From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Feb 1 14:14:41 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161233 for opro ; Fri, 01 Feb 102 14:14:38 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1012531759:10:07707:62; Fri, 01 Feb 2002 02:49:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1007600; 1 Feb 2002 2:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g112nev02329 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 02:49:40 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g112ncR02326 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 02:49:38 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 16WThd-000Hsr-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 02:45:26 +0000 Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 01:54:23 GMT Message-Id: <161227@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Error from Arcfax... X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Any idea what the problem could be and why Arcfax seems interested in an >HTML file? At which point you can be sure I wish I hadn't started this. Mr. beenz@waitrose.com is certainly sharpening his fingers to write of my sloth in not fixing bugs. The 'ArcFax' stuff is a bug of mine, its because the '!server' file which is in most transloaders set off as a copy of ArcFax which I edited a bit. I didn't edit it enough obviously. The newer filters have a later version in which gives the right title when raising an error. If this worries you then you can copy a !server across. As to TransHTML, I now recall what was once pointed out to me, it creates a file $.out, something to do with debug code. Bad news, it doesn't look like TransHTML is much help. Good news, its written in Basic so it could be tweeked. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Feb 1 14:14:45 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161234 for opro ; Fri, 01 Feb 102 14:14:43 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1012558416:20:07267:182; Fri, 01 Feb 2002 10:13:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2009218; 1 Feb 2002 10:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g11AGgk03261 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 10:16:42 GMT Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (madhatter.freedom2.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g11AGeR03258 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 10:16:40 GMT Received: from [62.188.138.36] (helo=62.188.138.36) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16WajI-0003dv-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 01 Feb 2002 10:15:37 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: David Breakwell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 11:05:12 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Error from Arcfax... Message-ID: <4b01efaaeedavidb@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <161227@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <161227@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <161227@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > As to TransHTML, I now recall what was once pointed out to me, it > creates a file $.out, something to do with debug code. Bad news, it > doesn't look like TransHTML is much help. Good news, its written in > Basic so it could be tweeked. Yes = it does seem to create a file called $.out - line 30 shows this. There seem to be lots of other issues that need looking at with it. Its also worth noting that it does nothing with table commands so I suspect that even if it was working the layout of most sites would be very suspect,,, Are people wanting formatted text or formatted pages from it? David -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Author IdxPro,Newframe,WordWrks and Labeller | | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | davidb@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Feb 1 14:15:57 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161240 for opro ; Fri, 01 Feb 102 14:15:54 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1012554065:10:11487:90; Fri, 01 Feb 2002 09:01:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1012143; 1 Feb 2002 9:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g11948x03051 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 09:04:08 GMT Received: from fisher.vip.uk.com (fisher.vip.uk.com [194.176.218.14]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g11945R03048 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 09:04:05 GMT Received: from modem-203-46-60-62.vip.uk.com ([62.60.46.203] helo=localhost) by fisher.vip.uk.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 16WZXy-0005mj-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 01 Feb 2002 08:59:50 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: =?iso-8859-1?q?rod=A0a?= To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 08:58:13 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Error from Arcfax... Message-ID: <4b01e40abarod@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b01b190bfrayd@argonet.co.uk> References: <4b01b190bfrayd@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02c (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4b01b190bfrayd@argonet.co.uk>, Ray Dawson wrote: > I just tried installing the !TransHTML converter from the OP CD > but when I drag an HTML file to an OP window I get an error > message from ArcFax 'File could not be converted'. > ArcFax isn't actually running, but is in my Apps folder and gets > booted. !TransHTML is in Boot:Resources. > Any idea what the problem could be and why Arcfax seems > interested in an HTML file? This is very similar to my own query in the thread html to OvationP. I have (now) tried !TransHTML from the CD but have never got it to work even once! I, too, got the ArcFax error message once or twice but more often 'cannot convert this file'. Is there a way of getting !transHTML to work? -- /\ _ \ |==============| / / / \__\ |===================| | Rodger Davis | /_/ / / / \ | rod@argonet.co.uk | |==============| / \_/\_/ /___) |===================| -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Feb 1 21:32:09 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161260 for opro ; Fri, 01 Feb 102 21:32:05 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1012586393:10:22299:1172; Fri, 01 Feb 2002 17:59:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1020821; 1 Feb 2002 16:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g11GNR604033 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 16:23:27 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g11GNOR04030 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 16:23:24 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 16WgP0-000O8Z-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 16:19:02 +0000 Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 16:11:53 GMT Message-Id: <161256@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Error from Arcfax... X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R >There seem to be lots of other issues that need looking at with it. Its >also worth noting that it does nothing with table commands so I suspect >that even if it was working the layout of most sites would be very >suspect,,, All conversions are going to leave someone unhappy. On TransHTML... its tricky to start hacking at it when it is someone elses program. Now if Levens have departed the field, it would be worth sorting, even with limitations. Maybe there is a better version on their web site? I'm not aware how active they are with their RISC OS stuff these days. I guess HTML and Word filters are essential for the future, just how they come to be is open to debate. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Feb 2 13:59:44 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161268 for opro ; Sat, 02 Feb 102 13:59:38 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1012603250:20:12959:59; Fri, 01 Feb 2002 22:40:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2012917; 1 Feb 2002 22:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g11Mhuh04949 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 22:43:56 GMT Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (madhatter.freedom2.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g11GmSR04112 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 16:48:28 GMT Received: from [62.188.143.157] (helo=62.188.143.157) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16WgqP-00047f-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 01 Feb 2002 16:47:22 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Mr. D.M. Wells) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 16:29:16 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.33 for RISC OS 4.04 Subject: Re: OPro - suddenly a problem Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 29 Jan 2002 (17:20:14), owner-ovationpro-digest@lists.barnet.ac.uk wrote: > It was after altering FontFS I got the crash, I assumed a > corrupted FontFS partition caused this, as OPro could not > redraw the window when I changed from Homerton to a new > font and then froze the machine. > > So I stopped using FontFS and created two new !Font folders, > just in case, someone said that FDPro uses D Format for it's > partition which RO4 does not support ? > I've recently bought new Kinetic RISCPC (OS 4.04), and tried to transfer FontDirectory from my old OS 3.7 RISCPC. This caused machine to freeze: I tried many times to contact Look Systems (answerphone OK, but no further response) so am now happily running without FontFS at all. Re !Printers, I always used 1.53 on my old machine for PostScript, as 1.54 was bust. I now use 1.64a for PS without problems (so far). Denys Wells. -- [email from dwells@argonet.co.uk (Denys Wells)] -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Feb 2 13:59:50 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161271 for opro ; Sat, 02 Feb 102 13:59:48 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1012651610:20:08837:63; Sat, 02 Feb 2002 12:06:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2008960; 2 Feb 2002 12:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g12CAEN06394 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 12:10:14 GMT Received: from mail1.svr.pol.co.uk (mail1.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.18]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g12CABR06391 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 12:10:11 GMT Received: from modem-1166.beedrill.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.135.36.142] helo=jwells24.freeserve.co.uk) by mail1.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 16WyvD-0006c4-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 02 Feb 2002 12:05:38 +0000 Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2002 12:01:11 GMT From: Malcolm Wells To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OPro - suddenly a problem Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: > On Tue 29 Jan 2002 (17:20:14), owner-ovationpro-digest@lists.barnet.ac.uk > wrote: > > It was after altering FontFS I got the crash, I assumed a > > corrupted FontFS partition caused this, as OPro could not > > redraw the window when I changed from Homerton to a new > > font and then froze the machine. > > > > So I stopped using FontFS and created two new !Font folders, > > just in case, someone said that FDPro uses D Format for it's > > partition which RO4 does not support ? > > > I've recently bought new Kinetic RISCPC (OS 4.04), and tried to transfer > FontDirectory from my old OS 3.7 RISCPC. This caused machine to freeze: I tried > many times to contact Look Systems (answerphone OK, but no further response) so > am now happily running without FontFS at all. Re !Printers, I always used 1.53 > on my old machine for PostScript, as 1.54 was bust. I now use 1.64a for PS > without problems (so far). > Denys Wells. Font FS is protected to operate only on the machine it is first installed on. When I changed from A3000 to RiscPC I had to obtain a password to from Look Systems to install it onto the RiscPC and promise to remove it from the A3000. -- Malcolm Wells -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 5 18:07:13 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161284 for opro ; Tue, 05 Feb 102 18:06:57 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1012681696:10:17033:73; Sat, 02 Feb 2002 20:28:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1102045; 2 Feb 2002 20:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g12KWEX07438 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 20:32:14 GMT Received: from cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.172]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g12KWBR07435 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 20:32:11 GMT Received: from modem-2398.wolf.