From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 3 16:50:36 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA142831 for opro ; Wed, 03 Jan 101 16:50:34 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 978308859:20:15881:13; Mon, 01 Jan 2001 00:27:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2015360; 1 Jan 2001 0:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA08227 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 31 Dec 2000 23:20:05 GMT Received: from dnscache.adl.au.asiaonline.net (dnscache.adl.au.asiaonline.net [210.215.24.100]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA08214 for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2000 23:20:00 GMT Received: from pprewett.dove.net.au (as1-50.adl.au.asiaonline.net [210.215.25.50]) by dnscache.adl.au.asiaonline.net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id f010FbG08236 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 2001 11:15:38 +1100 (EST) Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 14:16:56 +1030 (GMT) From: Peter Prewett Subject: Changing pages To: Ovation Pro Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I have a need to change a 15 Mb document (imported from Impression) to landscape and rotate the contents. I have changed the master page from A4 to landscape but I cannot see the RHS of the document as the window scroll bars does not move far enough to the to show the whole document. Actually what I was attempting to do was to take a snapshot of the whole page, rotating the contents as one cannot see an A4 at full size on a monitor, and then use Paint to grab the image. Or is there a better way of doing it? To group the frames I had to select each and then group to rotate, as I found by selecting all, group is blocked out. Having selected a group and attempting to copy it across onto a new document failed as it reported not enough memory. I do have 48M of RAM. Cheers Peter -- Peter Prewett, Coromandel Valley, South Australia -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 3 16:50:56 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA142840 for opro ; Wed, 03 Jan 101 16:50:54 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 978436941:10:27826:16; Tue, 02 Jan 2001 12:02:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1027053; 2 Jan 2001 12:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA13535 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 10:52:46 GMT Received: from mail2.svr.pol.co.uk (mail2.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.210]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA13532 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 10:52:43 GMT Received: from modem-102.kurchatovium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.72.102] helo=beeston12) by mail2.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 14DPyR-0002Vn-00; Tue, 02 Jan 2001 11:51:27 +0000 Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 11:50:38 +0000 From: Robin Phillips To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Cc: ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk, rmking@ukgateway.net, alan.admams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk Subject: Re: Text flow and Default master page Message-ID: <99a188364a%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <139098@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: home X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m User-Agent: POPstar/2.02 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Dear colleagues, Way back in mid-November you all helped me with a problem over setting text flow from one frame to the next in such a way that when the last frame wasf ull it would flow on to yet another frame, as explained below by D Pilling: In message <139098@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > >What procedure do I follow to make the document with 3 frames carry on to > >further pages? > > Open the master pages, draw your three frames, link them, then link the last > to the first. You'll be asked if you want to create an 'autolinked chain'. > Select Yes. Close the master pages, and you'll find your three frames, and > when the last one fills a new page will be added. > > Although pages have one (or no) default master frame (aka principle frame), > you can set up any number of auto linked chains on the master page which > wlll behave in the same way. I now need your help on a similar problem. I have again 3 frames set on a sideways master-page. This time each is 79mm tall and 190 wide. I am trying to produce a leaflet to be printed on A4 and then folded twice parallel to the vertical edge, forming a 3-page tall folder. I have set the frames on the default master-page, linked 1 to 2, 2 to 3, and 3 to 1, at which point I am asked to confirm that I want an auto-link. I reply Yes. So far, the same as the previous query. But this time, when I start filling up the 3rd page and it reaches the foot, it produces the text overflow sign instead of producing a 4th page. What have I done wrong? Incidentally, when your replies last time mentioned Auto-link I looked it up in the printed 1886 manual. The index gave a reference to p.92, and on that page I can find nothing about it! Yes, I know I should ge getting the latest release of OPro, and I probably will shortly. I also know that Mr van Vredenbusch has been doing marvellous things with the manual. Perhaps his manual can answer this one? Yours sincerely, Robin. -- Robin Phillips, 1, Newcastle Avenue, Beeston, Notts., NG9 1BT; Phone: +44 (0)115 922 4930 E-mail: rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 3 16:50:57 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA142839 for opro ; Wed, 03 Jan 101 16:50:52 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 978343592:20:15681:13; Mon, 01 Jan 2001 10:06:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2124149; 1 Jan 2001 10:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA09788 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 1 Jan 2001 09:03:51 GMT Received: from rly-ip01.mx.aol.com (rly-ip01.mx.aol.com [205.188.156.49]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA09785 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 2001 09:03:48 GMT Received: from tot-tg1-th.proxy.aol.com (tot-tg1-th.proxy.aol.com [152.163.213.3]) by rly-ip01.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/AOL-5.0.0) with ESMTP id FAA23640 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 2001 05:02:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave (AC9233C0.ipt.aol.com [172.146.51.192]) by tot-tg1-th.proxy.aol.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f01A2R404102 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 2001 05:02:28 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <002301c073d9$e3bd37e0$e52a7d3e@dave> From: "Dave" To: References: Subject: Re: Changing pages Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 10:02:00 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Apparently-From: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > Actually what I was attempting to do was to take a snapshot of the whole > page, rotating the contents as one cannot see an A4 at full size on a > monitor, and then use Paint to grab the image. > > Or is there a better way of doing it? > The best way would be to print to a sprite using David Pilling's Sprinter application which I think you'll find on his web site. Dave -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 3 16:51:07 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA142846 for opro ; Wed, 03 Jan 101 16:51:05 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 978451252:10:05304:16; Tue, 02 Jan 2001 16:00:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1005033; 2 Jan 2001 16:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA14388 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 14:50:20 GMT Received: from typhoon.mail.pipex.net (typhoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA14385 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 14:50:17 GMT Received: (qmail 626 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2001 15:48:50 -0000 Received: from userac77.uk.uudial.com (HELO gtwywc97@ukgateway.net) (62.188.131.21) by smtp-2.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2001 15:48:50 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 13:57:21 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Text flow and Default master page Message-ID: <4a369438f1rayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <99a188364a%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> References: <139098@pilling.demon.co.uk> <99a188364a%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Robin Phillips wrote: > But this time, when I start filling up the 3rd page and it reaches the > foot, it produces the text overflow sign instead of producing a 4th > page. What have I done wrong? You need to link the frame which corresponds to the 3rd page back to the 1st page frame. Select the link icon and then select click in the 3rd frame and drag back to the 1st. > Incidentally, when your replies last time mentioned Auto-link I looked > it up in the printed 1886 manual. The index gave a reference to p.92, ^^^^ > and on that page I can find nothing about it! That's even older than my manual :-) Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 020 8864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 3 16:51:47 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA142866 for opro ; Wed, 03 Jan 101 16:51:46 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 978442872:20:04384:19; Tue, 02 Jan 2001 13:41:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2003581; 2 Jan 2001 13:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA13900 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 12:36:01 GMT Received: from norwegia.access.ch (mail.access.ch [195.112.71.134]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA13897 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 12:35:56 GMT Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (megapop9-32.access.ch [212.161.130.160]) by norwegia.access.ch (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA32199 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 14:34:38 +0100 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 13:01:36 +0100 (GMT) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: !Speech To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <4a33732d1erayd@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: tevens Secretariaat Stichting Van Vredenburch X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Greetings and a Happy new Year to you all. On Wed 27 Dec, Ray Dawson wrote: > John P. Kerslake wrote: > > I have OP2.60 But no speek etc. How do i go about > > installing it? > > Buy it from Jon Duddington - jsd@argonet.co.uk > > About 24 quid. John Duddington's !Speak program must have been seen (must be loaded with older versions) before loading OvPro. And OvPro does need the !Speech applet (written by Beebug) active in the applets directory. The Help file in this applet gives some useful information. Just checked it with my version having the speak module 2.14. No problems. JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch tel +41 41 3706125 | RiscPC (ex-Acorn) Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) .. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 3 16:51:57 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA142868 for opro ; Wed, 03 Jan 101 16:51:55 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 978509327:10:20965:16; Wed, 03 Jan 2001 08:08:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1020565; 3 Jan 2001 8:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA17203 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 07:04:10 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA17200 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 07:04:07 GMT Received: from userev07.uk.uudial.com (62.188.17.190) [62.188.17.190] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 14Disl-000750-00; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 08:02:52 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 18:34:57 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: !Speech Message-ID: <4a36ada5b1steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a369d05fasbellon@sbellon.de> References: <4a2f972b9bcolin.wood@argonet.co.uk> <4a307abde6frank@aaug.net> <4a30d1d77asteve@cobbles-end.co.uk> <4a30e42eb2Ian. User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4a369d05fasbellon@sbellon.de>, Stefan Bellon wrote: > I've mailed Jonathan two weeks ago about an upgrade from the Pluto with > Speak support to the full Speak. I've not received any answer since > then. Two things to note Stefan 1. It's been a Christmas New Year holiday - so the mail would be slow and Jonathan might well be taking a holiday elsewhere. 2. There was a postal strike here in Coventry, some mail I was expecting before Christmas only arrived on the 29th. Try e-mailing him. jsd@argonet.co.uk As a last resort there's always the telephone (I'm not sure whether he's listed in the directory, although I do have it) > Does anybody know whether Jonathan is still developing Pluto and Speak > or whether he has left the RISC OS scene? > Greetings and a Happy New Year, > Stefan. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 3 16:52:00 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA142870 for opro ; Wed, 03 Jan 101 16:51:58 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 978450214:20:09483:15; Tue, 02 Jan 2001 15:43:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2124550; 2 Jan 2001 15:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA14316 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 14:36:57 GMT Received: from mailout00.sul.t-online.com (mailout00.sul.t-online.com [194.25.134.16]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA14313 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 14:36:52 GMT Received: from fwd01.sul.t-online.com by mailout00.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 14DTTJ-0001CK-00; Tue, 02 Jan 2001 16:35:33 +0100 Received: from veni (520042741018-0001@[62.226.253.157]) by fmrl01.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 14DTT7-24nlJpC; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 16:35:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Bellon To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 16:33:22 +0100 Subject: Re: !Speech Message-ID: <4a369d05fasbellon@sbellon.de> In-Reply-To: <4a33732d1erayd@argonet.co.uk> References: <4a2f972b9bcolin.wood@argonet.co.uk> <4a307abde6frank@aaug.net> <4a30d1d77asteve@cobbles-end.co.uk> <4a30e42eb2Ian. User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain X-Sender: 520042741018-0001@t-dialin.net Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4a33732d1erayd@argonet.co.uk>, Ray Dawson wrote: > John P. Kerslake wrote: > > I have OP2.60 But no speek etc. How do i go about > > installing it? > Buy it from Jon Duddington - jsd@argonet.co.uk > About 24 quid. I've mailed Jonathan two weeks ago about an upgrade from the Pluto with Speak support to the full Speak. I've not received any answer since then. Does anybody know whether Jonathan is still developing Pluto and Speak or whether he has left the RISC OS scene? Greetings and a Happy New Year, Stefan. -- Stefan Bellon * * tagline in beta - full release to follow. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 3 16:52:11 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA142874 for opro ; Wed, 03 Jan 101 16:52:07 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 978526183:10:20744:19; Wed, 03 Jan 2001 12:49:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1020183; 3 Jan 2001 12:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA18166 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 11:34:12 GMT Received: from mailout05.sul.t-online.com (mailout05.sul.t-online.com [194.25.134.82]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA18163 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 11:33:48 GMT Received: from fwd03.sul.t-online.com by mailout05.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 14Dn5g-0002ST-03; Wed, 03 Jan 2001 13:32:28 +0100 Received: from veni (520042741018-0001@[62.227.38.142]) by fmrl03.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 14Dn5d-0TIo88C; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 13:32:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Bellon To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 12:32:04 +0100 Subject: Re: !Speech Message-ID: <4a370ac4a4sbellon@sbellon.de> In-Reply-To: <4a36ada5b1steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> References: <4a2f972b9bcolin.wood@argonet.co.uk> <4a307abde6frank@aaug.net> <4a30d1d77asteve@cobbles-end.co.uk> <4a30e42eb2Ian. User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain X-Sender: 520042741018-0001@t-dialin.net Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4a36ada5b1steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk>, Steven Pampling wrote: > In article <4a369d05fasbellon@sbellon.de>, > Stefan Bellon wrote: > > I've mailed Jonathan two weeks ago about an upgrade from the Pluto > > with Speak support to the full Speak. I've not received any answer > > since then. > Two things to note Stefan First I should note that with the word "mailed" I intended to express "emailed". I thought those two are synonyms today and that you have to say "postal mail" or "snail mail" if you want to express the "old way". Sorry, but as I'm no native English speaker I may have used it wrongly. > 1. It's been a Christmas New Year holiday - so the mail would be slow > and Jonathan might well be taking a holiday elsewhere. Ok, he might be taking holiday, that's a good point. But from former times I'm used to get a very fast response by him, so I wondered whether he's continueing it at all. But, of course, you might be right, he's just taking a holiday. > 2. There was a postal strike here in Coventry, some mail I was > expecting before Christmas only arrived on the 29th. That was due to the misunderstanding of the word "mail". > Try e-mailing him. jsd@argonet.co.uk That's exactly what I did. :-) > As a last resort there's always the telephone (I'm not sure whether > he's listed in the directory, although I do have it) Yes, the telephone number is in the proginfo window of Pluto. But as I'm not a native English speaker and I'm not sure whether I'll understand him and whether I can express myself when speaking, I prefer the written method. I hope you understand. Thanks a lot for your help though. Greetings, Stefan. -- Stefan Bellon * * 100% of people born in 1839, who ate carrots, are dead. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 3 16:52:42 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA142885 for opro ; Wed, 03 Jan 101 16:52:40 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 978470785:20:09691:13; Tue, 02 Jan 2001 21:26:25 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2127502; 2 Jan 2001 21:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA15342 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 20:19:12 GMT Received: from norwegia.access.ch (mail.access.ch [195.112.71.134]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA15339 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 20:19:07 GMT Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (megapop2-2.access.ch [212.161.128.66]) by norwegia.access.ch (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA13490 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 22:17:50 +0100 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 15:37:11 +0100 (GMT) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: Changing pages To: Ovation Pro In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: tevens Secretariaat Stichting Van Vredenburch X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 29 Dec, Peter Prewett wrote: > I have a need to change a 15 Mb document (imported from Impression) to > landscape and rotate the contents. Could you explain why you want to do this? Maybe I can then understand what you want to do (printing A4 pages sideways on an A3 printer??) > I have changed the master page from A4 to landscape but I cannot see the > RHS of the document as the window scroll bars does not move far enough > to the to show the whole document. Did you close the Master page after changing to A4? > Actually what I was attempting to do was to take a snapshot of the whole > page, rotating the contents as one cannot see an A4 at full size on a > monitor, and then use Paint to grab the image. Proceeding in this way you definitely lose the high resolution of the OvPro output. Therefore my 1st question above. > Or is there a better way of doing it? I believe there is. Can you sent me *privately* one page (or 2 depending on the answer to my question) in A4 format. I'll see what I can do. > To group the frames I had to select each and then group to rotate, as > I found by selecting all, group is blocked out. ......... Probably because you did not de-select the main frame in the document window. This main frame -originating from the master page- cannot be grouped with any added frames in the document window. > .......... Having selected a group > and attempting to copy it across onto a new document failed as it > reported not enough memory. I do have 48M of RAM. It could be that the size of the 2 documents is more than 48M. Instead of copying you could try moving. You can check the size of a picture by selecting it and hitting key F1. Greetings, JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch tel +41 41 3706125 | RiscPC (ex-Acorn) Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) .. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 3 16:52:47 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA142887 for opro ; Wed, 03 Jan 101 16:52:46 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 978481106:20:25980:15; Wed, 03 Jan 2001 00:18:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2103803; 3 Jan 2001 0:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA15778 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 22:57:21 GMT Received: from kx1-gui.server.which.net (kx1-gui.server.which.net [194.168.97.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA15775 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 22:57:16 GMT Received: from waddell.which.net ([194.168.101.202]) by kx1-gui.server.which.net (InterMail vK.4.02.00.10 201-232-116-110 license e70b2acfbd69d84cc925654164bd8fad) with SMTP id <20010102235557.VALI20996.kx1-gui@waddell.which.net> for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 23:55:57 +0000 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 23:41:36 +0000 (GMT) From: John Waddell Subject: Re: Text flow and Default master page To: Ovation mail list In-Reply-To: <99a188364a%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 02 Jan, Robin Phillips wrote: > Dear colleagues, > > Way back in mid-November you all helped me with a problem over setting text > flow from one frame to the next in such a way that when the last frame wasf > ull it would flow on to yet another frame, as explained below by D Pilling: >snip< > I now need your help on a similar problem. I have again 3 frames set on a > sideways master-page. This time each is 79mm tall and 190 wide. I am trying > to produce a leaflet to be printed on A4 and then folded twice parallel to > the vertical edge, forming a 3-page tall folder. I have set the frames on > the default master-page, linked 1 to 2, 2 to 3, and 3 to 1, at which point I > am asked to confirm that I want an auto-link. I reply Yes. So far, the same > as the previous query. I have used this layout regularly but my links lie in a different order. You have to think through what the document will look like when folded and it will also depend on whether you have a duplex printer. If, like me, you print one side and then turn over the page to refeed it through the printer, you would best have a two page document without any auto-link at all. Things get really complicated if you try this configuration over more than one sheet of paper ! Let's call page 1 the outside face of the document (with frames 1, 2 and 3) and page 2 the inside face of the document (with frames 4, 5 and 6). Once you fold the page the face showing will actually be a third of the outside page and when you open this to read the leaflet, the bit you see next will be another third of the outside face. So you need links from 3 to 4, 4 to 5, 5 to 6, 6 to 1 and 1 to 2. Hope this is clear! > > But this time, when I start filling up the 3rd page and it reaches the foot, > it produces the text overflow sign instead of producing a 4th page. What > have I done wrong? If you mean 3rd frame and overflow into 4th frame, it works OK for me on V.2.60. Cannot remember what happened in the pre-upgrade versions. > Incidentally, when your replies last time mentioned Auto-link I looked it up > in the printed 1886 (we'll let you off with this one!) manual. The index gave a reference to p.92, and on that > page I can find nothing about it! > Look up "frames, linking" in the old manual .. .. .. takes you to page 90. Page 92 in the new manual is the beginning of the chapter to do with frame drawing. I strongly recommend you upgrade to V.2.60 - well worth it! > Yes, I know I should ge getting the latest release of OPro, and I probably > will shortly. I also know that Mr van Vredenbusch has been doing marvellous > things with the manual. Perhaps his manual can answer this one? > > Yours sincerely, Robin. > Hope this makes sense and helps! -- John Waddell, Langbank, Renfrewshire -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 3 16:53:03 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA142891 for opro ; Wed, 03 Jan 101 16:52:58 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 978512899:20:11524:13; Wed, 03 Jan 2001 09:08:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2128780; 3 Jan 2001 9:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA17436 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 08:01:14 GMT Received: from mserv1e.vianw.co.uk (mserv1e.vianw.co.uk [195.102.240.97]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA17432 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 08:01:11 GMT Received: from [194.119.179.59] (helo=Caslon.english.co.uk) by mserv1e.vianw.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.10 #37) id 14Djlv-0000Zw-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 08:59:51 +0000 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Wed, 03 Jan 2001 08:56:00 +0000 Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 08:56:45 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: More questions about DDL files Message-ID: <5d8cfc364a%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <142567@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Jeremy C B Nicoll wrote: opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > >Is there an applet anywhere that will list all the defined styles (within > >a certain document) and their features? > > Menu over the styles pane in the Edit style window. > - a very useful facility, but limited in that it only gives the first part of a font name, assuming that bold & italic effects will complete the specification. An unfortunate WP type feature - serious typographers need to see the full font name to know the weight: e.g. Gill.Sans.Book vs Gill.Sans.Light. The OvPro style spec which will in these cases just show 'Gill'. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 3 16:53:08 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA142894 for opro ; Wed, 03 Jan 101 16:53:07 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 978520092:20:20011:13; Wed, 03 Jan 2001 11:08:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2112005; 3 Jan 2001 11:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA17841 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 10:00:23 GMT Received: from mail1.hw.ac.uk (mail1.hw.ac.uk [137.195.170.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA17837 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 10:00:19 GMT Received: from [137.195.101.212] (helo=mail-r2.hw.ac.uk ident=exim) by mail1.hw.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 14DldG-0005mN-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 10:59:02 +0000 Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.32.15]) by mail-r2.hw.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 14DldG-00080m-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 03 Jan 2001 10:59:02 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 10:41:44 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: CD labels Message-ID: <4a370628fbC.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: References: , Steve Ellacott wrote: > On Thu 28 Dec, Steve Ellacott wrote: > > Hello all > > > > Has anyone produced stationary for CD labelers? I see there is a > > single CD label on the OvPro CD but I can't find anything else. > > > Oh dear, replying to my own posting :-{ > I have just found CDBox/zip on the web site. It only seems to do > half a sheet though. > http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/templates.html > Steve I have produced templates for the "Pressit" labeller. They are only on my home machine, so I will tidy them up tonight and put them on the site. Chris... -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) mailto: Chris@bulldog.u-net.com (at home) ovpro web site http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 3 16:53:25 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA142900 for opro ; Wed, 03 Jan 101 16:53:23 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 978531281:20:10635:26; Wed, 03 Jan 2001 14:14:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2010580; 3 Jan 2001 14:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA18513 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 13:07:16 GMT Received: from norwegia.access.ch (mail.access.ch [195.112.71.134]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA18510 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 13:07:12 GMT Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (megapop4-29.access.ch [212.161.128.221]) by norwegia.access.ch (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA19708 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 15:05:56 +0100 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 15:03:13 +0100 (GMT) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: Text flow and Default master page To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <99a188364a%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: tevens Secretariaat Stichting Van Vredenburch X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 02 Jan, Robin Phillips wrote: > Dear colleagues, > > Way back in mid-November you all helped me with a problem over setting text > flow from one frame to the next in such a way that when the last frame wasf > ull it would flow on to yet another frame, ........ This question being the reason to give clear explanations with drawings in the new manual. > Yes, I know I should ge getting the latest release of OPro, and I probably > will shortly. I also know that Mr van Vredenbusch has been doing marvellous > things with the manual. Perhaps his manual can answer this one? Yes I can! 1. Do update to version 2.60 2. Then have a look at page 95 (Chapter 8) of the new manual. Regards JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch tel +41 41 3706125 | RiscPC (ex-Acorn) Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 3 21:46:17 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA142960 for opro ; Wed, 03 Jan 101 21:46:04 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 978555581:10:11085:13; Wed, 03 Jan 2001 20:59:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1116264; 3 Jan 2001 20:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA19793 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 19:47:22 GMT Received: from hinge3.mistral.co.uk (hinge3.mistral.co.uk [195.184.228.58]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA19790 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 19:47:14 GMT Received: from s.v.ellacott.mistral.co.uk (d224-203.dial.mistral.co.uk [195.184.224.203]) by hinge3.mistral.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA26100 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 20:45:45 GMT Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 20:25:45 +0000 (GMT) From: Steve Ellacott Subject: Re: CD labels To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <4a370628fbC.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: University of Brighton X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 03 Jan, Chris Johnson wrote: > > I have produced templates for the "Pressit" labeller. They are only > on my home machine, so I will tidy them up tonight and put them on > the site. > Thanks, I will have a look. I have been trying to produce templates in both the Pressit format and some called Bomil CD Labels (I think that is the right name, the font is so fancy as to be unreadable) which I picked up cheap at computer show. Basicaly, I am putting a slightly oversized (about 2mm) circular graphics frame (to allow bleed) behind an exact sized circular text frame. But unless I leave an actual graphic in the graphics frame it seems to revert to a text frame, and more seriously, when I select the graphics frame and drag in an image, the image seems to go into the text frame even though it is not selected. The only work around I have found is to move the graphics frame to the front, put in the image and then reshuffle the frames into the right order. (OvPro 2.60) I am very puzzled as to why this happens. Can David or anyone else explain? Thanks Steve -- Steve Ellacott, School of Computing and Mathematical Sciences, University of Brighton, Moulsecoomb, BN2 4GJ, UK Tel: Home (01273) 885845 Office: (01273) 642544 Fax: Home (01273) 270183 Office: (01273) 642405 WWW: http://www.it.brighton.ac.uk/staff/swe -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 3 21:46:26 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA142963 for opro ; Wed, 03 Jan 101 21:46:22 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 978555978:10:18635:16; Wed, 03 Jan 2001 21:06:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1128263; 3 Jan 2001 21:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA19846 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 19:57:35 GMT Received: from snowstorm.mail.pipex.net (snowstorm.mail.pipex.net [158.43.192.97]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id FAA16977 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 05:22:21 GMT Received: (qmail 13513 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2001 06:21:00 -0000 Received: from userau20.uk.uudial.com (HELO localhost) (62.188.137.222) by smtp-6.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 3 Jan 2001 06:21:00 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mark Fraser To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 22:40:50 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Invites by Mailmerging Message-ID: <4a36c428afmfraser@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I'm trying to print some invitations and mailmerging in the person invited, with four invites to one A4 sheet by creating one invite and tiling it 2x2 onto the page. However, I either get a page of 4 invites with the same name on them, or one invite per page. I'm sure the answer is on the CD-ROM, but at the moment I'm having trouble accessing the Ovation Pro archive - getting either broken archive or Type 5's from Ovation. Can anyone help? -- How about a beer, Norm? That's that amber sudsy stuff, right? I've heard good things about it! ___________________________________________ |\ /| ark Fraser /mfraser@ukgateway.net Mobile: 07977820478 | \/ | Somerset /www.mfraser.ukgateway.net ICQ:19835705 | |__________/Acorn SA RISC PC You know what the sig means! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 4 01:55:45 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA142970 for opro ; Thu, 04 Jan 101 01:55:43 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 978559144:20:04238:13; Wed, 03 Jan 2001 21:59:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2111006; 3 Jan 2001 21:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA20088 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 20:49:10 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA20082 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 20:49:04 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14Dvk9-000Mt3-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 21:47:42 +0000 Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 21:03:57 GMT Message-Id: <142952@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Text flow and Default master page X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R >But this time, when I start filling up the 3rd page and it reaches the foot, >it produces the text overflow sign instead of producing a 4th page. What >have I done wrong? Hard to say, your description of what you want to do is correct. So perhaps you didn't do what you said, or maybe there's a bug in your version of the program. ISTR you don't have 2.58 and versions earlier than that do have some oddities with links. >Incidentally, when your replies last time mentioned Auto-link I looked it up >in the printed 1886 manual. The index gave a reference to p.92, and on that >page I can find nothing about it! Rmarkable because the printed manual came out long before autolinking was thought of - yet it is in the index. Spooky... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 4 01:55:45 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA142971 for opro ; Thu, 04 Jan 101 01:55:43 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 978559162:10:22174:15; Wed, 03 Jan 2001 21:59:22 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1121310; 3 Jan 2001 21:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA20089 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 20:49:10 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA20083 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 20:49:04 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14Dvl3-000Mt3-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 21:47:45 +0000 Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 21:07:11 GMT Message-Id: <142954@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: More questions about DDL files X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >- a very useful facility, but limited in that it only gives the >first part of a font name, Oh, I'll do something about that... Actually it would be more useful if the full font name appeared in the summary on the edit style window too. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 4 01:55:49 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA142972 for opro ; Thu, 04 Jan 101 01:55:46 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 978559348:20:07815:19; Wed, 03 Jan 2001 22:02:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2118910; 3 Jan 2001 22:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA20130 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 20:52:50 GMT Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-10.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA20127 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 20:52:45 GMT Received: from [212.238.35.147] (helo=woltersd.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.14 #2) id 14Dvob-0005Ir-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 03 Jan 2001 21:51:26 +0000 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 22:06:41 +0000 (GMT) From: Dick Wolters Subject: Re: StylePal query To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Sat 23 Dec, Martin Vethake wrote: > In message <142499@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > > >I took one of the documents with many styles and deleted all text, > > >pictures or whatever. Result: an empty document with many styles > > >defined. > > > > Quick way to get all styles from one doc A to B. Open the Edit > > syles window in doc B, drag style sheet from file menu in document A > > to it. > > > I don't get it, open style edit in doc B, click menu over doc A - > closes doc B's dialogue, and no dragging anyplace... > > Regards > -- > Martin Vethake > Uffenkamp Computer Systeme You must save the style sheet from document A and drag that file in the Edit styles window in doc B. Don't drag the file to the small window with the list of defined styles in the Edit styles window. Regards, Dick -- D.Wolters Maastricht -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 4 01:55:57 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA142976 for opro ; Thu, 04 Jan 101 01:55:54 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 978561040:10:27006:32; Wed, 03 Jan 2001 22:30:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1026692; 3 Jan 2001 22:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA20338 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 21:19:20 GMT Received: from cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.173]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA20331 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 21:19:13 GMT Received: from modem-121.amlodipine.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.78.121] helo=orchard-way) by cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 14DwE9-0004nt-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 03 Jan 2001 22:17:50 +0000 Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 22:14:46 GMT From: Alan Adams To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Invites by Mailmerging Message-ID: References: <4a36c428afmfraser@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4a36c428afmfraser@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10 (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <4a36c428afmfraser@ukgateway.net> you wrote: > I'm trying to print some invitations and mailmerging in the person invited, > with four invites to one A4 sheet by creating one invite and tiling it 2x2 > onto the page. However, I either get a page of 4 invites with the same name > on them, or one invite per page. > > I'm sure the answer is on the CD-ROM, but at the moment I'm having trouble > accessing the Ovation Pro archive - getting either broken archive or Type 5's > from Ovation. > > Can anyone help? > I think you may need to tick the "all same" button in the thumbnails setup. I could be wrong though. -- Alan Adams alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.freeserve.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 4 01:56:00 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA142978 for opro ; Thu, 04 Jan 101 01:55:58 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 978563467:10:18161:14; Wed, 03 Jan 2001 23:11:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1015910; 3 Jan 2001 23:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA20533 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 21:56:55 GMT Received: from cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.172]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA20530 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 21:56:49 GMT Received: from modem-145.banner-wrasse.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.227.145] helo=davids) by cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 14DwoZ-0006JE-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 03 Jan 2001 22:55:27 +0000 Message-ID: <000701c075d8$2a13cba0$3d39fea9@davids> From: "David Woodman" To: References: Subject: PC Version of Ovation Pro Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 22:54:42 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I was wondering if there is any news about David Pilling's progress with a PC version. When first mentioned ISTR that six months was mentioned (albeit indirectly) as the sort of time period that would be required. Is the PC version still happening? I do sincerely hope so. David Woodman -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 4 02:58:45 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA142992 for opro ; Thu, 04 Jan 101 02:58:43 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 978574600:10:23437:16; Thu, 04 Jan 2001 02:16:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1122594; 4 Jan 2001 2:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA21250 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 00:57:53 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA21247 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 00:57:49 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14Dzdk-0006zQ-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 01:56:28 +0000 Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 21:52:55 GMT Message-Id: <142966@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Invites by Mailmerging X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I'm trying to print some invitations and mailmerging in the person invited, >with four invites to one A4 sheet by creating one invite and tiling it 2x2 >onto the page. However, I either get a page of 4 invites with the same name >on them, or one invite per page. I think the basic rule of thumb is that you can't mail merge inside imposition. Often people have a one page document and they'd like 20 copies printing on one sheet each with different mail merge data in. And things just don't work like that. What I'd suggest is creating a page with 4 invites on, and then following the instructions in the "advanced mail merge" document available from the resources section of the OPro web site. >I'm sure the answer is on the CD-ROM, but at the moment I'm having trouble >accessing the Ovation Pro archive - getting either broken archive or Type 5's >from Ovation. Yes the same material is in the new CD based manual. I guess we all hope CDR is stable for more than 6 weeks - they always sold it as better than magnetic storage. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 4 13:58:56 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA142994 for opro ; Thu, 04 Jan 101 13:58:53 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 978578027:20:01598:22; Thu, 04 Jan 2001 03:13:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2126703; 4 Jan 2001 3:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA21485 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 02:03:44 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA21482 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 02:03:39 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14E0fT-0009d8-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 03:02:19 +0000 Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 02:58:35 GMT Message-Id: <142990@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Ovation Pro 2.61 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro An upgrade from OvationPro 2.60 to 2.61 is now available from the upgrade page on the Ovation Pro area of my web sites. http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/upgrade/op260.zip This fixes a few bugs and adds some minor new features. So there's no great rush to upgrade. As usual I'd appreciate a few brave pioneers testing it for bugs first. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 4 13:59:03 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA142996 for opro ; Thu, 04 Jan 101 13:58:58 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 978578353:20:18217:13; Thu, 04 Jan 2001 03:19:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2129671; 4 Jan 2001 3:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA21471 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 02:00:25 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA21468 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 02:00:19 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14E0cE-0009aO-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 02:58:58 +0000 Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 01:57:00 GMT Message-Id: <142980@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: PC Version of Ovation Pro X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I was wondering if there is any news about David Pilling's progress with a >PC version. Easily answered. Zero progress so far. I've been busy, duplicating CD's for one thing, but also working on a RISC OS project for Pace. However that doesn't mean I've abandoned the idea. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 4 13:59:09 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA142997 for opro ; Thu, 04 Jan 101 13:59:04 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 978599474:10:12246:20; Thu, 04 Jan 2001 09:11:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1012174; 4 Jan 2001 9:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA22613 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 07:56:50 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA22610 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 07:56:45 GMT Received: from userev41.uk.uudial.com (62.188.17.224) [62.188.17.224] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 14E6BD-00019G-00; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 08:55:28 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 08:21:43 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: PC Version of Ovation Pro Message-ID: <4a377d2d13steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <142980@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <142980@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <142980@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > I've been busy, duplicating CD's for one thing, but also working on a > RISC OS project for Pace. Hmmmm. Non-disclosure covered? Will desktop users be happy (ier) ? -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 4 13:59:20 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA143000 for opro ; Thu, 04 Jan 101 13:59:13 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 978601030:20:12424:29; Thu, 04 Jan 2001 09:37:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2123424; 4 Jan 2001 9:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA22767 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 08:35:07 GMT Received: from mserv1a.vianw.co.uk (mserv1a.vianw.co.uk [195.102.240.34]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA22764 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 08:35:05 GMT Received: from [194.119.179.59] (helo=Caslon.english.co.uk) by mserv1a.vianw.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.10 #63) id 14E6mK-0002wd-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 09:33:48 +0000 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Thu, 04 Jan 2001 09:18:13 +0000 Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 09:18:19 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: More questions about DDL files Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <142954@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > > >- a very useful facility, but limited in that it only gives the > >first part of a font name, > > Oh, I'll do something about that... > > Actually it would be more useful if the full font name appeared in the > summary on the edit style window too. > This is good news! By the way, I really like the new facility to reorder styles (OvPro 2.61) - it means that the styles can be shown in a logical order regardless of the order in which they were defined. When you get around to making the above improvement, presumably you will also ensure that when you save out the style definitions as a text file, that will also reflect any reordering. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 4 13:59:31 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA143002 for opro ; Thu, 04 Jan 101 13:59:25 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 978611120:10:05510:23; Thu, 04 Jan 2001 12:25:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1005083; 4 Jan 2001 12:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA23327 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 11:17:32 GMT Received: from prserv.net (out2.prserv.net [32.97.166.32]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA23324 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 11:17:28 GMT Received: from jacorn.ibm.net ([139.92.246.63]) by prserv.net (out2) with SMTP id <2001010412160520200k1i83e>; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 12:16:06 +0000 Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 00:20:37 +0100 (GMT) From: James White Subject: Re: !Speech To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <4a370ac4a4sbellon@sbellon.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Spanish Oak Nurseries X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 03 Jan, Stefan Bellon wrote: [snip] If you havn't had a reply from JSD then it's most likely he hasn't received your e-mail. I had a reply from him on Jan 1 which was sent less than an hour after my own request! And he was really sober... In it he admits having no knowledge of the DMI50 MIDI Sound i/f. Shocking ;-) Perhaps I can take this opportunity to ask if anyone knows how to get the RPC internal sound redirected to the sound card, so as to make use of its quality audio capabilities. There are input pins on the DMI, which can take e.g. CD-ROM output. Is it just a matter of connecting the internal speaker pin-out to these? I need to carusel OP pages and have some _audible_ spoken text. JW -- ---------------- RISCOS Cohorts: greater than the tenth part of a Legion... ---------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 4 13:59:58 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA143005 for opro ; Thu, 04 Jan 101 13:59:51 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 978615939:10:09706:17; Thu, 04 Jan 2001 13:45:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1120776; 4 Jan 2001 13:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA23651 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 12:33:47 GMT Received: from mail2.svr.pol.co.uk (mail2.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.210]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA23648 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 12:33:37 GMT Received: from modem-60.anglachel.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.112.60] helo=jwells24.freeserve.freeserve.co.uk) by mail2.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 14EAV9-0007Ll-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 04 Jan 2001 13:32:20 +0000 Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 13:24:01 +0000 (GMT) From: Malcolm Wells Subject: Re: Invites by Mailmerging To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <4a36c428afmfraser@ukgateway.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Malcolm Wells X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 02 Jan, Mark Fraser wrote: > I'm trying to print some invitations and mailmerging in the person invited, > with four invites to one A4 sheet by creating one invite and tiling it 2x2 > onto the page. However, I either get a page of 4 invites with the same name > on them, or one invite per page. > > I'm sure the answer is on the CD-ROM, but at the moment I'm having trouble > accessing the Ovation Pro archive - getting either broken archive or Type 5's > from Ovation. > > Can anyone help? > > -- > How about a beer, Norm? > That's that amber sudsy stuff, right? I've heard good things about it! > > ___________________________________________ > |\ /| ark Fraser /mfraser@ukgateway.net Mobile: 07977820478 > | \/ | Somerset /www.mfraser.ukgateway.net ICQ:19835705 > | |__________/Acorn SA RISC PC You know what the sig means! > > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message > > > Have you set up a CSV file with the names you want to appear on the Invitations? Once you have done that set the Mail Merge tags on the Invitations. Use the Mail Merge Printer Button, drag the CSV file onto the print window and go ahead. Its all in the manual and it does work. -- Malcolm Wells -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 4 19:04:55 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA143019 for opro ; Thu, 04 Jan 101 19:04:51 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 978633749:10:13755:15; Thu, 04 Jan 2001 18:42:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1111354; 4 Jan 2001 18:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA24553 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 17:38:19 GMT Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA24550 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 17:38:17 GMT Received: from g6tsf.demon.co.uk ([158.152.255.214]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 14EFFz-00067R-0X for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 18:37:00 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "P.R.J. Shayler" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 18:35:30 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: PC Version of Ovation Pro Message-ID: <4a37b55e9cpaul@g6tsf.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <143006@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <143006@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On 04 Jan, David Pilling wrote: > >Hmmmm. Non-disclosure covered? > Yes NDA'd > >Will desktop users be happy (ier) ? > Its one of the great imponderables, clearly Pace are building up a > portfolio of goodies (as did Acorn before them) which are not available > on the desktop. No doubt if and when depends on it being worth someones > while or ROSL charming them out of Pace. We've not seen the Acorn stuff > yet (many years on). > Using Oregano one feels "this was not written for desktop use", its very > good, but could be better for use on the desktop. So these things are > designed for use on STB's or whatever. Oregano has it's origins firmly in the STB arena. Castle say that they intend active developement for the desktop platform. AFAIK there is two way traffic between Oregan and Castle so they both benefit from the various developements. Paul. -- I'm using a Risc PC (tm) with SA-110 StrongARM (tm) RISC processor and running RISC OS (tm) Paul G6TSF g6tsf@amsat.org g6tsf@arrl.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 4 19:05:07 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA143020 for opro ; Thu, 04 Jan 101 19:05:05 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 978618811:20:16950:38; Thu, 04 Jan 2001 14:33:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2016356; 4 Jan 2001 14:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA23855 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 13:25:00 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA23851 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 13:24:57 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14EBIn-0002Tj-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 14:23:37 +0000 Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 14:03:31 GMT Message-Id: <143006@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: PC Version of Ovation Pro X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Hmmmm. Non-disclosure covered? Yes NDA'd >Will desktop users be happy (ier) ? Its one of the great imponderables, clearly Pace are building up a portfolio of goodies (as did Acorn before them) which are not available on the desktop. No doubt if and when depends on it being worth someones while or ROSL charming them out of Pace. We've not seen the Acorn stuff yet (many years on). Using Oregano one feels "this was not written for desktop use", its very good, but could be better for use on the desktop. So these things are designed for use on STB's or whatever. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 5 13:39:44 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA143075 for opro ; Fri, 05 Jan 101 13:39:37 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 978695718:20:11275:13; Fri, 05 Jan 2001 11:55:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2011106; 5 Jan 2001 11:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA27207 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 10:51:02 GMT Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA27204 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 10:51:00 GMT Received: from schild.demon.co.uk ([194.222.26.212]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 14EVNP-000P1w-0V for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 11:49:44 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Schild To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 10:35:08 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Printing panoramic sprites from OPro Message-ID: <4a380d3a16john@schild.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <142952@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <142952@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Some Christmas hols perversity drove me out into the snow to create a 270 degree landscape panorama; ten digital images which I stitched together in Photodesk. When complete, it turned out to be two metres long at 90dpi. A further descent into idiocy prompted me to try to print it. First attempt was made with tile printing from Artworks, but the results were muddy and very horrible so I abandoned that route. The second attempt was made from OPro. Referencing the sprite file, and printing it one A4 landscape frame at a time, increasing the x-offset with each printout to bring another section of the sprite into view. This worked OK for offsets up to (minus) one metre, but with offsets beyond that, although the required portion of the sprite was clearly visible on screen, my Canon 7100 inkjet could find no more data, and after several minutes of finding nothing to render disgorged blank sheets. The workaround which produced the rest of my monstrous panorama was to slice the sprite in two and print the second half, reducing the offset to under minus one metre again. The guillotine and pritt stick did the rest; my photo-wall now sports a ridiculously long winter panorama. Why, I wonder. Question 1: Does OPro 2.60 impose a (normally sensible) printing offset limitation of about a metre, or was something else happening? Question 2: How else might I have gone about photo-real printing such a long sprite from an A4 printer? -- ==================================================== John Schild, King's Walden, Hitchin, Herts. ==================================================== -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 5 17:10:56 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA143092 for opro ; Fri, 05 Jan 101 17:10:54 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 978703876:20:10109:13; Fri, 05 Jan 2001 14:11:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2009537; 5 Jan 2001 14:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA27706 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 13:04:37 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA27702 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 13:04:34 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14EXSi-0000lJ-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 14:03:20 +0000 Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 14:00:27 GMT Message-Id: <143084@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Ovation Pro 2.61 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Roger Mayne reports that screening setting for individual pictures no longer work in 2.61. Since I did a lot of messing in that area I'm inclined to believe him. A full report/fix in due course... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 5 17:10:58 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA143093 for opro ; Fri, 05 Jan 101 17:10:54 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 978702964:10:22506:13; Fri, 05 Jan 2001 13:56:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1124369; 5 Jan 2001 13:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA27632 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 12:51:25 GMT Received: from mserv1c.vianw.co.uk (mserv1c.vianw.co.uk [195.102.240.33]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA27629 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 12:51:23 GMT Received: from [194.119.179.59] (helo=Caslon.english.co.uk) by mserv1c.vianw.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.10 #35) id 14EXFr-0002Uq-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 13:50:03 +0000 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Fri, 05 Jan 2001 13:49:58 +0000 Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 13:50:46 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Printing panoramic sprites from OPro Message-ID: <1e231f384a%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a380d3a16john@schild.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro John Schild wrote: > Some Christmas hols perversity drove me out into the snow to create a > 270 degree landscape panorama; ten digital images which I stitched > together in Photodesk. When complete, it turned out to be two metres > long at 90dpi. > > The second attempt was made from OPro. Referencing the sprite file, and > printing it one A4 landscape frame at a time, increasing the x-offset > with each printout to bring another section of the sprite into view. > Would it not work to create a new OvPro page 2 metres wide, drop the (referenced) sprite into that and then print>tiles? David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 5 17:11:03 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA143095 for opro ; Fri, 05 Jan 101 17:11:01 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 978703864:10:18005:27; Fri, 05 Jan 2001 14:11:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1126532; 5 Jan 2001 14:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA27703 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 13:04:34 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA27697 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 13:04:32 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14EXSg-0000lJ-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 14:03:18 +0000 Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 13:56:27 GMT Message-Id: <143079@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Printing panoramic sprites from OPro X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Question 1: Does OPro 2.60 impose a (normally sensible) printing offset >limitation of about a metre, or was something else happening? Not as far as I know. There are limitations in the RISC OS printing system. >Question 2: How else might I have gone about photo-real printing such a >long sprite from an A4 printer? Using the Tile imposition format in Ovation Pro. However since you had to stitch it together, one might try to think of a method that didn't require that. Obviously printing each photo on one sheet of paper is one way. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 5 17:11:10 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA143098 for opro ; Fri, 05 Jan 101 17:11:07 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 978706309:20:06314:16; Fri, 05 Jan 2001 14:51:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2006242; 5 Jan 2001 14:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA27998 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 13:33:59 GMT Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA27995 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 13:33:57 GMT Received: from lowri.demon.co.uk ([194.222.175.160] helo=localhost.com) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 14EXv9-000Iw6-0U for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 14:32:43 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ian Lowry To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 14:28:05 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Printing panoramic sprites from OPro Message-ID: <4a38228db3ian@lowri.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a380d3a16john@schild.demon.co.uk> References: <142952@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4a380d3a16john@schild.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro John Schild wrote: > [Snip] > Question 2: How else might I have gone about photo-real printing > such a long sprite from an A4 printer? Some of the latest photoreal printers allow the use of a paper roll rather than single sheets (perhaps the next new feature will be fanfold paper !) Also Boots used to be able to print very large panoramas, although that may have gone the way of PhotoCD. Regards Ian -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 5 17:11:17 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA143101 for opro ; Fri, 05 Jan 101 17:11:15 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 978707635:10:04215:15; Fri, 05 Jan 2001 15:13:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1118814; 5 Jan 2001 15:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA28175 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 14:10:48 GMT Received: from tvweb1.hiway.co.uk (root@tvweb1.hiway.co.uk [195.12.1.131]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA28172 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 14:10:46 GMT From: Received: from mail-gw.quantel.com ([195.12.20.50]) by tvweb1.hiway.co.uk (8.11.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id f05F9GY04568 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 15:09:17 GMT Received: SMTP by Quantel-Mailhub (8.8.7/3.1). id QAA23241 for INET:ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Fri, 5 Jan 2001 16:11:40 GMT To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: <802569CB.00532CFF.00@buffer1.HQ.quantel> Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 15:08:22 +0000 Subject: Re: Printing panoramic sprites from OPro Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Organization: Quantel Ltd. Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >> Question 2: How else might I have gone about photo-real printing >> such a long sprite from an A4 printer? > Some of the latest photoreal printers allow the use of a paper roll > rather than single sheets (perhaps the next new feature will be > fanfold paper !) The only trouble is.... There is a limit to the maximum length of paper that the RISC OS printer drivers can handle. So although the paper rolls (the ones I have anyway) are 11 metres long you can't print anything like this length from RISC OS :-( Andy Ling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 5 21:14:46 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA143109 for opro ; Fri, 05 Jan 101 21:14:41 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 978717936:10:24110:13; Fri, 05 Jan 2001 18:05:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1023844; 5 Jan 2001 18:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA28770 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 17:02:41 GMT Received: from typhoon.mail.pipex.net (typhoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA28767 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 17:02:39 GMT Received: (qmail 27463 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2001 18:01:22 -0000 Received: from userfg74.uk.uudial.com (HELO localhost) (62.188.22.76) by smtp-2.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2001 18:01:22 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mark Fraser To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 16:06:07 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Invites by Mailmerging Message-ID: <4a382b8779mfraser@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <142966@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <142966@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <142966@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >I'm trying to print some invitations and mailmerging in the person > >invited, with four invites to one A4 sheet by creating one invite and > >tiling it 2x2 onto the page. However, I either get a page of 4 invites > >with the same name on them, or one invite per page. > I think the basic rule of thumb is that you can't mail merge inside > imposition. Often people have a one page document and they'd like 20 copies > printing on one sheet each with different mail merge data in. And things > just don't work like that. Thing is, if I want to make a change to the invitation and use imposition I only have to change it once, but if I have 4 invites on the page I have to either delete 3 of them, modify it and then copy it or make the same change to each invite. > What I'd suggest is creating a page with 4 invites on, and then following > the instructions in the "advanced mail merge" document available from the > resources section of the OPro web site. This is the way I've now done it, but see above. > >I'm sure the answer is on the CD-ROM, but at the moment I'm having trouble > >accessing the Ovation Pro archive - getting either broken archive or Type > >5's from Ovation. > Yes the same material is in the new CD based manual. I guess we all hope > CDR is stable for more than 6 weeks - they always sold it as better than > magnetic storage. I've now sorted the problem with the CD. I hadn't changed the termination settings on my CD drive after removing a zip drive and had even left the end of the cable unterminated! -- What's up, Normie? My nipples, it's freezing out there. ______________________________________________________ |\ /| ark Fraser /mfraser@ukgateway.net www.mfraser.ukgateway.net | \/ | Somerset /Using !Pluto on an Acorn SA RISC PC ICQ:19835705 | |___________/You know what the sig means! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 5 21:14:54 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA143114 for opro ; Fri, 05 Jan 101 21:14:51 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 978718166:20:18514:13; Fri, 05 Jan 2001 18:09:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2018434; 5 Jan 2001 18:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA28824 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 17:06:54 GMT Received: from nemesis.uk.clara.net (nemesis.uk.clara.net [195.8.69.86]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA28821 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 17:06:51 GMT Received: from du-016-0025.claranet.co.uk ([195.8.78.153] helo=stevegreen.clara.net) by nemesis.uk.clara.net with smtp (Exim 3.13 #2) id 14EbF9-000MAL-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 05 Jan 2001 18:05:35 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven J Green To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 17:57:03 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Printing panoramic sprites from OPro Message-ID: <4a3835afa7stevegreen@clara.net> In-Reply-To: <4a380d3a16john@schild.demon.co.uk> References: <142952@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4a380d3a16john@schild.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-RBL-Warning: (dul.maps.vix.com) See X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id RAA28822 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id RAB28824 On 05 Jan, John Schild wrote: > Some Christmas hols perversity drove me out into the snow to create a > 270 degree landscape panorama; ten digital images which I stitched > together in Photodesk. When complete, it turned out to be two metres > long at 90dpi. > Question 2: How else might I have gone about photo-real printing such a > long sprite from an A4 printer? !QuickTile from the company DTP allows you to split a large sprite into A4-sized chunks, complete with crop marks to facilitate re-assembly. AFAIK still available from DTP at around =A315? Steve -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 5 21:15:03 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA143117 for opro ; Fri, 05 Jan 101 21:15:00 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 978724566:10:22795:24; Fri, 05 Jan 2001 19:56:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1126024; 5 Jan 2001 19:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA29258 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 18:55:09 GMT Received: from typhoon.mail.pipex.net (typhoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA29255 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 18:55:07 GMT Received: (qmail 4400 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2001 19:53:50 -0000 Received: from userfm69.uk.uudial.com (HELO localhost) (62.188.24.157) by smtp-2.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2001 19:53:50 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mark Fraser To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 18:10:32 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: !Speech Message-ID: <4a3836eb62mfraser@argonet.co.uk> References: <4a370ac4a4sbellon@sbellon.de> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , James White wrote: > On Wed 03 Jan, Stefan Bellon wrote: > Perhaps I can take this opportunity to ask if anyone knows how to get > the RPC internal sound redirected to the sound card, so as to make use > of its quality audio capabilities. > There are input pins on the DMI, which can take e.g. CD-ROM output. Is > it just a matter of connecting the internal speaker pin-out to these? The pins you need are in the block of 10 infront (Labeled as JP3) of the CD-ROM pins. The pin wiring with pin 1 rear left as looking from the front of the computer. 1 2 1 Unfiltered Left 3 4 3 Filtered Left 5 6 5 Mono Ouput 7 8 7 Filtered Right 9 10 9 Unfiltered Right 2,4,6,8,10 Ground It's best to use the unfiltered input as the filtered input is shared with the CD-ROM input (selected by jumpers L1&2 situated between the CD-ROM and computer inputs). If you have a computer that doesn't have the 16-bit sound card fitted - i.e. either you have an old 8bit motherboard or a newer 16bit motherboard - you'll be able to use the short cable that should have been supplied with the card. If you do, it will be necessary to connect the two together by making your own cable. Let me know if you need details. -- Whaddya say, Norm? Well, I never met a beer I didn't drink. And down it goes. ______________________________________________________ |\ /| ark Fraser /mfraser@ukgateway.net www.mfraser.ukgateway.net | \/ | Somerset /Using !Pluto on an Acorn SA RISC PC ICQ:19835705 | |___________/You know what the sig means! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 5 21:15:15 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA143122 for opro ; Fri, 05 Jan 101 21:15:13 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 978727941:20:12690:15; Fri, 05 Jan 2001 20:52:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2128268; 5 Jan 2001 20:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA29453 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 19:50:59 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA29450 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 19:50:56 GMT Received: from userck21.uk.uudial.com (62.188.154.63) [62.188.154.63] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 14Ednu-00052E-00; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 20:49:39 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Roger Foden) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 20:37:41 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.24 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Re: Printing panoramic sprites from OPro Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Fri 5 Jan 2001 (10:35:08 +0000), john@schild.demon.co.uk wrote: > Question 2: How else might I have gone about photo-real printing such a > long sprite from an A4 printer? > !Poster? by David Caughley, Paul LeBeau & Rob McKay 4Mation 14 Castle Park Road Barnstaple Devon EX32 8PA Phone: +44 (1271) 25353 You can define your own paper size and print it off as an automatically tiled set of A4 sheets. I've just tried 2 metres long; it seems to accept the values 2000x200mm, and that's 2 metres long, portrait A4: 12 sheets allowing for the overlap. Regards Roger -- ___ n_ \ ) (^o\. /^\ Roger & Jacki Foden | | /_ / |___| http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/roger.foden/ / \/ \/ \_ _/ roger.foden@argonet.co.uk __\__\___|o_____//_______ Botanising in Greece? Marengo Publications sarpcsarpcsarpcsarpcsarpc Walking in Greece? Marengo Publications -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jan 6 00:30:01 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA143136 for opro ; Sat, 06 Jan 101 00:29:58 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 978736315:10:09238:13; Fri, 05 Jan 2001 23:11:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1009183; 5 Jan 2001 23:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA29967 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 22:09:12 GMT Received: from grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net (grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net [193.67.237.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA29964 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 22:09:09 GMT Received: from padua by grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net via 1Cust37.tnt18.rtm1.nl.uu.net [213.116.130.37] with SMTP for id AAA00201 (8.8.8/1.3); Sat, 6 Jan 2001 00:07:44 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <000001c0776b$ce0f0230$4d01a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: References: Subject: Re: Printing panoramic sprites from OPro Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 22:57:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 05 Jan, Roger Foden wrote: > On Fri 5 Jan 2001 (10:35:08 +0000), john@schild.demon.co.uk wrote: > > > Question 2: How else might I have gone about photo-real printing such a > > long sprite from an A4 printer? > > > !Poster? by David Caughley, Paul LeBeau & Rob McKay > > 4Mation > 14 Castle Park Road > Barnstaple > Devon > EX32 8PA > Phone: +44 (1271) 25353 > > You can define your own paper size and print it off as an automatically tiled > set of A4 sheets. > I've just tried 2 metres long; it seems to accept the values 2000x200mm, and > that's 2 metres long, portrait A4: 12 sheets allowing for the overlap. > What about !Vector, also from 4Mation, that comes free with RISC OS 4 in the bundled software? The menu offers you formats from A5 to 12A0. I have never tried to use large sizes this way. In !Browse I had webpages, larger than A0. Saved as DrawFiles they are displayed full lenght in !Vector, whilst they are only partly -till A0- displayed in !Draw. However, I never tried to print these. mrs. Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jan 6 00:30:02 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA143137 for opro ; Sat, 06 Jan 101 00:29:58 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 978734872:20:07707:16; Fri, 05 Jan 2001 22:47:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2007591; 5 Jan 2001 22:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA29871 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 21:45:50 GMT Received: from spartha.spa.umn.edu (spartha.spa.umn.edu [128.101.220.23]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA28708 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 16:37:35 GMT Received: from lanark.spa.umn.edu (allan@lanark.spa.umn.edu [128.101.220.29]) by spartha.spa.umn.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f05HZpI18489 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 11:35:51 -0600 (CST) Received: (from allan@localhost) by lanark.spa.umn.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA11063 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 11:35:51 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 11:35:51 -0600 From: Graham Allan To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Printing panoramic sprites from OPro Message-ID: <20010105113551.E10149@lanark.spa.umn.edu> References: <143079@pilling.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <143079@pilling.demon.co.uk>; from opro@pilling.demon.co.uk on Fri, Jan 05, 2001 at 01:56:27PM +0000 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri, Jan 05, 2001 at 01:56:27PM +0000, David Pilling wrote: > > > >Question 1: Does OPro 2.60 impose a (normally sensible) printing offset > >limitation of about a metre, or was something else happening? > > Not as far as I know. There are limitations in the RISC OS printing system. That's what I'm thinking... isn't it possible, that if you half the printer resulution (say 360->180 dpi), that the printer driver might get twice as far before falling over!? G. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Graham Allan - I.T. Manager - gta@umn.edu - (612) 624-5040 School of Physics and Astronomy - University of Minnesota ------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jan 6 02:57:27 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA143153 for opro ; Sat, 06 Jan 101 02:57:23 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 978746719:10:13371:14; Sat, 06 Jan 2001 02:05:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1013256; 6 Jan 2001 2:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA30529 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 01:04:25 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA30525 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 01:04:13 GMT Received: from nmalden.demon.co.uk ([158.152.194.89]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 14Eih9-0009Ec-0B; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 02:02:59 +0000 Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 01:36:44 +0000 (GMT) From: Charles Barraball Subject: Re: Printing panoramic sprites from OPro To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk cc: procadusers In-Reply-To: <000001c0776b$ce0f0230$4d01a8c0@padua> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Dad x4; Grandpa x4; Surveyor; DTP-er; '42-er X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 05 Jan, Tonnie Demarteau wrote: > On Fri 05 Jan, Roger Foden wrote: > > > On Fri 5 Jan 2001 (10:35:08 +0000), john@schild.demon.co.uk wrote: > > > > > Question 2: How else might I have gone about photo-real printing such a > > > long sprite from an A4 printer? At the risk of adding little of practical help, !ProCAD+ 1.02 can import sprites, and cope with a paper length of over a kilome 1183,726mm to be precise. If the printer/plotter were wide enough it could do it widthways too. But can it print that much? L.a..t...e....r..... But the question related to A4 printers and I don't know enough about printers and printer drivers - however... PrCad+'s plotter drivers can obviously cope with the length. (Unfortunately the plotter limits paper width to 1183,725.94mm max.) So if the plotter were up to Photo-real standards - and some are, as I understand things - then this might be an answer. Anyone with plotter experience care to comment? Charles -- Home: 020 8949 0708-Vox; 079 5620 0176-Mobile; 087 0164 0025-Fax RiscOS4--Listowner procad-users. ProCAD+ http://www.zynet.co.uk/dsnell Work: 020 7939 9452-Vox 020 7939 9469-Fax mailto:charles.barraball@dswark.org.uk http://www.dswark.org -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jan 6 13:39:39 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA143156 for opro ; Sat, 06 Jan 101 13:39:35 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 978750044:10:18829:14; Sat, 06 Jan 2001 03:00:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1018503; 6 Jan 2001 3:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA30741 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 01:59:25 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA30738 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 01:59:23 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14EjYY-0005Mj-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 02:58:10 +0000 Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 02:39:45 GMT Message-Id: <143149@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ovation Pro 2.61 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Yes, screening for individual pictures is broken in 2.61. I think I'll produce a fixed version 2.62 next week... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jan 6 13:39:43 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA143157 for opro ; Sat, 06 Jan 101 13:39:41 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 978750473:10:26440:14; Sat, 06 Jan 2001 03:07:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1026373; 6 Jan 2001 3:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA30814 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 02:07:33 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA30811 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 02:07:31 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14EjgP-0005np-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 03:06:17 +0000 Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 03:01:52 GMT Message-Id: <143154@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Printing panoramic sprites from OPro X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >This worked OK for offsets up to (minus) one metre, but with offsets >beyond that, although the required portion of the sprite was clearly >visible on screen, my Canon 7100 inkjet could find no more data, and >after several minutes of finding nothing to render disgorged blank >sheets. I'd be inclined to enable the print margin on screen and see if your picture fits in the visible area. This is a way of checking if calculations inside OPro are going wrong. Another way of doing what you were doing would be to have an A4 page with a frame and shift the picture inside the frame. However, I still think just selecting the 'tile' print format within OPro would be the simplest option. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jan 6 13:40:16 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA143161 for opro ; Sat, 06 Jan 101 13:40:14 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 978769816:10:11271:14; Sat, 06 Jan 2001 08:30:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1129556; 6 Jan 2001 8:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA31795 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 07:29:09 GMT Received: from snowy.kiwilink.co.nz (snowy.kiwilink.co.nz [202.27.215.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA31791 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 07:28:54 GMT Received: from timk.ns.planet.gen.nz (ppp-18.kiwilink.co.nz [202.27.215.84]) by snowy.kiwilink.co.nz (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id f068QDD29634 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 21:26:13 +1300 (NZDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tim King To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 21:29:31 +1200 Subject: Re: Printing panoramic sprites from OPro Message-ID: <4a388b0e1btim@de-sig.co.nz> In-Reply-To: <143079@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <143079@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02a (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <143079@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: >> Question 1: Does OPro 2.60 impose a (normally sensible) printing >> offset limitation of about a metre, or was something else >> happening? > Not as far as I know. There are limitations in the RISC OS printing > system. This has been a long-standing problem with large format printers. From the files, David Ruck once replied: >> Perhaps a group of programmers could get the Printers source off >> Pace and fix it up for them... > > An excellent idea. Maybe then the restriction on printable length > (2525mm) could also be fixed. Unfortunately that limitation is not specific to the printer code. The RISC OS VDU graphics system deals with signed 16 bit coordinates, so for a printer resolution of say 300dpi, the maximum paper size becomes is around 2774mm. At 1200dpi it becomes a mere 690mm. Beyond the VDU system, draw files use 32 bit coodinates in 1/256ths of an OS unit, so are good for 710m at 300dpi and 177m at 1200dpi. Font positioning coordinates are absolute 32bit millipoints which gives a range of 0.75Km at all resolutions. So no problem there, we just need to extend the VDU system to 32bit coords. ---druck It's that simple, huh? tim -- Tim King... de-Sig. +64 9 478.3114 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jan 6 15:25:23 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA143171 for opro ; Sat, 06 Jan 101 15:25:18 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 978790802:20:18541:14; Sat, 06 Jan 2001 14:20:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2117201; 6 Jan 2001 14:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA00332 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 13:15:48 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA00329 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 13:15:46 GMT Received: from userev67.uk.uudial.com (62.188.17.250) [62.188.17.250] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 14Eu75-00077m-00; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 14:14:32 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Mijas Software) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 10:50:40 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.24 for RISC OS 4.02 Subject: Re: Printing panoramic sprites from OPro Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Some time ago I did just this for the Mars lander panorama - I think it was about 2 meteres long. I used !Draw set to (I think) A0 and then printed A4 sections using an Epson Stylus Colour printer. No problems - just a fiddle!. John -- ___ _ __ ___________________________________________ |\/| | | |_| (_ / Scientific/Education/Utilities - RISC OS 4 | | | _| | | __) Software / email: mijassw@argonet.co.uk - Developer ____________________________/ web: http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/mijassw/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 8 17:13:20 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA143185 for opro ; Mon, 08 Jan 101 17:13:18 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 978806043:10:09284:13; Sat, 06 Jan 2001 18:34:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1100910; 6 Jan 2001 18:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA01155 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 17:31:38 GMT Received: from mailout01.sul.t-online.com (mailout01.sul.t-online.com [194.25.134.80]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA01152 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 17:31:30 GMT Received: from fwd03.sul.t-online.com by mailout01.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 14Ey6W-0001nf-0C; Sat, 06 Jan 2001 19:30:12 +0100 Received: from veni (520042741018-0001@[62.227.40.19]) by fmrl03.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 14Ey6R-0T69seC; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 19:30:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Bellon To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 19:30:08 +0100 Subject: List applet bug Message-ID: <4a38bc8cf1sbellon@sbellon.de> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain X-Sender: 520042741018-0001@t-dialin.net Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hi! My mother has today written a cooking recipe (right word in English?) with Ovation Pro (version 2.61) and for the ingredients there was something needed in the amount of 1 kg. So she typed: 1 kg [... German expression for something ...] and when she pressed Return, the machine seemed to have crashed. I thought an applet script may loop indefinitely and hit Ctrl-Esc and indeed control was back. After some experimentation I've found out that the !List applet (version 1.01) by Levens Software (whose website I'm unable to reach and look for an update ATM) caused this crash. Can somebody confirm this? And more important: Has somebody a fix for this? TIA. Greetings, Stefan. -- Stefan Bellon * * Data file? No thanks, I prefer to date people -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 8 17:14:38 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA143210 for opro ; Mon, 08 Jan 101 17:14:37 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 978915104:10:03400:13; Mon, 08 Jan 2001 00:51:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1003348; 8 Jan 2001 0:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA06162 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 23:44:57 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA06159 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 23:44:54 GMT Received: from talibard.demon.co.uk ([158.152.207.34]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 14FQPV-0004J1-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 00:43:42 +0000 Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 11:38:14 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael Talibard Subject: gutter width To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R When dealing with poetry, it is often neat (and saves paper) to use a two-column page. Because the lines vary in length, one wants the smallest posible gutter-width, so as to fit in the occasional longer line; it looks OK because most of the lines don't reach the edge of the frame anyway. But Opro won't allow a gutter narrower than 1mm. Why? -- Michael Talibard -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 8 17:14:43 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA143212 for opro ; Mon, 08 Jan 101 17:14:42 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 978945672:10:08527:17; Mon, 08 Jan 2001 09:21:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1102202; 8 Jan 2001 9:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA07616 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 08:18:33 GMT Received: from smtp02.fields.gol.com (smtp02.fields.gol.com [203.216.5.132]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA07613 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 08:18:28 GMT Received: from tc-1-2-191.shinjuku.gol.ne.jp ([203.216.9.191] helo=plattir.gol.com) by smtp02.fields.gol.com with smtp (Magnetic Fields) id 14FYQF-0001py-00 for ; Mon, 08 Jan 2001 18:16:59 +0900 Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 16:20:12 +0000 (GMT) From: "Ian R. Platt" Subject: Re: gutter width To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] X-Abuse-Complaints: abuse@gol.com Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Sun 07 Jan, Michael Talibard wrote: > When dealing with poetry, it is often neat (and saves paper) to use > a two-column page. Because the lines vary in length, one wants the > smallest posible gutter-width, so as to fit in the occasional longer > line; it looks OK because most of the lines don't reach the edge of > the frame anyway. But Opro won't allow a gutter narrower than > 1mm. Why? Or... Put two frames on the page, set to transparent, no text repel, and overlap them as much as you like. I do this with songs. HTH Ian P. -- Ian Platt email: plattir@gol.com StrongArm and Risc OS 4 - UK technology. Continuing to think differently! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 8 21:01:30 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA143256 for opro ; Mon, 08 Jan 101 21:01:27 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 978981763:20:27265:26; Mon, 08 Jan 2001 19:22:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2026798; 8 Jan 2001 19:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA09327 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 18:19:55 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA09316 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 18:19:50 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14FhoS-0000MD-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 19:18:36 +0000 Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 19:01:40 GMT Message-Id: <143247@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: List applet bug X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R >So she typed: >1 kg [... German expression for something ...] >and when she pressed Return, the machine seemed to have crashed. >After some experimentation I've found out that the !List applet >(version 1.01) by Levens Software (whose website I'm unable to reach >and look for an update ATM) caused this crash. When that applet sees one line start with a number, it attempts to start the next line with a number one greater. It works very well, except when you don't want a list, "why do all these numbers keep appearing" is the usual complaint. Since 2.60 has built in auto para numbering you might as well get rid of the applet if it is causing problems. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 8 21:01:36 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA143259 for opro ; Mon, 08 Jan 101 21:01:32 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 978981774:20:27573:13; Mon, 08 Jan 2001 19:22:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2026922; 8 Jan 2001 19:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA09317 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 18:19:50 GMT Received: from smtp.attica.net.nz (mail.attica.net.nz [202.180.64.33]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA05861 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 21:40:01 GMT Received: (qmail 3314 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2001 22:38:34 -0000 Received: from 202-180-111-179.iff25.attica.net.nz (HELO robsinc.amcom.co.nz) (202.180.111.179) by mail.attica.net.nz with SMTP; 7 Jan 2001 22:38:34 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Rob Sinclair To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 10:58:01 +1300 Subject: Re: Printing panoramic sprites from OPro Message-ID: <4a39536b1finfo@sherwoodsolutions.co.nz> In-Reply-To: <4a388b0e1btim@de-sig.co.nz> References: <143079@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4a388b0e1btim@de-sig.co.nz> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 06 Jan, Tim King wrote: > In article <143079@pilling.demon.co.uk>, > David Pilling wrote: > >> Question 1: Does OPro 2.60 impose a (normally sensible) printing > >> offset limitation of about a metre, or was something else > >> happening? > > Not as far as I know. There are limitations in the RISC OS printing > > system. > This has been a long-standing problem with large format printers. From > the files, David Ruck once replied: > >> Perhaps a group of programmers could get the Printers source off > >> Pace and fix it up for them... > > > > An excellent idea. Maybe then the restriction on printable length > > (2525mm) could also be fixed. > Unfortunately that limitation is not specific to the printer code. The > RISC OS VDU graphics system deals with signed 16 bit coordinates, so > for a printer resolution of say 300dpi, the maximum paper size becomes > is around 2774mm. At 1200dpi it becomes a mere 690mm. > Beyond the VDU system, draw files use 32 bit coodinates in 1/256ths of > an OS unit, so are good for 710m at 300dpi and 177m at 1200dpi. Font > positioning coordinates are absolute 32bit millipoints which gives a > range of 0.75Km at all resolutions. > So no problem there, we just need to extend the VDU system to 32bit > coords. > ---druck > It's that simple, huh? If it was, then surely someone would have fixed it by now. I run a large format 300dpi Novajet printer under RISC OS. The maximum printable length is 2225mm from Artworks and Ovation Pro. OPro won't print sprites or other bitmaps longer than 2000mm - it simply feeds blank paper until 2 metres of image remains and then starts to print. Photodesk does exactly the same. In both cases the actual image file resolution is irrelevant. Changing the printer resolution from 300 to 150dpi doesn't help. Artworks will print sprites longer than 2 metres, provided the Artworks file size is less than about 22MB. Charles Barraball wrote in this thread: > At the risk of adding little of practical help, !ProCAD+ 1.02 can import > sprites, and cope with a paper length of over a kilometre. > 1183,726mm to be precise. If the printer/plotter were wide enough it > could do it widthways too. > But can it print that much? Probably not. Is there any RISC OS user out there with !ProCAD+ and a Novajet who can test this? (Tim, I think you have ProCAD - maybe we can organise something here in NZ) I don't understand enough to know if these problems are do do with the VDU system or not, but I'd certainly be grateful enough to pay a reasonable price for a solution. -- Rob Sinclair Sherwood Solutions - Large Format Digital Graphics PO Box 5559, Papanui, Christchurch, New Zealand Tel +64-3-351 6603 Fax +64-3-351 5886 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 8 21:01:40 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA143261 for opro ; Mon, 08 Jan 101 21:01:37 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 978981776:20:27589:16; Mon, 08 Jan 2001 19:22:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2027249; 8 Jan 2001 19:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA09330 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 18:20:00 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA09325 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 18:19:53 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14FhoV-0000MD-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 19:18:39 +0000 Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 19:04:57 GMT Message-Id: <143251@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Printing panoramic sprites from OPro X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >The maximum printable length is 2225mm from Artworks and Ovation Pro. Its interesting to consider why there might be a limit. There are 180 RISC OS units in one inch, most modern sprites have 2 OS units per pixel. If the limit is 16 bits being used for graphics, then 32767/180 is 182 inches. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 8 21:01:46 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA143263 for opro ; Mon, 08 Jan 101 21:01:43 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 978981776:20:27598:13; Mon, 08 Jan 2001 19:22:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2027467; 8 Jan 2001 19:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA09310 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 18:19:48 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA01076 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 17:07:07 GMT Received: from island-phase.demon.co.uk ([193.237.208.208]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 14Exiz-000932-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 18:05:53 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mike Norris To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 18:05:13 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Graduated Fill Message-ID: <4a38ba44eamike@island-phase.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.14d (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I've got 2.61 installed ... this is the first time since upgrading that I've tried to use graduated fill ... ... the fill works then OvnPro crashes ...type5 error I checked back with my old copy of 2.58 and that's still working fine. ... any thoughts? -- .. Just a Physicist playing with the Universe .. Mike Norris resides in the English Lake District ... Acorn StrongArm 233MHz RiscPC ... -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 8 21:01:49 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA143265 for opro ; Mon, 08 Jan 101 21:01:47 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 978981781:20:27718:13; Mon, 08 Jan 2001 19:23:01 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2027145; 8 Jan 2001 19:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA09329 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 18:19:57 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA09321 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 18:19:51 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14FhoU-0000MD-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 19:18:38 +0000 Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 19:04:54 GMT Message-Id: <143249@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Graduated Fill X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I've got 2.61 installed ... this is the first time since upgrading that I've >tried to use graduated fill ... >... the fill works then OvnPro crashes ...type5 error >I checked back with my old copy of 2.58 and that's still working fine. NB that at 2.59 a new version of the fill applet appeared, if you attempt to use the fill applet from 2.58 with 2.59 or later, a crash will result. The newer fill applet is on the OPro CD (although not obvious because it is in a directory so appears at the bottom of the filer window). David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 8 21:49:31 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA143293 for opro ; Mon, 08 Jan 101 21:49:27 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 978988856:10:13645:13; Mon, 08 Jan 2001 21:20:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1013555; 8 Jan 2001 21:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA10158 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 20:18:42 GMT Received: from snowy.kiwilink.co.nz (snowy.kiwilink.co.nz [202.27.215.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA10155 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 20:18:33 GMT Received: from timk.ns.planet.gen.nz (ppp-26.kiwilink.co.nz [202.27.215.92]) by snowy.kiwilink.co.nz (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id f08LFrD29027 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 10:15:54 +1300 (NZDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tim King To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 09:31:19 +1200 Subject: Re: Printing panoramic sprites from OPro Message-ID: <4a39d4cf77tim@de-sig.co.nz> In-Reply-To: <143251@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <143251@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02a (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <143251@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: >> The maximum printable length is 2225mm from Artworks and Ovation >> Pro. > Its interesting to consider why there might be a limit. There are > 180 RISC OS units in one inch, most modern sprites have 2 OS units > per pixel. If the limit is 16 bits being used for graphics, then > 32767/180 is 182 inches. Ok, if you say so, David ;-) I actually always thought the limits were set by the printers in firmware. I have an A2 printer here that has a different limit to Rob's Novajet, the A3 printer has a different limit again... Doesn't seem to matter what (and at what resolution) you throw at them. If it is just a matter of the precociousness of printers (asking the manufacturerers has been a futile exercise), then the users view is that surely it's a trivial matter to have !Printers insert a code overwriting it. Surely, eh? Tim -- Tim King... de-Sig. +64 9 478.3114 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 9 01:37:07 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA143312 for opro ; Tue, 09 Jan 101 01:37:04 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 978997452:10:11369:14; Mon, 08 Jan 2001 23:44:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1011222; 8 Jan 2001 23:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA10631 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 22:41:37 GMT Received: from mailout00.sul.t-online.com (mailout00.sul.t-online.com [194.25.134.16]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA10626 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 22:41:34 GMT Received: from fwd00.sul.t-online.com by mailout00.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 14Fltj-0006X8-01; Tue, 09 Jan 2001 00:40:19 +0100 Received: from veni (520042741018-0001@[62.227.38.47]) by fmrl00.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 14FltY-1KCFOqC; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 00:40:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Bellon To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 00:05:11 +0100 Subject: Re: List applet bug Message-ID: <4a39dd675esbellon@sbellon.de> In-Reply-To: <143247@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <143247@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain X-Sender: 520042741018-0001@t-dialin.net Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <143247@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >So she typed: > >1 kg [... German expression for something ...] > >and when she pressed Return, the machine seemed to have crashed. > >After some experimentation I've found out that the !List applet > >(version 1.01) by Levens Software (whose website I'm unable to reach > >and look for an update ATM) caused this crash. > When that applet sees one line start with a number, it attempts to > start the next line with a number one greater. It works very well, > except when you don't want a list, "why do all these numbers keep > appearing" is the usual complaint. Yes, I know and I've used the applet successfully in the past and I know that it once worked. But it doesn't at present for me! It creates some sort if infinite loop in the Ovation Pro script language. You have to hit Ctrl-Esc in order to gain control back. > Since 2.60 has built in auto para numbering you might as well get rid > of the applet if it is causing problems. Ah, right, that's a good point. Greetings, Stefan. -- Stefan Bellon * * If at first you don't succeed, get someone else to do it. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 9 13:48:28 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA143333 for opro ; Tue, 09 Jan 101 13:48:21 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 979008382:20:09778:13; Tue, 09 Jan 2001 02:46:22 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2128221; 9 Jan 2001 2:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA11225 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 01:41:46 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA11221 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 01:41:44 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14Foi7-000KOL-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 02:40:31 +0000 Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 02:32:09 GMT Message-Id: <143325@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Printing panoramic sprites from OPro X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Sorry, you've lost me there. What's the significance of 32767 OS units? RISC OS uses 16 bits for some graphics operations, knocking off one bit for the sign, we're left with 15 which can store a maximum size number of 32767. The point I was making though is that if there's a limit you should try to see where it is coming from. If there's a rational explanation that is, sometimes people just say "we have to have a limit, lets make it 2metres". >vector graphics not sprites. Sprites as I said are cut short to 2 metres >(78.7in) or thereabouts in OPro & Photodesk, but not in Artworks. Which is interesting. Artworks and other CC programs have their own graphics subsystems. Often that leads to the "can't transform point" error on sprites with too many pixels for them. As Tim has hinted another source of limits is that some printers need 'enabling' before they will print large images. That sort of thing is far away from RISC OS, and Ovation Pro. All these things are possible causes, not everyones problem will have the same solution. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 9 13:48:41 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA143336 for opro ; Tue, 09 Jan 101 13:48:31 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 979008457:20:11120:14; Tue, 09 Jan 2001 02:47:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2011068; 9 Jan 2001 2:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA11223 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 01:41:45 GMT Received: from mta6-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta6-rme.xtra.co.nz [203.96.92.19]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA11119 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 01:04:00 GMT Received: from xtr474144.xtra.co.nz ([210.55.149.216]) by mta6-rme.xtra.co.nz with SMTP id <20010109020205.HSIY3502278.mta6-rme.xtra.co.nz@xtr474144.xtra.co.nz> for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 15:02:05 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Rob Sinclair To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 13:51:49 +1300 Subject: Re: Printing panoramic sprites from OPro Message-ID: <4a39e72ac9info@sherwoodsolutions.co.nz> In-Reply-To: <143251@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <143251@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 09 Jan, David Pilling wrote: > >The maximum printable length is 2225mm from Artworks and Ovation Pro. > Its interesting to consider why there might be a limit. There are 180 RISC OS > units in one inch, most modern sprites have 2 OS units per pixel. > If the limit is 16 bits being used for graphics, then 32767/180 is > 182 inches. Sorry, you've lost me there. What's the significance of 32767 OS units? 182 inches x 25.4 = 4622.8mm. I wrote the wrong max printable length above. The figure is actually 2525mm = 99.4in or approx 17,894 OS units. Also, this limit is for vector graphics not sprites. Sprites as I said are cut short to 2 metres (78.7in) or thereabouts in OPro & Photodesk, but not in Artworks. What's the significance of 32767 OS units? Rob -- Rob Sinclair Sherwood Solutions - Large Format Digital Graphics PO Box 5559, Papanui, Christchurch, New Zealand Tel +64-3-351 6603 Fax +64-3-351 5886 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 9 16:53:44 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA143349 for opro ; Tue, 09 Jan 101 16:53:42 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 979048478:20:19881:15; Tue, 09 Jan 2001 13:54:38 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2109876; 9 Jan 2001 13:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA13147 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 12:50:19 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA13144 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 12:50:16 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14Fz95-000FVJ-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 13:49:03 +0000 Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 02:40:34 GMT Message-Id: <143329@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Mailmerge labels X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I have a 6-line (max.),8-field, label layout, the last line of which has >[County]space[Postcode] as merge tags. I've adopted your suggestions (in >Example 6) for removing blank lines (which occur in most of my addresses), and >have found out by trial and error which numbers to use in the field functions, >to achieve 'move-up' of fields following blank fields. The only problem >concerns the last line, with two tags: what seems to happen is that a CR gets >inserted after the tag for County, so that after moving up Postcode is always >put on the *next* line Its not that is it. If you have a layout like [TAG 1] [TAG 2] ... [TAG 7] [TAG 8] Then if you knock out field 3 say, field 7 ends up in TAG 6, field 8 in TAG 7, thats why it appears to scroll back a line. No CR's involved. What I would suggest is designing a label like [TAG 1] [TAG 2] ... [TAG 7] Then change the code so that whenever field 7 is referenced it is replaced by field 7 + field 8. >ago now], and from your script reference guide, I have a rough idea of what the >field scripts do, but I'd be interested to know what variables 'i' and 'j' In this bit? {int i=1,j=1;while(j<=5 && i<=6) {if(field(i)!="")j++; i++;} macv=(j<=5)?" ":field(i-1);} i is the field number, i.e. which bit of data you are reading, j is the tag number, i.e. which tag you are writing to. As long as all fields have data in them (none blank) the i and j remain in step. If there is a blank field then i increases but j does not. So my suggestion would consist of replacing field(i) by (i==7?(field(i)+" "+field(i+1)):field(i)) and field(i-1) by (i==6?(field(i-1)+" "+field(i):field(i-1)) Becuase we're gluing fields 7 and 8 together you'd have to pretend the total number of fields was 7. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 9 16:53:52 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA143352 for opro ; Tue, 09 Jan 101 16:53:50 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 979048407:10:10574:14; Tue, 09 Jan 2001 13:53:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1100637; 9 Jan 2001 13:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA13142 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 12:50:16 GMT Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA142474 for david ; Fri, 22 Dec 100 20:49:50 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 977505121:10:20415:0; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 17:12:01 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1020332; 22 Dec 2000 17:11 GMT Received: from userao74.uk.uudial.com (62.188.135.190) [62.188.135.190] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 149VjU-00071R-00; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 17:11:53 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Mr. D.M. Wells) To: david@pilling.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 16:27:05 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.24 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Mailmerge labels Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hi David! I'm very impressed with the ease of using OPro's mailmerge to produce address labels from a CSV file (which I can create in a !Eureka spreadsheet), but I've run into a small problem which my ignorance of the details of script language stops me solving:I hope you might be able to help. I have a 6-line (max.),8-field, label layout, the last line of which has [County]space[Postcode] as merge tags. I've adopted your suggestions (in Example 6) for removing blank lines (which occur in most of my addresses), and have found out by trial and error which numbers to use in the field functions, to achieve 'move-up' of fields following blank fields. The only problem concerns the last line, with two tags: what seems to happen is that a CR gets inserted after the tag for County, so that after moving up Postcode is always put on the *next* line, instead of the same line as County. It is usable, but it would be more elegant to have Postcode where it belongs (when *all six* lines are used, both County and Postcode are where they should be, on line 6). Any suggestions, please? >From my rather limited knowledge of conditional Basic programming [some years ago now], and from your script reference guide, I have a rough idea of what the field scripts do, but I'd be interested to know what variables 'i' and 'j' represent. I first thought 'i' must be current field number, and 'j' line number, but soon found this to be unlikely. At present I have 'i<=8' in *all* of the 'while' expressions (field 8 is the last one which may have to be moved up), whereas in 'while' and in 'macv' I have 'j<=3' for field 3 through to 'j<=8' for field 8. This seems to work fine except for the Postcode problem: other number combinations gave a variety of interesting incorrect layouts! Best wishes for Christmas and New Year, Denys Wells. -- [email from dwells@argonet.co.uk (Denys Wells)] -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 9 19:06:02 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA143367 for opro ; Tue, 09 Jan 101 19:06:00 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 979065612:10:02718:13; Tue, 09 Jan 2001 18:40:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1002308; 9 Jan 2001 18:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA14329 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 17:37:20 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA14326 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 17:37:19 GMT Received: from userej16.uk.uudial.com (62.188.13.27) [62.188.13.27] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 14G3cq-0003ol-00; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 18:36:04 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Dr P.N.Young" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 15:26:04 +0000 (GMT) Subject: SuperShift bugette. Message-ID: <4a3a373502pnyoung@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Not important, but a bit annoying, particularly as I find this applet invaluable. If I end a sentence with a full-stop, and then go to another part of the document, e.g. to correct a typing mistake, the next letter I type is capitalised even though it may be in the middle of a word. I see how this happens; the computer, as so often, is doing exactly what it was told to do regardless of the context. Is there a way round this,except for not making typing mistakes? :-) OPro 2.60, SuprShft 1.01. Best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. Anne \ / __ __ \ England. Cecilia / / \ | | |\ | / _ \http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/pnyoung James / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \_____________ pnyoung@argonet.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 10 00:49:13 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA143392 for opro ; Wed, 10 Jan 101 00:49:10 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 979082639:10:13985:14; Tue, 09 Jan 2001 23:23:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1013875; 9 Jan 2001 23:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA15119 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 22:21:41 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA15114 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 22:21:38 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14G841-0006bO-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 23:20:25 +0000 Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 23:02:12 GMT Message-Id: <143389@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Ovation Pro 2.62 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro OvationPro 2.62 is now available from the upgrade page on the Ovation Pro area of my web sites. http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/upgrade/op262.zip This fixes the problems in last weeks 2.61 upgrade, as well as a few more problems. This time the patch will work on 2.60 or 2.61. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 10 00:49:15 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA143393 for opro ; Wed, 10 Jan 101 00:49:14 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 979082650:10:14635:13; Tue, 09 Jan 2001 23:24:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1014401; 9 Jan 2001 23:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA15118 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 22:21:40 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA15110 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 22:21:37 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14G840-0006bO-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 23:20:24 +0000 Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 23:02:09 GMT Message-Id: <143387@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: SuperShift bugette. X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Is there a way round this,except for not making typing mistakes? :-) Adding more code to the applet to check for the caret having been moved in mid event. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 10 13:40:09 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA143415 for opro ; Wed, 10 Jan 101 13:40:06 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 979118087:20:19502:13; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 09:14:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2019173; 10 Jan 2001 9:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA16759 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 08:04:56 GMT Received: from mserv1e.vianw.co.uk (mserv1e.vianw.co.uk [195.102.240.97]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA16756 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 08:04:54 GMT Received: from [194.119.179.59] (helo=Caslon.english.co.uk) by mserv1e.vianw.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.10 #37) id 14GHAR-0007GG-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 09:03:39 +0000 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 09:00:35 +0000 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 09:01:07 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ovation Pro 2.62 Message-ID: <80cc973a4a%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <143389@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > > OvationPro 2.62 is now available from the upgrade page on the Ovation Pro > area of my web sites. > Thanks for the revisions to the Style menu (showing full font names etc). It looks really useful. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 10 13:40:25 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA143419 for opro ; Wed, 10 Jan 101 13:40:24 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 979118431:10:11278:20; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 09:20:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1116794; 10 Jan 2001 9:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA16838 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 08:16:46 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA16835 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 08:16:44 GMT Received: from usercd02.uk.uudial.com (62.188.151.113) [62.188.151.113] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 14GHLt-0006iH-00; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 09:15:30 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: G N P Jenkins To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 07:09:06 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Mailmerge labels Message-ID: <4a3a8d878bjenpyjay@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 22 Dec, Mr. D.M. Wells wrote: [Snip] > I have a 6-line (max.),8-field, label layout, the last line of which has > [County]space[Postcode] as merge tags. [Snip] As I understand it, the automatic address readers in the mail sorting offices look for the postcode on the last line of the address on its own, so you would be better leaving the County out altogether. Cheers - -- Graham N P Jenkins jenpyjay@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 10 20:23:35 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA143495 for opro ; Wed, 10 Jan 101 20:23:32 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 979150881:10:24094:13; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 18:21:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1101094; 10 Jan 2001 18:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA19164 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 17:20:34 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA19161 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 17:20:33 GMT Received: from userab23.uk.uudial.com (62.188.130.122) [62.188.130.122] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 14GPqA-00075R-00; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 18:19:19 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Dr P.N.Young" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 18:17:45 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: SuperShift bugette. Message-ID: <4a3acac2a2pnyoung@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <143387@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <143387@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <143387@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >Is there a way round this,except for not making typing mistakes? :-) > Adding more code to the applet to check for the caret having been > moved in mid event. Anyone game to do this? As it's beyond me, I regret. Best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. Anne \ / __ __ \ England. Cecilia / / \ | | |\ | / _ \http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/pnyoung James / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \_____________ pnyoung@argonet.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 10 20:23:42 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA143499 for opro ; Wed, 10 Jan 101 20:23:40 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 979150001:20:25232:14; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 18:06:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2124760; 10 Jan 2001 18:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA19040 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 17:04:28 GMT Received: from dino.intonet.co.uk (root@dino.intonet.co.uk [62.232.111.3]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA19036 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 17:04:26 GMT Received: from marteng.intonet.co.uk (user178.intonet.co.uk [62.232.111.110]) by dino.intonet.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA09949 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 18:03:13 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Marten Gallagher To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 18:01:19 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Mailmerge labels Message-ID: <4a3ac9418bmarteng@intonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a3a8d878bjenpyjay@argonet.co.uk> References: <4a3a8d878bjenpyjay@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > As I understand it, the automatic address readers in the mail sorting > offices look for the postcode on the last line of the address on its own, > so you would be better leaving the County out altogether. I was tolf by Royal Mail it should be immediately ABOVE the top line of the address. And...they don't want the county in the address - POST TOWN then POSTCODE Slainte -- Marten Gallagher - marten@annerykiln.co.uk http://www.annerykiln.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 11 13:51:25 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA143553 for opro ; Thu, 11 Jan 101 13:51:23 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 979216822:10:01410:14; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 12:40:22 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1118129; 11 Jan 2001 12:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA22748 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 11:38:03 GMT Received: from mail4.svr.pol.co.uk (mail4.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.211]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA22745 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 11:38:01 GMT Received: from modem-9.dextromethorphn.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.90.137] helo=beeston12) by mail4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 14GgyG-0006OS-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 12:36:48 +0000 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 18:15:53 +0000 From: Robin Phillips To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Text flow and Default master page Message-ID: <2697ca3a4a%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <142952@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: home X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m User-Agent: POPstar/2.02 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Dear colleagues, Thank you. The frame-libking problem i mentioned has now been sorted out. Best wishes, Robin. > >But this time, when I start filling up the 3rd page and it reaches the > >foot, it produces the text overflow sign instead of producing a 4th page. > >What have I done wrong? > > Hard to say, your description of what you want to do is correct. > So perhaps you didn't do what you said, I think you were right there! -- Robin Phillips, 1, Newcastle Avenue, Beeston, Notts., NG9 1BT; Phone: +44 (0)115 922 4930 E-mail: rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 11 13:51:34 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA143559 for opro ; Thu, 11 Jan 101 13:51:33 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 979192605:20:24735:13; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 05:56:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2024674; 11 Jan 2001 5:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA21213 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 04:24:35 GMT Received: from snowy.kiwilink.co.nz (snowy.kiwilink.co.nz [202.27.215.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA21208 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 04:24:20 GMT Received: from timk.ns.planet.gen.nz (ppp-02.kiwilink.co.nz [202.27.215.68]) by snowy.kiwilink.co.nz (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id f0B5LgX27899 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 18:21:42 +1300 (NZDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tim King To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 18:07:11 +1200 Subject: Hidden disc reference Message-ID: <4a3b0bb5edtim@de-sig.co.nz> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02a (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I've developed a problem post-scripting a job. Simply, I've removed a SCSI drive that contained this whole job (about 750MB) and have transfered all the files across to a larger IDEFS drive. Now, whenever I try to ps any of them, I get a SCSI error message - Please insert disc Stiffy. So... No referenced or proxy images. Minimize mem. Save as DDL - can't find any SCSI reference anywhere. REload. Same error, but does load ok after clicking Cancel twice. Delete everything in file; clear clipboard etc. ReDDL - same result. Save Style sheet. Error on saving, but saves. Error on loading, but loads. Still doesn't ps. New files ps fine. Other files that used to be on the SCSI drive ps fine. AW's files from the same job that were on the old drive ps fine. But no OP files from this job ps's to file, though they print quite happily to LD and other printers, and they print to file using those printers. In all cases, the file output ('Printout') used to be written to the SCSI drive, but is now directed to IDEFS. Any idea what's being looked for? Tim -- Tim King... de-Sig. +64 9 478.3114 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 11 13:51:42 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA143563 for opro ; Thu, 11 Jan 101 13:51:41 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 979213732:20:17738:16; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 11:48:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2101465; 11 Jan 2001 11:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA22301 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 10:18:02 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA22298 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 10:18:00 GMT Received: from userca99.uk.uudial.com (62.188.150.167) [62.188.150.167] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 14Gfin-000621-00; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 11:16:45 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mr R O Davis To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 10:50:46 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Blank lines point size user-problem Message-ID: <4a3b25aca6rod@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <143084@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <143084@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.14i (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro When formatting a document I find that I do not like to have a full line space between paragraphs.. as one would obtain on a typewriter. Neither do I like not to have some space between paragraphs. At present I have to go through the document highlighting the blank line and setting it to 4pt (say) all through the doc. This is bearable. BUT sometimes one resets the point size of the whole piece (perhaps to get it all to fit on the same page) and this resets all the laboriously changed blank lines. Is there an easier way of doing this? Have I missed some specialised feature or applet? -- /\ _ \ |==============| / / / \__\ |===================| | Rodger Davis | /_/ / / / \ | rod@argonet.co.uk | |==============| / \_/\_/ /___) |===================| -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 11 13:51:45 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA143564 for opro ; Thu, 11 Jan 101 13:51:43 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 979213932:20:25602:18; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 11:52:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2025681; 11 Jan 2001 11:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA22409 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 10:46:07 GMT Received: from mail1.hw.ac.uk (mail1.hw.ac.uk [137.195.170.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA22406 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 10:46:05 GMT Received: from [137.195.101.212] (helo=mail-r2.hw.ac.uk ident=exim) by mail1.hw.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 14GgA0-0006vS-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 11:44:52 +0000 Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.32.15]) by mail-r2.hw.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 14GgA0-00025s-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 11:44:52 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 11:44:32 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Blank lines point size user-problem Message-ID: <4a3b2a98b9C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a3b25aca6rod@argonet.co.uk> References: <143084@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4a3b25aca6rod@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4a3b25aca6rod@argonet.co.uk>, Mr R O Davis wrote: > When formatting a document I find that I do not like to have a > full line space between paragraphs.. as one would obtain on a > typewriter. Neither do I like not to have some space between > paragraphs. > At present I have to go through the document highlighting the > blank line and setting it to 4pt (say) all through the doc. > This is bearable. BUT sometimes one resets the point size of > the whole piece (perhaps to get it all to fit on the same > page) and this resets all the laboriously changed blank lines. > Is there an easier way of doing this? Have I missed some > specialised feature or applet? I would think the obvious way to do it is to have "space after" defined for the style. (You need to use the menu option Style->Edit style, select the style, and then click on the Format... button). Use a value of 4 pt or whatever. The best way of resetting the point size of the whole document is to change the font size of the base style - takes a couple of seconds or so. This is the whole point of defining styles - it is easy to modify the document, or parts of a document. Chris... -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) mailto: Chris@bulldog.u-net.com (at home) ovpro web site http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 11 13:51:47 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA143565 for opro ; Thu, 11 Jan 101 13:51:46 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 979215560:20:01404:13; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 12:19:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2028594; 11 Jan 2001 12:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA22570 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 11:16:21 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk [137.205.192.31]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA22567 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 11:16:18 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@pansy [137.205.192.19]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.10.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id f0BCF1c24307 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 12:15:02 GMT Received: from TREVOR ([137.205.186.55]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.10.1/8.9.3) with SMTP id f0BCF1D13349 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 12:15:01 GMT From: "Nick Kaijaks" To: Subject: RE: Blank lines point size user-problem Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 12:11:12 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <4a3b25aca6rod@argonet.co.uk> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Rodger Davis wrote: >When formatting a document I find that I do not like to have a >full line space between paragraphs.. as one would obtain on a >typewriter. Neither do I like not to have some space between >paragraphs. > >At present I have to go through the document highlighting the >blank line and setting it to 4pt (say) all through the doc. > >This is bearable. BUT sometimes one resets the point size of >the whole piece (perhaps to get it all to fit on the same >page) and this resets all the laboriously changed blank lines. > >Is there an easier way of doing this? Have I missed some >specialised feature or applet? Edit the current style (Ctrl-Shift-E), click the 'format' button and enter 4pt in the space below box. That'll put an extra 4pts after every paragraph in that style. You then don't need to put in blank lines either. For reference, this assumes that the style has 'paragraph' scope, but this is the default anyway. Cheers, Nick -- Nick Kaijaks, Pinxit Design - Information Design for Internet and print http://www.kaijaks.co.uk/ mailto:nick@kaijaks.co.uk Disclaimer: caveat internettor -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 11 18:40:01 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA143593 for opro ; Thu, 11 Jan 101 18:39:56 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 979236271:10:15190:16; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 18:04:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1117409; 11 Jan 2001 18:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA23908 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 17:02:31 GMT Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net (monsoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA23901 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 17:02:28 GMT Received: (qmail 22363 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2001 18:01:15 -0000 Received: from useraf01.uk.uudial.com (HELO localhost) (62.188.131.242) by smtp-1.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2001 18:01:15 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mark Fraser To: Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 17:36:27 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Landscape Brochure Message-ID: <4a3b4ad0dfmfraser@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I'm trying to print an A5 landscape brochure by putting two pages on one sheet of A4. i.e. ----------------------------------------- : -------------------------------- : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : Page 1 : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : -------------------------------- : : : : -------------------------------- : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : Page 2 : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : -------------------------------- : : : : : ----------------------------------------- However, Ovation prints the two pages side by side i.e. ---------------------------------------------------------- : ----------------------- ----------------------- : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : P : : P : : : : a : : a : : : : g : : g : : : : e : : e : : : : : : : : : : 1 : : 2 : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : ----------------------- ----------------------- : : : ---------------------------------------------------------- Selecting sideways just rotates the whole page. Other than turning the frame through 90 degrees and typing sideways, I can't think of a solution. -- Pour you a beer, Mr. Peterson? Alright, but stop me at one.... make that one-thirty. ______________________________________________________ |\ /| ark Fraser /mfraser@ukgateway.net www.mfraser.ukgateway.net | \/ | Somerset /Using !Pluto on an Acorn SA RISC PC ICQ:19835705 | |___________/You know what the sig means! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 11 20:30:50 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA143600 for opro ; Thu, 11 Jan 101 20:30:47 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 979238675:20:11773:19; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 18:44:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2125915; 11 Jan 2001 18:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA24096 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 17:41:58 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA23244 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 13:34:38 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14Gin5-0009zB-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 14:33:23 +0000 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 14:16:17 GMT Message-Id: <143579@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Hidden disc reference X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Save as DDL - can't find any SCSI reference anywhere. REload. Same >error, but does load ok after clicking Cancel twice. ^^^^ Print? >Save Style sheet. Error on saving, but saves. Error on loading, but loads. what error? >New files ps fine. Other files that used to be on the SCSI drive ps >fine. AW's files from the same job that were on the old drive ps fine. >But no OP files from this job ps's to file, though they print quite >happily to LD and other printers, and they print to file using those Presumeably the logic is that since you can print to other printers what is going wrong is PS specific. So for example it couldn't be referenced images because they access referenced images just like PS does. Although EPS/DCS files would be a special case, ignored by normal drivers but not by PS, they'd still need to be referenced to cause trouble. The argument about "new files PS these ones don't", relies on the two being equivalent i.e. having the same settings for screening, etc. etc. Other ideas... a font which still appears to be on SCSI? (F12, *show font$path), virtualise set up and using SCSI for scratch space? Some other knock on from perhaps gobbling up a lot of disc space (try printing to the file null:) Presumeably a quick check would be to load the original document into Edit and search for the string SCSI. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 11 20:30:53 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA143601 for opro ; Thu, 11 Jan 101 20:30:51 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 979239329:10:29041:14; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 18:55:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1027237; 11 Jan 2001 18:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA24198 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 17:51:13 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA24195 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 17:51:11 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14GmnO-000G2D-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 18:49:58 +0000 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 18:44:32 GMT Message-Id: <143595@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Landscape Brochure X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Selecting sideways just rotates the whole page. Other than turning the frame >through 90 degrees and typing sideways, I can't think of a solution. ISTR this has been asked before, the general answer is define your own imposition format. Pamphlet printing is just a script file I wrote. You can write your own... However (pure guess) how about the thumbnails print format. As long as you don't mind sorting out page order by hand. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 11 20:31:03 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA143605 for opro ; Thu, 11 Jan 101 20:31:02 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 979242815:10:07377:15; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 19:53:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1124782; 11 Jan 2001 19:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA24481 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 18:51:54 GMT Received: from mail12.svr.pol.co.uk (mail12.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.215]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA24478 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 18:51:52 GMT Received: from modem-91.flagfin-angel.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.12.91] helo=fsnet.co.uk) by mail12.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 14Gnk7-0001UG-00; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 19:50:39 +0000 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 19:44:12 +0000 (GMT) From: "Dr. Don Lewis" Subject: Re: Ovation Pro 2.61 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk cc: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk, David Pilling In-Reply-To: <142990@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 04 Jan, David Pilling wrote: > > An upgrade from OvationPro 2.60 to 2.61 is now available from the upgrade > page on the Ovation Pro area of my web sites. > > http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/upgrade/op260.zip > Is any one else having trouble? Fresco (via Freeserve) cannot get into this site "URL could not be retreived". Or the 262 site! Any advice? Don -- Dr. Don Lewis 204, Stoke Lane, Phone (+44) 117 9682108 Bristol, BS9 3RU Email don@lewis-wot.fsnet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 11 21:32:01 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA143618 for opro ; Thu, 11 Jan 101 21:31:58 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 979246520:10:20619:16; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 20:55:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1020553; 11 Jan 2001 20:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA24719 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 19:54:05 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA24716 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 19:54:03 GMT Received: from retreat.demon.co.uk ([158.152.123.49]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 14GoiG-000D59-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 20:52:49 +0000 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 20:30:47 +0000 (GMT) From: Malcolm Cowell Subject: Re: Landscape Brochure To: Ovation mail list In-Reply-To: <143595@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hello David Yes, back in Feb 1999 I asked about what I called a 'Flip chart style pamphlet' and got several replies but eventually sent my own solution (which is not elegant). See below: On Thu 11 Jan, David Pilling wrote: > >Selecting sideways just rotates the whole page. Other than turning the frame > >through 90 degrees and typing sideways, I can't think of a solution. > > ISTR this has been asked before, the general answer is define your > own imposition format. Pamphlet printing is just a script file > I wrote. You can write your own... > > However (pure guess) how about the thumbnails print format. As long > as you don't mind sorting out page order by hand. > ***** from Wed 17 Feb 1999 On Sat 06 Feb, David Pilling wrote: > > As to the problem, how to get a landscape A5 document printed across A4. so that it works as a top hinged pamphlet. > In general the problem is imposition. The solution is to take the existing > pamphlet script and modify it to do what you want. > Yes, well.. I did look at the script and being willing to learn I tried changing values but gave up realising that suck-it-and-see is not a way to write scripts :-) The way I did it eventually was: Start New document - A5 sideways, no master frame but in Master Page put frame guidlines where the frames will go. In Document window create text frame to fit the guidelines. Make small frame for page number. Use Ctrl N to insert page number. Create any Header and Footer frames and group the whole page. Insert as many new pages after Page 1 as needed and copy the empty Page 1 group into all of them. This gives correct page numbering. Do your document text etc. but without flow linking page to page. To rotate for printing: CtrlE to edit master page - Page guidelines.... untick "Sideways" Then with first page open Shift-Ctrl A to select all Shift - Ctrl K to group F7 to open "Modify Object", change Angle to 90 deg. Click OK and reposition into rotated guidelines. Then pamphlet print as usual. *Now* someone will tell me they've just done an applet to make it a one click operation ... :-) ****** Sorry, no one did. And I haven't used the above since so am not up to date with it. Malcolm -- Malcolm Cowell IEng MIIE Python Publishing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 11 21:32:05 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA143620 for opro ; Thu, 11 Jan 101 21:32:03 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 979247171:10:14212:13; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 21:06:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1109947; 11 Jan 2001 21:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA24779 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 20:04:42 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA24776 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 20:04:40 GMT Received: from hillview.demon.co.uk ([158.152.49.156] helo=hillview) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 14GosZ-000EXo-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 21:03:28 +0000 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 20:01:02 +0000 From: Malcolm Fraser To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ovation Pro 2.61 Message-ID: <780d583b4a.malcolm@hillview.demon.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (Newsbase/0.61b) (RISC-OS/4.03) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message you wrote: -> On Thu 04 Jan, David Pilling wrote: -> > -> > An upgrade from OvationPro 2.60 to 2.61 is now available from the upgrade -> > page on the Ovation Pro area of my web sites. -> > -> > http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/upgrade/op260.zip -> > -> Is any one else having trouble? Fresco (via Freeserve) cannot get into -> this site "URL could not be retreived". Or the 262 site! -> Any advice? -> Don I have just had a problem using Oregano, getting "Document not found (error 404). However, I went to the parent page instead by deleting op260.zip and was then able to download the upgrade by clicking on the link from that page. Hope that helps. -- Malcolm Fraser -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 11 22:35:53 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA143624 for opro ; Thu, 11 Jan 101 22:35:03 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 979249007:10:25135:20; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 21:36:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1024780; 11 Jan 2001 21:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA24969 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 20:35:35 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA24322 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 18:20:35 GMT Received: from userah09.uk.uudial.com (62.188.132.194) [62.188.132.194] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 14GnFo-0002AZ-00; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 19:19:21 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Mr. D.M. Wells) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 19:15:59 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.24 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Re: Mailmerge labels Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Thanks to those who pointed out that Royal Mail prefers the postcode on its own without any county name. I didn't know this, and feel many individuals may be not too pleased at RM's attempt to abolish their counties! This is not the place for a philosophical discussion of the significance of addresses, but past experience suggests that some people have strong views on them as part of their identity, not just as a way of receiving lots of business/junk mail. My interest is mailing a club newsletter to many individual(istic) members, so we'll most likely stick to the traditional label layout. At least I now know how to do this, thanks to DP's help. Regards, Denys Wells. -- [email from dwells@argonet.co.uk (Denys Wells)] -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 12 01:21:59 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA143633 for opro ; Fri, 12 Jan 101 01:21:57 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 979253981:20:26744:14; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 22:59:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2026500; 11 Jan 2001 22:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA25287 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 21:58:06 GMT Received: from mail1.svr.pol.co.uk (mail1.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.18]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA25284 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 21:57:59 GMT Received: from modem-16.polonium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.61.144] helo=jaggies.freeserve.co.uk) by mail1.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 14GqeD-00066v-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 22:56:46 +0000 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 22:09:03 GMT From: Brian Howlett To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ovation Pro 2.61 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: The Terry Wogan Home for the Bewildered User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 X-Computer: Acorn RiscPC SA-110 X-no-markup: yes X-Editor: Zap 1.43 (29 Oct 1999) ds-11, ZapEmail 0.24 (26 Aug 1999) patch-9 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Oh, look! A post from Dr. Don Lewis, on 11 Jan 2001, which stated: > On Thu 04 Jan, David Pilling wrote: >> >> An upgrade from OvationPro 2.60 to 2.61 is now available from the >> upgrade page on the Ovation Pro area of my web sites. [snip] >> > Is any one else having trouble? Fresco (via Freeserve) cannot get > into this site "URL could not be retreived". Or the 262 site! Any > advice? Don > I downloaded the 2.62 upgrade yesterday. However, SparkFS 1.37 refuses to even look at it, and Sparkplug 2.26 exits with a Type=5 error. -- Brian Howlett --------------------------------- You can't get the wood, you know! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 12 01:22:00 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA143634 for opro ; Fri, 12 Jan 101 01:21:57 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 979254442:10:07704:15; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 23:07:22 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1100534; 11 Jan 2001 23:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA25353 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 22:06:36 GMT Received: from dino.intonet.co.uk (root@dino.intonet.co.uk [62.232.111.3]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA25350 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 22:06:34 GMT Received: from marteng.intonet.co.uk (user160.intonet.co.uk [62.232.111.92]) by dino.intonet.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA03612 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 23:05:21 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Marten Gallagher To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 22:52:58 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Mailmerge labels Message-ID: <4a3b67cb33marteng@intonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Mr. D.M. Wells wrote: > Thanks to those who pointed out that Royal Mail prefers the postcode on > its own without any county name. I didn't know this, and feel many > individuals may be not too pleased at RM's attempt to abolish their > counties! This is not the place for a philosophical discussion of the > significance of addresses, but past experience suggests that some people > have strong views on them as part of their identity, not just as a way > of receiving lots of business/junk mail. Yes I agree but I think the rationale was that with centralisation of sorting ofices there were increasing instances of the POST TOWN and hence the sorting office, not being in the county to which the mail was actually destined - thus putting (say) Bude, Devon was likely to upset people more than putting just Bude. Slainte -- Marten Gallagher - marten@annerykiln.co.uk http://www.annerykiln.