From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed May 1 14:52:41 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA165140 for opro ; Wed, 01 May 102 14:52:39 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1020242426:20:13740:105; Wed, 01 May 2002 08:40:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2014478; 1 May 2002 8:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g418eVS01337 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 1 May 2002 09:40:31 +0100 Received: from mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (mta02-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.42]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g418eSi01334 for ; Wed, 1 May 2002 09:40:28 +0100 Received: from riscpc.at.home ([80.2.246.139]) by mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020501083422.PJQL4626.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@riscpc.at.home> for ; Wed, 1 May 2002 09:34:22 +0100 Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 09:34:18 +0100 From: John Pettigrew To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Clipboard manager Message-ID: <0740b72f4b.john@xl-cambridge.com> References: <4b2ca4f35dbrian@drood68.freeserve.co.uk> <4b2ce5f072dfs@ukgateway.net> <4b2cf76c7fbrian@drood68.freeserve.co.uk> <4b2de2d3a8brian@drood68.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b2de2d3a8brian@drood68.freeserve.co.uk> X-Organization: XL Cambridge User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60 (MsgServe/2.00bS) (RISC-OS/4.02) X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In a previous message, Brian Jordan wrote: > I have today been trying to discover why, in the real world, my original > problem was less predictable but nonetheless real. [snip] > Closing the clipboard window when not using it so that it is invoked by a > button press in a document window is all that is required. Aha! I'll try and find some time to fix that at some point soonish. Shouldn't be too hard to do - although the time might be hard to find :-( > Thanks to all who replied, particularly to John for confirming my findings > and preserving my sanity. No problem :-) John -- John Pettigrew XL Cambridge - contract and freelance editing Biology specialist Molecular biology, genetics, biotechnology john@xl-cambridge.com http://www.xl-cambridge.com/ PGP public key available -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed May 1 14:52:55 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA165144 for opro ; Wed, 01 May 102 14:52:51 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1020215716:10:03393:91; Wed, 01 May 2002 01:15:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1003662; 1 May 2002 1:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g411Jfs00420 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 1 May 2002 02:19:41 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g411Jci00416 for ; Wed, 1 May 2002 02:19:38 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 172igW-000Hyx-0U for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 01 May 2002 02:13:32 +0100 Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 02:04:51 GMT Message-Id: <165120@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Clipboard manager X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >OK, I've checked, and the crash is caused by the "setcurrentclipboard()" >command. I reckon that will only crash if the clipboard window is open. >However, I am puzzled by the very specific nature of the crash - >only when the *same* document is reopened, not when a different document is >reopened. The type of thing that goes on, is that you have a pointer to an object in memory e.g. a pointer to a document. The object is discarded, but the pointer remains. Things will go along happily until the memory the pointer points to is actually reused. Just why things go as they do, I don't undertstand. Perhaps the document name comes into play somewhere. >Perhaps we should have a little chat by email? Fine. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed May 1 14:53:00 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA165147 for opro ; Wed, 01 May 102 14:52:57 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1020215727:10:03762:108; Wed, 01 May 2002 01:15:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1003658; 1 May 2002 1:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g411Jex00419 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 1 May 2002 02:19:40 +0100 Received: from mail11.svr.pol.co.uk (mail11.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.23]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g3RJVAi24229 for ; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 20:31:10 +0100 Received: from modem-243.new-hampshire.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.80.243] helo=drood68) by mail11.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 171XpN-0005at-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 20:25:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Brian Jordan To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 20:17:52 +0100 Subject: Re: Clipboard manager Message-ID: <4b2de2d3a8brian@drood68.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <04874f2d4b.john@xl-cambridge.com> References: <4b2ca4f35dbrian@drood68.freeserve.co.uk> <4b2ce5f072dfs@ukgateway.net> <4b2cf76c7fbrian@drood68.freeserve.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04b (RISC-OS/4.28) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain X-Editor: Zap 1.44 (14 Dec 2001) [TEST 8], ZapEmail 0.26 (14 Jun 2001) test-2 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <04874f2d4b.john@xl-cambridge.com>, John Pettigrew wrote: > In a previous message, John Pettigrew wrote: [Snip] > > > > Hmmm. I can verify that this also causes crashes here. > Oh, and as an interesting point, it only crashes if you reopen the same > document. If you open a different document, there is no crash when I > try to paste. However, if you then open the original document again, it > crashes, even though there has been a second document open since it was > saved and the frame pasted perfectly well into that second document! I can confirm all that you described in both this and your previous message. I have today been trying to discover why, in the real world, my original problem was less predictable but nonetheless real. By selective reintroduction of all my normal Applets, I have discovered that either or both of !StylePal (1.08) and !NudgePal (1.03) mask, but don't fix, this behaviour of !Clpbrds. An interesting feature of both of these is that their windows close when all open document windows are closed. This is not the case with the clipboard manager and herein is the clue to avoiding the 'type 5s'. Closing the clipboard window when not using it so that it is invoked by a button press in a document window is all that is required. My previous working method whereby I was keeping that window open coupled with my habit of saving frames rather than just the contents of the frames seem to be why I discovered the problem in the first place. Thanks to all who replied, particularly to John for confirming my findings and preserving my sanity. -- Brian Jordan >From an SA RPC somewhere in North Hampshire. England -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu May 2 14:16:15 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA165199 for opro ; Thu, 02 May 102 14:16:12 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1020334511:20:15010:294; Thu, 02 May 2002 10:15:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2114787; 2 May 2002 10:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g429ZWl04339 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 2 May 2002 10:35:32 +0100 Received: from post-11.mail.nl.demon.net (post-11.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.21]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g429ZSi04336 for ; Thu, 2 May 2002 10:35:29 +0100 Received: from [212.238.2.84] (helo=waarland.demon.nl) by post-11.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 173Ctg-0002Rk-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 02 May 2002 09:29:08 +0000 Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 11:29:48 +0200 (BST) From: Johan Heuseveldt Subject: No word wrap To: OvationPro Mailing List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-No-Markup: yes X-No-Archive: yes X-Organization: Waarland & Echteweide (Realfieldt), the Netherlands X-Url: X-Bar: ------------------------------------------------------------------- X-Platform: RISC OS (Reduced Instruction Set Computer Operating System) X-Platform2: now running RISC OS 4 (4.02 patch 5) X-System: Acorn RiscPC 600 X-Processor: ARM 710 on my second RiscPC (RPC2) X-Wishes: RISCOS Ltd succeeding in the continues development of RISC OS X-Bar: ------------------------------------------------------------------- X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi all, Pleas forgive me, but somehow I'm unaware of the obvious and don't know how to switch off automatic word wrap. I want to use a small line of text copied a hundred times or so, and use that for a graphical effect in an underlying frame. With word wrap you get an ugly view with very regular spacing and white space. So I would like to switch word wrap off. Can it be done? TIA greetings, Johan -- Johan Heuseveldt aka waarland The best place is a Riscy place Ginsberg's Theorems: 1) You can't win. 2) You can't break even. 3) You can't even quit the game. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu May 2 14:16:36 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA165205 for opro ; Thu, 02 May 102 14:16:33 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1020339088:10:17442:108; Thu, 02 May 2002 11:31:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1103524; 2 May 2002 11:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g42BCEu04670 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 2 May 2002 12:12:14 +0100 Received: from net.wau.nl (NET.WAU.NL [137.224.10.12]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g42BC2i04667 for ; Thu, 2 May 2002 12:12:10 +0100 Received: from sottens-17.s210.wau.nl (sottens-17.s210.WAU.NL [137.224.210.17]) by net.WAU.NL (PMDF V5.2-32 #45292) with ESMTP id <0GVH00EEBDGC88@net.WAU.NL> for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 2 May 2002 13:05:01 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from steven by sottens-17.s210.wau.nl with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 173EPF-0001Qu-00 for ; Thu, 02 May 2002 13:05:49 +0200 Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 13:05:49 +0200 From: Steven Subject: Re: No word wrap In-reply-to: ; from johan@waarland.demon.nl on Thu, May 02, 2002 at 11:29:48AM +0200 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-id: <20020502130549.C29249@sottens-17.dijkgraaf.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i References: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Thu, May 02, 2002 at 11:29:48AM +0200, Johan Heuseveldt wrote: > Hi all, > > Pleas forgive me, but somehow I'm unaware of the obvious and don't know how > to switch off automatic word wrap. > > I want to use a small line of text copied a hundred times or so, and use that > for a graphical effect in an underlying frame. With word wrap you get an ugly > view with very regular spacing and white space. > So I would like to switch word wrap off. > I'm not entirely sure what you mean but for having text as a background i know a few solutions: if you turn on the left align and make the line of text as long as the frame is width you get a nice repeating background. If you don't put returns between the lines of text but just left it flow and fill the frame you get a more random background. And you can play with the alignment to make it more nice. But if you want no word wrap like in a text editor and let the line of text go out of the frame that's not normally possible. (AFAIK) Two solutions come to mind: Make the frame bigger then needed and hide the parts you don't need by putting a white frame over it, it works but is not very elegant. Make the lines of text in !Draw or !Artworks and repeat them there and put it as an image in a frame, then you can let the image extend out of the borders of the frame good luck Steven -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu May 2 14:49:17 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA165212 for opro ; Thu, 02 May 102 14:49:14 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1020345568:20:07725:56; Thu, 02 May 2002 13:19:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2007616; 2 May 2002 13:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g42CC3d04872 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 2 May 2002 13:12:03 +0100 Received: from post-11.mail.nl.demon.net (post-11.