From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jul 3 12:34:14 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1025688579:20:05031:114".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 12:34:14 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1025688579:20:05031:114; Wed, 03 Jul 2002 09:29:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2005350; 3 Jul 2002 9:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g639UlQ21219 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 10:30:47 +0100 Received: from altrade.nijmegen.internl.net (altrade.nijmegen.internl.net [217.149.192.18]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g639UiM21214 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 10:30:45 +0100 Received: from padua by altrade.nijmegen.internl.net via 1Cust56.tnt28.rtm1.nl.uu.net [213.116.150.56] with SMTP for id LAA22535 (8.8.8/1.3); Wed, 3 Jul 2002 11:27:13 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <000c01c22274$23b37770$4d01a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: "Ovation Pro" References: <005501c221aa$2d9b8900$4d01a8c0@padua> <17001.195.152.254.85.1025612422.squirrel@email.argonet.co.uk> Subject: Re: Importing graphics using DDF-commands Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 11:28:57 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 02 Jul, "David Breakwell" wrote: about > OLE ... > a drawfile or artworks type header. ... > an extended drawfile format and > DDF is a text format and can only be used > to store text story information (inclusing styles, rulers etc but not > embedded graphics). DDL as used by OP is a Document Description Language > and contains a full description of a document or story. Thank you for the extensive explanation. mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jul 3 12:34:21 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1025684040:10:01956:56".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 12:34:21 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1025684040:10:01956:56; Wed, 03 Jul 2002 08:14:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1001359; 3 Jul 2002 8:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g638Er420900 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 09:14:53 +0100 Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (frogger.freedom2.net [213.161.67.203]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g638EpM20897 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 09:14:51 +0100 Received: from [62.188.156.112] (helo=RiscPC) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17PfEU-0000OJ-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 03 Jul 2002 09:11:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 20:01:03 +0100 Subject: Re: Importing graphics using DDF-commands Message-ID: <4b4fde75a7steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <56210.195.152.254.85.1025599335.squirrel@email.argonet.co.uk> References: <4b4fa5086apaul@delink.nl> <56210.195.152.254.85.1025599335.squirrel@email.argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <56210.195.152.254.85.1025599335.squirrel@email.argonet.co.uk>, David Breakwell wrote: > 1. Create DDL natively - the easy way is to create an outline document > in OP and save it out - you can then see where the various bits go (it > is very structured and not difficult to disect). Certainly is, otherwise I'd not have managed the Organizer export scripts so easily. > I have a BASIC program > that will convert graphics files to OP if you need some code for this. Does that create fairly large OP files as a result? Maybe a method of inserting pointers to the graphic file would be a better route? -- Steve Pampling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jul 3 12:34:22 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1025684406:10:10965:55".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 12:34:22 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1025684406:10:10965:55; Wed, 03 Jul 2002 08:20:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1009949; 3 Jul 2002 8:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g638L3d20974 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 09:21:03 +0100 Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (frogger.freedom2.net [213.161.67.203]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g638L0M20970 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 09:21:01 +0100 Received: from frogger ([127.0.0.1] helo=argonet.co.uk) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17PfKV-0000WC-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 03 Jul 2002 09:17:39 +0100 Received: from 195.152.254.85 (proxying for unknown) (WebMail authenticated user bb07) by email.argonet.co.uk with HTTP; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 09:17:39 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <55304.195.152.254.85.1025684259.squirrel@email.argonet.co.uk> Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 09:17:39 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: Importing graphics using DDF-commands From: "David Breakwell" To: In-Reply-To: <4b4fde75a7steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> References: <4b4fde75a7steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: WebMail (version 3.21 ß) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > In article > <56210.195.152.254.85.1025599335.squirrel@email.argonet.co.uk>, > David Breakwell wrote: > >> 1. Create DDL natively - the easy way is to create an outline document >> in OP and save it out - you can then see where the various bits go (it >> is very structured and not difficult to disect). > > Certainly is, otherwise I'd not have managed the Organizer export > scripts so easily. > >> I have a BASIC program >> that will convert graphics files to OP if you need some code for this. > > Does that create fairly large OP files as a result? > Maybe a method of inserting pointers to the graphic file would be a > better route? > Reasonably large - you can do image references in DDL - it depends what you want to do with the file afterwards... David -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jul 3 12:34:22 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1025684869:10:22688:141".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 12:34:22 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1025684869:10:22688:141; Wed, 03 Jul 2002 08:27:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1115199; 3 Jul 2002 8:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g638Smj21058 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 09:28:48 +0100 Received: from host1.kbnet.co.uk (host1.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g638SkM21055 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 09:28:46 +0100 Received: from kbnet.co.uk (host62-7-135-233.webport.bt.net [62.7.135.233]) by host1.kbnet.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g638TcF03284 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 08:29:38 GMT Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 09:00:28 +0100 From: Mike Williams To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Buying Ovation Pro? Message-ID: <38d125504b.akalat@akalat.kbnet.co.uk> References: <000101c22150$1649a2a0$04fea8c0@hpbrio> In-Reply-To: <000101c22150$1649a2a0$04fea8c0@hpbrio> X-Organization: Akalat Publishing User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/3.60) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <000101c22150$1649a2a0$04fea8c0@hpbrio> you wrote: > Hi, > > As a long term Impression User for professional Graphics work, I am > considering moving over to Ovation for two reasons: > > Memory usage: Impression is failing on RISC OS 4 with larger documents > 50Mb plus. Is that true even when using the application directory format, which reduces memory requirements significantly. Again with Ovation Pro large documents benefit by using referenced pictures, where the full res image is linked to the document rather than being embedded in it. > > Document Print Hanndling: I need to be able to create magazine type > layouts which I need to then create with the page layouts set up > correctly for print eg. page 2 and 3 next to each on screen when > designing but on the final layout it could be page 2 & 16, impression > does not do this when you need all the crop marks, registration marks et > al. Also it would be nice if I could set up one business card design and > then have Ovation lay it out four up on A5 with no margins between cards > ready for cutting but with crop marks etc. round the outisde. > A major weakness with Impression - impose two pages side by side with crop marks and the pages are pushed apart by the crop marks. > How does Ovation fare in these respects? > I use the Pamphlet printing option for this purpose and it works fine with all crop and reg marks correctly placed. Thumbnails would not do this as Thumbnails maintains the on screen sequence, rather than the imposed order. Acorn Publisher is produced in Ovation Pro and output as imposed pairs without problem. Mike Williams Akalat Publishing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jul 3 18:19:10 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1025716087:10:07731:66".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 18:19:10 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1025716087:10:07731:66; Wed, 03 Jul 2002 17:08:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1100502; 3 Jul 2002 17:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g63H8jv22066 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 18:08:45 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g63H8hM22063 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 18:08:43 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 17PnaI-000777-0U for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 03 Jul 2002 18:06:30 +0100 Message-ID: <$o7i38FP7yI9EwIe@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 18:05:19 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: David Pilling Subject: Re: Numbering copies References: <000101c22150$1649a2a0$04fea8c0@hpbrio> <38d125504b.akalat@akalat.kbnet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <38d125504b.akalat@akalat.kbnet.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I'd say look at the advanced mail merge document (on my web site) or better read the chapter on mail merge in the 'new' manual - i.e. the manual on CD. OP can handle printing 'bingo tickets' (random numbers) or entry tickets (sequential numbers). -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jul 3 18:19:13 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1025716055:20:02368:84".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 18:19:13 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1025716055:20:02368:84; Wed, 03 Jul 2002 17:07:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2103698; 3 Jul 2002 17:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g63H85p22061 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 18:08:05 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g63H83M22058 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 18:08:03 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 17PnZe-0006rm-0U for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 03 Jul 2002 18:05:50 +0100 Message-ID: <5IQjPiFh6yI9Ewr4@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 18:04:33 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: David Pilling Subject: Numbering Copies References: <000101c22150$1649a2a0$04fea8c0@hpbrio> <38d125504b.akalat@akalat.kbnet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <38d125504b.akalat@akalat.kbnet.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 14:09:54 +0100 >From: Martin Young I am producing a Programme for our local festive day - a Ram Roast. We are going to sell Programmes as an entry fee and are going to give a prize to the winner of a lucky draw. This will be a number printed on the front cover. The number has to be incremental or there might be a riot. The whole thing is going to be a 4 sheet pamphlet. How do you achieve this with !OPro. I had a look at Sequence but don't think it will h e l p. I can always pass the front sheet through again but was hoping for a sophisticated method. Well any method would be fine as I am easy to please, and to the person who hel ps goes my heart felt thanks and if I see them in our local pub I'll buy them a pint of two! Martin Young Bridestowe. PS if you're in the West Devon area on August 3rd pop in to see us in festive mood, ie pissed. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jul 3 20:19:11 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1025723385:10:12728:80".