From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Apr 2 17:48:17 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA147887 for opro ; Mon, 02 Apr 101 17:48:14 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 986056198:10:08213:95; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 16:29:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1007028; 31 Mar 2001 16:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f2VGSeS04800 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 17:28:40 +0100 Received: from madhatter.navaho.net (IDENT:root@madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f2VGSc504797 for ; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 17:28:38 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by madhatter.navaho.net with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 14jO5j-0007VL-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 17:19:08 +0100 Received: from useran16.uk.uudial.com (62.188.135.33) [62.188.135.33] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 14jOEU-0003xA-00; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 17:28:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Dr P.N.Young" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 17:02:36 +0100 Subject: Re: POBar again Message-ID: <4a63f14336pnyoung@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <147880@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <147880@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02d (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <147880@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >Sorry, I didn't make myself clear (not unusual). I put in the bar codes > >off a letter delivered here and off a prepaid envelope. Decoding both > >of these gave a mixture of 'bad 4 bar sequence' and 'bad checksum' > >errors. Generating bar-codes from these two addresses gave completely > >different bar-codes from the ones on the two envelopes. Someone else is > >having the same problems, too, so I think the problem must be somewhere > >in the applet. It's a lovely idea, but it doesn't seem to work, at > >least for me! > Scan me the bar codes if you like and I'll have a look. Sent by private e-mail; thanks for the continued interest. > > The case for the defence is that the applet was coded using PO > documentation, the errors raised above point out its correctness - if > that documentation says a particular bar code sequence is not allowed > then thats right. > I can think of various possibilities - the bar code system has been > extended, the bar codes on your letters are damaged or invalid, the bar > codes on your letters are not PO bar codes at all, or are from another > system. Beyond me, but if anyone can help I will be grateful! Best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. Anne \ / __ __ \ England. Cecilia / / \ | | |\ | / _ \http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/pnyoung James / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \_____________ pnyoung@argonet.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Apr 2 17:48:33 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA147889 for opro ; Mon, 02 Apr 101 17:48:29 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 986066029:10:00773:71; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 19:13:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1029929; 31 Mar 2001 19:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f2VJCbb05304 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 20:12:37 +0100 Received: from madhatter.navaho.net (IDENT:root@madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f2VJCZ505301 for ; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 20:12:36 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by madhatter.navaho.net with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 14jQeP-0008Ll-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 20:03:05 +0100 Received: from userfx91.uk.uudial.com (62.188.28.252) [62.188.28.252] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 14jQn9-00016c-00; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 20:12:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: David Breakwell To: OVATIONP-L Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 20:04:43 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Index generation Message-ID: <4a64076d9cdavidb@argonet.co.uk> References: <4a62b1ea8aPaul@vigay.com> <4a6374a23cdavidb@argonet.co.uk> < In-Reply-To: <4a63c373c7Paul@vigay.com> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4a63c373c7Paul@vigay.com>, Paul Vigay wrote: > Basically, all I want to do is to go through the document/booklet, > highlighting various words in a different colour(style) (so I can easily > see which words are indexed) and then create an index to those words. > Two requirements are the ability to see which words are indexed and the > ability to re-edit the document with the words in situ - so if I insert a > page somewhere, I can re-index and all the words on subsequent pages will > be re-updated etc. > I'll perhaps give IdxPro another try. You may find the following Script useful - it deletes the tags and bookmarks that IdxPro uses. To use it save out the script (with Filetype OvpScrpt), place your cursor in the relevant document and then double click on the script. If you do not use this script then each run of Style->Index from the menu will create new IdxPro markers (ie duplicates). ************************************************************************* It goes without saying - treat with care as any work you have done manipulating the Index using the review window etc will be lost. ************************************************************************* This Script therefore allows you to wipe out the index and regenerate from the marked text. So to use IdxPro like IP index tool you could: 1. Mark text with style of your choosing 2. Select the IdxPro option Style->Index 3. Place the cursor in the right place and Type Index 4. If you need to make changes go back an remark the text and run the script to delete the IdxPro structures (note: the script does not delete te typed index just the info that was used to generate it). You can then rerun step 2. 5. If you reach step 5 then you must be happy with the index - any 'extras' you could then add using the Review Window in IdxPro Hope this helps David // Start of Script // Deletes IDXPro BookMarks int i; int count; int bm; string s; int it = 0x49445800; // create 'Bookmarks' button void main(void) { count = 0; bm = 1; i=0; while(bm) { bm=bmname(i++, s); if(mids(s,0,3)=="IDX") { bmdelete(bm); count = count + 1; // messagebox(mids(s,0,3)); i=0; } }; if(tagexists(currentfile(),it,0)==1) { tagwrites(currentfile(),it,""); tagwrites(currentfile(),it+1,""); tagwrites(currentfile(),it+2,""); tagwrites(currentfile(),it+3,""); tagwrites(currentfile(),it+4,""); tagwrite(currentfile(),it+5,0,0); tagwrite(currentfile(),it+6,0,0); } messagebox(itos(count)+" Bookmarks Deleted"); } // End of Script -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | davidb@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Apr 2 17:48:41 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA147892 for opro ; Mon, 02 Apr 101 17:48:37 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 986066011:20:20405:72; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 19:13:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2020257; 31 Mar 2001 19:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f2VJCWV05299 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 20:12:32 +0100 Received: from madhatter.navaho.net (IDENT:root@madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f2VJCT505296 for ; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 20:12:29 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by madhatter.navaho.net with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 14jQeG-0008Lh-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 20:02:56 +0100 Received: from userfx91.uk.uudial.com (62.188.28.252) [62.188.28.252] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 14jQmh-00016c-00; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 20:11:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: David Breakwell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 19:42:26 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Indexing using IdxPro Message-ID: <4a6405638fdavidb@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4a6309253adavidb@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Colin Mackinlay wrote: > In on Thu 29 Mar, David Breakwell wrote: > > Do download the latest version from the OP resources site as this has > > some very significant performance tweaks. > Can't find it there - in fact othing on indexing at all. The site seems to be down at the moment but the URL you need is: http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | davidb@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Apr 2 17:48:43 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA147893 for opro ; Mon, 02 Apr 101 17:48:42 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 986075092:10:25743:72; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 21:44:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1024848; 31 Mar 2001 21:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f2VLgu007184 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 22:42:56 +0100 Received: from norwegia.access.ch (mail.access.ch [195.112.71.134]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f2VLgr507181 for ; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 22:42:53 +0100 Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (megapop9-84.access.ch [212.161.130.212]) by norwegia.access.ch (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA03639 for ; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 23:42:56 +0200 Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 23:41:36 +0200 (BST) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: POBar again To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <4a63f14336pnyoung@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: tevens Secretariaat Stichting Van Vredenburch X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sat 31 Mar, Dr P.N.Young wrote: > In article <147880@pilling.demon.co.uk>, > David Pilling wrote: snip You would not by chance be using the wrong barcode applet? There is one for England, and one for The Netherlands. The coding and decoding of the 2 applets is different. Greetings, JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch tel +41 41 3706125 | RiscOS Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Apr 2 17:48:56 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA147902 for opro ; Mon, 02 Apr 101 17:48:54 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 986122296:20:10169:66; Sun, 01 Apr 2001 10:51:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2008675; 1 Apr 2001 10:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f31Ano208993 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 1 Apr 2001 11:49:50 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f31Anm508990 for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2001 11:49:48 +0100 Received: from ypical.demon.co.uk ([158.152.78.65]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 14jfQc-000E2T-0W for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 1 Apr 2001 11:49:51 +0100 Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 11:18:34 +0100 From: Fred Bambrough Message-ID: X-Organization: @ypical User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: OvnP 2.63 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R OvationPro 2.63 Reading through the buglist file, shouldn't there be v 1.11 of the Colour Supplement? Don't seem to be able to find it. Lockswitch module Whilst I can introduce a space on the button bar before the Lockswitch icons, it doesn't seem to save with the macros. Re-loading OP loses the gap. Any ideas? (Valid for OP 2.62 too) -- Fred -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Apr 2 23:06:17 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA147953 for opro ; Mon, 02 Apr 101 23:06:14 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 986236694:20:14828:69; Mon, 02 Apr 2001 18:38:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2104069; 2 Apr 2001 18:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f32IVo213793 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 2 Apr 2001 19:31:50 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f32IVl513789 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2001 19:31:47 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14k97G-000Hgv-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 2 Apr 2001 18:31:50 +0000 Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 18:13:38 GMT Message-Id: <147922@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: POBar again X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Sent by private e-mail; thanks for the continued interest. One of those gives 'bad four bar code sequence', thats the one copied by hand. I think it can be explained away by either a copying error, or since the original is too poor to scan [1] it is perhaps too poor to eyeball too. The other gives a postcode which is sort of right ZZ instead of XX. Roger King also recently sent me an example in his case 32 became 12. Its hard to say, clearly a bug is going to result in small differences like this, but there also must be plenty of room for people keying data wrongly. It would be interesting if anyone has access to other PO bar code software to see if they get these examples right. If you do, drop me an email and I'll send you the rogue examples. I did try an example from my post, and it worked fine. [1] tempted to launch into seminar on how to scan poor source material in black and white. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Apr 2 23:06:17 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA147954 for opro ; Mon, 02 Apr 101 23:06:14 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 986236645:10:11888:82; Mon, 02 Apr 2001 18:37:25 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1115829; 2 Apr 2001 18:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f32IVmk13792 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 2 Apr 2001 19:31:48 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f32IVk513785 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2001 19:31:46 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14k97E-000Hgv-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 2 Apr 2001 18:31:48 +0000 Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 18:10:23 GMT Message-Id: <147920@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvnP 2.63 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R >OvationPro 2.63 >Reading through the buglist file, shouldn't there be v 1.11 of the Colour >Supplement? Don't seem to be able to find it. Err oops. I've got to update the web site tonight, I'll upload it in the stand alone applets section and I'll update the ypgrade archive. >Lockswitch module >Whilst I can introduce a space on the button bar before the Lockswitch >icons, it doesn't seem to save with the macros. Re-loading OP loses the >gap. Any ideas? (Valid for OP 2.62 too) Tough luck. The applet redefines the buttons, and in doing so clobbers any gap that has been set up. Fixes... either delete the code in the applet setting up the buttons, or change it by hand to insert a gap. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Apr 2 23:06:20 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA147956 for opro ; Mon, 02 Apr 101 23:06:18 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 986246638:10:24233:77; Mon, 02 Apr 2001 21:23:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1023988; 2 Apr 2001 21:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f32LNLk14485 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 2 Apr 2001 22:23:21 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f32LNJ514482 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2001 22:23:19 +0100 Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 14kBnG-000DK1-0Y for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 2 Apr 2001 22:23:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 22:24:20 +0100 Subject: Re: OvPro Alternative resources Message-ID: <4a651663a3Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a6510601cdfs@ukgateway.net> References: <4a6510601cdfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/2.01g (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 02 Apr, Dave Symes wrote: > Anyone know if the Alternative OVPro resources site is still in action as > I've not been able to connect to it for ages. > http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ > Cheers > Dave S Doesn't seem to work for me. -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Apr 2 23:06:25 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA147958 for opro ; Mon, 02 Apr 101 23:06:24 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 986242940:20:15581:66; Mon, 02 Apr 2001 20:22:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2015033; 2 Apr 2001 20:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f32KLQh14229 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 2 Apr 2001 21:21:26 +0100 Received: from sand4.global.net.uk (sand4.global.net.uk [195.147.246.106]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f32KLO514226 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2001 21:21:24 +0100 Received: from p4es01a03.client.global.net.uk ([195.147.161.79] helo=loopback) by sand4.global.net.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 14kAnk-0003Mp-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 2 Apr 2001 21:19:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 21:18:39 +0100 Subject: OvPro Alternative resources Message-ID: <4a6510601cdfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Anyone know if the Alternative OVPro resources site is still in action as I've not been able to connect to it for ages. http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ Cheers Dave S -- _______________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... dfs@ukgateway.net Also... df@dafs.freeserve.co.uk .. or... dave@triffid.co.uk http://www.dfs.ukgateway.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Apr 3 02:02:15 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA147974 for opro ; Tue, 03 Apr 101 02:02:13 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 986251630:20:26514:66; Mon, 02 Apr 2001 22:47:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2025813; 2 Apr 2001 22:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f32MkC414810 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 2 Apr 2001 23:46:12 +0100 Received: from smtp01.fields.gol.com (smtp01.fields.gol.com [203.216.5.131]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f32Mk9514807 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2001 23:46:09 +0100 Received: from tc-1-2-043.shinjuku.gol.ne.jp ([203.216.9.43] helo=plattir.gol.com) by smtp01.fields.gol.com with smtp (Magnetic Fields) id 14kD5E-0004Qx-00 for ; Tue, 03 Apr 2001 07:46:01 +0900 Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 07:46:51 +0000 (GMT) From: "Ian R. Platt" Subject: Re: POBar again To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <147922@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] X-Abuse-Complaints: abuse@gol.com Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Mon 02 Apr, David Pilling wrote: > > > [1] tempted to launch into seminar on how to scan poor source material in > black and white. > We're waiting, pencils poised :-) > > David Pilling > Ian P. -- Ian Platt Risc OS4 + StrongARM = UK technology. Continuing to 'think differently':-) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Apr 3 14:34:50 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA147983 for opro ; Tue, 03 Apr 101 14:34:47 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 986265091:20:06175:66; Tue, 03 Apr 2001 02:31:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2120022; 3 Apr 2001 2:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f332UeY15529 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 03:30:40 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f332Ub515526 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 03:30:37 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14kGae-000JDr-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 02:30:40 +0000 Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 03:30:48 GMT Message-Id: <147980@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvnP 2.63 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hi, Sorry no web site update. It'll be Tuesday now... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Apr 3 14:34:54 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA147985 for opro ; Tue, 03 Apr 101 14:34:51 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 986265091:20:06194:67; Tue, 03 Apr 2001 02:31:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2005306; 3 Apr 2001 2:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f332UZj15524 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 03:30:35 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f332UX515521 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 03:30:33 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14kGaZ-000JDr-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 02:30:35 +0000 Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 02:03:11 GMT Message-Id: <147975@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: POBar again X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R >We're waiting, pencils poised :-) Black and white scanning is all about sticking the threshold setting between the two brightness levels you're trying to scan. On TWAIN 2 drivers you can display the input brightness distribution and perhaps actually see the two levels. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Apr 3 21:22:02 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148007 for opro ; Tue, 03 Apr 101 21:21:59 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 986319363:20:11799:66; Tue, 03 Apr 2001 17:36:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2011354; 3 Apr 2001 17:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f33HYYs17993 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 18:34:34 +0100 Received: from smtp04.wxs.nl (smtp04.wxs.nl [195.121.6.59]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f33FwX517712 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 16:58:33 +0100 Received: from tenu.tref.nl ([195.121.192.126]) by smtp04.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 4.05) with SMTP id GB84DN02.8WK for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 17:58:35 +0200 Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 17:58:27 +0000 (GMT) From: Tekst & Uitleg Subject: 1200 DPI To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Tekst & Uitleg, Nederland X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hello, It is a few weeks now that we have got a problem with our printing-company and imagesetter. We have a postcriptfile with a screen of 150 LPI. The films give a result of nearby 100 LPI. In the file we can read the line: 150 45 {Spot1} setscreen So we assumed the imagesetter overruled our document. The printingcompany says: "Nothing has changed in our configurations. But when we send your file to the imagesetter we see on screen the instruction '1200 DPI'. And because it does not recognise 1200 DPI and 150 LPI the output is 1200 DPI and 100 LPI. So you have to give in 2400 DPI and 150 LPI." I remember from Impression giving in the DPI, but not from Ovation. I don't think something changed in our configurations. So, perhaps somebody knows what is happening here? Arnold -- Tekst & Uitleg Schaijk / Tel. 0486 463112 / Fax 0486 463537 Kabelkrant Kubus / Tel. 0486 463553 Runstraat 27b Schaijk / Zie ook: http://www.uitleg.nl Dienblad http://www.dienblad.nl / Landerd op: http://www.landerd.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Apr 3 23:03:42 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148019 for opro ; Tue, 03 Apr 101 23:03:39 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 986329426:20:29279:67; Tue, 03 Apr 2001 20:23:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2124409; 3 Apr 2001 20:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f33KM6t18475 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 21:22:06 +0100 Received: from host1.kbnet.co.uk (host1.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f33KM4518472 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 21:22:04 +0100 Received: from kbnet.co.uk (dialup051.