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.21]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g42CC0i04868 for ; Thu, 2 May 2002 13:12:00 +0100 Received: from [212.238.2.84] (helo=waarland.demon.nl) by post-11.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 173FL8-000BbH-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 02 May 2002 12:05:38 +0000 Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 14:06:44 +0200 (BST) From: Johan Heuseveldt Subject: Re: No word wrap To: Steven In-Reply-To: <20020502130549.C29249@sottens-17.dijkgraaf.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-No-Markup: yes X-No-Archive: yes X-Organization: Waarland & Echteweide (Realfieldt), the Netherlands X-Url: X-Bar: ------------------------------------------------------------------- X-Platform: RISC OS (Reduced Instruction Set Computer Operating System) X-Platform2: now running RISC OS 4 (4.02 patch 5) X-System: Acorn RiscPC 600 X-Processor: ARM 710 on my second RiscPC (RPC2) X-Wishes: RISCOS Ltd succeeding in the continues development of RISC OS X-Bar: ------------------------------------------------------------------- X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi Steven, Thanks for the quick response! On Thu 02 May, Steven wrote: > > On Thu, May 02, 2002 at 11:29:48AM +0200, Johan Heuseveldt wrote: > > Hi all, [snip] > > I want to use a small line of text copied a hundred times or so, and use > > that for a graphical effect in an underlying frame. With word wrap you > > get an ugly view with very regular spacing and white space. So I would > > like to switch word wrap off. Here's an example: Here's an example. Here's an example. Here's an example. Here's an example. Here's an example. Here's an example. Here's Here's an example. Here's an example. Here's an example. Here's an example. Here's an example. Here's an example. Here' e. Here's an example. Here's an example. Here's an example. Here's an example. Here's an example. Here's an example. Her If you choose the right width of the frame in conjunction with the lenght of text, you get a nice random result. That's the idea. > I'm not entirely sure what you mean but for having text as a background i > know a few solutions: if you turn on the left align and make the line of > text as long as the frame is width you get a nice repeating background. Done that. But at the end of the line you won't find any split words, which is what I want. Words are wrapped, which gives a tiling effect after a few lines. > If you don't put returns between the lines of text but just left it flow > and fill the frame you get a more random background. And you can play with > the alignment to make it more nice. Not enough for me. Perhaps I /should/ put shiftReturns there, so i'm in more control of the line! > But if you want no word wrap like in a text editor and let the line of text > go out of the frame that's not normally possible. (AFAIK) It's an alternative, so I'll try that out. > Two solutions come to mind: Make the frame bigger then needed and hide the > parts you don't need by putting a white frame over it, it works but is not > very elegant. > > Make the lines of text in !Draw or !Artworks and repeat them there and put > it as an image in a frame, then you can let the image extend out of the > borders of the frame I suppose that's the way to go. But the disadvantage is the size, since it is no logner being just text. Thanks Steve, I have a few alternatives, which I'll a try. greetings, Johan -- Johan Heuseveldt aka waarland The best place is a Riscy place My idea of an agreeable person, is a person who agrees with me. - Benjamin Disraeli -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu May 2 14:49:24 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA165214 for opro ; Thu, 02 May 102 14:49:22 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1020345585:20:05569:134; Thu, 02 May 2002 13:19:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2008015; 2 May 2002 13:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g42DP8m05084 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 2 May 2002 14:25:08 +0100 Received: from mail-r2.hw.ac.uk (mail-r.hw.ac.uk [137.195.101.212]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g42DP5i05081 for ; Thu, 2 May 2002 14:25:05 +0100 Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.32.15]) by mail-r2.hw.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 173GQg-0006M8-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 02 May 2002 14:15:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: Steven Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 14:18:57 +0100 Subject: Re: No word wrap Message-ID: <4b305525aeC.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.04b (RISC-OS/4.29) Content-Type: text/plain X-Scanner: exiscan *173GQg-0006M8-00*wLVN99L8MDg* http://duncanthrax.net/exiscan/ Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Have you thought of using hard spaces instead of normal spaces? If the line is then too long then it will just get split at the end. You will still get problems however, since the next "long" word will be started on a new line, rather than where the last word finished. I am not sure how you can turn justification off altogether. Is there any way of using hyphenation, with a Null character for the hyphenation symbol, and forcing hyphenation to occur at any letter? Just a thought. Chris... -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) mailto: opro@chris-johnson.org.uk (at home) ovpro web site: http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ ovpro mirror: http://www.bulldog.u-net.com/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu May 2 14:49:27 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA165215 for opro ; Thu, 02 May 102 14:49:25 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1020346528:20:29577:85; Thu, 02 May 2002 13:35:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2118259; 2 May 2002 13:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g42DXc505137 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 2 May 2002 14:33:38 +0100 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail2.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g42DXZi05134 for ; Thu, 2 May 2002 14:33:35 +0100 Received: from heraldgate2.oucs.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.50] helo=frontend2.herald.ox.ac.uk ident=exim) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 173Gc5-0005P1-02 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 02 May 2002 14:27:13 +0100 Received: from catz-70b.stcatz.ox.ac.uk ([129.67.7.11] helo=standalone) by frontend2.herald.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 3.32 #1) id 173Gc4-00085j-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 02 May 2002 14:27:13 +0100 Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 13:26:57 From: Russell Palmer To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: No word wrap Mailer: ArpieMail version 0.20 User-Agent: POPstar/2.02 Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu, May 02, 2002 at 11:29:48AM +0200, Johan Heuseveldt wrote: > I want to use a small line of text copied a hundred times or so, and use > that for a graphical effect in an underlying frame. With word wrap you > get an ugly view with very regular spacing and white space. So I would > like to switch word wrap off. Have you tried fully justifying the text and also switching on enhanced justification? It's not quite what you're looking for but it prevents the text from 'sorting itself out' after a few lines. Good luck, Russ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu May 2 18:05:53 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA165223 for opro ; Thu, 02 May 102 18:05:51 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1020348828:20:22120:68; Thu, 02 May 2002 14:13:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2021580; 2 May 2002 14:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g42DqMI05280 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 2 May 2002 14:52:22 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g42DqKi05277 for ; Thu, 2 May 2002 14:52:20 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 173Gu9-0001dK-0U for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 02 May 2002 14:45:53 +0100 Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 14:19:58 GMT Message-Id: <165207@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: No word wrap X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro If you save a document as DDL, load into Edit, you'll find that styles for example have a 'wordwrap' setting. I guess you'd create a doc with a style called 'nowrap' save as DDL, change the flag, reload and then apply the style to what you want. Or of course copy the style to the doc you're working on. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu May 2 18:05:59 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA165225 for opro ; Thu, 02 May 102 18:05:57 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1020358936:20:18983:147; Thu, 02 May 2002 17:02:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2019769; 2 May 2002 17:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g42EU7N05410 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 2 May 2002 15:30:07 +0100 Received: from mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (mta06-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.46]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g42EU5i05407 for ; Thu, 2 May 2002 15:30:05 +0100 Received: from raydawson ([62.253.92.90]) by mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020502142342.SLNO23864.mta06-svc.ntlworld.com@raydawson> for ; Thu, 2 May 2002 15:23:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: OvationPro Mailing List Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 15:22:39 +0100 Subject: Re: No word wrap Message-ID: <4b305afa85rayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.04b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Johan Heuseveldt wrote: > I want to use a small line of text copied a hundred times or so, and > use that for a graphical effect in an underlying frame. With word wrap > you get an ugly view with very regular spacing and white space. So I > would like to switch word wrap off. Write out the text and then replace the spaces with a hard space. Use F4 (Search) to replace spaces with Alt-160. Text will no longer word wrap as the hard spaces aren't recognised as a word end. It works - I just tried it. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 020 8864 7208 | the audio and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu May 2 22:00:53 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA165243 for opro ; Thu, 02 May 102 22:00:51 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1020366379:10:00684:71; Thu, 02 May 2002 19:06:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1108661; 2 May 2002 19:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g42IriM06157 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 2 May 2002 19:53:44 +0100 Received: from post-11.mail.nl.demon.net (post-11.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.21]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g42Irdi06152 for ; Thu, 2 May 2002 19:53:40 +0100 Received: from [212.238.2.84] (helo=waarland.demon.nl) by post-11.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 173Lbh-0007Y4-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 02 May 2002 18:47:09 +0000 Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 20:42:49 +0200 (BST) From: Johan Heuseveldt Subject: Re: No word wrap To: All In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-No-Markup: yes X-No-Archive: yes X-Organization: Waarland & Echteweide (Realfieldt), the Netherlands X-Url: X-Bar: ------------------------------------------------------------------- X-Platform: RISC OS (Reduced Instruction Set Computer Operating System) X-Platform2: now running RISC OS 4 (4.02 patch 5) X-System: Acorn RiscPC 600 X-Processor: ARM 710 on my second RiscPC (RPC2) X-Wishes: RISCOS Ltd succeeding in the continues development of RISC OS X-Bar: ------------------------------------------------------------------- X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi all, Silly me! On Thu 02 May, Johan Heuseveldt wrote: [snip] > Here's an example: > [snip: the example] The example did /not/ work, as the maximum line length is a 1000 chars in the email trans[ort. Didn't think about it at the time. Apologies to your all, for any inconvenience I've caused! [snip] greetings, Johan -- Johan Heuseveldt aka waarland The best place is a Riscy place It isn't what they say about you, it's what they whisper. Errol Flynn -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu May 2 22:00:58 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA165245 for opro ; Thu, 02 May 102 22:00:56 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1020368062:10:16745:94; Thu, 02 May 2002 19:34:22 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1105216; 2 May 2002 19:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g42Irge06154 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 2 May 2002 19:53:42 +0100 Received: from post-11.mail.nl.demon.net (post-11.