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 20:19:11 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1025723385:10:12728:80; Wed, 03 Jul 2002 19:09:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1120966; 3 Jul 2002 19:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g63JAs222319 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 20:10:54 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g63JApM22316 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 20:10:51 +0100 Received: from myoung.demon.co.uk ([193.237.60.88]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17PpUT-000Nwq-0U for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 03 Jul 2002 20:08:37 +0100 Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 20:10:33 +0100 From: Martin Young To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Numbering copies Message-ID: <172a63504b.myoung@myoung.demon.co.uk> References: <38d125504b.akalat@akalat.kbnet.co.uk> <$o7i38FP7yI9EwIe@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <$o7i38FP7yI9EwIe@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50 (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <$o7i38FP7yI9EwIe@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > I'd say look at the advanced mail merge document (on my web site) or > better read the chapter on mail merge in the 'new' manual - i.e. the > manual on CD. > > OP can handle printing 'bingo tickets' (random numbers) or entry tickets > (sequential numbers). > Many thanks. As always the answer lies in the manual. Suitably contrite. Martin Young -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jul 5 22:22:14 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1025903306:10:27186:64".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 22:22:14 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1025903306:10:27186:64; Fri, 05 Jul 2002 21:08:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1121971; 5 Jul 2002 21:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g65L85o25884 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 22:08:05 +0100 Received: from msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.148]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g65L83M25881 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 22:08:03 +0100 Received: from onetel.net.uk (async22-7.nas.onetel.net.uk [212.67.103.22]) by msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AHW43226; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 22:05:33 +0100 (BST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Roger Penniceard To: Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 22:04:18 +0100 Subject: Re: Buying Ovation Pro? Message-ID: <4b5175403drogersps@onetel.net.uk> In-Reply-To: <000101c22150$1649a2a0$04fea8c0@hpbrio> References: <000101c22150$1649a2a0$04fea8c0@hpbrio> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03a (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro The only aspect of OvationPro that I find maddening compared with Impression is the Tab ruler. Unlike Impression the text margins and tabs are not shown on the general ruler but on a ruler that is called when required. The ruler appears over the first highlighted line, thus often covering the feature one is trying to line up with. To get around this it is possible to use the less than intuitive feature of highlighting from the bottom to the top in which case the ruler appears over the highlighted section. However if one wants to adjust a tab on a single line to match a position on the line above the ruler always obscures the line above. To add to the torment a large box appears to allow you to enter figures again adding to the obstruction. In addition unlike in Impression where you can immediately see what is happening as you drag a tab or margin, in OP you have to click a button before you can see that things are not alligned as you want them. In Impression if you highlight an area where the tabs are different on different lines the ruler presentation lets you know there is a variation and allows you to unify the tabs over the highlighted section by clicking on any of the margins or tabs. Not so in OP. I know this has been discussed before but I can't understand why more people transferring from Impression have not complained about this. This is the only reasion that I still often use Impression and is the only aspect of OP that is very poor and frustrating compared with Impression. Roger -- ||||| ||| ||| ||||| Roger Penniceard ||||| |||| ||||| rogersps@onetel.net.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jul 6 02:07:20 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1025916924:20:06139:52".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 02:07:20 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1025916924:20:06139:52; Sat, 06 Jul 2002 00:55:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2105446; 6 Jul 2002 0:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g660vUM26169 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 01:57:30 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g660vSM26166 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 01:57:28 +0100 Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17QdqV-000CJj-0W for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 06 Jul 2002 01:54:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2002 01:50:56 +0100 Subject: Re: Buying Ovation Pro? Message-ID: <4b5189ffceJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b5175403drogersps@onetel.net.uk> References: <000101c22150$1649a2a0$04fea8c0@hpbrio> <4b5175403drogersps@onetel.net.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04c (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4b5175403drogersps@onetel.net.uk>, Roger Penniceard wrote: > The only aspect of OvationPro that I find maddening compared with > Impression is the Tab ruler... I've never used impression, but I agree completely about the nuisance of the OP tab ruler getting in the way of what one wants to see... -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jul 6 13:35:33 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1025952771:10:14699:87".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 13:35:33 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1025952771:10:14699:87; Sat, 06 Jul 2002 10:52:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1015881; 6 Jul 2002 10:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g66AsG326682 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 11:54:16 +0100 Received: from smtp03.wxs.nl (smtp03.wxs.nl [195.121.6.37]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g66AsEM26679 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 11:54:14 +0100 Received: from delink.planet.nl ([213.75.53.119]) by smtp03.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GYTQ5F01.VA4 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 12:51:15 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Sprangers To: Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2002 12:47:33 +0200 Subject: Mail merging (was: Importing graphics using DDF commands) Message-ID: <4b51c09f46paul@delink.nl> In-Reply-To: <56210.195.152.254.85.1025599335.squirrel@email.argonet.co.uk> References: <4b4fa5086apaul@delink.nl> <56210.195.152.254.85.1025599335.squirrel@email.argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro David Breakwell advised: > 1. Create DDL natively - the easy way is to create an outline document > in OP and save it out - you can then see where the various bits go (it > is very structured and not difficult to disect). I have a BASIC program > that will convert graphics files to OP if you need some code for this. > 2. Mail merge your data into OP - mail merge can include graphics. > 3. Write an OP script to insert DDL into your file when a trigger text is > reached (advanced search and replace). Starting with the latter: unfortunately I can't write OP scripts. And creating DDL natively is beyond my skills as well - despite David Pillings suggestion that creating DDL or DDF is equally easy (or hard). Besides, a DDL file of the booklet that I intend to make is awfully large, where the appropriate DDF script counts no more than 8 simple lines (albeit without picture import, of course). So I tried to do the job with mail merging. The true benefit was my first plunge into the fascinating world of advanced merging techniques. And I did manage to merge pictures into some test files. However, the attempt to replace the old pamphlet (with beautiful lay-out) by a working mail merging document completely failed. Text merges perfectly (well... see later), even when spread over two frames per record. But whatever I try, the frames that should contain the referenced pictures (six on a page), seem to be linked somehow, since they all contain the same picture - being the first one of every page. I mean, when clicking on Next, all pictures change to the first one of the new page, where the accompanying text merges continuously without problem. What am I doing wrong? A second, and big, problem is, that by no means I can get OPro to print the single page in a pamphlet way. A possible solution perhaps is to create as many pages as will be needed, all filled with the same merging tags. But that involves as much work as importing the pictures manually in the old model, isn't it? The third problem is perhaps even unsolvable. The texts contain lines like: Director: Steven Spielberg Music: John Williams etc... ..where Director and Music is fixed text and Steven Spielberg and John Williams are imported from the relative fields. My database script (which generates a DDF file) easily wipes these lines when there is no director or no music. As far as I've understood, mail merging commands can also skip lines when the relevant field is empty, but they cannot wipe the preceding fixed text. Or can they? Very curious about replies, Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jul 6 13:35:38 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1025957483:10:00601:56".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 13:35:38 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1025957483:10:00601:56; Sat, 06 Jul 2002 12:11:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1103432; 6 Jul 2002 12:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g66CDDQ26815 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 13:13:13 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g66CDAM26812 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 13:13:11 +0100 Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 17QoOG-0000tT-0U for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 06 Jul 2002 13:10:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2002 12:57:41 +0100 Subject: Re: Mail merging (was: Importing graphics using DDF commands) Message-ID: <4b51c70afcJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b51c09f46paul@delink.nl> References: <4b4fa5086apaul@delink.nl> <56210.195.152.254.85.1025599335.squirrel@email.argonet.co.uk> <4b51c09f46paul@delink.nl> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04c (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4b51c09f46paul@delink.nl>, Paul Sprangers wrote: > Besides, a DDL file of the booklet that I intend to make is awfully > large, where the appropriate DDF script counts no more than 8 simple > lines (albeit without picture import, of course). That sounds odd to me, though I don't know anything about DDF. Can you post the DDF sample along with an explanation of what it means so that DDF-ignorant people like me can understand your problem? [snip] > The third problem is perhaps even unsolvable. > The texts contain lines like: > Director: Steven Spielberg > Music: John Williams > etc... > ...where Director and Music is fixed text and Steven Spielberg and John > Williams are imported from the relative fields. > My database script (which generates a DDF file) easily wipes these > lines when there is no director or no music. As far as I've understood, > mail merging commands can also skip lines when the relevant field is > empty, but they cannot wipe the preceding fixed text. Or can they? I think the solution is to make the fixed fields not-fixed so that they only have values when there are names about to follow them. -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jul 6 14:05:25 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1025960002:10:16475:59".