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.134.89.94] helo=westonontrent.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 16X6l6-0007ri-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 02 Feb 2002 20:27:36 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Barry T To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2002 20:27:11 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: html to OvationP? Message-ID: <4b02a6f419Barry@WestonOnTrent.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b01987e68rod@argonet.co.uk> References: <161193@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4b01987e68rod@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id g12KWCR07436 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4b01987e68rod@argonet.co.uk>, rod a wrote: > In article <161193@pilling.demon.co.uk>, > David Pilling wrote: > > For HTML import, look at the TransHTML filter in the > > Levens directory on the CD. > How stupid I am! I thought I had gone through ever file on the > CD. I think I was beguiled by the HTML Pro in the same > directory and never saw the TransHTML. > Having found it, I can't get it to work, though. It refuses to > load any one of 20 different HTML files I have tried. > Am I doing something wrong? I have loaded this filter to where > I keep the other filters and clicked on it before trying to > either drag an HTML file onto the OvPro icon or into an > OvPro window. Neither does anything except produce various > different error messages usually 'file cannot be converted'. You're not doing anything wrong, it is just that the Leven's software is a pile of P**! My way, which I suppose is expensive by reason of the cost of the software, is to drop HTML files into Easi/Techwriter then do a little tidy up, then print. IHTH. > I would guess I must be doing something wrong - I didn't check > all the 20 HTML files with HTML>Imp or UnHTML but I tried some > and they worked. I wonder if anyone might be able to point me > in the right direction. -- Cheerio Barry -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 5 18:07:57 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161286 for opro ; Tue, 05 Feb 102 18:07:47 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1012683042:10:26312:78; Sat, 02 Feb 2002 20:50:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1026747; 2 Feb 2002 20:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g12KsqZ07552 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 20:54:52 GMT Received: from spielberg.vip.uk.com (spielberg.vip.uk.com [194.176.218.9]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g12KsoR07549 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 20:54:50 GMT Received: from modem-83-40-60-62.vip.uk.com ([62.60.40.83] helo=localhost) by spielberg.vip.uk.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 16X771-0003OE-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 02 Feb 2002 20:50:15 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: =?iso-8859-1?q?rod=A0a?= To: OVATIONP-L Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2002 20:31:31 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: html to OvationP? Message-ID: <4b02a759d5rod@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4b016a5e9crod@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02c (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id g12Ksqa07552 In article , Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch wrote: > On Thu 31 Jan, rod=A0a wrote: > snip some > > Question betraying yet more ignorance: > No. But do you have the !StylePal applet window open? > > When I do it by these latter methods I end up with a very long > > list of styles only two or three of which are actually used > > in the document- though one does not know which, except by > > trial and error. Is there a way round this? > Select all text (SC_A). Then see which styles are not used in the > StylePal window. > Delete the non-used styles. > Of course you must have the !StylePal applet installed within the > Applets directory. Thank you. Yes, I always use the brilliant !StylePal but I had not spotted this feature before. Very useful. --=20 /\ _ \ =20 |=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D| / / / \__\ |=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D| | Rodger Davis | /_/ / / / \ | rod@argonet.co.uk | |=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D| / \_/\_/ /___) |=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D| =20 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 5 18:08:37 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161287 for opro ; Tue, 05 Feb 102 18:08:24 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1012690155:10:15574:69; Sat, 02 Feb 2002 22:49:15 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1014205; 2 Feb 2002 22:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g12MqRv07821 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 22:52:27 GMT Received: from altrade.nijmegen.internl.net (altrade.nijmegen.internl.net [217.149.192.18]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g12MqOR07818 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 22:52:24 GMT Received: from padua by altrade.nijmegen.internl.net via 1Cust108.tnt13.rtm1.nl.uu.net [213.116.120.108] with SMTP for id XAA26700 (8.8.8/1.3); Sat, 2 Feb 2002 23:47:17 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <028801c1ac3b$961808d0$4d01a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: References: <29549cff4a.tenu@uitleg.nl> <4b016a5e9crod@argonet.co.uk> Subject: Re: html to OvationP? Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 23:19:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 31 Jan, rod a wrote: > I have tried searching to see if this has been covered before > but no luck! I hope that this question is relevant to the list. > -------------------------- > > I find I often need to take an HTML page and want to print > it from OvationP. > > I can do it, of course, by saving text and then laboriously > reformatting the text and adding a few styles etc. But even > on a one page result this is tedious and I always seem to miss > something! > > The other approach is to use !HTML>Imp or !UnHTML to produce > a DDF file and then load it into OvP using a filter. This > often works but is rather clumsy. > > Is there a more direct method? When your browser support it, why not exporting as DrawFile? When it is too big (larger than A0), you can use !Vector (bundled with RO4). -- Mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 5 18:10:22 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161291 for opro ; Tue, 05 Feb 102 18:10:13 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1012720541:10:26829:186; Sun, 03 Feb 2002 07:15:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1105739; 3 Feb 2002 7:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g137CGk08752 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 07:12:16 GMT Received: from smtp02.fields.gol.com (smtp02.fields.gol.com [203.216.5.132]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g137CBR08749 for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 07:12:11 GMT Received: from 53-1-049.tky.gol.ne.jp ([203.216.66.49] helo=plattir.gol.com) by smtp02.fields.gol.com with smtp (Magnetic Fields) id 16XGkK-0000dl-00 for ; Sun, 03 Feb 2002 16:07:29 +0900 Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 16:08:26 +0000 (GMT) From: "Ian R. Platt" Subject: Double spacing after a period To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] X-Abuse-Complaints: abuse@gol.com Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Does anyone know which applet causes a double space after a period? It may not be an applet, I suppose, but after upgrading to OvPro2.66 and adding several applets at the same time, I'm a bit fed up of cancelling the extra space by hand. TIA Ian P. -- Ian Platt Risc OS4 + StrongARM = UK technology. Continuing to 'think differently':-) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 5 18:11:30 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161294 for opro ; Tue, 05 Feb 102 18:11:19 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1012744863:10:04759:67; Sun, 03 Feb 2002 14:01:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1003523; 3 Feb 2002 14:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g13E4Ue09669 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 14:04:30 GMT Received: from imailg1.svr.pol.co.uk (imailg1.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.179]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g13E4RR09665 for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 14:04:27 GMT Received: from modem-123.calcium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.19.123] helo=localhost) by imailg1.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 16XNBH-0002Ri-00; Sun, 03 Feb 2002 13:59:43 +0000 Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2002 13:03:49 +0000 From: Robin Phillips To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Cc: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Double spacing after a period Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: home X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.68 User-Agent: POPstar/2.03 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Dear colleagues, In message Pete Margetts wrote: > In on Sun 03 Feb, Ian R. Platt wrote: > > > > Does anyone know which applet causes a double space after a period? I should apologise for butting in partway through the discussion, but I feel sure that the question of double-space after a full stop (which some folk prefer and others abominate) can be fixed with the excellent Fluff Applet, if you customise the script to suit your own requirements. This is quite easy, and I think is explained in the Applet. Best wishes, Robin. -- Robin Phillips, 1, Newcastle Avenue, Beeston, Notts., NG9 1BT; Phone: +44 (0)115 922 4930 E-mail: rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 5 18:12:35 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161296 for opro ; Tue, 05 Feb 102 18:12:16 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1012775672:10:05138:141; Sun, 03 Feb 2002 22:34:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1026282; 3 Feb 2002 22:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g13MVR210729 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 22:31:27 GMT Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net ([212.159.14.225]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id g13MVOR10726 for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 22:31:24 GMT Received: (qmail 9657 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2002 22:26:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (212.159.21.222) by murphy.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Feb 2002 22:26:26 -0000 Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 21:25:19 +0000 (GMT) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: Double spacing after a period To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Sun 03 Feb, Robin Phillips wrote: > Dear colleagues, > > In message > Pete Margetts wrote: > > > In on Sun 03 Feb, Ian R. Platt wrote: > > > > > > Does anyone know which applet causes a double space after a period? > > I should apologise for butting in partway through the discussion, but I > feel sure that the question of double-space after a full stop (which some > folk prefer and others abominate) can be fixed with the excellent Fluff > Applet, if you customise the script to suit your own requirements. This is > quite easy, and I think is explained in the Applet. Seems a funny way round - there is an applet adding the extra space as you type, then you run a separate applet to undo it. In my setup it is the !THe (As You Type on the Applets menu) applet which does it - and I undo its effect when typesetting but leave it when wordprocessing. Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 5 18:17:41 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161307 for opro ; Tue, 05 Feb 102 18:17:28 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1012849852:10:29750:396; Mon, 04 Feb 2002 19:10:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1003883; 4 Feb 2002 19:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g14JCs513434 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 19:12:54 GMT Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (madhatter.freedom2.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g14JCpR13431 for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 19:12:51 GMT Received: from [62.188.138.239] (helo=62.188.138.239) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16XoVy-0007tH-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 04 Feb 2002 19:10:55 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: David Breakwell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 19:53:37 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Error from Arcfax... Message-ID: <4b03ab8d5fdavidb@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <161256@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <161256@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <161256@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > On TransHTML... its tricky to start hacking at it when it is someone > elses program. Now if Levens have departed the field, it would be worth > sorting, even with limitations. Maybe there is a better version on their > web site? I'm not aware how active they are with their RISC OS stuff > these days. The biggest issue when I last looked at file Input filters for OP was the lack of any table handling. So much HTML needs tables to look decent and without O/P doing the work you need a complete rendering engine (to calc font sizes and therefore frame sizes etc) to get any decent input. Any chance of some table code in OP, David? I will try and dust of my code and have another go (I guarantee that if I start then the code will be better than Levens attempt). I'll let the list know if I make any progress (time is tight and Palmlink/Organizer code needs writing) David -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | davidb@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 5 18:21:52 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161321 for opro ; Tue, 05 Feb 102 18:21:50 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1012677147:20:04863:82; Sat, 02 Feb 2002 19:12:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2004783; 2 Feb 2002 19:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g12JEa807211 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 19:14:36 GMT Received: from obelix.spectraweb.ch (obelix.plusnet.ch [194.158.230.8]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g12JEXR07208 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 19:14:33 GMT Received: from janvredenburchsmile.ch (abo-be-1-1-dialup-18.spectraweb.ch [194.230.116.18]) by obelix.spectraweb.ch (8.11.2/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with SMTP id g12J9mM32649 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 20:09:48 +0100 Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 19:53:23 +0100 (GMT) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: html to OvationP? To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <4b016a5e9crod@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: CIC member; Secretariaat St. Van Vredenburch X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id g12JEYR07209 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id g12JEa907211 On Thu 31 Jan, rod=A0a wrote: snip some > Question betraying yet more ignorance: No. But do you have the !StylePal applet window open? > When I do it by these latter methods I end up with a very long > list of styles only two or three of which are actually used > in the document- though one does not know which, except by > trial and error. Is there a way round this? Select all text (SC_A). Then see which styles are not used in the StylePal window. Delete the non-used styles. Of course you must have the !StylePal applet installed within the Applets directory. Greetings, JohnvV --=20 JM van Vredenburch, CH - 6006 Luzern **new email address** email: janvredenburch@smile.ch =2E -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 5 18:22:10 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161327 for opro ; Tue, 05 Feb 102 18:22:09 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1012732423:20:27751:65; Sun, 03 Feb 2002 10:33:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2027733; 3 Feb 2002 10:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g13Abr709169 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 10:37:53 GMT Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (madhatter.freedom2.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g13AbnR09166 for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 10:37:49 GMT Received: from [62.188.134.122] (helo=62.188.134.122) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16XK0L-00024r-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 03 Feb 2002 10:36:14 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mr S A O Yandell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2002 10:19:35 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Double spacing after a period Message-ID: <4b02f32971steyan@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.24) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Ian R. Platt wrote: > Does anyone know which applet causes a double space after a period? > It may not be an applet, I suppose, but after upgrading to OvPro2.66 and > adding several applets at the same time, I'm a bit fed up of cancelling > the extra space by hand. > TIA > Ian P. I think !THe can do this. Steve Y -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ steyan@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 5 18:22:13 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161328 for opro ; Tue, 05 Feb 102 18:22:12 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1012734990:20:09859:59; Sun, 03 Feb 2002 11:16:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2114339; 3 Feb 2002 11:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g13B4KI09299 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 11:04:20 GMT Received: from sand4.global.net.uk (sand4.global.net.uk [195.147.246.106]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g13B4GR09296 for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 11:04:16 GMT Received: from [195.147.210.193] (helo=margetts.globalnet.co.uk) by sand4.global.net.uk with smtp (Exim 3.03 #1) id 16XKMs-0005b4-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 03 Feb 2002 10:59:31 +0000 Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 10:57:40 +0100 (BST) From: Pete Margetts Subject: Re: Double spacing after a period To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Sun 03 Feb, Ian R. Platt wrote: > > Does anyone know which applet causes a double space after a period? > > It may not be an applet, I suppose, but after upgrading to OvPro2.66 and > adding several applets at the same time, I'm a bit fed up of cancelling > the extra space by hand. That's one of the rules in !THe from R.J.E Thompson Quoting from !THe.Help... -- puts double spaces after commas and periods where you've only put one. (Note that the extra space is only put in if the punctuation mark is not preceded by a space; so . does /not/ expand to .. BUT... In the version history, this is also seen. 1.20 Punctuation which causes double spaces to be inserted now user-configurable; sentence final and clause final punctuation can be specified separately. (Sentence final markers must be followed by a capital to trigger spacing, clause final markers do not). Choices can be saved. I suppose this could be configured off if required. My version is 1.79 compatible with >= 2.48 HTH Regards Pete -- Pete Margetts An oasis of Kiwi Kulture in the English Desert! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 5 18:23:17 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161334 for opro ; Tue, 05 Feb 102 18:23:15 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1012817460:20:12658:147; Mon, 04 Feb 2002 10:11:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2118667; 4 Feb 2002 10:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g14ADrP12133 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 10:13:53 GMT Received: from mail-r2.hw.ac.uk (mail-r.hw.ac.uk [137.195.101.212]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g14ADoR12130 for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 10:13:50 GMT Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.32.15]) by mail-r2.hw.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Xg3R-0007xI-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 04 Feb 2002 10:08:53 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 09:59:18 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Error from Arcfax... Message-ID: <4b03752434C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <161256@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <161256@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.27) Content-Type: text/plain X-Scanner: exiscan *16Xg3R-0007xI-00*Szimt8AjAuc* http://duncanthrax.net/exiscan/ Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <161256@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > On TransHTML... its tricky to start hacking at it when it is > someone elses program. Now if Levens have departed the field, it > would be worth sorting, even with limitations. Maybe there is a > better version on their web site? I'm not aware how active they are > with their RISC OS stuff these days. I actually tried their site last week, but there was no software pages at all, and the site itself was an abomination. Chris... -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) mailto: opro@chris-johnson.org.uk (at home) ovpro web site: http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ ovpro mirror: http://www.bulldog.u-net.com/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 6 13:55:03 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161362 for opro ; Wed, 06 Feb 102 13:55:01 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1012952245:10:21348:910; Tue, 05 Feb 2002 23:37:25 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1017527; 5 Feb 2002 23:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g15NThT16707 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 5 Feb 2002 23:29:43 GMT Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g13JbJR10369 for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 19:37:19 GMT Received: from croftsdt.demon.co.uk ([158.152.77.40]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16XSNK-000Mdh-0W for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 19:32:30 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: David Crofts To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2002 19:32:20 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Double spacing after a period Message-ID: <4b0325c4bcdavid@pandda.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.02e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Pete Margetts wrote: > In on Sun 03 Feb, Ian R. Platt wrote: > > Does anyone know which applet causes a double space after a period? > > > > It may not be an applet, I suppose, but after upgrading to OvPro2.66 > > and adding several applets at the same time, I'm a bit fed up of > > cancelling the extra space by hand. Ah, but is it not now practice to include only one space? ISTR an article in the late lamented Risc User to that effect - the reasoning being that in these days of proportional spacing for all(!) we do not need the extra marker that a double space provided. David Crofts -- <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< < / _\ Rev David T Crofts | | \ _____ | |_/avid / \/ \__/rofts \_____/\ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 6 13:55:07 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161364 for opro ; Wed, 06 Feb 102 13:55:04 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1012952337:10:21334:812; Tue, 05 Feb 2002 23:38:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1001671; 5 Feb 2002 23:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g15Jlbi16217 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 5 Feb 2002 19:47:37 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g15JlYR16214 for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2002 19:47:34 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 16YBTw-0005OP-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 5 Feb 2002 19:42:20 +0000 Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 19:40:35 GMT Message-Id: <161350@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Error from Arcfax... X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >tables in OP I'm waiting for Quark and Indesign to legitimise the idea 8-) Yes ideally in the future, when I move from doing the Win version to doing new stuff. The Win version could be a carrot of course - as long as your code will run on Win there's a potentially bigger audience for it. There's never any shortage of ideas for new things. Aside from tables the one I'm leaning to at the moment is direct PDF export. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 6 13:55:12 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161366 for opro ; Wed, 06 Feb 102 13:55:10 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1012964242:10:13068:286; Wed, 06 Feb 2002 02:57:22 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1128357; 6 Feb 2002 2:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g162xol17137 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 02:59:50 GMT Received: from smtp02.fields.gol.com (smtp02.fields.gol.com [203.216.5.132]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g162xkR17134 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 02:59:47 GMT Received: from 54-1-77-055.tky.gol.ne.jp ([203.216.77.55] helo=plattir.gol.com) by smtp02.fields.gol.com with smtp (Magnetic Fields) id 16YIE7-0003tF-00 for ; Wed, 06 Feb 2002 11:54:28 +0900 Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 11:18:53 +0000 (GMT) From: "Ian R. Platt" Subject: Re: Double spacing after a period To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <4b0325c4bcdavid@pandda.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] X-Abuse-Complaints: abuse@gol.com Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sun 03 Feb, David Crofts wrote: > > In article , > Pete Margetts wrote: > > In on Sun 03 Feb, Ian R. Platt wrote: > > > Does anyone know which applet causes a double space after a period? > > > > > > It may not be an applet, I suppose, but after upgrading to OvPro2.66 > > > and adding several applets at the same time, I'm a bit fed up of > > > cancelling the extra space by hand. > > Ah, but is it not now practice to include only one space? > ISTR an article in the late lamented Risc User to that effect - the > reasoning being that in these days of proportional spacing for all(!) we > do not need the extra marker that a double space provided. > > David Crofts > It is indeed, your Rev. That's why I wanted the single spaces. :-) Thanks, all sorted now: 'As-you-type' seems to be set with a default of a post-punc double space. But it's redeemable. Ian -- Ian Platt Risc OS4 + StrongARM = UK technology. Continuing to 'think differently':-) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 6 13:55:17 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161368 for opro ; Wed, 06 Feb 102 13:55:15 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1012979743:10:25229:62; Wed, 06 Feb 2002 07:15:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1025148; 6 Feb 2002 7:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g167KAW17679 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 07:20:10 GMT Received: from cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.172]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g167K1R17676 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 07:20:07 GMT Received: from modem-1643.wolf.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.134.86.107] helo=westonontrent.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 16YMHx-0007rA-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 06 Feb 2002 07:14:42 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Barry T To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 07:14:19 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Error from Arcfax... Message-ID: <4b046db59fBarry@WestonOnTrent.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <161350@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <161350@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <161350@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >tables in OP > I'm waiting for Quark and Indesign to legitimise the idea 8-) > Yes ideally in the future, when I move from doing the Win version > to doing new stuff. Do you have a proposed release date David? > The Win version could be a carrot of course - as long as your code > will run on Win there's a potentially bigger audience for it. > There's never any shortage of ideas for new things. Aside from > tables the one I'm leaning to at the moment is direct PDF export. Now that idea is to be commended. > David Pilling -- Cheerio Barry -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 6 13:55:21 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161370 for opro ; Wed, 06 Feb 102 13:55:18 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1012979849:10:27088:80; Wed, 06 Feb 2002 07:17:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1104806; 6 Feb 2002 7:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g167MCl17698 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 07:22:12 GMT Received: from cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.172]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g167MAR17695 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 07:22:10 GMT Received: from modem-1643.wolf.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.134.86.107] helo=westonontrent.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 16YMK2-00085M-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 06 Feb 2002 07:16:51 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Barry T To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 07:16:28 +0000 (GMT) Subject: RTF Output Message-ID: <4b046de805Barry@WestonOnTrent.freeserve.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I have been wondering if David Breakwell has made progress with the exporting of graphical images with his RTF export utility. -- Cheerio Barry -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 6 22:13:26 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161374 for opro ; Wed, 06 Feb 102 22:13:24 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1013003528:10:13214:95; Wed, 06 Feb 2002 13:52:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1128476; 6 Feb 2002 13:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g16DtYF18594 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 13:55:34 GMT Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (madhatter.freedom2.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g16DtWR18591 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 13:55:32 GMT Received: from [62.188.139.98] (helo=RiscPC) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16YSVc-0004Ut-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 06 Feb 2002 13:53:12 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 08:05:49 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: RTF Output Message-ID: <4b04726c7esteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b046de805Barry@WestonOnTrent.freeserve.co.uk> References: <4b046de805Barry@WestonOnTrent.freeserve.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4b046de805Barry@WestonOnTrent.freeserve.co.uk>, Barry T wrote: > I have been wondering if David Breakwell has made progress with the > exporting of graphical images with his RTF export utility. Slightly pre-occupied with another project just at the moment I think. Something for himself, but I think others will enjoy the benefits. Those not on the Organizer list might not know: Palm synch. -- Steve Pampling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From davidb@argonet.co.uk Wed Feb 6 22:13:30 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161376 for opro ; Wed, 06 Feb 102 22:13:28 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1013006691:10:04287:247; Wed, 06 Feb 2002 14:44:51 GMT Received: from madhatter.freedom2.net ([213.161.67.202]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1021293; 6 Feb 2002 14:42 GMT Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=madhatter.navaho.net) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16YTF9-00077M-00 for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 06 Feb 2002 14:40:15 +0000 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary MIME-Version: 1.0 To: opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) Subject: Re: Error from Arcfax... From: Reply-To: davidb@argonet.co.uk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: argomail Message-Id: Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 14:40:15 +0000 At Tue, 05 Feb 2002 19:40:35 GMT , opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: >>tables in OP Cool >The Win version could be a carrot of course - as long as your code >will run on Win there's a potentially bigger audience for it. True > >There's never any shortage of ideas for new things. Aside from >tables the one I'm leaning to at the moment is direct PDF export. > Could be useful From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 6 22:13:36 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161379 for opro ; Wed, 06 Feb 102 22:13:34 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1013022456:20:18204:77; Wed, 06 Feb 2002 19:07:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2118856; 6 Feb 2002 19:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g16IwId19334 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 18:58:18 GMT Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-11.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.21]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g16IwFR19331 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 18:58:15 GMT Received: from [212.238.81.99] (helo=neptune.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16YXBX-000P9O-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 06 Feb 2002 18:52:48 +0000 Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 19:19:08 +0100 From: nico ter haar To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Error from Arcfax... Message-ID: <2c93aa044b.nico@neptune.demon.nl> References: <161350@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4b046db59fBarry@WestonOnTrent.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b046db59fBarry@WestonOnTrent.freeserve.co.uk> X-Organization: neptune User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.27) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <4b046db59fBarry@WestonOnTrent.freeserve.co.uk> Barry T wrote: > In article <161350@pilling.demon.co.uk>, > David Pilling wrote: > > >tables in OP > > > There's never any shortage of ideas for new things. Aside from > > tables the one I'm leaning to at the moment is direct PDF export. > > Now that idea is to be commended. > It might be good but I think it's a waste of time, there are many pdf-generators out there for windows. Works just the same as our Taborca, I'm using Jaws which works good enough. Besides that it is system-wide instead of only for a single application. -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 6 22:13:41 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161381 for opro ; Wed, 06 Feb 102 22:13:37 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1013023162:20:01518:102; Wed, 06 Feb 2002 19:19:22 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2112269; 6 Feb 2002 19:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g16IuT119316 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 18:56:29 GMT Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g16IuMR19310 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 18:56:23 GMT Received: from talibard.demon.co.uk ([158.152.207.34]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16YX9i-000Ibc-0U for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 18:50:54 +0000 Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 18:43:47 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael Talibard Subject: Re: Double spacing after a period To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <4b0325c4bcdavid@pandda.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sun 03 Feb, David Crofts wrote: > Ah, but is it not now practice to include only one space? > ISTR an article in the late lamented Risc User to that effect - the > reasoning being that in these days of proportional spacing for all(!) we > do not need the extra marker that a double space provided. Absolutely, and those of us who have been influenced by Robin Williams (The Mac is not a Typewriter, etc) would not be seen dead using a double space - or, for that matter, underlining! -- Michael Talibard -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 6 22:13:44 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161382 for opro ; Wed, 06 Feb 102 22:13:42 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1013022444:10:21732:553; Wed, 06 Feb 2002 19:07:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1124821; 6 Feb 2002 19:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g16IuTF19317 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 18:56:29 GMT Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g16IuNR19311 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 18:56:24 GMT Received: from talibard.demon.co.uk ([158.152.207.34]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16YX9j-000Ibc-0U for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 18:50:56 +0000 Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 18:51:21 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael Talibard Subject: Re: OPro - suddenly a problem To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 01 Feb, Mr. D.M. Wells wrote: > I've recently bought new Kinetic RISCPC (OS 4.04), and tried to transfer > FontDirectory from my old OS 3.7 RISCPC. This caused machine to freeze: > I tried many times to contact Look Systems (answerphone OK, but no further > response) so am now happily running without FontFS at all. Yes, one can do that, but happily? FontFS is so good! I have had machine freezes, but have so far managed to work around them. It helps, I find, if you load FontFS early in your Boot sequence. -- Michael Talibard -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Feb 7 13:56:06 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161405 for opro ; Thu, 07 Feb 102 13:56:05 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1013045706:20:23222:68; Thu, 07 Feb 2002 01:35:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2023268; 7 Feb 2002 1:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g171cM320348 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 01:38:22 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g171cKR20345 for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 01:38:20 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 16YdQf-000O1y-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 01:32:49 +0000 Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 22:22:24 GMT Message-Id: <161387@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Error from Arcfax... X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >> Yes ideally in the future, when I move from doing the Win version >Do you have a proposed release date David? I'd hope by Midsummers day. At some stage I'll probably make the Win version available on the web for people to experiment with. >It might be good but I think it's a waste of time, there are >many pdf-generators out there for windows. Works just the same >as our Taborca, I'm using Jaws which works good enough. Thats a good point, so PDF is just an Acorn thing. Of course Taborca is defunct, and people say RiscScript can't do this and that. One piece of news is that Acorn User is being produced on Ovation Pro. >From the Feb issue. Although I should point out that they are using other Acorn software as well i.e. Vantage and not Impression. Back to TransHTML. Benjamin Levens said this... > Feel free to tinker away with TransHTML, there may be a slightly newer > version somewhere but there wouldn't be many differences. > It is written using our Levens Basic Library (v2), of which TransHTML > will be of little use without. However, I'm sure someone like yourself > would actually prefer to start from scratch on it. > If anyone else is interested, we may release our basic library with full > source for TransHTML. It is not completely documented, but very handy. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Feb 7 13:56:28 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161412 for opro ; Thu, 07 Feb 102 13:56:26 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1013084010:20:26034:111; Thu, 07 Feb 2002 12:13:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2105768; 7 Feb 2002 12:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g17C3No21561 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 12:03:23 GMT Received: from cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.171]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g17C3KR21558 for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 12:03:20 GMT Received: from modem-3804.cougar.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.134.238.220] helo=magray.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 16YnBQ-0008Ry-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 07 Feb 2002 11:57:45 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 10:25:37 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Error from Arcfax... Message-ID: <4b05030f15rayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <161387@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <161387@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <161387@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >> Yes ideally in the future, when I move from doing the Win version > >Do you have a proposed release date David? > I'd hope by Midsummers day. At some stage I'll probably make the > Win version available on the web for people to experiment with. Bundle a copy of RedSquirrel/Virtual Acorn with Ovation Pro (RISC OS version) and they can do it right now. OP installs very nicely on VA :-) Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 020 8864 7208 | the audio and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Feb 7 22:13:49 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161434 for opro ; Thu, 07 Feb 102 22:13:46 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1013112321:20:13369:124; Thu, 07 Feb 2002 20:05:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2014376; 7 Feb 2002 20:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g17Joxs23105 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 19:50:59 GMT Received: from mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (mta02-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.42]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g17Jovi23102 for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 19:50:57 GMT Received: from RiscPC ([62.255.159.29]) by mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020207195055.XOPB8848.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@RiscPC> for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 19:50:55 +0000 Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 19:53:03 GMT From: Pete Bready To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Error from Arcfax... Message-ID: <2f0237054b.pbready@ntlworld.com> References: <161422@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <161422@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.27) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <161422@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > >Bundle a copy of RedSquirrel/Virtual Acorn with Ovation Pro (RISC OS > >version) and they can do it right now. > > Thats nice to hear. > > I had considered announcing that your licence for my software only covers > operation on real Acorn computers (just for a laugh). > Nice to see someone in this mad corner of the market still has a sense of humour... let's hope it spreads: too many seem to be as edgy as hell on most of c.s.a and RISCOS associated mailing lists. -- Pete Bready pbready@ntlworld.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Feb 7 22:14:03 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161436 for opro ; Thu, 07 Feb 102 22:14:00 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1013113970:20:25635:89; Thu, 07 Feb 2002 20:32:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2106059; 7 Feb 2002 20:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g17I79022805 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 18:07:09 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g17I77i22802 for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 18:07:07 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 16Yswq-00078R-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 18:07:04 +0000 Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 14:18:33 GMT Message-Id: <161422@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Error from Arcfax... X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R >Bundle a copy of RedSquirrel/Virtual Acorn with Ovation Pro (RISC OS >version) and they can do it right now. Thats nice to hear. I had considered announcing that your licence for my software only covers operation on real Acorn computers (just for a laugh). My experience of VA was that it was horrily slow, I accept this is due to a bad choice of hardware and configuration. On other peoples figures they seem to have done an excellent job, even so I think you'll find a native version of OP runs better on Windows. I feel that VA marks the end of the line though, its relative speed is a testament to the lack of new hardware, and it may make producing such hardware impossible. I've always had a relaxed attitude to individuals using programs they own on more than one machine. In other words if you own Ovation Pro and want to use it yourself on VA or more than one Acorn I don't mind. Ah yes one other thing, its a shame VA is an A5000, I've no doubt they could emulate a later Acorn just as easily if they were allowed. Anyway memory management is not as good on an A5000 - no dynamic areas. In short OP is likely to be slower and go wrong more often on an A5000 than it does on a RISC PC (or similar). David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Feb 8 14:01:36 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161453 for opro ; Fri, 08 Feb 102 14:01:33 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1013132827:20:27400:75; Fri, 08 Feb 2002 01:47:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2110853; 8 Feb 2002 1:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g181hsX24049 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 01:43:54 GMT Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g17Iwji22924 for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 18:58:45 GMT Received: from croftsdt.demon.co.uk ([158.152.77.40]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16Ytkn-000MWa-0X for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 18:58:41 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: David Crofts To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 18:22:01 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Double spacing after a period Message-ID: <4b052eacc8david@pandda.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4b0325c4bcdavid@pandda.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Ian R. Platt wrote: > > Ah, but is it not now practice to include only one space? ISTR an > > article in the late lamented Risc User to that effect - the reasoning > > being that in these days of proportional spacing for all(!) we do not > > need the extra marker that a double space provided. > > > > David Crofts > > > It is indeed, your Rev. That's why I wanted the single spaces. :-) . . and just goes to show that it's a good idea to read newsgroups carefully! :.) David -- <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< < / _\ Rev David T Crofts | | \ _____ | |_/avid / \/ \__/rofts \_____/\ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Feb 8 14:01:56 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161461 for opro ; Fri, 08 Feb 102 14:01:54 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1013154925:20:17262:58; Fri, 08 Feb 2002 07:55:25 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2125489; 8 Feb 2002 7:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g187sVU24767 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 07:54:31 GMT Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (madhatter.freedom2.