From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 4 13:22:43 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA155964 for opro ; Thu, 04 Oct 101 13:22:41 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1002191558:20:19770:78; Thu, 04 Oct 2001 10:32:38 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2019618; 4 Oct 2001 10:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f94AoH018683 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 4 Oct 2001 11:50:17 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.148]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f94AoDp18680 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2001 11:50:14 +0100 Received: from onetel.net.uk (async74-19.nas.onetel.net.uk [212.67.115.74]) by msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AAO66396; Thu, 4 Oct 2001 11:28:53 +0100 (BST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Roger Penniceard To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 11:30:13 +0100 Subject: Re: Fill Tool printing problem. Message-ID: <4ac42026e2rogersps@onetel.net.uk> In-Reply-To: <155899@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <155899@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03a (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <155899@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > I also think the first thing I'd do is try a standard driver on the > same print job e.g. SPrinter. > If SPrinter fails then its practically certain the problem is OP, and > the converse is also true. SPrinter works and the resulting Sprite produces the same problem when printed from Paint, so it looks like it is the Spacetech Printer Driver that is the problem and OP is off the hook. Interestingly when the Sprite is printed from inside Impression it prints perfectly??? Roger -- ||||| ||| ||| ||||| Roger Penniceard ||||| |||| ||||| rogersps@onetel.net.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 4 17:56:19 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA155974 for opro ; Thu, 04 Oct 101 17:56:15 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1002203684:10:12048:62; Thu, 04 Oct 2001 13:54:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1011551; 4 Oct 2001 13:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f94EDL119007 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 4 Oct 2001 15:13:21 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f94EDIp19004 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2001 15:13:19 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15p8us-0003JB-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 4 Oct 2001 13:51:58 +0000 Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 13:24:23 GMT Message-Id: <155968@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Fill Tool printing problem. X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Interestingly when the Sprite is printed from inside Impression it prints perfectly??? For printing the key test is Draw. Impression has too many oddities like CC's own rendering modules for sprites. There is a lot of scope for non-standard results when printing sprites. I wonder what the bit depth of the sprite was? David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 4 19:19:52 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA155980 for opro ; Thu, 04 Oct 101 19:19:49 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1002216088:20:23666:67; Thu, 04 Oct 2001 17:21:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2023539; 4 Oct 2001 17:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f94HfZq19457 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 4 Oct 2001 18:41:35 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from cmailg7.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg7.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.177]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f94HfWp19454 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2001 18:41:32 +0100 Received: from modem-34.ununnilium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.75.34] helo=beeston12) by cmailg7.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 15pCAJ-00055G-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 04 Oct 2001 18:20:07 +0100 Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 18:17:47 +0100 From: Robin Phillips To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Printing at right angles Message-ID: <407745c44a%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> X-Organization: home X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.68 User-Agent: POPstar/2.03 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Dear colleagues, I have been studying the manual and have not as yet managed to work out how to do this job: I have set up a master page with header and footer, which are turned off on page 1 but should print elsewhere. In the first 4 pages I am putting text which is normally oriented, i.e. the lines of text are horizontal across the pages, which are in portrait mode, printed in Pamphlet format. I need on pages 5-10 to insert a text which should print with the lines parallel to the gutter. I want the usual header and footer already defined to print on these pages too. How do I get the text to run "vertically" up the pages? I have tried defining a frame to suit, but am not sure how to turn the text 90degrees inside it. I have looked at the chapter dialogue, but it does not at first seem to be the appropriate method. I guess the answer is simple, but what??? Yours sincerely, Robin. -- Robin Phillips, 1, Newcastle Avenue, Beeston, Notts., NG9 1BT; Phone: +44 (0)115 922 4930 E-mail: rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 5 01:25:44 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA155986 for opro ; Fri, 05 Oct 101 01:25:41 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1002227134:20:14556:63; Thu, 04 Oct 2001 20:25:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2107896; 4 Oct 2001 20:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f94KkRO19809 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 4 Oct 2001 21:46:27 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from obelix.spectraweb.ch (obelix.plusnet.ch [194.158.230.8]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f94KkOp19806 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2001 21:46:24 +0100 Received: from janvredenburchsmile.ch (abo-mu-2-1-dialup-226.spectraweb.ch [194.230.203.226]) by obelix.spectraweb.ch (8.11.2/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with SMTP id f94KOsB11061 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2001 22:24:54 +0200 Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 22:22:25 +0200 (BST) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: Printing at right angles To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <407745c44a%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: CIC member; Secretariaat St. Van Vredenburch X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 04 Oct, Robin Phillips wrote: snip some > I need on pages 5-10 to insert a text which should print with the lines > parallel to the gutter. I want the usual header and footer already defined > to print on these pages too. How do I get the text to run "vertically" up > the pages? I have tried defining a frame to suit, but am not sure how to > turn the text 90degrees inside it. Create a small text frame, rotate that to 90 degrees. Then resize this frame to fit within the page outlines and the gutter. Copy this frame to the other half of your page and then onto the following pages (taking it that you initially have a 2-column page, as you do mention a 'gutter'). Now whenever you type text in these frames it will start from bottom left and go upwards and wrap at the end i.e at the top of your page. If needed you can link these frames for automatic text flow. On alternate pages you might try to rotate at *minus* 90 degrees. This might give you the possibility to read 2 printed pages sideways without turning the document (in non-pamphlet mode). Regards, JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch, CH - 6006 Luzern **new email address** >From 29/06/2001 email: janvredenburch@smile.ch .. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 5 01:25:48 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA155989 for opro ; Fri, 05 Oct 101 01:25:45 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1002227491:20:23695:60; Thu, 04 Oct 2001 20:31:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2115400; 4 Oct 2001 20:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f94Kpwx19853 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 4 Oct 2001 21:51:58 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from dino.intonet.co.uk (root@dino.intonet.co.uk [62.190.40.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f94Kptp19850 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2001 21:51:55 +0100 Received: from marteng.intonet.co.uk (user145.intonet.co.uk [62.190.40.77]) by dino.intonet.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA02105 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2001 21:30:26 +0100 (BST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Marten Gallagher To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 21:24:45 +0100 Subject: Re: Printing at right angles Message-ID: <4ac4569528marten@annerykiln.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <407745c44a%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> References: <407745c44a%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro [Snip] > How do I get the text to run > "vertically" up the pages? I have tried defining a frame to suit, but > am not sure how to turn the text 90degrees inside it. Set up the frame. Type in the text. Highlight the frame. Menu>Object>Modify - Writeable Icon Angle: adjust to 90 or 270 degrees. Should do it. HTH Slainte -- Marten Gallagher - marten@annerykiln.co.uk http://www.annerykiln.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 5 01:25:52 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA155990 for opro ; Fri, 05 Oct 101 01:25:49 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1002228822:20:27406:61; Thu, 04 Oct 2001 20:53:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2027372; 4 Oct 2001 20:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f94LErK19998 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 4 Oct 2001 22:14:53 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from murphys-outbound.services.quay.plus.net ([212.159.14.225]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id f94LEpp19995 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2001 22:14:51 +0100 Received: (qmail 26608 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2001 20:53:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (212.159.21.51) by murphys with SMTP; 4 Oct 2001 20:53:12 -0000 Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 21:39:53 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: Printing at right angles To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <407745c44a%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Thu 04 Oct, Robin Phillips wrote: > Dear colleagues, > > I have been studying the manual and have not as yet managed to work out how > to do this job: > > I have set up a master page with header and footer, which are turned off on > page 1 but should print elsewhere. In the first 4 pages I am putting text > which is normally oriented, i.e. the lines of text are horizontal across > the pages, which are in portrait mode, printed in Pamphlet format. Make this chapter 1. > I need on pages 5-10 to insert a text which should print with the lines > parallel to the gutter. I want the usual header and footer already defined > to print on these pages too. How do I get the text to run "vertically" up > the pages? I have tried defining a frame to suit, but am not sure how to > turn the text 90degrees inside it. Make this chapter 2. Rotate the frame and the text inside it rotates as you want (90 degrees is an anti-clockwise rotation so gives the effect you want). I would put the rotated frame(s) onto the master page(s) for the chapter and link them so text flows and adds pages within the chapter as needed. You will also need a third chapter to add pages 11-12, even if only to modify the header or footer to contain the wording "This page deliberatley left blank". (See http://www.makingpages.org/pagemaker/humor/hist-blank.html for A History of the Blank Page) > I have looked at the chapter dialogue, but it does not at first seem to be > the appropriate method. I think it is a good option for you - I have described how I would handle this. Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 5 01:26:06 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA155995 for opro ; Fri, 05 Oct 101 01:26:03 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1002233005:20:20714:60; Thu, 04 Oct 2001 22:03:25 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2126569; 4 Oct 2001 22:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f94MNuq20213 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 4 Oct 2001 23:23:56 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from mail3.svr.pol.co.uk (mail3.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.19]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f94MNmp20210 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2001 23:23:53 +0100 Received: from modem-122.amlodipine.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.78.122] helo=orchard-way) by mail3.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 15pGZT-0005GU-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 04 Oct 2001 23:02:24 +0100 Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 22:50:30 +0100 From: Alan Adams To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Printing at right angles Message-ID: <0f6f5ec44a.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> References: <407745c44a%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <407745c44a%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10 (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <407745c44a%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> you wrote: > Dear colleagues, > > I have been studying the manual and have not as yet managed to work out how > to do this job: > > I have set up a master page with header and footer, which are turned off on > page 1 but should print elsewhere. In the first 4 pages I am putting text > which is normally oriented, i.e. the lines of text are horizontal across the > pages, which are in portrait mode, printed in Pamphlet format. > > I need on pages 5-10 to insert a text which should print with the lines > parallel to the gutter. I want the usual header and footer already defined > to print on these pages too. How do I get the text to run "vertically" up > the pages? I have tried defining a frame to suit, but am not sure how to > turn the text 90degrees inside it. > > I have looked at the chapter dialogue, but it does not at first seem to be > the appropriate method. One way to get rotated text (possibly THE way, I wouldn't be sure) is to draw a frame, add text, then rotate the frame, using Object, Modify, Angle. > > I guess the answer is simple, but what??? > > Yours sincerely, Robin. > -- Alan Adams alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 5 01:26:13 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA155996 for opro ; Fri, 05 Oct 101 01:26:07 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1002234703:20:28672:72; Thu, 04 Oct 2001 22:31:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2028140; 4 Oct 2001 22:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f94MesB20297 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 4 Oct 2001 23:40:54 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f94Meqp20294 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2001 23:40:52 +0100 Received: from bigbo.demon.co.uk ([193.237.223.106]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15pGpz-0007dN-0W for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 4 Oct 2001 23:19:27 +0100 Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 23:18:48 +0100 (BST) From: John Bodiam Subject: Re: Printing at right angles To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <407745c44a%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Thu 04 Oct, Robin Phillips wrote: > > Dear colleagues, > > I have been studying the manual and have not as yet managed to work out how > to do this job: > > I have set up a master page with header and footer, which are turned off on > page 1 but should print elsewhere. In the first 4 pages I am putting text > which is normally oriented, i.e. the lines of text are horizontal across the > pages, which are in portrait mode, printed in Pamphlet format. > > I need on pages 5-10 to insert a text which should print with the lines > parallel to the gutter. I want the usual header and footer already defined > to print on these pages too. How do I get the text to run "vertically" up > the pages? I have tried defining a frame to suit, but am not sure how to > turn the text 90degrees inside it. > > I have looked at the chapter dialogue, but it does not at first seem to be > the appropriate method. > > I guess the answer is simple, but what??? > > Yours sincerely, Robin. > Type into the frame, then turn the frame through 90/270 degrees. You could, of course, turn the frame and then type. John -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 5 13:48:13 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156006 for opro ; Fri, 05 Oct 101 13:48:08 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1002248917:10:27312:61; Fri, 05 Oct 2001 02:28:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1027018; 5 Oct 2001 2:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f952mkX20603 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Oct 2001 03:48:46 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f952mhp20600 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2001 03:48:44 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15pKhp-0000uO-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 5 Oct 2001 02:27:17 +0000 Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 01:30:58 GMT Message-Id: <156003@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Printing at right angles X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Make this chapter 2. Rotate the frame and the text inside it rotates as you >Anthony Hilton Thanks for the idea of using more than one chapter, I'd not spotted that. What you do then is set up 3 chapters, for the middle chapter you **open the master pages**, select the main frame, and use the rotate tool to rotate it by 90 degrees, close the master pages. What isn't possible is to take the main frame in the document and rotate it, or make it local and then rotate it. Thats why you need to use chapters. Obviously as ever you can alternatively patch the thing together out of individual frames, but I think the above is the simplest and will give you auto generated headers/footers (assuming you want them). It does of course mean your text won't flow automatically between the three sections. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 9 19:56:56 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156047 for opro ; Tue, 09 Oct 101 19:56:53 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1002389944:20:07058:60; Sat, 06 Oct 2001 17:39:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2114765; 6 Oct 2001 17:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f96Hvq723005 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 6 Oct 2001 18:57:52 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f96Hvnp23002 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2001 18:57:49 +0100 Received: from [62.188.136.169] (helo=62.188.136.169) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 15pvEP-0007Hp-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 06 Oct 2001 18:27:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Rob Hemmings To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2001 18:34:37 +0100 Subject: Imposition with mail merge Message-ID: <4ac54eadd1robh@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R The one thing that I always find difficult about OvationPro is Imposition. I often want to print an A5 document twice (sideways) on a single sheet of A4 and every time I have to work it out again. Perhaps I have a mental block! But today I wanted to do something more difficult and could not work out how - any help would be appreciated. I wanted to print 2 sheets of A5 per sheet of A4 but also use mail merge to put a different name on each A5 sheet. Can this be done? I'm probably missing something simple but I could only get either 2 sheets of A5 with the same name on each sheet of A4 or just one sheet of A5 on each sheet of A4. -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Hemmings Southport Tel: +44 (0)1704 573210 robh@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 9 19:57:06 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156051 for opro ; Tue, 09 Oct 101 19:57:04 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1002400109:10:08980:61; Sat, 06 Oct 2001 20:28:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1008869; 6 Oct 2001 20:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f96Knq623318 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 6 Oct 2001 21:49:52 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from murphys-outbound.services.quay.plus.net ([212.159.14.225]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id f96Knop23315 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2001 21:49:50 +0100 Received: (qmail 22273 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2001 20:27:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (212.159.21.246) by murphys with SMTP; 6 Oct 2001 20:27:46 -0000 Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 21:05:48 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: Printing at right angles To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <156003@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Fri 05 Oct, David Pilling wrote: > > >Make this chapter 2. Rotate the frame and the text inside it rotates as > >you Anthony Hilton > > Thanks for the idea of using more than one chapter, I'd not spotted that. > > What you do then is set up 3 chapters, for the middle chapter you **open > the master pages**, select the main frame, and use the rotate tool to > rotate it by 90 degrees, close the master pages. Which includes the header/footer as part of the master frame. (But I only found that for sure when I tested just now after I read David's response). > What isn't possible is to take the main frame in the document and rotate > it, or make it local and then rotate it. Thats why you need to use > chapters. > > Obviously as ever you can alternatively patch the thing together out of > individual frames, but I think the above is the simplest and will give you > auto generated headers/footers (assuming you want them). It does of course > mean your text won't flow automatically between the three sections. I had assumed the headers and footers werre to be the same orientation on *all* pages, so page numbers (for example) are in the same place in all chapters, so the need for new frames, rotated, on the master pages. Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 9 19:57:26 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156057 for opro ; Tue, 09 Oct 101 19:57:23 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1002472459:10:16342:60; Sun, 07 Oct 2001 16:34:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1119580; 7 Oct 2001 16:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f97Gs7Y24641 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 7 Oct 2001 17:54:07 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from obelix.spectraweb.ch (obelix.plusnet.ch [194.158.230.8]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f97Gs3p24638 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2001 17:54:04 +0100 Received: from janvredenburchsmile.ch (abo-be-1-1-dialup-94.spectraweb.ch [194.230.116.94]) by obelix.spectraweb.ch (8.11.2/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with SMTP id f97GVuM03591 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2001 18:31:56 +0200 Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 18:29:51 +0200 (BST) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: Fill Tool printing problem. To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <4ac42026e2rogersps@onetel.net.