever-changing labyrinth before the Minotaur catches you! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 8 20:07:09 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1033842387:20:19731:49".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 20:07:09 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1033842387:20:19731:49; Sat, 05 Oct 2002 18:26:27 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2129774; 5 Oct 2002 18:26 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17xtcv-0001WZ-00; Sat, 05 Oct 2002 19:26:09 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g95IPYI06818 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 19:25:34 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from server0027.freedom2surf.net (server0027.freedom2surf.net [194.106.33.36]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g95IPYE06815 for ; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 19:25:34 +0100 Received: from RiscPC ([195.137.41.33]) by server0027.freedom2surf.net (8.12.5/8.12.5/Debian-1) with SMTP id g95IPaCj026580 for ; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 18:25:37 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 05 Oct 2002 19:21:59 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version Message-ID: <4b80c74bf5ray@raydawson.com> In-Reply-To: <3d9e9c804b.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> References: <79a928804b.tim@worthy.demon.co.uk> <4b8055bdberay@raydawson.com> <003a01c26bf9$b3943ae0$f800a8c0@GAVIN> <3d9e9c804b.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.04-pre1 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article <3d9e9c804b.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk>, Alan Adams wrote: > > > I hate the mess of using the nav' tree when the target window is sat > > there staring you in the face - I believe Quentin is going to > > implement this with his Win version of "Prophet" - you never know we > > might start a trend 8-) > But it should be as well as the Windows way - I find it equally > frustrating going to save, then realising I need to drill down the > directories first. > I'd quite like a Windows save function in the RO version, as an option. I like the way that Windows apps remember the folder that you are saving files into. I only have to click around once to get to 'My Documents', for example, and Word, Wordperfect, Omnipage etc always opens it when I next save. The same with opening documents from folders. Cheers, Ray D -- ray@raydawson.com http://www.raydawson.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 8 20:07:29 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1033983441:20:12597:60".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 20:07:29 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1033983441:20:12597:60; Mon, 07 Oct 2002 09:37:21 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2101304; 7 Oct 2002 9:36 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17yUIL-0005Y1-00; Mon, 07 Oct 2002 10:35:21 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g979ZAQ07850 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 10:35:10 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g979Z9T07846 for ; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 10:35:09 +0100 Received: from [62.188.143.61] (helo=62.188.143.61) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17yUI6-0006tR-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 07 Oct 2002 10:35:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Travers To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 10:08:35 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version Message-ID: <4b819c4d78richto@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4B815B1D08%mik.towse@xemik.com> References: <47b53d814b.john@xl-cambridge.com> <4B815B1D08%mik.towse@xemik.com> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article <4B815B1D08%mik.towse@xemik.com>, Mik Towse wrote: > That would be nice if /Word/ preserved the 'original author's text > formatting'. IME you can't guarantee that what you've produced is what > will be displayed on the recipient's version of Word. Or even your own, next time you look at it! -- Richard Travers richto@argonet.co.uk Truro, Cornwall 01872 271125 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 8 20:07:50 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1034101083:20:00837:142".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 20:07:50 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1034101083:20:00837:142; Tue, 08 Oct 2002 18:18:03 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2000936; 8 Oct 2002 18:17 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17yyuw-0001xg-00; Tue, 08 Oct 2002 19:17:14 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g98IFZR09841 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 19:15:35 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g98IFYL09838 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 19:15:34 +0100 Received: from g6tsf.demon.co.uk ([158.152.255.214]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 17yytH-0005F7-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 08 Oct 2002 19:15:32 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 18:51:22 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Paul Shayler Disposition-Notification-To: Paul Shayler Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version References: <79a928804b.tim@worthy.demon.co.uk> <4b8055bdberay@raydawson.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S () Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message , David Pilling writes >>I would have thought that as you will be selling it as a Windows program, >>it would need to fit in with the windows way of doing things. > >Eventually yes, but initially users will be familiar with the Acorn >version. > >>As a matter of interest, is it a 32 bit windows app? > >Oh yes. 16 bit Windows is long in the past. To be honest as of today it >will only work on XP/NT/2K. Personally I wouldn't touch 95/98, but I >suspect it will have to work on them. Some of us do still run Win98, all the software that I need to use on the PC is happy with that. Why do I have to upgrade to WinXP or Win2K? I'm running a Toshiba laptop and would like to have OP-Win as an application on board. I know a few brownie points would be on offer for being able to us OP-Win on a Win98 platform. Regards, Paul S. -- Paul Shayler -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 8 22:26:07 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1034111856:10:26666:154".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 22:26:07 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1034111856:10:26666:154; Tue, 08 Oct 2002 21:17:36 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1108652; 8 Oct 2002 21:17 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17z1jC-0004QW-00; Tue, 08 Oct 2002 22:17:18 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g98LGht31183 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 22:16:43 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g98LGhT31179 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 22:16:43 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 17z1ic-0007OJ-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 08 Oct 2002 22:16:42 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 22:15:40 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version References: <79a928804b.tim@worthy.demon.co.uk> <4b8055bdberay@raydawson.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >Some of us do still run Win98, all the software that I need to use on >the PC is happy with that. Why do I have to upgrade to WinXP or Win2K? I've perhaps been interpreted too strongly. I have every intention that OP will run on the 95/98/ME kernel. However at the moment it doesn't. It came as nasty surprise to find that the 95/98/ME font manager is not the same as the NT/XP/2K one. The tricks needed to get decent results on XP etc. don't work on 95 etc. However realistically 95/98/ME are dead, time will move on, you'll find that new hardware isn't supported, new features only appear in XP. I also think they're poor operating systems. It's only my experience, but XP or NT usually runs for the day with no need to reboot. 98 tends to fall over once you do something complicated. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Oct 9 00:26:25 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1034116817:20:27331:140".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 00:26:25 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1034116817:20:27331:140; Tue, 08 Oct 2002 22:40:17 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2028001; 8 Oct 2002 22:40 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17z31F-0000Er-00; Tue, 08 Oct 2002 23:40:01 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g98MdEG06866 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 23:39:14 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from apollo.le.ac.uk (mailsend.le.ac.uk [143.210.16.125]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g98MdDS06862 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 23:39:14 +0100 Received: from mail.star.le.ac.uk ([143.210.36.58]) by apollo.le.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 17z30T-0006gt-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 08 Oct 2002 23:39:13 +0100 Received: (qmail 462 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2002 22:39:35 -0000 Received: from dms1.xra.le.ac.uk (HELO dms1) (143.210.40.191) by mail.star.le.ac.uk with SMTP; 8 Oct 2002 22:39:35 -0000 Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 23:39:13 +0100 (BST) From: Liam Gretton X-X-Sender: ljg@dms1 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On Tue, 8 Oct 2002, David Pilling wrote: > It's only my experience, but XP or NT usually runs for the day with no > need to reboot. 98 tends to fall over once you do something complicated. Quite. I have never been a fan of Windows, but XP is rock solid and fast as far as I'm concerned. I've been using it for about six months and it hasn't crashed *at all*. -- Liam Gretton ljg@star.le.ac.uk Space Research Centre, http://www.src.le.ac.uk/ Physics and Astronomy Dept, phone +44 (0) 116 223 1039 University of Leicester, fax +44 (0) 116 252 2464 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Oct 9 14:03:39 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1034146241:10:12889:42".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 14:03:39 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1034146241:10:12889:42; Wed, 09 Oct 2002 06:50:41 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1105610; 9 Oct 2002 6:50 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17zAfQ-0007gR-00; Wed, 09 Oct 2002 07:50:00 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g996nOg01177 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 07:49:24 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (mta06-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.46]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g996nNr01172 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 07:49:23 +0100 Received: from cmcqueen ([62.252.180.124]) by mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021009064921.ZWPH28874.mta06-svc.ntlworld.com@cmcqueen> for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 07:49:21 +0100 Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 06:55:26 GMT From: Colin McQueen To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60a (MsgServe/2.01beta) (RISC-OS/4.29) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message Liam Gretton wrote: > On Tue, 8 Oct 2002, David Pilling wrote: > > > It's only my experience, but XP or NT usually runs for the day with no > > need to reboot. 98 tends to fall over once you do something complicated. > > Quite. I have never been a fan of Windows, but XP is rock solid and fast > as far as I'm concerned. I've been using it for about six months and it > hasn't crashed *at all*. > You obviously don't get up to what I do. My laptop with XP has blue screened just switching windows in Notepad, lcoked solid more like when you run DreamWeaver, Flash and Publisher and try some facing footwork. No chance to use the task manager sometimes. Its way better than 98 but XP has crashed on me at least once a week. At school we have a mixture of 98 and XP and would consider Windows OP to supplement Publisher but I agree with David and 98 clients will be disappearing soon from our site. On the shortcuts point mentioned earlier I'd go for sticking with Windows standards of Ctrl-P and Ctrl-S etc. I'd get annoyed if my GNVQ pupils were printing out a raft of pages when all they were trying to do was get a screenshot to paste into their report. Could it be configurable? Will you be supplying a Microsoft installer system? Again that's preferable and may be the best route for controlling what applets are installed. -- Colin McQueen : Using an Acorn StrongARM Risc PC Web Domain : http://www.mcqueen.uk.net/ BSc Zoology + Oceanography : PGCE : MSc in CBL/T -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Oct 9 14:03:42 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1034155865:10:13141:70".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 14:03:42 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1034155865:10:13141:70; Wed, 09 Oct 2002 09:31:05 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1012543; 9 Oct 2002 9:30 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17zD0F-0004l2-00; Wed, 09 Oct 2002 10:19:39 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g999ItQ23217 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 10:18:55 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from blueyonder.co.uk (pcow057o.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.53.94]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g999IsB23210 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 10:18:54 +0100 Received: from pcow057o.blueyonder.co.uk ([127.0.0.1]) by blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Wed, 9 Oct 2002 10:18:54 +0100 Received: from RPC (unverified [213.48.249.111]) by pcow057o.blueyonder.co.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.9) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 10:18:54 +0100 Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 10:16:11 +0100 From: Bruce Goatly To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] Wimp Programming for All Message-ID: X-Organization: Perfect Page X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b User-Agent: POPstar/2.01b12 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist I've just been trying to look at the Wimp Programming for All files on the "RISC User in a Nutshell" CD and find that OPro won't load them... They were apparently produced on too old a version of Ovation. Is there a method of converting them? Or do I have to find my old Ovation disks and reinstall it? Bruce -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Oct 9 14:03:44 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1034158125:10:23259:118".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 14:03:44 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1034158125:10:23259:118; Wed, 09 Oct 2002 10:08:45 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1023960; 9 Oct 2002 10:08 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17zDVi-0007ii-00; Wed, 09 Oct 2002 10:52:10 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g999pwU29121 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 10:51:58 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (mta03-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.43]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g999pwR29116 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 10:51:58 +0100 Received: from Rpc ([80.7.0.9]) by mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021009095157.CYBK7631.mta03-svc.ntlworld.com@Rpc> for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 10:51:57 +0100 Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 10:48:24 +0100 From: John Sandford To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Wimp Programming for All Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60a (MsgServe/2.01beta) (RISC-OS/4.29) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message Bruce Goatly wrote: > I've just been trying to look at the Wimp Programming for All files on the > "RISC User in a Nutshell" CD and find that OPro won't load them... They were > apparently produced on too old a version of Ovation. > > Is there a method of converting them? Or do I have to find my old Ovation > disks and reinstall it? > > Bruce I thought there was an early version of OPro on the Ovation CD for this use. -- John Sandford West Herts UK Hemel Hempstead Risc OS User Group www.hhrug.org.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Oct 9 14:03:50 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1034146845:20:17960:50".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 14:03:50 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1034146845:20:17960:50; Wed, 09 Oct 2002 07:00:45 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2017258; 9 Oct 2002 7:00 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17zAp3-000822-00; Wed, 09 Oct 2002 07:59:57 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g996xp301986 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 07:59:51 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g996xoD01983 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 07:59:50 +0100 Received: from tab1.demon.co.uk ([194.222.128.184]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 17zAov-0005Pj-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 09 Oct 2002 07:59:49 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mick Burrell To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 07:58:40 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version Message-ID: <4b8298147emick@tab1.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.03c (RISC-OS/4.03) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article , Colin McQueen wrote: [Snip] > Will you be supplying a Microsoft installer system? Again that's > preferable and may be the best route for controlling what applets are > installed. No doubt this won't influence the decision about installing applets, but whilst it's fine for those of us used to OPro - we know what the applets do - one of my pet hates about Windows installers is when they ask you if you want to install feature A, B, C etc. of your brand new program when you have no idea what they are, and can't find out until you've installed the program and can read the help file! -- Mick Burrell -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Oct 9 14:03:51 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1034147742:20:09838:44".