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 14:05:25 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1025960002:10:16475:59; Sat, 06 Jul 2002 12:53:22 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1016264; 6 Jul 2002 12:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g66Cta426923 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 13:55:36 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g66CtYM26920 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 13:55:34 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 17Qp3N-0004Bu-0U for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 06 Jul 2002 13:52:45 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 13:51:20 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: David Pilling Subject: Re: Mail merging (was: Importing graphics using DDF commands) References: <4b4fa5086apaul@delink.nl> <56210.195.152.254.85.1025599335.squirrel@email.argonet.co.uk> <4b51c09f46paul@delink.nl> In-Reply-To: <4b51c09f46paul@delink.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >And creating DDL natively is beyond my skills as well - despite David >Pillings suggestion that creating DDL or DDF is equally easy (or hard). The OP DDF loader converts DDF to DDL. I'm thinking here that you might use it by hand to convert your DDF, you can then see how they're equivalent, and only change the bits that need changing. >Besides, a DDL file of the booklet that I intend to make is awfully large, >where the appropriate DDF script counts no more than 8 simple lines (albeit >without picture import, of course). DDL can be used in two modes - one to reproduce an entire document, another to just contain some text. Clearly the whole document mode produces large files, they've got to define everything about the document. For bits of text the size will be little different to DDF. To get an example DDL file for some text mark some text and use the save selection feature in OP. >per record. But whatever I try, the frames that should contain the >referenced pictures (six on a page), seem to be linked somehow, since they >all contain the same picture - being the first one of every page. Presumably you've got the mail merge data wrong so that the same picture is used instead of different ones. >A second, and big, problem is, that by no means I can get OPro to print the >single page in a pamphlet way. Goto the Print window, set pamphlet mode (and any other printing parameters), click on Set, save the document. Now goto the mailmerge window and any printing will take place with the parameters you just set e.g. pamphlet mode. >A possible solution perhaps is to create as many pages as will be needed, >all filled with the same merging tags. But that involves as much work as >importing the pictures manually in the old model, isn't it? I'm not sure I've understood the problem here... >The texts contain lines like: >Director: Steven Spielberg >..where Director and Music is fixed text and Steven Spielberg and John >Williams are imported from the relative fields. >the relevant field is empty, but they cannot wipe the preceding fixed text. >Or can they? There's probably an evil trick involving a mail merge field with a move command in it (move back over the fixed text) and a line of spaces (blot it out). That will only work if text background colour is set. As Jeremy Nicoll said you could extend the merged data to include text like "Director". Or you could make the mail merge field add this to the data it reads from the csv file. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jul 6 14:50:27 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1025962852:20:06583:58".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 14:50:27 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1025962852:20:06583:58; Sat, 06 Jul 2002 13:40:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2006570; 6 Jul 2002 13:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g66DhJl27031 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 14:43:19 +0100 Received: from smtp06.wxs.nl (smtp06.wxs.nl [195.121.6.58]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g66DhGM27028 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 14:43:16 +0100 Received: from delink.planet.nl ([213.75.52.218]) by smtp06.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GYTXZ802.R7J for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 15:40:20 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Sprangers To: Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2002 15:33:55 +0200 Subject: Mail merging (was: Importing graphics using DDF commands) Message-ID: <4b51cfda64paul@delink.nl> In-Reply-To: <4b51c70afcJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> References: <4b4fa5086apaul@delink.nl> <56210.195.152.254.85.1025599335.squirrel@email.argonet.co.uk> <4b51c09f46paul@delink.nl> <4b51c70afcJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Jeremy C B Nicoll wrote: >> a DDL file of the booklet that I intend to make is awfully > > large, where the appropriate DDF script counts no more than 8 simple > > lines (albeit without picture import, of course). > That sounds odd to me, though I don't know anything about DDF. Sorry. Only the database script counts 8 lines. The DDF file that it creates is much larger, of course. I've sent an example to Jeremy. Kind regards, Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jul 6 16:50:28 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1025969828:10:00843:52".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 16:50:28 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1025969828:10:00843:52; Sat, 06 Jul 2002 15:37:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1112239; 6 Jul 2002 15:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g66FcZl27271 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 16:38:35 +0100 Received: from smtp08.wxs.nl (smtp08.wxs.nl [195.121.6.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g66FcXM27268 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 16:38:33 +0100 Received: from delink.planet.nl ([213.75.53.6]) by smtp08.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GYU3BB01.75Y for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 17:35:35 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Sprangers To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2002 17:35:29 +0200 Subject: Mail merging (was: Importing graphics using DDF commands) Message-ID: <4b51dafb90paul@delink.nl> In-Reply-To: References: <4b4fa5086apaul@delink.nl> <56210.195.152.254.85.1025599335.squirrel@email.argonet.co.uk> <4b51c09f46paul@delink.nl> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro David Pilling wrote: > To get an example DDL file for some text mark some text and use the > save selection feature in OP. Point taken. And it works indeed... for text. But how do I add referenced picture import? >> since they all contain the same picture - being the first one of every >> page. > Presumably you've got the mail merge data wrong so that the same picture > is used instead of different ones. Wich data? The tag? Or the Field script? Or something else? As far as I know I did everything according to what te manual told me to do (and I did it 47 times). > Goto the Print window, set pamphlet mode (and any other printing > parameters), click on Set, save the document. etc. Yes. This works, Thank you very much. > As Jeremy Nicoll said you could extend the merged data to include text > like "Director". This is unacceptable, as it changes the database contents in a silly way. > Or you could make the mail merge field add this to the data it reads > from the csv file. That sounds a lot better, but how is this to be done? Kind regards, Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jul 6 17:20:28 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1025972052:20:01739:51".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 17:20:28 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1025972052:20:01739:51; Sat, 06 Jul 2002 16:14:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2000785; 6 Jul 2002 16:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g66GG0n27374 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 17:16:00 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g66GFwM27371 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 17:15:58 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17QsBG-0004EO-0Y for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 06 Jul 2002 17:13:06 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 17:11:40 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: David Pilling Subject: Re: Mail merging (was: Importing graphics using DDF commands) References: <4b4fa5086apaul@delink.nl> <56210.195.152.254.85.1025599335.squirrel@email.argonet.co.uk> <4b51c09f46paul@delink.nl> <4b51dafb90paul@delink.nl> In-Reply-To: <4b51dafb90paul@delink.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >> To get an example DDL file for some text mark some text and use the >> save selection feature in OP. >Point taken. And it works indeed... for text. >But how do I add referenced picture import? Mark off an embedded picture and export it. To be honest I suspect such an import won't work too well, and you may not want embedded frames. >Wich data? The tag? Or the Field script? Or something else? One tag for each record in the csv file. One field script for each tag. From what has been said here I can't understand enough. >As far as I know I did everything according to what te manual told me to do >(and I did it 47 times). That seems a lot. >That sounds a lot better, but how is this to be done? something like if(record=="") then macv="" else macv="Director:"+record -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 9 22:25:30 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1025972533:20:10889:66".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 22:25:30 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1025972533:20:10889:66; Sat, 06 Jul 2002 16:22:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2010710; 6 Jul 2002 16:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g66GOeI27401 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 17:24:40 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g66GOcM27398 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 17:24:38 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17QsJe-0004xX-0Y for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 06 Jul 2002 17:21:47 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 17:20:11 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: David Pilling Subject: Re: Mail merging (was: Importing graphics using DDF commands) References: <4b4fa5086apaul@delink.nl> <56210.195.152.254.85.1025599335.squirrel@email.argonet.co.uk> <4b51c09f46paul@delink.nl> <4b51dafb90paul@delink.nl> In-Reply-To: <4b51dafb90paul@delink.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >> As Jeremy Nicoll said you could extend the merged data to include text >> like "Director". >This is unacceptable, as it changes the database contents in a silly way. Well it depends, if you're exporting a csv file, then you could edit that, or some databases will give you formatting control over the generation of the csv file. If you've got N records in your database and you want to print an N page document (with more than one page per piece of paper), the usual snag is that OP won't let you generate that as a N copies of a 1 page document. So you've got to produce N pages, each page has tags in for the fields in one database record. Then the last tag has a nextrecord() command. This is described in the OP manual - for the classic situation of label printing. The question then is why might this not work for pictures. Well they all have to have different names. And it would be interesting to know if all the pictures are the same, are they copies of the first picture or the last. How are the pictures stored - all on disc or inside a database? -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 9 22:25:41 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1026038084:20:18341:54".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 22:25:41 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1026038084:20:18341:54; Sun, 07 Jul 2002 10:34:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2018101; 7 Jul 2002 10:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g67AZe028652 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 11:35:40 +0100 Received: from smtp02.wxs.nl (smtp02.wxs.nl [195.121.6.54]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g67AZbM28649 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 11:35:37 +0100 Received: from delink.planet.nl ([213.75.53.69]) by smtp02.