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: CIC member; Secretariaat St. Van Vredenburch X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 04 Oct, Roger Penniceard wrote: > > If SPrinter fails then its practically certain the problem is OP, and > > the converse is also true. > > SPrinter works and the resulting Sprite produces the same problem when > printed from Paint, so it looks like it is the Spacetech Printer Driver > that is the problem and OP is off the hook. ......... I tried the same today on a friends printer (BJC620) with no problems %-( > .......... Interestingly when the > Sprite is printed from inside Impression it prints perfectly??? Imported as Sprite? And if you do the same with OvPro (i.e save the Fill frame as a sprite and re-insert it), what happens then? Had no time to try it out, Just came home from 2 days absence. JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch, CH - 6006 Luzern **new email address** >From 29/06/2001 email: janvredenburch@smile.ch .. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 9 19:57:48 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156062 for opro ; Tue, 09 Oct 101 19:57:46 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1002477550:10:17972:60; Sun, 07 Oct 2001 17:59:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1110513; 7 Oct 2001 17:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f97IJaq24856 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 7 Oct 2001 19:19:36 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from smtp-3.mail.griffin.net.uk ([195.166.78.43]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f97IJXp24853 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2001 19:19:33 +0100 Received: from roada.aaugonline.net [217.79.97.132] by smtp-3.mail.griffin.net.uk (SMTPD32-6.05) id A7813A300A2; Sun, 07 Oct 2001 18:57:21 +0100 Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2001 16:09:53 +0100 From: Keith Bamford To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: printer drivers Message-ID: <6943c5c54a.kbamford@ kbamford.eurobell.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I have followed with interest the discussion about printing graduated fills using the fill applet in OP. It set me thinking that I managed this quite well (BW only) when I was using the CC turbo driver and acorn 1.53. I have now abandoned this and am using the acorn 1.64 driver. Unfortunately it gives nothing like the good quality which the CC td gave. I understand from various experts in the field that no one has yet marketed a driver which is as versatile or effective as the CC and yet most people strongly criticise it. How can an expert criticise the CC td and yet have to admit that there is nothing around which will do the same job as effectively? Why cannot someone design a driver which does the same job as well or even better? Like one of the newsgroup contributors I am not interested in the speed aspect of the td, only in the printing quality of the graduated fills and the variability of the dot pattern and lpi and so forth (which was the only reason I bought it originally). Keith -- Keith Bamford kbamford@roada.org.uk why not visit http://www.wyg-roada.org.uk http://www.roada.org.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 9 19:58:12 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156073 for opro ; Tue, 09 Oct 101 19:58:10 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1002565327:11:24223:66; Mon, 08 Oct 2001 18:22:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1014088; 8 Oct 2001 18:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f98Ier614850 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 8 Oct 2001 19:40:53 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from obelix.spectraweb.ch (obelix.plusnet.ch [194.158.230.8]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f98Ieop14847 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2001 19:40:50 +0100 Received: from janvredenburchsmile.ch (abo-mu-2-2-dialup-206.spectraweb.ch [194.230.204.206]) by obelix.spectraweb.ch (8.11.2/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with SMTP id f98III711665 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2001 20:18:29 +0200 Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 20:12:19 +0200 (BST) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: printer drivers To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <6943c5c54a.kbamford@ kbamford.eurobell.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: CIC member; Secretariaat St. Van Vredenburch X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Keith, You said: > I have followed with interest the discussion about printing graduated > fills using the fill applet in OP. > > It set me thinking that I managed this quite well (BW only) when I was > using the CC turbo driver and acorn 1.53. I have now ........... You probably overlooked what I stated. I used, in this specific case, printers1.53 with CC's turbo drivers (as my computer was set up that way a long time ago). It results in smudgy output (and possibly strange effects as a gradual smearing of one colour to another). But then you possibly use another printer, not the BJC7100. Please inform us. But basically the same system elsewhere (I must check details) using a Canon 620 driver gave no problems. This was only a very quick trial, which I must repeat to validate this statement. > ............ I have now abandoned this and > am using the Acorn 1.64 driver. Unfortunately it gives nothing like the > good quality which the CC td gave. Which you use without CC's turbo drivers installed on top of Printers1.64? In that case you can hardly compare the two. As far as I know CC's drivers only function on top of the Acorn (RiscOs?) printer drivers, not on their own. > I understand from various experts in the field that no one has yet > marketed a driver which is as versatile or effective as the CC and yet > most people strongly criticise it. As was already stated some time ago: a pity CC never took the time to further develop their basically brilliant program (or words in similar sense). JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch, CH - 6006 Luzern **new email address** >From 29/06/2001 email: janvredenburch@smile.ch .. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 9 19:58:15 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156074 for opro ; Tue, 09 Oct 101 19:58:13 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1002549288:20:23273:63; Mon, 08 Oct 2001 13:54:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2023123; 8 Oct 2001 13:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f98EEKA14238 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 8 Oct 2001 15:14:20 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f98EEHp14235 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2001 15:14:17 +0100 Received: from narrator.demon.co.uk ([158.152.60.112]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 15qapA-0008FP-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 8 Oct 2001 13:52:05 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by narrator.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Mon, 08 Oct 2001 13:49:08 GMT Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2001 14:49:01 +0100 From: Neill McNeill To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Dynamic Date insertion Message-ID: <1eb241c64a%neill@narrator.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Home/Sensible Software X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.67b Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi there, What would be really useful to me is the ability to insert a character on the master page of a document, rather like the # for page numbering, which would stand for whatever date it is [and time?] when the document is loaded. I know we already have the applet !today but once inserted it becomes static. It would provide useful information about when an undated document is printed. How feasible is this? Or has someone done it already? Regards, Neill McNeill -- | Neill McNeill | Streatham Common|LONDON SW16| |Acorn StrongArm Risc PC OS 3.7|48Mb| |Email:neill@narrator.demon.co.uk| |http://www.narrator.demon.co.uk| |http://www.senssoft.riscos.org.uk| -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 9 19:58:21 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156078 for opro ; Tue, 09 Oct 101 19:58:20 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1002572075:10:20800:66; Mon, 08 Oct 2001 20:14:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1120556; 8 Oct 2001 20:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f98KaBO15064 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 8 Oct 2001 21:36:11 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from warrior-outbound.services.quay.plus.net ([212.159.14.227]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id f98Ka8p15061 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2001 21:36:08 +0100 Received: (qmail 11854 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2001 20:13:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (212.159.20.201) by warrior with SMTP; 8 Oct 2001 20:13:43 -0000 Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 19:17:53 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: RE: Dynamic Date insertion To: "'ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk'" In-Reply-To: <21B2A2008F16D2118E7A00805F8BF7ECA996E5@w12wnxu01.wn.bbc.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Mon 08 Oct, Michael Hunter wrote: > Neill McNeill [SMTP:neill@narrator.demon.co.uk] wrote > > " What would be really useful to me is the ability > > to insert a character on the master page of a > > document, rather like the # for page numbering, > > which would stand for whatever date it is [and time?] > > when the document is loaded. " > > > In the alternative resources site there is a list of hints which includes > this facility and also 'page x of y' > > It is based around the mail merge facility > > Hope this helps The Insert menu includes the option for Active Date. My printed Beebug manual for Opro (2.4x I think) includes it so it is not very new. You may need an applet to include an active time. Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 9 19:58:22 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156076 for opro ; Tue, 09 Oct 101 19:58:16 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1002551404:20:23643:66; Mon, 08 Oct 2001 14:30:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2022703; 8 Oct 2001 14:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f98Ep4r14416 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 8 Oct 2001 15:51:04 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from gateh.thls.bbc.co.uk (gateh.thls.bbc.co.uk [132.185.240.17]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f98Ep2p14413 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2001 15:51:02 +0100 Received: from w1bhxi04.radio.bbc.co.uk ([10.48.8.68]) by gateh.thls.bbc.co.uk (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f98ETpM09162 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2001 15:29:51 +0100 (BST) Received: from w1bhxi01.radio.bbc.co.uk (unverified) by w1bhxi04.radio.bbc.co.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.5) with ESMTP id for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2001 15:28:49 +0100 Message-ID: <21B2A2008F16D2118E7A00805F8BF7ECA996E5@w12wnxu01.wn.bbc.co.uk> From: Michael Hunter To: "'ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk'" Subject: RE: Dynamic Date insertion Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 15:28:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Neill McNeill [SMTP:neill@narrator.demon.co.uk] wrote " What would be really useful to me is the ability > to insert a character on the master page of a > document, rather like the # for page numbering, > which would stand for whatever date it is [and time?] > when the document is loaded. " > In the alternative resources site there is a list of hints which includes this facility and also 'page x of y' It is based around the mail merge facility Hope this helps Michael Michael Hunter This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify me immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the BBC, unless specifically stated. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 9 19:58:32 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156083 for opro ; Tue, 09 Oct 101 19:58:30 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1002607484:10:21513:60; Tue, 09 Oct 2001 06:04:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1021375; 9 Oct 2001 6:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f996Px715964 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 9 Oct 2001 07:25:59 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from sand3.global.net.uk (sand3.global.net.uk [195.147.246.249]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f996Pvp15961 for ; Tue, 9 Oct 2001 07:25:57 +0100 Received: from pb8s06a02.client.global.net.uk ([195.147.150.185] helo=margetts.globalnet.co.uk) by sand3.global.net.uk with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 15qpzJ-0001mH-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 09 Oct 2001 07:03:33 +0100 Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 07:22:04 +0100 (BST) From: Peter Margetts Subject: Re: printer drivers To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <6943c5c54a.kbamford@ kbamford.eurobell.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Sun 07 Oct, Keith Bamford wrote: > snip > > Like one of the newsgroup contributors I am not interested in > the speed aspect of the td, only in the printing quality of the > graduated fills and the variability of the dot pattern and lpi and so > forth (which was the only reason I bought it originally). Interestingly, I had a copy of the CC turbo driver for HP deskjets. It certainly was faster, and more versatile for dot patterns, but when I compared it to the Acorn driver, the quality of the graduated fills was inferior. I remember testing it on the Artworks file of the revolver (Magnum?) This is now sadly lost on a bad hard drive some years ago, but it was a good test of graduations. I wouldn't mind doing the same test again on my CC Laser direct comparing to my Epson Photo 750 Pete -- Pete & Mitzi Margetts An oasis of Kiwi Kulture in the English Desert! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 9 19:58:33 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156084 for opro ; Tue, 09 Oct 101 19:58:31 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1002572830:20:04615:61; Mon, 08 Oct 2001 20:27:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2004371; 8 Oct 2001 20:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f98Kn6Q15167 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 8 Oct 2001 21:49:06 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f98Kn4p15164 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2001 21:49:04 +0100 Received: from [62.188.143.87] (helo=62.188.143.87) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 15qgqb-0004NF-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 08 Oct 2001 21:18:02 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mr R O Davis To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2001 21:26:11 +0100 Subject: Re: Dynamic Date insertion Message-ID: <4ac6660ef5rod@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <1eb241c64a%neill@narrator.demon.co.uk> References: <1eb241c64a%neill@narrator.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02c (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id f98Kn6R15167 In article <1eb241c64a%neill@narrator.demon.co.uk>, Neill McNeill wrote: > Hi there, > What would be really useful to me is the ability > to insert a character on the master page of a > document, rather like the # for page numbering, In a similar vein... is it possible to enter a word (or number) somewhere on a document and for that same word/number to appear elsewhere in the same document. What I want to do is to enter a value of a cheque e.g. =A312.34 at the head of a letter and for that number to appear magically in the body of the letter. --=20 /\ _ \ =20 |=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D| / / / \__\ |=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D| | Rodger Davis | /_/ / / / \ | rod@argonet.co.uk | |=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D| / \_/\_/ /___) |=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D| =20 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 9 19:58:39 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156087 for opro ; Tue, 09 Oct 101 19:58:37 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1002614681:10:09376:63; Tue, 09 Oct 2001 08:04:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1126223; 9 Oct 2001 8:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f998QLR16180 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 9 Oct 2001 09:26:21 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f998QJp16177 for ; Tue, 9 Oct 2001 09:26:19 +0100 Received: from [62.188.156.12] (helo=62.188.156.12) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 15qrjL-0003az-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 09 Oct 2001 08:55:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Adrian John Warrick To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 08:54:12 +0100 Subject: Re: printer drivers Message-ID: <4ac6a50c5bawarrick@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 08 Oct, Peter Margetts wrote: > In on Sun 07 Oct, Keith Bamford wrote: > > > snip > > > > Like one of the newsgroup contributors I am not interested in > > the speed aspect of the td, only in the printing quality of the > > graduated fills and the variability of the dot pattern and lpi and so > > forth (which was the only reason I bought it originally). > Interestingly, I had a copy of the CC turbo driver for HP deskjets. > It certainly was faster, and more versatile for dot patterns, but > when I compared it to the Acorn driver, the quality of the graduated > fills was inferior. I remember testing it on the Artworks file of the > revolver (Magnum?) This is now sadly lost on a bad hard drive some years > ago, but it was a good test of graduations. > I wouldn't mind doing the same test again on my CC Laser direct > comparing to my Epson Photo 750 Two aspects to this as I see it. The Turbo drivers / Laserdirect do cut corners to help increase the speed. I believe certain scaffolding information is ignored. Having said that, I have no problems with the quality my LBP8 and LBP4 produce. (except that they are getting old :-{ ) An Epson Photo 750 should allow 1250 DPI resolution. The Laserdirect Canon units were designed to produce 300x300 dpi and were tweaked by the Laserdirect controller board to produce a pseudo 600 dpi horizontally and were still 300 dpi vertically. All the best Adrian -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ awarrick@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 9 19:58:47 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156092 for opro ; Tue, 09 Oct 101 19:58:46 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1002578825:20:24957:61; Mon, 08 Oct 2001 22:07:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2024730; 8 Oct 2001 22:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f98MRYw15375 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 8 Oct 2001 23:27:34 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.174]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f98MRWp15372 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2001 23:27:32 +0100 Received: from modem-543.alakazam.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.135.13.31] helo=magray.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 15qiWR-0007eE-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 08 Oct 2001 23:05:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2001 18:28:10 +0100 Subject: Re: Dynamic Date insertion Message-ID: <4ac655c271rayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <1eb241c64a%neill@narrator.demon.co.uk> References: <1eb241c64a%neill@narrator.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <1eb241c64a%neill@narrator.demon.co.uk>, Neill McNeill wrote: > What would be really useful to me is the ability > to insert a character on the master page of a > document, rather like the # for page numbering, > which would stand for whatever date it is [and time?] > when the document is loaded. Try Menu...Misc...Insert...Active date I have it set up in my stationery and automatically get todays date when I open a new document. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 020 8864 7208 | the audio and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 9 19:58:54 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156096 for opro ; Tue, 09 Oct 101 19:58:53 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1002618129:20:29554:67; Tue, 09 Oct 2001 09:02:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2029357; 9 Oct 2001 9:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f999N1a16367 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 9 Oct 2001 10:23:01 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from mcvax.org (root@mcvax.org [193.242.82.34]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f999Mwp16364 for ; Tue, 9 Oct 2001 10:22:58 +0100 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=mcvax.org ident=jhma) by mcvax.org with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #6) id 15qske-000Lzo-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 09 Oct 2001 09:00:36 +0000 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Dynamic Date insertion In-Reply-To: Message from Mr R O Davis of "Mon, 08 Oct 2001 21:26:11 +0100." <4ac6660ef5rod@argonet.co.uk> Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 09:00:36 +0000 From: James Aldridge Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Mr R O Davis wrote: > In a similar vein... is it possible to enter a word (or number) > somewhere on a document and for that same word/number to appear > elsewhere in the same document. What I want to do is to enter > a value of a cheque e.g. 12.34 at the head of a letter and for > that number to appear magically in the body of the letter. In another similar vein, is it possible for some arbitrary calculation to be performed when the number next appears (e.g. dividing it by 2.20371). /J -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 9 19:59:06 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156101 for opro ; Tue, 09 Oct 101 19:59:04 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1002627278:20:24483:68; Tue, 09 Oct 2001 11:34:38 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2024534; 9 Oct 2001 11:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f99BtfS16679 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 9 Oct 2001 12:55:41 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from kx1-gui.server.which.net (kx1-gui.server.which.net [194.168.97.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f99Btdp16676 for ; Tue, 9 Oct 2001 12:55:39 +0100 Received: from waddell.which.net ([62.253.76.60]) by kx1-gui.server.which.net (InterMail vK.4.03.02.00 201-232-124 license e70b2acfbd69d84cc925654164bd8fad) with SMTP id <20011009113312.YVWD13918.kx1-gui@waddell.which.net> for ; Tue, 9 Oct 2001 12:33:12 +0100 Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 15:45:11 +0100 (BST) From: John Waddell Subject: Re: Dynamic Date insertion To: Ovation mail list In-Reply-To: <1eb241c64a%neill@narrator.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I use this quite a lot. Misc>Insert>Active date will give you the date. I suppose you could amend the relevant macro to give the time as well? John W On Mon 08 Oct, Neill McNeill wrote: > > Hi there, > > What would be really useful to me is the ability > to insert a character on the master page of a > document, rather like the # for page numbering, > which would stand for whatever date it is [and time?] > when the document is loaded. > > I know we already have the applet !today but once > inserted it becomes static. > > It would provide useful information about when an > undated document is printed. > > How feasible is this? Or has someone done it already? > > Regards, > > Neill McNeill > -- > | Neill McNeill | Streatham Common|LONDON SW16| > |Acorn StrongArm Risc PC OS 3.7|48Mb| > |Email:neill@narrator.demon.co.uk| > |http://www.narrator.demon.co.uk| > |http://www.senssoft.riscos.org.uk| > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message > -- John Waddell, Langbank, Renfrewshire -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 9 19:59:08 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156102 for opro ; Tue, 09 Oct 101 19:59:07 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1002644522:11:13691:63; Tue, 09 Oct 2001 16:22:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1012694; 9 Oct 2001 16:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f99GgA517944 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 9 Oct 2001 17:42:10 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f99Gg7p17941 for ; Tue, 9 Oct 2001 17:42:08 +0100 Received: from narrator.demon.co.uk ([158.152.60.112]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15qzbY-0002BZ-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 9 Oct 2001 16:19:40 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by narrator.