From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Mar 1 14:21:31 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA146544 for opro ; Thu, 01 Mar 101 14:21:29 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 983451159:20:26540:41; Thu, 01 Mar 2001 12:52:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2027551; 1 Mar 2001 12:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA13621 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 12:47:18 GMT Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA13618 for ; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 12:47:15 GMT Received: from mk-net.demon.co.uk ([194.222.12.18] helo=Tonys) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 14YSUG-000E4g-0W for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 12:47:16 +0000 Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 12:13:52 GMT From: Tony van der Hoff To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Backup copy in 'other' format Message-ID: <083e69544a.Tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk> References: <9a9255544a%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <9a9255544a%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> X-Organization: CCC User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <9a9255544a%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> David Graddol wrote: > Jeremy C B Nicoll wrote: > > > > Maybe there's an applet that does the next thing anyway, but it would be > > useful to have an option for successive saves to create incremented > > document names, so no user-initiated save would overwrite the previously > > saved doc (I don't think I'll ever fill my newest hard disc -- says he, > > the same I've though for every previous HD). I'm not sure if this should > > be as well as or instead of the current autosave mechanism; there have > > been a few times that autosave has popped to life just after I > > accidentally mangled the document... IIRC the autosave dialog needs a > > confirmatory OK (or cancel?) but I've found that if I'm not looking at > > the screen and press CR at the wrong moment the autosave saves (or > > cancels when I didn't want it to) and AAAaaaaarrrrggghhh! > > > > An option to autosave with incremental naming would be a useful feature. > When we are producing a magazine or book we always do this manually - > sometimes reaching 50 or so versions before we're finished. It only > takes one mistaken save to overwrite weeks of work. And sometimes, there > is material in earlier versions that we need to revert to. > I rather like the way Zap does this. It looks in the target directory for backup subdirectories named ~1, ~2, etc, and if these exist, then the old version of the file gets moved into the backup directory containing the oldest version of the source. That way, you decide how many backups you want to keep. -- Tony van der Hoff | MailTo:tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk | MailTo:avanderhoff@iee.org Buckinghamshire, England | http:mk-net.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Mar 1 14:22:14 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA146546 for opro ; Thu, 01 Mar 101 14:22:12 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 983423917:10:09848:13; Thu, 01 Mar 2001 05:18:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1009823; 1 Mar 2001 5:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA12313 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 05:12:35 GMT Received: from snowy.kiwilink.co.nz (snowy.kiwilink.co.nz [202.27.215.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA12310 for ; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 05:12:31 GMT Received: from timk.ns.planet.gen.nz (ppp-44.kiwilink.co.nz [202.27.215.110]) by snowy.kiwilink.co.nz (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id f215B9I29588 for ; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 18:11:09 +1300 (NZDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tim King To: Ovation Pro Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 18:14:24 +1200 Subject: Re: OvationPro and the AppletsManager Message-ID: <4a5448550btim@de-sig.co.nz> In-Reply-To: References: <002801c0a16d$3c02fd70$4d01a8c0@padua> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , David Love wrote: > On Wed 28 Feb, Tonnie Demarteau wrote: > > On Wed, 19 Feb, David Love wrote: >> I assume you want them both open to have information ready about >> the applets. > Yes, but on reflection I ask myself "Why is it necessary?" :-) Exactly. You only need it when a new applet comes along (or 1 is upgraded), or you want to activate something not used all the time (like IndexPro). It makes it easy to run with the minimum set of applets to have OP load faster. Either way, you'll use it *before* OP is loaded. Keep them separate. The Menon way is good. Tim -- Tim King... de-Sig. +64 9 478.3114 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Mar 1 14:22:17 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA146547 for opro ; Thu, 01 Mar 101 14:22:15 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 983423929:10:10160:13; Thu, 01 Mar 2001 05:18:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1010097; 1 Mar 2001 5:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA12359 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 05:16:57 GMT Received: from smtp01.fields.gol.com (smtp01.fields.gol.com [203.216.5.131]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA12356 for ; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 05:16:53 GMT Received: from tc-1-2-032.shinjuku.gol.ne.jp ([203.216.9.32] helo=plattir.gol.com) by smtp01.fields.gol.com with smtp (Magnetic Fields) id 14YLSE-0005AT-00 for ; Thu, 01 Mar 2001 14:16:43 +0900 Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 12:03:15 +0000 (GMT) From: "Ian R. Platt" Subject: Re: Backup copy in 'other' format To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <4a53ff31b6Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] X-Abuse-Complaints: abuse@gol.com Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 28 Feb, Jeremy C B Nicoll wrote: > On 28 Feb, Tonnie Demarteau wrote: > > > Paul Sprangers reported about a possible irrecoverable, corrupted OvPro > > document ... > > > Fortunately I haven't had a very serious crash with Ovation Pro. I had > > it more than once with the single file format saving in Impression. In (Snip) > If that's going to be done I'd like it to be possible to define the > default save-type for a document as well, (Snip) > there have > been a few times that autosave has popped to life just after I > accidentally mangled the document... IIRC the autosave dialog needs a > confirmatory OK (or cancel?) but I've found that if I'm not looking at > the screen and press CR at the wrong moment the autosave saves (or > cancels when I didn't want it to) and AAAaaaaarrrrggghhh! > > In my view the autosave confirm/cancel should *not* accept CR and > continue; I know this would be against style standards But, IIRC, the 'restart' button in the closedown screen doesn't conform either, anyway so it's hardly breaking rules anew. Ian P. (who can't be bothered to shut his RO4.02 down to check, so may be doing an inverted locution) -- Ian Platt Risc OS4 + StrongARM = UK technology. Continuing to 'think differently':-) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Mar 1 14:22:23 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA146549 for opro ; Thu, 01 Mar 101 14:22:21 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 983438227:10:24997:13; Thu, 01 Mar 2001 09:17:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1024657; 1 Mar 2001 9:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA12941 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 09:00:10 GMT Received: from mserv1a.vianw.co.uk (mserv1a.vianw.co.uk [195.102.240.34]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA12938 for ; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 09:00:07 GMT Received: from [194.119.179.59] (helo=Caslon.english.co.uk) by mserv1a.vianw.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.22 #5) id 14YOwR-0007OU-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 01 Mar 2001 09:00:08 +0000 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Thu, 01 Mar 2001 08:38:57 +0000 Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 08:39:01 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Backup copy in 'other' format Message-ID: <9a9255544a%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a53ff31b6Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Jeremy C B Nicoll wrote: > Maybe there's an applet that does the next thing anyway, but it would be > useful to have an option for successive saves to create incremented > document names, so no user-initiated save would overwrite the previously > saved doc (I don't think I'll ever fill my newest hard disc -- says he, > the same I've though for every previous HD). I'm not sure if this should > be as well as or instead of the current autosave mechanism; there have > been a few times that autosave has popped to life just after I > accidentally mangled the document... IIRC the autosave dialog needs a > confirmatory OK (or cancel?) but I've found that if I'm not looking at > the screen and press CR at the wrong moment the autosave saves (or > cancels when I didn't want it to) and AAAaaaaarrrrggghhh! > An option to autosave with incremental naming would be a useful feature. When we are producing a magazine or book we always do this manually - sometimes reaching 50 or so versions before we're finished. It only takes one mistaken save to overwrite weeks of work. And sometimes, there is material in earlier versions that we need to revert to. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Mar 1 21:33:49 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA146562 for opro ; Thu, 01 Mar 101 21:33:46 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 983475054:20:21216:23; Thu, 01 Mar 2001 19:30:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2102568; 1 Mar 2001 19:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA14612 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 19:23:57 GMT Received: from mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (mta05-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.45]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA14609 for ; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 19:23:55 GMT Received: from gwen ([62.255.36.202]) by mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with SMTP id <20010301192355.BNVF272.mta05-svc.ntlworld.com@gwen> for ; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 19:23:55 +0000 From: "Nick Kaijaks" To: Subject: RE: Backup copy in 'other' format Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 19:22:35 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <4a53ff31b6Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Jeremy C B Nicoll wrote: > Maybe there's an applet that does the next thing anyway, but it would be > useful to have an option for successive saves to create incremented > document names, so no user-initiated save would overwrite the previously > saved doc (I don't think I'll ever fill my newest hard disc -- says he, Jolly good idea this, I thought. For ages, I've been doing it manually, but it seems like a good candidate for mechanisation. So, I've knocked together a quick'n'dirty applet that does this. Download from: http://www.kaijaks.co.uk/it/incsave.zip or navigate to the IT section from my Web page (address in .sig). Undoubtedly the code could be better but it seems to work. Will need long filenames unless you want to limit yourself to 6 chars ;-0 > the same I've though for every previous HD). I'm not sure if this should > be as well as or instead of the current autosave mechanism; there have Could be integrated into someone's autosave applet fairly easily, I'd guess - just change the appropriate line from savedocument() to save_incremented() once my applet is installed. Equally can go into a key macro, defined as {save_incremented()}. Cheers, Nick -- Dr Nick Kaijaks, Pinxit Design - Information Design for Internet and print http://www.kaijaks.co.uk/ mailto:nick@kaijaks.co.uk Disclaimer: caveat internettor -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Mar 1 21:33:54 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA146564 for opro ; Thu, 01 Mar 101 21:33:51 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 983476246:20:20531:16; Thu, 01 Mar 2001 19:50:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2108290; 1 Mar 2001 19:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA14707 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 19:48:24 GMT Received: from mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (mta07-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.47]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA14703 for ; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 19:48:22 GMT Received: from pbready ([62.252.152.45]) by mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with SMTP id <20010301194822.UBLG281.mta07-svc.ntlworld.com@pbready> for ; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 19:48:22 +0000 Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 19:48:15 GMT From: Pete Bready To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Backup copy in 'other' format Message-ID: References: <9a9255544a%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> <083e69544a.Tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <083e69544a.Tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <083e69544a.Tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk> Tony van der Hoff wrote: > In message <9a9255544a%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> > David Graddol wrote: > > > Jeremy C B Nicoll wrote: > > > > > > > Maybe there's an applet that does the next thing anyway, but it would be > > > useful to have an option for successive saves to create incremented > > > document names, so no user-initiated save would overwrite the previously > > > saved doc (I don't think I'll ever fill my newest hard disc -- says he, > > > the same I've though for every previous HD). I'm not sure if this should > > > be as well as or instead of the current autosave mechanism; there have > > > been a few times that autosave has popped to life just after I > > > accidentally mangled the document... IIRC the autosave dialog needs a > > > confirmatory OK (or cancel?) but I've found that if I'm not looking at > > > the screen and press CR at the wrong moment the autosave saves (or > > > cancels when I didn't want it to) and AAAaaaaarrrrggghhh! > > > > > > > An option to autosave with incremental naming would be a useful feature. > > When we are producing a magazine or book we always do this manually - > > sometimes reaching 50 or so versions before we're finished. It only > > takes one mistaken save to overwrite weeks of work. And sometimes, there > > is material in earlier versions that we need to revert to. > > > I rather like the way Zap does this. It looks in the target directory for > backup subdirectories named ~1, ~2, etc, and if these exist, then the old > version of the file gets moved into the backup directory containing the > oldest version of the source. That way, you decide how many backups you want > to keep. I prefer the use of generation numbers such as were/are implemented in ICL'S George3 and VME mainframe systems, where the file generation number is generally increased by 1 for each new version - that way, a filename without a qualifying generation refers to the latest, file(-1) to the previous etc I posted such a suggestion to the RiscOS wishlist, as it would be nice if this was a configurable feature of a filing system rather than one product or other. -- Pete Bready, Glasgow pbready@ntlworld.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Mar 1 21:33:57 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA146565 for opro ; Thu, 01 Mar 101 21:33:55 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 983481636:20:09003:13; Thu, 01 Mar 2001 21:20:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2008968; 1 Mar 2001 21:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA15066 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 21:18:17 GMT Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA15063 for ; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 21:18:14 GMT Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 14YaSl-000798-0Y for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 21:18:15 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 21:13:45 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Backup copy in 'other' format Message-ID: <4a549aabcaJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <9a9255544a%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> <083e69544a.Tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.01g (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 01 Mar, Pete Bready wrote: > I prefer the use of generation numbers such as were/are implemented in > ICL'S George3 and VME mainframe systems, where the file generation > number is generally increased by 1 for each new version - that way, a > filename without a qualifying generation refers to the latest, file(-1) > to the previous etc > I posted such a suggestion to the RiscOS wishlist, as it would be nice > if this was a configurable feature of a filing system rather than one > product or other. Indeed. Generation Data Groups (GDG's) are an essential part of MVS (or OS/390 these days) file storage subsystem (DF/SMS) and works in conjunction with the system catalogs (which are basically lists of file names vv their locations - files on these systems don't have path-based names like ours do, and a file can be moved around from tape to disk to somewhere else without references to it needing to be changed by the users. Thus user names like file.name(0) for the most current version, file.name(-1) for the previous one etc, and file.name(+1) when one is creating a new instance... Once the new instance is created the system updates the relative pointers so that it is now the (0) version and the others move down one slot and the very oldest eventually falls off the end of the list. There's a lot of work in creating something like that and a while I'd agree that it would be great if RO 4.x or 5.y had system support for something like this, who wants to wait that long. I'd be happy if a simple incrementing file-id mechanism could be built for OP first. -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Mar 2 02:43:15 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA146571 for opro ; Fri, 02 Mar 101 02:43:12 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 983487034:20:22029:16; Thu, 01 Mar 2001 22:50:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2022020; 1 Mar 2001 22:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA15382 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 22:48:22 GMT Received: from mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (mta05-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.45]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA15379 for ; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 22:48:20 GMT Received: from pbready ([62.253.9.12]) by mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with SMTP id <20010301224820.ELUJ272.mta05-svc.ntlworld.com@pbready> for ; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 22:48:20 +0000 Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 22:47:25 GMT From: Pete Bready To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Backup copy in 'other' format Message-ID: References: <9a9255544a%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> <083e69544a.Tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk> <4a549aabcaJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a549aabcaJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <4a549aabcaJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> Jeremy C B Nicoll wrote: > On 01 Mar, Pete Bready wrote: > > > I prefer the use of generation numbers such as were/are implemented in > > ICL'S George3 and VME mainframe systems, where the file generation > > number is generally increased by 1 for each new version - that way, a > > filename without a qualifying generation refers to the latest, file(-1) > > to the previous etc > > > I posted such a suggestion to the RiscOS wishlist, as it would be nice > > if this was a configurable feature of a filing system rather than one > > product or other. > > Indeed. Generation Data Groups (GDG's) are an essential part of MVS (or > OS/390 these days) file storage subsystem (DF/SMS) and works in > conjunction with the system catalogs (which are basically lists of file > names vv their locations - files on these systems don't have path-based > names like ours do, and a file can be moved around from tape to disk to > somewhere else without references to it needing to be changed by the > users. Thus user names like file.name(0) for the most current version, > file.name(-1) for the previous one etc, and file.name(+1) when one is > creating a new instance... Once the new instance is created the system > updates the relative pointers so that it is now the (0) version and the > others move down one slot and the very oldest eventually falls off the > end of the list. > > There's a lot of work in creating something like that and a while I'd > agree that it would be great if RO 4.x or 5.y had system support for > something like this, who wants to wait that long. > > I'd be happy if a simple incrementing file-id mechanism could be built > for OP first. > I suppose OP would be a start, but given I was used to this some twenty years ago, it's disappointing to see it not carried forward into new filing systems. Don't know if I'd agree if there's a tremendous amount of work in it - opening a file for read would by default use the latest gen, and opening for write might create a new gen - OK maybe, it's a bit late in the evening, what with reminiscing and having downed almost a bottle of a very palatable red... Doesn't it annoy you, all the same, when vendors start talking about these 'innovations', multi-level device independent filestore etc, when you've seen it, done it, worn the t-shirt - or did we call them vests all those years ago...? -- Pete Bready, Glasgow pbready@ntlworld.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Mar 2 02:43:20 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA146573 for opro ; Fri, 02 Mar 101 02:43:18 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 983497269:20:05855:14; Fri, 02 Mar 2001 01:41:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2005596; 2 Mar 2001 1:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA15863 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 01:38:49 GMT Received: from mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.worldonline.com (mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.worldonline.com [212.74.112.72]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA15860 for ; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 01:38:47 GMT Received: from ppp-1-95.5800-9.access.uk.worldonline.com ([62.64.168.95] helo=ghc) by mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.worldonline.com with smtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 14YeWk-0003pG-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 02 Mar 2001 01:38:38 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Gavin Crawford To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 01:39:37 +0000 (GMT) Subject: NudgePal - a new Applet Message-ID: <4a54b30307gav@crawford-print.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02d (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I've written an applet that adds a palette that allows the selected objects to be nudged into a new position by use of arrow buttons. I've been testing it for some time and everything seems fine, so I've put it on my website for others to try. It is available from: http://www.crawford-print.co.uk/resources.html I'd be grateful for some feed back about it (good or bad). By private email please - not to the list. Gav. -- Gavin Crawford email: gav@crawford-print.co.uk web: www.crawford-print.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Mar 2 13:40:04 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA146580 for opro ; Fri, 02 Mar 101 13:39:56 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 983502535:20:08625:14; Fri, 02 Mar 2001 03:08:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2008037; 2 Mar 2001 3:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA16204 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 03:06:45 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA16201 for ; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 03:06:43 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14Yftz-00059k-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 03:06:44 +0000 Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 02:51:12 GMT Message-Id: <146575@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: RE: Backup copy in 'other' format X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R There is the overwrite applet to stop you sticking one version of a document on top of another. This uses the EVENT_PRESAVE event, page 105 in the script manual. As it says there it is possible to change the name the file is saved under. So I think someone can write an applet that allows normal timed autosave to go on, but e.g. looks if the file has a / suffix and increments the number accordingly. (what the manual doesn't say is that setting the name to a null string stops the save...) David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Mar 2 13:40:31 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA146586 for opro ; Fri, 02 Mar 101 13:40:28 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 983528488:10:09194:13; Fri, 02 Mar 2001 10:21:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1009118; 2 Mar 2001 10:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA17234 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 10:16:24 GMT Received: from dino.intonet.co.uk (root@dino.intonet.co.uk [62.232.111.3]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA17231 for ; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 10:16:22 GMT Received: from marteng.intonet.co.uk (user138.intonet.co.uk [62.232.111.70]) by dino.intonet.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA14159 for ; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 10:15:50 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Marten Gallagher To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 10:12:01 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: NudgePal - a new Applet Message-ID: <4a54e1ec79marteng@intonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a54b30307gav@crawford-print.co.uk> References: <4a54b30307gav@crawford-print.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02d (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4a54b30307gav@crawford-print.co.uk>, Gavin Crawford wrote: > I've written an applet that adds a palette that allows the selected > objects to be nudged into a new position by use of arrow buttons. > I've been testing it for some time and everything seems fine, so I've > put it on my website for others to try. It is available from: > http://www.crawford-print.co.uk/resources.html > I'd be grateful for some feed back about it (good or bad). > By private email please - not to the list. Yes but I think I'd like to tell the list this: I've given it a quick trial and it I like it...a *lot* Slainte -- Marten Gallagher - marten@annerykiln.co.uk http://www.annerykiln.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Mar 2 13:40:36 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA146587 for opro ; Fri, 02 Mar 101 13:40:32 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 983536714:20:12118:35; Fri, 02 Mar 2001 12:38:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2011619; 2 Mar 2001 12:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA17647 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 12:34:31 GMT Received: from mserv1c.vianw.co.uk (mserv1c.vianw.co.uk [195.102.240.33]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA17644 for ; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 12:34:28 GMT Received: from [194.119.179.59] (helo=Caslon.english.co.uk) by mserv1c.vianw.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.22 #5) id 14YolD-0006ug-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 02 Mar 2001 12:34:15 +0000 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Fri, 02 Mar 2001 12:16:56 +0000 Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 12:16:42 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: NudgePal - a new Applet Message-ID: <9e56ed544a%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a54e1ec79marteng@intonet.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Marten Gallagher wrote: > In article <4a54b30307gav@crawford-print.co.uk>, > Gavin Crawford wrote: > > I've written an applet that adds a palette that allows the selected > > objects to be nudged into a new position by use of arrow buttons. > > > I've been testing it for some time and everything seems fine, so I've > > put it on my website for others to try. It is available from: > > http://www.crawford-print.co.uk/resources.html > > > I'd be grateful for some feed back about it (good or bad). > > By private email please - not to the list. > > Yes but I think I'd like to tell the list this: > > I've given it a quick trial and it I like it...a *lot* > I don't like to say this but 'me too'! I'm looking forward to using it in earnest. It does something which I've always wanted (nudge selected objects with cursor keys) and is one of the few features of QuarkXpress which I find very handy. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Mar 2 15:31:09 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA146602 for opro ; Fri, 02 Mar 101 15:31:06 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 983542612:10:02445:17; Fri, 02 Mar 2001 14:16:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1001941; 2 Mar 2001 14:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA17996 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 14:02:22 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA17992 for ; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 14:02:19 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14Yq8S-0007xh-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 14:02:20 +0000 Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 13:56:35 GMT Message-Id: <146599@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: cymk-picture X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >We haven a 32-bits cymk-sprite with only black and >magenta in it. Importing it in Ovation Pro gives cyan and >yellow as well on the plates (this has been discussed >before) which means you get a mixed colour in printing. >How do we avoid this? (Clicking the cymk-button in the >processwindow does not help). This happens due to the colour correction curves, you get rid of it by disabling them from colour choices. >This happens when we import a saved file. Saving the >sprite from Photodesk directly in an Ovationframe gives >no cyan or yellow and brings us the result we want (but >disables the reference-option). This sounds suspiciously like comparing A with A and finding a difference. In other words it should not matter how the sprite file is imported. Obviously there is scope for the files to be different in some way. For example if you saved as TIFF then what ended up in OPro would have come through some sort of TIFF loader. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Mar 2 15:31:14 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA146604 for opro ; Fri, 02 Mar 101 15:31:12 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 983543823:10:06556:13; Fri, 02 Mar 2001 14:37:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1006268; 2 Mar 2001 14:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA17993 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 14:02:20 GMT Received: from smtp06.wxs.nl (smtp06.wxs.nl [195.121.6.58]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA17841 for ; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 13:17:40 GMT Received: from tenu.tref.nl ([195.121.192.107]) by smtp06.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 4.05) with SMTP id G9KNLC01.76J for ; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 14:17:36 +0100 Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 14:13:23 +0000 (GMT) From: Tekst & Uitleg Subject: cymk-picture To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Tekst & Uitleg, Nederland X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hello, Somebody must know the answer on the next problem: We haven a 32-bits cymk-sprite with only black and magenta in it. Importing it in Ovation Pro gives cyan and yellow as well on the plates (this has been discussed before) which means you get a mixed colour in printing. How do we avoid this? (Clicking the cymk-button in the processwindow does not help). This happens when we import a saved file. Saving the sprite from Photodesk directly in an Ovationframe gives no cyan or yellow and brings us the result we want (but disables the reference-option). Any ideas? Arnold -- Tekst & Uitleg Schaijk / Tel. 0486 463112 / Fax 0486 463537 Kabelkrant Kubus / Tel. 0486 463553 Runstraat 27b Schaijk / Zie ook: http://www.uitleg.nl Dienblad http://www.dienblad.nl / Landerd op: http://www.landerd.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Mar 2 21:55:02 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA146616 for opro ; Fri, 02 Mar 101 21:55:00 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 983562497:10:10890:15; Fri, 02 Mar 2001 19:48:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1009862; 2 Mar 2001 19:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA19773 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 19:39:52 GMT Received: from norwegia.access.ch (mail.access.ch [195.112.71.134]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA19770 for ; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 19:39:49 GMT Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (megapop9-119.access.ch [212.161.130.247]) by norwegia.access.ch (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA14193 for ; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 20:39:50 +0100 Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 20:38:13 +0100 (GMT) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: NudgePal - a new Applet To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <9e56ed544a%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: tevens Secretariaat Stichting Van Vredenburch X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Fri 02 Mar, David Graddol wrote: > Marten Gallagher wrote: snip > > I've given it a quick trial and it I like it...a *lot* Yes, indeed very nice. And especially that the keyboard shortcuts used are not the function keys but the number-keyboard-keys. Great! > I don't like to say this but 'me too'! I'm looking forward to using it > in earnest. It does something which I've always wanted (nudge > selected objects with cursor keys) and is one of the few features of > QuarkXpress which I find very handy. If you read the contents of the manual on page 97 of the CD version of OvPro (is in chapter 8 section 4), you can possibly discover that this "nudging of objects" already exists. Maybe less sophisticated as this new applet presents, but nevertheless present within OvPro. I have been using the in-built nudging facility already quite some time. Do not recall since which version it was implemented (2.48??) But do know that almost all objects in the OvPro manual, present on the CD, were positioned using this in-built facility. Greetings, JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch tel +41 41 3706125 | RiscOS Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Mar 3 02:51:47 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA146639 for opro ; Sat, 03 Mar 101 02:51:44 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 983584938:20:25888:14; Sat, 03 Mar 2001 02:02:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2105385; 3 Mar 2001 2:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA20697 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 3 Mar 2001 02:00:01 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA20694 for ; Sat, 3 Mar 2001 01:59:59 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14Z1Kw-000C2f-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 3 Mar 2001 01:59:59 +0000 Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 23:18:32 GMT Message-Id: <146625@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: NudgePal - a new Applet X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I have been using the in-built nudging facility already quite some time. >Do not recall since which version it was implemented (2.48??) Something like that. >But do know that almost all objects in the OvPro manual, present on >the CD, were positioned using this in-built facility. A tribute to your patience. The ability to use the cursor keys to move the mouse pointer whilst dragging is taking place is useful, but it is hard work for a lot of objects. It is probably easier if you use the mouse left handed, otherwise you have to use the cursor keys with your left hand. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Mar 3 13:58:22 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA146640 for opro ; Sat, 03 Mar 101 13:58:20 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 983589691:10:21041:16; Sat, 03 Mar 2001 03:21:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1111666; 3 Mar 2001 3:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA20935 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 3 Mar 2001 02:52:59 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA20931 for ; Sat, 3 Mar 2001 02:52:55 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14Z2AC-000EIG-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 3 Mar 2001 02:52:56 +0000 Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 02:23:02 GMT Message-Id: <146637@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Help with a mail-merge field macro please... X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I've tried variations around {if(field(19)=<3) nextrecord()} Should be no problem, but of course it should be <= not =< and field() is a string. So it would have to be if(field(19)<="3") Or perhaps if(stoi(field(19))<=3) where we convert the string to an integer and then do the comparison. (please see if you can post to the list from the address you're subscribed from) David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Mar 3 13:58:23 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA146641 for opro ; Sat, 03 Mar 101 13:58:20 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 983588754:20:11596:14; Sat, 03 Mar 2001 03:05:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2011529; 3 Mar 2001 3:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA20933 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 3 Mar 2001 02:52:56 GMT Received: from scrabble.freeuk.net (scrabble.freeuk.net [212.126.144.6]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA20264 for ; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 22:36:45 GMT Received: from du-002-0192.freeuk.com ([212.126.156.192] helo=freeuk.net) by scrabble.freeuk.net with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1) id 14YyAH-0000OC-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 02 Mar 2001 22:36:47 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Brock To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 22:23:01 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Help with a mail-merge field macro please... Message-ID: <4a5524d8efbadger.set@freeuk.com> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02d (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, I've been trying to write a mail merge field macro to make OPro skip a record in a mail merge if a particular field (19) in a CSV file has a value of less than 3. I've tried variations around {if(field(19)=<3) nextrecord()}, but they all cause '1 S Wrong type' throwback errors. Am I barking up the wrong tree completely? TIA Richard -- Richard Brock -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Mar 3 13:58:37 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA146646 for opro ; Sat, 03 Mar 101 13:58:34 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 983617259:20:15624:13; Sat, 03 Mar 2001 11:00:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2014857; 3 Mar 2001 11:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA22129 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 3 Mar 2001 10:57:39 GMT Received: from scrabble.freeuk.net (scrabble.freeuk.net [212.126.144.6]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA22126 for ; Sat, 3 Mar 2001 10:57:37 GMT Received: from du-002-0121.freeuk.com ([212.126.156.121] helo=freeuk.net) by scrabble.freeuk.net with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1) id 14Z9jG-0007F6-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 03 Mar 2001 10:57:38 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Brock To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 10:56:34 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Help with a mail-merge field macro please... Message-ID: <4a5569d645badger.set@freeuk.com> In-Reply-To: <146637@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <146637@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02d (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <146637@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > if(stoi(field(19))<=3) > where we convert the string to an integer and then do the comparison. Thanks David, works a treat. (If I go on like this I'll be able to switch on, load Ovation Pro and leave it to do everything, including cook the Sunday lunch!) A question arising: if 'less than 3' is <=3 , how would '3 or less than 3' (or 'equal to, or less than 3') be phrased? -- Richard Brock -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Mar 3 13:58:40 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA146647 for opro ; Sat, 03 Mar 101 13:58:38 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 983618541:10:17771:15; Sat, 03 Mar 2001 11:22:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1111162; 3 Mar 2001 11:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA22303 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 3 Mar 2001 11:18:26 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA22300 for ; Sat, 3 Mar 2001 11:18:24 GMT Received: from userfv86.uk.uudial.com (62.188.28.49) [62.188.28.49] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 14ZA3L-0004fw-00; Sat, 3 Mar 2001 11:18:23 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: David Breakwell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 11:09:00 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Help with a mail-merge field macro please... Message-ID: <4a556af9cedavidb@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a5569d645badger.set@freeuk.com> References: <146637@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4a5569d645badger.set@freeuk.com> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4a5569d645badger.set@freeuk.com>, Richard Brock wrote: > A question arising: if 'less than 3' is <=3 , how would '3 or less than > 3' (or 'equal to, or less than 3') be phrased? <= is less than or equal < is less than David Breakwell -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | davidb@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Mar 3 13:58:45 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA146650 for opro ; Sat, 03 Mar 101 13:58:41 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 983619060:20:04333:13; Sat, 03 Mar 2001 11:31:00 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2003255; 3 Mar 2001 11:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA22201 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 3 Mar 2001 11:13:14 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA22198 for ; Sat, 3 Mar 2001 11:13:12 GMT Received: from useret69.uk.uudial.com (62.188.17.54) [62.188.17.54] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 14Z9yJ-0004Ui-00; Sat, 3 Mar 2001 11:13:12 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: David Breakwell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Cc: david@pilling.demon.co.uk Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 11:06:33 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Proactive Buttons Message-ID: <4a556abeb6davidb@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <146024@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article , John Pettigrew wrote: > Sorry guys, but two small bug reports. First, there are two errant line > breaks in the help text strings for the macros, so the help texts read > simply 'Switch'. This is because they were copied from the email, I > think, but it's easily mended. > More important, but still not critical, the buttons don't update when the > preferences are changed from the prefs window. I thought the following would correct that: 1. Add a subroutine as follows: void lockswitch_change(int user, int file) { refreshbutton("lockgswtch",0,file); } 2. Add the following line to main addeventhandler(0x2c, 0, "lockswitch_change"); Unfortunately although the lockswitch_change is called when the preferences change the buttons don't seem to refresh. Has anybody any ideas? David -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | davidb@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Mar 3 15:52:26 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA146654 for opro ; Sat, 03 Mar 101 15:52:24 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 983633147:10:27066:16; Sat, 03 Mar 2001 15:25:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1027006; 3 Mar 2001 15:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA23078 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 3 Mar 2001 15:23:16 GMT Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA23075 for ; Sat, 3 Mar 2001 15:23:14 GMT Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 14ZDsJ-000HTP-0Y for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 3 Mar 2001 15:23:15 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 15:17:29 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Proactive Buttons Message-ID: <4a5581b8ffJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a556abeb6davidb@argonet.co.uk> References: <146024@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4a556abeb6davidb@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.01g (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 03 Mar, David Breakwell wrote: > In article , > John Pettigrew wrote: > > Sorry guys, but two small bug reports. First, there are two errant line > > breaks in the help text strings for the macros, so the help texts read > > simply 'Switch'. This is because they were copied from the email, I > > think, but it's easily mended. > > More important, but still not critical, the buttons don't update when the > > preferences are changed from the prefs window. > I thought the following would correct that: > 1. Add a subroutine as follows: > void lockswitch_change(int user, int file) > { > refreshbutton("lockgswtch",0,file); > } > 2. Add the following line to main > addeventhandler(0x2c, 0, "lockswitch_change"); > Unfortunately although the lockswitch_change is called when the > preferences change the buttons don't seem to refresh. Has anybody any > ideas? Some scripted way of forcing a total window redraw? -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 5 19:41:53 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA146668 for opro ; Mon, 05 Mar 101 19:41:50 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 983644319:10:19540:14; Sat, 03 Mar 2001 18:31:59 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1102870; 3 Mar 2001 18:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA23640 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 3 Mar 2001 18:29:39 GMT Received: from scrabble.freeuk.net (scrabble.freeuk.net [212.126.144.6]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA23637 for ; Sat, 3 Mar 2001 18:29:37 GMT Received: from du-004-0193.freeuk.com ([212.126.149.193] helo=freeuk.net) by scrabble.freeuk.net with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1) id 14ZGmc-0004YU-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 03 Mar 2001 18:29:39 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Brock To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 18:02:40 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Help with a mail-merge field macro please... Message-ID: <4a5590d93bbadger.set@freeuk.com> In-Reply-To: <4a556af9cedavidb@argonet.co.uk> References: <146637@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4a5569d645badger.set@freeuk.com> <4a556af9cedavidb@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02d (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4a556af9cedavidb@argonet.co.uk>, David Breakwell wrote: > <= is less than or equal > < is less than Thanks David, I discovered I had misunderstood David P's solution slightly. All macros now quietly doing their jobs... -- Richard Brock -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 5 19:42:10 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA146673 for opro ; Mon, 05 Mar 101 19:42:08 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 983658167:20:01908:13; Sat, 03 Mar 2001 22:22:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2104210; 3 Mar 2001 22:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA24326 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 3 Mar 2001 22:20:37 GMT Received: from dino.intonet.co.uk (root@dino.intonet.co.uk [62.232.111.3]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA24323 for ; Sat, 3 Mar 2001 22:20:35 GMT Received: from marteng.intonet.co.uk (user146.intonet.co.uk [62.232.111.78]) by dino.intonet.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA27546 for ; Sat, 3 Mar 2001 22:20:31 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Marten Gallagher To: Ovation Pro Miling List Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 22:19:21 +0000 (GMT) Subject: FontList Message-ID: <4a55a85901marteng@intonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02d (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I get an error box saying: EREP whne I use FontList Applet. Any thoughts? Slainte -- Marten Gallagher - marten@annerykiln.co.uk http://www.annerykiln.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 5 19:42:13 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA146674 for opro ; Mon, 05 Mar 101 19:42:11 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 983655216:10:20062:15; Sat, 03 Mar 2001 21:33:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1019949; 3 Mar 2001 21:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA24081 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 3 Mar 2001 21:04:41 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA24078 for ; Sat, 3 Mar 2001 21:04:33 GMT Received: from userek11.uk.uudial.com (62.188.13.121) [62.188.13.121] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 14ZJCb-0001cX-00; Sat, 3 Mar 2001 21:04:34 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: David Breakwell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 20:58:43 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Proactive Buttons Message-ID: <4a55a0f75bdavidb@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a5581b8ffJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> References: <146024@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4a556abeb6davidb@argonet.co.uk> <4a5581b8f User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4a5581b8ffJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk>, Jeremy C B Nicoll wrote: > > Unfortunately although the lockswitch_change is called when the > > preferences change the buttons don't seem to refresh. Has anybody any > > ideas? > Some scripted way of forcing a total window redraw? I assumed that the refresh updated the screen - the buttons are refreshed by OP as soon as it needs to redraw them anyway - so I think they only thing this command can bring forward is the redraw. I assume I missed the plot somewhere David -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | davidb@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 5 19:42:23 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA146677 for opro ; Mon, 05 Mar 101 19:42:20 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 983715755:20:26322:13; Sun, 04 Mar 2001 14:22:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2026185; 4 Mar 2001 14:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA26547 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 4 Mar 2001 14:16:20 GMT Received: from smtp01.fields.gol.com (smtp01.fields.gol.com [203.216.5.131]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA26544 for ; Sun, 4 Mar 2001 14:16:17 GMT Received: from tc-2-1-180.shinjuku.gol.ne.jp ([203.216.10.180] helo=plattir.gol.com) by smtp01.fields.gol.com with smtp (Magnetic Fields) id 14ZZIx-0004UP-00 for ; Sun, 04 Mar 2001 23:16:12 +0900 Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 23:16:59 +0000 (GMT) From: "Ian R. Platt" Subject: PO bar code applet - installing fonts To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] X-Abuse-Complaints: abuse@gol.com Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Idiot's Hand Holder Required ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Can someone please tell me how to get the POBar (v1.00) barcode applet to work? I can put the applet into the !Applets, but how do I install the fonts? they don't have the 'F' on the folder and they don't drop onto the Font Merger of RO4 !Boot --> Fonts. Yes, I _know_ I should know how to do this, but... I don't :`-( If I just put them in !Boot.Resources.!Fonts it don't work. Can some kind soul help, pls? I have OvPro 2.58, RO4. TIA Ian the Dense -- Ian Platt Risc OS4 + StrongARM = UK technology. Continuing to 'think differently':-) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 5 19:42:27 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA146678 for opro ; Mon, 05 Mar 101 19:42:24 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 983667558:10:10899:20; Sun, 04 Mar 2001 00:59:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1129206; 4 Mar 2001 0:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA24803 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 4 Mar 2001 00:56:49 GMT Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA24800 for ; Sun, 4 Mar 2001 00:56:47 GMT Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 14ZMpM-000G11-0Y for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 4 Mar 2001 00:56:48 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2001 00:54:36 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: FontList Message-ID: <4a55b68fb6Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a55a85901marteng@intonet.co.uk> References: <4a55a85901marteng@intonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.01g (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 03 Mar, Marten Gallagher wrote: > I get an error box saying: EREP whne I use FontList Applet. > Any thoughts? You're running this on an IBM mainframe running a flavour of MVS or OS/390? (EREP is a systems programmer / hardware engineer's reporting program EREP = Environment Error reporting or something). Other than that, no thoughts at all... -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 5 19:42:30 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA146679 for opro ; Mon, 05 Mar 101 19:42:27 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 983718552:20:11532:15; Sun, 04 Mar 2001 15:09:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2011327; 4 Mar 2001 15:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA26716 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 4 Mar 2001 15:03:46 GMT Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA26713 for ; Sun, 4 Mar 2001 15:03:44 GMT Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([158.152.204.98]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 14Za2z-0007r6-0V for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 4 Mar 2001 15:03:45 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2001 15:03:24 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: PO bar code applet - installing fonts Message-ID: <4a5604458djohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.02d (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Ian R. Platt wrote: > Idiot's Hand Holder Required > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Can someone please tell me how to get the POBar (v1.00) barcode applet > to work? > I can put the applet into the !Applets, but how do I install the fonts? > they don't have the 'F' on the folder and they don't drop onto the Font > Merger of RO4 !Boot --> Fonts. They will if you open a new directory called !Fonts and load the fonts into that folder *then* drop it onto the Font Merger. -- John Cartmell - Manchester, UK -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 5 19:42:39 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA146681 for opro ; Mon, 05 Mar 101 19:42:36 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 983721115:20:15798:13; Sun, 04 Mar 2001 15:51:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2015765; 4 Mar 2001 15:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA26907 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 4 Mar 2001 15:44:15 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA26904 for ; Sun, 4 Mar 2001 15:44:13 GMT Received: from userah61.uk.uudial.com (62.188.132.246) [62.188.132.246] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 14Zag9-0001E3-00; Sun, 4 Mar 2001 15:44:13 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tony Humphreys To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2001 15:37:19 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: PO bar code applet - installing fonts Message-ID: <4a5607605ctony.humphreys@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.02c (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Ian R. Platt wrote: snip > If I just put them in !Boot.Resources.!Fonts it don't work. > Can some kind soul help, pls? > I have OvPro 2.58, RO4. > TIA > Ian the Dense This works for me. Currently running 2.62 but it has always worked even with 2.58. I simply loaded them manually into !Boot.Resources.!Fonts something I have done with various fonts that I use regularly. Sorry but I can't understand why it should not work for you. Am only using RO3.7 so perhaps the problem lies with RO4. Tony. -- TONY HUMPHREYS MILTON KEYNES BUCKS tony.humphreys@argonet.co.uk ================================================================= Use RISC OS - You know it makes sense -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 5 19:42:47 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA146683 for opro ; Mon, 05 Mar 101 19:42:43 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 983726636:20:16139:15; Sun, 04 Mar 2001 17:23:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2015858; 4 Mar 2001 17:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA27212 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 4 Mar 2001 17:19:33 GMT Received: from smtp02.fields.gol.com (smtp02.fields.gol.com [203.216.5.132]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA27209 for ; Sun, 4 Mar 2001 17:19:30 GMT Received: from tc-2-1-138.shinjuku.gol.ne.jp ([203.216.10.138] helo=plattir.gol.com) by smtp02.fields.gol.com with smtp (Magnetic Fields) id 14ZcAL-0007zF-00 for ; Mon, 05 Mar 2001 02:19:29 +0900 Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 02:20:19 +0000 (GMT) From: "Ian R. Platt" Subject: Re: PO bar code applet - installing fonts To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <4a5604458djohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] X-Abuse-Complaints: abuse@gol.com Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sun 04 Mar, John Cartmell wrote: > In article , > Ian R. Platt wrote: > > > Idiot's Hand Holder Required > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Can someone please tell me how to get the POBar (v1.00) barcode applet > > to work? > > > I can put the applet into the !Applets, but how do I install the fonts? > > they don't have the 'F' on the folder and they don't drop onto the Font > > Merger of RO4 !Boot --> Fonts. > They will if you open a new directory called !Fonts and load the fonts into > that folder *then* drop it onto the Font Merger. > Thanks for the swift response, John. Err... I create a directory somewhere in a non-root, out of the way directory. I name it !Fonts. I open it & put the POBar IntMetrics & Outlines in it. I close it. I click on !Boot. I click on FOnts, I click on Install fonts... I drop created !Fonts on to 'here', I see the path appear, I click Merge, I get "File name '[my new !Fonts pathname].!Fonts' not recognised". Hmmm... Try tactic 2. ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2001 15:37:19 +0000 (GMT) > From: Tony Humphreys > I simply loaded them manually into !Boot.Resources.!Fonts > something I have done with various fonts that I use regularly. Sorry > but I can't understand why it should not work for you. Am only using > RO3.7 so perhaps the problem lies with RO4. Thanks Tony, for the quick response. I open !Boot. I open !Resources. I open !Fonts.I drop in a directory called POBar which contains IntMetrics & Outlines. I close all. I start Ovn Pro 2.58. I --> Applets to click on 'Bar code...' to get the tick..... "Ovation has suffered an internal error type = 5." OvPro goes home. Oh, oh. Clicks on Marcel... (I did warn you kind souls I needed an Idiot's Hand Holder...) Ian the Hand Heldee -- Ian Platt Risc OS4 + StrongARM = UK technology. Continuing to 'think differently':-) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 5 19:43:21 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA146689 for opro ; Mon, 05 Mar 101 19:43:14 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 983731690:10:03127:13; Sun, 04 Mar 2001 18:48:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1101553; 4 Mar 2001 18:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA27520 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 4 Mar 2001 18:45:05 GMT Received: from carbon.btinternet.com (carbon.btinternet.com [194.73.73.92]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA27517 for ; Sun, 4 Mar 2001 18:45:03 GMT Received: from [213.122.253.243] (helo=martin.lexicon) by carbon.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.03 #83) id 14ZdV9-0006Ae-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 04 Mar 2001 18:45:04 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Martin Longley To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2001 18:43:43 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: PO bar code applet - installing fonts Message-ID: <4a56187144mlongley@btinternet.com> In-Reply-To: References: <4a5604458djohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02d (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Ian R. Platt wrote: > > [Snip] > Err... > I create a directory somewhere in a non-root, out of the way directory. > I name it !Fonts. I open it & put the POBar IntMetrics & Outlines in it. > I close it. > I click on !Boot. I click on FOnts, I click on Install fonts... I drop > created !Fonts on to 'here', I see the path appear, I click Merge, > I get "File name '[my new !Fonts pathname].!Fonts' not recognised". > Try tactic 2. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ [Snip] > I open !Boot. I open !Resources. I open !Fonts.I drop in a directory > called POBar which contains IntMetrics & Outlines. I close all. > I start Ovn Pro 2.58. I --> Applets to click on 'Bar code...' to > get the tick..... > "Ovation has suffered an internal error type = 5." > OvPro goes home. > Oh, oh. You need to restart the computer or double click on the !Fonts folder before the additional fonts will be recognised. Martin Longley -- mlongley@btinternet.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 5 19:44:17 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA146693 for opro ; Mon, 05 Mar 101 19:44:13 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 983740982:10:04900:13; Sun, 04 Mar 2001 21:23:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1124637; 4 Mar 2001 21:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA28062 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 4 Mar 2001 21:18:38 GMT Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA28059 for ; Sun, 4 Mar 2001 21:18:36 GMT Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([158.152.204.98]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 14Zftk-000AGu-0X for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 4 Mar 2001 21:18:37 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2001 21:18:03 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: PO bar code applet - installing fonts Message-ID: <4a5626926djohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4a5604458djohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02d (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Ian R. Platt wrote: > On Sun 04 Mar, John Cartmell wrote: > > In article , Ian R. > > Platt wrote: > > > > > Idiot's Hand Holder Required ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Can > > > someone please tell me how to get the POBar (v1.00) barcode applet > > > to work? > > > > > I can put the applet into the !Applets, but how do I install the > > > fonts? they don't have the 'F' on the folder and they don't drop > > > onto the Font Merger of RO4 !Boot --> Fonts. > > They will if you open a new directory called !Fonts and load the fonts > > into that folder *then* drop it onto the Font Merger. > > > Thanks for the swift response, John. > Err... I create a directory somewhere in a non-root, out of the way > directory. I name it !Fonts. I open it & put the POBar IntMetrics & > Outlines in it. IntMetrics and Outlines are the two *parts* of the font. Put them both in a directory called (I presume) POBar. That directory is the font. Put that directory inside the !Fonts directory and merge as instructed. -- John Cartmell - Manchester, UK -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 5 19:44:20 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA146694 for opro ; Mon, 05 Mar 101 19:44:17 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 983735400:20:02793:13; Sun, 04 Mar 2001 19:50:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2002725; 4 Mar 2001 19:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA27773 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 4 Mar 2001 19:47:06 GMT Received: from norwegia.access.ch (mail.access.ch [195.112.71.134]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA27770 for ; Sun, 4 Mar 2001 19:47:03 GMT Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (megapop6-59.access.ch [212.161.129.187]) by norwegia.access.ch (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA00622 for ; Sun, 4 Mar 2001 20:47:03 +0100 Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 17:17:35 +0100 (GMT) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: Backup copy in 'other' format To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <4a53ff31b6Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: tevens Secretariaat Stichting Van Vredenburch X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 28 Feb, Jeremy C B Nicoll wrote: > On 28 Feb, Tonnie Demarteau wrote: snip > > In Ovation Pro I also save a doc as DDL, when ... I don't forget it or Mind that saving as DDL does not always save *all* info. Bookmarks (used when creating an index!) and page layout (portrait or landscape format) are 2 examples of what is not saved. snip > Maybe there's an applet that does the next thing anyway, but it would be > useful to have an option for successive saves to create incremented > document names, so no user-initiated save would overwrite the previously > saved doc ...... Their exist 2 (maybe more) programs for incremental saving: - !SmartSave written by Alan Wrigley, copyright RISC User 1993 - !backupNrs written by Briag, stated to be "Rhubarbware". Greetings JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch tel +41 41 3706125 | RiscOS Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 5 19:44:36 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA146700 for opro ; Mon, 05 Mar 101 19:44:33 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 983756270:20:11382:14; Mon, 05 Mar 2001 01:37:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2118549; 5 Mar 2001 1:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA28675 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 01:35:19 GMT Received: from smtp02.fields.gol.com (smtp02.fields.gol.com [203.216.5.132]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA28668 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 01:35:15 GMT Received: from tc-1-1-175.shinjuku.gol.ne.jp ([203.216.8.175] helo=plattir.gol.com) by smtp02.fields.gol.com with smtp (Magnetic Fields) id 14Zju7-0004VF-00 for ; Mon, 05 Mar 2001 10:35:15 +0900 Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 09:23:58 +0000 (GMT) From: "Ian R. Platt" Subject: Re: PO bar code applet - installing fonts To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <4a56187144mlongley@btinternet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] X-Abuse-Complaints: abuse@gol.com Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sun 04 Mar, Martin Longley wrote: > In article , > Ian R. Platt wrote: > > > > [Snip] > > Err... > > I create a directory somewhere in a non-root, out of the way directory. > > I name it !Fonts. I open it & put the POBar IntMetrics & Outlines in it. > > I close it. > > I click on !Boot. I click on FOnts, I click on Install fonts... I drop > > created !Fonts on to 'here', I see the path appear, I click Merge, > > > I get "File name '[my new !Fonts pathname].!Fonts' not recognised". > > > > Try tactic 2. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > [Snip] > > I open !Boot. I open !Resources. I open !Fonts.I drop in a directory > > called POBar which contains IntMetrics & Outlines. I close all. > > I start Ovn Pro 2.58. I --> Applets to click on 'Bar code...' to > > get the tick..... > > > "Ovation has suffered an internal error type = 5." > > OvPro goes home. > > > Oh, oh. > > You need to restart the computer or double click on the !Fonts folder before > the additional fonts will be recognised. > > Martin Longley > Thanks Martin, John Cartmell spotted the mis-step: I didn't put the _parts_ of the font in a directory called !Fonts :-/ All now seems to be well. OvPro envelopes have little lines on them and Mother stands a cahnce of getting her 92nd B'card (wonderfully hand crafted into a true work of art - i.e. it took me _ages_ to get it just right, but I did!) on her B'day after all. Thanks to all who responded. It all seems to work, let's move on to other interesting things :-) Ian the Grateful. -- Ian Platt Risc OS4 + StrongARM = UK technology. Continuing to 'think differently':-) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 5 19:44:38 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA146701 for opro ; Mon, 05 Mar 101 19:44:36 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 983783961:10:00537:13; Mon, 05 Mar 2001 09:19:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1000464; 5 Mar 2001 9:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA29745 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 09:12:00 GMT Received: from inca.sle.sharp.co.uk (root@[193.114.241.3]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA29742 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 09:11:57 GMT Received: from sharp.co.uk (aardog.sle.sharp.co.uk [192.16.16.173]) by inca.sle.sharp.co.uk (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA24811 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 09:10:18 GMT Message-ID: <3AA3585D.5080803@sharp.co.uk> Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 09:11:57 +0000 From: Graham Jones Organization: Sharp Laboratories of Europe User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; WinNT4.0; en-US; 0.8) Gecko/20010215 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf, ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Applet not changing font. References: <146483@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro David Pilling wrote: > Perhaps a call to caretcontext() first... Thanks David, that does the trick nicely. Graham. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 5 19:44:43 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA146702 for opro ; Mon, 05 Mar 101 19:44:40 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 983756272:20:11605:13; Mon, 05 Mar 2001 01:37:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2011525; 5 Mar 2001 1:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA28676 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 01:35:20 GMT Received: from smtp02.fields.gol.com (smtp02.fields.gol.com [203.216.5.132]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA28672 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 01:35:17 GMT Received: from tc-1-1-175.shinjuku.gol.ne.jp ([203.216.8.175] helo=plattir.gol.com) by smtp02.fields.gol.com with smtp (Magnetic Fields) id 14Zju8-0004VF-00 for ; Mon, 05 Mar 2001 10:35:17 +0900 Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 09:17:47 +0000 (GMT) From: "Ian R. Platt" Subject: Re: PO bar code applet - installing fonts To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <4a5626926djohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] X-Abuse-Complaints: abuse@gol.com Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sun 04 Mar, John Cartmell wrote: > In article , Ian R. Platt > wrote: > > On Sun 04 Mar, John Cartmell wrote: > > > In article , Ian R. > > > Platt wrote: > > > > > > > Idiot's Hand Holder Required ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Can > > > > someone please tell me how to get the POBar (v1.00) barcode applet > > > > to work? > > > > > > > I can put the applet into the !Applets, but how do I install the > > > > fonts? they don't have the 'F' on the folder and they don't drop > > > > onto the Font Merger of RO4 !Boot --> Fonts. > > > They will if you open a new directory called !Fonts and load the fonts > > > into that folder *then* drop it onto the Font Merger. > > > > > Thanks for the swift response, John. > > > Err... I create a directory somewhere in a non-root, out of the way > > directory. I name it !Fonts. I open it & put the POBar IntMetrics & > > Outlines in it. > > IntMetrics and Outlines are the two *parts* of the font. Put them both in a > directory called (I presume) POBar. That directory is the font. > Put that directory inside the !Fonts directory and merge as instructed. > Doh! :-) Thanks John. All is working. Ian the Happy Dunce -- Ian Platt Risc OS4 + StrongARM = UK technology. Continuing to 'think differently':-) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 5 19:44:45 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA146703 for opro ; Mon, 05 Mar 101 19:44:43 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 983786009:10:08531:15; Mon, 05 Mar 2001 09:53:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1119990; 5 Mar 2001 9:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA30002 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 09:50:09 GMT Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA29999 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 09:50:06 GMT Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([158.152.204.98]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 14Zrd0-0005yW-0V for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 09:50:06 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 08:00:14 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: PO bar code applet - installing fonts Message-ID: <4a56615da7john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4a5626926djohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02d (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Ian R. Platt wrote: > Ian the Happy I remember not knowing how to open a directory and not being able to find out how! ;-) -- John Cartmell - Manchester, UK -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 5 22:55:24 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA146754 for opro ; Mon, 05 Mar 101 22:55:21 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 983822534:20:10452:14; Mon, 05 Mar 2001 20:02:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2010068; 5 Mar 2001 20:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA31496 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 19:42:38 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA31493 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 19:42:36 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14a0sL-0007Hu-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 19:42:33 +0000 Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 22:15:35 GMT Message-Id: <146661@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Proactive Buttons X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Unfortunately although the lockswitch_change is called when the preferences >change the buttons don't seem to refresh. Has anybody any ideas? Its a bug in the script manual. The preferences event parameter is a view handle not a file handle. So; void lockswitch_change(int user, int view) { refreshbutton("lockgswtch",view,0); } is what is needed. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 5 23:52:47 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA146766 for opro ; Mon, 05 Mar 101 23:52:45 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 983833970:10:26594:15; Mon, 05 Mar 2001 23:12:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1026297; 5 Mar 2001 23:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA32160 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 23:04:47 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA32154 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 23:04:43 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14a420-00064b-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 23:04:44 +0000 Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 22:46:58 GMT Message-Id: <146750@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Digest V1 #613 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I sometimes use a four-fold A4 sheet to make cards and wondered if there >was either an applet or some format so that I don't need to remember >which sections of the card to invert to make it fold right/ Hard to grasp what you mean. The 'booklet' print format (install the imposition applet) is for 4 up printing. You've got to do a cut of course. >Non-member submission from [Peter Browne ] Please can you post to the list from the address you're subscribed with. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 5 23:52:51 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA146767 for opro ; Mon, 05 Mar 101 23:52:48 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 983834123:20:07550:13; Mon, 05 Mar 2001 23:15:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2124107; 5 Mar 2001 23:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA32152 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 23:04:43 GMT Received: from deborah.paradise.net.nz (deborah.paradise.net.nz [203.96.152.32]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA24405 for ; Sat, 3 Mar 2001 22:30:27 GMT Received: from pbrowne (203-96-144-6.cable.paradise.net.nz [203.96.144.6]) by deborah.paradise.net.nz (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id f23MUKF19089 for ; Sun, 4 Mar 2001 11:30:25 +1300 (NZDT) Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2001 11:29:24 GMT From: Peter Browne To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Digest V1 #613 Message-ID: <04aef0554a.pbrowne@pbrowne.paradise.net.nz> References: <200103021016.KAA17242@omega.barnet.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <200103021016.KAA17242@omega.barnet.ac.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <200103021016.KAA17242@omega.barnet.ac.uk> you wrote: > Ovation Pro Digest Friday, March 2 2001 Volume 01 : Number 613 just a quick question maybe someone has the answr to. I sometimes use a four-fold A4 sheet to make cards and wondered if there was either an applet or some format so that I don't need to remember which sections of the card to invert to make it fold right/ Unfortunately with the opposition there are some good examples in one of their publishing programs and I wondered if the facility exists in ovationPro to save me reinventing the wheel. Cheers Peter -- Peter Browne 17 Willcox Grove, Lower Hutt, New Zealand, ph 6449382097 or +6421493664. .... Member: International Brotherhood of Tagline Thieves! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 5 23:52:53 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA146768 for opro ; Mon, 05 Mar 101 23:52:51 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 983833976:10:26690:14; Mon, 05 Mar 2001 23:12:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1109794; 5 Mar 2001 23:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA32147 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 23:04:39 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA32144 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 23:04:38 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14a41u-00064b-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 23:04:38 +0000 Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 22:35:35 GMT Message-Id: <146746@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: FontList X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I get an error box saying: EREP whne I use FontList Applet. >Any thoughts? Very interesting. EREP is an internal error, it means the error has already been reported. You should never see this error. What I'd like to know is how you get this error to occur? (something must be wrong, I use the applet and it works). David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Mar 6 17:26:45 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA146788 for opro ; Tue, 06 Mar 101 17:26:43 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 983870784:10:24781:13; Tue, 06 Mar 2001 09:26:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1117952; 6 Mar 2001 9:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA01461 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 09:05:34 GMT Received: from mail.ims-firmen.de (qmailr@mail.ims-firmen.de [212.172.125.4]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA01458 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 09:05:32 GMT Received: (qmail 12817 invoked from network); 6 Mar 2001 09:09:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO shelley) (217.2.247.127) by ims-firmen.de with SMTP; 6 Mar 2001 09:09:20 -0000 Received: from uff411.ucs.de (212.108.202.179) by shelley.ucs.de; Tue, 06 Mar 2001 09:57:28 +0100 Received: from kaskaskia.ucs.de by uff411.ucs.de; Tue, 06 Mar 2001 09:56:49 +0100 Received: from martinv by kaskaskia.ucs.de with local (RemoteNB 1.08beta2) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; 06 Mar 2001 09:56:43 +0100 Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 09:56:43 +0100 From: Martin Vethake To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Backup copy in 'other' format Message-ID: <8e5fea564a.martinv@kaskaskia.ucs.de> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: U C S User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10 (RemoteNB/1.08beta2) (RISC-OS/3.70) X-Editor: Zap 1.44 (14 Jan 2001) [TEST 4], ZapEmail 0.25 (20 Sep 2000) test-5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: > On Wed 28 Feb, Jeremy C B Nicoll wrote: > > On 28 Feb, Tonnie Demarteau wrote: > Their exist 2 (maybe more) programs for incremental saving: > - !SmartSave written by Alan Wrigley, copyright RISC User 1993 > - !backupNrs written by Briag, stated to be "Rhubarbware". > Well, I think it should be noted that http://www.flying-snail.de/ have a program called LayerFS which does incremental backups on the fly very nicely. LayerFS is not limited to OvationPro and IMHO a far better approach. Regards -- Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Mar 6 17:26:47 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA146789 for opro ; Tue, 06 Mar 101 17:26:46 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 983873732:10:23409:21; Tue, 06 Mar 2001 10:15:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1023066; 6 Mar 2001 10:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA01709 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 10:12:32 GMT Received: from dino.intonet.co.uk (root@dino.intonet.co.uk [62.232.111.3]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA01706 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 10:12:30 GMT Received: from marteng.intonet.co.uk (user179.intonet.co.uk [62.232.111.111]) by dino.intonet.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA22532 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 10:12:16 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Marten Gallagher To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 23:56:42 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: FontList Message-ID: <4a56b8eeedmarteng@intonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <146746@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <146746@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id KAA01707 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id KAB01709 I> >I get an error box saying: EREP whne I use FontList Applet. > >Any thoughts? > Very interesting. EREP is an internal error, it means the error has > already been reported. You should never see this error. > What I'd like to know is how you get this error to occur? I've been trying to re-create it... I am prety sure this is what I did: 1- Downloaded FontList applet. 2- Copied into my 'Master' Applets directory (where they all are kept should I want them) 3- Copied it, then,=A0into the Applets folder within OPro. 4- [I am not sure whether I had OPro loaded a this point, but would have Quit if so] 5- Ran OPro 6- Loaded document 7- Went down the apps list and found [I am certain] FontList and clicked. 8- Error: EREP came up. 9- Checked to see if I had put the Applet in the right place - it was there, correctly. 10- Tried again 11- Same error. 12- Quit OPro and reloaded. 13- Sent the email. 14- Looked again in Applets folder and realised it was switched off. 15- Switched it on. 16- Reloaded OPro 17- Fontlist worked. [Very busy, forgot to cancel report] 18- However, it then occurred to me: 'How did I find it *and activate it* on the Applets menu if it was switched off?' 19- Have just tried to repeat it...in vain - sorry Slainte --=20 Marten Gallagher - marten@annerykiln.co.uk http://www.annerykiln.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Mar 7 01:46:04 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA146819 for opro ; Wed, 07 Mar 101 01:46:02 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 983904755:20:00804:19; Tue, 06 Mar 2001 18:52:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2100821; 6 Mar 2001 18:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA03188 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 18:48:30 GMT Received: from mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (mta03-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.43]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA03185 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 18:48:23 GMT Received: from pbready ([213.104.128.254]) by mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with SMTP id <20010306184820.KRZG283.mta03-svc.ntlworld.com@pbready> for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 18:48:20 +0000 Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 18:47:17 GMT From: Pete Bready To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Backup copy in 'other' format Message-ID: References: <8e5fea564a.martinv@kaskaskia.ucs.de> In-Reply-To: <8e5fea564a.martinv@kaskaskia.ucs.de> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <8e5fea564a.martinv@kaskaskia.ucs.de> Martin Vethake wrote: > In message you wrote: > > > On Wed 28 Feb, Jeremy C B Nicoll wrote: > > > On 28 Feb, Tonnie Demarteau wrote: > > Their exist 2 (maybe more) programs for incremental saving: > > - !SmartSave written by Alan Wrigley, copyright RISC User 1993 > > - !backupNrs written by Briag, stated to be "Rhubarbware". > > > Well, I think it should be noted that http://www.flying-snail.de/ > have a program called LayerFS which does incremental backups on the fly > very nicely. LayerFS is not limited to OvationPro and IMHO a far > better approach. > > Regards Bit scant on info on the website, however. Maybe they could make their manual available online to give potential buyers a better idea of what it can do. Has anyone reviewed or used this in the past? -- Pete Bready, Glasgow pbready@ntlworld.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Mar 8 01:14:49 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA146881 for opro ; Thu, 08 Mar 101 01:14:47 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 983994983:10:01702:24; Wed, 07 Mar 2001 19:56:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1119250; 7 Mar 2001 19:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA07201 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 19:46:03 GMT Received: from mail.ims-firmen.de (qmailr@mail.ims-firmen.de [212.172.125.4]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA07196 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 19:45:55 GMT Received: (qmail 2351 invoked from network); 7 Mar 2001 09:46:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO shelley) (217.2.249.169) by ims-firmen.de with SMTP; 7 Mar 2001 09:46:00 -0000 Received: from uff411.ucs.de (212.108.202.179) by shelley.ucs.de; Wed, 07 Mar 2001 10:16:45 +0100 Received: from kaskaskia.ucs.de by uff411.ucs.de; Wed, 07 Mar 2001 10:16:28 +0100 Received: from martinv by kaskaskia.ucs.de with local (RemoteNB 1.08beta2) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; 07 Mar 2001 10:16:26 +0100 Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 10:16:26 +0100 From: Martin Vethake To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Backup copy in 'other' format Message-ID: <7a0370574a.martinv@kaskaskia.ucs.de> References: <8e5fea564a.martinv@kaskaskia.ucs.de> X-Organization: U C S User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10 (RemoteNB/1.08beta2) (RISC-OS/3.70) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: > In message <8e5fea564a.martinv@kaskaskia.ucs.de> > Martin Vethake wrote: > > > In message you wrote: > > > > > On Wed 28 Feb, Jeremy C B Nicoll wrote: > > > > On 28 Feb, Tonnie Demarteau wrote: [snip] > Bit scant on info on the website, however. Maybe they could make their manual > available online to give potential buyers a better idea of what it can do. > Has anyone reviewed or used this in the past? > I could recommend GAG-News 34 and 37 (to be found on http://www.gag.de/), but those are german articles. There are three main uses for LayerFS: You can use a CD-ROM as if it was writeable; You can make journaled backups and You can have full incremental saving of files. As the name suggests files of the same name do not overwrite but get layered on top of one another. BTW, a quick shot at acornsearch suggests http://www.flying-snail.de/LayerFS/ which contains a quite comprehensive (english) description... Regards -- Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Mar 9 14:06:00 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA146940 for opro ; Fri, 09 Mar 101 14:05:59 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 984129890:10:04673:39; Fri, 09 Mar 2001 09:24:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1127108; 9 Mar 2001 9:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA12568 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 09:15:08 GMT Received: from altrade.nijmegen.inter.nl.net (altrade.nijmegen.inter.nl.net [193.67.237.6]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA12565 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 09:15:05 GMT Received: from padua by altrade.nijmegen.inter.nl.net via 1Cust83.tnt24.rtm1.nl.uu.net [213.116.142.83] with SMTP for id KAA28674 (8.8.8/1.3); Fri, 9 Mar 2001 10:15:05 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <002b01c0a878$d81635d0$4d01a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: References: <002a01c0a16d$3d462bd0$4d01a8c0@padua> Subject: Re: Backup copy in 'other' format Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 10:10:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 28 Feb, Tonnie Demarteau wrote: > > In Ovation Pro I also save a doc as DDL, when ... I don't forget it or don't > forget to repeat the extra save ... > I would certainly like to have a configurable option to automatically save a > document in more than one format with every save (DDL or -when it is available > RTF of David Breakwell Thanks for all the help, explanation and suggestions about 'safe' saves. mrs. Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 12 18:52:16 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA147001 for opro ; Mon, 12 Mar 101 18:52:14 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 984350314:10:04945:16; Sun, 11 Mar 2001 22:38:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1004478; 11 Mar 2001 22:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA20914 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 11 Mar 2001 22:32:46 GMT Received: from cmailg7.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg7.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.177]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA20911 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2001 22:32:40 GMT Received: from modem-248.california.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.56.248] helo=orchard-way) by cmailg7.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 14cEOH-00067W-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 11 Mar 2001 22:32:41 +0000 Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 21:07:58 GMT From: Alan Adams To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: NudgePal - a new Applet Message-ID: <4280c0594a.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> References: <146625@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <146625@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10 (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <146625@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > >I have been using the in-built nudging facility already quite some time. > >Do not recall since which version it was implemented (2.48??) > > Something like that. > > >But do know that almost all objects in the OvPro manual, present on > >the CD, were positioned using this in-built facility. > > A tribute to your patience. The ability to use the cursor keys to move the > mouse pointer whilst dragging is taking place is useful, but it is hard work > for a lot of objects. It is probably easier if you use the mouse left > handed, otherwise you have to use the cursor keys with your left hand. > So that's why I find it so effective, being left-handed. -- Alan Adams alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 12 18:52:19 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA147002 for opro ; Mon, 12 Mar 101 18:52:17 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 984406174:20:23705:23; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 14:09:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2112085; 12 Mar 2001 14:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA23038 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 14:01:26 GMT Received: from inca.sle.sharp.co.uk (root@[193.114.241.3]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA23035 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 14:01:16 GMT Received: from sharp.co.uk (aardog.sle.sharp.co.uk [192.16.16.173]) by inca.sle.sharp.co.uk (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA26603 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 13:59:29 GMT Message-ID: <3AACD6AE.2030009@sharp.co.uk> Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 14:01:18 +0000 From: Graham Jones Organization: Sharp Laboratories of Europe User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; WinNT4.0; en-US; 0.8) Gecko/20010215 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf, ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ovation Pro List Subject: Image type for referenced images Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Has anyone managed to change image format, say from Sprite to JPEG, by referencing the image then substituting files of the same name but in different formats? Recently I have been trying to do this, and looking through the mailing list archives I see somebody else asked this a while ago. David's answer was that including by reference and then changing the format of the file should work. When I have tried this OvPro crashes with a type 5 error. Has anybody got this to work? Alternatively, is there away of locking the image scale and position so that they remain the same if a different image is dragged into the frame? At the moment image position and scale locks do not seem to be maintained in this situation. I'm using Ovation Pro 2.62 Graham. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 12 22:53:49 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA147039 for opro ; Mon, 12 Mar 101 22:53:48 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 984433525:10:22124:14; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 21:45:25 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1112830; 12 Mar 2001 21:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA24248 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 21:42:00 GMT Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail4.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.33]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA22790 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 12:26:25 GMT Received: from heraldgate2.oucs.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.50] helo=frontend2.herald.ox.ac.uk ident=exim) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1) id 14cRP8-0002ZJ-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 12:26:26 +0000 Received: from catz-7a7.stcatz.ox.ac.uk ([129.67.7.167] helo=catz-7A7) by frontend2.herald.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 14cRP8-0008OI-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 12:26:26 +0000 Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 12:26:53 From: Russell Palmer To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: stealthy fonts Mailer: ArpieMail version 0.20 User-Agent: POPstar/2.02 Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hi, I have a number of documents which claim to contain many more fonts than they actually do (ie. they are reported missing on loa Cheers, Russ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 12 22:53:50 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA147040 for opro ; Mon, 12 Mar 101 22:53:48 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 984433597:20:14836:26; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 21:46:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2014688; 12 Mar 2001 21:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA24238 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 21:41:54 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA24235 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 21:41:52 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14ca4c-0005xF-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 21:41:50 +0000 Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 21:35:14 GMT Message-Id: <147031@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Image type for referenced images X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Has anyone managed to change image format, say from Sprite to JPEG, by >referencing the image then substituting files of the same name but in >different formats? This brings to mind a discussion with Alan Gibson (regarding bar codes images), I hope he can remember the conclusion. Maybe it works for mail merge but not statically, maybe there's a fiddle... >Alternatively, is there away of locking the image scale and position so that >they remain the same if a different image is dragged into the frame? At the >moment image position and scale locks do not seem to be maintained in this >situation. Things like centre lock will be. There is a situation where the position is maintained, like copy via the clipboard. I suppose OLE might be another way. This has come up recently elsewhere, might be a thing to improve. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 12 22:53:55 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA147042 for opro ; Mon, 12 Mar 101 22:53:52 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 984433670:20:17305:14; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 21:47:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2101787; 12 Mar 2001 21:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA24246 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 21:41:57 GMT Received: from scrabble.freeuk.net (scrabble.freeuk.net [212.126.144.6]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA17715 for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2001 21:43:46 GMT Received: from du-004-0012.freeuk.com ([212.126.149.12] helo=freeuk.net) by scrabble.freeuk.net with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1) id 14br9P-0004YB-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 10 Mar 2001 21:43:48 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Brock To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 21:43:12 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Help with a mail-merge field macro please... Message-ID: <4a593fe3e3badger.set@freeuk.com> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02d (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R A little more help please... I use an Ovation Pro document for printing out recorded mail delivery slips. They print out one to a page. I only want them to be produced for orders of three items or more, hence (amongst other bits) my query last week which has been largely solved by the use of {if(stoi(field(19))<3) nextrecord()} in the first mail-merge field (which I have labelled '98' 'Skip record'). This works well except when there are two consecutive records with less than three in field 19. In these cases, the second of the two records is printed regardless of the figure in field 19. Thanks for the help so far!... -- Richard Brock -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Mar 13 02:00:00 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA147059 for opro ; Tue, 13 Mar 101 01:59:59 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 984440048:20:29199:13; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 23:34:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2029143; 12 Mar 2001 23:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA24745 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 23:30:28 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA24738 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 23:30:25 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14cbli-000PCY-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 23:30:26 +0000 Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 23:22:52 GMT Message-Id: <147055@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: stealthy fonts X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I have a number of documents which claim to contain many more fonts than >they actually do (ie. they are reported missing on loa Please could you post from the address you are subscribed to the list with? This is from the bug fix info with 2.60 DP 281 There is a scenario where when a document is loaded, OvationPro flags missing fonts despite the fonts in question not being used. Selecting the replace fonts option does not fix things. The nature of the bug which leads to OvationPro losing count of font usages remains obscure. However the program is now changed so that if the replace option is selected on loading then references to missing fonts are removed. So a subsequent save will produce a document that will load without any missing font messages. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Mar 13 02:00:04 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA147060 for opro ; Tue, 13 Mar 101 02:00:03 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 984440043:10:14777:13; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 23:34:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1014743; 12 Mar 2001 23:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA24746 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 23:30:29 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA24742 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 23:30:26 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14cblj-000PCY-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 23:30:27 +0000 Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 23:24:54 GMT Message-Id: <147057@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Help with a mail-merge field macro please... X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R >orders of three items or more, hence (amongst other bits) my query last >week which has been largely solved by the use of > {if(stoi(field(19))<3) nextrecord()} >'Skip record'). This works well except when there are two consecutive >records with less than three in field 19. In these cases, the second of Something *like* {while(stoi(field(19))<3) nextrecord();} *like* that because clearly there's a need to break out of the while loop if you hit the end of the records. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Mar 13 14:34:50 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA147071 for opro ; Tue, 13 Mar 101 14:34:48 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 984491949:10:15981:13; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 13:59:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1015647; 13 Mar 2001 13:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA26899 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 13:52:47 GMT Received: from host1.kbnet.co.uk (host1.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA26896 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 13:52:45 GMT Received: from kbnet.co.uk (dialup033.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.195]) by host1.kbnet.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA27745 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 13:47:52 GMT Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 10:21:49 GMT From: Mike Williams To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: stealthy fonts Message-ID: <24048d5a4a.akalat@akalat.kbnet.co.uk> References: <147055@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <147055@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Akalat Publishing User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/3.60) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id NAA26897 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <147055@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > >I have a number of documents which claim to contain many more fonts than > >they actually do (ie. they are reported missing on loa > > This is from the bug fix info with 2.60 > > DP 281 > > There is a scenario where when a document is loaded, OvationPro flags > missing fonts despite the fonts in question not being used. Selecting > the replace fonts option does not fix things. > > The nature of the bug which leads to OvationPro losing count of font usages > remains obscure. However the program is now changed so that if the replace > option is selected on loading then references to missing fonts are removed. > So a subsequent save will produce a document that will load without > any missing font messages. > > David Pilling > This obviously needs care in case a font is accidentally but genuinely missing. Generally, after this situation, I run the Font Mike Williams Akalat Publishing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Mar 13 17:26:55 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA147078 for opro ; Tue, 13 Mar 101 17:26:53 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 984500465:10:12411:14; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 16:21:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1108603; 13 Mar 2001 16:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA27436 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 16:14:51 GMT Received: from blueyonder.co.uk (pcow024o.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.53.126]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA27433 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 16:14:49 GMT Received: from agse00.blueyonder.co.uk ([194.117.144.55]) by blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.197.19); Tue, 13 Mar 2001 16:16:34 +0000 Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 15:43:55 +0000 (GMT) From: Alan Gibson Subject: Re: Image type for referenced images To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <147031@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Liquid Silicon X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 12 Mar, David Pilling wrote: > > >Has anyone managed to change image format, say from Sprite to JPEG, by > >referencing the image then substituting files of the same name but in > >different formats? > > This brings to mind a discussion with Alan Gibson (regarding bar codes > images), I hope he can remember the conclusion. Maybe it works for mail > merge but not statically, maybe there's a fiddle... IIRC, it didn't spot the file had changed and you had to 'munge' it to toggle off and then on again to reload the file in. Something like that, anyway! I'm hoping future versions of OP will check that to make it a bit easier to mail merge graphics :-) I'd better look at my code again to make sure it works in time for Wakefield... Alan -- __ _ _ _ ____ _ _ _ | | (_)___ _ _(_)_| | / __(_| (_)__ ___ ___ Tel: +44 1592 592265 | |_| / _ | \| | / _ | \_ \.| | | / _/ _ | \ Fax: +44 1592 596102 |____|_\_ |\___|_\___| /____/|_|_|_\__\___|_|\_| sales@liquid-silicon.com RISC OS |__/ music specialists. http://www.liquid-silicon.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Mar 13 17:26:59 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA147079 for opro ; Tue, 13 Mar 101 17:26:56 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 984495852:20:15151:31; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 15:04:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2014232; 13 Mar 2001 15:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA27096 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 14:36:11 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA27093 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 14:36:09 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14cptU-0003qT-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 14:36:06 +0000 Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 02:07:24 GMT Message-Id: <147063@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: High resolution printing problem X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Below is an email someone sent me which seems interesting. There have been previous reports that hight res. printing goes wrong, although not quite the way described below. >I have been struggling to print an A3 document to an Epsom EX printer. My >drafts at 360 dpi printed fine but I found that moving to 720 dpi caused >problems. The text pages printed fine but pages with graphics (typically >1-1.5MB BW sprites) caused an 'OvationPro may have gone wrong etc error'. >So I went back to 2.60 from the CD and found the problem had gone and by a >process of elimination found that the presence of !OArtworks (1.6) in my >Applets directory was causing the problem. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Mar 13 17:27:05 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA147082 for opro ; Tue, 13 Mar 101 17:27:03 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 984501329:20:25842:19; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 16:35:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2119346; 13 Mar 2001 16:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA27450 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 16:15:49 GMT Received: from smtp03.wxs.nl (smtp03.wxs.nl [195.121.6.37]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA27447 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 16:15:47 GMT From: Received: from delink.wxs.nl ([195.121.38.28]) by smtp03.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 4.05) with SMTP id GA595H04.OJP for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 17:15:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 17:14:11 +0100 Subject: High resolution printing problem Message-ID: <4a5aad469fpaul@delink.nl> In-Reply-To: <147063@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <147063@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.14i (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I've never faced difficulties printing graphics at high resolutions (always at 1200 DPI), even with the !OArtworks applet 1.6 present. (Using Opro 2.62, Lexmark 1200 DPI postscript printer, StrongArm RPC). Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Mar 14 01:19:27 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA147098 for opro ; Wed, 14 Mar 101 01:19:24 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 984516490:20:16954:20; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 20:48:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2016150; 13 Mar 2001 20:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA28265 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 20:41:05 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA28260 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 20:41:03 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14cvbL-0003ya-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 20:41:03 +0000 Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 17:29:47 GMT Message-Id: <147083@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: High resolution printing problem X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I've never faced difficulties printing graphics at high resolutions (always >at 1200 DPI), even with the !OArtworks applet 1.6 present. >(Using Opro 2.62, Lexmark 1200 DPI postscript printer, StrongArm RPC). Yes but you're using PostScript, which makes all the difference in the world. ISTR all the ones who have had problems have been using Epson ink jets. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Mar 14 14:05:03 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA147116 for opro ; Wed, 14 Mar 101 14:05:01 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 984562123:20:01288:19; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 09:28:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2128669; 14 Mar 2001 9:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA30897 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 09:08:03 GMT Received: from host1.kbnet.co.uk (host1.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA30894 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 09:07:57 GMT Received: from kbnet.co.uk (dialup036.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.198]) by host1.kbnet.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA13199 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 09:03:12 GMT Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 10:28:15 GMT From: Mike Williams To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Image type for referenced images Message-ID: References: <3AACD6AE.2030009@sharp.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <3AACD6AE.2030009@sharp.co.uk> X-Organization: Akalat Publishing User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/3.60) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id JAA30895 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <3AACD6AE.2030009@sharp.co.uk> you wrote: > Has anyone managed to change image format, say from Sprite to JPEG, by > referencing the image then substituting files of the same name but in > different formats? > > Recently I have been trying to do this, and looking through the mailing list > archives I see somebody else asked this a while ago. David's answer was that > including by reference and then changing the format of the file should work. > > When I have tried this OvPro crashes with a type 5 error. Has anybody got > this to work? > > Alternatively, is there away of locking the image scale and position so that > they remain the same if a different image is dragged into the frame? At the > moment image position and scale locks do not seem to be maintained in this > situation. > > I'm using Ovation Pro 2.62 > > Graham. I cannot comment on changing file format, but I have loaded a sprite file by reference, checked the scaling, then resized the i Mike Williams Akalat Publishing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Mar 15 13:24:21 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA147157 for opro ; Thu, 15 Mar 101 13:24:19 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 984653754:20:12197:413; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 10:55:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2027400; 15 Mar 2001 10:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f2FASQZ03140 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 10:28:26 GMT Received: from delta.barnet.ac.uk (itsspol@delta.barnet.ac.uk [194.82.200.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f2FASL503131 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 10:28:22 GMT Received: from [193.114.241.3] (helo=inca.sle.sharp.co.uk ident=root) by delta.barnet.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.14 #6) id 14dUS8-000432-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 09:53:52 +0000 Received: from sharp.co.uk (aardog.sle.sharp.co.uk [192.16.16.173]) by inca.sle.sharp.co.uk (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA02616 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 09:51:57 GMT Message-ID: <3AB09130.2020608@sharp.co.uk> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 09:53:52 +0000 From: Graham Jones Organization: Sharp Laboratories of Europe User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; WinNT4.0; en-US; 0.8) Gecko/20010215 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf, ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Image type for referenced images References: <3AACD6AE.2030009@sharp.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Graham Jones wrote: > Has anyone managed to change image format, say from Sprite to JPEG, by > referencing the image then substituting files of the same name but in > different formats? OK, I've had another go at this last night, this time saving my document as DDL and reloading it after changing the image format. With the images converted to JPEG I managed reload the file and saw what I wanted to see. When I tried EPS with JPEG image data Ovation Pro would crash if there were more than a few (4 or 5) - this happens whether the EPS files had previews or not. The EPS files were created by David Pilling's scanning software from my original Sprites. I am not using proxy images for on screen use. Ovation still crashes if I change the image type and reload an Ovation Pro document (not DDL). The reason I want to do this is to make nice PDF files where the images haven't been mashed by the RISC OS printer driver. Any possible improvement in this area of image handling would help a lot. Graham. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Mar 15 21:09:57 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA147165 for opro ; Thu, 15 Mar 101 21:09:55 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 984664211:20:25166:68; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 13:50:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2114275; 15 Mar 2001 13:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f2FDkAt04819 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 13:46:10 GMT Received: from smtp05.wxs.nl (smtp05.wxs.nl [195.121.6.57]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f2FDk8504816 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 13:46:08 GMT Received: from delink.wxs.nl ([195.121.38.67]) by smtp05.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 4.05) with SMTP id GA8RKS00.AUI for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 14:46:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 14:46:02 +0100 Subject: vdu text Message-ID: <4a5ba7622dpaul@delink.nl> In-Reply-To: <3AB09130.2020608@sharp.co.uk> References: <3AB09130.2020608@sharp.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.14i (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hello, Suddenly I get a lot of error's during printing: 'Printer driver cannot handle vdu characters' or something like that. It happens after two or three (or four) prints, after which a total reset is the one and only solution. I tried Impression as a check - but this one seems to have no problems. All the documents are pure Opro files. Using Opro 2.62, SA RPC, RO4 and a postscript printer. Kind regards, Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Mar 15 21:10:10 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA147171 for opro ; Thu, 15 Mar 101 21:10:09 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 984686480:20:06755:72; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 20:01:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2104394; 15 Mar 2001 20:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f2FK0Ok05853 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 20:00:24 GMT Received: from scrabble.freeuk.net (scrabble.freeuk.net [212.126.144.6]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f2FK0M505850 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 20:00:22 GMT Received: from du-002-0164.freeuk.com ([212.126.156.164] helo=freeuk.net) by scrabble.freeuk.net with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1) id 14ddv5-0001Kr-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 20:00:24 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Brock To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 20:00:26 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Help with a mail-merge field macro please... Message-ID: <4a5bc9a96dbadger.set@freeuk.com> In-Reply-To: <147057@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <147057@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02d (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <147057@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >orders of three items or more, hence (amongst other bits) my query last > >week which has been largely solved by the use of > > {if(stoi(field(19))<3) nextrecord()} > >'Skip record'). This works well except when there are two consecutive > >records with less than three in field 19. In these cases, the second of > Something *like* > {while(stoi(field(19))<3) nextrecord();} > *like* that because clearly there's a need to break out of the while > loop if you hit the end of the records. > David Pilling Thanks David. I'll have a go at this at the weekend. -- Richard Brock -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Mar 16 01:29:23 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA147189 for opro ; Fri, 16 Mar 101 01:29:21 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 984693099:10:14711:72; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 21:51:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1013943; 15 Mar 2001 21:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f2FLoRJ06229 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 21:50:27 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f2FLoP506226 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 21:50:25 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14dfda-0003yc-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 21:50:26 +0000 Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 21:46:32 GMT Message-Id: <147185@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Image type for referenced images X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >OK, I've had another go at this last night, this time saving my document >as DDL and reloading it after changing the image format. With the images >converted to JPEG I managed reload the file and saw what I wanted to see. >When I tried EPS with JPEG image data Ovation Pro would crash if there >were more than a few (4 or 5) - this happens whether the EPS files had >previews or not. >From this and another recent saga, I've come to the conclusion that DDL load may go wrong if a lot of images need processing. I'll try to reproduce the problem and fix it. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Mar 16 01:30:11 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA147190 for opro ; Fri, 16 Mar 101 01:29:21 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 984693065:20:29333:67; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 21:51:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2029165; 15 Mar 2001 21:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f2FLoOZ06224 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 21:50:24 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f2FLoN506221 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 21:50:23 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14dfdY-0003yc-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 21:50:24 +0000 Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 21:41:23 GMT Message-Id: <147183@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: vdu text X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Suddenly I get a lot of error's during printing: 'Printer driver cannot >handle vdu characters' or something like that. Text mode output. Can be things like debug code left in programs (e.g. applets). For what its worth there have been a few very odd episodes of people reporting this sort of thing, and Tablemate is usually noted as being involved. >I tried Impression as a check - but this one seems to have no problems. Assuming you're printing exactly the same thing. Impression drives the printer driver in a different way to OPro... to make things more equal, OPro Printer Choices, untick 'background'. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Mar 16 01:30:13 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA147191 for opro ; Fri, 16 Mar 101 01:30:12 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 984693334:20:06282:75; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 21:55:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2121408; 15 Mar 2001 21:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f2FLsiO06273 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 21:54:44 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f2FLsg506270 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 21:54:42 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14dfhk-0007iL-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 21:54:44 +0000 Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 21:50:59 GMT Message-Id: <147187@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: LockSwitch X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, The latest version of the LockSwitch applet (which provides buttons for toggling lock to grid and lock to frames) is now available from http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ where you can of course find all sorts of Ovation Pro goodies. This version just consolidates the recent minor bug fixes discussed here. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Mar 16 01:30:18 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA147193 for opro ; Fri, 16 Mar 101 01:30:16 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 984698119:20:01193:67; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 23:15:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2108639; 15 Mar 2001 23:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f2FNEFJ06745 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 23:14:15 GMT Received: from blueyonder.co.uk (pcow034o.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.53.122]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f2FNEE506742 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 23:14:14 GMT Received: from acbr33068.blueyonder.co.uk ([213.48.102.178]) by blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.197.19); Thu, 15 Mar 2001 23:16:02 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tony Cropper To: Ovation Pro List Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 23:14:31 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Image type for referenced images Message-ID: <4a5bdb6e55tony@cropp.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <3AACD6AE.2030009@sharp.co.uk> References: <3AACD6AE.2030009@sharp.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <3AACD6AE.2030009@sharp.co.uk>, Graham Jones wrote: > Has anyone managed to change image format, say from Sprite to JPEG, by > referencing the image then substituting files of the same name but in > different formats? > Recently I have been trying to do this, and looking through the mailing > list archives I see somebody else asked this a while ago. David's answer > was that including by reference and then changing the format of the file > should work. > When I have tried this OvPro crashes with a type 5 error. Has anybody got > this to work? Is there any particular reason why you are not shift/dragging Jpegs directly into your OPro frames to reference (and proxy) them? I may have got wrong what you mean but it seems the simple solution just to use the Jpegs throughout and not bother with any substitution. Incidentally, how big is the OPro file you are working on? tony -- tony cropper bristol uk Email: tony@cropp.demon.co.uk Web: http://www.cropp.demon.co.uk/ BARUG: http://www.snave.demon.co.uk/BARUG/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Mar 16 01:30:21 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA147194 for opro ; Fri, 16 Mar 101 01:30:19 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 984698880:20:18562:71; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 23:28:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2018526; 15 Mar 2001 23:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f2FNRlC06821 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 23:27:47 GMT Received: from mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.worldonline.com (mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.worldonline.com [212.74.112.72]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f2FNRj506818 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 23:27:45 GMT Received: from ppp-3-211.5800-12.access.uk.worldonline.com ([62.64.185.211] helo=ghc) by mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.worldonline.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #3) id 14dh9V-000C9N-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 23:27:29 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Gavin Crawford To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 23:27:09 +0000 (GMT) Subject: NudgePal - Version 1.02 released Message-ID: <4a5bdc965dgav@crawford-print.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02d (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, The latest version of my NudgePal applet can be dowloaded from: http://www.crawford-print.co.uk/resources.html This version fixes a small problem with the palette window. It can now be iconised, and moving with Adjust keeps the correct stacking order. Also introduced in this version is the ability to create extra key macros to allow nudging in the diagonal directions. For anyone that missed my initial announcement - NudgePal is an applet that allows selected objects to be nudged into a new position by use of arrow buttons or key presses. Gav. -- Gavin Crawford email: gav@crawford-print.co.uk web: www.crawford-print.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Mar 16 14:18:00 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA147197 for opro ; Fri, 16 Mar 101 14:17:58 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 984734504:20:12716:75; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 09:21:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2012468; 16 Mar 2001 9:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f2G9L1H08585 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 09:21:01 GMT Received: from inca.sle.sharp.co.uk (root@[193.114.241.3]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f2G9Kx508581 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 09:20:59 GMT Received: from sharp.co.uk (aardog.sle.sharp.co.uk [192.16.16.173]) by inca.sle.sharp.co.uk (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA16195 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 09:17:47 GMT Message-ID: <3AB1DAAF.4010204@sharp.co.uk> Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 09:19:43 +0000 From: Graham Jones Organization: Sharp Laboratories of Europe User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; WinNT4.0; en-US; 0.8) Gecko/20010215 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf, ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Image type for referenced images References: <147185@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R David Pilling wrote: >From this and another recent saga, I've come to the conclusion that DDL load > may go wrong if a lot of images need processing. I'll try to reproduce > the problem and fix it. While we're talking about DDL changes, I have noticed that the document preferences are not (all) stored when a DDL file is saved. The ones I noticed were to do with the baseline grid and origin. Again, is this intentional or accident? Yesterday I also noticed a couple of frames where the text was vertically centered or bottom aligned were re-loaded from DDL with top alignment. As it stands reloading a DDL file where the original doc had a non-default baseline grid does not exactly re-create the original document. Graham. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Mar 16 14:18:07 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA147200 for opro ; Fri, 16 Mar 101 14:18:04 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 984734054:10:04543:72; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 09:14:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1109191; 16 Mar 2001 9:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f2G9Bxv08478 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 09:11:59 GMT Received: from inca.sle.sharp.co.uk (root@[193.114.241.3]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f2G9Bv508475 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 09:11:57 GMT Received: from sharp.co.uk (aardog.sle.sharp.co.uk [192.16.16.173]) by inca.sle.sharp.co.uk (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA16066 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 09:10:05 GMT Message-ID: <3AB1D8E2.5080003@sharp.co.uk> Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 09:12:02 +0000 From: Graham Jones Organization: Sharp Laboratories of Europe User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; WinNT4.0; en-US; 0.8) Gecko/20010215 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf, ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Image type for referenced images References: <3AACD6AE.2030009@sharp.co.uk> <4a5bdb6e55tony@cropp.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Tony Cropper wrote: > Is there any particular reason why you are not shift/dragging Jpegs > directly into your OPro frames to reference (and proxy) them? Because I need high res Sprites for output to a phototypesetter as the main output of the document. Once it is all done and finished I want to be able to substitute JPEGs or EPS/JPEG images and produce a PDF version as well. > Incidentally, how big is the OPro file you are working on? Well, at the moment 8 pages, with a total of around 30 images in the whole doc, but I would like to be able to apply the same principle to a 400 page doc. Graham. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Mar 17 02:03:41 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA147250 for opro ; Sat, 17 Mar 101 02:03:40 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 984794292:20:10746:69; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 01:58:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2010669; 17 Mar 2001 1:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f2H1u4l11256 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 01:56:04 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f2H1u2511248 for ; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 01:56:02 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14e5wp-000Dm0-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 01:56:03 +0000 Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 01:48:22 GMT Message-Id: <147244@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Image type for referenced images X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >While we're talking about DDL changes, I have noticed that the document >preferences are not (all) stored when a DDL file is saved. The ones I >noticed were to do with the baseline grid and origin. Again, is this >intentional or accident? It came out of the idea that things like view data are not stored in DDL, but it is wrong, because some preferences (like the baseline grid) actually change the document structure. I intend to fix this soon. >Yesterday I also noticed a couple of frames where the text was vertically >centered or bottom aligned were re-loaded from DDL with top alignment. Err oops, thats a bug. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Mar 17 13:43:23 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA147263 for opro ; Sat, 17 Mar 101 13:43:22 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 984827554:20:04778:67; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 11:12:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2120405; 17 Mar 2001 11:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f2HBAMb12655 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 11:10:22 GMT Received: from scrabble.freeuk.net (scrabble.freeuk.net [212.126.144.6]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f2HBAK512652 for ; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 11:10:20 GMT Received: from du-006-0205.freeuk.com ([212.126.147.205] helo=freeuk.net) by scrabble.freeuk.net with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1) id 14eEb9-0004nP-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 11:10:15 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Brock To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 10:48:41 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Help with a mail-merge field macro please... Message-ID: <4a5c9ed1b7badger.set@freeuk.com> In-Reply-To: <4a593fe3e3badger.set@freeuk.com> References: <4a593fe3e3badger.set@freeuk.com> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02d (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On 10 Mar, badger.set@freeuk.com wrote: > I use an Ovation Pro document for printing out recorded mail delivery > slips. They print out one to a page. I only want them to be produced for > orders of three items or more, hence (amongst other bits) my query last > week which has been largely solved by the use of > {if(stoi(field(19))<3) nextrecord()} > in the first mail-merge field (which I have labelled > '98' 'Skip record'). This works well except when there are two > consecutive records with less than three in field 19. In these cases, > the second of the two records is printed regardless of the figure in > field 19. In article <147057@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > Something *like* > {while(stoi(field(19))<3) nextrecord();} > *like* that because clearly there's a need to break out of the while > loop if you hit the end of the records. The expression I arrived at after a fun-filled hour is {for (stoi(field(19))<3; nextrecord()=0;) nextrecord()} It's working so far anyway! Thanks -- Richard Brock -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Mar 17 16:33:46 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA147280 for opro ; Sat, 17 Mar 101 16:33:43 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 984845524:10:20669:68; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 16:12:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1020405; 17 Mar 2001 16:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f2HGAib13503 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 16:10:44 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f2HGAh513500 for ; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 16:10:43 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14eJHv-000CtZ-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 16:10:43 +0000 Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 16:04:24 GMT Message-Id: <147278@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Help with a mail-merge field macro please... X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > {for (stoi(field(19))<3; nextrecord()=0;) nextrecord()} while(1) { if(stoi(field(19)>=3) break; if(nextrecord()!=0) break; } If you always want to move to the next record, prefix this with nextrecord(); David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 19 18:57:18 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA147289 for opro ; Mon, 19 Mar 101 18:57:15 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 984850413:10:09236:67; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 17:33:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1112384; 17 Mar 2001 17:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f2HHWw313881 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 17:32:58 GMT Received: from scrabble.freeuk.net (scrabble.freeuk.net [212.126.144.6]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f2HHWu513878 for ; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 17:32:56 GMT Received: from du-006-0044.freeuk.com ([212.126.147.44] helo=freeuk.net) by scrabble.freeuk.net with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1) id 14eKZT-0001Op-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 17:32:55 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Brock To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 17:32:31 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Help with a mail-merge field macro please... Message-ID: <4a5cc3ca80badger.set@freeuk.com> In-Reply-To: <4a5c9ed1b7badger.set@freeuk.com> References: <4a593fe3e3badger.set@freeuk.com> <4a5c9ed1b7badger.set@freeuk.com> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02d (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <4a5c9ed1b7badger.set@freeuk.com>, Richard Brock wrote: > The expression I arrived at after a fun-filled hour is > {for (stoi(field(19))<3; nextrecord()=0;) nextrecord()} > It's working so far anyway! Humph, well it worked on the CSV file I was experimenting with. Unfortunately it turns out that all it achieves is to select every other record - which happened to match that CSV file contents, but not much use otherwise! Then, in article <147278@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > while(1) > { > if(stoi(field(19)>=3) break; > if(nextrecord()!=0) break; > } > If you always want to move to the next record, prefix this with > nextrecord(); Thanks David, I'll try it. -- Richard Brock -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 19 18:58:00 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA147307 for opro ; Mon, 19 Mar 101 18:57:58 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 984927040:20:27588:70; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 14:50:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2027367; 18 Mar 2001 14:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f2IEhJ316944 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 14:43:19 GMT Received: from mail3.svr.pol.co.uk (mail3.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.19]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f2IEhG516941 for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 14:43:16 GMT Received: from modem-116.nobelium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.70.244] helo=redhotant.com) by mail3.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 14eeOs-0002xP-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 14:43:18 +0000 Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 14:43:10 +0000 From: Mark Daniel To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: backups and autosave Message-ID: <4d1f385d4a%mad_cow@freeserve.co.uk> X-Organization: Mad Cow Software X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b User-Agent: POPstar/2.02 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro [snip] I've always thought that it would be nice to have StrongED style autosave in OvPro. The file is automatically saved every x minutes, without you needing to confirm, to a file in then when you save the document manually, or quit the program it deletes this scrap file. When the program loads it checks if the backup dir is empty, if it isn't then the dir is opened to allow you do something with the files, thus if OvPro or the computer crashed the backup is left and is shown for the user to deal with. Obviously this doesn't cover all the problems but it solves quite a few in quite a nice way. Mark. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 19 18:58:05 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA147309 for opro ; Mon, 19 Mar 101 18:58:03 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 984957482:10:25890:69; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 23:18:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1117390; 18 Mar 2001 23:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f2INHFE18311 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 23:17:15 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f2INHD518308 for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 23:17:13 GMT Received: from ypical.demon.co.uk ([158.152.78.65]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 14emQF-00098v-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 23:17:15 +0000 Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 22:07:27 GMT From: Fred Bambrough To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: backups and autosave Message-ID: <49cc605d4a.fred@ypical.demon.co.uk> References: <4d1f385d4a%mad_cow@freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4d1f385d4a%mad_cow@freeserve.co.uk> X-Organization: @ypical User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <4d1f385d4a%mad_cow@freeserve.co.uk> Mark Daniel wrote: > > [snip] > > I've always thought that it would be nice to have StrongED style autosave > in OvPro. The file is automatically saved every x minutes, without you > needing to confirm, to a file in then when you save the > document manually, or quit the program it deletes this scrap file. [snip] What's the advantage over Misc -> Preferences -> General -> Autosave? -- Fred -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Mar 20 02:22:37 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA147342 for opro ; Tue, 20 Mar 101 02:22:34 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 985031253:10:03486:116; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 19:47:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1003586; 19 Mar 2001 19:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f2JJilc21416 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 19:44:47 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f2JJij521413 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 19:44:45 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14f5aB-0000KN-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 19:44:47 +0000 Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 19:41:34 GMT Message-Id: <147340@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Help with a mail-merge field macro please... X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > { > if(stoi(field(19)>=3) break; > if(nextrecord()!=0) break; > } Should be { if(stoi(field(19))>=3) break; if(nextrecord()!=0) break; } i.e. there was a missing ) in the second line above. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Mar 20 02:22:47 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA147348 for opro ; Tue, 20 Mar 101 02:22:45 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 985049470:20:19269:81; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 00:51:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2018909; 20 Mar 2001 0:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f2K0oaT22372 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 00:50:36 GMT Received: from protactinium (protactinium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.176]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f2K0oX522369 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 00:50:33 GMT Received: from [213.122.60.93] (helo=martin.lexicon) by protactinium with smtp (Exim 3.03 #83) id 14fAM7-0005FA-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 00:50:35 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Martin Longley To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 00:49:06 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: I can't type 'fi' Message-ID: <4a5df36f05mlongley@btinternet.com> In-Reply-To: <4a5df2a68brayd@argonet.co.uk> References: <4a5df1c1c6mlongley@btinternet.com> <4a5df2a68brayd@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02d (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4a5df2a68brayd@argonet.co.uk>, Ray Dawson wrote: > In article <4a5df1c1c6mlongley@btinternet.com>, > Martin Longley wrote: > > Help. > > This has to be something so obvious it's staring me in the face. If I > > type fi then both letters disappear. I can drag them in from a > > textfile. I thought it must be an applet that's causing the probelm but > > I've hunted through all of them with no luck. > You've probably got the As-you-type applet (or similar) with Ligatures > set. Thank you. Martin Longley -- mlongley@btinternet.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Mar 20 02:22:53 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA147351 for opro ; Tue, 20 Mar 101 02:22:52 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 985048260:10:10340:70; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 00:31:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1102040; 20 Mar 2001 0:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f2K0TUW22199 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 00:29:30 GMT Received: from carbon.btinternet.com (carbon.btinternet.com [194.73.73.92]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f2K0TS522196 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 00:29:28 GMT Received: from [213.122.60.93] (helo=martin.lexicon) by carbon.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.03 #83) id 14fA1h-00038m-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 00:29:30 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Martin Longley To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 00:30:47 +0000 (GMT) Subject: I can't type 'fi' Message-ID: <4a5df1c1c6mlongley@btinternet.com> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02d (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Help. This has to be something so obvious it's staring me in the face. If I type fi then both letters disappear. I can drag them in from a textfile. I thought it must be an applet that's causing the probelm but I've hunted through all of them with no luck. Martin Longley -- mlongley@btinternet.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Mar 20 02:22:59 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA147352 for opro ; Tue, 20 Mar 101 02:22:54 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 985048880:10:17501:69; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 00:41:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1111551; 20 Mar 2001 0:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f2K0f4A22281 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 00:41:04 GMT Received: from cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.174]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f2K0f3522278 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 00:41:03 GMT Received: from modem-27.lunar-wrasse.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.38.155] helo=modem-27) by cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 14fACu-00075e-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 00:41:05 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 00:40:33 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: I can't type 'fi' Message-ID: <4a5df2a68brayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a5df1c1c6mlongley@btinternet.com> References: <4a5df1c1c6mlongley@btinternet.com> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4a5df1c1c6mlongley@btinternet.com>, Martin Longley wrote: > Help. > This has to be something so obvious it's staring me in the face. If I > type fi then both letters disappear. I can drag them in from a > textfile. I thought it must be an applet that's causing the probelm but > I've hunted through all of them with no luck. You've probably got the As-you-type applet (or similar) with Ligatures set. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 020 8864 7208 | the audio and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Mar 20 14:54:05 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA147378 for opro ; Tue, 20 Mar 101 14:54:03 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 985097410:10:01470:69; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 14:10:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1105325; 20 Mar 2001 14:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f2KE8l824454 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 14:08:47 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id f2KE8j524451 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 14:08:46 GMT Received: from usereu01.uk.uudial.com (RiscPC) [62.188.17.85] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 14fMoT-0003gm-00; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 14:08:41 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 08:20:56 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: I can't type 'fi' Message-ID: <4a5e1cccfesteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a5df36f05mlongley@btinternet.com> References: <4a5df1c1c6mlongley@btinternet.com> <4a5df2a68brayd@argonet.co.uk> <4a5df36f05mlongley@btinternet.com> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02d (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4a5df36f05mlongley@btinternet.com>, Martin Longley wrote: > In article <4a5df2a68brayd@argonet.co.uk>, > Ray Dawson wrote: > > In article <4a5df1c1c6mlongley@btinternet.com>, > > Martin Longley wrote: > > > Help. > > > This has to be something so obvious it's staring me in the face. If I > > > type fi then both letters disappear. I can drag them in from a > > > textfile. I thought it must be an applet that's causing the probelm but > > > I've hunted through all of them with no luck. > > You've probably got the As-you-type applet (or similar) with Ligatures > > set. > Thank you. Note that if you were using a font with the ligature(s) defined as a visible character you'd see the result. Ligatures are allegedly clearer to read then the individual letters. -- Steve Pampling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Mar 22 02:12:05 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA147436 for opro ; Thu, 22 Mar 101 02:12:02 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 985206844:10:02139:71; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 20:34:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1001658; 21 Mar 2001 20:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f2LKUdA31373 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 20:30:39 GMT Received: from planet.ak.planet.gen.nz ([202.20.65.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f2LKUM531370 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 20:30:32 GMT Received: from Pzed.ak.planet.gen.nz (as5200-01.ak.planet.gen.nz [202.20.65.131]) by planet.ak.planet.gen.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA29721 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 08:29:45 +1200 (NZST) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 07:32:54 +0000 (GMT) From: David Love Subject: Watermarks in OP2.62 ... To: OvationPro User Group Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Sometime ago, thanks to David Symes, I was able to create watermarks for our personal stationery and one for the boarding cattery we operate. This was easy to do as OP2.58 had a menu item Picture - Process. This menu item is missing in OP2.62, and my watermarks are shown in full, glorious technicolour :-) I've searched the manual but can find no solution. Has anyone else solved the problem? David -- Yeah...um, do you mind if I talk about...you know... -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Mar 22 02:12:19 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA147443 for opro ; Thu, 22 Mar 101 02:12:17 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 985210665:20:06111:69; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 21:37:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2112248; 21 Mar 2001 21:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f2LLaw631640 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 21:36:58 GMT Received: from snowy.kiwilink.co.nz (snowy.kiwilink.co.nz [202.27.215.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f2LLas531637 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 21:36:54 GMT Received: from timk.ns.planet.gen.nz (ppp-32.kiwilink.co.nz [202.27.215.98]) by snowy.kiwilink.co.nz (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id f2LLZoX10104 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 09:35:50 +1200 (NZST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tim King To: OvationPro User Group Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 09:26:28 +1200 Subject: Re: Watermarks in OP2.62 ... Message-ID: <4a5ee88d96tim@de-sig.co.nz> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.02c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article , David Love wrote: > OP2.58 had a menu item Picture - Process. This menu item is missing > in OP2.62, You have selected the picture before checking the menu, yes? 'Picture' replaces 'Text'. Tim -- Tim King... de-Sig. +64 9 478.3114 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Mar 22 14:29:02 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA147456 for opro ; Thu, 22 Mar 101 14:28:59 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 985254193:10:15886:68; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 09:43:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1118795; 22 Mar 2001 9:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f2M9b2F00912 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 09:37:02 GMT Received: from stolly.southnet.co.nz (stolly.southnet.co.nz [202.49.115.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f2M9av500905 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 09:36:57 GMT Received: from danmccat.southnet.co.nz (p13.netserver1-dn.southnet.co.nz [202.36.220.143]) by stolly.southnet.co.nz (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id f2M9Ywr11051 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 21:34:58 +1200 Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 22:42:04 +1300 (BST) From: Dan McCarthy Subject: Off topic enquiry-WMF To: OvationPro User Group In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Does anybody know if there is any way yet of converting a WMF file into a draw file, or even a sprite? ------- Dan McCarthy, 8 Kings Avenue, Dunedin, New Zealand. danmccat@deepsouth.co.nz THE STEEP BIRANCAS OPERATION - GORILLA RENTALS -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Mar 22 14:29:03 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA147455 for opro ; Thu, 22 Mar 101 14:28:59 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 985232004:20:18103:70; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 03:33:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2017920; 22 Mar 2001 3:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f2M3RL832522 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 03:27:21 GMT Received: from cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.171]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f2M06P532083 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 00:06:25 GMT Received: from modem-152.alabama.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.52.152] helo=freeserve.co.uk) by cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 14fscU-0002sq-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 00:06:27 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Brian Jordan To: OvationPro User Group Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 00:05:46 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Watermarks in OP2.62 ... Message-ID: <4a5ef7235cbrian@drood68.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.02d (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , David Love wrote: > Sometime ago, thanks to David Symes, I was able to create watermarks > for our personal stationery and one for the boarding cattery we > operate. This was easy to do as OP2.58 had a menu item Picture - > Process. This menu item is missing in OP2.62, and my watermarks are > shown in full, glorious technicolour :-) You either don't have the !ColSupp applet (cuurently v 1.08) or it is not active. HTH -- Brian Jordan >From an SA RPC somewhere in North Hampshire. England Did Noah keep his bees in archives? -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Mar 22 14:29:07 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA147457 for opro ; Thu, 22 Mar 101 14:29:04 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 985254198:10:16175:67; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 09:43:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1015996; 22 Mar 2001 9:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f2M9b3u00913 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 09:37:03 GMT Received: from stolly.southnet.co.nz (stolly.southnet.co.nz [202.49.115.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f2M9aw500907 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 09:36:58 GMT Received: from danmccat.southnet.co.nz (p13.netserver1-dn.southnet.co.nz [202.36.220.143]) by stolly.southnet.co.nz (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id f2M9Z0r11054 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 21:35:00 +1200 Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 22:34:44 +1300 (BST) From: Dan McCarthy Subject: Footers and frames To: OvationPro User Group In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Not so much a problem as a minor annoyance. When one has a two-column frame with a centred footer, if one places a picture frame at the bottom of one column it will snap to the top of the footer space but will also displace the footer as if it were covering that side of the footer space. Even if one turns off the snap one has to raise the bottom of the frame about 1mm before the footer becomes centred. Is this intentional? It is easy enough to work round but the trouble is that I never notice it until the job is printed out. ------- Dan McCarthy, 8 Kings Avenue, Dunedin, New Zealand. danmccat@deepsouth.co.nz THE STEEP BIRANCAS OPERATION - ANTARCTIC REAFFORESTATION PROJECT -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Mar 22 14:29:10 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA147459 for opro ; Thu, 22 Mar 101 14:29:08 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 985257097:20:08151:73; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 10:31:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2007633; 22 Mar 2001 10:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f2MANWc01199 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 10:23:32 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f2MANU501196 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 10:23:30 GMT Received: from retreat.demon.co.uk ([158.152.123.49]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 14g2Ff-0004Pg-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 10:23:31 +0000 Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 10:26:15 GMT From: Malcolm Cowell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Off topic enquiry-WMF Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id f2MANU501197 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id f2MANWd01199 In reply to Dan MacCarthy I have !WMF->Draw which came with the Task Force CD of images from Akalat. I dont know how up to date this is but the acknowledgement with the software is: Acknowledgements !CGM->Draw and !WMF->Draw are supplied with the permission of Paul Beverley of Norwich Computer Services. They are part of a collection of graphics conversion software available on Archive Utilities disc 2 for =A32 (includes Translatr as well) from Norwich Computer Services, 96a Vauxhall Street, Norwich NR2 2SD, email sales.NCS@paston.co.uk Akalat Publishing, P.O.Box 231, Barton, Bedford MK45 4HQ email akalat@kbnet.co.uk > Does anybody know if there is any way yet of converting a WMF file=20 > into a draw file, or even a sprite? >=20 =20 --=20 Malcolm Cowell IEng MIIE Python Publishing http://www.chilternweb.co.uk =20 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Mar 22 14:29:11 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA147460 for opro ; Thu, 22 Mar 101 14:29:08 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 985257069:10:15798:84; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 10:31:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1015381; 22 Mar 2001 10:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f2MAP2v01213 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 10:25:02 GMT Received: from mail.ims-firmen.de (qmailr@mail.ims-firmen.de [212.172.125.4]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id f2MAOx501208 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 10:24:59 GMT Received: (qmail 9066 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2001 10:25:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO shelley) (217.2.244.7) by ims-firmen.de with SMTP; 22 Mar 2001 10:25:07 -0000 Received: from uff411.ucs.de (212.108.202.179) by shelley.ucs.de; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 11:22:45 +0100 Received: from kaskaskia.ucs.de by uff411.ucs.de; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 11:24:46 +0100 Received: from martinv by kaskaskia.ucs.de with local (RemoteNB 1.08beta2) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; 22 Mar 2001 11:24:43 +0100 Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 11:24:43 +0100 From: Martin Vethake To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Off topic enquiry-WMF Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: U C S User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10 (RemoteNB/1.08beta2) (RISC-OS/3.70) X-Editor: Zap 1.44 (14 Jan 2001) [TEST 4], ZapEmail 0.25 (20 Sep 2000) test-5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: > Does anybody know if there is any way yet of converting a WMF file > into a draw file, or even a sprite? > ImageFS2 will convert WMF to Draw. Regards -- Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Mar 22 14:29:16 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA147461 for opro ; Thu, 22 Mar 101 14:29:13 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 985257611:10:01515:71; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 10:40:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1001252; 22 Mar 2001 10:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f2MAYKf01297 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 10:34:20 GMT Received: from fep3-orange.clear.net.nz (fep3-orange.clear.net.nz [203.97.32.3]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f2MAYH501294 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 10:34:18 GMT Received: from ijm.clear.net.nz (b002-m010-p044.acld.clear.net.nz [203.167.200.108]) by fep3-orange.clear.net.nz (1.5/1.8) with Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 22:32:37 +1200 (GMT) From: Ian J Melville Subject: Re: Off topic enquiry-WMF To: OvationPro User Group In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 22 Mar, Dan McCarthy wrote: > Does anybody know if there is any way yet of converting a WMF file > into a draw file, or even a sprite? > Hi Dan There are certainly ways of doing it! What OS and software are you using? Cheers! > > ------- > Dan McCarthy, 8 Kings Avenue, Dunedin, New Zealand. > danmccat@deepsouth.co.nz > > THE STEEP BIRANCAS OPERATION - GORILLA RENTALS > > > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message > > -- Ian J. Melville RD 1 Ph/Fax +64-0-9-433-2225 Tangiteroria 0351 Cell +64-0-21-635-845 Aotearoa/New Zealand email ijm@clear.net.nz Webpage http://Ian_J_Melville.tripod.com _____________________________________________________________________________ Have you used an Acorn Risc OS PC? It will change your view of computing. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Mar 22 14:29:19 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA147463 for opro ; Thu, 22 Mar 101 14:29:17 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 985259112:20:27284:73; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 11:05:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2127112; 22 Mar 2001 11:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f2MAx2N01564 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 10:59:02 GMT Received: from mail1.hw.ac.uk (mail1.hw.ac.uk [137.195.170.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f2MAx0501561 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 10:59:00 GMT Received: from mail-r1.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.101.211] ident=exim) by mail1.hw.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 14g2o2-00089K-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 10:59:02 +0000 Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.32.15]) by mail-r1.hw.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 14g2o2-0007Vf-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 10:59:02 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: OvationPro User Group Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 10:56:20 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Off topic enquiry-WMF Message-ID: <4a5f32b2ebC.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.02d (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Dan McCarthy wrote: > Does anybody know if there is any way yet of converting a WMF file > into a draw file, or even a sprite? ImageFS is an obvious route - supplied with RISC OS 4, but costs ~35 ukp to buy otherwise. There are also PD/shareware utilities WMF->Draw (I think there are two with almost identical names) which can be found on various PD-CDs and also the Archive CD. Chris... -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) mailto: opro@chris-johnson.org.uk (at home) ovpro web site http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Mar 22 14:29:22 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA147465 for opro ; Thu, 22 Mar 101 14:29:21 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 985260087:20:21786:67; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 11:21:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2021128; 22 Mar 2001 11:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f2MBEw001657 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 11:14:58 GMT Received: from tvweb1.hiway.co.uk (root@tvweb1.hiway.co.uk [195.12.1.131]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f2MBEv501654 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 11:14:57 GMT Received: from websrv.quantel.com ([195.12.20.51]) by tvweb1.hiway.co.uk (8.11.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id f2MBElH00535 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 11:14:48 GMT Subject: Re: Off topic enquiry-WMF To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 10:43:56 +0000 Message-ID: X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Websrv/QuantelWeb(Release 5.0.4 |June 8, 2000) at 03/22/2001 11:18:14 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > Does anybody know if there is any way yet of converting a WMF file > into a draw file, or even a sprite? I assume you've tried !WMF->Drw. It's not perfect, but I've had some reasonable results from it. It is on a lot of the compilation CDs around. Andy Ling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Mar 22 18:02:17 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA147473 for opro ; Thu, 22 Mar 101 18:02:15 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 985273573:20:21950:73; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 15:06:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2112221; 22 Mar 2001 15:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f2MExOc03969 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 14:59:24 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id f2MExM503966 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 14:59:22 GMT Received: from userek03.uk.uudial.com (62.188.13.113) [62.188.13.113] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 14g6YW-0001hL-00; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 14:59:17 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Mijas Software) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 14:56:42 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.24 for RISC OS 4.02 Subject: Re: Off topic enquiry-WMF Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Yes WMF->Draw works most of the time - alternatively use Corel XARA on a PC. John -- ___ _ __ ___________________________________________ |\/| | | |_| (_ / Scientific/Education/Utilities - RISC OS 4 | | | _| | | __) Software / email: mijassw@argonet.co.uk - Developer ____________________________/ web: http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/mijassw/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Mar 22 18:49:08 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA147487 for opro ; Thu, 22 Mar 101 18:49:06 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 985284549:10:05694:113; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 18:09:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1004709; 22 Mar 2001 18:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f2MI2U404494 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 18:02:30 GMT Received: from planet.ak.planet.gen.nz (planet.ak.planet.gen.nz [202.20.65.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f2MI2Q504490 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 18:02:27 GMT Received: from Pzed.ak.planet.gen.nz (as5200-05.ak.planet.gen.nz [202.20.65.135]) by planet.ak.planet.gen.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id GAA11930 for ; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 06:02:24 +1200 (NZST) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 18:19:46 +0000 (GMT) From: David Love Subject: Re: Watermarks in OP2.62 ... To: OvationPro User Group In-Reply-To: <4a5ef7235cbrian@drood68.freeserve.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 22 Mar, Brian Jordan wrote: > In article , David > Love wrote: > > > Sometime ago, thanks to David Symes, I was able to create watermarks > > for our personal stationery and one for the boarding cattery we > > operate. This was easy to do as OP2.58 had a menu item Picture - > > Process. This menu item is missing in OP2.62, and my watermarks are > > shown in full, glorious technicolour :-) > > You either don't have the !ColSupp applet (cuurently v 1.08) or it is not > active. > HTH It did and all is now well. Thanks for the prompt response. David -- All political parties die at last of swallowing their own lies (John Arbuthnot (1657-1735 - Scottish physician and political pamphleteer) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Mar 22 18:49:10 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA147488 for opro ; Thu, 22 Mar 101 18:49:07 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 985284527:20:01466:68; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 18:08:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2001404; 22 Mar 2001 18:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f2MI2sQ04499 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 18:02:54 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f2MI2q504496 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 18:02:52 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14g9QE-000DZH-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 18:02:54 +0000 Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 14:33:24 GMT Message-Id: <147467@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Footers and frames X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Not so much a problem as a minor annoyance. When one has a two-column >frame with a centred footer, if one places a picture frame at the bottom >of one column it will snap to the top of the footer space but will also >displace the footer as if it were covering that side of the footer space. >Even if one turns off the snap o There is the legitimate reason that the picture frame has a repulsion curve a stand off of 1mm by default. See the text flow option on the object menu. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Mar 22 18:49:13 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA147489 for opro ; Thu, 22 Mar 101 18:49:11 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 985285481:10:08646:70; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 18:24:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1007878; 22 Mar 2001 18:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f2MIIdC04719 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 18:18:39 GMT Received: from mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (mta06-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.46]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f2MIIb504716 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 18:18:37 GMT Received: from mcqueen ([62.252.165.200]) by mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with SMTP id <20010322181830.SHLW285.mta06-svc.ntlworld.com@mcqueen> for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 18:18:30 +0000 Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 18:17:45 +0100 From: Colin McQueen To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Bug with justification Message-ID: X-Organization: The McQueen Family User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10 (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I have an 8 column broadsheet layout which has the main text set to full justification but when it prints the text is left justified. Any ideas? -- Colin McQueen : Using an Acorn StrongARM Risc PC Web Domain : http://www.mcqueen.uk.net/ BSc Zoology + Oceanography : PGCE : MSc in CBL/T -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Mar 22 18:49:15 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA147490 for opro ; Thu, 22 Mar 101 18:49:13 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 985285485:10:08747:78; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 18:24:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1108712; 22 Mar 2001 18:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f2MIJ3r04724 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 18:19:03 GMT Received: from mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (mta06-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.46]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f2MIJ1504721 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 18:19:01 GMT Received: from mcqueen ([62.252.165.200]) by mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with SMTP id <20010322181854.SHQL285.mta06-svc.ntlworld.com@mcqueen> for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 18:18:54 +0000 Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 18:19:17 +0100 From: Colin McQueen To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Crashing Message-ID: <7cc2555f4a.cmcqueen@cmcqueen.ntlworld.com> X-Organization: The McQueen Family User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10 (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R We are still getting several crashes a day mostly a halt (Alt-break works) when clicking in a frame after an extensive redo. Several means out of 3 classes of 20 maybe twice a day there are about 2 crashes per class. -- Colin McQueen : Using an Acorn StrongARM Risc PC Web Domain : http://www.mcqueen.uk.net/ BSc Zoology + Oceanography : PGCE : MSc in CBL/T -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Mar 23 01:46:52 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA147495 for opro ; Fri, 23 Mar 101 01:46:50 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 985287844:20:10913:70; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 19:04:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2126497; 22 Mar 2001 19:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f2MIvnB05024 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 18:57:49 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f2MIvl505017 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 18:57:47 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14gAHN-000JGR-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 18:57:49 +0000 Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 18:50:40 GMT Message-Id: <147491@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Bug with justification X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I have an 8 column broadsheet layout which has the main text set to full >justification but when it prints the text is left justified. Any ideas? If this is you get one thing on screen and another on paper, look to the printer drivers. There is a well known problem where enhanced justification mixed with tracking (or kerning) results in printed ragged edges. The latest (the last) version of !Printers fixed it. A good test though is to try a different class of driver, e.g. PostScript or Turbo/Laser Direct as opposed to raster (InkJet, DotMatrix, Laser Jet). David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Mar 23 01:46:53 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA147496 for opro ; Fri, 23 Mar 101 01:46:50 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 985287829:10:19066:74; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 19:03:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1114917; 22 Mar 2001 19:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f2MIvq305025 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 18:57:52 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f2MIvn505021 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 18:57:49 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14gAHO-000JGR-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 18:57:50 +0000 Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 18:53:29 GMT Message-Id: <147493@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Crashing X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro As to crashing. Obviously there are still bugs, and the most likely way of fixing them are simple examples that reproduce them. But you can reduce the likelyhood by adopting defensive techniques. For example if you use common templates as the starting point for work put them through a save as DDL, reload pass - which will clean things up. Often even if a bug has been fixed its effects live on, because new documents are always based on old documents. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Mar 23 01:47:00 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA147500 for opro ; Fri, 23 Mar 101 01:46:57 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 985297587:10:26600:69; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 21:46:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1110427; 22 Mar 2001 21:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f2MLdKU05642 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 21:39:20 GMT Received: from snowstorm.mail.pipex.net (snowstorm.mail.pipex.net [158.43.192.97]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id f2MLdI505639 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 21:39:18 GMT Received: (qmail 27492 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2001 21:39:19 -0000 Received: from userbe88.uk.uudial.com (HELO RPC) (62.188.142.10) by smtp-5.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2001 21:39:19 -0000 Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 18:59:59 +0000 From: Mik Towse To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Footers and frames Message-ID: <4A5F5EFA7E%mik.towse@xemik.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.10d POPstar/2.02 X-Editor: Zap 1.44, using ZapEmail 0.25 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article Dan McCarthy wrote: > Not so much a problem as a minor annoyance. When one has a two-column > frame with a centred footer, if one places a picture frame at the bottom > of one column it will snap to the top of the footer space but will also > displace the footer as if it were covering that side of the footer space. > Even if one turns off the snap one has to raise the bottom of the frame > about 1mm before the footer becomes centred. I have this problem wiht /non/-centred footers on a 2-col layout. To avoid this, I tend to use a 1mm /internal/ standoff & 0mm for the frame itself. > Is this intentional? I would think so. If the frame has a 1mm repel set, then it is correct for the footer to be displaced. -- Mik Towse * mik.towse@xemik.com * http://www.xemik.com/ My writers' site can be found at: http://www.lexis.org.uk Those who can, do. Those who can't, simulate. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 26 18:33:26 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA147568 for opro ; Mon, 26 Mar 101 18:33:24 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 985509398:20:27563:69; Sun, 25 Mar 2001 08:36:38 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2026994; 25 Mar 2001 8:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f2P8Wee13393 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 25 Mar 2001 09:32:40 +0100 Received: from scrabble.freeuk.net (scrabble.freeuk.net [212.126.144.6]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f2P8Wb513390 for ; Sun, 25 Mar 2001 09:32:38 +0100 Received: from du-006-0219.freeuk.com ([212.126.147.219] helo=freeuk.net) by scrabble.freeuk.net with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1) id 14h5ww-0005E6-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 25 Mar 2001 09:32:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Brock To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 09:19:47 +0100 Subject: Off topic: Waste tank almost full warning - Canon BJC-7100 Message-ID: <4a60afdff7badger.set@freeuk.com> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02d (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, Sorry to go off topic briefly. Does anyone with a Canon BJC-7100 printer have experience of dealing with a 'Waste tank almost full' warning? On my previous printer (Canon BJC-610) I was able to dry out the absorbent mats to cure the same problem. Does anyone know if the same sort of system is used in the 7100? TIA Richard -- Richard Brock -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 26 18:33:40 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA147576 for opro ; Mon, 26 Mar 101 18:33:39 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 985541245:10:25083:67; Sun, 25 Mar 2001 17:27:25 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1025009; 25 Mar 2001 17:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f2PHMUj14532 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 25 Mar 2001 18:22:30 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f2PHMS514529 for ; Sun, 25 Mar 2001 18:22:28 +0100 Received: from tarazen.demon.co.uk ([193.237.156.226] helo=tarazen) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 14hEDm-0003kP-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 25 Mar 2001 17:22:30 +0000 Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 17:00:46 +0100 From: Jon Keates To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: <4614da604a.jonkeates@tarazen.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: not much User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Subject: Auto Insert MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I think I have come across a couple of problems when using a style with Auto Insert set. The settings are : Auto Insert number format 123/n, Style Body Text, Tab after, Left Indent 10mm, First Line -5mm, Right Indent 5mm When using Justified text with auto hyphenation and enhanced justification on; if the last word on the first line of any paragraph gets hyphenated then the format is wrong, on screen and in print. The first line exceeds the right extent of the rest of the paragraph. Also, if the text after the inserted number and Tab has been set to a style which has the Case set to Title, then the first letter of the first word is not capitalised as it should be. cheers -- Jon I Think - therefore, I think I am -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Mar 27 14:50:08 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA147619 for opro ; Tue, 27 Mar 101 14:50:06 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 985655588:20:18999:68; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 01:13:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2112051; 27 Mar 2001 1:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f2R18Vw18753 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 02:08:31 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f2R18T518750 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 02:08:29 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14hhyJ-0004IF-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 01:08:32 +0000 Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 23:28:51 GMT Message-Id: <147608@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Ovation Pro 2.63 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro OvationPro 2.63 is now available from the upgrade page on the Ovation Pro area of my web sites. http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/upgrade/op263.zip This fixes a few bugs and adds some minor new features. So there's no great rush to upgrade. But as usual I'd appreciate a few brave pioneers testing it for bugs. You'll need a copy of Ovation Pro 2.60 or later to upgrade from. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Mar 27 14:51:05 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA147624 for opro ; Tue, 27 Mar 101 14:51:04 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 985655441:10:16984:72; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 01:10:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1016772; 27 Mar 2001 1:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f2R18al18758 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 02:08:36 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f2R18Y518755 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 02:08:34 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14hhyO-0004IF-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 01:08:36 +0000 Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 23:37:02 GMT Message-Id: <147610@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Auto Insert X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >When using Justified text with auto hyphenation and enhanced >justification on; if the last word on the first line of any >paragraph gets hyphenated then the format is wrong, on >screen and in print. The first line exceeds the right extent >of the rest of the paragraph. Um I think this is just a manifestation of OPro's general problem with tabs and justification (which has been discussed before). >Also, if the text after the inserted number and Tab has been >set to a style which has the Case set to Title, then the >first letter of the first word is not capitalised as it >should be. Fair enough. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Mar 27 17:33:29 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA147648 for opro ; Tue, 27 Mar 101 17:33:27 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 985709975:10:28832:96; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 16:19:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1124746; 27 Mar 2001 16:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f2RGHSi20900 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 17:17:28 +0100 Received: from cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.174]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f2RGHQ520897 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 17:17:26 +0100 Received: from modem-227.california.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.56.227] helo=beeston12) by cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 14hw9o-00006Z-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 17:17:21 +0100 Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 17:18:41 +0100 From: Robin Phillips To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Paper size problem Message-ID: <164e3614a%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> X-Organization: home X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m User-Agent: POPstar/2.02 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Dear colleague, I have recently installed OvationPro 2.60, and have not yet had time to read all of the documentation. I have successfully printed a document this afternoon in Pamphlet mode. Reading the Print-Aid document (from the DavidPilli.Documentat directory) I find on p.1 in the left column, just before the heading "When printing A4 size" the sentence "In printers select or create a paper size where the Top, Bpttom, Left and Right margins are set to zero." Please tell me what "In printers ..." refers to! When you have told me, I shall no doubt find it is something OBVIOUS, but I do feel manuals should be written for the person who does NOT know. Hopefully, Robin. -- Robin Phillips, 1, Newcastle Avenue, Beeston, Notts., NG9 1BT; Phone: +44 (0)115 922 4930 E-mail: rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Mar 27 21:10:40 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA147657 for opro ; Tue, 27 Mar 101 21:10:37 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 985712532:10:11405:68; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 17:02:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1011233; 27 Mar 2001 17:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f2RH1co21085 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 18:01:38 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f2RH1a521082 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 18:01:36 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14hwqg-0004Ok-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 17:01:38 +0000 Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 17:54:17 GMT Message-Id: <147654@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Paper size problem X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro 'In Printers' refers to the printer drivers, !Printers when run, and what sits on the icon bar showing a Printer icon. Menu over it will offer you the choice of 'Edit Paper Sizes' having created your paper with no margins, you can then open the printer control window, select the printer, menu select configure and tell that printer to use the paper you just defined. However OP 2.60 doesn't do anything radically new as regards printing, if you were happy before, I'd leave well alone. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Mar 27 21:10:40 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA147656 for opro ; Tue, 27 Mar 101 21:10:37 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 985718179:20:11454:67; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 18:36:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2011164; 27 Mar 2001 18:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f2RIZXe21384 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 19:35:33 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id f2RIZV521381 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 19:35:31 +0100 Received: from userce08.uk.uudial.com (RiscPC) [62.188.151.218] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 14hyJV-00046y-00; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 19:35:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 18:37:15 +0100 Subject: Re: Paper size problem Message-ID: <4a61ea959esteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <164e3614a%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> References: <164e3614a%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02d (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <164e3614a%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk>, Robin Phillips wrote: > Please tell me what "In printers ..." refers to! When you have told me, > I shall no doubt find it is something OBVIOUS, but I do feel manuals > should be written for the person who does NOT know. You're probably right about the manuals, however the manual in question is the one with the system: "In printers..." refers to the printer icon on your icon bar. The application !Printers starts it up you see. Does that help? -- Steve Pampling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Mar 28 21:58:28 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA147692 for opro ; Wed, 28 Mar 101 21:58:26 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 985799440:20:04005:69; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 17:10:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2105890; 28 Mar 2001 17:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f2SH17n24884 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 18:01:07 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id f2SH15524881 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 18:01:05 +0100 Received: from userbk08.uk.uudial.com (62.188.144.16) [62.188.144.16] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 14iJJg-00062T-00; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 18:01:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Dr P.N.Young" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 17:47:17 +0100 Subject: POBar again Message-ID: <4a6269d872pnyoung@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02d (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R With the utmost deference and apologies to the blessed DP, but how accurate is this? The bar-code produced for our address looks rather different from what the GPO put on our letters. I only asked :-) Any ideas? TIA, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. Anne \ / __ __ \ England. Cecilia / / \ | | |\ | / _ \http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/pnyoung James / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \_____________ pnyoung@argonet.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Mar 28 21:58:33 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA147694 for opro ; Wed, 28 Mar 101 21:58:29 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 985799719:20:12361:67; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 17:15:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2012111; 28 Mar 2001 17:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f2SH7mg24925 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 18:07:48 +0100 Received: from mail11.svr.pol.co.uk (mail11.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.23]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f2SH7k524922 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 18:07:46 +0100 Received: from modem-59.kurchatovium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.72.59] helo=kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk) by mail11.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 14iJQ9-0001Hl-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 18:07:45 +0100 Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 18:45:38 +0100 (BST) From: John PercyKerslake Subject: Re: Paper size problem To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <164e3614a%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 27 Mar, Robin Phillips wrote: > Dear colleague, > > I have recently installed OvationPro 2.60, and have not yet had time to read > all of the documentation. I have successfully printed a document this > afternoon in Pamphlet mode. > > Reading the Print-Aid document (from the DavidPilli.Documentat directory) I > find on p.1 in the left column, just before the heading "When printing A4 > size" the sentence "In printers select or create a paper size where the Top, > Bpttom, Left and Right margins are set to zero." Please tell me what "In > printers ..." refers to! When you have told me, I shall no doubt find it is > something OBVIOUS, but I do feel manuals should be written for the person who > does NOT know. > > Hopefully, Robin. Click menue ( middle mouse button) while pointing at the printer icon on the bar at the bottom left of the screen. Click select on "edit paper sizes" in the menue that apears. Set the with & hight to the actual paper size you are using. Set all margins (both text and graphics) to zero. this aplies to printers version 1.64. You can check this by clicking on info (3 places above "edit paper size") Hope this helps. -- J.P. Kerslake B.Sc., F.B.I.S. Pager 07626 - 235878 e-mail address:- Work = kerslake@sees.bangor.ac.uk Home = johnpercy@kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk, Dyslexia Rules KO. RiscStation 50 ns RAM. A.N.T.-I.S. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Mar 28 21:58:36 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA147695 for opro ; Wed, 28 Mar 101 21:58:34 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 985799432:10:16909:68; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 17:10:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1104489; 28 Mar 2001 17:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f2SH12e24879 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 18:01:02 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id f2SH10524876 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 18:01:00 +0100 Received: from userbk08.uk.uudial.com (62.188.144.16) [62.188.144.16] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 14iJJc-00062T-00; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 18:01:02 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Dr P.N.Young" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 17:45:03 +0100 Subject: Transposition of letters. Message-ID: <4a6269a3dfpnyoung@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02d (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R As a lousy and clumsy typist I am always typing letters transposed, so I have great use for the Q keystroke. It occurs to me that this would be a bit easier for me as a button macro. I don't know how to do this (I did RTFM, promise, but not being a programmer except in the most basic BASIC way, I didn't understand it.). Can anyone show me how? Or has someone done it already? I have done a rudimentary button. TIA, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. Anne \ / __ __ \ England. Cecilia / / \ | | |\ | / _ \http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/pnyoung James / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \_____________ pnyoung@argonet.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Mar 28 21:58:40 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA147697 for opro ; Wed, 28 Mar 101 21:58:38 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 985804223:10:07342:86; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 18:30:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1129517; 28 Mar 2001 18:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f2SIP9k25387 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 19:25:09 +0100 Received: from mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (mta03-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.43]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f2SIP7525383 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 19:25:07 +0100 Received: from localhost ([62.252.153.182]) by mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with SMTP id <20010328182510.BQTV283.mta03-svc.ntlworld.com@localhost> for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 19:25:10 +0100 Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 19:22:55 +0100 From: To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Transposition of letters. Message-ID: References: <4a6269a3dfpnyoung@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a6269a3dfpnyoung@argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: Centre Stage User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10 (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <4a6269a3dfpnyoung@argonet.co.uk> "Dr P.N.Young" wrote: > the Q keystroke. It occurs to me that this would be a bit > easier for me as a button macro. > Menu-Misc-Macros-New Define Button/Sprite, in the writeble field {'CS_Q} (' is the apostrophe and intended) and save -- Colin Carnegie colinc@argonet.co.uk www.argonet.co.uk/users/cstage -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Mar 29 01:29:36 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA147706 for opro ; Thu, 29 Mar 101 01:29:34 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 985817608:10:14517:74; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 22:13:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1107759; 28 Mar 2001 22:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f2SMCSP25946 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 23:12:28 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f2SMCQ525941 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 23:12:26 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14iOB2-0006fG-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 22:12:28 +0000 Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 22:01:08 GMT Message-Id: <147699@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: POBar again X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro The POBar applet has a feature that lets you type in a bar code and it then decodes it. Perhaps that would be a good starting point, see what the PO think is your address. This also provides a practical way of finding your delivery point - which is the likely difference. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Mar 29 01:29:36 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA147707 for opro ; Thu, 29 Mar 101 01:29:34 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 985817584:20:25560:68; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 22:13:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2025505; 28 Mar 2001 22:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f2SMCU325949 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 23:12:30 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f2SMCR525945 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 23:12:27 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14iOB4-0006fG-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 22:12:30 +0000 Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 23:03:27 GMT Message-Id: <147701@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Transposition of letters. X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Install the !Custom applet Put your button sprite file inside it called Buttons22 You need to rerun OPro for the button to be loaded Now open the Macros window and defined a button macro, using the sprite you just created in the buttons file and giving it the body {'CS_Q} (as just suggested above). David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Mar 29 13:25:01 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA147714 for opro ; Thu, 29 Mar 101 13:24:58 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 985825788:20:24076:67; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 00:29:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2117961; 29 Mar 2001 0:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f2T0TGa26430 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 01:29:16 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f2T0TE526427 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 01:29:14 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14iQJR-000J8M-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 00:29:17 +0000 Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 01:30:15 GMT Message-Id: <147708@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Transposition of letters. X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Put your button sprite file inside it called Buttons22 i.e. put it inside !Custom.AResources David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Mar 29 13:25:05 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA147716 for opro ; Thu, 29 Mar 101 13:25:02 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 985845380:20:01358:67; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 05:56:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2001004; 29 Mar 2001 5:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f2T5t3o27247 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 06:55:03 +0100 Received: from ruthenium (ruthenium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.138]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f2T5t0527242 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 06:55:01 +0100 Received: from [213.122.220.176] (helo=anon.demon.co.uk) by ruthenium with smtp (Exim 3.03 #83) id 14iVOh-0001M3-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 06:55:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Vigay To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 06:54:30 +0100 Subject: Index generation Message-ID: <4a62b1ea8aPaul@vigay.com> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02e (RISC-OS/4.03) X-No-Archive: Yes Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Does anyone know of a simple Index generator for OvationPro. I'm in the process of converting some *large* Impression documents over to OPro, and would like to re-index the pages etc. I've tried both of the Index and IndxPro plugins that are on the OvationPro CD, but Index doesn't work and just locks up my machine (only way out, Alt-Break) and IndxPro seems needlessly complex for what I want - which is a way to just put indexed text in a highlighted font (so that I can see which words are in the index) and then just compile index - basically in the same way Impression used to do it. Any thoughts? -- Paul Vigay __\\|//__ RISC OS Programming, (` o-o ') Internet Consultancy http://www.vigay.com -----ooO-(_)-Ooo------ & Web Design ------ Living in a Microsoft Free Zone! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Mar 29 13:25:09 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA147718 for opro ; Thu, 29 Mar 101 13:25:06 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 985853261:20:23725:120; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 08:07:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2103307; 29 Mar 2001 8:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f2T86cP27624 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 09:06:38 +0100 Received: from mserv1a.vianw.co.uk (mserv1a.vianw.co.uk [195.102.240.34]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f2T86a527621 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 09:06:36 +0100 Received: from [194.119.179.59] (helo=Caslon.english.co.uk) by mserv1a.vianw.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.22 #5) id 14iXRx-0006L9-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 09:06:34 +0100 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 09:06:05 +0000 Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 09:06:47 +0100 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Bookmarks as macro Message-ID: <227be624a%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I've downloaded version 2.63 and am playing with it because we have several documents which use lock to text grid and it will be a relief to have the info saved in te DDL. However, I got distracted by something quite different! Is there any way of defining a button macro which when clicked would give me a drop down menu of markers defined by !Bookmark? (i.e. allows me to go to a mark without having to navigate the applets>Bookmarks>Goto> menu tree? Ideally, I'd like to set up two buttons - one which gave direct access to the list of defined markers and another which opened the menu box to define a new marker at current caret position. Thanks, David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Mar 30 01:36:44 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA147750 for opro ; Fri, 30 Mar 101 01:36:42 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 985887049:10:26633:88; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 17:30:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1100871; 29 Mar 2001 17:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f2THQuN29150 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 18:26:56 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f2THQs529147 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 18:26:54 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14igCH-000EK2-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 17:26:57 +0000 Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 18:25:22 GMT Message-Id: <147748@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Bookmarks as macro X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Is there any way of defining a button macro which when clicked would >give me a drop down menu of markers defined by !Bookmark? (i.e. allows >me to go to a mark without having to navigate the >applets>Bookmarks>Goto> menu tree? Ideally, I'd like to set up two >buttons - one which gave direct access to the list of defined markers >and another which opened the menu box to define a new marker at current >caret position. Yes. Just define button macros in the usual way and then have their bodies call up the relevant functions in whichever book mark manager you use. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Mar 30 01:36:57 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA147757 for opro ; Fri, 30 Mar 101 01:36:56 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 985907528:10:23617:78; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 23:12:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1114661; 29 Mar 2001 23:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f2TNBJO30065 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 00:11:19 +0100 Received: from mserv1b.vianw.co.uk (mserv1b.vianw.co.uk [195.102.240.137]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f2TNBH530062 for ; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 00:11:17 +0100 Received: from [195.102.204.51] (helo=Caslon.english.co.uk) by mserv1b.vianw.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.22 #5) id 14ilZW-0004aO-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 00:11:18 +0100 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 00:04:49 +0000 Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 00:05:32 +0100 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Bookmarks as macro Message-ID: <7d4f10634a%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <147748@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > >Is there any way of defining a button macro which when clicked would > >give me a drop down menu of markers defined by !Bookmark? (i.e. allows > >me to go to a mark without having to navigate the > >applets>Bookmarks>Goto> menu tree? Ideally, I'd like to set up two > >buttons - one which gave direct access to the list of defined markers > >and another which opened the menu box to define a new marker at current > >caret position. > > Yes. Just define button macros in the usual way and then have their > bodies call up the relevant functions in whichever book mark manager > you use. > I had an idea you would say that! I'm using !Bookmark (author: 'Beebug') but even after looking at the script in the Library directory I can't see what functions I should be calling. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Mar 30 03:02:43 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA147772 for opro ; Fri, 30 Mar 101 03:02:40 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 985917235:20:03647:72; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 01:53:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2003535; 30 Mar 2001 1:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f2U1rOx30550 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 02:53:24 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f2U1rM530547 for ; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 02:53:22 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14io6N-000G44-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 01:53:24 +0000 Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 01:45:27 GMT Message-Id: <147766@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Bookmarks as macro X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I had an idea you would say that! I'm using !Bookmark (author: >'Beebug') Beebug? never heard of them. I guess that means you're still using an old one, not the one off the CD. Not that it makes any difference. Some third party authors wrote an improved book mark manager. The idea being not to show book marks which applets are using for their own devices. The second part of the exercise is easy, just create a macro body of {string s; if(bmname(0,s)) open_menu(bookmark_new(1))} That gets you a menu to type in the new book mark name at the caret. The first part is harder. In the Bookmarks applet library file insert this chunk (a slight generalisation of a chunk that is already in there) - insert it before the line with main() in //-------------------------------8<------------------------------------ int bookmark_listentry2(int entry,int subcode) { setcarettobm(bookmark_fromindex(entry)); return(entry); } int bookmark_list2(int open) { int i; string s; if(bookmark_listhandle) delete_menu(bookmark_listhandle); bookmark_listhandle = create_menu("{BOOKMARK_01}"); i = 0; while(bmname(i++, s)) addentry_menu(bookmark_listhandle,"bookmark_listentry2","","","",s); return(bookmark_listhandle); } //-------------------------------8<------------------------------------ Finally, give your new button macro the body {string s; if(bmname(0,s)) open_menu(bookmark_list2(1))} David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Mar 30 14:05:35 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA147776 for opro ; Fri, 30 Mar 101 14:05:34 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 985942321:20:00370:80; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 08:52:01 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2000287; 30 Mar 2001 8:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f2U8msc31450 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 09:48:54 +0100 Received: from mserv1b.vianw.co.uk (mserv1b.vianw.co.uk [195.102.240.137]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f2U8mq531447 for ; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 09:48:52 +0100 Received: from [195.102.204.114] (helo=Caslon.english.co.uk) by mserv1b.vianw.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.22 #5) id 14iuaR-0001D0-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 09:48:51 +0100 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 09:48:18 +0000 Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 09:48:55 +0100 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Bookmarks as macro Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <147766@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > >I had an idea you would say that! I'm using !Bookmark (author: > >'Beebug') > > Beebug? never heard of them. I guess that means you're still using > an old one, not the one off the CD. Not that it makes any > difference. > > Some third party authors wrote an improved book mark manager. The idea > being not to show book marks which applets are using for their own > devices. Hah! So there was some magic needed! I've followed your instructions and the macros work beautifully. Thanks once more for the prompt and constructive help. I did look through the CDROM for a more up to date bookmark manager, and on your website. But I didn't find anything. I don't usually update applets when I upgrade OvPro unless there is a particular reason, but the fact that the Applets on the CD are listed by author rather than function means that there is no means of finding an applet other than laboriously checking the innards of every subdirectory! Who did the 3rd party bookmark manager? David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Mar 30 14:57:45 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA147797 for opro ; Fri, 30 Mar 101 14:57:44 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 985959799:10:16235:89; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 13:43:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1015870; 30 Mar 2001 13:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f2UDgFK32236 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 14:42:15 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f2UDgD532233 for ; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 14:42:13 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14izAO-00036g-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 13:42:16 +0000 Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 14:23:56 GMT Message-Id: <147793@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Bookmarks as macro X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I did look through the CDROM for a more up to date bookmark manager, and >on your website. But I didn't find anything. I don't usually update >applets when I upgrade OvPro unless there is a particular reason, but >the fact that the Applets on the CD are listed by author rather than >function means that there is no means of finding an applet other than >laboriously checking the innards of every subdirectory! Not so, the CD Guide document lists them in alpha order (and of course can be searched). However it won't do you much good because I've not documented the enhanced bm program. See Others.Thompson.Applets.EndNotes.!InstENote.Applets.!!!!!!!bm >Who did the 3rd party bookmark manager? Rupert Thompson, although ISTR David Breakwell was involved. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Mar 30 22:19:47 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA147815 for opro ; Fri, 30 Mar 101 22:19:45 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 985968824:10:03742:82; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 16:13:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1002079; 30 Mar 2001 16:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f2UGBPa32684 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 17:11:25 +0100 Received: from norwegia.access.ch (mail.access.ch [195.112.71.134]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f2UGBM532681 for ; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 17:11:22 +0100 Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (megapop8-52.access.ch [212.161.130.52]) by norwegia.access.ch (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA30420 for ; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 18:11:23 +0200 Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 12:53:28 +0200 (BST) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: Index generation To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <4a62b1ea8aPaul@vigay.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: tevens Secretariaat Stichting Van Vredenburch X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 29 Mar, Paul Vigay wrote: > Does anyone know of a simple Index generator for OvationPro. I'm in the > process of converting some *large* Impression documents over to OPro, and > would like to re-index the pages etc. > > I've tried both of the Index and IndxPro plugins that are ....... snip The Index applet is what you need, and it works with OvPro 2.46. But hangs with OvPro 2.60 and 2.62. So we need a new version of !Index. JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch tel +41 41 3706125 | RiscOS Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Mar 30 22:19:52 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA147817 for opro ; Fri, 30 Mar 101 22:19:48 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 985968873:20:16323:73; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 16:14:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2015615; 30 Mar 2001 16:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f2UGDQ932711 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 17:13:26 +0100 Received: from madhatter.navaho.net (IDENT:root@madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f2UGDO532708 for ; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 17:13:24 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by madhatter.navaho.net with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 14j1NT-0002li-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 17:03:56 +0100 Received: from userfh25.uk.uudial.com (62.188.22.126) [62.188.22.126] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 14j1WQ-0005Qm-00; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 17:13:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: David Breakwell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 21:47:16 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Indexing using IdxPro Message-ID: <4a6309253adavidb@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a6305ceebdavidb@argonet.co.uk> References: <4a6305ceebdavidb@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I'm having a few problems tonight but heres reply to Paul Vigay's question about indexing. IdxPro has the facility to convert text of a particular style to an index - the style->index option on the IdxPro applet menu. Select this option and then enter the style you are using to highlight your text in the document and it goes away and creates the Index. I admit IdxPro needs a better manual but unfortunately my attempts have been pretty bad - I know it too well and therefore struggle to explain it. It works pretty well - just take a look at the index in the script manual on the CD (this has an intact IdxPro index - if you have the applet loaded you can edit the index etc). Do download the latest version from the OP resources site as this has some very significant performance tweaks. David -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | davidb@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Mar 30 22:19:52 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA147818 for opro ; Fri, 30 Mar 101 22:19:49 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 985968844:10:04418:68; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 16:14:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1004368; 30 Mar 2001 16:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f2UGDV332723 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 17:13:31 +0100 Received: from madhatter.navaho.net (IDENT:root@madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f2UGDQ532714 for ; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 17:13:26 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by madhatter.navaho.net with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 14j1NT-0002lj-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 17:03:56 +0100 Received: from userfh25.uk.uudial.com (62.188.22.126) [62.188.22.126] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 14j1WG-0005Qm-00; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 17:13:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: David Breakwell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 21:37:56 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Bookmarks as macro Message-ID: <4a63084a4cdavidb@argonet.co.uk> References: <227be624a%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <227be624a%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <227be624a%Support@Gill.english.co.uk>, David Graddol wrote: > Is there any way of defining a button macro which when clicked would > give me a drop down menu of markers defined by !Bookmark? (i.e. allows > me to go to a mark without having to navigate the > applets>Bookmarks>Goto> menu tree? Ideally, I'd like to set up two > buttons - one which gave direct access to the list of defined markers > and another which opened the menu box to define a new marker at current > caret position. I've sent the following (in applet form) to David for testing - if people here want to try it then let me know and I'll send it. If David confirms its OK then I'll send it the OP resources Site so everyone can share it. David **************************************************** //Script string bmbutton = "bmbutton"; int bmbutton_selmenu = 0; int bmbutton_newhandle; int bmbutton_goto(int n, int s) { int b; string name; b=bmname(n,name); bmview(b);setcarettobm(b); } // create a menu listing all the bookmarks that have been created int bmbutton_list() { int i; string s; if(bmbutton_selmenu) delete_menu(bmbutton_selmenu); bmbutton_selmenu = create_menu("{BMBUTTON_02}"); i = 0; while(bmname(i++, s)) addentry_menu(bmbutton_selmenu,"bmbutton_goto","","","",s); return(bmbutton_selmenu); } int bmbutton_newflags(int entry,string & text) { return((8<<24)|(8<<16)|WRITEABLE); } // deal with 'New' menu entry int bmbutton_newentry(int entry,int subcode) { string s; int bm; s = string_menu(bmbutton_newhandle,0); if(slen(s)) { bm=bmcreate(s); if(bm) setbmtocaret(bm); } return(0); } string bmbutton_do(int opt,int view) { int oldview; string s; string t; oldview=setcurrentview(view); opt = ((opt&0xFF00)>>8); if(opt==8) { s = bmbutton; }; if(opt==1) { // Select if(bmname(0,t)) open_menu(bmbutton_list()); }; if(opt==4) { // Adjust open_menu(bmbutton_newhandle); }; setcurrentview(oldview); return s; } // create 'Bookmarks' button void main(void) { defmacro2(68,"ButtonBM","{macv=bmbutton_do(macenv,macview);}",bmbutton,"BookMark Functions"); bmbutton_newhandle=create_menu("{BMBUTTON_01}"); addentry_menu(bmbutton_newhandle,"bmbutton_newentry","bmbutton_newflags","","",""); } ***************** Messages file contents BMBUTTON_01:New BMBUTTON_02:Bookmark ******************** A button sprite is also required (name = BMButton) -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | davidb@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Mar 30 22:19:56 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA147819 for opro ; Fri, 30 Mar 101 22:19:53 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 985969822:20:16822:74; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 16:30:22 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2017160; 30 Mar 2001 16:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f2UGTos00408 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 17:29:50 +0100 Received: from madhatter.navaho.net (IDENT:root@madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f2UGTm500405 for ; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 17:29:48 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by madhatter.navaho.net with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 14j1dM-0002ob-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 17:20:20 +0100 Received: from userfh25.uk.uudial.com (62.188.22.126) [62.188.22.126] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 14j1mS-00065h-00; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 17:29:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: David Breakwell To: OVATIONP-L Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 17:21:20 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Index generation Message-ID: <4a6374a23cdavidb@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4a62b1ea8aPaul@vigay.com> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch wrote: > The Index applet is what you need, and it works with OvPro 2.46. But > hangs with OvPro 2.60 and 2.62. > So we need a new version of !Index. > JohnvV !IdxPro converts !Index indexes to its own (better quality) index. !Index is slow and as you say somewhat flakey. IdxPro also gives a lot more control over the format of the resulting index (it takes advantage of many of the newer facilities of OP that have been introduced since !Index). Some may say I am biased but I'll leave you to decide. Apologies for not seeing the whole message but Argonet seemed very sick last night and lost Pauls original posting. David -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | davidb@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Mar 30 22:19:59 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA147821 for opro ; Fri, 30 Mar 101 22:19:57 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 985970540:10:23095:72; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 16:42:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1125175; 30 Mar 2001 16:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f2UGfpR00565 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 17:41:51 +0100 Received: from madhatter.navaho.net (IDENT:root@madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f2UGfm500560 for ; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 17:41:48 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by madhatter.navaho.net with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 14j1ow-0002qm-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 17:32:20 +0100 Received: from userbp79.uk.uudial.com (62.188.146.74) [62.188.146.74] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 14j1xk-0006Tn-00; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 17:41:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Dr P.N.Young" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 15:48:33 +0100 Subject: POBar again Message-ID: <4a6366a5a8pnyoung@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02d (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R There may have been a reply by now to my yesterday's posting, if it indeed got there, as I can't currently up- or down-load e-mails because of the problem at Argo (or is it Pipex?). I am pretty sure POBar is broken, as every attempt to put into it what the PO put on our envelopes gives an error message. Also, I have put in the postcode from a business reply envelope, and it gives a completely different bar-code from what is on the envelope. Can anyone else check this applet out for me? TIA, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. Anne \ / __ __ \ England. Cecilia / / \ | | |\ | / _ \http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/pnyoung James / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \_____________ pnyoung@argonet.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Mar 31 02:05:53 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA147837 for opro ; Sat, 31 Mar 101 02:05:51 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 985988518:10:00798:69; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 21:41:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1113454; 30 Mar 2001 21:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f2ULe1A01403 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 22:40:01 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f2ULdx501400 for ; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 22:39:59 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14j6cf-000G9G-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 21:39:57 +0000 Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 22:31:59 GMT Message-Id: <147833@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: POBar again X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >There may have been a reply by now to my yesterday's posting Oh yes. You can always check what is being sent to/from the maillist by looking at the continuously updated archive at ftp://freenet.barnet.ac.uk/pub/Acorn/mailing-lists/ovationpro/ I'll repeat my reply though. In a nutshell 'delivery point' at more length... The POBar applet has a feature that lets you type in a *bar code* and it then decodes it. Perhaps that would be a good starting point, see what the PO think is your address. This also provides a practical way of finding your delivery point - which is the likely difference. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Mar 31 14:08:33 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA147851 for opro ; Sat, 31 Mar 101 14:08:30 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 986024683:20:27927:73; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 07:44:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2027720; 31 Mar 2001 7:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f2V7hSc02744 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 08:43:28 +0100 Received: from ruthenium (ruthenium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.138]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f2V7hO502740 for ; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 08:43:24 +0100 Received: from [213.1.150.165] (helo=anon.demon.co.uk) by ruthenium with smtp (Exim 3.03 #83) id 14jG2h-0004pu-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 08:43:27 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Vigay To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 08:43:18 +0100 Subject: Re: Indexing using IdxPro Message-ID: <4a63c38c8fPaul@vigay.com> In-Reply-To: <4a6309253adavidb@argonet.co.uk> References: <4a6305ceebdavidb@argonet.co.uk> <4a6309253adavidb@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02e (RISC-OS/4.03) X-No-Archive: Yes Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4a6309253adavidb@argonet.co.uk>, David Breakwell wrote: > I'm having a few problems tonight but heres reply to Paul Vigay's question > about indexing. [Snip] Aha. Thanks. In that case ignore my previous message - as I tend to reply to my email in the order I read it. :-) I'll go and experiment again. Thanks. -- Paul Vigay __\\|//__ RISC OS Programming, (` o-o ') Internet Consultancy http://www.vigay.com -----ooO-(_)-Ooo------ & Web Design ------ *** Acorn RISC OS systems: Seeing is Believing! *** -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Mar 31 14:08:37 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA147853 for opro ; Sat, 31 Mar 101 14:08:35 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 986024715:20:28698:67; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 07:45:15 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2124410; 31 Mar 2001 7:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f2V7igN02767 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 08:44:42 +0100 Received: from snowstorm.mail.pipex.net (snowstorm.mail.pipex.net [158.43.192.97]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id f2V7id502764 for ; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 08:44:40 +0100 Received: (qmail 17647 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2001 07:44:41 -0000 Received: from userif27.uk.uudial.com (HELO loopback) (62.188.213.32) by smtp-6.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2001 07:44:41 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 08:12:27 +0100 Subject: TransWord Message-ID: <4a63c0b9b1dfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Serious question... Every single MS-Word document I get from PC users these days will not work with !TransWord. "Document is too new for this version of TransWord." Does anyone know if more work is/will be done to TransWord to enable it to work with recent versions of Word? Cheers Dave S Ps: To save bandwidth... I already have the latest version of "AntiWord", and I'm *not* at all interested in info about a particular WordProcessor that will Load/Save MS-Word files, as I couldn't justify spending that much, just to Load/Save Word files... I'd have no other use for it. D. -- _______________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... dfs@ukgateway.net Also... df@dafs.freeserve.co.uk .. or... dave@triffid.co.uk http://www.dfs.ukgateway.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Mar 31 14:08:41 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA147855 for opro ; Sat, 31 Mar 101 14:08:38 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 986028561:20:06169:70; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 08:49:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2005048; 31 Mar 2001 8:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f2V8mYu03103 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 09:48:34 +0100 Received: from madhatter.navaho.net (IDENT:root@madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f2V8mW503099 for ; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 09:48:32 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by madhatter.navaho.net with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 14jGuU-0005OW-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 09:39:03 +0100 Received: from userfw40.uk.uudial.com (62.188.28.102) [62.188.28.102] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 14jH3a-0006Co-00; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 09:48:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: David Breakwell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 09:34:24 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Bookmarks as macro Message-ID: <4a63cdb876davidb@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <147793@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <147793@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <147793@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > Rupert Thompson, although ISTR David Breakwell was involved. Rupert was the man - I think I may have generated a few ideas on how it should work. David Graddol has now tested my applet for Bookmark Button and likes it so I have sent it to the OP Resources Site. For those that are interested it gives you one button on the button bar - press select and the BM list opens (it doesn't crash if there are no Bookmarks), using adjust on the button opens the create BM menu. The applet name is BMButton. David -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | davidb@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Mar 31 14:08:47 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA147857 for opro ; Sat, 31 Mar 101 14:08:44 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 986024679:10:25074:69; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 07:44:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1024997; 31 Mar 2001 7:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f2V7hRq02743 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 08:43:27 +0100 Received: from ruthenium (ruthenium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.138]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f2V7hN502736 for ; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 08:43:23 +0100 Received: from [213.1.150.165] (helo=anon.demon.co.uk) by ruthenium with smtp (Exim 3.03 #83) id 14jG2f-0004pu-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 08:43:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Vigay To: OVATIONP-L Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 08:42:14 +0100 Subject: Re: Index generation Message-ID: <4a63c373c7Paul@vigay.com> In-Reply-To: <4a6374a23cdavidb@argonet.co.uk> References: <4a62b1ea8aPaul@vigay.com> <4a6374a23cdavidb@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02e (RISC-OS/4.03) X-No-Archive: Yes Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4a6374a23cdavidb@argonet.co.uk>, David Breakwell wrote: > !IdxPro converts !Index indexes to its own (better quality) index. !Index > is slow and as you say somewhat flakey. IdxPro also gives a lot more > control over the format of the resulting index (it takes advantage of many > of the newer facilities of OP that have been introduced since !Index). > Some may say I am biased but I'll leave you to decide. [Snip] Hmm, I did try IdxPro but I wasn't sure if it did what I wanted, and seemed a bit too complex for my requirements. Basically, all I want to do is to go through the document/booklet, highlighting various words in a different colour(style) (so I can easily see which words are indexed) and then create an index to those words. Two requirements are the ability to see which words are indexed and the ability to re-edit the document with the words in situ - so if I insert a page somewhere, I can re-index and all the words on subsequent pages will be re-updated etc. I'll perhaps give IdxPro another try. -- Paul Vigay __\\|//__ RISC OS Programming, (` o-o ') Internet Consultancy http://www.vigay.com -----ooO-(_)-Ooo------ & Web Design ------ Acorn RISC OS: The future of computing. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Mar 31 14:08:51 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA147858 for opro ; Sat, 31 Mar 101 14:08:47 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 986039927:20:03750:68; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 11:58:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2001556; 31 Mar 2001 11:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f2VBv4103670 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 12:57:04 +0100 Received: from madhatter.navaho.net (IDENT:root@madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f2VBv2503667 for ; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 12:57:02 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by madhatter.navaho.net with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 14jJqt-0006J7-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 12:47:33 +0100 Received: from userev21.uk.uudial.com (62.188.17.204) [62.188.17.204] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 14jJzd-00042B-00; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 12:56:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: David Breakwell To: OVATIONP-L Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 12:48:29 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Index generation Message-ID: <4a63df7d83davidb@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a63c373c7Paul@vigay.com> References: <4a62b1ea8aPaul@vigay.com> <4a6374a23cdavidb@argonet.co.uk> < User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4a63c373c7Paul@vigay.com>, Paul Vigay wrote: > Basically, all I want to do is to go through the document/booklet, > highlighting various words in a different colour(style) (so I can easily > see which words are indexed) and then create an index to those words. > Two requirements are the ability to see which words are indexed and the > ability to re-edit the document with the words in situ - so if I insert a > page somewhere, I can re-index and all the words on subsequent pages will > be re-updated etc. > I'll perhaps give IdxPro another try. You may find the following Script useful - it deletes the tags and bookmarks that IdxPro uses. To use it save out the script (with Filetype OvpScrpt), place your cursor in the relevant document and then double click on the script. If you do not use this script then each run of Style->Index from the menu will create new IdxPro markers (ie duplicates). ************************************************************************* It goes without saying - treat with care as any work you have done manipulating the Index using the review window etc will be lost. ************************************************************************* This Script therefore allows you to wipe out the index and regenerate from the marked text. So to use IdxPro like IP index tool you could: 1. Mark text with style of your choosing 2. Select the IdxPro option Style->Index 3. Place the cursor in the right place and Type Index 4. If you need to make changes go back an remark the text and run the script to delete the IdxPro structures (note: the script does not delete te typed index just the info that was used to generate it). You can then rerun step 2. 5. If you reach step 5 then you must be happy with the index - any 'extras' you could then add using the Review Window in IdxPro Hope this helps David // Start of Script // Deletes IDXPro BookMarks int i; int count; int bm; string s; int it = 0x49445800; // create 'Bookmarks' button void main(void) { count = 0; bm = 1; i=0; while(bm) { bm=bmname(i++, s); if(mids(s,0,3)=="IDX") { bmdelete(bm); count = count + 1; // messagebox(mids(s,0,3)); i=0; } }; if(tagexists(currentfile(),it,0)==1) { tagwrites(currentfile(),it,""); tagwrites(currentfile(),it+1,""); tagwrites(currentfile(),it+2,""); tagwrites(currentfile(),it+3,""); tagwrites(currentfile(),it+4,""); tagwrite(currentfile(),it+5,0,0); tagwrite(currentfile(),it+6,0,0); } messagebox(itos(count)+" Bookmarks Deleted"); } // End of Script -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | davidb@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Mar 31 14:09:37 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA147864 for opro ; Sat, 31 Mar 101 14:09:36 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 986041924:10:13792:77; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 12:32:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1119728; 31 Mar 2001 12:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f2VCVVP03820 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 13:31:31 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f2VCVU503817 for ; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 13:31:30 +0100 Received: from mackinlay.demon.co.uk ([194.222.101.118]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14jKXU-000Hge-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 12:31:33 +0000 Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 13:24:07 +0100 (BST) From: Colin Mackinlay Subject: Re: Indexing using IdxPro To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <4a6309253adavidb@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: cmk X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Thu 29 Mar, David Breakwell wrote: > Do download the latest version from the OP resources site as this has some > very significant performance tweaks. Can't find it there - in fact othing on indexing at all. -- Colin Mackinlay -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Mar 31 16:18:55 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA147879 for opro ; Sat, 31 Mar 101 16:18:53 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 986048719:10:02110:67; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 14:25:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1000490; 31 Mar 2001 14:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f2VEOL704262 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 15:24:21 +0100 Received: from madhatter.navaho.net (IDENT:root@madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f2VEOJ504259 for ; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 15:24:19 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by madhatter.navaho.net with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 14jM9R-0006vh-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 15:14:49 +0100 Received: from userai29.uk.uudial.com (62.188.133.59) [62.188.133.59] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 14jMIJ-0007GK-00; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 15:23:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Dr P.N.Young" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 15:20:50 +0100 Subject: Transposition of letters. Message-ID: <4a63e7f1f5pnyoung@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02d (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro There has been a major failure of the mail server at Argonet. This message might have been sent two days ago, but I think not. Apologies if this is a second copy! In article <147701@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > Install the !Custom applet > Put your button sprite file inside it called Buttons22 > You need to rerun OPro for the button to be loaded > Now open the Macros window and defined a button macro, using the > sprite you just created in the buttons file and giving it the > body {'CS_Q} (as just suggested above). Many thanks, David and Colin. Installed and working! Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. Anne \ / __ __ \ England. Cecilia / / \ | | |\ | / _ \http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/pnyoung James / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \_____________ pnyoung@argonet.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Mar 31 16:18:56 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA147878 for opro ; Sat, 31 Mar 101 16:18:53 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 986046394:20:26988:67; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 13:46:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2125486; 31 Mar 2001 13:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f2VDk8a04093 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 14:46:08 +0100 Received: from madhatter.navaho.net (IDENT:root@madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f2VDk6504090 for ; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 14:46:06 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by madhatter.navaho.net with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 14jLYS-0006jU-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 14:36:36 +0100 Received: from userap66.uk.uudial.com (62.188.136.27) [62.188.136.27] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 14jLhS-0005rd-00; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 14:45:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Dr P.N.Young" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 14:44:48 +0100 Subject: Re: POBar again Message-ID: <4a63e4a57apnyoung@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <147833@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <147833@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02d (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <147833@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >There may have been a reply by now to my yesterday's posting > Oh yes. You can always check what is being sent to/from the maillist > by looking at the continuously updated archive at > ftp://freenet.barnet.ac.uk/pub/Acorn/mailing-lists/ovationpro/ Thanks, my first posting hasn't appeared here yet :-( > I'll repeat my reply though. In a nutshell 'delivery point' at > more length... > The POBar applet has a feature that lets you > type in a *bar code* and it then decodes it. > Perhaps that would be a good starting point, > see what the PO think is your address. > This also provides a practical way of finding > your delivery point - which is the likely > difference. Sorry, I didn't make myself clear (not unusual). I put in the bar codes off a letter delivered here and off a prepaid envelope. Decoding both of these gave a mixture of 'bad 4 bar sequence' and 'bad checksum' errors. Generating bar-codes from these two addresses gave completely different bar-codes from the ones on the two envelopes. Someone else is having the same problems, too, so I think the problem must be somewhere in the applet. It's a lovely idea, but it doesn't seem to work, at least for me! Best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. Anne \ / __ __ \ England. Cecilia / / \ | | |\ | / _ \http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/pnyoung James / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \_____________ pnyoung@argonet.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Mar 31 16:45:50 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA147882 for opro ; Sat, 31 Mar 101 16:45:47 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 986052290:20:16981:68; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 15:24:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2016500; 31 Mar 2001 15:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f2VFODx04507 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 16:24:13 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f2VFOC504504 for ; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 16:24:12 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14jNEc-0006ev-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 15:24:14 +0000 Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 16:20:38 GMT Message-Id: <147880@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: POBar again X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Sorry, I didn't make myself clear (not unusual). I put in the bar codes >off a letter delivered here and off a prepaid envelope. Decoding both of >these gave a mixture of 'bad 4 bar sequence' and 'bad checksum' errors. >Generating bar-codes from these two addresses gave completely different >bar-codes from the ones on the two envelopes. Someone else is having the >same problems, too, so I think the problem must be somewhere in the >applet. It's a lovely idea, but it doesn't seem to work, at least for me! Scan me the bar codes if you like and I'll have a look. The case for the defence is that the applet was coded using PO documentation, the errors raised above point out its correctness - if that documentation says a particular bar code sequence is not allowed then thats right. I can think of various possibilities - the bar code system has been extended, the bar codes on your letters are damaged or invalid, the bar codes on your letters are not PO bar codes at all, or are from another system. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message