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GYVJY402.M59 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 12:32:28 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Sprangers To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2002 12:30:44 +0200 Subject: Mail merging (was: Importing graphics using DDF commands) Message-ID: <4b5242eb0bpaul@delink.nl> In-Reply-To: References: <4b4fa5086apaul@delink.nl> <56210.195.152.254.85.1025599335.squirrel@email.argonet.co.uk> <4b51c09f46paul@delink.nl> <4b51dafb90paul@delink.nl> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro David Pilling wrote: > Mark off an embedded picture and export it. To be honest I suspect such > an import won't work too well, and you may not want embedded frames. Rather not. Nevertheless I've tried this, but then it appeared that using embedded frames, picture reference is no longer possible. So I returned to the advanced mail merging. Thanks to all the suggestions I've come quite far now. Picture importing now works well (in spite of my 47 former tries, it appeared that, cough, I didn't read the manual carefully enough). I also managed to skip fixed text, when the relevant field is empty. But... I can't manage to skip the blank line that is created by all that skipping. I therefore installed the !MergeLib macro and entered the required text into the Fields window - {macv=merge_strip(x,y)} First of all, I don't really understand which values x and y represent. X seems to be the relevant field number, but what is y? Anyhow, whatever I enter (and whatever effect it causes), blank lines don't get skipped. Perhaps something is wrong with the !MergeLib macro too, as I get a Serious Error warning, as soon as it is started up, saying: Multiple definition. The worst thing, however, is that, in spite of what I wrote before, printing doesn't work. I now have a single page, containing 6 groups of three frames, each of them having the merging tags. When I start mail merging on screen, everything seems to work fine for all of the 10 pages of the entire document. Now I want to print these pages as a pamphlet. I did what Mr. Pilling suggested: opening the Print window, setting everything for the pamphlet printing (including the back pages only, to start with), click on Set, save the file, and start merging. First of all, the on screen merging now still shows the front pages. And when the real printing starts, 10 pages are produced, rather than 3. Ten BLANK pages, to be precise. The same is true when I change printing settings - for example to Normal. Interesting or annoying? Kind regards, Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 9 22:25:43 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1026060193:20:12385:53".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 22:25:43 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1026060193:20:12385:53; Sun, 07 Jul 2002 16:43:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2113131; 7 Jul 2002 16:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g67GiQF28999 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 17:44:26 +0100 Received: from mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (mta06-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.46]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g67GiNM28996 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 17:44:23 +0100 Received: from riscpc.at.home ([80.4.7.169]) by mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020707164119.VICC4119.mta06-svc.ntlworld.com@riscpc.at.home> for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 17:41:19 +0100 Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2002 17:41:04 +0100 From: John Pettigrew To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: X-Organization: XL Cambridge User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60 (MsgServe/2.00bS) (RISC-OS/4.02) Subject: NudgePal query X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro How can I stop NudgePal setting a Key macro for Ctrl-K every time that it starts? I prefer using this for the OvPro default command of delete object. Thanks, John -- John Pettigrew XL Cambridge - contract and freelance editing Biology specialist Molecular biology, genetics, biotechnology john@xl-cambridge.com http://www.xl-cambridge.com/ PGP public key available -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 9 22:25:51 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1026128992:20:24688:73".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 22:25:51 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1026128992:20:24688:73; Mon, 08 Jul 2002 11:49:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2115279; 8 Jul 2002 11:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g68BpZ730411 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 12:51:35 +0100 Received: from msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.149]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68BpWM30408 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 12:51:33 +0100 Received: from Caslon.english.co.uk (213-78-93-232.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.93.232]) by msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AIC00770; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 12:48:08 +0100 (BST) Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Mon, 08 Jul 2002 12:46:53 +0100 Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 12:46:47 +0100 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: EPS printing Message-ID: <78b7cd524b%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b52c2c8basbellon@sbellon.de> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: POPstar/2.02 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Stefan Bellon wrote: > Hi! > > Sorry if this is a FAQ. I haven't been following discussions on this > list recently, but now I wanted to print out a few EPS files with > OvationPro (version 2.67 here). However I've read that OEPS can only > print on a PostScript-capable printer (which I don't have) and the EPS > files I want to print don't have a preview image inside them. > > So, I'd like to ask whether those two are the only options I have or > whether I missed something: > > 1) Configure a RISC OS PostScript printer driver, print to a file, load > this file into RiScript and print from there (bah, complicated). > Riscript is probably your best bet if you want to do it all on the Risc OS platform. Try loading your eps files directly into RiScript and then saving them as Draw files which can be loaded into OvPro. The preview idea is probably not so good, since the preview would be a low resolution image. If you really wanted one you could probably do it with ghostscript, but that might be messier than with RiScript. EPS files are fragments of postscript which are just fed out into the postscript stream during printing. As far as I know, OvPro doesn't interpret them, except for extracting a preview if there is one for screen display purposes. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 9 22:25:51 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1026130975:20:20955:64".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 22:25:51 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1026130975:20:20955:64; Mon, 08 Jul 2002 12:22:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2020882; 8 Jul 2002 12:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g68COx230584 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 13:24:59 +0100 Received: from localhost (foobar@pD9506598.dip.t-dialin.net [217.80.101.152]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68COvM30581 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 13:24:57 +0100 Received: from veni.localnet ([192.168.0.104] helo=veni) by localhost with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17RXWP-0000TU-00 for ; Mon, 08 Jul 2002 14:21:41 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Bellon To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 14:20:43 +0200 Subject: Re: EPS printing Message-ID: <4b52d0d2c8sbellon@sbellon.de> In-Reply-To: <78b7cd524b%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> References: <4b52c2c8basbellon@sbellon.de> <78b7cd524b%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04c (RISC-OS/4.29) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro David Graddol wrote: [snip] > Riscript is probably your best bet if you want to do it all on > the Risc OS platform. Oh, I would be fine with a tool "eps2drawfile" for Linux as well. ;-) > Try loading your eps files directly into RiScript and then saving > them as Draw files which can be loaded into OvPro. Yes, that's what I'm doing ATM. But I have _lots_ of EPS files and I don't want to do this by hand. This isn't going to be my final results, it's just a quick draft I want to print out. And OvationPro seems to me the program which lets me do this quickest. But ... > The preview idea is probably not so good, since the preview would > be a low resolution image. If you really wanted one you could > probably do it with ghostscript, but that might be messier than > with RiScript. Yes, I agree. > EPS files are fragments of postscript which are just fed out into > the postscript stream during printing. As far as I know, OvPro > doesn't interpret them, except for extracting a preview if there > is one for screen display purposes. That's how I understood it as well. But as it's just for a draft, I think I could live with preview quality. Well, perhaps it's easier to convert the EPS files indeed to something like TIFF and import that into OvationPro. The final results will be done in LaTeX anyway, so EPS is no problem for the final result, just for my draft now. -- Stefan Bellon * * PGP 2 and OpenPGP keys available from my home page ... A)bort R)etry G)et a stick and kill it. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 9 22:25:53 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1026160630:20:00251:121".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 22:25:53 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1026160630:20:00251:121; Mon, 08 Jul 2002 20:37:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2114536; 8 Jul 2002 20:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g68KdVO31334 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 21:39:31 +0100 Received: from obelix.spectraweb.ch (obelix.plusnet.ch [194.158.230.8]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68KdSM31331 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 21:39:28 +0100 Received: from janvredenburchsmile.ch (abo-mu-1-1-dialup-209.spectraweb.ch [194.230.153.209]) by obelix.spectraweb.ch (8.11.2/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with SMTP id g68Ka0Y17005 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 22:36:00 +0200 Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 22:09:02 +0200 (BST) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: Buying Ovation Pro? To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <000101c22150$1649a2a0$04fea8c0@hpbrio> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: CIC member; Secretariaat St. Van Vredenburch X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 02 Jul, Ian ODonnell wrote: snip some > Also it would be nice if I could set up one business card design and > then have Ovation lay it out four up on A5 with no margins between cards > ready for cutting but with crop marks etc. round the outisde. > > How does Ovation fare in these respects? In a superb way. Even easier if you use pre-defined card layouts as: Zweckform 32010 db Boeder no. 10570 Zweckform 32017 (double visiting cards) albeit all designed for A4 paper size. The nice thing: you do not need crop marks etc. ... Just read the settings, enter these in OvPro Master frame, decide whether to link the frames, and all is set. You only need to draw/prcise one frame. The rest are created by copying. The manual gives all info you need. This system can be used with several Applets actually available. If you do not succeed, mail me directly with details of your card layout. That is: one single card. Greetings JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch, CH - 6006 Luzern **new email address** email: janvredenburch@smile.ch . -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 9 22:25:54 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1026162961:20:19037:84".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 22:25:54 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1026162961:20:19037:84; Mon, 08 Jul 2002 21:16:01 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2101159; 8 Jul 2002 21:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g68LIqf31463 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 22:18:52 +0100 Received: from mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (mta01-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68LIoM31460 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 22:18:50 +0100 Received: from risco.home ([80.0.16.154]) by mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020708211529.JSQR16050.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@risco.home> for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 22:15:29 +0100 Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 22:15:42 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: EPS printing To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <4b52c2c8basbellon@sbellon.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Mon 08 Jul, Stefan Bellon wrote: > Hi! > > Sorry if this is a FAQ. I haven't been following discussions on this > list recently, but now I wanted to print out a few EPS files with > OvationPro (version 2.67 here). However I've read that OEPS can only > print on a PostScript-capable printer (which I don't have) and the EPS > files I want to print don't have a preview image inside them. > > So, I'd like to ask whether those two are the only options I have or > whether I missed something: > > 1) Configure a RISC OS PostScript printer driver, print to a file, load > this file into RiScript and print from there (bah, complicated). > > 2) Find a utility (on the Linux box) which can add a preview image to > the EPS files (which utility can do this?). Ghostscript on RISC OS or Linux or ... whatever OS you get hold of a copy for. There is a ps2epsi which seems to be able to take EPS as input and output EPSI with bitmap preview. As GS can be command line driven it should be possible to batch the conversion of a group of files and leave it to run overnight if necessary. > I'd appreciate any hints on this topic. If this was already answered, a > pointer to an archive of the messages is enough. ;-) > > Greetings, > > Stefan. > Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 9 22:25:54 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1026167953:20:29752:70".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 22:25:54 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1026167953:20:29752:70; Mon, 08 Jul 2002 22:39:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2104453; 8 Jul 2002 22:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g68Mg1731775 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 23:42:01 +0100 Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (frogger.freedom2.net [213.161.67.203]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68MfxM31772 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 23:41:59 +0100 Received: from [62.188.145.123] (helo=ghc) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17Rh7y-0004zb-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 08 Jul 2002 23:37:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Gavin Crawford To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 23:38:27 +0100 Subject: Re: NudgePal query Message-ID: <4b530960ffgav@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b528ca88atim@de-sig.co.nz> References: <4b52716adcgav@crawford-print.co.uk> <4b528ca88atim@de-sig.co.nz> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4b528ca88atim@de-sig.co.nz>, Tim King wrote: > Another query re using the key macro's - how do I stop the number > being inserted into the text? > ie select a (text) frame, and the carat appears at the end of the > existing text. Ok. ^K4, say, to move the frame to the left, and you > always get a 4 added to the text. That's odd, it doesn't happen here, so I can't help you with that. Does anyone else get the number inserted into the text, as Tim describes? I'd be interested to hear from others who use NudgePal. (Obviously the key macros must be Activated for NudgePal. i.e. select the Option button at the top of the 'Nudge key definitions' window. Opened from:- Applets -> Nudge palette -> Key macros... or from the palette's menu.) Gav. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 9 22:25:56 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1026217573:20:24111:93".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 22:25:56 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1026217573:20:24111:93; Tue, 09 Jul 2002 12:26:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2117753; 9 Jul 2002 12:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g69CRL200341 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 13:27:21 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g69CRJM00338 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 13:27:19 +0100 Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17Ru20-000Phq-0W for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 09 Jul 2002 13:23:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 12:24:15 +0100 Subject: Re: NudgePal query Message-ID: <4b534f7d39Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <042b3c534b.john@xl-cambridge.com> References: <4b52716adcgav@crawford-print.co.uk> <042b3c534b.john@xl-cambridge.com> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04c (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <042b3c534b.john@xl-cambridge.com>, John Pettigrew wrote: > Gavin sorted this out for me - it was because (after an upgrade) > NudgePal was using an old version of its choices files. That's a thought - do OP applets choices files reside in Choices: or are they kept inside the individual applets? -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 9 22:25:57 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1026217573:20:24166:88".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 22:25:57 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1026217573:20:24166:88; Tue, 09 Jul 2002 12:26:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2117754; 9 Jul 2002 12:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g69CR8f00336 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 13:27:08 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g69CR6M00333 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 13:27:06 +0100 Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17Ru1m-000Phq-0W for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 09 Jul 2002 13:23:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 12:23:03 +0100 Subject: Re: NudgePal query Message-ID: <4b534f6110Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b530960ffgav@crawford-print.co.uk> References: <4b52716adcgav@crawford-print.co.uk> <4b528ca88atim@de-sig.co.nz> <4b530960ffgav@crawford-print.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04c (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4b530960ffgav@crawford-print.co.uk>, Gavin Crawford wrote: > In article <4b528ca88atim@de-sig.co.nz>, > Tim King wrote: > > Another query re using the key macro's - how do I stop the number > > being inserted into the text? > > ie select a (text) frame, and the carat appears at the end of the > > existing text. Ok. ^K4, say, to move the frame to the left, and you > > always get a 4 added to the text. > That's odd, it doesn't happen here, so I can't help you with that. I don't use this tool at all so pardon me if this is a stupid question: By "^K4" does Tim mean hold down Ctrl, press K, press 4, release Ctrl or does he mean hold down Ctrl, press K, release Ctrl, press 4 ? And, would it matter which in any case? -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 9 22:25:57 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1026222828:20:16628:75".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 22:25:57 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1026222828:20:16628:75; Tue, 09 Jul 2002 13:53:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2123616; 9 Jul 2002 13:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g69DtcR00660 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 14:55:38 +0100 Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (frogger.freedom2.net [213.161.67.203]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g69DtaM00657 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 14:55:36 +0100 Received: from [213.116.54.58] (helo=Art) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17RvNy-00076c-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 09 Jul 2002 14:50:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Gavin Crawford To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 14:32:32 +0100 Subject: Re: NudgePal query Message-ID: <4b535b3bc7gav@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4b530960ffgav@crawford-print.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , David Graddol wrote: > But while you are on the line, is there an easy way of bringing > nudgepal window to the front? It always seems buried when I need > to use it. There is the buttonbar button macro that will open the palette (and bring it to the top) with a Select click and close it with Adjust. This macro is defined by NudgePal but you will need to activate it from the Macros window (and save your macros to keep it for next time). Or do you want to open it via a key macro? Although, if you are using the keyboard you could just nudge the object using the key macros. A key macro to open the Nudge palette could be created using: {macv=nudgepal_buttonclick(256,macview);} > Thanks for a great tool. I'm glad others find it useful. :-) Gav. -- Gavin Crawford email: gav@crawford-print.co.uk web: www.crawford-print.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 9 22:25:58 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1026243140:20:06472:146".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 22:25:58 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1026243140:20:06472:146; Tue, 09 Jul 2002 19:32:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2006985; 9 Jul 2002 19:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g69JYVt01178 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 20:34:31 +0100 Received: from mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (mta05-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.45]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g69JYTM01175 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 20:34:29 +0100 Received: from risco.home ([80.0.16.154]) by mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020709193049.KZSH28874.mta05-svc.ntlworld.com@risco.home> for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 20:30:49 +0100 Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 20:31:00 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: NudgePal query To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <6edf56534b%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Tue 09 Jul, David Graddol wrote: > Jeremy C B Nicoll wrote: > > > In article <4b530960ffgav@crawford-print.co.uk>, > > Gavin Crawford wrote: > > > In article <4b528ca88atim@de-sig.co.nz>, > > > Tim King wrote: > > > > Another query re using the key macro's - how do I stop the number > > > > being inserted into the text? > > > > > > ie select a (text) frame, and the carat appears at the end of the > > > > existing text. Ok. ^K4, say, to move the frame to the left, and you > > > > always get a 4 added to the text. > > > > > That's odd, it doesn't happen here, so I can't help you with that. > > > > I don't use this tool at all so pardon me if this is a stupid question: > > > > By "^K4" does Tim mean hold down Ctrl, press K, press 4, release Ctrl or > > does he mean hold down Ctrl, press K, release Ctrl, press 4 ? And, > > would it matter which in any case? > > I assume he means, Ctrl and key 4 on the number keypad (i.e. two > keys). K4 is marked as an alternate cursor left. In that case does the state of NumLock make a difference? Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 9 22:26:04 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1026068459:10:29564:59".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 22:26:04 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1026068459:10:29564:59; Sun, 07 Jul 2002 19:00:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1109582; 7 Jul 2002 19:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g67J2QK29192 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 20:02:26 +0100 Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (frogger.freedom2.net [213.161.67.203]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g67J2NM29189 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 20:02:23 +0100 Received: from [62.188.130.65] (helo=ghc) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17RHEC-0001aJ-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 07 Jul 2002 19:57:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Gavin Crawford To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2002 19:58:38 +0100 Subject: Re: NudgePal query Message-ID: <4b52716adcgav@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.04b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , John Pettigrew wrote: > How can I stop NudgePal setting a Key macro for Ctrl-K every time that > it starts? I prefer using this for the OvPro default command of delete > object. NudgePal shouldn't be setting any Key macros other than the ones that it has been instructed to use by the user. It certainly hasn't got a Ctrl-K macro hard-wired into the code. I suggest you check the values in the 'Nudge key definitions' window to see if a Ctrl-K has been entered as one of the values. Open the window from the menu: Applets -> Nudge palette -> Key macros... or menu over the Nudge Palette window. The key macro settings that are entered as default (as supplied) are all keys on the keypad, with either Ctrl or Ctrl+Shift, but they are all de-activated, and greyed-out unless the Option button at the top of the window is selected. This provides a quick way to turn off the macros without losing all your preferred settings. Any writable left blank will not define a macro, so you can just set the actions you want. To revert to the standard defined macros you can delete the file:- !OvnPro.Applets.!NudgePal.choices.keydef and re-run Ovation Pro. Hope that helps. If that doesn't sort out the problem then email me directly. Gav. -- Gavin Crawford email: gav@crawford-print.co.uk web: www.crawford-print.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 9 22:26:08 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1026121837:10:04203:74".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 22:26:08 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1026121837:10:04203:74; Mon, 08 Jul 2002 09:50:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1105766; 8 Jul 2002 9:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g689ojk30092 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 10:50:45 +0100 Received: from localhost (foobar@pD9506598.dip.t-dialin.net [217.80.101.152]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g689ogM30089 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 10:50:42 +0100 Received: from veni.localnet ([192.168.0.104] helo=veni) by localhost with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17RV73-00089g-00 for ; Mon, 08 Jul 2002 11:47:21 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Bellon To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 11:47:22 +0200 Subject: EPS printing Message-ID: <4b52c2c8basbellon@sbellon.de> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04c (RISC-OS/4.29) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi! Sorry if this is a FAQ. I haven't been following discussions on this list recently, but now I wanted to print out a few EPS files with OvationPro (version 2.67 here). However I've read that OEPS can only print on a PostScript-capable printer (which I don't have) and the EPS files I want to print don't have a preview image inside them. So, I'd like to ask whether those two are the only options I have or whether I missed something: 1) Configure a RISC OS PostScript printer driver, print to a file, load this file into RiScript and print from there (bah, complicated). 2) Find a utility (on the Linux box) which can add a preview image to the EPS files (which utility can do this?). I'd appreciate any hints on this topic. If this was already answered, a pointer to an archive of the messages is enough. ;-) Greetings, Stefan. -- Stefan Bellon * * PGP 2 and OpenPGP keys available from my home page You cannot kill time without injuring eternity. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 9 22:26:08 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1026127415:10:09819:60".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 22:26:08 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1026127415:10:09819:60; Mon, 08 Jul 2002 11:23:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1102500; 8 Jul 2002 11:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g68BOK030299 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 12:24:20 +0100 Received: from mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (mta07-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.47]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68BOHM30296 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 12:24:17 +0100 Received: from miranda.philipnet.com ([80.1.177.213]) by mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020708112101.HMVD19225.mta07-svc.ntlworld.com@miranda.philipnet.com> for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 12:21:01 +0100 Received: from philipnet.com (unknown [192.168.1.33]) by miranda.philipnet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AE8E2C743 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 12:21:08 +0100 (BST) Received: from philip by philipnet.com with local (RemoteNB 1.53) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; 08 Jul 2002 12:20:48 +0100 Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 12:20:47 +0100 From: Philip Ludlam To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: EPS printing Message-ID: References: <4b52c2c8basbellon@sbellon.de> In-Reply-To: <4b52c2c8basbellon@sbellon.de> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60 (RemoteNB/1.53) (RISC-OS/3.70) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <4b52c2c8basbellon@sbellon.de> Stefan Bellon wrote: >Hi! > >Sorry if this is a FAQ. I haven't been following discussions on this >list recently, but now I wanted to print out a few EPS files with >OvationPro (version 2.67 here). > >So, I'd like to ask whether those two are the only options I have or >whether I missed something: > >1) [snip] >2) [snip] A possible 3rd option: Try loading the file into Artworks or Vantage if you have either of them. I know Artworks can load and save to EPS format although you may run into problems if the EPS file contains something that Artworks doesn't understand. You may also need to tweak/change a value in the EPS file, possibly relating to the EPS version no. Yours, Phil L. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 9 22:26:08 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1026130668:10:03079:51".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 22:26:08 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1026130668:10:03079:51; Mon, 08 Jul 2002 12:17:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1109964; 8 Jul 2002 12:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g68CJPk30511 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 13:19:25 +0100 Received: from localhost (foobar@pD9506598.dip.t-dialin.net [217.80.101.152]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68CJMM30508 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 13:19:22 +0100 Received: from veni.localnet ([192.168.0.104] helo=veni) by localhost with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17RXR0-0000T6-00 for ; Mon, 08 Jul 2002 14:16:06 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Bellon To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 13:55:39 +0200 Subject: Re: EPS printing Message-ID: <4b52ce8753sbellon@sbellon.de> In-Reply-To: References: <4b52c2c8basbellon@sbellon.de> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04c (RISC-OS/4.29) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Philip Ludlam wrote: [snip] > A possible 3rd option: > Try loading the file into Artworks or Vantage if you have either of > them. Artworks (1.7d) cannot load those EPS files. Well, it behaves like it loaded them, it even shows "1 group in Foreground" but you don't see anything. And if you clear the selection and then do a "Select all", then nothing gets selected. So I don't think the import worked at all. And I don't have Vantage. -- Stefan Bellon * * PGP 2 and OpenPGP keys available from my home page WOMAN.ZIP - Great program but no documentation. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 9 22:26:08 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1026133233:10:04882:96".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 22:26:08 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1026133233:10:04882:96; Mon, 08 Jul 2002 13:00:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1005146; 8 Jul 2002 12:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g68D20n30691 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 14:02:00 +0100 Received: from msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.149]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68D1vM30688 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 14:01:57 +0100 Received: from Caslon.english.co.uk (213-78-77-21.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.77.21]) by msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AIC05394; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 13:58:21 +0100 (BST) Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Mon, 08 Jul 2002 13:52:46 +0100 Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 13:52:34 +0100 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: EPS printing Message-ID: <37bdd3524b%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b52d0d2c8sbellon@sbellon.de> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: POPstar/2.02 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Stefan Bellon wrote: > David Graddol wrote: > > [snip] > > > Riscript is probably your best bet if you want to do it all on > > the Risc OS platform. > > Oh, I would be fine with a tool "eps2drawfile" for Linux as well. ;-) > > > Try loading your eps files directly into RiScript and then saving > > them as Draw files which can be loaded into OvPro. > > Yes, that's what I'm doing ATM. But I have _lots_ of EPS files and I > don't want to do this by hand. This isn't going to be my final results, > it's just a quick draft I want to print out. And OvationPro seems to me > the program which lets me do this quickest. But ... > > > The preview idea is probably not so good, since the preview would > > be a low resolution image. If you really wanted one you could > > probably do it with ghostscript, but that might be messier than > > with RiScript. > > Yes, I agree. > > > EPS files are fragments of postscript which are just fed out into > > the postscript stream during printing. As far as I know, OvPro > > doesn't interpret them, except for extracting a preview if there > > is one for screen display purposes. > > That's how I understood it as well. But as it's just for a draft, I > think I could live with preview quality. Well, perhaps it's easier to > convert the EPS files indeed to something like TIFF and import that > into OvationPro. The final results will be done in LaTeX anyway, so EPS > is no problem for the final result, just for my draft now. > Well, you could load the entire postscript file produced by OvPro to RiScript and it should render with the eps files in place. You should then be able to print from RiScript to your usual printer. What I would do is print from OvPro to a postscript file, send it over the network to acrobat distiller on the pc, and then print from the PDF. If you have a similar functionality on your Linux box (eg Ghostscript) you could do the same. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 9 22:26:10 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1026163779:10:08573:56".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 22:26:10 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1026163779:10:08573:56; Mon, 08 Jul 2002 21:29:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1008446; 8 Jul 2002 21:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g68LWMn31559 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 22:32:22 +0100 Received: from snowy.kiwilink.co.nz (snowy.kiwilink.co.nz [202.27.215.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68LWIM31556 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 22:32:18 +0100 Received: from timk.ns.planet.gen.nz (ppp-24.kiwilink.co.nz [202.27.215.90]) by snowy.kiwilink.co.nz (Postfix) with SMTP id 99CBE17258D for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 09:20:35 +1200 (NZST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tim King To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 11:56:11 +1200 Subject: Re: NudgePal query Message-ID: <4b528ca88atim@de-sig.co.nz> In-Reply-To: <4b52716adcgav@crawford-print.co.uk> References: <4b52716adcgav@crawford-print.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Another query re using the key macro's - how do I stop the number being inserted into the text? ie select a (text) frame, and the carat appears at the end of the existing text. Ok. ^K4, say, to move the frame to the left, and you always get a 4 added to the text. Tim -- Tim King... de-Sign. +64 9 478.3114 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 9 22:26:11 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1026167353:10:11583:78".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 22:26:11 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1026167353:10:11583:78; Mon, 08 Jul 2002 22:29:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1010886; 8 Jul 2002 22:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g68MVIY31690 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 23:31:18 +0100 Received: from localhost (foobar@pD900735F.dip.t-dialin.net [217.0.115.95]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68MVFM31687 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 23:31:15 +0100 Received: from veni.localnet ([192.168.0.104] helo=veni) by localhost with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17Rgz0-0003l5-00 for ; Tue, 09 Jul 2002 00:27:50 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Bellon To: Ovation Pro List Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 00:04:56 +0200 Subject: Re: EPS printing Message-ID: <4b53064f26sbellon@sbellon.de> In-Reply-To: References: <4b52c2c8basbellon@sbellon.de> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04c (RISC-OS/4.29) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Anthony Hilton wrote: > In on Mon 08 Jul, Stefan Bellon wrote: [snip] > > 1) Configure a RISC OS PostScript printer driver, print to a file, > > load this file into RiScript and print from there (bah, > > complicated). > > > > 2) Find a utility (on the Linux box) which can add a preview image > > to the EPS files (which utility can do this?). > Ghostscript on RISC OS or Linux or ... whatever OS you get hold of a > copy for. There is a ps2epsi which seems to be able to take EPS as > input and output EPSI with bitmap preview. As GS can be command line > driven it should be possible to batch the conversion of a group of > files and leave it to run overnight if necessary. I already have tried ps2epsi, but it doesn't like EPS as input files (at least not mine). It complains and prints the PostScript stack dump. And the documentation of ps2epsi clearly states that not even every valid PostScript file can be converted. -- Stefan Bellon * * PGP 2 and OpenPGP keys available from my home page * * * ADVERTISING SPACE FOR HIRE * * * -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 9 22:26:11 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1026168554:10:00718:57".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 22:26:11 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1026168554:10:00718:57; Mon, 08 Jul 2002 22:49:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1000145; 8 Jul 2002 22:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g68Mpi431872 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 23:51:44 +0100 Received: from snowy.kiwilink.co.nz (snowy.kiwilink.co.nz [202.27.215.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68MpeM31869 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 23:51:40 +0100 Received: from timk.ns.planet.gen.nz (ppp-45.kiwilink.co.nz [202.27.215.111]) by snowy.kiwilink.co.nz (Postfix) with SMTP id 44CC517259A for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 10:40:04 +1200 (NZST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tim King To: Ovation Pro List Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 10:35:26 +1200 Subject: Re: EPS printing Message-ID: <4b530919fatim@de-sig.co.nz> In-Reply-To: References: <4b52c2c8basbellon@sbellon.de> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Anthony Hilton wrote: > Ghostscript on RISC OS or Linux or ... whatever OS you get hold of a > copy for. There is a ps2epsi which seems to be able to take EPS as > input and output EPSI with bitmap preview. Though the bitmap's not in a form that OEPS can render, if that's what you were thinking. It needs to be a TIFF, according to the OEPS Helpfile (though this also suggests you can muck about with it). > As GS can be command line driven it should be possible to batch the > conversion of a group of files and leave it to run overnight if > necessary. .. and so you could consider other conversions eg to a sprite, JPEG, TIFF, etc. Options are in the Bin dir from memory. ps2...whatever. Tim -- Tim King... de-Sign. +64 9 478.3114 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 9 22:26:14 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1026198208:10:04212:143".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 22:26:14 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1026198208:10:04212:143; Tue, 09 Jul 2002 07:03:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1117944; 9 Jul 2002 7:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g6975xU32305 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 08:05:59 +0100 Received: from msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.149]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6975uM32302 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 08:05:56 +0100 Received: from Caslon.english.co.uk (213-78-66-121.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.66.121]) by msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AIC48739; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 08:02:16 +0100 (BST) Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Tue, 09 Jul 2002 08:02:38 +0100 Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 08:02:26 +0100 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: NudgePal query Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4b530960ffgav@crawford-print.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: POPstar/2.02 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Gavin Crawford wrote: > In article <4b528ca88atim@de-sig.co.nz>, > Tim King wrote: > > Another query re using the key macro's - how do I stop the number > > being inserted into the text? > > > ie select a (text) frame, and the carat appears at the end of the > > existing text. Ok. ^K4, say, to move the frame to the left, and you > > always get a 4 added to the text. > > That's odd, it doesn't happen here, so I can't help you with that. > > > Does anyone else get the number inserted into the text, as Tim > describes? > > I'd be interested to hear from others who use NudgePal. > (Obviously the key macros must be Activated for NudgePal. i.e. select > the Option button at the top of the 'Nudge key definitions' window. > Opened from:- Applets -> Nudge palette -> Key macros... > or from the palette's menu.) > No problem here. But while you are on the line, is there an easy way of bringing nudgepal window to the front? It always seems buried when I need to use it. Thanks for a great tool. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 9 22:26:15 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1026201247:10:07742:60".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 22:26:15 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1026201247:10:07742:60; Tue, 09 Jul 2002 07:54:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1112664; 9 Jul 2002 7:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g697upO32419 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 08:56:51 +0100 Received: from mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (mta06-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.46]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g697umM32416 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 08:56:48 +0100 Received: from riscpc.at.home ([80.4.7.169]) by mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020709075322.BCBE4119.mta06-svc.ntlworld.com@riscpc.at.home> for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 08:53:22 +0100 Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 08:53:13 +0100 From: John Pettigrew To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: NudgePal query Message-ID: <042b3c534b.john@xl-cambridge.com> References: <4b52716adcgav@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b52716adcgav@crawford-print.co.uk> X-Organization: XL Cambridge User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60 (MsgServe/2.00bS) (RISC-OS/4.02) X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In a previous message, Gavin Crawford wrote: > In article , > John Pettigrew wrote: > > > How can I stop NudgePal setting a Key macro for Ctrl-K every time that > > it starts? > > NudgePal shouldn't be setting any Key macros other than the ones that it > has been instructed to use by the user. It certainly hasn't got a Ctrl-K > macro hard-wired into the code. Gavin sorted this out for me - it was because (after an upgrade) NudgePal was using an old version of its choices files. Deleting and resaving them cleared the problem up. So, anyone else with this problem, take note! John -- John Pettigrew XL Cambridge - contract and freelance editing Biology specialist Molecular biology, genetics, biotechnology john@xl-cambridge.com http://www.xl-cambridge.com/ PGP public key available -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 9 22:26:16 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1026218987:10:16671:58".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 22:26:16 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1026218987:10:16671:58; Tue, 09 Jul 2002 12:49:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1015673; 9 Jul 2002 12:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g69Cq1p00502 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 13:52:01 +0100 Received: from msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.149]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g69CpxM00499 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 13:51:59 +0100 Received: from Caslon.english.co.uk (213-78-83-11.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.83.11]) by msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AIC70401; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 13:48:20 +0100 (BST) Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Tue, 09 Jul 2002 13:45:03 +0100 Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 13:44:54 +0100 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: NudgePal query Message-ID: <6edf56534b%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b534f6110Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: POPstar/2.02 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Jeremy C B Nicoll wrote: > In article <4b530960ffgav@crawford-print.co.uk>, > Gavin Crawford wrote: > > In article <4b528ca88atim@de-sig.co.nz>, > > Tim King wrote: > > > Another query re using the key macro's - how do I stop the number > > > being inserted into the text? > > > > ie select a (text) frame, and the carat appears at the end of the > > > existing text. Ok. ^K4, say, to move the frame to the left, and you > > > always get a 4 added to the text. > > > That's odd, it doesn't happen here, so I can't help you with that. > > I don't use this tool at all so pardon me if this is a stupid question: > > By "^K4" does Tim mean hold down Ctrl, press K, press 4, release Ctrl or > does he mean hold down Ctrl, press K, release Ctrl, press 4 ? And, > would it matter which in any case? I assume he means, Ctrl and key 4 on the number keypad (i.e. two keys). K4 is marked as an alternate cursor left. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 9 23:10:19 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1026252422:10:13567:51".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 23:10:19 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1026252422:10:13567:51; Tue, 09 Jul 2002 22:07:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1012482; 9 Jul 2002 22:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g69M8Jq01398 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 23:08:19 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g69M8HM01395 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 23:08:17 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17S36B-000O8P-0W for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 09 Jul 2002 23:04:43 +0100 Message-ID: <9$TSyCFm21K9EwIg@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 23:03:18 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: David Pilling Subject: Subject: Tables in OPro References: <4b534f6110Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> <6edf56534b%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <6edf56534b%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Subject: Tables in OPro First, I apologise if this has been covered; I have been back through the maillist digests and found nothing exactly like this so: I recently needed to incorporate a table in an OPro document, in this case a small magazine that I publish for a motor racing club to which I belong. After going through the digests I found plenty of references to Tablemate (which I don't possess) and associated solutions but not much else. After some brain searching I came across the following solution which may or may not help or which may or may not suggest a better solution to someone. It does require that you have available Fireworkz Pro or its predecessor and either RiSCript or the combination of GhostScript and PDF from Colin Granville etc. I produced my table in Fireworkz Pro, which has pretty good facilities for outlining areas and colouring backgrounds and so on, and of course full control over Risc OS fonts. The table was then selected and printed to file via the PoScript2 printer driver and the output file viewed in and saved from RiScript as a Draw file; subsequent (not very thorough) testing indicates that the GhostScript/PDF route will do the same. The resultant file imported into the OPro document at 100% scale gives a seamless appearance to the document. As I have said, you may all be aware of this but maybe just one of you isn't. It does anyway demonstrate the true joy of this OS with the ease with which, given a bit of planning, the many programs interface. Comments re Fireworkz and the global clipboard should be addressed elsewhere... -- Brian Jordan From an SA RPC somewhere in North Hampshire. England -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 9 23:25:22 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1026253428:10:00980:53".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 23:25:22 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1026253428:10:00980:53; Tue, 09 Jul 2002 22:23:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1000356; 9 Jul 2002 22:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g69MQMA01484 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 23:26:22 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g69MQKM01481 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 23:26:20 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17S3Ne-0001Wu-0X for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 09 Jul 2002 23:22:46 +0100 Message-ID: <2sjg2qGnH2K9EwZf@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 23:21:27 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: David Pilling Subject: Re: Mail merging (was: Importing graphics using DDF commands) References: <4b4fa5086apaul@delink.nl> <56210.195.152.254.85.1025599335.squirrel@email.argonet.co.uk> <4b51c09f46paul@delink.nl> <4b51dafb90paul@delink.nl> <4b5242eb0bpaul@delink.nl> In-Reply-To: <4b5242eb0bpaul@delink.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, >I can't manage to skip the blank line that is created by all that skipping. >I therefore installed the !MergeLib macro and entered the required text >into the Fields window - {macv=merge_strip(x,y)} Of course in the context that macro is handling an address with y maximum lines and returning the x'th non blank one. >Perhaps something is wrong with the !MergeLib macro too, as I get a Serious >Error warning, as soon as it is started up, saying: Multiple definition. No. This means the MergeLib script is being run twice - you've got two copies of it plugged into OP, perhaps one in !OvnPro.Autorun and one in !OvnPro.Library. >First of all, the on screen merging now still shows the front pages. >And when the real printing starts, 10 pages are produced, rather than 3. >Ten BLANK pages, to be precise. >The same is true when I change printing settings - for example to Normal. Of course what this brings to mind is that the print settings are wrong. You know you'll always see your document on screen, but you might be telling OP to print it six foot off the edge of the paper, in which case it will never appear on printouts. I'd be inclined to enable the view printer margins and check it should be visible. Also stick something on the page that is not being changed by the mail merge. And there is my point, from my last email, I have 10 sets of data, I want a 10 page pamphlet, I decide to do this by using mail merge on a 1 page original. l find that this is not possible. What you'd perhaps end up with is 10 copies of the back side of a 1 sheet pamphlet - i.e. blank. Setting Normal would only help if you also told it to print the front side of the paper. The point is that you can only do this sort of merge by having a 10 page original. (I'm talking here about page 181, section 12.7, point 1 - although that talks about getting more than one record on one sheet). As the fine print at the bottom of column 1, page 180 laments "It is not possible to have more than one merged print of a document on one sheet of paper" -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jul 10 13:56:43 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1026302263:10:22994:72".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 13:56:43 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1026302263:10:22994:72; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 11:57:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1022903; 10 Jul 2002 11:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g6ABv2F02339 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 12:57:02 +0100 Received: from altrade.nijmegen.internl.net (altrade.nijmegen.internl.net [217.149.192.18]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6ABv0M02336 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 12:57:00 +0100 Received: from padua by altrade.nijmegen.internl.net via 1Cust81.tnt41.rtm1.nl.uu.net [213.117.0.81] with SMTP for id NAA02038 (8.8.8/1.3); Wed, 10 Jul 2002 13:51:47 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <00b001c22808$81b2bfe0$4d01a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: References: <4b534f6110Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> <6edf56534b%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> <9$TSyCFm21K9EwIg@pilling.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: Subject: Tables in OPro Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 12:57:36 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 10 Jul, David Pilling 'forwarded' a contribution of "Brian Jordan >From an SA RPC somewhere in North Hampshire. England" > >Subject: Tables in OPro One of the new features of the announced (without exact date) Fireworkz Pro is expected to be DrawFile export of a page and OLE. When this happens, this will make the process (without the PostScript/pdf) much easier. I hope this will be happen soon. mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jul 10 15:17:20 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1026309827:10:11966:90".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 15:17:20 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1026309827:10:11966:90; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 14:03:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1124402; 10 Jul 2002 14:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g6AE5An02610 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 15:05:10 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6AE57M02606 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 15:05:07 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17SI21-000OTX-0W for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 15:01:25 +0100 Message-ID: <55czDpFd4DL9EwgF@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 15:01:01 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: David Pilling Subject: Re: Subject: Tables in OPro References: <4b534f6110Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> <6edf56534b%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> <9$TSyCFm21K9EwIg@pilling.demon.co.uk> <00b001c22808$81b2bfe0$4d01a8c0@padua> In-Reply-To: <00b001c22808$81b2bfe0$4d01a8c0@padua> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Digest V1 #881 On Tue 9 Jul 2002 (23:09:20 +0100), Brian Jordan (via David Pilling) wrote: > I recently needed to incorporate a table in an OPro document, in this > case a small magazine that I publish for a motor racing club to which I > belong. After going through the digests I found plenty of references > to Tablemate (which I don't possess) and associated solutions but not > much else. After some brain searching I came across the following > solution > which may or may not help or which may or may not suggest a better > solution to someone. It does require that you have available Fireworkz > Pro or its predecessor and either RiSCript or the combination of > GhostScript and PDF from Colin Granville etc. I produced my table in > Fireworkz Pro, which has pretty good facilities for outlining areas and > colouring backgrounds and so on, and of course full control over Risc > OS fonts. The table was then selected and printed to file via the > PoScript2 printer driver and the output file viewed in and saved from > RiScript as > a Draw file; subsequent (not very thorough) testing indicates that the > GhostScript/PDF route will do the same. Presumably any spreadsheet with reasonable facilities can be used. I've tried it once with Eureka3, the output from which can be saved *directly* as a Draw file, cutting down the number of steps: it seemed to work OK, though I wasn't looking for anything very complicated on that occasion. Denys Wells. -- [email from dwells@argonet.co.uk (Denys Wells)] -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jul 10 17:46:30 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1026319581:10:28263:74".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 17:46:30 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1026319581:10:28263:74; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 16:46:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1027956; 10 Jul 2002 16:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g6AGmmG03056 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 17:48:48 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6AGmkM03053 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 17:48:46 +0100 Received: from abacusline.demon.co.uk ([194.222.194.153]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 17SKaJ-0003G3-0U for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 17:45:00 +0100 Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 17:32:03 +0100 (BST) From: Ovation Pro Subject: Re: Subject: Tables in OPro To: Gerald L Fitton In-Reply-To: <00b001c22808$81b2bfe0$4d01a8c0@padua> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 10 Jul, Tonnie Demarteau wrote: > One of the new features of the announced (without exact date) Fireworkz Pro > is expected to be DrawFile export of a page and OLE. When this happens, this > will make the process (without the PostScript/pdf) much easier. There is a beta release which does have the Save as Drawfile feature. However, a strange 'bug' has invaded the program at the same time. All calculations now run very slowly. When this 'bug' is fixed (and subject to further testing) the Save as DrawFile version will be released. I have used this Save as DrawFile feature for some of the pictures accompanying my articles in Paul Beverley's Archive magazine so it definitely works. But we can't release it whilst it is doing sums so slowly. No date for release is available yet. Gerald -- GoldLine - Gerald L Fitton -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jul 10 20:01:31 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1026327039:10:21347:63".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 20:01:31 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1026327039:10:21347:63; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 18:50:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1101559; 10 Jul 2002 18:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g6AIrbS03890 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 19:53:37 +0100 Received: from mail7.svr.pol.co.uk (mail7.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.21]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6AIrZM03887 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 19:53:35 +0100 Received: from modem-42.radon.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.62.170] helo=kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk) by mail7.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17SMX4-0003Gm-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 19:49:49 +0100 Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 19:08:05 +0100 (BST) From: "John P. Kerslake" Subject: Re: Subject: Tables in OPro To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <9$TSyCFm21K9EwIg@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: JPK, Bangor.Pager 07626-235878 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tu