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.21]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g42IrYi06145 for ; Thu, 2 May 2002 19:53:35 +0100 Received: from [212.238.2.84] (helo=waarland.demon.nl) by post-11.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 173Lbf-0007Y4-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 02 May 2002 18:47:08 +0000 Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 20:46:38 +0200 (BST) From: Johan Heuseveldt Subject: Re: No word wrap To: All In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-No-Markup: yes X-No-Archive: yes X-Organization: Waarland & Echteweide (Realfieldt), the Netherlands X-Url: X-Bar: ------------------------------------------------------------------- X-Platform: RISC OS (Reduced Instruction Set Computer Operating System) X-Platform2: now running RISC OS 4 (4.02 patch 5) X-System: Acorn RiscPC 600 X-Processor: ARM 710 on my second RiscPC (RPC2) X-Wishes: RISCOS Ltd succeeding in the continues development of RISC OS X-Bar: ------------------------------------------------------------------- X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi all, On Thu 02 May, Johan Heuseveldt wrote: > > Hi all, > > [...] > > I want to use a small line of text copied a hundred times or so, and use > that for a graphical effect in an underlying frame. With word wrap you get > an ugly view with very regular spacing and white space. So I would like to > switch word wrap off. In a short time I've received a couple answers. And there is more than one road to Rome! Thank you all who responded. It's much appreciated! greetings, Johan -- Johan Heuseveldt aka waarland The best place is a Riscy place There are very few personal problems which can't be solved by a suitable application of high explosives. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu May 2 22:01:07 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA165248 for opro ; Thu, 02 May 102 22:01:05 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1020367990:20:12441:66; Thu, 02 May 2002 19:33:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2122443; 2 May 2002 19:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g42IrdW06151 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 2 May 2002 19:53:39 +0100 Received: from post-11.mail.nl.demon.net (post-11.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.21]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g42IrXi06140 for ; Thu, 2 May 2002 19:53:33 +0100 Received: from [212.238.2.84] (helo=waarland.demon.nl) by post-11.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 173Lbc-0007Y4-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 02 May 2002 18:47:04 +0000 Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 20:24:58 +0200 (BST) From: Johan Heuseveldt Subject: Re: No word wrap To: Ray Dawson In-Reply-To: <4b305afa85rayd@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-No-Markup: yes X-No-Archive: yes X-Organization: Waarland & Echteweide (Realfieldt), the Netherlands X-Url: X-Bar: ------------------------------------------------------------------- X-Platform: RISC OS (Reduced Instruction Set Computer Operating System) X-Platform2: now running RISC OS 4 (4.02 patch 5) X-System: Acorn RiscPC 600 X-Processor: ARM 710 on my second RiscPC (RPC2) X-Wishes: RISCOS Ltd succeeding in the continues development of RISC OS X-Bar: ------------------------------------------------------------------- X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi Ray, On Thu 02 May, Ray Dawson wrote: > > In article , > Johan Heuseveldt wrote: > > > I want to use a small line of text copied a hundred times or so, and > > [...] > > would like to switch word wrap off. > > Write out the text and then replace the spaces with a hard space. Use F4 > (Search) to replace spaces with Alt-160. Text will no longer word wrap as > the hard spaces aren't recognised as a word end. > > It works - I just tried it. You're right. It does! Thanks Ray. greetings, Johan -- Johan Heuseveldt aka waarland The best place is a Riscy place Hummingbirds never remember the words to songs. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu May 2 22:01:13 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA165250 for opro ; Thu, 02 May 102 22:01:10 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1020368158:20:18591:56; Thu, 02 May 2002 19:35:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2100662; 2 May 2002 19:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g42IrgF06156 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 2 May 2002 19:53:42 +0100 Received: from post-11.mail.nl.demon.net (post-11.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.21]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g42IrYi06142 for ; Thu, 2 May 2002 19:53:34 +0100 Received: from [212.238.2.84] (helo=waarland.demon.nl) by post-11.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 173Lbe-0007Y4-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 02 May 2002 18:47:06 +0000 Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 20:36:56 +0200 (BST) From: Johan Heuseveldt Subject: Re: No word wrap To: David Pilling In-Reply-To: <165207@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-No-Markup: yes X-No-Archive: yes X-Organization: Waarland & Echteweide (Realfieldt), the Netherlands X-Url: X-Bar: ------------------------------------------------------------------- X-Platform: RISC OS (Reduced Instruction Set Computer Operating System) X-Platform2: now running RISC OS 4 (4.02 patch 5) X-System: Acorn RiscPC 600 X-Processor: ARM 710 on my second RiscPC (RPC2) X-Wishes: RISCOS Ltd succeeding in the continues development of RISC OS X-Bar: ------------------------------------------------------------------- X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hi David, On Thu 02 May, David Pilling wrote: > > If you save a document as DDL, load into Edit, you'll find that > styles for example have a 'wordwrap' setting. > [snip] Found it. Thanks. Still doing some experimenting: Back as a normal OvationPro document, and save a DDL version into Zap, the '{wordwrap 0}' is there. But resaving the 'nowrap' style, the '{wordwrap 0}' item is completely lost. Dropping a new DDL version into Zap shows me so So I Guess this tempering with a style should be left alone, and don't resave the style again. Is that normal behaviour? Perhaps the solution of Ray Dawson is an easy one to use quickly. Thanks David! greetings, Johan -- Johan Heuseveldt aka waarland The best place is a Riscy place It is much easier to suggest solutions when you know nothing about the problem. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri May 3 03:06:25 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA165270 for opro ; Fri, 03 May 102 03:06:23 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1020385887:20:11624:63; Fri, 03 May 2002 00:31:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2010613; 3 May 2002 0:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g430ato07043 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 3 May 2002 01:36:55 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g430ari07040 for ; Fri, 3 May 2002 01:36:53 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 173Qxs-0008J6-0U for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 03 May 2002 01:30:24 +0100 Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 22:08:30 GMT Message-Id: <165255@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: No word wrap X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Yes, I'd go with the hard space solution. That is a smart idea. Me, I know too much... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri May 3 13:50:47 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA165274 for opro ; Fri, 03 May 102 13:50:46 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1020405033:10:21808:67; Fri, 03 May 2002 05:50:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1113962; 3 May 2002 5:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g435tcQ07693 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 3 May 2002 06:55:38 +0100 Received: from mxout1.netvision.net.il (mxout1.netvision.net.il [194.90.9.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g435tZi07690 for ; Fri, 3 May 2002 06:55:35 +0100 Received: from netvision.net.il ([212.143.37.62]) by mxout1.netvision.net.il (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built Sep 5 2001)) with ESMTPA id <0GVI00IAZTHD4W@mxout1.netvision.net.il> for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 03 May 2002 08:48:50 +0300 (IDT) Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 08:48:43 +0300 From: Michael Ben-Gershon Subject: Kerning To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-id: <3CD224BB.2050603@netvision.net.il> Organization: My Office MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-GB, en, he User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.0rc1) Gecko/20020417 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I am trying to get manual kerning to work on OvPro, but with no success. According to the manual, it should work by using tracking with no selection set. However, that doesn't seem to work. If I select the relevant two characters and then use tracking it is OK, but then if I also need to do the same to any neighbouring character pairs instead of having two separately kerned character pairs I end up with all 4 characters kerned together. Michael Ben-Gershon mybg@netvision.net.il -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri May 3 22:35:07 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA165298 for opro ; Fri, 03 May 102 22:35:06 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1020444447:20:05056:120; Fri, 03 May 2002 16:47:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2107665; 3 May 2002 16:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g43GpCc09299 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 3 May 2002 17:51:12 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g43GpAi09296 for ; Fri, 3 May 2002 17:51:10 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 173gAW-000It8-0U for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 03 May 2002 17:44:28 +0100 Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 13:55:12 GMT Message-Id: <165286@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Kerning X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I am trying to get manual kerning to work on OvPro, but >with no success. According to the manual, it should work >by using tracking with no selection set. I think it only works from the keyboard (for unselected char pairs) As I recall when the manual was written it was going to work from the text effects window, but the programmer saw problems with that, and keyboard only was agreed. Pity if this lived on into the new manual. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue May 7 21:29:03 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA165321 for opro ; Tue, 07 May 102 21:28:10 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1020539910:20:22694:60; Sat, 04 May 2002 19:18:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2022301; 4 May 2002 19:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g44JIhJ12074 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 4 May 2002 20:18:43 +0100 Received: from mxout3.netvision.net.il (mxout3.netvision.net.il [194.90.9.24]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g44JIdi12071 for ; Sat, 4 May 2002 20:18:40 +0100 Received: from netvision.net.il ([212.143.37.196]) by mxout3.netvision.net.il (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built Sep 5 2001)) with ESMTPA id <0GVL00492PBXFU@mxout3.netvision.net.il> for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 04 May 2002 22:11:57 +0300 (IDT) Date: Sat, 04 May 2002 22:11:26 +0300 From: Michael Ben-Gershon Subject: Re: Kerning To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-id: <3CD4325E.7030906@netvision.net.il> Organization: My Office MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-GB, en, he User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.0rc1) Gecko/20020417 References: <165286@pilling.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R David Pilling wrote: >>I am trying to get manual kerning to work on OvPro, but >>with no success. According to the manual, it should work >>by using tracking with no selection set. > > > I think it only works from the keyboard (for unselected char pairs) > > As I recall when the manual was written it was going to work from the > text effects window, but the programmer saw problems with that, and > keyboard only was agreed. How is it done from the keyboard, and how would it be reflected in DDL, as I have tried that route as well, with no success. Michael Ben-Gershon mybg@netvision.net.il -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue May 7 21:31:46 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA165370 for opro ; Tue, 07 May 102 21:31:45 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1020704248:20:03642:67; Mon, 06 May 2002 16:57:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2125008; 6 May 2002 16:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g46H1Ge16996 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 May 2002 18:01:16 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.94]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g46H1Di16993 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 18:01:13 +0100 Received: from weeble.demon.co.uk ([158.152.73.65]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 174lkL-000Ja3-0a for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 06 May 2002 17:53:57 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 17:53:38 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: D C Jones Subject: Fonts References: <165286@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <165286@pilling.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Leading on from kerning (sorry about that!) but on a vaguely related topic, does anyone know a) Is there an Acorn version of the Gill Sans font? b) Where can I get it? Many thanks in advance -- D C Jones -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue May 7 21:31:58 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA165371 for opro ; Tue, 07 May 102 21:31:49 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1020707795:20:19300:65; Mon, 06 May 2002 17:56:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2018343; 6 May 2002 17:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g46I2BA17199 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 May 2002 19:02:11 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.93]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g46I29i17196 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 19:02:09 +0100 Received: from talibard.demon.co.uk ([158.152.207.34]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 174mhI-0005vm-0Z for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 06 May 2002 18:54:52 +0100 Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 18:54:04 +0100 (BST) From: Michael Talibard Subject: Re: Fonts To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 06 May, D C Jones wrote: > a) Is there an Acorn version of the Gill Sans font? > b) Where can I get it? I obtained this and many other fine fonts from LookSystems - but whether they still offer this kind of thing, I don't know. A quick glance at their website suggests not. -- Michael Talibard -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue May 7 21:32:17 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA165374 for opro ; Tue, 07 May 102 21:32:15 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1020711883:20:13960:53; Mon, 06 May 2002 19:04:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2013134; 6 May 2002 19:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g46JAOK17463 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 May 2002 20:10:24 +0100 Received: from mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (mta05-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.45]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g46JAMi17460 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 20:10:22 +0100 Received: from tinshill.f9.co.uk ([80.0.16.154]) by mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020506185359.WUDX4626.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@tinshill.f9.co.uk> for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 19:53:59 +0100 Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 19:53:51 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: Fonts To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Mon 06 May, D C Jones wrote: > Leading on from kerning (sorry about that!) but on a vaguely related > topic, does anyone know > > a) Is there an Acorn version of the Gill Sans font? > > b) Where can I get it? EFF de Gaulle looks close (EFF CD2) CC Gallant claims to be Gill Sans Extra Bold (Artworks) I have a feeling there's also Gyles but don't seem to have a copy around. Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue May 7 21:32:36 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA165376 for opro ; Tue, 07 May 102 21:32:29 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1020716517:20:13963:54; Mon, 06 May 2002 20:21:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2121178; 6 May 2002 20:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g46KS3n17705 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 May 2002 21:28:03 +0100 Received: from host1.kbnet.co.uk (host1.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g46KS1i17702 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 21:28:01 +0100 Received: from kbnet.co.uk (host213-1-41-32.webport.bt.net [213.1.41.32]) by host1.kbnet.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g46KOZF18298 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 20:24:35 GMT Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 21:23:30 +0100 From: Mike Williams To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Fonts Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Akalat Publishing User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/3.60) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: > In on Mon 06 May, D C Jones wrote: > > Leading on from kerning (sorry about that!) but on a vaguely related > > topic, does anyone know > > > > a) Is there an Acorn version of the Gill Sans font? > > > > b) Where can I get it? > > EFF de Gaulle looks close (EFF CD2) > > CC Gallant claims to be Gill Sans Extra Bold (Artworks) > > I have a feeling there's also Gyles but don't seem to have a copy around. > EFF deGaule is a version of Frutiger not Gill Sans. iSV had a version of Gills Sans, possibly iSVSans. EFF Eric is probably the best of what is currently available. Mike Williams Akalat Publishing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue May 7 21:32:47 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA165377 for opro ; Tue, 07 May 102 21:32:40 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1020718680:20:10734:61; Mon, 06 May 2002 20:58:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2010119; 6 May 2002 20:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g46L0uQ17906 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 May 2002 22:00:56 +0100 Received: from mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (mta05-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.45]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g46L0si17903 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 22:00:54 +0100 Received: from tinshill.f9.co.uk ([80.0.16.154]) by mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020506205335.MNYS2755.mta05-svc.ntlworld.com@tinshill.f9.co.uk> for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 21:53:35 +0100 Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 21:53:21 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: Fonts To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Mon 06 May, Mike Williams wrote: > In message you wrote: > > > In on Mon 06 May, D C Jones wrote: > > > Leading on from kerning (sorry about that!) but on a vaguely related > > > topic, does anyone know > > > > > > a) Is there an Acorn version of the Gill Sans font? > > > > > > b) Where can I get it? > > > > EFF de Gaulle looks close (EFF CD2) > > > > CC Gallant claims to be Gill Sans Extra Bold (Artworks) > > > > I have a feeling there's also Gyles but don't seem to have a copy around. > > > EFF deGaule is a version of Frutiger not Gill Sans. iSV had a version > of Gills Sans, possibly iSVSans. EFF Eric is probably the best of > what is currently available. Thanks for the correction. At least Eric is the other name of Mr Gill who designed Gill Sans, makes much more sense than my guess! Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue May 7 21:33:22 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA165383 for opro ; Tue, 07 May 102 21:33:17 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1020763486:20:07753:86; Tue, 07 May 2002 09:24:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2117815; 7 May 2002 9:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g479RkO19426 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 7 May 2002 10:27:46 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g479Rhi19423 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 10:27:43 +0100 Received: from abacusline.demon.co.uk ([194.222.194.153]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17518f-0008vT-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 07 May 2002 09:20:05 +0000 Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 09:49:18 +0100 (BST) From: Ovation Pro Subject: Re: Fonts To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 06 May, D C Jones wrote: > Is there an Acorn version of the Gill Sans font? I have a copy of the EFF book called "EFF Type Library". It lists and gives examples of their typefaces. They state that their Acorn equivalent of "Gill Sans" is "Eric". It is a well proportioned Sans Serif typeface similar to the typeface designed for the London Underground in 1918 by Jonston. Eric is available in a wide range of weights. They are named as Regular, Bold, Extra Bold, Ultra Bold. It is also available as Condensed in Regular, Bold and Ultra Bold. The Condensed set is called Narrow, Bold Narrow and Ultra Bold Narrow. All these weights are available as Oblique. The notes say that Gill Sans was designed in the mid 1920s by Eric Gill - hence the name Eric given by EFF to their version. The Extra Bold and Ultra Bold weights were designed more recently after Eric Gill's death. Gerald -- GoldLine - Gerald L Fitton -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue May 7 21:33:26 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA165385 for opro ; Tue, 07 May 102 21:33:23 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1020772297:20:18329:104; Tue, 07 May 2002 11:51:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2116655; 7 May 2002 11:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g47BXkl19826 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 7 May 2002 12:33:46 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47BXfi19822 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 12:33:42 +0100 Received: from dougal.locationworks.com ([62.49.148.34] helo=kell) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17536l-000AYi-0Y for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 07 May 2002 12:26:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Kell Gatherer To: Ovation Pro List Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 12:19:12 +0100 Subject: Re: Fonts Message-ID: <4b32dd5cfdlists@locsource.com> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.03c (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Ovation Pro wrote: > They state that their Acorn equivalent of "Gill Sans" is "Eric". Harry Decker's very excellent Font Site www.fonts.iconbar.com has now got 4,402 fonts. One thing it (or another site) could do with, however, would be an equivalents section - a way of finding out what an equivalent Acorn font is called. That would be useful. -- Kell Gatherer kell@locsource.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue May 7 21:33:31 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA165388 for opro ; Tue, 07 May 102 21:33:29 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1020709716:10:21911:173; Mon, 06 May 2002 18:28:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1022150; 6 May 2002 18:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g46ILQq17305 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 May 2002 19:21:26 +0100 Received: from smarthost0.mail.uk.easynet.net (smarthost0.mail.uk.easynet.net [212.135.6.10]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g46ILNi17302 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 19:21:23 +0100 Received: from tnt-3-94.easynet.co.uk ([195.40.202.94] helo=ukonline.co.uk) by smarthost0.