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Tue, 09 Oct 2001 06:25:08 GMT Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 07:25:01 +0100 From: Neill McNeill To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Dynamic Date insertion Message-ID: <0e29cc64a%neill@narrator.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4ac655c271rayd@argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: Home/Sensible Software X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.67b Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Brilliant! Thanks for that. Neill McNeill In message <4ac655c271rayd@argonet.co.uk> you wrote: > In article <1eb241c64a%neill@narrator.demon.co.uk>, > Neill McNeill wrote: > > > What would be really useful to me is the ability > > to insert a character on the master page of a > > document, rather like the # for page numbering, > > which would stand for whatever date it is [and time?] > > when the document is loaded. > > Try Menu...Misc...Insert...Active date > > I have it set up in my stationery and automatically get todays date when > I open a new document. > > Cheers, > > Ray D > -- | Neill McNeill | Streatham Common|LONDON SW16| |Acorn StrongArm Risc PC OS 3.7|48Mb| |Email:neill@narrator.demon.co.uk| |http://www.narrator.demon.co.uk| |http://www.senssoft.riscos.org.uk| -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 9 19:59:10 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156103 for opro ; Tue, 09 Oct 101 19:59:08 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1002628676:20:12797:62; Tue, 09 Oct 2001 11:57:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2011261; 9 Oct 2001 11:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f99CIMH16787 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 9 Oct 2001 13:18:22 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.173]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f99CIJp16784 for ; Tue, 9 Oct 2001 13:18:19 +0100 Received: from modem-58.clown-tang.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.249.58] helo=localhost) by cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 15qvUH-00041G-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 09 Oct 2001 12:55:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Simon Jones To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 10:04:15 +0100 Subject: Re: Dynamic Date insertion Message-ID: <4ac6ab7606simon.jones@capelinmedia.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4ac655c271rayd@argonet.co.uk> References: <1eb241c64a%neill@narrator.demon.co.uk> <4ac655c271rayd@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4ac655c271rayd@argonet.co.uk>, Ray Dawson wrote: > In article <1eb241c64a%neill@narrator.demon.co.uk>, > Neill McNeill wrote: > > What would be really useful to me is the ability > > to insert a character on the master page of a > > document, rather like the # for page numbering, > > which would stand for whatever date it is [and time?] > > when the document is loaded. > Try Menu...Misc...Insert...Active date > I have it set up in my stationery and automatically get todays date > when I open a new document. What puzzles me is that the format is fixed in the icon-bar Choices, and doesn't seem to be editable on a per doc basis: occasionally I want dd/mm/yy instead of dd month year: is there a way to achieve this (wish list for 2.67?) Cheers Simon -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 9 19:59:39 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156113 for opro ; Tue, 09 Oct 101 19:59:38 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1002648008:20:16237:61; Tue, 09 Oct 2001 17:20:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2125859; 9 Oct 2001 17:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f99HfoV18158 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 9 Oct 2001 18:41:50 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@[212.67.96.149]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f99Hflp18155 for ; Tue, 9 Oct 2001 18:41:47 +0100 Received: from onetel.net.uk (async209-18.nas.onetel.net.uk [212.67.114.209]) by msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AAN17712; Tue, 9 Oct 2001 18:19:18 +0100 (BST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Roger Penniceard To: OVATIONP-L Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 18:20:39 +0100 Subject: Re: Fill Tool printing problem. Message-ID: <4ac6d8e859rogersps@onetel.net.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4ac42026e2rogersps@onetel.net.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03a (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch wrote: > On Thu 04 Oct, Roger Penniceard wrote: > > > If SPrinter fails then its practically certain the problem is OP, > > > and the converse is also true. > > > > SPrinter works and the resulting Sprite produces the same problem > > when printed from Paint, so it looks like it is the Spacetech > > Printer Driver that is the problem and OP is off the hook. ......... > I tried the same today on a friends printer (BJC620) with no problems > %-( > > .......... Interestingly when the Sprite is printed from inside > > Impression it prints perfectly??? > Imported as Sprite? And if you do the same with OvPro (i.e save the > Fill frame as a sprite and re-insert it), what happens then? It does not print properly. I have sent the information with an example to support@photodesk.ltd but no response yet. Roger. -- ||||| ||| ||| ||||| Roger Penniceard ||||| |||| ||||| rogersps@onetel.net.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 9 22:11:25 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156133 for opro ; Tue, 09 Oct 101 22:11:23 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1002654478:20:03987:68; Tue, 09 Oct 2001 19:07:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2110628; 9 Oct 2001 19:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f99JSkh18396 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 9 Oct 2001 20:28:46 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from mail4.svr.pol.co.uk (mail4.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.211]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f99JScp18393 for ; Tue, 9 Oct 2001 20:28:44 +0100 Received: from modem-117.acyclovir.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.75.245] helo=beeston12) by mail4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 15r2Cg-0006rN-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 09 Oct 2001 20:06:11 +0100 Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 19:56:05 +0100 From: Robin Phillips To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Proof-reading at right-angles !! Message-ID: <8a5e1c64a%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> X-Organization: home X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.68 User-Agent: POPstar/2.03 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Dear colleagues, First let me thank the NUMEROUS folk who helpfully told me how to set up pages with the text at right angles to the normal within a frame of headers, footers, etc. which already has a chapter of text in the normal direction. Very helpful. This is only a SLIGHT problem, but is there a simple way of altering the display so that I can proof-read the resultant pages. without getting z crick in my neck? It happens these pages are accounts in columns with numerous incorrect tabulations! Best wishes, Robin. -- Robin Phillips, 1, Newcastle Avenue, Beeston, Notts., NG9 1BT; Phone: +44 (0)115 922 4930 E-mail: rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 9 22:11:33 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156136 for opro ; Tue, 09 Oct 101 22:11:32 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1002660679:20:04941:61; Tue, 09 Oct 2001 20:51:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2107206; 9 Oct 2001 20:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f99LDGk18563 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 9 Oct 2001 22:13:16 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from warrior-outbound.services.quay.plus.net ([212.159.14.227]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id f99LDDp18560 for ; Tue, 9 Oct 2001 22:13:13 +0100 Received: (qmail 346 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2001 20:50:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (212.159.20.130) by warrior with SMTP; 9 Oct 2001 20:50:34 -0000 Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 21:37:15 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: Proof-reading at right-angles !! To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <8a5e1c64a%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Tue 09 Oct, Robin Phillips wrote: > Dear colleagues, > > First let me thank the NUMEROUS folk who helpfully told me how to set up > pages with the text at right angles to the normal within a frame of > headers, footers, etc. which already has a chapter of text in the normal > direction. Very helpful. > > This is only a SLIGHT problem, but is there a simple way of altering the > display so that I can proof-read the resultant pages. without getting z > crick in my neck? It happens these pages are accounts in columns with > numerous incorrect tabulations! Personally I never trust proof-reading on screen. Better to print it out and give yourself time to check it properly. To proof on screen you might need to proof it in another editor or Opro document before transfering it to the rotated frames. Alternatively you could try making that chapter a landscape chapter and fudge the header/footer angle. *But* I'm not sure how Opro will cope with that for panphlet printing. You probably do need to work a 2-stage process - get the content correct in whatever program is most appropriate (may be Opro as a word processor, a spreadsheet or Tablemate or ...) ignoring layout before putting it all together in Opro for layout. Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 10 02:41:13 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156151 for opro ; Wed, 10 Oct 101 02:41:11 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1002662275:10:09908:61; Tue, 09 Oct 2001 21:17:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1103336; 9 Oct 2001 21:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f99Le5Q18675 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 9 Oct 2001 22:40:05 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f99Le3p18672 for ; Tue, 9 Oct 2001 22:40:03 +0100 Received: from spcap.demon.co.uk ([158.152.73.37]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15r4Fq-0007hZ-0X for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 9 Oct 2001 22:17:34 +0100 Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 22:13:17 +0100 (BST) From: Stephen Parkin Subject: Re: Proof-reading at right-angles !! To: OvationPro list In-Reply-To: <8a5e1c64a%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Home X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Tue 09 Oct, Robin Phillips wrote: > Dear colleagues, > > First let me thank the NUMEROUS folk who helpfully told me how to set up > pages with the text at right angles to the normal within a frame of > headers, footers, etc. which already has a chapter of text in the normal > direction. Very helpful. > > This is only a SLIGHT problem, but is there a simple way of altering the > display so that I can proof-read the resultant pages. without getting z > crick in my neck? It happens these pages are accounts in columns with > numerous incorrect tabulations! Turn your monitor on its side :-) Stephen -- Stephen Parkin -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 10 15:04:02 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156164 for opro ; Wed, 10 Oct 101 15:04:00 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1002719194:20:22278:63; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 13:06:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2022027; 10 Oct 2001 13:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f9AD3Tl24257 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 14:03:29 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from net.wau.nl (NET.WAU.NL [137.224.10.12]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9AD3Rp24254 for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 14:03:27 +0100 Received: from riscpc (sottens-17.s210.WAU.NL [137.224.210.17]) by net.WAU.NL (PMDF V5.2-32 #45292) with SMTP id <0GKZ00LFZQXNOH@net.WAU.NL> for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 15:03:24 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 15:02:02 +0100 From: "Steven M. Ottens" Subject: two rule documents To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-id: <888f4ac74a.steveno@lx.student.wau.nl> X-Organization: Uni MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hello all, I'm currently involved in a songbook with lots of songs and gitarchords. The idea is that i produce a songbook with the songs like this: A C this is the song D C with a lot of words F C# And some of the words A D Get their gitar chord Since it are over 300 pages i hoped there is a simple trick. What i'm looking for is a way to leave space between the sentences and being able to put the chords in that space. Ideal would be that i could select a word and put the chord directly on top of it, since somewords could have multiple chords, i would like to be able to precisly put the chord. Especially the part to add extra space and being able to type there is important to automate, since it's a lot of text i've to parse. I've figured quite a rude way, with 2 frames overlaying and a grid lock so if i type in one frame i get the one line and in the other frame the line above, and leaving the space between. The tough part now is that i can't point and click to add the chords, i've to use lots of spaces and i can't get it exactly where i want them. Ideas are really appreciated Regards Steven -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 10 15:05:18 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156166 for opro ; Wed, 10 Oct 101 15:05:17 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1002677969:10:26722:69; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 01:39:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1127133; 10 Oct 2001 1:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f9A21RB19007 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 03:01:27 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9A21Op19003 for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 03:01:24 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15r8Ki-000076-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 01:38:52 +0000 Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 02:38:02 GMT Message-Id: <156147@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: printer drivers X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R >How can an expert criticise the CC td and yet have to admit that there >is nothing around which will do the same job as effectively? The trouble is, the CC driver is good in parts. There are plenty of bugs that the Acorn drivers have which the CC ones don't. Alas the opposite is true. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 10 15:05:21 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156167 for opro ; Wed, 10 Oct 101 15:05:20 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1002677971:10:26722:158; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 01:39:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1127134; 10 Oct 2001 1:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f9A21Px19005 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 03:01:25 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9A21Mp18999 for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 03:01:22 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15r8Kg-000076-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 01:38:50 +0000 Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 02:35:17 GMT Message-Id: <156145@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Imposition with mail merge X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >The one thing that I always find difficult about OvationPro is Imposition. >I often want to print an A5 document twice (sideways) on a single sheet of >A4 and every time I have to work it out again. Thumbnails... >how - any help would be appreciated. I wanted to print 2 sheets of A5 per >sheet of A4 but also use mail merge to put a different name on each A5 >sheet. Can this be done? No. this is the thing which can't be done. What you would have to do is design an A4 page with two copies of your A5 data on, you can then get two lots of mail merge data in this. But you can't get this effect at the imposition stage. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 10 15:05:32 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156170 for opro ; Wed, 10 Oct 101 15:05:29 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1002697337:10:05703:71; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 07:02:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1005244; 10 Oct 2001 7:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f9A7NrB19441 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 08:23:53 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9A7Npp19438 for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 08:23:51 +0100 Received: from [62.188.136.21] (helo=62.188.136.21) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 15rDEB-0007FT-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 07:52:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Rob Hemmings To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 22:10:37 +0100 Subject: Re: Imposition with mail merge Message-ID: <4ac6edf60erobh@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4ac54eadd1robh@argonet.co.uk> References: <4ac54eadd1robh@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4ac54eadd1robh@argonet.co.uk>, Rob Hemmings wrote: > The one thing that I always find difficult about OvationPro is > Imposition. I often want to print an A5 document twice (sideways) on a > single sheet of A4 and every time I have to work it out again. Perhaps I > have a mental block! > But today I wanted to do something more difficult and could not work out > how - any help would be appreciated. I wanted to print 2 sheets of A5 > per sheet of A4 but also use mail merge to put a different name on each > A5 sheet. Can this be done? > I'm probably missing something simple but I could only get either 2 > sheets of A5 with the same name on each sheet of A4 or just one sheet of > A5 on each sheet of A4. To partly answer my own posting: I've been experimenting further with this. The problem seems to be that mail merge always starts a new (real) sheet of paper for each new record in the CSV file. (This then seems to override the thumbnails setting in the Imposit applet.) Does anyone know if it is possible to stop mail merge going to a new page like this until the previous one has filled up? -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Hemmings Southport Tel: +44 (0)1704 573210 robh@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 10 15:05:45 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156171 for opro ; Wed, 10 Oct 101 15:05:33 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1002697704:10:16616:62; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 07:08:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1112286; 10 Oct 2001 7:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f9A7UBN19505 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 08:30:11 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9A7U9p19502 for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 08:30:09 +0100 Received: from [62.188.135.59] (helo=62.188.135.59) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 15rDKH-0007Mx-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 07:58:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Rob Hemmings To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 08:06:39 +0100 Subject: Re: Imposition with mail merge Message-ID: <4ac72487darobh@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4ac6edf60erobh@argonet.co.uk> References: <4ac54eadd1robh@argonet.co.uk> <4ac6edf60erobh@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 09 Oct, robh@argonet.co.uk wrote: > In article <4ac54eadd1robh@argonet.co.uk>, Rob Hemmings > wrote: > > The one thing that I always find difficult about OvationPro is > > Imposition. I often want to print an A5 document twice (sideways) on a > > single sheet of A4 and every time I have to work it out again. Perhaps > > I have a mental block! > > But today I wanted to do something more difficult and could not work > > out how - any help would be appreciated. I wanted to print 2 sheets > > of A5 per sheet of A4 but also use mail merge to put a different name > > on each A5 sheet. Can this be done? > > I'm probably missing something simple but I could only get either 2 > > sheets of A5 with the same name on each sheet of A4 or just one sheet > > of A5 on each sheet of A4. > To partly answer my own posting: > I've been experimenting further with this. The problem seems to be that > mail merge always starts a new (real) sheet of paper for each new record > in the CSV file. (This then seems to override the thumbnails setting in > the Imposit applet.) Does anyone know if it is possible to stop mail > merge going to a new page like this until the previous one has filled up? Sorry, this cross posted with David's reply - please ignore. -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Hemmings Southport Tel: +44 (0)1704 573210 robh@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 10 18:12:35 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156184 for opro ; Wed, 10 Oct 101 18:12:34 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1002724603:20:10171:62; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 14:36:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2116657; 10 Oct 2001 14:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f9AEMTs24515 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 15:22:29 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9AEMRp24512 for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 15:22:27 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15rKFU-000CCi-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 14:22:16 +0000 Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 15:09:30 GMT Message-Id: <156172@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: printer drivers X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >The trouble is, the CC driver is good in parts. There are plenty of >bugs that the Acorn drivers have which the CC ones don't. Someone should talk CC into letting others take over their RISC OS products. I've no doubt this day will come. When I asked about being allowed access to the source of the ArtWorks renderer to fix a bug, I got the idea that their source code was off limits because the same technology was used in their Xara Windows products. A merger of the two printing systems would be ideal. Incidentally postings of the previous message in this thread from which the above quote is taken to (I believe) all "@btinternet.com" addresses on the list bounced. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 10 21:33:41 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156187 for opro ; Wed, 10 Oct 101 21:33:38 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1002735535:11:19538:60; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 17:38:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1008543; 10 Oct 2001 17:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f9AHbv824993 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 18:37:57 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from mail1.svr.pol.co.uk (mail1.