From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Mar 5 16:52:06 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA162425 for opro ; Tue, 05 Mar 102 16:52:01 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1015087258:10:04447:63; Sat, 02 Mar 2002 16:40:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1004375; 2 Mar 2002 16:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g22GeIi30871 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 16:40:18 GMT Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g22GeFi30866 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 16:40:15 GMT Received: from fergusn.demon.co.uk ([158.152.240.61] helo=riscpc) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 16hCYN-000Lna-0W for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 02 Mar 2002 16:40:12 +0000 Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 16:34:38 +0000 From: John Ferguson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Have I missed anything ? Message-ID: <4B10FD11D5%john@fergusn.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <8f0a80104b.tim@southfrm.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS X-Editor: Zap 1.44 (01 Feb 2002) [TEST 9], ZapEmail 0.26 (28 Nov 2001) test-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.68a User-Agent: POPstar/2.03 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <8f0a80104b.tim@southfrm.demon.co.uk> Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: > In message <162314@pilling.demon.co.uk> > opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > > EMF - enhanced meta file has been around since Windows 95. > > But I have yet to find anything free that will display them on W95, > etc, IrfanView at http://www.irfanview.com/ does. HTH John -- John Ferguson Taunton, Somerset, England mailto:john@fergusn.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Mar 5 16:52:26 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA162431 for opro ; Tue, 05 Mar 102 16:52:22 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1015098619:10:10918:74; Sat, 02 Mar 2002 19:50:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1010881; 2 Mar 2002 19:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g22Jnc931311 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 19:49:38 GMT Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net ([212.159.14.225]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id g22JnZi31308 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 19:49:36 GMT Received: (qmail 7713 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2002 19:49:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (212.159.26.57) by murphy.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Mar 2002 19:49:22 -0000 Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 19:10:25 +0000 (GMT) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: Have I missed anything ? To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <162413@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Sat 02 Mar, David Pilling wrote: > > >Textease does. Textease file produced in Windows containing WMF graphic. > >Load into RO version and graphic can be saved as drawfile. > > Thats interesting. One can see that portability requires this such a > feature, but that it also makes life harder. > > At the moment I just don't like the results from metafiles on Windows. > Maybe I'll warm to them, maybe there's no other choice. > > Put it another way are they the format of choice for serious DTP work. Hardly, vector graphics without curves last time I looked seriously at them. For serious DTP EPS is probably the best standard (as on the Mac), though other proprietary formats (eg Corel Draw) can probably be imported by major DTP applications. It is quite a few years since I was actively engaged in DTP on windows machine. I've just remembered Oak Draw - a windows (16 bit I think) application which reads and writes Draw files and uses the RISC OS filetype AFF as the file extension (http://www.dialsolutions.com). Might the author(s) of that have any insights to help? Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Mar 5 16:53:22 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA162450 for opro ; Tue, 05 Mar 102 16:53:19 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1015162317:10:26987:62; Sun, 03 Mar 2002 13:31:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1124815; 3 Mar 2002 13:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g23DStl00724 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 13:28:55 GMT Received: from blueyonder.co.uk (pcow034o.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.53.122]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g23DSpi00720 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 13:28:52 GMT Received: from pcow034o.blueyonder.co.uk ([127.0.0.1]) by blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Sun, 3 Mar 2002 13:28:38 +0000 Received: from riscpc.dawnsun.net (unverified [62.30.150.50]) by pcow034o.blueyonder.co.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.9) with SMTP id for Message-Id: <8E3F63D5-2EAA-11D6-978B-003065F08624@dawnsun.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Wednesday, February 27, 2002, at 09:38 , David Pilling wrote: >> They are both clones of Helvetica, aren't they? Or were you >> suggesting that Arial and Homerton are, well, a little closer >> to each other than one might expect. > > My calculations show the metric widths are identical, thats not > to say the actual shapes of the characters are the same. But > some people say matching between them is poor. I have both Arial and Helvetica on my Apple iBook. The metrics don't seem quite identical to me. They don't always wrap quite the same way though they usually do. Helvetica seems identical to Homerton so far as both the metrics and the actual character shapes are concerned. Arial's a close match but not identical. I look forward to the day when you've got the Windows version out of the way. Then you can start on a Mac OS X version :-) You'd love it, it's just Unix with a nice GUI (yup, the Mac has become a hacker's delight and one of my pet theories is that the whole project is just a way of getting M$ to write for Unix without them noticing too much). -- Pete +44 7711 501 757 ==== -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Mar 5 16:53:55 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA162461 for opro ; Tue, 05 Mar 102 16:53:53 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1015166093:10:27174:64; Sun, 03 Mar 2002 14:34:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1124336; 3 Mar 2002 14:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g23EYDu00942 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 14:34:13 GMT Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g23EYBi00939 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 14:34:11 GMT Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([158.152.204.98]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 16hX3a-000Pn0-0X for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 03 Mar 2002 14:33:56 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 14:34:07 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Have I missed anything ? Message-ID: <4b1175df56john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <8E3F63D5-2EAA-11D6-978B-003065F08624@dawnsun.net> References: <162269@pilling.demon.co.uk> <8E3F63D5-2EAA-11D6-978B-003065F08624@dawnsun.net> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <8E3F63D5-2EAA-11D6-978B-003065F08624@dawnsun.net>, Peter Gaunt wrote: > I have both Arial and Helvetica on my Apple iBook. The metrics don't seem > quite identical to me. They don't always wrap quite the same way though > they usually do. Helvetica seems identical to Homerton so far as both the > metrics and the actual character shapes are concerned. Arial's a close > match but not identical. Many people consider Arial to be a poor (some would add a swear word) version of Helvetica. If you've been used to Homerton then you will be disappointed with Arial (unless, like most DTP 'professionals' you don't look at the work you produce ;-( -- John Cartmell -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Mar 5 22:04:50 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA162520 for opro ; Tue, 05 Mar 102 22:04:46 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1015363818:20:05414:116; Tue, 05 Mar 2002 21:30:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2005019; 5 Mar 2002 21:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g25LSbq07797 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 21:28:37 GMT Received: from smtp-1.attica.net.nz (pop3-1.attica.net.nz [202.180.66.199]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id g249Fxi02982 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 09:16:00 GMT Received: (qmail 63822 invoked from network); 4 Mar 2002 09:15:25 -0000 Received: from 202-180-111-99.nas3.chc.attica.net.nz (HELO robsinc.amcom.co.nz) (202.180.111.99) by pop3-1.attica.net.nz with SMTP; 4 Mar 2002 09:15:25 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Rob Sinclair To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 22:13:53 +1300 Subject: Re: Have I missed anything ? Message-ID: <4b11dc63c2rob@sherwoodsolutions.co.nz> In-Reply-To: <4b1175df56john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> References: <162269@pilling.demon.co.uk> <8E3F63D5-2EAA-11D6-978B-003065F08624@dawnsun.net> <4b1175df56john@cartmell.demon.co.u User-Agent: Pluto/2.03b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4b1175df56john@cartmell.demon.co.uk>, John Cartmell wrote: > In article <8E3F63D5-2EAA-11D6-978B-003065F08624@dawnsun.net>, > Peter Gaunt wrote: > > I have both Arial and Helvetica on my Apple iBook. The metrics don't seem > > quite identical to me. They don't always wrap quite the same way though > > they usually do. Helvetica seems identical to Homerton so far as both the > > metrics and the actual character shapes are concerned. Arial's a close > > match but not identical. > Many people consider Arial to be a poor (some would add a swear word) > version of Helvetica. If you've been used to Homerton then you will be > disappointed with Arial (unless, like most DTP 'professionals' you don't > look at the work you produce ;-( In a lot of my work, (large format printing) there is no way Helvetica (Homerton) can be used in place of Arial and vice versa. Two letters in particular are very noticeably different; t and a. I thought Arial was Microsoft's equivalent to Gils Sans - is this correct? -- Rob Sinclair Sherwood Solutions PO Box 5559, Papanui, Christchurch, New Zealand Tel +64-3-351 6603 Fax +64-3-351 5886 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Mar 5 22:04:54 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA162521 for opro ; Tue, 05 Mar 102 22:04:52 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1015363818:20:05941:58; Tue, 05 Mar 2002 21:30:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2115540; 5 Mar 2002 21:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g25LRxl07791 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 21:27:59 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g25LRui07788 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 21:27:56 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 16iMSk-000DqB-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 05 Mar 2002 21:27:10 +0000 Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 17:45:24 GMT Message-Id: <162479@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Have I missed anything ? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Hardly, vector graphics without curves last time I looked seriously at them. I think EMF supports curves, certainly EMF works for the output from Trace, whilst WMF does not. >I've just remembered Oak Draw - a windows (16 bit I think) application which >Might the author(s) of that have any insights to help? Yes many people will have trodden the path of rendering Draw files on Windows. I don't expect it to be particularly difficult - rendering the Draw curves which OP has was easy enough. >Many people consider Arial to be a poor (some would add a swear word) >version of Helvetica. Fair enough, but thats probably the shapes of the letters they're talking about, the shapes are independent of the metric widths. Not every one thinks Homerton is pretty. >I have both Arial and Helvetica on my Apple iBook. The metrics don't seem >quite identical to me. But the thing is to read of the metrics as numbers. >I look forward to the day when you've got the Windows version out of the >way. Then you can start on a Mac OS X version :-) I thought you weregoing to do that... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Mar 6 21:25:47 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA162569 for opro ; Wed, 06 Mar 102 21:25:45 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1015449422:10:17868:73; Wed, 06 Mar 2002 21:17:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1017165; 6 Mar 2002 21:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g26LGbL11219 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 21:16:37 GMT Received: from cmailg7.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg7.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.177]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g26LGYi11216 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 21:16:34 GMT Received: from williams333.freeserve.co.uk ([62.137.128.4] helo=riscpc) by cmailg7.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 16iil6-0007B6-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 06 Mar 2002 21:15:36 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Williams To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 21:16:23 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Printing quirk Message-ID: <4b1326353bDavid@williams333.freeserve.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi I sent the message below to DP and he suggested I post it here in the hope that someone may be able to shed some light on the problem. To: From: Subject: Re: Printing/OvationPro Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 17:30:00 Source: mail.David@williams333.freeserve.co.uk David I have a problem which may or may not be related to OvationPro but I would be grateful for any wisdom which you may apply. We (Derby Moor School) use OvationPro with HPLaserJet4 drivers printing over a network to a variety of B/W lasers - so far so good. We have just bought a Brother Colour Laser and because of the problem printing 8 bit sprites via postscript I thought I would edit the LJ4 driver to add colour and use PCL instead of PS. I only added colour options but there has been another effect. The top mm of any print is cropped no matter where the text/image is on the page. This is not affected by lowering the master frame top border or even placing the item lower down the page - 1 mm of the image/text is always missing. This also happens when printing with the colour driver with Ovation but not with Draw or Easiwriter. Selecting the old LJ4 driver B/W and printing on the new printer is OK with no cropping. I am confused. Any ideas Dave Williams -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Mar 8 21:54:46 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA162651 for opro ; Fri, 08 Mar 102 21:54:44 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1015603970:10:22974:69; Fri, 08 Mar 2002 16:12:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1022834; 8 Mar 2002 16:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g278lK112480 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 08:47:20 GMT Received: from delta.barnet.ac.uk (exim@delta.barnet.ac.uk [194.82.200.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g278lFi12477 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 08:47:15 GMT Received: from centipede.freedom2.net ([213.161.67.201] helo=smtp.argonet.co.uk) by delta.barnet.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 16itFF-0001Dk-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 07 Mar 2002 08:27:25 +0000 Received: from [62.188.156.166] (helo=RiscPC) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 16itJB-00060b-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 07 Mar 2002 08:31:30 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 08:09:36 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Printing quirk Message-ID: <4b13620328steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b1326353bDavid@williams333.freeserve.co.uk> References: <4b1326353bDavid@williams333.freeserve.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04a (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain X-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4b1326353bDavid@williams333.freeserve.co.uk>, Dave Williams wrote: > I only added colour options but there has been another effect. The top mm > of any print is cropped no matter where the text/image is on the page. > This is not affected by lowering the master frame top border or even > placing the item lower down the page - 1 mm of the image/text is always > missing. > This also happens when printing with the colour driver with Ovation but > not with Draw or Easiwriter. > Selecting the old LJ4 driver B/W and printing on the new printer is OK > with no cropping. I am confused Colour adds to the memory requirements in the rendering and image build in the printer. What happens if you drop the resolution of the print? -- Steve Pampling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Mar 9 14:06:24 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA162677 for opro ; Sat, 09 Mar 102 14:06:22 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1015671773:10:20243:74; Sat, 09 Mar 2002 11:02:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1020005; 9 Mar 2002 11:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g29B3GJ24663 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 11:03:16 GMT Received: from cmailg7.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg7.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.177]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g29B3Ci24660 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 11:03:13 GMT Received: from williams333.freeserve.co.uk ([62.137.128.4] helo=riscpc) by cmailg7.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 16jebc-0000ae-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 09 Mar 2002 11:01:41 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Williams To: ovationpro Date: Sat, 09 Mar 2002 11:02:19 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Printing quirk Message-ID: <4b14797f43David@williams333.freeserve.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On 07 Mar, Steven Pampling wrote: > Colour adds to the memory requirements in the rendering and image build > in the printer. What happens if you drop the resolution of the print? The printer has 32MB and I'm only printing a single word on the sheet. I will try this on Monday but I doubt if it will make a difference. On 07 Mar, bl69 wrote: > David, Don't know if its relevant or not, had a similar odd problem when > I started to use an Epsom 960 with the RiscOS stylus driver. The cause > problem was in the printer definition file not in Op. Editing the page > size and margin in this cured the problem. > From the email it looks as if you have made your adjustments in pro not > the printer-def file. ?? Have you tried this. Suggest you make a back > up copy first though, my first 3 or 4 efforts mangled the original > printer-def file somewhat. Again I'll have a look at this on Monday. The printer is so big that it is impossible to bring it home so any experiments have to be at school. Update: I've produced a temporary fix by adding a thin vertical line 2mm long at the top right corner of the default page. Thanks for the comments Dave Williams -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Mar 12 18:13:08 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA162690 for opro ; Tue, 12 Mar 102 18:13:06 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1015692625:20:01055:102; Sat, 09 Mar 2002 16:50:25 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2126962; 9 Mar 2002 16:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g29GnS825393 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 16:49:28 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g29GnQi25390 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 16:49:26 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 16jk0c-000CEQ-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 09 Mar 2002 16:47:50 +0000 Date: Sat, 09 Mar 2002 16:49:44 GMT Message-Id: <162688@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Printing quirk X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > From the email it looks as if you have made your adjustments in pro not > the printer-def file. ?? I must say my impression was that the printer driver definition file had been modified, and that brought to mind the idea that others might have a suitable colour PDF for the printer. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Mar 13 02:28:00 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA162817 for opro ; Wed, 13 Mar 102 02:27:58 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1015975867:20:29970:68; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 23:31:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2128315; 12 Mar 2002 23:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g2CNUI902327 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 23:30:18 GMT Received: from mail.chariot.net.au (mail.chariot.net.au [203.30.236.84]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2CNUEi02324 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 23:30:14 GMT Received: from localhost (ppp-227.cust203-87-119.ghr.chariot.net.au [203.87.119.227]) by mail.chariot.net.au (Postfix) with SMTP id BCA5717FE9D for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 10:02:47 +1030 (CST) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 09:54:13 +1030 From: Peter Prewett To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: PDF creation Message-ID: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.27) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I have produced a document with pictures that has a coloured border and the resulting PDF file that RiScript produces has a strange affect in the picture frames. I have used a border that comprises 2 red lines in my SW its the second one in the border list and used the default settings. The resulting PDF file in one frame the bottom border has between the 2 lines a rainbow bar affect on another frame just above the border that is the bottom of the picture is a line of purple the picture is B & W. The background to the frames are white and the pictures inserted have been scaled (using PhotoDesk) to fit the frame. Is there any known reason why this should occur? and how does one overcome it? Cheers -- Peter Prewett, Coromandel Valley, South Australia -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Mar 14 13:29:53 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA162932 for opro ; Thu, 14 Mar 102 13:29:51 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1016105443:11:29885:58; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 11:30:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1127797; 14 Mar 2002 11:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g2EBCGE06500 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 11:12:16 GMT Received: from delta.barnet.ac.uk (exim@delta.barnet.ac.uk [194.82.200.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2EBCCi06497 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 11:12:13 GMT Received: from [212.159.14.225] (helo=murphys.services.quay.plus.net) by delta.barnet.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 16lQlX-0006Ka-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 08:39:15 +0000 Received: (qmail 11535 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2002 08:40:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (212.159.21.198) by murphy.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Mar 2002 08:40:54 -0000 Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 08:28:50 +0000 (GMT) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: PDF creation To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] X-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Tue 12 Mar, Peter Prewett wrote: > I have produced a document with pictures that has a coloured border and > the resulting PDF file that RiScript produces has a strange affect in > the picture frames. > > I have used a border that comprises 2 red lines in my SW its the second > one in the border list and used the default settings. > > The resulting PDF file in one frame the bottom border has between the 2 > lines a rainbow bar affect on another frame just above the border that > is the bottom of the picture is a line of purple the picture is B & W. > > The background to the frames are white and the pictures inserted have > been scaled (using PhotoDesk) to fit the frame. > > Is there any known reason why this should occur? and how does one > overcome it? > > Cheers What are you using to view the PDF? Can you also look at it with different software (!pdf http://www.pdf.iconbar.com/ is an alternative for RISC OS), I'd recommend you look at it with at least one version of Adobe's Acrobat Reader. When I generate PDFs using Ghostscript the embedded type1 fonts do not show with !pdf (homerton is substituted) but are fine on Acrobat Reader 4 and 5 (but 3 fails). I'm suggesting that the file may be fine, but display under RISC OS less than perfect. Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Mar 14 13:29:58 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA162933 for opro ; Thu, 14 Mar 102 13:29:56 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1016106223:10:16501:74; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 11:43:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1016524; 14 Mar 2002 11:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g2EBfjD06676 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 11:41:45 GMT Received: from mailsrv.hiway.co.uk (mailsrv.hiway.co.uk [195.12.1.3]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2EBffi06673 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 11:41:41 GMT Received: from websrv.quantel.com ([195.12.20.34]) by mailsrv.hiway.co.uk (8.11.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id g2EBfdX07454 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 11:41:39 GMT Subject: Re: PDF creation To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: From: Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 11:40:55 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > When I generate PDFs using Ghostscript the embedded type1 fonts do > not show with !pdf (homerton is substituted) but are fine on Acrobat Reader 4 > and 5 (but 3 fails). Get the latest version of Acrobat 5 as well. I had problems with an early version of 5, that only displayed funny shaped boxes for each of the characters. Upgrading fixed it. Andy Ling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Mar 15 13:47:08 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA163006 for opro ; Fri, 15 Mar 102 13:47:05 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1016171455:20:27343:67; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 05:50:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2125871; 15 Mar 2002 5:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g2F5nX415181 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 05:49:33 GMT Received: from mail.chariot.net.au (mail.chariot.net.au [203.30.236.84]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2F5nOi15178 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 05:49:25 GMT Received: from localhost (ppp-100.cust203-87-119.ghr.chariot.net.au [203.87.119.100]) by mail.chariot.net.au (Postfix) with SMTP id 33AB917F49C for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 16:24:10 +1030 (CST) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 14:44:11 +1030 From: Peter Prewett To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: PDF creation Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.27) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message Anthony Hilton wrote: > In on Tue 12 Mar, Peter Prewett wrote: > > I have produced a document with pictures that has a coloured border and > > the resulting PDF file that RiScript produces has a strange affect in > > the picture frames. > > > > I have used a border that comprises 2 red lines in my SW its the second > > one in the border list and used the default settings. > > > > The resulting PDF file in one frame the bottom border has between the 2 > > lines a rainbow bar affect on another frame just above the border that > > is the bottom of the picture is a line of purple the picture is B & W. > > > > The background to the frames are white and the pictures inserted have > > been scaled (using PhotoDesk) to fit the frame. > > > > Is there any known reason why this should occur? and how does one > > overcome it? > > > > Cheers > > What are you using to view the PDF? Can you also look at it with different > software (!pdf http://www.pdf.iconbar.com/ is an alternative for RISC OS), > I'd recommend you look at it with at least one version of Adobe's Acrobat > Reader. When I generate PDFs using Ghostscript the embedded type1 fonts do > not show with !pdf (homerton is substituted) but are fine on Acrobat Reader 4 > and 5 (but 3 fails). > > I'm suggesting that the file may be fine, but display under RISC OS less than > perfect. I think my problem is with getting the frame and picture size correct, that is ensuring that the picture is scaled to 100% and then trying to fit the frame around it. I seem to get a different file every time I try to create a PDF file so I am missing something in the procedure. I am using Homerton and Trinity fonts so they should not produce a problem. I am using RiScript to create and view the PDF file. What is the best way to ensure that I get the frame/picture correct. Cheers Peter -- Peter Prewett, Coromandel Valley, South Australia -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Mar 16 13:59:09 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA163109 for opro ; Sat, 16 Mar 102 13:59:07 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1016284263:20:22194:74; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 13:11:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2022259; 16 Mar 2002 13:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g2GD99P19634 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 13:09:09 GMT Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net ([212.159.14.227]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id g2GD96i19631 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 13:09:06 GMT Received: (qmail 17657 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2002 13:08:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (212.159.25.172) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Mar 2002 13:08:29 -0000 Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 12:24:51 +0000 (GMT) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: PDF creation To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Fri 15 Mar, Peter Prewett wrote: >> > What is the best way to ensure that I get the frame/picture correct. > You want the picture at 100% size as created, you want a frame exactly the same size? May not be the best, but my way of wrking would be drop the picture into the frame, set the scale in the info palette to 100% and click the centre button. Now you'll see some X and Y offset reported. Negative values indicate your frame is cropping the picture by that amount both edges (L + R or Top + Bottom), positive values are blank area within the frame before the picture. Adjust the frame size by twice the value in the X and Y offsets and re-centre the picture should give offstes of exactly zero. Personally I'd aim for small negative offsets to force the frame to crop the picture a minimal amount - half a millimetre for example (just in case there is a margin of error in the calculations - sorry David P). Is the effect you are seeing the picture pringing in transparent area betwen the lines of the frame border? Shouldn't be because the border is drawn outside the frame, and the frame should be cropping the picture. Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Mar 19 22:08:50 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA163120 for opro ; Tue, 19 Mar 102 22:08:49 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1016304834:10:26886:56; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 18:53:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1101592; 16 Mar 2002 18:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g2GIrY520326 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 18:53:34 GMT Received: from protactinium.btinternet.com (protactinium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.176]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2GIrVi20323 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 18:53:31 GMT Received: from host213-122-32-60.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.122.32.60] helo=btinternet.com) by protactinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 16mJIZ-000653-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 18:52:59 +0000 Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 18:52:14 GMT From: Ed Donnelly To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Problems with !TransImp Message-ID: X-Organization: You must be joking User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi all I recently came across !UnHTML (1.25) by Mike Williams, and as there are a number of HTML docs I would like printed properly (as opposed to printed over the edge of the paper, a la WebsterXL, or not printed at all, a la Oregano) I thought I could use it to create an Impression document which could then be loaded into OvationPro. HTML to Imp seems to work fine, but every time I try loading the Impression document into Ovation, TransImp complains that there's not enough memory (I suspect this to be somewhat of a lie - I have 128Mb and the document is 16k). OvationPro 2.66, !TransImp 1.3 (I don't know if this is the latest version or not, but the OvationPro site is currently down for updating), OS 4.02/SA/128+2. Help? TTFN, Ed -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Mar 19 22:09:13 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA163127 for opro ; Tue, 19 Mar 102 22:09:10 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1016333237:20:23378:68; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 02:47:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2023376; 17 Mar 2002 2:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g2H2kGn21203 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 02:46:16 GMT Received: from blueyonder.co.uk (pcow057o.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.53.94]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2H2kDi21200 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 02:46:13 GMT Received: from pcow057o.blueyonder.co.uk ([127.0.0.1]) by blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Sun, 17 Mar 2002 02:45:38 +0000 Received: from riscpc.dawnsun.net (unverified [62.30.150.50]) by pcow057o.blueyonder.co.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.9) with SMTP id for Message-Id: <0A1E73C2-3951-11D6-8DFD-003065F08624@dawnsun.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Saturday, March 16, 2002, at 12:24 , Anthony Hilton wrote: > In on Fri 15 Mar, Peter Prewett wrote: >>> >> What is the best way to ensure that I get the frame/picture correct. >> > > You want the picture at 100% size as created, you want a frame exactly the > same size? > > May not be the best, but my way of wrking would be drop the picture into > the > frame, set the scale in the info palette to 100% and click the centre > button. > Now you'll see some X and Y offset reported. Negative values indicate your > frame is cropping the picture by that amount both edges (L + R or Top + > Bottom), positive values are blank area within the frame before the > picture. > Adjust the frame size by twice the value in the X and Y offsets and > re-centre > the picture should give offstes of exactly zero. Personally I'd aim for > small > negative offsets to force the frame to crop the picture a minimal amount > - > half a millimetre for example (just in case there is a margin of error in > the > calculations - sorry David P). Nice idea, Anthony and in a perfect world it'd work fine and would be the way I'd prefer to work too. However, RiScript doesn't honour the cropping. If you crop a pic in Ovation (or any other app come to that) RiScript prints the entire pic, hidden bits and all. It's a great shame and one that the authors really should make a priority to fix. -- Pete +44 7711 501 757 ==== -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Mar 19 22:09:29 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA163133 for opro ; Tue, 19 Mar 102 22:09:27 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1016341983:20:14538:55; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 05:13:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2013874; 17 Mar 2002 5:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g2H4No521439 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 04:23:50 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2H4Nji21436 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 04:23:45 GMT Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 16mSCJ-0006me-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 04:23:08 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 04:10:11 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: PDF creation Message-ID: <4b187273fbJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <0A1E73C2-3951-11D6-8DFD-003065F08624@dawnsun.net> References: <0A1E73C2-3951-11D6-8DFD-003065F08624@dawnsun.net> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04a (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <0A1E73C2-3951-11D6-8DFD-003065F08624@dawnsun.net>, Peter Gaunt wrote: > Nice idea, Anthony and in a perfect world it'd work fine and would be > the way I'd prefer to work too. However, RiScript doesn't honour the > cropping. > > If you crop a pic in Ovation (or any other app come to that) RiScript > prints the entire pic, hidden bits and all. It's a great shame and one > that the authors really should make a priority to fix. It's weird; Cerilica say it's a RO problem (a Draw problem?)