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 174mzt-0004wb-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 06 May 2002 19:14:06 +0100 Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 19:10:54 +0100 From: Dave Morrell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Fonts Message-ID: <13387f324b.dmorrell@dmorrell.ukonline.co.uk> References: <165286@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message D C Jones wrote: > Leading on from kerning (sorry about that!) but on a vaguely related > topic, does anyone know > > a) Is there an Acorn version of the Gill Sans font? > b) Where can I get it? > > Many thanks in advance Gill Sans was available from Adrian Look Eric is available from EFF Hope this helps Dave -- Dave Morrell Middlesbrough (UK) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue May 7 21:33:38 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA165392 for opro ; Tue, 07 May 102 21:33:36 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1020791374:20:10359:57; Tue, 07 May 2002 17:09:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2008347; 7 May 2002 17:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g47HDUv20773 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 7 May 2002 18:13:30 +0100 Received: from mail6.svr.pol.co.uk (mail6.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.212]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47HDRi20770 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 18:13:27 +0100 Received: from modem-179.chlorine.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.16.179] helo=localhost) by mail6.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1758PV-0007Az-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 07 May 2002 18:05:58 +0100 Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 17:20:38 +0100 From: Robin Phillips To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Problem with tab-ruler Message-ID: X-Organization: home X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.68 User-Agent: POPstar/2.03 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id g47HDSi20771 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id g47HDUw20773 Dear colleagues, I recently had to print a pamphlet which contained some accounts on 2 pag= es, and these were set landscape, not portrait. At the end of these accounts= was a small frame measuring something like 25mm high, and 190mm wide, and lik= e the other frames on that page it had been rotated 90=B0. When I tried to= alter the tabulation, by pressing Control-Tab the tab ruler displayed, but was = at right angles with the frame. This made it impossible to use it, partly because most of it was off the side of the monitor screen. It would be m= ost helpful if the tab ruler was always displayed in the same direction as th= e letters on the line the user is typing! Is there any way out of this? Thanks in advance, Yours, Robin. --=20 Robin Phillips, 1, Newcastle Avenue, Beeston, Notts., NG9 1BT; Phone: +44 (0)115 922 4930 E-mail: rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue May 7 21:33:38 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA165391 for opro ; Tue, 07 May 102 21:33:34 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1020717132:10:00484:190; Mon, 06 May 2002 20:32:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1116324; 6 May 2002 20:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g46KNjX17687 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 May 2002 21:23:45 +0100 Received: from rhenium.btinternet.com (rhenium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.93]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g46KNgi17684 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 21:23:42 +0100 Received: from host213-1-190-232.btinternet.com ([213.1.190.232] helo=btinternet.com) by rhenium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 174ouF-0007XG-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 06 May 2002 21:16:23 +0100 Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 21:08:35 +0100 From: Ed Donnelly To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Fonts Message-ID: <39fe89324b.eddonnelly@freeuk.com> References: <165286@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: You must be joking User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Lo, in message D C Jones did write: > Leading on from kerning (sorry about that!) but on a vaguely related > topic, does anyone know > > a) Is there an Acorn version of the Gill Sans font? > b) Where can I get it? Try Harry Decker's Font Emporium - http://www.fonts.iconbar.com/Microsoft/ TTFN, Ed -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue May 7 21:33:48 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA165397 for opro ; Tue, 07 May 102 21:33:46 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1020732793:10:27547:86; Tue, 07 May 2002 00:53:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1027920; 7 May 2002 0:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g470v0F18371 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 7 May 2002 01:57:00 +0100 Received: from kx1-gui.server.which.net (kx1-gui.server.which.net [194.168.97.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g470uwi18368 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 01:56:58 +0100 Received: from waddell.which.net ([62.253.77.118]) by kx1-gui.server.which.net (InterMail vK.4.03.02.00 201-232-124 license e70b2acfbd69d84cc925654164bd8fad) with SMTP id <20020507004933.XYKJ18804.kx1-gui@waddell.which.net> for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 01:49:33 +0100 Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 01:11:24 +0100 (BST) From: John Waddell Subject: Re: Fonts To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 06 May, Anthony Hilton wrote: > > In on Mon 06 May, D C Jones wrote: > > Leading on from kerning (sorry about that!) but on a vaguely related > > topic, does anyone know > > > > a) Is there an Acorn version of the Gill Sans font? > > > > b) Where can I get it? > > EFF de Gaulle looks close (EFF CD2) > > CC Gallant claims to be Gill Sans Extra Bold (Artworks) > > I have a feeling there's also Gyles but don't seem to have a copy around. > > Anthony Hilton > The Gyles family is available on the iSV Typography CD -- John Waddell, Langbank, Renfrewshire -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue May 7 21:33:56 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA165402 for opro ; Tue, 07 May 102 21:33:55 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1020766634:10:10862:75; Tue, 07 May 2002 10:17:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1123765; 7 May 2002 10:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g47A8lp19584 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 7 May 2002 11:08:47 +0100 Received: from obelix.spectraweb.ch (obelix.plusnet.ch [194.158.230.8]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47A8ii19581 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 11:08:44 +0100 Received: from janvredenburchsmile.ch (abo-mu-1-1-dialup-103.spectraweb.ch [194.230.153.103]) by obelix.spectraweb.ch (8.11.2/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with SMTP id g47A17l27571 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 12:01:08 +0200 Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 10:59:01 +0200 (BST) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: Clipboard manager To: Ovation Pro mailing list In-Reply-To: <4b2ca4f35dbrian@drood68.freeserve.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: CIC member; Secretariaat St. Van Vredenburch X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 25 Apr, Brian Jordan wrote: > > I have just reinstalled the !Clipbrds applet (v1.13) and it has promptly > reminded me why I uninstalled it last time. With OvPro 2.66 about two out > of three attempts to use the clipboard manager cause the program to > crash. snip the rest Was absent for a week, therefore this late reaction. Based on your explanation OvPro also cashes with me. But it does *not* crash if one has 1st activated the main frame, i.e. one clicks in the main frame. And then pastes. Presumably this is because if the main frame is not activated the Clipboard does not know where to position the paste symbol (a plus sign). This subject to David Pilling's better ideas. JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch, CH - 6006 Luzern **new email address** email: janvredenburch@smile.ch .. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue May 7 21:34:01 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA165403 for opro ; Tue, 07 May 102 21:33:59 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1020771546:10:28473:140; Tue, 07 May 2002 11:39:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1113523; 7 May 2002 11:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g47BXjK19825 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 7 May 2002 12:33:45 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47BXfi19818 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 12:33:41 +0100 Received: from dougal.locationworks.com ([62.49.148.34] helo=kell) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17536k-000AYi-0Y for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 07 May 2002 12:26:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Kell Gatherer To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 12:03:11 +0100 Subject: Re: Fonts Message-ID: <4b32dbe598lists@locsource.com> In-Reply-To: References: <165286@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03c (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , D C Jones wrote: > a) Is there an Acorn version of the Gill Sans font? > b) Where can I get it? HTH, -- Kell Gatherer kell@locsource.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue May 7 21:34:03 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA165404 for opro ; Tue, 07 May 102 21:34:00 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1020801600:20:23398:61; Tue, 07 May 2002 20:00:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2023216; 7 May 2002 19:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g47K6bN21204 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 7 May 2002 21:06:37 +0100 Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (frogger.freedom2.net [213.161.67.203]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47K6Zi21201 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 21:06:35 +0100 Received: from [62.188.10.238] (helo=argonet) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 175B5y-00070I-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 07 May 2002 20:57:59 +0100 Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 20:41:24 +0100 From: Chris Wragg To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Problem with tab-ruler Message-ID: <26570b334b.Chris@cwragg.argonet.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.28) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id g47K6Zi21202 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id g47K6bO21204 Status: R In message you wrote: > Dear colleagues, >=20 > I recently had to print a pamphlet which contained some accounts on 2 p= ages, > and these were set landscape, not portrait. At the end of these accoun= ts was > a small frame measuring something like 25mm high, and 190mm wide, and l= ike > the other frames on that page it had been rotated 90=B0. When I tried = to alter > the tabulation, by pressing Control-Tab the tab ruler displayed, but wa= s at > right angles with the frame. This made it impossible to use it, partly > because most of it was off the side of the monitor screen. It would be= most > helpful if the tab ruler was always displayed in the same direction as = the > letters on the line the user is typing! >=20 > Is there any way out of this? By coincidence I have had exactly the same problem today. I managed to set the tabs by guesswork reasonably satisfactorily, but it has to be a weak spot. Any chance of adding this to the wish list, David? ChrisW=20 --=20 Chris Wragg, Banham, Norfolk cwragg@argonet.co.uk RISC OS software - Mathematics - Walking - BASIC programming ... =20 ... http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/cwragg -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed May 8 02:02:24 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA165440 for opro ; Wed, 08 May 102 02:02:22 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1020807240:10:24714:53; Tue, 07 May 2002 21:34:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1118500; 7 May 2002 21:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g47LenF21478 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 7 May 2002 22:40:49 +0100 Received: from blueyonder.co.uk (pcow035o.