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.18]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9AHbsp24990 for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 18:37:54 +0100 Received: from modem-43.iron.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.25.43] helo=kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk) by mail1.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 15rNIh-0005mz-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 18:37:48 +0100 Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 21:02:43 +0100 (BST) From: "John P. Kerslake" Subject: Re: Dynamic Date insertion To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <4ac655c271rayd@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 08 Oct, Ray Dawson wrote: > > In article <1eb241c64a%neill@narrator.demon.co.uk>, > Neill McNeill wrote: > > > What would be really useful to me is the ability > > to insert a character on the master page of a > > document, rather like the # for page numbering, > > which would stand for whatever date it is [and time?] > > when the document is loaded. > > Try Menu...Misc...Insert...Active date > > I have it set up in my stationery and automatically get todays date when > I open a new document. > > Cheers, > > Ray D > Yes the only lack is to be able to have a stationary item that has an active date that turns into a fixed date when the document is resaved with a different file name. -- J.P. Kerslake B.Sc., F.B.I.S. Pager 07626 - 235878, e-mail Home = johnpercy@kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk, Dyslexia Rules KO. RiscStation 64 meg 50 ns RAM. 9G HD, Ant INS. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 10 21:34:01 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156192 for opro ; Wed, 10 Oct 101 21:33:59 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1002744137:10:14912:60; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 20:02:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1106400; 10 Oct 2001 20:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f9AJxc125289 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 20:59:38 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from he001war.vianw.net (he001war.uk.vianw.net [195.102.249.208]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9AJxZp25286 for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 20:59:35 +0100 Received: from [194.119.179.59] (helo=Caslon.english.co.uk) by he001war.vianw.net with smtp (Exim 3.22 #5) id 15rPU0-0007Ts-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 20:57:37 +0100 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 21:00:13 +0100 Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 21:01:31 +0100 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: two rule documents Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <888f4ac74a.steveno@lx.student.wau.nl> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: POPstar/2.02 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R "Steven M. Ottens" wrote: > Hello all, > > I'm currently involved in a songbook with lots of songs and gitarchords. > The idea is that i produce a songbook with the songs like this: > > A C > this is the song > > D C > with a lot of words > > F C# > And some of the words > > A D > Get their gitar chord > > This is one of the more challenging kinds of material to set out in Ovation. One approach is to use a table - however, that really requires another program such as !TableMate. You can import tables from !TableMate into Ovation and ctrl-dbl click to edit them. The only other alternative I know of is to do clever things with linked multiple frames (it takes a long time to set up the master page). You can then flow the main text OK but you have to mess about with custom tabs to get the alignment of interlinear objects. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 11 13:26:19 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156226 for opro ; Thu, 11 Oct 101 13:26:17 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1002761004:20:20265:60; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 00:43:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2113949; 11 Oct 2001 0:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f9B0fec25761 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 01:41:40 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9B0fbp25757 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 01:41:37 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15rTug-000NNv-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 00:41:26 +0000 Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 01:41:02 GMT Message-Id: <156224@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: SWI error message X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >when I click on Describe it says 'SWI name not known 180'. Thats interesting. I wonder if by '180' it means line 180, that is typical of a Basic program, and I don't write Basic programs... So something beyond my domain, a font manager perhaps, or I think there are some applets that trap missing font events and do things with them. What name is at the top of the error box? David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 11 13:26:24 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156228 for opro ; Thu, 11 Oct 101 13:26:22 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1002760984:10:13988:60; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 00:43:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1013842; 11 Oct 2001 0:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f9B0fcb25759 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 01:41:38 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from imailg3.svr.pol.co.uk (imailg3.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.181]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9AJTOp25239 for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 20:29:25 +0100 Received: from modem-413.arbok.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.135.17.157] helo=magray.freeserve.co.uk) by imailg3.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 15rP2b-0007Wo-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 20:29:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 12:09:38 +0100 Subject: SWI error message Message-ID: <4ac73ac6d0rayd@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I'm using OP 2.66 and get an error message when trying to open some documents from an earlier version. It comes up with 'Application may have gone wrong' etc and when I click on Describe it says 'SWI name not known 180'. Clicking on Cancel then brings up the usual OP box to tell me that a font can't be found and gives the usual sustitution etc. Shouls a missing font cause a SWI error, or is there an underlying cause? Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 020 8864 7208 | the audio and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 11 13:26:26 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156229 for opro ; Thu, 11 Oct 101 13:26:24 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1002781079:20:03037:60; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 06:17:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2115772; 11 Oct 2001 6:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f9B6Gjt26255 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 07:16:45 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9B6Ggp26252 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 07:16:42 +0100 Received: from narrator.demon.co.uk ([158.152.60.112]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 15rZ8r-000HFB-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 06:16:26 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by narrator.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 13:32:28 GMT Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 14:32:21 +0100 From: Neill McNeill To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Active Date Message-ID: <7fd747c74a%neill@narrator.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Home/Sensible Software X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.67b Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi there, I set up a default page which will show the active date on A4. [I put this in the Footer using Page Guidelines on the master page.] However, when I load a new landscape document[using New...] the footer does not contain the date but the arrow indicating the text is too large. If I make the footer bigger, no text appears; just a caret. What might be going on here? Regards, Neill McNeill -- | Neill McNeill | Streatham Common|LONDON SW16| |Acorn StrongArm Risc PC OS 3.7|48Mb| |Email:neill@narrator.demon.co.uk| |http://www.narrator.demon.co.uk| |http://www.senssoft.riscos.org.uk| -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 11 13:26:32 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156231 for opro ; Thu, 11 Oct 101 13:26:29 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1002782582:20:04540:69; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 06:43:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2004341; 11 Oct 2001 6:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f9B6gig26358 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 07:42:44 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from snowstorm.mail.pipex.net (snowstorm.mail.pipex.net [158.43.192.97]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id f9B6ggp26354 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 07:42:42 +0100 Received: (qmail 5838 invoked from network); 11 Oct 2001 06:42:27 -0000 Received: from userax59.uk.uudial.com (HELO loopback) (62.188.139.50) by smtp-6.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 11 Oct 2001 06:42:27 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 07:32:58 +0100 Subject: Re: two rule documents Message-ID: <4ac7a54850dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: References: <888f4ac74a.steveno@lx.student.wau.nl> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.04-pre1 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , David Graddol wrote: > "Steven M. Ottens" wrote: > > Hello all, > > > > I'm currently involved in a songbook with lots of songs and gitarchords. > > The idea is that i produce a songbook with the songs like this: > > > > A C > > this is the song > > > > D C > > with a lot of words > > > > F C# > > And some of the words > > > > A D > > Get their gitar chord > > > > > This is one of the more challenging kinds of material to set > out in Ovation. One approach is to use a table - however, > that really requires another program such as !TableMate. You can > import tables from !TableMate into Ovation and ctrl-dbl click to > edit them. The only other alternative I know of is to do clever > things with linked multiple frames (it takes a long time to set > up the master page). You can then flow the main text OK but > you have to mess about with custom tabs to get the alignment of > interlinear objects. > David As a throwaway aside... maybe not at all relevant, but I'll mention it anyway. I sometimes create tables of data with a Spreadsheet. Eureka, the Spreadsheet app can output in ImpressionOLE format, this can be loaded into OvPro, and Ctrl-Double click OLEd back into Eureka for editing. Cheers Dave S -- _______________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... dfs@ukgateway.net Also... df@dafs.freeserve.co.uk .. or... dave@triffid.co.uk http://www.dfs.ukgateway.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 11 13:26:38 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156234 for opro ; Thu, 11 Oct 101 13:26:36 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1002787444:11:17063:60; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 08:04:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1116889; 11 Oct 2001 8:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f9B82n126559 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 09:02:49 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from gateh.kw.bbc.co.uk (gateh.kw.