From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 1 02:32:50 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA157083 for opro ; Thu, 01 Nov 101 02:32:48 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1004579111:10:14896:60; Thu, 01 Nov 2001 01:45:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1014524; 1 Nov 2001 1:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fA11mGL07438 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 01:48:16 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from sulphur.cix.co.uk (sulphur.cix.co.uk [212.35.225.149]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9VL2aN06994 for ; Wed, 31 Oct 2001 21:02:36 GMT Received: from puffin.cix.co.uk (s27.pool.pm3-tele-2.cix.co.uk [194.153.24.27]) by sulphur.cix.co.uk (8.11.3/CIX/8.11.3) with SMTP id f9VKvt605632 for ; Wed, 31 Oct 2001 20:57:55 GMT X-Envelope-From: Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 20:54:42 +0100 (BST) From: Richard Mawhood Subject: Re: Tickets and stubs To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <200110310633.f9V6Xx805358@omega.barnet.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R The way I do numbered tickets is as follows: 1 Design a custom page in OPro such that it will multiply exactly into an A4 page (New ... in the icon bar menu; select Other from the Page menu in the dialog box). For 10 tickets to a page, in 2 columns of 5, you need height 59.4mm, width 105mm. Header & footer 0mm, all margins 12.5mm (my printer does print properly with 12mm of the bottom of the page, you can make the margins smaller if your printer goes closer to the edge). Click OK. 2 Save the blank document at this stage; people are going to ask you to do tickets again one day ... 3 Go to the master page (Page -> Edit master pages on the main menu) 4 Create the ticket and stub in the master frame, making more frames as necessary for pictures etc. Do all your designing *on the master page*. 5 Create a frame where you want the number on the ticket. Click inside it (to put the caret there), then insert the page number *using the menu* (Misc -> Insert -> Page number. 6 Copy this frame. Paste it on the ticket stub. Rotate it if you want! 7 Kill the master page window. You now have a document page with your ticket *including the same number on both the ticket and the stub*. Save the document with a different name at this stage. 8 Insert 9 more pages (so that you have 10 in all) - easiest done by clicking on the New Page button (green plus sign) on the button bar. You may have to click inside the main frame first. In fact, to make 100 tickets, it's easier to work with 20 pages at a time - for 500, maybe 50? (Someone should be able to write a script to insert this many pages at one go - or does an applet exist which already does this?) 9 Click on the Print button, and in the dialog box select Thumbnails -> Paper area (2x5) from the Format menu. You do need to have the Imposit applet loaded for this to be available. (If you have chosen a different ticket page size it will not say (2x5), but it will have worked out how many tickets it can fit into an A4 page). Click on Print. 10 When the page has gone to the printer, change the number of the *first* page in the chapter to that of the next ticket that will need to be printed (ie if you have just printed pages=tickets 1 to 10, change the number of the first page to 11). It's Page -> Modify chapter on the main menu; type in the number in the dialog box and click OK. Repeat stages 9 and 10 until you have all your tickets. Richard Mawhood -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 1 13:21:19 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA157086 for opro ; Thu, 01 Nov 101 13:21:18 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1004581831:20:19734:60; Thu, 01 Nov 2001 02:30:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2019638; 1 Nov 2001 2:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fA12YVg07576 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 02:34:31 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fA12YRN07573 for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 02:34:27 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15z7bx-0005Q2-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 02:29:41 +0000 Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 02:24:48 GMT Message-Id: <157078@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Fill applet 1.08 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, I've uploaded the latest version of the Fill applet to my web sites. As you may have read here in recent weeks, this fixes a problem with printing to Spacetech (Photodesk) printer drivers. If you're not using these drivers there is nothing to gain from upgrading. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 1 13:21:28 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA157089 for opro ; Thu, 01 Nov 101 13:21:26 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1004597477:20:20429:60; Thu, 01 Nov 2001 06:51:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2121153; 1 Nov 2001 6:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fA16sFt08027 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 06:54:15 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from dragon.actrix.co.nz (dragon.actrix.co.nz [203.96.26.131]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fA16sAN08024 for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 06:54:11 GMT Received: from zed.actrix.co.nz (ak-d13.connections.net.nz [202.154.128.13]) by dragon.actrix.co.nz (Postfix) with SMTP id CC43115C2 for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 19:49:01 +1300 (NZDT) Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 19:47:49 +0100 (BST) From: David Love Subject: Re: Tickets and stubs To: OvationPro User Group In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Wed 31 Oct, Richard Mawhood wrote: > > The way I do numbered tickets is as follows: > 8 Insert 9 more pages (so that you have 10 in all) - easiest done by > clicking on the New Page button (green plus sign) on the button bar. You > may have to click inside the main frame first. In fact, to make 100 > tickets, it's easier to work with 20 pages at a time - for 500, maybe 50? > (Someone should be able to write a script to insert this many pages at one > go - or does an applet exist which already does this?) Now, here's where I ran in to problems. Clicking on the New Page button and going into Misc -> Insert -> page only resulted in the addition of one page at a time, regardless of how many I requested. In other words, I had to carry out the procedure 9 times to get 10 pages. To do it 40 times to get 500 tickets terrifies me :-) Any ideas? BTW other than this glitch your suggestion worked flawlessly! David (a friendly but non techie geriatric) -- Always remember to pillage BEFORE you burn -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 1 13:22:16 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA157094 for opro ; Thu, 01 Nov 101 13:22:14 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1004581939:10:17254:60; Thu, 01 Nov 2001 02:32:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1129303; 1 Nov 2001 2:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fA12ag107604 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 02:36:42 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fA11m5N07425 for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 01:48:06 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15z6t6-00020X-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 01:43:20 +0000 Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 23:41:26 GMT Message-Id: <157063@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Tickets and stubs ... numbering ... X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro approved:light123 >From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 31 21:20:45 2001 Received: from sulphur.cix.co.uk (sulphur.cix.co.uk [212.35.225.149]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9VLKiN07031 for ; Wed, 31 Oct 2001 21:20:44 GMT Received: from puffin.cix.co.uk (s2.pool.pm3-tele-2.cix.co.uk [194.153.24.2]) by sulphur.cix.co.uk (8.11.3/CIX/8.11.3) with SMTP id f9VLG8623170 for ; Wed, 31 Oct 2001 21:16:08 GMT X-Envelope-From: Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 21:13:34 +0100 (BST) From: Richard Mawhood Subject: Re: Tickets and stubs To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] On Wed 31 Oct, Richard Mawhood wrote: > 8 Insert 9 more pages (so that you have 10 in all) - easiest done by > clicking on the New Page button (green plus sign) on the button bar. You > may have to click inside the main frame first. In fact, to make 100 > tickets, it's easier to work with 20 pages at a time - for 500, maybe 50? > (Someone should be able to write a script to insert this many pages at one > go - or does an applet exist which already does this?) Um - silly me! Just read the manual again Page -> Insert page on the main menu does just this. So you can insert 499 new pages, and do steps 9 & 10 just once, while your printer warms up the room ... Richard Mawhood -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 1 13:22:56 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA157099 for opro ; Thu, 01 Nov 101 13:22:51 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1004610582:10:16976:61; Thu, 01 Nov 2001 10:29:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1124919; 1 Nov 2001 10:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fA1ANw208413 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 10:23:58 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (mta06-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.46]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fA1ANpN08409 for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 10:23:51 GMT Received: from ntlworld ([62.252.177.66]) by mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20011101101742.OCCA21455.mta06-svc.ntlworld.com@ntlworld> for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 10:17:42 +0000 Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 10:14:48 GMT From: Colin McQueen To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Referenced pictures Message-ID: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.24) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hi I cannot get referencing of pictures to work. Am i right in thinking this should work a bit like web pages? If I drag a picture into the reference dialogue box it puts in the path but the picture doesn't seem to update in the OP document if I update the file. (Yes I am reloading the OP document). Also I cannot get to the reference dialogue without first dragging a picture into a frame. Is there a way of importing the picture to make it referenced immediately? (I've tried Ctrl-drag and Alt-drag) (Hmm I've since discovered that Ctrl-drag will keep the image 100% in size) I've just this seconds checked and found the file size choices for pictures. Is this why I wonder? .... OK right so I can get referencing to work if I set the file size low enough to catch the files I'm using. Hmmm but what if I want to refence a picture anyway? Is it to do with the Image cache size? I've tried quitting OP, changing what I think is the referenced file and then reloading the document into a reloaded OP but no joy? Should a referecned picture path show up in the reference dialogue if the relevant frame is selected? It does for the ones greater in filesize than the set limit in choices but anything smaller and I cannot reference it. Sorry if this has been covered. I have tried to RTFM but cannot find any reference (sic) to this problem in 10.10, it assumes it will just work AFAICT Cheers -- Colin McQueen : Using an Acorn StrongARM Risc PC Web Domain : http://www.mcqueen.uk.net/ BSc Zoology + Oceanography : PGCE : MSc in CBL/T -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 1 18:06:19 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA157114 for opro ; Thu, 01 Nov 101 18:06:18 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1004622474:10:08511:60; Thu, 01 Nov 2001 13:47:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1121311; 1 Nov 2001 13:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fA1Do5Y08769 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 13:50:05 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fA1Do2N08766 for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 13:50:02 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15zI9a-000FXr-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 13:45:06 +0000 Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 13:40:29 GMT Message-Id: <157108@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Tickets and stubs X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Now, here's where I ran in to problems. Clicking on the New Page button >and going into Misc -> Insert -> page only resulted in the addition of >one page at a time Misc->Preferences->General - auto page delete off. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 1 18:06:25 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA157117 for opro ; Thu, 01 Nov 101 18:06:24 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1004624575:10:13971:60; Thu, 01 Nov 2001 14:22:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1013440; 1 Nov 2001 14:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fA1Do8b08773 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 13:50:08 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fA1Do5N08770 for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 13:50:06 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15zI9c-000FXr-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 13:45:08 +0000 Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 13:42:33 GMT Message-Id: <157110@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Referenced pictures X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Am i right in thinking this should work a bit like web pages? A bit, but not necessarily exactly the same. >If I drag a picture into the reference dialogue box it puts in the path but >the picture doesn't seem to update in the OP document if I update the file. It is not perfect at spotting that files have been changed. Clearly if you've not made a proxy image, then it definitely will have to load the new picture from disc. >Also I cannot get to the reference dialogue without first dragging a >picture into a frame. Is there a way of importing the picture to make >it referenced immediately? (I've tried Ctrl-drag and Alt-drag) This does work, but only in the case where you have an empty (text) frame that you control+shift drag the image into. If you control+shift drag into the middle of text - what would normally emebed and image in the text flow then you don't get the referenced image window. >Should a referecned picture path show up in the reference dialogue if >the relevant frame is selected? Yes. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 1 18:06:38 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA157122 for opro ; Thu, 01 Nov 101 18:06:36 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1004633596:10:17422:67; Thu, 01 Nov 2001 16:53:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1105742; 1 Nov 2001 16:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fA1Gtuh09231 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 16:55:56 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (mta07-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.47]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fA1GtnN09227 for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 16:55:49 GMT Received: from ntlworld ([62.252.177.76]) by mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20011101165037.EASU5731.mta07-svc.ntlworld.com@ntlworld> for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 16:50:37 +0000 Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 16:32:40 GMT From: Colin McQueen To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Referenced pictures Message-ID: References: <157110@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <157110@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.24) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <157110@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > >If I drag a picture into the reference dialogue box it puts in the path but > >the picture doesn't seem to update in the OP document if I update the file. > > It is not perfect at spotting that files have been changed. Clearly > if you've not made a proxy image, then it definitely will have to load > the new picture from disc. > > >Also I cannot get to the reference dialogue without first dragging a > >picture into a frame. Is there a way of importing the picture to make > >it referenced immediately? (I've tried Ctrl-drag and Alt-drag) > > This does work, but only in the case where you have an empty (text) frame > that you control+shift drag the image into. If you control+shift drag > into the middle of text - what would normally emebed and image in the > text flow then you don't get the referenced image window. OK I can get this working now using Ctrl-Shift-drag (Why didn't I try that?). I still can't get it working by simply using the "Picture reference" dialogue box though. Its odd to have a dialogue box ("Picture import") that you cannot get except via that Ctrl-Shift-drag operation. Ta David. -- Colin McQueen : Using an Acorn StrongARM Risc PC Web Domain : http://www.mcqueen.uk.net/ BSc Zoology + Oceanography : PGCE : MSc in CBL/T -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 1 18:06:40 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA157123 for opro ; Thu, 01 Nov 101 18:06:39 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1004634127:10:02294:63; Thu, 01 Nov 2001 17:02:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1001342; 1 Nov 2001 17:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fA1GngX09212 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 16:49:42 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (mta07-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.47]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fA1GnZN09209 for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 16:49:35 GMT Received: from Ralph ([62.255.8.104]) by mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20011101164441.DWYD5731.mta07-svc.ntlworld.com@Ralph> for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 16:44:41 +0000 Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 16:38:42 GMT From: Ian Lowry To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Tickets and stubs Message-ID: <584badd24a.Ian@ian.k.lowry.ntlworld.com> References: <157108@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <157108@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Matchstick User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.24) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <157108@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > >Now, here's where I ran in to problems. Clicking on the New Page button > >and going into Misc -> Insert -> page only resulted in the addition of > >one page at a time > > Misc->Preferences->General - auto page delete off. > > > David Pilling > What it should be is 'Page>Insert Page...' which brings up a dialogue box to enable insertion of multiple pages hth Ian -- Death is just the full-stop at the end of a life sentence. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 1 18:06:45 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA157125 for opro ; Thu, 01 Nov 101 18:06:43 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1004635922:10:24402:60; Thu, 01 Nov 2001 17:32:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1024107; 1 Nov 2001 17:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fA1GuIU09236 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 16:56:18 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (mta07-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.47]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fA1GuFN09233 for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 16:56:15 GMT Received: from ntlworld ([62.252.177.76]) by mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20011101165111.EBDB5731.mta07-svc.ntlworld.com@ntlworld> for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 16:51:11 +0000 Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 16:37:58 GMT From: Colin McQueen To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Tickets and stubs Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.24) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Because of a thought I had in reading this thread I had a look at reference pictures. if you want to save even more time the master page with all the frames for tickets could hold a referenced and then copied drawfile for the ticket itself. Then a simple update of the drawfile would update all those frames. -- Colin McQueen : Using an Acorn StrongARM Risc PC Web Domain : http://www.mcqueen.uk.net/ BSc Zoology + Oceanography : PGCE : MSc in CBL/T -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 1 22:19:31 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA157155 for opro ; Thu, 01 Nov 101 22:19:29 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1004647471:10:28776:61; Thu, 01 Nov 2001 20:44:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1028224; 1 Nov 2001 20:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fA1KlqG09948 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 20:47:52 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fA1KlnN09945 for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 20:47:49 GMT Received: from [62.188.138.170] (helo=RiscPC) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 15zOWN-0002xI-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 01 Nov 2001 20:33:03 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 20:28:57 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Pamphlet printing and scaling Message-ID: <4ad2c25fe0steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <156994@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <156994@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <156994@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > One of those sad little footnotes... > If you look into the OPro templates, the object ones have a > hidden button 'spread'. The idea was that if this was selected > the object would spread across pages. > So another idea that we (or I) never got around to finishing. Dare one mention "keep together", and other such items? -- Steve Pampling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 1 22:19:33 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA157156 for opro ; Thu, 01 Nov 101 22:19:31 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1004644281:20:01133:66; Thu, 01 Nov 2001 19:51:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2000813; 1 Nov 2001 19:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fA1JtLI09779 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 19:55:21 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fA1JtIN09776 for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 19:55:19 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15zNr4-0001Sn-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 19:50:22 +0000 Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 18:51:40 GMT Message-Id: <157136@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Tickets and stubs X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Obvious extension of the page number idea - use the paragraph numbering facilities in OP. I think that would come down to having a master page with text frames on, all formed into an autolink chain. Then just pour in text. Not quite as neat as using page numbers and thumbnails. Slightly easier to control the page layout. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 2 01:56:30 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA157181 for opro ; Fri, 02 Nov 101 01:56:26 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1004654035:10:13760:61; Thu, 01 Nov 2001 22:33:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1013334; 1 Nov 2001 22:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fA1McG410243 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 22:38:16 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from he001war.vianw.net (he001war.uk.vianw.net [195.102.249.208]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fA1McDN10240 for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 22:38:13 GMT Received: from [194.119.179.59] (helo=Caslon.english.co.uk) by he001war.vianw.net with smtp (Exim 3.22 #5) id 15zQMh-0003zB-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 01 Nov 2001 22:31:11 +0000 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Thu, 01 Nov 2001 22:14:44 +0100 Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 22:16:29 +0100 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Tickets and stubs Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <584badd24a.Ian@ian.k.lowry.ntlworld.com> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: POPstar/2.02 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Ian Lowry wrote: > In message <157108@pilling.demon.co.uk> > opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > > > > >Now, here's where I ran in to problems. Clicking on the New Page button > > >and going into Misc -> Insert -> page only resulted in the addition of > > >one page at a time > > > > Misc->Preferences->General - auto page delete off. > > > > > > David Pilling > > > What it should be is 'Page>Insert Page...' which brings up a dialogue > box to enable insertion of multiple pages > as it is. But if you have auto page delete set, then it immediately deletes all your new blank pages except one. I was glad of the reminder of how these two interacted - it's so long since I changed any preferences at document level. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 2 01:56:45 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA157186 for opro ; Fri, 02 Nov 101 01:56:43 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1004657909:10:20754:62; Thu, 01 Nov 2001 23:38:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1109832; 1 Nov 2001 23:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fA1NggF10393 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 23:42:42 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fA1NgeN10390 for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 23:42:40 GMT Received: from [62.188.156.48] (helo=62.188.156.48) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 15zRFX-00004z-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 01 Nov 2001 23:27:52 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mr S A O Yandell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 20:27:42 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Referenced pictures Message-ID: <4ad2c24258steyan@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Colin McQueen wrote: > Hi > I cannot get referencing of pictures to work. Try shift-drsgging the picture into the frame; you can then select either / both reference and proxy. It's in the new, CD manual - I wanted to avoid gobbling up hard disc space unnecessarily in a job I was doing recently, and so found that this works a treat! You can even clip the referenced picture and your trimming is retained. HTH Steve Yandell -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ steyan@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 2 03:16:10 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA157194 for opro ; Fri, 02 Nov 101 03:16:07 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1004666075:10:10862:60; Fri, 02 Nov 2001 01:54:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1010475; 2 Nov 2001 1:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fA21wao10646 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 01:58:36 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fA21wYN10643 for ; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 01:58:34 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15zTWZ-000BMD-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 01:53:35 +0000 Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 01:32:12 GMT Message-Id: <157175@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: PO Bar codes X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Steve Pampling writes... A few questions to those who know: (first the background) Chris Morison (of Organizer fame) has been asked to include Ovation Pro PO barcode export in Organizer. Since yours truly is guilty of producing all the OvPro scripts he asked me if I could fathom the method. However, while I can see that the postcode sequencing is done from and ASDF combination plus a start and stop identifier (barcode A and barcode F respectively) Chris also needs two things: 1. The checksum calculation method (he's working in Basic BTW) 2. The origin of the "delivery point" code. The barcode applet text says it has no direct correspondence to the house number, however is does not say what it *does* correspond to. I'm pretty sure that if we can get the wrinkles out of this then Organizer *will* do OvP address labels including the PO barcode. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 2 03:16:15 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA157196 for opro ; Fri, 02 Nov 101 03:16:12 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1004666079:11:12323:60; Fri, 02 Nov 2001 01:54:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1112072; 2 Nov 2001 1:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fA21wdv10651 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 01:58:39 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fA21wbN10648 for ; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 01:58:37 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15zTWc-000BMD-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 01:53:38 +0000 Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 01:33:00 GMT Message-Id: <157177@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: PO Bar Codes X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >1. The checksum calculation method (he's working in Basic BTW) Self evident from the applet script... >2. The origin of the "delivery point" code. The barcode applet text says it >has no direct correspondence to the house number, however is does not say >what it *does* correspond to. Nothing. As I always say, I'd use a delivery point of 1A and not worry about it. The only way you're going to get it right is by buying the PO's CD ROM of addresses. And getting it wrong doesn't matter because for most people a postman is the last link in the delivery chain and he's not going to look at the delivery point. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 2 13:12:29 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA157205 for opro ; Fri, 02 Nov 101 13:12:28 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1004688812:20:03264:60; Fri, 02 Nov 2001 08:13:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2114225; 2 Nov 2001 8:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fA28FGV11135 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 08:15:16 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fA28FDN11132 for ; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 08:15:13 GMT Received: from [62.188.156.232] (helo=RiscPC) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 15zZFZ-0006OW-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 02 Nov 2001 08:00:25 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 08:10:23 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: PO Bar Codes Message-ID: <4ad302975asteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <157177@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <157177@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <157177@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >1. The checksum calculation method (he's working in Basic BTW) > Self evident from the applet script... Which I've already sent him - he asked for aid in understanding the code. > >2. The origin of the "delivery point" code. The barcode applet text > >says it has no direct correspondence to the house number, however is > >does not say what it *does* correspond to. > Nothing. As I always say, I'd use a delivery point of 1A and not worry > about it. The only way you're going to get it right is by buying the > PO's CD ROM of addresses. And getting it wrong doesn't matter > because for most people a postman is the last link in the delivery chain > and he's not going to look at the delivery point. Ah, now that bit is easy then. Barcode A+postcode translation into four letter combo+standard dp (1A)+checksum+barcode F Just the checksum to sort out with Chris. I presume most people would prefer the output as a standard size address label which can be printed on a label sheet with the "thumbnail" print method. -- Steve Pampling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Nov 3 15:47:39 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA157279 for opro ; Sat, 03 Nov 101 15:47:36 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1004801422:10:04999:69; Sat, 03 Nov 2001 15:30:22 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1004747; 3 Nov 2001 15:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fA3FYrs23477 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 3 Nov 2001 15:34:53 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (mta05-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.45]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fA3FYoN23473 for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2001 15:34:50 GMT Received: from gwen ([213.105.145.111]) by mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20011103152931.QBKP6072.mta05-svc.ntlworld.com@gwen> for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2001 15:29:31 +0000 From: "Nick Kaijaks" To: Subject: Re: Booklet Printing Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 15:26:00 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 In-Reply-To: <000901c16477$392e3560$bc1387d9@pavilion> Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Michael Hunter wrote: > I'm never too sure what I am doing with imposition and I usually end up > confused. > > I was trying to print a 4 page booklet. > I tried the 'Booklet' print option and chose the 'Use half section' option > and a scale of 50%. > > Am I doing something wrong or are the instructions wrong? > > I'm using version 2.66 and !Imposit 1.03. It's entirely possible that I just got the logic inverted when I knocked together the half-section edits to the booklet script. At line 96 or so of my copy of !Imposit.Library.Booklet, it says something like: four=(prbooklet_halfsections) ? 0 :(paper<-4 && paper>0); If you backup the file somewhere safe and then change this to: four=(!prbooklet_halfsections) ? 0 :(paper<-4 && paper>0); // invert logic and re-run OPro, does it work in the way you'd expect? TTFN, Nick -- Dr Nick Kaijaks, Pinxit Design - Information Design for Internet and print http://www.kaijaks.co.uk/ mailto:nick@kaijaks.co.uk Disclaimer: caveat internettor -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Nov 3 15:47:42 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA157280 for opro ; Sat, 03 Nov 101 15:47:40 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1004799377:20:19701:64; Sat, 03 Nov 2001 14:56:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2019330; 3 Nov 2001 14:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fA3EwEf23326 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 3 Nov 2001 14:58:14 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from mail4.svr.pol.co.uk (mail4.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.211]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fA3EwBN23323 for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2001 14:58:12 GMT Received: from modem-956.arbok.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.135.19.188] helo=pavilion) by mail4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 1602AG-0000uT-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 03 Nov 2001 14:52:53 +0000 Message-ID: <000901c16477$392e3560$bc1387d9@pavilion> From: "Michael Hunter" To: "OvPro Mail List" Subject: Booklet Printing Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 14:51:36 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I'm never too sure what I am doing with imposition and I usually end up confused. I was trying to print a 4 page booklet. The original pages are A4 and I wanted them all printed on a single A4 sheet. When printed on both sides of paper and cut into two it should produce a 4-page A6 booklet (A5 folded). I tried the 'Booklet' print option and chose the 'Use half section' option and a scale of 50%. What came out was one sheet with two pages side by side at the top of the paper and a second sheet with two pages one above the other at the left hand side of the paper. I experimented (using SPrinter to save paper) and discovered that the expected result happens with the (Use half sections' unticked. (I also read the instructions fully and opted just to print the front of the sheet.) Am I doing something wrong or are the instructions wrong? I'm using version 2.66 and !Imposit 1.03. -- Michael Hunter michael@hunter8home.freeserve.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Nov 5 16:33:28 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA157290 for opro ; Mon, 05 Nov 101 16:33:25 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1004802722:20:21838:60; Sat, 03 Nov 2001 15:52:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2021742; 3 Nov 2001 15:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fA3Fukr23587 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 3 Nov 2001 15:56:46 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fA3EdSN23297 for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2001 14:39:28 GMT Received: from nmalden.demon.co.uk ([158.152.194.89]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 1601sA-000Ait-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 3 Nov 2001 14:34:10 +0000 Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 14:21:28 +0000 (GMT) From: Charles Barraball Subject: Printing Sprites To: Ovation Pro List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Dad x4; Grandpa x4; Surveyor; DTP-er; '42-er X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Is their a limit to the size of sprites dropped into OPro? I get a "no stack for trap handler error" and a hung machine when I drop a sprite of 492,120 bytes into OPro 2.66 and then try and print it. Charles -- Home: 020 8949 0708-Vox; 079 5620 0176-Mobile; 087 0164 0025-Fax RiscOS4--Listowner procad-users. ProCAD+ http://www.zynet.co.uk/dsnell -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Nov 5 16:33:36 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA157292 for opro ; Mon, 05 Nov 101 16:33:34 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1004802726:20:21972:60; Sat, 03 Nov 2001 15:52:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2021736; 3 Nov 2001 15:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fA3FumS23589 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 3 Nov 2001 15:56:48 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fA3FujN23585 for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2001 15:56:45 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16034w-0006gG-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 3 Nov 2001 15:51:26 +0000 Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 15:52:02 GMT Message-Id: <157288@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Printing Sprites X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > Is their a limit to the size of sprites dropped into OPro? Only limit of RAM in the machine. >I get a "no stack for trap handler error" and a hung machine when I drop >a sprite of 492,120 bytes into OPro 2.66 and then try and print it. And on most machines that is a small sprite. So if you open a new document create a frame and drop the sprite in, and print that crashes does it? If it does, can you print the same sprite from e.g. Draw? David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Nov 5 16:34:08 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA157305 for opro ; Mon, 05 Nov 101 16:34:07 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1004877767:20:05880:60; Sun, 04 Nov 2001 12:42:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2124302; 4 Nov 2001 12:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fA4ClZX25429 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 4 Nov 2001 12:47:35 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.172]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fA4ClTN25426 for ; Sun, 4 Nov 2001 12:47:33 GMT Received: from modem-57.awesome.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.25.128.57] helo=modem-57) by cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 160Mb7-0000qh-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 04 Nov 2001 12:41:58 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2001 12:41:40 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: PC format discs Message-ID: <4ad423199arayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <043b1cd44a.malcolm@retreat.demon.co.uk> References: <043b1cd44a.malcolm@retreat.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <043b1cd44a.malcolm@retreat.demon.co.uk>, Malcolm Cowell wrote: > Hello > I have a job with many files on floppies transferred from a PC portable. > In transferring the files to RISCOS4 machine and ensuing alterations I > get 'Ambiguous disc name' errors when reinserting the disc in my RISCPC. You must dismount floppies when removing them from the RISC OS machine. I've found under RISC OS 4 that you need to do it twice as its DOSFS seems broken. > Also, though the Windows 95 long filenames appear in the floppy display > window on the PC they are truncated when disc is inserted into RISCPC. You need the Win95FS (I think it's called) application from Warm Silence Software. Basically it's a replacement DOSFS that allows full Windows 95 filenames on a RISC OS machine. www.wss.co.uk I think. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 020 8864 7208 | the audio and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Nov 5 16:34:21 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA157310 for opro ; Mon, 05 Nov 101 16:34:20 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1004878410:20:17586:61; Sun, 04 Nov 2001 12:53:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2106238; 4 Nov 2001 12:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fA4CwNX25524 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 4 Nov 2001 12:58:23 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fA4CwLN25521 for ; Sun, 4 Nov 2001 12:58:21 GMT Received: from retreat.demon.co.uk ([158.152.123.49]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 160Mle-000C76-0Y for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 4 Nov 2001 12:52:50 +0000 Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2001 12:52:33 GMT From: Malcolm Cowell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: PC format discs Message-ID: References: <043b1cd44a.malcolm@retreat.demon.co.uk> <4ad423199arayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4ad423199arayd@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <4ad423199arayd@argonet.co.uk> you wrote: > In article <043b1cd44a.malcolm@retreat.demon.co.uk>, > Malcolm Cowell wrote: > > > Hello > > > I have a job with many files on floppies transferred from a PC portable. > > In transferring the files to RISCOS4 machine and ensuing alterations I > > get 'Ambiguous disc name' errors when reinserting the disc in my RISCPC. > > You must dismount floppies when removing them from the RISC OS machine. > I've found under RISC OS 4 that you need to do it twice as its DOSFS > seems broken. Ah! I'll try this. That may explain why the fault seemed to be intermittent. > > > Also, though the Windows 95 long filenames appear in the floppy display > > window on the PC they are truncated when disc is inserted into RISCPC. > > You need the Win95FS (I think it's called) application from Warm Silence > Software. Basically it's a replacement DOSFS that allows full Windows 95 > filenames on a RISC OS machine. www.wss.co.uk I think. I'll look into this - could save a lot of frustration. Malcolm -- Malcolm Cowell IEng MIEIE Python Publishing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Nov 5 16:34:33 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA157317 for opro ; Mon, 05 Nov 101 16:34:32 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1004908111:20:10059:61; Sun, 04 Nov 2001 21:08:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2009646; 4 Nov 2001 21:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fA4L50j26261 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 4 Nov 2001 21:05:00 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fA4L4wN26258 for ; Sun, 4 Nov 2001 21:04:58 GMT Received: from [62.188.136.28] (helo=RiscPC) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 160UJ1-0005r7-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 04 Nov 2001 20:55:47 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2001 13:56:49 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: PO Bar codes Message-ID: <4ad429fae8steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <157175@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <157175@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <157175@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > I'm pretty sure that if we can get the wrinkles out of this then > Organizer *will* do OvP address labels including the PO barcode. And it now does. Organizer v1.55N (or later) will no doubt appear in public soon. The script at present takes home addresses and adds the barcode to the end of the "label" I note from the list circa April that the post office themselves tend to mark letters up with some variant of the coding, and on some letters there may be two or three such labellings. (Tracking through their sorting offices??) -- Steve Pampling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Nov 5 16:34:39 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA157321 for opro ; Mon, 05 Nov 101 16:34:37 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1004910985:20:06266:64; Sun, 04 Nov 2001 21:56:25 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2113190; 4 Nov 2001 21:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fA4Lt0K26396 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 4 Nov 2001 21:55:00 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from ns1.pulse8design.com (qmailr@ns.pulse8design.com [212.67.199.122]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id fA4LsvN26393 for ; Sun, 4 Nov 2001 21:54:57 GMT Received: (qmail 28071 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2001 22:51:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pulse8design.pulse8design.com) (unknown) by unknown with SMTP; 4 Nov 2001 22:51:17 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Marten Gallagher To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2001 21:46:25 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: PO Bar codes Message-ID: <4ad454f92bmarten@annerykiln.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4ad429fae8steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> References: <157175@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4ad429fae8steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4ad429fae8steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk>, Steven Pampling wrote: > I note from the list circa April that the post office themselves tend to > mark letters up with some variant of the coding, and on some letters > there may be two or three such labellings. (Tracking through their > sorting offices??) And don't even bother to ask the Consignia/Royal Mil why or what the difference is. No one, I emphasise NO ONE knows! I have been to the main regional sorting office for Devon and the managers of wo local sorting offices - no one knows! It all in the software of the code printing machines and no one knows why it changes or is different at different times and places! Slainte -- Marten Gallagher - marten@annerykiln.co.uk http://www.annerykiln.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Nov 5 16:35:02 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA157327 for opro ; Mon, 05 Nov 101 16:35:00 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1004873408:11:18528:60; Sun, 04 Nov 2001 11:30:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1013545; 4 Nov 2001 11:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fA4BWlw25198 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 4 Nov 2001 11:32:47 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fA4BWiN25195 for ; Sun, 4 Nov 2001 11:32:44 GMT Received: from retreat.demon.co.uk ([158.152.123.49]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 160LQo-000L7J-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 4 Nov 2001 11:27:15 +0000 Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2001 11:26:38 GMT From: Malcolm Cowell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: PC format discs Message-ID: <043b1cd44a.malcolm@retreat.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hello I have a job with many files on floppies transferred from a PC portable. In transferring the files to RISCOS4 machine and ensuing alterations I get 'Ambiguous disc name' errors when reinserting the disc in my RISCPC. Also, though the Windows 95 long filenames appear in the floppy display window on the PC they are truncated when disc is inserted into RISCPC. I am sure that if there is a solution to the two problems above, it will be easy and must have been overcome by many subscribers to this list. Help will be appreciated. An additional or alternative solution may be a simple serial link lead with suitable control software - any recommendations? Malcolm -- Malcolm Cowell IEng MIEIE Python Publishing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Nov 5 16:35:07 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA157329 for opro ; Mon, 05 Nov 101 16:35:05 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1004876618:10:10426:61; Sun, 04 Nov 2001 12:23:38 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1109936; 4 Nov 2001 12:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fA4CSXG25351 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 4 Nov 2001 12:28:33 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from imailg1.svr.pol.co.uk (imailg1.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.179]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fA4CSUN25348 for ; Sun, 4 Nov 2001 12:28:30 GMT Received: from modem-1140.aerodactyl.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.135.10.116] helo=pavilion) by imailg1.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 160MIm-0003Vx-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 04 Nov 2001 12:23:00 +0000 Message-ID: <002201c1652b$73ddcf40$740a87d9@pavilion> From: "Michael Hunter" To: References: <043b1cd44a.malcolm@retreat.