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g187sSi24764 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 07:54:29 GMT Received: from [62.188.151.130] (helo=RiscPC) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16Z5uI-0004k2-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 08 Feb 2002 07:57:19 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 19:09:16 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Error from Arcfax... Message-ID: <4b0533000dsteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b05030f15rayd@argonet.co.uk> References: <161387@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4b05030f15rayd@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4b05030f15rayd@argonet.co.uk>, Ray Dawson wrote: > In article <161387@pilling.demon.co.uk>, > David Pilling wrote: > > >> Yes ideally in the future, when I move from doing the Win version > > >Do you have a proposed release date David? > > I'd hope by Midsummers day. At some stage I'll probably make the > > Win version available on the web for people to experiment with. > Bundle a copy of RedSquirrel/Virtual Acorn with Ovation Pro (RISC OS > version) and they can do it right now. > OP installs very nicely on VA :-) Not on my NT machine at work (the 2k machine is another thing) Now OvP running "native" in Windows, Hmmm David, you don't want any "never seen RISC OS, and wouldn't know it if it bit me" testers do you? Ten "desktop support analyst" bods do you? They are likely to be super critical but if they can't break it I doubt anyone can. -- Steve Pampling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Feb 8 14:01:59 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161462 for opro ; Fri, 08 Feb 102 14:01:57 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1013156738:20:02381:62; Fri, 08 Feb 2002 08:25:38 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ad2002065; 8 Feb 2002 8:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g188P3x24841 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 08:25:03 GMT Received: from sally.dts-online.net (sally.dts-online.net [212.62.68.35]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g188Oti24837 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 08:25:00 GMT Received: from uff411.ucs.de (unknown [212.62.80.127]) by sally.dts-online.net (Postfix) with SMTP id D8226DC6B19 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 09:24:35 +0100 (CET) Received: from kaskaskia.ucs.de ([192.168.202.184]) by uff411.ucs.de; Fri, 08 Feb 2002 09:23:54 +0100 Received: from martinv by kaskaskia.ucs.de with local (RemoteNB 1.50) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; 08 Feb 2002 09:23:51 +0100 Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 09:23:46 +0100 From: Martin Vethake To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Error from Arcfax... Message-ID: <24bd7b054b.martinv@kaskaskia.ucs.de> References: <161422@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <161422@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: U C S User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (RemoteNB/1.50) (RISC-OS/3.70) X-Editor: Zap 1.44 (14 Jan 2001) [TEST 4], ZapEmail 0.25 (20 Sep 2000) test-5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <161422@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > >Bundle a copy of RedSquirrel/Virtual Acorn with Ovation Pro (RISC OS > >version) and they can do it right now. > > Thats nice to hear. > Anyone really do *that* ? Like loading OP with a complete set of applets would take ages even on the most recent hardware. > I feel that VA marks the end of the line though, its relative speed > is a testament to the lack of new hardware, and it may make producing > such hardware impossible. > If it hadn't been for a stack of old Atelier pictures I would have dumped RedSquirrel after 10min on my P3 700@1000. RedSquirrel makes for an A4000 at best - just set some sensible FontMax values and watch it paint single characters... Regards -- Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Feb 9 13:55:11 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161492 for opro ; Sat, 09 Feb 102 13:55:09 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1013219963:10:26037:74; Sat, 09 Feb 2002 01:59:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1121841; 9 Feb 2002 1:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g191uRa27100 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 01:56:27 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g191uOi27097 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 01:56:24 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 16ZMkG-000Ept-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 09 Feb 2002 01:56:04 +0000 Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 22:16:36 GMT Message-Id: <161486@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Error from Arcfax... X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Anyone really do *that* ? Like loading OP with a complete set of applets >would take ages even on the most recent hardware. My feeling is that slow loading of applets is due to a slow disc filing system. I can't honestly say how fast applets will load on Windows (because how to reproduce them is one of the big unsolved problems) but OP loads very quickly. >dumped RedSquirrel after 10min on my P3 700@1000. Slow machine, as of now you'd say the baseline was 1.5GHz. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Feb 9 13:55:12 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161493 for opro ; Sat, 09 Feb 102 13:55:09 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1013250041:20:09229:56; Sat, 09 Feb 2002 10:20:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2008803; 9 Feb 2002 10:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g19AJR928042 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 10:19:27 GMT Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g19AJPi28039 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 10:19:25 GMT Received: from tab1.demon.co.uk ([194.222.128.184]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 16ZUaz-0005XG-0X for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 09 Feb 2002 10:19:01 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mick Burrell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 10:07:10 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Error from Arcfax... Message-ID: <4b06090a8bmick@tab1.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <161486@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <161486@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R How long has this thread been about RedSquirrel? I don't have or use Arcfax and realised from the original query I couldn't help so have been dumping it unread until this morning! Is it possible to start a new thread with the correct subject line when we go off at a tangent? (Like I haven't;-)) -- Mick Burrell -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Feb 9 13:55:25 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161499 for opro ; Sat, 09 Feb 102 13:55:23 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1013258491:20:01265:75; Sat, 09 Feb 2002 12:41:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2001113; 9 Feb 2002 12:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g19CfDY28385 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 12:41:13 GMT Received: from scrabble.freeuk.net (scrabble.freeuk.net [212.126.144.6]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g19CfAi28382 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 12:41:10 GMT Received: from du-002-0150.freeuk.com ([212.126.156.150] helo=freeuk.net) by scrabble.freeuk.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16ZWo9-0004d7-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 09 Feb 2002 12:40:46 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Brock To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 12:40:44 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Mail-merge print progress indicator... Message-ID: <4b061719e5badger.set@freeuk.com> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hi When running long print-runs via mail-merge, it would be useful to me to be able to check how far the run has progressed through the total number of records. ('Record n' is shown in the Printing window. 'Out of nn' is what I need.) Is there an applet that will show this? TIA Richard -- Richard Brock -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Feb 9 16:26:30 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161519 for opro ; Sat, 09 Feb 102 16:26:27 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1013271032:10:18214:56; Sat, 09 Feb 2002 16:10:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1017542; 9 Feb 2002 16:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g19G90n28844 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 16:09:00 GMT Received: from blueyonder.co.uk (pcow058o.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.53.98]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g19G8vi28841 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 16:08:57 GMT Received: from pcow058m.blueyonder.co.uk ([127.0.0.1]) by blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Sat, 9 Feb 2002 16:08:31 +0000 Received: from goatly (unverified [213.48.251.110]) by pcow058m.blueyonder.co.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.9) with SMTP id for In-Reply-To: <24bd7b054b.martinv@kaskaskia.ucs.de> X-Organization: Perfect Page X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b User-Agent: POPstar/2.01b12 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <24bd7b054b.martinv@kaskaskia.ucs.de> you wrote: > In message <161422@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > > > > >Bundle a copy of RedSquirrel/Virtual Acorn with Ovation Pro (RISC OS > > >version) and they can do it right now. > > > > Thats nice to hear. > > > Anyone really do *that* ? Like loading OP with a complete set of applets > would take ages even on the most recent hardware. Hmm... I've just tried it on my not-top-of-the-line 1GHz PC, with identical set-ups for Ovation Pro (same applets running). The (rough) timings were: Risc PC (RO 3.7), 10 seconds Virtual Acorn, 7.5 seconds It surprised me too... Bruce Goatly -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 12 16:47:25 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161520 for opro ; Tue, 12 Feb 102 16:47:23 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1013365483:20:16308:67; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 18:24:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2015922; 10 Feb 2002 18:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g1AINxZ32695 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 18:23:59 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1AINti32687 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 18:23:55 GMT Received: from tarazen.demon.co.uk ([193.237.156.226] helo=tarazen) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 16Zyd7-000GmS-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 18:23:14 +0000 Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 17:43:17 GMT From: Jon Keates To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Loading OP on Virtual Acorn (Was: Re: Error from Arcfax...) Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Just as it comes User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 X-Editor: StrongEd 4.64 (16 Oct 01) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message Tony van der Hoff once upon a time wrote : [snip] > There are many reasons, including those, why the present situation needs > improving. However, it *is* the present situation, and IMO anarchy is not the > ideal way to help things along. You evidently hold a diffrerent opinion, to > which you are, of course, entitled. > > > I'd like to see these licensing issues sorted so that I can legitimately > > buy a copy of RO4 and run it on an emulator without being accused of > > piracy. > > > Indeed... > what's to come ? > > Sorry this is off-topic, but I really feel it's the only avenue now open > > for any market expansion for ROL, and I'm disappointed that they've taken > > such a closed-minded view of it. > > > No doubt your broad insight and business knowledge of the various factors > involved is not shared by ROSL. Which is a shame, really... > I've always thought that with the Xscale it would be a new machine, from the US, with a 32bit OS which will emulate any ROS machine a lot faster than the SA. Many well experienced ROS programers are already talking about making their software dual platform, if not doing it. never mind, just a day in a life - 4 is unlucky :-( tek care -- Jon -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 12 16:47:27 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161521 for opro ; Tue, 12 Feb 102 16:47:26 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1013273302:20:26849:56; Sat, 09 Feb 2002 16:48:22 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2126430; 9 Feb 2002 16:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g19GmNn29195 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 16:48:23 GMT Received: from scrabble.freeuk.net (scrabble.freeuk.net [212.126.144.6]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g19GmKi29192 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 16:48:20 GMT Received: from du-006-0059.freeuk.com ([212.126.147.59] helo=freeuk.net) by scrabble.freeuk.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16ZafJ-0004On-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 09 Feb 2002 16:47:54 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Brock To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 16:45:01 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Mail-merge print progress indicator... Message-ID: <4b062d7727badger.set@freeuk.com> In-Reply-To: <161514@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <161514@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <161514@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > At worst you'd load the file into Edit, control+caret down, F5, > current line. Thanks David. That gives me the info I need. Richard -- Richard Brock -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 12 16:47:29 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161522 for opro ; Tue, 12 Feb 102 16:47:27 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1013271856:10:04360:126; Sat, 09 Feb 2002 16:24:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1120609; 9 Feb 2002 16:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g19GNZn28966 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 16:23:35 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g19GNVi28962 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 16:23:31 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 16ZaHI-000JpN-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 09 Feb 2002 16:23:04 +0000 Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 14:08:14 GMT Message-Id: <161516@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Life, the Universe, Everything (was Error from Arcfax...) X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >How long has this thread been about RedSquirrel? You can go to ftp://ftp.barnet.ac.uk/pub/Acorn/mailing-lists/ovationpro/ and read the list postings constantly updated. >I don't have or use Arcfax and realised from the original query I >couldn't help so have been dumping it unread until this morning! Of course the joke is that nothing in this thread has been about ArcFax. The original posting was actually about TransHTML >Is it possible to start a new thread with the correct subject line when >we go off at a tangent? (Like I haven't;-)) Which is how we got into this, because the thread spawned from the TransHTML one. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 12 16:47:34 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161524 for opro ; Tue, 12 Feb 102 16:47:30 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1013271856:10:04588:57; Sat, 09 Feb 2002 16:24:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1004475; 9 Feb 2002 16:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g19GNWw28965 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 16:23:32 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g19GNTi28958 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 16:23:29 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 16ZaHG-000JpN-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 09 Feb 2002 16:23:03 +0000 Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 14:03:48 GMT Message-Id: <161514@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Mail-merge print progress indicator... X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >When running long print-runs via mail-merge, it would be useful to me to >be able to check how far the run has progressed through the total number >of records. ('Record n' is shown in the Printing window. 'Out of nn' is >what I need.) Is there an applet that will show this? No. To get at this number you need to scan through the whole file. So that would put me off - although in reality the usefullness probably outweighs the time. I can imagine someone may have done a stand alone utility - all you're doing is counting the lines. At worst you'd load the file into Edit, control+caret down, F5, current line. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 12 16:47:39 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161525 for opro ; Tue, 12 Feb 102 16:47:35 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1013282157:20:03358:116; Sat, 09 Feb 2002 19:15:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2106302; 9 Feb 2002 19:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g19JFnK29724 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 19:15:49 GMT Received: from cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.174]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g19JFli29721 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 19:15:47 GMT Received: from modem-45.cougar.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.134.224.45] helo=magray.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 16Zcxy-0000DA-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 09 Feb 2002 19:15:18 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 17:23:03 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Loading OP on Virtual Acorn (Was: Re: Error from Arcfax...) Message-ID: <4b0630f2c2rayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <57ae2e064b.Tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk> References: <57ae2e064b.Tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <57ae2e064b.Tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk>, Tony van der Hoff wrote: > > > Anyone really do *that* ? Like loading OP with a complete set of > > > applets would take ages even on the most recent hardware. > > > > It surprised me too... > > > Am I the only one to find this discussion somewhat distasteful? > AIUI, both emulators rely on a ripped-off copy of the RISC OS ROM. Risc > OS Ltd have repeatedly stated that they regard this use of copyright > code to be software piracy, and therefore theft. I'm sorry Tony, but your information is incorrect. Virtual Acorn is a commercial application supplied with a legal copy of RISC OS 3.11 authorised by its owners, Pace. It has absolutely nothing to do with RISCOS Ltd, who only have a licence to distribute RISC OS 4. They have absolutely no interest or control in earlier versions, which belong to Pace. You might just as well accuse Castle of supplying ripped-off copies of RISC OS 3.7 with their Risc PCs - but they are also distributed curtesy of Pace. The fact that Paul Middleton has made some nasty grumblings does not give credence to anything that he has to say about Virtual Acorn, or its legality. This subject has been thrashed to death on the c.s.a groups. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 020 8864 7208 | the audio and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 12 16:47:45 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161528 for opro ; Tue, 12 Feb 102 16:47:42 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1013274215:10:17062:59; Sat, 09 Feb 2002 17:03:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1101431; 9 Feb 2002 17:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g19H39729303 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 17:03:09 GMT Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g19H36i29300 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 17:03:06 GMT Received: from mk-net.demon.co.uk ([194.222.12.18] helo=Tonys) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 16Zatb-000MNG-0V for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 09 Feb 2002 17:02:39 +0000 Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 16:58:17 GMT From: Tony van der Hoff To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Loading OP on Virtual Acorn (Was: Re: Error from Arcfax...) Message-ID: <57ae2e064b.Tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: CCC User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.24) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 9 Feb 2002, in message , Bruce Goatly wrote: > In message <24bd7b054b.martinv@kaskaskia.ucs.de> you wrote: > > > In message <161422@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > > > > > > > >Bundle a copy of RedSquirrel/Virtual Acorn with Ovation Pro (RISC OS > > > >version) and they can do it right now. > > > > > > Thats nice to hear. > > > > > Anyone really do *that* ? Like loading OP with a complete set of applets > > would take ages even on the most recent hardware. > > It surprised me too... > Am I the only one to find this discussion somewhat distasteful? AIUI, both emulators rely on a ripped-off copy of the RISC OS ROM. Risc OS Ltd have repeatedly stated that they regard this use of copyright code to be software piracy, and therefore theft. I abhor any form of criminal action, but as a software author myself, I feel very strongly about blatant breach of copyright. I'm sure anyone else would feel the same way about their livelyhood being undermined by petty thieves. I assume that anyone openly discussing the use of pirated software, as in this thread, is blissfully ignorant of the fact that it is such; I can only suggest that if anyone intends to continue using it that they refrain from drawing attention to themselves. -- Tony van der Hoff | MailTo:tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk | MailTo:avanderhoff@iee.org Buckinghamshire, England | http:www.mk-net.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 12 16:48:00 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161532 for opro ; Tue, 12 Feb 102 16:47:57 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1013276179:10:23987:69; Sat, 09 Feb 2002 17:36:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1023249; 9 Feb 2002 17:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g19HZTx29437 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 17:35:29 GMT Received: from apollo.le.ac.uk (apollo.le.ac.uk [143.210.16.125]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g19HZRi29434 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 17:35:27 GMT Received: from happy.star.le.ac.uk ([143.210.36.58]) by apollo.le.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 16ZbOt-00068u-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 09 Feb 2002 17:34:59 +0000 Received: (qmail 28142 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2002 17:35:21 -0000 Received: from happy.star.le.ac.uk (143.210.36.58) by happy.star.le.ac.uk with SMTP; 9 Feb 2002 17:35:21 -0000 Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 17:35:21 +0000 (GMT) From: Liam Gretton To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Loading OP on Virtual Acorn (Was: Re: Error from Arcfax...) In-Reply-To: <57ae2e064b.Tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sat, 9 Feb 2002, Tony van der Hoff wrote: > Am I the only one to find this discussion somewhat distasteful? > > AIUI, both emulators rely on a ripped-off copy of the RISC OS ROM. Risc OS > Ltd have repeatedly stated that they regard this use of copyright code to be > software piracy, and therefore theft. This is a common misconception that needs to be addressed. Use of an emulator does not necessarily mean the use of pirated software. ROL's views are known, but seem to largely consist of FUD. VA have stated that they have an agreement with Pace to ship the RO 3.1 ROM set, so ROL really have no business getting involved as their licence is limited to RO4. I'm a happy user of RedSquirrel, and I'll probably buy VA soon. I can honestly say I don't have *one* item of ripped-off software for RO. True, I've dabbled with RO4 on RS which breaks the licence agreement, but it doesn't bother me, and ROL can sue away if they wish. I have a spare copy of RO4 that hasn't been installed in a machine, so I feel I'm entitled to use it how I wish. I haven't given a copy to anyone else, and it's only being used on one machine. How is that piracy? As a RO developer, I see VA in future incarnations as a godsend. My work RPC is nearly 7 years old now, and there's no equivalent RO machine available to replace it with. When the inevitable happens and it gets replaced with a Windows box, I shall be relying on RS/VA to allow me to keep developing (or at least maintaining) RO software. The alternative is to not bother at all. And it's quite obviously the best route for anyone after a laptop. The RiscStation team deserve congratulations for getting their portable into production, but I can't see how it's value for money in comparison to a fast wintel laptop running an Acorn emulator. I'd like to see these licensing issues sorted so that I can legitimately buy a copy of RO4 and run it on an emulator without being accused of piracy. Sorry this is off-topic, but I really feel it's the only avenue now open for any market expansion for ROL, and I'm disappointed that they've taken such a closed-minded view of it. -- Liam Gretton ljg@star.le.ac.uk Space Research Centre, http://www.src.le.ac.uk/ Physics and Astronomy Dept, phone +44 (0) 116 223 1039 University of Leicester, fax +44 (0) 116 252 2464 Leicester LE1 7RH, UK -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 12 16:48:12 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161534 for opro ; Tue, 12 Feb 102 16:48:09 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1013297517:10:12647:130; Sat, 09 Feb 2002 23:31:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1107881; 9 Feb 2002 23:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g19NUqU30217 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 23:30:52 GMT Received: from carbon.btinternet.com (carbon.btinternet.com [194.73.73.92]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g19NUoi30214 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 23:30:50 GMT Received: from host217-35-4-155.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.35.4.155] helo=acornrpc) by carbon.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 16Zgwl-0000Nd-00; Sat, 09 Feb 2002 23:30:19 +0000 Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 23:26:38 GMT From: Brian Howlett Message-ID: <513c52064b.Brian@Brian_Howlett.btinternet.com> X-Organization: The Terry Wogan Home for the Bewildered User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.27) POPstar/2.04-pre1 X-Computer: Acorn RiscPC SA-110 X-no-markup: yes To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk, messenger-l@neutri.nu Subject: Spell check crashes OPro & MessengerPRO X-Editor: Zap 1.44 (14 Jan 2001) [TEST 4], ZapEmail 0.25 (19 Feb 2001) test-6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I've just hit a snag, which I believe is a problem with !Words (version from the OPro CD-ROM - possibly updated from DP's web site), which spell checks for both OPro (version 2.66) and MessengerPRO (version 2.50a). I think it may be since I upgraded to Select, but I can't be sure, as I generally trust my spelling...;-) Symptoms - if I add word(s) to the UserDict during a spell check on either an email or newsgroup posting, or an OPro document, it causes the application concerned to crash completely. OPro gives the following error: 09 Feb 22:02:01 100 Title : Error from Ovation Pro 09 Feb 22:02:01 100 Task : OvationPro 09 Feb 22:02:01 100 Message : OvationPro has suffered an internal error type=3. I have found that on crashing Messenger will save the file being edited in !Scrap as it dies, however OPro doesn't. -- Brian Howlett -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 12 16:48:35 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161537 for opro ; Tue, 12 Feb 102 16:48:27 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1013341299:10:12363:58; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 11:41:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1012311; 10 Feb 2002 11:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g1ABPol31639 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 11:25:50 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1ABPli31636 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 11:25:48 GMT Received: from mk-net.demon.co.uk ([194.222.12.18] helo=Tonys) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 16Zs6Y-0002LC-0B; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 11:25:10 +0000 Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 11:15:24 GMT From: Tony van der Hoff To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Cc: paul@riscos.com Subject: Re: Loading OP on Virtual Acorn (Was: Re: Error from Arcfax...) Message-ID: References: <57ae2e064b.Tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk> <4b0630f2c2rayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b0630f2c2rayd@argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: CCC User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.24) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 9 Feb 2002, in message <4b0630f2c2rayd@argonet.co.uk>, Ray Dawson wrote: > In article <57ae2e064b.Tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk>, Tony van der Hoff > wrote: > > > > > Am I the only one to find this discussion somewhat distasteful? > > > AIUI, both emulators rely on a ripped-off copy of the RISC OS ROM. Risc > > OS Ltd have repeatedly stated that they regard this use of copyright > > code to be software piracy, and therefore theft. > > I'm sorry Tony, but your information is incorrect. Virtual Acorn is a > commercial application supplied with a legal copy of RISC OS 3.11 > authorised by its owners, Pace. > OK, I didn't know that. So are we to assume that if Virtual Acorn is licensed, then RedSquirrel must be OK as well, or are they the same thing? I'll be pleased to be proved wrong. My information is from only a single source: Paul Middleton. So, if I'm wrong, then so is he, as he is adamant that only Castle (for RO3.7) and ROSL (for RO4) have been granted licenses to distribute Risc OS, by either E-14 or Pace. So either he is mis-informed, which is unlikely, given his involvement in the system, or he is deliberately spreading untruths, (or FUD, as Liam calls it). I have to ask myself which is most likely, and I made up my own mind. I'm copying this to Paul, to allow him an opportunity to put the record straight; if he responds to me, I'll be happy to report back to the list. > It has absolutely nothing to do with RISCOS Ltd, who only have a licence > to distribute RISC OS 4. They have absolutely no interest or control in > earlier versions, which belong to Pace. > Well, I'd argue that it is of *vital* interest to ROSL, because every emulated system means one less copy of RO4 sold by them. As Liam admits, once you start emulating Risc OS 3, then crossing the boundary to emulating Risc OS 4 is but a very small step. But, of course, you're literally correct: Pace own all versions of Risc OS, and only Castle (AFAIK) hold a distribution licence for Risc OS 3. > The fact that Paul Middleton has made some nasty grumblings does not give > credence to anything that he has to say about Virtual Acorn, or its > legality. Interesting. Thank you for your insight into Paul's credibility. > This subject has been thrashed to death on the c.s.a groups. > I don't take csaa, but have had a quick Google at the thread to which I assume you're referring. The underlying opinion there seems to be based upon the concept that "I don't agree with/dont't like what is happening, so I'll choose to ignore copyright restrictions". This is also what Liam appears to be advocating. Fair enough, it is not my place to preach morality. -- Tony van der Hoff | MailTo:tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk | MailTo:avanderhoff@iee.org Buckinghamshire, England | http:www.mk-net.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 12 16:48:58 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161540 for opro ; Tue, 12 Feb 102 16:48:56 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1013345343:10:21230:124; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 12:49:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1112574; 10 Feb 2002 12:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g1ACnDm32004 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 12:49:13 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1ACnAi32001 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 12:49:10 GMT Received: from ypical.demon.co.uk ([158.152.78.65]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 16ZtPE-0007ii-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 12:48:32 +0000 Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 23:28:26 GMT From: Fred Bambrough To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Loading OP on Virtual Acorn (Was: Re: Error from Arcfax...) Message-ID: <8b6652064b.fred@ypical.demon.co.uk> References: <57ae2e064b.Tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk> <4b0630f2c2rayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b0630f2c2rayd@argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: @ypical User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <4b0630f2c2rayd@argonet.co.uk> Ray Dawson wrote: > In article <57ae2e064b.Tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk>, Tony van der Hoff > wrote: > > > > Anyone really do *that* ? Like loading OP with a complete set of > > > > applets would take ages even on the most recent hardware. > > > > > > It surprised me too... > > > > > Am I the only one to find this discussion somewhat distasteful? > > > AIUI, both emulators rely on a ripped-off copy of the RISC OS ROM. Risc > > OS Ltd have repeatedly stated that they regard this use of copyright > > code to be software piracy, and therefore theft. > > I'm sorry Tony, but your information is incorrect. Virtual Acorn is a > commercial application supplied with a legal copy of RISC OS 3.11 > authorised by its owners, Pace. > > It has absolutely nothing to do with RISCOS Ltd, who only have a licence > to distribute RISC OS 4. They have absolutely no interest or control in > earlier versions, which belong to Pace. [snip] Have any of the commentators here or on the ngs actually seen the licence agreement? Certainly much of what's said doesn't match my recall of the original announcements. Where is everyone getting their 'insider' information from? Not that I would suggest that my recall is perfect. -- Fred -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 12 16:49:11 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161542 for opro ; Tue, 12 Feb 102 16:49:09 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1013365565:10:16236:107; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 18:26:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1110976; 10 Feb 2002 18:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g1AINv932693 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 18:23:57 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1AINsi32683 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 18:23:54 GMT Received: from tarazen.demon.co.uk ([193.237.156.226] helo=tarazen) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 16Zyd6-000GmS-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 18:23:13 +0000 Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 16:47:26 GMT From: Jon Keates To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OPro - suddenly not a problem Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Just as it comes User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 X-Editor: StrongEd 4.64 (16 Oct 01) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message Michael Talibard once upon a time wrote : > On Fri 01 Feb, Mr. D.M. Wells wrote: > > > I've recently bought new Kinetic RISCPC (OS 4.04), and tried to transfer > > FontDirectory from my old OS 3.7 RISCPC. This caused machine to freeze: > > I tried many times to contact Look Systems (answerphone OK, but no further > > response) so am now happily running without FontFS at all. > > Yes, one can do that, but happily? FontFS is so good! > I have had machine freezes, but have so far managed to work around them. > It helps, I find, if you load FontFS early in your Boot sequence. > Yes it's very useful, it was the first time FontFS failed for me, but I hadn't tried to alter the partition since the RO4 upgrade, until I moved to Postscript. The problem i had with OP and printing was due to having Turbo drivers installed but not set up properly, I think, so far no problems but I'm using a basic setup at the moment to rule out any inter-application conflicts. I had installed the PS driver, which meant that when Printers was run PS became the default, and Turbo driver does not set it's self up until clicked on. Now I have the Turbo driver as default and change to PS, seems to work -) cheers -- Jon -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 12 16:49:44 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161546 for opro ; Tue, 12 Feb 102 16:49:40 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1013371478:10:19705:60; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 20:04:38 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1019454; 10 Feb 2002 20:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g1AK4mN00643 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 20:04:48 GMT Received: from artemis.le.ac.uk (artemis.le.ac.uk [143.210.16.126]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1AK4ji00640 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 20:04:46 GMT Received: from happy.star.le.ac.uk ([143.210.36.58]) by artemis.le.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 16a0Ch-0006o8-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 20:04:03 +0000 Received: (qmail 28792 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2002 20:04:25 -0000 Received: from xmm4.xra.le.ac.uk (143.210.40.54) by happy.star.le.ac.uk with SMTP; 10 Feb 2002 20:04:25 -0000 Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 20:04:04 +0000 (GMT) From: Liam Gretton Subject: Re: Loading OP on Virtual Acorn (Was: Re: Error from Arcfax...) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Space Research Centre, University of Leicester, UK X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationp