From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 4 13:22:43 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA155964 for opro ; Thu, 04 Oct 101 13:22:41 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1002191558:20:19770:78; Thu, 04 Oct 2001 10:32:38 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2019618; 4 Oct 2001 10:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f94AoH018683 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 4 Oct 2001 11:50:17 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.148]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f94AoDp18680 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2001 11:50:14 +0100 Received: from onetel.net.uk (async74-19.nas.onetel.net.uk [212.67.115.74]) by msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AAO66396; Thu, 4 Oct 2001 11:28:53 +0100 (BST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Roger Penniceard To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 11:30:13 +0100 Subject: Re: Fill Tool printing problem. Message-ID: <4ac42026e2rogersps@onetel.net.uk> In-Reply-To: <155899@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <155899@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03a (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <155899@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > I also think the first thing I'd do is try a standard driver on the > same print job e.g. SPrinter. > If SPrinter fails then its practically certain the problem is OP, and > the converse is also true. SPrinter works and the resulting Sprite produces the same problem when printed from Paint, so it looks like it is the Spacetech Printer Driver that is the problem and OP is off the hook. Interestingly when the Sprite is printed from inside Impression it prints perfectly??? Roger -- ||||| ||| ||| ||||| Roger Penniceard ||||| |||| ||||| rogersps@onetel.net.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 4 17:56:19 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA155974 for opro ; Thu, 04 Oct 101 17:56:15 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1002203684:10:12048:62; Thu, 04 Oct 2001 13:54:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1011551; 4 Oct 2001 13:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f94EDL119007 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 4 Oct 2001 15:13:21 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f94EDIp19004 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2001 15:13:19 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15p8us-0003JB-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 4 Oct 2001 13:51:58 +0000 Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 13:24:23 GMT Message-Id: <155968@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Fill Tool printing problem. X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Interestingly when the Sprite is printed from inside Impression it prints perfectly??? For printing the key test is Draw. Impression has too many oddities like CC's own rendering modules for sprites. There is a lot of scope for non-standard results when printing sprites. I wonder what the bit depth of the sprite was? David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 4 19:19:52 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA155980 for opro ; Thu, 04 Oct 101 19:19:49 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1002216088:20:23666:67; Thu, 04 Oct 2001 17:21:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2023539; 4 Oct 2001 17:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f94HfZq19457 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 4 Oct 2001 18:41:35 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from cmailg7.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg7.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.177]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f94HfWp19454 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2001 18:41:32 +0100 Received: from modem-34.ununnilium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.75.34] helo=beeston12) by cmailg7.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 15pCAJ-00055G-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 04 Oct 2001 18:20:07 +0100 Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 18:17:47 +0100 From: Robin Phillips To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Printing at right angles Message-ID: <407745c44a%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> X-Organization: home X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.68 User-Agent: POPstar/2.03 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Dear colleagues, I have been studying the manual and have not as yet managed to work out how to do this job: I have set up a master page with header and footer, which are turned off on page 1 but should print elsewhere. In the first 4 pages I am putting text which is normally oriented, i.e. the lines of text are horizontal across the pages, which are in portrait mode, printed in Pamphlet format. I need on pages 5-10 to insert a text which should print with the lines parallel to the gutter. I want the usual header and footer already defined to print on these pages too. How do I get the text to run "vertically" up the pages? I have tried defining a frame to suit, but am not sure how to turn the text 90degrees inside it. I have looked at the chapter dialogue, but it does not at first seem to be the appropriate method. I guess the answer is simple, but what??? Yours sincerely, Robin. -- Robin Phillips, 1, Newcastle Avenue, Beeston, Notts., NG9 1BT; Phone: +44 (0)115 922 4930 E-mail: rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 5 01:25:44 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA155986 for opro ; Fri, 05 Oct 101 01:25:41 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1002227134:20:14556:63; Thu, 04 Oct 2001 20:25:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2107896; 4 Oct 2001 20:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f94KkRO19809 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 4 Oct 2001 21:46:27 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from obelix.spectraweb.ch (obelix.plusnet.ch [194.158.230.8]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f94KkOp19806 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2001 21:46:24 +0100 Received: from janvredenburchsmile.ch (abo-mu-2-1-dialup-226.spectraweb.ch [194.230.203.226]) by obelix.spectraweb.ch (8.11.2/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with SMTP id f94KOsB11061 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2001 22:24:54 +0200 Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 22:22:25 +0200 (BST) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: Printing at right angles To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <407745c44a%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: CIC member; Secretariaat St. Van Vredenburch X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 04 Oct, Robin Phillips wrote: snip some > I need on pages 5-10 to insert a text which should print with the lines > parallel to the gutter. I want the usual header and footer already defined > to print on these pages too. How do I get the text to run "vertically" up > the pages? I have tried defining a frame to suit, but am not sure how to > turn the text 90degrees inside it. Create a small text frame, rotate that to 90 degrees. Then resize this frame to fit within the page outlines and the gutter. Copy this frame to the other half of your page and then onto the following pages (taking it that you initially have a 2-column page, as you do mention a 'gutter'). Now whenever you type text in these frames it will start from bottom left and go upwards and wrap at the end i.e at the top of your page. If needed you can link these frames for automatic text flow. On alternate pages you might try to rotate at *minus* 90 degrees. This might give you the possibility to read 2 printed pages sideways without turning the document (in non-pamphlet mode). Regards, JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch, CH - 6006 Luzern **new email address** >From 29/06/2001 email: janvredenburch@smile.ch .. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 5 01:25:48 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA155989 for opro ; Fri, 05 Oct 101 01:25:45 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1002227491:20:23695:60; Thu, 04 Oct 2001 20:31:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2115400; 4 Oct 2001 20:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f94Kpwx19853 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 4 Oct 2001 21:51:58 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from dino.intonet.co.uk (root@dino.intonet.co.uk [62.190.40.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f94Kptp19850 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2001 21:51:55 +0100 Received: from marteng.intonet.co.uk (user145.intonet.co.uk [62.190.40.77]) by dino.intonet.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA02105 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2001 21:30:26 +0100 (BST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Marten Gallagher To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 21:24:45 +0100 Subject: Re: Printing at right angles Message-ID: <4ac4569528marten@annerykiln.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <407745c44a%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> References: <407745c44a%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro [Snip] > How do I get the text to run > "vertically" up the pages? I have tried defining a frame to suit, but > am not sure how to turn the text 90degrees inside it. Set up the frame. Type in the text. Highlight the frame. Menu>Object>Modify - Writeable Icon Angle: adjust to 90 or 270 degrees. Should do it. HTH Slainte -- Marten Gallagher - marten@annerykiln.co.uk http://www.annerykiln.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 5 01:25:52 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA155990 for opro ; Fri, 05 Oct 101 01:25:49 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1002228822:20:27406:61; Thu, 04 Oct 2001 20:53:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2027372; 4 Oct 2001 20:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f94LErK19998 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 4 Oct 2001 22:14:53 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from murphys-outbound.services.quay.plus.net ([212.159.14.225]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id f94LEpp19995 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2001 22:14:51 +0100 Received: (qmail 26608 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2001 20:53:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (212.159.21.51) by murphys with SMTP; 4 Oct 2001 20:53:12 -0000 Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 21:39:53 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: Printing at right angles To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <407745c44a%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Thu 04 Oct, Robin Phillips wrote: > Dear colleagues, > > I have been studying the manual and have not as yet managed to work out how > to do this job: > > I have set up a master page with header and footer, which are turned off on > page 1 but should print elsewhere. In the first 4 pages I am putting text > which is normally oriented, i.e. the lines of text are horizontal across > the pages, which are in portrait mode, printed in Pamphlet format. Make this chapter 1. > I need on pages 5-10 to insert a text which should print with the lines > parallel to the gutter. I want the usual header and footer already defined > to print on these pages too. How do I get the text to run "vertically" up > the pages? I have tried defining a frame to suit, but am not sure how to > turn the text 90degrees inside it. Make this chapter 2. Rotate the frame and the text inside it rotates as you want (90 degrees is an anti-clockwise rotation so gives the effect you want). I would put the rotated frame(s) onto the master page(s) for the chapter and link them so text flows and adds pages within the chapter as needed. You will also need a third chapter to add pages 11-12, even if only to modify the header or footer to contain the wording "This page deliberatley left blank". (See http://www.makingpages.org/pagemaker/humor/hist-blank.html for A History of the Blank Page) > I have looked at the chapter dialogue, but it does not at first seem to be > the appropriate method. I think it is a good option for you - I have described how I would handle this. Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 5 01:26:06 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA155995 for opro ; Fri, 05 Oct 101 01:26:03 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1002233005:20:20714:60; Thu, 04 Oct 2001 22:03:25 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2126569; 4 Oct 2001 22:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f94MNuq20213 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 4 Oct 2001 23:23:56 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from mail3.svr.pol.co.uk (mail3.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.19]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f94MNmp20210 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2001 23:23:53 +0100 Received: from modem-122.amlodipine.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.78.122] helo=orchard-way) by mail3.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 15pGZT-0005GU-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 04 Oct 2001 23:02:24 +0100 Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 22:50:30 +0100 From: Alan Adams To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Printing at right angles Message-ID: <0f6f5ec44a.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> References: <407745c44a%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <407745c44a%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10 (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <407745c44a%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> you wrote: > Dear colleagues, > > I have been studying the manual and have not as yet managed to work out how > to do this job: > > I have set up a master page with header and footer, which are turned off on > page 1 but should print elsewhere. In the first 4 pages I am putting text > which is normally oriented, i.e. the lines of text are horizontal across the > pages, which are in portrait mode, printed in Pamphlet format. > > I need on pages 5-10 to insert a text which should print with the lines > parallel to the gutter. I want the usual header and footer already defined > to print on these pages too. How do I get the text to run "vertically" up > the pages? I have tried defining a frame to suit, but am not sure how to > turn the text 90degrees inside it. > > I have looked at the chapter dialogue, but it does not at first seem to be > the appropriate method. One way to get rotated text (possibly THE way, I wouldn't be sure) is to draw a frame, add text, then rotate the frame, using Object, Modify, Angle. > > I guess the answer is simple, but what??? > > Yours sincerely, Robin. > -- Alan Adams alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 5 01:26:13 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA155996 for opro ; Fri, 05 Oct 101 01:26:07 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1002234703:20:28672:72; Thu, 04 Oct 2001 22:31:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2028140; 4 Oct 2001 22:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f94MesB20297 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 4 Oct 2001 23:40:54 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f94Meqp20294 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2001 23:40:52 +0100 Received: from bigbo.demon.co.uk ([193.237.223.106]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15pGpz-0007dN-0W for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 4 Oct 2001 23:19:27 +0100 Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 23:18:48 +0100 (BST) From: John Bodiam Subject: Re: Printing at right angles To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <407745c44a%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Thu 04 Oct, Robin Phillips wrote: > > Dear colleagues, > > I have been studying the manual and have not as yet managed to work out how > to do this job: > > I have set up a master page with header and footer, which are turned off on > page 1 but should print elsewhere. In the first 4 pages I am putting text > which is normally oriented, i.e. the lines of text are horizontal across the > pages, which are in portrait mode, printed in Pamphlet format. > > I need on pages 5-10 to insert a text which should print with the lines > parallel to the gutter. I want the usual header and footer already defined > to print on these pages too. How do I get the text to run "vertically" up > the pages? I have tried defining a frame to suit, but am not sure how to > turn the text 90degrees inside it. > > I have looked at the chapter dialogue, but it does not at first seem to be > the appropriate method. > > I guess the answer is simple, but what??? > > Yours sincerely, Robin. > Type into the frame, then turn the frame through 90/270 degrees. You could, of course, turn the frame and then type. John -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 5 13:48:13 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156006 for opro ; Fri, 05 Oct 101 13:48:08 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1002248917:10:27312:61; Fri, 05 Oct 2001 02:28:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1027018; 5 Oct 2001 2:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f952mkX20603 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Oct 2001 03:48:46 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f952mhp20600 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2001 03:48:44 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15pKhp-0000uO-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 5 Oct 2001 02:27:17 +0000 Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 01:30:58 GMT Message-Id: <156003@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Printing at right angles X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Make this chapter 2. Rotate the frame and the text inside it rotates as you >Anthony Hilton Thanks for the idea of using more than one chapter, I'd not spotted that. What you do then is set up 3 chapters, for the middle chapter you **open the master pages**, select the main frame, and use the rotate tool to rotate it by 90 degrees, close the master pages. What isn't possible is to take the main frame in the document and rotate it, or make it local and then rotate it. Thats why you need to use chapters. Obviously as ever you can alternatively patch the thing together out of individual frames, but I think the above is the simplest and will give you auto generated headers/footers (assuming you want them). It does of course mean your text won't flow automatically between the three sections. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 9 19:56:56 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156047 for opro ; Tue, 09 Oct 101 19:56:53 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1002389944:20:07058:60; Sat, 06 Oct 2001 17:39:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2114765; 6 Oct 2001 17:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f96Hvq723005 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 6 Oct 2001 18:57:52 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f96Hvnp23002 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2001 18:57:49 +0100 Received: from [62.188.136.169] (helo=62.188.136.169) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 15pvEP-0007Hp-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 06 Oct 2001 18:27:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Rob Hemmings To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2001 18:34:37 +0100 Subject: Imposition with mail merge Message-ID: <4ac54eadd1robh@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R The one thing that I always find difficult about OvationPro is Imposition. I often want to print an A5 document twice (sideways) on a single sheet of A4 and every time I have to work it out again. Perhaps I have a mental block! But today I wanted to do something more difficult and could not work out how - any help would be appreciated. I wanted to print 2 sheets of A5 per sheet of A4 but also use mail merge to put a different name on each A5 sheet. Can this be done? I'm probably missing something simple but I could only get either 2 sheets of A5 with the same name on each sheet of A4 or just one sheet of A5 on each sheet of A4. -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Hemmings Southport Tel: +44 (0)1704 573210 robh@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 9 19:57:06 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156051 for opro ; Tue, 09 Oct 101 19:57:04 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1002400109:10:08980:61; Sat, 06 Oct 2001 20:28:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1008869; 6 Oct 2001 20:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f96Knq623318 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 6 Oct 2001 21:49:52 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from murphys-outbound.services.quay.plus.net ([212.159.14.225]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id f96Knop23315 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2001 21:49:50 +0100 Received: (qmail 22273 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2001 20:27:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (212.159.21.246) by murphys with SMTP; 6 Oct 2001 20:27:46 -0000 Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 21:05:48 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: Printing at right angles To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <156003@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Fri 05 Oct, David Pilling wrote: > > >Make this chapter 2. Rotate the frame and the text inside it rotates as > >you Anthony Hilton > > Thanks for the idea of using more than one chapter, I'd not spotted that. > > What you do then is set up 3 chapters, for the middle chapter you **open > the master pages**, select the main frame, and use the rotate tool to > rotate it by 90 degrees, close the master pages. Which includes the header/footer as part of the master frame. (But I only found that for sure when I tested just now after I read David's response). > What isn't possible is to take the main frame in the document and rotate > it, or make it local and then rotate it. Thats why you need to use > chapters. > > Obviously as ever you can alternatively patch the thing together out of > individual frames, but I think the above is the simplest and will give you > auto generated headers/footers (assuming you want them). It does of course > mean your text won't flow automatically between the three sections. I had assumed the headers and footers werre to be the same orientation on *all* pages, so page numbers (for example) are in the same place in all chapters, so the need for new frames, rotated, on the master pages. Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 9 19:57:26 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156057 for opro ; Tue, 09 Oct 101 19:57:23 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1002472459:10:16342:60; Sun, 07 Oct 2001 16:34:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1119580; 7 Oct 2001 16:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f97Gs7Y24641 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 7 Oct 2001 17:54:07 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from obelix.spectraweb.ch (obelix.plusnet.ch [194.158.230.8]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f97Gs3p24638 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2001 17:54:04 +0100 Received: from janvredenburchsmile.ch (abo-be-1-1-dialup-94.spectraweb.ch [194.230.116.94]) by obelix.spectraweb.ch (8.11.2/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with SMTP id f97GVuM03591 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2001 18:31:56 +0200 Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 18:29:51 +0200 (BST) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: Fill Tool printing problem. To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <4ac42026e2rogersps@onetel.net.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: CIC member; Secretariaat St. Van Vredenburch X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 04 Oct, Roger Penniceard wrote: > > If SPrinter fails then its practically certain the problem is OP, and > > the converse is also true. > > SPrinter works and the resulting Sprite produces the same problem when > printed from Paint, so it looks like it is the Spacetech Printer Driver > that is the problem and OP is off the hook. ......... I tried the same today on a friends printer (BJC620) with no problems %-( > .......... Interestingly when the > Sprite is printed from inside Impression it prints perfectly??? Imported as Sprite? And if you do the same with OvPro (i.e save the Fill frame as a sprite and re-insert it), what happens then? Had no time to try it out, Just came home from 2 days absence. JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch, CH - 6006 Luzern **new email address** >From 29/06/2001 email: janvredenburch@smile.ch .. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 9 19:57:48 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156062 for opro ; Tue, 09 Oct 101 19:57:46 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1002477550:10:17972:60; Sun, 07 Oct 2001 17:59:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1110513; 7 Oct 2001 17:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f97IJaq24856 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 7 Oct 2001 19:19:36 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from smtp-3.mail.griffin.net.uk ([195.166.78.43]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f97IJXp24853 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2001 19:19:33 +0100 Received: from roada.aaugonline.net [217.79.97.132] by smtp-3.mail.griffin.net.uk (SMTPD32-6.05) id A7813A300A2; Sun, 07 Oct 2001 18:57:21 +0100 Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2001 16:09:53 +0100 From: Keith Bamford To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: printer drivers Message-ID: <6943c5c54a.kbamford@ kbamford.eurobell.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I have followed with interest the discussion about printing graduated fills using the fill applet in OP. It set me thinking that I managed this quite well (BW only) when I was using the CC turbo driver and acorn 1.53. I have now abandoned this and am using the acorn 1.64 driver. Unfortunately it gives nothing like the good quality which the CC td gave. I understand from various experts in the field that no one has yet marketed a driver which is as versatile or effective as the CC and yet most people strongly criticise it. How can an expert criticise the CC td and yet have to admit that there is nothing around which will do the same job as effectively? Why cannot someone design a driver which does the same job as well or even better? Like one of the newsgroup contributors I am not interested in the speed aspect of the td, only in the printing quality of the graduated fills and the variability of the dot pattern and lpi and so forth (which was the only reason I bought it originally). Keith -- Keith Bamford kbamford@roada.org.uk why not visit http://www.wyg-roada.org.uk http://www.roada.org.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 9 19:58:12 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156073 for opro ; Tue, 09 Oct 101 19:58:10 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1002565327:11:24223:66; Mon, 08 Oct 2001 18:22:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1014088; 8 Oct 2001 18:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f98Ier614850 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 8 Oct 2001 19:40:53 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from obelix.spectraweb.ch (obelix.plusnet.ch [194.158.230.8]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f98Ieop14847 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2001 19:40:50 +0100 Received: from janvredenburchsmile.ch (abo-mu-2-2-dialup-206.spectraweb.ch [194.230.204.206]) by obelix.spectraweb.ch (8.11.2/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with SMTP id f98III711665 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2001 20:18:29 +0200 Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 20:12:19 +0200 (BST) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: printer drivers To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <6943c5c54a.kbamford@ kbamford.eurobell.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: CIC member; Secretariaat St. Van Vredenburch X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Keith, You said: > I have followed with interest the discussion about printing graduated > fills using the fill applet in OP. > > It set me thinking that I managed this quite well (BW only) when I was > using the CC turbo driver and acorn 1.53. I have now ........... You probably overlooked what I stated. I used, in this specific case, printers1.53 with CC's turbo drivers (as my computer was set up that way a long time ago). It results in smudgy output (and possibly strange effects as a gradual smearing of one colour to another). But then you possibly use another printer, not the BJC7100. Please inform us. But basically the same system elsewhere (I must check details) using a Canon 620 driver gave no problems. This was only a very quick trial, which I must repeat to validate this statement. > ............ I have now abandoned this and > am using the Acorn 1.64 driver. Unfortunately it gives nothing like the > good quality which the CC td gave. Which you use without CC's turbo drivers installed on top of Printers1.64? In that case you can hardly compare the two. As far as I know CC's drivers only function on top of the Acorn (RiscOs?) printer drivers, not on their own. > I understand from various experts in the field that no one has yet > marketed a driver which is as versatile or effective as the CC and yet > most people strongly criticise it. As was already stated some time ago: a pity CC never took the time to further develop their basically brilliant program (or words in similar sense). JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch, CH - 6006 Luzern **new email address** >From 29/06/2001 email: janvredenburch@smile.ch .. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 9 19:58:15 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156074 for opro ; Tue, 09 Oct 101 19:58:13 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1002549288:20:23273:63; Mon, 08 Oct 2001 13:54:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2023123; 8 Oct 2001 13:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f98EEKA14238 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 8 Oct 2001 15:14:20 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f98EEHp14235 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2001 15:14:17 +0100 Received: from narrator.demon.co.uk ([158.152.60.112]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 15qapA-0008FP-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 8 Oct 2001 13:52:05 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by narrator.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Mon, 08 Oct 2001 13:49:08 GMT Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2001 14:49:01 +0100 From: Neill McNeill To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Dynamic Date insertion Message-ID: <1eb241c64a%neill@narrator.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Home/Sensible Software X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.67b Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi there, What would be really useful to me is the ability to insert a character on the master page of a document, rather like the # for page numbering, which would stand for whatever date it is [and time?] when the document is loaded. I know we already have the applet !today but once inserted it becomes static. It would provide useful information about when an undated document is printed. How feasible is this? Or has someone done it already? Regards, Neill McNeill -- | Neill McNeill | Streatham Common|LONDON SW16| |Acorn StrongArm Risc PC OS 3.7|48Mb| |Email:neill@narrator.demon.co.uk| |http://www.narrator.demon.co.uk| |http://www.senssoft.riscos.org.uk| -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 9 19:58:21 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156078 for opro ; Tue, 09 Oct 101 19:58:20 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1002572075:10:20800:66; Mon, 08 Oct 2001 20:14:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1120556; 8 Oct 2001 20:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f98KaBO15064 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 8 Oct 2001 21:36:11 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from warrior-outbound.services.quay.plus.net ([212.159.14.227]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id f98Ka8p15061 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2001 21:36:08 +0100 Received: (qmail 11854 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2001 20:13:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (212.159.20.201) by warrior with SMTP; 8 Oct 2001 20:13:43 -0000 Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 19:17:53 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: RE: Dynamic Date insertion To: "'ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk'" In-Reply-To: <21B2A2008F16D2118E7A00805F8BF7ECA996E5@w12wnxu01.wn.bbc.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Mon 08 Oct, Michael Hunter wrote: > Neill McNeill [SMTP:neill@narrator.demon.co.uk] wrote > > " What would be really useful to me is the ability > > to insert a character on the master page of a > > document, rather like the # for page numbering, > > which would stand for whatever date it is [and time?] > > when the document is loaded. " > > > In the alternative resources site there is a list of hints which includes > this facility and also 'page x of y' > > It is based around the mail merge facility > > Hope this helps The Insert menu includes the option for Active Date. My printed Beebug manual for Opro (2.4x I think) includes it so it is not very new. You may need an applet to include an active time. Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 9 19:58:22 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156076 for opro ; Tue, 09 Oct 101 19:58:16 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1002551404:20:23643:66; Mon, 08 Oct 2001 14:30:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2022703; 8 Oct 2001 14:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f98Ep4r14416 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 8 Oct 2001 15:51:04 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from gateh.thls.bbc.co.uk (gateh.thls.bbc.co.uk [132.185.240.17]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f98Ep2p14413 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2001 15:51:02 +0100 Received: from w1bhxi04.radio.bbc.co.uk ([10.48.8.68]) by gateh.thls.bbc.co.uk (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f98ETpM09162 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2001 15:29:51 +0100 (BST) Received: from w1bhxi01.radio.bbc.co.uk (unverified) by w1bhxi04.radio.bbc.co.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.5) with ESMTP id for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2001 15:28:49 +0100 Message-ID: <21B2A2008F16D2118E7A00805F8BF7ECA996E5@w12wnxu01.wn.bbc.co.uk> From: Michael Hunter To: "'ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk'" Subject: RE: Dynamic Date insertion Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 15:28:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Neill McNeill [SMTP:neill@narrator.demon.co.uk] wrote " What would be really useful to me is the ability > to insert a character on the master page of a > document, rather like the # for page numbering, > which would stand for whatever date it is [and time?] > when the document is loaded. " > In the alternative resources site there is a list of hints which includes this facility and also 'page x of y' It is based around the mail merge facility Hope this helps Michael Michael Hunter This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify me immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the BBC, unless specifically stated. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 9 19:58:32 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156083 for opro ; Tue, 09 Oct 101 19:58:30 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1002607484:10:21513:60; Tue, 09 Oct 2001 06:04:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1021375; 9 Oct 2001 6:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f996Px715964 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 9 Oct 2001 07:25:59 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from sand3.global.net.uk (sand3.global.net.uk [195.147.246.249]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f996Pvp15961 for ; Tue, 9 Oct 2001 07:25:57 +0100 Received: from pb8s06a02.client.global.net.uk ([195.147.150.185] helo=margetts.globalnet.co.uk) by sand3.global.net.uk with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 15qpzJ-0001mH-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 09 Oct 2001 07:03:33 +0100 Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 07:22:04 +0100 (BST) From: Peter Margetts Subject: Re: printer drivers To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <6943c5c54a.kbamford@ kbamford.eurobell.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Sun 07 Oct, Keith Bamford wrote: > snip > > Like one of the newsgroup contributors I am not interested in > the speed aspect of the td, only in the printing quality of the > graduated fills and the variability of the dot pattern and lpi and so > forth (which was the only reason I bought it originally). Interestingly, I had a copy of the CC turbo driver for HP deskjets. It certainly was faster, and more versatile for dot patterns, but when I compared it to the Acorn driver, the quality of the graduated fills was inferior. I remember testing it on the Artworks file of the revolver (Magnum?) This is now sadly lost on a bad hard drive some years ago, but it was a good test of graduations. I wouldn't mind doing the same test again on my CC Laser direct comparing to my Epson Photo 750 Pete -- Pete & Mitzi Margetts An oasis of Kiwi Kulture in the English Desert! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 9 19:58:33 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156084 for opro ; Tue, 09 Oct 101 19:58:31 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1002572830:20:04615:61; Mon, 08 Oct 2001 20:27:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2004371; 8 Oct 2001 20:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f98Kn6Q15167 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 8 Oct 2001 21:49:06 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f98Kn4p15164 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2001 21:49:04 +0100 Received: from [62.188.143.87] (helo=62.188.143.87) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 15qgqb-0004NF-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 08 Oct 2001 21:18:02 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mr R O Davis To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2001 21:26:11 +0100 Subject: Re: Dynamic Date insertion Message-ID: <4ac6660ef5rod@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <1eb241c64a%neill@narrator.demon.co.uk> References: <1eb241c64a%neill@narrator.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02c (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id f98Kn6R15167 In article <1eb241c64a%neill@narrator.demon.co.uk>, Neill McNeill wrote: > Hi there, > What would be really useful to me is the ability > to insert a character on the master page of a > document, rather like the # for page numbering, In a similar vein... is it possible to enter a word (or number) somewhere on a document and for that same word/number to appear elsewhere in the same document. What I want to do is to enter a value of a cheque e.g. =A312.34 at the head of a letter and for that number to appear magically in the body of the letter. --=20 /\ _ \ =20 |=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D| / / / \__\ |=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D| | Rodger Davis | /_/ / / / \ | rod@argonet.co.uk | |=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D| / \_/\_/ /___) |=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D| =20 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 9 19:58:39 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156087 for opro ; Tue, 09 Oct 101 19:58:37 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1002614681:10:09376:63; Tue, 09 Oct 2001 08:04:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1126223; 9 Oct 2001 8:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f998QLR16180 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 9 Oct 2001 09:26:21 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f998QJp16177 for ; Tue, 9 Oct 2001 09:26:19 +0100 Received: from [62.188.156.12] (helo=62.188.156.12) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 15qrjL-0003az-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 09 Oct 2001 08:55:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Adrian John Warrick To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 08:54:12 +0100 Subject: Re: printer drivers Message-ID: <4ac6a50c5bawarrick@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 08 Oct, Peter Margetts wrote: > In on Sun 07 Oct, Keith Bamford wrote: > > > snip > > > > Like one of the newsgroup contributors I am not interested in > > the speed aspect of the td, only in the printing quality of the > > graduated fills and the variability of the dot pattern and lpi and so > > forth (which was the only reason I bought it originally). > Interestingly, I had a copy of the CC turbo driver for HP deskjets. > It certainly was faster, and more versatile for dot patterns, but > when I compared it to the Acorn driver, the quality of the graduated > fills was inferior. I remember testing it on the Artworks file of the > revolver (Magnum?) This is now sadly lost on a bad hard drive some years > ago, but it was a good test of graduations. > I wouldn't mind doing the same test again on my CC Laser direct > comparing to my Epson Photo 750 Two aspects to this as I see it. The Turbo drivers / Laserdirect do cut corners to help increase the speed. I believe certain scaffolding information is ignored. Having said that, I have no problems with the quality my LBP8 and LBP4 produce. (except that they are getting old :-{ ) An Epson Photo 750 should allow 1250 DPI resolution. The Laserdirect Canon units were designed to produce 300x300 dpi and were tweaked by the Laserdirect controller board to produce a pseudo 600 dpi horizontally and were still 300 dpi vertically. All the best Adrian -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ awarrick@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 9 19:58:47 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156092 for opro ; Tue, 09 Oct 101 19:58:46 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1002578825:20:24957:61; Mon, 08 Oct 2001 22:07:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2024730; 8 Oct 2001 22:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f98MRYw15375 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 8 Oct 2001 23:27:34 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.174]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f98MRWp15372 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2001 23:27:32 +0100 Received: from modem-543.alakazam.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.135.13.31] helo=magray.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 15qiWR-0007eE-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 08 Oct 2001 23:05:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2001 18:28:10 +0100 Subject: Re: Dynamic Date insertion Message-ID: <4ac655c271rayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <1eb241c64a%neill@narrator.demon.co.uk> References: <1eb241c64a%neill@narrator.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <1eb241c64a%neill@narrator.demon.co.uk>, Neill McNeill wrote: > What would be really useful to me is the ability > to insert a character on the master page of a > document, rather like the # for page numbering, > which would stand for whatever date it is [and time?] > when the document is loaded. Try Menu...Misc...Insert...Active date I have it set up in my stationery and automatically get todays date when I open a new document. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 020 8864 7208 | the audio and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 9 19:58:54 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156096 for opro ; Tue, 09 Oct 101 19:58:53 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1002618129:20:29554:67; Tue, 09 Oct 2001 09:02:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2029357; 9 Oct 2001 9:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f999N1a16367 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 9 Oct 2001 10:23:01 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from mcvax.org (root@mcvax.org [193.242.82.34]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f999Mwp16364 for ; Tue, 9 Oct 2001 10:22:58 +0100 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=mcvax.org ident=jhma) by mcvax.org with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #6) id 15qske-000Lzo-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 09 Oct 2001 09:00:36 +0000 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Dynamic Date insertion In-Reply-To: Message from Mr R O Davis of "Mon, 08 Oct 2001 21:26:11 +0100." <4ac6660ef5rod@argonet.co.uk> Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 09:00:36 +0000 From: James Aldridge Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Mr R O Davis wrote: > In a similar vein... is it possible to enter a word (or number) > somewhere on a document and for that same word/number to appear > elsewhere in the same document. What I want to do is to enter > a value of a cheque e.g. 12.34 at the head of a letter and for > that number to appear magically in the body of the letter. In another similar vein, is it possible for some arbitrary calculation to be performed when the number next appears (e.g. dividing it by 2.20371). /J -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 9 19:59:06 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156101 for opro ; Tue, 09 Oct 101 19:59:04 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1002627278:20:24483:68; Tue, 09 Oct 2001 11:34:38 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2024534; 9 Oct 2001 11:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f99BtfS16679 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 9 Oct 2001 12:55:41 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from kx1-gui.server.which.net (kx1-gui.server.which.net [194.168.97.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f99Btdp16676 for ; Tue, 9 Oct 2001 12:55:39 +0100 Received: from waddell.which.net ([62.253.76.60]) by kx1-gui.server.which.net (InterMail vK.4.03.02.00 201-232-124 license e70b2acfbd69d84cc925654164bd8fad) with SMTP id <20011009113312.YVWD13918.kx1-gui@waddell.which.net> for ; Tue, 9 Oct 2001 12:33:12 +0100 Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 15:45:11 +0100 (BST) From: John Waddell Subject: Re: Dynamic Date insertion To: Ovation mail list In-Reply-To: <1eb241c64a%neill@narrator.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I use this quite a lot. Misc>Insert>Active date will give you the date. I suppose you could amend the relevant macro to give the time as well? John W On Mon 08 Oct, Neill McNeill wrote: > > Hi there, > > What would be really useful to me is the ability > to insert a character on the master page of a > document, rather like the # for page numbering, > which would stand for whatever date it is [and time?] > when the document is loaded. > > I know we already have the applet !today but once > inserted it becomes static. > > It would provide useful information about when an > undated document is printed. > > How feasible is this? Or has someone done it already? > > Regards, > > Neill McNeill > -- > | Neill McNeill | Streatham Common|LONDON SW16| > |Acorn StrongArm Risc PC OS 3.7|48Mb| > |Email:neill@narrator.demon.co.uk| > |http://www.narrator.demon.co.uk| > |http://www.senssoft.riscos.org.uk| > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message > -- John Waddell, Langbank, Renfrewshire -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 9 19:59:08 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156102 for opro ; Tue, 09 Oct 101 19:59:07 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1002644522:11:13691:63; Tue, 09 Oct 2001 16:22:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1012694; 9 Oct 2001 16:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f99GgA517944 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 9 Oct 2001 17:42:10 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f99Gg7p17941 for ; Tue, 9 Oct 2001 17:42:08 +0100 Received: from narrator.demon.co.uk ([158.152.60.112]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15qzbY-0002BZ-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 9 Oct 2001 16:19:40 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by narrator.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Tue, 09 Oct 2001 06:25:08 GMT Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 07:25:01 +0100 From: Neill McNeill To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Dynamic Date insertion Message-ID: <0e29cc64a%neill@narrator.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4ac655c271rayd@argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: Home/Sensible Software X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.67b Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Brilliant! Thanks for that. Neill McNeill In message <4ac655c271rayd@argonet.co.uk> you wrote: > In article <1eb241c64a%neill@narrator.demon.co.uk>, > Neill McNeill wrote: > > > What would be really useful to me is the ability > > to insert a character on the master page of a > > document, rather like the # for page numbering, > > which would stand for whatever date it is [and time?] > > when the document is loaded. > > Try Menu...Misc...Insert...Active date > > I have it set up in my stationery and automatically get todays date when > I open a new document. > > Cheers, > > Ray D > -- | Neill McNeill | Streatham Common|LONDON SW16| |Acorn StrongArm Risc PC OS 3.7|48Mb| |Email:neill@narrator.demon.co.uk| |http://www.narrator.demon.co.uk| |http://www.senssoft.riscos.org.uk| -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 9 19:59:10 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156103 for opro ; Tue, 09 Oct 101 19:59:08 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1002628676:20:12797:62; Tue, 09 Oct 2001 11:57:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2011261; 9 Oct 2001 11:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f99CIMH16787 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 9 Oct 2001 13:18:22 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.173]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f99CIJp16784 for ; Tue, 9 Oct 2001 13:18:19 +0100 Received: from modem-58.clown-tang.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.249.58] helo=localhost) by cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 15qvUH-00041G-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 09 Oct 2001 12:55:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Simon Jones To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 10:04:15 +0100 Subject: Re: Dynamic Date insertion Message-ID: <4ac6ab7606simon.jones@capelinmedia.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4ac655c271rayd@argonet.co.uk> References: <1eb241c64a%neill@narrator.demon.co.uk> <4ac655c271rayd@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4ac655c271rayd@argonet.co.uk>, Ray Dawson wrote: > In article <1eb241c64a%neill@narrator.demon.co.uk>, > Neill McNeill wrote: > > What would be really useful to me is the ability > > to insert a character on the master page of a > > document, rather like the # for page numbering, > > which would stand for whatever date it is [and time?] > > when the document is loaded. > Try Menu...Misc...Insert...Active date > I have it set up in my stationery and automatically get todays date > when I open a new document. What puzzles me is that the format is fixed in the icon-bar Choices, and doesn't seem to be editable on a per doc basis: occasionally I want dd/mm/yy instead of dd month year: is there a way to achieve this (wish list for 2.67?) Cheers Simon -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 9 19:59:39 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156113 for opro ; Tue, 09 Oct 101 19:59:38 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1002648008:20:16237:61; Tue, 09 Oct 2001 17:20:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2125859; 9 Oct 2001 17:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f99HfoV18158 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 9 Oct 2001 18:41:50 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@[212.67.96.149]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f99Hflp18155 for ; Tue, 9 Oct 2001 18:41:47 +0100 Received: from onetel.net.uk (async209-18.nas.onetel.net.uk [212.67.114.209]) by msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AAN17712; Tue, 9 Oct 2001 18:19:18 +0100 (BST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Roger Penniceard To: OVATIONP-L Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 18:20:39 +0100 Subject: Re: Fill Tool printing problem. Message-ID: <4ac6d8e859rogersps@onetel.net.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4ac42026e2rogersps@onetel.net.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03a (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch wrote: > On Thu 04 Oct, Roger Penniceard wrote: > > > If SPrinter fails then its practically certain the problem is OP, > > > and the converse is also true. > > > > SPrinter works and the resulting Sprite produces the same problem > > when printed from Paint, so it looks like it is the Spacetech > > Printer Driver that is the problem and OP is off the hook. ......... > I tried the same today on a friends printer (BJC620) with no problems > %-( > > .......... Interestingly when the Sprite is printed from inside > > Impression it prints perfectly??? > Imported as Sprite? And if you do the same with OvPro (i.e save the > Fill frame as a sprite and re-insert it), what happens then? It does not print properly. I have sent the information with an example to support@photodesk.ltd but no response yet. Roger. -- ||||| ||| ||| ||||| Roger Penniceard ||||| |||| ||||| rogersps@onetel.net.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 9 22:11:25 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156133 for opro ; Tue, 09 Oct 101 22:11:23 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1002654478:20:03987:68; Tue, 09 Oct 2001 19:07:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2110628; 9 Oct 2001 19:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f99JSkh18396 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 9 Oct 2001 20:28:46 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from mail4.svr.pol.co.uk (mail4.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.211]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f99JScp18393 for ; Tue, 9 Oct 2001 20:28:44 +0100 Received: from modem-117.acyclovir.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.75.245] helo=beeston12) by mail4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 15r2Cg-0006rN-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 09 Oct 2001 20:06:11 +0100 Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 19:56:05 +0100 From: Robin Phillips To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Proof-reading at right-angles !! Message-ID: <8a5e1c64a%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> X-Organization: home X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.68 User-Agent: POPstar/2.03 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Dear colleagues, First let me thank the NUMEROUS folk who helpfully told me how to set up pages with the text at right angles to the normal within a frame of headers, footers, etc. which already has a chapter of text in the normal direction. Very helpful. This is only a SLIGHT problem, but is there a simple way of altering the display so that I can proof-read the resultant pages. without getting z crick in my neck? It happens these pages are accounts in columns with numerous incorrect tabulations! Best wishes, Robin. -- Robin Phillips, 1, Newcastle Avenue, Beeston, Notts., NG9 1BT; Phone: +44 (0)115 922 4930 E-mail: rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 9 22:11:33 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156136 for opro ; Tue, 09 Oct 101 22:11:32 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1002660679:20:04941:61; Tue, 09 Oct 2001 20:51:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2107206; 9 Oct 2001 20:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f99LDGk18563 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 9 Oct 2001 22:13:16 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from warrior-outbound.services.quay.plus.net ([212.159.14.227]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id f99LDDp18560 for ; Tue, 9 Oct 2001 22:13:13 +0100 Received: (qmail 346 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2001 20:50:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (212.159.20.130) by warrior with SMTP; 9 Oct 2001 20:50:34 -0000 Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 21:37:15 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: Proof-reading at right-angles !! To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <8a5e1c64a%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Tue 09 Oct, Robin Phillips wrote: > Dear colleagues, > > First let me thank the NUMEROUS folk who helpfully told me how to set up > pages with the text at right angles to the normal within a frame of > headers, footers, etc. which already has a chapter of text in the normal > direction. Very helpful. > > This is only a SLIGHT problem, but is there a simple way of altering the > display so that I can proof-read the resultant pages. without getting z > crick in my neck? It happens these pages are accounts in columns with > numerous incorrect tabulations! Personally I never trust proof-reading on screen. Better to print it out and give yourself time to check it properly. To proof on screen you might need to proof it in another editor or Opro document before transfering it to the rotated frames. Alternatively you could try making that chapter a landscape chapter and fudge the header/footer angle. *But* I'm not sure how Opro will cope with that for panphlet printing. You probably do need to work a 2-stage process - get the content correct in whatever program is most appropriate (may be Opro as a word processor, a spreadsheet or Tablemate or ...) ignoring layout before putting it all together in Opro for layout. Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 10 02:41:13 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156151 for opro ; Wed, 10 Oct 101 02:41:11 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1002662275:10:09908:61; Tue, 09 Oct 2001 21:17:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1103336; 9 Oct 2001 21:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f99Le5Q18675 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 9 Oct 2001 22:40:05 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f99Le3p18672 for ; Tue, 9 Oct 2001 22:40:03 +0100 Received: from spcap.demon.co.uk ([158.152.73.37]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15r4Fq-0007hZ-0X for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 9 Oct 2001 22:17:34 +0100 Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 22:13:17 +0100 (BST) From: Stephen Parkin Subject: Re: Proof-reading at right-angles !! To: OvationPro list In-Reply-To: <8a5e1c64a%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Home X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Tue 09 Oct, Robin Phillips wrote: > Dear colleagues, > > First let me thank the NUMEROUS folk who helpfully told me how to set up > pages with the text at right angles to the normal within a frame of > headers, footers, etc. which already has a chapter of text in the normal > direction. Very helpful. > > This is only a SLIGHT problem, but is there a simple way of altering the > display so that I can proof-read the resultant pages. without getting z > crick in my neck? It happens these pages are accounts in columns with > numerous incorrect tabulations! Turn your monitor on its side :-) Stephen -- Stephen Parkin -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 10 15:04:02 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156164 for opro ; Wed, 10 Oct 101 15:04:00 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1002719194:20:22278:63; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 13:06:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2022027; 10 Oct 2001 13:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f9AD3Tl24257 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 14:03:29 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from net.wau.nl (NET.WAU.NL [137.224.10.12]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9AD3Rp24254 for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 14:03:27 +0100 Received: from riscpc (sottens-17.s210.WAU.NL [137.224.210.17]) by net.WAU.NL (PMDF V5.2-32 #45292) with SMTP id <0GKZ00LFZQXNOH@net.WAU.NL> for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 15:03:24 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 15:02:02 +0100 From: "Steven M. Ottens" Subject: two rule documents To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-id: <888f4ac74a.steveno@lx.student.wau.nl> X-Organization: Uni MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hello all, I'm currently involved in a songbook with lots of songs and gitarchords. The idea is that i produce a songbook with the songs like this: A C this is the song D C with a lot of words F C# And some of the words A D Get their gitar chord Since it are over 300 pages i hoped there is a simple trick. What i'm looking for is a way to leave space between the sentences and being able to put the chords in that space. Ideal would be that i could select a word and put the chord directly on top of it, since somewords could have multiple chords, i would like to be able to precisly put the chord. Especially the part to add extra space and being able to type there is important to automate, since it's a lot of text i've to parse. I've figured quite a rude way, with 2 frames overlaying and a grid lock so if i type in one frame i get the one line and in the other frame the line above, and leaving the space between. The tough part now is that i can't point and click to add the chords, i've to use lots of spaces and i can't get it exactly where i want them. Ideas are really appreciated Regards Steven -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 10 15:05:18 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156166 for opro ; Wed, 10 Oct 101 15:05:17 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1002677969:10:26722:69; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 01:39:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1127133; 10 Oct 2001 1:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f9A21RB19007 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 03:01:27 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9A21Op19003 for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 03:01:24 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15r8Ki-000076-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 01:38:52 +0000 Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 02:38:02 GMT Message-Id: <156147@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: printer drivers X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R >How can an expert criticise the CC td and yet have to admit that there >is nothing around which will do the same job as effectively? The trouble is, the CC driver is good in parts. There are plenty of bugs that the Acorn drivers have which the CC ones don't. Alas the opposite is true. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 10 15:05:21 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156167 for opro ; Wed, 10 Oct 101 15:05:20 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1002677971:10:26722:158; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 01:39:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1127134; 10 Oct 2001 1:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f9A21Px19005 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 03:01:25 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9A21Mp18999 for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 03:01:22 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15r8Kg-000076-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 01:38:50 +0000 Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 02:35:17 GMT Message-Id: <156145@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Imposition with mail merge X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >The one thing that I always find difficult about OvationPro is Imposition. >I often want to print an A5 document twice (sideways) on a single sheet of >A4 and every time I have to work it out again. Thumbnails... >how - any help would be appreciated. I wanted to print 2 sheets of A5 per >sheet of A4 but also use mail merge to put a different name on each A5 >sheet. Can this be done? No. this is the thing which can't be done. What you would have to do is design an A4 page with two copies of your A5 data on, you can then get two lots of mail merge data in this. But you can't get this effect at the imposition stage. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 10 15:05:32 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156170 for opro ; Wed, 10 Oct 101 15:05:29 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1002697337:10:05703:71; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 07:02:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1005244; 10 Oct 2001 7:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f9A7NrB19441 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 08:23:53 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9A7Npp19438 for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 08:23:51 +0100 Received: from [62.188.136.21] (helo=62.188.136.21) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 15rDEB-0007FT-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 07:52:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Rob Hemmings To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 22:10:37 +0100 Subject: Re: Imposition with mail merge Message-ID: <4ac6edf60erobh@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4ac54eadd1robh@argonet.co.uk> References: <4ac54eadd1robh@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4ac54eadd1robh@argonet.co.uk>, Rob Hemmings wrote: > The one thing that I always find difficult about OvationPro is > Imposition. I often want to print an A5 document twice (sideways) on a > single sheet of A4 and every time I have to work it out again. Perhaps I > have a mental block! > But today I wanted to do something more difficult and could not work out > how - any help would be appreciated. I wanted to print 2 sheets of A5 > per sheet of A4 but also use mail merge to put a different name on each > A5 sheet. Can this be done? > I'm probably missing something simple but I could only get either 2 > sheets of A5 with the same name on each sheet of A4 or just one sheet of > A5 on each sheet of A4. To partly answer my own posting: I've been experimenting further with this. The problem seems to be that mail merge always starts a new (real) sheet of paper for each new record in the CSV file. (This then seems to override the thumbnails setting in the Imposit applet.) Does anyone know if it is possible to stop mail merge going to a new page like this until the previous one has filled up? -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Hemmings Southport Tel: +44 (0)1704 573210 robh@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 10 15:05:45 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156171 for opro ; Wed, 10 Oct 101 15:05:33 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1002697704:10:16616:62; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 07:08:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1112286; 10 Oct 2001 7:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f9A7UBN19505 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 08:30:11 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9A7U9p19502 for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 08:30:09 +0100 Received: from [62.188.135.59] (helo=62.188.135.59) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 15rDKH-0007Mx-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 07:58:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Rob Hemmings To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 08:06:39 +0100 Subject: Re: Imposition with mail merge Message-ID: <4ac72487darobh@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4ac6edf60erobh@argonet.co.uk> References: <4ac54eadd1robh@argonet.co.uk> <4ac6edf60erobh@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 09 Oct, robh@argonet.co.uk wrote: > In article <4ac54eadd1robh@argonet.co.uk>, Rob Hemmings > wrote: > > The one thing that I always find difficult about OvationPro is > > Imposition. I often want to print an A5 document twice (sideways) on a > > single sheet of A4 and every time I have to work it out again. Perhaps > > I have a mental block! > > But today I wanted to do something more difficult and could not work > > out how - any help would be appreciated. I wanted to print 2 sheets > > of A5 per sheet of A4 but also use mail merge to put a different name > > on each A5 sheet. Can this be done? > > I'm probably missing something simple but I could only get either 2 > > sheets of A5 with the same name on each sheet of A4 or just one sheet > > of A5 on each sheet of A4. > To partly answer my own posting: > I've been experimenting further with this. The problem seems to be that > mail merge always starts a new (real) sheet of paper for each new record > in the CSV file. (This then seems to override the thumbnails setting in > the Imposit applet.) Does anyone know if it is possible to stop mail > merge going to a new page like this until the previous one has filled up? Sorry, this cross posted with David's reply - please ignore. -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Hemmings Southport Tel: +44 (0)1704 573210 robh@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 10 18:12:35 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156184 for opro ; Wed, 10 Oct 101 18:12:34 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1002724603:20:10171:62; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 14:36:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2116657; 10 Oct 2001 14:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f9AEMTs24515 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 15:22:29 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9AEMRp24512 for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 15:22:27 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15rKFU-000CCi-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 14:22:16 +0000 Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 15:09:30 GMT Message-Id: <156172@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: printer drivers X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >The trouble is, the CC driver is good in parts. There are plenty of >bugs that the Acorn drivers have which the CC ones don't. Someone should talk CC into letting others take over their RISC OS products. I've no doubt this day will come. When I asked about being allowed access to the source of the ArtWorks renderer to fix a bug, I got the idea that their source code was off limits because the same technology was used in their Xara Windows products. A merger of the two printing systems would be ideal. Incidentally postings of the previous message in this thread from which the above quote is taken to (I believe) all "@btinternet.com" addresses on the list bounced. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 10 21:33:41 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156187 for opro ; Wed, 10 Oct 101 21:33:38 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1002735535:11:19538:60; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 17:38:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1008543; 10 Oct 2001 17:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f9AHbv824993 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 18:37:57 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from mail1.svr.pol.co.uk (mail1.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.18]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9AHbsp24990 for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 18:37:54 +0100 Received: from modem-43.iron.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.25.43] helo=kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk) by mail1.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 15rNIh-0005mz-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 18:37:48 +0100 Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 21:02:43 +0100 (BST) From: "John P. Kerslake" Subject: Re: Dynamic Date insertion To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <4ac655c271rayd@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 08 Oct, Ray Dawson wrote: > > In article <1eb241c64a%neill@narrator.demon.co.uk>, > Neill McNeill wrote: > > > What would be really useful to me is the ability > > to insert a character on the master page of a > > document, rather like the # for page numbering, > > which would stand for whatever date it is [and time?] > > when the document is loaded. > > Try Menu...Misc...Insert...Active date > > I have it set up in my stationery and automatically get todays date when > I open a new document. > > Cheers, > > Ray D > Yes the only lack is to be able to have a stationary item that has an active date that turns into a fixed date when the document is resaved with a different file name. -- J.P. Kerslake B.Sc., F.B.I.S. Pager 07626 - 235878, e-mail Home = johnpercy@kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk, Dyslexia Rules KO. RiscStation 64 meg 50 ns RAM. 9G HD, Ant INS. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 10 21:34:01 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156192 for opro ; Wed, 10 Oct 101 21:33:59 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1002744137:10:14912:60; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 20:02:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1106400; 10 Oct 2001 20:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f9AJxc125289 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 20:59:38 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from he001war.vianw.net (he001war.uk.vianw.net [195.102.249.208]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9AJxZp25286 for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 20:59:35 +0100 Received: from [194.119.179.59] (helo=Caslon.english.co.uk) by he001war.vianw.net with smtp (Exim 3.22 #5) id 15rPU0-0007Ts-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 20:57:37 +0100 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 21:00:13 +0100 Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 21:01:31 +0100 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: two rule documents Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <888f4ac74a.steveno@lx.student.wau.nl> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: POPstar/2.02 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R "Steven M. Ottens" wrote: > Hello all, > > I'm currently involved in a songbook with lots of songs and gitarchords. > The idea is that i produce a songbook with the songs like this: > > A C > this is the song > > D C > with a lot of words > > F C# > And some of the words > > A D > Get their gitar chord > > This is one of the more challenging kinds of material to set out in Ovation. One approach is to use a table - however, that really requires another program such as !TableMate. You can import tables from !TableMate into Ovation and ctrl-dbl click to edit them. The only other alternative I know of is to do clever things with linked multiple frames (it takes a long time to set up the master page). You can then flow the main text OK but you have to mess about with custom tabs to get the alignment of interlinear objects. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 11 13:26:19 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156226 for opro ; Thu, 11 Oct 101 13:26:17 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1002761004:20:20265:60; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 00:43:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2113949; 11 Oct 2001 0:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f9B0fec25761 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 01:41:40 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9B0fbp25757 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 01:41:37 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15rTug-000NNv-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 00:41:26 +0000 Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 01:41:02 GMT Message-Id: <156224@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: SWI error message X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >when I click on Describe it says 'SWI name not known 180'. Thats interesting. I wonder if by '180' it means line 180, that is typical of a Basic program, and I don't write Basic programs... So something beyond my domain, a font manager perhaps, or I think there are some applets that trap missing font events and do things with them. What name is at the top of the error box? David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 11 13:26:24 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156228 for opro ; Thu, 11 Oct 101 13:26:22 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1002760984:10:13988:60; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 00:43:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1013842; 11 Oct 2001 0:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f9B0fcb25759 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 01:41:38 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from imailg3.svr.pol.co.uk (imailg3.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.181]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9AJTOp25239 for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 20:29:25 +0100 Received: from modem-413.arbok.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.135.17.157] helo=magray.freeserve.co.uk) by imailg3.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 15rP2b-0007Wo-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 20:29:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 12:09:38 +0100 Subject: SWI error message Message-ID: <4ac73ac6d0rayd@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I'm using OP 2.66 and get an error message when trying to open some documents from an earlier version. It comes up with 'Application may have gone wrong' etc and when I click on Describe it says 'SWI name not known 180'. Clicking on Cancel then brings up the usual OP box to tell me that a font can't be found and gives the usual sustitution etc. Shouls a missing font cause a SWI error, or is there an underlying cause? Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 020 8864 7208 | the audio and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 11 13:26:26 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156229 for opro ; Thu, 11 Oct 101 13:26:24 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1002781079:20:03037:60; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 06:17:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2115772; 11 Oct 2001 6:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f9B6Gjt26255 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 07:16:45 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9B6Ggp26252 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 07:16:42 +0100 Received: from narrator.demon.co.uk ([158.152.60.112]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 15rZ8r-000HFB-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 06:16:26 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by narrator.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 13:32:28 GMT Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 14:32:21 +0100 From: Neill McNeill To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Active Date Message-ID: <7fd747c74a%neill@narrator.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Home/Sensible Software X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.67b Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi there, I set up a default page which will show the active date on A4. [I put this in the Footer using Page Guidelines on the master page.] However, when I load a new landscape document[using New...] the footer does not contain the date but the arrow indicating the text is too large. If I make the footer bigger, no text appears; just a caret. What might be going on here? Regards, Neill McNeill -- | Neill McNeill | Streatham Common|LONDON SW16| |Acorn StrongArm Risc PC OS 3.7|48Mb| |Email:neill@narrator.demon.co.uk| |http://www.narrator.demon.co.uk| |http://www.senssoft.riscos.org.uk| -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 11 13:26:32 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156231 for opro ; Thu, 11 Oct 101 13:26:29 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1002782582:20:04540:69; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 06:43:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2004341; 11 Oct 2001 6:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f9B6gig26358 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 07:42:44 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from snowstorm.mail.pipex.net (snowstorm.mail.pipex.net [158.43.192.97]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id f9B6ggp26354 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 07:42:42 +0100 Received: (qmail 5838 invoked from network); 11 Oct 2001 06:42:27 -0000 Received: from userax59.uk.uudial.com (HELO loopback) (62.188.139.50) by smtp-6.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 11 Oct 2001 06:42:27 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 07:32:58 +0100 Subject: Re: two rule documents Message-ID: <4ac7a54850dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: References: <888f4ac74a.steveno@lx.student.wau.nl> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.04-pre1 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , David Graddol wrote: > "Steven M. Ottens" wrote: > > Hello all, > > > > I'm currently involved in a songbook with lots of songs and gitarchords. > > The idea is that i produce a songbook with the songs like this: > > > > A C > > this is the song > > > > D C > > with a lot of words > > > > F C# > > And some of the words > > > > A D > > Get their gitar chord > > > > > This is one of the more challenging kinds of material to set > out in Ovation. One approach is to use a table - however, > that really requires another program such as !TableMate. You can > import tables from !TableMate into Ovation and ctrl-dbl click to > edit them. The only other alternative I know of is to do clever > things with linked multiple frames (it takes a long time to set > up the master page). You can then flow the main text OK but > you have to mess about with custom tabs to get the alignment of > interlinear objects. > David As a throwaway aside... maybe not at all relevant, but I'll mention it anyway. I sometimes create tables of data with a Spreadsheet. Eureka, the Spreadsheet app can output in ImpressionOLE format, this can be loaded into OvPro, and Ctrl-Double click OLEd back into Eureka for editing. Cheers Dave S -- _______________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... dfs@ukgateway.net Also... df@dafs.freeserve.co.uk .. or... dave@triffid.co.uk http://www.dfs.ukgateway.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 11 13:26:38 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156234 for opro ; Thu, 11 Oct 101 13:26:36 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1002787444:11:17063:60; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 08:04:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1116889; 11 Oct 2001 8:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f9B82n126559 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 09:02:49 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from gateh.kw.bbc.co.uk (gateh.kw.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.17]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9B82lp26556 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 09:02:47 +0100 Received: from w1bhxi02.radio.bbc.co.uk ([10.48.8.92]) by gateh.kw.bbc.co.uk (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f9B82TJ13310 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 09:02:29 +0100 (BST) Received: from w12wcxi02.wc.bbc.co.uk (unverified) by w1bhxi02.radio.bbc.co.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.1) with ESMTP id for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 09:02:28 +0100 Message-ID: <21B2A2008F16D2118E7A00805F8BF7ECA996E8@w12wnxu01.wn.bbc.co.uk> From: Michael Hunter To: "'ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk'" Subject: RE: Dynamic Date insertion Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 09:02:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro John P. Kerslake wrote: Yes the only lack is to be able to have a stationary item that has an active date that turns into a fixed date when the document is resaved with a different file name. The mailmerge approach I mentioned the other day can insert the file save date and time (and also the print date and time). I don't think I know how to insert the file create time. I use this to store reference copies of letters, etc. If I print a copy later I still get the date the letter was saved (rather than the date I printed it.) Michael Hunter This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify me immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the BBC, unless specifically stated. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 11 13:26:43 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156236 for opro ; Thu, 11 Oct 101 13:26:41 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1002795824:10:24059:60; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 10:23:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1023958; 11 Oct 2001 10:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f9BALRh26859 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 11:21:27 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from mail3.svr.pol.co.uk (mail3.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.19]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9BALOp26856 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 11:21:24 +0100 Received: from modem-1024.arbok.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.135.20.0] helo=magray.freeserve.co.uk) by mail3.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 15rcxg-0003h5-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 11:21:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 09:43:55 +0100 Subject: Re: SWI error message Message-ID: <4ac7b14568rayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <156224@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <156224@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <156224@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >when I click on Describe it says 'SWI name not known 180'. > Thats interesting. I wonder if by '180' it means line 180, that is > typical of a Basic program, and I don't write Basic programs... > So something beyond my domain, a font manager perhaps, or I think > there are some applets that trap missing font events and do things > with them. > What name is at the top of the error box? The first box, the 'Application may have gone wrong ...' one just says 'Error' in the title bar. Clicking on Describe brings up 'SWI name not known 180' - again with just 'Error' in the title bar. Clicking on Cancel brings up the OP 'Missing fonts' window. I use Atlanta for font managing, but get the error without it being loaded. I'll send a zipped copy to you directly to see if it happens on your system. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 020 8864 7208 | the audio and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 11 13:26:47 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156237 for opro ; Thu, 11 Oct 101 13:26:45 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1002795844:10:24196:81; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 10:24:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1023956; 11 Oct 2001 10:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f9BALOe26855 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 11:21:24 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from mail3.svr.pol.co.uk (mail3.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.19]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9BALMp26851 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 11:21:22 +0100 Received: from modem-1024.arbok.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.135.20.0] helo=magray.freeserve.co.uk) by mail3.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 15rcxe-0003h5-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 11:21:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 09:31:33 +0100 Subject: Re: Active Date Message-ID: <4ac7b0239frayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <7fd747c74a%neill@narrator.demon.co.uk> References: <7fd747c74a%neill@narrator.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <7fd747c74a%neill@narrator.demon.co.uk>, Neill McNeill wrote: > Hi there, > I set up a default page which will > show the active date on A4. [I put this in the > Footer using Page Guidelines on the master page.] > However, when I load a new landscape document[using New...] > the footer does not contain the date but the arrow indicating > the text is too large. If I make the footer bigger, no text appears; > just a caret. > What might be going on here? Does the frame overlap, or is near to another frame? If so, the other frame is repelling the text in the footer. Change the runaround in the other frame. (Ctrl-Shift-T) Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 020 8864 7208 | the audio and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 11 17:46:28 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156261 for opro ; Thu, 11 Oct 101 17:46:19 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1002811369:10:25049:157; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 14:42:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1127613; 11 Oct 2001 14:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f9BE2qs27372 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 15:02:52 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9BE2op27369 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 15:02:50 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15rgPw-0003h1-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 14:02:32 +0000 Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 14:59:01 GMT Message-Id: <156251@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: SWI error message X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I'll send a zipped copy to you directly to see if it happens on your >system. No it doesn't. I don't really buy the idea that a particular document could cause a missing SWI error. I'd be inclined to try loading another document with a missing font to prove the point. If a font is missing OPro tells scripts and applets about it, before any warning message appears. So what you describe fits in with an applet being the cause. Again I'd be inclined to run up say the version of OPro on the CD and see if loading the document into that has the same effect. The other key debugging point is to establish what '180' is, is it a SWI number or a line number. If it is a line number then it almost certainly is Basic that is at fault. If its a SWI number then neither decimal or hex values are very hopeful. &180 isn't going to be missing it is so crucial and dec 180 shouldn't exist. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Oct 13 02:14:03 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156286 for opro ; Sat, 13 Oct 101 02:14:01 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1002919927:10:29073:60; Fri, 12 Oct 2001 20:52:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1028935; 12 Oct 2001 20:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f9CKnQ429522 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 12 Oct 2001 21:49:26 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from kx1-gui.server.which.net (kx1-gui.server.which.net [194.168.97.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9CKnNp29519 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2001 21:49:23 +0100 Received: from waddell.which.net ([62.255.44.53]) by kx1-gui.server.which.net (InterMail vK.4.03.02.00 201-232-124 license e70b2acfbd69d84cc925654164bd8fad) with SMTP id <20011012204844.NJXA13918.kx1-gui@waddell.which.net> for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2001 21:48:44 +0100 Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 20:59:44 +0100 (BST) From: John Waddell Subject: Re: Dynamic Date insertion To: Ovation mail list In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 09 Oct, John P. Kerslake wrote: > > On Mon 08 Oct, Ray Dawson wrote: > > > > In article <1eb241c64a%neill@narrator.demon.co.uk>, > > Neill McNeill wrote: > > > > > What would be really useful to me is the ability > > > to insert a character on the master page of a > > > document, rather like the # for page numbering, > > > which would stand for whatever date it is [and time?] > > > when the document is loaded. > > > > Try Menu...Misc...Insert...Active date > > > > I have it set up in my stationery and automatically get todays date when > > I open a new document. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Ray D > > > Yes the only lack is to be able to have a stationary item that has an active > date that turns into a fixed date when the document is resaved with a > different file name. > My solution for this would be to identify the location on documents where you want the date and draw a small text frame there. Having made the frame active by clicking in it, I would then either click on the 'current date' icon, having placed it permanently on the button bar or I would have preconfigured a keypress sequence to insert the current date. On my own setup, I have CTRL/Insert set up to insert the current date and Shift/Insert set up to insert the current time. This means that when I want both the time and date, say at the end of a minute on a file minute sheet, I press CTRL/Shift/Insert. Hopefully, someone will know better and suggest an applet that will do this for you! -- John Waddell, Langbank, Renfrewshire -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 16 19:42:03 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156317 for opro ; Tue, 16 Oct 101 19:42:01 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1003054182:11:05094:61; Sun, 14 Oct 2001 10:09:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1025389; 14 Oct 2001 10:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f9EA7gX32711 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 14 Oct 2001 11:07:42 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9EA7Tp32708 for ; Sun, 14 Oct 2001 11:07:39 +0100 Received: from [62.188.131.82] (helo=RiscPC) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 15si1W-0003VL-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 14 Oct 2001 10:57:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 10:57:11 +0100 Subject: Re: SWI error message Message-ID: <4ac9437c88steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <156251@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <156251@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <156251@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > No it doesn't. I don't really buy the idea that a particular document > could cause a missing SWI error. > I'd be inclined to try loading another document with a missing font > to prove the point. Any document with a missing font does that. I did once try and find the error message origin, as I recall it was somewhere in the OS font handling. It's not fatal and adding the missing font eliminates the error message. -- Steve Pampling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 16 19:42:20 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156324 for opro ; Tue, 16 Oct 101 19:42:18 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1003069733:10:01921:60; Sun, 14 Oct 2001 14:28:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1122960; 14 Oct 2001 14:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f9EET6o00830 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 14 Oct 2001 15:29:06 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from s1.uklinux.net (ns1.uklinux.net [212.1.130.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9EET3p00827 for ; Sun, 14 Oct 2001 15:29:03 +0100 Received: from gromit (ppp-4a-106.3com.telinco.net [212.159.134.106]) by s1.uklinux.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id f9EES4N30813 for ; Sun, 14 Oct 2001 15:28:05 +0100 Envelope-To: Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 14:46:01 +0100 From: Philip Ludlam To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Tabs in styles Message-ID: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (Newsbase/0.67) (RISC-OS/3.70) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.67 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi All, I'm trying to define/edit a style and add two tabs to it - but I can't seem to get it to work. 1) I open the Edit style window, 2) click on Tabs... , 3) Ensure Apply ruler is selected, 4) Click on Left tab , 5) Type 140mm into Position , 6) Click on OK , 7) And click on OK , Nothing happens to the text. If I open the Tabs window (Menu -> Text -> Tabs...) and do steps 4 to 6 nothing also happens to the text. If, however, I open the Tabs window and add a left tab by clicking on the ruler and then clicking on OK then the text is updated. Can any one help me? Thanks in advance. Yours, Phil L. -- http://www.philipnet.com and mailto:philip@philipnet.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 16 19:42:23 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156325 for opro ; Tue, 16 Oct 101 19:42:21 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1003076310:20:22230:60; Sun, 14 Oct 2001 16:18:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2107672; 14 Oct 2001 16:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f9EGHTL01128 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 14 Oct 2001 17:17:29 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from he002war.uk.vianw.net (he002war.uk.vianw.net [195.102.249.209]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9EGHRp01125 for ; Sun, 14 Oct 2001 17:17:27 +0100 Received: from [195.102.201.102] (helo=Caslon.english.co.uk) by he002war.uk.vianw.net with smtp (Exim 3.22 #5) id 15snun-0002Od-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 14 Oct 2001 17:15:01 +0100 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Sun, 14 Oct 2001 17:16:47 +0100 Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 17:18:12 +0100 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Tabs in styles Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: POPstar/2.02 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Philip Ludlam wrote: > Hi All, > > I'm trying to define/edit a style and add two tabs to it - but I can't > seem to get it to work. > > 1) I open the Edit style window, > 2) click on Tabs... , > 3) Ensure Apply ruler is selected, > 4) Click on Left tab , > 5) Type 140mm into Position , > 6) Click on OK , > 7) And click on OK , > > Nothing happens to the text. > > If I open the Tabs window (Menu -> Text -> Tabs...) and do steps 4 to 6 > nothing also happens to the text. > > If, however, I open the Tabs window and add a left tab by clicking on > the ruler and then clicking on OK then the text is updated. > > Can any one help me? > I recall you have to hit return after typing in a measurement - before clicking OK. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 16 19:43:00 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156333 for opro ; Tue, 16 Oct 101 19:42:59 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1003088387:10:00725:60; Sun, 14 Oct 2001 19:39:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1000669; 14 Oct 2001 19:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f9EJe0H01486 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 14 Oct 2001 20:40:00 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from s1.uklinux.net (ns1.uklinux.net [212.1.130.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9EJdvp01483 for ; Sun, 14 Oct 2001 20:39:58 +0100 Received: from gromit (ppp-1a-184.3com.telinco.net [212.159.128.184]) by s1.uklinux.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id f9EJcqq23601 for ; Sun, 14 Oct 2001 20:38:53 +0100 Envelope-To: Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 20:38:40 +0100 From: Philip Ludlam To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Tabs in styles Message-ID: <46b978c94a.philip@philipnet.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (Newsbase/0.67) (RISC-OS/3.70) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.67 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message , David Graddol wrote: >Philip Ludlam wrote: > >> Hi All, >> >> I'm trying to define/edit a style and add two tabs to it - but I can't >> seem to get it to work. [snip] >I recall you have to hit return after typing in a measurement - >before clicking OK. Thanks for that. It now works for me. Yours, Phil L. -- http://www.philipnet.com and mailto:philip@philipnet.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 16 19:43:07 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156336 for opro ; Tue, 16 Oct 101 19:43:06 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1003156852:20:20292:64; Mon, 15 Oct 2001 14:40:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2114489; 15 Oct 2001 14:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f9FEMke02695 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 15 Oct 2001 15:22:46 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from prserv.net (out1.prserv.net [32.97.166.31]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9FEMhp02692 for ; Mon, 15 Oct 2001 15:22:43 +0100 Received: from jacorn.attglobal.net (slip139-92-117-197.mad.es.prserv.net[139.92.117.197]) by prserv.net (out1) with SMTP id <200110151421162010482002e>; Mon, 15 Oct 2001 14:21:17 +0000 Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 15:59:59 +0200 From: James K White To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: two rule documents Message-ID: <2b8dddc94a.jacorn@jacorn.attglobal.net> References: <888f4ac74a.steveno@lx.student.wau.nl> In-Reply-To: <888f4ac74a.steveno@lx.student.wau.nl> X-Organization: Spanish OakSeeds User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50 (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <888f4ac74a.steveno@lx.student.wau.nl> "Steven M. Ottens" wrote: > I'm currently involved in a songbook with lots of songs and > gitarchords. The idea is that i produce a songbook with the songs like > this: I've been away and just read your article to the OPro list. I'll write direct to you as it is not too useful to the list readers. I guess you don't have Sibelius, because it's designed to do jobs like this. Each year I typeset song sheets for Christmas carols which include the vocal line, with notation for Guitar, or for piano. Do you just want to put in very simple chords, like C, or G, and not bother with 7ths etc, or frames? I ask this because Sibelius uses a font to do the more complicated chords with brackets, sharps, flats etc. which Guitar players and pianists regularly use. You might try it in TechWriter Pro, but certainly not OPro. The other consideration is the use of a stave displaying the singer's vocal line. The words go under, while the Guitar chords go above. With Sibelius the chords and the words line up and 'stick' to the note, so editing is easy. The pages are saved out as !Draw files, where they can be resized before dropping into OPro. If you didn't want the music staves they could be deleted in !Draw, though that will add quite a lot of work. Hope that helps James -- RISCOS, el solucion europeano sin Gates -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 16 19:44:01 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156360 for opro ; Tue, 16 Oct 101 19:44:00 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1003186993:10:29872:60; Mon, 15 Oct 2001 23:03:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1029650; 15 Oct 2001 23:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f9FN1Kr03610 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 16 Oct 2001 00:01:20 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from snowy.kiwilink.co.nz (snowy.kiwilink.co.nz [202.27.215.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9FN1Gp03607 for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2001 00:01:16 +0100 Received: from timk.ns.planet.gen.nz (ppp-23.kiwilink.co.nz [202.27.215.89]) by snowy.kiwilink.co.nz (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id f9FMxJL11692 for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2001 11:59:19 +1300 (NZDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tim King To: OPro List Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 10:34:48 +1300 Subject: Keypresses Message-ID: <4aca07312dtim@de-sig.co.nz> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I could put all this down to delerium tremens, but... With a shakey hand, press F3. Then F3 again. F3 > F2. Cool! I never knew that. Is it supposed to work like this? I checked the manual, but there's no mention. How does it do it? As a general principle, it's fabulous. Of course, the point of all this is that I expected the really useful Save as Text to be F3 > F1 (or F4). Damn. So... Tim -- Tim King... de-Sign. +64 9 478.3114 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 17 01:50:34 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156392 for opro ; Wed, 17 Oct 101 01:50:31 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1003273869:20:13588:60; Tue, 16 Oct 2001 23:11:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2126634; 16 Oct 2001 23:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f9GNC9R07914 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 00:12:09 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from mail2.svr.pol.co.uk (mail2.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.210]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9GNC7p07911 for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 00:12:07 +0100 Received: from modem-643.abra.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.135.3.131] helo=modem-643) by mail2.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 15tdM7-0001uC-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 00:10:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 00:09:22 +0100 Subject: Re: Keypresses Message-ID: <4aca93af7crayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <156366@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <156366@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <156366@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >With a shakey hand, press F3. Then F3 again. F3 > F2. Cool! I never > >knew that. Is it supposed to work like this? > When the file save box is open, F1 will select the first save type, F2 > the second and so on. Works in David Pilling's scanning software too. > In general function keys select buttons in dialogue boxes. However > there's no particular sense in how they currently work. But there isn't a key press that selects 'Save as Text' (Save Story) as it comes out of the box. I had to alter my Menus file to make Shift-F3 produce this. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 020 8864 7208 | the audio and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 17 01:50:34 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156393 for opro ; Wed, 17 Oct 101 01:50:31 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1003266563:11:18218:60; Tue, 16 Oct 2001 21:09:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1117936; 16 Oct 2001 21:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f9GL82f07534 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 16 Oct 2001 22:08:02 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9GL7xp07531 for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2001 22:07:59 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15tbQ0-000L7Q-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 16 Oct 2001 21:06:33 +0000 Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 21:30:46 GMT Message-Id: <156366@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Keypresses X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >With a shakey hand, press F3. Then F3 again. F3 > F2. Cool! I never >knew that. Is it supposed to work like this? When the file save box is open, F1 will select the first save type, F2 the second and so on. Works in David Pilling's scanning software too. In general function keys select buttons in dialogue boxes. However there's no particular sense in how they currently work. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 17 01:50:43 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156396 for opro ; Wed, 17 Oct 101 01:50:40 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1003269051:10:25994:60; Tue, 16 Oct 2001 21:50:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1025874; 16 Oct 2001 21:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f9GLpWs07701 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 16 Oct 2001 22:51:32 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from snowy.kiwilink.co.nz (snowy.kiwilink.co.nz [202.27.215.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9GLpRp07698 for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2001 22:51:28 +0100 Received: from timk.ns.planet.gen.nz (ppp-22.kiwilink.co.nz [202.27.215.88]) by snowy.kiwilink.co.nz (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id f9GLnmL17561 for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 10:49:48 +1300 (NZDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tim King To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 10:50:34 +1300 Subject: Re: Keypresses Message-ID: <4aca8c787btim@de-sig.co.nz> In-Reply-To: <156366@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <156366@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <156366@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > Works in David Pilling's scanning software too. uh, so it does! With the advantage that IM includes the path after the 1st save so that there's no need to reach for the mouse. > In general function keys select buttons in dialogue boxes. This is a Pillingism, yeah? I've tried in a few other programmes and the 2nd keypress always defers to it's original function. > However there's no particular sense in how they currently work. (tries a few more dialogue boxes). Not wrong there. Some of them are wildly out of sequence. A kind of Pelmanism exercise I guess. Apart from that, it's a really handy facility. Tim -- Tim King... de-Sign. +64 9 478.3114 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 17 13:40:30 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156404 for opro ; Wed, 17 Oct 101 13:40:28 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1003279682:20:05953:60; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 00:48:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2005787; 17 Oct 2001 0:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f9H0mmG08136 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 01:48:48 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9H0mjp08133 for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 01:48:45 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15terc-000Eiv-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 00:47:16 +0000 Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 22:29:57 GMT Message-Id: <156390@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: SWI error message X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Any document with a missing font does that. I did once try and find the >error message origin, as I recall it was somewhere in the OS font handling. But why not on my machine? Interesting that someone else has the problem though, similarities between you two? David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 17 13:40:39 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156407 for opro ; Wed, 17 Oct 101 13:40:37 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1003301130:20:29692:60; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 06:45:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2029448; 17 Oct 2001 6:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f9H6j9509015 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 07:45:09 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk (mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk [194.201.52.152]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9H6j6p09012 for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 07:45:06 +0100 Received: from ch8as06-70-161-102.cw-visp.com ([212.137.161.102] helo=patbryan2.netscapeonline.co.uk) by mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 15tkHH-0001pT-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 06:34:08 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: To: Ovation Pro News Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 07:43:07 +0100 Subject: Rockwell Shadow Message-ID: <4acabd3a54patbryan2@netscapeonline.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hi Can anyone help me to find the typeface Rockwell Shadow? Rockwell Shadow appears in a letterpress Mouldtype catalogue of 1939(?) and to me is an excellent example of a shadow typeface. It is a titling fount, ie no lower case. I can send a draw file to anyone who wants to look at the speciman page. Thanks, Bryan -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 17 13:40:44 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156409 for opro ; Wed, 17 Oct 101 13:40:41 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1003312601:20:01063:63; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 09:56:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2000521; 17 Oct 2001 9:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f9H9ugW09497 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 10:56:42 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from net.wau.nl (NET.WAU.NL [137.224.10.12]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9H9udp09494 for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 10:56:39 +0100 Received: from riscpc (sottens-17.s210.WAU.NL [137.224.210.17]) by net.WAU.NL (PMDF V5.2-32 #45292) with SMTP id <0GLC00EALGVTVO@net.WAU.NL> for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 11:55:06 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 11:53:56 +0100 From: "Steven M. Ottens" Subject: window stick applet To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-id: <9730d4ca4a.steveno@lx.student.wau.nl> X-Organization: Uni MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hello I'm wondering if it is possible to write an applet which gives a window for the run around of text around frames. Or that the current option window can stay. Since I need that option very often and it would be nice that i didn't need to click the button for every frame i alter, but that it just like the colour applet stays so i can call it with Ctrl-Tab (small program to do the alt-tab program switching). Pro Cad had a stick function on it's tool-option-windows so they kept open and you could use it directly. So it might be even more general, that every option window you open in OvP could stay open if you wish so. I'm using OvP 2.58 (saving for the upgrade :). Regards Steven -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 17 19:21:03 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156431 for opro ; Wed, 17 Oct 101 19:21:01 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1003322317:10:16585:65; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 12:38:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1016490; 17 Oct 2001 12:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f9HCcpL10120 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 13:38:51 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9HCcmp10111 for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 13:38:48 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15tpwe-0002xw-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 12:37:12 +0000 Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 01:52:14 GMT Message-Id: <156400@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Keypresses X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Works in Edit too. Try F4 and then F4 again. F2 is of course familiar in this context. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 17 19:21:38 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156438 for opro ; Wed, 17 Oct 101 19:21:18 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1003340176:10:01894:60; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 17:36:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1001751; 17 Oct 2001 17:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f9HHZfU10738 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 18:35:41 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9HHZcp10735 for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 18:35:38 +0100 Received: from [62.188.132.236] (helo=RiscPC) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 15tuR3-0002e7-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 18:24:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 08:19:21 +0100 Subject: Re: SWI error message Message-ID: <4acac08b7dsteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <156390@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <156390@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <156390@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >Any document with a missing font does that. I did once try and find the > >error message origin, as I recall it was somewhere in the OS font > >handling. > But why not on my machine? > Interesting that someone else has the problem though, similarities > between you two? Hmmm, RISC OS 4.02 all patches, very few fonts installed at present as I didn't get around to re-installing them after the RO4 upgrade. -- Steve Pampling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 17 21:42:35 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156456 for opro ; Wed, 17 Oct 101 21:42:32 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1003344836:11:11420:60; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 18:53:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1016710; 17 Oct 2001 18:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f9HIt5l10951 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 19:55:05 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9HIt1p10947 for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 19:55:01 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15tvog-000Jpw-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 18:53:22 +0000 Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 19:43:22 GMT Message-Id: <156454@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: window stick applet X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Sticky dialogue boxes would be a good improvement. Its non-trivial because many things only work because the program knows that only one dialogue box is open at a time. But this is something I would do if I was making major changes in the future. Ah but are you going to? Well I might. In the meantime there may be enough of a script interface in existence to do your own palettes for some functionality. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 17 21:42:35 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156457 for opro ; Wed, 17 Oct 101 21:42:32 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1003345854:20:19828:60; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 19:10:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2019591; 17 Oct 2001 19:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f9HJC7u11191 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 20:12:07 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from host1.kbnet.co.uk (host1.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9HJC4p11188 for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 20:12:04 +0100 Received: from kbnet.co.uk (host213-1-7-235.webport-cl2-hg3.ilford.mdip.bt.net [213.1.7.235]) by host1.kbnet.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA02618 for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 20:01:50 +0100 Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 20:07:28 +0100 From: Mike Williams To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Rockwell Shadow Message-ID: <1e6001cb4a.akalat@akalat.kbnet.co.uk> References: <4acabd3a54patbryan2@netscapeonline.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4acabd3a54patbryan2@netscapeonline.co.uk> X-Organization: Akalat Publishing User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/3.60) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <4acabd3a54patbryan2@netscapeonline.co.uk> you wrote: > Hi > > Can anyone help me to find the typeface Rockwell Shadow? > > Rockwell Shadow appears in a letterpress Mouldtype catalogue of 1939(?) > and to me is an excellent example of a shadow typeface. It is a titling > fount, ie no lower case. > Rockwell appears in the Monotype Collection originally supplied by LookSystems, but no Shadow weight. The EFF equivalent is Old Mike Williams Akalat Publishing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 17 21:42:40 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156459 for opro ; Wed, 17 Oct 101 21:42:36 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1003344836:10:16727:60; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 18:53:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1111057; 17 Oct 2001 18:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f9HIt1l10946 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 19:55:01 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9HIswp10938 for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 19:54:58 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15tvod-000Jpw-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 18:53:19 +0000 Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 19:40:42 GMT Message-Id: <156450@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: SWI error message X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Hmmm, RISC OS 4.02 all patches Same or similar to me. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 17 21:42:44 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156461 for opro ; Wed, 17 Oct 101 21:42:42 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1003344840:10:16989:63; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 18:54:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1016650; 17 Oct 2001 18:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f9HIt3X10950 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 19:55:03 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9HIsxp10942 for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 19:54:59 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15tvof-000Jpw-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 18:53:21 +0000 Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 19:41:45 GMT Message-Id: <156452@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Rockwell Shadow X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Can anyone help me to find the typeface Rockwell Shadow? If you've not done so already type the name into google.com given there are lots of fonts out there on web sites (and some may even be copyright free...) David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 17 23:28:47 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156464 for opro ; Wed, 17 Oct 101 23:28:45 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1003357419:10:13455:62; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 22:23:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1128094; 17 Oct 2001 22:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f9HMOj111606 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 23:24:45 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from imailg3.svr.pol.co.uk (imailg3.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.181]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9HMOhp11603 for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 23:24:43 +0100 Received: from modem-827.beedrill.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.135.35.59] helo=magray.freeserve.co.uk) by imailg3.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 15tz5a-0001WW-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 23:23:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 18:57:55 +0100 Subject: Re: SWI error message Message-ID: <4acafb01b5rayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4acac08b7dsteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> References: <156390@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4acac08b7dsteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id f9HMOhp11604 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4acac08b7dsteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk>, Steven Pampling wrote: > In article <156390@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling > wrote: > > >Any document with a missing font does that. I did once try and find > > >the error message origin, as I recall it was somewhere in the OS > > >font handling. > > But why not on my machine? > > Interesting that someone else has the problem though, similarities > > between you two? > Hmmm, RISC OS 4.02 all patches, very few fonts installed at present as > I didn't get around to re-installing them after the RO4 upgrade. Same here. RISC OS 4.02 + patch 5. Not many fonts installed, although they are known to Atlanta which I use as a font manager. The same problem happens without Atlanta and just the few fonts in !Fonts. I also have Zap, Oregano and Printers 1.64 booted up on start up, but again the problem exists without any of them being there. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 020 8864 7208 | the audio and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 17 23:32:30 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156468 for opro ; Wed, 17 Oct 101 23:32:28 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1003356666:20:07895:61; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 22:11:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2007737; 17 Oct 2001 22:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f9HMAXj11523 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 23:10:33 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from net.wau.nl (NET.WAU.NL [137.224.10.12]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9HMAUp11520 for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 23:10:30 +0100 Received: from riscpc (sottens-17.s210.WAU.NL [137.224.210.17]) by net.WAU.NL (PMDF V5.2-32 #45292) with SMTP id <0GLD007IWEUQAW@net.WAU.NL> for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 18 Oct 2001 00:08:51 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 00:07:37 +0100 From: "Steven M. Ottens" Subject: Re: window stick applet In-reply-to: <156454@pilling.demon.co.uk> To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-id: <475c17cb4a.steveno@lx.student.wau.nl> X-Organization: Uni MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 References: <156454@pilling.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <156454@pilling.demon.co.uk> David Pilling wrote: > Sticky dialogue boxes would be a good improvement. > > Its non-trivial because many things only work because the program > knows that only one dialogue box is open at a time. > Ok > But this is something I would do if I was making major changes in the > future. > > Ah but are you going to? > > Well I might. > More reason to buy the upgrade, and the next upgrade when it is available. > > In the meantime there may be enough of a script interface in existence to > do your own palettes for some functionality. > Anyone willing to take the challenge, since i still can't program anything. Regards Steven -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 18 13:47:45 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156478 for opro ; Thu, 18 Oct 101 13:47:43 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1003397121:20:08149:64; Thu, 18 Oct 2001 09:25:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2007472; 18 Oct 2001 9:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f9I9LkK12868 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 18 Oct 2001 10:21:46 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from mailsrv.hiway.co.uk (root@mailsrv.hiway.co.uk [195.12.1.3]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9I9Lhp12865 for ; Thu, 18 Oct 2001 10:21:43 +0100 Received: from websrv.quantel.com ([195.12.20.51]) by mailsrv.hiway.co.uk (8.11.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id f9I9K8X16823 for ; Thu, 18 Oct 2001 10:20:08 +0100 Subject: Re: SWI error message To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 10:04:26 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >> > Interesting that someone else has the problem though, similarities >> > between you two? >> Hmmm, RISC OS 4.02 all patches, very few fonts installed at present as >> I didn't get around to re-installing them after the RO4 upgrade. > Same here. RISC OS 4.02 + patch 5. Not many fonts installed, although Reading between the lines of what David has said I guess which applets are installed would be helpful. Andy Ling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 18 19:36:05 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156486 for opro ; Thu, 18 Oct 101 19:35:55 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1003428866:11:17129:62; Thu, 18 Oct 2001 18:14:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1117095; 18 Oct 2001 18:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f9IIEpt13911 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 18 Oct 2001 19:14:51 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9IIEnp13908 for ; Thu, 18 Oct 2001 19:14:49 +0100 Received: from [62.188.137.35] (helo=62.188.137.35) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 15uHWF-00022T-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 18 Oct 2001 19:03:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Rob Hemmings To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 07:16:10 +0100 Subject: Re: Imposition with mail merge Message-ID: <4acb3e9883robh@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <156145@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <156145@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <156145@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >The one thing that I always find difficult about OvationPro is > >Imposition. I often want to print an A5 document twice (sideways) on a > >single sheet of A4 and every time I have to work it out again. > Thumbnails... > >how - any help would be appreciated. I wanted to print 2 sheets of A5 > >per sheet of A4 but also use mail merge to put a different name on each > >A5 sheet. Can this be done? > No. this is the thing which can't be done. > What you would have to do is design an A4 page with two copies of your > A5 data on, you can then get two lots of mail merge data in this. But > you can't get this effect at the imposition stage. Thanks David. Any chance of adding it to the wish list for the future? -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Hemmings Southport Tel: +44 (0)1704 573210 robh@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 18 23:12:10 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156495 for opro ; Thu, 18 Oct 101 23:12:08 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1003441448:20:28089:62; Thu, 18 Oct 2001 21:44:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2028000; 18 Oct 2001 21:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f9ILit814260 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 18 Oct 2001 22:44:55 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9ILirp14257 for ; Thu, 18 Oct 2001 22:44:53 +0100 Received: from [62.188.156.220] (helo=RiscPC) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 15uKnV-0001wI-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 18 Oct 2001 22:33:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 22:33:33 +0100 Subject: Re: SWI error message Message-ID: <4acb9295a4steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , wrote: > >> > Interesting that someone else has the problem though, similarities > >> > between you two? > >> Hmmm, RISC OS 4.02 all patches, very few fonts installed at present as > >> I didn't get around to re-installing them after the RO4 upgrade. > > Same here. RISC OS 4.02 + patch 5. Not many fonts installed, although > Reading between the lines of what David has said I guess which > applets are installed would be helpful. If need be I think those of us who can produce the fault (if I can find/ produce a document with a "missing font") are probably willing to run through a few "strip down" boots to check things. -- Steve Pampling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Oct 20 18:45:39 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156536 for opro ; Sat, 20 Oct 101 18:45:38 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1003573713:20:03054:60; Sat, 20 Oct 2001 10:28:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2002692; 20 Oct 2001 10:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f9KAQiI22160 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 20 Oct 2001 11:26:44 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from net.wau.nl (NET.WAU.NL [137.224.10.12]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9KAQeN22157 for ; Sat, 20 Oct 2001 11:26:41 +0100 Received: from riscpc (sottens-17.s210.WAU.NL [137.224.210.17]) by net.WAU.NL (PMDF V5.2-32 #45292) with SMTP id <0GLI00DIP28QJD@net.WAU.NL> for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 20 Oct 2001 12:24:27 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 12:23:59 +0100 From: "Steven M. Ottens" Subject: fonts in OvP docs To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-id: <1a7362cc4a.steveno@lx.student.wau.nl> X-Organization: Uni MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hello I've made a document in Ovation and it only uses LondonA and English as fonts (including some typefaces). But when i printed it to postscript, using the standard PostScript 2 printer it als added the conversion from Trinity to Times and Homerton to Helvetica. For some strange reason Adobe Distiller tumbled over the reference Times-bold and so I deleted all the references to Times and Helvetica, and it worked. Pitty it doesn't use type 1 fonts but that's a nother story. My question now is is there something so i can check what fonts are needed/used by the OvationPro document, and more important how do i get rid of not used fonts in the final postscript document. Regards Steven Ottens (OvationPro 2.58, RO 4.02, Printers 1.62) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Oct 20 18:46:07 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156540 for opro ; Sat, 20 Oct 101 18:46:06 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1003585740:20:18513:60; Sat, 20 Oct 2001 13:49:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2102473; 20 Oct 2001 13:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f9KDoT422806 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 20 Oct 2001 14:50:29 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9KDoRN22803 for ; Sat, 20 Oct 2001 14:50:27 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 15uwTt-0008K7-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 20 Oct 2001 13:48:13 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 14:46:33 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: David Pilling Subject: Re: fonts in OvP docs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.00-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro One useful thing is to save the document as DDL and load into a text editor. You can then see the fonts defined and actually look at where in the document they are used. In confessional mode, there have been bugs (and probably are still) that cause a document to think it uses fonts which it no longer does. Saving as DDL and then deleting the unused fonts is one way of cleaning up such documents. This has been discussed before, could be we worked out another way back then. -- David Pilling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Oct 20 18:46:11 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156541 for opro ; Sat, 20 Oct 101 18:46:09 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1003576291:20:04856:60; Sat, 20 Oct 2001 11:11:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2102595; 20 Oct 2001 11:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f9KBBQC22357 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 20 Oct 2001 12:11:26 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from net.wau.nl (NET.WAU.NL [137.224.10.12]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9KBBNN22354 for ; Sat, 20 Oct 2001 12:11:23 +0100 Received: from riscpc (sottens-17.s210.WAU.NL [137.224.210.17]) by net.WAU.NL (PMDF V5.2-32 #45292) with SMTP id <0GLI00JKH4B8ZW@net.WAU.NL> for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 20 Oct 2001 13:09:10 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 13:07:54 +0100 From: "Steven M. Ottens" Subject: Re: fonts in OvP docs In-reply-to: <1a7362cc4a.steveno@lx.student.wau.nl> To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-id: <2e7866cc4a.steveno@lx.student.wau.nl> X-Organization: Uni MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 References: <1a7362cc4a.steveno@lx.student.wau.nl> Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <1a7362cc4a.steveno@lx.student.wau.nl> Steven M. Ottens wrote: > Hello > > I've made a document in Ovation and it only uses LondonA and English as > fonts (including some typefaces). But when i printed it to postscript, > using the standard PostScript 2 printer it als added the conversion from > Trinity to Times and Homerton to Helvetica. For some strange reason Adobe > Distiller tumbled over the reference Times-bold and so I deleted all the > references to Times and Helvetica, and it worked. Pitty it doesn't use type > 1 fonts but that's a nother story. > > My question now is is there something so i can check what fonts are > needed/used by the OvationPro document, and more important how do i get rid > of not used fonts in the final postscript document. > Sorry for (partly) answering my own questions I've found the applet !FontList which generates a list with fonts. Now I've found that it actually uses Trinity.Bold and Homerton.Medium.Bold But I can't find them in my document. Is there a way to trace the Fonts and get rid of them? Regards > -- Steven Ottens (OvationPro 2.58, RO 4.02, Printers 1.62) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sun Oct 21 00:11:06 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156549 for opro ; Sun, 21 Oct 101 00:11:02 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1003609969:20:09021:60; Sat, 20 Oct 2001 20:32:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2008847; 20 Oct 2001 20:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f9KKXsA23633 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 20 Oct 2001 21:33:54 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from warrior-outbound.services.quay.plus.net ([212.159.14.227]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id f9KKXpN23630 for ; Sat, 20 Oct 2001 21:33:51 +0100 Received: (qmail 12973 invoked from network); 20 Oct 2001 20:31:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (212.159.25.15) by warrior with SMTP; 20 Oct 2001 20:31:24 -0000 Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 19:59:39 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: fonts in OvP docs To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <2e7866cc4a.steveno@lx.student.wau.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Sat 20 Oct, Steven M. Ottens wrote: > In message <1a7362cc4a.steveno@lx.student.wau.nl> > Steven M. Ottens wrote: > > > Hello > > > > I've made a document in Ovation and it only uses LondonA and English as > > fonts (including some typefaces). But when i printed it to postscript, > > using the standard PostScript 2 printer it als added the conversion from > > Trinity to Times and Homerton to Helvetica. For some strange reason Adobe > > Distiller tumbled over the reference Times-bold and so I deleted all the > > references to Times and Helvetica, and it worked. Pitty it doesn't use > > type 1 fonts but that's a nother story. If you have the Publisher versions from EFF they include type1 fonts and the Acorn driver will use them if in the font directory. EFF2 CD includes publisher versions of all the fonts on it. > > My question now is is there something so i can check what fonts are > > needed/used by the OvationPro document, and more important how do i get > > rid of not used fonts in the final postscript document. > > > Sorry for (partly) answering my own questions > I've found the applet !FontList which generates a list with fonts. Now I've > found that it actually uses Trinity.Bold and Homerton.Medium.Bold But I > can't find them in my document. Is there a way to trace the Fonts and get > rid of them? Have you checked style definitions - even styles you haven't actually used? I think there is an applet which will export your style definitions as a text file so you can check with a text editor (I haven't got it loaded in 2.62 but did have it in a previous version) Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sun Oct 21 15:22:45 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156559 for opro ; Sun, 21 Oct 101 15:22:42 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1003666986:20:13114:59; Sun, 21 Oct 2001 12:23:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2102208; 21 Oct 2001 12:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f9LCMSJ10033 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 21 Oct 2001 13:22:28 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from net.wau.nl (NET.WAU.NL [137.224.10.12]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9LCMPN10030 for ; Sun, 21 Oct 2001 13:22:25 +0100 Received: from riscpc (sottens-17.s210.WAU.NL [137.224.210.17]) by net.WAU.NL (PMDF V5.2-32 #45292) with SMTP id <0GLK0027I299HX@net.WAU.NL> for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 21 Oct 2001 14:19:58 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 14:18:50 +0100 From: "Steven M. Ottens" Subject: Re: fonts in OvP docs In-reply-to: To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-id: X-Organization: Uni MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 References: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message David Pilling wrote: > > > One useful thing is to save the document as DDL and load into a text > editor. You can then see the fonts defined and actually look at where in > > the document they are used. Ok I've done so The only place i found them was in the beginning: // Text styles etc. FONT_3e7a={font "English.Light.Oblique"} FONT_647f={font "AvantG.Demi"} FONT_8f3b={font "Trinity.Medium"} FONT_9494={font "English.Bold"} FONT_a99c={font "LondonA"} FONT_c03a={font "Europe.Bold"} FONT_ddbc={font "English.Light"} I also found out that when opening the DDL file the styles which didn't have a specific font speciefied (so the would choose the bodytext one) where defaulted to Trinity, that is they had trinity selected as font and the tick box behind it was disabled. So i changed all the styles to hard choose the correct font, and it kept having Trinity.medium in the font list. I'm completly sure it's in none of the styles and the default font for ovation is LondonA. > > In confessional mode, there have been bugs (and probably are still) that > > cause a document to think it uses fonts which it no longer does. Saving > as DDL and then deleting the unused fonts is one way of cleaning up such > documents. When i delete the reference to Trinity it keeps appearing when i save it again to normal OvP format > > This has been discussed before, could be we worked out another way back > then. > Ok i'll try to find the discussion in the archives. -- Regards Steven -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sun Oct 21 20:47:36 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156567 for opro ; Sun, 21 Oct 101 20:47:18 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1003683061:11:06620:59; Sun, 21 Oct 2001 16:51:01 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1013396; 21 Oct 2001 16:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f9LGqjB13033 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 21 Oct 2001 17:52:45 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9LGqgN13030 for ; Sun, 21 Oct 2001 17:52:42 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15vLnU-000LUV-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 21 Oct 2001 16:50:00 +0000 Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 15:25:22 GMT Message-Id: <156563@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: fonts in OvP docs X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >The only place i found them was in the beginning: Obviously... >FONT_3e7a={font "English.Light.Oblique"} Defined the variable 'FONT_3e7a' to be the font on the right hand side. So you look for in the rest of the DDL is 'FONT_3e7a' not the name of the font. >When i delete the reference to Trinity it keeps appearing when i save it >again to normal OvP format Yes I see that does happen. I didn't expect it to. I suspect that when loading DDL OPro creates a default set of styles and this is where the Trinity reference comes from. Now probably the fact that the Trinity reference remains after the DDL overwrites the default style is a bug. However a workaround may be to change the font in the bodytext style in the default document. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sun Oct 21 23:05:04 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156574 for opro ; Sun, 21 Oct 101 23:05:00 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1003698717:11:19894:60; Sun, 21 Oct 2001 21:11:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1119830; 21 Oct 2001 21:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f9LLD7s13419 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 21 Oct 2001 22:13:07 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from altrade.nijmegen.inter.nl.net (altrade.nijmegen.internl.net [217.149.192.18]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9LLD4N13416 for ; Sun, 21 Oct 2001 22:13:04 +0100 Received: from padua by altrade.nijmegen.inter.nl.net via 1Cust252.tnt4.rtm1.nl.uu.net [213.116.102.252] with SMTP for id XAA14923 (8.8.8/1.3); Sun, 21 Oct 2001 23:10:30 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <000701c15a74$d965d400$4d01a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: References: <156563@pilling.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: fonts in OvP docs Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 23:09:59 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sun 21 Oct, David Pilling wrote: > >When i delete the reference to Trinity it keeps appearing when i save it > >again to normal OvP format > > Yes I see that does happen. I didn't expect it to. I suspect that when loading DDL > OPro creates a default set of styles and this is where the Trinity reference > comes from. > > Now probably the fact that the Trinity reference remains after the DDL overwrites > the default style is a bug. However a workaround may be to change the font > in the bodytext style in the default document. > Ovation Pro uses (as far as I know) Trinity.Medium for substition of a missing font. I guess, somewhere in OvP has to be a reference to Trinity.Medium to be able to do that. Maybe this makes the reference reappearing in a normal OvP document? mrs. Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Oct 22 14:04:00 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156589 for opro ; Mon, 22 Oct 101 14:03:58 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1003738943:20:17929:61; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 08:22:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2017719; 22 Oct 2001 8:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f9M8NiU14064 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 09:23:44 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from napoli.armware (zappo@67.adsl0.soeb.worldonline.dk [213.237.11.67]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9M8NfN14061 for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 09:23:41 +0100 Received: from pd900739e.dip.t-dialin.net (veni) [217.0.115.158] (sbellon) by napoli.armware with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 15vaKT-0002iT-00; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 10:21:02 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Bellon To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 10:21:09 +0200 Subject: Pamphlet printing and scaling Message-ID: <4acd5961aesbellon@sbellon.de> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e-1 (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi! I have to layout a small pamphlet consisting of four DIN A5 pages fitting on one sheet of DIN A4. The title page is already designed (for quite some time) in DIN A4 and I don't want to recreate it in DIN A5 because of some size ratios, etc. The other three pages I'd like to design in DIN A5 in order to directly see the size they finally get. Question: Is it possible to put this in one document *and* scale only the first page down to DIN A5 when pamphlet printing in one job? Or do I have to print it with two print jobs? Thanks a lot in advance! Greetings, Stefan. -- Stefan Bellon * * PGP 2 and OpenPGP keys available from my home page Hi! I'm a .signature virus! Copy me into your ~/.signature to help me spread! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Oct 22 14:04:23 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156594 for opro ; Mon, 22 Oct 101 14:04:15 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1003741227:10:05671:60; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 09:00:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1005110; 22 Oct 2001 8:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f9M91tq14181 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 10:01:55 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from he001war.vianw.net (he001war.uk.vianw.net [195.102.249.208]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9M91qN14178 for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 10:01:52 +0100 Received: from [194.119.179.59] (helo=Caslon.english.co.uk) by he001war.vianw.net with smtp (Exim 3.22 #5) id 15vatX-0006I9-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 09:57:16 +0100 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 09:48:34 +0100 Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 09:50:09 +0100 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: fonts in OvP docs Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: POPstar/2.02 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro "Steven M. Ottens" wrote: > In message > David Pilling wrote: > > > > > > > One useful thing is to save the document as DDL and load into a text > > editor. You can then see the fonts defined and actually look at where in > > > > the document they are used. > > Ok I've done so > The only place i found them was in the beginning: > // Text styles etc. > > FONT_3e7a={font "English.Light.Oblique"} > FONT_647f={font "AvantG.Demi"} > FONT_8f3b={font "Trinity.Medium"} > FONT_9494={font "English.Bold"} > FONT_a99c={font "LondonA"} > FONT_c03a={font "Europe.Bold"} > FONT_ddbc={font "English.Light"} > > I also found out that when opening the DDL file the styles which didn't have > a specific font speciefied (so the would choose the bodytext one) where > defaulted to Trinity, that is they had trinity selected as font and the tick > box behind it was disabled. > So i changed all the styles to hard choose the correct font, and it kept > having Trinity.medium in the font list. > I'm completly sure it's in none of the styles and the default font for > ovation is LondonA. > > > > In confessional mode, there have been bugs (and probably are still) that > > > > cause a document to think it uses fonts which it no longer does. Saving > > as DDL and then deleting the unused fonts is one way of cleaning up such > > documents. > > When i delete the reference to Trinity it keeps appearing when i save it > again to normal OvP format Yes - Trinity always reappears, but that should not cause a problem. Make sure that trinity is mapped to Times (check in !PrintEdit) and there should be no problem with either postscript or distiller. SOmetimes a problem exists because somewhere in the document there is a fragment (such as a space) defined in a font you're trying to get rid of. In this case, there are two ways forward. One is to examine the DDL for instances of the font in the document (a laborious method if there are several). The other is to handedit the Font specification at the start of the DDL file, changing the font name to something which does not cause a problem. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Oct 22 14:04:35 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156598 for opro ; Mon, 22 Oct 101 14:04:32 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1003747859:20:04747:60; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 10:50:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2105239; 22 Oct 2001 10:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f9MAog214449 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 11:50:43 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from net.wau.nl (NET.WAU.NL [137.224.10.12]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9MAoeN14446 for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 11:50:40 +0100 Received: from riscpc (sottens-17.s210.WAU.NL [137.224.210.17]) by net.WAU.NL (PMDF V5.2-32 #45292) with SMTP id <0GLL00D5PSO0BO@net.WAU.NL> for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 12:48:01 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 12:47:36 +0100 From: "Steven M. Ottens" Subject: OT TheSansCorrespondence To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-id: X-Organization: Uni MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Helllo Sorry for posting this posting here but I'm not sure where else to post since the DTP list seems to be dead. I'm looking for the font TheSansCorrespondence for RISC OS I do have the TTF font but since i lack the TTFtranslator I've no way of using that. Does anyone have that particular font? Or is willing to translate it for me? -- Regards Steven -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Oct 22 14:04:53 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156600 for opro ; Mon, 22 Oct 101 14:04:48 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1003753719:20:15882:74; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 12:28:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2123120; 22 Oct 2001 12:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f9MC0F714607 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 13:00:15 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9MC0CN14604 for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 13:00:12 +0100 Received: from [62.188.28.186] (helo=62.188.28.186) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 15vdYz-0006dv-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 12:48:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Mijas Software) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 12:38:36 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.31 for RISC OS 4.24 Subject: Re: Pamphlet printing and scaling Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Mon 22 Oct 2001 (10:21:09 +0200), sbellon@sbellon.de wrote: > Question: Is it possible to put this in one document *and* scale only > the first page down to DIN A5 when pamphlet printing in one job? Or do > I have to print it with two print jobs? > It should be possible to print both parts of the job to file separately and then print them one after the other - however how you do that depends on the type of printer, whether you are using Postscript and whether you want multiple copies of the whole job. Could we have some more details please? John -- ___ _ __ ___________________________________________ |\/| | | |_| (_ / Scientific/Education/Utilities - RISC OS 4 | | | _| | | __) Software / email: mijassw@argonet.co.uk - Developer ____________________________/ web: http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/mijassw/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Oct 22 17:36:05 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156606 for opro ; Mon, 22 Oct 101 17:35:58 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1003755975:20:17727:62; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 13:06:15 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2101751; 22 Oct 2001 13:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f9MD52s14806 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 14:05:02 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from napoli.armware (zappo@67.adsl0.soeb.worldonline.dk [213.237.11.67]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9MD4xN14803 for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 14:04:59 +0100 Received: from pd900739e.dip.t-dialin.net (veni) [217.0.115.158] (sbellon) by napoli.armware with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 15veif-0002sJ-00; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 15:02:18 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Bellon To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 14:59:08 +0200 Subject: Re: Pamphlet printing and scaling Message-ID: <4acd72d529sbellon@sbellon.de> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e-1 (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Mijas Software wrote: > On Mon 22 Oct 2001 (10:21:09 +0200), sbellon@sbellon.de wrote: > > Question: Is it possible to put this in one document *and* scale > > only the first page down to DIN A5 when pamphlet printing in one > > job? Or do I have to print it with two print jobs? > > > It should be possible to print both parts of the job to file > separately and then print them one after the other - however how you > do that depends on the type of printer, whether you are using > Postscript and whether you want multiple copies of the whole job. Sorry for not having been specific enough. I know how to handle it with spooling into printout (or postscript) files. But then I have to reinsert one sheet of paper again (the one which holds page 1 and page 4). Therefore I'd like to know whether there exists a OvationPro-ish solution. Greetings, Stefan. -- Stefan Bellon * * PGP 2 and OpenPGP keys available from my home page Microsoft shouldn't be broken up. It should be shut down. (Bruce Schneier) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Oct 22 17:36:19 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156608 for opro ; Mon, 22 Oct 101 17:36:15 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1003767770:20:23942:60; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 16:22:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2112627; 22 Oct 2001 16:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f9MG9ur15236 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 17:09:56 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from altrade.nijmegen.inter.nl.net (altrade.nijmegen.internl.net [217.149.192.18]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9MG9pN15231 for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 17:09:51 +0100 Received: from padua by altrade.nijmegen.inter.nl.net via 1Cust78.tnt37.rtm1.nl.uu.net [213.116.168.78] with SMTP for id SAA07007 (8.8.8/1.3); Mon, 22 Oct 2001 18:07:05 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <001301c15b13$a111d050$4d01a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: References: <4acd72d529sbellon@sbellon.de> Subject: Re: Pamphlet printing and scaling Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 18:06:21 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 22 Oct, Stefan Bellon wrote: > Mijas Software wrote: > > On Mon 22 Oct 2001 (10:21:09 +0200), sbellon@sbellon.de wrote: > > > Question: Is it possible to put this in one document *and* scale > > > only the first page down to DIN A5 when pamphlet printing in one > > > job? Or do I have to print it with two print jobs? > > > > > It should be possible to print both parts of the job to file > > separately and then print them one after the other - however how you > > do that depends on the type of printer, whether you are using > > Postscript and whether you want multiple copies of the whole job. > > Sorry for not having been specific enough. I know how to handle it with > spooling into printout (or postscript) files. But then I have to > reinsert one sheet of paper again (the one which holds page 1 and page > 4). Therefore I'd like to know whether there exists a OvationPro-ish > solution. Maybe you know, maybe not, but you can make *one* PostScript file from different files and applications and with different pagesizes, when you choose in the Connections menu of the PostScript printer driver "Append to file" and next drag the icon for the output file to disc *BEFORE* printing the first file to PostScript. The resulting PostScript file (composed of all the different elements) can be edited with !PSUtils. However, I can't tell for your specific demands. As far as I know, only Impression doesn't like "this Append" and always starts a new PostScript file. mrs. Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Oct 22 17:36:50 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156610 for opro ; Mon, 22 Oct 101 17:36:44 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1003767045:10:08943:62; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 16:10:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1008122; 22 Oct 2001 16:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f9MG9uu15237 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 17:09:56 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from altrade.nijmegen.inter.nl.net (altrade.nijmegen.internl.net [217.149.192.18]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9MG9pN15230 for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 17:09:51 +0100 Received: from padua by altrade.nijmegen.inter.nl.net via 1Cust78.tnt37.rtm1.nl.uu.net [213.116.168.78] with SMTP for id SAA07004 (8.8.8/1.3); Mon, 22 Oct 2001 18:07:04 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <001201c15b13$a06c1a70$4d01a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: "Ovation Pro" References: Subject: Re: fonts in OvP docs Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 17:27:53 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Mon 22 Oct, David Graddol > "Steven M. Ottens" wrote: > > > In message > > David Pilling wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > One useful thing is to save the document as DDL and load into a text > > > editor. You can then see the fonts defined and actually look at where in > > > > > > the document they are used. This doesn't work for the fonts used in pictures, these aren't listed in the DDL. Artworks files can be very troublesome, when the pictures (with text) have been saved with the undo buffer on. > > Yes - Trinity always reappears, but that should not cause a > problem. Make sure that trinity is mapped to Times (check in > !PrintEdit) and there should be no problem with either postscript > or distiller. > > SOmetimes a problem exists because somewhere in the document > there is a fragment (such as a space) defined in a font you're > trying to get rid of. In this case, there are two ways forward. > One is to examine the DDL for instances of the font in the > document (a laborious method if there are several). The other is > to handedit the Font specification at the start of the DDL file, > changing the font name to something which does not cause a > problem. Or make a mapping with !FontPrint that undoes the trouble caused by such an unwanted font and restart !Printers. mrs. Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 23 00:18:16 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156616 for opro ; Tue, 23 Oct 101 00:18:13 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1003769784:20:18064:65; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 16:56:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2107656; 22 Oct 2001 16:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f9MGc0h15456 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 17:38:00 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9MGbwN15453 for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 17:37:58 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15vi2l-0002hl-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 16:35:15 +0000 Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 17:37:26 GMT Message-Id: <156611@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: fonts in OvP docs X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Another possibility would be to print your A4 page to PostScript i.e. a file Then set up your A5 pages as a document, with a frame where the A4 page is to go, and insert into that the PS you saved. That should work given you have a PS printer. We're talking EPS here really. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 23 00:18:17 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156615 for opro ; Tue, 23 Oct 101 00:18:13 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1003786861:10:24237:60; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 21:41:01 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1103535; 22 Oct 2001 21:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f9MLgOh16366 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 22:42:24 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from napoli.armware (zappo@67.adsl0.soeb.worldonline.dk [213.237.11.67]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9MLgLN16363 for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 22:42:21 +0100 Received: from pd900739e.dip.t-dialin.net (veni) [217.0.115.158] (sbellon) by napoli.armware with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 15vmnH-0003Cs-00; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 23:39:35 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Bellon To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 23:17:12 +0200 Subject: Re: Pamphlet printing and scaling Message-ID: <4acda06eb7sbellon@sbellon.de> In-Reply-To: <04e48ecd4a.akalat@akalat.kbnet.co.uk> References: <4acd72d529sbellon@sbellon.de> <04e48ecd4a.akalat@akalat.kbnet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e-1 (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Mike Williams wrote: > In message <4acd72d529sbellon@sbellon.de> you wrote: > > Sorry for not having been specific enough. I know how to handle it > > with spooling into printout (or postscript) files. But then I have > > to reinsert one sheet of paper again (the one which holds page 1 > > and page 4). Therefore I'd like to know whether there exists a > > OvationPro-ish solution. > It might be a roundabout route but you might consider some way of > outputting your A4 as Postscript, converting that into an EPS file > and reloading that, scaled, into an A5 size document. I am not sure > exactly how this might be achieved, though Vantage/RiScript might > help. I do know that Adobe Illustrator will load a (one page) > PostScript file as generated under RISC OS, which can then be saved > as an EPS file. > Another alternative is to output your A4 page using SPrint at a > suitably high resolution (say 720dpi), then resizing to 300dpi in > David Pilling's scanning software or Photodesk, and re-importing back into Ovation Pto. You > would be surprised how many adverts, for example, are rendered as > TIFF or Sprite files even though they contain much text. Yes, I know of those work-arounds. I even can print to a printout file and then scale it with Andreas Dehmel's PCL tools. But that's not what I wanted. So, to sum it up, there's no way of doing it in OvationPro? That seems to be an omission, I think. It's in no way a difficult task. Everything that would be needed is a "per page scaling". So you can scale the first page to 71 % before applying the "pamphlet printing". This should be possible to achieve in an applet like Imposit. Or am I wrong here? Greetings, Stefan. -- Stefan Bellon * * PGP 2 and OpenPGP keys available from my home page If something appears to be too good to be true, it probably is. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 23 00:18:19 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156617 for opro ; Tue, 23 Oct 101 00:18:17 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1003770979:20:21057:61; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 17:16:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2126494; 22 Oct 2001 17:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f9MGZQd15431 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 17:35:26 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from lycee.ns.uk.easynet.net (lycee.ns.uk.easynet.net [195.40.1.37]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9MAYXN14415 for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 11:34:33 +0100 Received: from ukonline.co.uk (tnt-6-33.easynet.co.uk [195.40.201.33]) by lycee.ns.uk.easynet.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 56E799C3C for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 11:31:49 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 11:34:57 +0100 From: mark stephens To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Generating landscape pdfs with Ovation/Riscript Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: IDRsolutions User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, I have produced some documents in Ovation pro which I need to put into pdf format (landscape). They include images. I have the standard Acorn Postscript driver and then load into RiScript. Results are very disapppointing when loaded into Acrobat. My main problems are:- 1. I want the pdf to default to landscape and cannot persuade PiScript to set this. 2. Image quality is very poor. Any advice please. Regards, MArk -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 23 00:18:21 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156618 for opro ; Tue, 23 Oct 101 00:18:19 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1003772370:10:27769:60; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 17:39:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1117936; 22 Oct 2001 17:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f9MHf8415782 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 18:41:08 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from napoli.armware (zappo@67.adsl0.soeb.worldonline.dk [213.237.11.67]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9MHf5N15779 for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 18:41:05 +0100 Received: from pd900739e.dip.t-dialin.net (veni) [217.0.115.158] (sbellon) by napoli.armware with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 15vj1q-00033J-00; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 19:38:22 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Bellon To: Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 19:34:02 +0200 Subject: Re: Pamphlet printing and scaling Message-ID: <4acd8bfff9sbellon@sbellon.de> In-Reply-To: <001301c15b13$a111d050$4d01a8c0@padua> References: <4acd72d529sbellon@sbellon.de> <001301c15b13$a111d050$4d01a8c0@padua> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e-1 (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Tonnie Demarteau wrote: > On Mon 22 Oct, Stefan Bellon wrote: [snip] > > Sorry for not having been specific enough. I know how to handle it > > with spooling into printout (or postscript) files. But then I have > > to reinsert one sheet of paper again (the one which holds page 1 > > and page 4). Therefore I'd like to know whether there exists a > > OvationPro-ish solution. > Maybe you know, maybe not, but you can make *one* PostScript file > from different files and applications and with different pagesizes, > when you choose in the Connections menu of the PostScript printer > driver "Append to file" and next drag the icon for the output file to > disc *BEFORE* printing the first file to PostScript. Yes, I know this. I have already written software that outputs PostScript. I have written PostScript files that calculates things in PostScript itself. I like PostScript. But my question was different. I just want to know whether it is possible with OvationPro to print a pamphlet from *one* OvationPro document with pages of different paper size in a way that OvationPro scales all individual pages to fit one pamphlet page (i.e. DIN A4 pages are scaled down to DIN A5 with 71 %, DIN A5 pages are kept at 100 %, ...). Greetings, Stefan. PS: The problem is, that I want to be able to print the pamphlet in a year or two without having to think about the settings and all that stuff. I just want to set it up right now, click on save and be able to print it in a years' time. If this doesn't work, then I'll have to watch for another solution. But I don't want to search for that solution if my need is already covered by OvationPro. -- Stefan Bellon * * PGP 2 and OpenPGP keys available from my home page Mistakes are often the stepping stones to utter failure -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 23 00:18:24 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156619 for opro ; Tue, 23 Oct 101 00:18:22 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1003783981:20:21032:60; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 20:53:01 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2020642; 22 Oct 2001 20:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f9MKsqu16223 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 21:54:52 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from host1.kbnet.co.uk (host1.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9MKsnN16220 for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 21:54:50 +0100 Received: from kbnet.co.uk (host213-1-19-80.webport-cl2-hg7.ilford.mdip.bt.net [213.1.19.80]) by host1.kbnet.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA18462 for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 21:44:17 +0100 Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 19:05:36 +0100 From: Mike Williams To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Pamphlet printing and scaling Message-ID: <04e48ecd4a.akalat@akalat.kbnet.co.uk> References: <4acd72d529sbellon@sbellon.de> In-Reply-To: <4acd72d529sbellon@sbellon.de> X-Organization: Akalat Publishing User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/3.60) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id f9MKsoN16221 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <4acd72d529sbellon@sbellon.de> you wrote: > Sorry for not having been specific enough. I know how to handle it with > spooling into printout (or postscript) files. But then I have to > reinsert one sheet of paper again (the one which holds page 1 and page > 4). Therefore I'd like to know whether there exists a OvationPro-ish > solution. > > Stefan. > It might be a roundabout route but you might consider some way of outputting your A4 as Postscript, converting that into an EPS Another alternative is to output your A4 page using SPrint at a suitably high resolution (say 720dpi), then resizing to 300dpi Mike Williams Akalat Publishing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 23 00:18:33 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156623 for opro ; Tue, 23 Oct 101 00:18:31 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1003788167:20:04092:60; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 22:02:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2003721; 22 Oct 2001 22:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f9MM4ix16449 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 23:04:44 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9MM4fN16446 for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 23:04:41 +0100 Received: from [62.188.139.208] (helo=62.188.139.208) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 15vmzr-0004uY-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 22:52:36 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Mijas Software) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 22:51:54 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.31 for RISC OS 4.24 Subject: Re: Pamphlet printing and scaling Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Mike Thanks for the comments - but I was not the original enquirer! I do agree with your comments re using !Sprites etc. and have had to do similar things when converting A5 Postscript pamphlets (From Ventura under Windows) to A4 Pamphlets - the Windows driver seems incapable of scaling pamphlet output - producing the most amazing nonsense!!! I use !Riscript to get !Draw files and re-import into Ovation, which being under RO4 has excellent scaling capability!!! I have tried using !PSUtils, but they are also limited when using recent Postscript output. I find it annoying that there seems to be no reliable way of converting Postscript obtained as above to EPS. Do you know one? John -- ___ _ __ ___________________________________________ |\/| | | |_| (_ / Scientific/Education/Utilities - RISC OS 4 | | | _| | | __) Software / email: mijassw@argonet.co.uk - Developer ____________________________/ web: http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/mijassw/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 23 01:58:12 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156637 for opro ; Tue, 23 Oct 101 01:58:10 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1003793760:20:13287:60; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 23:36:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2013006; 22 Oct 2001 23:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f9MNc8716665 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 23 Oct 2001 00:38:08 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from mcvax.org (root@mcvax.org [193.242.82.34]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9MNc5N16662 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2001 00:38:05 +0100 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=mcvax.org ident=jhma) by mcvax.org with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #6) id 15vobH-000523-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 23:35:19 +0000 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Pamphlet printing and scaling In-Reply-To: Message from Stefan Bellon of "Mon, 22 Oct 2001 23:17:12 +0200." <4acda06eb7sbellon@sbellon.de> Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 23:35:19 +0000 From: James Aldridge Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Stefan Bellon wrote: > So, to sum it up, there's no way of doing it in OvationPro? That seems > to be an omission, I think. It's in no way a difficult task. Everything > that would be needed is a "per page scaling". So you can scale the > first page to 71 % before applying the "pamphlet printing". This should > be possible to achieve in an applet like Imposit. Or am I wrong here? What I'd like to be able to do (although I don't suppose that it's likely to happen) is to be able to import a (single page) OvationPro document into a frame in another document and have the original document scaled accordingly... James -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 23 14:31:00 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156641 for opro ; Tue, 23 Oct 101 14:30:55 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1003798538:11:01139:61; Tue, 23 Oct 2001 00:55:38 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1100811; 23 Oct 2001 0:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f9N0vpG16852 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 23 Oct 2001 01:57:51 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9N0vmN16849 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2001 01:57:48 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15vpqO-0007Tv-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 23 Oct 2001 00:55:01 +0000 Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 00:47:43 GMT Message-Id: <156635@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Pamphlet printing and scaling X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I just want to know whether it is possible with OvationPro to print a >pamphlet from *one* OvationPro document with pages of different paper >size I'll stick my neck out then. No it can't be done. I've had a look at the source code and making it possible to write an imposition script which allowed this would not be too difficult i.e. allowing different scaling for each page on a sheet. However sooner you than me writes the script side of things and explains to people what it does. Currently scaling is either a fixed %'age or goes off the total area of all the stuff on the page (e.g. scale to fit). This is the first time that anyone suggested there was a need for this. The thing that I always fancy doing is having one sheet of A4 printed sideways in an A5 pamphlet for a double page spread. I suspect that is possible with the current program and a suitably complex imposition script. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 23 14:32:07 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156654 for opro ; Tue, 23 Oct 101 14:31:44 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1003835132:20:12159:66; Tue, 23 Oct 2001 11:05:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2101773; 23 Oct 2001 11:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f9NB6Sn17779 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 23 Oct 2001 12:06:28 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from altrade.nijmegen.inter.nl.net (altrade.nijmegen.internl.net [217.149.192.18]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9NB6PN17776 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2001 12:06:25 +0100 Received: from padua by altrade.nijmegen.inter.nl.net via 1Cust41.tnt4.rtm1.nl.uu.net [213.116.102.41] with SMTP for id NAA06631 (8.8.8/1.3); Tue, 23 Oct 2001 13:03:29 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <003401c15bb2$62044d80$4d01a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: "Ovation Pro" References: Subject: Re: Generating landscape pdfs with Ovation/Riscript Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 13:03:10 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro ----- Original Message ----- From: mark stephens To: Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 12:34 PM Subject: Generating landscape pdfs with Ovation/Riscript > Hi, > > I have produced some documents in Ovation pro which I need to put into pdf > format (landscape). They include images. I have the standard Acorn Postscript > driver and then load into RiScript. > > Results are very disapppointing when loaded into Acrobat. > > My main problems are:- > 1. I want the pdf to default to landscape and cannot persuade PiScript to set > this. You can do this in Ovation Pro (I have 266) Iconbar menu-->new-->papersize A4 landscape Print: *No* sideways in Printers: (new) papersize A4 landscape If you don't have such a papersize already in !Printers, you have to make this first and make it the selected paper. When you want to rotate the PostScript file you can use !PSUtils. A link can be found on the GhostScript website. Load !PSUtils-->PSnup-->Configure output file to landscape, fit 1 page. Drop the PostScript file on the icon Save the file (new name if you prefer) and feed it to RiScript. > 2. Image quality is very poor. One precaution in particular in the document can help: Don't use sprites with 256 colours or less. Convert these to 32K or 16M colour sprites or -if you prefer JPEGs, what I don't. You can do this with e.g. !ChangeFSI. Ovation Pro doc will grow, the resulting pdf not. In !RiScript Pro (I have 4.13) -switch colour depth to 32K or 16M. -turn "Substitute Type3 fonts" ON and click on set, before you convert the PostScript to PDF. Make sure the fonts, used in the original document are loaded. mrs. Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 23 14:32:31 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156659 for opro ; Tue, 23 Oct 101 14:32:27 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1003839881:10:15082:62; Tue, 23 Oct 2001 12:24:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1118324; 23 Oct 2001 12:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f9NCQX118027 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 23 Oct 2001 13:26:33 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from he002war.uk.vianw.net (he002war.uk.vianw.net [195.102.249.209]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9NCQUN18024 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2001 13:26:30 +0100 Received: from [194.119.179.59] (helo=Caslon.english.co.uk) by he002war.uk.vianw.net with smtp (Exim 3.22 #5) id 15w0ZD-0006a1-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 23 Oct 2001 13:22:00 +0100 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Tue, 23 Oct 2001 13:06:31 +0100 Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 13:08:08 +0100 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Pamphlet printing and scaling Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: POPstar/2.02 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro James Aldridge wrote: > Stefan Bellon wrote: > > So, to sum it up, there's no way of doing it in OvationPro? That seems > > to be an omission, I think. It's in no way a difficult task. Everything > > that would be needed is a "per page scaling". So you can scale the > > first page to 71 % before applying the "pamphlet printing". This should > > be possible to achieve in an applet like Imposit. Or am I wrong here? > > What I'd like to be able to do (although I don't suppose that it's likely to > happen) is to be able to import a (single page) OvationPro document into a > frame in another document and have the original document scaled accordingly... > This is just about possible (and this may also be a work around for the single page scaling problem). Print the page you want to a postscript file. Render that in RiScript, and export as a Draw file. You now have a draw file which can be resized at will inside a frame in another document. A really nice feature of TechWriter is the ability to drag a box over any part of the page and save the selection as a draw file. We sometimes generate tables like this and drop them back into Ovation frames. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 23 17:44:01 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156672 for opro ; Tue, 23 Oct 101 17:43:59 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1003850335:20:16238:61; Tue, 23 Oct 2001 15:18:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2016098; 23 Oct 2001 15:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f9NFJRn18543 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 23 Oct 2001 16:19:27 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk [137.205.192.30]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9NFJON18538 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2001 16:19:24 +0100 Received: from rapier.wbs.warwick.ac.uk (rapier [137.205.184.11]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id f9NFGTC29010 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2001 16:16:29 +0100 (BST) Received: from RAPIER/SpoolDir by rapier.wbs.warwick.ac.uk (Mercury 1.48); 23 Oct 01 16:16:28 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by RAPIER (Mercury 1.48); 23 Oct 01 16:16:09 +0000 Received: from TREVOR (137.205.186.55) by rapier.wbs.warwick.ac.uk (Mercury 1.48); 23 Oct 01 16:16:08 +0000 From: "Nick Kaijaks" To: Subject: RE: Pamphlet printing and scaling Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 16:16:07 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-reply-to: <156635@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R David Pilling wrote: >I've had a look at the source code and making it possible to write >an imposition script which allowed this would not be too difficult >i.e. allowing different scaling for each page on a sheet. > >However sooner you than me writes the script side of things and >explains to people what it does. > >Currently scaling is either a fixed %'age or goes off the total >area of all the stuff on the page (e.g. scale to fit). > >This is the first time that anyone suggested there was a need for this. I spent quite a few hours writing an imposition script about eighteen months back which worked in every respect except that it didn't do the varietal scaling, and I did suggest it to you then, honest! Cheers, Nick -- Dr Nick Kaijaks, Pinxit Design - Information Design for Internet and print http://www.kaijaks.co.uk/ mailto:nick@kaijaks.co.uk Disclaimer: caveat internettor -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 23 20:57:12 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156679 for opro ; Tue, 23 Oct 101 20:57:09 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1003856133:10:11522:61; Tue, 23 Oct 2001 16:55:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1010997; 23 Oct 2001 16:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f9NGvex18873 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 23 Oct 2001 17:57:40 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from imailg3.svr.pol.co.uk (imailg3.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.181]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9NGvcN18870 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2001 17:57:38 +0100 Received: from modem-59.xenon.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.45.59] helo=orchard-way) by imailg3.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 15w4p8-0005pR-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 23 Oct 2001 17:54:42 +0100 Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 17:54:28 +0100 From: Alan Adams To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Pamphlet printing and scaling Message-ID: References: <156635@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <156635@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10 (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <156635@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > The thing that I always fancy doing is having one sheet of A4 > printed sideways in an A5 pamphlet for a double page spread. I suspect > that is possible with the current program and a suitably complex > imposition script. Please, pretty please... It's such a pain having to leave two blank pages and use a separate document for the spread. It also means you cannot flow text into the centre spread. -- Alan Adams alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 23 20:57:15 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156680 for opro ; Tue, 23 Oct 101 20:57:12 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1003857033:20:17933:61; Tue, 23 Oct 2001 17:10:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2121506; 23 Oct 2001 17:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f9NHBvP18976 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 23 Oct 2001 18:11:57 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9NHBtN18973 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2001 18:11:55 +0100 Received: from necpwa.demon.co.uk ([158.152.217.190] helo=tinypc) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15w52v-000Knw-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 23 Oct 2001 17:08:57 +0000 Message-ID: <000701c15be4$dae69460$23800001@tinypc> From: "Tony Simons" To: References: <156635@pilling.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: Pamphlet printing and scaling Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 18:05:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > > The thing that I always fancy doing is having one sheet of A4 > > printed sideways in an A5 pamphlet for a double page spread. I suspect > > that is possible with the current program and a suitably complex > > imposition script. > > Please, pretty please... > > It's such a pain having to leave two blank pages and use a separate document > for the spread. It also means you cannot flow text into the centre spread. > > > -- > Alan Adams > alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk > http://www.nckc.org.uk/ Pretty, pretty please as well -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 23 20:57:18 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156682 for opro ; Tue, 23 Oct 101 20:57:17 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1003859021:20:22846:63; Tue, 23 Oct 2001 17:43:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2022708; 23 Oct 2001 17:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f9NHjqc19143 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 23 Oct 2001 18:45:52 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from host1.kbnet.co.uk (host1.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9NHjoN19140 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2001 18:45:50 +0100 Received: from kbnet.co.uk (host213-1-6-117.webport-cl2-hg3.ilford.mdip.bt.net [213.1.6.117]) by host1.kbnet.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA07121 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2001 18:35:14 +0100 Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 18:44:04 +0100 From: Mike Williams To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Pamphlet printing and scaling Message-ID: <3ac110ce4a.akalat@akalat.kbnet.co.uk> References: <156635@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Akalat Publishing User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/3.60) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message you wrote: > In message <156635@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > > > The thing that I always fancy doing is having one sheet of A4 > > printed sideways in an A5 pamphlet for a double page spread. I suspect > > that is possible with the current program and a suitably complex > > imposition script. > > Please, pretty please... > > It's such a pain having to leave two blank pages and use a separate document > for the spread. It also means you cannot flow text into the centre spread. > > A better solution is for the software to treat two facing pages as a single surface for the purpose of positioning frames and artwork (as happens on other platforms). Mike Williams Akalat Publishing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 24 01:07:48 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156686 for opro ; Wed, 24 Oct 101 01:07:45 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1003866865:10:22847:61; Tue, 23 Oct 2001 19:54:25 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1022749; 23 Oct 2001 19:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f9NJujr19450 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 23 Oct 2001 20:56:45 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9NJuhN19447 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2001 20:56:43 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15w7cP-0000ak-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 23 Oct 2001 19:53:45 +0000 Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 17:45:28 GMT Message-Id: <156676@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: RE: Pamphlet printing and scaling X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I spent quite a few hours writing an imposition script about eighteen months >back which worked in every respect except that it didn't do the varietal >scaling, and I did suggest it to you then, honest! See why I'm so wary of saying anything... Go on then tell us what your script would do? David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 24 01:07:56 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156689 for opro ; Wed, 24 Oct 101 01:07:54 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1003879715:20:06678:61; Tue, 23 Oct 2001 23:28:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2106171; 23 Oct 2001 23:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f9NNUiY19766 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 24 Oct 2001 00:30:44 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from snowy.kiwilink.co.nz (snowy.kiwilink.co.nz [202.27.215.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9NNUeN19763 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2001 00:30:41 +0100 Received: from timk.ns.planet.gen.nz (ppp-49.kiwilink.co.nz [202.27.215.115]) by snowy.kiwilink.co.nz (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id f9NNROx01508 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2001 12:27:24 +1300 (NZDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tim King To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 12:27:30 +1300 Subject: Re: Pamphlet printing and scaling Message-ID: <4ace303288tim@de-sig.co.nz> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article , David Graddol wrote: > James Aldridge wrote: >> What I'd like to be able to do (although I don't suppose that it's >> likely to happen) is to be able to import a (single page) >> OvationPro document into a frame in another document and have the >> original document scaled accordingly... >> > This is just about possible (and this may also be a work around for > the single page scaling problem). Print the page you want to a > postscript file. Render that in RiScript, and export as a Draw file. > You now have a draw file which can be resized at will inside a frame > in another document. If you're going to ps the 2nd doc, is there any reason you go the Draw way, David? Usually I eps the 1st output with Ghostscript, thinking the fewer conversions the better. Mijas Software wrote: > I find it annoying that there seems to be no reliable way of > converting Postscript obtained as above to EPS. Do you know one? See above. But what I hadn't realized is that !OEPS doesn't require an eps - straight ps output from !Printers works fine! Although the Help file doesn't explicitly say so, a close reading throws up: "If you have a PostScript printer the EPS applet will let you do neat tricks like printing an OvationPro document to a file using the PostScript printer driver and then loading that file as a picture in another document." Tim -- Tim King... de-Sign. +64 9 478.3114 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 24 14:02:35 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156711 for opro ; Wed, 24 Oct 101 14:01:25 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1003926897:20:09312:63; Wed, 24 Oct 2001 12:34:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2009074; 24 Oct 2001 12:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f9OCaKJ21282 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 24 Oct 2001 13:36:21 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from he001war.vianw.net (he001war.uk.vianw.net [195.102.249.208]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9OCaHN21279 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2001 13:36:17 +0100 Received: from [194.119.179.59] (helo=Caslon.english.co.uk) by he001war.vianw.net with smtp (Exim 3.22 #5) id 15wNBf-0007Xm-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 24 Oct 2001 13:31:11 +0100 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Wed, 24 Oct 2001 13:25:29 +0100 Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 13:26:59 +0100 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Pamphlet printing and scaling Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4ace303288tim@de-sig.co.nz> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: POPstar/2.02 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Tim King wrote: > In article , > David Graddol wrote: > > James Aldridge wrote: > > >> What I'd like to be able to do (although I don't suppose that it's > >> likely to happen) is to be able to import a (single page) > >> OvationPro document into a frame in another document and have the > >> original document scaled accordingly... > >> > > > > This is just about possible (and this may also be a work around for > > the single page scaling problem). Print the page you want to a > > postscript file. Render that in RiScript, and export as a Draw file. > > You now have a draw file which can be resized at will inside a frame > > in another document. > > If you're going to ps the 2nd doc, is there any reason you go the Draw > way, David? Usually I eps the 1st output with Ghostscript, thinking > the fewer conversions the better. > > Mijas Software wrote: > > I find it annoying that there seems to be no reliable way of > > converting Postscript obtained as above to EPS. Do you know one? > > See above. > > But what I hadn't realized is that !OEPS doesn't require an eps - > straight ps output from !Printers works fine! Although the Help file > doesn't explicitly say so, a close reading throws up: "If you have a > PostScript printer the EPS applet will let you do neat tricks like > printing an OvationPro document to a file using the PostScript printer > driver and then loading that file as a picture in another document." > I guess the main advantage of the !Draw route is that it shows the contents on the page (I don't think GScript eps contains a preview does it?) and that the resultant document can also be printed on a non ps printer (eps objects are, as far as I know, just passed on as raw postscript to the printer driver). When I go the eps route I tend to swap the file over to the PC, create a PDF using distiller, and then save as eps from that. I then get an eps file with a lo res bitmap preview which I can drop into OvPro. David David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 24 15:03:43 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156723 for opro ; Wed, 24 Oct 101 15:03:40 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1003930304:20:26166:85; Wed, 24 Oct 2001 13:31:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2026187; 24 Oct 2001 13:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f9ODXPK21642 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 24 Oct 2001 14:33:25 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from altrade.nijmegen.inter.nl.net (altrade.nijmegen.internl.net [217.149.192.18]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9ODXMN21639 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2001 14:33:22 +0100 Received: from padua by altrade.nijmegen.inter.nl.net via 1Cust154.tnt29.rtm1.nl.uu.net [213.116.152.154] with SMTP for id PAA25861 (8.8.8/1.3); Wed, 24 Oct 2001 15:30:11 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <002301c15c90$0b13d660$4d01a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: "Ovation Pro" References: <4ace303288tim@de-sig.co.nz> Subject: Re: Pamphlet printing and scaling Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 14:57:35 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 24 Oct, Tim King wrote: > Mijas Software wrote: > > I find it annoying that there seems to be no reliable way of > > converting Postscript obtained as above to EPS. Do you know one? > > See above. > > But what I hadn't realized is that !OEPS doesn't require an eps - > straight ps output from !Printers works fine! Although the Help file > doesn't explicitly say so, a close reading throws up: "If you have a > PostScript printer the EPS applet will let you do neat tricks like > printing an OvationPro document to a file using the PostScript printer > driver and then loading that file as a picture in another document." > Tim, thank you very, very much for your reply! This works extremely well. To have "one page" scaled, it only needs one picture frame with the wished measurements, that can be printed to PostScript again. This frame can be skewed etc, but the OEPS is grey ... This PostScript file can be rendered in !RiScript Pro to see the result. However it displays an error. This is due to the last lines of the (imported) PostScript file. Loading the PostScript file in a text editor, removing the lines after %% PDriverPS Epilogue and save it directly in a picture frame in Ovatio Pro, cures this problem. More over, with PostScript files"without-lines-after %% PDriverPS Epilogue", it is also possible to have several picture frames with several "to-PostScript-printed" pages on ONE page. A PS print out from such a page can be rendered in RiScript Pro without a problem (or again -removed from the last lines- imported in a picture frame in another OvP doc ... etc. etc.). I have tried this with pages containing bitmaps, vector graphics and a lot (12) different usual and unusual fonts. The latter also didn't cause a problem. I have to say, that I tried with these fonts loaded. More thanks of course to David Pilling: The OEPS applet is really great! As far as I can see, I can have anything, that can be printed to PostScript also at any scale less than the pagesize of the document in an Ovation Pro doc. Fonts included !!! Combined with !RiScript Pro, I also can see what is actually on the page. mrs. Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 24 15:04:25 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156725 for opro ; Wed, 24 Oct 101 15:04:23 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1003928503:10:09831:66; Wed, 24 Oct 2001 13:01:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1008918; 24 Oct 2001 13:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f9OD3w521446 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 24 Oct 2001 14:03:58 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (mta06-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.46]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9OD3tN21443 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2001 14:03:55 +0100 Received: from gwen ([213.104.162.167]) by mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20011024130048.FIFA23419.mta06-svc.ntlworld.com@gwen> for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2001 14:00:48 +0100 From: "Nick Kaijaks" To: Subject: RE: RE: Pamphlet printing and scaling Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 13:57:22 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 In-Reply-To: <156676@pilling.demon.co.uk> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I and then David Pilling wrote: > >I spent quite a few hours writing an imposition script about > eighteen months > >back which worked in every respect except that it didn't do the varietal > >scaling, and I did suggest it to you then, honest! > > See why I'm so wary of saying anything... So when are you releasing the PC version of OPro? ;-) > Go on then tell us what your script would do? Ah, good question - like I say it was a while back (backpedals furiously) - I wonder if I kept it... What I was aiming for was to be able to lay up posters/leaflets at different scales. I'd design to A3, and then the script would impose the following onto an SRA2 sheet: - one at 100% (A3 finished size) - one at 71% (A4 finished size) - two A5s at 50% (2 A5s finished size) All I ended up with was four overlapping pages of the same size, so I gave up ;-) Cheers, Nick -- Dr Nick Kaijaks, Pinxit Design - Information Design for Internet and print http://www.kaijaks.co.uk/ mailto:nick@kaijaks.co.uk Disclaimer: caveat internettor -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 24 18:36:23 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156731 for opro ; Wed, 24 Oct 101 18:36:17 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1003932204:10:20012:72; Wed, 24 Oct 2001 14:03:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1017063; 24 Oct 2001 14:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f9OE3fd21868 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 24 Oct 2001 15:03:41 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.173]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9NH5gN18951 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2001 18:05:42 +0100 Received: from modem-3.finasteride.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.94.131] helo=beeston12) by cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 15w4wv-0005qQ-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 23 Oct 2001 18:02:46 +0100 Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 17:33:53 +0100 From: Robin Phillips To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Help with printing larger than A4 sheets, please Message-ID: <4e54ace4a%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> X-Organization: home X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.68 User-Agent: POPstar/2.03 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Dear colleagues, I wonder if you could help with a problem. I have read p.164 of the manual (the introduction to chapter 12, basic printing) but cannot find any further guidance. I use a printer BJ-200ex which takes A4 paper. I want to design a small poster and then print it on LARGER paper, for example printing on A3 from a design originally made in OvPro as if for A4. Ideally I want this to come out of the printer on 2 A4 sheets, 1 being for the top half of a "portrait" page, the other for the bottom half. Secondly, I need to make a poster for a very odd size. The total area of the display frame is 630mm wide 897mm high. I do not know if this size has any name, but I notice the lengths of the sides are 3 times the length of an A4 page. Fortunately I only need to do a heading to go across the top part of this area, shall we say 3 A4 sheets portrait side by side. Any suggestions will be very welcome! Thanks in advance, Robin. -- Robin Phillips, 1, Newcastle Avenue, Beeston, Notts., NG9 1BT; Phone: +44 (0)115 922 4930 E-mail: rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 24 18:36:24 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156730 for opro ; Wed, 24 Oct 101 18:35:55 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1003933658:20:04782:60; Wed, 24 Oct 2001 14:27:38 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2004507; 24 Oct 2001 14:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f9OETOH22085 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 24 Oct 2001 15:29:24 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from net.wau.nl (NET.WAU.NL [137.224.10.12]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9OETLN22081 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2001 15:29:21 +0100 Received: from riscpc (sottens-17.s210.WAU.NL [137.224.210.17]) by net.WAU.NL (PMDF V5.2-32 #45292) with SMTP id <0GLP004OWS3PE5@net.WAU.NL> for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 24 Oct 2001 16:26:13 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 16:24:37 +0100 From: "Steven M. Ottens" Subject: Re: Help with printing larger than A4 sheets, please In-reply-to: <4e54ace4a%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-id: X-Organization: Uni MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 References: <4e54ace4a%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <4e54ace4a%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> Robin Phillips wrote: > Dear colleagues, > > I wonder if you could help with a problem. I have read p.164 of the manual > (the introduction to chapter 12, basic printing) but cannot find any > further guidance. > > I use a printer BJ-200ex which takes A4 paper. I want to design a small > poster and then print it on LARGER paper, for example printing on A3 from a > design originally made in OvPro as if for A4. Ideally I want this to come > out of the printer on 2 A4 sheets, 1 being for the top half of a "portrait" > page, the other for the bottom half. This could be done. It is actually quite easy, design the page using a masterpage of A3 format. Than you should have the imposition applet, if you don't have it download it from the applet page on the OvP site. You can then choose from the print menu: Tile. But be aware, you should say that the output page are landscape A4s and you should consider that there's a printermarge, don't know how to come around there. > > Secondly, I need to make a poster for a very odd size. The total area of the > display frame is 630mm wide 897mm high. I do not know if this size has any > name, but I notice the lengths of the sides are 3 times the length of an A4 > page. Fortunately I only need to do a heading to go across the top part of > this area, shall we say 3 A4 sheets portrait side by side. Any suggestions > will be very welcome! > Same principle basicly, fill in the size of the page in the page setup window and print using the tile function. This should work, but it might be smart to play around first with low res black white images before spending a lot of ink on a wrong printout Good luck Steven Ottens -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 24 21:35:20 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156737 for opro ; Wed, 24 Oct 101 21:34:58 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1003944888:20:29268:60; Wed, 24 Oct 2001 17:34:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2121626; 24 Oct 2001 17:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f9OHa4D22891 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 24 Oct 2001 18:36:04 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9OHa2N22888 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2001 18:36:02 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15wRtL-000HQt-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 24 Oct 2001 17:32:52 +0000 Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 15:05:11 GMT Message-Id: <156728@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: RE: RE: Pamphlet printing and scaling X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >So when are you releasing the PC version of OPro? Funny you should say that. I have had a serious go at porting my wimp library to Windows in recent months, this is the code that Ovation Pro and David Pilling's scanning software sit on top of. I've now got David Pilling's scanning software running on Windows. I expect I could get Ovation Pro running in a week. Clearly sorting out all the fine detail would take a lot longer. For the moment I'm polishing the library code, but one day soon the port of Ovation Pro will happen. David Pilling's scanning software runs faster on my 450 P2, faster than PC software doing the same jobs too which is very worrying. Thats compared with an Acorn SA RISC PC, probably the comparison with a Kinetic RISC PC would be less favourable to the PC given that memory bandwidth matters for such tasks. >What I was aiming for was to be able to lay up posters/leaflets at different >scales. I'd design to A3, and then the script would impose the following >onto an SRA2 sheet: Thats neat. Presumeably all you'd then need is another program to design the layout in. gets us back to an imposition editor. I'll have a look at the scaling thing. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 25 01:45:18 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156744 for opro ; Thu, 25 Oct 101 01:45:16 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1003956192:20:17217:66; Wed, 24 Oct 2001 20:43:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2017087; 24 Oct 2001 20:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f9OKjj523513 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 24 Oct 2001 21:45:45 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from snowy.kiwilink.co.nz (snowy.kiwilink.co.nz [202.27.215.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9OKjeN23510 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2001 21:45:41 +0100 Received: from timk.ns.planet.gen.nz (ppp-27.kiwilink.co.nz [202.27.215.93]) by snowy.kiwilink.co.nz (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id f9OKgIx04246 for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2001 09:42:18 +1300 (NZDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tim King To: "Ovation Pro" Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 09:42:18 +1300 Subject: Re: Pamphlet printing and scaling Message-ID: <4acea4e883tim@de-sig.co.nz> In-Reply-To: <002301c15c90$0b13d660$4d01a8c0@padua> References: <4ace303288tim@de-sig.co.nz> <002301c15c90$0b User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <002301c15c90$0b13d660$4d01a8c0@padua>, Tonnie Demarteau wrote: > This PostScript file can be rendered in !RiScript Pro to see the > result. However it displays an error. This is due to the last lines > of the (imported) PostScript file. > Loading the PostScript file in a text editor, removing the lines > after %% PDriverPS Epilogue and save it directly in a picture frame > in Ovatio Pro, cures this problem. Ahhhhh. 1st time I tried it I got those errrors - but GS coughed as well. Mucked around a bit more (as you do) & it worked fine. Don't know what I did or didn't do... BTW, what do those 2 lines mean? David Graddol wrote: > I guess the main advantage of the !Draw route is that it shows the > contents on the page (I don't think GScript eps contains a preview > does it?) Yes it does, using ps2epsi. But it must be in some kind of 1 bit funny format. I can't recognize anything in the code. Here are the 1st few lines of the preview bitmap... % 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000007fff01fffff07fe3fc000 05ff80843fcff800ffcfe0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000003e % 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000007fff81ffdff07ffffc000 09ffcc847f87fc007fdfe00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000026 Ring any bells? OEPS looks for a TIFF I think - or something that can be processed by ChangeFSI. Guess there's a question here for Graham Jones. Tim -- Tim King... de-Sign. +64 9 478.3114 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 25 13:27:51 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156761 for opro ; Thu, 25 Oct 101 13:27:35 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1003976554:11:09822:60; Thu, 25 Oct 2001 02:22:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1109768; 25 Oct 2001 2:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f9P2OYp24134 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 25 Oct 2001 03:24:34 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9P2OUN24131 for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2001 03:24:31 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15wa8y-000AGA-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 25 Oct 2001 02:21:16 +0000 Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 02:02:32 GMT Message-Id: <156751@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Fill Tool printing problem X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Roger Penniceard writes... Hi David, You may remember this problem which was discussed on the Ovation Pro mail list. If I created a colour fill with the intensities of the colours less than 100% they printed out a muddy black on my BJC-7100 with the photodesk printer driver. I thought you might be interested in Chris Hornby's response: "I can see what is causing this, there is an alpha (mask) channel created which can be seen in Photodesk. This must have been created as a 32 bit sprite with some irrelevant data in the key channel. In other words an incorrectly assembled CMYK sprite". I saw Chris at the show and he said he could not test what was going on because he did not at present have the latest version of OP. However he did comment that the fact that other printers print it correctly does not prove anything because they are RGB printers whereas the photodesk printer driver is using CMYK. I am not sure I understand all this but it may make sense to you. Roger. and David Pillings reply... Thats fascinating. It has the ring of truth to it. I don't think it is totally correct because OPro will not be rendering a CMYK sprite. It will be rendering an RGB sprite. ISTR that Photodesk have some clever trick where they rely on all 32 bits of sprites being passed through RISC OS unadulterated. This lets them get CMYK printing out of an RGB system. Anyway there's some amusement here, they blame me, I blame them... I've just had a look at some of the code. I wonder, the colours in the fill, are they defined as RGB or CMYK? My suspicion is that if they are defined as RGB it might work. I think that OP is rendering RGB but is filling the odd 8 bits with junk. Attached is a new version of the fill applet which may fix things? David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 26 03:24:07 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156787 for opro ; Fri, 26 Oct 101 03:24:04 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1004041818:11:00615:60; Thu, 25 Oct 2001 20:30:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1100131; 25 Oct 2001 20:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f9PKUbC25599 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 25 Oct 2001 21:30:37 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9PKUYN25596 for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2001 21:30:34 +0100 Received: from [62.188.154.41] (helo=62.188.154.41) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 15wqwg-0001ej-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 25 Oct 2001 21:17:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Roger Foden) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 17:14:05 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.31 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Re: Pamphlet printing and scaling Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 23 Oct 2001 (17:54:28 +0100), alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk wrote: > In message <156635@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > > > The thing that I always fancy doing is having one sheet of A4 > > printed sideways in an A5 pamphlet for a double page spread. I > suspect > > that is possible with the current program and a suitably complex > > imposition script. > > It's such a pain having to leave two blank pages and use a separate > document for the spread. It also means you cannot flow text into the > centre spread. > For text flow around the centre spread: Surely all you have to do is have two documents: one with the text, an A5 (or finished A5 size) with the centre spread shape blocked out with blank frames; the other is an A4 with the centre spread. Print the first, then put the centre spread sheet back through the printer and print the centre spread document. Registration might need a little tweaking. . . Regards Roger -- ___ n_ Roger & Jacki Foden \ ) (^o\. /^\ http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/roger.foden/ | | /_ / |___| roger.foden@argonet.co.uk / \/ \/ \_ _/ jacki.foden@argonet.co.uk __\__\___|o_____//_______ Walking or Botanising in Greece? sarpcsarpcsarpcsarpcsarpc Marengo Publications -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 26 03:24:30 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156794 for opro ; Fri, 26 Oct 101 03:24:19 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1004054865:10:11355:60; Fri, 26 Oct 2001 00:07:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1104192; 26 Oct 2001 0:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f9Q0AQQ25945 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 26 Oct 2001 01:10:26 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.148]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9Q0ANN25942 for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2001 01:10:23 +0100 Received: from onetel.net.uk (async163-2.nas.onetel.net.uk [212.67.98.163]) by msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AAZ72907; Fri, 26 Oct 2001 01:06:44 +0100 (BST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Roger Penniceard To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 01:08:25 +0100 Subject: Re: Fill Tool printing problem Message-ID: <4acf3b9d81rogersps@onetel.net.uk> In-Reply-To: <156751@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <156751@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03a (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <156751@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > I've just had a look at some of the code. I wonder, the colours in > the fill, are they defined as RGB or CMYK? My suspicion is that if > they are defined as RGB it might work. I think that OP is rendering > RGB but is filling the odd 8 bits with junk. > Attached is a new version of the fill applet which may fix things? Well done David it now works perfectly with my BJC-7100 with the Spacetech driver. Roger. -- ||||| ||| ||| ||||| Roger Penniceard ||||| |||| ||||| rogersps@onetel.net.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Oct 27 13:51:50 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156838 for opro ; Sat, 27 Oct 101 13:51:44 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1004145506:20:22727:61; Sat, 27 Oct 2001 01:18:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2022266; 27 Oct 2001 1:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f9R1HHK27594 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 27 Oct 2001 02:17:17 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from red.csi.cam.ac.uk (exim@red.csi.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.70]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9Q8clN26466 for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2001 09:38:47 +0100 Received: from threetrees.corpus.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.235.153]) by red.csi.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 15x2SQ-0006wN-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 26 Oct 2001 09:35:14 +0100 Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 09:28:06 +0100 From: Derek Marshall To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Help with printing larger than A4 sheets, please Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4e54ace4a%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.68 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro This reminds me... When I've printed one-to-many tilings from OvPro (in this case a large photo printed over several sheets), there seems to be a mismatch of about 5mm in the vertical printing. Along vertical page edges the trimmed sheets butt up fine, but along the horizontal ones I sometimes have to print a thin strip to fill the gap where one sheet prints starting about 5mm from the end of the previous one. I'm using the Photodesk BJC-7100 drivers, RO4, Printers 1.64a, Imposit 1.03, OP2.66 (though I haven't done this task for a short while so this may be a later version). Ideas? The gap seems to be constant whichever paper size I use. Derek -- Derek Marshall derek@twintrees.demon.co.uk http://go.to/threetrees -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 30 18:29:07 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156864 for opro ; Tue, 30 Oct 101 18:29:03 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1004307308:20:26276:60; Sun, 28 Oct 2001 22:15:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2102981; 28 Oct 2001 22:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f9SMGD131136 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 28 Oct 2001 22:16:13 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.171]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9SMGBN31133 for ; Sun, 28 Oct 2001 22:16:11 GMT Received: from modem-91.lithium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.2.91] helo=orchard-way) by cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 15xy9x-0005c3-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 28 Oct 2001 22:12:02 +0000 Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 22:18:24 +0100 From: Alan Adams To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Pamphlet printing and scaling Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10 (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: > On Tue 23 Oct 2001 (17:54:28 +0100), alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk > wrote: > > In message <156635@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > > > > > > The thing that I always fancy doing is having one sheet of A4 > > > printed sideways in an A5 pamphlet for a double page spread. I > > suspect > > > that is possible with the current program and a suitably complex > > > imposition script. > > > > It's such a pain having to leave two blank pages and use a separate > > document for the spread. It also means you cannot flow text into the > > centre spread. > > > For text flow around the centre spread: Surely all you have to do is have two > documents: one with the text, an A5 (or finished A5 size) with the centre > spread shape blocked out with blank frames; the other is an A4 with the centre > spread. > Print the first, then put the centre spread sheet back through the printer and > print the centre spread document. > > Registration might need a little tweaking. . . I said it was a pain. Anyway, last month the centre spread was professionally printed - it might be a little difficult to persuade a printer to run the paper twice, and I'm sure it will cost a lot to have him overlay the impositions, if it's even possible. It's more likely to be possible editing the postscript. Not a job for the fainthearted, i.e. me. Thanks for the idea anyway. Ideas are always useful. > > Regards > Roger -- Alan Adams alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 30 18:29:41 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156874 for opro ; Tue, 30 Oct 101 18:29:38 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1004346802:20:20198:62; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 09:13:22 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2112144; 29 Oct 2001 9:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f9T93eX31987 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 09:03:40 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from he001war.vianw.net (he001war.uk.vianw.net [195.102.249.208]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9T93aN31979 for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 09:03:36 GMT Received: from [194.119.179.59] (helo=Caslon.english.co.uk) by he001war.vianw.net with smtp (Exim 3.22 #5) id 15y8EV-0006e1-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 08:57:23 +0000 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 09:41:48 +0100 Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 08:43:25 +0100 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Pamphlet printing and scaling Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: POPstar/2.02 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Alan Adams wrote: > In message you wrote: > > > On Tue 23 Oct 2001 (17:54:28 +0100), alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk > > wrote: > > > In message <156635@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > > > > > > > > > The thing that I always fancy doing is having one sheet of A4 > > > > printed sideways in an A5 pamphlet for a double page spread. I > > > suspect > > > > that is possible with the current program and a suitably complex > > > > imposition script. > > > > > > It's such a pain having to leave two blank pages and use a separate > > > document for the spread. It also means you cannot flow text into the > > > centre spread. > > > > > For text flow around the centre spread: Surely all you have to do is have two > > documents: one with the text, an A5 (or finished A5 size) with the centre > > spread shape blocked out with blank frames; the other is an A4 with the centre > > spread. > > Print the first, then put the centre spread sheet back through the printer and > > print the centre spread document. > > > > Registration might need a little tweaking. . . > > I said it was a pain. Anyway, last month the centre spread was > professionally printed - it might be a little difficult to persuade a > printer to run the paper twice, and I'm sure it will cost a lot to have him > overlay the impositions, if it's even possible. > The problem really needs a general solution which would allow the layout of any double page spreads in a publication, not just the centre fold. Imagine viewing the pages in double-page mode and being able to drag a single frame across the two pages. It would be a great facility but I don't know how margins/imposition would interact with it. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 30 18:30:21 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156891 for opro ; Tue, 30 Oct 101 18:30:16 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1004381277:20:02651:64; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 18:47:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2002516; 29 Oct 2001 18:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f9TIovi00830 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 18:50:57 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from dragon.actrix.co.nz (dragon.actrix.co.nz [203.96.26.131]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9TIorN00827 for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 18:50:54 GMT Received: from zed.actrix.co.nz (ak-d22.connections.net.nz [202.154.128.22]) by dragon.actrix.co.nz (Postfix) with SMTP id 891CE12CB for ; Tue, 30 Oct 2001 07:46:05 +1300 (NZDT) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 07:40:09 +0100 (BST) From: David Love Subject: Re: Tickets and stubs ... numbering ... To: OvationPro User Group In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 29 Oct, Pete Bready wrote: > > In message > David Love wrote: > > each frame I inserted a frame for the stub number and one for the ticket > > number. I then linked the frames forward and took the link from the > > last frame to the first. > > > > Now, have I to type every number in twice or can someone on the list > > point out my error and, in simple words <'cos I' no techie> tell me how > > to achieve what I want to do > > > > TIA > > > > David > > > IIRC, I had the same issue some time ago, and generated a text file from > Basic using > *Spool numbers > FOR I%=1TO500:PRINT I%,I%:NEXT > *SPOOL > > and then dragged the file NUMBERS (probably had to change its filetype to > text) to your doc - and bingo! Thanks Pete, But somehow it doesn't allow me to have two numbers, both the same, on each ticket - one for the stub and the other for the ticket itself. David -- Money often costs too much -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 30 18:30:28 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156894 for opro ; Tue, 30 Oct 101 18:30:26 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1004384115:20:24870:60; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 19:35:15 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2128858; 29 Oct 2001 19:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f9TJcix01118 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 19:38:44 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.worldonline.com (mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.worldonline.com [212.74.112.72]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9TJcfN01115 for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 19:38:41 GMT Received: from ppp-4-231.5800-12.access.uk.worldonline.com ([62.64.186.231] helo=thosechurchills.screaming.net) by mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.worldonline.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #3) id 15yIAx-0002Wt-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 19:34:24 +0000 Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 19:13:42 GMT From: M P Churchill To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Tickets and stubs ... numbering ... Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: > Hi! > > I've been asked by a local club to produce some raffle tickets for them, > numbered from 1 - 500. No problem designing the ticket in Artworks, > dropping them onto an OvationPro document containing 12 frames. Upon > each frame I inserted a frame for the stub number and one for the ticket > number. I then linked the frames forward and took the link from the > last frame to the first. > > Ah! I thought, it's going to be pretty onerous if I have to enter all > the numbers manually. I seemed to recall that this was possible with > an applet, so I looked at the Applets "Sequencer" and "Unique" but > I've had no success with them. Doubtless I'm doing something > incorrectly. > > Now, have I to type every number in twice or can someone on the list > point out my error and, in simple words <'cos I' no techie> tell me how > to achieve what I want to do > Why not generate the numbers in a spreadsheet, save as csv file and then do a mailmerge? Malcolm -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 30 18:30:35 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156896 for opro ; Tue, 30 Oct 101 18:30:32 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1004386752:20:18848:63; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 20:19:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2017290; 29 Oct 2001 20:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f9TKLwa01295 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 20:21:58 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (mta06-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.46]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9TKLtN01292 for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 20:21:55 GMT Received: from RiscPC ([62.255.159.29]) by mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20011029201740.CCWZ13652.mta06-svc.ntlworld.com@RiscPC> for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 20:17:40 +0000 Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 20:18:36 GMT From: Pete Bready To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Tickets and stubs ... numbering ... Message-ID: <21eb35d14a.pbready@ntlworld.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.24) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: > On Mon 29 Oct, Pete Bready wrote: > > > > In message > > David Love wrote: > > > > > each frame I inserted a frame for the stub number and one for the > > > ticket number. I then linked the frames forward and took the link from > > > the last frame to the first. > > > > > > > > Now, have I to type every number in twice or can someone on the list > > > point out my error and, in simple words <'cos I' no techie> tell me how > > > to achieve what I want to do > > > > > > TIA > > > > > > David > > > > > IIRC, I had the same issue some time ago, and generated a text file from > > Basic using *Spool numbers FOR I%=1TO500:PRINT I%,I%:NEXT *SPOOL > > > > and then dragged the file NUMBERS (probably had to change its filetype to > > text) to your doc - and bingo! > > Thanks Pete, But somehow it doesn't allow me to have two numbers, both the > same, on each ticket - one for the stub and the other for the ticket > itself. > > David > If I infer correctly from what you're saying, try PRINT I%:PRINTI% to get a newline between each pair of numbers to see if that helps. If you want, post me the file privately and I'll have a look. Cheers -- Pete Bready pbready@ntlworld.