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.213]) by host1.kbnet.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA09593 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 21:18:36 +0100 Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 21:21:56 +0100 From: Mike Williams To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: 1200 DPI Message-ID: <288394654a.akalat@akalat.kbnet.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Akalat Publishing User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/3.60) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id f33KM5518473 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: > Hello, > > It is a few weeks now that we have got a problem with our > printing-company and imagesetter. > We have a postcriptfile with a screen of 150 LPI. The films > give a result of nearby 100 LPI. In the file we can read the > line: > 150 45 {Spot1} setscreen > So we assumed the imagesetter overruled our document. > > The printingcompany says: "Nothing has changed in our configurations. > But when we send your file to the imagesetter we see on screen > the instruction '1200 DPI'. And because it does not recognise > 1200 DPI and 150 LPI the output is 1200 DPI and 100 LPI. So you > have to give in 2400 DPI and 150 LPI." > > I remember from Impression giving in the DPI, but not from > Ovation. I don't think something changed in our configurations. > > So, perhaps somebody knows what is happening here? > As far as I know the dpi is nearly always determined by the imagesetter software, not by the PostScript. Although Impression do Have you searched the PostScript file for '1200 DPI'? Mike Williams Akalat Publishing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Apr 3 23:03:47 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148022 for opro ; Tue, 03 Apr 101 23:03:43 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 986330877:20:15752:68; Tue, 03 Apr 2001 20:47:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2116423; 3 Apr 2001 20:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f33Kkxd18608 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 21:46:59 +0100 Received: from altrade.nijmegen.inter.nl.net (altrade.nijmegen.inter.nl.net [193.67.237.6]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f33Kkp518605 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 21:46:52 +0100 Received: from padua by altrade.nijmegen.inter.nl.net via 1Cust134.tnt43.rtm1.nl.uu.net [213.117.4.134] with SMTP for id WAA14237 (8.8.8/1.3); Tue, 3 Apr 2001 22:46:54 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <004c01c0bc7f$6f7793f0$4d01a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: "Ovation Pro" References: Subject: Re: 1200 DPI Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 22:46:26 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Tue 03 Apr, Arnold from Tekst & Uitleg wrote: ----- Original Message ----- > It is a few weeks now that we have got a problem with our > printing-company and imagesetter. > We have a postcriptfile with a screen of 150 LPI. The films > give a result of nearby 100 LPI. In the file we can read the > line: > 150 45 {Spot1} setscreen > So we assumed the imagesetter overruled our document. As far as I know 150 45 {Spot1} setscreen is an Impression setting in the 'PostScript screen' option (File --> Print --> Typesetting) When I switch it on, I see 150 45 {Spot1} setscreen as command in the PostScript output. Years ago I have used this option or PostScript screen off succesfully and as you say, overruled by the settings of the imagesetter. Months ago I tried this setscreen command with !RiScript Pro without any complaint. > The printingcompany says: "Nothing has changed in our configurations. > But when we send your file to the imagesetter we see on screen > the instruction '1200 DPI'. And because it does not recognise > 1200 DPI and 150 LPI the output is 1200 DPI and 100 LPI. So you > have to give in 2400 DPI and 150 LPI." > > I remember from Impression giving in the DPI, but not from > Ovation. I don't think something changed in our configurations. > > So, perhaps somebody knows what is happening here? Ovation Pro is default configured with the screentype/screen 150 45 {Dot} setscreen switched on. In Ovation Pro these types 'behave' correct: (File --> Print setup --> Separations --> Screen) 150 45 {Line} setscreen 150 45 {Square} setscreen 150 45 {Ellipse} setscreen 150 45 {Circle} setscreen and of course, switched off. but only this option: 150 45 {Dot} setscreen produces a PostScript output file, which isn't accepted by RiScript Pro: "Message from DSCript; Error:Rangecheck; Offending command -setscreen- Acrobat 3.02 and my printer -600 DPI- don't complain. I also tried to apply that screen to a single graphic window, with the screen setting for the whole document off. The error message occurred again: Riscript throws back "error: rangecheck: OffendingCommand; -setscreen-" followed by: stack -savelevel- savelevel- -1.0000000002075 changing the 2 into 3 in the line /Dot{180 mul cos exch 180 mul cos add 2 div}def or changing the command 150 45 {Dot} setscreen into %%150 45 {Dot} setscreen (setting it off) 'solved' the problem, meaning no error messages in !RiScript Pro. This wasn't the currently newest version. Beware, changing the 2 into 3 was only an experiment, I tried with the described result. I have reported this to David Pilling. His guess was "I would say the trouble is that the expression is returning a value slightly bigger than 1.0 - it should be between 1.0 and -1.0." In that time someone with a newer version of !RiScript Pro seemed to have stated, that the problem was solved. As if it had been a !RiScript Pro error. Maybe it is an Ovation Pro error. I don't know if your 1200DPI problem is related to my described {Dot} screen problem. mrs. Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Apr 4 13:22:28 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148035 for opro ; Wed, 04 Apr 101 13:22:25 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 986348956:10:08104:72; Wed, 04 Apr 2001 01:49:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1119793; 4 Apr 2001 1:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f341mCA19443 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 02:48:12 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f341m9519439 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 02:48:09 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14kcP6-0008ME-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 01:48:12 +0000 Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 01:32:10 GMT Message-Id: <148025@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: 1200 DPI X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >the instruction '1200 DPI' I'd guess it should be easy enough to ask what that command is, and see if/where it is in the original PS file. Then discover the source. I don't believe Ovation Pro adds such a command. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Apr 4 13:22:28 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148036 for opro ; Wed, 04 Apr 101 13:22:26 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 986349355:20:09933:66; Wed, 04 Apr 2001 01:55:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2008742; 4 Apr 2001 1:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f341mAI19441 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 02:48:10 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f341m8519435 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 02:48:08 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14kcP4-0008ME-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 01:48:10 +0000 Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 01:27:36 GMT Message-Id: <148023@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: 1200 DPI X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >150 45 {Dot} setscreen >produces a PostScript output file, which isn't accepted by RiScript Pro: >"Message from DSCript; Error:Rangecheck; Offending command -setscreen- What I also pointed out was that this code is taken from the Adobe Red Post Script book. >In that time someone with a newer version of !RiScript Pro seemed to have >stated, that the problem was solved. As if it had been a !RiScript Pro error. 'seemed'? does that imply the problem has come back? David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Apr 4 13:22:32 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148037 for opro ; Wed, 04 Apr 101 13:22:29 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 986350241:20:16441:66; Wed, 04 Apr 2001 02:10:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2015937; 4 Apr 2001 2:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f341mIA19448 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 02:48:18 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f341mG519445 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 02:48:16 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14kcPD-0008ME-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 01:48:19 +0000 Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 02:45:19 GMT Message-Id: <148033@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvnP 2.63 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I've now done the web site update. As requested the 2.63 upgrade archive now includes the latest colour supplement applet. In addition the applets page has the latest versions of the Colour Supplement, Colour Palette, EPS and Fill applets (the last 3 are in the 2.63 upgrade archive). The 2.63 release notes advertisted Colour Suppplement 1.11, however since then there has been another bug fix. So what is up there now is 1.12 which has this gem... DP 330 When a screen is set up for an individual picture the black screen angle is used for all plates when printing separations. Fixed. Colour Supplement applet 1.12 David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Apr 4 13:22:36 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148040 for opro ; Wed, 04 Apr 101 13:22:33 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 986353315:20:26792:66; Wed, 04 Apr 2001 03:01:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2122411; 4 Apr 2001 3:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f3431WB19826 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 04:01:32 +0100 Received: from madhatter.navaho.net (IDENT:root@madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f3431U519823 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 04:01:30 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by madhatter.navaho.net with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 14kdOh-0003DN-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 04 Apr 2001 03:51:51 +0100 Received: from usercp23.uk.uudial.com (62.188.156.52) [62.188.156.52] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 14k8hU-00009I-00; Mon, 2 Apr 2001 19:05:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Dr P.N.Young" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 19:53:38 +0100 Subject: POBar again Message-ID: <4a6484c1c6pnyoung@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02d (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro This may appear more than once, as there has been a mail server failure at Argo, and I don't know what I have been able to send :-( In article , Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch wrote: > On Sat 31 Mar, Dr P.N.Young wrote: > > In article <147880@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling > > wrote: > snip > You would not by chance be using the wrong barcode applet? > There is one for England, and one for The Netherlands. > The coding and decoding of the 2 applets is different. Been to check, and it says it's the right one for the UK! Best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. Anne \ / __ __ \ England. Cecilia / / \ | | |\ | / _ \http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/pnyoung James / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \_____________ pnyoung@argonet.