... I'd have thought that since it makes RiScript useless in many cases that that meant it was their problem and that a priority would have been to develop code that circumvented it. I think they've said that there might be a fix as a spin-off from Vantage, at some point, though. But this might be chargable(?). -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Mar 19 22:09:31 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA163134 for opro ; Tue, 19 Mar 102 22:09:29 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1016489586:10:22720:84; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 22:13:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1120936; 18 Mar 2002 22:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g2IMCGU26638 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 22:12:16 GMT Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (frogger.freedom2.net [213.161.67.203] (may be forged)) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2IMCEi26635 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 22:12:14 GMT Received: from [62.188.132.118] (helo=argonet) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16n5Md-0000N7-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 22:12:23 +0000 Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 22:09:39 GMT From: Richard Watkinson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Em - Met Message-ID: <0d1e59194b.Richard@user.argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.27) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In the world of DTP (or typesetting) is there an equivalent word for Em like Met or similar? Richard __ __ __ _ __ __ __ _____________________________ |__|| |__|| |/ |_ |_||_ |_ |__| / ...Ceilidh/Barndance music |__||__ | ||__ |\ _|| ||__|__| / for all occasions. ___________________________/ blacksheep@argonet.co.uk A kitten is for life... -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Mar 19 22:09:33 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA163135 for opro ; Tue, 19 Mar 102 22:09:31 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1016496183:20:21164:57; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 00:03:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2108846; 19 Mar 2002 0:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g2J02pc26950 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 00:02:51 GMT Received: from tungsten.btinternet.com (tungsten.btinternet.com [194.73.73.81]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2J02mi26947 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 00:02:49 GMT Received: from host213-122-118-226.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.122.118.226] helo=btinternet.com) by tungsten.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 16n74W-0006ay-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 00:01:48 +0000 Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 23:52:26 GMT From: Ed Donnelly To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Problems with !TransImp Message-ID: References: <8fe81f194b.brian@br2811post.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <8fe81f194b.brian@br2811post.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: You must be joking User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Lo, in message <8fe81f194b.brian@br2811post.demon.co.uk> Brian Hammond did write: > In message you wrote: [...] > I'd load HTML files into Easiwriter and then save as a text-only file > straight into O-Pro. I frequently use the same process to deal with > MS Word files. The HTML in question also has images, and I much prefer Ovation Pro's handling of images over EasiWriter's. The time it takes to put emphasis etc back into a file saved as plain text makes it hardly worth the effort - ideally I'd like a HTML <=> DDL converter, but in the absence of that I thought UnHTML might be a short cut. TTFN, Ed -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Mar 19 22:09:49 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA163141 for opro ; Tue, 19 Mar 102 22:09:46 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1016497750:20:21545:61; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 00:29:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2021471; 19 Mar 2002 0:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g2J0TeD27130 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 00:29:40 GMT Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (frogger.freedom2.net [213.161.67.203] (may be forged)) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2J0Tci27127 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 00:29:38 GMT Received: from [62.188.146.187] (helo=argonet) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16n7VZ-0003IW-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 00:29:46 +0000 Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 00:26:54 GMT From: Richard Watkinson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Em - Met Message-ID: References: <0d1e59194b.Richard@user.argonet.co.uk> <4b196241d5marten@annerykiln.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b196241d5marten@annerykiln.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.27) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <4b196241d5marten@annerykiln.co.uk> Marten Gallagher wrote: > In article <0d1e59194b.Richard@user.argonet.co.uk>, > Richard Watkinson wrote: > > In the world of DTP (or typesetting) is there an equivalent word for Em > > like Met or similar? > > Maybe I don't understand the question - but the word you seem to be looking > for is 'em'. The width of an M - traditionally (as I suspect you know). In > what context are you seeking to employ this 'equivalent'? The Question is 'Printing measure interchangeable with an em' (3) >From the other answers it is M blank T. So MAT, MET, MIT, MOT, MUT and MYT seem most likely. I thought MET was a good bet >From todays Telegraph Crossword. Richard -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Mar 19 22:10:34 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA163148 for opro ; Tue, 19 Mar 102 22:10:31 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1016495832:10:05289:72; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 23:57:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1120720; 18 Mar 2002 23:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g2INuew26914 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 23:56:40 GMT Received: from ns1.pulse8design.com (qmailr@ns.pulse8design.com [212.67.199.122]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id g2INubi26911 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 23:56:37 GMT Received: (qmail 25709 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2002 00:49:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO RiscPC) (unknown) by unknown with SMTP; 19 Mar 2002 00:49:44 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Marten Gallagher To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 23:49:29 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Em - Met Message-ID: <4b196241d5marten@annerykiln.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <0d1e59194b.Richard@user.argonet.co.uk> References: <0d1e59194b.Richard@user.argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <0d1e59194b.Richard@user.argonet.co.uk>, Richard Watkinson wrote: > In the world of DTP (or typesetting) is there an equivalent word for Em > like Met or similar? Maybe I don't understand the question - but the word you seem to be looking for is 'em'. The width of an M - traditionally (as I suspect you know). In what context are you seeking to employ this 'equivalent'? -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Mar 19 22:10:48 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA163150 for opro ; Tue, 19 Mar 102 22:10:44 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1016365605:20:10401:61; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 11:46:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2122936; 17 Mar 2002 11:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g2HBkRN22312 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 11:46:27 GMT Received: from cmailg7.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg7.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.177]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2HBkIi22309 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 11:46:24 GMT Received: from modem-123.finasteride.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.94.251] helo=riscpc) by cmailg7.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 16mZ6X-0003a0-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 11:45:37 +0000 Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 11:27:25 GMT From: Alan Adams To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: PDF creation Message-ID: <897b9a184b.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> References: <0A1E73C2-3951-11D6-8DFD-003065F08624@dawnsun.net> <4b187273fb In-Reply-To: <4b187273fbJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10 (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <4b187273fbJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > In article <0A1E73C2-3951-11D6-8DFD-003065F08624@dawnsun.net>, > Peter Gaunt wrote: > > > Nice idea, Anthony and in a perfect world it'd work fine and would be > > the way I'd prefer to work too. However, RiScript doesn't honour the > > cropping. > > > > If you crop a pic in Ovation (or any other app come to that) RiScript > > prints the entire pic, hidden bits and all. It's a great shame and one > > that the authors really should make a priority to fix. > > It's weird; Cerilica say it's a RO problem (a Draw problem?)... I'd > have thought that since it makes RiScript useless in many cases that that > meant it was their problem and that a priority would have been to develop > code that circumvented it. > > I think they've said that there might be a fix as a spin-off from > Vantage, at some point, though. But this might be chargable(?). I talked this through with someone on the Cerilica stand last year. Basically Taborca and Riscript use the same conversion method, i.e. first create a Drae file, then produce pdf from that. Draw doesn't support clipping paths, so anything clipped is displayed in full as described. Vantage produces pdf via a more direct route, so the obvious step is to port the Vantage code into Riscript. Meanwhile, ghostscript works. As a result I didn't buy RiScript. It's called market forces - no functionality = no sale. -- Alan Adams alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Mar 19 22:10:51 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA163151 for opro ; Tue, 19 Mar 102 22:10:49 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1016406731:10:02565:64; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 23:12:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1100434; 17 Mar 2002 23:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g2HNA2g23678 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 23:10:02 GMT Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net ([212.159.14.225]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id g2HN9si23674 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 23:09:59 GMT Received: (qmail 14075 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2002 23:08:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (212.159.17.53) by murphy.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Mar 2002 23:08:58 -0000 Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 22:16:11 +0000 (GMT) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: PDF creation To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <897b9a184b.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Sun 17 Mar, Alan Adams wrote: > In message <4b187273fbJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > > In article <0A1E73C2-3951-11D6-8DFD-003065F08624@dawnsun.net>, > > Peter Gaunt wrote: > > > > > Nice idea, Anthony and in a perfect world it'd work fine and would be > > > the way I'd prefer to work too. However, RiScript doesn't honour the > > > cropping. > > > > > > If you crop a pic in Ovation (or any other app come to that) RiScript > > > prints the entire pic, hidden bits and all. It's a great shame and one > > > that the authors really should make a priority to fix. > > > > It's weird; Cerilica say it's a RO problem (a Draw problem?)... I'd > > have thought that since it makes RiScript useless in many cases that that > > meant it was their problem and that a priority would have been to develop > > code that circumvented it. > > > > I think they've said that there might be a fix as a spin-off from > > Vantage, at some point, though. But this might be chargable(?). > > I talked this through with someone on the Cerilica stand last year. > Basically Taborca and Riscript use the same conversion method, i.e. first > create a Drae file, then produce pdf from that. Draw doesn't support > clipping paths, so anything clipped is displayed in full as described. > > Vantage produces pdf via a more direct route, so the obvious step is to > port the Vantage code into Riscript. > > Meanwhile, ghostscript works. As a result I didn't buy RiScript. > > It's called market forces - no functionality = no sale. > And Colin Granville has sorted out the display in !pdf. I use Ghostscript to generate PDF files and !pdf to check them on RISC OS. Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Mar 19 22:11:02 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA163155 for opro ; Tue, 19 Mar 102 22:10:59 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1016427673:10:29518:69; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 05:01:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1028766; 18 Mar 2002 5:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g2I50rV24351 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 05:00:53 GMT Received: from mail.chariot.net.au (mail.chariot.net.au [203.30.236.84]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2I50ni24348 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 05:00:50 GMT Received: from localhost (ppp-065.cust203-87-121.ghr.chariot.net.au [203.87.121.65]) by mail.chariot.net.au (Postfix) with SMTP id 156CA17FD36 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 15:35:14 +1030 (CST) Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 17:27:38 +1030 From: Peter Prewett To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: PDF creation Message-ID: <5fc881184b.pprewett@chariot.net.au> References: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.27) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message Anthony Hilton wrote: > In on Fri 15 Mar, Peter Prewett wrote: > >> > > What is the best way to ensure that I get the frame/picture correct. > > > > You want the picture at 100% size as created, you want a frame exactly the > same size? > > May not be the best, but my way of wrking would be drop the picture into the > frame, set the scale in the info palette to 100% and click the centre button. > Now you'll see some X and Y offset reported. Negative values indicate your > frame is cropping the picture by that amount both edges (L + R or Top + > Bottom), positive values are blank area within the frame before the picture. > Adjust the frame size by twice the value in the X and Y offsets and re-centre > the picture should give offstes of exactly zero. Personally I'd aim for small > negative offsets to force the frame to crop the picture a minimal amount - > half a millimetre for example (just in case there is a margin of error in the > calculations - sorry David P). > > Is the effect you are seeing the picture pringing in transparent area betwen > the lines of the frame border? Shouldn't be because the border is drawn > outside the frame, and the frame should be cropping the picture. In one case the rainbow! colour is actually in the frame border (2 lines) but only shows if the PDF file is expanded/zoomed, (I was doing a zoom to check on location in the frame). The purple line was just above the border. Thanks for help Cheers Peter -- Peter Prewett, Coromandel Valley, South Australia -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Mar 19 22:11:18 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA163160 for opro ; Tue, 19 Mar 102 22:11:09 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1016570408:20:28921:60; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 20:40:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2115830; 19 Mar 2002 20:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g2JKdpw29930 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 20:39:51 GMT Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net ([212.159.14.227]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id g2JKdni29927 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 20:39:49 GMT Received: (qmail 8191 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2002 20:38:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (212.159.24.119) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Mar 2002 20:38:27 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 10:25:02 +0000 (GMT) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: Problems with !TransImp To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <8fe81f194b.brian@br2811post.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Mon 18 Mar, Brian Hammond wrote: > In message you wrote: > > > Hi all > > > > I recently came across !UnHTML (1.25) by Mike Williams, and as there are > > a number of HTML docs I would like printed properly (as opposed to > > printed over the edge of the paper, a la WebsterXL, or not printed at > > all, a la Oregano) I thought I could use it to create an Impression > > document which could then be loaded into OvationPro. HTML to Imp seems > > to work fine, but every time I try loading the Impression document into > > Ovation, TransImp complains that there's not enough memory (I suspect > > this to be somewhat of a lie - I have 128Mb and the document is 16k). > > OvationPro 2.66, !TransImp 1.3 (I don't know if this is the latest > > version or not, but the OvationPro site is currently down for updating), > > OS 4.02/SA/128+2. Probably means not enough memory in the Next slot or something. Try increasing it from the Task manager and re-running the import to OPro. If it then works you may think it worthwhile editing OPro's !Run file to s increase the Wimplsot size. > I'd load HTML files into Easiwriter and then save as a text-only file > straight into O-Pro. I frequently use the same process to deal with > MS Word files. But that leaves him to re-typeset without any clues about which level of heading a particular line may be. Presumably going via Impression DDF makes some usable style names so the styles can be edited appropriately in Opro. Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Mar 19 22:11:24 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA163163 for opro ; Tue, 19 Mar 102 22:11:22 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1016452825:10:24526:150; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 12:00:25 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1110729; 18 Mar 2002 11:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g2IBxIM25225 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 11:59:18 GMT Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2IBxEi25222 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 11:59:16 GMT Received: from br2811.demon.co.uk ([158.152.229.74]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 16mvmJ-000Dmc-0V for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 11:58:15 +0000 Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 11:44:47 GMT From: Brian Hammond To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Problems with !TransImp Message-ID: <8fe81f194b.brian@br2811post.demon.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: > Hi all > > I recently came across !UnHTML (1.25) by Mike Williams, and as there are > a number of HTML docs I would like printed properly (as opposed to > printed over the edge of the paper, a la WebsterXL, or not printed at > all, a la Oregano) I thought I could use it to create an Impression > document which could then be loaded into OvationPro. HTML to Imp seems > to work fine, but every time I try loading the Impression document into > Ovation, TransImp complains that there's not enough memory (I suspect > this to be somewhat of a lie - I have 128Mb and the document is 16k). > OvationPro 2.66, !TransImp 1.3 (I don't know if this is the latest > version or not, but the OvationPro site is currently down for updating), > OS 4.02/SA/128+2. > > Help? > > TTFN, > Ed I'd load HTML files into Easiwriter and then save as a text-only file straight into O-Pro. I frequently use the same process to deal with MS Word files. -- Brian Hammond <>using a StrongARMed RISCPC running OS4, in an MS-free zone, except for -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Mar 19 22:11:31 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA163168 for opro ; Tue, 19 Mar 102 22:11:29 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1016572954:20:24542:63; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 21:22:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2105539; 19 Mar 2002 21:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g2JLMZd30160 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 21:22:35 GMT Received: from tungsten.btinternet.com (tungsten.btinternet.com [194.73.73.81]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2JLMWi30157 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 21:22:32 GMT Received: from host213-122-22-205.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.122.22.205] helo=btinternet.com) by tungsten.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 16nR2W-0006zN-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 21:21:10 +0000 Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 21:12:11 GMT From: Ed Donnelly To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Problems with !TransImp Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: You must be joking User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Lo, in message Anthony Hilton did write: > > In message you wrote: [TransImp] > Probably means not enough memory in the Next slot or something. Try > increasing it from the Task manager and re-running the import to OPro. A thought. However, I just tried it (both OvationPro and the filter itself) was a Next slot of 28Mb (wouldn't go any higher) and it still gives the same error. TTFN, Ed -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Mar 19 22:11:52 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA163172 for opro ; Tue, 19 Mar 102 22:11:49 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1016525489:10:24922:59; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 08:11:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1024099; 19 Mar 2002 8:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g2J8ALJ28023 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 08:10:21 GMT Received: from blueyonder.co.uk (pcow057o.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.53.94]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2J8AIi28020 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 08:10:18 GMT Received: from pcow057o.blueyonder.co.uk ([127.0.0.1]) by blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Tue, 19 Mar 2002 08:09:13 +0000 Received: from RPC (unverified [213.48.145.189]) by pcow057o.blueyonder.co.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.9) with SMTP id for In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Perfect Page X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b User-Agent: POPstar/2.01b12 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: > The Question is 'Printing measure interchangeable with an em' (3) > > From the other answers it is M blank T. So MAT, MET, MIT, MOT, MUT and > MYT seem most likely. Mut, perhaps. (A compositor friend of mine used to use the terms "nut" and "mutton" for en and em, which is where I get the vowel sound from; however, because the whole point of the two words was to have a different number of syllables to avoid aural confusion, I'm slightly doubtful of Mut for em.) Bruce Goatly -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Mar 19 22:12:04 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA163177 for opro ; Tue, 19 Mar 102 22:12:02 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1016574853:20:03239:95; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 21:54:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2102903; 19 Mar 2002 21:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g2JLsov30287 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 21:54:50 GMT Received: from mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.112.73]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2JLsli30284 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 21:54:47 GMT Received: from [62.64.162.21] (helo=thosechurchills) by mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 16nRTn-000Fw5-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 21:49:16 +0000 Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 21:52:50 GMT From: M P Churchill To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Chemistry font? Message-ID: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.24) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Does anyone know of a "Chemistry" font which includes (at least) equation arrows, equilibrium double arrows, lower and upper case deltas and (especially) a "standard" symbol (the underground sign, as my students call it)? I know that all (except the last item) can be put into a document by changing the font for the appropriate symbol, but it would be so convenient to have one font with it all in! Failing that, how can one construct a font which has all the required symbols (assuming that they are available in another font to start with)? Malcolm -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Mar 19 22:12:13 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA163183 for opro ; Tue, 19 Mar 102 22:12:12 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1016556095:10:21052:163; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 16:41:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1105647; 19 Mar 2002 16:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g2JGeaE29388 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 16:40:36 GMT Received: from msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.148]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2JGeXi29385 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 16:40:33 GMT Received: from Caslon.english.co.uk (213-78-66-21.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.66.21]) by msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AET74044; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 16:39:17 GMT Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 16:38:17 +0000 Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 16:38:36 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Em - Met Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <65b38f194b%ovation@goatly.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: POPstar/2.02 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Bruce Goatly wrote: > In message you wrote: > > > The Question is 'Printing measure interchangeable with an em' (3) > > > > From the other answers it is M blank T. So MAT, MET, MIT, MOT, MUT and > > MYT seem most likely. > > Mut, perhaps. (A compositor friend of mine used to use the terms "nut" and > "mutton" for en and em, which is where I get the vowel sound from; however, > because the whole point of the two words was to have a different number of > syllables to avoid aural confusion, I'm slightly doubtful of Mut for em.) > Well, I haven't heard the term myself, but a quick search on the internet shows that the answer is indeed 'MUT'. For example (one of many) http://www.apa-letterpress.org/Files/TP/Handset%20Type%202.html > EM QUAD (Also called 'mollie, mutton or mut' to avoid confusion > between the terms 'em' and 'en') is the unit of spacing > material, and is always a square of the size of type to which it > belongs. An em quad of 12 pt. type is 12x12 pts., an em of 10 pt. > is 10x10 pts., etc. An em quad is usually used for paragraph > indentions of type matter set to a measure of 18 picas or less. > For longer length lines, an indention of 1.5 ems is favored. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Mar 19 22:12:36 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA163188 for opro ; Tue, 19 Mar 102 22:12:35 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1016570443:10:12775:62; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 20:40:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1011988; 19 Mar 2002 20:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g2JKe4Y29936 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 20:40:04 GMT Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net ([212.159.14.227]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id g2JKe1i29932 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 20:40:01 GMT Received: (qmail 8322 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2002 20:38:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (212.159.24.119) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Mar 2002 20:38:37 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 10:18:22 +0000 (GMT) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: Em - Met To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <0d1e59194b.Richard@user.argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Mon 18 Mar, Richard Watkinson wrote: > In the world of DTP (or typesetting) is there an equivalent word for Em > like Met or similar? Probably depends what you mean by Em. In typesetting (and DTP) Em is the width of an upper-case M at the current font size (often treated as the same as the font size), an En is half an Em representing the width of a upper-case N at current font size. Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Mar 19 23:17:09 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA163210 for opro ; Tue, 19 Mar 102 23:17:06 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1016578739:10:17792:66; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 22:58:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1017847; 19 Mar 2002 22:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g2JMxi930544 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 22:59:44 GMT Received: from mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (mta06-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.46]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2JMxfi30541 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 22:59:41 GMT Received: from gwen ([213.104.160.18]) by mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020319225828.TJJV7000.mta06-svc.ntlworld.com@gwen> for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 22:58:28 +0000 From: "Nick Kaijaks" To: Subject: RE: Chemistry font? Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 22:53:38 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <0817e0194b.pbready@ntlworld.com> Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > > Does anyone know of a "Chemistry" font which includes (at least) > > equation arrows, equilibrium double arrows, lower and upper case deltas > > and (especially) a "standard" symbol (the underground sign, as my > > students call it)? > > I found a set online via a google search for 'chemistry font' which I've > converted using the excellent !effTTT program and sent directly on to Just did the same lookup myself! Didn't get efTTT started as quickly though ;-) Looking at the font, I couldn't spot the standard symbol, but you could probably create a macro in OP to do a letter o with a strikethrough or something as a stopgap measure. > IIRC I've used David Pilling's !D2Font a long time ago to do > what is asked in the last paragraph. If memory serves me, as well as using > hand-drawn or scanned characters via !Draw, I typed the > characters into !Draw Ah, happy days using D2Font... As Pete says, FontEd will let you import a drawfile to an existing font, but it's a bit dated (not very friendly to RISC OS 4 or to Base0 encoded fonts). FontFiend (bundled with DrawWorks 3rd Millennium, from APDL, I believe these days) does it too. Cheers, Nick -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Mar 19 23:17:11 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA163211 for opro ; Tue, 19 Mar 102 23:17:08 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1016577715:20:00739:69; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 22:41:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2127342; 19 Mar 2002 22:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g2JMgW530441 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 22:42:32 GMT Received: from mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (mta07-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.47]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2JMgUi30438 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 22:42:30 GMT Received: from RiscPC ([213.107.171.43]) by mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020319224114.LRJB22101.mta07-svc.ntlworld.com@RiscPC> for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 22:41:14 +0000 Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 22:43:55 GMT From: Pete Bready To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Chemistry font? Message-ID: <0817e0194b.pbready@ntlworld.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.27) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message M P Churchill wrote: > Does anyone know of a "Chemistry" font which includes (at least) > equation arrows, equilibrium double arrows, lower and upper case deltas > and (especially) a "standard" symbol (the underground sign, as my > students call it)? > > I know that all (except the last item) can be put into a document by > changing the font for the appropriate symbol, but it would be so > convenient to have one font with it all in! > > Failing that, how can one construct a font which has all the required > symbols (assuming that they are available in another font to start > with)? > > Malcolm > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message I found a set online via a google search for 'chemistry font' which I've converted using the excellent !effTTT program and sent directly on to Malcolm, but IIRC I've used David Pilling's !D2Font a long time ago to do what is asked in the last paragraph. If memory serves me, as well as using hand-drawn or scanned characters via !Draw, I typed the characters into !Draw from other fonts, converted each to a path, and dragged this into the appropriate box in !D2Font, from which I then generated the necessary font set. Again, it's years since I used it, but didn't !FontEd or some varaint also allow you do to do something like that as well, or am I havering now? -- Pete Bready pbready@ntlworld.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Mar 20 14:48:51 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA163216 for opro ; Wed, 20 Mar 102 14:48:50 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1016579897:20:14842:60; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 23:18:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2126962; 19 Mar 2002 23:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g2JNI7r30654 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 23:18:07 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2JNI5i30651 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 23:18:05 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 16nSqZ-0008Ks-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 23:16:51 +0000 Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 23:19:20 GMT Message-Id: <163212@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Chemistry font? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >from other fonts, converted each to a path, and dragged this into the >appropriate box in !D2Font, from which I then generated the necessary font >set. Again, it's years since I used it, but didn't !FontEd or some varaint >also allow you do to do something like that as well, or am I havering now? ISTR drag and drop of a character cell in FontEd exports the character as a Draw file. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Mar 20 14:48:55 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA163217 for opro ; Wed, 20 Mar 102 14:48:52 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1016580076:10:19626:122; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 23:21:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1020534; 19 Mar 2002 23:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g2JNLR730703 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 23:21:27 GMT Received: from altrade.nijmegen.internl.net (altrade.nijmegen.internl.net [217.149.192.18]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2JNLMi30699 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 23:21:22 GMT Received: from padua by altrade.nijmegen.internl.net via 1Cust47.tnt7.rtm1.nl.uu.net [213.116.108.47] with SMTP for id AAA08709 (8.8.8/1.3); Wed, 20 Mar 2002 00:19:22 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <00e901c1cf9c$81aad970$4d01a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: References: Subject: Re: Em - Met Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 00:01:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 19 Mar, Anthony Hilton wrote: > In on Mon 18 Mar, Richard Watkinson wrote: > > In the world of DTP (or typesetting) is there an equivalent word for Em > > like Met or similar? > > Probably depends what you mean by Em. In typesetting (and DTP) Em is the > width of an upper-case M at the current font size (often treated as the same > as the font size), an En is half an Em representing the width of a upper-case > N at current font size. Another approach of "em" or "em square" is the "design size" of a font. For PostScript fonts this is a 1000x1000 grid (an em square of 1000), for TrueTypes 2048x2048 (an em square of 2048). All measurements are related to this grid. Risc OS fonts can have variabel design sizes or em squares. You can see this in the main menu in !FontEd. It depends on the font manager or font management how important the used grid/design size/ em square is for scaling. -- Mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Mar 20 14:48:55 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA163218 for opro ; Wed, 20 Mar 102 14:48:52 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1016580084:20:18439:135; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 23:21:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2102362; 19 Mar 2002 23:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g2JNLeP30719 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 23:21:40 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2JNLci30716 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 23:21:38 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 16nSu1-0008eR-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 23:20:25 +0000 Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 23:21:05 GMT Message-Id: <163214@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Problems with !TransImp X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I recently came across !UnHTML (1.25) by Mike Williams, and as there are >a number of HTML docs I would like printed properly Some thoughts. Firstly UnHTML (ISTR) exports DDF, which the OP DDF loader can load direct (thus skipping Impression and all that). You'll probably have to settype things - DDF is type 707 for OP purposes. Second, are these UnHTML Impression docs special (if so why?) or do all Imp docs come to grief through 'not enough memory'. My suspicion here is that another transloader is grabbing the Imp docs and falling over. Some of the graphics ones tend to grab anything and then explode. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Mar 20 14:48:59 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA163219 for opro ; Wed, 20 Mar 102 14:48:56 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1016580077:10:21282:58; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 23:21:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1020497; 19 Mar 2002 23:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g2JNLPT30702 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 23:21:25 GMT Received: from altrade.nijmegen.internl.net (altrade.nijmegen.internl.net [217.149.192.18]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2JNLLi30695 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 23:21:21 GMT Received: from padua by altrade.nijmegen.internl.net via 1Cust47.tnt7.rtm1.nl.uu.net [213.116.108.47] with SMTP for id AAA08706 (8.8.8/1.3); Wed, 20 Mar 2002 00:19:21 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <00e801c1cf9c$80fcbf20$4d01a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: "Ovation Pro" References: Subject: Re: Chemistry font? Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 23:52:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 19 Mar, M P Churchill wrote: > Does anyone know of a "Chemistry" font which includes (at least) > equation arrows, equilibrium double arrows, lower and upper case deltas > and (especially) a "standard" symbol (the underground sign, as my > students call it)? > > I know that all (except the last item) can be put into a document by > changing the font for the appropriate symbol, but it would be so > convenient to have one font with it all in! > > Failing that, how can one construct a font which has all the required > symbols (assuming that they are available in another font to start > with)? You can do that with !FontEd (free from Acorn). It comes with an extensive helpfile, but the interactive help is realy important. Only in a 16 colour mode, you get all the information displayed. You need the StrongArm version for a SA machine. Be aware not to save existing fonts, when !FontEd starts with a message about its unabality to save misc/kerndata! Other font editors are the commercial ones, DrFonty and FontFiend of iSV. A demo is on the OP CD rom. Lastly, a different -and in this case easy- approach is using !D2toFont of David Pilling. You can drop Drawfiles in it and turn it into a font. When you start with the "biggest" character or glyph -presumably a fake- all characters keep their original measurements, even when you extend the font later via !D2toFont. When you have a copy of !FontEd, you can drag any glyph directly from a !FontEd character window into a DrawFile. -- Mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Mar 20 14:49:00 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA163220 for opro ; Wed, 20 Mar 102 14:48:56 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1016580714:20:29875:56; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 23:31:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2118638; 19 Mar 2002 23:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g2JNW1L30915 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 23:32:01 GMT Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net ([212.159.14.227]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id g2JNVxi30912 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 23:31:59 GMT Received: (qmail 6213 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2002 23:30:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (212.159.23.113) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Mar 2002 23:30:36 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 23:10:07 +0000 (GMT) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: Problems with !TransImp To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Tue 19 Mar, Ed Donnelly wrote: > Lo, in message > Anthony Hilton did write: > > > > In message you wrote: > > [TransImp] > > > Probably means not enough memory in the Next slot or something. Try > > increasing it from the Task manager and re-running the import to OPro. > > A thought. However, I just tried it (both OvationPro and the filter > itself) was a Next slot of 28Mb (wouldn't go any higher) and it still > gives the same error. My next thought is that the import filter uses some other memory area - System heap/Stack, Module area, Font cache, System Sprites - so try with different values of these until you get one that works. Or is there something in the filter which gives the "Not enough Memory" error when it means "Too much memory" like Artworks does? Test this one by using a big RAM disc to reduce available memory below 64Mb. No - I've just played with various settings and mostly get teh same error and just once got a "Cannot convert file" error but have now lost the task manager. What file-type do you set the file to? - I haven't got a working copy of Impression so am a bit in the dark for playing with this - I tried ImpDoc. Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Mar 20 14:49:15 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA163225 for opro ; Wed, 20 Mar 102 14:49:12 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1016583582:10:09302:56; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 00:19:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1113529; 20 Mar 2002 0:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g2K0J9931151 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 00:19:09 GMT Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2K0J7i31148 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 00:19:07 GMT Received: from br2811.demon.co.uk ([158.152.229.74]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 16nTnd-000CQt-0Y for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 00:17:53 +0000 Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 00:08:10 GMT From: Brian Hammond To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Problems with !TransImp Message-ID: <73cde7194b.brian@br2811post.demon.co.uk> References: <8fe81f194b.brian@br2811post.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: > Lo, in message <8fe81f194b.brian@br2811post.demon.co.uk> > Brian Hammond did write: > > > In message you wrote: > > [...] > > > I'd load HTML files into Easiwriter and then save as a text-only file > > straight into O-Pro. I frequently use the same process to deal with > > MS Word files. > > The HTML in question also has images, and I much prefer Ovation Pro's > handling of images over EasiWriter's. The time it takes to put emphasis > etc back into a file saved as plain text makes it hardly worth the > effort - ideally I'd like a HTML <=> DDL converter, but in the absence > of that I thought UnHTML might be a short cut. > > TTFN, > Ed I agree with you over Easiwriter - I really only use it as a half-way stage. Save the images separately, convert them into sprites, and then load them into frames in the O-Pro document. -- Brian Hammond <>using a StrongARMed RISCPC running OS4, in an MS-free zone, except for -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Mar 20 18:08:45 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA163253 for opro ; Wed, 20 Mar 102 18:08:43 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1016641509:10:11874:101; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 16:25:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1101350; 20 Mar 2002 16:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g2KGLxa00616 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 16:21:59 GMT Received: from carbon.btinternet.com (carbon.btinternet.com [194.73.73.92]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2KGLui00613 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 16:21:56 GMT Received: from host213-122-145-70.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.122.145.70] helo=btinternet.com) by carbon.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 16nipC-0001lU-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 16:20:32 +0000 Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 15:52:50 GMT From: Ed Donnelly To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Problems with !TransImp Message-ID: <264a3e1a4b.eddonnelly@freeuk.com> References: <163214@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <163214@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: You must be joking User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Lo, in message <163214@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) did write: > > I recently came across !UnHTML (1.25) by Mike Williams, and as there > > are a number of HTML docs I would like printed properly > > Some thoughts. Firstly UnHTML (ISTR) exports DDF, which the OP DDF > loader can load direct (thus skipping Impression and all that). > You'll probably have to settype things - DDF is type 707 for OP > purposes. UnHTML's output is always text regardless of what setting it's on, so I was setting the file to type ImpDoc - setting the file type to DDF leads to a perfect import. > Second, are these UnHTML Impression docs special (if so why?) or do > all Imp docs come to grief through 'not enough memory'. I don't have many impression docs lying around (never had Impression - I started out with !Ovation) but the CDBurn manual converts fine. That's why I was curious as to why these documents didn't. > My suspicion here is that another transloader is grabbing the Imp docs > and falling over. Some of the graphics ones tend to grab anything > and then explode. Up to now I had all the filters loaded automatically at start up, but bearing this in mind I'll load them up as and when they're needed in the future. Thanks, all working fine now, Ed -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Mar 20 23:16:38 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA163263 for opro ; Wed, 20 Mar 102 23:16:35 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1016662918:10:05166:75; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 22:21:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1005115; 20 Mar 2002 22:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g2KMLc701435 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 22:21:38 GMT Received: from mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (mta07-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.47]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2KMLZi01432 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 22:21:35 GMT Received: from study ([62.252.189.156]) by mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020320222009.YRKS22101.mta07-svc.ntlworld.com@study> for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 22:20:09 +0000 From: "Colin McQueen" To: Subject: Fills disappearing Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 22:23:23 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <264a3e1a4b.eddonnelly@freeuk.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R We seem t be getting this problem occurring a lot recently with OP (Latest version). The fills disappear on screen although they are still there as you can delete them. The only solution seems to be to save out a DDL and reload it or to delete and reapply the fill. Is this a known bug? -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Mar 21 01:18:30 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA163273 for opro ; Thu, 21 Mar 102 01:18:27 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1016666008:10:28791:145; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 23:13:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1001877; 20 Mar 2002 23:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g2KNEIu01624 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 23:14:18 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2KNEGi01618 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 23:14:16 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 16npGD-0007zL-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 23:12:50 +0000 Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 18:40:24 GMT Message-Id: <163256@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Problems with !TransImp X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >UnHTML's output is always text regardless of what setting it's on, so I >was setting the file to type ImpDoc - setting the file type to DDF leads >to a perfect import. I assumed you were converting the output from unHTML to ImpDoc by loading it into Impression and saving an Impression document - because literal minded as I am, thats the only way I can see such a conversion. I never thought of set typing it ;-) David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Mar 21 01:18:33 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA163274 for opro ; Thu, 21 Mar 102 01:18:30 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1016666028:20:10324:73; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 23:13:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2009999; 20 Mar 2002 23:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g2KNELp01626 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 23:14:21 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2KNEHi01622 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 23:14:17 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 16npGF-0007zL-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 23:12:51 +0000 Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 18:41:45 GMT Message-Id: <163258@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: News X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, I've stopped calling my program 'ImageMaster'(apparently this is someones UK trade mark). As a result both web sites are closed and will remain so for at least a week or two. When they come back there will be the promised OP 2.67 and SparkFS 1.38. The program formerly called IM will continue under a different name. For now that is "David Pilling's Scanning Software", !DPlngScan on the desktop. The IM upgrades will go from the web site. I don't know yet how or if there will be upgrades to DPlngScan over the web in future. If you have a web site or a magazine that mentions my 'ImageMaster' it would help me if you could remove all references to it. What I want is to reduce the number of hits typing 'ImageMaster' into a search engine produces, so wiping out the name completely is the favoured option, rather than having pages that say things like "formerly called IM" since they will present just as many hits. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Mar 21 01:18:37 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA163276 for opro ; Thu, 21 Mar 102 01:18:36 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1016666234:20:14820:67; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 23:17:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2125410; 20 Mar 2002 23:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g2KNI9d01689 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 23:18:09 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2KNI7i01686 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 23:18:07 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 16npJv-0008g7-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 23:16:39 +0000 Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 23:17:38 GMT Message-Id: <163267@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Fills disappearing X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >The fills disappear on screen although they are still there as you can >delete them. News to me. Under what circumstances? >The only solution seems to be to save out a DDL and reload it or to delete >and reapply the fill. Look at the parameters of the fill, either on screen using the fill tool, or in the DDL. I was thinking that the fill could accidentally be set to some odd value - doesn't really tie up if a DDL reload fixes things. There's a lot to be made specific, what sort of fill? what sort of parameters? (clearly some parameters ranges will be suspect, shears of 90 degrees and so on). David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From john@cartmell.demon.co.uk Thu Mar 21 02:57:28 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA163284 for opro ; Thu, 21 Mar 102 02:57:26 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1016676188:10:18018:3; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 02:03:08 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.39]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1104833; 21 Mar 2002 2:02 GMT Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([158.152.204.98]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 16nruV-0008mE-0B for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 02:02:35 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: David Pilling Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 02:03:42 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: News Message-ID: <4b1a76374ajohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <163258@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <163258@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain In article <163258@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > I've stopped calling my program 'ImageMaster'(apparently this is > someones UK trade mark). Hard luck. I'd have thought your name would have predated the others in any case but when there are bigger companies around... :-( Let us know when a new name is confirmed and I'll help make sure that *that* gets due publicity. -- John Cartmell From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Mar 21 13:27:04 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA163287 for opro ; Thu, 21 Mar 102 13:27:03 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1016704256:20:03716:130; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 09:50:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2004095; 21 Mar 2002 9:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g2L9mqk02995 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 09:48:52 GMT Received: from mailsrv.hiway.co.uk (mailsrv.hiway.co.uk [195.12.1.3]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2L9mni02992 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 09:48:49 GMT Received: from websrv.quantel.com ([195.12.20.34]) by mailsrv.hiway.co.uk (8.11.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id g2L9kjX20689 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 09:47:16 GMT Subject: Re: News To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: From: Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 09:40:57 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id g2L9moi02993 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id g2L9mql02995 Status: R > I've stopped calling my program 'ImageMaster'=A0(apparently this is > someones UK trade mark). I'd have thought you could prove prior use. Your ImageMaster must have been around 10 years or so. I suppose it may not be worth the fight though. Or maybe you've come to an amicable agreement that involved the other party paying you lots of money to stop using the name :-) I hope the later Regards Andy Ling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Mar 21 22:05:26 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA163312 for opro ; Thu, 21 Mar 102 22:05:23 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1016731672:10:12975:140; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 17:27:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1013581; 21 Mar 2002 17:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g2LHRLC04288 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 17:27:21 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2LHRJi04285 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 17:27:19 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 16o6Jk-000M3L-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 17:25:36 +0000 Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 13:29:41 GMT Message-Id: <163297@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: News X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I'd have thought you could prove prior use. Your ImageMaster >must have been around 10 years or so. My experience was that I read the letter and thought "oh my use must predate that", followed seconds later after a quick glance at the documents, by the thought "you have been very stupid not to check out this name". My program appeared in late 1993, the claim is that the trademark dates from 1987. The saving grace in all this is of course that my program only runs on RISC OS, and theirs only on Windows. I hope you'll forgive me for making a link, the first company I ever knew that got into trouble over such matters, was Beebug, who in their magazine back in 1983 published a program called 'Paintbox'. 8-) David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Mar 21 22:05:33 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA163314 for opro ; Thu, 21 Mar 102 22:05:29 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1016734468:10:24474:61; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 18:14:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1128784; 21 Mar 2002 18:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g2LIFIl04458 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 18:15:18 GMT Received: from mailsrv.hiway.co.uk (mailsrv.hiway.co.uk [195.12.1.3]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2LIFGi04455 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 18:15:16 GMT Received: from websrv.quantel.com ([195.12.20.34]) by mailsrv.hiway.co.uk (8.11.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id g2LIE0X22361 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 18:14:00 GMT Subject: Re: News To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: From: Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 17:46:56 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > My program appeared in late 1993, the claim is that the trademark > dates from 1987. Looks like someone else will be receiving a letter then. The first hit Google found for "image master" is a company run by someone who was only born in 1981 > I hope you'll forgive me for making a link, the first company I ever > knew that got into trouble over such matters, was Beebug, who in > their magazine back in 1983 published a program called 'Paintbox'. Interesting. Long before I joined Quantel. Of course the Quantel Paintbox is still going strong. As for Beebug...... :-) Andy Ling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Mar 21 22:05:38 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA163315 for opro ; Thu, 21 Mar 102 22:05:35 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1016734807:10:01640:69; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 18:20:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1114016; 21 Mar 2002 18:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g2LIL2j04507 for