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.53.121]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47Cjli20156 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 13:45:51 +0100 Received: from pcow035o.blueyonder.co.uk ([127.0.0.1]) by blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Tue, 7 May 2002 13:37:59 +0100 Received: from workgroup.Riscpc (unverified [62.30.66.196]) by pcow035o.blueyonder.co.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.9) with SMTP id for In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.04a (RISC-OS/4.29) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Michael Talibard wrote: > On Mon 06 May, D C Jones wrote: > > a) Is there an Acorn version of the Gill Sans font? > > b) Where can I get it? > I obtained this and many other fine fonts from > LookSystems - but whether they still offer this > kind of thing, I don't know. A quick glance at > their website suggests not. They came in a set of 11 variants, ranging from Light to Extra Bold, licensed I believe from Monotype. Pity if they're not still available. Regards Jack -- Jack Evans Bristol UK mailto:jack@ljsevans.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed May 8 02:02:25 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA165441 for opro ; Wed, 08 May 102 02:02:22 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1020807244:20:03823:59; Tue, 07 May 2002 21:34:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2105727; 7 May 2002 21:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g47Leq521481 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 7 May 2002 22:40:52 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47Leii21469 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 22:40:48 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 175Ca8-000NlB-0W for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 07 May 2002 22:33:12 +0100 Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 22:21:36 GMT Message-Id: <165428@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Kerning X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, >How is it done from the keyboard ^ < ^> Decrease/increase font size by 1pt ^S< ^S> Decrease/increase font size through range ^; ^ Decrease/increase kerning or tracking by 1/1000 em ^S; ^S Decrease/increase kerning or tracking by 1/100 em ^[ ^] Decrease/increase horizontal scale by 1% ^S[ ^S] Decrease/increase horizontal scale by 5% Or more intelligibly, see page 2 of the quick reference card document on the CD (or the real card of course). >and how would it be reflected in DDL, as I have tried that route as well A criticism which has been rightly made is that OP has no kerning command, all it does is track single characters. So you'd expect to see tracking in the DDL. But then again recently the fancy space/move features came in. That I think provides another route to 'kerning'. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed May 8 02:02:29 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA165442 for opro ; Wed, 08 May 102 02:02:26 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1020807240:10:24699:53; Tue, 07 May 2002 21:34:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1118489; 7 May 2002 21:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g47Lerk21482 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 7 May 2002 22:40:53 +0100 Received: from mail6.svr.pol.co.uk (mail6.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.212]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47HDOi20763 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 18:13:24 +0100 Received: from modem-179.chlorine.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.16.179] helo=localhost) by mail6.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1758PS-0007Az-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 07 May 2002 18:05:54 +0100 Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 17:12:52 +0100 From: Robin Phillips To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Expanding abbreviation! Message-ID: <913ff8324b%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> X-Organization: home X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.68 User-Agent: POPstar/2.03 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Dear colleagues, Recently my wife was typing up some family history research, using Ovation pro, and she entered the abbreviation "op" at the end of s sentence, and when she keyed the full stop the word changed to Ovation Pro. She was of course writing in lower-case. Can you tell me what is causing this to happen, and how do we cancel it? Presumably it is some way for expanding selected combinations of letters which might represent frequently used names or phrases? I look forward to your help! Robin. -- Robin Phillips, 1, Newcastle Avenue, Beeston, Notts., NG9 1BT; Phone: +44 (0)115 922 4930 E-mail: rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed May 8 02:02:33 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA165444 for opro ; Wed, 08 May 102 02:02:30 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1020811364:20:03537:54; Tue, 07 May 2002 22:42:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2002496; 7 May 2002 22:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g47Mn3W21824 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 7 May 2002 23:49:03 +0100 Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (frogger.freedom2.net [213.161.67.203]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47Mn1i21820 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 23:49:01 +0100 Received: from [62.188.133.22] (helo=62.188.133.22) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 175Dd5-000300-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 07 May 2002 23:40:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: David Breakwell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 23:32:29 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Expanding abbreviation! Message-ID: <4b33207f60davidb@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b3319bbacmarten@annerykiln.co.uk> References: <913ff8324b%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> <4b3319bbacmarten@annerykiln.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4b3319bbacmarten@annerykiln.co.uk>, Marten Gallagher wrote: > I don't know but there may be a mean of temporarily disabling it in the > Applets menu off the main menu (MENU button over OPro window). Select the abbreviations option in the Applets menu (tick indicates abbreviation expansion is on). -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | davidb@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed May 8 02:02:37 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA165447 for opro ; Wed, 08 May 102 02:02:34 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1020810215:10:18875:114; Tue, 07 May 2002 22:23:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1105230; 7 May 2002 22:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g47MUeZ21767 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 7 May 2002 23:30:40 +0100 Received: from ns1.pulse8design.com (qmailr@ns.pulse8design.com [212.67.199.122]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id g47MUbi21764 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 23:30:37 +0100 Received: (qmail 2132 invoked from network); 7 May 2002 22:16:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO RiscPC) (unknown) by unknown with SMTP; 7 May 2002 22:16:53 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Marten Gallagher To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 23:18:36 +0100 Subject: Re: Expanding abbreviation! Message-ID: <4b3319bbacmarten@annerykiln.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <913ff8324b%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> References: <913ff8324b%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <913ff8324b%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk>, Robin Phillips wrote: > Dear colleagues, > Recently my wife was typing up some family history research, using > Ovation pro, and she entered the abbreviation "op" at the end of s > sentence, and when she keyed the full stop the word changed to Ovation > Pro. She was of course writing in lower-case. > Can you tell me what is causing this to happen, and how do we cancel it? > Presumably it is some way for expanding selected combinations of > letters which might represent frequently used names or phrases? It's an applet. Open up !OPro (SHIFT DOUBLE CLICK) Open Applets. You've probably got the applet 'Abbreviations' or similarly named in there. To disable double click the Applet and a - (minus) sign should appear after it. QUIT OPro, and re-run it. Should then be disabled. I don't know but there may be a mean of temporarily disabling it in the Applets menu off the main menu (MENU button over OPro window). HTH -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed May 8 02:02:40 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA165448 for opro ; Wed, 08 May 102 02:02:38 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1020810598:10:25360:72; Tue, 07 May 2002 22:29:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1025308; 7 May 2002 22:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g47MbGs21787 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 7 May 2002 23:37:16 +0100 Received: from mail4.svr.pol.co.uk (mail4.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.211]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47MbDi21784 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 23:37:13 +0100 Received: from modem-2368.rhino.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.105.64] helo=riscpc) by mail4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 175DSm-0008Kn-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 07 May 2002 23:29:41 +0100 Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 23:22:24 +0100 From: Alan Adams To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Expanding abbreviation! Message-ID: References: <913ff8324b%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <913ff8324b%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10 (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <913ff8324b%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> you wrote: > Dear colleagues, > > Recently my wife was typing up some family history research, using Ovation > pro, and she entered the abbreviation "op" at the end of s sentence, and when > she keyed the full stop the word changed to Ovation Pro. She was of course > writing in lower-case. > > Can you tell me what is causing this to happen, and how do we cancel it? > Presumably it is some way for expanding selected combinations of letters > which might represent frequently used names or phrases? > > I look forward to your help! Robin. I seem to remember an aplet called Abbrev - do you have it running? Alan -- Alan Adams alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed May 8 18:29:00 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA165463 for opro ; Wed, 08 May 102 18:28:59 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1020866305:10:03512:79; Wed, 08 May 2002 13:58:25 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1114747; 8 May 2002 13:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g48E4MW23733 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 8 May 2002 15:04:22 +0100 Received: from napoli.armware (zappo@67.adsl0.soeb.worldonline.dk [213.237.11.67]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g48E4Ji23730 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 15:04:19 +0100 Received: from pd95065d0.dip.t-dialin.net (veni) [217.80.101.208] by napoli.armware with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 175Rvo-0003mK-00; Wed, 08 May 2002 15:56:36 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Bellon To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 15:56:40 +0200 Subject: PostScript printing problem Message-ID: <4b336f9d91sbellon@sbellon.de> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04b (RISC-OS/4.29) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hi! I just wanted to print something from Ovation Pro as PostScript file, but I didn't succeed. I tried with both, Printers 1.64 and 1.90b4 and the PostScript Level 2 driver, but I always end up with Ovation Pro doing a "type=5 error" and taking the whole machine down. PostScript-printing from e.g. Draw works fine with the same printer drivers. Printing the same file from Ovation Pro to my PCL printer works fine as well. Just the PostScript one doesn't. BTW: This is with Select 4.29. Does anybody recognise this problem? Or does it work for others? TIA. Greetings, Stefan. -- Stefan Bellon * * PGP 2 and OpenPGP keys available from my home page 99% of accidents occur at home ... stay safe, go out lots! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed May 8 18:29:08 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA165466 for opro ; Wed, 08 May 102 18:29:05 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1020873913:10:25244:111; Wed, 08 May 2002 16:05:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1119438; 8 May 2002 16:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g48G6NO24152 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 8 May 2002 17:06:23 +0100 Received: from mail-r1.hw.ac.uk (mail-r.hw.ac.uk [137.195.101.211]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g48G6Ki24149 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 17:06:20 +0100 Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.32.15]) by mail-r1.hw.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 175Tpp-0000TW-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 08 May 2002 16:58:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 16:54:04 +0100 Subject: Re: PostScript printing problem Message-ID: <4b337a5d45C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b336f9d91sbellon@sbellon.de> References: <4b336f9d91sbellon@sbellon.de> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04b (RISC-OS/4.29) Content-Type: text/plain X-Scanner: exiscan *175Tpp-0000TW-00*XJoyH/mvS4M* http://duncanthrax.net/exiscan/ Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4b336f9d91sbellon@sbellon.de>, Stefan Bellon wrote: > Hi! > I just wanted to print something from Ovation Pro as PostScript > file, but I didn't succeed. > I tried with both, Printers 1.64 and 1.90b4 and the PostScript > Level 2 driver, but I always end up with Ovation Pro doing a > "type=5 error" and taking the whole machine down. > PostScript-printing from e.g. Draw works fine with the same printer > drivers. Printing the same file from Ovation Pro to my PCL printer > works fine as well. Just the PostScript one doesn't. > BTW: This is with Select 4.29. > Does anybody recognise this problem? Or does it work for others? I am using Select 4.29 and Printers 1.90b4 and always print to a network postscript printer. Never had any trouble with any of the Select releases. Chris... -- Chris Johnson mailto: opro@chris-johnson.org.uk (at home) ovpro site: http://www.chris-johnson.org.uk/ovationpro/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed May 8 18:34:59 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA165474 for opro ; Wed, 08 May 102 18:34:57 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1020877685:10:09454:83; Wed, 08 May 2002 17:08:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1110058; 8 May 2002 17:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g48H97h24375 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 8 May 2002 18:09:07 +0100 Received: from mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (mta06-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.46]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g48H94i24372 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 18:09:04 +0100 Received: from miranda.philipnet.com ([80.1.191.221]) by mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020508170121.LWPF23864.mta06-svc.ntlworld.com@miranda.philipnet.com> for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 18:01:21 +0100 Received: from philipnet.com (unknown [192.168.1.3]) by miranda.philipnet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99B522011F for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 18:02:31 +0100 (BST) Received: from philip by philipnet.com with local (RemoteNB 1.53) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; 08 May 2002 18:01:18 +0100 Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 18:01:17 +0100 From: Philip Ludlam To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: PostScript printing problem Message-ID: <8d8480334b.philip@philipnet.com> References: <4b336f9d91sbellon@sbellon.de> In-Reply-To: <4b336f9d91sbellon@sbellon.de> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60 (RemoteNB/1.53) (RISC-OS/3.70) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <4b336f9d91sbellon@sbellon.de> Stefan Bellon wrote: >Hi! > >I just wanted to print something from Ovation Pro as PostScript file, >but I didn't succeed. > >I tried with both, Printers 1.64 and 1.90b4 and the PostScript Level 2 >driver, but I always end up with Ovation Pro doing a "type=5 error" and >taking the whole machine down. > >PostScript-printing from e.g. Draw works fine with the same printer >drivers. Printing the same file from Ovation Pro to my PCL printer >works fine as well. Just the PostScript one doesn't. > >BTW: This is with Select 4.29. > >Does anybody recognise this problem? Or does it work for others? I'm using the PostScript Level 2 driver with Printers 1.62 and I've had no problems. Yours, Phil L. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed May 8 23:19:58 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA165486 for opro ; Wed, 08 May 102 23:19:55 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1020881363:10:12538:65; Wed, 08 May 2002 18:09:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1012449; 8 May 2002 18:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g48IEjD24582 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 8 May 2002 19:14:45 +0100 Received: from napoli.armware (zappo@67.adsl0.soeb.worldonline.dk [213.237.11.67]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g48IEfi24579 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 19:14:42 +0100 Received: from pd95065d0.dip.t-dialin.net (veni) [217.80.101.208] by napoli.armware with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 175Vq3-0003z0-00; Wed, 08 May 2002 20:06:55 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Bellon To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 20:06:58 +0200 Subject: Re: PostScript printing problem Message-ID: <4b338687edsbellon@sbellon.de> In-Reply-To: <4b337a5d45C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> References: <4b336f9d91sbellon@sbellon.de> <4b337a5d45C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04b (RISC-OS/4.29) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Chris Johnson wrote: > In article <4b336f9d91sbellon@sbellon.de>, > Stefan Bellon wrote: [snip] > > I tried with both, Printers 1.64 and 1.90b4 and the PostScript > > Level 2 driver, but I always end up with Ovation Pro doing a > > "type=5 error" and taking the whole machine down. [snip] > I am using Select 4.29 and Printers 1.90b4 and always print to a > network postscript printer. Never had any trouble with any of the > Select releases. I've just done a few more tests: * printing the same file via Taborca (Demo) as PDF works * printing the same file as PostScript---but font Palazzo substituted with Trinity---works as well So, it appears to be a problem with PostScript and the Palazzo font. At present I'm not sure whether it's the Palazzo font itself or just any font which isn't mapped, but included as bitmap. Any ideas? Greetings, Stefan. -- Stefan Bellon * * PGP 2 and OpenPGP keys available from my home page Waughning : Spel chekur knot wurking at phull kapacity -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed May 8 23:20:03 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA165489 for opro ; Wed, 08 May 102 23:20:01 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1020885913:20:11748:72; Wed, 08 May 2002 19:25:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2011294; 8 May 2002 19:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g48JVX724797 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 8 May 2002 20:31:33 +0100 Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (frogger.freedom2.net [213.161.67.203]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g48JVVi24794 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 20:31:31 +0100 Received: from [62.188.137.114] (helo=RiscPC) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 175X1L-0004lB-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 08 May 2002 20:22:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 08:17:43 +0100 Subject: Re: Expanding abbreviation! Message-ID: <4b334b1741steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b3319bbacmarten@annerykiln.co.uk> References: <913ff8324b%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> <4b3319bbacmarten@annerykiln.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4b3319bbacmarten@annerykiln.co.uk>, Marten Gallagher wrote: > In article <913ff8324b%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk>, Robin > Phillips wrote: > > Dear colleagues, > > Recently my wife was typing up some family history research, using > > Ovation pro, and she entered the abbreviation "op" at the end of s > > sentence, and when she keyed the full stop the word changed to Ovation > > Pro. She was of course writing in lower-case. > > Can you tell me what is causing this to happen, and how do we cancel > > it? Presumably it is some way for expanding selected combinations of > > letters which might represent frequently used names or phrases? > It's an applet. > Open up !OPro (SHIFT DOUBLE CLICK) > Open Applets. > You've probably got the applet 'Abbreviations' or similarly named in > there. > To disable double click the Applet and a - (minus) sign should appear > after it. > QUIT OPro, and re-run it. Should then be disabled. > I don't know but there may be a mean of temporarily disabling it in the > Applets menu off the main menu (MENU button over OPro window). Why not edit the list of expansions instead? Then you can continue to use other (possibly useful) abbreviation-expansion sets. -- Steve Pampling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed May 8 23:20:09 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA165491 for opro ; Wed, 08 May 102 23:20:06 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1020887960:20:27162:282; Wed, 08 May 2002 19:59:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2028280; 8 May 2002 19:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g48K6mK24944 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 8 May 2002 21:06:48 +0100 Received: from mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (mta07-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.47]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g48K6ji24941 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 21:06:45 +0100 Received: from tinshill.f9.co.uk ([80.0.16.154]) by mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020508195901.XQVI29981.mta07-svc.ntlworld.com@tinshill.f9.co.uk> for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 20:59:01 +0100 Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 20:58:46 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: PostScript printing problem To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <4b336f9d91sbellon@sbellon.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Wed 08 May, Stefan Bellon wrote: > Hi! > > I just wanted to print something from Ovation Pro as PostScript file, > but I didn't succeed. > > I tried with both, Printers 1.64 and 1.90b4 and the PostScript Level 2 > driver, but I always end up with Ovation Pro doing a "type=5 error" and > taking the whole machine down. > > PostScript-printing from e.g. Draw works fine with the same printer > drivers. Printing the same file from Ovation Pro to my PCL printer > works fine as well. Just the PostScript one doesn't. > > BTW: This is with Select 4.29. > > Does anybody recognise this problem? Or does it work for others? Select 4.29, Printers 1.64a (always print to file and drag to lpr to print over the network), Kyocera PS pdf. Not seen that problem. What is the Next slot set to in Task Manager? Do you run any font manager? Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed May 8 23:20:14 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA165493 for opro ; Wed, 08 May 102 23:20:11 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1020890151:20:16431:57; Wed, 08 May 2002 20:35:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2121766; 8 May 2002 20:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g48KgxR25079 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 8 May 2002 21:42:59 +0100 Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (frogger.freedom2.net [213.161.67.203]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g48Kgui25076 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 21:42:56 +0100 Received: from [62.188.137.135] (helo=62.188.137.135) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 175Y8R-0006SS-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 08 May 2002 21:34:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Roger Foden) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 08:00:39 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.34 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Re: Fonts Message-Id: 2452402.80395roger.foden@argonet.co.uk In-Reply-To: <39fe89324b.eddonnelly@freeuk.com> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > Lo, in message > D C Jones did write: > > > does anyone know > > > > a) Is there an Acorn version of the Gill Sans font? > > b) Where can I get it? Gyles Sans, the ISV version, is on the Ovation Pro CD, under OvationPro/zip.DavidPilling.Fonts So if you have Ovation Pro, you have Gyles Sans. There are/were, as I remember some problems with it; the path names became very long when the whole family was installed and errors were generated. Regards Roger -- ___ n_ Roger & Jacki Foden \ ) (^o\. /^\ http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/roger.foden/ | | /_ / |___| roger.foden@argonet.co.uk / \/ \/ \_ _/ jacki.foden@argonet.co.uk __\__\___|o_____//_______ Walking or Botanising in Greece? sarpcsarpcsarpcsarpcsarpc Marengo Publications -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu May 9 01:47:02 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA165508 for opro ; Thu, 09 May 102 01:47:00 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1020896281:20:18551:54; Wed, 08 May 2002 22:18:01 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2103394; 8 May 2002 22:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g48MOWr25326 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 8 May 2002 23:24:32 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g48MOUi25323 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 23:24:30 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 175Zjo-000OJh-0W for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 08 May 2002 23:16:44 +0100 Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 18:43:02 GMT Message-Id: <165476@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: PostScript printing problem X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In general PostScript printing works. It is the case that OP treats a PS printer differently to any other type. Alas most of the really nasty stuff goes on with bitmap printers, PS ones should be less likely to go wrong. If it is going to be an OP bug then its likely to depend on the precise details of the document. ISTR that one can mix up the components of !Printers and end up with something which will go wrong. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu May 9 01:47:11 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA165512 for opro ; Thu, 09 May 102 01:47:09 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1020897973:10:17116:53; Wed, 08 May 2002 22:46:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1125806; 8 May 2002 22:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g48Mreh25440 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 8 May 2002 23:53:41 +0100 Received: from napoli.armware (zappo@67.adsl0.soeb.worldonline.dk [213.237.11.67]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g48Mrci25437 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 23:53:38 +0100 Received: from pd90073ba.dip.t-dialin.net (veni) [217.0.115.186] by napoli.armware with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 175aC0-000576-00; Thu, 09 May 2002 00:45:52 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Bellon To: Ovation Pro List Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 00:26:11 +0200 Subject: Re: PostScript printing problem Message-ID: <4b339e4347sbellon@sbellon.de> In-Reply-To: References: <4b336f9d91sbellon@sbellon.de> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04b (RISC-OS/4.29) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Anthony Hilton wrote: [snip] > What is the Next slot set to in Task Manager? Do you run any font > manager? 4 MB. FontDir Pro. Greetings, Stefan. -- Stefan Bellon * * PGP 2 and OpenPGP keys available from my home page We have commited to quickly disseminate high-quality leadership skills and collaboratively restore low-risk high-yield meta-services to meet our customers needs. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu May 9 13:15:09 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA165525 for opro ; Thu, 09 May 102 13:15:07 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1020943075:20:10906:58; Thu, 09 May 2002 11:17:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2115909; 9 May 2002 11:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g49BOSN27135 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 9 May 2002 12:24:28 +0100 Received: from host1.kbnet.co.uk (host1.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g49BOPi27132 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 12:24:26 +0100 Received: from kbnet.co.uk (host213-1-39-166.webport.bt.net [213.1.39.166]) by host1.kbnet.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g49BKpq30551 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 11:20:51 GMT Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 09:52:49 +0100 From: Mike Williams To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: PostScript printing problem Message-ID: <2ca2d7334b.akalat@akalat.kbnet.co.uk> References: <4b336f9d91sbellon@sbellon.de> <4b337a5d45C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> <4b338687edsbellon@sbellon.de> In-Reply-To: <4b338687edsbellon@sbellon.de> X-Organization: Akalat Publishing User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/3.60) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <4b338687edsbellon@sbellon.de> you wrote: >[snip] > > I've just done a few more tests: > > * printing the same file via Taborca (Demo) as PDF works > > * printing the same file as PostScript---but font Palazzo substituted > with Trinity---works as well > > So, it appears to be a problem with PostScript and the Palazzo font. At > present I'm not sure whether it's the Palazzo font itself or just any > font which isn't mapped, but included as bitmap. > I have come across several instances in the past where outputting to PostScript has failed while printing in other ways works. Usually this is the result of a poorly defined font, sometimes an incorrect file name (e.g. 'Intemetrics' truncated) or a wrong file type applied to font definition files. The problem arises, I think, when the PostScript driver attempts to convert the RISC OS font definition into a PostScript Type 3 version, and fails. Fonts are never output in bit-mapped format. Either a Type 1 or Type 3 definition is embedded in the PostScript file (embedding) or it is assumed that the PostScript device has the relevant font available (mapping). Solution, if practical and you must use a particular font, is to set text in ArtWorks (or Draw), convert to path and import into document. Mike Williams Akalat Publishing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu May 9 13:15:16 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA165527 for opro ; Thu, 09 May 102 13:15:14 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1020944831:20:26588:83; Thu, 09 May 2002 11:47:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2107703; 9 May 2002 11:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g49BrcG27317 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 9 May 2002 12:53:38 +0100 Received: from napoli.armware (zappo@67.adsl0.soeb.worldonline.dk [213.237.11.67]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g49BrXi27314 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 12:53:34 +0100 Received: from pd90073ba.dip.t-dialin.net (veni) [217.0.115.186] by napoli.armware with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 175mMb-0005lE-00; Thu, 09 May 2002 13:45:38 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Bellon To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 13:41:59 +0200 Subject: Re: PostScript printing problem Message-ID: <4b33e71f18sbellon@sbellon.de> In-Reply-To: <2ca2d7334b.akalat@akalat.kbnet.co.uk> References: <4b336f9d91sbellon@sbellon.de> <4b337a5d45C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> <4b338687edsbellon@sbellon.de> <2ca2d7334b.akalat@a User-Agent: Pluto/2.04b (RISC-OS/4.29) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Mike Williams wrote: > In message <4b338687edsbellon@sbellon.de> you wrote: > > I've just done a few more tests: [snip] > > So, it appears to be a problem with PostScript and the Palazzo > > font. At present I'm not sure whether it's the Palazzo font itself > > or just any font which isn't mapped, but included as bitmap. > > > I have come across several instances in the past where outputting to > PostScript has failed while printing in other ways works. Usually > this is the result of a poorly defined font, sometimes an incorrect > file name (e.g. 'Intemetrics' truncated) or a wrong file type applied > to font definition files. The problem arises, I think, when the > PostScript driver attempts to convert the RISC OS font definition > into a PostScript Type 3 version, and fails. I've now tested with Palazzo, AvantGarde and Bookmaker, all of which make the Risc PC crash badly. Homerton and Trinity however work just fine. So, it really looks like it has got to do with the font name mapping and the consequences thereof. Greetings, Stefan. -- Stefan Bellon * * PGP 2 and OpenPGP keys available from my home page 1/1=1.089089789701234132 : It's close enough. (Intel 1994) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu May 9 14:51:48 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA165554 for opro ; Thu, 09 May 102 14:51:47 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1020946476:20:13310:58; Thu, 09 May 2002 12:14:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2120425; 9 May 2002 12:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g49CJeG27452 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 9 May 2002 13:19:40 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g49CJci27449 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 13:19:38 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 175mls-000DIs-0W for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 09 May 2002 13:11:44 +0100 Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 02:58:50 GMT Message-Id: <165517@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Ovation Pro 2.67 - News X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro OvationPro 2.67 is now available for testing, from http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/upgrade/op267.zip Since this news has leaked out on csa, I thought I might as well tell you. That means the web site is back (www.davidpilling.net). I don't propose putting the demon version back at present. I suspect most people have used the demon site in the past since that is what the search engines listed. SparkFS 1.38 is on the web site. A few things have gone in the cause of presenting less of a target in the future. OP 2.67 is not a big deal, just a collection of bug fixes which have been done in the last year. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for oprolist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1021234847:20:26405:231; Sun, 12 May 2002 20:20:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2026804; 12 May 2002 20:20 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4CKTFi05102 for ; Sun, 12 May 2002 21:29:15 +0100 Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 176zpD-000AbZ-0C for owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 12 May 2002 20:20:12 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 21:06:51 +0100 Subject: Re: mail Message-ID: <4b35a0d9cdJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <200205111342.g4BDg6h01651@omega.barnet.ac.uk> References: <200205111342.g4BDg6h01651@omega.barnet.ac.uk> Return-Receipt-To: Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk User-Agent: Pluto/2.04b (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain I just got this rather odd email from the owner of the OP list. Is there something wrong with the list software? On 11 May, wrote: > by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id g4B9usi01071 > for ; Sat, 11 May 2002 10:56:54 +0100 > Received: (qmail 12349 invoked from network); 11 May 2002 09:46:00 -0000 > Received: from userhc215.dsl.pipex.com (HELO peterjen) (62.190.210.215) > by smtp-3.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 11 May 2002 09:46:00 -0000 > Message-ID: <003001c1f8d1$220e4b60$d7d2be3e@peterjen> > From: "Peter Jennings" > To: