From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Feb 2 01:19:13 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA145007 for opro ; Fri, 02 Feb 101 01:19:11 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 981076761:20:09288:14; Fri, 02 Feb 2001 01:19:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2008753; 2 Feb 2001 1:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA16846 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 2 Feb 2001 00:11:46 GMT Received: from mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.worldonline.com (mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.worldonline.com [212.74.112.71]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA16843 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 2001 00:11:44 GMT Received: from ppp-1-124.5800-11.access.uk.worldonline.com ([62.64.178.124] helo=gavshome) by mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.worldonline.com with smtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 14OUk5-00022p-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 02 Feb 2001 01:10:25 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Gavin Crawford To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 01:09:45 +0000 (GMT) Subject: StrongHelp Scrip Language Manual now available Message-ID: <4a4644df02gav@crawford-print.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02c (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro A StrongHelp version of the Ovation Pro Script Reference Guide is now available and can be downloaded from http://www.crawford-print.co.uk/resources.html The manual provides descriptions to the functions in Ovation Pro's Script Language, enabling easy access to a function's definition while programming using keyword lookups from editors that support it, such as StrongED and Zap. This StrongHelp version contains additional function definitions that were introduced in version 2.61 of Ovation Pro, and also some corrections and additions from the Script Language Reference Guide supplied on the 2.60 CD in Ovation Pro document format. It should be noted that the StrongHelp manual does not contain the complete Script Language Reference Guide, but only the function descriptions from chapters 5 and 6. It is planned that the StrongHelp manual and the Ovation Pro document versions will be kept in line with each other and new functions appearing in Ovation Pro will be added to both manuals. So I would appreciate any feedback regarding corrections or suggestions. Gav. -- Gavin Crawford email: gav@crawford-print.co.uk web: www.crawford-print.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 5 16:21:27 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA145099 for opro ; Mon, 05 Feb 101 16:21:25 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 981277817:20:08834:14; Sun, 04 Feb 2001 09:10:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2116330; 4 Feb 2001 9:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA26786 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 4 Feb 2001 08:04:47 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA26783 for ; Sun, 4 Feb 2001 08:04:45 GMT Received: from userae09.uk.uudial.com (oramj.argonet.co.uk) [62.188.131.151] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 14PL4y-0002Es-00; Sun, 4 Feb 2001 09:03:29 +0000 Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 09:02:36 +0000 (GMT) From: "John E.D. Oram" Subject: strange cursor hang up To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: John Oram, Sheffield, + 44 0114 2663910 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hi David, My OP programme has started to produce an irritating little problem - the cursor will intermittently 'freeze' and have to be 'unstuck' by pressing Ctrl/Esc, which throws up an error box "Script stopped" but places the cursor on the next line and everything works normally again ( until the next time, often only a line or two later). The conditions that appear to generate this glitch are whenever I reach the end of a sentence, type a full-stop, and then press Return to move to a new line. And this only happens when the cursor is some way across the page width: typing just a few characters followed by a full-stop and Return, works perfectly. It only seems to happen if I have got past a certain horizontal position. When the fault occurs the cursor may remain visible but greyed and everything freezes, or it may disappear altogether. There are other occasions when it does not happen for about half a page and suddenly reappears. Obviously I must have introduced something new into the system, in the last week or two - but the only changes I am aware of making are to include a few more applets from the OP disc. And these seem to be in place and working fine. Any ideas why this is happening, and more particularly, how to put it right, would be very welcome. It is a bit of a drag to have to type Ctrl/Esc. every few lines. John. -- John Oram, John Oram & Associates - Psychotherapy Centre, 13 Rustlings Rd, Sheffield, S.Yorks, England. S11 7AA + 44 0114 2663910 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 5 16:21:30 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA145101 for opro ; Mon, 05 Feb 101 16:21:28 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 981282484:20:02232:13; Sun, 04 Feb 2001 10:28:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2001419; 4 Feb 2001 10:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA27081 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 4 Feb 2001 09:24:13 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA27078 for ; Sun, 4 Feb 2001 09:24:11 GMT Received: from narrator.demon.co.uk ([158.152.60.112]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 14PMJx-000BMl-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 4 Feb 2001 10:23:01 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by narrator.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Sun, 04 Feb 2001 10:13:15 GMT Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 10:13:06 +0100 From: Neill McNeill To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Frames Message-ID: X-Organization: Home/Sensible Software X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi to all, I write scripts and fimd it useful to have to have two frames side by side, each with different style characteristics, one for the character, one for the line. It works very well, but one slightly irritating thing is having to click the cursor from one to the other. Is it possible by pressing to toggle the cursor from the end of the text in one frame to the end of the text in the other? Ideas will be gratefully received. Regards, Neill McNeill -- | Neill McNeill | Streatham Common|LONDON SW16| |Acorn StrongArm Risc PC OS 3.7|48Mb| |Email:neill@narrator.demon.co.uk| |Visit:http://www.narrator.demon.co.uk| -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 5 16:21:32 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA145100 for opro ; Mon, 05 Feb 101 16:21:28 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 981298146:10:00876:14; Sun, 04 Feb 2001 14:49:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1115100; 4 Feb 2001 14:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA27886 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 4 Feb 2001 13:46:05 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA27883 for ; Sun, 4 Feb 2001 13:46:04 GMT Received: from userfn15.uk.uudial.com (62.188.24.202) [62.188.24.202] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 14PQPM-0001aA-00; Sun, 4 Feb 2001 14:44:53 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: David Breakwell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 14:29:56 +0000 (GMT) Subject: !MakeRTF - Save story as RTF Message-ID: <4a4795cd3bdavidb@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a45ab638fdavidb@argonet.co.uk> References: <144813@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4a45ab638fdavidb@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4a45ab638fdavidb@argonet.co.uk>, David Breakwell wrote: > I'll post again very soon. I said I would and here is that posting I spent the weekend rewriting the RTF converter as decided the last version was pants (technical term). The latest version is a lot better and I am therefore releasing it. It handles quite a few of the basic formatting commands used in OP, this includes tabs and tab rulers, basic effects, basic styles, paragraph alignment, fonts etc. You should note that some features are a little primative at the moment and that it can get confused if you use lots of overlapping local effects (saving the document as DDL and reloading can help). The program takes no account of the document format (page size, margins etc) or graphic contents at the moment. The program has been designed to be extended for both the rest of the DDL commands and also for font mapping etc. These may well come if people find the current version useful. I have sent this version to anyone who has mailed me directly - it is less than 10k in size. For this version please mail me if you want a copy. Later versions may well be release on the OP Resources site. Regards David -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | davidb@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 5 16:21:39 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA145104 for opro ; Mon, 05 Feb 101 16:21:37 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 981303695:20:23344:14; Sun, 04 Feb 2001 16:21:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2114312; 4 Feb 2001 16:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA28316 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 4 Feb 2001 15:19:11 GMT Received: from mail12.svr.pol.co.uk (mail12.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.215]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA28313 for ; Sun, 4 Feb 2001 15:19:09 GMT Received: from modem-88.adunakhor.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.96.216] helo=kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk) by mail12.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 14PRrT-0006CI-00; Sun, 04 Feb 2001 16:18:00 +0000 Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 15:58:24 +0000 (GMT) From: John Percy Kerslake Subject: Re: !MakeRTF - Save story as RTF To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk cc: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk, David Breakwell In-Reply-To: <4a4795cd3bdavidb@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sun 04 Feb, David Breakwell wrote: snip > I have sent this version to anyone who has mailed me directly - it is less > than 10k in size. For this version please mail me if you want a copy. > Later versions may well be release on the OP Resources site. Yes please -- J.P.Kerslake B.Sc., F.B.I.S. e-mail address:- Work = kerslake@sees.bangor.ac.uk Home = johnpercy@kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk Dyslexia Rules KO. RiscStation A.N.T.-I.S. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 5 16:21:41 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA145105 for opro ; Mon, 05 Feb 101 16:21:39 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 981303485:10:15204:14; Sun, 04 Feb 2001 16:18:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1015030; 4 Feb 2001 16:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA28271 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 4 Feb 2001 15:16:13 GMT Received: from snowstorm.mail.pipex.net (snowstorm.mail.pipex.net [158.43.192.97]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA28268 for ; Sun, 4 Feb 2001 15:16:11 GMT Received: (qmail 24148 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2001 16:15:00 -0000 Received: from userej21.uk.uudial.com (HELO RPC) (62.188.13.32) by smtp-5.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 4 Feb 2001 16:15:00 -0000 Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 15:35:28 +0000 From: Mik Towse To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: !MakeRTF - Save story as RTF Message-ID: <4A479BCD1B%mik.towse@xemik.com> References: <144813@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4a45ab638fdavidb@argonet.co.uk> <4a4795cd3bdavidb@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a4795cd3bdavidb@argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.10d POPstar/2.02 X-Editor: Zap 1.44, using ZapEmail 0.25 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4a4795cd3bdavidb@argonet.co.uk> David Breakwell wrote: [snip] > I spent the weekend rewriting the RTF converter as decided the last > version was pants (technical term). The latest version is a lot better and > I am therefore releasing it. [snip] > I have sent this version to anyone who has mailed me directly - it is less > than 10k in size. For this version please mail me if you want a copy. > Later versions may well be release on the OP Resources site. How about posting it to argonet.acorn.binaries? -- Mik Towse * mik.towse@xemik.com * http://www.xemik.com/ My writers' site can be found at: http://www.lexis.org.uk The old believe everything; the middle aged suspect everything; the young know everything. Oscar Wilde -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 5 16:21:45 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA145106 for opro ; Mon, 05 Feb 101 16:21:42 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 981306397:20:10793:15; Sun, 04 Feb 2001 17:06:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2114693; 4 Feb 2001 17:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA28527 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 4 Feb 2001 15:51:26 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA28524 for ; Sun, 4 Feb 2001 15:51:24 GMT Received: from userfq69.uk.uudial.com (62.188.26.45) [62.188.26.45] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 14PSMf-0003un-00; Sun, 4 Feb 2001 16:50:13 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: David Breakwell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 16:44:21 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: !MakeRTF - Save story as RTF Message-ID: <4a47a21ba3davidb@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4A479BCD1B%mik.towse@xemik.com> References: <144813@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4a45ab638fdavidb@argonet.co.uk> <4a4795cd3bdavidb@argonet.co.uk> <4A479BCD1B%mik.tows User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4A479BCD1B%mik.towse@xemik.com>, Mik Towse wrote: > How about posting it to argonet.acorn.binaries? At present I would rather retain a list of users and correct bugs as they come and be able to send updates to them. I generally use the OP Resources site as this provides a single definitive site for all my applets and programs relating to OP. Future releases of !MakeRTF may also be careware. David -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Author IdxPro,Newframe,WordWrks and Labeller | | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | davidb@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 5 16:21:49 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA145107 for opro ; Mon, 05 Feb 101 16:21:45 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 981317186:10:12195:13; Sun, 04 Feb 2001 20:06:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1109055; 4 Feb 2001 20:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA29320 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 4 Feb 2001 19:01:13 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA29317 for ; Sun, 4 Feb 2001 19:01:11 GMT Received: from userfw43.uk.uudial.com (62.188.28.105) [62.188.28.105] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 14PVKI-0007cV-00; Sun, 4 Feb 2001 19:59:59 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: David Breakwell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 19:54:03 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Version 1.07 of Idx Pro Message-ID: <4a47b379d1davidb@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I have released to the OP Resources site (http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/) version 1.07 of Idx Pro. Hopefully Chris will upload this in the coming days. Version 1.07 has the following features: * Fixes Ctrl-X at end of document bug that froze OP * Corrects bugs in options saving/recall * Corrects bug in Page formats * Uses hourglass to indicate progress * Various performance increases * Very significant performance increase in Index sort routines The final point above increased performance for sort of the Index of the Scripts Manual on the CD from several hours to a few minutes. Please remember IdxPro is CareWare - if you find it useful then see the manual for contact details. Regards David -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | davidb@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 5 16:22:00 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA145111 for opro ; Mon, 05 Feb 101 16:21:56 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 981318506:10:12920:13; Sun, 04 Feb 2001 20:28:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1012019; 4 Feb 2001 20:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA29381 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 4 Feb 2001 19:06:21 GMT Received: from cmailg5.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg5.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.175]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA29378 for ; Sun, 4 Feb 2001 19:06:19 GMT Received: from modem-125.belegund.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.138.125] helo=jwells24.freeserve.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailg5.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 14PVPI-0001hz-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 04 Feb 2001 20:05:09 +0000 Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 20:03:34 +0000 (GMT) From: Malcolm Wells Subject: Re: !MakeRTF - Save story as RTF To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <4a4795cd3bdavidb@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Malcolm Wells X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sun 04 Feb, David Breakwell wrote: > In article <4a45ab638fdavidb@argonet.co.uk>, > David Breakwell wrote: > > I'll post again very soon. > > I said I would and here is that posting > > I spent the weekend rewriting the RTF converter as decided the last > version was pants (technical term). The latest version is a lot better and > I am therefore releasing it. > > It handles quite a few of the basic formatting commands used in OP, this > includes tabs and tab rulers, basic effects, basic styles, paragraph > alignment, fonts etc. You should note that some features are a little > primative at the moment and that it can get confused if you use lots of > overlapping local effects (saving the document as DDL and reloading can > help). The program takes no account of the document format (page size, > margins etc) or graphic contents at the moment. > > The program has been designed to be extended for both the rest of the DDL > commands and also for font mapping etc. These may well come if people find > the current version useful. > > I have sent this version to anyone who has mailed me directly - it is less > than 10k in size. For this version please mail me if you want a copy. > Later versions may well be release on the OP Resources site. > > Regards > > David > > -- > --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. > |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| > | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' > | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | davidb@argonet.co.uk > > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message > > > Dear David, Yes please. -- Malcolm Wells -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 5 16:22:04 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA145113 for opro ; Mon, 05 Feb 101 16:22:01 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 981320394:20:03079:14; Sun, 04 Feb 2001 20:59:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2002999; 4 Feb 2001 20:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA29612 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 4 Feb 2001 19:53:32 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA29609 for ; Sun, 4 Feb 2001 19:53:30 GMT Received: from userad07.uk.uudial.com (62.188.131.50) [62.188.131.50] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 14PW8u-0000t0-00; Sun, 4 Feb 2001 20:52:18 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 16:51:50 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: !MakeRTF - Save story as RTF Message-ID: <4a47a2cb2fsteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4A479BCD1B%mik.towse@xemik.com> References: <144813@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4a45ab638fdavidb@argonet.co.uk> <4a4795cd3bdavidb@argonet.co.uk> <4A479BCD1B%mik.tows User-Agent: Pluto/2.02c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4A479BCD1B%mik.towse@xemik.com>, Mik Towse wrote: > > I have sent this version to anyone who has mailed me directly - it is > > less than 10k in size. For this version please mail me if you want a > > copy. Later versions may well be release on the OP Resources site. > How about posting it to argonet.acorn.binaries? At a wild guess because David would like to know who is using it, so that he can ensure updates are posted to those same people. And because he considers it rather much a *beta* stage product. Having said that, I think I will email him to get hold of a copy. I'm curious how far things have got. -- Steve Pampling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 5 16:22:05 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA145114 for opro ; Mon, 05 Feb 101 16:22:02 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 981325178:10:22400:15; Sun, 04 Feb 2001 22:19:38 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1118512; 4 Feb 2001 22:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA29973 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 4 Feb 2001 21:17:18 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA29970 for ; Sun, 4 Feb 2001 21:17:17 GMT Received: from userep32.uk.uudial.com (62.188.15.129) [62.188.15.129] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 14PXS1-0002eJ-00; Sun, 4 Feb 2001 22:16:06 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: David Breakwell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 22:10:14 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: strange cursor hang up Message-ID: <4a47bff159davidb@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , John E.D. Oram wrote: > Any ideas why this is happening, and more particularly, how to put it > right, would be very welcome. It is a bit of a drag to have to type > Ctrl/Esc. every few lines. If you are using !IdxPro then it may be the cause - the new release announced today fixes that problem. David -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Author IdxPro,Newframe,WordWrks and Labeller | | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | davidb@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 5 16:22:08 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA145115 for opro ; Mon, 05 Feb 101 16:22:06 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 981333277:20:26801:13; Mon, 05 Feb 2001 00:34:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2127319; 5 Feb 2001 0:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA30698 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 4 Feb 2001 23:33:53 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA30695 for ; Sun, 4 Feb 2001 23:33:51 GMT Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([158.152.204.98]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14PZaD-000JiH-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 00:32:41 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 00:07:02 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: !MakeRTF - Save story as RTF Message-ID: <4a47caa2d4john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a47c57584davidb@argonet.co.uk> References: <4a47c42543john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4a47c57584davidb@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4a47c57584davidb@argonet.co.uk>, David Breakwell wrote: > In article <4a47c42543john@cartmell.demon.co.uk>, > John Cartmell wrote: > > Riscript does allow text export. > But (as far as I am aware) it does not retain the style of the text (ie > font, size, colour etc) Next month's upgrade? ;-) Of course you are (so far!) correct. -- John Cartmell - Manchester, UK The next meeting of MAUG on Wednesday 21st February... ...will be... [strictly embargoed] -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 5 16:22:15 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA145117 for opro ; Mon, 05 Feb 101 16:22:12 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 981349734:20:08732:13; Mon, 05 Feb 2001 05:08:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2103711; 5 Feb 2001 5:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA31684 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 04:08:13 GMT Received: from planet.ak.planet.gen.nz (planet.ak.planet.gen.nz [202.20.65.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA31681 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 04:08:08 GMT Received: from Pzed.ak.planet.gen.nz (as5200-53.ak.planet.gen.nz [202.20.65.183]) by planet.ak.planet.gen.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA19541 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 18:06:55 +1300 (NZDT) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 07:12:31 +0100 (BST) From: David Love Subject: Re: !MakeRTF - Save story as RTF To: OvationPro User Group In-Reply-To: <4a4795cd3bdavidb@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sun 04 Feb, David Breakwell wrote: > In article <4a45ab638fdavidb@argonet.co.uk>, > David Breakwell wrote: > I have sent this version to anyone who has mailed me directly - it is less > than 10k in size. For this version please mail me if you want a copy. > Later versions may well be release on the OP Resources site. Yes, please David. David -- All political parties die at last of swallowing their own lies (John Arbuthnot (1657-1735 - Scottish physician and political pamphleteer) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 5 16:22:18 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA145118 for opro ; Mon, 05 Feb 101 16:22:15 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 981325836:10:06222:13; Sun, 04 Feb 2001 22:30:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1113485; 4 Feb 2001 22:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA30042 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 4 Feb 2001 21:28:53 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA30039 for ; Sun, 4 Feb 2001 21:28:51 GMT Received: from userek01.uk.uudial.com (62.188.13.111) [62.188.13.111] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 14PXdC-0002vU-00; Sun, 4 Feb 2001 22:27:39 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Mijas Software) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 05:58:39 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.24 for RISC OS 4.02 Subject: Re: !MakeRTF - Save story as RTF Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro David I would very much like to have a copy of your OP->RTF software if possible. You may know that I am looking at a complementary bit of software which is mainly aimed at getting RTF from sources which cannot export RTF - in practice I use it mostly for importing pdf manuals into Ovation in editable form when the original is not available. It relies on the use of !Riscript to create !Drawfiles from the pdf/postscript. A byproduct is that it can `clean up' the !Drawfiles produced by !Riscript by the use of more normal text transformatons and concatanating much of the text into full lines - making it useful for importing Posters etc. from PC sources into Ovation etc. If you are interested a (very early) beta version is on our web site:- http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/mijassw I too hope to include graphics at some point. Do you have a copy of the Microsoft RTF manual which gives quite a bit of detail in this area? Regards John -- ___ _ __ ___________________________________________ |\/| | | |_| (_ / Scientific/Education/Utilities - RISC OS 4 | | | _| | | __) Software / email: mijassw@argonet.co.uk - Developer ____________________________/ web: http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/mijassw/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 5 16:22:27 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA145120 for opro ; Mon, 05 Feb 101 16:22:23 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 981328131:10:10875:33; Sun, 04 Feb 2001 23:08:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1111403; 4 Feb 2001 23:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA30279 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 4 Feb 2001 22:07:57 GMT Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA30276 for ; Sun, 4 Feb 2001 22:07:55 GMT Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([158.152.204.98]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 14PYF3-000N1P-0X for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 4 Feb 2001 23:06:45 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 22:56:08 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: !MakeRTF - Save story as RTF Message-ID: <4a47c42543john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.02c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Mijas Software wrote: > David > I would very much like to have a copy of your OP->RTF software if > possible. You may know that I am looking at a complementary bit of > software which is mainly aimed at getting RTF from sources which cannot > export RTF - in practice I use it mostly for importing pdf manuals into > Ovation in editable form when the original is not available. It relies > on the use of !Riscript to create !Drawfiles from the pdf/postscript. Riscript does allow text export. -- John Cartmell - Manchester, UK The next meeting of MAUG on Wednesday 21st February... ...will be... [strictly embargoed] -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 5 16:22:30 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA145121 for opro ; Mon, 05 Feb 101 16:22:27 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 981369902:20:00719:18; Mon, 05 Feb 2001 10:45:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2000536; 5 Feb 2001 10:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA00351 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 09:40:34 GMT Received: from mail1.hw.ac.uk (mail1.hw.ac.uk [137.195.170.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA00348 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 09:40:31 GMT Received: from [137.195.101.212] (helo=mail-r2.hw.ac.uk ident=exim) by mail1.hw.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 14Pj3F-0005yx-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 10:39:17 +0000 Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.32.15]) by mail-r2.hw.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 14Pj3F-0003nW-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 05 Feb 2001 10:39:17 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 10:32:12 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Addition to resources site Message-ID: <4a4803df4fC.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Just to confirm that version 1.07 of IdxPro is now on the resources site, url in sig. Chris... -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) mailto: Chris@bulldog.u-net.com (at home) ovpro web site http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 5 16:22:32 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA145122 for opro ; Mon, 05 Feb 101 16:22:30 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 981328687:10:01389:16; Sun, 04 Feb 2001 23:18:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1000458; 4 Feb 2001 23:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA30335 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 4 Feb 2001 22:17:34 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA30332 for ; Sun, 4 Feb 2001 22:17:32 GMT Received: from userej37.uk.uudial.com (62.188.13.48) [62.188.13.48] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 14PYOK-0003x7-00; Sun, 4 Feb 2001 23:16:21 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: David Breakwell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 23:10:29 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: !MakeRTF - Save story as RTF Message-ID: <4a47c57584davidb@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a47c42543john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> References: <4a47c42543john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4a47c42543john@cartmell.demon.co.uk>, John Cartmell wrote: > Riscript does allow text export. But (as far as I am aware) it does not retain the style of the text (ie font, size, colour etc) David -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | davidb@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 5 21:22:38 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA145154 for opro ; Mon, 05 Feb 101 21:22:35 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 981403687:10:03769:18; Mon, 05 Feb 2001 20:08:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1109603; 5 Feb 2001 20:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA02224 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 19:50:06 GMT Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net (monsoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA02221 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 19:50:04 GMT Received: (qmail 26025 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2001 19:49:59 -0000 Received: from useraa30.uk.uudial.com (HELO RPC) (62.188.130.30) by smtp-1.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2001 19:49:59 -0000 Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 22:52:40 +0000 From: Mik Towse To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: !MakeRTF - Save story as RTF Message-ID: <4A47C3D41A%mik.towse@xemik.com> References: <4a47a21ba3davidb@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a47a21ba3davidb@argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.10d POPstar/2.02 X-Editor: Zap 1.44, using ZapEmail 0.25 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4a47a21ba3davidb@argonet.co.uk> David Breakwell wrote: > Mik Towse wrote: > > How about posting it to argonet.acorn.binaries? > At present I would rather retain a list of users and correct bugs as they > come and be able to send updates to them. [snip] Fair comment. It was just a thought... :o) -- Mik Towse * mik.towse@xemik.com * http://www.xemik.com/ My writers' site can be found at: http://www.lexis.org.uk Cats know precisely when their owners will wake up. Then promptly awaken them 10 minutes earlier. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 6 01:59:23 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA145166 for opro ; Tue, 06 Feb 101 01:59:21 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 981420917:20:14485:14; Tue, 06 Feb 2001 00:55:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2102840; 6 Feb 2001 0:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA03123 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 00:47:33 GMT Received: from imo-r14.mx.aol.com (imo-r14.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.68]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA03120 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 00:47:31 GMT From: Received: from Tomhopley@aol.com by imo-r14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id d.30.1019b260 (3861) for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 19:46:48 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <30.1019b260.27b0a377@aol.com> Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 19:46:47 EST Subject: Re: !MakeRTF - Save story as RTF To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In a message dated 2/4/01 2:46:49 PM GMT Standard Time, davidb@argonet.co.uk writes: > For this version please mail me if you want a copy. Yes please TomH tomhopley@aol.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 6 17:48:51 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA145211 for opro ; Tue, 06 Feb 101 17:48:48 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 981477255:10:27735:30; Tue, 06 Feb 2001 16:34:15 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1119907; 6 Feb 2001 16:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA05933 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 16:11:40 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA05930 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 16:11:37 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14QAiK-0000oK-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 16:11:32 +0000 Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 14:10:54 GMT Message-Id: <145200@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: strange cursor hang up X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >My OP programme has started to produce an irritating little problem - the >cursor will intermittently 'freeze' and have to be 'unstuck' by pressing >Ctrl/Esc, which throws up an error box "Script stopped" but places the >cursor on the next line and everything works normally again ( until the >next time, often only a line or two later). Given the symptoms, an applet is the suspect. >week or two - but the only changes I am aware of making are to include a >few more applets from the OP disc. Ah ha! Turn them off until you find the one which is causing the trouble. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 7 20:08:49 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA145274 for opro ; Wed, 07 Feb 101 20:08:47 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 981576021:20:15648:13; Wed, 07 Feb 2001 20:00:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2015501; 7 Feb 2001 20:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA10831 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 19:55:02 GMT Received: from mail2.svr.pol.co.uk (mail2.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.210]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA10825 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 19:54:54 GMT Received: from modem-39.depacon.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.88.39] helo=jhmarsden.freeserve.co.uk) by mail2.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 14Qag0-0000IU-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 07 Feb 2001 19:54:53 +0000 Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 19:29:56 +0000 (GMT) From: Dr J H E Marsden Subject: Re: !MakeRTF - Save story as RTF To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <4a4795cd3bdavidb@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Sun 04 Feb, David Breakwell wrote: > In article <4a45ab638fdavidb@argonet.co.uk>, > David Breakwell wrote: > > snip > I have sent this version to anyone who has mailed me directly - it is less > than 10k in size. For this version please mail me if you want a copy. > Later versions may well be release on the OP Resources site. I should be very grateful for a copy, -- John Marsden. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Feb 8 13:25:33 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA145295 for opro ; Thu, 08 Feb 101 13:25:31 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 981597809:10:25422:21; Thu, 08 Feb 2001 02:03:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1025236; 8 Feb 2001 2:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA11893 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 02:01:24 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA11890 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 02:01:22 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14QgOg-0003fO-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 02:01:22 +0000 Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 01:50:12 GMT Message-Id: <145289@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: !MakeRTF - Save story as RTF X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, Someone asked me to explain... A few people have posted to the list that they'd like the RTF saver. Problem is that all 500 other people on the list get to read the request. And its not very interesting or illuminating for them. What you're supposed to do is email David Breakwell by private email. Secondly I occasionally read comp.sys.acorn and my email reader shows about the first 30 lines of each message. I can rarely skip through messages because usually the first 30 lines are quoted. Again other list users will appreciate you quoting the relevant bits of messages, and not quoting an 80 line chunk and sticking 'me too' on the end. Finally I've seen the RTF saver and it fits in very nicely with Ovation Pro. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From jmgray@argonet.co.uk Thu Feb 8 13:25:36 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA145296 for opro ; Thu, 08 Feb 101 13:25:35 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 981619429:10:19170:6; Thu, 08 Feb 2001 08:03:49 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1018913; 8 Feb 2001 8:03 GMT Received: from userbi72.uk.uudial.com (62.188.143.136) [62.188.143.136] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 14Qm2z-0000HP-00; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 08:03:22 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: J.M. Gray To: David Pilling Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 06:44:28 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: !MakeRTF - Save story as RTF Message-ID: <4a497a87bfjmgray@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <145289@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <145289@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain In article <145289@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > A few people > by private email. > Secondly > sticking 'me too' on the end. Hear, hear! -- J.M. Gray, Assistant Treasurer British Lichen Society jmgray@argonet.co.uk ************************************************ * Please note the new URL for the BLS website: * * http://www.theBLS.org.uk * ************************************************ From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Feb 8 13:25:44 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA145300 for opro ; Thu, 08 Feb 101 13:25:42 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 981638450:20:03894:42; Thu, 08 Feb 2001 13:20:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2003321; 8 Feb 2001 13:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA13724 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 13:16:21 GMT Received: from cwcom.net (email.cwcom.net [195.44.0.150]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA13721 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 13:16:19 GMT Received: from default ([195.44.14.220]) by cwcom.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.537.53); Thu, 8 Feb 2001 13:18:02 +0000 Message-ID: <002c01c091d1$2ed0c480$cfd32cc3@default> From: "Noel Thompson" To: References: Subject: Re: !MakeRTF - Save story as RTF Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 13:14:29 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alf Chamings" To: Sent: 08 February, 2001 11:51 AM Subject: Re: !MakeRTF - Save story as RTF > On Thu 08 Feb, David Pilling wrote: > > > > > > Finally I've seen the RTF saver and it fits in very nicely with Ovation Pro > > > A great addition, but so far I have not been able to make it produce files > that Word 97 can open. I take it other people have not had this problem or > they would have said so. > > What I have done is take any old OPro file, save as RTF on to a DOS floppy > with either a /RTF or /DOC extension and try to open it in Word on a PC. I > get an error message saying Word cannot open this file. Easiwriter can open > them but with some strange effects on formatting. Easiwriter also gives a > message 'unexpected end to RTF file' before it opens it. > > Any comments, anyone? > > Alf > I did exactly the same and had precisely the same experience in all particulars, except that I omitted the DOS floppy stage. Having a RiscPC, I made a direct transfer of the RTF file from OP to Word 97. I informed David of this by a message to his own address. Noel Thompson. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Feb 8 13:28:15 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA145302 for opro ; Thu, 08 Feb 101 13:28:13 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 981633439:10:16508:22; Thu, 08 Feb 2001 11:57:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1105811; 8 Feb 2001 11:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA13410 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 11:51:08 GMT Received: from holyrood.ed.ac.uk (holyrood.ed.ac.uk [129.215.16.14]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA13407 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 11:51:05 GMT Received: from alfred.ed.ac.uk (dialup-132.publab.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.132]) by holyrood.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA10147 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 11:51:04 GMT Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 11:51:22 +0000 (GMT) From: Alf Chamings Subject: Re: !MakeRTF - Save story as RTF To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <145289@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 08 Feb, David Pilling wrote: > > > Finally I've seen the RTF saver and it fits in very nicely with Ovation Pro > A great addition, but so far I have not been able to make it produce files that Word 97 can open. I take it other people have not had this problem or they would have said so. What I have done is take any old OPro file, save as RTF on to a DOS floppy with either a /RTF or /DOC extension and try to open it in Word on a PC. I get an error message saying Word cannot open this file. Easiwriter can open them but with some strange effects on formatting. Easiwriter also gives a message 'unexpected end to RTF file' before it opens it. Any comments, anyone? Alf -- Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh, EH3 9YW, UK tel +44 131 536 3251 fax +44 131 536 3283 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Feb 8 14:25:38 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA145303 for opro ; Thu, 08 Feb 101 14:25:36 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 981641158:10:00983:18; Thu, 08 Feb 2001 14:05:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1106352; 8 Feb 2001 14:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA13933 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 13:57:57 GMT Received: from apollo.le.ac.uk (apollo.le.ac.uk [143.210.16.125]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA13930 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 13:57:55 GMT Received: from happy.star.le.ac.uk ([143.210.36.58]) by apollo.le.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 14Qra6-0007Ex-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 08 Feb 2001 13:57:54 +0000 Received: (qmail 24261 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2001 13:58:15 -0000 Received: from xmm4.xra.le.ac.uk (143.210.40.54) by happy.star.le.ac.uk with SMTP; 8 Feb 2001 13:58:15 -0000 Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 13:57:52 +0000 (GMT) From: Liam Gretton Subject: Re: !MakeRTF - Save story as RTF To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Space Research Centre, University of Leicester, UK X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 08 Feb, Alf Chamings wrote: > What I have done is take any old OPro file, save as RTF on to a DOS floppy > with either a /RTF or /DOC extension and try to open it in Word on a PC. I > get an error message saying Word cannot open this file. Easiwriter can > open them but with some strange effects on formatting. Easiwriter also > gives a message 'unexpected end to RTF file' before it opens it. This suggests that you're not dismounting the DOS floppy once you've finished with it. It's very important with RISC OS that you always dismount DOS floppies when you've finished writing to them. -- Liam Gretton ljg@star.le.ac.uk Space Research Centre, http://www.src.le.ac.uk/ Physics and Astronomy Dept, phone +44 (0) 116 223 1039 University of Leicester, fax +44 (0) 116 252 2464 Leicester LE1 7RH, UK http://xmm4.xra.le.ac.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Feb 8 14:25:39 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA145304 for opro ; Thu, 08 Feb 101 14:25:36 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 981642183:20:02104:42; Thu, 08 Feb 2001 14:23:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2001479; 8 Feb 2001 14:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA14080 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 14:18:14 GMT Received: from holyrood.ed.ac.uk (holyrood.ed.ac.uk [129.215.16.14]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA14077 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 14:18:12 GMT Received: from alfred.ed.ac.uk (dialup-132.publab.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.132]) by holyrood.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA23741 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 14:18:11 GMT Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 14:19:46 +0000 (GMT) From: Alf Chamings Subject: Re: !MakeRTF - Save story as RTF To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 08 Feb, Liam Gretton wrote: > On Thu 08 Feb, Alf Chamings wrote: > > What I have done is take any old OPro file, save as RTF on to a DOS floppy > > with either a /RTF or /DOC extension and try to open it in Word on a PC. I > > get an error message saying Word cannot open this file. Easiwriter can > > open them but with some strange effects on formatting. Easiwriter also > > gives a message 'unexpected end to RTF file' before it opens it. > > This suggests that you're not dismounting the DOS floppy once you've > finished with it. It's very important with RISC OS that you always dismount > DOS floppies when you've finished writing to them. > Thanks for the reminder. It's not that, though. See forwarded message from David Breakwell. He is aware of the problem and will fix it. Alf -- Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh, EH3 9YW, UK tel +44 131 536 3251 fax +44 131 536 3283 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Feb 8 20:05:30 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA145315 for opro ; Thu, 08 Feb 101 20:05:27 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 981642435:10:02113:18; Thu, 08 Feb 2001 14:27:15 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1127676; 8 Feb 2001 14:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA14051 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 14:14:24 GMT Received: from holyrood.ed.ac.uk (holyrood.ed.ac.uk [129.215.16.14]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA14048 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 14:14:22 GMT Received: from alfred.ed.ac.uk (dialup-132.publab.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.132]) by holyrood.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA22516 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 14:14:21 GMT Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 14:15:30 +0000 (GMT) From: Alf Chamings Subject: !MakeRTF (fwd) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <4918B9B9016ED411AF5B00D0B72035486A9721@UKMain> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro -- Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh, EH3 9YW, UK tel +44 131 536 3251 fax +44 131 536 3283 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 12:12:12 -0000 From: To: AlfChamings@ed.ac.uk Subject: !MakeRTF Hi Alf I was ware of these problems last night and made a fix for Easiwriter. I believe it is the same problem for MS Word. I will issue a new release at the end of the week to all registered users. In the meantime WordPad loads the RTF correctly. David PS: Can you post the above to mailing list as I don't have the address handy - Thanks This forwarded message from David Breakwell relates to the problem I had in getting Word to load an RTF file from this applet. Alf -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Feb 9 02:34:25 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA145320 for opro ; Fri, 09 Feb 101 02:34:23 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 981676883:10:12651:20; Fri, 09 Feb 2001 00:01:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1012351; 9 Feb 2001 0:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA15952 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 23:47:14 GMT Received: from mail1.svr.pol.co.uk (mail1.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.18]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA15949 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 23:47:11 GMT Received: from modem-88.lemonpeel-angel.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.37.88] helo=magray.freeserve.co.uk) by mail1.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 14R0m9-0000MT-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 08 Feb 2001 23:47:00 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 17:04:28 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: !MakeRTF - Save story as RTF Message-ID: <4a49b34b11rayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <145289@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02c (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Alf Chamings wrote: > On Thu 08 Feb, David Pilling wrote: > > > > > > Finally I've seen the RTF saver and it fits in very nicely with > > Ovation Pro > > > A great addition, but so far I have not been able to make it produce > files that Word 97 can open. I take it other people have not had this > problem or they would have said so. > What I have done is take any old OPro file, save as RTF on to a DOS > floppy with either a /RTF or /DOC extension and try to open it in Word > on a PC. I get an error message saying Word cannot open this file. > Easiwriter can open them but with some strange effects on formatting. > Easiwriter also gives a message 'unexpected end to RTF file' before it > opens it. Same here, although I'm saving over my network as a .rtf file. Word 2000 tells me that the pathname is incorrect and it can't load the file. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 020 8864 7208 | the audio and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Feb 9 02:34:28 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA145321 for opro ; Fri, 09 Feb 101 02:34:26 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 981679063:10:25765:18; Fri, 09 Feb 2001 00:37:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1025317; 9 Feb 2001 0:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA16083 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 00:18:42 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA16080 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 00:18:39 GMT Received: from userfv54.uk.uudial.com (62.188.28.17) [62.188.28.17] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 14R1Gm-000144-00; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 00:18:37 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: David Breakwell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 00:12:24 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: save story as RTF Message-ID: <4a49da78cddavidb@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a45ab638fdavidb@argonet.co.uk> References: <144813@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4a45ab638fdavidb@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4a45ab638fdavidb@argonet.co.uk>, David Breakwell wrote: > Due to the obvious interest in this I've decided to focus on getting a > Beta release out (I've got a little more time) as I really need some > people testing it. Dear All The beta has now been released and I have started to get back useful bug reports and feedback. I hope that over the weekend these can be fixed so that Easiwriter/Word can load all the fields !MakeRTF generates. In the meantime I believe that WordPad can load the files successfully that word cannot (the other alternative is to add }s to the end of the file until you reach success). Many thanks for your support and encouragement David In addition the hope is that I can work around the bugs in the RTF loader so that my RTF can be loaded into OP. -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | davidb@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Feb 9 14:04:27 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA145341 for opro ; Fri, 09 Feb 101 14:04:26 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 981718822:20:13113:21; Fri, 09 Feb 2001 11:40:22 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2012790; 9 Feb 2001 11:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA17801 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 11:33:47 GMT Received: from altrade.nijmegen.inter.nl.net (altrade.nijmegen.inter.nl.net [193.67.237.6]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA17798 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 11:33:45 GMT Received: from padua by altrade.nijmegen.inter.nl.net via 1Cust15.tnt12.rtm1.nl.uu.net [213.116.118.15] with SMTP for id MAA07579 (8.8.8/1.3); Fri, 9 Feb 2001 12:33:40 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <000f01c0928b$9afe4b40$4d01a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: "Ovation Pro" References: <145289@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4a49b34b11rayd@argonet.co.uk> Subject: Re: !MakeRTF - Save story as RTF Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 12:29:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro For the RTF's made with !MakeRTF of Ovation Pro files, that don't open in Word, there is a simple cure: Loading the RTF first in Wordpad (you can find this program on every PC) and use save. After that, the RTF loads quite happily in Word. mrs. Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Feb 9 14:04:50 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA145343 for opro ; Fri, 09 Feb 101 14:04:48 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 981725168:20:19651:13; Fri, 09 Feb 2001 13:26:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2018925; 9 Feb 2001 13:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA27007 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 13:22:23 GMT Received: from holyrood.ed.ac.uk (holyrood.ed.ac.uk [129.215.16.14]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA27004 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 13:22:20 GMT Received: from alfred.ed.ac.uk (dialup-133.publab.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.133]) by holyrood.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA10369 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 13:22:19 GMT Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 13:23:56 +0000 (GMT) From: Alf Chamings Subject: Re: save story as RTF To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <4a49da78cddavidb@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 09 Feb, David Breakwell wrote: > The beta has now been released and I have started to get back useful bug > reports and feedback. I hope that over the weekend these can be fixed so > that Easiwriter/Word can load all the fields !MakeRTF generates. In the > meantime I believe that WordPad can load the files successfully that word > cannot (the other alternative is to add }s to the end of the file until > you reach success). > > Many thanks for your support and encouragement > > David > > In addition the hope is that I can work around the bugs in the RTF loader > so that my RTF can be loaded into OP. > Great. Wordpad route seems to work fine. Alf -- Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh, EH3 9YW, UK tel +44 131 536 3251 fax +44 131 536 3283 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Feb 9 16:05:42 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA145352 for opro ; Fri, 09 Feb 101 16:05:40 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 981728113:20:22087:18; Fri, 09 Feb 2001 14:15:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2101288; 9 Feb 2001 14:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA27340 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 14:12:19 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA27337 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 14:12:17 GMT Received: from userep40.uk.uudial.com (bi11.argonet.co.uk) [62.188.15.137] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 14REHY-0005dG-00; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 14:12:16 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Torrens To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 13:44:43 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Catalogues Message-ID: <4a4a24d74drichard@4qd.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro We publish a catalogue - it's in two parts. Most items have a drawing and a description. It's the sort of thing Farnel, RS and most other catalogue publishers do, but on a small scale. I'm happy with what I have done in O-Pro - until it is time to add new bits. This may be in part because of the way I have the objects arranged. But I'm sure it's a problem others have experienced, so how would others go about it. I've tried embedded objects - but I don't think that's ever going to be appropriate for this sort of thing? The more complicated O-Pro document is at http://www.4qd.co.uk/instrs/accs.zip Both are available in PDF http://www.4qd.co.uk/instrs/accs.pdf http://www.4qd.co.uk/instrs/select.pdf The second one has a centrefold: http://www.4qd.co.uk/instrs/selcentre.pdf which is done in PipeDream - maybe there's a better way of doing that? There is also a pricelist - done in Techwriter. But I'd also rather use O-Pro for that. Can't see a way - would Tablemate do it? If anyone wants other originals to play with, please ask. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Torrens 4QD manufacture speed controllers for battery electric motors. www site http://www.4QD.co.uk ---------- We use a RISC PC 32 bit RISC computer ---------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Feb 10 01:43:32 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA145372 for opro ; Sat, 10 Feb 101 01:43:29 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 981758670:10:25822:15; Fri, 09 Feb 2001 22:44:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1128252; 9 Feb 2001 22:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA28719 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 22:41:25 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA28716 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 22:41:23 GMT Received: from userfv80.uk.uudial.com (62.188.28.43) [62.188.28.43] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 14RMEE-0001xK-00; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 22:41:23 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: David Breakwell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 22:32:26 +0000 (GMT) Subject: save story as RTF Message-ID: <4a4a5527b2davidb@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Dear All, Just a quick note to say I have now modelled why people are experiencing a few mismatches between OP and the saved RTF. I am therefore working on a new release to overcome this issue (it was a design flaw in my generation logic caused by a misunderstanding of the DDL logic). I will send a revised version to all registered users when this work is complete. On a different note please send any bug reports etc to me directly and not via the mailing list as this only clogs up the list with unnecessary messages - I am keen to resolve issues and make MakeRTF a useful product. In light of the current bugs please do not send any further bug reports until after the next release - the current bugs can cause incorrect text formatting and styles and also result in some RTF readers refusing to load the file (this comes down to how forgiving the readers are for incorrect RTF). Cheers David PS: Some users requests for MakeRTF have been bounced - you are still on the distribution list and I will attempt to mail you the update. -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Author IdxPro,Newframe,WordWrks and Labeller | | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | davidb@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 12 18:20:18 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA145400 for opro ; Mon, 12 Feb 101 18:20:15 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 981847050:10:19841:25; Sat, 10 Feb 2001 23:17:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1105723; 10 Feb 2001 23:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA32041 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 10 Feb 2001 22:56:50 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA32037 for ; Sat, 10 Feb 2001 22:56:48 GMT Received: from userep58.uk.uudial.com (62.188.15.155) [62.188.15.155] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 14Riwc-0000Ox-00; Sat, 10 Feb 2001 22:56:42 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: David Breakwell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 22:49:41 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: save story as RTF Message-ID: <4a4ada921cdavidb@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a4a5527b2davidb@argonet.co.uk> References: <4a4a5527b2davidb@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4a4a5527b2davidb@argonet.co.uk>, David Breakwell wrote: > Just a quick note to say I have now modelled why people are experiencing > a few mismatches between OP and the saved RTF. I am therefore working on > a new release to overcome this issue (it was a design flaw in my > generation logic caused by a misunderstanding of the DDL logic). My two testers have returned with their verdicts of release 3.02, these appear to be positive with the major reported bugs fixed. I've got a few mods to do to include underlining, super/subscript etc but the release will be completed by tomorrow. All users who have sent emails will receive a copy of this update. Regards David -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Author IdxPro,Newframe,WordWrks and Labeller | | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | davidb@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 12 18:22:41 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA145429 for opro ; Mon, 12 Feb 101 18:22:37 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 981985584:20:14787:15; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 13:46:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2116493; 12 Feb 2001 13:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA04484 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 13:33:33 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA04481 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 13:33:30 GMT Received: from userec62.uk.uudial.com (oramj.argonet.co.uk) [62.188.10.142] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 14SJ6e-0002eJ-00; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 13:33:28 +0000 Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 13:32:32 +0000 (GMT) From: "John E.D. Oram" Subject: Re: strange cursor hang-up To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: John Oram, Sheffield, + 44 0114 2663910 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi Thanks to those of you who came up with helpful suggestions as to why the text cursor suddenly hung-up after pressing following certain full-stops. (generating the "script stopped" error notice). I eventually tracked it down to the presence of the "!Line" applet from Levens Software as Jonathan Somnier had suggested (special Ta! to him). It has confirmed one other thing for me - that it is worth wading through the large number of e-mails that the !OPro helpline sends, when you get such speedy and helpful responses. John. -- John Oram, John Oram & Associates - Psychotherapy Centre, 13 Rustlings Rd, Sheffield, S.Yorks, England. S11 7AA + 44 0114 2663910 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 12 18:22:48 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA145430 for opro ; Mon, 12 Feb 101 18:22:44 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 981991219:20:19311:13; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 15:20:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2019188; 12 Feb 2001 15:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA04762 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 15:13:27 GMT Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA04759 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 15:13:25 GMT Received: from mk-net.demon.co.uk ([194.222.12.18] helo=Tonys) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 14SKfK-000FNS-0V for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 15:13:22 +0000 Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 14:16:31 GMT From: Tony van der Hoff To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: strange cursor hang-up Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: CCC User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: > Hi > > Thanks to those of you who came up with helpful suggestions as to why the > text cursor suddenly hung-up after pressing following certain > full-stops. (generating the "script stopped" error notice). > > I eventually tracked it down to the presence of the "!Line" applet from > Levens Software as Jonathan Somnier had suggested (special Ta! to him). > > It has confirmed one other thing for me - that it is worth wading through > the large number of e-mails that the !OPro helpline sends, when you get > such speedy and helpful responses. > It also emphasises the point that (IME) anything by Levens Software needs to be treated with a fair amount of caution. -- Tony van der Hoff | MailTo:tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk | MailTo:avanderhoff@iee.org Buckinghamshire, England | http:mk-net.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 13 14:23:07 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA145497 for opro ; Tue, 13 Feb 101 14:22:46 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 982068085:20:04889:23; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 12:41:25 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2005107; 13 Feb 2001 12:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA07692 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 12:23:49 GMT Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA07689 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 12:23:47 GMT Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 14SeUl-0004kg-0V for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 12:23:47 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 12:20:30 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: strange cursor hang-up Message-ID: <4a4c2c79afJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.01g (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On 12 Feb, John E.D. Oram wrote: > Hi > Thanks to those of you who came up with helpful suggestions as to why > the text cursor suddenly hung-up after pressing following > certain full-stops. (generating the "script stopped" error notice). > I eventually tracked it down ... Perhaps DP could enhance the code that drives scripts so that error boxes like this include the script's name? -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 13 17:20:09 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA145523 for opro ; Tue, 13 Feb 101 17:20:08 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 982080094:20:29608:19; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 16:01:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2029455; 13 Feb 2001 16:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA08300 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 15:46:45 GMT Received: from mail.ims-firmen.de (qmailr@mail.ims-firmen.de [212.172.125.4]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA08297 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 15:46:43 GMT Received: (qmail 598 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2001 15:49:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO shelley) (217.2.255.14) by ims-firmen.de with SMTP; 13 Feb 2001 15:49:51 -0000 Received: from uff411.ucs.de (212.108.202.179) by shelley.ucs.de; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 16:43:02 +0100 Received: from kaskaskia.ucs.de by uff411.ucs.de; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 16:45:25 +0100 Received: from martinv by kaskaskia.ucs.de with local (RemoteNB 1.08beta2) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; 13 Feb 2001 16:45:22 +0100 Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 16:45:22 +0100 From: Martin Vethake To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: German hyphenation Message-ID: <443b3f4c4a.martinv@kaskaskia.ucs.de> References: <143389@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <143389@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: U C S User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10 (RemoteNB/1.08beta2) (RISC-OS/3.70) X-Editor: Zap 1.44 (14 Jan 2001) [TEST 4], ZapEmail 0.25 (20 Sep 2000) test-5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hello, me again, there are quite a few customers asking about german hyphenation. I was thinking if we just had a *really* big exception dict would that not work? Regards -- Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 13 19:23:26 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA145535 for opro ; Tue, 13 Feb 101 19:23:22 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 982085764:10:01485:20; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 17:36:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1000032; 13 Feb 2001 17:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA08676 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 17:21:17 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA07056 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 07:36:47 GMT Received: from userax15.uk.uudial.com (62.188.139.6) [62.188.139.6] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 14Sa0f-0005Sh-00; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 07:36:26 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Colin Wildart To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 07:43:29 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Proactive Buttons Message-ID: <4a4c131d2ecolinwoolf@wildart.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.14f (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi For some time now I have wished that the buttons for 'snap to guidelines' and 'snap to object' would show whether they are set or unset. I am sure that I am not alone in this. Designing two sets of buttons for each is no problem writing the script to do this is beyond me. DavidP is too busy at present, so if someone would like one of my prints adorning their walls as payment, I lay down the gauntlet. First working script wins the prize. TTFN Colin -- Colin Woolf Watercolour Artist - Fine Art Paintings Graphic Design & Illustration please visit the Web Site www.wildart.co.uk colinwoolf@wildart.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 13 19:23:33 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA145536 for opro ; Tue, 13 Feb 101 19:23:29 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 982086007:10:08906:13; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 17:40:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1117438; 13 Feb 2001 17:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA08677 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 17:21:18 GMT Received: from mail1.svr.pol.co.uk (mail1.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.18]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA07708 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 12:31:32 GMT Received: from modem-52.dextroamphetam.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.90.52] helo=freeserve.co.uk) by mail1.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 14SecF-0004bN-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 12:31:32 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Brian Jordan To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 12:26:14 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Euro symbol Message-ID: <4a4c2d0017brian@drood68.freeserve.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02d (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I know I once found a way of removing the Euro symbol from the left side of the !StylePal applet display. I had a bit of a tidy-up today and it came back. How do I get this to display as a tick again? -- Brian Jordan >From an SA RPC somewhere in North Hampshire. England Did Noah keep his bees in archives? -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 14 01:52:56 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA145555 for opro ; Wed, 14 Feb 101 01:52:54 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 982101105:10:24057:34; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 21:51:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1023559; 13 Feb 2001 21:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA09540 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 21:46:26 GMT Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-10.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA09537 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 21:46:24 GMT Received: from [212.238.35.147] (helo=woltersd.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.14 #2) id 14SnHD-0004hN-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 21:46:24 +0000 Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 22:35:54 +0000 (GMT) From: Dick Wolters Subject: Re: German hyphenation To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <443b3f4c4a.martinv@kaskaskia.ucs.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Tue 13 Feb, Martin Vethake wrote: > Hello, > me again, there are quite a few customers asking about german hyphenation. > I was thinking if we just had a *really* big exception dict would that > not work? Yes, it will. I do it with the Dutch dictionary. It would be nice to have more than one !HyphDict, one for every language you want to use. Dick -- D.Wolters Maastricht e-mail: postbus@woltersd.demon.nl http://www.woltersd.demon.nl -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 14 01:52:59 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA145556 for opro ; Wed, 14 Feb 101 01:52:57 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 982101849:10:13492:19; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 22:04:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1100713; 13 Feb 2001 22:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA09624 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 22:01:18 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA09621 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 22:01:16 GMT Received: from userfs34.uk.uudial.com (62.188.26.208) [62.188.26.208] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 14SnVb-00013d-00; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 22:01:15 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: David Breakwell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 21:55:21 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Proactive Buttons Message-ID: <4a4c611abcdavidb@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a4c131d2ecolinwoolf@wildart.co.uk> References: <4a4c131d2ecolinwoolf@wildart.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <4a4c131d2ecolinwoolf@wildart.co.uk>, Colin Wildart wrote: > For some time now I have wished that the buttons for > 'snap to guidelines' and 'snap to object' would show whether they > are set or unset. I am sure that I am not alone in this. > Designing two sets of buttons for each is no problem writing > the script to do this is beyond me. > DavidP is too busy at present, so if someone would like one of my > prints adorning their walls as payment, I lay down the gauntlet. > First working script wins the prize. int lockgrid = 1; int lockobj = 1; string lg_on = "time"; string lg_off = "date"; string lo_on = "time"; string lo_off = "time"; string snapmac_do(int button, int opt) { string ret; ret =""; opt = ((opt&0xFF00)>>8); if(button==1) { if(opt==8) { if(lockgrid==1) ret = lg_on; else ret = lg_off; } if (opt==1) { lockgrid = lockgrid ^ 1; } } if(button==2) { if(opt==8) { if(lockobj==1) ret = lo_on; else ret = lo_off; } if (opt==1) { lockobj = lockobj ^ 1; } } viewpref1(283464,28246,0,0,lockgrid,lockobj,1); return ret; } void main() { lockgrid = 0; lockobj = 0; defmacro2(68,"lockgswtch","{macv=snapmac_do(1,macenv);}",lg_off,"Switch Lock Grid"); defmacro2(68,"lockgswtch2","{macv=snapmac_do(2,macenv);}",lo_off,"Switch Lock Object"); } 1. Create a new directory in your applets directory called !lockswtch 2. Copy in a !ARun from another applet directory 3. Create a subdirectory of !lockswtch called library 4. Save the above program with filetype OvpScrpt in library with a filename of lockswtch. This creates two buttons on the button bar that act as switches for the two options, the text defaults at the top are the button names (sprites) used. I'd be the first to admit its not 100% elegant but it should work. Regards David -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Author IdxPro,Newframe,WordWrks and Labeller | | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | davidb@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 14 02:53:08 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA145574 for opro ; Wed, 14 Feb 101 02:53:07 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 982115807:20:25620:16; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 01:56:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2025373; 14 Feb 2001 1:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA10295 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 01:53:31 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA10291 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 01:53:29 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14Sr8L-000B78-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 01:53:29 +0000 Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 20:56:38 GMT Message-Id: <145548@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Euro symbol X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro How to get rid of the Euro... I think Nick Kaijaks improved StylePal does this. If you have the CD it's in Others.Kaijaks. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 14 02:53:12 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA145575 for opro ; Wed, 14 Feb 101 02:53:10 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 982115837:20:26590:16; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 01:57:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2117779; 14 Feb 2001 1:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA10294 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 01:53:30 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA10287 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 01:53:28 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14Sr8J-000B78-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 01:53:27 +0000 Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 20:53:28 GMT Message-Id: <145546@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: German hyphenation X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Yes, having a really big exceptions dictionary would work. although I always get confused about the supposed existence of rules in German which change the spelling of a word if it is hyphenated. That sort of thing can't be accomodated without big changes in the program. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 14 13:57:40 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA145576 for opro ; Wed, 14 Feb 101 13:57:37 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 982119467:10:20106:22; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 02:57:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1019865; 14 Feb 2001 2:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA10636 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 02:54:04 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA10633 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 02:54:02 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14Ss4v-000H8d-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 02:54:01 +0000 Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 02:03:06 GMT Message-Id: <145566@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Help needed printing Pamphlets please X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Can any kind soul suggest the correct settings in the Print Set Up >dialogue window and help save a few trees!! I seem to have got There's no 'right' setting for reverse. It depends on the paper path in your printer. Many will have a choice of two. Simply if the first sheet of paper from the first pass is going to be the first printed on the second pass then reverse should not be selected. If it is the last then reverse should be selected. As to numebrs being all over the place. I'd be inclined to see what the problem is. Page 1 should have page 2 on its back. If you find the last sheet has page 2 on its back then the reverse setting is wrong. If you expand the print dialogue box there's a button 'sheet' which will let you see what should be on each sheet and let you print a sheet at a time. Finally, saving trees, there is SPrinter on my web site which will let you print without using any paper. (or use ArcFax). David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 14 13:57:40 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA145577 for opro ; Wed, 14 Feb 101 13:57:37 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 982119444:20:06878:13; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 02:57:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2006721; 14 Feb 2001 2:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA10631 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 02:54:00 GMT Received: from mta5-svc.virgin.net (mta5-win.server.ntli.net [62.253.164.45]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA09409 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 20:57:41 GMT Received: from localhost.com ([62.252.36.118]) by mta5-svc.virgin.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with SMTP id <20010213205740.KMLF23863.mta5-svc.virgin.net@localhost.com> for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 20:57:40 +0000 Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 20:56:04 GMT From: Gerald Cobbe To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Help needed printing Pamphlets please Message-ID: <71ad5b4c4a.Gerald@virgin.net> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id UAA09410 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi Folks, Youll have to excuse me if this is a fairly basic question but, having only purchased Ovation Pro last Saturday at the SouthWest Show, I am a complete novice. As I prefer reading a hard copy of the literature I decided to produce a pamphlet printout of the Ovation Pro CD Guide. I started by following the instructions in the Manual which suggested printing the front rst, followed by printing the back with the reverse button clicked. When folding the finished result, the page numbering was all over the place. I then found the 'Print-Aid le on the CD (a 4 page document) and followed the instructions as per above but without the reverse button being clicked and it printed out the 4 page pamphlet perfectly. Having thought Id cracked it I followed the same procedure on the original 27 page document, but the page numbering was all over the place again. Can any kind soul suggest the correct settings in the Print Set Up dialogue window and help save a few trees!! I seem to have got through reams of paper trying. Thanks in anticipation. -- Gerald Cobbe -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 14 13:57:44 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA145578 for opro ; Wed, 14 Feb 101 13:57:41 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 982130456:10:26190:15; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 06:00:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1110904; 14 Feb 2001 6:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA11297 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 05:57:34 GMT Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA11294 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 05:57:31 GMT Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 14SuwU-0000Xj-0U for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 05:57:30 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 05:55:44 +0000 (GMT) Subject: A question about PageMaker (sorry) Message-ID: <4a4c8d15d7Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.01g (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I've been told that a document that I'm working on will probably be formatted via PageMaker (dunno which version or platform). The text that is in preparation has some structural tagging in it (vaguely like SGML) so I can manipulate it into another tagged format if I want to, reasonably easily. I've been told that it is easiest just to import vanilla ASCII text into PM, but I know that PM has various import/export filters - but not anything more specific than that. I've been exploring Adobe's web site which seems to have a lot of glossy- brochure type PDF files to download but -in my view- surprisingly little technical information, so can anyone tell me what types of "standard" files can be imported by PM? I've seen something described as "tagged text" which appears to be PM's equivalent of OP's DDL. Is that a valid comparison? Presumably if someone sent me a short multiple-style document in PM's tagged text format I could look at it in !Edit and understand enough to generate something similar myself. Could someone email me a sample file? In particular, how does PM denote things like accented letters (you know the kind of thing - those where Acorn seems to use different codes from the PC world - and for all I know, different from the Mac too)? Is there a Unicode or &xx form or something for such characters? Is it possible in PM's tagged (or whatever) format to mark areas of text to be indexed, cross-referenced etc? Can someone provide a quick sample? Note that once the publisher has been chosen (and I don't have any say in that I'm afraid) I'll talk to them in detail, but I'd like to know roughly what is possible first. It is also possible that the formatting could be done in OP and passed to the publisher as PDF or PS or something (I assume) but the person who is advising me seems heavily anti-Acorn and I doubt I can persuade to my viewpoint easily. Thanks to anyone who can help with this not-very-OP-friendly question. -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 14 13:57:45 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA145579 for opro ; Wed, 14 Feb 101 13:57:41 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 982119481:20:08161:15; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 02:58:01 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2007729; 14 Feb 2001 2:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA10641 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 02:54:07 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA10638 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 02:54:04 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14Ss4y-000H8d-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 02:54:04 +0000 Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 02:16:25 GMT Message-Id: <145568@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Proactive Buttons X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Gosh that was quick. Just one comment... > viewpref1(283464,28246,0,0,lockgrid,lockobj,1); This is going to hardwire all sorts of stuff into the macros, those big numbers for example are the size of the pasteboard. I'd suggest instead using the getsnapstate(); setsnapstate(); functions (page 65 in the script manual). I think these would allow the rest of the code to be condensed a little. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 14 13:57:47 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA145580 for opro ; Wed, 14 Feb 101 13:57:45 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 982132280:10:03040:19; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 06:31:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1002915; 14 Feb 2001 6:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA11454 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 06:29:01 GMT Received: from mailout03.sul.t-online.com (mailout03.sul.t-online.com [194.25.134.81]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA11451 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 06:28:59 GMT Received: from fwd02.sul.t-online.com by mailout03.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 14SvQw-0007Yo-06; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 07:28:58 +0100 Received: from veni (520042741018-0001@[217.87.206.145]) by fmrl02.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 14SvQn-072ffEC; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 07:28:49 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Bellon To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 07:25:04 +0100 Subject: Re: German hyphenation Message-ID: <4a4c8fc53bsbellon@sbellon.de> In-Reply-To: <145546@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <145546@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02d (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain X-Sender: 520042741018-0001@t-dialin.net Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <145546@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > Yes, having a really big exceptions dictionary would work. > although I always get confused about the supposed existence > of rules in German which change the spelling of a word if it > is hyphenated. That sort of thing can't be accomodated without > big changes in the program. These rules are no more. We have a "new spelling" here which kills the previously existing rules: stricken => strik-ken Schiffahrt => Schiff-fahrt the ck => k-k is totally eliminated and the ff => ff-f (is true for all consonants) got removed as you know always write three of them in the first case: stricken => stri-cken Schifffahrt => Schiff-fahrt So it should be easier now. :-) Greetings, Stefan. -- Stefan Bellon * * GnuPG fingerprint: 55DB 48FE BA59 7BA0 2B9D 4822 38C5 EC21 0536 0CB9 All humans are created equal, all computers are not - Acorn Risc PC. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 14 13:57:51 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA145582 for opro ; Wed, 14 Feb 101 13:57:49 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 982138389:20:07171:18; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 08:13:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2113703; 14 Feb 2001 8:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA11762 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 08:09:04 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA11759 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 08:09:02 GMT Received: from userec80.uk.uudial.com (62.188.10.160) [62.188.10.160] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 14Swzl-0001aN-00; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 08:09:01 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: David Breakwell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 08:00:28 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Proactive Buttons Message-ID: <4a4c9880eadavidb@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <145568@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <145568@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <145568@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > getsnapstate(); > setsnapstate(); > functions (page 65 in the script manual). I think these would > allow the rest of the code to be condensed a little. Mmmm - I didn't notice these commands in the manual... string lg_on = "time"; string lg_off = "date"; string lo_on = "time"; string lo_off = "date"; string snapmac_do(int button, int opt) { string ret; int cstate; ret =""; opt = ((opt&0xFF00)>>8); cstate=getsnapstate(); if(button==1) { if(opt==8) { if((cstate&2)==2) ret = lg_on; else ret = lg_off; } if (opt==1) { cstate = cstate ^ 2; } } if(button==2) { if(opt==8) { if((cstate&1)==1) ret = lg_on; else ret = lg_off; } if (opt==1) { cstate = cstate ^ 1; } } setsnapstate(cstate); return ret; } void main() { defmacro2(68,"lockgswtch","{macv=snapmac_do(1,macenv);}",lg_off,"Switch Lock Grid"); defmacro2(68,"lockgswtch2","{macv=snapmac_do(2,macenv);}",lo_off,"Switch Lock Object"); } I supose this would work... by the way the first 4 lines are the sprite names for on and off on each of the buttons. David -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Author IdxPro,Newframe,WordWrks and Labeller | | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | davidb@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 14 21:12:24 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA145612 for opro ; Wed, 14 Feb 101 21:12:18 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 982174178:20:09864:15; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 18:09:38 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2009634; 14 Feb 2001 18:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA13399 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 18:02:53 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA13395 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 18:02:51 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14T6GQ-0007F1-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 18:02:50 +0000 Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 17:52:29 GMT Message-Id: <145603@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: A question about PageMaker (sorry) X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I'd think that David Breakwells recent work on RTF exporting was relevant. Either because you could use RTF, or that the way he does it, would let you generate other tagged formats. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 14 21:12:35 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA145613 for opro ; Wed, 14 Feb 101 21:12:28 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 982174179:20:09680:26; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 18:09:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2009600; 14 Feb 2001 18:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA13397 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 18:02:51 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA13391 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 18:02:49 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14T6GO-0007F1-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 18:02:48 +0000 Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 17:46:34 GMT Message-Id: <145601@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Proactive Buttons X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I supose this would work... by the way the first 4 lines are the sprite >names for on and off on each of the buttons. We should add then, that you 5. Create a new directory in !lockswtch called AResources and inside that you can put a sprite file called Sprites. Inside that you should have sprites for the buttons called lock_oon, lock_ooff, lock_gon, lock_goff. And finally change the names in the script to string lg_on = "lock_gon"; string lg_off = "lock_goff"; string lo_on = "lock_oon"; string lo_off = "lock_ooff"; You can call them what you like, but the main point is to have a unique prefix and so prevent any name space collisions. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 14 21:12:42 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA145615 for opro ; Wed, 14 Feb 101 21:12:40 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 982174186:20:09864:37; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 18:09:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2009703; 14 Feb 2001 18:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA13410 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 18:03:00 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA13407 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 18:02:58 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14T6GX-0007F1-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 18:02:57 +0000 Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 17:54:29 GMT Message-Id: <145607@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Help needed printing Pamphlets please - new point X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Having just thought this through... I suppose that this isn't >in fact all that much bother any way but perhaps an automated >approach exists? No. >A slightly connected point - is there any way of having a >document NOT start on page one. Yes. You can set the start page number for any chapter. Main Menu->Page->Modify Chapter You can also set the start chapter number for any document, from document preferences. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 14 21:12:47 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA145616 for opro ; Wed, 14 Feb 101 21:12:44 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 982174353:20:14667:22; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 18:12:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2124484; 14 Feb 2001 18:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA13405 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 18:02:58 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA12032 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 09:46:18 GMT Received: from useret26.uk.uudial.com (62.188.17.11) [62.188.17.11] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 14SyVq-0003At-00; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 09:46:14 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mr R O Davis To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 09:45:07 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Help needed printing Pamphlets please - new point Message-ID: <4a4ca215b6rod@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <71ad5b4c4a.Gerald@virgin.net> References: <71ad5b4c4a.Gerald@virgin.net> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02c (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I have used Pamphlets on a number of occasions with success- after a little experimentation with the printer - I find that my brain cannot predict which way to put the paper; so I have resorted to experiment and writing out clear instructions to myself for each printer and sticking them to the printer. I have a larger job to do - about 100-200 pages. I shall need to break the book up into a lot of separate 'pamphlets' for binding. Is there any alternative to the manual approach of calculating that the first pamphlet is pp1-20 (say) and the next 21-40 etc and then printing each one with Pamphlets? Having just thought this through... I suppose that this isn't in fact all that much bother any way but perhaps an automated approach exists? A slightly connected point - is there any way of having a document NOT start on page one. I usually have the page number entered on the master page using "insert page number" which looks on screen like #. -- /\ _ \ |==============| / / / \__\ |===================| | Rodger Davis | /_/ / / / \ | rod@argonet.co.uk | |==============| / \_/\_/ /___) |===================| -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 14 21:12:57 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA145618 for opro ; Wed, 14 Feb 101 21:12:53 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 982181040:20:22740:14; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 20:04:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2022641; 14 Feb 2001 20:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA14032 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 19:59:23 GMT Received: from host1.kbnet.co.uk (IDENT:root@host1.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA14029 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 19:59:21 GMT Received: from kbnet.co.uk (host217-32-143-140.hg.mdip.bt.net [217.32.143.140]) by host1.kbnet.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA03926 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 19:54:09 GMT Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 19:59:43 GMT From: Mike Williams To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: A question about PageMaker (sorry) Message-ID: References: <4a4c8d15d7Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a4c8d15d7Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Akalat Publishing User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/3.60) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id TAA14030 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id TAB14032 In message <4a4c8d15d7Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > I've been told that a document that I'm working on will probably be > formatted via PageMaker (dunno which version or platform). The text that > is in preparation has some structural tagging in it (vaguely like SGML) > so I can manipulate it into another tagged format if I want to, > reasonably easily. I've been told that it is easiest just to import > vanilla ASCII text into PM, but I know that PM has various import/export > filters - but not anything more specific than that. >=20 > I've been exploring Adobe's web site which seems to have a lot of glossy- > brochure type PDF files to download but -in my view- surprisingly little > technical information, so can anyone tell me what types of "standard" > files can be imported by PM? According to the PM6.5 manual PM will import Text, Tagged Text, RTF, Word, Word Perfect and other formats. Tagged text means that a paragraph is preceded by a style-name enclosed in angle brackets e.g. Some text The styles need to be predefined in Pagemaker prior to importing the tagged text. A style applies to all following text until a new style tag is encountered. An empty tag implies no style. Text can also be imported with Pagemaker tags. This is much more complex, and much like Ovation Pro=91s DDL format. Contact me direct if you need more info. > Note that once the publisher has been chosen (and I don't have any say in > that I'm afraid) I'll talk to them in detail, but I'd like to know > roughly what is possible first. It is also possible that the formatting > could be done in OP and passed to the publisher as PDF or PS or something > (I assume) but the person who is advising me seems heavily anti- Acorn and > I doubt I can persuade to my viewpoint easily. =20 >=20 It is also perfectly possible to output PostScript files from Ovation Pro which will incorporate all the layout you have put in the document. PostScript files from this source will easily convert to PDF format using Acrobat Distiller running on a PC or a Mac. Mike Williams Akalat Publishing Akalat@kbnet.co.uk 01582 881614 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 14 21:13:02 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA145619 for opro ; Wed, 14 Feb 101 21:12:59 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 982183444:20:19149:27; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 20:44:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2127684; 14 Feb 2001 20:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA14209 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 20:38:50 GMT Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA14206 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 20:38:48 GMT Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 14T8hM-000HXv-0Y for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 20:38:48 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 20:35:34 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: A question about PageMaker (sorry) Message-ID: <4a4cdda2b9Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <145603@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <145603@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.01g (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 14 Feb, David Pilling <opro@pilling.demon.co.uk> wrote: > I'd think that David Breakwells recent work on RTF > exporting was relevant. > Either because you could use RTF, or that the way > he does it, would let you generate other tagged formats. > David Pilling Yes indeed; I got a copy of his code specifically so that I could make rtf output AND possibly (as it's in Basic rather than assembler...) modify the code to generate something slightly different if required. The main problem is findinging out more about the exact nature of the files that pagemaker will import. I assume they will take RTF after it is widely used, but it might be more versatile for me to create their internal format - eg I think it is probably possible to mark indexing or cross-referencing points in PM documents this way. I have roughly 1800 of those already in my own-tagged source text, with more to be added still; I don't really want to sacrifice those, if possible. -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Feb 15 01:14:35 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA145630 for opro ; Thu, 15 Feb 101 01:14:31 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 982190641:20:27302:13; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 22:44:01 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2027264; 14 Feb 2001 22:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA14541 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 22:39:53 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA14538 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 22:39:51 GMT Received: from userez72.uk.uudial.com (62.188.19.143) [62.188.19.143] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 14TAaT-0005qw-00; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 22:39:50 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: David Breakwell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 22:25:44 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: A question about PageMaker (sorry) Message-ID: <4a4ce7b89cdavidb@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a4cdda2b9Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> References: <145603@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4a4cdda2b9Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4a4cdda2b9Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk>, Jeremy C B Nicoll <Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> wrote: > I assume they will take RTF after it > is widely used, but it might be more versatile for me to create their > internal format - eg I think it is probably possible to mark indexing or > cross-referencing points in PM documents this way. I have roughly 1800 > of those already in my own-tagged source text, with more to be added > still; I don't really want to sacrifice those, if possible. Its probably worth noting that DDL does not include any bookmark or tagged data manager data. So if these are the types of tagged information you are refering to then the exising export filters will not work. -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | davidb@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Feb 15 01:14:37 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA145632 for opro ; Thu, 15 Feb 101 01:14:36 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 982190781:20:29986:16; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 22:46:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2104099; 14 Feb 2001 22:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA14546 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 22:39:55 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA14543 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 22:39:53 GMT Received: from userez72.uk.uudial.com (62.188.19.143) [62.188.19.143] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 14TAaW-0005qw-00; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 22:39:53 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: David Breakwell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 22:30:42 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: A question about PageMaker (sorry) Message-ID: <4a4ce82d18davidb@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a4cdda2b9Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> References: <145603@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4a4cdda2b9Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4a4cdda2b9Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk>, Jeremy C B Nicoll <Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> wrote: > > Either because you could use RTF, or that the way > > he does it, would let you generate other tagged formats. > > David Pilling > Yes indeed; I got a copy of his code specifically so that I could make > rtf output AND possibly (as it's in Basic rather than assembler...) The perils of writing code where people can see the source....;-) > modify the code to generate something slightly different if required. The next release should be a little more intelligent about the RTF (or other) output it generates so may be better for this task. If you come up with a spec then I may well be available to do the coding or offer advice. Please bear in mind that I spent quite some time working on the parser design. David -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | davidb@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Feb 15 03:28:38 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA145642 for opro ; Thu, 15 Feb 101 03:28:36 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 982201829:10:16192:14; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 01:50:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1015933; 15 Feb 2001 1:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA15082 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 01:46:43 GMT Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA15079 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 01:46:41 GMT Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 14TDVI-000NaP-0Y for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 01:46:40 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 01:11:07 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: A question about PageMaker (sorry) Message-ID: <4a4cf6dcc9Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a4ce82d18davidb@argonet.co.uk> References: <145603@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4a4cdda2b9Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> <4a4ce82d18davidb@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.01g (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 14 Feb, David Breakwell <davidb@argonet.co.uk> wrote: > In article <4a4cdda2b9Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk>, > Jeremy C B Nicoll <Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> wrote: > > > Either because you could use RTF, or that the way > > > he does it, would let you generate other tagged formats. > > > David Pilling > > Yes indeed; I got a copy of his code specifically so that I could make > > rtf output AND possibly (as it's in Basic rather than assembler...) > The perils of writing code where people can see the source....;-) > > modify the code to generate something slightly different if required. > The next release should be a little more intelligent about the RTF (or > other) output it generates so may be better for this task. If you come > up with a spec then I may well be available to do the coding or offer > advice. > Please bear in mind that I spent quite some time working on the parser > design. I'm sure; you'll recall that one of the things that puzzled/interested me about what you were doing was how you'd managed to find out enough about the internal format of an OP document to be able to parse it at all. You said, I think, that you'd based your code on another pre-provided filter. So far I've only browsed MakeRTF once - to reassure myself that *if* I need to understand it in more detail that I'm going to be able to - and I think that's going to be ok. But it's clear that, so to speak, the internal format you've unscrambled isn't itself very clear... At least, I think not... But then I'm not exactly sure what the data you are looking at looks like - is it the same byte by byte as you'd see if you load an OP doc into Edit, or is it something that is somewhere between that and whatever OP internally represents a doc as? Parsers and language design are the things I really enjoyed at university and I've written several since then - though I found out quite quickly (at work) that telling somebody that I was "writing a parser" was a good way to get them worried about complexity - while saying I'd written code "to syntax check the parameters" worried nobody, because "of course" I'd do that... -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Feb 15 03:28:41 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA145643 for opro ; Thu, 15 Feb 101 03:28:39 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 982201830:10:16226:13; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 01:50:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1119627; 15 Feb 2001 1:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA15088 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 01:46:49 GMT Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA15084 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 01:46:46 GMT Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 14TDVO-000NaP-0Y for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 01:46:46 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 01:22:33 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: A question about PageMaker (sorry) Message-ID: <4a4cf7e906Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a4ce7b89cdavidb@argonet.co.uk> References: <145603@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4a4cdda2b9Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> <4a4ce7b89cdavidb@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.01g (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 14 Feb, David Breakwell <davidb@argonet.co.uk> wrote: > In article <4a4cdda2b9Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk>, > Jeremy C B Nicoll <Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> wrote: > > I assume they will take RTF after it is widely used, but it might be > > more versatile for me to create their internal format - eg I think it > > is probably possible to mark indexing or cross-referencing points in > > PM documents this way. I have roughly 1800 of those already in my > > own-tagged source text, with more to be added still; I don't really > > want to sacrifice those, if possible. > Its probably worth noting that DDL does not include any bookmark or > tagged data manager data. Indeed; I discussed some of this with DP a wee while ago, at the same time as looking at the source code for a bunch of applets. I thought that I should be able to generate DDL (elsewhere) and include in that file various physical markers (as text) and that once OP had loaded the DDL document I could run some applets to scan the document and replace the markers with bookmarks and index/cross-ref as required. It will not surprise you to know that looking at the code of the existing indexing applets was what made me think this might work. But that's only worth doing as a one-time method of taking my entire source text, building some style/layout DDL around it (including such markers) then importing to OP for final glossing of the layout. In this case that is only worth doing if it is *me* who is going to do the final layout of the book in question. It looks however as if external pressure will force me to pass the text, possibly tagged in some way or in RTF, on to a publisher who will use pagemaker. In that case there's no immediate need for me to go through the OP stage - except that I might do that if generating RTF for input to PM is the final option. I think though that it is likely that I'll try to generate PM tags around the text in the first place. As I don't have PM, I might use OP/DDL as a simple testbed/viewer for the structural checks involved. Or not. I'm just not too sure at this moment. > So if these are the types of tagged information you are refering to > then the exising export filters will not work. Indeed not. I wish someone would invent a standard standard format. There was a chance that the whole book would be described in DocBook type SGML but I'm told that that is no use for PM and in any case I don't really want to have to install all SGML/Jade stuff on the Windows box that sits behind me covered in dust if I don't have to. Nor do I have time or sufficient C and Risc OS internals knowledge to port open source SGML/Jade stuff onto this platform. -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Feb 15 13:26:30 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA145645 for opro ; Thu, 15 Feb 101 13:26:28 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 982223175:10:12583:14; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 07:46:15 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1011574; 15 Feb 2001 7:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA16042 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 07:41:34 GMT Received: from mail3.svr.pol.co.uk (mail3.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.19]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA16039 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 07:41:31 GMT Received: from modem-149.vanadium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.22.149] helo=westonontrent.freeserve.co.uk) by mail3.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 14TJ2h-0001FY-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 07:41:31 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Barry T To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 07:23:59 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: strange cursor hang-up Message-ID: <4a4d18fff5Barry@WestonOnTrent.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <c542b34b4a.Tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk> References: <Marcel-1.46-0212133232-0b0oNov@oramj.argonet.co.uk> <c542b34b4a.Tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02d (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <c542b34b4a.Tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk>, Tony van der Hoff <tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk> wrote: > In message > <Marcel-1.46-0212133232-0b0oNov@oramj.argonet.co.uk> you wrote: > > Hi > > > > Thanks to those of you who came up with helpful suggestions > > as to why the text cursor suddenly hung-up after pressing > > <Return> following certain full-stops. (generating the > > "script stopped" error notice). > > > > I eventually tracked it down to the presence of the "!Line" > > applet from Levens Software as Jonathan Somnier had > > suggested (special Ta! to him). > > > > It has confirmed one other thing for me - that it is worth > > wading through the large number of e-mails that the !OPro > > helpline sends, when you get such speedy and helpful > > responses. > > > It also emphasises the point that (IME) anything by Levens > Software needs to be treated with a fair amount of caution. Thinking aloud, has anything been resolved about the !TransHTML and !HTMLPro programs? Grr! -- Cheerio Barry -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Feb 15 13:26:41 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA145650 for opro ; Thu, 15 Feb 101 13:26:37 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 982223355:20:20816:17; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 07:49:15 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2120062; 15 Feb 2001 7:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA16098 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 07:47:14 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA16095 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 07:47:13 GMT Received: from userfs74.uk.uudial.com (62.188.26.248) [62.188.26.248] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 14TJ8B-0004KN-00; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 07:47:12 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: David Breakwell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 07:41:21 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: A question about PageMaker (sorry) Message-ID: <4a4d1a96f2davidb@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a4cf6dcc9Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> References: <145603@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4a4cdda2b9Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> <4a4ce82d18davidb@argonet.co.uk> <4a4cf6dcc9Jeremy User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4a4cf6dcc9Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk>, Jeremy C B Nicoll <Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> wrote: > I'm sure; you'll recall that one of the things that puzzled/interested me > about what you were doing was how you'd managed to find out enough about > the internal format of an OP document to be able to parse it at all. You > said, I think, that you'd based your code on another pre-provided filter. (Un)fortunately not - !MakeRTF is all my own code - perhaps thats why it took me three attempts to get it to the state it is now. > So far I've only browsed MakeRTF once - to reassure myself that *if* I > need to understand it in more detail that I'm going to be able to - and I > think that's going to be ok. But it's clear that, so to speak, the > internal format you've unscrambled isn't itself very clear... At least, > I think not... But then I'm not exactly sure what the data you are > looking at looks like - is it the same byte by byte as you'd see if you > load an OP doc into Edit, or is it something that is somewhere between > that and whatever OP internally represents a doc as? !MakeRTF processes DDL as the OP export filters system exports DDL files. Whilst DDL is not documented it is reasonably self documenting and looking at its structure gives you some clues as to how OP handles it. David -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | davidb@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Feb 15 13:26:47 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA145652 for opro ; Thu, 15 Feb 101 13:26:43 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 982230436:20:25916:17; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 09:47:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2100655; 15 Feb 2001 9:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA16473 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 09:43:51 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA16470 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 09:43:49 GMT Received: from userfx19.uk.uudial.com (62.188.28.180) [62.188.28.180] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 14TKx1-00065g-00; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 09:43:48 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Mijas Software) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 00:36:25 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.24 for RISC OS 4.02 Subject: Re: Help needed printing Pamphlets please - new point Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <E14TKx1-00065g-00@golden.argonet.co.uk> Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I print pamphlets regularly using OPro in Pamphlet mode and a postscript driver to a printer with duplex capability (HP8100+Duplex). This works fine with either A4 or A3 paper to produced A5 and A4 pamphlets. If there is enough memory in this printer you can also print multiple copies fully collated from a single copy download. It is also easily possible to use a different paper/card for the cover and include this in the collated copy. Doing this requires a little knowledge of HP's PJL (job control) language and a few simple obey files. The HP printer only needs extra RAM memory to handle such multiple collated copyjobs. Some other makes require a hard disk in the printer. However most of my jobs contain only limited graphics which does reduce the memory requirements. It is of course possible to fit a hard disk to the HP printer. I had better do a pamphlet about it! John N.B. Am currently tacking an equivalent job to the one described by Rod. 9 `chapters' of 16 A4 pages - stitched and bound - Fun! N.N.B Similar comments apply to an HP colour laserprinter BUT the memory requirements might force the use of a Hard disk in the printer depending on how much use is made of colour graphics. -- ___ _ __ ___________________________________________ |\/| | | |_| (_ / Scientific/Education/Utilities - RISC OS 4 | | | _| | | __) Software / email: mijassw@argonet.co.uk - Developer ____________________________/ web: http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/mijassw/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Feb 15 13:27:19 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA145655 for opro ; Thu, 15 Feb 101 13:27:13 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 982240571:20:11366:25; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 12:36:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2120445; 15 Feb 2001 12:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA22416 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 12:25:39 GMT Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA22413 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 12:25:37 GMT Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 14TNTb-0009iI-0X for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 12:25:36 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 11:26:56 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: A question about PageMaker (sorry) Message-ID: <4a4d2f3e3eJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a4d1a96f2davidb@argonet.co.uk> References: <145603@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4a4cdda2b9Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> <4a4ce82d18davidb@argonet.co.uk> <4a4cf6dcc9Jeremy User-Agent: Pluto/2.01g (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On 15 Feb, David Breakwell <davidb@argonet.co.uk> wrote: > (Un)fortunately not - !MakeRTF is all my own code - perhaps thats why it > took me three attempts to get it to the state it is now. Whoops! I wrote what I wrote based on a memory of what I thought you'd said to one of my earlier questions, ie: > It is a BASIC program that acts as a TransSaver - just like the existing > transloaders. .... !MakeRTF processes DDL as the OP export filters > system exports DDL files. - and from that I assumed that you'd taken apart an existing transloader/ transsaver program to see what the inerface was and how to get control and then written your own code. I didn't mean to imply that the 'own code' section hadn't been all your own work. It was the interception method that I was really curious about. If I'd written something similar I'd probably just have written something standalone that required the user to save-as-DDL then read that file, and converted it to something else, rather than providing an integrated solution as you have. I didn't know that the integrated option was possible, nor whether it got handed an entire file or just structures and sub-structures of the outgoing data. -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Feb 15 13:27:36 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA145658 for opro ; Thu, 15 Feb 101 13:27:34 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 982241797:10:11175:24; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 12:56:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1116616; 15 Feb 2001 12:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA22570 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 12:51:54 GMT Received: from smtpgate2.poptel.org.uk (skua.poptel.org.uk [213.55.14.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA22567 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 12:51:51 GMT Received: from localhost (06-233.dip.poptel.org.uk [213.55.6.233]) by smtpgate2.poptel.org.uk (8.9.3/8.9.0/DA98072301) with SMTP id MAA06892 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 12:44:28 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steve White To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 12:19:07 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Extra buttons with !ButtonBar Message-ID: <4a4d340563steve@cobbles-end.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <443b3f4c4a.martinv@kaskaskia.ucs.de> References: <143389@pilling.demon.co.uk> <443b3f4c4a.martinv@kaskaskia.ucs.de> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02d (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hello there OvPro's ability to add and customise its buttonbar is great, of course. I can end up with too many buttons though (somewhat like some MS apps that take over most of the working screen!). I use David Llewellyn-Jones' !ButtonBar application to give me access to some useful directories on my HD (eg. the Docs), type some often-used bits in (eg.phone no.), and load some apps (eg.HTMLPro, ImpLoader, etc.) I've just got one button on OvPro's buttonbar which can then show my extra bar (and only when OvPro has the input focus), which I can close too if I want to get it out of the way. This is really useful (in my opinion, of course) so I thought I'd share it with you all - and ask for help at the same time!! David's !ButtonBar app is at http://www.mat.bham.ac.uk/llewelld which includes my OP bar and button/script for OvPro. Now .. what I am having difficulty with is extending my !buttonbar to launch some key macros in OvPro. Having defined one, and assigned a hot-key, although I canuse the keyboard to launch it I cannot operate it via !ButtonBar. In fact, I can't seem to access any of OvPro's shortcut keys via !ButtonBar (apart from ctrl-P I think?!!). Can anyone help me with this? It would be quite good to have a smaller permanent buttonbar, but with access to all the features with a customisable add-on. David has given me permission to ask for help on this list. I'd be grateful for help and comments! Many thanks Cheers Steve -- ..------------------------------------. |C o b b l e s E n d West Yorkshire|"To Wonder is to Begin to Understand" '------------------------------------' steve@cobbles-end.co.uk RiscOS powered -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Feb 15 13:27:40 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA145659 for opro ; Thu, 15 Feb 101 13:27:38 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 982243539:10:01102:14; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 13:25:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1000657; 15 Feb 2001 13:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA22722 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 13:20:57 GMT Received: from smtpgate2.poptel.org.uk (skua.poptel.org.uk [213.55.14.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA22719 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 13:20:55 GMT Received: from localhost (06-233.dip.poptel.org.uk [213.55.6.233]) by smtpgate2.poptel.org.uk (8.9.3/8.9.0/DA98072301) with SMTP id NAA08830 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 13:13:35 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steve White To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 13:20:13 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Extra buttons with !ButtonBar (right thread this time?!) Message-ID: <4a4d399d5csteve@cobbles-end.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02d (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Sorry about the re-post as this was sent to the wrong thread :( Hello there OvPro's ability to add and customise its buttonbar is great, of course. I can end up with too many buttons though (somewhat like some MS apps that take over most of the working screen!). I use David Llewellyn-Jones' !ButtonBar application to give me access to some useful directories on my HD (eg. the Docs), type some often-used bits in (eg.phone no.), and load some apps (eg.HTMLPro, ImpLoader, etc.) I've just got one button on OvPro's buttonbar which can then show my extra bar (and only when OvPro has the input focus), which I can close too if I want to get it out of the way. This is really useful (in my opinion, of course) so I thought I'd share it with you all - and ask for help at the same time!! David's !ButtonBar app is at http://www.mat.bham.ac.uk/llewelld which includes my OP bar and button/script for OvPro. Now .. what I am having difficulty with is extending my !buttonbar to launch some key macros in OvPro. Having defined one, and assigned a hot-key, although I canuse the keyboard to launch it I cannot operate it via !ButtonBar. In fact, I can't seem to access any of OvPro's shortcut keys via !ButtonBar (apart from ctrl-P I think?!!). Can anyone help me with this? It would be quite good to have a smaller permanent buttonbar, but with access to all the features with a customisable add-on. David has given me permission to ask for help on this list. I'd be grateful for help and comments! Many thanks Cheers Steve -- ..------------------------------------. |C o b b l e s E n d West Yorkshire|"To Wonder is to Begin to Understand" '------------------------------------' steve@cobbles-end.co.uk RiscOS powered -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Feb 15 17:38:33 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA145669 for opro ; Thu, 15 Feb 101 17:38:31 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 982248839:20:03917:15; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 14:53:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2002960; 15 Feb 2001 14:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA23023 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 14:49:17 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA23020 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 14:49:15 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14TPid-000KRv-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 14:49:15 +0000 Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 13:44:47 GMT Message-Id: <145660@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: A question about PageMaker (sorry) X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R The method of adding 'savers' (how the new RTF exporter works) came in with 2.62 and is documented in the release notes with that version. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Feb 15 17:38:33 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA145668 for opro ; Thu, 15 Feb 101 17:38:31 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 982251248:10:24320:39; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 15:34:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1024026; 15 Feb 2001 15:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA23213 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 15:27:51 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA23210 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 15:27:49 GMT Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 14TQJu-000BFD-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 15:27:48 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 15:19:48 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: A question about PageMaker (sorry) Message-ID: <4a4d448fe8Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <145660@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <145660@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.01g (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On 15 Feb, David Pilling <opro@pilling.demon.co.uk> wrote: > The method of adding 'savers' (how the new RTF exporter works) came in > with 2.62 and is documented in the release notes with that version. Ah! -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Feb 15 18:59:42 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA145687 for opro ; Thu, 15 Feb 101 18:59:37 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 982260498:10:25655:13; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 18:08:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1124847; 15 Feb 2001 18:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA23726 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 18:04:02 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA23723 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 18:04:00 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14TSl5-000O9S-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 18:03:59 +0000 Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 17:55:55 GMT Message-Id: <145678@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Proactive Buttons X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Also the sprites have to be in the Buttons22 file inside !OvnResDir Oh good grief. I got that wrong. They shouldn't be where you say though. I said put a 'Sprites' file inside the applet. In fact that should be a Buttons22 file inside the applets AResources directory. >IT NOW WORKS FINE. So please visit my website and tell me which >print you would like both Davids that is ! Not me, Mr. B did the hard work. Would you like to put the complete fixed applet on the OPro support site? David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Feb 15 18:59:53 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA145689 for opro ; Thu, 15 Feb 101 18:59:51 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 982260502:10:26000:14; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 18:08:22 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1025861; 15 Feb 2001 18:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA23721 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 18:03:59 GMT Received: from mail2.b7.co.uk ([212.134.223.30]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA23445 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 16:22:51 GMT Received: from wild0308.bsdial.net (pool-670.businessserve.com [212.135.134.157]) by mail2.b7.co.uk (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id f1FGR3o24585 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 16:27:03 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Colin Woolf To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 16:20:11 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Proactive Buttons Message-ID: <4a4d4a1760colinwoolf@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > Of course, I may be being thick or missing something, that is why >I didn't write the script in the first place. > It also looks like I shall be giving away two prints this way > round. > <WHEN> it works that is....... Hi To both David B and David P - and to those who may also be tempted to try this. There is a mistake in the script, go to where it says 'button 2' and you will see that the code has copied the code and the sprite names havr not been changed to the second button names. Also the sprites have to be in the Buttons22 file inside !OvnResDir IT NOW WORKS FINE. So please visit my website and tell me which print you would like both Davids that is ! Cheers Colin -- Colin Woolf Watercolour Artist - Fine Art Paintings Graphic Design & Illustration colinwoolf@argonet.co.uk _ please visit the Web Site www.wildart.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Feb 15 18:59:54 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA145690 for opro ; Thu, 15 Feb 101 18:59:52 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 982261626:20:12885:16; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 18:27:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2124799; 15 Feb 2001 18:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA24017 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 18:22:42 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA24014 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 18:22:40 GMT Received: from usereo89.uk.uudial.com (62.188.15.87) [62.188.15.87] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 14TT38-000194-00; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 18:22:39 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "charles.hope" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 11:47:58 +0000 (GMT) Subject: saving part of a document Message-ID: <4a4d312b4acharles.hope@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Is there any way that I can split a document which has got rather too large for comfort? It would be very nice to be able to save it in "booklet" form so that, for instance pp 1 & 24 went together, pp 2 & 23, etc. That way I could send it to the film maker as it was going to end up. Any such saving would have to allow for text which runs through linked columns. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Feb 15 19:00:00 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA145691 for opro ; Thu, 15 Feb 101 18:59:55 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 982260536:10:27316:18; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 18:08:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1125698; 15 Feb 2001 18:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA23716 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 18:03:55 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA23713 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 18:03:53 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14TSkx-000O9S-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 18:03:51 +0000 Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 17:48:32 GMT Message-Id: <145674@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Extra buttons with !ButtonBar (right thread this time?!) X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Now .. what I am having difficulty with is extending my !buttonbar to launch >some key macros in OvPro. Having defined one, and assigned a hot-key, >although I canuse the keyboard to launch it I cannot operate it via >!ButtonBar. I guess one point is that OPro does not use the usual key press codes. Whenever it has the caret it installs a module which gives lots of extra key codes. So what allows you to fake Control+J in one program won't work in OPro. You can still fake key presses but with different codes - search for fx138 or fx(138 in the maillist archives. Plan B is to get your button to execute an OPro script file which in turn executes the key macro. The script would look something like void main(void) { macro("C_J"); } David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Feb 15 19:00:01 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA145692 for opro ; Thu, 15 Feb 101 18:59:56 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 982263279:20:24605:18; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 18:54:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2110672; 15 Feb 2001 18:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA24313 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 18:50:35 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA24310 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 18:50:32 GMT Received: from userec57.uk.uudial.com (62.188.10.137) [62.188.10.137] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 14TTU6-0001p1-00; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 18:50:30 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: David Breakwell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 18:43:20 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: saving part of a document Message-ID: <4a4d573224davidb@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a4d312b4acharles.hope@argonet.co.uk> References: <4a4d312b4acharles.hope@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4a4d312b4acharles.hope@argonet.co.uk>, charles.hope <charles.hope@argonet.co.uk> wrote: > Is there any way that I can split a document which has got rather too > large for comfort? > It would be very nice to be able to save it in "booklet" form so that, > for instance pp 1 & 24 went together, pp 2 & 23, etc. That way I could > send it to the film maker as it was going to end up. > Any such saving would have to allow for text which runs through linked > columns. You could make each of the sections a chapter and use copy and paste. -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | davidb@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Feb 15 19:00:05 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA145694 for opro ; Thu, 15 Feb 101 19:00:04 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 982261635:10:03458:13; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 18:27:15 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1003382; 15 Feb 2001 18:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA24022 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 18:22:48 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA24019 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 18:22:46 GMT Received: from usereo89.uk.uudial.com (62.188.15.87) [62.188.15.87] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 14TT3C-000194-00; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 18:22:43 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "charles.hope" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 11:51:02 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: save story as RTF Message-ID: <4a4d3172f9charles.hope@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a4a5527b2davidb@argonet.co.uk> References: <4a4a5527b2davidb@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 09 Feb, David Breakwell <davidb@argonet.co.uk> wrote: > PS: Some users requests for MakeRTF have been bounced - you are still on > the distribution list and I will attempt to mail you the update. I haven't requested a copy yet, but I'm doing so now. It seems a very useful tool. Thanks -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Feb 15 19:00:12 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA145696 for opro ; Thu, 15 Feb 101 19:00:10 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 982263227:10:17732:13; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 18:53:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1017654; 15 Feb 2001 18:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA24308 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 18:50:32 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA24305 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 18:50:30 GMT Received: from userec57.uk.uudial.com (62.188.10.137) [62.188.10.137] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 14TTU3-0001p1-00; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 18:50:27 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: David Breakwell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 18:40:49 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Extra buttons with !ButtonBar Message-ID: <4a4d56f758davidb@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a4d340563steve@cobbles-end.co.uk> References: <143389@pilling.demon.co.uk> <443b3f4c4a.martinv@kaskaskia.ucs.de> <4a4d340563steve@cobbles-end.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4a4d340563steve@cobbles-end.co.uk>, Steve White <steve@cobbles-end.co.uk> wrote: > In fact, I can't seem to access any of OvPro's shortcut keys via > !ButtonBar (apart from ctrl-P I think?!!). Take a look at the manual at Key Expansions - these can typed into the Macros window - so {F1} in a macro would be the same as pressing F1 {'F1} would be the OP default action for F1 and {C_V} would be CTRL V > Can anyone help me with this? It would be quite good to have a smaller > permanent buttonbar, but with access to all the features with a > customisable add-on. -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | davidb@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Feb 15 22:35:56 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA145704 for opro ; Thu, 15 Feb 101 22:35:43 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 982268076:10:07329:13; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 20:14:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1119027; 15 Feb 2001 20:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA24670 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 20:09:08 GMT Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-11.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.21]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA24667 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 20:09:06 GMT Received: from [212.238.81.99] (helo=neptune.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.14 #4) id 14TUi6-000FUd-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 20:09:02 +0000 Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 20:13:23 +0100 (GMT) From: Nico ter Haar Subject: Re: saving part of a document To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <4a4d312b4acharles.hope@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: <Marcel-1.53-0215191323-0b0Xuqh@neptune.demon.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Neptune, the Netherlands. X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In <URL:news:local.ovationpro> on Thu 15 Feb, charles.hope wrote: > Is there any way that I can split a document which has got rather too > large for comfort? > > It would be very nice to be able to save it in "booklet" form so that, for > instance pp 1 & 24 went together, pp 2 & 23, etc. That way I could send > it to the film maker as it was going to end up. > > Any such saving would have to allow for text which runs through linked > columns. > > Print it through Taborca will give you this saved as a pdf-file, probably not what you wanted though. -- Nico ter Haar, StrongARM 202MHz / RISC OS 4 at home! Hoe stel ik mijn netwerk in --> riscos pagina's op de website mailto:nico@neptune.demon.nl http://www.neptune.demon.nl/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Feb 15 22:37:07 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA145709 for opro ; Thu, 15 Feb 101 22:36:56 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 982270568:20:10059:13; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 20:56:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2009988; 15 Feb 2001 20:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA24843 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 20:52:17 GMT Received: from murphys-outbound.servers.plus.net ([212.159.14.225]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA24840 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 20:52:15 GMT Received: (qmail 16586 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2001 20:51:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (212.159.21.82) by murphys with SMTP; 15 Feb 2001 20:51:42 -0000 Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 23:04:47 +0000 (GMT) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: A question about PageMaker (sorry) To: Ovation Pro List <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a4c8d15d7Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <Marcel-1.53-0214230447-0b0ZSTv@tinshill.force9.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In <URL:news:local.opro> on Wed 14 Feb, Jeremy C B Nicoll wrote: > I've been told that a document that I'm working on will probably be > formatted via PageMaker (dunno which version or platform). The text that > is in preparation has some structural tagging in it (vaguely like SGML) > so I can manipulate it into another tagged format if I want to, > reasonably easily. I've been told that it is easiest just to import > vanilla ASCII text into PM, but I know that PM has various import/export > filters - but not anything more specific than that. > I always prefer plain ascii whatever program I am using for typesetting/layout (DTP in modern parlance). Sounds as though you are expected to produce content and leave the final layout to someone else. > I've seen something described as "tagged text" which appears to be PM's > equivalent of OP's DDL. Is that a valid comparison? > I don't remember the details, but yes there are tags you can use to prepare text for PM, but PM does not have the capability to export a sample of that format. Not quite an equivalent of DDL. Probably nearer to RTF - I think you can mark for style and possibly effects. More so you can define the structure of headings, sub-headings etc but leave the design and final layout to the typesetter. > Presumably if someone sent me a short multiple-style document in PM's > tagged text format I could look at it in !Edit and understand enough to > generate something similar myself. Could someone email me a sample file? > Do let me know I'm wrong (my experience is PM5 about 4 years ago and even then it was old - 6.0 and 6.5 were out) but PM didn't really have an export concept. > In particular, how does PM denote things like accented letters (you know > the kind of thing - those where Acorn seems to use different codes from > the PC world - and for all I know, different from the Mac too)? Is > there a Unicode or &xx form or something for such characters? > Accented characters will just need the character at the equivalent position in the character set for the platform concerned. > Is it possible in PM's tagged (or whatever) format to mark areas of text > to be indexed, cross-referenced etc? Can someone provide a quick sample? > That should be possible. > Note that once the publisher has been chosen (and I don't have any say in > that I'm afraid) I'll talk to them in detail, but I'd like to know > roughly what is possible first. It is also possible that the formatting > could be done in OP and passed to the publisher as PDF or PS or something > (I assume) but the person who is advising me seems heavily anti-Acorn and > I doubt I can persuade to my viewpoint easily. > Now I wonder do you mean publisher or printer? A publisher is likely to want to control design and layout as I suggested above (though they should be able to give you the spec to work to). A printer is quite likely to be happy with PS or PDF provided he has the ability to get it to his image-setter and obtain bromides or film. > Thanks to anyone who can help with this not-very-OP-friendly question. > I still miss PMs lack of rigid master frames - a totally different concept from OPro, Quark, and Impression and Ventura before them. But I'd better not get onto that here. Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Feb 15 22:37:14 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA145711 for opro ; Thu, 15 Feb 101 22:37:13 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 982272520:20:22309:13; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 21:28:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2022275; 15 Feb 2001 21:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA24966 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 21:24:26 GMT Received: from mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (mta03-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.43]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA24962 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 21:24:24 GMT Received: from mcqueen ([62.252.170.146]) by mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with SMTP id <20010215212424.VGAE10171.mta03-svc.ntlworld.com@mcqueen> for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 21:24:24 +0000 Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 21:25:03 +0100 From: Colin McQueen To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Black Clipboard Message-ID: <7382604d4a.cmcqueen@cmcqueen.ntlworld.com> X-Organization: The McQueen Family User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.07b (MsgServe/1.07d) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On some of our computers the Clipboard viewer shows a black rectangle, though the clipboard still works. Any idea why and how to get correct this? -- Colin McQueen : Using an Acorn StrongARM Risc PC Web Domain : http://www.mcqueen.uk.net/ BSc Zoology + Oceanography : PGCE : MSc in CBL/T -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Feb 16 02:15:31 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA145722 for opro ; Fri, 16 Feb 101 02:15:28 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 982278409:10:24781:15; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 23:06:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1102013; 15 Feb 2001 23:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA25307 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 23:03:02 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA25304 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 23:03:00 GMT Received: from userfl24.uk.uudial.com (62.188.24.13) [62.188.24.13] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 14TXQN-0001Az-00; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 23:02:58 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Rob Hemmings To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 22:57:54 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Black Clipboard Message-ID: <4a4d6e80b1robh@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <7382604d4a.cmcqueen@cmcqueen.ntlworld.com> References: <7382604d4a.cmcqueen@cmcqueen.ntlworld.com> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02d (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <7382604d4a.cmcqueen@cmcqueen.ntlworld.com>, Colin McQueen <cmcqueen@mcqueen.uk.net> wrote: > On some of our computers the Clipboard viewer shows a black rectangle, > though the clipboard still works. Any idea why and how to get correct > this? I had what sounds like the same problem in 2.60 but David has fixed it in OPro 2.62 (possibly even in 2.61 but I've forgotten). -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Hemmings Southport Tel: +44 (0)1704 573210 robh@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Feb 16 02:15:34 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA145721 for opro ; Fri, 16 Feb 101 02:15:28 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 982280362:20:07453:13; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 23:39:22 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2123428; 15 Feb 2001 23:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA25466 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 23:35:48 GMT Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA25460 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 23:35:44 GMT Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 14TXw7-000Ehu-0Y for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 23:35:44 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 22:19:35 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: A question about PageMaker (sorry) Message-ID: <4a4d6afe88Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <Marcel-1.53-0214230447-0b0ZSTv@tinshill.force9.net> References: <4a4c8d15d7Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> <Marcel-1.53-0214230447-0b0ZSTv@tinshill.force9.net> User-Agent: Pluto/2.01g (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id XAA25461 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id XAB25466 On 14 Feb, Anthony Hilton <ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk> wrote: > In <URL:news:local.opro> on Wed 14 Feb, Jeremy C B Nicoll wrote: > > I've been told that a document that I'm working on will probably be > > formatted via PageMaker (dunno which version or platform). The text > > that is in preparation has some structural tagging in it (vaguely > > like SGML) so I can manipulate it into another tagged format if I > > want to, reasonably easily. I've been told that it is easiest just > > to import vanilla ASCII text into PM, but I know that PM has various > > import/export filters - but not anything more specific than that. > >=20 > I always prefer plain ascii whatever program I am using for > typesetting/layout (DTP in modern parlance). Sounds as though you are > expected to produce content and leave the final layout to someone else. The person who has now suggested plain ascii is the same person who previously spent a lot of effort trying to persuade me to adopt SGML / DocBook etc.. The tagging that is already in the source text is in no standard form (ie I need to rationalise it) but is intended if for no other reason to allow me to defer decisions on "House style" issues like treatment of foreign phrases, people's initials, book titles etc. In other words whether we end up with=20 "J C B Nicoll" "JCB Nicoll" "J.C.B. Nicoll" "J.C.B.Nicoll" etc There's also approximately 1800 points that we've already marked as requiring indexed, along with the intended index texts (ie we differentiate between the text in the index, perhaps describing a concept, and the text in the document itself). There's also some quite extensive cross-referencing. What I'm hoping to do is to pass the text and structural info to whoever does the layout. =20 > > I've seen something described as "tagged text" which appears to be > > PM's equivalent of OP's DDL. Is that a valid comparison? > >=20 > I don't remember the details, but yes there are tags you can use to > prepare text for PM, but PM does not have the capability to export a > sample of that format. Not quite an equivalent of DDL. Probably nearer > to RTF - I think you can mark for style and possibly effects. More so > you can define the structure of headings, sub-headings etc but leave > the design and final layout to the typesetter. ...which is roughly what I'm trying to do... > Do let me know I'm wrong (my experience is PM5 about 4 years ago and > even then it was old - 6.0 and 6.5 were out) but PM didn't really have > an export concept. I'll try to do that once I find out... > > In particular, how does PM denote things like accented letters (you > > know the kind of thing - those where Acorn seems to use different > > codes from the PC world - and for all I know, different from the Mac > > too)? Is there a Unicode or &xx form or something for such > > characters? > Accented characters will just need the character at the equivalent > position in the character set for the platform concerned. That's a pity, because - as we've all seen in badly written HTML, top-bit set characters aren't standard enough. I'm likely to leave things in some more symbolic form so that at least it's possible to see that for example "caf=E9" was intended even if we write it as caf[eacute] or whatever.=20 > That should be possible. > =20 > > Note that once the publisher has been chosen (and I don't have any > > say in that I'm afraid) I'll talk to them in detail, but I'd like to > > know roughly what is possible first. It is also possible that the > > formatting could be done in OP and passed to the publisher as PDF or > > PS or something (I assume) but the person who is advising me seems > > heavily anti-Acorn and I doubt I can persuade to my viewpoint easily. > Now I wonder do you mean publisher or printer?=20 I mean publisher - or at any rate the people who will take my machine readable text in whatever form we use, stuff it into their PageMaker (or whatever) and generate whatever is required for whatever printer they are choosing to use on our behalf. If on the other hand plans change and I get to use OP as the formatting engine then I would much rather just produce PS (or PDF if needed) as I can check layout on my PS printer and then we'll only have the potential problem of incompatibilities between Acorn PS and whatever the printer needs. But it seems unlikely that it will be done this way at the moment as the society publishing the book think they want it done (by the same guy who did another of their books) and in much the same style. =20 The impression I get, even from Adobe's web site, is that PageMaker is not really meant for this sort of job - it might have been simpler if the guy was using FrameMaker instead. --=20 Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Feb 16 23:23:40 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA145814 for opro ; Fri, 16 Feb 101 23:23:21 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 982357681:20:13414:14; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 21:08:01 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2121953; 16 Feb 2001 21:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA28743 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 20:59:39 GMT Received: from murphys-outbound.servers.plus.net ([212.159.14.225]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA28740 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 20:59:37 GMT Received: (qmail 22480 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2001 20:59:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (212.159.22.163) by murphys with SMTP; 16 Feb 2001 20:59:04 -0000 Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 20:37:05 +0000 (GMT) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: A question about PageMaker (sorry) To: Ovation Pro List <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a4d6afe88Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <Marcel-1.53-0216203705-0b0ZSTv@tinshill.force9.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In <URL:news:local.opro> on Thu 15 Feb, Jeremy C B Nicoll wrote: > I mean publisher - or at any rate the people who will take my machine > readable text in whatever form we use, stuff it into their PageMaker (or > whatever) and generate whatever is required for whatever printer they are > choosing to use on our behalf. > My understanding of the terms is the Publisher is the one who pays the bills and sorts out the distribution and generally takes responsibility for the document. The Printer puts the ink onto the paper x00 times. The printer may handle te pre-press in-house or a typesetting bureau may be used, and the printer may do the finishing (collating, folding, trimming, binding) in-house or farm it out to a specialist finishing house. With the old (pre-DTP) system the terms were perhaps in more common usage. > If on the other hand plans change and I get to use OP as the formatting > engine then I would much rather just produce PS (or PDF if needed) as I > can check layout on my PS printer and then we'll only have the potential > problem of incompatibilities between Acorn PS and whatever the printer > needs. But it seems unlikely that it will be done this way at the moment > as the society publishing the book think they want it done (by the same > guy who did another of their books) and in much the same style. > If you get the style definitions you should be able to make your publication look part of the same family regardless of the platform or software concerned. The style will start with page size and margins, include fonts and sizes and house style decisions such as your example. So long as your PS includes the fonts and encoding information you shouldn't get any surprises. I once had a document with some Helvetica for formulae which included the multiplication sign. The bureau who output the film had Swiss not Helvetica on their imagesetter, Swiss didn't have the multiplication sign so we got little open rectangles instead. I had to change them all to lower case x and re-do those films. Pity it was one of the finishers collating the printed pages who noticed! > The impression I get, even from Adobe's web site, is that PageMaker is > not really meant for this sort of job - it might have been simpler if the > guy was using FrameMaker instead. > FrameMaker is certainly more aimed at documents with formal or complex structure, which sounds like the one you're working on. Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Feb 17 01:41:36 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA145824 for opro ; Sat, 17 Feb 101 01:41:32 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 982366694:10:22890:16; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 23:38:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1022718; 16 Feb 2001 23:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA29164 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 23:33:20 GMT Received: from mail3.svr.pol.co.uk (mail3.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.19]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA29161 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 23:33:18 GMT Received: from modem-83.polonium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.61.211] helo=kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk) by mail3.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 14TuCE-0006k1-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 23:21:51 +0000 Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 09:42:09 +0000 (GMT) From: John Percy Kerslake Subject: Overwritind standard documents To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <4a4d6afe88Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <Marcel-1.53-0216094209-b49=C7N@kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I have several standard documents. These include blank letters. I keep overwriting them by accident. In tecwriter there is a seperate file type stationery. This prevent me form overwriting a stationary doc by saving it as a standard doc. It also enables the setting up of a active date that changes to a fixed date when the document is saved normally. Would this be possible in a future upgrade? -- J.P.Kerslake B.Sc., F.B.I.S. e-mail address:- Work = kerslake@sees.bangor.ac.uk Home = johnpercy@kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk Dyslexia Rules KO. RiscStation A.N.T.-I.S. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Feb 17 01:42:16 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA145825 for opro ; Sat, 17 Feb 101 01:41:32 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 982370552:20:06618:13; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 00:42:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2006554; 17 Feb 2001 0:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA29437 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 00:28:51 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA29434 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 00:28:49 GMT Received: from userax48.uk.uudial.com (62.188.139.39) [62.188.139.39] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 14TvF2-0004AD-00; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 00:28:48 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Mijas Software) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 00:26:08 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.24 for RISC OS 4.02 Subject: Re: Overwritind standard documents Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <E14TvF2-0004AD-00@golden.argonet.co.uk> Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 16 Feb 2001 (09:42:09 +0000), johnpercy@kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk wrote: > I have several standard documents. These include blank letters. I keep > overwriting them by accident. Have you tried locking these documents by setting the access to protected? -- ___ _ __ ___________________________________________ |\/| | | |_| (_ / Scientific/Education/Utilities - RISC OS 4 | | | _| | | __) Software / email: mijassw@argonet.co.uk - Developer ____________________________/ web: http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/mijassw/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Feb 17 01:42:49 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA145826 for opro ; Sat, 17 Feb 101 01:42:28 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 982368777:10:11845:15; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 00:12:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1104807; 17 Feb 2001 0:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA29319 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 00:07:36 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA29316 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 00:07:33 GMT Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14TuuT-0007j0-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 00:07:34 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 00:01:43 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Overwritind standard documents Message-ID: <4a4df82e94Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <Marcel-1.53-0216094209-b49=C7N@kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk> References: <4a4d6afe88Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> <Marcel-1.53-0216094209-b49=C7N@kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.01g (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 16 Feb, John Percy Kerslake <johnpercy@kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk> wrote: > I have several standard documents. These include blank letters. I keep > overwriting them by accident. In tecwriter there is a seperate file type > stationery. This prevent me form overwriting a stationary doc by saving > it as a standard doc. It also enables the setting up of a active date > that changes to a fixed date when the document is saved normally. Would > this be possible in a future upgrade? Why not just a) keep them in a separate directory, and b) set them read only? -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Feb 17 14:06:41 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA145844 for opro ; Sat, 17 Feb 101 14:06:39 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 982378709:10:13506:13; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 02:58:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1113716; 17 Feb 2001 2:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA29910 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 02:56:29 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA29907 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 02:56:27 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14TxXv-000BCN-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 02:56:27 +0000 Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 01:45:01 GMT Message-Id: <145827@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Overwritind standard documents X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I have several standard documents. These include blank letters. I keep >overwriting them by accident. In tecwriter there is a seperate file type >stationery. Isn't this what is called a 'style sheet' file in Ovation Pro? Just save from the file menu. Alternatively you could save as DDL or use the stationery applet. I have the overwrite applet installed to stop me clobbering one copy of a document with an edited version. >it as a standard doc. It also enables the setting up of a active date >that changes to a fixed date when the document is saved normally. Would >this be possible in a future upgrade? As has been discussed before here, someone could program this now as an applet. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Feb 17 14:06:49 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA145848 for opro ; Sat, 17 Feb 101 14:06:48 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 982404810:10:03634:13; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 10:13:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1126006; 17 Feb 2001 10:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA30941 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 09:46:17 GMT Received: from mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (mta02-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.42]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA30938 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 09:46:15 GMT Received: from mcqueen ([62.252.168.184]) by mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with SMTP id <20010217094611.CXYU23225.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@mcqueen> for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 09:46:11 +0000 Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 17:56:34 +0100 From: Colin McQueen To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Black Clipboard Message-ID: <cd41d14d4a.cmcqueen@cmcqueen.ntlworld.com> References: <7382604d4a.cmcqueen@cmcqueen.ntlworld.com> <4a4d6e80b1robh@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a4d6e80b1robh@argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: The McQueen Family User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.07b (MsgServe/1.07d) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <4a4d6e80b1robh@argonet.co.uk> Rob Hemmings <robh@argonet.co.uk> wrote: > In article <7382604d4a.cmcqueen@cmcqueen.ntlworld.com>, > Colin McQueen <cmcqueen@mcqueen.uk.net> wrote: > > On some of our computers the Clipboard viewer shows a black rectangle, > > though the clipboard still works. Any idea why and how to get correct > > this? > > I had what sounds like the same problem in 2.60 but David has fixed it in > OPro 2.62 (possibly even in 2.61 but I've forgotten). > This is on 2.62 -- Colin McQueen : Using an Acorn StrongARM Risc PC Web Domain : http://www.mcqueen.uk.net/ BSc Zoology + Oceanography : PGCE : MSc in CBL/T -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Feb 17 14:06:52 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA145849 for opro ; Sat, 17 Feb 101 14:06:50 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 982399932:20:16664:13; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 08:52:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2110784; 17 Feb 2001 8:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA30683 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 08:23:05 GMT Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA30680 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 08:23:02 GMT Received: from lowri.demon.co.uk ([194.222.175.160] helo=localhost.com) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 14U2dy-0000he-0U for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 08:23:03 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ian Lowry To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 08:18:05 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Overwritind standard documents Message-ID: <4a4e259fe7ian.k.lowry@ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: <Marcel-1.53-0216094209-b49=C7N@kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk> References: <4a4d6afe88Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> <Marcel-1.53-0216094209-b49=C7N@kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02d (RISC-OS/4.03) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <Marcel-1.53-0216094209-b49=C7N@kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk>, John Percy Kerslake <johnpercy@kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk> wrote: > I have several standard documents. These include blank letters. I > keep overwriting them by accident. In tecwriter there is a seperate > file type stationery. This prevent me form overwriting a stationary > doc by saving it as a standard doc. Just set Access to protected - works for me. Hope that helps, Ian -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Feb 17 14:07:03 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA145854 for opro ; Sat, 17 Feb 101 14:07:01 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 982417443:20:12892:13; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 13:44:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2128233; 17 Feb 2001 13:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA31573 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 13:40:35 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA31570 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 13:40:33 GMT Received: from userbh19.uk.uudial.com (62.188.142.238) [62.188.142.238] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 14U7bE-00061X-00; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 13:40:33 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Rob Hemmings To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 13:38:43 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Black Clipboard Message-ID: <4a4e42fae2robh@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <cd41d14d4a.cmcqueen@cmcqueen.ntlworld.com> References: <7382604d4a.cmcqueen@cmcqueen.ntlworld.com> <4a4d6e80b1robh@argonet.co.uk> <cd41d14d4a.cmcqueen@cmcqueen.ntlworld.c User-Agent: Pluto/2.02d (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <cd41d14d4a.cmcqueen@cmcqueen.ntlworld.com>, Colin McQueen <cmcqueen@mcqueen.uk.net> wrote: > In message <4a4d6e80b1robh@argonet.co.uk> Rob Hemmings > <robh@argonet.co.uk> wrote: > > In article <7382604d4a.cmcqueen@cmcqueen.ntlworld.com>, Colin McQueen > > <cmcqueen@mcqueen.uk.net> wrote: > > > On some of our computers the Clipboard viewer shows a black > > > rectangle, though the clipboard still works. Any idea why and how > > > to get correct this? > > > > I had what sounds like the same problem in 2.60 but David has fixed it > > in OPro 2.62 (possibly even in 2.61 but I've forgotten). > > > This is on 2.62 Oh dear! Well in case it helps the problem was being caused by the following (from DP's list of bug fixes): Create a text frame with a background colour which is not one of the default set documents are created with. Put some text in it. Mark some of the text. Copy to the clipboard. View the clipboard and observe it is completely black. -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Hemmings Southport Tel: +44 (0)1704 573210 robh@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Feb 17 15:57:53 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA145865 for opro ; Sat, 17 Feb 101 15:57:50 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 982419407:20:23162:13; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 14:16:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2129820; 17 Feb 2001 14:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA31698 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 14:14:50 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA31695 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 14:14:48 GMT Received: from usered18.uk.uudial.com (62.188.10.197) [62.188.10.197] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 14U88K-0006Tx-00; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 14:14:45 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 13:33:15 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Overwritind standard documents Message-ID: <4a4e427abesteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <Marcel-1.53-0216094209-b49=C7N@kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk> References: <4a4d6afe88Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> <Marcel-1.53-0216094209-b49=C7N@kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02d (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <Marcel-1.53-0216094209-b49=C7N@kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk>, John Percy Kerslake <johnpercy@kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk> wrote: > I have several standard documents. These include blank letters. I keep > overwriting them by accident. In tecwriter there is a seperate file type > stationery. This prevent me form overwriting a stationary doc by saving > it as a standard doc. It also enables the setting up of a active date > that changes to a fixed date when the document is saved normally. Would > this be possible in a future upgrade? Why not use the Stationery applet? Save your documents into it's sub-directory system and use the applet to call beck the template document. -- Steve Pampling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Feb 17 16:30:37 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA145869 for opro ; Sat, 17 Feb 101 16:30:34 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 982425636:20:28455:15; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 16:00:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2028358; 17 Feb 2001 16:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA32055 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 15:58:40 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA32052 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 15:58:38 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14U9kq-000BIk-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 15:58:37 +0000 Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 14:11:39 GMT Message-Id: <145855@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Black Clipboard X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > this is on 2.62 Are you sure? 8-) As has been mentioned I did fix something like this. It is likely that the problem is due to what you are copying to the clipboard. Any idea what it is? David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 19 18:11:45 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA145879 for opro ; Mon, 19 Feb 101 18:11:41 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 982434879:10:02207:17; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 18:34:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1113660; 17 Feb 2001 18:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA32515 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 18:32:38 GMT Received: from cmailg6.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg6.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.176]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA32512 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 18:32:36 GMT Received: from modem-73.cortizone.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.86.73] helo=kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailg6.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 14UC9r-0000iz-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 18:32:36 +0000 Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 17:03:24 +0000 (GMT) From: John Percy Kerslake Subject: Re: Overwritind standard documents To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <4a4e259fe7ian.k.lowry@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: <Marcel-1.53-0217170324-d07=C7N@kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Oops The simple ansers are always the best. Now any idears about the date problem ie only become active if the file is locked? On Sat 17 Feb, Ian Lowry wrote: > In article > <Marcel-1.53-0216094209-b49=C7N@kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk>, John > Percy Kerslake <johnpercy@kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk> wrote: > > I have several standard documents. These include blank letters. I > > keep overwriting them by accident. In tecwriter there is a seperate > > file type stationery. This prevent me form overwriting a stationary > > doc by saving it as a standard doc. > > Just set Access to protected - works for me. > > Hope that helps, > Ian > > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message > > > -- J.P.Kerslake B.Sc., F.B.I.S. e-mail address:- Work = kerslake@sees.bangor.ac.uk Home = johnpercy@kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk Dyslexia Rules KO. RiscStation A.N.T.-I.S. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 19 18:11:54 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA145882 for opro ; Mon, 19 Feb 101 18:11:52 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 982434876:20:15548:13; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 18:34:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2015474; 17 Feb 2001 18:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA32510 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 18:32:36 GMT Received: from cmailg6.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg6.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.176]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA32507 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 18:32:33 GMT Received: from modem-73.cortizone.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.86.73] helo=kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailg6.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 14UC9o-0000iz-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 18:32:33 +0000 Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 16:59:21 +0000 (GMT) From: John Percy Kerslake Subject: Re: Overwritind standard documents To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <4a4e427abesteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: <Marcel-1.53-0217165921-b49=C7N@kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R But if I Click on save this still overwrites the document in the stationary dirrctory instead of saving it independly. Also this does not fix the date problem. Of course If I could stop cliking on save at the wromg time the problem would not exhist. But I keep misreading the file name (see sig last line) On Sat 17 Feb, Steven Pampling wrote: > In article <Marcel-1.53-0216094209-b49=C7N@kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk>, > John Percy Kerslake <johnpercy@kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk> wrote: > > I have several standard documents. These include blank letters. I keep > > overwriting them by accident. In tecwriter there is a seperate file type > > stationery. This prevent me form overwriting a stationary doc by saving > > it as a standard doc. It also enables the setting up of a active date > > that changes to a fixed date when the document is saved normally. Would > > this be possible in a future upgrade? > > Why not use the Stationery applet? > Save your documents into it's sub-directory system and use the applet to > call beck the template document. > -- J.P.Kerslake B.Sc., F.B.I.S. e-mail address:- Work = kerslake@sees.bangor.ac.uk Home = johnpercy@kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk Dyslexia Rules KO. RiscStation A.N.T.-I.S. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 19 18:12:29 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA145890 for opro ; Mon, 19 Feb 101 18:12:27 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 982445306:10:27419:14; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 21:28:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1027316; 17 Feb 2001 21:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA00612 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 21:23:48 GMT Received: from smtp2.ihug.co.nz (root@smtp2.ihug.co.nz [203.109.252.8]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA00609 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 21:23:45 GMT Received: from renet.ihug.co.nz (p58-tnt1.ham.ihug.co.nz [203.173.234.58]) by smtp2.ihug.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id KAA12509 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Sun, 18 Feb 2001 10:23:39 +1300 X-Authentication-Warning: smtp2.ihug.co.nz: Host p58-tnt1.ham.ihug.co.nz [203.173.234.58] claimed to be renet.ihug.co.nz Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 10:21:19 +1200 (GMT) From: Ren H Turner Subject: Re: User Searching for CD.. To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <145855@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <Marcel-1.53-0217222119-bc8hpgV@renet.ihug.co.nz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Ren H Turner, Hamilton, New Zealand. Ph:+64 7 8435779 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id VAB00612 David, Long time Registered Ovation Pro user here... Just visited your site to buy the Upgrade, <the one on CD> and seems i got sent to Liquid Silicone where i got lost and found no trace... Please will you post the ' Credit Card' purchase site for the CD upgrade please... Much confused.... Ren=E9 H Turner.... In New Zealand...=20 On Sun 18 Feb, David Pilling wrote: > > this is on 2.62 >=20 > Are you sure? 8-) >=20 > As has been mentioned I did fix something like this. It is likely > that the problem is due to what you are copying to the clipboard. > Any idea what it is? >=20 >=20 > David Pilling >=20 > --=20 > email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk > web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling > web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk > post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1= LR. UK. > fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 >=20 >=20 > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message >=20 >=20 >=20 --=20 May G-d Bless you and Keep you. ICQ# 27674131=20 Ren=E9 Turner Mailto:renet@ihug.co.nz H.I.S.NZ http://www.head-injury.org= ..nz My Personal: http://www.angelfire.com/hi2/reneinnz =20 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 19 18:12:33 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA145892 for opro ; Mon, 19 Feb 101 18:12:31 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 982453021:10:12552:13; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 23:37:01 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1012512; 17 Feb 2001 23:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA00951 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 23:34:21 GMT Received: from blueyonder.co.uk (pcow034o.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.53.122]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA00948 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 23:34:19 GMT Received: from agse00.blueyonder.co.uk ([213.48.108.239]) by blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.197.19); Sat, 17 Feb 2001 23:35:48 +0000 Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 23:36:11 +0000 (GMT) From: Alan Gibson Subject: Re: User Searching for CD.. To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <Marcel-1.53-0217222119-bc8hpgV@renet.ihug.co.nz> Message-ID: <Marcel-1.53-0217233611-0b0XdrY@agse00.blueyonder.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Liquid Silicon X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id XAB00951 On Sat 17 Feb, Ren=E9 H Turner wrote: > David, > Long time Registered Ovation Pro user here... > Just visited your site to buy the Upgrade, <the one on CD> > and seems i got sent to Liquid Silicone where i got lost > and found no trace... >=20 > Please will you post the ' Credit Card' purchase site for the > CD upgrade please... You can email/fax me the details and I will process the card and pass the order on to David. It's not listed on my web site as it's not an 'official' product; just a service. I also don't want to confuse people who would send me a cheque f= or =A340 instead of =A335 to David. Unless people would think it a good idea to list it? =20 =20 Alan --=20 __ _ _ _ ____ _ _ _ | | (_)___ _ _(_)_| | / __(_| (_)__ ___ ___ Tel: +44 1592 59226= 5 | |_| / _ | \| | / _ | \_ \.| | | / _/ _ | \ Fax: +44 1592 59610= 2 |____|_\_ |\___|_\___| /____/|_|_|_\__\___|_|\_| sales@liquid-silicon.co= m RISC OS |__/ music specialists. http://www.liquid-silicon.co= m -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 19 18:13:07 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA145905 for opro ; Mon, 19 Feb 101 18:13:05 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 982533896:20:19576:13; Sun, 18 Feb 2001 22:04:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2019511; 18 Feb 2001 22:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA04359 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 18 Feb 2001 22:00:44 GMT Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA04356 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Sun, 18 Feb 2001 22:00:42 GMT Received: from talibard.demon.co.uk ([158.152.207.34]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 14Ubso-0009ec-0X for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 18 Feb 2001 22:00:43 +0000 Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 21:59:29 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael Talibard Subject: Re: Keys. To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <4a4ef02986chris.dawson@aaug.net> Message-ID: <Marcel-1.46-0218215929-0b03qTe@talibard.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I have Ctrl S defined as {'CS_S} and Ctrl Shift S defined as {'C_S} This works. -- Michael Talibard -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 19 18:13:09 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA145906 for opro ; Mon, 19 Feb 101 18:13:08 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 982530898:10:13572:13; Sun, 18 Feb 2001 21:14:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1124007; 18 Feb 2001 21:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA04174 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 18 Feb 2001 21:09:14 GMT Received: from mail12.svr.pol.co.uk (mail12.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.215]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA04171 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Sun, 18 Feb 2001 21:09:08 GMT Received: from modem-216.delaware.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.59.216] helo=seador.fsnet.co.uk) by mail12.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 14UauS-0001cm-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 18 Feb 2001 20:58:21 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Chris Dawson." To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 21:10:20 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Keys. Message-ID: <4a4ef02986chris.dawson@aaug.net> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02d (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I'd like to swop over the 'Ctrl S' and 'Shift-Ctrl S' I seem to think that there is control over the key setting somewhere. I've had a look at the Macro setup and did not think I could do it there without a conflict. Can anyone suggest a solution? Thanks -- Chris... -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 19 18:13:15 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA145910 for opro ; Mon, 19 Feb 101 18:13:14 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 982541679:10:28011:13; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 00:14:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1105139; 19 Feb 2001 0:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA04690 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 00:10:48 GMT Received: from mail3.svr.pol.co.uk (mail3.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.19]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA04687 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 00:10:46 GMT Received: from modem-117.lamark-angel.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.36.245] helo=modem-117) by mail3.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 14Udje-0003OR-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 18 Feb 2001 23:59:23 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 00:10:02 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Keys. Message-ID: <4a4f009d6erayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a4ef02986chris.dawson@aaug.net> References: <4a4ef02986chris.dawson@aaug.net> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02d (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4a4ef02986chris.dawson@aaug.net>, Chris Dawson. <chris.dawson@AAUG.net> wrote: > I'd like to swop over the 'Ctrl S' and 'Shift-Ctrl S' I seem to think > that there is control over the key setting somewhere. I've had a look > at the Macro setup and did not think I could do it there without a > conflict. > Can anyone suggest a solution? I've had these two swapped over since the early days. Make two Key macros with Ctrl S {'CS_S} Ctrl Shift S {checkstory(0)} And to make sure the Menus show the altered keypresses, you need to edit the !Menus file - around line 468 (all one line) addentry_menu(spell_handle,"spell_entry","spell_flags","","CS_S","{SPM01}"); Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 020 8864 7208 | the audio and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 19 18:13:17 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA145911 for opro ; Mon, 19 Feb 101 18:13:16 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 982573419:20:27041:13; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 09:03:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2108520; 19 Feb 2001 9:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA05855 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 09:00:00 GMT Received: from mserv1d.vianw.co.uk (mserv1d.vianw.co.uk [195.102.240.96]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA05852 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 08:59:58 GMT Received: from catchline.u-net.com ([194.119.179.59] helo=Caslon.english.co.uk) by mserv1d.vianw.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.22 #5) id 14UmAj-0004eZ-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 08:59:53 +0000 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 08:54:20 +0000 Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 08:54:33 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: String too long error Message-ID: <b9a2304f4a%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I have a curious and slightly irritating problem which has appeared (I think for the first time) with OvPro 2.62). If I have Prophet 3+ accounts loaded, then when I try to save an OvPro document (just bring up the save box) I get a 'string too long' error reported but the error box belongs to Prophet. Any idea why this should happen? There seems to be no support now for the accounts package on Riscos so if there is a fix at the OvPro end it would be useful. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 19 18:13:26 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA145916 for opro ; Mon, 19 Feb 101 18:13:24 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 982583734:10:04343:15; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 11:55:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1111562; 19 Feb 2001 11:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA06334 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 11:52:46 GMT Received: from blueyonder.co.uk (pcow028o.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.53.124]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA06331 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 11:52:43 GMT Received: from agse00.blueyonder.co.uk ([195.188.174.38]) by blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.197.19); Mon, 19 Feb 2001 11:53:10 +0000 Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 11:53:29 +0000 (GMT) From: Alan Gibson Subject: Re: String too long error To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <b9a2304f4a%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> Message-ID: <Marcel-1.53-0219115329-d07XdrY@agse00.blueyonder.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Liquid Silicon X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 19 Feb, David Graddol wrote: > > > > I have a curious and slightly irritating problem which has appeared (I > think for the first time) with OvPro 2.62). If I have Prophet 3+ > accounts loaded, then when I try to save an OvPro document (just bring > up the save box) I get a 'string too long' error reported but the error > box belongs to Prophet. > > Any idea why this should happen? There seems to be no support now for > the accounts package on Riscos so if there is a fix at the OvPro end it > would be useful. I don't know about your particular problem, but Quentin assures me that he is supporting (and developing) his RISC OS software as he always has done. As Prophet will be promoted along with the POSsum system, we need support to continue. Alan -- __ _ _ _ ____ _ _ _ | | (_)___ _ _(_)_| | / __(_| (_)__ ___ ___ Tel: +44 1592 592265 | |_| / _ | \| | / _ | \_ \.| | | / _/ _ | \ Fax: +44 1592 596102 |____|_\_ |\___|_\___| /____/|_|_|_\__\___|_|\_| sales@liquid-silicon.com RISC OS |__/ music specialists. http://www.liquid-silicon.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 19 23:04:27 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA145969 for opro ; Mon, 19 Feb 101 23:04:25 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 982616607:20:06900:13; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 21:03:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2006737; 19 Feb 2001 21:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA07832 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 21:00:37 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA07829 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 21:00:35 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14UxQB-000EQC-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 21:00:35 +0000 Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 18:28:21 GMT Message-Id: <145925@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: String too long error X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I have a curious and slightly irritating problem which has appeared (I >think for the first time) with OvPro 2.62). If I have Prophet 3+ >accounts loaded, then when I try to save an OvPro document (just bring >up the save box) I get a 'string too long' error reported but the error >box belongs to Prophet. I went through this with someone recently, (pre 2.62 I would guess) and we didn't come to a conclusion. The word from Apricote was that they were not touching the RISC OS code until the Win version was complete. I don't want to cast aspersions, thats what I was told, the problem could in fact be OPro, Prophet or even something else. More data needed. There are programs that monitor message passing inside RISC OS (I've never used them so I don't know much), maybe you could run one of them and see what is going on. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 19 23:04:28 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA145970 for opro ; Mon, 19 Feb 101 23:04:25 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 982616745:10:13020:13; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 21:05:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1124049; 19 Feb 2001 21:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA07827 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 21:00:35 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA07824 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 21:00:33 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14UxQ9-000EQC-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 21:00:33 +0000 Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 18:27:18 GMT Message-Id: <145923@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Overwritind standard documents X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >But if I Click on save this still overwrites the document in the stationary >dirrctory instead of saving it independly. Not if you save a stylesheet or DDL file into the applet in the first place as you're supposed to. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 20 03:31:47 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA145993 for opro ; Tue, 20 Feb 101 03:31:45 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 982639229:20:16289:14; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 03:20:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2124977; 20 Feb 2001 3:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA08832 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 03:15:24 GMT Received: from pandora.chariot.net.au (mail.chariot.net.au [203.30.236.84]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA08829 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 03:15:18 GMT Received: from localhost.com (ppp-196.cust210-9-25.ghr.chariot.net.au [210.9.25.196]) by pandora.chariot.net.au (8.11.1/8.10.0) with SMTP id f1K3FC225734 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 13:45:14 +1030 Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 13:40:26 +1030 From: Peter Prewett To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: clearing highlighted text Message-ID: <8ff7944f4a.pprewett@chariot.net.au> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I have had a problem occasionally which I cannot repeat and wonder if anyone else has experienced it. If I highlight some text I am unable to deselect it by using Ctrl Z or clicking on another area or trying to delete, Even saving and reloading does not work after pressing, clicking, cursing etc. it goes:-)) must be more careful next time it occurs and try to follow/remember steps taken. Risc PC 600 with version 2.62 of Ovation Peter -- Peter Prewett, South Australia -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 20 13:56:38 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA145997 for opro ; Tue, 20 Feb 101 13:56:36 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 982641006:10:04661:13; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 03:50:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1004470; 20 Feb 2001 3:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA08977 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 03:47:11 GMT Received: from mailserv.waikato.ac.nz (mailserv.waikato.ac.nz [130.217.66.61]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA08974 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 03:47:07 GMT Received: from freja (freja.cs.waikato.ac.nz [130.217.248.25]) by mailserv.waikato.ac.nz (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id f1K3ldF06002 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 16:47:39 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Keith Hopper To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 16:46:58 +1300 Subject: clearing highlighted text Message-ID: <4a4f984fcdkh@waikato.ac.nz> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/3.60) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 20 Feb, Peter Prewett <pprewett@chariot.net.au> wrote: > If I highlight some text I am unable to deselect it by using Ctrl Z or > clicking on another area or trying to delete, Even saving and reloading > does not work after pressing, clicking, cursing etc. it goes:-)) must be > more careful next time it occurs and try to follow/remember steps taken. I have occasionally had this and it seems to be a matter of redrawing not taking place until forced - eg by scrolling out of and into sight again. Since it was (for me) a minor hiccup I haven't done anything about it! kh -- City Desk Waikato University [PGP key available if desired] -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 20 13:56:42 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA145999 for opro ; Tue, 20 Feb 101 13:56:40 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 982641015:10:04966:14; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 03:50:15 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1004761; 20 Feb 2001 3:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA08957 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 03:35:39 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA08953 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 03:35:36 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14V3aS-00052r-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 03:35:36 +0000 Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 03:33:32 GMT Message-Id: <145994@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: clearing highlighted text X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R >If I highlight some text I am unable to deselect it by using Ctrl Z or >clicking on another area or trying to delete, Even saving and reloading >does not work after pressing, clicking, cursing etc. it goes:-)) must be >more careful next time it occurs and try to follow/remember steps taken. Sounds more like the text has had its colour changed so it looks marked but isn't. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 20 17:10:03 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA146017 for opro ; Tue, 20 Feb 101 17:10:02 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 982684708:20:02146:21; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 15:58:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2111500; 20 Feb 2001 15:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA10941 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 15:51:26 GMT Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA10938 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 15:51:24 GMT Received: from tab1.demon.co.uk ([194.222.128.184]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 14VF4V-000BFO-0X for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 15:51:24 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mick Burrell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 15:41:17 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: String too long error Message-ID: <4a4fd9b593mick@tab1.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <b9a2304f4a%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> References: <b9a2304f4a%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <b9a2304f4a%Support@Gill.english.co.uk>, David Graddol <david@english.co.uk> wrote: > I have a curious and slightly irritating problem which has appeared (I > think for the first time) with OvPro 2.62). If I have Prophet 3+ > accounts loaded, then when I try to save an OvPro document (just bring > up the save box) I get a 'string too long' error reported but the error > box belongs to Prophet. It doesn't happen here - OPro 2.62, Prophet 3.88, RISC OS 4.02 -- Mick -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 20 18:02:50 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA146027 for opro ; Tue, 20 Feb 101 18:02:43 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 982689401:20:03662:13; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 17:16:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2003181; 20 Feb 2001 17:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA11388 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 16:59:55 GMT Received: from mserv1d.vianw.co.uk (mserv1d.vianw.co.uk [195.102.240.96]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA11385 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 16:59:53 GMT Received: from catchline.u-net.com ([194.119.179.59] helo=Caslon.english.co.uk) by mserv1d.vianw.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.22 #5) id 14VG8m-000646-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 16:59:52 +0000 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 16:59:01 +0000 Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 16:59:17 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: String too long error Message-ID: <86d9e04f4a%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a4fd9b593mick@tab1.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Mick Burrell <mick@tab1.demon.co.uk> wrote: > In article <b9a2304f4a%Support@Gill.english.co.uk>, > David Graddol <david@english.co.uk> wrote: > > > > > I have a curious and slightly irritating problem which has appeared (I > > think for the first time) with OvPro 2.62). If I have Prophet 3+ > > accounts loaded, then when I try to save an OvPro document (just bring > > up the save box) I get a 'string too long' error reported but the error > > box belongs to Prophet. > > It doesn't happen here - OPro 2.62, Prophet 3.88, RISC OS 4.02 > Curious. I have OvPro 2.62, Prophet 3.73, and RiscOS 4.02 (just installed but I got the error message before with 3.7). I did try David's suggestion of monitoring the wimp messages but, curiously, I can catch no message received by Prophet3 when a save box is brought up on OvPro. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 20 19:07:24 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA146035 for opro ; Tue, 20 Feb 101 19:07:22 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 982692335:10:03650:19; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 18:05:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1106475; 20 Feb 2001 18:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA11751 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 18:02:00 GMT Received: from mail1.svr.pol.co.uk (mail1.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.18]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA11748 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 18:01:57 GMT Received: from modem-3.depacon.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.88.3] helo=kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk) by mail1.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 14VGvC-0001wV-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 17:50:03 +0000 Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 19:09:03 +0000 (GMT) From: John Percy Kerslake Subject: Re: String too long error To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <b9a2304f4a%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> Message-ID: <Marcel-1.53-0219190903-bba=C7N@kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Mon 19 Feb, David Graddol wrote: > I have a curious and slightly irritating problem which has appeared (I > think for the first time) with OvPro 2.62). If I have Prophet 3+ > accounts loaded, then when I try to save an OvPro document (just bring > up the save box) I get a 'string too long' error reported but the error > box belongs to Prophet. > > Any idea why this should happen? There seems to be no support now for > the accounts package on Riscos so if there is a fix at the OvPro end it > would be useful. > > David To move this slightly off topic:- I get "cannot print VDU codes" from Tablemate, when I try to print from ANT IS/ Marcel. -- J.P. Kerslake B.Sc., F.B.I.S. Pager 07626 - 235878 e-mail address:- Work = kerslake@sees.bangor.ac.uk Home = johnpercy@kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk, Dyslexia Rules KO. RiscStation 50 ns RAM. A.N.T.-I.S. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 20 19:07:27 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA146036 for opro ; Tue, 20 Feb 101 19:07:25 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 982692347:10:04351:14; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 18:05:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1107187; 20 Feb 2001 18:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA11793 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 18:04:01 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA11790 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 18:04:00 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14VH8p-000JBI-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 18:03:59 +0000 Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 17:30:43 GMT Message-Id: <146024@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Proactive Buttons X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro If you've been following this mini-saga of Colin Woolfs desire to have button bar buttons that show the state of the lock to grid and frame flags. The complete bugfixed and buffed applet is now available from the third party Ovation Pro support site... http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 20 19:07:29 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA146037 for opro ; Tue, 20 Feb 101 19:07:28 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 982692377:10:05361:18; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 18:06:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1004778; 20 Feb 2001 18:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA11781 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 18:03:39 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA11778 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 18:03:37 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14VH8S-000JBI-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 18:03:36 +0000 Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 17:19:57 GMT Message-Id: <146020@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: String too long error X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >It doesn't happen here - OPro 2.62, Prophet 3.88, RISC OS 4.02 One thought is which string is too long? Does the error depend on how long the path to what you're saving is? e.g. does a save to the root work, and one elsewhere fail? Is there any sort of demo version of Prophet that I could use to test things? David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 20 19:07:32 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA146038 for opro ; Tue, 20 Feb 101 19:07:30 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 982693745:10:22555:67; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 18:29:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1129918; 20 Feb 2001 18:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA12026 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 18:26:47 GMT Received: from norwegia.access.ch (mail.access.ch [195.112.71.134]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA12021 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 18:26:43 GMT Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (megapop11-106.access.ch [212.161.131.234]) by norwegia.access.ch (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA27287 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 19:26:43 +0100 Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 19:08:27 +0100 (GMT) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: clearing highlighted text To: OVATIONP-L <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <8ff7944f4a.pprewett@chariot.net.au> Message-ID: <Marcel-1.53-0220180827-0b03nLi@janvredenb.access.ch> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: tevens Secretariaat Stichting Van Vredenburch X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Tue 20 Feb, Peter Prewett wrote: > I have had a problem occasionally which I cannot repeat and wonder > if anyone else has experienced it. > > If I highlight some text I am unable to deselect it by using Ctrl Z or > clicking on another area or trying to delete, Even saving and reloading > does not work after pressing, clicking, cursing etc. it goes:-)) must be > more careful next time it occurs and try to follow/remember steps taken. I very often had, and have, this problem, but never tried saving, loading, etc. as you did (excepting the cursing at times). My solution almost always was by clicking <Select> *outside* of the main frame, i.e. somewhere in the margins. And then clicking again where I wanted to do it initially. In general this always worked. One reason for this happening, and David Pilling will please correct me if I am wrong, is that at times the program needs some time to know where to put its "anchor" for the following step. You can try this out easily and visibly using Ovation 1.42. Try putting the caret somewhere and *immediately* after clicking <Select> move the mouse up or down (presuming there is text above or below). The caret most probably will appear to where you moved the mouse, not where you wanted. But hold the mouse stll at least one second after clicking <Select> and the caret will appear where you wanted. OvPro being somewhat more complicated, it might need much more time to sort things out. Old Ovation just punished you by putting the caret somewhere else. I presume you try to work 'too' fast ;-)) Probably my problem as well. Because it then happens with me. > Risc PC 600 with version 2.62 of Ovation I have known this problem from the 1st release of OvPro. JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch tel +41 41 3706125 | RiscPC (ex-Acorn) Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 20 19:07:35 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA146039 for opro ; Tue, 20 Feb 101 19:07:34 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 982693765:10:23567:13; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 18:29:25 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1023424; 20 Feb 2001 18:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA12024 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 18:26:45 GMT Received: from norwegia.access.ch (mail.access.ch [195.112.71.134]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA12017 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 18:26:42 GMT Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (megapop11-106.access.ch [212.161.131.234]) by norwegia.access.ch (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA27284 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 19:26:41 +0100 Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 18:22:35 +0100 (GMT) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: String too long error To: OVATIONP-L <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <145925@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <Marcel-1.53-0220172235-b493nLi@janvredenb.access.ch> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: tevens Secretariaat Stichting Van Vredenburch X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id SAB12024 Status: R On Mon 19 Feb, David Pilling wrote: >=20 > >I have a curious and slightly irritating problem which has appeared (I > >think for the first time) with OvPro 2.62). If I have Prophet 3+ > >accounts loaded, then when I try to save an OvPro document (just bring > >up the save box) I get a 'string too long' error reported but the erro= r > >box belongs to Prophet. I had this same problem a long time ago. I managed to get rid of it by switching off the machine, starting again holding the "R" or "Del" key pressed (forgot which one it was) and once the machine had settled down I hit the 'Panic Button' at the rear of the computer for another reset. So as to have evrything installed as usual. The problem had vanished.=20 snip some > More data needed. There are programs that monitor message passing > inside RISC OS (I've never used them so I don't know much), maybe > you could run one of them and see what is going on. I use 'Error Monitor' (!ErrorMon), written by Alan Wrigley, copyright =A9 Rheingold Enterprises 1998. It only gives an idea. Probably better programs exist. JohnvV --=20 JM van Vredenburch tel +41 41 3706125 | RiscPC (ex-Acorn) Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 20 19:26:20 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA146049 for opro ; Tue, 20 Feb 101 19:26:07 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 982696545:10:19849:13; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 19:15:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1127472; 20 Feb 2001 19:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA12493 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 19:08:13 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA12490 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 19:08:11 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14VI8x-000IeM-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 19:08:11 +0000 Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 18:54:54 GMT Message-Id: <146032@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: String too long error X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro If while the error box is open, if you do alt+break does it initially offer to quit Prophet or OPro for you? (just a bit of paranoia about which task is raising the error) One possibility is that OPro is changing something in memory which Prophet thinks belongs to it (or actually does belong to it). Another possibility is that Prophet is keeping an eye on all windows open on the desktop (perhaps as part of its OLE code) and there is something about the OPro save box it doesn't like. I had not appreciated that the problem happend when the save box was merely opened. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 21 00:16:27 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA146051 for opro ; Wed, 21 Feb 101 00:16:13 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 982697411:20:25695:13; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 19:30:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2025626; 20 Feb 2001 19:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA12664 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 19:27:59 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA12656 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 19:27:54 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14VIS1-0000w0-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 19:27:53 +0000 Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 19:20:40 GMT Message-Id: <146047@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: String too long error X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I had this same problem a long time ago. I managed to get rid of it by >switching off the machine, starting again holding the "R" or "Del" key >pressed (forgot which one it was) and once the machine had settled down >I hit the 'Panic Button' at the rear of the computer for another reset. Save your CMOS before you try this... (menu over the !Boot configuration window in RISC OS 4). David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 21 00:16:33 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA146052 for opro ; Wed, 21 Feb 101 00:16:13 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 982697367:10:22718:13; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 19:29:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1123240; 20 Feb 2001 19:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA12632 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 19:27:30 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA12629 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 19:27:29 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14VIRZ-0000w0-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 19:27:26 +0000 Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 19:11:50 GMT Message-Id: <146043@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: String too long error X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >To move this slightly off topic:- I get "cannot print VDU codes" from >Tablemate, when I try to print from ANT IS/ Marcel. Some people have reported Tablemate raising an error when they print from Ovation Pro. This is of the "can't print VDU4 text" type. Again this is a mystery - why should Tablemate be doing anything whilst OPro is printing. In fact how can it do anything. Leaving some debugging code active is a typical reason for VDU4 style text output. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 21 00:16:37 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA146053 for opro ; Wed, 21 Feb 101 00:16:35 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 982698582:20:06161:15; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 19:49:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2109973; 20 Feb 2001 19:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA12871 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 19:47:31 GMT Received: from tvweb1.hiway.co.uk (root@tvweb1.hiway.co.uk [195.12.1.131]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA12868 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 19:47:30 GMT From: Received: from mail-gw.quantel.com ([195.12.20.50]) by tvweb1.hiway.co.uk (8.11.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id f1KJlPq05718 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 19:47:25 GMT Received: SMTP by Quantel-Mailhub (8.8.7/3.1). id TAA27745 for INET:ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Tue, 20 Feb 2001 19:27:20 GMT To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: <802569F9.006548B7.00@buffer1.HQ.quantel> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 18:21:58 +0000 Subject: Re: String too long error Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Organization: Quantel Ltd. Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >>It doesn't happen here - OPro 2.62, Prophet 3.88, RISC OS 4.02 >One thought is which string is too long? Does the error depend on >how long the path to what you're saving is? e.g. does a save to >the root work, and one elsewhere fail? It's not something to do with the clipboard thingy that used to come with prophet is it? It's a long time since I have looked at prophet, but it used to come with an application that let you cut & paste things like filenames between any application. It may be that this cannot cope with the long file names of RO4 Just a thought Andy Ling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 21 00:16:40 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA146054 for opro ; Wed, 21 Feb 101 00:16:36 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 982697392:10:24824:13; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 19:29:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1024242; 20 Feb 2001 19:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA12649 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 19:27:49 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA12644 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 19:27:46 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14VIRs-0000w0-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 19:27:45 +0000 Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 19:15:49 GMT Message-Id: <146045@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: clearing highlighted text X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I very often had, and have, this problem, but never tried saving, >loading, etc. For me the save+load thing puts this in a different class. It means it is not just a bad redraw (as Keith Hopper described). >You can try this out easily and visibly using Ovation 1.42. Try putting >the caret somewhere and *immediately* after clicking <Select> move the >mouse up or down (presuming there is text above or below). The caret >most probably will appear to where you moved the mouse, not where you >wanted. But hold the mouse stll at least one second after clicking ><Select> and the caret will appear where you wanted. Ovation had some arbitrary asignments of operations to mouse clicks which messed up its click handling and made many people say it was a slow program. OvationPro has no such problem... As you say sometimes it can be difficult to clear marking, and sometimes there can be redraw errors with it. But these are easy enough to sort out. Click the caret into another document or wipe another window over the area. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 21 00:16:59 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA146059 for opro ; Wed, 21 Feb 101 00:16:53 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 982700590:20:22541:13; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 20:23:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2022426; 20 Feb 2001 20:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA13228 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 20:21:14 GMT Received: from norwegia.access.ch (mail.access.ch [195.112.71.134]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA13225 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 20:21:11 GMT Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (megapop1-47.access.ch [212.161.128.47]) by norwegia.access.ch (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA30936 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 21:21:11 +0100 Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 21:18:42 +0100 (GMT) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: clearing highlighted text To: OVATIONP-L <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <146045@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <Marcel-1.53-0220201842-0b03nLi@janvredenb.access.ch> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: tevens Secretariaat Stichting Van Vredenburch X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 20 Feb, David Pilling wrote: snip > As you say sometimes it can be difficult to clear marking, and sometimes > there can be redraw errors with it. But these are easy enough to sort out. > Click the caret into another document or wipe another window over the area. Ah yes, indeed. Forgot to mention that. And very useful indeed. Thanks for the hint of "window-wiping". Another trick I used at times, but did not always function, was selecting a different tool from the Tool window and then selecting the 'Select' tool. Clicking in the margins definitely was the best cure at all times. But I'll keep your "window-wiping" suggestion in mind. JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch tel +41 41 3706125 | RiscPC (ex-Acorn) Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 21 00:17:01 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA146060 for opro ; Wed, 21 Feb 101 00:16:54 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 982700957:10:14000:13; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 20:29:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1103882; 20 Feb 2001 20:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA13320 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 20:27:21 GMT Received: from red.paston.co.uk (red.paston.co.uk [195.89.168.3]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA13317 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 20:27:19 GMT Received: from net7.paston.co.uk ([195.89.168.135]:1027 "HELO thilm.paston.co.uk" whoson: "-unregistered-") by red.paston.co.uk with SMTP id <S378839AbRBTU2v>; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 20:28:51 +0000 Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 20:27:10 +0000 (GMT) From: T C & A H Pegg Subject: Re: String too long error To: Ovation Pro <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <145925@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <Marcel-1.53-0220202710-d072rbW@thilm.paston.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id UAB13320 On Mon 19 Feb, David Pilling wrote: >=20 > >I have a curious and slightly irritating problem which has appeared (I > >think for the first time) with OvPro 2.62). If I have Prophet 3+ > >accounts loaded, then when I try to save an OvPro document (just bring > >up the save box) I get a 'string too long' error reported but the erro= r > >box belongs to Prophet. I have OvPro 2.60 and Prophet 3.87 and a curious thing has happened to my Prophet file. I cannot remember, at the time, if I had an error message o= r anything as I was in a hurry to do an invoice for a customer, but the nex= t time I activated Prophet it took ages to load and when I look at the size of the file it has increased from around 188K to 1861K! I do know at the time I had a number of programmes including OvPro loaded= on the icon board. Prophet, once loaded, does appear to work normally but th= e file has increased by ten times? --=20 Hilary & Tim Pegg Thilmcraft Graphics =A9, Dereham Digital Centre, Wellin= gton, Dereham, Norfolk NR19 2AZ http//www.ecn.co.uk/netspace/dereham Tel/Fax(On request) No: +44(0)1362 691690 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 21 00:17:10 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA146061 for opro ; Wed, 21 Feb 101 00:17:01 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 982701094:20:29187:13; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 20:31:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2119375; 20 Feb 2001 20:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA13393 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 20:30:05 GMT Received: from norwegia.access.ch (mail.access.ch [195.112.71.134]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA13390 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 20:30:03 GMT Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (megapop5-117.access.ch [212.161.129.117]) by norwegia.access.ch (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA31190 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 21:30:02 +0100 Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 21:27:02 +0100 (GMT) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: String too long error To: OVATIONP-L <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <146047@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <Marcel-1.53-0220202702-b493nLi@janvredenb.access.ch> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: tevens Secretariaat Stichting Van Vredenburch X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 20 Feb, David Pilling wrote: > > > >I had this same problem a long time ago. I managed to get rid of it by > >switching off the machine, starting again holding the "R" or "Del" key > >pressed (forgot which one it was) and once the machine had settled down > >I hit the 'Panic Button' at the rear of the computer for another reset. > > Save your CMOS before you try this... But with a new name, please! > (menu over the !Boot configuration window in RISC OS 4). I hope this (=saving of CMOS) was done long before that. Because somehow the settings in CMOS have been mixed up. And you therefore must start again. Meaning that the CMOS settings have to be changed/corrected. JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch tel +41 41 3706125 | RiscPC (ex-Acorn) Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 21 00:17:44 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA146064 for opro ; Wed, 21 Feb 101 00:17:28 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 982701788:20:19473:13; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 20:43:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2106556; 20 Feb 2001 20:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA13486 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 20:41:18 GMT Received: from mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (mta01-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA13483 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 20:41:16 GMT From: Received: from localhost ([62.254.39.40]) by mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with SMTP id <20010220204116.QKMQ6427.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@localhost> for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 20:41:16 +0000 Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 20:36:53 GMT To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: String too long error Message-ID: <8cc5f44f4a.colin@cstage.argonet.co.uk> References: <146020@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <146020@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Centre Stage User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10 (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <146020@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: [snip] > Is there any sort of demo version of Prophet that I could use to test > things? > > > David Pilling > There _is_ a demo version but Quentin Pain has changed his website so that RISC OS apps no longer appear on it - but - he is still supporting Prophet3 and so will presumably make a demo available again? I think support@apricote.com is still his 'RISC OS' email address (The new site is accountz.com but has no refs to prophet) -- Colin Carnegie colinc@argonet.co.uk www.argonet.co.uk/users/cstage -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 21 00:18:08 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA146068 for opro ; Wed, 21 Feb 101 00:18:04 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 982711012:20:12078:13; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 23:16:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2118653; 20 Feb 2001 23:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA14611 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 23:15:11 GMT Received: from warrior-outbound.servers.plus.net ([212.159.14.227]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA14608 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 23:15:09 GMT Received: (qmail 26212 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2001 23:14:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (212.159.17.122) by warrior with SMTP; 20 Feb 2001 23:14:36 -0000 Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 10:19:56 +0000 (GMT) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: clearing highlighted text To: Ovation Pro List <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a4f984fcdkh@waikato.ac.nz> Message-ID: <Marcel-1.53-0220101956-313ZSTv@tinshill.force9.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In <URL:news:local.opro> on Tue 20 Feb, Keith Hopper wrote: > On 20 Feb, Peter Prewett <pprewett@chariot.net.au> wrote: > > > If I highlight some text I am unable to deselect it by using Ctrl Z or > > clicking on another area or trying to delete, Even saving and reloading > > does not work after pressing, clicking, cursing etc. it goes:-)) must be > > more careful next time it occurs and try to follow/remember steps taken. > > I have occasionally had this and it seems to be a matter of redrawing > not taking place until forced - eg by scrolling out of and into sight > again. Since it was (for me) a minor hiccup I haven't done anything about > it! > Easy way to force a redraw is to press Ctrl-I twice (toggles invisible characters on and off (or off and on) back to how you were working. Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 21 00:18:32 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA146069 for opro ; Wed, 21 Feb 101 00:18:21 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 982711986:20:25204:15; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 23:33:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2110199; 20 Feb 2001 23:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA14698 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 23:22:16 GMT Received: from mserv1d.vianw.co.uk (mserv1d.vianw.co.uk [195.102.240.96]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA14695 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 23:22:14 GMT Received: from catchline.u-net.com ([194.119.179.59] helo=Caslon.english.co.uk) by mserv1d.vianw.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.22 #5) id 14VM6n-0001Re-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 23:22:14 +0000 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 23:21:50 +0000 Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 23:22:01 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: String too long error Message-ID: <1ce43504a%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <146032@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > If while the error box is open, if you do alt+break does it initially offer > to quit Prophet or OPro for you? > > (just a bit of paranoia about which task is raising the error) > > One possibility is that OPro is changing something in memory which > Prophet thinks belongs to it (or actually does belong to it). > More grist to the mill .... on a hunch I removed all my applets. The error problem goes away. I've discovered that three applets cause the error. These are !ColSupp, !Fill, and !Ovation1. Remove these three and leave all the rest - no problem. Put any one of them back, and the error returns. Does this give a clue? David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 21 00:25:30 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA146070 for opro ; Wed, 21 Feb 101 00:25:28 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 982707149:10:03907:13; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 22:12:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1123873; 20 Feb 2001 22:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA14164 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 22:10:05 GMT Received: from mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (mta05-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.45]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA14161 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 22:10:03 GMT Received: from mcqueen ([62.252.170.195]) by mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with SMTP id <20010220221003.IQRH18404.mta05-svc.ntlworld.com@mcqueen> for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 22:10:03 +0000 Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 21:41:14 +0100 From: Colin McQueen To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Black Clipboard Message-ID: <752bf54f4a.cmcqueen@cmcqueen.ntlworld.com> References: <145855@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <145855@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: The McQueen Family User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.07b (MsgServe/1.07d) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <145855@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > this is on 2.62 > > Are you sure? 8-) Well I'm sure we have 2.62 but perhaps the roll-out to all the computers failed. I'll check in the morning. > > As has been mentioned I did fix something like this. It is likely > that the problem is due to what you are copying to the clipboard. Any > idea what it is a "select all" block of text. -- Colin McQueen : Using an Acorn StrongARM Risc PC Web Domain : http://www.mcqueen.uk.net/ BSc Zoology + Oceanography : PGCE : MSc in CBL/T -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 21 00:25:34 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA146071 for opro ; Wed, 21 Feb 101 00:25:32 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 982710130:10:12694:13; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 23:02:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1012318; 20 Feb 2001 23:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA14460 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 22:59:51 GMT Received: from mserv1d.vianw.co.uk (mserv1d.vianw.co.uk [195.102.240.96]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA14457 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 22:59:49 GMT Received: from catchline.u-net.com ([194.119.179.59] helo=Caslon.english.co.uk) by mserv1d.vianw.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.22 #5) id 14VLl2-0000hc-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 22:59:45 +0000 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 22:55:07 +0000 Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 22:55:41 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: String too long error Message-ID: <d27a1504a%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <146020@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > >It doesn't happen here - OPro 2.62, Prophet 3.88, RISC OS 4.02 > > One thought is which string is too long? Does the error depend on > how long the path to what you're saving is? e.g. does a save to > the root work, and one elsewhere fail? I get the error message even with a new document with no path specified (i.e. just 'Document1'). I don't think it's a R04 issue because I'm pretty sure that it happened before I upgraded. I don't get the problem when trying to save from other applications (e.g. Techwriter, Artworks, ImgMaster) just OvPro. And it happens whether or not Prophet has a window open. If I do an Alt-Break then it offers to quit Prophet. I might try the reset idea but only when I'm feeling brave and don't have any urgent work to do on the machine ... David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 21 03:03:16 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA146089 for opro ; Wed, 21 Feb 101 03:03:10 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 982718751:20:25800:14; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 01:25:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2025709; 21 Feb 2001 1:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA15176 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 00:29:59 GMT Received: from mail1.svr.pol.co.uk (mail1.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.18]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA15173 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 00:29:58 GMT Received: from modem-34.leopard-shark.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.37.162] helo=modem-34) by mail1.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 14VMyl-000336-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 00:18:00 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: Ovation Pro List <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 00:28:59 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: clearing highlighted text Message-ID: <4a500a056brayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <Marcel-1.53-0220101956-313ZSTv@tinshill.force9.net> References: <4a4f984fcdkh@waikato.ac.nz> <Marcel-1.53-0220101956-313ZSTv@tinshill.force9.net> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02d (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <Marcel-1.53-0220101956-313ZSTv@tinshill.force9.net>, Anthony Hilton <ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk> wrote: > Easy way to force a redraw is to press Ctrl-I twice (toggles invisible > characters on and off (or off and on) back to how you were working. I usually just hit F12 and then Return. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 020 8864 7208 | the audio and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 21 13:58:08 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA146090 for opro ; Wed, 21 Feb 101 13:58:07 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 982726503:10:03797:13; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 03:35:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1003729; 21 Feb 2001 3:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA15758 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 03:04:24 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA13919 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 21:24:18 GMT Received: from wealdcom.demon.co.uk ([212.229.199.148]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 14VKGd-000JYE-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 21:24:15 +0000 Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 20:51:06 GMT From: Stuart Murden To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: sorting by first line Message-ID: <f912f64f4a.Stuart@wealdcom.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Wealdcom User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.03) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi all, I sometimes have a requirement to sort text alphabetically by first line. Typically it would be random lists of first lines. The way that I do it is to save the text as a text file drop into Eureka and sort that way. This only works if I export a list of first lines. A clever thing would be to be able to sort whole poems or songs by first lines. Is there an applet that does this ... maybe by recognising repeated carriage returns ... maybe the app could be configurable to sort after particular combinations of key presses. Maybe there is an applet that does this already. Stuart. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 21 13:58:13 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA146091 for opro ; Wed, 21 Feb 101 13:58:09 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 982725335:20:08067:13; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 03:15:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2114391; 21 Feb 2001 3:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA15738 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 03:04:06 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA15735 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 03:04:04 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14VPZS-000MpB-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 03:04:03 +0000 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 01:15:47 GMT Message-Id: <146073@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: String too long error X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Update... someone sent me a copy of the demo version. This is doing an 'abort on data transfer' when the save box is open. So I can now play with this and see what I can work out. This sort of abort is what would happen if something was accessing memory it should not be. >on a hunch I removed all my applets. The error problem goes away. I've >discovered that three applets cause the error. These are !ColSupp, >!Fill, and !Ovation1. Remove these three and leave all the rest - no >problem. Put any one of them back, and the error returns. Does this give >a clue? Yup the sort of bug that depends on the contents of memory. One scenario is Prohpet looks at the save box, and then attempts to access the memory for say the text string in it. That memory isn't where it is assumed to be, and you then get different errors depending on what happens to be in memory. I find that many OPro windows cause the problem. For example the zoom window and the spell check error or edit dictionary window. None of my other programs seem to cause the problem. Its also easy to get out of the loop of errors by hitting escape or keeping the mouse button down (which stops Prophet) and then using escape to get rid of the problem window. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 21 13:58:17 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA146093 for opro ; Wed, 21 Feb 101 13:58:14 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 982727415:10:19443:13; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 03:50:15 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1110165; 21 Feb 2001 3:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA15757 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 03:04:22 GMT Received: from mail2.b7.co.uk ([212.134.223.30]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA13165 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 20:12:39 GMT Received: from wild0308.bsdial.net (pool-197.businessserve.com [212.135.90.197]) by mail2.b7.co.uk (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id f1KKHDo01866 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 20:17:18 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Colin Wildart To: OvationPro List <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 20:12:13 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: String too long error Message-ID: <4a4ff28355colinart@wildart.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On 19 Feb, David Graddol <david@english.co.uk> wrote: > Any idea why this should happen? There seems to be no support now > for the accounts package on Riscos so if there is a fix at the > OvPro end it would be useful. Hi David I am sure Quentin would object, not sure if he reads this list - so I will do it for him. There is support for Prohpet it is actively supported at Quentin Pain support@accountz.com Hope this helps - Oh, and I don't get this error at all when using both packages. Cheers Colin -- Colin Woolf Watercolour Artist - Fine Art Paintings Illustrations, Limited Edition Prints & Cards please visit the Web Site to see latest works for sale _ www.wildart.co.uk colinart@wildart.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 21 13:58:18 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA146094 for opro ; Wed, 21 Feb 101 13:58:14 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 982725659:20:04366:13; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 03:20:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2119081; 21 Feb 2001 3:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA15743 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 03:04:14 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA15740 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 03:04:11 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14VPZX-000MpB-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 03:04:08 +0000 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 01:22:20 GMT Message-Id: <146075@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Black Clipboard X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >a "select all" block of text. That works OK for me. So unless it is something special about the text. Actually when you copy text, the background in the clip board is taken from the background of the frame it is in. So we'd still be back to what is odd about that frame. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 21 13:58:25 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA146097 for opro ; Wed, 21 Feb 101 13:58:23 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 982754811:10:14015:14; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 11:26:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1107443; 21 Feb 2001 11:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA17085 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 11:22:58 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA17082 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 11:22:55 GMT Received: from talibard.demon.co.uk ([158.152.207.34]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 14VXMF-000PV2-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 11:22:55 +0000 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 11:23:30 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael Talibard Subject: Problem with Fill To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: <Marcel-1.46-0221112330-0b03qTe@talibard.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Sorry if this has been raised before . . . When I attempt to use the Fill applet, one of two things happens: If I have ticked the option 'Spread one fill over selection', then clicking on OK produces an immediate crash of OvPro, with a message as follows (where I have put 'a', understand this could be any alphanumeric): Internal error, no stack for trap handler: Prefetch Abort, pc=Eaaaaaaa: registers at 00132B48 If I have not ticked that option, then clicking OK results in the chosen fill being applied to the frame, but a microsecond later comes a crash of OvPro with a Type 5 error. I am using Ovation Pro version 2.60 with Fill Applet version 1.03 on a RiscPC machine with RiscOs 4.03 and a Kinetic card. Can anyone tell me whether the problem is with Ovation or with RO4.03 or with Kinetic or what? I will be sending a similar enquiry to Castle Tec. -- Michael Talibard -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 21 13:58:27 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA146098 for opro ; Wed, 21 Feb 101 13:58:25 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 982762948:20:00988:19; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 13:42:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2000842; 21 Feb 2001 13:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA17712 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 13:39:13 GMT Received: from mail1.hw.ac.uk (mail1.hw.ac.uk [137.195.170.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA17709 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 13:39:11 GMT Received: from mail-r1.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.101.211] ident=exim) by mail1.hw.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 14VZU2-0003NE-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 13:39:06 +0000 Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.32.15]) by mail-r1.hw.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 14VZSS-0003D9-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 13:37:28 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 13:30:28 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Irremovable object Message-ID: <4a5051916aC.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a5048005brod@argonet.co.uk> References: <146073@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4a5048005brod@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02d (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4a5048005brod@argonet.co.uk>, Mr R O Davis <rod@argonet.co.uk> wrote: > I have tried selecting it but the cursor never turns to > an arrow. From vague memories I have tried to select > it by 'drawing a box round it' while holding down > every combination of ALT CTR etc but that won't > select it either. Ctrl+shift+SELECT is the normal way of dragging a box around an object to select it. Chris... -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) mailto: Chris@bulldog.u-net.com (at home) ovpro web site http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 21 13:58:31 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA146099 for opro ; Wed, 21 Feb 101 13:58:28 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 982760967:10:18995:13; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 13:09:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1016730; 21 Feb 2001 13:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA17485 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 13:00:11 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA17482 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 13:00:09 GMT Received: from userat29.uk.uudial.com (62.188.137.132) [62.188.137.132] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 14VYsF-0001VF-00; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 13:00:03 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mr R O Davis To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 12:45:58 +0100 Subject: Irremovable object Message-ID: <4a5048005brod@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <146073@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <146073@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02c (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I suppose there is an easy solution to my problem... there always is!! I have been making a chart in OP with lots of boxes which were connected with arrowa I drew with the line tool. I put arrow heads on them. My problem is that in error I seem to have got an arrow fixed on the scree and I cannot delete it. I think I may have made it zero length or zero width but whatever I do I cannot select it. It also sometimes seems invisible on the screen BUT irritatingly it always prints out. I have tried selecting it but the cursor never turns to an arrow. From vague memories I have tried to select it by 'drawing a box round it' while holding down every combination of ALT CTR etc but that won't select it either. Is there a way of getting rid of it? I do not want to redo the whole page as it is several hours' work. The best I can do is to cover it up with a box - that stops it printing... but, of course, that is not where I want a box to be!! Any ideas? -- /\ _ \ |==============| / / / \__\ |===================| | Rodger Davis | /_/ / / / \ | rod@argonet.co.uk | |==============| / \_/\_/ /___) |===================| -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 21 17:26:13 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA146109 for opro ; Wed, 21 Feb 101 17:26:11 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 982768882:10:02977:14; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 15:21:22 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1001953; 21 Feb 2001 15:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA18047 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 15:13:06 GMT Received: from kx1-gui.server.which.net (kx1-gui.server.which.net [194.168.97.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA18044 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 15:13:05 GMT Received: from waddell.which.net ([194.168.105.95]) by kx1-gui.server.which.net (InterMail vK.4.02.00.10 201-232-116-110 license e70b2acfbd69d84cc925654164bd8fad) with SMTP id <20010221151304.HHOH5704.kx1-gui@waddell.which.net> for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 15:13:04 +0000 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 13:04:04 +0000 (GMT) From: John Waddell Subject: Re: clearing highlighted text To: Ovation mail list <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a4f984fcdkh@waikato.ac.nz> Message-ID: <Marcel-1.53-0221130404-0b08atE@waddell.which.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 20 Feb, Keith Hopper wrote: > On 20 Feb, Peter Prewett <pprewett@chariot.net.au> wrote: > > > If I highlight some text I am unable to deselect it by using Ctrl Z or > > clicking on another area or trying to delete, Even saving and reloading > > does not work after pressing, clicking, cursing etc. it goes:-)) must be > > more careful next time it occurs and try to follow/remember steps taken. > > I have occasionally had this and it seems to be a matter of redrawing > not taking place until forced - eg by scrolling out of and into sight > again. Since it was (for me) a minor hiccup I haven't done anything about > it! > > kh I too have experienced this fairly regularly. I also have not worried about it - complacent eh? I simply select click in the margin outside the frame within which text is laid out. -- John Waddell, Langbank, Renfrewshire -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 21 17:26:16 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA146110 for opro ; Wed, 21 Feb 101 17:26:14 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 982770635:10:00744:13; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 15:50:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1108745; 21 Feb 2001 15:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA18240 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 15:47:28 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA18237 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 15:47:24 GMT Received: from mk-net.demon.co.uk ([194.222.12.18] helo=Tonys) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14VbUB-0007TY-0K; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 15:47:23 +0000 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 15:44:02 GMT From: Tony van der Hoff To: rod@argonet.co.uk Cc: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Irremovable object Message-ID: <ddcb5d504a.Tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk> References: <146073@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4a5048005brod@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a5048005brod@argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: CCC User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <4a5048005brod@argonet.co.uk> Mr R O Davis <rod@argonet.co.uk> wrote: > I suppose there is an easy solution to my problem... > there always is!! > > I have been making a chart in OP with lots of boxes > which were connected with arrowa I drew with the line > tool. I put arrow heads on them. > I do a lot of lines/arrows in my technical documents. Which brings me back to my old whinge about lines/arrows being a bit naff, but low priority, in OPro. > My problem is that in error I seem to have got an arrow > fixed on the scree and I cannot delete it. I think I > may have made it zero length or zero width but > whatever I do I cannot select it. It also sometimes > seems invisible on the screen BUT irritatingly it > always prints out. I've seen this problem many times, but I thought David had fixed it; it appears not; I've just replicated it in 2.60. The effect's caused by inconsistent parameters for the line (e.g. zero width/height). The line is logically at a different place in the page to where it's drawn. > > I have tried selecting it but the cursor never turns to > an arrow. From vague memories I have tried to select > it by 'drawing a box round it' while holding down > every combination of ALT CTR etc but that won't > select it either. CTRL-Shift drag is the correct combination. > > Is there a way of getting rid of it? I do not want to > redo the whole page as it is several hours' work. > The best I can do is to cover it up with a box - that > stops it printing... but, of course, that is not where > I want a box to be!! > Select all objects in the page by doing the drag as above, then adjust-click to deselect all the objects you don't want to delete. You'll be left with some object drag ears at the position that OPro imagines the line to be. Now you can delete it. -- Tony van der Hoff | MailTo:tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk | MailTo:avanderhoff@iee.org Buckinghamshire, England | http:mk-net.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 21 17:26:22 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA146112 for opro ; Wed, 21 Feb 101 17:26:20 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 982772711:10:05019:64; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 16:25:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1005440; 21 Feb 2001 16:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA18418 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 16:20:48 GMT Received: from hinge3.mistral.co.uk (hinge3.mistral.co.uk [195.184.228.58]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA18414 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 16:20:46 GMT Received: from s.v.ellacott.mistral.co.uk (d224-207.dial.mistral.co.uk [195.184.224.207]) by hinge3.mistral.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA01389 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 16:20:36 GMT Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 15:58:17 +0000 (GMT) From: Steve Ellacott Subject: Re: sorting by first line To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <f912f64f4a.Stuart@wealdcom.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <Marcel-1.53-0221155817-d07Z6pN@s.v.ellacott.mistral.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: University of Brighton X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 20 Feb, Stuart Murden wrote: > > This only works if I export a list of first lines. A clever thing would be > to be able to sort whole poems or songs by first lines. Is there an applet > that does this ... maybe by recognising repeated carriage returns ... > maybe the app could be configurable to sort after particular combinations of > key presses. > > Maybe there is an applet that does this already. > Dunno about an applet. It would be fairly trivial to write a Perl script to do it on a text file, provided there was some sensible way of identifying the terminator of each song (e.g. an empty line). If no one fancies writing an applet, contact me directly. Steve -- Steve Ellacott, School of Computing and Mathematical Sciences, University of Brighton, Moulsecoomb, BN2 4GJ, UK Tel: Home (01273) 885845 Office: (01273) 642544 Fax: Home (01273) 270183 Office: (01273) 642405 WWW: http://www.it.brighton.ac.uk/staff/swe -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 21 19:29:51 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA146124 for opro ; Wed, 21 Feb 101 19:29:49 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 982776764:10:25053:20; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 17:32:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1127946; 21 Feb 2001 17:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA18665 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 17:26:47 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA18662 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 17:26:45 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14Vd2K-000GZn-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 17:26:44 +0000 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 14:01:32 GMT Message-Id: <146101@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Problem with Fill X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I suspect you've got the latest Ovation Pro but a very old copy of the fill applet. Solution, install the fill applet from off your CD. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 21 21:42:33 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA146130 for opro ; Wed, 21 Feb 101 21:42:31 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 982787076:20:03799:17; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 20:24:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2003494; 21 Feb 2001 20:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA19112 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 20:22:12 GMT Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-10.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA19109 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 20:22:10 GMT Received: from [212.238.81.99] (helo=neptune.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.14 #2) id 14Vfm1-0003dt-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 20:22:08 +0000 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 19:56:40 +0100 (GMT) From: Nico ter Haar Subject: Re: clearing highlighted text To: OVATIONP-L <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <Marcel-1.53-0220201842-0b03nLi@janvredenb.access.ch> Message-ID: <Marcel-1.53-0221185640-0b0Xuqh@neptune.demon.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Neptune, the Netherlands. X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In <URL:news:local.ovationpro> on Tue 20 Feb, Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch wrote: > On Tue 20 Feb, David Pilling wrote: > > snip > > > > As you say sometimes it can be difficult to clear marking, and sometimes > > there can be redraw errors with it. But these are easy enough to sort out. > > Click the caret into another document or wipe another window over the area. > > iconising ? re-opening will work as well -- Nico ter Haar, StrongARM 202MHz / RISC OS 4 at home! Hoe stel ik mijn netwerk in --> riscos pagina's op de website mailto:nico@neptune.demon.nl http://www.neptune.demon.nl/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Feb 22 03:10:23 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA146151 for opro ; Thu, 22 Feb 101 03:10:21 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 982791952:10:11960:93; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 21:45:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1014312; 21 Feb 2001 21:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA19389 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 21:43:23 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA19386 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 21:43:21 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14Vh2e-000LUF-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 21:43:21 +0000 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 19:35:14 GMT Message-Id: <146128@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: String too long error X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R One more thought about this... It is something to do with the caret. I've seen it go wrong in any OPro window which has the caret, and if I stop OPro insering the caret in a window (window here excludes document windows) then there's no problem until I click in an icon and give it the input focus. The problem is that it only happens in OPro, other programs which are using the same code for their windows like David Pilling's scanning software are OK. I would guess Prophet is tracking the caret, but what is wrong with the OPro icons to upset it I do not know. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Feb 22 15:42:20 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA146196 for opro ; Thu, 22 Feb 101 15:42:18 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 982855224:10:25618:16; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 15:20:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1100639; 22 Feb 2001 15:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA21718 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 15:14:31 GMT Received: from bonn.shuttle.de (bonn.shuttle.de [194.95.249.247]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA20617 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 06:35:17 GMT Received: by bonn.shuttle.de (Postfix, from userid 10) id 1F42117D32; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 07:35:18 +0100 (CET) Received: from hmg-koeln.de by Arktur.hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m12MuF2-000fIEC; Mon, 21 Feb 100 15:55 MET Message-ID: <3A93D4CC.FE513335@hmg-koeln.de> Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 15:46:36 +0100 From: Jochen Konietzko Organization: Heinrich-Mann-Gymnasium X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [de] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Proactive Buttons References: <146024@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro David Pilling wrote: > > If you've been following this mini-saga of Colin Woolfs desire to have > button bar buttons that show the state of the lock to grid and frame flags. > The complete bugfixed and buffed applet is now available from the third > party Ovation Pro support site... > and the name of the applet is...? Cheers, Jochen Konietzko ***** this was bounced because it was posted from an address thats not a member of the list... anyway its called 'Lockswtch' ******* -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Feb 22 21:37:30 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA146204 for opro ; Thu, 22 Feb 101 21:37:28 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 982865003:20:20181:32; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 18:03:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2019888; 22 Feb 2001 18:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA22187 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 18:00:29 GMT Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA22184 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 18:00:27 GMT Received: from talibard.demon.co.uk ([158.152.207.34]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 14W02W-0005SO-0V for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 18:00:28 +0000 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 18:00:48 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael Talibard Subject: Re: no more Problem with Fill To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <146101@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <Marcel-1.46-0222180048-0b03qTe@talibard.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Wed 21 Feb, David Pilling wrote: > I suspect you've got the latest Ovation Pro but a very old > copy of the fill applet. Solution, install the fill applet > from off your CD. That was it! All my other applets were as per the CD, but for some strange reason, my !Fill was 1.03 instead of 1.04. Many thanks - you are a marvel! -- Michael Talibard -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Feb 23 02:53:07 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA146230 for opro ; Fri, 23 Feb 101 02:53:05 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 982892890:10:04753:13; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 01:48:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1004700; 23 Feb 2001 1:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA23237 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 01:45:22 GMT Received: from cmailg6.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg6.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.176]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA22596 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 20:44:01 GMT Received: from modem-115.iowa.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.66.115] helo=redhotant.com) by cmailg6.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 14W2an-00000T-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 20:44:02 +0000 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 20:42:01 +0000 From: Mark Daniel To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Printing vectors at an offset Message-ID: <13eafc504a%Mark@freeserve.co.uk> X-Organization: Mad Cow Software X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b User-Agent: POPstar/2.02 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, I have recently come across a problem with printing from OvnPro, I don't know if it's the printer driver or OvPro's fault but I was wondering if anyone else had experienced it or how it might be fixed. Basically when the file is printed at high res artworks and draw files both in frames and embedded in the text are printed are printed at a considerable offset to the rest of the document, aprox 3mm further up the page than they appear when rendered on the screen or printed in draft. I have only experienced/noticed this fairly recently (first noticed mid january) and AFAIK nothing has changed apart from the new version of OvPro (2.62) I have printers 1.64 and using the Epson stylus colour 600 driver with my Epson Stylus Color 660 printer. It is apparent at res >= 720dpi Thanks, Mark. -- You only get *B*est *S*oftware *E*ver from Mad Cow Software E-mail <mark@madsoft.freeserve.co.uk> WWW http://madsoft.cjb.net ICQ UIN - 26495898 ------- >>Take the bull by the hand and avoid mixed metaphors. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Feb 23 02:53:09 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA146231 for opro ; Fri, 23 Feb 101 02:53:08 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 982892945:10:05490:14; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 01:49:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1005092; 23 Feb 2001 1:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA23239 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 01:45:24 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA23235 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 01:45:21 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14W7IQ-000CZ6-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 01:45:22 +0000 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 22:42:57 GMT Message-Id: <146215@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Printing vectors at an offse X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Basically when the file is printed at high res artworks and draw files >both in frames and embedded in the text are printed are printed at a >considerable offset to the rest of the document, aprox 3mm further up the >page than they appear when rendered on the screen or printed in draft. This brings to mind the old problem about font manager and Draw module output floating about relative to one another as print scale or resolution changes. Interesting in itself, ISTR Robin Watts was working on a fix about the time all the programmers departed from ROSL. I suppose the test is to try your doc on a printer driver that does not suffer from this problem i.e. a CC Turbo driver (or I think PostScript). Or use something like SPrinter (on my web site) and observe if the stuff shifts around with print resolution. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Feb 24 16:45:38 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA146294 for opro ; Sat, 24 Feb 101 16:45:36 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 983032688:10:02320:20; Sat, 24 Feb 2001 16:38:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1111907; 24 Feb 2001 16:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA28421 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 24 Feb 2001 16:31:25 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA28418 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Sat, 24 Feb 2001 16:31:24 GMT Received: from userat57.uk.uudial.com (62.188.137.160) [62.188.137.160] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 14WhbO-0002FR-00; Sat, 24 Feb 2001 16:31:23 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Dr P.N.Young" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 16:27:28 +0000 (GMT) Subject: !POBar and spellcheck. Message-ID: <4a51ed47bapnyoung@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02d (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro An oddity, maybe, rather than a bug? If I put a bar-code into a document, the spelling checker, not surprisingly, doesn't recognise it and puts a red line under it (I like to have the red line on, as my spelling and typing are as bad as each other.) Then when you run the 'check document' option, and chose 'ignore' from the spelling menu, the red line then only sometimes disappears. Then if you run the checker again and chose 'replace' this time, the bar-code gets replaced with a truncated version of itself. Anyone know why? BTW, can I use the bar-code on the inside of an envelope window, or does it have to be on the envelope itself? TIA, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. Anne \ / __ __ \ England. Cecilia / / \ | | |\ | / _ \http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/pnyoung James / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \_____________ pnyoung@argonet.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 26 16:12:44 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA146308 for opro ; Mon, 26 Feb 101 16:12:14 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 983052073:20:24290:17; Sat, 24 Feb 2001 22:01:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2109151; 24 Feb 2001 22:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA29364 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 24 Feb 2001 21:57:57 GMT Received: from dino.intonet.co.uk (root@dino.intonet.co.uk [62.232.111.3]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA29361 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Sat, 24 Feb 2001 21:57:55 GMT Received: from marteng.intonet.co.uk (user149.intonet.co.uk [62.232.111.81]) by dino.intonet.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA19130 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Sat, 24 Feb 2001 21:57:52 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Marten Gallagher To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 20:30:26 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: !POBar and spellcheck. Message-ID: <4a52038699marteng@intonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a51ed47bapnyoung@argonet.co.uk> References: <4a51ed47bapnyoung@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02d (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R [Snip] > BTW, can I use the bar-code on the inside of an envelope window? Yes Slainte -- Marten Gallagher - marten@annerykiln.co.uk http://www.annerykiln.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 26 16:13:18 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA146310 for opro ; Mon, 26 Feb 101 16:12:53 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 983099205:20:25512:13; Sun, 25 Feb 2001 11:06:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2025318; 25 Feb 2001 11:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA31060 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 25 Feb 2001 11:04:01 GMT Received: from scrabble.freeuk.net (scrabble.freeuk.net [212.126.144.6]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA31057 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Sun, 25 Feb 2001 11:03:57 GMT Received: from du-006-0212.freeuk.com ([212.126.147.212] helo=freeuk.net) by scrabble.freeuk.net with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1) id 14Wyy3-0000H5-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 25 Feb 2001 11:03:57 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Brock To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 09:55:50 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Stopping the Clipboard window down-sizing Message-ID: <4a524d42d8badger.set@freeuk.com> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02d (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi I am using OvnPro 2.62 and John Pettigrew's Clipbrds 1.13 to manage multiple clipboards. I view a clipboard with, for example 10 lines of text and adjust the window size of the clipboard to show all the lines. I then change to view a clipboard with only (eg) 2 lines of text and the clipboard window shrinks to fit it. When I change back to the 10 line clipboard, the window stays shrunk and I have to manually re-size it to see the whole contents. Is there a way of either setting Clipbrds to re-size upwards when there are more lines of text, or to keep the window size constant once set? I have looked through !OvnPro.Applets.!Clipbrds.Library.Clipboards but can't identify any variables which might do this. TIA -- Richard Brock -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 26 16:17:09 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA146320 for opro ; Mon, 26 Feb 101 16:17:06 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 983050058:10:15933:14; Sat, 24 Feb 2001 21:27:38 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1015415; 24 Feb 2001 21:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA29173 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 24 Feb 2001 21:08:20 GMT Received: from norwegia.access.ch (mail.access.ch [195.112.71.134]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA29170 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Sat, 24 Feb 2001 21:08:17 GMT Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (megapop10-6.access.ch [212.161.131.6]) by norwegia.access.ch (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA21695 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Sat, 24 Feb 2001 22:08:17 +0100 Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 22:05:25 +0100 (GMT) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: !POBar and spellcheck. To: OVATIONP-L <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a51ed47bapnyoung@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: <Marcel-1.53-0224210525-d073nLi@janvredenb.access.ch> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: tevens Secretariaat Stichting Van Vredenburch X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sat 24 Feb, Dr P.N.Young wrote: > An oddity, maybe, rather than a bug? > > If I put a bar-code into a document, the spelling checker, not > surprisingly, doesn't recognise it and puts a red line under it (I like to > have the red line on, as my spelling and typing are as bad as each other.) > Then when you run the 'check document' option, and chose 'ignore' from the > spelling menu, the red line then only sometimes disappears. Then if you > run the checker again and chose 'replace' this time, the bar-code gets > replaced with a truncated version of itself. Anyone know why? Have not tested this out. The limited amount of characters in the PO-bar font might be of importance though. > BTW, can I use the bar-code on the inside of an envelope window, or does > it have to be on the envelope itself? I use both and find that in both cases delivery is much faster than without the bar-code. Three important points: a. the bottom 1,5 cm's of the enveloppe should be left free for the post office (they add there own code in this area) b. not all window enveloppes like the heat of a laser printer c. check that the code is at 14 pts and always visible, i.e. that the address part of the letter inside a window enveloppe cannot move "out-of-sight". My local post office is always very pleased with the coding I add. JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch tel +41 41 3706125 | RiscOS Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 26 19:18:29 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA146357 for opro ; Mon, 26 Feb 101 19:18:24 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 983212890:10:17384:14; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 18:41:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1017244; 26 Feb 2001 18:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA02808 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 18:39:29 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA02805 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 18:39:27 GMT Received: from userca95.uk.uudial.com (62.188.150.163) [62.188.150.163] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 14XSYP-0001WF-00; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 18:39:25 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Dr P.N.Young" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 18:27:49 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: !POBar and spellcheck. Message-ID: <4a52fff86fpnyoung@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <146299@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <146299@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02d (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <146299@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling <opro@pilling.demon.co.uk> wrote: > >If I put a bar-code into a document, the spelling checker, not > >surprisingly, doesn't recognise it and puts a red line under it (I like > >to have the red line on, as my spelling and typing are as bad as each > >other.) Then when you run the 'check document' option, and chose > >'ignore' from the spelling menu, the red line then only sometimes > >disappears. Then if you run the checker again and chose 'replace' this > >time, the bar-code gets replaced with a truncated version of itself. > >Anyone know why? > There's no magic, a bar code is just a sequence of 'letters', it's the > font that makes it look odd (try removing the POBar font to see). The > red underlining does not change when words are added to a dictionary - > ideally it would. No doubt if you refresh the window the underline will > go. Thanks for this, but refreshing the window doesn't in fact remove the red line in this case; it does so with other 'ignored' words! > As to the truncation the spell checker only goes up to a space (or > various other delimiters). Ah, I see, the gap between the two parts of the post-code? However, I have just tried turning the bar-code back into a conventional font, and there isn't a gap. So I still don't understand the truncation. TIA for any more enlightenment! Best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. Anne \ / __ __ \ England. Cecilia / / \ | | |\ | / _ \http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/pnyoung James / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \_____________ pnyoung@argonet.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 26 19:18:41 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA146359 for opro ; Mon, 26 Feb 101 19:18:32 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 983206564:20:12159:30; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 16:56:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2010255; 26 Feb 2001 16:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA02212 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 16:14:34 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA02209 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 16:14:32 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14XQGW-000080-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 16:12:48 +0000 Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 03:01:40 GMT Message-Id: <146299@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: !POBar and spellcheck. X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >If I put a bar-code into a document, the spelling checker, not >surprisingly, doesn't recognise it and puts a red line under it (I like to >have the red line on, as my spelling and typing are as bad as each other.) >Then when you run the 'check document' option, and chose 'ignore' from the >spelling menu, the red line then only sometimes disappears. Then if you >run the checker again and chose 'replace' this time, the bar-code gets >replaced with a truncated version of itself. Anyone know why? There's no magic, a bar code is just a sequence of 'letters', it's the font that makes it look odd (try removing the POBar font to see). The red underlining does not change when words are added to a dictionary - ideally it would. No doubt if you refresh the window the underline will go. As to the truncation the spell checker only goes up to a space (or various other delimiters). >BTW, can I use the bar-code on the inside of an envelope window, or does >it have to be on the envelope itself? I would have said outside, but presumeably their OCR equipment has to be able to read addresses through windows. According to the spec. the bar code has to be clear of other stuff, most windows won't offer enough space. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 26 21:09:21 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA146365 for opro ; Mon, 26 Feb 101 21:09:13 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 983206844:20:21539:15; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 17:00:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2129079; 26 Feb 2001 17:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA02302 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 16:28:21 GMT Received: from cmailg7.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg7.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.177]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA02299 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 16:28:19 GMT Received: from modem-220.beryllium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.3.220] helo=redhotant.com) by cmailg7.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 14XQVU-0008Ix-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 16:28:16 +0000 Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 16:27:59 +0000 From: Mark Daniel To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Printing fonts at an offset (was vectors) Message-ID: <390f5524a%mad_cow@freeserve.co.uk> X-Organization: Mad Cow Software X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b User-Agent: POPstar/2.02 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) was let out long enough to write: > > >Basically when the file is printed at high res artworks and draw files > >both in frames and embedded in the text are printed are printed at a > >considerable offset to the rest of the document, aprox 3mm further up the > >page than they appear when rendered on the screen or printed in draft. > > This brings to mind the old problem about font manager and Draw module > output floating about relative to one another as print scale or resolution > changes. > > Interesting in itself, ISTR Robin Watts was working on a fix about the > time all the programmers departed from ROSL. > > I suppose the test is to try your doc on a printer driver that does > not suffer from this problem i.e. a CC Turbo driver (or I think PostScript) > Or use something like SPrinter (on my web site) and observe if the stuff > shifts around with print resolution. > I've investigated further and these are the conclusions; * It only happens when the printer is set to >360dpi * It doesn't happen with PDF or sprite printers although I haven't been able to try SPrinter at 720dpi because the file is too large for me to view * It happens when the file is printed at <100% scale (I haven't tried >100%) * All text plotted by the font manager (including within vectors files) is offset from the rest of the document with a displacement which is directly proportional to the distance from the bottom of the page. * All other objects, vectors, bitmaps, stuff drawn by OvPro etc are not affected. What can be concluded from this and what can I do about it? See ya, Mark. -- You only get *B*est *S*oftware *E*ver from Mad Cow Software E-mail <mark@madsoft.freeserve.co.uk> WWW http://madsoft.cjb.net ICQ UIN - 26495898 ------- >>I'd love to, but I have too much guilt. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 26 21:09:28 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA146367 for opro ; Mon, 26 Feb 101 21:09:25 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 983209801:20:00058:13; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 17:50:01 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2029745; 26 Feb 2001 17:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA02606 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 17:45:45 GMT Received: from mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (mta01-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA02603 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 17:45:42 GMT Received: from mcqueen ([62.252.169.145]) by mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with SMTP id <20010226174543.MQJR283.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@mcqueen> for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 17:45:43 +0000 Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 17:32:01 +0100 From: Colin McQueen To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Black Clipboard Message-ID: <af5ef5524a.cmcqueen@cmcqueen.ntlworld.com> References: <146075@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <146075@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: The McQueen Family User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10 (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <146075@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > >a "select all" block of text. > > That works OK for me. So unless it is something special > about the text. > OK Sorry, it was 2.60. We didn't roll out 2.62 onto the thin clients :) -- Colin McQueen : Using an Acorn StrongARM Risc PC Web Domain : http://www.mcqueen.uk.net/ BSc Zoology + Oceanography : PGCE : MSc in CBL/T -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 26 21:09:38 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA146369 for opro ; Mon, 26 Feb 101 21:09:36 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 983213482:20:04427:13; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 18:51:22 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2004271; 26 Feb 2001 18:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA02910 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 18:47:40 GMT Received: from norwegia.access.ch (mail.access.ch [195.112.71.134]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA02907 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 18:47:38 GMT Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (megapop1-34.access.ch [212.161.128.34]) by norwegia.access.ch (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA13589 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 19:47:38 +0100 Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 19:24:33 +0100 (GMT) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: !POBar and spellcheck. To: OVATIONP-L <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <146299@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <Marcel-1.53-0226182433-0b03nLi@janvredenb.access.ch> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: tevens Secretariaat Stichting Van Vredenburch X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Mon 26 Feb, David Pilling wrote: > I would have said outside, but presumeably their OCR equipment has to... > be able to read addresses through windows. According to the spec. the bar > code has to be clear of other stuff, most windows won't offer enough space. Having two specific cases where an answer must be sent using the documents *and* enveloppe received, I stated that the bar code can be inside a window enveloppe. Not only that, I have one example where the reply enveloppe has a window measuring 115 x 17 mm's. That is width x heigth. The postal code in this window is indeed 14 pts. The rest of the address, as a human being can read is below that code and presumably at size 8pts, maybe 6pts. It would be very nice if national postal services would agree on a common use of postal codes, if possible with the daily users. I fear this is asking too much. As we -alas- can always not expect European countries to agree on a standard plug for everyday use of the mains. Oh yes, what is it 240 volts, or 230 volts? Just some thoughts... Greetings JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch tel +41 41 3706125 | RiscOS Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 27 00:18:21 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA146386 for opro ; Tue, 27 Feb 101 00:18:18 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 983226646:10:20239:41; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 22:30:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1020126; 26 Feb 2001 22:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA03422 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 22:26:14 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA29140 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Sat, 24 Feb 2001 20:59:00 GMT Received: from userbq09.uk.uudial.com (62.188.146.103) [62.188.146.103] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 14WlmN-00078P-00; Sat, 24 Feb 2001 20:59:00 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Mr. D.M. Wells) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 20:45:38 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.24 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Re:Printing vectors at an offset Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <E14WlmN-00078P-00@golden.argonet.co.uk> Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sat 24 Feb 2001 (16:34:55), David Pilling wrote: > This brings to mind the old problem about font manager and Draw module > output floating about relative to one another as print scale or > resolution > changes. > I've had a text positioning problem which sounds as if it might be similar. A large text heading which almost filled the width of an OPro frame was centred OK on screen, but when the document was printed on a Canon BJC7100 with Photoreal printer (in !Printers 1.54 on RPC with StrongArm & RISCOS 3.7) the text was displaced slightly to the right, ie no longer centred in the frame. But, when the same document was printed to a Postscript file for subsequent imagesetting, the final printed imagesetter output (and also my test RiScript output) from the Postscript was perfectly centred (much to my relief!). I remember DP telling me this was probably a bug in !Printers, and to try !Printers 1.64: I downloaded that, but failed to make it operate in my RISCOS 3.7 RPC. Denys Wells. -- [email from dwells@argonet.co.uk (Denys Wells)] -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 27 00:18:21 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA146387 for opro ; Tue, 27 Feb 101 00:18:18 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 983226580:20:13885:14; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 22:29:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2104605; 26 Feb 2001 22:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA03425 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 22:26:16 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA32333 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Sun, 25 Feb 2001 20:24:00 GMT Received: from xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk ([212.228.137.218]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 14X7i4-000EO3-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 25 Feb 2001 20:24:01 +0000 Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 12:43:04 GMT From: John Pettigrew To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Stopping the Clipboard window down-sizing Message-ID: <9a925c524a.john@xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk> References: <4a524d42d8badger.set@freeuk.com> In-Reply-To: <4a524d42d8badger.set@freeuk.com> X-Organization: XL Cambridge User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In a previous message, Richard Brock wrote: > I am using OvnPro 2.62 and John Pettigrew's Clipbrds 1.13 to manage > multiple clipboards. [snip] > Is there a way of either setting Clipbrds to re-size upwards when there > are more lines of text, or to keep the window size constant once set? No, I didn't put anything in to do this. I'm not sure whether it's possible but if I have time I'll have a look and see. Nice to hear that someone's using the applet, though :-) John -- John Pettigrew XL Cambridge - Contract and freelance editing and writing Life sciences specialist - molecular biology, genetics, biotechnology john@xl-cambridge.com http://www.xl-cambridge.com/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 27 00:18:23 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA146388 for opro ; Tue, 27 Feb 101 00:18:22 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 983226590:20:14233:15; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 22:29:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2013712; 26 Feb 2001 22:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA03415 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 22:26:12 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA03412 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 22:26:10 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14XW5r-0009Qt-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 22:26:11 +0000 Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 21:17:18 GMT Message-Id: <146374@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: !POBar and spellcheck. X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R OK, found guilty of guessing the answer... A bar code is just a sequence of the letters A, D, F and S. This one I have here is 38 letters which is about 8 more than the max length of word the spell check code can handle. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 27 16:23:28 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA146399 for opro ; Tue, 27 Feb 101 16:23:26 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 983240895:10:04939:48; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 02:28:15 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1128482; 27 Feb 2001 2:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA04131 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 02:11:56 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA04128 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 02:11:54 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14XZcI-000M83-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 02:11:54 +0000 Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 02:05:03 GMT Message-Id: <146396@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: String too long error X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I've been discussing things with Quentin Pane of Apricote. What follows is conclusion in a nutshell... >Thanks for the info - I could duplicate >the problem everytime using the v2 demo (I could'nt do it on v3). >Yes, Prophet tracks the caret in the background as part of its text >dragging facilities (you can grab any bit of text in Prophet and drop it >elsewhere). >I cured it in v3 (a year or so ago!) by ensuring the current window was a >Prophet window. Evidently, this didn't cure it for everyone >This cures it for me, so I am sending the update off to Nick Kadomtzeff to >see if it's OK for him too. >Please feel free to pass this info on to anyone else. They can update >their Prophet discs (version 3+ users only at the moment) by returning >their discs to me: >Apricote Studios >2 Purls Bridge Farm >Manea >Cambs >PE15 0ND Perhaps he'd like return postage with the discs ;-) David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 27 16:23:45 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA146407 for opro ; Tue, 27 Feb 101 16:23:44 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 983283158:20:23621:15; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 14:12:38 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2023302; 27 Feb 2001 14:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA05512 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 14:05:19 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA05509 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 14:05:17 GMT Received: from useral18.uk.uudial.com (62.188.134.91) [62.188.134.91] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 14XkkU-0005MJ-00; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 14:05:07 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Ward To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 14:01:02 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: !POBar and spellcheck. Message-ID: <4a536b61e1johnward@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <146374@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <146374@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <146374@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling <opro@pilling.demon.co.uk> wrote: > A bar code is just a sequence of the letters A, D, F and S. A,D,F,S? Sounds more like a filing system than a bar code... I have had mixed results with bar codes in the past (when I worked on our local superstore's checkouts and had my famous "crib sheet" of codes for the heavy items, so that customers wouldn't have to lift them up or wait while I scribbled down & then keyed-in the bar code) and have found this discussion very useful; so this is just to say "thanks for the info, folks". -- John M Ward : ZFC B and a member of Convergence International --> Helping to crack RC5-64 with an Acorn RiscPC 600/SA -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 27 18:38:14 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA146419 for opro ; Tue, 27 Feb 101 18:38:11 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 983293442:10:01440:535; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 17:04:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1020397; 27 Feb 2001 17:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA05875 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 16:15:19 GMT Received: from smtp06.wxs.nl (smtp06.wxs.nl [195.121.6.58]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA05872 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 16:15:17 GMT From: Received: from delink.wxs.nl ([195.121.38.25]) by smtp06.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 4.05) with SMTP id G9FBT404.K75 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 17:15:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 17:14:22 +0100 Subject: Corrupt document? Message-ID: <4a537796b8paul@delink.nl> In-Reply-To: <146396@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <146396@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.14i (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Oh dear... My document seems to be corrupted. When I try to load it, OvationPro (2.62) quits with a Type 5 error. No need to say that the document is an nearly completed, 32 page news paper (deadline!). What can I do? Don't tell me that I have to start all over again. Kind regards, Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 27 22:14:38 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA146436 for opro ; Tue, 27 Feb 101 22:14:35 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 983300494:20:00949:19; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 19:01:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2108278; 27 Feb 2001 19:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA06267 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 18:43:11 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA06264 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 18:43:09 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14Xp5W-00094V-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 18:43:06 +0000 Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 18:39:58 GMT Message-Id: <146426@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Corrupt document? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro You could send it me to look at, as long as its not enormous. The prognosis depends on how it got corrupted, obviously if the filing system truncated it, you stand no chance. Text can usually be retrieved by loading into Edit and hacking it out. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 27 22:14:54 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA146443 for opro ; Tue, 27 Feb 101 22:14:51 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 983309561:10:29195:22; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 21:32:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1120885; 27 Feb 2001 21:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA06860 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 21:29:13 GMT Received: from snowstorm.mail.pipex.net (snowstorm.mail.pipex.net [158.43.192.97]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA06857 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 21:29:11 GMT Received: (qmail 5512 invoked from network); 27 Feb 2001 21:29:10 -0000 Received: from userql11.uk.uudial.com (HELO loopback) (62.188.180.120) by smtp-5.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 27 Feb 2001 21:29:10 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 21:17:02 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Stopping the Clipboard window down-sizing Message-ID: <4a53934cb1dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <9a925c524a.john@xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk> References: <4a524d42d8badger.set@freeuk.com> <9a925c524a.john@xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02d (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <9a925c524a.john@xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk>, John Pettigrew <john@xl-cambridge.com> wrote: > In a previous message, Richard Brock wrote: > > I am using OvnPro 2.62 and John Pettigrew's Clipbrds 1.13 to manage > > multiple clipboards. > [snip] > > Is there a way of either setting Clipbrds to re-size upwards when there > > are more lines of text, or to keep the window size constant once set? > No, I didn't put anything in to do this. I'm not sure whether it's > possible but if I have time I'll have a look and see. Nice to hear that > someone's using the applet, though :-) > John Hi John, I'm still using your Applet, don't know how I'd manage without it sometimes. I've got it configured for four clipboards, and I used it about an hour ago to manouver a lot of stuff from one document to a new one I was constructing. Cheers Dave S -- _______________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... dfs@ukgateway.net Also... df@dafs.freeserve.co.uk .. or... dave@triffid.co.uk http://www.dfs.ukgateway.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 27 22:14:59 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA146445 for opro ; Tue, 27 Feb 101 22:14:57 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 983305966:20:29531:23; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 20:32:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2029573; 27 Feb 2001 20:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA06628 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 20:30:18 GMT Received: from red.paston.co.uk (red.paston.co.uk [195.89.168.3]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA06625 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 20:30:15 GMT Received: from net15.paston.co.uk ([195.89.168.143]:1032 "HELO thilm.paston.co.uk" whoson: "thilm") by red.paston.co.uk with SMTP id <S377588AbRB0Ubn> convert rfc822-to-8bit; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 20:31:43 +0000 Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 20:28:05 +0000 (GMT) From: T C & A H Pegg Subject: Re: String too long error To: Ovation Pro <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk> Message-ID: <Marcel-1.53-0227202805-0b02rbW@thilm.paston.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id UAB06628 I have been in contact with Quentin Payne with regards to my own problem, which I emailed on 20th Feb, regarding my file increasing by a factor of ten. The answer was simple and nothing to do with OvPro. I have been using my = QMS 1660 laser printer for printing invoices since my LBP4 LaserDirect is in = for repair. The 1660 has a peculiar aversion to having vector graphics in certain parts of its print area and much prefers bitmap graphics. I therefore changed my logo from vector to bitmap graphics, about 500k, and when this is put into the templates for invoices, quotations and statemen= ts which multiplies to about 1500k and then added to the rest of the Prophet file comes to around 1800k. Ooops Quentin assures me that there should be no problems with Prophet 3+. Earl= ier versions and early demo versions would be most likely to cause problems. Regards Tim --=20 Hilary & Tim Pegg Thilmcraft Graphics =A9, Dereham Digital Centre, Wellin= gton, Dereham, Norfolk NR19 2AZ http//www.ecn.co.uk/netspace/dereham Tel/Fax(On request) No: +44(0)1362 691690 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 28 01:01:04 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA146452 for opro ; Wed, 28 Feb 101 01:01:02 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 983317345:20:08928:14; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 23:42:25 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2008175; 27 Feb 2001 23:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA07207 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 23:38:52 GMT Received: from scrabble.freeuk.net (scrabble.freeuk.net [212.126.144.6]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA07204 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 23:38:50 GMT Received: from du-013-0049.freeuk.com ([212.126.150.49] helo=freeuk.net) by scrabble.freeuk.net with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1) id 14Xthg-0001FK-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 23:38:48 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Brock To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 23:05:55 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Stopping the Clipboard window down-sizing Message-ID: <4a539d4481badger.set@freeuk.com> In-Reply-To: <9a925c524a.john@xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk> References: <4a524d42d8badger.set@freeuk.com> <9a925c524a.john@xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02d (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <9a925c524a.john@xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk>, John Pettigrew <john@xl-cambridge.com> wrote: > In a previous message, Richard Brock wrote: > > I am using OvnPro 2.62 and John Pettigrew's Clipbrds 1.13 to manage > > multiple clipboards. > [snip] > > Is there a way of either setting Clipbrds to re-size upwards when > > there are more lines of text, or to keep the window size constant > > once set? > No, I didn't put anything in to do this. I'm not sure whether it's > possible but if I have time I'll have a look and see. Nice to hear that > someone's using the applet, though :-) > John Using it?! It makes a series of tasks which I have to carry out many times each week 'do-able' where otherwise they would be 'not do-able' (and my work-load much higher). So thank you for sharing your work. And re-sizing upwards would be useful, but isn't a huge problem :-) Richard -- Richard Brock -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 28 14:00:01 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA146464 for opro ; Wed, 28 Feb 101 13:59:59 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 983336817:20:15514:20; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 05:06:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2015324; 28 Feb 2001 5:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA07867 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 05:01:39 GMT Received: from planet.ak.planet.gen.nz (planet.ak.planet.gen.nz [202.20.65.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA07864 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 05:01:34 GMT Received: from Pzed.ak.planet.gen.nz (as5200-55.ak.planet.gen.nz [202.20.65.185]) by planet.ak.planet.gen.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA12981 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 18:01:31 +1300 (NZDT) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 09:06:40 +0100 (BST) From: David Love Subject: OvationPro and the AppletsManager To: OvationPro User Group <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk> Message-ID: <Marcel-1.53-0228080640-0b02oDL@Pzed.ak.planet.gen.nz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi! I've just received OP2.60 and upgraded to 2.62, and as suggested all the applets reside in the !AppletsManager. I have written an !Obey file with two entries: one line to Run OvationPro (followed by Return) and the second line to Run !AppletsManager (followed by Return). When I run the file (from !Menon) the OvationPro icon appears on the iconbar but the !AppletsManager icon does not, although the applets are present in the application. Even more peculiar, when I quit OvationPro the !AppletsManager icon appears on the iconbar and has to be Quit separately! Has anybody any idea why this should be so and, even more importantly, how I can ensure that both icons appear when the !Obey file is run? As a matter of interest, I also use the late Graham Crow's !WorkTop application and running a series of applications from that (including OvationPro and the AppletsManager) leads to what one would expect - both icons appearing on the iconbar! David -- All political parties die at last of swallowing their own lies (John Arbuthnot (1657-1735 - Scottish physician and political pamphleteer) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 28 14:00:06 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA146466 for opro ; Wed, 28 Feb 101 14:00:04 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 983352035:20:06384:14; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 09:20:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2006248; 28 Feb 2001 9:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA08359 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 09:17:51 GMT Received: from mail.ims-firmen.de (qmailr@mail.ims-firmen.de [212.172.125.4]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA08356 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 09:17:49 GMT Received: (qmail 20712 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2001 09:21:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO shelley) (217.2.245.122) by ims-firmen.de with SMTP; 28 Feb 2001 09:21:26 -0000 Received: from uff411.ucs.de (212.108.202.179) by shelley.ucs.de; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 10:18:03 +0100 Received: from kaskaskia.ucs.de by uff411.ucs.de; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 10:17:48 +0100 Received: from martinv by kaskaskia.ucs.de with local (RemoteNB 1.08beta2) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; 28 Feb 2001 10:17:44 +0100 Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 10:17:44 +0100 From: Martin Vethake To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvationPro and the AppletsManager Message-ID: <0048d5534a.martinv@kaskaskia.ucs.de> References: <Marcel-1.53-0228080640-0b02oDL@Pzed.ak.planet.gen.nz> In-Reply-To: <Marcel-1.53-0228080640-0b02oDL@Pzed.ak.planet.gen.nz> X-Organization: U C S User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10 (RemoteNB/1.08beta2) (RISC-OS/3.70) X-Editor: Zap 1.44 (14 Jan 2001) [TEST 4], ZapEmail 0.25 (20 Sep 2000) test-5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <Marcel-1.53-0228080640-0b02oDL@Pzed.ak.planet.gen.nz> you wrote: > When I run the file (from !Menon) the OvationPro icon appears on the > iconbar but the !AppletsManager icon does not, although the applets are > present in the application. Even more peculiar, when I quit OvationPro > the !AppletsManager icon appears on the iconbar and has to be Quit > separately! > Well, running anything from a plain Obey file will return control only after the called program quits. You can either set Your Obey to TaskObey (&FD7) or make separate Obey's. Regards -- Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 28 14:00:11 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA146468 for opro ; Wed, 28 Feb 101 14:00:08 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 983354859:20:25041:20; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 10:07:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2024549; 28 Feb 2001 10:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA08580 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 10:04:22 GMT Received: from altrade.nijmegen.inter.nl.net (altrade.nijmegen.inter.nl.net [193.67.237.6]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA08572 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 10:04:17 GMT Received: from padua by altrade.nijmegen.inter.nl.net via 1Cust6.tnt5.rtm1.nl.uu.net [213.116.104.6] with SMTP for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk> id LAA07947 (8.8.8/1.3); Wed, 28 Feb 2001 11:04:17 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <002901c0a16d$3ca8b350$4d01a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk> References: <4a524d42d8badger.set@freeuk.com> <9a925c524a.john@xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk> <4a539d4481badger.set@freeuk.com> Subject: Re: Stopping the Clipboard window down-sizing Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 10:43:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <9a925c524a.john@xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk>, John Pettigrew <john@xl-cambridge.com> wrote: > ... Nice to hear that someone's using the applet, though :-) > > > John I like to use it, because it gives the feeling of working on multiple layers. Thanks, mrs. Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 28 14:00:16 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA146469 for opro ; Wed, 28 Feb 101 14:00:11 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 983354850:10:09266:14; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 10:07:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1129326; 28 Feb 2001 10:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA08579 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 10:04:20 GMT Received: from altrade.nijmegen.inter.nl.net (altrade.nijmegen.inter.nl.net [193.67.237.6]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA08568 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 10:04:16 GMT Received: from padua by altrade.nijmegen.inter.nl.net via 1Cust6.tnt5.rtm1.nl.uu.net [213.116.104.6] with SMTP for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk> id LAA07942 (8.8.8/1.3); Wed, 28 Feb 2001 11:04:16 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <002801c0a16d$3c02fd70$4d01a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: "Ovation Pro" <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk> References: <Marcel-1.53-0228080640-0b02oDL@Pzed.ak.planet.gen.nz> Subject: Re: OvationPro and the AppletsManager Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 10:39:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed, 19 Feb, David Love <zed@ak.planet.gen.nz> wrote: > I've just received OP2.60 and upgraded to 2.62, and as suggested all the > applets reside in the !AppletsManager. > > I have written an !Obey file with two entries: one line to Run > OvationPro (followed by Return) and the second line to Run > !AppletsManager (followed by Return). > > When I run the file (from !Menon) the OvationPro icon appears on the > iconbar but the !AppletsManager icon does not, although the applets are > present in the application. Even more peculiar, when I quit OvationPro > the !AppletsManager icon appears on the iconbar and has to be Quit > separately! I open both with !Menon from a submenu DTP. I haven't 'linked' them. I also don't let them be present on start-up or defined shortcuts. This can also be done in !Menon. I assume you want them both open to have information ready about the applets. > > Has anybody any idea why this should be so and, even more importantly, > how I can ensure that both icons appear when the !Obey file is run? This kind of things can be done with the module Windopen of David J. Ruck (Armclub, DiscKnight) <druck@armclub.org.uk> WindOpen Manipulates windows using *command's that may be placed in obey files, features include: * Ensure a task is running or issue *command. * Remove a task if running. * Open a file in an editor and move the window. * Move/resize a window and send to top/bottom. * Close a window if open. * Automatically select from a window/iconbar menu. * Type a string into a window. * Send a key press to a window including special keys. * Simulate iconbar click. * Dump positions of all open windows as WO_OpenWind commands in an obey file. This module can be downloaded <http://www.armclub.org.uk/free> With a command like 'WO_RemoveTask OvationPro' or 'WO_RemoveTask Applets' tasks can be ended. The name of the task can easily be found by opening the Taskmanager. With this module you can also make sure, that no conflicting applications get loaded at the same time. mrs. Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 28 14:00:24 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA146471 for opro ; Wed, 28 Feb 101 14:00:20 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 983355154:10:16596:24; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 10:12:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1112490; 28 Feb 2001 10:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA08532 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 09:55:44 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA08529 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 09:55:42 GMT Received: from mk-net.demon.co.uk ([194.222.12.18] helo=Tonys) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14Y3Kg-000PW1-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 09:55:43 +0000 Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 09:35:36 GMT From: Tony van der Hoff To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvationPro and the AppletsManager Message-ID: <d8ead6534a.Tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk> References: <Marcel-1.53-0228080640-0b02oDL@Pzed.ak.planet.gen.nz> In-Reply-To: <Marcel-1.53-0228080640-0b02oDL@Pzed.ak.planet.gen.nz> X-Organization: CCC User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <Marcel-1.53-0228080640-0b02oDL@Pzed.ak.planet.gen.nz> David Love <zed@ak.planet.gen.nz> wrote: > Hi! > > I've just received OP2.60 and upgraded to 2.62, and as suggested all the > applets reside in the !AppletsManager. > > I have written an !Obey file with two entries: one line to Run > OvationPro (followed by Return) and the second line to Run > !AppletsManager (followed by Return). > > When I run the file (from !Menon) the OvationPro icon appears on the > iconbar but the !AppletsManager icon does not, although the applets are > present in the application. Even more peculiar, when I quit OvationPro > the !AppletsManager icon appears on the iconbar and has to be Quit > separately! > > Has anybody any idea why this should be so and, even more importantly, > how I can ensure that both icons appear when the !Obey file is run? > The reason why: Your Obey file runs OPro.!run, and waits for it to terminate. It then runs AppletManager.!run, and waits for it to terminate. The solution: use Filer_Run instead of run to invoke the applications from your Obey file. -- Tony van der Hoff | MailTo:tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk | MailTo:avanderhoff@iee.org Buckinghamshire, England | http:mk-net.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 28 14:00:33 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA146472 for opro ; Wed, 28 Feb 101 14:00:29 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 983355331:10:20618:14; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 10:15:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1119937; 28 Feb 2001 10:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA08581 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 10:04:24 GMT Received: from altrade.nijmegen.inter.nl.net (altrade.nijmegen.inter.nl.net [193.67.237.6]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA08576 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 10:04:18 GMT Received: from padua by altrade.nijmegen.inter.nl.net via 1Cust6.tnt5.rtm1.nl.uu.net [213.116.104.6] with SMTP for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk> id LAA07953 (8.8.8/1.3); Wed, 28 Feb 2001 11:04:18 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <002a01c0a16d$3d462bd0$4d01a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: "Ovation Pro" <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk> Subject: Backup copy in 'other' format Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 10:59:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Paul Sprangers reported about a possible irrecoverable, corrupted OvPro document ... Fortunately I haven't had a very serious crash with Ovation Pro. I had it more than once with the single file format saving in Impression. In Impression I had the choice to save a document as an application. Which I preferred. In Ovation Pro I also save a doc as DDL, when ... I don't forget it or don't forget to repeat the extra save ... I would certainly like to have a configurable option to automatically save a document in more than one format with every save (DDL or -when it is available RTF of David Breakwell). I realise clearly again, that, what happened to Paul Sprangers, can happen to me too. mrs. Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 28 14:01:04 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA146481 for opro ; Wed, 28 Feb 101 14:01:03 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 983364927:10:28898:48; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 12:55:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1107374; 28 Feb 2001 12:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA09256 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 12:50:13 GMT Received: from inca.sle.sharp.co.uk (root@[193.114.241.3]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA09253 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 12:50:11 GMT Received: from sharp.co.uk (aardog.sle.sharp.co.uk [192.16.16.173]) by inca.sle.sharp.co.uk (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA02590 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 12:48:40 GMT Message-ID: <3A9CF406.2040508@sharp.co.uk> Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 12:50:14 +0000 From: Graham Jones Organization: Sharp Laboratories of Europe User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; WinNT4.0; en-US; 0.8) Gecko/20010215 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf, ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ovation Pro List <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk> Subject: Applet not changing font. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I am writing an applet which uses setsubfont() to change the font used for some characters it enters into the text. If I load a file into OPro, select some text and then use my applet, the appropriate font is found but the font change does not happen, even though the setsubfont() call is made before the characters are entered. If I load the same file, type any character (or move the caret using the cursor keys), then follow the same actions the applet acts correctly. Is this something up with OvationPro? I haven't found a way round this yet! Graham Jones. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 28 18:09:38 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA146492 for opro ; Wed, 28 Feb 101 18:09:33 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 983378018:10:11122:38; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 16:33:38 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1011102; 28 Feb 2001 16:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA09819 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 16:22:39 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA09816 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 16:22:36 GMT Received: from userew10.uk.uudial.com (RiscPC) [62.188.18.38] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 14Y9Mb-0001ya-00; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 16:22:06 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: OvationPro User Group <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 07:51:22 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: OvationPro and the AppletsManager Message-ID: <4a53cd5fd9steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <Marcel-1.53-0228080640-0b02oDL@Pzed.ak.planet.gen.nz> References: <Marcel-1.53-0228080640-0b02oDL@Pzed.ak.planet.gen.nz> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02d (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <Marcel-1.53-0228080640-0b02oDL@Pzed.ak.planet.gen.nz>, David Love <zed@ak.planet.gen.nz> wrote: > I have written an !Obey file with two entries: one line to Run > OvationPro (followed by Return) and the second line to Run > !AppletsManager (followed by Return). That second run file will not run until the first has finished, Filer_Run is the correct way of doing that type of thing IIRC. > When I run the file (from !Menon) the OvationPro icon appears on the > iconbar but the !AppletsManager icon does not, although the applets are > present in the application. Even more peculiar, when I quit OvationPro > the !AppletsManager icon appears on the iconbar and has to be Quit > separately! As above. > Has anybody any idea why this should be so and, even more importantly, > how I can ensure that both icons appear when the !Obey file is run? You say you put all the applets in applet manager? I thought the Applet manager (!Applets) sat inside !OvnPro.Applets along with all the other applets rather than containing them all. -- Steve Pampling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 28 18:09:51 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA146496 for opro ; Wed, 28 Feb 101 18:09:47 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 983382377:10:21499:24; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 17:46:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1114777; 28 Feb 2001 17:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA10095 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 17:40:13 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA10092 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 17:40:11 GMT Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 14YAaB-000DUo-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 17:40:11 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 16:55:32 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Backup copy in 'other' format Message-ID: <4a53ff31b6Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <002a01c0a16d$3d462bd0$4d01a8c0@padua> References: <002a01c0a16d$3d462bd0$4d01a8c0@padua> User-Agent: Pluto/2.01g (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 28 Feb, Tonnie Demarteau <tonnie.demarteau@inter.NL.net> wrote: > Paul Sprangers reported about a possible irrecoverable, corrupted OvPro > document ... > Fortunately I haven't had a very serious crash with Ovation Pro. I had > it more than once with the single file format saving in Impression. In > Impression I had the choice to save a document as an application. Which > I preferred. > In Ovation Pro I also save a doc as DDL, when ... I don't forget it or > don't forget to repeat the extra save ... I would certainly like to > have a configurable option to automatically save a document in more > than one format with every save (DDL or -when it is available RTF of > David Breakwell). If that's going to be done I'd like it to be possible to define the default save-type for a document as well, so that anyone who always saves as DDL doesn't have to keep remembering to change from OP to DDL. With extra types available this will become more useful too. Maybe there's an applet that does the next thing anyway, but it would be useful to have an option for successive saves to create incremented document names, so no user-initiated save would overwrite the previously saved doc (I don't think I'll ever fill my newest hard disc -- says he, the same I've though for every previous HD). I'm not sure if this should be as well as or instead of the current autosave mechanism; there have been a few times that autosave has popped to life just after I accidentally mangled the document... IIRC the autosave dialog needs a confirmatory OK (or cancel?) but I've found that if I'm not looking at the screen and press CR at the wrong moment the autosave saves (or cancels when I didn't want it to) and AAAaaaaarrrrggghhh! In my view the autosave confirm/cancel should *not* accept CR and continue; I know this would be against style standards but I'd prefer autosave (perhaps configurably) to require the user to click on something or fill in a Y and hit OK, or anything really that is much less likely to happen by accident. -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 28 19:04:12 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA146517 for opro ; Wed, 28 Feb 101 19:04:11 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 983383970:10:28481:19; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 18:12:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1112764; 28 Feb 2001 18:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA10238 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 18:09:36 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA10235 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 18:09:35 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14YB2c-0002EP-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 18:09:34 +0000 Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 18:01:06 GMT Message-Id: <146483@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Applet not changing font. X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Perhaps a call to caretcontext() first... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 28 19:04:15 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA146518 for opro ; Wed, 28 Feb 101 19:04:13 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 983383971:10:28572:15; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 18:12:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1112673; 28 Feb 2001 18:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA10243 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 18:09:40 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA10240 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 18:09:37 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14YB2f-0002EP-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 18:09:37 +0000 Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 18:01:35 GMT Message-Id: <146485@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Backup copy in 'other' format X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro turning to the unthinkable... Firstly Paul Sprangers document loads for me, so its not corrupt. When you save a document you're saving an area of memory, its designed that way to make saving fast. The point is if the document is corrupt this won't show up, and you'll clobber what may be a good copy on disc. It would be easy to add an option which checked if what was in memory was valid and warned you if it was not. Saving as DDL effectively checks for corruption, but if there is any either the save will crash or you'll save something which may not load. The conclusion then is that the defensive approach is to keep saving under different names. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 28 21:22:05 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA146519 for opro ; Wed, 28 Feb 101 21:21:52 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 983387313:20:20887:107; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 19:08:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2020860; 28 Feb 2001 19:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA10537 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 19:04:59 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA10534 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 19:04:58 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14YBuE-00069a-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 19:04:58 +0000 Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 18:13:42 GMT Message-Id: <146497@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvationPro and the AppletsManager X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >You say you put all the applets in applet manager? I thought the Applet >manager (!Applets) sat inside !OvnPro.Applets along with all the other >applets rather than containing them all. I wouldn't put it there. Actually though you can stick any !application in the Applets directory and it will be run when OPro starts up. So what you say would be a solution to the original problem. I was thinking maybe if I berate the applet manager enough the author will appear and disagree 8-) David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 28 21:22:06 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA146520 for opro ; Wed, 28 Feb 101 21:21:52 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 983387344:10:02472:26; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 19:09:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1101149; 28 Feb 2001 19:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA10552 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 19:05:40 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA09094 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 11:38:05 GMT Received: from xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk ([212.228.137.218]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 14Y4vl-000G2g-0C; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 11:38:05 +0000 Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 11:08:29 GMT From: John Pettigrew To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Proactive Buttons Message-ID: <ec6bdf534a.john@xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk> References: <146024@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <146024@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: XL Cambridge User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 Cc: davidb@argonet.co.uk, david@pilling.demon.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro [Emailed and posted] In a previous message, David Pilling wrote: > If you've been following this mini-saga of Colin Woolfs desire to have > button bar buttons that show the state of the lock to grid and frame flags. > The complete bugfixed and buffed applet is now available Sorry guys, but two small bug reports. First, there are two errant line breaks in the help text strings for the macros, so the help texts read simply 'Switch'. This is because they were copied from the email, I think, but it's easily mended. More important, but still not critical, the buttons don't update when the preferences are changed from the prefs window. HTH, John -- John Pettigrew XL Cambridge - Contract and freelance editing and writing Life sciences specialist - molecular biology, genetics, biotechnology john@xl-cambridge.com http://www.xl-cambridge.com/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 28 21:22:10 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA146521 for opro ; Wed, 28 Feb 101 21:22:08 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 983388812:20:29293:26; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 19:33:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2113076; 28 Feb 2001 19:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA10645 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 19:08:48 GMT Received: from planet.ak.planet.gen.nz (planet.ak.planet.gen.nz [202.20.65.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA10633 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 19:08:37 GMT Received: from Pzed.ak.planet.gen.nz (as5200-04.ak.planet.gen.nz [202.20.65.134]) by planet.ak.planet.gen.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA16756 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 08:08:30 +1300 (NZDT) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 07:57:14 +0100 (BST) From: David Love Subject: Re: OvationPro and the AppletsManager To: OvationPro User Group <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <d8ead6534a.Tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <Marcel-1.53-0301065714-d072oDL@Pzed.ak.planet.gen.nz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 28 Feb, Tony van der Hoff wrote: > In message <Marcel-1.53-0228080640-0b02oDL@Pzed.ak.planet.gen.nz> > David Love <zed@ak.planet.gen.nz> wrote: > > > Hi! > > When I run the file (from !Menon) the OvationPro icon appears on the > > iconbar but the !AppletsManager icon does not, although the applets are > > present in the application. Even more peculiar, when I quit OvationPro > > the !AppletsManager icon appears on the iconbar and has to be Quit > > separately! > The solution: use Filer_Run instead of run to invoke the applications from > your Obey file. Yes, Filer_Run was the solution and all is now well. I'd forgotten all about that command - old age is creeping on! Thank you. David -- All political parties die at last of swallowing their own lies (John Arbuthnot (1657-1735 - Scottish physician and political pamphleteer) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 28 21:22:11 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA146522 for opro ; Wed, 28 Feb 101 21:22:08 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 983389889:10:18083:13; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 19:51:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1114887; 28 Feb 2001 19:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA10643 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 19:08:45 GMT Received: from planet.ak.planet.gen.nz (planet.ak.planet.gen.nz [202.20.65.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA10626 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 19:08:35 GMT Received: from Pzed.ak.planet.gen.nz (as5200-04.ak.planet.gen.nz [202.20.65.134]) by planet.ak.planet.gen.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA16761 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 08:08:33 +1300 (NZDT) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 07:53:13 +0100 (BST) From: David Love Subject: Re: OvationPro and the AppletsManager To: OvationPro User Group <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a53cd5fd9steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: <Marcel-1.53-0301065313-0b02oDL@Pzed.ak.planet.gen.nz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 28 Feb, Steven Pampling wrote: > In article <Marcel-1.53-0228080640-0b02oDL@Pzed.ak.planet.gen.nz>, > David Love <zed@ak.planet.gen.nz> wrote: > > I have written an !Obey file with two entries: one line to Run > > OvationPro (followed by Return) and the second line to Run > > !AppletsManager (followed by Return). > > That second run file will not run until the first has finished, Filer_Run > is the correct way of doing that type of thing IIRC. Ah! yes, put it down to creeping old age! However did I forget the Filer_Run command. All is now well and working as intended. Thank you. > You say you put all the applets in applet manager? I thought the Applet > manager (!Applets) sat inside !OvnPro.Applets along with all the other > applets rather than containing them all. Doesn't seem to make any difference where it is but to be on the safe side <belts and braces> it is now where it should be. Regards David -- All political parties die at last of swallowing their own lies (John Arbuthnot (1657-1735 - Scottish physician and political pamphleteer) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 28 21:22:14 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA146523 for opro ; Wed, 28 Feb 101 21:22:12 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 983388967:20:03104:13; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 19:36:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2002551; 28 Feb 2001 19:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA10646 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 19:08:48 GMT Received: from planet.ak.planet.gen.nz (planet.ak.planet.gen.nz [202.20.65.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA10630 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 19:08:37 GMT Received: from Pzed.ak.planet.gen.nz (as5200-04.ak.planet.gen.nz [202.20.65.134]) by planet.ak.planet.gen.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA16764 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 08:08:35 +1300 (NZDT) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 07:54:52 +0100 (BST) From: David Love Subject: Re: OvationPro and the AppletsManager To: OvationPro User Group <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <0048d5534a.martinv@kaskaskia.ucs.de> Message-ID: <Marcel-1.53-0301065452-b492oDL@Pzed.ak.planet.gen.nz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 28 Feb, Martin Vethake wrote: > In message <Marcel-1.53-0228080640-0b02oDL@Pzed.ak.planet.gen.nz> you wrote: > > > When I run the file (from !Menon) the OvationPro icon appears on the > > iconbar but the !AppletsManager icon does not, although the applets are > > present in the application. Even more peculiar, when I quit OvationPro > > the !AppletsManager icon appears on the iconbar and has to be Quit > > separately! > > > Well, running anything from a plain Obey file will return > control only after the called program quits. You can either > set Your Obey to TaskObey (&FD7) or make separate Obey's. Yes, I now realise that and have used the Filer_Run command, as suggested by others. All is well! Thanks for your response. Regards David -- All political parties die at last of swallowing their own lies (John Arbuthnot (1657-1735 - Scottish physician and political pamphleteer) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 28 21:22:33 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA146525 for opro ; Wed, 28 Feb 101 21:22:19 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 983390790:20:18898:15; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 20:06:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2116595; 28 Feb 2001 20:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA10641 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 19:08:44 GMT Received: from planet.ak.planet.gen.nz (planet.ak.planet.gen.nz [202.20.65.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA10624 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 19:08:34 GMT Received: from Pzed.ak.planet.gen.nz (as5200-04.ak.planet.gen.nz [202.20.65.134]) by planet.ak.planet.gen.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA16749 for <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk>; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 08:08:24 +1300 (NZDT) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 08:06:21 +0100 (BST) From: David Love Subject: Re: OvationPro and the AppletsManager To: Ovation Pro <ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <002801c0a16d$3c02fd70$4d01a8c0@padua> Message-ID: <Marcel-1.53-0301070621-bc82oDL@Pzed.ak.planet.gen.nz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 28 Feb, Tonnie Demarteau wrote: > On Wed, 19 Feb, David Love <zed@ak.planet.gen.nz> wrote: > > > When I run the file (from !Menon) the OvationPro icon appears on the > > iconbar but the !AppletsManager icon does not, although the applets are > > present in the application. Even more peculiar, when I quit OvationPro > > the !AppletsManager icon appears on the iconbar and has to be Quit > > separately! > > I open both with !Menon from a submenu DTP. I haven't 'linked' them. I also > don't let them be present on start-up or defined shortcuts. This can also be > done in !Menon. Ah! nice to know that I'm not the only one still using Menon (a wonderful app) :-) I do have them linked under a Menu (sub Menu) structure: App - DTP - OP260, with a shortcut of Ctrl_O. I usually use OP in conjunction with several other apps (ImageFS, FontDir2 etc) and use WorkTop to set everything up. > I assume you want them both open to have information ready about the applets. Yes, but on reflection I ask myself "Why is it necessary?" :-) > > Has anybody any idea why this should be so and, even more importantly, > > how I can ensure that both icons appear when the !Obey file is run? > > This kind of things can be done with the module Windopen of David J. Ruck > (Armclub, DiscKnight) <druck@armclub.org.uk> <SNIP> I'll have a look at it - thanks. Regards David -- All political parties die at last of swallowing their own lies (John Arbuthnot (1657-1735 - Scottish physician and political pamphleteer) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message