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.17]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9B82lp26556 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 09:02:47 +0100 Received: from w1bhxi02.radio.bbc.co.uk ([10.48.8.92]) by gateh.kw.bbc.co.uk (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f9B82TJ13310 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 09:02:29 +0100 (BST) Received: from w12wcxi02.wc.bbc.co.uk (unverified) by w1bhxi02.radio.bbc.co.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.1) with ESMTP id for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 09:02:28 +0100 Message-ID: <21B2A2008F16D2118E7A00805F8BF7ECA996E8@w12wnxu01.wn.bbc.co.uk> From: Michael Hunter To: "'ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk'" Subject: RE: Dynamic Date insertion Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 09:02:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro John P. Kerslake wrote: Yes the only lack is to be able to have a stationary item that has an active date that turns into a fixed date when the document is resaved with a different file name. The mailmerge approach I mentioned the other day can insert the file save date and time (and also the print date and time). I don't think I know how to insert the file create time. I use this to store reference copies of letters, etc. If I print a copy later I still get the date the letter was saved (rather than the date I printed it.) Michael Hunter This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify me immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the BBC, unless specifically stated. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 11 13:26:43 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156236 for opro ; Thu, 11 Oct 101 13:26:41 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1002795824:10:24059:60; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 10:23:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1023958; 11 Oct 2001 10:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f9BALRh26859 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 11:21:27 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from mail3.svr.pol.co.uk (mail3.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.19]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9BALOp26856 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 11:21:24 +0100 Received: from modem-1024.arbok.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.135.20.0] helo=magray.freeserve.co.uk) by mail3.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 15rcxg-0003h5-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 11:21:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 09:43:55 +0100 Subject: Re: SWI error message Message-ID: <4ac7b14568rayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <156224@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <156224@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <156224@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >when I click on Describe it says 'SWI name not known 180'. > Thats interesting. I wonder if by '180' it means line 180, that is > typical of a Basic program, and I don't write Basic programs... > So something beyond my domain, a font manager perhaps, or I think > there are some applets that trap missing font events and do things > with them. > What name is at the top of the error box? The first box, the 'Application may have gone wrong ...' one just says 'Error' in the title bar. Clicking on Describe brings up 'SWI name not known 180' - again with just 'Error' in the title bar. Clicking on Cancel brings up the OP 'Missing fonts' window. I use Atlanta for font managing, but get the error without it being loaded. I'll send a zipped copy to you directly to see if it happens on your system. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 020 8864 7208 | the audio and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 11 13:26:47 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156237 for opro ; Thu, 11 Oct 101 13:26:45 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1002795844:10:24196:81; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 10:24:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1023956; 11 Oct 2001 10:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f9BALOe26855 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 11:21:24 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from mail3.svr.pol.co.uk (mail3.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.19]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9BALMp26851 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 11:21:22 +0100 Received: from modem-1024.arbok.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.135.20.0] helo=magray.freeserve.co.uk) by mail3.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 15rcxe-0003h5-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 11:21:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 09:31:33 +0100 Subject: Re: Active Date Message-ID: <4ac7b0239frayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <7fd747c74a%neill@narrator.demon.co.uk> References: <7fd747c74a%neill@narrator.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <7fd747c74a%neill@narrator.demon.co.uk>, Neill McNeill wrote: > Hi there, > I set up a default page which will > show the active date on A4. [I put this in the > Footer using Page Guidelines on the master page.] > However, when I load a new landscape document[using New...] > the footer does not contain the date but the arrow indicating > the text is too large. If I make the footer bigger, no text appears; > just a caret. > What might be going on here? Does the frame overlap, or is near to another frame? If so, the other frame is repelling the text in the footer. Change the runaround in the other frame. (Ctrl-Shift-T) Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 020 8864 7208 | the audio and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 11 17:46:28 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156261 for opro ; Thu, 11 Oct 101 17:46:19 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1002811369:10:25049:157; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 14:42:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1127613; 11 Oct 2001 14:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f9BE2qs27372 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 15:02:52 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9BE2op27369 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 15:02:50 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15rgPw-0003h1-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 14:02:32 +0000 Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 14:59:01 GMT Message-Id: <156251@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: SWI error message X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I'll send a zipped copy to you directly to see if it happens on your >system. No it doesn't. I don't really buy the idea that a particular document could cause a missing SWI error. I'd be inclined to try loading another document with a missing font to prove the point. If a font is missing OPro tells scripts and applets about it, before any warning message appears. So what you describe fits in with an applet being the cause. Again I'd be inclined to run up say the version of OPro on the CD and see if loading the document into that has the same effect. The other key debugging point is to establish what '180' is, is it a SWI number or a line number. If it is a line number then it almost certainly is Basic that is at fault. If its a SWI number then neither decimal or hex values are very hopeful. &180 isn't going to be missing it is so crucial and dec 180 shouldn't exist. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Oct 13 02:14:03 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156286 for opro ; Sat, 13 Oct 101 02:14:01 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1002919927:10:29073:60; Fri, 12 Oct 2001 20:52:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1028935; 12 Oct 2001 20:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f9CKnQ429522 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 12 Oct 2001 21:49:26 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from kx1-gui.server.which.net (kx1-gui.server.which.net [194.168.97.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9CKnNp29519 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2001 21:49:23 +0100 Received: from waddell.which.net ([62.255.44.53]) by kx1-gui.server.which.net (InterMail vK.4.03.02.00 201-232-124 license e70b2acfbd69d84cc925654164bd8fad) with SMTP id <20011012204844.NJXA13918.kx1-gui@waddell.which.net> for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2001 21:48:44 +0100 Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 20:59:44 +0100 (BST) From: John Waddell Subject: Re: Dynamic Date insertion To: Ovation mail list In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 09 Oct, John P. Kerslake wrote: > > On Mon 08 Oct, Ray Dawson wrote: > > > > In article <1eb241c64a%neill@narrator.demon.co.uk>, > > Neill McNeill wrote: > > > > > What would be really useful to me is the ability > > > to insert a character on the master page of a > > > document, rather like the # for page numbering, > > > which would stand for whatever date it is [and time?] > > > when the document is loaded. > > > > Try Menu...Misc...Insert...Active date > > > > I have it set up in my stationery and automatically get todays date when > > I open a new document. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Ray D > > > Yes the only lack is to be able to have a stationary item that has an active > date that turns into a fixed date when the document is resaved with a > different file name. > My solution for this would be to identify the location on documents where you want the date and draw a small text frame there. Having made the frame active by clicking in it, I would then either click on the 'current date' icon, having placed it permanently on the button bar or I would have preconfigured a keypress sequence to insert the current date. On my own setup, I have CTRL/Insert set up to insert the current date and Shift/Insert set up to insert the current time. This means that when I want both the time and date, say at the end of a minute on a file minute sheet, I press CTRL/Shift/Insert. Hopefully, someone will know better and suggest an applet that will do this for you! -- John Waddell, Langbank, Renfrewshire -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 16 19:42:03 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156317 for opro ; Tue, 16 Oct 101 19:42:01 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1003054182:11:05094:61; Sun, 14 Oct 2001 10:09:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1025389; 14 Oct 2001 10:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f9EA7gX32711 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 14 Oct 2001 11:07:42 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9EA7Tp32708 for ; Sun, 14 Oct 2001 11:07:39 +0100 Received: from [62.188.131.82] (helo=RiscPC) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 15si1W-0003VL-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 14 Oct 2001 10:57:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 10:57:11 +0100 Subject: Re: SWI error message Message-ID: <4ac9437c88steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <156251@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <156251@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <156251@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > No it doesn't. I don't really buy the idea that a particular document > could cause a missing SWI error. > I'd be inclined to try loading another document with a missing font > to prove the point. Any document with a missing font does that. I did once try and find the error message origin, as I recall it was somewhere in the OS font handling. It's not fatal and adding the missing font eliminates the error message. -- Steve Pampling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 16 19:42:20 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA156324 for opro ; Tue, 16 Oct 101 19:42:18 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1003069733:10:01921:60; Sun, 14 Oct 2001 14:28:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1122960; 14 Oct 2001 14:28