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: PC format discs Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 12:22:48 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro ----- Original Message ----- From: "Malcolm Cowell" To: Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2001 11:26 AM Subject: PC format discs | In transferring the files to RISCOS4 machine and ensuing alterations I | get 'Ambiguous disc name' errors when reinserting the disc in my RISCPC. | I'm not to sure the technical reason for this but the solution is to 'Dismount' the disc before removing it from the drive. (Dismount is available from the Icon Bar menu. Michael -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Nov 5 16:35:09 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA157330 for opro ; Mon, 05 Nov 101 16:35:08 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1004878304:10:08823:62; Sun, 04 Nov 2001 12:51:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1122400; 4 Nov 2001 12:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fA4Cuha25493 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 4 Nov 2001 12:56:43 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from s1.uklinux.net (ns1.uklinux.net [212.1.130.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fA4CueN25490 for ; Sun, 4 Nov 2001 12:56:41 GMT Received: from gromit (ppp-3b-28.3com.telinco.net [212.159.133.28]) by s1.uklinux.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id fA4Cos630714 for ; Sun, 4 Nov 2001 12:50:57 GMT Envelope-To: Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2001 12:50:17 GMT From: Philip Ludlam To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: PC format discs Message-ID: References: <043b1cd44a.malcolm@retreat.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <043b1cd44a.malcolm@retreat.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (Newsbase/0.67) (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.67 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <043b1cd44a.malcolm@retreat.demon.co.uk> , Malcolm Cowell wrote: > >Hello > >Also, though the Windows 95 long filenames appear in the floppy display >window on the PC they are truncated when disc is inserted into RISCPC. The only solution to this at the moment is to use Win95FS from Warm Silence Software http://www.warmsilence.demon.co.uk Yours, Phil L. -- http://www.philipnet.com and mailto:philip@philipnet.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Nov 5 16:35:23 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA157335 for opro ; Mon, 05 Nov 101 16:35:22 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1004955416:10:11711:74; Mon, 05 Nov 2001 10:16:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1124477; 5 Nov 2001 10:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fA5A8Kj27182 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 5 Nov 2001 10:08:20 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from mailsrv.hiway.co.uk (mailsrv.hiway.co.uk [195.12.1.3]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fA5A8HN27179 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2001 10:08:17 GMT Received: from websrv.quantel.com ([195.12.20.51]) by mailsrv.hiway.co.uk (8.11.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id fA5A8xX32232 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2001 10:09:00 GMT Subject: Re: PC format discs To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 09:56:22 +0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >> >>Also, though the Windows 95 long filenames appear in the floppy display >>window on the PC they are truncated when disc is inserted into RISCPC. > The only solution to this at the moment is to use Win95FS from Warm > Silence Software http://www.warmsilence.demon.co.uk Another way to achieve something similar is to use a zip file. If you put all the files into a zip file on the PC then copy that onto the floppy, you can use someting like SparkFS on the RiscPC to read it. All the long filenames will still be there in the zip. They will, of course get truncated if you copy the files to the local disk. HTH Andy Ling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Nov 5 16:35:31 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA157338 for opro ; Mon, 05 Nov 101 16:35:30 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1004960253:10:09104:128; Mon, 05 Nov 2001 11:37:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1100385; 5 Nov 2001 11:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fA5BYL427378 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 5 Nov 2001 11:34:21 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fA5BYJN27375 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2001 11:34:19 GMT Received: from retreat.demon.co.uk ([158.152.123.49]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 160i1r-000BGj-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 5 Nov 2001 11:35:00 +0000 Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 11:21:56 GMT From: Malcolm Cowell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: PC format discs Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Thanks Andy and all those others who have replied. I will use the 'zipped' route where possible. As this file transfer to PC is likely to recur has anyone experience of using John Kortink's parallel printer port link which I found in a web search? Malcolm > > > >> > >>Also, though the Windows 95 long filenames appear in the floppy display > >>window on the PC they are truncated when disc is inserted into RISCPC. > > > The only solution to this at the moment is to use Win95FS from Warm > > Silence Software http://www.warmsilence.demon.co.uk > > Another way to achieve something similar is to use a zip file. > If you put all the files into a zip file on the PC then copy that > onto the floppy, you can use someting like SparkFS on the RiscPC > to read it. All the long filenames will still be there in the zip. > > They will, of course get truncated if you copy the files to > the local disk. > -- Malcolm Cowell IEng MIEIE Python Publishing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 6 01:53:20 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA157365 for opro ; Tue, 06 Nov 101 01:53:17 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1004989987:11:20451:64; Mon, 05 Nov 2001 19:53:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1119752; 5 Nov 2001 19:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fA5JoOG28085 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 5 Nov 2001 19:50:24 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from hecate.chariot.net.au (IDENT:root@hecate.chariot.net.au [203.30.236.82]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fA5JoJN28082 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2001 19:50:20 GMT Received: from localhost (ad3-203-30-236-104.chariot.net.au [203.30.236.104]) by hecate.chariot.net.au (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id fA5JomW04673 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 06:20:50 +1030 Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 06:18:12 +1030 From: Peter Prewett To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: double sided pages Message-ID: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.24) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I am not understanding the creation of a double sided document with different margins. I tried using the page guidelines and setting the margins to be different and expected that inserting the left and right dimensions to meet this requirement that this will then automatically create 2 master pages L & R with different margins? I ended up in setting up each side to be as I wanted. I then added a chapter by copying it from another document and wanting that to follow the previous chapter but the Modify chapter 'Base on chapter' number is greyed out how do I get that to work? Cheers Peter -- Peter Prewett, Coromandel Valley, South Australia -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 6 01:53:24 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA157367 for opro ; Tue, 06 Nov 101 01:53:22 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1004993603:10:08779:73; Mon, 05 Nov 2001 20:53:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1124143; 5 Nov 2001 20:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fA5Kq1728227 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 5 Nov 2001 20:52:01 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from obelix-spare.spectraweb.ch (obelix.plusnet.ch [194.158.230.8]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fA5KpwN28224 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2001 20:51:58 GMT Received: from janvredenburchsmile.ch (abo-be-1-2-dialup-166.spectraweb.ch [194.230.117.166]) by obelix-spare.spectraweb.ch (8.11.2/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with SMTP id fA5Klul24257 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2001 21:48:01 +0100 Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 20:49:04 +0100 (GMT) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: PO Bar codes To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <4ad454f92bmarten@annerykiln.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: CIC member; Secretariaat St. Van Vredenburch X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sun 04 Nov, Marten Gallagher wrote: snip > > there may be two or three such labellings. (Tracking through their > > sorting offices??) Most probably. And as far as Switzerland is concerned: correct. I have proof of this. And was confirmed by the postal coding 'guru' at Swiss mail. Letters sent from the same person to me all have different barcodes added. > And don't even bother to ask the Consignia/Royal Mil why or what the > difference is. No one, I emphasise NO ONE knows! .......... Maybe no *one person* knows, but most probably Royal Mail's computer does know to make sense out of it.. At present I am running some tests. As soon as I have the results, further info follows (a week to 10 days). Meanwhile I do suggest you use the PO barcode as it definitely does seem to speed up expedition. I presume that this is because computer-reading of the barcode is faster than OCRing (=optical character reading) of the address in standard Latin letters. JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch, CH - 6006 Luzern **new email address** >From 29/06/2001 email: janvredenburch@smile.ch .. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 6 14:48:02 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA157380 for opro ; Tue, 06 Nov 101 14:48:00 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1005011990:10:03849:60; Tue, 06 Nov 2001 01:59:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1003710; 6 Nov 2001 1:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fA61ujh28619 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 01:56:45 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fA61uhN28616 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 01:56:43 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 160vUJ-000HXy-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 01:57:15 +0000 Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 01:55:58 GMT Message-Id: <157370@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: double sided pages X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I tried using the page guidelines and setting the margins to be >different and expected that inserting the left and right dimensions to >meet this requirement that this will then automatically create 2 master >pages L & R with different margins? It has to be a double sided chapter - select the double sided button in page guidelines. The left and right writeable icons refer to the margins on *one* page. By using the radio buttons below marked left and right you control if the dimensions you're entering are for the left page, the right page or if'mirror' is selected for both pages. To put it another way in a double sided chapter there are left hand and right hand pages, and a left hand page has left and right margins (and so does the right hand page). >I then added a chapter by copying it from another document and wanting >that to follow the previous chapter but the Modify chapter 'Base on >chapter' number is greyed out how do I get that to work? Only when you're creating a new chapter... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 6 14:48:23 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA157387 for opro ; Tue, 06 Nov 101 14:48:21 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1005035174:10:29547:68; Tue, 06 Nov 2001 08:26:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1101603; 6 Nov 2001 8:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fA68OVN29035 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 08:24:31 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from cmailg7.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg7.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.177]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fA68ONN29032 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 08:24:28 GMT Received: from modem-360.beedrill.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.135.33.104] helo=pavilion) by cmailg7.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 1611XP-0004Y1-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 06 Nov 2001 08:24:52 +0000 Message-ID: <000001c1669c$82ea2980$682187d9@pavilion> From: "Michael Hunter" To: References: Subject: Re: Booklet Printing Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 21:32:50 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick Kaijaks" | Michael Hunter wrote: | | > I was trying to print a 4 page booklet. | > I tried the 'Booklet' print option and chose the 'Use half section' option | > and a scale of 50%. At line 96 or so of my copy of !Imposit.Library.Booklet, it says something like: four=(prbooklet_halfsections) ? 0 :(paper<-4 && paper>0); change this to: four=(!prbooklet_halfsections) ? 0 :(paper<-4 && paper>0); // invert logic Thanks Nick for that - it now seems to work the way I expected and you intended. Michael -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 6 21:32:07 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA157423 for opro ; Tue, 06 Nov 101 21:32:06 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1005081899:11:11185:61; Tue, 06 Nov 2001 21:24:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1001312; 6 Nov 2001 21:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fA6LNCV29998 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 21:23:12 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fA6LN7N29995 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 21:23:08 GMT Received: from br2811.demon.co.uk ([158.152.229.74]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 161Dgv-000I7V-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 21:23:30 +0000 Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 21:21:18 GMT From: Brian Hammond To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Printing from Samsung ML4600 Message-ID: <8d585ad54a.brian@br2811post.demon.co.uk> References: <157370@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <157370@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I bought a Samsung ML 4600 Laser Printer at the recent show and cannot find how to make it print from the RISCPC at all - even simple textfiles. I was assured by the sellers that the Acorn PS driver would run it - I must have missed something out. I should add that it works perfectly on Windows PC. -- Brian Hammond <>using a StrongARMed RISCPC running OS4, in an MS-free zone, except for Sibelius. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 7 01:21:36 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA157434 for opro ; Wed, 07 Nov 101 01:21:33 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1005082470:10:16164:62; Tue, 06 Nov 2001 21:34:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1101297; 6 Nov 2001 21:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fA6LXlf30089 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 21:33:47 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fA6LXgN30086 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 21:33:43 GMT Received: from necpwa.demon.co.uk ([158.152.217.190] helo=tinypc) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 161DrA-0006vX-0Y for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 21:34:05 +0000 Message-ID: <000b01c1670a$bf114b00$23800001@tinypc> From: "Tony Simons" To: References: <157370@pilling.demon.co.uk> <8d585ad54a.brian@br2811post.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: Printing from Samsung ML4600 Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 21:33:58 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > I bought a Samsung ML 4600 Laser Printer at the recent show and cannot > find how to make it print from the RISCPC at all - even simple > textfiles. I was assured by the sellers that the Acorn PS driver would > run it - I must have missed something out. I should add that it works > perfectly on Windows PC. > -- > Brian Hammond AFAIK the Samsung isn't PS abled, but is HPlaserjet compatible, try the LJ6 printer driver. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 7 14:29:59 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA157444 for opro ; Wed, 07 Nov 101 14:29:57 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1005095936:10:25419:61; Wed, 07 Nov 2001 01:18:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1025413; 7 Nov 2001 1:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fA71I3030369 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 7 Nov 2001 01:18:03 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fA6JUZN29904 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 19:30:35 GMT Received: from nmalden.demon.co.uk ([158.152.194.89]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 161Bw2-000Cte-0V for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 19:30:58 +0000 Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 19:27:04 +0000 (GMT) From: Charles Barraball Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Digest V1 #761 -printing sprites To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <200111042106.fA4L6cn26268@omega.barnet.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Dad x4; Grandpa x4; Surveyor; DTP-er; '42-er X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sun 04 Nov, Ovation Pro Digest wrote: [snip--- snip--- snip--- ] > > Ovation Pro Digest Sunday, November 4 2001 Volume 01 : Number 761 > Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 15:52:02 GMT > From:(David Pilling) > Subject: Re: Printing Sprites > > > Is their a limit to the size of sprites dropped into OPro? > > Only limit of RAM in the machine. > > >I get a "no stack for trap handler error" and a hung machine when I drop > >a sprite of 492,120 bytes into OPro 2.66 and then try and print it. > > And on most machines that is a small sprite. > > So if you open a new document create a frame and drop the sprite in, and print > that crashes does it? > > If it does, can you print the same sprite from e.g. Draw? > Sprite prints from Paint and Draw; Printing same sprite in blank Opro document causes error reported. Charles -- Home: 020 8949 0708-Vox; 079 5620 0176-Mobile; 087 0164 0025-Fax RiscOS4--Listowner procad-users. ProCAD+ http://www.zynet.co.uk/dsnell -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 8 19:35:23 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA157513 for opro ; Thu, 08 Nov 101 19:35:21 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1005243804:20:05752:62; Thu, 08 Nov 2001 18:23:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2113326; 8 Nov 2001 18:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fA8I6eG01182 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 18:06:40 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fA8I6cN01179 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 18:06:38 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 161tZR-000EJ2-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 18:06:33 +0000 Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 13:12:30 GMT Message-Id: <157504@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: New web site design X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, I have had my web site redesigned. It would be interesting if anyone has any comments on the design. e.g. how it could be improved. The contents are the same, so its no good saying that XXX should be updated. To put it another way the designers can't be blamed for the contents. However the new organisation may encourage me to sort out some content problems. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 9 13:56:16 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA157538 for opro ; Fri, 09 Nov 101 13:56:13 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1005297952:20:02971:64; Fri, 09 Nov 2001 09:25:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2002848; 9 Nov 2001 9:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fA99Ogw02523 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 09:24:42 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from mailsrv.hiway.co.uk (mailsrv.hiway.co.uk [195.12.1.3]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fA99OeN02520 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 09:24:40 GMT Received: from websrv.quantel.com ([195.12.20.51]) by mailsrv.hiway.co.uk (8.11.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id fA99OUX09869 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 09:24:30 GMT Subject: Re: New web site design To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 09:15:55 +0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > It would be interesting if anyone has any comments on the design. > e.g. how it could be improved. In general I think it looks good. My only gripe is the width. It uses a fixed width which is wider than the default size I have my browser set to. This means I have to keep scrolling horizontally to read the text that has fallen off the end. Andy Ling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 9 13:56:21 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA157540 for opro ; Fri, 09 Nov 101 13:56:18 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1005296642:10:09425:63; Fri, 09 Nov 2001 09:04:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1115961; 9 Nov 2001 9:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fA992Z402415 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 09:02:35 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk [137.205.192.30]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fA992WN02412 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 09:02:32 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@pansy [137.205.192.19]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fA992Gm06230 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 09:02:17 GMT Received: from trevor ([137.205.186.55]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id fA992Fd00385 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 09:02:15 GMT From: "Nick Kaijaks" To: Subject: RE: Booklet Printing Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 09:01:58 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <000001c1669c$82ea2980$682187d9@pavilion> x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >>> Michael Hunter wrote: >>> I was trying to print a 4 page booklet. >>> I tried the 'Booklet' print option and chose the 'Use half section' >>> option >>> and a scale of 50%. >> >> At line 96 or so of my copy of !Imposit.Library.Booklet, it says >> something >> like: >> >> four=(prbooklet_halfsections) ? 0 :(paper<-4 && paper>0); >> change this to: >> four=(!prbooklet_halfsections) ? 0 :(paper<-4 && paper>0); // >> invert logic >> > Thanks Nick for that - it now seems to work the way I expected and you > intended. > > Michael I must be having one of those weeks... As Chris Manning has pointed out to me, the last clause of that line will always evaluate to 0, since paper can never be less than -4 *and* greater than 0 at the same time. I think I hit minus instead of equals; it should be: four=(!prbooklet_halfsections) ? 0 :(paper<=4 && paper>0); // third time lucky Now I think this should still be the right logic for the menu, but I'm getting paranoid here ;-) I hesitate to say so for sure without being able to check it (I'm writing this on a PC at work). Could some kind soul try it? Cheers, Nick -- Nick Kaijaks, Pinxit Design - Information Design for Internet and print http://www.kaijaks.co.uk/ mailto:nick@kaijaks.co.uk Disclaimer: caveat internettor -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 9 13:56:22 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA157539 for opro ; Fri, 09 Nov 101 13:56:18 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1005299453:20:16078:65; Fri, 09 Nov 2001 09:50:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2015571; 9 Nov 2001 9:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fA99mBf02647 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 09:48:11 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from smtp01.fields.gol.com (smtp01.fields.gol.com [203.216.5.131]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fA99m7N02644 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 09:48:08 GMT Received: from 54-1-76-248.tky.gol.ne.jp ([203.216.76.248] helo=plattir.gol.com) by smtp01.fields.gol.com with smtp (Magnetic Fields) id 1628GQ-0004vr-00 for ; Fri, 09 Nov 2001 18:47:54 +0900 Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 18:40:21 +0000 (GMT) From: "Ian R. Platt" Subject: Re: New web site design To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <157504@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] X-Abuse-Complaints: abuse@gol.com Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 08 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > > Hi, > > I have had my web site redesigned. > > It would be interesting if anyone has any comments on the design. > e.g. how it could be improved. Darker (i.e. readable!) buttons under the banner would be step 1! The 'site stats' is a very different style, but I guess you may nopt have control over how that looks. Generally, nice, simple, clear and clean. (well, you did ask :-) ) > Cheers Ian -- Ian Platt Risc OS4 + StrongARM = UK technology. Continuing to 'think differently':-) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 9 13:56:25 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA157541 for opro ; Fri, 09 Nov 101 13:56:22 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1005300179:10:07754:79; Fri, 09 Nov 2001 10:02:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1006376; 9 Nov 2001 10:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fA9A1Cg02757 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 10:01:12 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from smtp-server.nlr.nl (spider.nlr.nl [137.17.80.200]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fA9A19N02753 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 10:01:09 GMT Received: from nararch.nlr.nl (nararch.nlr.nl [137.17.168.66]) by smtp-server.nlr.nl (8.11.6/8.11.6/NLR 24/01/2001) with SMTP id fA9A0rC1021448; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 11:00:53 +0100 (CET) Disclaimer: "The National Aerospace Laboratory NLR DOES NOT ACCEPT ANY FINANCIAL COMMITMENT derived from this message." Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 10:58:47 +0100 From: "F.R. Polak" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: New web site design Message-ID: <4d5ea7d64a.polak@nararch.nlr.nl> References: <157504@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <157504@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: National Aerospace Laboratory NLR User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.24) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message dated 8 Nov 8 Nov 2001 David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > > I have had my web site redesigned. > > It would be interesting if anyone has any comments on the design. > e.g. how it could be improved. > Hi David, I think this is a significant improvement! It looks good but not fancy (thanks!), gives very fast access to anything there is available. Cheers, Frits -- Frits R. Polak National Aerospace Laboratory (NLR), Amsterdam Airports Department phone : +31-(0)20-5113543; fax: +31-(0)20-5113210 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 9 13:56:26 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA157542 for opro ; Fri, 09 Nov 101 13:56:23 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1005303712:20:07859:61; Fri, 09 Nov 2001 11:01:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2007747; 9 Nov 2001 11:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fA9AvdZ02925 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 10:57:39 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fA9AvaN02921 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 10:57:36 GMT Received: from mk-net.demon.co.uk ([194.222.12.18] helo=Tonys) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 1629Lh-0005On-0X for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 10:57:25 +0000 Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 10:53:02 GMT From: Tony van der Hoff To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: New web site design Message-ID: References: <157504@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <157504@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: CCC User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 8 Nov 2001, in message <157504@pilling.demon.co.uk>, opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > Hi, > > I have had my web site redesigned. > > It would be interesting if anyone has any comments on the design. > e.g. how it could be improved. > [snip] No doubt some of these are personal preferences, and maybe I'm wrong; but here goes: 1. Personally, I have an aversion to fixed-width HTML pages. It's not how it's supposed to be done (IMHO). 2. The links, under the banner are not at all obvious; maybe they should be buttons, or something, especially as they're PNGs anyway. 3. The link to the current page should be highlighted, so that it's obvious what one's currently looking at. 4. I would make a lot more use of links opening in a new page, to make browsing easier; for instance on the "Software" page, any of the selections should open in a new page, to make it easy to return to check out other packages. 5. I guess this one's content: the home page only mentions OPro and David Pilling's scanning software; I think you're hiding your light under a bushel. Apart from that; nearly as good as your old site ;-) HTH, Tony -- Tony van der Hoff | MailTo:tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk | MailTo:avanderhoff@iee.org Buckinghamshire, England | http:www.mk-net.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 9 13:56:31 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA157544 for opro ; Fri, 09 Nov 101 13:56:28 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1005306009:20:03630:61; Fri, 09 Nov 2001 11:40:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2000890; 9 Nov 2001 11:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fA9BaxX03079 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 11:36:59 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.173]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fA9BauN03076 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 11:36:57 GMT Received: from modem-321.babbelas.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.25.133.65] helo=pc) by cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 1629xk-0001T6-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 09 Nov 2001 11:36:44 +0000 Received: from 10.0.0.1 by pc ([10.0.0.2] running VPOP3) with SMTP for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 11:38:2 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Cassidy To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 11:37:13 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: New web site design Message-ID: <4ad6b06133richard@graphitedesign.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <157504@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain X-Server: VPOP3 V1.5.0 - Registered Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, Wow, what an improvement! I tend to agree with the comments Tony made with two exceptions. I understand the problems with fixed width sites but really think it makes it so much stronger design wise. IME the very small number of people inconvenienced by fixed width is hugely outwayed by the design benefits - I challenge anyone to produce a site that pleases everyone! Also I would not have internal links opening new windows on a site this size. The pages are very fast loading, even on a 56k, and (again IME) this tends to confuse more people than it helps. The only place where links should open in a new window is the links page to external sites. Nav Bar Maybe the navigation buttons along the top could be a bit darker/clearer and I don't see the point of having stats available to the world but that's just me! Front Page Possibly this could have a graphic (chosen at random when the page loads) that advertises and links through to one of your other packages. If you want to stick to the fixed content on OvnPro and ImgMaster then I would think a link from the descriptive paragraph/title would help. Hope this helps. Cheers, Richard In article , Tony van der Hoff wrote: > [snip] > No doubt some of these are personal preferences, and maybe I'm wrong; but > here goes: > 1. Personally, I have an aversion to fixed-width HTML pages. It's not how > it's supposed to be done (IMHO). > 2. The links, under the banner are not at all obvious; maybe they should be > buttons, or something, especially as they're PNGs anyway. > 3. The link to the current page should be highlighted, so that it's obvious > what one's currently looking at. > 4. I would make a lot more use of links opening in a new page, to make > browsing easier; for instance on the "Software" page, any of the selections > should open in a new page, to make it easy to return to check out other > packages. > 5. I guess this one's content: the home page only mentions OPro and > David Pilling's scanning software; I think you're hiding your light under a bushel. > Apart from that; nearly as good as your old site ;-) > HTH, Tony -- _______________________________________________________________________ Graphite Design & Presentation www.graphitedesign.co.uk 10 Vallis Way, Frome BA11 3BD sales@graphitedesign.co.uk Tel 01373 463395 Design for print and internet -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 9 13:56:34 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA157545 for opro ; Fri, 09 Nov 101 13:56:32 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1005306627:20:16851:76; Fri, 09 Nov 2001 11:50:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2017153; 9 Nov 2001 11:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fA9BnKv03192 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 11:49:20 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from gateh.kw.bbc.co.uk (gateh.kw.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.17]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fA9BnHN03189 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 11:49:17 GMT Received: from w12wcxi04.wc.bbc.co.uk (w12wcxi04.wc.bbc.co.uk [132.185.48.9]) by gateh.kw.bbc.co.uk (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id fA9Bn5J26510 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 11:49:05 GMT Received: from w12wcxf01.wc.bbc.co.uk (unverified) by w12wcxi04.wc.bbc.co.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.1) with ESMTP id for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 11:49:03 -0000 Message-ID: <21B2A2008F16D2118E7A00805F8BF7ECA9970A@w12wnxu01.wn.bbc.co.uk> From: Michael Hunter To: "'ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk'" Subject: RE: New web site design Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 11:48:59 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R David, I think I agree with the other contributors that the results of the makeover look good. However the fixed width is a problem - sometimes I print some pages for reference - the text at the right hand side of the page does not print. I'm sure web pages should be able to be viewed at different resolutions. Michael This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify me immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the BBC, unless specifically stated. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Nov 10 02:04:59 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA157549 for opro ; Sat, 10 Nov 101 02:04:57 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1005340969:20:15685:61; Fri, 09 Nov 2001 21:22:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2117144; 9 Nov 2001 21:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fA9LMiO04297 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 21:22:44 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fA9LMfN04294 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 21:22:42 GMT Received: from br2811.demon.co.uk ([158.152.229.74]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 162J6W-000Hwc-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 21:22:24 +0000 Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 19:13:29 GMT From: Brian Hammond To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Printing from Samsung ML4600 Message-ID: <125156d64a.brian@br2811post.demon.co.uk> References: <157370@pilling.demon.co.uk> <8d585ad54a.brian@br2811post.demon.co.uk> <000b01c1670a$bf114b00$23800001@tinypc> In-Reply-To: <000b01c1670a$bf114b00$23800001@tinypc> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <000b01c1670a$bf114b00$23800001@tinypc> you wrote: > > I bought a Samsung ML 4600 Laser Printer at the recent show and cannot > > find how to make it print from the RISCPC at all - even simple > > textfiles. I was assured by the sellers that the Acorn PS driver would > > run it - I must have missed something out. I should add that it works > > perfectly on Windows PC. > > -- > > Brian Hammond > > AFAIK the Samsung isn't PS abled, but is HPlaserjet compatible, try the LJ6 > printer driver. > > > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message Thank you - it works perfectly with RISC PC now. -- Brian Hammond <>using a StrongARMed RISCPC running OS4, in an MS-free zone. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Nov 10 02:05:22 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA157558 for opro ; Sat, 10 Nov 101 02:05:18 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1005340564:10:07911:61; Fri, 09 Nov 2001 21:16:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1107566; 9 Nov 2001 21:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fA9LE7T04235 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 21:14:07 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from hecate.chariot.net.au (IDENT:root@hecate.chariot.net.au [203.30.236.82]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fA9LE1N04232 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 21:14:01 GMT Received: from localhost (ad3-203-30-236-103.chariot.net.au [203.30.236.103]) by hecate.chariot.net.au (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id fA9LDRW16751 for ; Sat, 10 Nov 2001 07:43:28 +1030 Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 07:26:12 +1030 From: Peter Prewett To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Page guidlines Message-ID: <6c8ee3d64a.pprewett@chariot.net.au> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.24) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Thanks to David Pilling on help with setting up of double sided pages that I was having problems with. Now I am having difficulty in changing margins using Page guidelines. I set up the margins required in 3 different document and then merged them into one by using the copy and paste chapters facility. The margins when printed were not correct and I tried to change them by using Edit master pages and Page guidelines. Chapter 1 had my settings but chapter 2 and 3 did not and what is more did not agree with the display. In chapter 2 The Default master frame was unticked which it should have been and the Mirror button was on and all the dimensions were 10mm except header and footer which I was not using. In chapter 3 I wanted to change both the margins and the first page to be printed, it is a 2 page chapter and I wanted to have them facing each other ie. start on the left. First off I had the same display as chapter 2 above and changing the setting to do as I thought was for facing pages created an extra frame in the document I do not know where that had come from:-(( Sorry for the long email and I am not sure I have made myself clear at least it is to me!! Cheers Peter -- Peter Prewett, Coromandel Valley, South Australia -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Nov 10 13:37:45 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA157579 for opro ; Sat, 10 Nov 101 13:37:40 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1005362099:20:29770:61; Sat, 10 Nov 2001 03:14:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2029496; 10 Nov 2001 3:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fAA3EW404925 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 10 Nov 2001 03:14:32 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fAA3ETN04922 for ; Sat, 10 Nov 2001 03:14:29 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 162Oas-0000km-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 10 Nov 2001 03:14:06 +0000 Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 02:51:04 GMT Message-Id: <157573@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Page guidlines X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >The margins when printed were not correct Describe how they were incorrect. >In chapter 2 The Default master frame was unticked which it should >have been and the Mirror button was on and all the dimensions were 10mm >except header and footer which I was not using. With no default frame I think mirror etc. have no effect. >chapter 2 above and changing the setting to do as I thought was for >facing pages created an extra frame in the document I do not know where >that had come from:-(( Perhaps you enabled the default frame. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Nov 10 13:37:46 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA157580 for opro ; Sat, 10 Nov 101 13:37:40 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1005362088:11:02959:61; Sat, 10 Nov 2001 03:14:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1102921; 10 Nov 2001 3:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fAA3Ea704930 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 10 Nov 2001 03:14:36 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from smtp.wanadoo.es (smtp4.wanadoo.es [62.37.236.138] (may be forged)) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fA9HopN03901 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 17:50:51 GMT Received: from wanadoo.es (62-36-26-227.dialup.uni2.es [62.36.26.227]) by smtp.wanadoo.es (8.11.3/8.10.2) with ESMTP id fA9Hl4K09879; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 18:47:05 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <3BEBC6C4.10202@wanadoo.es> Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 13:06:28 +0100 From: Nick Boalch User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win 9x 4.90; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk CC: david@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: New web site design References: <157504@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro David Pilling wrote: > I have had my web site redesigned. > > It would be interesting if anyone has any comments on the design. > e.g. how it could be improved. In general it's good. It's a clean and clear design. However, I have one or two issues just from giving the site a quick once-over. In terms of general usability: - The navigation scheme isn't clear enough. It's difficult to read the links at the top of the page because of the low contrast between them and the background, and it would be a good idea for one of the links to be coloured differently to mark out which page you're currently on. In terms of accessibility: - Don't use fixed-width web pages, they're evil for all sorts of reasons. (I seem to remember that Melotech == Michael Stubbs, in which case he and I have argued bitterly over this before, so I don't see this aspect changing...) - Don't ask people to "click here". A significant percentage of users don't click (either because they use other input devices than mice or because they use different navigational systems) and this percentage will increase over the next few years with the growth of mouseless internet devices. - The page is going to be difficult to scan for blind users using speaking browsers. More attention needs to be paid to the layout and structure of the pages. Those are my initial thoughts on the design. David, if you'd like a more detailed assessment get in touch with me and I'll see what I can do if I get a few moments. Nick -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Nov 10 13:38:02 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA157587 for opro ; Sat, 10 Nov 101 13:38:00 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1005386575:20:25863:61; Sat, 10 Nov 2001 10:02:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2119792; 10 Nov 2001 10:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fAAA1om05509 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 10 Nov 2001 10:01:50 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from sand3.global.net.uk (sand3.global.net.uk [195.147.246.249]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fAAA1kN05506 for ; Sat, 10 Nov 2001 10:01:47 GMT Received: from p52s05a06.client.global.net.uk ([195.147.213.83] helo=Brunel) by sand3.global.net.uk with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 162Uww-0003JO-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 10 Nov 2001 10:01:18 +0000 From: "Malcolm Knight" To: Subject: RE: New web site design Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 10:03:40 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 In-Reply-To: <3BEBC6C4.10202@wanadoo.es> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > David Pilling wrote: > > > > I have had my web site redesigned. > > > > It would be interesting if anyone has any comments on the design. > > e.g. how it could be improved. I suppose that only a pedant would point out that 'coexistant' would be better with an e instead of an a? :-) (see end of... /orderinfo.html) Malcolm http://www.abbeyvision.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Nov 10 15:30:40 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA157600 for opro ; Sat, 10 Nov 101 15:30:36 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1005399837:20:17078:61; Sat, 10 Nov 2001 13:43:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2102378; 10 Nov 2001 13:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fAADhbu05906 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 10 Nov 2001 13:43:38 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net ([212.159.14.225]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id fAADhZN05903 for ; Sat, 10 Nov 2001 13:43:35 GMT Received: (qmail 24243 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2001 13:42:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (212.159.25.61) by murphy.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Nov 2001 13:42:51 -0000 Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 13:32:27 +0000 (GMT) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: Page guidlines To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <6c8ee3d64a.pprewett@chariot.net.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In on Fri 09 Nov, Peter Prewett wrote: > Thanks to David Pilling on help with setting up of double sided pages > that I was having problems with. > > Now I am having difficulty in changing margins using Page guidelines. I > set up the margins required in 3 different document and then merged them > into one by using the copy and paste chapters facility. > > The margins when printed were not correct and I tried to change them by > using Edit master pages and Page guidelines. > > Chapter 1 had my settings but chapter 2 and 3 did not and what is > more did not agree with the display. > > In chapter 2 The Default master frame was unticked which it should > have been and the Mirror button was on and all the dimensions were 10mm > except header and footer which I was not using. I've not used the copy chapter facility but wonder - in the source document were later chapters based on earlier chapters and the based-on feature is over-riding the individual settings when pasted into the new document? > In chapter 3 I wanted to change both the margins and the first page to > be printed, it is a 2 page chapter and I wanted to have them facing each > other ie. start on the left. First off I had the same display as > chapter 2 above and changing the setting to do as I thought was for > facing pages created an extra frame in the document I do not know where > that had come from:-(( Where was the blank frame added - end of chapter 2, beginning of chaper 3 or end of chapter 3? If at the end of Chapter 2 is it necessary for a blank page so chapter 3 can start on a left side page? If at the end of either chapter is there a newline at the end of the last paragraph which will not fit the page so gets moved to the next (visually blank) page? If at the beginning of chapter 3 is there a newpage character forcing the first line of text over to page 2 of chapter 3? To check the latter 2 situations you may need to switch on display of invisible characters: Ctrl-I or Menu > View > Options (Shift-Ctrl-O) and tick Invisibles. Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 13 18:07:38 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA157605 for opro ; Tue, 13 Nov 101 18:07:35 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1005406447:20:11249:61; Sat, 10 Nov 2001 15:34:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2011020; 10 Nov 2001 15:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fAAFXGF06139 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 10 Nov 2001 15:33:16 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fAAFXEN06135 for ; Sat, 10 Nov 2001 15:33:14 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 162a7e-000Nks-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 10 Nov 2001 15:32:42 +0000 Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 15:32:22 GMT Message-Id: <157603@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Page guidlines X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I've not used the copy chapter facility but wonder - in the source document >were later chapters based on earlier chapters and the based-on feature is >over-riding the individual settings when pasted into the new document? 'based on' only has an effect at the instant the new chapter is created. I'm sure people would like 'based on' to have a lasting effect, but for now it does not. >If at the end of Chapter 2 is it necessary for a blank page so chapter 3 can >start on a left side page? Not in the sense that someone has to insert a blank page to get the starting page side right. You can always use modify chapter to set the starting side. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 13 18:07:54 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA157610 for opro ; Tue, 13 Nov 101 18:07:52 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1005445944:20:10989:61; Sun, 11 Nov 2001 02:32:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2104459; 11 Nov 2001 2:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fAB2T7i07198 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 11 Nov 2001 02:29:07 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from blueyonder.co.uk (pcow024o.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.53.126]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fAB2T1N07195 for ; Sun, 11 Nov 2001 02:29:01 GMT Received: from pcow024m.blueyonder.co.uk ([127.0.0.1]) by blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Sun, 11 Nov 2001 02:28:28 +0000 Received: from riscpc.dawnsun.net (unverified) by pcow024m.blueyonder.co.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.5) with SMTP id for Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Organization: Somewhat chaotic X-TimeTo3000: 364562 days, 21 hours, 31 minutes, 22 seconds X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Thu 08 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > > I have had my web site redesigned. > > It would be interesting if anyone has any comments on the design. > e.g. how it could be improved. Looks very nice in Oregano, Opera on the Mac, IE5.5 on the Mac and IE5 on a Windoze box. Looks more than acceptible on Fresco given that Fresco doesn't support CSS. Haven't tried it with Netscape 'cos it's horrible and terribly broken so far as CSS is concerned. My one gripe is that under IE5.5 on a Mac the fixed width is about 4 pixels too wide if I switch to an 800x600 display mode. Leads to a disconcerting sort of wobble when clicking on links. I think it's a nice clean design. -- Pete ==== +44 7711 501 757 186,000 miles per second - it's not just a good idea, it's the law! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 13 18:08:24 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA157619 for opro ; Tue, 13 Nov 101 18:08:23 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1005501901:20:17714:61; Sun, 11 Nov 2001 18:05:01 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2017485; 11 Nov 2001 18:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fABI57r08534 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 11 Nov 2001 18:05:07 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fABI54N08531 for ; Sun, 11 Nov 2001 18:05:04 GMT Received: from tarazen.demon.co.uk ([193.237.156.226] helo=tarazen) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 162yxy-000ILO-0Y for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 11 Nov 2001 18:04:23 +0000 Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 16:18:02 GMT From: Jon Keates To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: <0ac3d1d74a.jonkeates@tarazen.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Just as it comes User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 X-Editor: StrongEd 4.63 Subject: Tabs and Indents MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Is this meant to happen like this ? Using a 2 col, A4 layout with bodytext Format set to : 0mm Left Indent 0mm First Line Indent Tab 25mm Import some text in the form : TAB
Fine, the
align at 25mm, but some lines have details longer than 1col and start again at 0mm, so Change bodytext Format to : 10mm Left Indent -10mm First Line Indent Tab 25mm Now, with any longer than the Left Indent the
align at 25mm, but, if the is less than the Left Indent then the
align to the Left Indent ? It's not what I expected to happen cheers -- Jon -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 13 18:08:26 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA157620 for opro ; Tue, 13 Nov 101 18:08:25 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1005514091:20:26432:61; Sun, 11 Nov 2001 21:28:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2106995; 11 Nov 2001 21:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fABLS6509046 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 11 Nov 2001 21:28:06 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from alpha.netvision.net.il (alpha.netvision.net.il [194.90.1.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fABLS1N09043 for ; Sun, 11 Nov 2001 21:28:02 GMT Received: from netvision.net.il (ADSLP37-NV-p229.adsl.netvision.net.il [212.143.37.229]) by alpha.netvision.net.il (8.9.3/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA01054 for ; Sun, 11 Nov 2001 23:27:28 +0200 (IST) Message-ID: <3BEEED1E.4030608@netvision.net.il> Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 23:26:54 +0200 From: Michael Ben-Gershon Organization: My Office User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.5) Gecko/20011012 X-Accept-Language: en-GB, en, he MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: New web site design References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id fABLS6609046 Peter Margetts wrote: > Hi David > I have both Ovation Pro and David Pilling's scanning software and agree with the comments > about both of them. I have received questions from my daughter's school= =20 > teachers as to what program she produced her projects on, as they were > obviously more professional than the other (PC using) children's effort= s. > I think they thought that I had done them for her on a vastly expensive > professional desktop publishing system. > They were surprised that she used an Acorn machine and a program costin= g > less than =A3150. It's not as if the projects were great works of art, = but > the PC frame based alternatives are obviously not as capable or perhaps > too complicated to use. Tee hee... Just adding my 2p worth to the above: I have received similar comments about work produced by Ovation (and Impression when it was my primary work tool). What is most interesting is that I regularly produce fliers using OPro in Hebrew, for which OPro has more or less no support, and the results are visibly better than those achieved by Microsoft Word with Hebrew support ... Michael Ben-Gershon mybg@netvision.net.il -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 13 18:09:21 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA157642 for opro ; Tue, 13 Nov 101 18:09:20 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1005568901:20:06910:107; Mon, 12 Nov 2001 12:41:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2125213; 12 Nov 2001 12:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fACCcRd10201 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 12 Nov 2001 12:38:27 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (mta06-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.46]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fACCcON10198 for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2001 12:38:24 GMT Received: from m1003-mp1-cvx3a ([213.105.19.235]) by mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20011112123732.CBP22598.mta06-svc.ntlworld.com@m1003-mp1-cvx3a> for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2001 12:37:32 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Vanags To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 12:37:14 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: NetStation keyboard and OvationPro Message-ID: <4ad84161f8john.vanags@ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.03c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 11 Nov, John Sandford wrote: > I've just fitted a netstation IR Keyboard to my RiscPc and loading any > OvationPro docs even using new on V2.60 turns on the number lock and > stops it being turned off and on this keyboard that means 13 keys > produce the normal number keypad characters instead of the letters, > colons etc. > How can I fix this. In !OvnPro.AutoRun.!Custom add at the last line:- olesetup(1,0,0,0); keyboardmode(0); } A problem I once had. J Vanags -- _______________________________________ Internet access via Acorn RISC machines john.vanags@ntlworld.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 13 18:09:31 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA157646 for opro ; Tue, 13 Nov 101 18:09:26 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1005595745:20:26040:61; Mon, 12 Nov 2001 20:09:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2124451; 12 Nov 2001 20:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fACK81c11284 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 12 Nov 2001 20:08:01 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from hecate.chariot.net.au (IDENT:root@hecate.chariot.net.au [203.30.236.82]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fACK7sN11278 for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2001 20:07:54 GMT Received: from localhost (ad3-203-30-236-107.chariot.net.au [203.30.236.107]) by hecate.chariot.net.au (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id fACK6rW16783 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 06:36:54 +1030 Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 14:09:37 +1030 From: Peter Prewett To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Page guidlines Message-ID: <762910d84a.pprewett@chariot.net.au> References: <157573@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <157573@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.24) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <157573@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > >The margins when printed were not correct > > Describe how they were incorrect. Nothing wrong with the SW just that I had not made them large enough for binding all I wanted to do was to increase them and the SW (page guidelines) would not allow me to do so. > > >In chapter 2 The Default master frame was unticked which it should > >have been and the Mirror button was on and all the dimensions were 10mm > >except header and footer which I was not using. > > With no default frame I think mirror etc. have no effect. > > >chapter 2 above and changing the setting to do as I thought was for > >facing pages created an extra frame in the document I do not know where > >that had come from:-(( > > Perhaps you enabled the default frame. Now you have got me, I thought one had to have that ticked to allow the settings in that area to work. So I am not understanding how this works as I was expecting to edit the margins via the Page guidelines window. I have started from scratch and copied all the contents to the new document as this seemed to be the easiest option it also decreased the size of the document as well, from 7Mb to 5Mb!! I also found another chapter would not copy across as it reported that I did not have enough memory, looking at it was 25Mb, so I saved as a DDL file and reimported and now it is 600Kb a substantial drop and I could now import it successfully the buffer was only set to 160K. Cheers -- Peter Prewett, Coromandel Valley, South Australia -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 13 18:09:35 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA157648 for opro ; Tue, 13 Nov 101 18:09:32 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1005595750:20:26367:61; Mon, 12 Nov 2001 20:09:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2124636; 12 Nov 2001 20:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fACK80r11283 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 12 Nov 2001 20:08:00 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from hecate.chariot.net.au (IDENT:root@hecate.chariot.net.au [203.30.236.82]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fACK7sN11277 for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2001 20:07:54 GMT Received: from localhost (ad3-203-30-236-107.chariot.net.au [203.30.236.107]) by hecate.chariot.net.au (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id fACK6pW16774 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 06:36:52 +1030 Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 14:00:07 +1030 From: Peter Prewett To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Page guidlines Message-ID: <9d4a0fd84a.pprewett@chariot.net.au> References: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.24) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message you wrote: > In on Fri 09 Nov, Peter Prewett wrote: > > Thanks to David Pilling on help with setting up of double sided pages > > that I was having problems with. > > > > Now I am having difficulty in changing margins using Page guidelines. I > > set up the margins required in 3 different document and then merged them > > into one by using the copy and paste chapters facility. > > > > The margins when printed were not correct and I tried to change them by > > using Edit master pages and Page guidelines. > > > > Chapter 1 had my settings but chapter 2 and 3 did not and what is > > more did not agree with the display. > > > > In chapter 2 The Default master frame was unticked which it should > > have been and the Mirror button was on and all the dimensions were 10mm > > except header and footer which I was not using. > > I've not used the copy chapter facility but wonder - in the source document > were later chapters based on earlier chapters and the based-on feature is > over-riding the individual settings when pasted into the new document? >From what David said as I understand it is a straight copy and takes no attributes from the existing document. > > > In chapter 3 I wanted to change both the margins and the first page to > > be printed, it is a 2 page chapter and I wanted to have them facing each > > other ie. start on the left. First off I had the same display as > > chapter 2 above and changing the setting to do as I thought was for > > facing pages created an extra frame in the document I do not know where > > that had come from:-(( > > Where was the blank frame added - end of chapter 2, beginning of chaper 3 or > end of chapter 3? Behind the other 3 on the master page. > > If at the end of Chapter 2 is it necessary for a blank page so chapter 3 can > start on a left side page? I understand that after posting (I read the manual). > > If at the end of either chapter is there a newline at the end of the last > paragraph which will not fit the page so gets moved to the next (visually > blank) page? No all chapters were finished with plenty of space. > If at the beginning of chapter 3 is there a newpage character forcing the > first line of text over to page 2 of chapter 3? No > > To check the latter 2 situations you may need to switch on display of > invisible characters: Ctrl-I or Menu > View > Options (Shift-Ctrl-O) and > tick Invisibles. Thanks for thoughts. Cheers, -- Peter Prewett, Coromandel Valley, South Australia -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 13 18:10:09 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA157657 for opro ; Tue, 13 Nov 101 18:10:08 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1005489998:10:07249:62; Sun, 11 Nov 2001 14:46:38 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1007158; 11 Nov 2001 14:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fABEjiR08193 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 11 Nov 2001 14:45:44 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (mta06-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.46]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fABEjfN08189 for ; Sun, 11 Nov 2001 14:45:41 GMT Received: from Rpc ([213.107.176.128]) by mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20011111144502.CVR24643.mta06-svc.ntlworld.com@Rpc> for ; Sun, 11 Nov 2001 14:45:02 +0000 Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 14:43:09 GMT From: John Sandford To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: NetStation keyboard and OvationPro Message-ID: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.24) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I've just fitted a netstation IR Keyboard to my RiscPc and loading any OvationPro docs even using new on V2.60 turns on the number lock and stops it being turned off and on this keyboard that means 13 keys produce the normal number keypad characters instead of the letters, colons etc. How can I fix this. -- John Sandford West Herts UK Hemel Hempstead Risc OS User Group www.hhrug.org.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 13 18:10:12 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA157659 for opro ; Tue, 13 Nov 101 18:10:11 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1005508275:10:02125:61; Sun, 11 Nov 2001 19:51:15 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1105327; 11 Nov 2001 19:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fABJp3K08768 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 11 Nov 2001 19:51:03 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from scrabble.freeuk.net (scrabble.freeuk.net [212.126.144.6]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fABJp0N08765 for ; Sun, 11 Nov 2001 19:51:00 GMT Received: from du-002-0229.freeuk.com ([212.126.156.229] helo=freeuk) by scrabble.freeuk.net with smtp (Exim 3.12 #2) id 1630cT-000185-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 11 Nov 2001 19:50:18 +0000 Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 13:26:33 GMT From: Steve Fryatt To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: New web site design Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.24) POPstar/2.03 X-Editor: Zap 1.44 (24 Jul 2001) [TEST 7], ZapEmail 0.26 (14 Jun 2001) test-2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 11 Nov, in message Peter Gaunt wrote: > In on Thu 08 Nov, > David Pilling wrote: > > > I have had my web site redesigned. > > My one gripe is that under IE5.5 on a Mac the fixed width is about 4 > pixels too wide if I switch to an 800x600 display mode. Leads to a > disconcerting sort of wobble when clicking on links. It also makes resizing browser windows on RISC OS rather pointless. Apart from the fixed width it looks good, but I'd much prefer it to fill the available window. -- Steve Fryatt - Glasgow, Scotland http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 13 18:10:16 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA157661 for opro ; Tue, 13 Nov 101 18:10:14 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1005509800:10:11902:61; Sun, 11 Nov 2001 20:16:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1101000; 11 Nov 2001 20:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fABKGrp08885 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 11 Nov 2001 20:16:53 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from sand6.global.net.uk.noc.gxn.net (sand6.global.net.uk [195.147.246.105]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fABKGoN08882 for ; Sun, 11 Nov 2001 20:16:51 GMT Received: from p98s09a07.client.global.net.uk ([195.147.233.153] helo=margetts.globalnet.co.uk) by sand6.global.net.uk.noc.gxn.net with smtp (Exim 3.03 #1) id 16310S-0001XN-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 11 Nov 2001 20:15:05 +0000 Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 20:15:42 +0100 (BST) From: Peter Margetts Subject: New web site design To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id fABKGpN08883 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id fABKGrq08885 Hi David Very nice clean design. /pedant mode on Home page Paragraph 2, line 2, word 9. Remove apostrophe, possessive is 'its' (belonging to it) but contraction is it's (short for 'it is') I'm sure you know that, but those pesky "greengrocers' apostrophes" do materialise in the most unlikely locations. Yes, those are the apostrophes belonging to greengrocers plural, to forestall any arch-pedants out there.... ;-) /pedant mode off I have both Ovation Pro and David Pilling's scanning software and agree with the comments about both of them. I have received questions from my daughter's school=20 teachers as to what program she produced her projects on, as they were obviously more professional than the other (PC using) children's efforts. I think they thought that I had done them for her on a vastly expensive professional desktop publishing system. They were surprised that she used an Acorn machine and a program costing less than =A3150. It's not as if the projects were great works of art, bu= t the PC frame based alternatives are obviously not as capable or perhaps too complicated to use. Tee hee... Regards Pete --=20 Pete & Mitzi Margetts An oasis of Kiwi Kulture in the English Desert! =20 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 13 18:10:27 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA157665 for opro ; Tue, 13 Nov 101 18:10:22 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1005665372:20:04783:73; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 15:29:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2115209; 13 Nov 2001 15:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fADFOQL12882 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 15:24:26 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.148]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fADFOMN12879 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 15:24:23 GMT Received: from bghill.onetel.net.uk ([213.78.39.14]) by msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id ABK21026; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 15:23:07 GMT Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 16:26:18 +0000 (GMT) From: "Bernard G. Hill" Subject: RE: Booklet Printing To: Ovation Mail In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 09 Nov, Nick Kaijaks wrote: > > >>> Michael Hunter wrote: > >>> I was trying to print a 4 page booklet. > >>> I tried the 'Booklet' print option and chose the 'Use half section' > >>> option > >>> and a scale of 50%. > >> > >> At line 96 or so of my copy of !Imposit.Library.Booklet, it says > >> something > >> like: > >> > >> four=(prbooklet_halfsections) ? 0 :(paper<-4 && paper>0); > >> change this to: > >> four=(!prbooklet_halfsections) ? 0 :(paper<-4 && paper>0); // > >> invert logic > >> > > Thanks Nick for that - it now seems to work the way I expected and you > > intended. > > > > Michael > > I must be having one of those weeks... As Chris Manning has pointed out to > me, the last clause of that line will always evaluate to 0, since paper can > never be less than -4 *and* greater than 0 at the same time. > > I think I hit minus instead of equals; it should be: > > four=(!prbooklet_halfsections) ? 0 :(paper<=4 && paper>0); // third time > lucky > > Now I think this should still be the right logic for the menu, but I'm > getting paranoid here ;-) > I hesitate to say so for sure without being able to check it (I'm writing > this on a PC at work). Could some kind soul try it? > > Cheers, > Nick > Hi I have just tried the amended Imposit to print a greetings card which is folded to make what is effectively an eight page booklet, and it now prints out two correctly imposed sheets (only one is required) when 'use half-sections' is selected, and prints two separate pages, one with the front and back and the other with the inside pages head to head instead of side by side when 'use half-sections' is not selected. This is exactly the opposite to the result from the unchanged applet. Unfortunately the result is still two copies instead of one or incorrectly imposed pages. For the purpose just tried, no head margin is needed so I have also changed the line at the beginning of the same program file which read int prbookletgutter=1700; // 6mm to int prbookletgutter=0 // No gutter. Is it possible for this gutter or no gutter to be selected some other way than by changing the program each time? Many thanks for your help with this problem; I am completely incapable of doing any programming myself so I have to rely on people like you. Best wishes Bernard. > -- > Nick Kaijaks, Pinxit Design - Information Design for Internet and print > http://www.kaijaks.co.uk/ > mailto:nick@kaijaks.co.uk Disclaimer: caveat internettor > > > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message > > -- Bernard G. Hill Tel/Fax: 01633 880197 Zion, Church Road email: bghill@onetel.net.uk Undy, Caldicot NP26 3EN -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 13 18:10:28 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA157666 for opro ; Tue, 13 Nov 101 18:10:22 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1005516028:10:19734:62; Sun, 11 Nov 2001 22:00:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1117156; 11 Nov 2001 22:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fABM0rG09177 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 11 Nov 2001 22:00:53 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net ([212.159.14.225]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id fABM0oN09174 for ; Sun, 11 Nov 2001 22:00:50 GMT Received: (qmail 3579 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2001 21:59:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (212.159.20.99) by murphy.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Nov 2001 21:59:51 -0000 Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 21:49:03 +0000 (GMT) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: Tabs and Indents To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <0ac3d1d74a.jonkeates@tarazen.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Sun 11 Nov, Jon Keates wrote: > > Is this meant to happen like this ? > > Using a 2 col, A4 layout with bodytext Format set to : > > 0mm Left Indent > 0mm First Line Indent > Tab 25mm > > Import some text in the form : > > TAB
> > Fine, the
align at 25mm, but some lines have > details longer than 1col and start again at 0mm, so > > Change bodytext Format to : > > 10mm Left Indent > -10mm First Line Indent > Tab 25mm > > Now, with any longer than the Left Indent the >
align at 25mm, but, if the is less than the > Left Indent then the
align to the Left Indent ? > > It's not what I expected to happen A hanging indent (as you've set with left indent 10 and first line indent -10) always treats the indent as a tab (saves also having to set a tab at that position. Try 25mm and -25mm to follow your initial spacing and hang auto-wrapped lines within the
column. Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 13 18:10:53 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA157674 for opro ; Tue, 13 Nov 101 18:10:52 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1005583924:10:16444:66; Mon, 12 Nov 2001 16:52:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1015738; 12 Nov 2001 16:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fACGo9210873 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 12 Nov 2001 16:50:09 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (mta05-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.45]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fACGo6N10869 for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2001 16:50:06 GMT Received: from Rpc ([213.107.176.128]) by mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20011112164912.CKSM27379.mta05-svc.ntlworld.com@Rpc> for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2001 16:49:12 +0000 Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 16:42:07 GMT From: John Sandford To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: NetStation keyboard and OvationPro Message-ID: <7ccd57d84a.jms@ntlworld.com> References: <4ad84161f8john.vanags@ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: <4ad84161f8john.vanags@ntlworld.com> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.24) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <4ad84161f8john.vanags@ntlworld.com> John Vanags wrote: > On 11 Nov, John Sandford wrote: > > I've just fitted a netstation IR Keyboard to my RiscPc and loading any > > OvationPro docs even using new on V2.60 turns on the number lock and snipped > In !OvnPro.AutoRun.!Custom add at the last line:- > olesetup(1,0,0,0); > keyboardmode(0); > } > > > A problem I once had. > > J Vanags > Thanks very much. :-). -- John Sandford West Herts UK Hemel Hempstead Risc OS User Group www.hhrug.org.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 13 21:29:29 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA157694 for opro ; Tue, 13 Nov 101 21:29:26 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1005675204:11:04168:67; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 18:13:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1103450; 13 Nov 2001 18:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fADICeK13241 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 18:12:40 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net ([212.159.14.225]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id fADICbN13238 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 18:12:38 GMT Received: (qmail 14489 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2001 18:11:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (212.159.25.217) by murphy.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Nov 2001 18:11:24 -0000 Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 22:18:10 +0000 (GMT) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: Page guidlines To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <762910d84a.pprewett@chariot.net.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Mon 12 Nov, Peter Prewett wrote: > In message <157573@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > Perhaps you enabled the default frame. > Now you have got me, I thought one had to have that ticked to allow the > settings in that area to work. So I am not understanding how this works > as I was expecting to edit the margins via the Page guidelines window. You do, but watch out which chapter's margins you are editing. Open the Master Pages window and notice in the info palette which chapter you are in before opening the Page Guidelines window. When you close the Master pages window your changes are applied to your document. > I have started from scratch and copied all the contents to the new > document as this seemed to be the easiest option it also decreased the > size of the document as well, from 7Mb to 5Mb!! The easiest way to understand, not always the quickest (though it may be)... > I also found another chapter would not copy across as it reported that > I did not have enough memory, looking at it was 25Mb, so I saved as a > DDL file and reimported and now it is 600Kb a substantial drop and I > could now import it successfully the buffer was only set to 160K. ....and defintely worthwhile to save all that space. Had you been saving it with a massive undo buffer or something? I suggest you play with margins on a test document of only a few pages (if you can find the time!). The need to get a job done means you cannot always learn why what you are trying isn't doing what you expect - you have to find a way round to get it done. Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 13 21:29:35 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA157696 for opro ; Tue, 13 Nov 101 21:29:32 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1005675222:10:12775:63; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 18:13:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1010522; 13 Nov 2001 18:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fADICbb13237 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 18:12:37 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net ([212.159.14.225]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id fADICYN13234 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 18:12:34 GMT Received: (qmail 14449 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2001 18:11:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (212.159.25.217) by murphy.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Nov 2001 18:11:20 -0000 Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 22:08:28 +0000 (GMT) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: Page guidlines To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <9d4a0fd84a.pprewett@chariot.net.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Mon 12 Nov, Peter Prewett wrote: > In message you wrote: > > > > Where was the blank frame added - end of chapter 2, beginning of chaper 3 > > or end of chapter 3? > Behind the other 3 on the master page. Am I understanding correctly - you have 4 master pages for 3 chapters? If this is what you've got one of the chapters (but only one) is set for double sided with margins for left and right hand pages, the other 2 chapters are using exactly the same for left and right pages. Apoligies if I'm missing what you're saying. Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 14 00:35:10 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA157710 for opro ; Wed, 14 Nov 101 00:35:05 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1005690812:20:21332:63; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 22:33:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2020623; 13 Nov 2001 22:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fADMXEe13738 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 22:33:14 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fADMXCN13735 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 22:33:12 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 163m64-0006Sl-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 22:32:01 +0000 Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 22:22:14 GMT Message-Id: <157705@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Page guidlines X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >> >In chapter 2 The Default master frame was unticked which it should >> >have been and the Mirror button was on and all the dimensions were 10mm >> With no default frame I think mirror etc. have no effect. >> >chapter 2 above and changing the setting to do as I thought was for >> >facing pages created an extra frame in the document I do not know where >> Perhaps you enabled the default frame. >Now you have got me, I thought one had to have that ticked to allow the >settings in that area to work. Correct. I misinterpreted what you wrote. Perhaps after the changes you made, OPro failed to recognise the existing default frame as such, that would be why the button was unticked and why it then created another frame. It might be useful to know that the default frames are nothing special you can always create the same effects by hand. Just directly manipulate the frames on the master pages. >document as this seemed to be the easiest option it also decreased the >size of the document as well, from 7Mb to 5Mb!! >DDL file and reimported and now it is 600Kb a substantial drop and I >could now import it successfully the buffer was only set to 160K. If you've found a genuine memory leak (and a way to demonstrate it) that would be most interesting. However there are obvious things like flushing the undo buffer (min memory, misc menu), and I have seen people get into a loop where they keep embedding pictures which promptly vanish off the end of the text flow, so they embed them again, and again... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 14 19:41:11 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA157738 for opro ; Wed, 14 Nov 101 19:41:09 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1005764565:20:12298:103; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 19:02:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2123911; 14 Nov 2001 18:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fAEI7lV15383 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 18:07:47 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fAEI7iN15380 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 18:07:44 GMT Received: from [62.188.143.68] (helo=62.188.143.68) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1644GV-0004Nw-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 17:56:03 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "charles.hope" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 16:46:02 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: New web site design Message-ID: <4ad95fd506charles.hope@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.02e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 11 Nov, Peter Margetts wrote: > I'm sure you know that, but those pesky "greengrocers' > apostrophes" do materialise in the most unlikely locations. > Yes, those are the apostrophes belonging to greengrocers plural, > to forestall any arch-pedants out there.... ;-) And it's not just greengrocers that get their apostrophies in the wrong place. How about "Citizen's Charter" - which citizen is the one to benefit and "Passenger's Charter" - to which the same comment applies! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 14 19:41:14 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA157739 for opro ; Wed, 14 Nov 101 19:41:12 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1005765016:20:17176:272; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 19:10:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2013857; 14 Nov 2001 18:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fAEIcLr15516 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 18:38:21 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fAEIcJN15512 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 18:38:19 GMT Received: from tarazen.demon.co.uk ([193.237.156.226] helo=tarazen) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 1644u9-0009tC-0Y for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 18:36:57 +0000 Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 17:10:18 GMT From: Jon Keates To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Tabs and Indents Message-ID: <070e62d94a.jonkeates@tarazen.demon.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Just as it comes User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 X-Editor: StrongEd 4.63 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message Anthony Hilton once upon a time wrote : > A hanging indent (as you've set with left indent 10 and first line indent > -10) always treats the indent as a tab (saves also having to set a tab at > that position. > > Try 25mm and -25mm to follow your initial spacing and hang auto-wrapped lines > within the
column. > yes thats what I thought, set the same works fine but it's not what I want to achieve 8-( cheers -- Jon -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 14 21:37:33 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA157741 for opro ; Wed, 14 Nov 101 21:37:31 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1005767992:20:07351:61; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 19:59:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2125246; 14 Nov 2001 19:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fAEK0c315714 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 20:00:38 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from hecate.chariot.net.au (IDENT:root@hecate.chariot.net.au [203.30.236.82]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fAEK0XN15711 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 20:00:33 GMT Received: from localhost (ad3-203-30-236-110.chariot.net.au [203.30.236.110]) by hecate.chariot.net.au (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id fAEJx3W13733 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 06:29:05 +1030 Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 06:33:53 +1030 From: Peter Prewett To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Page guidlines Message-ID: <5c1ceed84a.pprewett@chariot.net.au> References: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.24) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: [big snip] > > > I also found another chapter would not copy across as it reported that > > I did not have enough memory, looking at it was 25Mb, so I saved as a > > DDL file and reimported and now it is 600Kb a substantial drop and I > > could now import it successfully the buffer was only set to 160K. > > ...and defintely worthwhile to save all that space. Had you been saving it > with a massive undo buffer or something? It was only a 2 page document with pictures only and the buffer was 160K. Cheers -- Peter Prewett, Coromandel Valley, South Australia -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 14 21:37:35 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA157740 for opro ; Wed, 14 Nov 101 21:37:31 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1005768512:10:09526:63; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 20:08:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1110546; 14 Nov 2001 20:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fAEK9O815804 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 20:09:24 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from imailg3.svr.pol.co.uk (imailg3.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.181]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fAEK9LN15801 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 20:09:21 GMT Received: from modem-125.connecticut.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.58.125] helo=beeston12) by imailg3.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 1646KE-0008HS-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 20:07:59 +0000 Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 20:06:29 +0000 From: Robin Phillips To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Applying colour to a line drawing in OvPro Message-ID: <442f72d94a%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> X-Organization: home X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.68 User-Agent: POPstar/2.03 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Dear colleagues, I am trying to design a letterheading in Ovation Pro, and have a series of transparent frames on the screen, with Text flow set to No run-around. I have succeeded in positioning 5 lines of lettering, and on the right of the page is a frame (as above) which has 1 Draw file in it, i.e. the logo for this society. I am wanting to put 2 lines of lettering + the logo in red. The lettering I have done, using Text> Colour> and using the colour picker. The Draw file I have not managed to change into the right colour. Object> Modify only gives me an option for changing the background colour. Picture> Modify picture> gives no access to any changes of colour. I have gone back to the original file in Draw and change its colour there, then imported it into the design. So I can now see what the changes look like. Is this the correct approach? Is there no way INSIDE Ovation Pro of changing the colour of this file in its frame? Thanks in advance, Robin. -- Robin Phillips, 1, Newcastle Avenue, Beeston, Notts., NG9 1BT; Phone: +44 (0)115 922 4930 E-mail: rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From eddonnelly@freeuk.com Wed Nov 14 21:37:38 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA157742 for opro ; Wed, 14 Nov 101 21:37:36 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1005770003:20:09746:0; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 20:33:23 GMT Received: from gadolinium.btinternet.com ([194.73.73.111]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2009688; 14 Nov 2001 20:33 GMT Received: from host213-122-222-71.btinternet.com ([213.122.222.71] helo=btinternet.com) by gadolinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #6) id 1646ih-0005iL-00 for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 20:33:15 +0000 Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 20:30:07 GMT From: Ed Donnelly To: opro@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: Applying colour to a line drawing in OvPro Message-ID: <325974d94a.eddonnelly@freeuk.com> References: <442f72d94a%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <442f72d94a%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> X-Organization: You must be joking User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Low, in message <442f72d94a%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> Robin Phillips did write: > Dear colleagues, [...] > I have gone back to the original file in Draw and change its colour > there, then imported it into the design. So I can now see what the > changes look like. > > Is this the correct approach? Is there no way INSIDE Ovation Pro of > changing the colour of this file in its frame? Picture > Process gives you all sorts of options for colouring images in OvationPro, probably the most simple way to do it is to tick "Duotone" then set the lower and upper colours to the shade of red you want. Failing that, play around with the top half of the window - it houses some very powerful options for picture manipulation. HTH, Ed From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 14 21:37:39 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA157743 for opro ; Wed, 14 Nov 101 21:37:36 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1005769602:11:20944:62; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 20:26:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1120877; 14 Nov 2001 20:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fAEKRaR15905 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 20:27:36 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from blueyonder.co.uk (pcow024o.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.53.126]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fAEKRYN15902 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 20:27:34 GMT Received: from pcow024m.blueyonder.co.uk ([127.0.0.1]) by blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Wed, 14 Nov 2001 20:26:12 +0000 Received: from goatly (unverified) by pcow024m.blueyonder.co.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.5) with SMTP id for In-Reply-To: <4ad95fd506charles.hope@argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: Perfect Page X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b User-Agent: POPstar/2.01b12 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <4ad95fd506charles.hope@argonet.co.uk> Charles Hope wrote: > And it's not just greengrocers that get their apostrophies in the wrong > place. > > How about "Citizen's Charter" - which citizen is the one to benefit > > and "Passenger's Charter" - to which the same comment applies! Off-topic for the list, I know, but only brief... I don't have much of a problem with the former, as it is presumably referring to the rights or responsibilities of the individual and so is properly singular. The latter strikes me as merely imitative and irritating, so I'm with you on that one. Oh, it's 'apostrophe', by the way. Bruce -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 14 21:37:46 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA157745 for opro ; Wed, 14 Nov 101 21:37:45 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1005772614:20:12894:64; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 21:16:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2103927; 14 Nov 2001 21:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fAELHC916048 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 21:17:12 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from smtp03.wxs.nl (smtp03.wxs.nl [195.121.6.37]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fAELH9N16044 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 21:17:09 GMT Received: from delink.planet.nl ([195.121.161.193]) by smtp03.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GMT72401.9U3 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 22:15:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 22:15:37 +0100 Subject: Applying colour to a line drawing in OvPro Message-ID: <4ad9788386paul@delink.nl> In-Reply-To: <442f72d94a%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> References: <442f72d94a%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > Picture> Modify picture gives no access to any changes of colour. Picture > Process Choose Duotone for monochrome handling, or any of the other opitons for full colour handling. Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 15 01:40:03 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA157748 for opro ; Thu, 15 Nov 101 01:40:00 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1005773708:20:04827:62; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 21:35:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2103463; 14 Nov 2001 21:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fAELZrE16146 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 21:35:53 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fAELZoN16140 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 21:35:50 GMT Received: from [62.188.132.140] (helo=62.188.132.140) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1647Vv-00046x-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 21:24:08 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: David H Wild To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 20:10:10 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: New web site design Message-ID: <4ad972854bdhwild@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4ad95fd506charles.hope@argonet.co.uk> References: <4ad95fd506charles.hope@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.24) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4ad95fd506charles.hope@argonet.co.uk>, charles.hope wrote: > And it's not just greengrocers that get their apostrophies in the wrong > place. > How about "Citizen's Charter" - which citizen is the one to benefit > and "Passenger's Charter" - to which the same comment applies! I think that these two are probably right. It's rather like the shop that advertises "everything for the fisherman", with the implication that it is for **any** fisherman. -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / Acorn StrongArm Risc_PC | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ dhwild@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 15 13:29:01 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA157759 for opro ; Thu, 15 Nov 101 13:28:59 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1005817528:20:15272:73; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 09:45:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2122501; 15 Nov 2001 9:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fAF9j2S16928 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 09:45:02 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from oceanus.uk.clara.net (oceanus.uk.clara.net [195.8.69.15]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fAF9ixN16925 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 09:44:59 GMT Received: from du-022-0019.claranet.co.uk ([212.126.132.19] helo=williamlack.clara.net) by oceanus.uk.clara.net with smtp (Exim 3.22 #4) id 164J3R-000Dkb-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 09:43:30 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: William Lack To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 08:53:14 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Referenced pictures Message-ID: <4ad9b861b0williamlack@clara.net> In-Reply-To: <157110@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <157110@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.03) Content-Type: text/plain X-RBL-Warning: (relays.osirusoft.com) Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <157110@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > It is not perfect at spotting that files have been changed. Clearly > if you've not made a proxy image, then it definitely will have to load > the new picture from disc. Would it be possible to have a 'refresh' option to update referenced pictures which have been changed and which OvPro doesn't realise have been changed? -- William Lack --------------------- williamlack@clara.net County Series: http://home.clara.net/williamlack/index.htm -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 15 14:59:35 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA157774 for opro ; Thu, 15 Nov 101 14:59:33 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1005834550:10:01836:73; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 14:29:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1001195; 15 Nov 2001 14:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fAFESe517530 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 14:28:40 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fAFEScN17527 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 14:28:38 GMT Received: from snave.demon.co.uk ([158.152.89.120]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 164NTk-000GYq-0V for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 14:27:02 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jack Evans To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 14:13:18 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Referenced pictures Message-ID: <4ad9d5af37jack@snave.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4ad9b861b0williamlack@clara.net> References: <157110@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4ad9b861b0williamlack@clara.net> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <4ad9b861b0williamlack@clara.net>, William Lack wrote: > In article <157110@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling > wrote: > > It is not perfect at spotting that files have been changed. Clearly > > if you've not made a proxy image, then it definitely will have to > > load the new picture from disc. > Would it be possible to have a 'refresh' option to update referenced > pictures which have been changed and which OvPro doesn't realise have > been changed? If this refers to what I think it does, I would certainly support this request. Recently I was collaborating on a book project involving 250 plus B&W scanned pictures, with me responsible for overall design and layout and 'the other party' the graphics, work on which was done on his machine, and the combined job transferred betwen us as work progressed. Initially the fact that his HD and mine have different names - thus creating different pathnames for the referenced pictures - was no great problem, as I assembled them with the text piecemeal as they came in: it was just a matter of changing a few pathnames to the macro form {filepath}.^.whichpic. However, the final version of the book was produced on his machine and the CD for the printers made from that. Unfortunately, now I cannot view the text and graphics on my machine without individually converting each of the graphic filenames to the macro form. Or is there a simple way to do it en masse? Regards Jack -- Jack Evans Bristol UK mailto:jack@snave.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 16 01:35:59 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA157786 for opro ; Fri, 16 Nov 101 01:35:56 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1005850131:10:02923:76; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 18:48:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1002793; 15 Nov 2001 18:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fAFInji18181 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 18:49:45 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (mta06-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.46]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fAFIngN18178 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 18:49:43 GMT Received: from RiscPC ([62.255.159.29]) by mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20011115184806.ISK15871.mta06-svc.ntlworld.com@RiscPC> for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 18:48:06 +0000 Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 18:49:17 GMT From: Pete Bready To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Referenced pictures Message-ID: References: <157110@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4ad9b861b0williamlack@clara.net> <4ad9d5af37jack@snave.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4ad9d5af37jack@snave.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.24) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <4ad9d5af37jack@snave.demon.co.uk> Jack Evans wrote: > However, the final version of the book was produced on his machine and > the CD for the printers made from that. Unfortunately, now I cannot view > the text and graphics on my machine without individually converting each > of the graphic filenames to the macro form. Or is there a simple way to > do it en masse? > > Regards > > Jack Save as DDL, then use !Edit search/replace, or am I completely missing your point?? -- Pete Bready pbready@ntlworld.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 16 01:35:59 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA157787 for opro ; Fri, 16 Nov 101 01:35:56 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1005836727:20:25506:75; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 15:05:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2106889; 15 Nov 2001 15:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fAFF0v217653 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 15:00:57 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fAFF0tN17650 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 15:00:55 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 164NxW-0008LI-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 14:57:42 +0000 Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 13:54:24 GMT Message-Id: <157772@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Referenced pictures X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Would it be possible to have a 'refresh' option to update referenced >pictures which have been changed and which OvPro doesn't realise have been >changed? Yes. That wouldn't be a bad idea. The current situation isn't right, OPro should probably look at time stamps on files and update as needed. At the time I wrote it I felt I was walking a line between making things too slow (absurd case reload the picture every time you display it) and being sensitive to changes (it has to do some clever stuff when mail merge is going on). The result is something that is too optimised and not sensitive enough. Probably looming in my mind was the situation of networked machines or machines with file system buffering messed up where looking at the time stamp on a file can be a long job. (the 'why does ArcFax bring my machine to a grinding halt' scenario). David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 16 01:36:09 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA157791 for opro ; Fri, 16 Nov 101 01:36:05 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1005861983:10:01103:61; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 22:06:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1106486; 15 Nov 2001 22:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fAFM6xw18598 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 22:06:59 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net ([212.159.14.227]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id fAFM6uN18593 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 22:06:56 GMT Received: (qmail 8906 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2001 22:05:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (212.159.20.148) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 15 Nov 2001 22:05:08 -0000 Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 20:29:18 +0000 (GMT) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: Referenced pictures To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <157784@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Thu 15 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > > > >If this refers to what I think it does > > I don't think it does... > > >the text and graphics on my machine without individually converting each > >of the graphic filenames to the macro form. > > Might be reasonable to offer a another button which made all the paths > relative. I'd second that. Relative paths for references pictures and text made the setting up of a document with about 20 double-spreads with same layout for different content very efficient and when te statisticia changed a chart or th commentator changed the text a re-print of the page/spread/document always had the current version. Referenced text - did you notice that - with style tags which when imported each paragraph was set to the relevant style. The bit that is not yet (that I'm aware of) under discussion for OPro is the ability to combine multiple OPro documents to make a single publication with page numbering flowing, indexing across all documents and the ability to control printing of all from one. (The project described above was done in 1996 using PageMaker 5 under Win 3.11 on a 486) Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 16 01:36:12 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA157792 for opro ; Fri, 16 Nov 101 01:36:10 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1005849553:20:12936:231; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 18:39:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ac2116038; 15 Nov 2001 18:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fAFIBod18005 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 18:11:50 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from mail3.svr.pol.co.uk (mail3.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.19]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fAFIBiN18001 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 18:11:48 GMT Received: from modem-242.oxygen.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.7.242] helo=beeston12) by mail3.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 164Qxk-000186-00; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 18:10:08 +0000 Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 16:42:06 +0000 From: Robin Phillips To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Cc: paul@delink.nl Subject: Re: Applying colour to a line drawing in OvPro Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4ad9788386paul@delink.nl> X-Organization: home X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.68 User-Agent: POPstar/2.03 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Dear Paul and colleagues, In message <4ad9788386paul@delink.nl> wrote: > > > Picture> Modify picture gives no access to any changes of colour. > > Picture > Process > Choose Duotone for monochrome handling, or any of the other opitons for > full colour handling. > > Paul Sprangers Thank you very much. This works, and I've now done the alterations I needed. But where can one find this information through searching in the index? I certainly could not find it under Colour... Many thanks, Robin. -- Robin Phillips, 1, Newcastle Avenue, Beeston, Notts., NG9 1BT; Phone: +44 (0)115 922 4930 E-mail: rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 16 01:36:20 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA157796 for opro ; Fri, 16 Nov 101 01:36:18 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1005850678:20:10320:178; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 18:57:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2104970; 15 Nov 2001 18:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fAFIeJJ18143 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 18:40:19 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fAFIeHN18140 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 18:40:17 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 164RPO-000E6S-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 18:38:43 +0000 Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 18:37:01 GMT Message-Id: <157784@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Referenced pictures X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R >If this refers to what I think it does I don't think it does... >the text and graphics on my machine without individually converting each >of the graphic filenames to the macro form. Might be reasonable to offer a another button which made all the paths relative. >Or is there a simple way to do it en masse? Save the doc as DDL and use a clever text editor on it, then reload? David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 16 01:36:34 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA157802 for opro ; Fri, 16 Nov 101 01:36:32 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1005864787:20:16030:62; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 22:53:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2015343; 15 Nov 2001 22:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fAFMruT18721 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 22:53:56 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from cmailg7.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg7.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.177]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fAFMrrN18718 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 22:53:53 GMT Received: from modem-37.dextromethorphn.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.90.165] helo=orchard-way) by cmailg7.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 164VMl-0006Qh-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 22:52:16 +0000 Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 22:34:33 GMT From: Alan Adams To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Referenced pictures Message-ID: <5d9303da4a.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> References: <157110@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4ad9b861b0williamlack@clara.net> In-Reply-To: <4ad9b861b0williamlack@clara.net> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10 (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <4ad9b861b0williamlack@clara.net> you wrote: > In article <157110@pilling.demon.co.uk>, > David Pilling wrote: > > > It is not perfect at spotting that files have been changed. Clearly > > if you've not made a proxy image, then it definitely will have to load > > the new picture from disc. > > Would it be possible to have a 'refresh' option to update referenced > pictures which have been changed and which OvPro doesn't realise have been > changed? While we're at it, can OPro handle missing referenced pictures in a slightly more friendly fashion? I recently restructured my picture collection (under a few directories so I could make CD backups), and broke all my old OPro documents. The symptons are error messages while opening the document, and then a zero width and height document on screen. (OPro 2.60) The current fix is to save as DDL from the zero size window, and edit the paths to correct the restructuring. (Or of course to reverse the rearrangement which caused the problem.) At least you *can* save from the window. Would it be possible to draw empty frames where the pictures should be? (And even better add a way to relink to the pictures - browse or something?) -- Alan Adams alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 16 14:03:35 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA157837 for opro ; Fri, 16 Nov 101 14:03:33 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1005876733:20:14321:64; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 02:12:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2014108; 16 Nov 2001 2:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fAG2D7119106 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 02:13:07 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fAG2D4N19099 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 02:13:04 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 164YTV-0006Ub-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 02:11:25 +0000 Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 01:41:53 GMT Message-Id: <157808@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Referenced pictures X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >The bit that is not yet (that I'm aware of) under discussion for OPro is the >ability to combine multiple OPro documents Not discussed maybe, but an obvious idea if you have had to handle something like the Ovation Pro manual - as I did. >While we're at it, can OPro handle missing referenced pictures in a slightly >more friendly fashion? The trick is to disable the display of pictures View->options. Then you can at least go around and reset the paths. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 16 14:04:10 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA157848 for opro ; Fri, 16 Nov 101 14:04:08 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1005876731:10:05967:63; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 02:12:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1100673; 16 Nov 2001 2:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fAG2D9r19107 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 02:13:09 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fAG2D5N19103 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 02:13:05 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 164YTX-0006Ub-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 02:11:27 +0000 Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 01:44:53 GMT Message-Id: <157810@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Applying colour to a line drawing in OvPro X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >But where can one find this information through searching in the index? Under 'duotone' or 'image processing'. A bit like dictionaries only being of use if you know how to spell words. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 16 14:04:16 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA157849 for opro ; Fri, 16 Nov 101 14:04:13 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1005876732:10:06064:61; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 02:12:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1100738; 16 Nov 2001 2:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fAG2DJo19112 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 02:13:20 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fAG2DHN19109 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 02:13:17 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 164YTi-0006Ub-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 02:11:38 +0000 Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 01:51:44 GMT Message-Id: <157818@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Bug warnings X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, Let me spread some bad news... One bug which just came to light is that if you have the 'Check for missing fonts' option set in Ovation Pro Picture choices then under some circumstances the program will crash when loading a document. Easy workaround, deselect the option. I've fixed the bug. Another one (thanks to Mike Williams) is that if you're using a PostScript printer, and the printer driver is set up to have colour disabled, and you print a colour image (24 bits), seemingly the full range of shades is not used. Instead of 256 it looks more like 32. You can see the problem by using GhostScript set up for 16 million colours and using a 16 million colour screen mode to view the output. Since the problem also occurs with Draw I assume it is something odd in the RISC OS printer driver system. One might assume that enabling colour on the PS driver would be a fix, alas that conflicts with the need to keep it switched off to avoid problems with masked images. Although the problem is not present for grey scale images, it happens that separations are printed using 24 bit colour. Impression does not have this problem, I presume it grey scales output before rendering it if the printer is not colour enabled. Anything you see on screen in OPro has any no bearing on this problem. I spent a lot of time yesterday thinking that OPro's on screen displays lacked brightness levels. They don't - in a 32K colour mode, Draw and Impression use some dithering. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 16 14:08:29 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA157867 for opro ; Fri, 16 Nov 101 14:08:28 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1005909245:20:08360:66; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 11:14:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2007686; 16 Nov 2001 11:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fAGBBR120012 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 11:11:27 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from smtp05.wxs.nl (smtp05.wxs.nl [195.121.6.57]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fAGBBON20009 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 11:11:24 GMT Received: from delink.planet.nl ([195.121.162.31]) by smtp05.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GMW4BZ01.ASQ for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 12:09:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 12:06:00 +0100 Subject: Pictures (referenced) Message-ID: <4ada485f9dpaul@delink.nl> In-Reply-To: <4ad9b861b0williamlack@clara.net> References: <157110@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4ad9b861b0williamlack@clara.net> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Talking about referenced pictures... I very much would like to be able to flip a picture horizontally or vertically (like in Paint). Currently I have to do this in Draw or Paint and then reload the picture. When working with referenced pictures, this involves two copies of the same picture (but flipped) on your hard disc. Is it possible to add picture flipping? Kind regards, Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 16 14:08:40 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA157870 for opro ; Fri, 16 Nov 101 14:08:37 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1005915310:20:18232:94; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 12:55:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2018469; 16 Nov 2001 12:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fAGCsnS20368 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 12:54:49 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from blueyonder.co.uk (pcow024o.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.53.126]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fAGCsjN20365 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 12:54:45 GMT Received: from pcow024m.blueyonder.co.uk ([127.0.0.1]) by blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Fri, 16 Nov 2001 12:53:02 +0000 Received: from riscpc.workgroup (unverified) by pcow024m.blueyonder.co.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.5) with SMTP id for In-Reply-To: <157784@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <157784@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <157784@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >Or is there a simple way to do it en masse? > Save the doc as DDL and use a clever text editor on it, then reload? Here lie some problems...particularily with projects such as Jack Evans mentioned. The book he writes about accesses some 170MB of pictures - all jpegs - whilst the text plus proxy images is some 40MB. The obvious solution to Jack's problem, if I read him right he simply wants to be able to access the pictures on his machine from the OPro file, would be for me ('the other party' involved) to generate the file with the addresses to the graphics files 'relative' rather than 'absolute' prior to sending the files to him. This is what the 'Collect Referenced Pictures' is all about. This system worked well until the book file approached 40MB and then things went wrong. Amongst other problems encountered it became no longer possible to relatively address all the pictures as the file in question started to hold two filepaths for each picture, one relative and one absolute - guess which was the dominant path! So follow the DDL route...but... When saved as a DDL file any proxy pictures are lost and all that remains within the file is the reference filepath which can be quite easily edited as mentioned above. If one tries to load the DDL file created, now some 1.2MB in size, it will load quite happily but with the pictures turned off (even though the View->Options->Picture button remains ticked). Any subsequent attempt to turn the pictures on (which Jack would like to do to see them) results in OPro crashing presumably as it is being asked to suddenly hold a file in memory some 200+Mb in size. As all the jpegs are converted into an uncompressed form when held in memory it is not unreasonable to assume that the file thus generated would be in excess of 400MB (as a PostScript Type 1 file it was 412MB). The proper answer is, maybe, one of two things - a machine with enough memory, for argument let's say 512MB, or some form of virtual memory handling in OPro. Personally I would like both, please! > >the text and graphics on my machine without individually converting each > >of the graphic filenames to the macro form. > Might be reasonable to offer a another button which made all the paths > relative. A third solution might be to have a second button which would, in addition to the above, re-proxy the images en-masse prior to displaying them. Maybe even any 'Out of Memory' errors could be trapped and any images re-proxied until the doc fits in memory. I don't know how many users have experience of using OPro with documents of this size - it would be interesting to hear - but the feeling I retain about OPro and documents of the size mentioned above is 'Here be Dragons'... -- tony cropper bristol uk Email: tony@cropp.demon.co.uk Web: http://www.cropp.demon.co.uk/ BARUG: http://www.snave.demon.co.uk/BARUG/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 16 14:08:50 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA157873 for opro ; Fri, 16 Nov 101 14:08:49 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1005916378:20:09846:102; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 13:12:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2106505; 16 Nov 2001 13:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fAGCx4f20407 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 12:59:04 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from smtp-server.nlr.nl (spider.nlr.nl [137.17.80.200]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fAGCx1N20404 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 12:59:01 GMT Received: from nararch (nararch.nlr.nl [137.17.168.66]) by smtp-server.nlr.nl (8.11.6/8.11.6/NLR 24/01/2001) with SMTP id fAGCvEK1098218; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 13:57:14 +0100 (CET) Disclaimer: "The National Aerospace Laboratory NLR DOES NOT ACCEPT ANY FINANCIAL COMMITMENT derived from this message." Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 13:56:27 +0100 From: "F.R. Polak" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Pictures (referenced) Message-ID: <557c52da4a.polak@nararch.nlr.nl> References: <157110@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4ad9b861b0williamlack@clara.net> <4ada485f9dpaul@delink.nl> In-Reply-To: <4ada485f9dpaul@delink.nl> X-Organization: National Aerospace Laboratory NLR User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.24) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message dated 16 Nov 16 Nov 2001 paul@delink.nl wrote: > > Talking about referenced pictures... > > I very much would like to be able to flip a picture horizontally or > vertically (like in Paint). > Currently I have to do this in Draw or Paint and then reload the picture. Have you thought about OLE? Just double click on the picture with Ctrl held down. Then the picture loads into Draw (or Paint for that matter) and can be easily rotated. Hit F3 + Return and the rotated picture is saved back into OvPro. Regards, Frit -- Frits R. Polak National Aerospace Laboratory (NLR), Amsterdam Airports Department phone : +31-(0)20-5113543; fax: +31-(0)20-5113210 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 16 14:08:54 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA157874 for opro ; Fri, 16 Nov 101 14:08:52 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1005916379:20:08014:111; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 13:12:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2026324; 16 Nov 2001 13:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fAGCxT220423 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 12:59:29 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from cmailg6.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg6.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.176]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fAGCxRN20420 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 12:59:27 GMT Received: from modem-198.lithium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.2.198] helo=beeston12) by cmailg6.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 164j1N-000684-00; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 13:27:05 +0000 Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 12:57:23 +0000 From: Robin Phillips To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Applying colour to a line drawing in OvPro Message-ID: <309252da4a%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <157810@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: home X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.68 User-Agent: POPstar/2.03 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <157810@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > >But where can one find this information through searching in the index? > > Under 'duotone' or 'image processing'. > > A bit like dictionaries only being of use if you know how to spell words. > David Pilling While we are discussing deficiencies in the Manual, which of course can reveal themselves as deficiencies in the thinking of people like myself who try to USE the manual (!!) I wonder if I could make a very general point about the documentation? One day no doubt (in the hopes of all who use OvPro) it will all be fully revised and perfectly indexed. But the basic format would be MUCH better as single column, instead of retaining the original two column style adopted when the only available manual was the printed version. Anyone scrolling down the present version on screen (I suspect only the minority will print it out) finds the two column format quite awkward, when it comes to looking for page numbers etc. It is not surprising that it retains the format of a book, but if we accept that most people will use it on screen rather than print it on paper all sorts of facilities become possible. As a retired librarian I find the possibilities of hyper-links fascinating. Beware! The need for professional indexing is NOT removed, any more than the need for page numbers of some sort, but transformed instead into something on a different level for the user. Others no doubt have more experience of what can be done in this way. I just mention the question NOT to gripe about the present manual but to point out the possibilities. Yours sincerely, Robin (who would NEVER have thought of looking under Duotone for Colour!) -- Robin Phillips, 1, Newcastle Avenue, Beeston, Notts., NG9 1BT; Phone: +44 (0)115 922 4930 E-mail: rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 16 17:29:09 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA157893 for opro ; Fri, 16 Nov 101 17:29:08 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1005923009:20:28560:75; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 15:03:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2027823; 16 Nov 2001 14:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fAGEd0i20863 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 14:39:00 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from smtp05.wxs.nl (smtp05.wxs.nl [195.121.6.57]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fAGEcvN20860 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 14:38:57 GMT Received: from delink.planet.nl ([195.121.163.146]) by smtp05.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GMWDXU01.LF8 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 15:37:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 15:37:04 +0100 Subject: Flipping pictures (referenced) Message-ID: <4ada5bb24bpaul@delink.nl> In-Reply-To: <557c52da4a.polak@nararch.nlr.nl> References: <157110@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4ad9b861b0williamlack@clara.net> <4ada485f9dpaul@delink.nl> <557c52da4a.polak@nararch User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > Have you thought about OLE? Just double click on the picture with Ctrl > held down. Then the picture loads into Draw (or Paint for that matter) > and can be easily rotated. Hit F3 + Return and the rotated picture is > saved back into OvPro. Yes, but then the hard disc holds the flipped picture, rather than the original one. And what if you need both? I still opt for a flip button. Kind regards, Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 16 17:29:20 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA157896 for opro ; Fri, 16 Nov 101 17:29:18 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1005930392:20:09176:383; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 17:06:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ac2104685; 16 Nov 2001 16:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fAGG0IV21261 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 16:00:18 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from smtp-server.nlr.nl (spider.nlr.nl [137.17.80.200]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fAGG0FN21258 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 16:00:15 GMT Received: from nararch (nararch.nlr.nl [137.17.168.66]) by smtp-server.nlr.nl (8.11.6/8.11.6/NLR 24/01/2001) with SMTP id fAGFwRK1272793; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 16:58:27 +0100 (CET) Disclaimer: "The National Aerospace Laboratory NLR DOES NOT ACCEPT ANY FINANCIAL COMMITMENT derived from this message." Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 16:58:00 +0100 From: "F.R. Polak" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Flipping pictures (referenced) Message-ID: <201b63da4a.polak@nararch.nlr.nl> References: <157110@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4ad9b861b0williamlack@clara.net> <4ada485f9dpaul@delink.nl> <557c52da4a.polak@nararch <4ada5bb24bpaul@delink.nl> In-Reply-To: <4ada5bb24bpaul@delink.nl> X-Organization: National Aerospace Laboratory NLR User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.24) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message dated 16 Nov 16 Nov 2001 paul@delink.nl wrote: > > > Have you thought about OLE? Just double click on the picture with Ctrl > > held down. Then the picture loads into Draw (or Paint for that matter) > > and can be easily rotated. Hit F3 + Return and the rotated picture is > > saved back into OvPro. > > Yes, but then the hard disc holds the flipped picture, rather than the > original one. And what if you need both? No, that is not necessarily true. Normally one adds a picture by dragging a say, drawfile to a OvPro frame. If you do the OLE trick on it, the copy within the document is loaded into !Draw and then modified and subsequently re-saved into the document. The original Drawfile remains untouched in this way on your harddisc, so you have effectively both. > I still opt for a flip button. That remains a nice option, of course! Cheers, Frits -- Frits R. Polak National Aerospace Laboratory (NLR), Amsterdam Airports Department phone : +31-(0)20-5113543; fax: +31-(0)20-5113210 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 16 17:29:46 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA157897 for opro ; Fri, 16 Nov 101 17:29:45 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1005923035:10:15898:65; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 15:03:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1015314; 16 Nov 2001 15:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fAGF4Nn20972 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 15:04:23 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fAGF4KN20968 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 15:04:20 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 164kVe-0009d5-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 15:02:27 +0000 Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 14:19:48 GMT Message-Id: <157878@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Referenced pictures X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Any subsequent attempt to turn the pictures on (which Jack would >like to do to see them) results in OPro crashing presumably as it is >being asked to suddenly hold a file in memory some 200+Mb in size. But if the images are proxied and the proxy settings produce something which is a lot smaller than the original image - it should work - unless there is a bug. I guess you could set up (using the smart editor again) very small proxy settings just to try it. For the OPro system of handling large images to work, you've always got to have enough memory free to hold the single largest image. >I don't know how many users have experience of using OPro with documents >of this size - it would be interesting to hear - but the feeling I >retain about OPro and documents of the size mentioned above is And by 'documents of this size' you mean ones which use a lot of memory in one go - rather than ones with lots of pages. >From my point of view the problem remains unproven because of my failure to fill up my RPC with more memory. However the forthcoming port to Windows will sort this out. Its amazing how many bugs a shift to a different memory model reveals. >'Here be Dragons'... Build yourself a Beowulf. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 16 17:29:49 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA157898 for opro ; Fri, 16 Nov 101 17:29:48 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1005923072:10:17100:64; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 15:04:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1113281; 16 Nov 2001 15:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fAGF4MR20971 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 15:04:22 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fAGF4JN20964 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 15:04:19 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 164kVX-0009d5-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 15:02:19 +0000 Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 14:17:18 GMT Message-Id: <157876@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Pictures (referenced) X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I very much would like to be able to flip a picture horizontally or >vertically (like in Paint). Can't you do that now? Double click on a picture to select it, then use the rotate tool to rotate by 90 or 180 degrees. In addition if you use the handles on the selected picture gadget you can pull them through the image - making a mirror image. I think if you look at the info palette this translates to a negative scale. So that covers all the possibilities. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 16 17:29:57 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA157901 for opro ; Fri, 16 Nov 101 17:29:56 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1005926548:10:07505:74; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 16:02:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1124308; 16 Nov 2001 16:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fAGG29m21272 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 16:02:09 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from host1.kbnet.co.uk (host1.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fAGG26N21268 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 16:02:06 GMT Received: from kbnet.co.uk (host213-120-24-170.webport.bt.net [213.120.24.170]) by host1.kbnet.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA13762 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 15:56:30 GMT Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 15:59:35 GMT From: Mike Williams To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Referenced pictures Message-ID: <6a4063da4a.akalat@akalat.kbnet.co.uk> References: <157784@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4ada50f87dtony@cropp.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4ada50f87dtony@cropp.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Akalat Publishing User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/3.60) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id fAGG27N21269 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <4ada50f87dtony@cropp.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > I don't know how many users have experience of using OPro with documents > of this size - it would be interesting to hear - but the feeling I > retain about OPro and documents of the size mentioned above is > 'Here be Dragons'... > I have routinely created Ovn Pro documents in excess of 50MB without problems on a 128MB machine. The whole point about referen Mike Williams Akalat Publishing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 16 21:56:25 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA157914 for opro ; Fri, 16 Nov 101 21:56:21 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1005938907:10:10283:62; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 19:28:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1116111; 16 Nov 2001 19:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fAGJSiG21791 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 19:28:44 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from smtp04.wxs.nl (smtp04.wxs.nl [195.121.6.59]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fAGJSfN21788 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 19:28:41 GMT Received: from delink.planet.nl ([195.121.163.18]) by smtp04.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GMWRCN00.FPG for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 20:26:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 20:26:43 +0100 Subject: Pictures (referenced) Message-ID: <4ada7636f8paul@delink.nl> In-Reply-To: <157876@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <157876@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > I think if you look at the info palette this translates to a negative > scale Blast! A negative sign before the Aspect does the job. Why did I wait so long asking this question? Kind regards, Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 16 21:56:42 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA157920 for opro ; Fri, 16 Nov 101 21:56:40 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1005941072:20:09481:61; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 20:04:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2109758; 16 Nov 2001 20:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fAGK5Uf21937 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 20:05:30 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fAGK5SN21934 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 20:05:28 GMT Received: from snave.demon.co.uk ([158.152.89.120]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 164pDA-000KyQ-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 20:03:40 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jack Evans To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 11:14:14 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Referenced pictures Message-ID: <4ada4920a0jack@snave.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <157784@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <157784@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <157784@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >If this refers to what I think it does > I don't think it does... > >the text and graphics on my machine without individually converting > >each of the graphic filenames to the macro form. > Might be reasonable to offer a another button which made all the paths > relative. I'd like that. > >Or is there a simple way to do it en masse? > Save the doc as DDL and use a clever text editor on it, then reload? Now, why didn't I think of that? As always, many thanks to those who leap in with advice and solutions. Regards Jack -- Jack Evans Bristol UK mailto:jack@snave.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Nov 17 13:49:36 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA157954 for opro ; Sat, 17 Nov 101 13:49:33 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1005967210:10:01775:61; Sat, 17 Nov 2001 03:20:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1101645; 17 Nov 2001 3:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fAH3LXi22635 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 17 Nov 2001 03:21:33 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fAH3LUN22628 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2001 03:21:30 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 164w14-000Md2-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 17 Nov 2001 03:19:38 +0000 Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 03:01:38 GMT Message-Id: <157948@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: New web site design X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Thanks for all the comments on the new web site. They did raise some useful points. The site has now been revised in the light of the points. Sorry if your favourite bug hasn't been zapped. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Nov 17 13:49:37 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA157953 for opro ; Sat, 17 Nov 101 13:49:33 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1005967216:20:27123:62; Sat, 17 Nov 2001 03:20:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2106080; 17 Nov 2001 3:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fAH3LZU22636 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 17 Nov 2001 03:21:35 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fAH3LVN22632 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2001 03:21:32 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 164w15-000Md2-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 17 Nov 2001 03:19:39 +0000 Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 03:05:16 GMT Message-Id: <157950@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Applying colour to a line drawing in OvPro X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >One day no doubt (in the hopes of all who use OvPro) it will all be fully >revised and perfectly indexed. I think its pretty good, considering the difficulties and compared with the prevailing standards. >printed version. Anyone scrolling down the present version on screen (I >suspect only the minority will print it out) finds the two column format >quite awkward, when it comes to looking for page numbers etc. It is not >surprising that it retains the format of a book, but if we accept that most >people will use it on screen rather than print it on paper Well its always an interesting point, should the documentation for a program thats sole purpose is paper based documentation not be paper based. Do we not eat our own dog food. Or whats the point if electronic documents are superior. Windows is the home of no paper manuals, on screen documentation and hypertext. Its usually horrible. Not only the content, but in how it works. Windows is also the home of buy the book which contains the contents of the on screen documentation. I think we've some way to go before screen displays are as useful as books. I was saying in another thread that after handling the Ovation Pro manual I wanted 'large document' facilities. There's no doubt that things could be made a lot better. For example hypertext links, and searching the component files of a project. Meanwhile, printed copies of the manual are still available (ukp 25 all inc). David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Nov 17 13:50:28 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA157971 for opro ; Sat, 17 Nov 101 13:50:26 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1006002811:10:20562:73; Sat, 17 Nov 2001 13:13:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1116567; 17 Nov 2001 12:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fAHCQHx23434 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 17 Nov 2001 12:26:17 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net ([212.159.14.227]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id fAHCQEN23431 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2001 12:26:14 GMT Received: (qmail 8020 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2001 12:24:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (212.159.17.161) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Nov 2001 12:24:07 -0000 Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 20:59:33 +0000 (GMT) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: Pictures (referenced) To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <157876@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Fri 16 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > > >I very much would like to be able to flip a picture horizontally or > >vertically (like in Paint). > > Can't you do that now? > > Double click on a picture to select it, then use the rotate tool to rotate > by 90 or 180 degrees. In addition if you use the handles on the selected > picture gadget you can pull them through the image - making a mirror image. > I think if you look at the info palette this translates to a negative > scale. > > So that covers all the possibilities. Just played with this - great possibilities. Negative scale flips a picture vertically, negative aspect ratio flips it horizontally. Not quite a flip button but not far off - put a minus sign in front of the relevant value, press return and then click Centre again. Definitely easier thatn the OLE trick. Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 21 02:13:43 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158000 for opro ; Wed, 21 Nov 101 02:13:41 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1006202749:10:08795:1593; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 20:45:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1117592; 19 Nov 2001 14:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fAJEtMe27783 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 14:55:22 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from smtp03.wxs.nl (smtp03.wxs.nl [195.121.6.37]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fAJEtJN27780 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 14:55:19 GMT Received: from delink.planet.nl ([195.121.163.63]) by smtp03.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GN1YO000.B27 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 15:52:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 15:52:30 +0100 Subject: Tracked, fully justified text Message-ID: <4adbe89e4dpaul@delink.nl> In-Reply-To: <4adb56dd09paw@argonet.co.uk> References: <4adb56dd09paw@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, Today I found a possible bug in tracked text, which is fully justified. I've two lines of text that is tracked (at 114%). On screen both lines are perfectly fully justified, even at the largest scale view. But printed there is a slight, but visible - and therefore annoying - difference. Is this a known bug, or a new one? Or is it me again, doing things wrong? Kind regards, Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 21 02:13:53 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158003 for opro ; Wed, 21 Nov 101 02:13:52 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1006213771:10:05699:1746; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 23:49:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1018391; 19 Nov 2001 22:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fAJMqiw28597 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 22:52:44 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.148]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fAJMqfN28594 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 22:52:41 GMT Received: from Caslon.english.co.uk (213-78-40-154.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.40.154]) by msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id ABO52018; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 22:50:08 GMT Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 22:42:22 +0000 Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 22:41:50 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Tracked, fully justified text Message-ID: <199613dc4a%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4adbe89e4dpaul@delink.nl> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: POPstar/2.02 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro wrote: > > Hi, > > Today I found a possible bug in tracked text, which is fully justified. > I've two lines of text that is tracked (at 114%). > On screen both lines are perfectly fully justified, even at the largest > scale view. But printed there is a slight, but visible - and therefore > annoying - difference. > > Is this a known bug, or a new one? > Or is it me again, doing things wrong? > This is a known bug from way back - although I thought David had fixed it. Which version of OvPro are you using? And are you using a postscript printer? David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 21 02:13:55 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158004 for opro ; Wed, 21 Nov 101 02:13:54 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1006213843:10:27351:803; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 23:50:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1027953; 19 Nov 2001 23:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fAJN2aK28696 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 23:02:36 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.148]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fAJN2WN28693 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 23:02:32 GMT Received: from Caslon.english.co.uk (213-78-19-166.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.19.166]) by msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id ABO52851; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 23:00:00 GMT Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 22:57:59 +0000 Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 22:57:34 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Tracked, fully justified text Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4adbe89e4dpaul@delink.nl> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: POPstar/2.02 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro wrote: > Is this a known bug, or a new one? I've now found a reference in the archives to this bug, and I see that it was the printer driver which was implicated. David Pilling replied to someone on March 22nd: > >I have an 8 column broadsheet layout which has the main text set to full > >justification but when it prints the text is left justified. Any ideas? > > If this is you get one thing on screen and another on paper, look to > the printer drivers. There is a well known problem where enhanced justification > mixed with tracking (or kerning) results in printed ragged edges. > The latest (the last) version of !Printers fixed it. > > A good test though is to try a different class of driver, e.g. PostScript > or Turbo/Laser Direct as opposed to raster (InkJet, DotMatrix, Laser Jet). -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 21 02:13:58 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158005 for opro ; Wed, 21 Nov 101 02:13:57 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1006214138:10:20340:183; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 23:55:38 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1118993; 19 Nov 2001 23:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fAJNlGn28821 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 23:47:16 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from rhenium (rhenium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.93]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fAJNlDN28818 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 23:47:13 GMT Received: from [217.35.12.71] (helo=acornrpc) by rhenium with smtp (Exim 3.22 #6) id 165y5h-0002xr-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 23:44:44 +0000 Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 23:30:16 GMT From: Brian Howlett Message-ID: <490518dc4a.Brian@Brian_Howlett.btinternet.com> X-Organization: The Terry Wogan Home for the Bewildered User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.24) POPstar/2.04-pre1 X-Computer: Acorn RiscPC SA-110 X-no-markup: yes To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Tables X-Editor: Zap 1.44 (14 Jan 2001) [TEST 4], ZapEmail 0.25 (19 Feb 2001) test-6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R OPro 2.66/RISC OS 4.24/Printers 1.64a/Canon BJC6100 with ExpLAN driver. When printing files with tables imported from TableMate 5.00g I'm having a problem with the vertical alignment of the text in the tables. TableMate defaults to top aligned, but I prefer to use middle aligned text in tables, and so I change the alignment. However, no matter how I try, I can't get OPro to print the text other than top aligned. In fact, some of the text which was superscript actually printed over the line above. I tried saving the table out from TableMate as a draw file, but it printed out the same, despite both looking fine on screen. The same table prints fine using Impression Publisher 4.13, so I can only assume something at fault with the way OPro handles draw files containing text, as the TableMate output is a modified draw file. Is this a known problem with a known cure? -- Brian Howlett ---------------------------------------------- All electronic components run on smoke. If you let the smoke out, they stop working... -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 21 02:14:13 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158012 for opro ; Wed, 21 Nov 101 02:14:12 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1006283934:10:22938:95; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 19:18:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1011713; 20 Nov 2001 14:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fAKEMkW30054 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 14:22:46 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from holyrood.ed.ac.uk (holyrood.ed.ac.uk [129.215.16.14]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fAKEMhN30051 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 14:22:43 GMT Received: from alfred.ed.ac.uk (dialup-132.publab.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.132]) by holyrood.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA19603 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 14:20:05 GMT Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 14:21:12 +0000 (GMT) From: Alf Chamings Subject: Re: Spelling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <4adc63c8d9mick@tab1.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 20 Nov, Mick Burrell wrote: > > Hoping this hasn't been asked before : > > I have a small newsletter which has a section called Welcome. (Heading in > Homerton Bold - may be relevant). The section starts with the text > 'Welcome to the first.....' (Text is in Trinity Medium). > > On spell checking the document, it bypasses the heading Welcome, picks up > the first word of the text Welcome and among the alternatives I'm offered > is welcome (i.e. no capital W). > > I've got something set incorrectly haven't I? > > Oh, and incidentally, it picks up haven't and offers me havent without an > apostrophe. > Sounds like a corrupted dictionary. I remember have problems with capital letter and spell checks once. It turned out to be a corrupted dictionary. My main dictionary includes haven't; it does not include havent. Alf -- Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh, EH3 9YW, UK tel +44 131 536 3251 fax +44 131 536 3283 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 21 02:14:15 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158013 for opro ; Wed, 21 Nov 101 02:14:14 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1006297847:10:02193:66; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 23:10:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1122591; 20 Nov 2001 23:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fAKMrsR31020 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 22:53:54 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from mail3.svr.pol.co.uk (mail3.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.19]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fAKMrpN31017 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 22:53:51 GMT Received: from modem-22.calcium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.19.22] helo=orchard-way) by mail3.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 166JjQ-0004Ch-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 22:51:08 +0000 Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 22:24:30 GMT From: Alan Adams To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Spelling Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10 (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: > On Tue 20 Nov, Mick Burrell wrote: > > > > Hoping this hasn't been asked before : > > > > I have a small newsletter which has a section called Welcome. (Heading in > > Homerton Bold - may be relevant). The section starts with the text > > 'Welcome to the first.....' (Text is in Trinity Medium). > > > > On spell checking the document, it bypasses the heading Welcome, picks up > > the first word of the text Welcome and among the alternatives I'm offered > > is welcome (i.e. no capital W). > > > > I've got something set incorrectly haven't I? > > > > Oh, and incidentally, it picks up haven't and offers me havent without an > > apostrophe. > > > Sounds like a corrupted dictionary. I remember have problems with capital > letter and spell checks once. It turned out to be a corrupted dictionary. > > My main dictionary includes haven't; it does not include havent. > > Alf I had something similar - it turned out out that there was another piece of software (!Words) on my machine with a compatible, but less comprehensive, dictionary. Check that dictionary$dir points to the OPro dictionary, not another one. If it is another one, check the order in which applications are seen. -- Alan Adams alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 21 02:14:17 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158014 for opro ; Wed, 21 Nov 101 02:14:16 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1006300169:10:18381:114; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 23:49:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1018927; 20 Nov 2001 23:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fAKKNeK30710 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 20:23:40 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from obelix.spectraweb.ch (obelix.plusnet.ch [194.158.230.8]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fAKKNbN30707 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 20:23:37 GMT Received: from janvredenburchsmile.ch (abo-mu-1-2-dialup-28.spectraweb.ch [194.230.154.28]) by obelix.spectraweb.ch (8.11.2/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with SMTP id fAKKKlZ04482 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 21:20:47 +0100 Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 15:54:53 +0100 (GMT) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: Tracked, fully justified text To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <4adbe89e4dpaul@delink.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: CIC member; Secretariaat St. Van Vredenburch X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Mon 19 Nov, paul@delink.nl wrote (Ref both messages of that date): > Today I found a possible bug in tracked text, which is fully justified. > I've two lines of text that is tracked (at 114%). > On screen both lines are perfectly fully justified, even at the largest > scale view. But printed there is a slight, but visible - and therefore > annoying - difference. This is indeed at times repeatable depending on the text present. That is text present or, to be more precise, the amount of characters on a single line. Not necessarily the last 2 lines in a frame. The printout can result in a shorter or longer line than the rest of the text in a frame. David Pilling receives by snail mail the results of my testing. > Is this a known bug, or a new one? Or the result of highly complex calculations when using enhanced justification (inserting spaces between letters)? Greetings, JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch, CH - 6006 Luzern **new email address** email: janvredenburch@smile.ch .. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 21 03:25:19 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158031 for opro ; Wed, 21 Nov 101 03:25:17 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1006310082:10:16627:70; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 02:34:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1016457; 21 Nov 2001 2:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fAL2aU131337 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 02:36:30 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fAL2aRN31333 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 02:36:27 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 166NCp-000MzN-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 02:33:43 +0000 Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 02:23:41 GMT Message-Id: <158017@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Tables X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >TableMate defaults to top aligned, but I prefer to use middle aligned >text in tables, and so I change the alignment. However, no matter how I >try, I can't get OPro to print the text other than top aligned. Thats interesting, please send me an example table to try. To my private email address which is - david@pilling.demon.co.uk David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 21 03:25:22 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158032 for opro ; Wed, 21 Nov 101 03:25:20 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1006310097:10:16628:69; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 02:34:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1100480; 21 Nov 2001 2:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fAL2aTv31336 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 02:36:29 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fAL2aPN31329 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 02:36:25 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 166NCn-000MzN-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 02:33:41 +0000 Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 02:21:07 GMT Message-Id: <158015@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Tracked, fully justified text X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > Today I found a possible bug in tracked text, which is fully justified. > I've two lines of text that is tracked (at 114%). As has been said this goes way back, my recollection is that Robin Watts in his spell at RISC OS ltd. fixing printer driver bugs, fixed it. End of story. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 21 14:32:02 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158033 for opro ; Wed, 21 Nov 101 14:32:00 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1006314794:20:11685:76; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 03:53:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2010238; 21 Nov 2001 3:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fAL3t1V31596 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 03:55:01 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from blueyonder.co.uk (pcow028o.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.53.124]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fAL3svN31592 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 03:54:57 GMT Received: from pcow028m.blueyonder.net ([127.0.0.1]) by blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Wed, 21 Nov 2001 02:31:30 +0000 Received: from riscpc.dawnsun.net (unverified) by pcow028m.blueyonder.net (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.5) with SMTP id for Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Organization: Somewhat chaotic X-TimeTo3000: 364552 days, 21 hours, 28 minutes, 9 seconds X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sun 18 Nov, Philip Whittaker wrote: > I really loathe the way that in Educational settings MS Publisher is > becoming the standard. I still prefer Ovation original to that. And failing that I'd prefer a pen. It really is amazing how people seem to accept MS Publisher in schools. It's abysmal, useless for anything except simple fliers in my opinion. The only people at our school who produce decent looking docs are those who wisely stick to word processors and just produce simple stuff, those who use Acorns (me and one other), those who use Macs and the one PC user who has Pagemaker or something. Thank the deities for OP. -- Pete ==== +44 7711 501 757 Fidelity: A virtue peculiar to those who are about to be betrayed. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 21 14:32:08 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158035 for opro ; Wed, 21 Nov 101 14:32:05 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1006335705:20:18323:115; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 09:41:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2120991; 21 Nov 2001 8:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fAL8Fmt31923 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 08:15:48 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fAL8FjN31920 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 08:15:45 GMT Received: from tab1.demon.co.uk ([194.222.128.184]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 166SV7-0005eT-0Y for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 08:12:58 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mick Burrell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 07:55:55 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Spelling Message-ID: <4adcca269fmick@tab1.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.03c (RISC-OS/4.03) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R > > On Tue 20 Nov, Mick Burrell wrote: > > > Hoping this hasn't been asked before : > > > > > > I have a small newsletter which has a section called Welcome. > > > (Heading in Homerton Bold - may be relevant). The section starts > > > with the text 'Welcome to the first.....' (Text is in Trinity > > > Medium). > > > > > > On spell checking the document, it bypasses the heading Welcome, > > > picks up the first word of the text Welcome and among the > > > alternatives I'm offered is welcome (i.e. no capital W). > > > > > > I've got something set incorrectly haven't I? > > > > > > Oh, and incidentally, it picks up haven't and offers me havent > > > without an apostrophe. > > Alf offered : > > Sounds like a corrupted dictionary. I remember have problems with > > capital letter and spell checks once. It turned out to be a corrupted > > dictionary. I've deleted !Words from inside !OvnPro and replaced it with the one from the v2.6 CD. No luck - still the same. > > My main dictionary includes haven't; it does not include havent. My new one seems to include havent but not haven't! > Alan Adams offered : > I had something similar - it turned out out that there was another > piece of software (!Words) on my machine with a compatible, but less > comprehensive, dictionary. Check that dictionary$dir points to the OPro > dictionary, not another one. If it is another one, check the order in > which applications are seen. Inside !Run I have : If ""="" Then Run ".Modules.IfExists" .!Words Then Run".!Words" Set OvationProDictionary$Path Set OvationProUserDictionary$Path If "" = "" Then Set OvationProUserDictionary$Path which I have not (knowingly!) altered. The manual has a section on capitilisation which uses 'PostScript' as an example and seems to imply that although 'welcome' is in the dictionary it will pick up on 'Welcome'. Is my understanding of that correct? I have no idea why Alf has "haven't" and I havent(!) -- Mick Burrell -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 21 14:32:53 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158048 for opro ; Wed, 21 Nov 101 14:32:51 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1006343809:20:15050:800; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 11:56:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2000201; 21 Nov 2001 11:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fALB66M32361 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 11:06:06 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from mail4.svr.pol.co.uk (mail4.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.211]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fALB63N32358 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 11:06:03 GMT Received: from modem-167.aardvark.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.134.0.167] helo=magray.freeserve.co.uk) by mail4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 166V9u-0001x6-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 11:03:15 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 09:31:14 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Spelling Message-ID: <4adcd2e078rayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4adcca269fmick@tab1.demon.co.uk> References: <4adcca269fmic User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4adcca269fmick@tab1.demon.co.uk>, Mick Burrell wrote: > I have a small newsletter which has a section called Welcome. (Heading > in Homerton Bold - may be relevant). The section starts with the text > 'Welcome to the first.....' (Text is in Trinity Medium). > > On spell checking the document, it bypasses the heading Welcome, > picks up the first word of the text Welcome and among the > alternatives I'm offered is welcome (i.e. no capital W). That's because you have the 'Check repeated words' option set in Choices...Text from the icon bar. As far as OP is concerned, the two words 'Welcome' repeat although they are in different sections. Hence 'welcomr' being offered as an alternative. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 020 8864 7208 | the audio and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 21 14:32:54 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158047 for opro ; Wed, 21 Nov 101 14:32:51 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1006338126:10:16190:392; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 10:22:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1019877; 21 Nov 2001 9:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fAL9h0g32138 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 09:43:00 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.148]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fAL9gvN32135 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 09:42:57 GMT Received: from Caslon.english.co.uk (213-78-41-21.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.41.21]) by msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id ABP49973; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 09:40:08 GMT Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 09:38:14 +0000 Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 09:37:47 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ovation Lover from a while back Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: POPstar/2.02 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Peter Gaunt wrote: > On Sun 18 Nov, Philip Whittaker wrote: > > > I really loathe the way that in Educational settings MS Publisher is > > becoming the standard. I still prefer Ovation original to that. > > And failing that I'd prefer a pen. It really is amazing how people seem to > accept MS Publisher in schools. It's abysmal, useless for anything except > simple fliers in my opinion. The only people at our school who produce decent > looking docs are those who wisely stick to word processors and just produce > simple stuff, those who use Acorns (me and one other), those who use Macs and > the one PC user who has Pagemaker or something. Thank the deities for OP. MS Publisher is a complete no no amongst printers. Some refuse to take work originated in it, others just quietly reoriginate the job in Quark or something else and bill the customer. David > -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 21 14:33:07 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158054 for opro ; Wed, 21 Nov 101 14:33:04 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1006086472:20:00941:63; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 12:27:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2000692; 18 Nov 2001 12:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fAICNGA24967 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 12:23:16 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fAICNEN24964 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 12:23:14 GMT Received: from [62.188.151.233] (helo=62.188.151.233) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 165QmS-0007jW-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 12:10:36 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Philip Whittaker To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 13:20:29 +0100 Subject: Ovation Lover from a while back Message-ID: <4adb56dd09paw@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.14f (RISC-OS/3.50) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Dear List members, I have joined this this to find out one piece of info. though I might go the whole hog and even buy Ovation Pro. My problem is this; In this Education Authority, Ovation was the standard DTP package for quite a while. There are lots of materials created in Ovation which I cannot make use of in the post Acorn world - (ie in this authority when networked PCs are going into schools ) One particular document - a regional spelling programme exists as a series of Ovation douments. It is a real shame that this cannot be made available again - perhaps on the web. SO my question is; " Can Ovation Pro export a document in a way that can be used on the web - .html or .pdf or some intermediate format that can help me get it there. I hope the answer is yes. Then I can justify buying Ovation Pro for work where we still have a few trusty A7000s and RISC PCs. running the original Ovation. I really loathe the way that in Educational settings MS Publisher is becoming the standard. I still prefer Ovation original to that. In Practice I use Textease becasue it is quick and I can use use it across platforms. Any Suggestions? Philip W -- paw@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 21 14:33:09 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158055 for opro ; Wed, 21 Nov 101 14:33:08 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1006089004:20:20843:63; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 13:10:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2119521; 18 Nov 2001 13:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fAID9gc25104 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 13:09:42 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from scrabble.freeuk.net (scrabble.freeuk.net [212.126.144.6]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fAID9eN25101 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 13:09:40 GMT Received: from du-002-0151.freeuk.com ([212.126.156.151] helo=freeuk.net) by scrabble.freeuk.net with smtp (Exim 3.12 #2) id 165RfU-00045J-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 13:07:29 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Brock To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 13:01:45 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Ovation Lover from a while back Message-ID: <4adb5aa44dbadger.set@freeuk.com> In-Reply-To: <4adb56dd09paw@argonet.co.uk> References: <4adb56dd09paw@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I use !HTMLPro by Levens Software. It makes a fair job of converting from Ovation Pro, though I always need to manually tidy up some bits even on a simple page. HTH Richard -- Brock Publishing Specialising in individualised stationery and certificates -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 21 14:33:12 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158056 for opro ; Wed, 21 Nov 101 14:33:10 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1006092175:20:02334:64; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 14:02:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2125814; 18 Nov 2001 14:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fAIE2Yo25238 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 14:02:34 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.149]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fAIE2VN25235 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 14:02:31 GMT Received: from Caslon.english.co.uk (213-78-42-87.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.42.87]) by msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id ABK42888; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 14:00:19 GMT Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 13:56:41 +0000 Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 13:56:11 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ovation Lover from a while back Message-ID: <29a05fdb4a%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4adb56dd09paw@argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: POPstar/2.02 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Philip Whittaker wrote: > SO my question is; " Can Ovation Pro export a document in a way that can > be used on the web - .html or .pdf or some intermediate format that can > help me get it there. > There is no problem in producing pdf files from OvPro. Install one of the postscript printers and 'print to file'. This creates postscript file which can be turned into a PDF in several ways: use Ghostscript, use RiScript, or use Acrobat distiller on a pc. If you have a pc on your network running distiller, it is actually possible to have the printer driver output to a postscript file across the network - in distiller's own hotfolder. You then automatically generate a PDF file every time you print from OvPro. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 21 14:33:22 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158060 for opro ; Wed, 21 Nov 101 14:33:21 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1006190245:20:26748:8341; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 17:17:25 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2006765; 19 Nov 2001 15:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fAJEtMe27783 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 14:55:22 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from smtp03.wxs.nl (smtp03.wxs.nl [195.121.6.37]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fAJEtJN27780 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 14:55:19 GMT Received: from delink.planet.nl ([195.121.163.63]) by smtp03.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GN1YO000.B27 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 15:52:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 15:52:30 +0100 Subject: Tracked, fully justified text Message-ID: <4adbe89e4dpaul@delink.nl> In-Reply-To: <4adb56dd09paw@argonet.co.uk> References: <4adb56dd09paw@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, Today I found a possible bug in tracked text, which is fully justified. I've two lines of text that is tracked (at 114%). On screen both lines are perfectly fully justified, even at the largest scale view. But printed there is a slight, but visible - and therefore annoying - difference. Is this a known bug, or a new one? Or is it me again, doing things wrong? Kind regards, Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 21 14:33:30 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158062 for opro ; Wed, 21 Nov 101 14:33:29 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1006216613:20:08699:1062; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 00:36:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ae2003432; 19 Nov 2001 21:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fAJLbHZ28358 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 21:37:17 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net ([212.159.14.225]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id fAJLbEN28355 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 21:37:14 GMT Received: (qmail 11341 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2001 21:34:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (212.159.20.156) by murphy.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Nov 2001 21:34:39 -0000 Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 20:49:25 +0000 (GMT) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: Tracked, fully justified text To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <4adbe89e4dpaul@delink.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Mon 19 Nov, paul@delink.nl wrote: > > Hi, > > Today I found a possible bug in tracked text, which is fully justified. > I've two lines of text that is tracked (at 114%). > On screen both lines are perfectly fully justified, even at the largest > scale view. But printed there is a slight, but visible - and therefore > annoying - difference. > > Is this a known bug, or a new one? > Or is it me again, doing things wrong? Are you using fonts which are downloaded or included in the print output? If you use different fonts on screen and printed (even near equivalents) the widths may be slightly different - just enough to give you that annoying difference between on-screen and printed versions. You are using Ovation Pro's Justify setting in addition to setting the tracking (that is how I read what you wrote), not using the tracking to visually make the text justified? Is the second line the one showing shorter? Is it the last in the paragraph or story? Justification doesn't usually affect the last line. Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 21 14:33:34 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158064 for opro ; Wed, 21 Nov 101 14:33:33 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1006222074:20:22964:85; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 02:07:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ag2025424; 19 Nov 2001 22:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fAJMF8I28480 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 22:15:08 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from smtp01.wxs.nl (smtp01.wxs.nl [195.121.6.61]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fAJMF5N28477 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 22:15:05 GMT Received: from delink.planet.nl ([195.121.163.114]) by smtp01.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GN2J0V00.H3L for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 23:12:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: To: Ovation Pro List Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 23:12:25 +0100 Subject: Tracked, fully justified text Message-ID: <4adc10e47epaul@delink.nl> In-Reply-To: References: <4adbe89e4dpaul@delink.nl> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Anthony Hilton asked: > Are you using fonts which are downloaded or included in the print > output? Downloaded. It's a Eurostile font from EFF. So, the same font for both screen and print output. > You are using Ovation Pro's Justify setting in addition to setting the > tracking (that is how I read what you wrote), not using the tracking to > visually make the text justified? No, the track is first texted, sorry, and then fully justified. > Is the second line the one showing shorter? Is it the last in the > paragraph or story? Justification doesn't usually affect the last line. It is not the last line of text, but the last line in the frame. Besides, this line is a little bit longer (or the first is shorter). A real bug, isn't it? Kind regards, Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 21 14:33:38 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158065 for opro ; Wed, 21 Nov 101 14:33:37 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1006284482:21:29915:199; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 19:28:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ac2009371; 20 Nov 2001 13:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fAKDM4u29889 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 13:22:04 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fAKDM1N29886 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 13:22:01 GMT Received: from tab1.demon.co.uk ([194.222.128.184]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 166Ao8-000Afj-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 13:19:24 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mick Burrell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 13:17:49 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Spelling Message-ID: <4adc63c8d9mick@tab1.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03c (RISC-OS/4.03) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hoping this hasn't been asked before : I have a small newsletter which has a section called Welcome. (Heading in Homerton Bold - may be relevant). The section starts with the text 'Welcome to the first.....' (Text is in Trinity Medium). On spell checking the document, it bypasses the heading Welcome, picks up the first word of the text Welcome and among the alternatives I'm offered is welcome (i.e. no capital W). I've got something set incorrectly haven't I? Oh, and incidentally, it picks up haven't and offers me havent without an apostrophe. -- Mick -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 21 18:08:55 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158092 for opro ; Wed, 21 Nov 101 18:08:52 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1006364341:20:00763:1299; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 17:39:01 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2100932; 21 Nov 2001 17:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fALFQrK00374 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 15:26:53 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fALFQpN00371 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 15:26:51 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 166ZEC-0002A9-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 15:23:56 +0000 Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 15:19:11 GMT Message-Id: <158077@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Spelling X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I've deleted !Words from inside !OvnPro and replaced it with the one from >the v2.6 CD. No luck - still the same. big picture time... The grand idea is that all 'my' programs, Spell, CrossStar, WordSquare, Ovation Pro etc. can use the same dictionaries, and those dictionaries are kept in a directory called !Words. So as with all shared resources, this ends in tears, no, as with all shared resources, you stick !Words somewhere prominent, e.g. in the same place as !Fonts, !System. OvationPro is designed so that if it sees a !Words somewhere on your system it uses it, if it can't see one, it uses the !Words inside !OvnPro. The problem (mistake if you like) is that a number of programs come with different dictionaries with the same name. So ideally you need to get inside !Words and sort out one !MainDict from another. I would say that the !MainDict that comes with Ovation Pro is superior for word processing type work to the ones with the other programs. Before you do that, you have to work out which !Words on your system is the one which is being used. One way is F12 then *show dictionary$dir David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 21 21:24:01 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158095 for opro ; Wed, 21 Nov 101 21:23:58 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1006368051:20:23219:2048; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 18:40:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2007128; 21 Nov 2001 18:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fALIUCH00823 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 18:30:12 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fALIU9N00815 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 18:30:09 GMT Received: from tab1.demon.co.uk ([194.222.128.184]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 166c5b-0004EJ-0V for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 18:27:15 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mick Burrell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 18:06:04 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Spelling Message-ID: <4add0202d2mick@tab1.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4adcd2e078rayd@argonet.co.uk> References: <4adcca269fmic User-Agent: Pluto/2.03c (RISC-OS/4.03) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4adcd2e078rayd@argonet.co.uk>, Ray Dawson wrote: > In article <4adcca269fmick@tab1.demon.co.uk>, > Mick Burrell wrote: > > I have a small newsletter which has a section called Welcome. (Heading > > in Homerton Bold - may be relevant). The section starts with the text > > 'Welcome to the first.....' (Text is in Trinity Medium). > > > > On spell checking the document, it bypasses the heading Welcome, > > picks up the first word of the text Welcome and among the > > alternatives I'm offered is welcome (i.e. no capital W). > That's because you have the 'Check repeated words' option set in > Choices...Text from the icon bar. > As far as OP is concerned, the two words 'Welcome' repeat although they > are in different sections. Hence 'welcomr' being offered as an > alternative. Ray to the rescue! Thanks - works as expected now. (How ever did I tick that not understanding what it did?) -- Mick Burrell -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 21 21:24:01 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158094 for opro ; Wed, 21 Nov 101 21:23:58 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1006366744:10:13269:92; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 18:19:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1109945; 21 Nov 2001 18:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fALI91c00715 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 18:09:01 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fALI8xN00712 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 18:08:59 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 166bl0-000LFJ-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 18:05:58 +0000 Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 17:44:26 GMT Message-Id: <158086@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Tables X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >As requested, here is the offending table. The vertical tab is set to "Middle". prints fine for me, on both PostScript and SPrinter. Your example is quite subtle, one might not notice the difference between middle and top, I constructed an extreme case - one cell three lines of text high, the next with just one line of text in, and that printed correctly too. Draw files don't have the concept of vertical tabs in them, so the draw file is being generated in a certain way by Tablemate. You've set this up as tables not *printing* correctly, does that imply the tables look OK on screen? There have been some bugs in recent versions of OP where the fonts in Draw files are replaced by Trinity. I wonder if that could be anything to do with it. Oh hang on, is this our old friend, the bug in the RISC OS printer drivers which leads to font output (text) and Draw module output (the lines in tables) shifting relative to one another, dependent on print scale and printer resolution? (you've said its OK on Impression, but at *exactly* the same print scale?) David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 21 21:24:10 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158098 for opro ; Wed, 21 Nov 101 21:24:07 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1006368874:20:04884:104; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 18:54:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2016574; 21 Nov 2001 18:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fALIUFr00824 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 18:30:15 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fALIUAN00820 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 18:30:11 GMT Received: from tab1.demon.co.uk ([194.222.128.184]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 166c5d-0004EJ-0V for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 18:27:17 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mick Burrell To: Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 18:25:49 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Spelling Message-ID: <4add03d1e2mick@tab1.demon.co.uk> References: <158077@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <158077@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03c (RISC-OS/4.03) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <158077@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >I've deleted !Words from inside !OvnPro and replaced it with the one > >from the v2.6 CD. No luck - still the same. > big picture time... > The grand idea is that all 'my' programs, Spell, CrossStar, WordSquare, > Ovation Pro etc. can use the same dictionaries, and those dictionaries > are kept in a directory called !Words. > So as with all shared resources, this ends in tears, no, as with all > shared resources, you stick !Words somewhere prominent, e.g. in the > same place as !Fonts, !System. > OvationPro is designed so that if it sees a !Words somewhere on your > system it uses it, if it can't see one, it uses the !Words inside > !OvnPro. > The problem (mistake if you like) is that a number of programs come > with different dictionaries with the same name. So ideally you need to > get inside !Words and sort out one !MainDict from another. I would say > that the !MainDict that comes with Ovation Pro is superior for word > processing type work to the ones with the other programs. > Before you do that, you have to work out which !Words on your system is > the one which is being used. One way is F12 then *show dictionary$dir Sorry David, I have indeed put !Words there and *show dictionary$dir does give that path, but in my panic I'd forgotten. It also contained "havent" but not "haven't" and "dont" but not "don't". I don't ;o) know how, or when it got changed from the standard as supplied with Ovation Pro, but all is now well. Many thanks, -- Mick Burrell -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 21 21:24:16 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158100 for opro ; Wed, 21 Nov 101 21:24:12 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1006370523:20:12369:469; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 19:22:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2129521; 21 Nov 2001 18:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fALI99U00720 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 18:09:09 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fALI96N00717 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 18:09:06 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 166bl5-000LFJ-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 18:06:04 +0000 Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 17:58:20 GMT Message-Id: <158090@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Referenced pictures X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro lowerprices@waitrose writes... ========================================================================== > Might be reasonable to offer a another button which made all the paths > relative. I've just emailed Jack Evans; here's the relevant bit - *Set ReferencedPictures$Path ADFS::HD4.$.Users.Data.Backdrops. *Filer_OpenDir ReferencedPictures: And there's a filer window, from which I've dragged a file called 'mallard' (duck, not railway locomotive) to an OPro document; now I've saved the document to disc. *Copy ADFS::HD4.$.Users.Data.Backdrops.tiger RAM:$.mallard ~C~V *Set ReferencedPictures$Path RAM:$. And now what do you think I'm going to see when I re-load the document? I hope I never find one of those on the local river bank. ;-) I'm not trying to dissuade you from festooning OPro with more buttons (don't worry, I'm most unlikely to find them), but if people want relative paths (I *always* want relative paths), why on earth do they embed absolute paths? Mind you, the last man to whom I pointed this out accused me of "command line hackery". ========================================================================== David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 22 03:30:43 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158114 for opro ; Thu, 22 Nov 101 03:30:39 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1006379799:10:23301:64; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 21:56:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1022409; 21 Nov 2001 21:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fALLuip01350 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 21:56:44 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fALLueN01343 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 21:56:40 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 166fJR-000Lsm-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 21:53:46 +0000 Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 21:44:58 GMT Message-Id: <158112@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Spelling X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R >Aha! I have checked my installation and find two copies of Words, one >in !Boot.Resources and the other in the !OvnPro (v.2.66) directory. Only the one in Resources will be seen or used. There's nothing wrong with the copy inside !OvnPro - it just won't be used. >But the UserDict in Boot.Resources.Words has a file date of 28 Sep 2001 >and the one in Ovnpro has a file date of 24 Sep 1996. Evidence which confirms what I just said. >What should be where? Everything is in its place, and all is right with the world. >I note that the Boot.Resources !Words contains a UserDict while the new >OvnPro has an applet called UserWords (with no help file) in the Extras >directory, but not in the OvnPro.Applets directory (yet); what should I >be using? It is *not* an applet. See page 218 of chapter 14 in the OP User Guide on the CD. In fact that chapter covers this thread, in brief UserWords is for use on a network, where you want users to have their own local folder for dictionaries, whilst allowing them to access the central !Words. In a scholastic context it prevents words (rude or otherwise) being added to the master dictionary. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 22 03:30:58 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158121 for opro ; Thu, 22 Nov 101 03:30:57 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1006389567:20:18748:61; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 00:39:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2114705; 22 Nov 2001 0:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fAM0fiE01567 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 00:41:44 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from tungsten.btinternet.com (tungsten.btinternet.com [194.73.73.81]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fAM0ffN01564 for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 00:41:41 GMT Received: from [217.35.5.118] (helo=acornrpc) by tungsten.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 166ht7-0005pd-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 00:38:45 +0000 Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 00:29:02 GMT From: Brian Howlett To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Tables Message-ID: References: <158086@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <158086@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: The Terry Wogan Home for the Bewildered User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.24) POPstar/2.04-pre1 X-Computer: Acorn RiscPC SA-110 X-no-markup: yes X-Editor: Zap 1.44 (14 Jan 2001) [TEST 4], ZapEmail 0.25 (19 Feb 2001) test-6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On 21 Nov, David Pilling exclaimed: [snip] > > Oh hang on, is this our old friend, the bug in the RISC OS printer > drivers which leads to font output (text) and Draw module output (the > lines in tables) shifting relative to one another, dependent on print > scale and printer resolution? (you've said its OK on Impression, but > at *exactly* the same print scale?) > As I've already replied direct to DP, it does indeed look like the scaling problem - the document printed fine if it was scaled at 100% for printing. The problem only occurred when I chose the Fit option in the Print dialog, which scaled the document to 97%. The table itself was scaled down to around 97% in both documents. However, the printing in Impression was not affected by scaling the document down to a similar %age when printing, so it looks like CC have/had a work-around for this bug in Printers. -- Brian Howlett ----------------------- Procrastinate tomorrow! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 22 16:29:54 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158158 for opro ; Thu, 22 Nov 101 16:29:51 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1006435720:10:20772:61; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 13:28:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1113212; 22 Nov 2001 13:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fAMDTN202598 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 13:29:23 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fAMDTKN02595 for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 13:29:21 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 166trp-000I56-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 13:26:13 +0000 Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 03:33:39 GMT Message-Id: <158124@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Tables X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R >scaled down to around 97% in both documents. However, the printing in >Impression was not affected by scaling the document down to a similar >%age when printing, so it looks like CC have/had a work-around for this >bug in Printers. Well... we've been into this in depth over the years. One of the most convincing demonstrations was always that Impression *does* show the problem. Robin Watts was hot on the trail just before the first upset at ROSL (circa Spring 2000). I wonder if he ever sorted it out? CC's own printer drivers Turbos and Laser Direct don't show the problem. It seems to depend purely on the printer scale and resolution - picture scaling in OPro does not change things. Someone once used ArcFax to send a music score from Sibelius. Turns out the staves are done with the Draw module and the notes are font output. One lot moved relative to the other, and when the band started to play... That was because ArcFax had the correct resolution for faxes for its printer driver (198dpi) which is a bad value for RISC OS. As a result I did a new driver with a 200 dpi resolution, a small change like that moves things back into alignment. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 22 16:30:00 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158160 for opro ; Thu, 22 Nov 101 16:29:55 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1006435721:10:20971:62; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 13:28:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1020642; 22 Nov 2001 13:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fAMDTVU02603 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 13:29:31 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fALJt2N01180 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 19:55:02 GMT Received: from southfrm.demon.co.uk ([158.152.159.240] helo=southfrm) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 166dPi-000EJe-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 19:52:06 +0000 Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 09:24:00 GMT From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Spelling Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Cale, Wilts (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50test) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message Alan Adams wrote: > In message you wrote: > > > On Tue 20 Nov, Mick Burrell wrote : > > > > > > I have a small newsletter which has a section called Welcome. (Heading > > > in Homerton Bold - may be relevant). The section starts with the text > > > 'Welcome to the first.....' (Text is in Trinity Medium). > > > > > > On spell checking the document, it bypasses the heading Welcome, picks > > > up the first word of the text Welcome and among the alternatives I'm > > > offered is welcome (i.e. no capital W). > > > > > > Oh, and incidentally, it picks up haven't and offers me havent without > > > an apostrophe. > > > > > Sounds like a corrupted dictionary. I remember have problems with > > capital letter and spell checks once. It turned out to be a corrupted > > dictionary. > > > I had something similar - it turned out out that there was another piece > of software (!Words) on my machine with a compatible, but less > comprehensive, dictionary. Check that dictionary$dir points to the OPro > dictionary, not another one. If it is another one, check the order in > which applications are seen. Aha! I have checked my installation and find two copies of Words, one in !Boot.Resources and the other in the !OvnPro (v.2.66) directory. Both contain UserDict files that internally say they are "Ovation Dictionary" and have a date of "18 June 1990". But the UserDict in Boot.Resources.Words has a file date of 28 Sep 2001 and the one in Ovnpro has a file date of 24 Sep 1996. The dictionary$dir variable points to the Boot.Resources version of Words. What should be where? I note that the Boot.Resources !Words contains a UserDict while the new OvnPro has an applet called UserWords (with no help file) in the Extras directory, but not in the OvnPro.Applets directory (yet); what should I be using? -- Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org For a patchwork of bygones: http://powys.org -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 22 16:30:17 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158166 for opro ; Thu, 22 Nov 101 16:30:14 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1006439134:10:10823:61; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 14:25:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1114281; 22 Nov 2001 14:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fAMERsu02884 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 14:27:54 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from protactinium.btinternet.com (protactinium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.176]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fAMERqN02881 for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 14:27:52 GMT Received: from [217.35.9.134] (helo=acornrpc) by protactinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 166umW-0000Cr-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 14:24:48 +0000 Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 14:13:18 GMT From: Brian Howlett To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Tables Message-ID: <4a8970dd4a.Brian@Brian_Howlett.btinternet.com> References: <158124@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <158124@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: The Terry Wogan Home for the Bewildered User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.24) POPstar/2.04-pre1 X-Computer: Acorn RiscPC SA-110 X-no-markup: yes X-Editor: Zap 1.44 (14 Jan 2001) [TEST 4], ZapEmail 0.25 (19 Feb 2001) test-6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 22 Nov, David Pilling exclaimed: >> scaled down to around 97% in both documents. However, the printing in >> Impression was not affected by scaling the document down to a similar >> %age when printing, so it looks like CC have/had a work-around for >> this bug in Printers. > > Well... we've been into this in depth over the years. One of the most > convincing demonstrations was always that Impression *does* show the > problem. > > Robin Watts was hot on the trail just before the first upset at ROSL > (circa Spring 2000). I wonder if he ever sorted it out? > > CC's own printer drivers Turbos and Laser Direct don't show the > problem. > > It seems to depend purely on the printer scale and resolution - > picture scaling in OPro does not change things. [snip] > Well, I'm happy (for the moment) that my document has printed OK. This looks like we'll have to wait and see what the Select version of Printers has to offer before we see any changes. -- Brian Howlett ----------------------- Procrastinate tomorrow! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 22 20:10:12 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158183 for opro ; Thu, 22 Nov 101 20:10:10 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1006454678:20:18574:61; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 18:44:38 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2107185; 22 Nov 2001 18:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fAMIkeD03440 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 18:46:40 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fAMIkbN03437 for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 18:46:38 GMT Received: from croftsdt.demon.co.uk ([158.152.77.40]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 166yoq-000Cwq-0X for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 18:43:29 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: David Crofts To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 18:43:19 +0000 (GMT) Subject: page x of y Message-ID: <4add8941dfdavid@croftsdt.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Is there a way of putting a footer that automatically calculates the number of pages in a document and inserts the result in the form: e.g. Page 1 of 3 ? Any ideas, please Thanks David Crofts -- <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< < / _\ Rev David T Crofts | | \ _____ | |_/avid / \/ \__/rofts \_____/\ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 22 20:10:29 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158191 for opro ; Thu, 22 Nov 101 20:10:27 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1006456521:10:02964:68; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 19:15:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1002758; 22 Nov 2001 19:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fAMJHsi03583 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 19:17:54 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (mta06-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.46]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fAMJHqN03580 for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 19:17:52 GMT Received: from RiscPC ([62.255.159.29]) by mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.13 201-229-121-113) with SMTP id <20011122191446.MSTH23920.mta06-svc.ntlworld.com@RiscPC> for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 19:14:46 +0000 Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 19:16:03 GMT From: Pete Bready To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: page x of y Message-ID: References: <4add8941dfdavid@croftsdt.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4add8941dfdavid@croftsdt.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.24) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <4add8941dfdavid@croftsdt.demon.co.uk> David Crofts wrote: > Is there a way of putting a footer that automatically calculates > the number of pages in a document and inserts the result in the form: > e.g. Page 1 of 3 ? > Any ideas, please > > Thanks > David Crofts > Yes -I posted this a long, long time ago - it might even be on the FAQ on the alternative OvPro site. Put the following commands into a file of type OvPDDL (just watch the line wraps - each MERGE line should occupy its own line) and then drag that file to your own document. You'll need to insert the appropriate merge field and print via mail merge, but it does do the trick IIRC: MERGE_02={merge 901 "time" "{gettimestring(\"%24:%MI:%SE\",macv)}"} MERGE_03={merge 902 "filename" "{fileinfo(currentfile(),macv)}"} MERGE_04={merge 903 "numpages" "{int i,n,f,c;f=currentfile(); c=documentchapters(f);for(i=0;i; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 03:17:51 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 1676nY-0008XW-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 03:14:40 +0000 Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 03:02:39 GMT Message-Id: <158200@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Impulse, Powerbase X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, I've uploaded the Impulse applet version 1.03 to my web sites. Path ovationpro/applets/files/imp.zip on your favourite version of the site. Seemingly there's some sort of problem between the old applet and Powerbase, although the issue is how the Impulse specification is supposed to be read, rather than there being a bug. The hope is that this new applet works with Powerbase and still works with Impact. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 23 13:57:53 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158230 for opro ; Fri, 23 Nov 101 13:57:51 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1006507153:20:06295:62; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 09:19:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2005622; 23 Nov 2001 9:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fAN9LNq04616 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 09:21:23 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from gateh.kw.bbc.co.uk (gateh.kw.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.17]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fAN9LLN04613 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 09:21:21 GMT Received: from w1bhxi02.radio.bbc.co.uk ([10.48.8.92]) by gateh.kw.bbc.co.uk (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id fAN9I3t25173 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 09:18:03 GMT Received: from w12wcxf01.wc.bbc.co.uk (unverified) by w1bhxi02.radio.bbc.co.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.5) with ESMTP id for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 09:18:02 -0000 Message-ID: <21B2A2008F16D2118E7A00805F8BF7ECA99714@w12wnxu01.wn.bbc.co.uk> From: Michael Hunter To: "'ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk'" Subject: RE: page x of y Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 09:18:00 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro David Crofts wrote: > Is there a way of putting a footer that automatically calculates > the number of pages in a document and inserts the result in the form: > e.g. Page 1 of 3 ? > Any ideas, please Peter Brady already responded to this and I would just confirm that the answer is in the Hints and Tips section of the alternative resources site. As noted in the Hints and Tips you need a CSV file or an error is generated. I had a queries with this some time ago - see the correspondence in the archives in early August - in trying to get this to work with stylesheets. You will probably need to experiment to see what suits your mode of working. Michael Hunter This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify me immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the BBC, unless specifically stated. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 23 19:34:30 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158248 for opro ; Fri, 23 Nov 101 19:34:26 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1006540601:20:00408:64; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 18:36:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2029854; 23 Nov 2001 18:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fANIbqH05493 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 18:37:52 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (mta07-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.47]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fANIboN05490 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 18:37:50 GMT Received: from localhost ([62.254.36.134]) by mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.13 201-229-121-113) with SMTP id <20011123183431.NRZC692.mta07-svc.ntlworld.com@localhost> for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 18:34:31 +0000 Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 18:33:27 GMT From: To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Cc: quercus@ukgateway.net Subject: Re: Impulse, Powerbase Message-ID: <8a300cde4a.colin@cstage.argonet.co.uk> References: <158200@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <158200@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Centre Stage User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <158200@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > Hi, > > I've uploaded the Impulse applet version 1.03 to my web sites. > Path ovationpro/applets/files/imp.zip on your favourite version of the site. > > Seemingly there's some sort of problem between the old applet and Powerbase, > although the issue is how the Impulse specification is supposed to be read, > rather than there being a bug. > > The hope is that this new applet works with Powerbase and still works > with Impact. > > > > David Pilling > I can't get it to work - if I try to click 'First' or 'Next' on OPro's merge print window I get 'Data transfer failed - Receiver died' for each field - the *first* record is then displayed in the OPro doc but no subsequent ones; and if I do as the PBase docs instruct and drop the OPro document onto a Powerbase window, then either nothing actually prints at all (although a window shows the Index of each record); or printing is odd and inconsistent eg the first record printed ok eg: Joe Bloggs 147 Acacia Ave AnyTown .... but the second record printed: (sic) [Merge 1] Fred [Merge 2] Binns [Merge 3] 235 Hyacinth Drive [Merge 4] AnyTown .... The script I used in each field was a variation of {macv=impulse(":Powerbase GetField NAME")} where the ':Powerbase...' part is as per the PBase docs. If this is wrong please could anyone tell me the right format to use.. I'm also getting a message about 'No free ports at line 14102' - I suspect this is from Pbase itself, and I'll copy this to Derek. Colin -- Colin Carnegie colinc@argonet.co.uk www.argonet.co.uk/users/cstage -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Nov 24 02:12:28 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158267 for opro ; Sat, 24 Nov 101 02:12:25 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1006556086:10:14785:61; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 22:54:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1014707; 23 Nov 2001 22:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fANMvPP05879 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 22:57:25 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fANMvMN05876 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 22:57:22 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 167PCr-000Lag-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 22:54:01 +0000 Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 19:58:41 GMT Message-Id: <158257@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Impulse, Powerbase X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I can't get it to work - if I try to click 'First' or 'Next' on OPro's >merge print window I get 'Data transfer failed - Receiver died' for each >field Um. I think I'd defer to Derek Haslam on this 8-) He has had it working this week, both with the old (1.02) applet and the new one. The hope was that the 1.03 version would work with the unmodified versions of Powerbase. However as with OP there have been different versions of Powerbase impulse code. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 27 17:34:53 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158332 for opro ; Tue, 27 Nov 101 17:34:52 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1006754973:10:21029:64; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 06:09:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1020879; 26 Nov 2001 6:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fAQ6COk10261 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 06:12:24 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from dragon.actrix.co.nz (dragon.actrix.co.nz [203.96.26.131]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fAQ6CKN10258 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 06:12:20 GMT Received: from zed.actrix.co.nz (ak-d198.connections.net.nz [202.154.128.198]) by dragon.actrix.co.nz (Postfix) with SMTP id 3097017CB for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 19:07:11 +1300 (NZDT) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 18:35:41 +0000 (GMT) From: David Love Subject: Re: !Fonts and OvationPro ... To: OvationPro User Group In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 26 Nov, David Love wrote: > > I have recently removed several fonts from !Boot.Resources.!Fonts but > OvationPro still shows them as being available. However, if I type text > and then choose one of the fonts which should not be shown OvationPro > freezes. Thanks to Tonnie Demarteau and Mark Rowan for pinpointing the culprit. Yes it was the Messages file, and its deletion solved the problem. David -- It's hard to make a program foolproof because fools are so ingenious -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 27 17:35:06 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158336 for opro ; Tue, 27 Nov 101 17:35:05 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1006761323:10:26583:67; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 07:55:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1026370; 26 Nov 2001 7:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fAQ7wWg10423 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 07:58:32 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fAQ7wUN10420 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 07:58:30 GMT Received: from [62.188.142.111] (helo=RiscPC) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 168GQh-0006k6-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 07:43:52 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: OvationPro User Group Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 21:06:40 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: !Fonts and OvationPro ... Message-ID: <4adf21e3bbsteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , David Love wrote: > I have recently removed several fonts from !Boot.Resources.!Fonts > but OvationPro still shows them as being available. However, if I > type text and then choose one of the fonts which should not be > shown OvationPro freezes. [Snip] > Would some kind person tell me what could be wrong and, even more > importantly, how I can solve the problem. RISC OS 4 installed by any chance? This may be the reverse of a problem I had where the system refused to accept the existence of newly installed fonts. They were installed via the configuration Fonts - install fonts process but they still didn't appear. Can't recall exactly what I had to do to make them appear but when they did they were listed in the Medssages1 file in !Fonts Perhaps you still have entries for the fonts you removed. -- Steve Pampling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 27 17:35:23 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158343 for opro ; Tue, 27 Nov 101 17:35:20 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1006713199:20:18783:61; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 18:33:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2127780; 25 Nov 2001 18:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fAPIWws08267 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 18:32:58 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fAPIWuN08264 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 18:32:56 GMT Received: from [62.188.139.150] (helo=62.188.139.150) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1683rF-00057G-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 18:18:26 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Philip Hetherington To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 14:45:44 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Overfuk Document list Message-ID: <4adeff039bphilhet@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On the Menu on the Ovation Pro since 2.66 icon there is an item Documents. The list produced is getting too long, and includes many documents I no longer want! How can I cull it and make a fresh start? The Discard Document entry is whited out and I cannot see anything on the Choices menu item to alter the way Documents behaves. Phil Hetherington * ... My windows are dirty - send for the window cleaner - costs $9. -- Phil Hetherington - turned 83 -feeling 14 - ZFC G+ SA+Riscos4 -philhet@argonet.co.uk No spam please -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 27 17:35:30 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158348 for opro ; Tue, 27 Nov 101 17:35:29 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1006792821:10:07590:84; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 16:40:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1004467; 26 Nov 2001 16:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fAQGVlX11256 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 16:31:47 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from imo-d08.mx.aol.com (imo-d08.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fAQGViN11253 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 16:31:44 GMT Received: from Tomhopley@aol.com by imo-d08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id d.6b.1e430c16 (16637) for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 11:27:39 -0500 (EST) From: Message-ID: <6b.1e430c16.2933c77b@aol.com> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 11:27:39 EST Subject: Amstrad to PC via Acorn? To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro OK, this may seem off-topic for our RiscOS group, but.... A friend has a friend who has text files on an old Amstrad computer that he wants to access. He's put them on 3.5 inch floppies and found that PC's can't read them (surprise!). I vaguely remembered that Amstrad format was available on my RiscPC and duly said I'd try using the trusty Acorn. (Usual surprise - isn't that a Mac? Is Acorn still going? etc). Of course I now find that the RiscPC can handle Atari format not Amstrad. I've tried Andreas Stroiczek's Amstrad emulator suite !CPCEmu. That happily converts the RiscPC to run as an Amstrad in every way except actually reading from the floppy drive. The OS seems to expect 40 track two-sided floppies. I'll probably have to resurrect the A3000 and try that with its 800Kb floppy drive, or use the Sector Editor DISCEDIT on my even older Master Compact. However, before I delve into the attic, does anybody know of a software solution which would allow the RiscPC to access these Amstrad 3.5 inch floppies? TIA TomH -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 27 17:35:31 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158349 for opro ; Tue, 27 Nov 101 17:35:30 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1006716129:20:18143:61; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 19:22:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2125825; 25 Nov 2001 19:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fAPJPSH09366 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 19:25:28 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from dragon.actrix.co.nz (dragon.actrix.co.nz [203.96.26.131]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fAPJPON09361 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 19:25:25 GMT Received: from zed.actrix.co.nz (ak-d193.connections.net.nz [202.154.128.193]) by dragon.actrix.co.nz (Postfix) with SMTP id 841171566 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 08:20:00 +1300 (NZDT) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 08:18:01 +0000 (GMT) From: David Love Subject: !Fonts and OvationPro ... To: OvationPro User Group In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I have recently removed several fonts from !Boot.Resources.!Fonts but OvationPro still shows them as being available. However, if I type text and then choose one of the fonts which should not be shown OvationPro freezes. When I click to close the window a Type 5 error sometimes occurs and OvationPro removes itself from the iconbar. At other times the window closes successfully. I've shutdown the computer in the normal way, done a Reset, done a Ctrl/Break, hoping that one of these would allow OvationPro to be a gentle soul and remove the fonts from the menu - all without success. Would some kind person tell me what could be wrong and, even more importantly, how I can solve the problem. TIA David -- You have the power to be anything you want -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 27 17:35:36 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158352 for opro ; Tue, 27 Nov 101 17:35:35 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1006805101:10:13832:76; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 20:05:01 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1013314; 26 Nov 2001 20:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fAQK6Bg11639 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 20:06:11 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fAQK68N11636 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 20:06:09 GMT Received: from [62.188.138.58] (helo=argonet) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 168Rmf-00079A-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 19:51:17 +0000 Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 20:01:02 GMT From: Richard Watkinson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: JPEG Problem Message-ID: <71b79fdf4a.Richard@user.argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.24) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I have been taking photos with a Sony Mavica and trying to drag them into an Ovation Pro (V2.66) frame using RISC OS 3.7. If the file size is up to about 210K they drag in fine but larger files do not display. The frame 'blanks' and shows that an image is loaded - it can even be saved back out as the correct jpeg but it won't display. On similar setups with RISCOS 4.xx it works. I'm sure there is a simple answer to this but I can't find it. I've looked in choices and can not see any obvious memory restrictions and as far as I am aware both versions of Opro are identically configured. It is not a major problem as processing through Changefsi gives the desired results but I would like to solve this if anyone has a clue to the problem. Richard -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 27 17:35:38 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158353 for opro ; Tue, 27 Nov 101 17:35:37 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1006726203:20:27689:62; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 22:10:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2027569; 25 Nov 2001 22:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fAPMALX09764 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 22:10:21 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from altrade.nijmegen.internl.net (altrade.nijmegen.internl.net [217.149.192.18]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fAPMAJN09761 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 22:10:19 GMT Received: from padua by altrade.nijmegen.internl.net via 1Cust204.tnt15.rtm1.nl.uu.net [213.116.124.204] with SMTP for id XAA03268 (8.8.8/1.3); Sun, 25 Nov 2001 23:06:22 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <000c01c175fd$714668e0$4d01a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: "Ovation Pro" References: Subject: Re: !Fonts and OvationPro ... Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 23:05:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro David Love wrote: > I have recently removed several fonts from !Boot.Resources.!Fonts but > OvationPro still shows them as being available. However, if I type text > and then choose one of the fonts which should not be shown OvationPro > freezes. Did you also remove the Messages1 file? If one -with the listing that also includes the removed fonts- is present, the computer (and hence OvationPro) reads that list instead of looking at the present fonts. The command *fontcat shows, what is seen. Sometimes a double-click on !Fonts cures this, sometimes first removing this Messages1 file seems needed before a new, correct one is created. If you remove the Messages1 file, a new one is also created after a reboot as long as there are fonts present in !Fonts. Mrs. Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 27 17:36:00 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158363 for opro ; Tue, 27 Nov 101 17:35:59 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1006820607:10:03125:61; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 00:23:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1103524; 27 Nov 2001 0:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fAR0QxM12071 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 00:26:59 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from cmailg5.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg5.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.175]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fAR0QtN12064 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 00:26:55 GMT Received: from modem-8.protactinium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.65.8] helo=orchard-way) by cmailg5.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 168W1V-0008Bf-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 00:22:54 +0000 Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 00:00:20 GMT From: Alan Adams To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Amstrad to PC via Acorn? Message-ID: <00a0b5df4a.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10 (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: > In on Mon 26 Nov, Tomhopley@aol.com wrote: > > OK, this may seem off-topic for our RiscOS group, but.... > > A friend has a friend who has text files on an old Amstrad computer that he > > wants to access. He's put them on 3.5 inch floppies and found that PC's > > > > > > > I'll probably have to resurrect the A3000 and try that with its 800Kb > > floppy drive, or use the Sector Editor DISCEDIT on my even older Master > > Compact. > > If you are prepared to use a sector editor ther is a version of Diskedit > which runs on a RiscPC. (I used to have a copy in my utilities directory but > must have cleared it out sometime as it sin't there now.) > > > However, before I delve into the attic, does anybody know of a software > > solution which would allow the RiscPC to access these Amstrad 3.5 inch > > floppies? > > Anthony Hilton No direct help, but I think I may have a bit more information about the problem. Some of the Amstrad machines were PCs, other were dedicated word processors. The latter, I believe, ran CP/M. The CP/M disk format is published - indeed if you get desperate I think I can dig out some manuals for 1.4. CM/P 2 had a variation on the format, but there should be strong similarities. Using a disk sector editor would enable you to get at the data, but you do need to know the disk format. In particular, the sector numbering around a track is not sequential. The system I mostly worked on had five-and-a-quarter inch floppies, 18 sectors per track, 128 bytes per sector, and a skew factor of 4. The latter means that the sectors numbered 1 6 15 11 2 7 16 12 3 8 17 13 4 9 18 14 5 10 The sector ID is thus different from the sector position. The idea of skew factor is to allow the host to move the data from track 1 out of the buffer, then read sector 2, just as sector 2 arrives under the read head. -- Alan Adams alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 27 17:36:15 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158371 for opro ; Tue, 27 Nov 101 17:36:13 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1006848375:10:09102:60; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 08:06:15 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1119750; 27 Nov 2001 8:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fAR88qn12594 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 08:08:52 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fAR88nN12591 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 08:08:49 GMT Received: from [62.188.154.119] (helo=62.188.154.119) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 168d3x-0000te-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 07:53:54 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Ted Lacey) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 08:02:33 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.32 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Re: Amstrad to PC via Acorn? Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 27 Nov 2001 (00:00:20), alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk wrote: >In message you >wrote: > >> In on Mon 26 Nov, Tomhopley@aol.com wrote: >> > OK, this may seem off-topic for our RiscOS group, but.... >> > A friend has a friend who has text files on an old Amstrad computer >> > However, before I delve into the attic, does anybody know of a >software >> > solution which would allow the RiscPC to access these Amstrad 3.5 >inch >> > floppies? >> >> Anthony Hilton > >No direct help, but I think I may have a bit more information about the >problem. Some of the Amstrad machines were PCs, other were dedicated >word processors. If my memory serves me correctly, Amstrad produced two PCs - PC1512 and 1640. Both machines had 5 1/4 floppy drives. I still have a 1512 upgraded in memeory and with an external 3 1/2 floppy drive. The latter came as an add-on kit. I never had any trouble transferring programs from Amstrad to RISCPC - in fact I still use a couple of the programs. One of the most popular programs for word processing was Tasword. These machines used MSDOS 3.3 and the floppies were formatted 360k and 720k respectively. The word processing machines were Amstrad PCW8256 and PCW9512. I am not sure, but the second machine may have used a 3 1/2 floppy. They both had their own built in software and BUILT IN PRINTER. If your friend can remember about the printer part then you will know which machine he was using. Hope this helps. Ted -- ________________________________________________________________________________ Ted Lacey - ZFC LXXX - RiscPC600 - StrongArmed tedell@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 27 17:36:17 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158372 for opro ; Tue, 27 Nov 101 17:36:16 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1006848456:10:15167:60; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 08:07:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1122617; 27 Nov 2001 8:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fAR8Akn12611 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 08:10:46 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fAR8AhN12608 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 08:10:44 GMT Received: from [62.188.146.213] (helo=RiscPC) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 168d5o-0000wR-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 07:55:49 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 20:58:30 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Amstrad to PC via Acorn? Message-ID: <4adfa4fa56steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <6b.1e430c16.2933c77b@aol.com> References: <6b.1e430c16.2933c77b@aol.com> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <6b.1e430c16.2933c77b@aol.com>, wrote: > However, before I delve into the attic, does anybody know of a > software solution which would allow the RiscPC to access these > Amstrad 3.5 inch floppies? Didn't the Amstrad use the CP/M filing system? Similar to DOS as I recall but the disc is probably only 720k (or even 360k) The disc recovery utility QFR allows other disc sector and track values than the standard. -- Steve Pampling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 27 17:36:37 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158381 for opro ; Tue, 27 Nov 101 17:36:36 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1006813861:20:08618:61; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 22:31:01 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2008322; 26 Nov 2001 22:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fAQMY1G11862 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 22:34:01 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net ([212.159.14.225]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id fAQMXwN11859 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 22:33:58 GMT Received: (qmail 11039 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2001 22:29:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (212.159.25.53) by murphy.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 26 Nov 2001 22:29:50 -0000 Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 22:21:03 +0000 (GMT) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: Amstrad to PC via Acorn? To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <6b.1e430c16.2933c77b@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Mon 26 Nov, Tomhopley@aol.com wrote: > OK, this may seem off-topic for our RiscOS group, but.... > A friend has a friend who has text files on an old Amstrad computer that he > wants to access. He's put them on 3.5 inch floppies and found that PC's > > > I'll probably have to resurrect the A3000 and try that with its 800Kb > floppy drive, or use the Sector Editor DISCEDIT on my even older Master > Compact. If you are prepared to use a sector editor ther is a version of Diskedit which runs on a RiscPC. (I used to have a copy in my utilities directory but must have cleared it out sometime as it sin't there now.) > However, before I delve into the attic, does anybody know of a software > solution which would allow the RiscPC to access these Amstrad 3.5 inch > floppies? Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 27 17:36:47 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158385 for opro ; Tue, 27 Nov 101 17:36:43 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1006863428:10:25747:67; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 12:17:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1024775; 27 Nov 2001 12:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fARBD9P14669 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 11:13:10 GMT Received: from mail-r1.hw.ac.uk (mail-r.hw.ac.uk [137.195.101.211]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fARBD4W14660 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 11:13:04 GMT Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.32.15]) by mail-r1.hw.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 168g6h-0005LT-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 11:08:55 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: "'ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk'" Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 11:05:09 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Overfull Document list Message-ID: <4adff27dc3C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <21B2A2008F16D2118E7A00805F8BF7ECA99717@w12wnxu01.wn.bbc.co.uk> References: <21B2A2008F16D2118E7A00805F8BF7ECA99717@w12wnxu01.wn.bbc.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.24) Content-Type: text/plain X-Scanner: exiscan *168g6h-0005LT-00*9Q/lPNpAaPk* http://duncanthrax.net/exiscan/ Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <21B2A2008F16D2118E7A00805F8BF7ECA99717@w12wnxu01.wn.bbc.co.uk>, Michael Hunter wrote: > > Martin Vethake [SMTP:martinv@ucs.de] wrote > > > > In message <4adeff039bphilhet@argonet.co.uk> you wrote: > > > > > On the Menu on the Ovation Pro since 2.66 icon there is an item > > > Documents. The list produced is getting too long, and includes many > > > documents I no longer want! How can I cull it and make a fresh start? > > > The Discard Document entry is whited out and I cannot see anything on > > > the Choices menu item to alter the way Documents behaves. > > > > > It is an applet named !Document and it is simplicity itself. > > Which means it does not have any interface other than its menu > > and it will keep on growing until - it fills the screen. Just > > what every humble program is meant to do. To stop it You will have > > to use a bit of casual violence and open its application directory. > > Inside is a file "Documents" which is not data at all and loads > > quite nicely into !Edit. You may either mess with its contents > > (filename followed by tab etc.) or just delete everithing inside. > > Just like the Windows feature with the same name You will have > > to baby the thing forever on unless You switch it off. > > > I have not got access to Ovation at work but my version of !Documents lists > just the last 10 files. > I'm think I'm using version number 1.03 and I think the number of files > displayed may be an easy to set value. > I don't remember any change at version 2.66 - this applet first appeared > around version 2.57 > Hope this helps. There is no need for any violence! You need to edit the file !OvnPro.Applets.!Document.Library.Document. The second line of the file (in mine) reads int document_number = 10; This line in the code sets the number of documents to be remembered. Set it to the value you wish. I thought it was 10 by default, so why the original poster is having the problem is not clear, unless it has inadvertantly been changed to a very large number. Chris... -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) mailto: opro@chris-johnson.org.uk (at home) ovpro web site: http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ ovpro mirror: http://www.bulldog.u-net.com/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 27 17:36:52 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158386 for opro ; Tue, 27 Nov 101 17:36:47 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1006820608:20:22736:60; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 00:23:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2117843; 27 Nov 2001 0:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fAR0R1I12072 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 00:27:01 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from cmailg5.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg5.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.175]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fAR0QuN12068 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 00:26:57 GMT Received: from modem-8.protactinium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.65.8] helo=orchard-way) by cmailg5.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 168W1X-0008Bf-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 00:22:55 +0000 Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 00:08:05 GMT From: Alan Adams To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: JPEG Problem Message-ID: References: <71b79fdf4a.Richard@user.argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <71b79fdf4a.Richard@user.argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10 (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <71b79fdf4a.Richard@user.argonet.co.uk> you wrote: > I have been taking photos with a Sony Mavica and trying to drag them > into an Ovation Pro (V2.66) frame using RISC OS 3.7. > > If the file size is up to about 210K they drag in fine but larger files > do not display. The frame 'blanks' and shows that an image is loaded - > it can even be saved back out as the correct jpeg but it won't display. > > On similar setups with RISCOS 4.xx it works. > > I'm sure there is a simple answer to this but I can't find it. I've > looked in choices and can not see any obvious memory restrictions and as > far as I am aware both versions of Opro are identically configured. > > It is not a major problem as processing through Changefsi gives the > desired results but I would like to solve this if anyone has a clue to > the problem. > > Richard > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message > One thought - what is the Ovation Pro setting controlling proxy and referenced images - is it changing behavious at 210K because of this? Choices - Picture - Reference if over - mine is set to 200K -- Alan Adams alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 27 17:37:13 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158394 for opro ; Tue, 27 Nov 101 17:37:11 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1006850842:20:12250:60; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 08:47:22 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2101754; 27 Nov 2001 8:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fAR8ool12813 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 08:50:50 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from mail1.ims-firmen.de (qmailr@mail1.ims-firmen.de [213.174.32.56]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id fAR8olN12810 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 08:50:47 GMT Received: (qmail 24951 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2001 08:46:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO uff411.ucs.de) (212.62.74.175) by mail1.ims-firmen.de with SMTP; 27 Nov 2001 08:46:36 -0000 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Received: from kaskaskia.ucs.de ([192.168.202.184]) by uff411.ucs.de; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 09:45:27 +0100 Received: from martinv by kaskaskia.ucs.de with local (RemoteNB 1.50) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; 27 Nov 2001 09:45:24 +0100 Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 09:45:18 +0100 From: Martin Vethake To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Overfuk Document list Message-ID: References: <4adeff039bphilhet@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4adeff039bphilhet@argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: U C S User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (RemoteNB/1.50) (RISC-OS/3.70) X-Editor: Zap 1.44 (14 Jan 2001) [TEST 4], ZapEmail 0.25 (20 Sep 2000) test-5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <4adeff039bphilhet@argonet.co.uk> you wrote: > On the Menu on the Ovation Pro since 2.66 icon there is an item > Documents. The list produced is getting too long, and includes many > documents I no longer want! How can I cull it and make a fresh start? > The Discard Document entry is whited out and I cannot see anything on > the Choices menu item to alter the way Documents behaves. > It is an applet named !Document and it is simplicity itself. Which means it does not have any interface other than its menu and it will keep on growing until - it fills the screen. Just what every humble program is meant to do. To stop it You will have to use a bit of casual violence and open its application directory. Inside is a file "Documents" which is not data at all and loads quite nicely into !Edit. You may either mess with its contents (filename followed by tab etc.) or just delete everithing inside. Just like the Windows feature with the same name You will have to baby the thing forever on unless You switch it off. Regards -- Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 27 17:37:16 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158395 for opro ; Tue, 27 Nov 101 17:37:14 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1006852383:20:25597:62; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 09:13:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2024805; 27 Nov 2001 9:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fAR98eQ12895 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 09:08:40 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from gateg.thls.bbc.co.uk (gateg.thls.bbc.co.uk [132.185.240.16]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fAR98cN12892 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 09:08:38 GMT Received: from w1bhxi04.radio.bbc.co.uk ([10.48.8.68]) by gateg.thls.bbc.co.uk (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id fAR94RK21089 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 09:04:27 GMT Received: from w1bhxf01.radio.bbc.co.uk (unverified) by w1bhxi04.radio.bbc.co.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.5) with ESMTP id for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 09:04:26 -0000 Message-ID: <21B2A2008F16D2118E7A00805F8BF7ECA99717@w12wnxu01.wn.bbc.co.uk> From: Michael Hunter To: "'ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk'" Subject: RE: Overfull Document list Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 09:04:16 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > Martin Vethake [SMTP:martinv@ucs.de] wrote > > In message <4adeff039bphilhet@argonet.co.uk> you wrote: > > > On the Menu on the Ovation Pro since 2.66 icon there is an item > > Documents. The list produced is getting too long, and includes many > > documents I no longer want! How can I cull it and make a fresh start? > > The Discard Document entry is whited out and I cannot see anything on > > the Choices menu item to alter the way Documents behaves. > > > It is an applet named !Document and it is simplicity itself. > Which means it does not have any interface other than its menu > and it will keep on growing until - it fills the screen. Just > what every humble program is meant to do. To stop it You will have > to use a bit of casual violence and open its application directory. > Inside is a file "Documents" which is not data at all and loads > quite nicely into !Edit. You may either mess with its contents > (filename followed by tab etc.) or just delete everithing inside. > Just like the Windows feature with the same name You will have > to baby the thing forever on unless You switch it off. > I have not got access to Ovation at work but my version of !Documents lists just the last 10 files. I'm think I'm using version number 1.03 and I think the number of files displayed may be an easy to set value. I don't remember any change at version 2.66 - this applet first appeared around version 2.57 Hope this helps. There is no need for any violence! Michael This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify me immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the BBC, unless specifically stated. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 27 17:37:41 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158400 for opro ; Tue, 27 Nov 101 17:37:40 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1006863716:20:07394:340; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 12:21:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2116965; 27 Nov 2001 12:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fARB2j113941 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 11:02:45 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fARB2f613938 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 11:02:41 GMT Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([158.152.204.98]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 168fwg-000DJC-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 10:58:34 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 10:55:24 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Amstrad to PC via Acorn? Message-ID: <4adff198fdjohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.24) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id fARB2g613939 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id fARB2j213941 In article , Ted Lacey wrote: > The word processing machines were Amstrad PCW8256 and PCW8512 > and PCW9512. I am not sure, but the second machine may have used a 3 > 1/2 floppy. They both had their own built in software and BUILT IN > PRINTER. If your friend can remember about the printer part then you > will know which machine he was using. Both machines used the 'standard' 3" drive used by Amstrad on these machines and the earlier CPC machines as well as on the unrelated Einstei= n machines. A 3=BD" drive could be added using standard (current) discs and these could be used in PCs and RISC OS machines but a reader program was required. There is a reader for PCs and someone was working on a reader f= or RISC OS machines and obtained a working version to read LocoScript files = at least. NB The 'word processing' machines were full CP/M computers - I used my PCW8256 for DTP work, producing posters and tickets as well as data processing (using a pseudo-relational DB) and playing HHGTTG amongst many other things! --=20 John Cartmell - Manchester, UK Fleur Designs -- compact designer board games -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 27 17:37:50 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158403 for opro ; Tue, 27 Nov 101 17:37:49 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1006867013:20:26740:129; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 13:16:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2005267; 27 Nov 2001 12:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fARD2V716894 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 13:02:31 GMT Received: from mail1.ims-firmen.de (qmailr@mail1.ims-firmen.de [213.174.32.56]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id fARD2SW16891 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 13:02:28 GMT Received: (qmail 3253 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2001 12:58:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO uff411.ucs.de) (212.62.74.104) by mail1.ims-firmen.de with SMTP; 27 Nov 2001 12:58:17 -0000 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Received: from kaskaskia.ucs.de ([192.168.202.184]) by uff411.ucs.de; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 13:57:01 +0100 Received: from martinv by kaskaskia.ucs.de with local (RemoteNB 1.50) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; 27 Nov 2001 13:56:59 +0100 Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 13:56:53 +0100 From: Martin Vethake To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: RE: Overfull Document list Message-ID: <59b8fcdf4a.martinv@kaskaskia.ucs.de> References: <21B2A2008F16D2118E7A00805F8BF7ECA99717@w12wnxu01.wn.bbc.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <21B2A2008F16D2118E7A00805F8BF7ECA99717@w12wnxu01.wn.bbc.co.uk> X-Organization: U C S User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (RemoteNB/1.50) (RISC-OS/3.70) X-Editor: Zap 1.44 (14 Jan 2001) [TEST 4], ZapEmail 0.25 (20 Sep 2000) test-5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <21B2A2008F16D2118E7A00805F8BF7ECA99717@w12wnxu01.wn.bbc.co.uk> you wrote: > > > > > Martin Vethake [SMTP:martinv@ucs.de] wrote > > > > In message <4adeff039bphilhet@argonet.co.uk> you wrote: [snip] > I have not got access to Ovation at work but my version of !Documents lists > just the last 10 files. > Ooops... reading the help-file reveals this. > I'm think I'm using version number 1.03 and I think the number of files > displayed may be an easy to set value. > True also, looking at the source it is right at the beginning 'document_source = 10' what a slouch I am. > I don't remember any change at version 2.66 - this applet first appeared > around version 2.57 > My 2.51 has it while 2.49 does not. Everything in between is in a bit of a mess (applet-wise) over here. > Hope this helps. There is no need for any violence! > Ripping the guts from the insides of an unsuspecting data-file - how cruel can You get? O.k. let's say under our careful hands it's surgery. But still the uninitiated onlooker might think differently. Yes, it's one of those days ;) Regards -- Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 27 17:37:55 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158405 for opro ; Tue, 27 Nov 101 17:37:54 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1006869576:20:00221:61; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 13:59:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2101918; 27 Nov 2001 13:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fARDthf17076 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 13:55:43 GMT Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fARDtfW17073 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 13:55:41 GMT Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 168idy-000MYB-0W for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 13:51:26 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 13:40:42 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Overfuk Document list Message-ID: <4ae000bb4eJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4adeff039bphilhet@argonet.co.uk> References: <4adeff039bphilhet@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03a (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On 25 Nov, Philip Hetherington wrote: > On the Menu on the Ovation Pro since 2.66 icon there is an item > "Documents". The list produced is getting too long & includes many > documents I no longer want! How can I cull it and make a fresh start? Reading other responses to this question makes me think that it would be nice if the applet also allowed users to edit the doc list. After all, there's no joy in seeing document names fall off the bottom of a list just because a bunch of other files have been edited more recently... especially if the docs whose names are lost are major working documents and the ones whose names replace those are mor minor things. -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 27 20:06:18 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158427 for opro ; Tue, 27 Nov 101 20:06:16 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1006885397:20:09401:60; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 18:23:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2110722; 27 Nov 2001 18:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fARIPWp17819 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 18:25:32 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fARIPUW17815 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 18:25:30 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 168mr2-000BSj-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 18:21:12 +0000 Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 17:46:46 GMT Message-Id: <158410@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: JPEG Problem X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro ISTR that the Mavica produces JPEG's which are not standardised enough for RISC OS, and that there is a PD program around which can clean them up. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 27 20:06:18 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158428 for opro ; Tue, 27 Nov 101 20:06:16 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1006887203:10:20505:60; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 18:53:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1020230; 27 Nov 2001 18:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fARIuMK18058 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 18:56:22 GMT Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fARIuJW18055 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 18:56:19 GMT Received: from [62.188.138.51] (helo=RiscPC) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 168nAU-0000GZ-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 18:41:18 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 08:28:01 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Amstrad to PC via Acorn? Message-ID: <4adfe41afasteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Ted Lacey wrote: > The word processing machines were Amstrad PCW8256 and PCW9512. I > am not sure, but the second machine may have used a 3 1/2 floppy. 3 inch rather than 3.5 for the word processor units. > They both had their own built in software and BUILT IN PRINTER. Not quite built in as I recall, but the power came along the same cable as the data. Truly awful print quality too, even for that era. -- Steve Pampling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 27 20:06:22 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158429 for opro ; Tue, 27 Nov 101 20:06:19 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1006886379:20:29499:129; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 18:39:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2100982; 27 Nov 2001 18:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fARIKkf17771 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 18:20:46 GMT Received: from mail1.svr.pol.co.uk (mail1.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.18]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fARIKhW17768 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 18:20:43 GMT Received: from modem-90.biaxin.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.82.218] helo=kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk) by mail1.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 168mmS-0001dK-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 18:16:30 +0000 Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 19:03:48 +0000 (GMT) From: "John P. Kerslake" Subject: Re: !Fonts and OvationPro ... To: Ovation Pro In-Reply-To: <000c01c175fd$714668e0$4d01a8c0@padua> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sun 25 Nov, Tonnie Demarteau wrote: > > David Love wrote: > > > I have recently removed several fonts from !Boot.Resources.!Fonts but > > OvationPro still shows them as being available. However, if I type text > > and then choose one of the fonts which should not be shown OvationPro > > freezes. > > Did you also remove the Messages1 file? > > If one -with the listing that also includes the removed fonts- is present, the > computer (and hence OvationPro) reads that list instead of looking at the > present fonts. The command *fontcat shows, what is seen. > > Sometimes a double-click on !Fonts cures this, sometimes first removing this > Messages1 file seems needed before a new, correct one is created. > > If you remove the Messages1 file, a new one is also created after a reboot as > long as there are fonts present in !Fonts. > > Mrs. Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands. > Non on my system. I deleated Messages1 several months past. Still no sight of a replacment. I shutdown after each use. -- J.P. Kerslake B.Sc., F.B.I.S. Pager 07626 - 235878, e-mail Home = johnpercy@kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk, Dyslexia Rules KO. RiscStation 64 meg 50 ns RAM. 9G HD, Ant INS. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 27 20:06:23 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158430 for opro ; Tue, 27 Nov 101 20:06:20 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1006889402:10:29665:61; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 19:30:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1029323; 27 Nov 2001 19:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fARJX6U18245 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 19:33:06 GMT Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fARJX3W18242 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 19:33:04 GMT Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([158.152.204.98]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 168nuW-00094D-0Y for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 19:28:52 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 19:11:03 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: JPEG Problem Message-ID: <4ae01efa17john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <158410@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <158410@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.24) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <158410@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > ISTR that the Mavica produces JPEG's which are not standardised enough > for RISC OS, and that there is a PD program around which can clean them > up. For the past 3 years (at least) the Mavicas have produced standard JPEGs. -- Fleur Designs - Manchester UK http://www.cartmell.demon.co.uk ~ designer craft products ~ information products ~ information services ~ Original (and unique) Board Games designed using RISC OS computers see us on Sat 1 Dec 2001 - Birmingham RISC OS show - National Motorbike Museum -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 27 20:06:25 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158431 for opro ; Tue, 27 Nov 101 20:06:24 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1006886945:20:02403:526; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 18:49:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2104106; 27 Nov 2001 18:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fARIPc117829 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 18:25:38 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fARIPXW17821 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 18:25:33 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 168mr6-000BSj-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 18:21:16 +0000 Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 17:47:52 GMT Message-Id: <158412@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Printing woes X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In the last week or so two old printing problems have been brought up here. Firstly the combination of enhanced justification and tracking leading to a right ragged edge. Jan Vredenburch has sent me an example of this. My opinion remains unchanged, this is a bug in the printer drivers which was fixed by Robin Watts in early 2000, and the latest version of the drivers contain the fix. What remains to be established is which version the fix is in, and where you get it from. The second one is the fact that draw module output changes position relative to font manager output depending on print scale and printer resolution. I checked with Robin Watts about this, apparently he located the problem but the fix requires a new higher precision font manager. Tough luck in other words. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 27 21:56:37 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158437 for opro ; Tue, 27 Nov 101 21:56:35 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1006891586:10:13198:60; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 20:06:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1012853; 27 Nov 2001 20:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fARK9E518420 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 20:09:14 GMT Received: from hecate.chariot.net.au (IDENT:root@hecate.chariot.net.au [203.30.236.82]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fARK99W18417 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 20:09:09 GMT Received: from localhost (ad3-203-30-236-104.chariot.net.au [203.30.236.104]) by hecate.chariot.net.au (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id fARK4oW27524 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 06:34:51 +1030 Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 08:12:52 +1030 From: Peter Prewett To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Align Message-ID: <000aa9df4a.pprewett@chariot.net.au> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.24) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro One thing I keep coming up with is the need to align frames other than using the grid I have not found a method of getting different size frames centred etc. Am I missing something:-(( Cheers -- Peter Prewett, Coromandel Valley, South Australia -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 27 21:56:38 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158438 for opro ; Tue, 27 Nov 101 21:56:35 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1006891502:20:04424:61; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 20:05:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2121147; 27 Nov 2001 20:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fARK7cJ18402 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 20:07:38 GMT Received: from mel-rti19.wanadoo.fr ([193.252.19.44]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fARK7OW18399 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 20:07:27 GMT Received: from mel-rta8.wanadoo.fr (193.252.19.79) by mel-rti19.wanadoo.fr; 27 Nov 2001 21:03:04 +0100 Received: from habett (193.251.58.42) by mel-rta8.wanadoo.fr; 27 Nov 2001 21:01:53 +0100 Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 21:01:57 +0100 From: stephane HAbeTT roux To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: JPEG Problem Message-ID: References: <158410@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4ae01efa17john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4ae01efa17john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Islam Inc, canal anti.historique User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.03) POPstar/2.03 X-Peer2Peer-Protocol: Dummies to dummies X-Priority: 911 X-URL: http://habett.org/ X-Accept-Language: en, fr, perl, de X-Hello-Kitty: meow meow. Keywords: nihilism, random, chaos MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <4ae01efa17john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > In article <158410@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling > wrote: > > ISTR that the Mavica produces JPEG's which are not standardised enough > > for RISC OS, and that there is a PD program around which can clean them > > up. I have an old mavica which produces problematic jpeg. now i use Oregano to convert them to sprites. easy and fast way for single pictures. -- |":._.:"| http://habett.org/ | (=) | habett@habett.org | (/'\) | Who really Cares ? Who's willing to try ? -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 27 21:56:42 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158440 for opro ; Tue, 27 Nov 101 21:56:40 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1006893123:20:08979:60; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 20:32:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2119549; 27 Nov 2001 20:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fARKZHH18544 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 20:35:17 GMT Received: from mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (mta07-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.47]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fARKZDW18540 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 20:35:14 GMT Received: from gwen ([213.104.166.133]) by mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.13 201-229-121-113) with SMTP id <20011127203101.MKJS692.mta07-svc.ntlworld.com@gwen> for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 20:31:01 +0000 From: "Nick Kaijaks" To: Subject: RE: Align Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 20:27:15 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000aa9df4a.pprewett@chariot.net.au> Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Peter Prewett wrote: > One thing I keep coming up with is the need to align frames other than > using the grid I have not found a method of getting different size > frames centred etc. > > Am I missing something:-(( Perhaps the Arrange applet... http://pilling.users.netlink.co.uk/ovationpro/applets/files/arrnge.zip Would that do the trick for what you had in mind? Cheers, Nick -- Dr Nick Kaijaks, Pinxit Design - Information Design for Internet and print http://www.kaijaks.co.uk/ mailto:nick@kaijaks.co.uk Disclaimer: caveat internettor -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 27 22:56:40 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158463 for opro ; Tue, 27 Nov 101 22:56:36 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1006898198:10:02426:60; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 21:56:38 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1001416; 27 Nov 2001 21:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fARLxmv18768 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 21:59:48 GMT Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net ([212.159.14.227]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id fARLxkW18765 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 21:59:46 GMT Received: (qmail 14771 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2001 21:55:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (212.159.21.196) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Nov 2001 21:55:24 -0000 Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 20:38:01 +0000 (GMT) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: Printing woes To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <158412@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Tue 27 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > > In the last week or so two old printing problems have been brought up here. > > Firstly the combination of enhanced justification and tracking leading > to a right ragged edge. Jan Vredenburch has sent me an example of this. > My opinion remains unchanged, this is a bug in the printer drivers which > was fixed by Robin Watts in early 2000, and the latest version of the > drivers contain the fix. > > What remains to be established is which version the fix is in, and where > you get it from. Presumably 1.64 which has a runimage dated March 2000 - 1.53 is dated April 1996. I'm still running 1.53 but have recently downloaded 1.64 from somewhere - RISCOS Ltd site perhaps. Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 27 22:56:44 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158464 for opro ; Tue, 27 Nov 101 22:56:42 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1006901491:10:21562:60; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 22:51:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1104485; 27 Nov 2001 22:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fARMt2B18910 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 22:55:02 GMT Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fARMt0W18907 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 22:55:00 GMT Received: from [62.188.134.36] (helo=RiscPC) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 168qtK-0000Yi-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 22:39:51 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 21:50:58 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Amstrad to PC via Acorn? Message-ID: <4ae02d9dfdsteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4adff198fdjohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> References: <4adff198fdjohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <4adff198fdjohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk>, John Cartmell wrote: > There is a reader for PCs and someone was working on a reader for > RISC OS machines and obtained a working version to read LocoScript > files at least. The text processor was fairly simple and rather similar to the Wordstar format IIRC so creating a translator shouldn't be too difficult. -- Steve Pampling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 28 02:49:18 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158469 for opro ; Wed, 28 Nov 101 02:49:16 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1006901653:20:12696:60; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 22:54:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2012231; 27 Nov 2001 22:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fARMvZ418950 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 22:57:35 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fARMvWW18944 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 22:57:32 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 168r6L-0003UU-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 22:53:18 +0000 Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 22:00:46 GMT Message-Id: <158446@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: JPEG Problem X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >For the past 3 years (at least) the Mavicas have produced standard JPEGs. And yet the question is framed as being a problem with Mavica produced JPEGs. Which brings forth two comments - does the same problem occur with any old JPEG bigger than 210K (produce one from David Pilling's scanning software or whatever). And second load the Mavica JPEG into Draw, which will use the same RISC OS JPEG rendering code as OP. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 28 02:49:18 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158470 for opro ; Wed, 28 Nov 101 02:49:16 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1006902154:10:14676:60; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 23:02:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1124608; 27 Nov 2001 23:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fARMvsR18972 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 22:57:54 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fARMviW18967 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 22:57:44 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 168r6Y-0003UU-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 22:53:30 +0000 Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 22:05:56 GMT Message-Id: <158454@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Mail merging pictures X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I would like to be able to mail merge pictures into an OvationPro >document. Yes this can be done, see either the chapter in the new (CD) manual, or the document on the web site on large picture handling. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 28 02:49:23 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158472 for opro ; Wed, 28 Nov 101 02:49:20 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1006903063:10:24265:63; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 23:17:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1023966; 27 Nov 2001 23:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fARMvcm18952 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 22:57:38 GMT Received: from cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.171]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fAQ13DN10009 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 01:03:26 GMT Received: from modem-84.minnesota.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.74.84] helo=drood68) by cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 168A7H-000289-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 00:59:24 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Brian Jordan To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 00:50:25 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Overfuk Document list Message-ID: <4adf365fb0brian@drood68.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4adeff039bphilhet@argonet.co.uk> References: <4adeff039bphilhet@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.24) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <4adeff039bphilhet@argonet.co.uk>, Philip Hetherington wrote: > On the Menu on the Ovation Pro since 2.66 icon there is an item > Documents. The list produced is getting too long, and includes many > documents I no longer want! How can I cull it and make a fresh start? > The Discard Document entry is whited out and I cannot see anything on > the Choices menu item to alter the way Documents behaves. Don't you hate the way the'k' is right next to the 'l'? Anyway, back to the plot... The 'Documents' entry on the icon bar menu is courtesy of the !Documents applet. It is possible to go in to the applet within OvationPro and manually edit, or remove entirely, the 'Documents' file. Change it from type 'Data' to 'Text' and it will be revealed to be a tab separated list of documents with full path information. Remove the files you no longer require and Robert, aunty, etcetera. I suspect there may well be another way given your comment about a 'Discard Document' entry - trouble is that particular entry does not appear here. -- Brian Jordan >From an SA RPC somewhere in North Hampshire. England -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 28 02:49:30 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158474 for opro ; Wed, 28 Nov 101 02:49:26 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1006904793:10:14600:60; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 23:46:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1013766; 27 Nov 2001 23:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fARMvoc18971 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 22:57:50 GMT Received: from mailout06.sul.t-online.de (mailout06.sul.t-online.com [194.25.134.19]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fAR0CxN12038 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 00:12:59 GMT Received: from fwd06.sul.t-online.de by mailout06.sul.t-online.de with smtp id 168Vo1-0003Wg-03; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 01:08:57 +0100 Received: from lcs (320027509903-0001@[62.224.97.118]) by fmrl06.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 168Vns-27XhXkC; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 01:08:48 +0100 Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 01:07:51 GMT From: Steffen Huber To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Amstrad to PC via Acorn? Message-ID: <64cebbdf4a.steffen@huber-net.de> References: <6b.1e430c16.2933c77b@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <6b.1e430c16.2933c77b@aol.com> X-Organization: LCS, LambdaComm System, WN-Hohenacker User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (Newsbase/0.68a) (RISC-OS/4.24) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.68a X-Sender: 320027509903-0001@t-dialin.net Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <6b.1e430c16.2933c77b@aol.com> Tomhopley@aol.com wrote: > OK, this may seem off-topic for our RiscOS group, but.... ....of course you hoped that someone knows the answer... > A friend has a friend who has text files on an old Amstrad computer > that he wants to access. The most important question here is: what Amstrad? CPC or PCW? > He's put them on 3.5 inch floppies and found that PC's can't read > them (surprise!). I vaguely remembered that Amstrad format was > available on my RiscPC and duly said I'd try using the trusty Acorn. > (Usual surprise - isn't that a Mac? Is Acorn still going? etc). > > Of course I now find that the RiscPC can handle Atari format not > Amstrad. I've tried Andreas Stroiczek's Amstrad emulator suite > !CPCEmu. That happily converts the RiscPC to run as an Amstrad in > every way except actually reading from the floppy drive. The OS > seems to expect 40 track two-sided floppies. The standard CPC format was 40 tracks, 9 sectors per track, 512 bytes per sector. It was "single sided" only - you had to turn the disc around to access the second side. The PCW added an 80 track/double sided format later, originally also 3", but later (PCW9512+ and later) they also featured 3.5" drives. It was however possible to use a bog standard 5.25"/3.5" drive with both the PCW and the CPC. No CPC emulator on the Acorn has ever tried to access real floppy hardware. > I'll probably have to resurrect the A3000 and try that with its 800Kb > floppy drive, or use the Sector Editor DISCEDIT on my even older > Master Compact. > > However, before I delve into the attic, does anybody know of a > software solution which would allow the RiscPC to access these > Amstrad 3.5 inch floppies? TIA TomH I don't know of any "run-out-of-the-box" solutions for the Risc PC. I would suggest you use CPDread (for CPC discs) or PCWtrans (for PCW discs) on a PC near you. Another option is to use "DOSCOPY" on the CPC to copy those files to DOS-formatted discs. Steffen -- Steffen Huber LambdaComm System - Welcome to Trollinger Country steffen@huber-net.de Private homepage http://www.huber-net.de/ ....Unix ist benutzerfreundlich.Es ist nur sehr waehlerisch,was Freunde angeht -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 28 02:49:48 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158475 for opro ; Wed, 28 Nov 101 02:49:45 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1006903994:20:01546:60; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 23:33:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2001338; 27 Nov 2001 23:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fARMvkH18968 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 22:57:46 GMT Received: from mgw-x1.nokia.com (mgw-x1.nokia.com [131.228.20.21]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fAQF1qN11029 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 15:01:52 GMT Received: from esvir01nok.ntc.nokia.com (esvir01nokt.ntc.nokia.com [172.21.143.33]) by mgw-x1.nokia.com (Switch-2.1.0/Switch-2.1.0) with ESMTP id fAQEtsc10464 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 16:55:54 +0200 (EET) Received: from esebh02nok.ntc.nokia.com (unverified) by esvir01nok.ntc.nokia.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.5) with ESMTP id for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 16:57:55 +0200 Message-ID: <9CF2FB08B97A5645A22A05B4A106DBEE1229B7@caebe002.NOE.Nokia.com> From: To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Mail merging pictures Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 15:58:00 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2652.78) content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, I thought I remembered a thread on this, but I can't find it in the archives, so here goes: I would like to be able to mail merge pictures into an OvationPro document. The CSV file will contain the path of the picture, and I would create a frame for the picture on the template document (In case it is relevant, there would be multiple records per page). I don't think this is possible, but correct me if I am wrong? I thought I might be able to use {dll()} to insert the DLL for a picture in the macro for the appropriate mail merge field, but you can't edit the document while a mail merge is in progress so this fails. The other way I thought of was to do the mail merge and save the resulting file to run a macro on it to search for the file paths and insert the appropriate picture. This falls down because I don't think you can save the result of a merge and I have not the capability to write the macro for the search (nor the DLL for the picture)! Any other bright ideas? Cheers, Jonathan Mist PS (Before anyone suggests it, Easiwriter Pro+ won't work, it will mail merge pictures, after I have done a Perl script to create an HTML table as the source for the merge, but it can't print more than one mail merged record per page and the formatting is nasty ;-) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 28 14:15:40 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158494 for opro ; Wed, 28 Nov 101 14:15:37 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1006918525:20:22872:60; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 03:35:25 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2100075; 28 Nov 2001 3:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fAS3d2J19744 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 03:39:02 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fAS3cxW19740 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 03:38:59 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 168vUg-000DSk-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 03:34:42 +0000 Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 03:11:21 GMT Message-Id: <158482@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Amstrad to PC via Acorn? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I'd think a CP/M emulator for the PC would be one approach. Undoubtedly someone will have done a CP/M disc reader for DOS or Windows too. Much of DOS was based on CP/M. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 28 14:15:44 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158496 for opro ; Wed, 28 Nov 101 14:15:41 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1006918542:20:23672:60; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 03:35:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2100091; 28 Nov 2001 3:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fAS3d1U19743 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 03:39:01 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fAS3cwW19736 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 03:38:58 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 168vUc-000DSk-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 03:34:38 +0000 Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 03:09:56 GMT Message-Id: <158480@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Overfuk Document list X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >'Discard Document' entry - trouble is that particular entry does not >appear here. I think it comes from another applet, the HideDoc one. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 28 14:15:48 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158498 for opro ; Wed, 28 Nov 101 14:15:46 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1006930779:10:19660:61; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 06:59:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1115287; 28 Nov 2001 6:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fAS73Qs20097 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 07:03:27 GMT Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fAS73OW20094 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 07:03:24 GMT Received: from [62.188.151.89] (helo=62.188.151.89) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 168yVt-0003Vw-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 06:48:10 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Philip Hetherington To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 19:14:06 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Overfuk Document list Message-ID: <4ae01f4148philhet@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4adeff039bphilhet@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Martin Vethake wrote: > In message <4adeff039bphilhet@argonet.co.uk> you wrote: > > On the Menu on the Ovation Pro since 2.66 icon there is an item > > Documents. The list produced is getting too long, and includes many > > documents I no longer want! How can I cull it and make a fresh start? > > The Discard Document entry is whited out and I cannot see anything on > > the Choices menu item to alter the way Documents behaves. > > > It is an applet named !Document and it is simplicity itself. > Which means it does not have any interface other than its menu > and it will keep on growing until - it fills the screen. Just > what every humble program is meant to do. To stop it You will have > to use a bit of casual violence and open its application directory. > Inside is a file "Documents" which is not data at all and loads > quite nicely into !Edit. You may either mess with its contents > (filename followed by tab etc.) or just delete everithing inside. > Just like the Windows feature with the same name You will have > to baby the thing forever on unless You switch it off. > Regards Thanks very much. I realise now that the item in a menu of 10 applied to this document list. But I didn't need to refer back to any of those on the list as I just referenced them in the appropriate directory(personal, finance or letters) I have now cleaned it out and will keep an eye on it now that I know where to look. Phil Hetherington * ... A clean disk is the sign of a sick computer.. -- Phil Hetherington - turned 83 -feeling 14 - ZFC G+ SA+Riscos4 -philhet@argonet.co.uk No spam please -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 28 14:16:03 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158503 for opro ; Wed, 28 Nov 101 14:16:00 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1006941590:20:14899:60; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 09:59:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2108104; 28 Nov 2001 9:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fASA2WL20413 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 10:02:32 GMT Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fASA2TW20410 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 10:02:30 GMT Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([158.152.204.98]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 1691Tm-0002Ex-0U for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 09:58:10 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 09:57:45 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Amstrad to PC via Acorn? Message-ID: <4ae07027e1john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <158482@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <158482@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.24) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <158482@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > I'd think a CP/M emulator for the PC would be one approach. Undoubtedly > someone will have done a CP/M disc reader for DOS or Windows too. > Much of DOS was based on CP/M. Is that a generous way of saying 'stolen from, with enough changes to make a claim of originality stand (in front of an ignorant judge) and to make life confusing for anyone understanding CP/M'? And, incidentally, nowhere near as good as CP/M. -- John Cartmell -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 28 14:16:06 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158505 for opro ; Wed, 28 Nov 101 14:16:05 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1006942725:20:29249:67; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 10:18:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2100056; 28 Nov 2001 10:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fASALF820484 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 10:21:15 GMT Received: from altrade.nijmegen.internl.net (altrade.nijmegen.internl.net [217.149.192.18]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fASALCW20481 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 10:21:12 GMT Received: from padua by altrade.nijmegen.internl.net via 1Cust18.tnt36.rtm1.nl.uu.net [213.116.166.18] with SMTP for id LAA27571 (8.8.8/1.3); Wed, 28 Nov 2001 11:16:42 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <001b01c177f5$cd219eb0$4d01a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: References: Subject: Re: !Fonts and OvationPro ... Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 11:16:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 26 Nov, John P. Kerslake wrote: > On Sun 25 Nov, Tonnie Demarteau wrote: > > Sometimes a double-click on !Fonts cures this, sometimes first removing this > > Messages1 file seems needed before a new, correct one is created. > > > > If you remove the Messages1 file, a new one is also created after a reboot as > > long as there are fonts present in !Fonts. > > > > Mrs. Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands. > > > Non on my system. I deleated Messages1 several months past. Still no sight > of a replacment. I shutdown after each use. As far as I know, this depends on the OS: Removed from RISC OS 4 normally not followed by a replacement. Removed from RISC OS Select: a new one is created after reboot or (rescan fonts) for every element found in Font$Path. I think this can cause a lot of trouble. mrs. Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 28 14:16:21 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158513 for opro ; Wed, 28 Nov 101 14:16:20 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1006944344:20:27680:61; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 10:45:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2027383; 28 Nov 2001 10:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fASAmo620645 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 10:48:50 GMT Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net (monsoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id fASAmlW20642 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 10:48:47 GMT Received: (qmail 21560 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2001 10:44:27 -0000 Received: from usercf08.uk.uudial.com (HELO RPC) (62.188.152.63) by smtp-1.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 28 Nov 2001 10:44:27 -0000 Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 10:27:09 GMT From: Elma Alexander To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Watermark Message-ID: <07d972e04a.Elly@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Any tips for making a 'watermark' type of image on a page? I can't find anything in the manual. I've tried making a Drawfile and putting it in the master page - which works fine on the screen, but it prints darker. I've lightened grey as much as possible, but at a certain point (about 96% of RGB) it drops out to white. Elly. -- Elma Alexander Email: elma.alexander@ukgateway.net - Fax: 0870 138 4996 Praising God & Country Music Elma's Window on the World: http://znap.to/Elly -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 28 14:16:34 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158519 for opro ; Wed, 28 Nov 101 14:16:33 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1006956254:20:04933:60; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 14:04:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2128984; 28 Nov 2001 14:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fASE6Qj21066 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 14:06:26 GMT Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fASE6OW21063 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 14:06:24 GMT Received: from [62.188.135.200] (helo=62.188.135.200) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16957A-0001Y1-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 13:51:05 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "charles.hope" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 13:50:28 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Watermark Message-ID: <4ae085761bcharles.hope@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <07d972e04a.Elly@ukgateway.net> References: <07d972e04a.Elly@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 28 Nov, Elma Alexander wrote: > Any tips for making a 'watermark' type of image on a page? I can't find > anything in the manual. > I've tried making a Drawfile and putting it in the master page - which > works fine on the screen, but it prints darker. I've lightened grey as > much as possible, but at a certain point (about 96% of RGB) it drops out > to white. Menu -> Picture -> Process Alter Lower from Black 100% to about 20 - 40% - it depends on the sahding in the image. Then simply put your text in a transparent frame over the top of this image. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 28 17:37:42 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158522 for opro ; Wed, 28 Nov 101 17:37:40 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1006962254:20:00882:69; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 15:44:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2000429; 28 Nov 2001 15:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fASFkrh21406 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 15:46:53 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fASFkpW21403 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 15:46:51 GMT Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([158.152.204.98]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 1696qZ-0009jm-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 15:42:04 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 15:41:43 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Watermark Message-ID: <4ae08fa58djohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4ae085761bcharles.hope@argonet.co.uk> References: <07d972e04a.Elly@ukgateway.net> <4ae085761bcharles.hope@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.24) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4ae085761bcharles.hope@argonet.co.uk>, charles.hope wrote: > Menu -> Picture -> Process > Alter Lower from Black 100% to about 20 - 40% - it depends on the sahding > in the image. > Then simply put your text in a transparent frame over the top of this > image. and don't forget to tick duotone. How about *keeping* the colours but still producing the effect? -- Fleur Designs - Manchester UK http://www.cartmell.demon.co.uk ~ designer craft products ~ information products ~ information services ~ Original (and unique) Board Games designed using RISC OS computers see us on Sat 1 Dec 2001 - Birmingham RISC OS show - National Motorbike Museum -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 28 17:37:46 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158523 for opro ; Wed, 28 Nov 101 17:37:43 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1006958202:10:21238:136; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 14:36:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1110944; 28 Nov 2001 14:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fASEGDR21135 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 14:16:13 GMT Received: from smtp02.fields.gol.com (smtp02.fields.gol.com [203.216.5.132]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fASEG9W21132 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 14:16:09 GMT Received: from 53-1-181.tky.gol.ne.jp ([203.216.66.181] helo=plattir.gol.com) by smtp02.fields.gol.com with smtp (Magnetic Fields) id 1695R9-0002zL-00 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 23:11:44 +0900 Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 22:56:56 +0000 (GMT) From: "Ian R. Platt" Subject: Re: Printing woes To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] X-Abuse-Complaints: abuse@gol.com Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 27 Nov, Anthony Hilton wrote: > > In on Tue 27 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > > > > In the last week or so two old printing problems have been brought up here. > > > > Firstly the combination of enhanced justification and tracking leading > > to a right ragged edge. Jan Vredenburch has sent me an example of this. > > My opinion remains unchanged, this is a bug in the printer drivers which > > was fixed by Robin Watts in early 2000, and the latest version of the > > drivers contain the fix. > > > > What remains to be established is which version the fix is in, and where > > you get it from. > > Presumably 1.64 which has a runimage dated March 2000 - 1.53 is dated April > 1996. I'm still running 1.53 but have recently downloaded 1.64 from somewhere > - RISCOS Ltd site perhaps. Erm.. Sure that's not 164a Anthony? ^ ^ This now has background printing! (+ a load of drivers labelled as we (well, some of us - quite a lot of us actually) reported to RISC Ltd a while ago. + dunno what else) > Anthony Hilton > Ian P. -- Ian Platt Risc OS4 + StrongARM = UK technology. Continuing to 'think differently':-) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 28 17:37:47 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158524 for opro ; Wed, 28 Nov 101 17:37:44 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1006962505:20:06824:64; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 15:48:25 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2103066; 28 Nov 2001 15:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fASFptd21452 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 15:51:55 GMT Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fASFppW21449 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 15:51:52 GMT Received: from usercc81.uk.uudial.com ([62.188.151.93] helo=golden.argonet.co.uk) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1696lB-0005mR-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 15:36:32 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Favre To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 14:57:23 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Watermark Message-ID: <4ae08b9665rayfavre@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <07d972e04a.Elly@ukgateway.net> References: <07d972e04a.Elly@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <07d972e04a.Elly@ukgateway.net>, Elma Alexander wrote: > Any tips for making a 'watermark' type of image on a page? I can't > find anything in the manual. > I've tried making a Drawfile and putting it in the master page - > which works fine on the screen, but it prints darker. I've > lightened grey as much as possible, but at a certain point (about > 96% of RGB) it drops out to white. I'm not sure what you mean by 'drops out' but I have also found this problem of darkening greys on non-colour-printing and I'd therefore also be interested to hear of anyone's tips. I have found that the degree of darkening does depend on the printer a great deal. I have a document where the grey needs to be set with RGB each set to 97.7% to get it to print on Printer A how I want it (I want the printed result to look about the same as colour 4 grey on screen) - and thus is all but invisible on screen. However, Printer B prints it about the same as on screen. Both are laser printers. Printer A is very upmarket and not really a 'home' printer: Printer B is an HP Laserjet 1100. (A case, perhaps, of you pays yer money and don't get your choice!) -- Regards from Ray Favre. Home of books "Starting Basic" and "Dr Wimp's Surgery" and support of the Dr Wimp freeware package. Web site at: -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 28 18:05:02 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158542 for opro ; Wed, 28 Nov 101 18:04:59 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1006969058:10:08213:171; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 17:37:38 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1010724; 28 Nov 2001 17:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fASHd4V21816 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 17:39:04 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fASHd1W21813 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 17:39:02 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 1698bH-000PhZ-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 17:34:23 +0000 Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 14:19:01 GMT Message-Id: <158520@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Amstrad to PC via Acorn? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Is that a generous way of saying 'stolen from, with enough changes Well obviously they had to fit in the bits they took from UNIX as well. Thinking back CP/M had a clarity of thought and design which DOS didn't, and it obviously preceded DOS by some time. There was a CP/M 86 too I believe (for 8086 machines like PC's). Anyway all long in the past and off topic. Except perhaps to say that Locomotive Basic which came on the PCW was written for Acorn computers. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 28 21:16:25 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158545 for opro ; Wed, 28 Nov 101 21:16:23 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1006970980:10:14052:252; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 18:09:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1026251; 28 Nov 2001 17:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fASHj0x21864 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 17:45:00 GMT Received: from mailsrv.hiway.co.uk (mailsrv.hiway.co.uk [195.12.1.3]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fASHivW21860 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 17:44:57 GMT Received: from websrv.quantel.com ([195.12.20.51]) by mailsrv.hiway.co.uk (8.11.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id fASHecX23484 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 17:40:38 GMT Subject: Re: Amstrad to PC via Acorn? To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 17:36:19 +0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > There was a CP/M 86 too I believe (for 8086 machines like PC's). Anyway all > long in the past and off topic. I have, in the loft somewhere, a "Rare Black Box" which runs a multi-user version of CP/M from a 30MB 5" full height hard disk. Any takers? Andy Ling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 28 21:16:30 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158548 for opro ; Wed, 28 Nov 101 21:16:27 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1006976874:20:25490:61; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 19:47:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2105974; 28 Nov 2001 19:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fASJO3122152 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 19:24:03 GMT Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fASJNxW22142 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 19:23:59 GMT Received: from ypical.demon.co.uk ([158.152.78.65]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 169AF3-0000vR-0V for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 19:19:34 +0000 Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 12:19:25 GMT From: Fred Bambrough To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Printing woes Message-ID: <5e207de04a.fred@ypical.demon.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: @ypical User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message Anthony Hilton wrote: > In on Tue 27 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > > > > In the last week or so two old printing problems have been brought up here. > > > > Firstly the combination of enhanced justification and tracking leading > > to a right ragged edge. Jan Vredenburch has sent me an example of this. > > My opinion remains unchanged, this is a bug in the printer drivers which > > was fixed by Robin Watts in early 2000, and the latest version of the > > drivers contain the fix. > > > > What remains to be established is which version the fix is in, and where > > you get it from. > > Presumably 1.64 which has a runimage dated March 2000 - 1.53 is dated April > 1996. I'm still running 1.53 but have recently downloaded 1.64 from somewhere > - RISCOS Ltd site perhaps. Yup, that's where it comes from. 1.64a is the latest. -- Fred All opinions stated here subject to entropy -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 28 21:16:49 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158555 for opro ; Wed, 28 Nov 101 21:16:47 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1006977908:20:00458:60; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 20:05:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2000333; 28 Nov 2001 20:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fASJO9P22155 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 19:24:09 GMT Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fASJO2W22150 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 19:24:02 GMT Received: from ypical.demon.co.uk ([158.152.78.65]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 169AF7-0000vR-0V for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 19:19:37 +0000 Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 12:11:51 GMT From: Fred Bambrough To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: !Fonts and OvationPro ... Message-ID: References: <001b01c177f5$cd219eb0$4d01a8c0@padua> In-Reply-To: <001b01c177f5$cd219eb0$4d01a8c0@padua> X-Organization: @ypical User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <001b01c177f5$cd219eb0$4d01a8c0@padua> "Tonnie Demarteau" wrote: > On Mon 26 Nov, John P. Kerslake > wrote: > > > On Sun 25 Nov, Tonnie Demarteau wrote: > > > > > > Sometimes a double-click on !Fonts cures this, sometimes first > > > removing this Messages1 file seems needed before a new, correct one > > > is created. > > > > > > If you remove the Messages1 file, a new one is also created after a > > > reboot > as > > > long as there are fonts present in !Fonts. > > > > > > Mrs. Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands. > > > > > > Non on my system. I deleated Messages1 several months past. Still no > > sight of a replacment. I shutdown after each use. > > As far as I know, this depends on the OS: Removed from RISC OS 4 > normally not followed by a replacement. Removed from RISC OS Select: a > new one is created after reboot or (rescan fonts) for every element > found in Font$Path. I think this can cause a lot of trouble. This must be true. With RO 2 through to RO 4.02 I've always installed and removed fonts 'by hand' and have never had either a Messages1 file or problems. I don't have Select. -- Fred All opinions stated here subject to entropy -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 28 21:16:53 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158556 for opro ; Wed, 28 Nov 101 21:16:50 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1006975942:10:11619:60; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 19:32:22 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1118705; 28 Nov 2001 19:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fASJO7s22154 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 19:24:07 GMT Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fASJO0W22146 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 19:24:00 GMT Received: from ypical.demon.co.uk ([158.152.78.65]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 169AF5-0000vR-0V for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 19:19:35 +0000 Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 12:16:47 GMT From: Fred Bambrough To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Overfuk Document list Message-ID: <5ce27ce04a.fred@ypical.demon.co.uk> References: <158480@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <158480@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: @ypical User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <158480@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > >'Discard Document' entry - trouble is that particular entry does not > >appear here. > > I think it comes from another applet, the HideDoc one. So it does. Applet !HideDoc --------------- Ctrl-click on a document close icon, hides the document. Pressing Ctrl and clicking on a document's close icon, closes the window but keeps the document in memory. A hidden document can be reopened by choosing it from the 'View document' menu on the icon bar menu. A hidden document can be discarded by choosing it from the 'Discard document' menu on the icon bar menu. -- Fred All opinions stated here subject to entropy -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 28 21:17:06 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158562 for opro ; Wed, 28 Nov 101 21:17:04 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1006980589:10:20823:85; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 20:49:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1122511; 28 Nov 2001 20:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fASKrcO22552 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 20:53:38 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fASKrZW22549 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 20:53:35 GMT Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([158.152.204.98]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 169Bdl-0005ay-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 20:49:10 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 20:48:18 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Amstrad to PC via Acorn? Message-ID: <4ae0abb73bjohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <158520@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <158520@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.24) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <158520@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > Except perhaps to say that Locomotive Basic which came on the PCW was > written for Acorn computers. ? Explain please... ... I've always wished for a BASIC that took the best of Locomotive and BBC - eg using Loco Basic it was so easy to check for errors when BASIC statements were typed in lower case and it was displayed in upper case - if correct. -- Fleur Designs - Manchester UK http://www.cartmell.demon.co.uk ~ designer craft products ~ information products ~ information services ~ Original (and unique) Board Games designed using RISC OS computers see us on Sat 1 Dec 2001 - Birmingham RISC OS show - National Motorbike Museum -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 29 03:25:41 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158580 for opro ; Thu, 29 Nov 101 03:25:39 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1006984642:10:22019:63; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 21:57:22 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1101922; 28 Nov 2001 21:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fASM15W22739 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 22:01:05 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fASM13W22736 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 22:01:03 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 169Cgt-000I0Z-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 21:56:27 +0000 Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 21:21:28 GMT Message-Id: <158568@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Amstrad to PC via Acorn? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >> Except perhaps to say that Locomotive Basic which came on the PCW was >> written for Acorn computers. >? Explain please... By which I meant 'Acorn Computers PLC' rather than a particular model of Acorn you might be familiar with like the BBC B. If you go through Loco Basic you can find 'Acorn Computers' embedded as a string in it. I have read the history of this episode somewhere, something like Acorn building Z80 based machines (Torch?) and needing a Basic for them. That would figure since their Basics for the BBC etc. would be hand written 6502 assembler. Anyway we jump on a year or two, and Loco Basic appears on the early Amstrad CPCs and then the PCW. >... I've always wished for a BASIC that took the best of Locomotive and BBC >- eg using Loco Basic it was so easy to check for errors when BASIC >statements were typed in lower case and it was displayed in upper case - if >correct. In a way it had too many good ideas, like you could miss off the closing double quote at the end of a string. Sounds OK, but leads to more complications. What if Alan Sugar had bought out Acorn circa 1985 instead of Olivetti (or Sinclair)... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 29 03:26:12 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158584 for opro ; Thu, 29 Nov 101 03:26:10 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1006988906:10:11717:228; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 23:08:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1003920; 28 Nov 2001 22:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fASN1PV22886 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 23:01:25 GMT Received: from stolly.southnet.co.nz (stolly.southnet.co.nz [202.49.115.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fASN1LW22883 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 23:01:21 GMT Received: from danmccat.southnet.co.nz (p37.netserver1-dn.southnet.co.nz [202.36.220.167]) by stolly.southnet.co.nz (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id fASMuft03383 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 11:56:41 +1300 Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 12:10:05 +1300 (BST) From: Dan McCarthy Subject: Re: Amstrad to PC via Acorn? To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <158568@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 29 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > I have read the history of this episode somewhere, something like Acorn > building Z80 based machines (Torch?) and needing a Basic for them. Didn't they Bring out a C/PM Z80 second processor just before the Master came in? I think it ran something called 'Mallard Basic.' (Railway enthusiasts would get the connection.) > BTW. I know someone who was running CP/M 86 as late as last year. ------- Dan McCarthy, 8 Kings Avenue, Dunedin, New Zealand. danmccat@deepsouth.co.nz THE STEEP BIRANCAS OPERATION - HEAT TREATED ICE -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 29 13:39:43 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158591 for opro ; Thu, 29 Nov 101 13:39:39 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1007025047:20:24049:879; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 09:10:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2006065; 29 Nov 2001 0:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fAT0lcj23118 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 00:47:38 GMT Received: from serenity.mcc.ac.uk (serenity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.93]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fAT0lZW23115 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 00:47:35 GMT Received: from hh6217.hh.man.ac.uk ([130.88.186.217] helo=thomas) by serenity.mcc.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.05 #6) id 169FIC-0001Bo-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 00:43:08 +0000 Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 00:43:04 +0000 From: Mark Daniel To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Reference image bug/anoyance Message-ID: <8a35c1e04a%mad_cow@freeserve.co.uk> X-Organization: Mad Cow Software X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.68a User-Agent: POPstar/2.02 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hi, I was using OvPro this evening and came across quite an annoying misfeature. I was doing a document that included images from a website and I dropped the images straight out of Oragano into OvPro. Because they were quite large OvPro automatically referenced them, however they were only stored in scrap files on disc so once I rebooted the files were deleted and I lost the images. I propose it would be more sensible if OvPro checked to see if images were in the scrapdir before it choose to reference them, thus sidestepping this issue. I know I can force it not to reference by various means but on this occasion I forgot and it does seem a sensible thing for OvPro to deal with. See ya, Mark Daniel. -- mark@madsoft.freeserve.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 29 13:40:10 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158601 for opro ; Thu, 29 Nov 101 13:40:07 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1007028973:20:00736:2119; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 10:16:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ad2102260; 29 Nov 2001 8:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fAT8jCu23820 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 08:45:12 GMT Received: from mail1.ims-firmen.de (qmailr@mail1.ims-firmen.de [213.174.32.56]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id fAT8j9W23817 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 08:45:09 GMT Received: (qmail 23095 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2001 08:40:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO uff411.ucs.de) (212.62.74.159) by mail1.ims-firmen.de with SMTP; 29 Nov 2001 08:40:35 -0000 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Received: from kaskaskia.ucs.de ([192.168.202.184]) by uff411.ucs.de; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 09:39:16 +0100 Received: from martinv by kaskaskia.ucs.de with local (RemoteNB 1.50) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; 29 Nov 2001 09:39:06 +0100 Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 09:39:06 +0100 From: Martin Vethake To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Amstrad to PC via Acorn? Message-ID: <77caece04a.martinv@kaskaskia.ucs.de> References: <158520@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <158520@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: U C S User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (RemoteNB/1.50) (RISC-OS/3.70) X-Editor: Zap 1.44 (14 Jan 2001) [TEST 4], ZapEmail 0.25 (20 Sep 2000) test-5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <158520@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: [snip] > There was a CP/M 86 too I believe (for 8086 machines like PC's). Anyway all > long in the past and off topic. > Did anyone notice that The Register wrote on monday (I think) that CP/M is now open source - anyone want to port it :) Regards -- Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 29 13:41:02 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158621 for opro ; Thu, 29 Nov 101 13:41:01 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1007032047:20:01433:4790; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 11:07:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ad2010353; 29 Nov 2001 8:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fAT837F23658 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 08:03:07 GMT Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fAT835W23655 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 08:03:05 GMT Received: from [62.188.145.240] (helo=RiscPC) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 169Luu-00020C-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 07:47:34 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 19:51:45 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Amstrad to PC via Acorn? Message-ID: <4ae0a689casteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4ae07027e1john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> References: <158482@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4ae07027e1john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4ae07027e1john@cartmell.demon.co.uk>, John Cartmell wrote: > In article <158482@pilling.demon.co.uk>, > David Pilling wrote: > > I'd think a CP/M emulator for the PC would be one approach. Undoubtedly > > someone will have done a CP/M disc reader for DOS or Windows too. > > Much of DOS was based on CP/M. > Is that a generous way of saying 'stolen from, with enough changes > to make a claim of originality stand (in front of an ignorant > judge) and to make life confusing for anyone understanding CP/M'? > And, incidentally, nowhere near as good as CP/M. Well off topic, but MS-DOS was originally QDOS and was a quickly knocked up CP/M like OS. Gatesy boy blagged it from a friend[1] when he realised IBM were only interested because they thought he had an operating system not just a rather grotty version of basic. He said he had a use for it, and could probably sell it. He didn't bother saying it was IBM that he was talking to - with friends like him, who needs enemies? -- Steve Pampling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 29 13:41:20 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158630 for opro ; Thu, 29 Nov 101 13:41:17 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1007036037:10:15987:63; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 12:13:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1110848; 29 Nov 2001 12:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fATCFUp25002 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 12:15:30 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fATCFRW24998 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 12:15:27 GMT Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 169Q1e-000AkO-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 12:10:46 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 11:40:18 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Reference image bug/anoyance Message-ID: <4ae0fd617eJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <8a35c1e04a%mad_cow@freeserve.co.uk> References: <8a35c1e04a%mad_cow@freeserve.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03a (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <8a35c1e04a%mad_cow@freeserve.co.uk>, Mark Daniel wrote: > images straight out of Oregano into OvPro. Because they were quite > large OvPro automatically referenced them, however they were only > stored in scrap files on disc so once i rebooted the files were deleted Surely what happened is that Oregano saved the files into !Scrap - if it hadn't done so you'd have the image files somewhere else on disc before dragging them into OP. This, I think, is the standard way that Oregano works if you are not putting downloaded/saved files into a specific location when taking them from Oregano. It's much safer in general first to save downloaded files somewhere, then drag them to other apps (or double click on them) etc.. I don't think anything is normally deleted from !Scrap on a reboot, so if yoir files vanished from there it was because the app that placed them there (Oregano) decided that you no longer needed them. Oregano assumes that a file loaded straight into another app will be saved from that app if the user wanted to keep it. I can see why you'd want OP to warn you that it is referencing a file that's only in !Scrap - but really the problem is that the file has never been properly saved to disk by you. -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 29 18:16:28 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158661 for opro ; Thu, 29 Nov 101 18:16:27 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1007057069:10:23049:60; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 18:04:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1022975; 29 Nov 2001 18:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fATI7fK32314 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 18:07:41 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fATI7bW32307 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 18:07:37 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 169VWU-000PpP-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 18:02:58 +0000 Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 16:27:09 GMT Message-Id: <158645@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Reference image bug/anoyance X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > I dropped the images straight out of Oragano into OvPro. Because they were >quite large OvPro automatically referenced them, however they were only >stored in scrap files on disc OPro shouldn't (as opposed to won't) do this. As long as the program you're saving out of is doing the protocol right. Its hard to tell because most programs will do the tranfer via RAM, its only less sophisticated ones that go via a scrap file (part of the protocol is to delete that scrap file). David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 29 18:16:30 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158662 for opro ; Thu, 29 Nov 101 18:16:29 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1007057069:10:23142:61; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 18:04:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1022999; 29 Nov 2001 18:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fATI7gt32315 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 18:07:42 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fATI7dW32311 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 18:07:39 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 169VWX-000PpP-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 18:03:01 +0000 Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 16:29:58 GMT Message-Id: <158647@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Amstrad to PC via Acorn? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > Did anyone notice that The Register wrote on monday (I think) >that CP/M is now open source - anyone want to port it :) Not much too it, easy enough to do it yourself. In 1988, MSDOS 3 would probably have taken me (or anyone else) 4 or 5 months to rewrite from scratch. It was only 30K of x86 code. And yet that became an empire... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 29 21:26:01 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158666 for opro ; Thu, 29 Nov 101 21:25:56 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1007061387:10:28356:66; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 19:16:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1028322; 29 Nov 2001 19:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fATJKN632688 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 19:20:23 GMT Received: from altrade.nijmegen.internl.net (altrade.nijmegen.internl.net [217.149.192.18]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fATJKKW32685 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 19:20:20 GMT Received: from padua by altrade.nijmegen.internl.net via 1Cust54.tnt14.rtm1.nl.uu.net [213.116.122.54] with SMTP for id UAA22121 (8.8.8/1.3); Thu, 29 Nov 2001 20:15:32 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <00ed01c1790a$383c6300$4d01a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: References: Subject: Re: !Fonts and OvationPro ... Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 20:14:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 28 Nov, John P. Kerslake wrote: > > > Non on my system. I deleated Messages1 several months past. Still no sight > > > of a replacment. I shutdown after each use. > > > > As far as I know, this depends on the OS: > > Removed from RISC OS 4 normally not followed by a replacement. > > Removed from RISC OS Select: a new one is created after reboot or (rescan > > fonts) for every element found in Font$Path. I think this can cause a lot of > > trouble. > > > Is it possible to force a replacment in OS 4.03? Maybe this is what you need? I can't tell whether this works in RO 4.03. It does in 4.02. I don't know, whether this is freeware or can be found with Acornsearch on a site. -- Mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands !FontMsgs Font message file generator Darren Salt 1.03 (04-06-1994) part of the helpfile: .... Sick of the system taking its time when scanning font directories? Here's a simple solution... 1. Run !FontMsgs if it isn't already loaded. 2. Drag your fonts directory (eg. !Fonts) to the FontMsgs icon. FontMsgs will scan the directory. If there is already a messages file, this will also be read in order to inform you of fonts added to or removed from this directory. 3. Select the default font from each family, and edit its displayed name, eg. you could make 'Homerton.Medium' appear as 'Helvetica.Medium'. 4. Save the list. This is ALWAYS to the font directory last seen by FontMsgs (hence no save box). ..... -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 29 21:26:12 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158667 for opro ; Thu, 29 Nov 101 21:26:06 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1007058374:10:11620:62; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 18:26:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1011568; 29 Nov 2001 18:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fATIUOf32520 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 18:30:24 GMT Received: from mail3.svr.pol.co.uk (mail3.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.19]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fATIULW32517 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 18:30:21 GMT Received: from modem-211.gallium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.30.211] helo=kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk) by mail3.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 169VsU-0002Ib-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 18:25:43 +0000 Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 20:13:13 +0000 (GMT) From: "John P. Kerslake" Subject: Re: !Fonts and OvationPro ... To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <001b01c177f5$cd219eb0$4d01a8c0@padua> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro snip > > Non on my system. I deleated Messages1 several months past. Still no sight > > of a replacment. I shutdown after each use. > > As far as I know, this depends on the OS: > Removed from RISC OS 4 normally not followed by a replacement. > Removed from RISC OS Select: a new one is created after reboot or (rescan > fonts) for every element found in Font$Path. I think this can cause a lot of > trouble. > > mrs. Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands Is it possible to force a replacment in OS 4.03? -- J.P. Kerslake B.Sc., F.B.I.S. Pager 07626 - 235878, e-mail Home = johnpercy@kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk, Dyslexia Rules KO. RiscStation 64 meg 50 ns RAM. 9G HD, Ant INS. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 29 21:26:45 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158676 for opro ; Thu, 29 Nov 101 21:26:43 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1007067993:10:27671:59; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 21:06:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1125724; 29 Nov 2001 21:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fATL94M00460 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 21:09:04 GMT Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fATL91W00457 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 21:09:01 GMT Received: from Tomhopley@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id d.e4.1eb0d749 (4254) for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 16:04:04 -0500 (EST) From: Message-ID: Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 16:04:03 EST Subject: Amstrad to PC via Acorn? - YES and thanks To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Thanks to all who answered my plea for help. I'm amazed at the depth of knowledge and nostalgia for those early machines and OSes. (If anyone wants to use the Amstrad Basic for old time's sake, try CPC on the Datafile PDCD-4.) I didn't know that Discedit had been updated to run on the RiscPC, so thanks particularly to Anthony Hilton I didn't have to brave the attic dust to resurrect the Master Compact. The background information from the group led me to try a little Basic program I found in my Utility folder called DOSrescue. Don't know where it came from or who wrote it, but simply changing a reference to 360 instead of 1440 allowed it to read each disc in one go, saving the contents as a file. I was able to check these files against the results from DiscEdit to see if anything was missed out. Cleaning up these files was a doddle using Zap or Edit - I was going to leave the files raw, but cleaning them up with his PC's WordPad or Word97 would have been too horrendous. I'm looking forward to meeting these PC owning friends again! Thanks to all TomH -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 30 01:34:50 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158705 for opro ; Fri, 30 Nov 101 01:34:47 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1007075519:20:28103:59; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 23:11:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2027983; 29 Nov 2001 23:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fATNA2C00688 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 23:10:02 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fATNA0W00685 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 23:10:00 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 169aF6-000L8h-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 23:05:20 +0000 Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 23:03:16 GMT Message-Id: <158699@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Mail merging pictures X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >record. Am I correct in thinking that the mail merge is started with the >first (backmost) frame and it then works forward? Yes. The multi record stuff sounds like what is discussed in the advanced mail merge document on the web site (or the chapter in the CD manual). What you've done sounds interesting. I was not aware that any one had used this feature in anger. Although ISTR Alan Gibson trying using it for bar codes once. >BTW a bug for you: Try setting the text flow for a referenced picture to >"Picture", produces a Fatal error 5 on my setup (2.66). Oh dear. BTW you're posting to the list from an address which is not subscribed. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 30 01:34:55 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158707 for opro ; Fri, 30 Nov 101 01:34:51 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1007075526:20:28465:59; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 23:12:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2028116; 29 Nov 2001 23:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fATNA0000683 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 23:10:00 GMT Received: from mgw-x2.nokia.com (mgw-x2.nokia.com [131.228.20.22]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fAT9voW24018 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 09:57:50 GMT Received: from esvir04nok.ntc.nokia.com (esvir04nokt.ntc.nokia.com [172.21.143.36]) by mgw-x2.nokia.com (Switch-2.1.0/Switch-2.1.0) with ESMTP id fAT9s0A21686 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 11:54:00 +0200 (EET) Received: from esebh02nok.ntc.nokia.com (unverified) by esvir04nok.ntc.nokia.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.5) with ESMTP id for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 11:53:16 +0200 Message-ID: <9CF2FB08B97A5645A22A05B4A106DBEE1229BB@caebe002.NOE.Nokia.com> From: To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Mail merging pictures Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 11:53:14 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2652.78) content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, Thanks David, I knew I had seen it somewhere! I have now managed to do what I was after, once I worked out that the frames need to be in a certain order and nextrecord() should be in the picture reference for it to work as expected with multiple frames per record. Am I correct in thinking that the mail merge is started with the first (backmost) frame and it then works forward? BTW a bug for you: Try setting the text flow for a referenced picture to "Picture", produces a Fatal error 5 on my setup (2.66). Cheers, Jonathan Mist -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 30 14:00:03 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158718 for opro ; Fri, 30 Nov 101 13:59:59 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1007108964:10:22723:60; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 08:29:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1022671; 30 Nov 2001 8:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fAU8Wa401336 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 08:32:36 GMT Received: from mail1.ims-firmen.de (qmailr@mail1.ims-firmen.de [213.174.32.56]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id fAU8WWW01333 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 08:32:32 GMT Received: (qmail 15770 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2001 08:27:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO uff411.ucs.de) (212.62.74.121) by mail1.ims-firmen.de with SMTP; 30 Nov 2001 08:27:46 -0000 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Received: from kaskaskia.ucs.de ([192.168.202.184]) by uff411.ucs.de; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 09:26:34 +0100 Received: from martinv by kaskaskia.ucs.de with local (RemoteNB 1.50) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; 30 Nov 2001 09:26:31 +0100 Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 09:26:31 +0100 From: Martin Vethake To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Amstrad to PC via Acorn? Message-ID: References: <158647@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <158647@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: U C S User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (RemoteNB/1.50) (RISC-OS/3.70) X-Editor: Zap 1.44 (14 Jan 2001) [TEST 4], ZapEmail 0.25 (20 Sep 2000) test-5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <158647@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > > Did anyone notice that The Register wrote on monday (I think) > >that CP/M is now open source - anyone want to port it :) > > Not much too it, easy enough to do it yourself. In 1988, MSDOS 3 would > probably have taken me (or anyone else) 4 or 5 months to rewrite from > scratch. It was only 30K of x86 code. And yet that became an empire... > What's the size of Mozilla source today? 30Meg? There is something going on I guess... Regards -- Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Dec 1 02:04:15 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158767 for opro ; Sat, 01 Dec 101 02:04:13 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1007169103:10:26491:59; Sat, 01 Dec 2001 01:11:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1119980; 1 Dec 2001 1:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fB11E7O03200 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 01:14:07 GMT Received: from protactinium.btinternet.com (protactinium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.176]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fB11E4W03197 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 01:14:04 GMT Received: from host213-122-102-63.btinternet.com ([213.122.102.63] helo=btinternet.com) by protactinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 169yeT-00075D-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 01 Dec 2001 01:09:10 +0000 Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2001 00:42:55 GMT From: Ed Donnelly To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Just a couple of things Message-ID: X-Organization: You must be joking User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I had a nasty experience today. While writing an essay I accidentally deleted a full chapter. On my way to the undo button OvationPro autosaved, which meant that I couldn't undo the action. This was potentially disastrous (fortunately I managed to extract the lost text by loading the OvationPro file into StrongEd and doing a bit of cutting and pasting). Is there any way to work round this? Second thing is tiny really: I notice that the file info window (v. 2.66) gives story information and total pages/chapters on the right, and total size/words and page and chapter number on the left. I just thought it'd be a bit more consistent to give the current page and chapter number on the right, to tie in with current story info :) TTFN, Ed BTW, I did my BA dissertation using OvationPro. Without fail all the examiners commented on how well it was produced (their comments on the content on the other hand...), and I know I'm not too skilful in using it: thanks to David for writing such a fantastic DTP package that it can make up for all my shortfalls ;) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message