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Apr 4 13:22:59 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148043 for opro ; Wed, 04 Apr 101 13:22:55 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 986383156:20:21065:67; Wed, 04 Apr 2001 11:19:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2020760; 4 Apr 2001 11:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f34BI5021157 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 12:18:05 +0100 Received: from altrade.nijmegen.inter.nl.net (altrade.nijmegen.inter.nl.net [193.67.237.6]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f34BI2521154 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 12:18:02 +0100 Received: from padua by altrade.nijmegen.inter.nl.net via 1Cust129.tnt41.rtm1.nl.uu.net [213.117.0.129] with SMTP for id NAA29000 (8.8.8/1.3); Wed, 4 Apr 2001 13:18:00 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <001601c0bcf9$20d01400$4d01a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: "Ovation Pro" References: <148023@pilling.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: 1200 DPI Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 13:18:53 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Wed 04 Apr, David Pilling wrote: > > >150 45 {Dot} setscreen > >produces a PostScript output file, which isn't accepted by RiScript Pro: > >"Message from DSCript; Error:Rangecheck; Offending command -setscreen- > > What I also pointed out was that this code is taken from the Adobe Red Post > Script book. Correct. It would have been better, if I had quoted that too. Sorry. > > >In that time someone with a newer version of !RiScript Pro seemed to have > >stated, that the problem was solved. As if it had been a !RiScript Pro error. > > 'seemed'? does that imply the problem has come back? > You yourself wrote to me: "I know someone said this, but I seemed to think someone else disagreed." I don't have the newest version of !RiScript Pro or access to it. Hence I can't try myself. mrs. Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Apr 4 14:54:00 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148060 for opro ; Wed, 04 Apr 101 14:53:57 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 986388386:20:06533:69; Wed, 04 Apr 2001 12:46:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2120786; 4 Apr 2001 12:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f34CjZt22612 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 13:45:35 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f34CjW522548 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 13:45:32 +0100 Received: from mcfamily.demon.co.uk ([194.222.77.216]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14kmfG-0007dF-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 12:45:35 +0000 Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 13:43:23 +0100 From: Andy McMullon To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Print failure Message-ID: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I'm trying to print a fairly simple poster containing text in a single font (Arizona) and one logo (Drawfile). The print fails about 3/4 of the way through with an error message about the area of memory being reserved for fonts being full. I have 34 Megs of RAM with a minimum font cache of 1024k (with no max). Anyone know what the problem might be? -- skypilot@bigfoot.com / andy@mcfamily.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Apr 4 17:16:57 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148064 for opro ; Wed, 04 Apr 101 17:16:55 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 986392408:10:27999:69; Wed, 04 Apr 2001 13:53:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1026964; 4 Apr 2001 13:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f34DpvO23550 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 14:51:57 +0100 Received: from smtp01.wxs.nl (smtp01.wxs.nl [195.121.6.61]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f34ANv520918 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 11:23:57 +0100 Received: from tenu.tref.nl ([195.121.192.19]) by smtp01.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 4.05) with SMTP id GB9JJT04.CBH for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 12:23:53 +0200 Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 12:20:37 +0000 (GMT) From: Tekst & Uitleg Subject: Re: 1200 DPI To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <288394654a.akalat@akalat.kbnet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Tekst & Uitleg, Nederland X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 03 Apr, Mike Williams wrote: > In message you wrote: > > As far as I know the dpi is nearly always determined by the imagesetter > software, not by the PostScript. > Have you searched the PostScript file for '1200 DPI'? Yes, I did, but didn't find anything. So I did a test with Impression setting 2400 DPI and 1200 DPI but there did not seem to be a difference in the two files. So I believe you are right that the DPI is determined by the imagesetter. In the meantime we got this proved today. The printing-company send the same file to a collegue where it came out the right way. So they admitted it had to do something with their imagesetter. Thanks for the answers, others to, Arnold -- Tekst & Uitleg Schaijk / Tel. 0486 463112 / Fax 0486 463537 Kabelkrant Kubus / Tel. 0486 463553 Runstraat 27b Schaijk / Zie ook: http://www.uitleg.nl Dienblad http://www.dienblad.nl / Landerd op: http://www.landerd.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Apr 4 17:16:58 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148065 for opro ; Wed, 04 Apr 101 17:16:55 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 986400097:20:07050:66; Wed, 04 Apr 2001 16:01:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2006814; 4 Apr 2001 16:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f34G0Mc23991 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 17:00:22 +0100 Received: from mserv1a.vianw.co.uk (mserv1a.vianw.co.uk [195.102.240.34]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f34G0K523988 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 17:00:20 +0100 Received: from [194.119.179.59] (helo=Caslon.english.co.uk) by mserv1a.vianw.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.22 #5) id 14kphk-0000J7-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 04 Apr 2001 17:00:20 +0100 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Wed, 04 Apr 2001 16:38:39 +0100 Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 16:39:30 +0100 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: 1200 DPI Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Tekst & Uitleg wrote: > On Tue 03 Apr, Mike Williams wrote: > > In message you wrote: > > > > As far as I know the dpi is nearly always determined by the imagesetter > > software, not by the PostScript. > > > Have you searched the PostScript file for '1200 DPI'? > > Yes, I did, but didn't find anything. So I did a test with Impression > setting 2400 DPI and 1200 DPI but there did not seem to be a > difference in the two files. So I believe you are right that the > DPI is determined by the imagesetter. > > In the meantime we got this proved today. The printing-company > send the same file to a collegue where it came out the right way. So > they admitted it had to do something with their imagesetter. > Yes - as far as I know, DPI can only refer to two things (a) the resolution of the target output device (imagesetter) or (b) the resolution of any bitmap images embedded in the postscript. Neither should be of relevance to the postscript and I don't see why DPI should anywhere be specified in the postscript stream. Screensettings are, as you have confirmed, frequently over-ridden by the RIP. One area I'm not sure about is whether the routine generating the postscript uses information about the target output device to create the internal matrix used to specify placement of objects. My impression is that the workflows you see around the place in printers do a lot more messing around with the postscript than they used to. More and more work that used to be handled at the prepress stage is now often left to the RIP. Such things as CMYK conversion, downsampling of images, trapping, colour separation - all these may be left to the RIP. As a consequence, it's possible for surprises to arise at the very last stage. As a coda (I was about to say 'postscript') as more printers experiment with 'direct to plate', even film seps are skipped, imposition is handled automatically by software, and some problems may only be visible when the paper goes through the press. Not everyone seems to have caught up with the new kinds of proofing and preflight checking which are now becoming necessary. In some ways, though, it makes life easier for those of us working on Risc OS. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Apr 4 18:51:32 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148076 for opro ; Wed, 04 Apr 101 18:51:28 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 986404234:20:18893:66; Wed, 04 Apr 2001 17:10:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2114169; 4 Apr 2001 17:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f34H9QB24320 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 18:09:26 +0100 Received: from madhatter.navaho.net (IDENT:root@madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f34H9O524317 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 18:09:24 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by madhatter.navaho.net with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 14kqdE-0004Qj-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 04 Apr 2001 17:59:44 +0100 Received: from [62.188.131.25] (helo=62.188.131.25) by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.16 #4) id 14kqmb-0006cL-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 04 Apr 2001 18:09:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Dr P.N.Young" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 18:06:11 +0100 Subject: Re: POBar again Message-ID: <4a66066d69pnyoung@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <147922@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <147922@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02d (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <147922@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >Sent by private e-mail; thanks for the continued interest. > One of those gives 'bad four bar code sequence', thats the one copied by > hand. I think it can be explained away by either a copying error, or > since the original is too poor to scan [1] it is perhaps too poor to > eyeball too. > The other gives a postcode which is sort of right ZZ instead of XX. > Roger King also recently sent me an example in his case 32 became 12. > Its hard to say, clearly a bug is going to result in small differences > like this, but there also must be plenty of room for people keying data > wrongly. > It would be interesting if anyone has access to other PO bar code > software to see if they get these examples right. If you do, drop me an > email and I'll send you the rogue examples. > I did try an example from my post, and it worked fine. Thanks again, and I'll be interested to hear if anyone has nay more ideas. In the meanwhile, is it 'safe' for me to put bar-codes on my outgoing correspondence? Best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. Anne \ / __ __ \ England. Cecilia / / \ | | |\ | / _ \http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/pnyoung James / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \_____________ pnyoung@argonet.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Apr 4 18:51:33 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148077 for opro ; Wed, 04 Apr 101 18:51:28 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 986400909:10:10930:147; Wed, 04 Apr 2001 16:15:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1012596; 4 Apr 2001 16:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f34GEjF24109 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 17:14:45 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f34GEh524106 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 17:14:43 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14kpvi-0005V1-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 16:14:46 +0000 Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 14:56:10 GMT Message-Id: <148062@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Print failure X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >The print fails about 3/4 of the way through with an error message >about the area of memory being reserved for fonts being full. Dud font? After a not very helpful answer, a similar solution, convert the problem text into paths (in Draw). David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Apr 4 22:07:39 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148087 for opro ; Wed, 04 Apr 101 22:07:35 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 986416889:10:17379:67; Wed, 04 Apr 2001 20:41:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1017115; 4 Apr 2001 20:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f34Kc9p24881 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 21:38:09 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f34Kc7524878 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 21:38:07 +0100 Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 14ku2c-00048g-0U for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 21:38:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 20:31:46 +0100 Subject: Re: 1200 DPI Message-ID: <4a6613c185Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <004c01c0bc7f$6f7793f0$4d01a8c0@padua> References: <004c01c0bc7f$6f7793f0$4d01a8c0@padua> User-Agent: Pluto/2.01g (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 03 Apr, Tonnie Demarteau wrote: > Ovation Pro is default configured with the screentype/screen > 150 45 {Dot} setscreen switched on. I've also found that with my Kyocera 1750 laser printer, presence of that command causes a very pale grey shading to be applied to the entire printed page whereas turning the screen option off results in perfect output. I don't understand why though. -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Apr 5 01:47:10 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148094 for opro ; Thu, 05 Apr 101 01:47:08 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 986422998:20:28008:72; Wed, 04 Apr 2001 22:23:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2108458; 4 Apr 2001 22:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f34MMAl25267 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 23:22:10 +0100 Received: from mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.worldonline.com (mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.worldonline.com [212.74.112.72]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f34MM8525264 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 23:22:08 +0100 Received: from ppp-4-160.5800-11.access.uk.worldonline.com ([62.64.181.160] helo=ghc) by mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.worldonline.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #3) id 14kven-000NTQ-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 04 Apr 2001 23:21:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Gavin Crawford To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 23:18:22 +0100 Subject: 1200 DPI Message-ID: <4a662301f4gav@crawford-print.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02d (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >From some of the recent comments regarding PostScript files, it seems to me that many people are misunderstanding the principals of the PostScript language. The whole point of PostScript is portability. It allows the layout of a page to be 'described' in such a way, that it should be independent of any characteristics or features of any particular device. The idea is that the device used to render the page will do so according to its own capabilities and configurations. For example, a single PostScript file can be sent to 3 different devices, let's say a 300dpi mono laser printer, a 1200dpi colour laser printer, and a 3600dpi imagesetter. Each device should interpret the same data in the file and render the page in its own particular way. The colour printer could render say a red rectangle on the page, but the 300dpi mono printer would represent it as a halftone screen. Whereas the imagesetter may be set to separate the red rectangle on to the magenta and yellow plates. Problems can arise when the PostScript contains code that is specific to a particular device. If this PostScript file is then sent to a device that doesn't recognise that code or interprets it as being unacceptable then you may find that the results are not what you expected. Some devices may be 'clever' and detect that the commands are not correct for it and ignore them completely, thereby giving the impression that the device will always override the settings. Other devices may just produce an error. The important part, is that your PostScript should not contain code that makes assumptions about the features of the device, unless you are certain that the receiving device has those features and the code contains the correct commands to utilise them. So while it is obvious to most people that setting the dpi resolution from within the PostScript file, or perhaps enabling duplexing, or stapling options, is going to make that PostScript file 'device dependent' (specific to the machines features) what many people don't realise is that so does setting halftone screens. A final point I would like to emphasize is that the 'features' of a PostScript device are controlled via PostScript. So although it may appear that an imagesetter is controlled through its own software, the software will use PostScript commands to alter the setting. If these commands are present in your file they will alter the settings, unless of course they are stripped out first either by the operator or automatically by software. -- Gavin Crawford email: gav@crawford-print.co.uk web: www.crawford-print.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Apr 5 01:47:14 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148096 for opro ; Thu, 05 Apr 101 01:47:12 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 986426604:20:21710:66; Wed, 04 Apr 2001 23:23:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2021615; 4 Apr 2001 23:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f34NMkx25517 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 00:22:46 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f34NMi525514 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 00:22:44 +0100 Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14kwbu-000Eie-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 23:22:47 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 00:03:42 +0100 Subject: Re: 1200 DPI Message-ID: <4a662728beJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a662301f4gav@crawford-print.co.uk> References: <4a662301f4gav@crawford-print.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.01g (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On 04 Apr, Gavin Crawford wrote: > From some of the recent comments regarding PostScript files, it seems > to me that many people are misunderstanding the principals of the > PostScript language. > The important part, is that your PostScript should not contain code that > makes assumptions about the features of the device, unless you are > certain that the receiving device has those features and the code > contains the correct commands to utilise them. > So while it is obvious to most people that setting the dpi resolution > from within the PostScript file, or perhaps enabling duplexing, or > stapling options, is going to make that PostScript file 'device > dependent' (specific to the machines features) what many people don't > realise is that so does setting halftone screens. In my case, the "problem" is that Ovation Pro defaults to generating the setscreen command we've been talking about. Personally I've never seen anything that adequately explains what that command does far less what the subtle differences between one or more flavours of it actually are. I certainly don't understand why my printer will interpret that command and place background shading on the entire printable area of a page especially as that page doesn't contain any pictures at all. I think you're saying that screen settings are only applicable to devices that understand the concept, but in my case a mono laser printer probably should do if it has to present a colour picture in halftoning... or am I talking rubbish? -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Apr 5 13:18:00 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148112 for opro ; Thu, 05 Apr 101 13:17:58 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 986437783:10:01513:69; Thu, 05 Apr 2001 02:29:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1000263; 5 Apr 2001 2:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f352S5s26055 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 03:28:05 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f352S3526052 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 03:28:03 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14kzVF-0002Uw-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 02:28:05 +0000 Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 01:52:35 GMT Message-Id: <148098@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: 1200 DPI X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >In my case, the "problem" is that Ovation Pro defaults to generating the >setscreen command we've been talking about. It has been an unhappy episode, changing defaults, buttons that show on when they mean off. But from recent versions you should be able to set the default you want (save default document) and forget about it. >> 150 45 {Dot} setscreen switched on. >I've also found that with my Kyocera 1750 laser printer, presence of that >command Just that one, or any screen? David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Apr 5 17:29:52 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148130 for opro ; Thu, 05 Apr 101 17:29:50 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 986485194:10:06467:69; Thu, 05 Apr 2001 15:39:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1100906; 5 Apr 2001 15:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f35FcUi28074 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 16:38:30 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f35FcS528071 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 16:38:28 +0100 Received: from cbslontd.demon.co.uk ([158.152.130.98]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14lBq6-00022T-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 15:38:27 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: David J Fairweather To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 16:38:03 +0100 Subject: Re: OvPro Alternative resources Message-ID: <4a668231d6davef@cbslontd.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a651663a3Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> References: <4a6510601cdfs@ukgateway.net> <4a651663a3Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 02 Apr, Jeremy C B Nicoll wrote: > On 02 Apr, Dave Symes wrote: > > Anyone know if the Alternative OVPro resources site is still in action as > > I've not been able to connect to it for ages. > > http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ > > Cheers > > Dave S > Doesn't seem to work for me. Works fine for me - 4.30pm Thursday 5th Dave F -- David J Fairweather - Director of Operations, Europe. davef@cbslontd.demon.co.uk Snail to: CBS News 68 Knightsbridge Bowater House (0171-887-3000) London SW1X 7LL ------------------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are personal and do not represent the views or opinions of Viacom, CBS News or any other Division of CBS. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Apr 5 21:47:13 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148148 for opro ; Thu, 05 Apr 101 21:47:12 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 986492788:20:14724:66; Thu, 05 Apr 2001 17:46:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2117208; 5 Apr 2001 17:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f35HhTc28458 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 18:43:29 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f35HhR528455 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 18:43:27 +0100 Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14lDn8-000HYX-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 17:43:31 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 18:30:45 +0100 Subject: Re: 1200 DPI Message-ID: <4a668c82f0Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <148098@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <148098@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.01g (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On 05 Apr, David Pilling wrote: > >> 150 45 {Dot} setscreen switched on. > >I've also found that with my Kyocera 1750 laser printer, presence of > >that command > Just that one, or any screen? I've not tried any others; I only tried that one in the sense that I got it without having selected it in the first place. if I were to try other settings would it be the angles or the shape that you'd be interested in me trying, or variants on both? -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Apr 5 21:47:22 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148151 for opro ; Thu, 05 Apr 101 21:47:20 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 986495184:20:11469:72; Thu, 05 Apr 2001 18:26:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2011185; 5 Apr 2001 18:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f35IPrM28600 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 19:25:53 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f35IPp528597 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 19:25:51 +0100 Received: from mcfamily.demon.co.uk ([194.222.77.216]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 14lES9-0006jg-0U for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 19:25:54 +0100 Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 16:22:42 +0100 From: Andy McMullon To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Print failure Message-ID: References: <148062@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <148062@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In missive <148062@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) expounded: > >The print fails about 3/4 of the way through with an error message > >about the area of memory being reserved for fonts being full. > > Dud font? I get the same problem if I change the fonts to Trinity and Homerton. > After a not very helpful answer, a similar solution, convert the > problem text into paths (in Draw). I tried starting again with a blank sheet and not reverting to rtf import this time! This appeared to work - except that the frame borders are only printed out horizontally at the best (700dpi) resolution. If I revert to 360 dpi I get the verticals as well! How weird is that? So now, to get reasonable quality I'm printing out the frame borders at 360dpi and then changing up to 700 dpi to print out the internal bits. My printer is a Canon 6100 with Explan's driver. -- skypilot@bigfoot.com / andy@mcfamily.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Apr 5 21:47:24 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148152 for opro ; Thu, 05 Apr 101 21:47:23 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 986502708:20:01579:67; Thu, 05 Apr 2001 20:31:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2125965; 5 Apr 2001 20:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f35KV2228989 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 21:31:02 +0100 Received: from norwegia.access.ch (mail.access.ch [195.112.71.134]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f35KV0528986 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 21:31:00 +0100 Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (megapop2-12.access.ch [212.161.128.76]) by norwegia.access.ch (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA02394 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 22:31:02 +0200 Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 22:22:48 +0200 (BST) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: OvPro Alternative resources To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <4a651663a3Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: tevens Secretariaat Stichting Van Vredenburch X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 02 Apr, Jeremy C B Nicoll wrote: > On 02 Apr, Dave Symes wrote: > > Anyone know if the Alternative OVPro resources site is still in action as > > I've not been able to connect to it for ages. > > http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ > > > Cheers > > Dave S > > Doesn't seem to work for me. I had repeated immediate connection within seconds using the above link. Greetings JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch tel +41 41 3706125 | RiscOS Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Apr 5 23:02:14 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148159 for opro ; Thu, 05 Apr 101 23:02:04 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 986505313:10:26402:67; Thu, 05 Apr 2001 21:15:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1101464; 5 Apr 2001 21:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f35LDum29198 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 22:13:56 +0100 Received: from warrior-outbound.servers.plus.net ([212.159.14.227]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id f35LDs529195 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 22:13:54 +0100 Received: (qmail 20587 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2001 21:13:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (212.159.20.184) by warrior with SMTP; 5 Apr 2001 21:13:47 -0000 Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 21:51:41 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: 1200 DPI To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <4a662301f4gav@crawford-print.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Wed 04 Apr, Gavin Crawford wrote: > So while it is obvious to most people that setting the dpi resolution from > within the PostScript file, or perhaps enabling duplexing, or stapling > options, is going to make that PostScript file 'device dependent' (specific > to the machines features) what many people don't realise is that so does > setting halftone screens. > Surely half-tone screens *should* be settable within Postscript as the deciding factor for the appropriate halftone screen is the printing process *not* the imagesetter (paper surface is the primary factor I think). Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Apr 5 23:02:15 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148160 for opro ; Thu, 05 Apr 101 23:02:04 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 986506512:20:23386:70; Thu, 05 Apr 2001 21:35:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2106553; 5 Apr 2001 21:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f35LYXu29378 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 22:34:33 +0100 Received: from norwegia.access.ch (mail.access.ch [195.112.71.134]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f35LYV529375 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 22:34:31 +0100 Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (megapop2-57.access.ch [212.161.128.121]) by norwegia.access.ch (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA06289 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 23:34:32 +0200 Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 23:26:26 +0200 (BST) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: Print failure To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: tevens Secretariaat Stichting Van Vredenburch X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro The question is: where is the problem? On Thu 05 Apr, Andy McMullon wrote: > In missive <148062@pilling.demon.co.uk> > opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) expounded: > > > >The print fails about 3/4 of the way through with an error message > > >about the area of memory being reserved for fonts being full. > > > > Dud font? No, I do not think so. A common experience when using !FontView and you view too many fonts in too short a time. > > I get the same problem if I change the fonts to Trinity and Homerton. Is of no importance. The font area is too full, so the problem remains. Sometimes waiting a few minutes helps, otherwise delete the font area by dragging the the 'Font cache' in the Tasks window down to zero and then back up again to a decent size (I suggest at least 1000K) > > > After a not very helpful answer, a similar solution, convert the > > problem text into paths (in Draw). > snip First: check that you have enough memory reserved for fonts. If the problem remains, then: Try to 'print to file' first: (Iconbar>Printers>Printercontrol>Connection..., select File!). Resulting most probably in a file named 'Printout'. Then reset to print to 'Parallel' (or 'Direct drive' if you have a LBP4 direct drive laser printer) and drag the 'Printout' file to 'Printers' on the icon bar. At present I never had this problem with OvPro but do have it with Fireworkz when having to print 60+pages as double-sided document. I now manage using the routine stated above. I do not know where the problem lies. It could possibly be because of my printer set up (Computer Concepts turbo and direct drive software), or me not using the latest Printer's version (I have v1.62, not sure where to find v1.64), or maybe a combination of things. Including bugs somewhere. But where? If the 'Printing-to-file' routine des not work, send me directly a copy of your file. I'll then test it out on a Canon 7100. And let you know. Greetings, JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch tel +41 41 3706125 | RiscOS Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Apr 5 23:02:21 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148161 for opro ; Thu, 05 Apr 101 23:02:17 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 986505321:10:26793:66; Thu, 05 Apr 2001 21:15:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1101627; 5 Apr 2001 21:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f35LE0Z29202 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 22:14:00 +0100 Received: from warrior-outbound.servers.plus.net ([212.159.14.227]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id f35LDw529199 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 22:13:58 +0100 Received: (qmail 20664 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2001 21:13:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (212.159.20.184) by warrior with SMTP; 5 Apr 2001 21:13:51 -0000 Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 21:43:05 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: Print failure To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Thu 05 Apr, Andy McMullon wrote: > In missive <148062@pilling.demon.co.uk> > opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) expounded: > > > >The print fails about 3/4 of the way through with an error message > > >about the area of memory being reserved for fonts being full. > > > > Dud font? > > I get the same problem if I change the fonts to Trinity and Homerton. > > > After a not very helpful answer, a similar solution, convert the > > problem text into paths (in Draw). > > I tried starting again with a blank sheet and not reverting to rtf > import this time! > > This appeared to work - except that the frame borders are only printed > out horizontally at the best (700dpi) resolution. If I revert to 360 > dpi I get the verticals as well! How weird is that? So now, to get > reasonable quality I'm printing out the frame borders at 360dpi and > then changing up to 700 dpi to print out the internal bits. > > My printer is a Canon 6100 with Explan's driver. > What is the frame thickness? If set to Thin I think it will be one dot on the printer - maybe the printer has different horizontal and vertical resolutions at the top of the range (360x720 for example) so the horizontal lines are the same thickness as at 360x360 but the verticals are half as thick and not visible? or are positioned "between" the dots of the printer at the higher resolution? I have known Thin or hairlines which printed fine on a 300dpi laser disappearing at 1270dpi on an imagesetter. Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Apr 6 01:51:47 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148167 for opro ; Fri, 06 Apr 101 01:51:45 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 986508046:10:00054:69; Thu, 05 Apr 2001 22:00:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1107181; 5 Apr 2001 22:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f35Lxur29553 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 22:59:56 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f35Lxr529550 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 22:59:53 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14lHnI-000D40-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 21:59:56 +0000 Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 22:00:53 GMT Message-Id: <148157@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: 1200 DPI X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I've not tried any others; I only tried that one in the sense that I got >it without having selected it in the first place. if I were to try other >settings would it be the angles or the shape that you'd be interested in >me trying, or variants on both? Oh just a different spot name, just in case your printer suffers from disliking the 'Dot' one like RiscScript is alleged to. To put it another way if it goes wrong with a different spot, then its a different problem to the RiscScript thing. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Apr 6 01:51:47 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148168 for opro ; Fri, 06 Apr 101 01:51:45 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 986508030:20:17801:66; Thu, 05 Apr 2001 22:00:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2017449; 5 Apr 2001 22:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f35LxrX29548 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 22:59:53 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f35Lxp529545 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 22:59:51 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14lHnG-000D40-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 21:59:54 +0000 Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 21:58:11 GMT Message-Id: <148155@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Print failure X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I tried starting again with a blank sheet and not reverting to rtf >import this time! >This appeared to work RTF import can produce zero height text. I wonder if that was it. Save as DDL and eyeball may let you locate it. > - except that the frame borders are only printed >out horizontally at the best (700dpi) resolution. If I revert to 360 >dpi I get the verticals as well! There are hints that very high resolution RISC OS raster printing goes wrong. This is not an OPro problem (I hasten to reassure myself). One suggestion is to remove the ArtWorks applet. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Apr 6 01:51:52 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148170 for opro ; Fri, 06 Apr 101 01:51:48 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 986508044:20:18706:66; Thu, 05 Apr 2001 22:00:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2116101; 5 Apr 2001 22:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f35M0LY29575 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 23:00:21 +0100 Received: from mserv1b.vianw.co.uk (mserv1b.vianw.co.uk [195.102.240.137]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f35M0G529571 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 23:00:16 +0100 Received: from [194.119.179.59] (helo=Caslon.english.co.uk) by mserv1b.vianw.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.22 #5) id 14lHnd-0002qx-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 05 Apr 2001 23:00:18 +0100 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Thu, 05 Apr 2001 22:42:54 +0100 Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 22:43:47 +0100 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Print failure Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Andy McMullon wrote: > In missive <148062@pilling.demon.co.uk> > opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) expounded: > > > >The print fails about 3/4 of the way through with an error message > > >about the area of memory being reserved for fonts being full. > > > > Dud font? > > I get the same problem if I change the fonts to Trinity and Homerton. > > > After a not very helpful answer, a similar solution, convert the > > problem text into paths (in Draw). > > I tried starting again with a blank sheet and not reverting to rtf > import this time! > > This appeared to work - except that the frame borders are only printed > out horizontally at the best (700dpi) resolution. If I revert to 360 > dpi I get the verticals as well! How weird is that? So now, to get > reasonable quality I'm printing out the frame borders at 360dpi and > then changing up to 700 dpi to print out the internal bits. > > My printer is a Canon 6100 with Explan's driver. > Is the thickness of your frame borders by any chance set to 'thin'? This is always to be avoided because 'thin' means the thinnest line which can be resolved on the output device. If you have a high res output device, the line can disappear. An inkjet printer may have different vertical and horiz resolutions. Just a thought, David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Apr 6 01:51:56 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148171 for opro ; Fri, 06 Apr 101 01:51:53 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 986516566:10:03709:68; Fri, 06 Apr 2001 00:22:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1106100; 6 Apr 2001 0:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f360M6s30322 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 01:22:06 +0100 Received: from mail12.svr.pol.co.uk (mail12.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.215]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f360M3530315 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 01:22:04 +0100 Received: from modem-26.arsenic.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.32.26] helo=ghc) by mail12.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 14lK0s-0007gz-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 06 Apr 2001 01:22:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Gavin Crawford To: Ovation Pro List Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 00:29:57 +0100 Subject: Re: 1200 DPI Message-ID: <4a66ad65ffgav@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4a662301f4gav@crawford-print.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02d (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Anthony Hilton wrote: > In on Wed 04 Apr, Gavin Crawford wrote: >> So while it is obvious to most people that setting the dpi resolution >> from within the PostScript file, or perhaps enabling duplexing, or >> stapling options, is going to make that PostScript file 'device >> dependent' (specific to the machines features) what many people don't >> realise is that so does setting halftone screens. > Surely half-tone screens *should* be settable within Postscript as the > deciding factor for the appropriate halftone screen is the printing > process *not* the imagesetter (paper surface is the primary factor I > think). I'm not saying that the halftone settings should not be set in the PostScript, what I am saying is that people should be aware that by doing so they make the PostScript file 'device dependent'. The Halftone screen settings determine how the device should render the page[1]. If the settings are 'outside' the device's accepted parameters then you wont get the results you expected. Which was the situation that started this thread. i.e the imagesetter was operating at 1200dpi and changed from the requested 150lpi to a 'safer' working parameter of around 100lpi. So the setting should only be in the PostScript if you _KNOW_ they are correct for the device. As usual the best advice is talk to the device operator before you make any costly mistakes. [1] Not all PostScript devices use Halftone screening effects. -- Gavin Crawford email: gav@crawford-print.co.uk web: www.crawford-print.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Apr 6 01:51:56 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148172 for opro ; Fri, 06 Apr 101 01:51:53 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 986508556:20:07918:68; Thu, 05 Apr 2001 22:09:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2007874; 5 Apr 2001 22:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f35M8xW29732 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 23:08:59 +0100 Received: from madhatter.navaho.net (IDENT:root@madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f35M8v529729 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 23:08:57 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by madhatter.navaho.net with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 14lHmc-0004Fr-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 05 Apr 2001 22:59:15 +0100 Received: from [62.188.151.128] (helo=62.188.151.128) by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.16 #4) id 14lHw2-0004xo-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 05 Apr 2001 23:08:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Ward To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 19:58:21 +0100 Subject: Re: Print failure Message-ID: <4a66948818johnward@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <148062@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article , Andy McMullon wrote: > I tried starting again with a blank sheet and not reverting to rtf > import this time! > > This appeared to work - except that the frame borders are only printed > out horizontally at the best (700dpi) resolution. If I revert to 360 > dpi I get the verticals as well! How weird is that? It suggests that the line width might be that undefined "thin" size -- an old problem with !Draw's default line width that seems to pop up elsewhere when Draw objects are used. It is worth checking those objects' line widths and changing them to 0.25pt or 0.5pt if they are "thin" lines. This ought to solve the printing problem. -- John M Ward : ZFC B and a member of Convergence International --> Helping to crack RC5-64 with an Acorn RiscPC 600/SA -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Apr 6 01:51:59 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148173 for opro ; Fri, 06 Apr 101 01:51:57 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 986516566:10:03802:66; Fri, 06 Apr 2001 00:22:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1106093; 6 Apr 2001 0:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f360M9d30323 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 01:22:09 +0100 Received: from mail12.svr.pol.co.uk (mail12.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.215]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f360M5530319 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 01:22:05 +0100 Received: from modem-26.arsenic.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.32.26] helo=ghc) by mail12.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 14lK0u-0007gz-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 06 Apr 2001 01:22:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Gavin Crawford To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 01:10:06 +0100 Subject: Re: 1200 DPI Message-ID: <4a66b112bfgav@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a662728beJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> References: <4a662301f4gav@crawford-print.co.uk> <4a662728beJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02d (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4a662728beJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk>, Jeremy C B Nicoll wrote: > In my case, the "problem" is that Ovation Pro defaults to generating > the setscreen command we've been talking about. Personally I've never > seen anything that adequately explains what that command does far less > what the subtle differences between one or more flavours of it actually > are. For an full explanation you could refer to the PostScript Language Reference Manual by Adobe Systems Inc. (published by Addison-Wesley Publishing Company). The third edition is available in PDF format from: http://partners.adobe.com/asn/developer/technotes/postscript.html > I think you're saying that screen settings are only applicable to > devices that understand the concept, Yes > but in my case a mono laser printer probably should do if it has to > present a colour picture in halftoning. Yes it should, but if the settings are too high for it, which is possible at 150lpi, then this may be the cause of your problem. If you have the Windows or Mac drivers for it you may be able to get the information from them. One way is to install the driver on a Windows machine, set the available settings and print to file. Load the file into a text editor find the PS commands that control the halftones. The other way is to look on the driver disc and see if you can see a file that ends with a .PPD file extension. This is the PostScript Printer Description file and will contain all the code to control the device. Load it into a text editor and search for 'screen' when you find the required code you could then hack the Opro code in !ColSupp. > ... or am I talking rubbish? The question is... am I :) -- Gavin Crawford email: gav@crawford-print.co.uk web: www.crawford-print.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Apr 6 13:50:13 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148180 for opro ; Fri, 06 Apr 101 13:50:09 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 986518596:20:25640:66; Fri, 06 Apr 2001 00:56:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2123885; 6 Apr 2001 0:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f360sgM30582 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 01:54:42 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f360sd530577 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 01:54:40 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14lKWR-000P1d-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 00:54:43 +0000 Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 01:53:54 GMT Message-Id: <148177@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Lock to line space grid X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Impression has a feature called "Lock to line space grid" which lines up >text in columns next to each other. Has Ov Pro got such a feature and if >so how do you implement it? Yes there is such a feature. The 'base line grid'. You set this up using document preferences. You lock text to it by selecting 'lock to grid' on the Format window. Finally there is a view option that lets you see it. Please could you post to the list from the address you're subscribed with... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Apr 6 13:50:17 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148181 for opro ; Fri, 06 Apr 101 13:50:15 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 986518601:20:26022:67; Fri, 06 Apr 2001 00:56:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2123886; 6 Apr 2001 0:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f360seA30581 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 01:54:40 +0100 Received: from mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (mta06-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.46]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f35Mu8530093 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 23:56:08 +0100 Received: from localhost ([213.104.88.132]) by mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with SMTP id <20010405225611.HFRE285.mta06-svc.ntlworld.com@localhost> for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 23:56:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Kipppers To: Ov Pro Mail List Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 23:55:38 +0100 Subject: Lock to line space grid Message-ID: <4a66aa41bekippers@ntlworld.com> User-Agent: Pluto/1.14i (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Impression has a feature called "Lock to line space grid" which lines up text in columns next to each other. Has Ov Pro got such a feature and if so how do you implement it? If not is there any way of achieving the same effect? -- ____ _ _____ | _ \(_)/ ___) | |_) | | / | __// | \___ |_|(___/ \_____) Paul Cakebread E-mail kippers@ntlworld.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Apr 6 13:50:21 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148183 for opro ; Fri, 06 Apr 101 13:50:19 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 986557103:20:12814:66; Fri, 06 Apr 2001 11:38:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2012569; 6 Apr 2001 11:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f36BZOF32361 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 12:35:24 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f36BZL532358 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 12:35:21 +0100 Received: from mcfamily.demon.co.uk ([194.222.77.216]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 14lUWS-0000jT-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 11:35:24 +0000 Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 12:26:07 +0100 From: Andy McMullon To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Print failure Message-ID: <28f7ee664a.andy@mcfamily.demon.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In missive David Graddol expounded: > Is the thickness of your frame borders by any chance set to 'thin'? This > is always to be avoided because 'thin' means the thinnest line which can > be resolved on the output device. If you have a high res output device, > the line can disappear. An inkjet printer may have different vertical > and horiz resolutions. Just a thought, The frame borders are set to "design size" which is 3.25mm (the last of the standard borders on the menu. -- skypilot@bigfoot.com / andy@mcfamily.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Apr 6 13:50:24 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148184 for opro ; Fri, 06 Apr 101 13:50:22 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 986556979:10:07118:74; Fri, 06 Apr 2001 11:36:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1122970; 6 Apr 2001 11:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f36BZVu32371 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 12:35:31 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f36BZS532367 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 12:35:28 +0100 Received: from mcfamily.demon.co.uk ([194.222.77.216]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 14lUWa-0000jT-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 11:35:32 +0000 Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 12:30:30 +0100 From: Andy McMullon To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Printers pairs Message-ID: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Can someone explain the function of Printers Pairs in the print options. This does half of what I want, ie prints out an A4 sheet sideways at B5 size. Then it waits hangs for ages printing nothing on a seperate sheet. I can get the second of the sheets printed on the second half of the sheet by putting the paper back into the printer. What I'd really like is pamphlet printing that's flexible enough to let me choose to print two page 1's sideways on an A4 page (like wot Fireworkz can do!). Printer BJC-7100 (Photoreal driver). -- skypilot@bigfoot.com / andy@mcfamily.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Apr 6 13:50:26 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148186 for opro ; Fri, 06 Apr 101 13:50:25 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 986556985:10:07545:67; Fri, 06 Apr 2001 11:36:25 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1123110; 6 Apr 2001 11:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f36BZUc32370 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 12:35:30 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f36BZR532363 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 12:35:27 +0100 Received: from mcfamily.demon.co.uk ([194.222.77.216]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 14lUWY-0000jT-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 11:35:30 +0000 Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 12:24:11 +0100 From: Andy McMullon To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Print failure Message-ID: References: <148155@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <148155@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In missive <148155@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) expounded: > There are hints that very high resolution RISC OS raster printing goes wrong. > This is not an OPro problem (I hasten to reassure myself). One suggestion is > to remove the ArtWorks applet. Which I don't have. -- skypilot@bigfoot.com / andy@mcfamily.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Apr 6 16:12:09 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148199 for opro ; Fri, 06 Apr 101 16:12:05 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 986568951:20:21424:66; Fri, 06 Apr 2001 14:55:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2128130; 6 Apr 2001 14:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f36EtFu00659 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 15:55:15 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f36EtD500656 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 15:55:13 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14lXds-0001FF-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 14:55:16 +0000 Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 13:55:36 GMT Message-Id: <148190@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Printers pairs X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Can someone explain the function of Printers Pairs in the print >options. Pretty trivial actually, it might be called "pamphlet printing for those who can't be bothered to change the print scale" - because thats all it is. >What I'd really like is pamphlet printing that's flexible enough to >let me choose to print two page 1's sideways on an A4 page (like wot >Fireworkz can do!). No problem, use the 'Thumbnails' print format. This is only available if you've got the Imposition applet installed. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Apr 6 16:12:13 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148200 for opro ; Fri, 06 Apr 101 16:12:12 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 986568984:20:22982:72; Fri, 06 Apr 2001 14:56:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2021988; 6 Apr 2001 14:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f36EtIa00664 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 15:55:18 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f36EtG500661 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 15:55:16 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14lXdu-0001FF-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 14:55:19 +0000 Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 13:58:26 GMT Message-Id: <148192@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Print failure X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >> One suggestion is to remove the ArtWorks applet. >Which I don't have. Well you've got it, but hopefully not in your Applets folder inside !OvnPro. As I've said, various high resolution printing problems have come up before. It would be good to have an actual example, if only so one can see where the problem is, the best basis for that is output to SPrinter (see my web site) because it is relatively simple and independent of hardware. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Apr 7 01:57:04 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148217 for opro ; Sat, 07 Apr 101 01:57:02 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 986589707:20:08451:74; Fri, 06 Apr 2001 20:41:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2007917; 6 Apr 2001 20:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f36Kdql01597 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 21:39:52 +0100 Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (IDENT:root@madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f36Kdn501594 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 21:39:50 +0100 Received: from [62.188.28.14] (helo=62.188.28.14) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 14ld0C-0002xR-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 06 Apr 2001 21:38:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: David Breakwell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 22:04:07 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: OvPro Alternative resources Message-ID: <4a6621b453davidb@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a651663a3Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> References: <4a6510601cdfs@ukgateway.net> <4a651663a3Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In