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 30 18:31:02 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156907 for opro ; Tue, 30 Oct 101 18:30:59 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1004331817:10:12893:60; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 05:03:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1108532; 29 Oct 2001 5:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f9T55q331595 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 05:05:52 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from creative.actrix.co.nz (creative.actrix.co.nz [203.96.26.135]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9T55lN31592 for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 05:05:48 GMT Received: from zed.actrix.co.nz (ak-d168.connections.net.nz [202.154.128.168]) by creative.actrix.co.nz (Postfix) with SMTP id E7FB8B8B for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 17:59:54 +1300 (NZDT) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 15:47:02 +0100 (BST) From: David Love Subject: Tickets and stubs ... numbering ... To: OvationPro User Group Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi! I've been asked by a local club to produce some raffle tickets for them, numbered from 1 - 500. No problem designing the ticket in Artworks, dropping them onto an OvationPro document containing 12 frames. Upon each frame I inserted a frame for the stub number and one for the ticket number. I then linked the frames forward and took the link from the last frame to the first. Ah! I thought, it's going to be pretty onerous if I have to enter all the numbers manually. I seemed to recall that this was possible with an applet, so I looked at the Applets "Sequencer" and "Unique" but I've had no success with them. Doubtless I'm doing something incorrectly. Now, have I to type every number in twice or can someone on the list point out my error and, in simple words <'cos I' no techie> tell me how to achieve what I want to do TIA David -- Microsoft is not the answer. Microsoft is the question. No is the answer -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 30 18:31:15 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156910 for opro ; Tue, 30 Oct 101 18:31:13 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1004392914:20:21679:70; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 22:01:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2021616; 29 Oct 2001 22:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f9TM5mQ01745 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 22:05:48 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9TM5iN01742 for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 22:05:44 GMT Received: from [62.188.151.241] (helo=62.188.151.241) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 15yKJs-00032k-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 21:51:47 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Mijas Software) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 18:49:06 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.31 for RISC OS 4.24 Subject: Re: Pamphlet printing and scaling Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 29 Oct 2001 (08:43:25 +0100), david@english.co.uk wrote: > The problem really needs a general solution which would allow > the layout of any double page spreads in a publication, not just > the centre fold. Imagine viewing the pages in double-page mode > and being able to drag a single frame across the two pages. Here are two ways of adding full page centrefolds. First Option 1) Print the whole document as a pamphlet, with blanks as required in the centrefold, to file using a Postscript printer. 2) Using !Riscript create draw files of each side of every sheet. 3) In !Draw add the centrefold material. 4) Create a new Ovation document with a master frame with zero margins which will contain the sheets created above and drop in the sheets. 5) Print in Normal mode - using whatever duplex facility you require. Second Option. 1) Create frames in the centre pages with no central margin. Drop the same (two page) graphic into both frames and adjust until the centrefold edges match to give a full graphic. This does work, Ovation has very accurate placement. The graphic could be created in Ovation in landscape mode and then transformed into a !Draw file using !Riscript as above. General Working through !Riscript and !Draw does not compromise the resolution of the document as would a solution involving conversion to Sprites. It has the added advantage that the file sizes are smaller. Warning Some earlier versions of !Riscript failed with some fonts, giving misplaced letters when converted to !Draw. The latest upgrade is much better. John -- ___ _ __ ___________________________________________ |\/| | | |_| (_ / Scientific/Education/Utilities - RISC OS 4 | | | _| | | __) Software / email: mijassw@argonet.co.uk - Developer ____________________________/ web: http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/mijassw/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 30 18:31:20 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156913 for opro ; Tue, 30 Oct 101 18:31:18 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1004341121:10:26942:60; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 07:38:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1026834; 29 Oct 2001 7:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f9T7g7X31801 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 07:42:07 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (mta06-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.46]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9T7g5N31798 for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 07:42:05 GMT Received: from RiscPC ([62.255.159.29]) by mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20011029073756.IOCU13652.mta06-svc.ntlworld.com@RiscPC> for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 07:37:56 +0000 Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 07:38:47 GMT From: Pete Bready To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Tickets and stubs ... numbering ... Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.24) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message David Love wrote: > Hi! > > I've been asked by a local club to produce some raffle tickets for them, > numbered from 1 - 500. No problem designing the ticket in Artworks, > dropping them onto an OvationPro document containing 12 frames. Upon > each frame I inserted a frame for the stub number and one for the ticket > number. I then linked the frames forward and took the link from the > last frame to the first. > > Ah! I thought, it's going to be pretty onerous if I have to enter all > the numbers manually. I seemed to recall that this was possible with > an applet, so I looked at the Applets "Sequencer" and "Unique" but > I've had no success with them. Doubtless I'm doing something > incorrectly. > > Now, have I to type every number in twice or can someone on the list > point out my error and, in simple words <'cos I' no techie> tell me how > to achieve what I want to do > > TIA > > David > IIRC, I had the same issue some time ago, and generated a text file from Basic using *Spool numbers FOR I%=1TO500:PRINT I%,I%:NEXT *SPOOL and then dragged the file NUMBERS (probably had to change its filetype to text) to your doc - and bingo! Cheers -- Pete Bready pbready@ntlworld.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 30 18:31:23 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156915 for opro ; Tue, 30 Oct 101 18:31:22 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1004349710:10:27031:60; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 10:01:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1129932; 29 Oct 2001 10:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f9T9pNT32087 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 09:51:23 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.149]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9T9pKN32084 for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 09:51:20 GMT Received: from onetel.net.uk (async30-5.nas.onetel.net.uk [212.67.101.30]) by msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AAY88387; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 09:47:06 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Barry E Allen To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 09:33:22 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Tickets and stubs ... numbering ... Message-ID: <4ad0fad85ebarry@e-allen.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Pete Bready wrote: > In message David > Love wrote: > > Hi! > > > > I've been asked by a local club to produce some raffle tickets for > > them, numbered from 1 - 500. > > I then linked the frames forward and took the link from the last > > frame to the first. > > > > can someone on the list point out my error and, in simple words > > <'cos I' no techie> tell me how to achieve what I want to do > > > IIRC, I had the same issue some time ago, and generated a text file > from Basic using *Spool numbers FOR I%=1TO500:PRINT I%,I%:NEXT *SPOOL > and then dragged the file NUMBERS (probably had to change its > filetype to text) to your doc - and bingo! In similar vein, I use a spreadsheet* to replicate the numbers down a column, save as text and then drop them into the frame. * I use Pipedream. I just put 'row' in the first row and then replicate down as far as I need. -- Barry A. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 30 18:31:28 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156918 for opro ; Tue, 30 Oct 101 18:31:26 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1004398550:20:03661:63; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 23:35:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2003277; 29 Oct 2001 23:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f9TNcoK02147 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 23:38:50 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net ([212.159.14.225]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id f9TNcmN02144 for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 23:38:48 GMT Received: (qmail 22810 invoked from network); 29 Oct 2001 23:34:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (212.159.22.141) by murphy.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 29 Oct 2001 23:34:13 -0000 Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 21:14:59 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: Tickets and stubs ... numbering ... To: OvationPro User Group In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Tue 30 Oct, David Love wrote: > On Mon 29 Oct, Barry E Allen wrote: > > > > Pete Bready wrote: > > > In message David > > > Love wrote: > > > > > > Hi! > > > > > > > > I've been asked by a local club to produce some raffle tickets for > > > > them, numbered from 1 - 500. > > > > > > I then linked the frames forward and took the link from the last > > > > frame to the first. > > > > > > > > can someone on the list point out my error and, in simple words > > > > <'cos I' no techie> tell me how to achieve what I want to do > > > > > > > > > IIRC, I had the same issue some time ago, and generated a text file > > > from Basic using *Spool numbers FOR I%=1TO500:PRINT I%,I%:NEXT *SPOOL > > > > > and then dragged the file NUMBERS (probably had to change its > > > filetype to text) to your doc - and bingo! > > > > In similar vein, I use a spreadsheet* to replicate the numbers down a > > column, save as text and then drop them into the frame. > > > > * I use Pipedream. I just put 'row' in the first row and then replicate > > down as far as I need. > > Thanks Barry. I use Eureka and it was simplicity itself to create the > series and save as a text file and worked as you said it would, other > than that I get the sequential numbers, as expected, but the one number > for the stub and the next for the ticket, i.e. The first ticket stub has > "1" and the ticket body "2". Whereas I need two of each number. I can > find no way, in Eureka to generate two numbers both the same. Any > ideas? How about not linking the two frames to each other, just back on themselves, and dropping your text file into each one in turn to generate the sequence for the stub and ticket. Another idea to use the frames as you have linked them would be use your spreadsheet and generate the sequence in 2 columns, export as text and replace the column separator with a return so you get: 1 1 2 2 ... ... 499 499 500 500 Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 30 18:31:44 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156925 for opro ; Tue, 30 Oct 101 18:31:42 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1004381374:10:23392:62; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 18:49:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1022869; 29 Oct 2001 18:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f9TIp2q00834 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 18:51:02 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from dragon.actrix.co.nz (dragon.actrix.co.nz [203.96.26.131]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9TIowN00831 for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 18:50:58 GMT Received: from zed.actrix.co.nz (ak-d22.connections.net.nz [202.154.128.22]) by dragon.actrix.co.nz (Postfix) with SMTP id 1D285106D for ; Tue, 30 Oct 2001 07:45:42 +1300 (NZDT) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 07:44:06 +0100 (BST) From: David Love Subject: Re: Tickets and stubs ... numbering ... To: OvationPro User Group In-Reply-To: <4ad0fad85ebarry@e-allen.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 29 Oct, Barry E Allen wrote: > > Pete Bready wrote: > > In message David > > Love wrote: > > > > Hi! > > > > > > I've been asked by a local club to produce some raffle tickets for > > > them, numbered from 1 - 500. > > > > I then linked the frames forward and took the link from the last > > > frame to the first. > > > > > > can someone on the list point out my error and, in simple words > > > <'cos I' no techie> tell me how to achieve what I want to do > > > > > > IIRC, I had the same issue some time ago, and generated a text file > > from Basic using *Spool numbers FOR I%=1TO500:PRINT I%,I%:NEXT *SPOOL > > > and then dragged the file NUMBERS (probably had to change its > > filetype to text) to your doc - and bingo! > > In similar vein, I use a spreadsheet* to replicate the numbers down a > column, save as text and then drop them into the frame. > > * I use Pipedream. I just put 'row' in the first row and then replicate > down as far as I need. Thanks Barry. I use Eureka and it was simplicity itself to create the series and save as a text file and worked as you said it would, other than that I get the sequential numbers, as expected, but the one number for the stub and the next for the ticket, i.e. The first ticket stub has "1" and the ticket body "2". Whereas I need two of each number. I can find no way, in Eureka to generate two numbers both the same. Any ideas? David -- Money often costs too much -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 30 18:31:57 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156931 for opro ; Tue, 30 Oct 101 18:31:53 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1004383877:10:29475:60; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 19:31:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1102671; 29 Oct 2001 19:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f9TJYkb01098 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 19:34:46 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (mta03-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.43]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9TJYhN01095 for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 19:34:43 GMT Received: from gwen ([213.104.164.158]) by mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20011029193027.RQE16128.mta03-svc.ntlworld.com@gwen> for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 19:30:27 +0000 From: "Nick Kaijaks" To: Subject: RE: Pamphlet printing and scaling Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 19:26:57 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R > In conversation with David Pilling, I wrote: >>> I spent quite a few hours writing an imposition script >>> about eighteen months back which worked in every respect >>> except that it didn't do the varietal scaling, and I >>> did suggest it to you then, honest! >> >> Go on then tell us what your script would do? > > Ah, good question - like I say it was a while back (backpedals > furiously) - > I wonder if I kept it... > > What I was aiming for was to be able to lay up posters/leaflets > at different scales. I'd design to A3, and then the script > would impose the following onto an SRA2 sheet: Forgive me replying to my own message - I've checked back and I do still have a version of the script, dating from 1998! What I wrote on 28 September that year was: I've had a couple of ideas for Ovation Pro, of the sort that make you think 'wouldn't it be handy if...': In Imposit, create a new version of paperpage() - paperpagescaled() say - which allows scaling. I could really use this to create imposition formats with multiple sizes laid up on a single sheet (eg. A3, A4 and 2 A5s on a single SRA2 sheet). For posters and the like this would save a lot of press-time, film and therefore money. You could then just read paperxscale() and paperyscale() and apply a scale() to it. Any other !Imposit scripters out there got any comments? Cheers, Nick -- Dr Nick Kaijaks, Pinxit Design - Information Design for Internet and print http://www.kaijaks.co.uk/ mailto:nick@kaijaks.co.uk Disclaimer: caveat internettor -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 30 18:32:00 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156934 for opro ; Tue, 30 Oct 101 18:31:58 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1004385498:11:10388:60; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 19:58:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1002825; 29 Oct 2001 19:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f9TK1rY01165 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 20:01:53 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from carbon.larknet.co.uk (churchill.larknet.co.uk [212.1.130.26]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id f9TK1oN01162 for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 20:01:50 GMT Received: (qmail 22121 invoked from network); 29 Oct 2001 19:23:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO laptop) (212.134.230.64) by churchill.larknet.co.uk with SMTP; 29 Oct 2001 19:23:55 -0000 From: "Henry Morgan" To: Subject: RE: Tickets and stubs ... numbering ... Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 19:59:06 -0000 Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > From: > [mailto:owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk]On Behalf Of David Love > Sent: 30 October 2001 06:40 > On Mon 29 Oct, Pete Bready wrote: > > > > In message > > David Love wrote: > > > > > each frame I inserted a frame for the stub number and > one for the ticket > > > number. I then linked the frames forward and took the > link from the > > > last frame to the first. > > > > > > > > Now, have I to type every number in twice or can > someone on the list > > > point out my error and, in simple words <'cos I' no > techie> tell me how > > > to achieve what I want to do [snip] > > IIRC, I had the same issue some time ago, and generated a > text file from > > Basic using > > *Spool numbers > > FOR I%=1TO500:PRINT I%,I%:NEXT > > *SPOOL > > > > and then dragged the file NUMBERS (probably had to change > its filetype to > > text) to your doc - and bingo! > > Thanks Pete, But somehow it doesn't allow me to have two > numbers, both > the same, on each ticket - one for the stub and the other > for the ticket > itself. > *Spool numbers FOR I%=1TO500 PRINT I% PRINT I% NEXT *SPOOL Will put the two numbers of different lines, which will do what you want? Henry. -- Henry Morgan mailto:henry.morgan@ic.ac.uk http://www.doc.ic.ac.uk/~ham98/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 30 18:32:03 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156936 for opro ; Tue, 30 Oct 101 18:32:01 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1004386233:10:06082:60; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 20:10:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1114273; 29 Oct 2001 20:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f9TKEGD01272 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 20:14:16 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9TKEEN01269 for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 20:14:14 GMT Received: from [62.188.135.180] (helo=nika500) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 15yIa4-00070O-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 20:00:20 +0000 Message-ID: <001b01c160b6$c1dbb3c0$0301fea9@nika500> From: "bl69" To: Subject: Printer Problems Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 20:11:16 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0017_01C160B5.DD7A2040" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C160B5.DD7A2040 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Have just upgraded my printer to an Epson 980 and discovered that I = can't print my OP docs any more. My previous 680 driver doesn't work with the 980. Any advice on which = driver to use would be welcome. P Cloke ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C160B5.DD7A2040 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Have just upgraded my printer to an = Epson 980 and=20 discovered that I can't print my OP docs any more.
 
My previous 680 driver doesn't work = with the 980.=20 Any advice on which driver to use would be welcome.
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C160B5.DD7A2040-- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 30 18:32:05 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156937 for opro ; Tue, 30 Oct 101 18:32:03 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1004462567:20:27220:67; Tue, 30 Oct 2001 17:22:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2111747; 30 Oct 2001 17:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f9UHPKT03856 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 30 Oct 2001 17:25:20 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from creative.actrix.co.nz (creative.actrix.co.nz [203.96.26.135]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9UHPAN03853 for ; Tue, 30 Oct 2001 17:25:15 GMT Received: from zed.actrix.co.nz (ak-d3.connections.net.nz [202.154.128.3]) by creative.actrix.co.nz (Postfix) with SMTP id 527C3A6B for ; Wed, 31 Oct 2001 06:16:57 +1300 (NZDT) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 21:07:40 +0100 (BST) From: David Love Subject: Re: Tickets and stubs ... numbering To: OvationPro User Group Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi! Thank you to John at Mijas Software, Malcolm Churchill, Henry Morgan, Anthony Hilton, Pete Bready, Ian Melville, Bob Ansell, and Keith Hopper for suggesting solutions to the problem I presented. I will work through all of them and then choose the most convenient one. I would hazard a guess - no, I'm certain that on no other platform would such a request be answered so promptly. Regards David -- Manners are the happy way of doing things -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 30 18:32:09 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156939 for opro ; Tue, 30 Oct 101 18:32:08 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1004392940:10:07791:61; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 22:02:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1007644; 29 Oct 2001 22:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f9TM5au01740 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 22:05:36 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9TM5XN01737 for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 22:05:33 GMT Received: from [62.188.151.241] (helo=62.188.151.241) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 15yKJl-00032k-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 21:51:38 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Mijas Software) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 18:10:42 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.31 for RISC OS 4.24 Subject: Re: Tickets and stubs ... numbering ... Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 29 Oct 2001 (15:47:02 +0100), zed@actrix.co.nz wrote: > I've been asked by a local club to produce some raffle tickets for > them, numbered from 1 - 500. I would suggest that you change the tickets to 10 per page all entered onto the MASTER sheet. Then you can give each ticket on the sheet the number 0 to 9 and precede it with the page number. Then you cause Ovation to create as many pages as you need and you will have the numbered tickes you need. It is however a good idea to start the page number at (say) 100 so that there are always 3 digits. PLEASE make sure that you remember the last number you print - then if they want any more there is no confusion!!!!! John -- ___ _ __ ___________________________________________ |\/| | | |_| (_ / Scientific/Education/Utilities - RISC OS 4 | | | _| | | __) Software / email: mijassw@argonet.co.uk - Developer ____________________________/ web: http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/mijassw/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 30 18:32:14 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156941 for opro ; Tue, 30 Oct 101 18:32:13 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1004397426:10:26236:61; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 23:17:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1123230; 29 Oct 2001 23:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f9TNJX802001 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 23:19:33 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from fep3-orange.clear.net.nz (fep3-orange.clear.net.nz [203.97.32.3]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9TNJTN01998 for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 23:19:29 GMT Received: from ijm.clear.net.nz (203-167-156-223.dialup.clear.net.nz [203.167.156.223]) by fep3-orange.clear.net.nz (1.5/1.8) w Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 12:12:42 +1300 (BST) From: Ian J Melville Subject: Re: Tickets and stubs ... numbering ... To: OvationPro User Group In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 30 Oct, David Love wrote: > > On Mon 29 Oct, Pete Bready wrote: > > > > In message > > David Love wrote: > > > > > each frame I inserted a frame for the stub number and one for the ticket > > > number. I then linked the frames forward and took the link from the > > > last frame to the first. > > > > > > > > Now, have I to type every number in twice or can someone on the list > > > point out my error and, in simple words <'cos I' no techie> tell me how > > > to achieve what I want to do > > > > > > TIA > > > > > > David > > > > > IIRC, I had the same issue some time ago, and generated a text file from > > Basic using > > *Spool numbers > > FOR I%=1TO500:PRINT I%,I%:NEXT > > *SPOOL > > > > and then dragged the file NUMBERS (probably had to change its filetype to > > text) to your doc - and bingo! > > Thanks Pete, But somehow it doesn't allow me to have two numbers, both > the same, on each ticket - one for the stub and the other for the ticket > itself. > > David I had occasion to print tickets with the same number on opposite corners some time ago. A similar idea to yours. I seem to remember that David Pilling came up with a brilliant suggestion using a CSV file and "mail merge". I cannot remember whether I used the same CSV file twice or used two copies of the same CSV file with different names. :-( I generated the CSV file in a spread sheet. It worked very well. > -- Ian J. Melville RD 1 Ph/Fax +64-0-9-433-2225 Tangiteroria 0351 Cell +64-0-21-635-845 Aotearoa/New Zealand email ijm@clear.net.nz Webpage http://www.ianmelville.orcon.net.nz _____________________________________________________________________________ Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on society. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 30 18:32:25 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156944 for opro ; Tue, 30 Oct 101 18:32:23 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1004400365:10:00139:60; Tue, 30 Oct 2001 00:06:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1113340; 30 Oct 2001 0:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f9U08gn02283 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 30 Oct 2001 00:08:42 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from aquarius.realingenuity.net ([213.165.154.155]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9U08eN02280 for ; Tue, 30 Oct 2001 00:08:40 GMT Received: from realingenuity.net (th-gt149-042.pool.dircon.co.uk [195.157.34.42]) by aquarius.realingenuity.net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id f9U01j402338 for ; Tue, 30 Oct 2001 00:01:45 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Bob Ansell To: OvationPro User Group Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 00:03:38 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Tickets and stubs ... numbering ... Message-ID: <4ad14a8530bob.ansell@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.02d (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id f9U08go02283 Status: R In article , Anthony Hilton wrote: > How about not linking the two frames to each other, just back on themse= lves, > and dropping your text file into each one in turn to generate the seque= nce > for the stub and ticket. > Another idea to use the frames as you have linked them would be use you= r > spreadsheet and generate the sequence in 2 columns, export as text and > replace the column separator with a return so you get: > 1 > 1 > 2 > 2 > ... > ... > 499 > 499 > 500 > 500 > =20 > Anthony Hilton I did the same to generate number cards. It is easier with Eureka to simp= ly set up a formula thus: A1 =3D1 A2 =3D1 A3 =3Da1+1 A4=A0=3DA2+1 Then copy down for 1000 cells, save as a text file drop it into the first frame. --=20 Bob Ansell Bob.Ansell@Argonet.co.uk Bob.Ansell@EdWeb.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 30 23:16:25 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA157001 for opro ; Tue, 30 Oct 101 23:16:22 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1004476397:20:17349:60; Tue, 30 Oct 2001 21:13:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2116636; 30 Oct 2001 21:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f9ULH7T04369 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 30 Oct 2001 21:17:07 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9ULH4N04366 for ; Tue, 30 Oct 2001 21:17:05 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15ygBU-000LCT-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 30 Oct 2001 21:12:33 +0000 Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 19:11:33 GMT Message-Id: <156962@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Tickets and stubs ... numbering ... X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Interestingly the Ovation Pro manual has a tutorial on printing bingo tickets and raffle tickets... (in the mail merge stuff and if you don't have 2.60 in the mail merge documentation on the OPro web pages) David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 31 02:46:57 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA157008 for opro ; Wed, 31 Oct 101 02:46:56 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1004480092:20:10778:61; Tue, 30 Oct 2001 22:14:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2009111; 30 Oct 2001 22:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f9UMHR804583 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 30 Oct 2001 22:17:27 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.149]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9TKw8N01428 for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 20:58:08 GMT Received: from onetel.net.uk (async182-11.nas.onetel.net.uk [212.67.107.182]) by msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AAZ23333; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 20:53:48 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Barry Allen (ml)" To: OvationPro User Group Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 20:51:51 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Tickets and stubs ... numbering ... Message-ID: <4ad138f679barryml@e-allen.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro David Love wrote: > On Mon 29 Oct, Pete Bready wrote: > > > > In message David > > Love wrote: > > > IIRC, I had the same issue some time ago, and generated a text file > > from Basic using *Spool numbers FOR I%=1TO500:PRINT I%,I%:NEXT > > *SPOOL > > > > and then dragged the file NUMBERS (probably had to change its > > filetype to text) to your doc - and bingo! > Thanks Pete, But somehow it doesn't allow me to have two numbers, > both the same, on each ticket - one for the stub and the other for > the ticket itself. Can't you have two sets of linked frames? Just drop the numbers in twice on each set of frames. -- Barry A. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 31 02:47:00 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA157009 for opro ; Wed, 31 Oct 101 02:46:58 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1004480114:20:11172:60; Tue, 30 Oct 2001 22:15:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2008984; 30 Oct 2001 22:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f9UMHkV04589 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 30 Oct 2001 22:17:46 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9UMHiN04586 for ; Tue, 30 Oct 2001 22:17:44 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15yh8C-000ARk-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 30 Oct 2001 22:13:12 +0000 Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 23:06:11 GMT Message-Id: <156994@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Pamphlet printing and scaling X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro One of those sad little footnotes... If you look into the OPro templates, the object ones have a hidden button 'spread'. The idea was that if this was selected the object would spread across pages. So another idea that we (or I) never got around to finishing. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 31 15:52:22 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA157026 for opro ; Wed, 31 Oct 101 15:52:21 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1004509805:10:03101:63; Wed, 31 Oct 2001 06:30:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1116505; 31 Oct 2001 6:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f9V6VtO05350 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 31 Oct 2001 06:31:55 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from dragon.actrix.co.nz (dragon.actrix.co.nz [203.96.26.131]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9V6VlN05347 for ; Wed, 31 Oct 2001 06:31:52 GMT Received: from zed.actrix.co.nz (ak-d57.connections.net.nz [202.154.128.57]) by dragon.actrix.co.nz (Postfix) with SMTP id 77E45175F for ; Wed, 31 Oct 2001 19:27:02 +1300 (NZDT) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 19:25:12 +0100 (BST) From: David Love Subject: Re: Tickets and stubs ... numbering ... To: OvationPro User Group In-Reply-To: <156962@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Tue 30 Oct, David Pilling wrote: > > Interestingly the Ovation Pro manual has a tutorial on printing > bingo tickets and raffle tickets... Thank you David. I'll have a look. David -- Money often costs too much -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message