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 14:03:51 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1034147742:20:09838:44; Wed, 09 Oct 2002 07:15:42 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2102817; 9 Oct 2002 7:15 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17zB40-0007cP-00; Wed, 09 Oct 2002 08:15:24 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g997FH503330 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 08:15:17 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g997FHj03326 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 08:15:17 +0100 Received: from worthy.demon.co.uk ([62.49.21.99] helo=worthy) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17zB3s-000IDB-0X for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 09 Oct 2002 08:15:17 +0100 Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 08:15:10 +0100 From: Tim Howarth To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version Message-ID: <3a9799824b.tim@worthy.demon.co.uk> References: <79a928804b.tim@worthy.demon.co.uk> <4b8055bdberay@raydawson.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60a (MsgServe/2.01beta) (RISC-OS/4.29) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message David Pilling wrote: > It came as nasty surprise to find that the 95/98/ME font manager is not > the same as the NT/XP/2K one. (Speaking with no knowledege whatsoever.) Could you use the Adobe type manager? Does it do clever stuff like rotation ? Presumably licensing would be silly ? or some other 3rd party add-on font system. or do your own port/version of the Acorn one with anti-aliasing. What does Xara do ? Quark do ? i.e. rather than write for 9x and NT etc. use an add on which works for all. -- ___ |im ---- ARM Powered ---- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Oct 9 14:03:54 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1034160284:20:01661:136".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 14:03:54 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1034160284:20:01661:136; Wed, 09 Oct 2002 10:44:44 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ar2002726; 9 Oct 2002 10:44 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17zEAu-00035s-00; Wed, 09 Oct 2002 11:34:44 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g99AY1e04036 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 11:34:01 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from blueyonder.co.uk (pcow057o.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.53.94]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g99AY1w04032 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 11:34:01 +0100 Received: from pcow057o.blueyonder.co.uk ([127.0.0.1]) by blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Wed, 9 Oct 2002 11:34:01 +0100 Received: from RPC (unverified [213.48.249.111]) by pcow057o.blueyonder.co.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.9) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 11:34:01 +0100 Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 11:31:26 +0100 From: Bruce Goatly To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Wimp Programming for All Message-ID: <928fab824b%ovation@goatly.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Perfect Page X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b User-Agent: POPstar/2.01b12 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message you wrote: > In message > Bruce Goatly wrote: > > > I've just been trying to look at the Wimp Programming for All files on the > > "RISC User in a Nutshell" CD and find that OPro won't load them... They were > > apparently produced on too old a version of Ovation. > > > > Is there a method of converting them? Or do I have to find my old Ovation > > disks and reinstall it? > > > > Bruce > I thought there was an early version of OPro on the Ovation CD for this > use. > Maybe - my memory is going. Roger King has pointed out to me that the Ovation1 applet does the trick. When I upgraded a while back I removed a load of applets because they slowed the loading of OPro down so much. I've just found Ovation1, installed it and it works... Thanks, Roger. Bruce -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Oct 9 14:03:54 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1034167155:20:25489:75".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 14:03:54 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1034167155:20:25489:75; Wed, 09 Oct 2002 12:39:15 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2116908; 9 Oct 2002 12:38 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17zDj5-0008Q8-00; Wed, 09 Oct 2002 11:05:59 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g99A5qd31675 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 11:05:52 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from altrade.nijmegen.internl.net (altrade.nijmegen.internl.net [217.149.192.18]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g99A5qn31671 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 11:05:52 +0100 Received: from padua by altrade.nijmegen.internl.net via 1Cust41.tnt41.rtm1.nl.uu.net [213.117.0.41] with SMTP for id MAA28720 (8.8.8/1.3); Wed, 9 Oct 2002 12:05:09 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <004e01c26f7b$a378d1e0$0100a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: "Ovation Pro" References: <79a928804b.tim@worthy.demon.co.uk> <4b8055bdberay@raydawson.com> <3a9799824b.tim@worthy.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 11:48:11 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On Wed 09 Oct, "Tim Howarth" wrote: > In message > David Pilling wrote: > > > It came as nasty surprise to find that the 95/98/ME font manager is not > > the same as the NT/XP/2K one. > > (Speaking with no knowledege whatsoever.) > > Could you use the Adobe type manager? > The *free* Adobe