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 12 01:22:04 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA143636 for opro ; Fri, 12 Jan 101 01:22:01 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 979258022:10:16598:24; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 00:07:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1015708; 12 Jan 2001 0:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA25618 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 23:05:25 GMT Received: from mail3.svr.pol.co.uk (mail3.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.19]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA25615 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 23:05:22 GMT Received: from modem-190.minnesota.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.74.190] helo=jaycee) by mail3.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 14GrhR-0006Fk-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 00:04:10 +0000 Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 00:01:41 GMT From: JayCee To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ovation Pro 2.61 Message-ID: <99156e3b4a.JayCee@jstp.freeserve.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.03) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: > Oh, look! A post from Dr. Don Lewis, on 11 Jan 2001, which stated: > > > On Thu 04 Jan, David Pilling wrote: > >> > >> An upgrade from OvationPro 2.60 to 2.61 is now available from the > >> upgrade page on the Ovation Pro area of my web sites. > [snip] > >> > > Is any one else having trouble? Fresco (via Freeserve) cannot get > > into this site "URL could not be retreived". Or the 262 site! Any > > advice? Don > > > I downloaded the 2.62 upgrade yesterday. However, SparkFS 1.37 refuses > to even look at it, and Sparkplug 2.26 exits with a Type=5 error. Am I unique then, I have dpwnloaded, unpacked and upgraded to 2.62 all with no problem!!! John Charman -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 12 01:22:04 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA143635 for opro ; Fri, 12 Jan 101 01:22:01 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 979259378:20:25869:13; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 00:29:38 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2025640; 12 Jan 2001 0:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA25753 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 23:27:10 GMT Received: from mailout03.sul.t-online.com (mailout03.sul.t-online.com [194.25.134.81]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA25749 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 23:27:07 GMT Received: from fwd06.sul.t-online.com by mailout03.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 14Gs2S-0007mn-00; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 01:25:52 +0100 Received: from veni (520042741018-0001@[62.227.38.27]) by fmrl06.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 14Gs2J-16AkkqC; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 01:25:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Bellon To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 01:25:19 +0100 Subject: Re: Ovation Pro 2.61 Message-ID: <4a3b703f7csbellon@sbellon.de> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain X-Sender: 520042741018-0001@t-dialin.net Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Brian Howlett wrote: [snip] > I downloaded the 2.62 upgrade yesterday. However, SparkFS 1.37 refuses > to even look at it, and Sparkplug 2.26 exits with a Type=5 error. Worked fine for me, though. Greetings, Stefan. -- Stefan Bellon * * Zucchini: God's way of saying "You don't work in your garden enough." -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 12 14:09:33 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA143640 for opro ; Fri, 12 Jan 101 14:09:31 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 979262778:10:29390:22; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 01:26:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1029322; 12 Jan 2001 1:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA26078 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 00:24:42 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA26075 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 00:24:40 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14GswA-000F43-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 01:23:26 +0000 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 22:42:04 GMT Message-Id: <143631@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ovation Pro 2.61 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro The op260.zip file has gone now, replaced with op262.zip as advertised here earlier this week. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 12 14:09:38 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA143642 for opro ; Fri, 12 Jan 101 14:09:35 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 979274011:20:02467:13; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 04:33:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2001931; 12 Jan 2001 4:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA26725 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 03:28:25 GMT Received: from snowy.kiwilink.co.nz (snowy.kiwilink.co.nz [202.27.215.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA26722 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 03:28:19 GMT Received: from timk.ns.planet.gen.nz (ppp-24.kiwilink.co.nz [202.27.215.90]) by snowy.kiwilink.co.nz (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id f0C4PfJ02065 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 17:25:41 +1300 (NZDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tim King To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 17:07:33 +1200 Subject: Re: Hidden disc reference Message-ID: <4a3b8a165dtim@de-sig.co.nz> In-Reply-To: <143579@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <143579@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02a (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <143579@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > Other ideas... a font which still appears to be on SCSI? (F12, *show > font$path), A ha. Thanks David. It's a font that's the problem. Only none of my fonts have ever been near the SCSI drive. FontPaths all strictly IDEFS. I can't edit the style that uses the font (crashes OP), but can change it in the DDL. Now I can print it without error, though Riscript throws back "error: rangecheck: OffendingCommand; -setscreen-" and fails to display anything. ? Ghostscript, however, doesn't complain, so on the strength of that I'll send it off to the bureau with fingers crossed. StopPress: quoting myself above - "Only none of my fonts have ever been near the SCSI drive." I thought. I use EasyFontPro, and although it's possible to set it up using referenced fonts I've religiously avoided doing this. I guess it's 10 Hail Marys and a few Our Fathers for me. Went to delete the problem font and guess what error popped up... (backup copies of all my fonts were on the SCSI disk). sigh: Tim -- Tim King... de-Sig. +64 9 478.3114 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 12 14:09:47 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA143645 for opro ; Fri, 12 Jan 101 14:09:43 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 979290479:10:04225:13; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 09:07:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1127380; 12 Jan 2001 9:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA27507 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 08:05:07 GMT Received: from mail1.svr.pol.co.uk (mail1.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.18]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA27503 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 08:05:03 GMT Received: from modem-33.araman.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.118.161] helo=jwells24.freeserve.freeserve.co.uk) by mail1.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 14H07e-0001tv-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 09:03:47 +0000 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 21:26:12 +0000 (GMT) From: Malcolm Wells Subject: Re: Landscape Brochure To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <4a3b4ad0dfmfraser@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Malcolm Wells X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 11 Jan, Mark Fraser wrote: > I'm trying to print an A5 landscape brochure by putting two pages on one > sheet of A4. i.e. > > ----------------------------------------- > : -------------------------------- : > : : : : > : : : : > : : : : > : : Page 1 : : > : : : : > : : : : > : : : : > : -------------------------------- : > : : > : -------------------------------- : > : : : : > : : : : > : : : : > : : Page 2 : : > : : : : > : : : : > : : : : > : -------------------------------- : > : : > : : > ----------------------------------------- > > However, Ovation prints the two pages side by side i.e. > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > : ----------------------- ----------------------- : > : : : : : : > : : : : : : > : : : : : : > : : P : : P : : > : : a : : a : : > : : g : : g : : > : : e : : e : : > : : : : : : > : : 1 : : 2 : : > : : : : : : > : : : : : : > : : : : : : > : : : : : : > : ----------------------- ----------------------- : > : : > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > Selecting sideways just rotates the whole page. Other than turning the frame > through 90 degrees and typing sideways, I can't think of a solution. > > -- > Pour you a beer, Mr. Peterson? > Alright, but stop me at one.... make that one-thirty. > > ______________________________________________________ > |\ /| ark Fraser /mfraser@ukgateway.net www.mfraser.ukgateway.net > | \/ | Somerset /Using !Pluto on an Acorn SA RISC PC ICQ:19835705 > | |___________/You know what the sig means! > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message > > > The way to do it is as follows. 1. Set up 4 pages of A4. Make your pages either 1 & 4 or 2 & 3. 2. On the print dialogue box top right "Format" set to "Pamphlet" and select print. Ovation Pro will then print 2 A5 size pages side by side on your 1 piece of A4. -- Malcolm Wells -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 12 14:09:56 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA143650 for opro ; Fri, 12 Jan 101 14:09:53 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 979294556:10:11239:14; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 10:15:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1124428; 12 Jan 2001 10:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA27647 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 08:46:59 GMT Received: from mail1.svr.pol.co.uk (mail1.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.18]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA27644 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 08:46:57 GMT Received: from modem-33.araman.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.118.161] helo=jwells24.freeserve.freeserve.co.uk) by mail1.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 14H0mG-0008GY-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 09:45:45 +0000 Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 09:35:57 +0000 (GMT) From: Malcolm Wells Subject: Re: Ovation Pro 2.61 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Malcolm Wells X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 11 Jan, Dr. Don Lewis wrote: > On Thu 04 Jan, David Pilling wrote: > > > > An upgrade from OvationPro 2.60 to 2.61 is now available from the upgrade > > page on the Ovation Pro area of my web sites. > > > > http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/upgrade/op260.zip > > > Is any one else having trouble? Fresco (via Freeserve) cannot get into > this site "URL could not be retreived". Or the 262 site! > Any advice? > Don It's not freeserve, it must be Fresco. I entered both using Oregano (via freeserve). -- Malcolm Wells -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 12 18:18:48 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA143680 for opro ; Fri, 12 Jan 101 18:18:43 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 979312010:10:28638:13; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 15:06:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1027120; 12 Jan 2001 15:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA28753 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 13:46:53 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA28750 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 13:46:51 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14H5ST-000GNo-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 14:45:37 +0000 Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 14:21:20 GMT Message-Id: <143665@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Hidden disc reference X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Riscript throws back "error: rangecheck: OffendingCommand; >-setscreen-" Mrs. Demarteau has just pointed out to me that this is a result of using the 'dot' screen. Other screens appear to be OK. As I was about to reply to her, this screen comes from page 315 in the Adobe Red Post Script book. Which would seem to make it legitimate. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 12 18:19:16 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA143685 for opro ; Fri, 12 Jan 101 18:19:13 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 979320682:20:20302:85; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 17:31:22 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2028021; 12 Jan 2001 17:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA29185 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 15:49:03 GMT Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA29181 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 15:49:00 GMT Received: from abacusline.demon.co.uk ([194.222.194.153]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 14H7Ma-000359-0X for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 16:47:41 +0000 Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 16:33:51 +0000 (GMT) From: Ovation Pro Subject: Re: Ovation Pro 2.61 Upgrade & Fresco To: Gerald L Fitton In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I have Fresco 2.13 and RISC OS 3.7. I successfully accessed http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/upgrade/op260.zip without problem and sucessfully upgraded my OvPro 2.60 from the douwnload. Gerald -- GoldLine - Gerald L Fitton -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 12 18:19:20 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA143687 for opro ; Fri, 12 Jan 101 18:19:18 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 979320691:20:20838:61; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 17:31:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2029669; 12 Jan 2001 17:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA29183 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 15:49:01 GMT Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA29178 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 15:48:58 GMT Received: from abacusline.demon.co.uk ([194.222.194.153]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 14H7Mg-000359-0X for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 16:47:46 +0000 Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 16:36:26 +0000 (GMT) From: Ovation Pro Subject: Re: Ovation Pro 2.61 & SparkFS To: Gerald L Fitton In-Reply-To: <4a3b703f7csbellon@sbellon.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I have SparkFS, Fresco 2.13, RISC OS 3.7 and I have sucessfully downloaded the upgrade to OVPro 2.62 without any problems. Gerald -- GoldLine - Gerald L Fitton -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 12 19:27:24 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA143703 for opro ; Fri, 12 Jan 101 19:27:04 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 979323708:21:12427:606; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 18:21:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2107411; 12 Jan 2001 18:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA29641 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 17:10:03 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA29636 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 17:10:00 GMT Received: from userej77.uk.uudial.com (62.188.13.88) [62.188.13.88] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 14H8d3-0001WI-00; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 18:08:46 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "charles.hope" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 11:00:20 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Mailmerge labels Message-ID: <4a3baa6281charles.hope@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a3b67cb33marteng@intonet.co.uk> References: <4a3b67cb33marteng@intonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.01f (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 11 Jan, Marten Gallagher wrote: > In article , Mr. D.M. Wells > wrote: > > Thanks to those who pointed out that Royal Mail prefers the postcode > > on its own without any county name. I didn't know this, and feel many > > individuals may be not too pleased at RM's attempt to abolish their > > counties! This is not the place for a philosophical discussion of the > > significance of addresses, but past experience suggests that some > > people have strong views on them as part of their identity, not just > > as a way of receiving lots of business/junk mail. > Yes I agree but I think the rationale was that with centralisation of > sorting ofices there were increasing instances of the POST TOWN and > hence the sorting office, not being in the county to which the mail was > actually destined - thus putting (say) Bude, Devon was likely to upset > people more than putting just Bude. As well as continuing with counties that don't exist. eg Middlesex or Invernessshire -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jan 13 01:52:31 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA143716 for opro ; Sat, 13 Jan 101 01:52:29 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 979339272:20:03307:87; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 22:41:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ac2127485; 12 Jan 2001 22:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA30551 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 21:11:10 GMT Received: from mail11.svr.pol.co.uk (mail11.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.23]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA30548 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 21:11:07 GMT Received: from modem-39.platinum.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.58.167] helo=jaggies.freeserve.co.uk) by mail11.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 14HCOQ-00000Q-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 22:09:55 +0000 Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 22:03:32 GMT From: Brian Howlett To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: <961ae73b4a.Brian@jaggies.freeserve.co.uk> X-Organization: The Terry Wogan Home for the Bewildered User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 X-Computer: Acorn RiscPC SA-110 X-no-markup: yes Subject: Upgrade download X-Editor: Zap 1.43 (29 Oct 1999) ds-11, ZapEmail 0.24 (26 Aug 1999) patch-9 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I previously reported that I had downloaded the 2.62 upgrade but could not open the archive. I have just downloaded it again successfully. -- Brian Howlett ---------------------------------------------------- What's the difference betweeen ignorance and apathy? I don't know and I don't care... -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jan 13 01:52:32 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA143717 for opro ; Sat, 13 Jan 101 01:52:29 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 979339434:10:21605:15; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 22:43:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1020899; 12 Jan 2001 22:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA30674 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 21:42:40 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA30671 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 21:42:38 GMT Received: from strngarm.demon.co.uk ([194.222.34.96]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 14HCst-0006is-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 22:41:25 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Dr. S.H.Curry" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 22:23:54 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Ovation Pro 2.62 problems Message-ID: <4a3be8f7d5hutchc@strngarm.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4a3b703f7csbellon@sbellon.de> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I have just upgraded to Ovation Pro version 2.62 and have discovered problems with cutting and pasting. I am using the supplied Macro file to provide Impression style keys as this is what I'm used to. If I use either Ctrl X or Ctrl C to copy text to the clipboard, using Ctrl V to paste the text places this text in the wrong position. The recepient cursor position seems to be corrupted. Has any one else noticed this happening? And is there a fix as I find it very annoying. Hutch -- __ _ (_ _|_ ._ _ ._ _ /_\ ._ ._ _ Dr.S.H.Curry __) |_ | (_)| |(_|/ \| | | | The Manor House _| Fore Street Seaton, Devon EX12 2AD Tel. 01297-22433 Fax. 01297-21175 Cognitive Rehabilitation Software for RiscOS Email : hutchc@strngarm.demon.co.uk StrongArm Systems : http://www.strngarm.demon.co.uk Software Web site : http://www.hutchc.freeuk.com/ The Manor House : http://www.manor-house.freeuk.com/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jan 13 01:52:39 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA143720 for opro ; Sat, 13 Jan 101 01:52:37 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 979339905:20:02117:736; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 22:51:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2008678; 12 Jan 2001 20:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA30113 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 19:15:56 GMT Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA30110 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 19:15:54 GMT Received: from g6tsf.demon.co.uk ([158.152.255.214]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 14HAav-000ORS-0U for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 20:14:41 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "P.R.J. Shayler" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 20:01:34 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Mailmerge labels Message-ID: <4a3bdbefbcpaul@g6tsf.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 11 Jan, Mr. D.M. Wells wrote: > Thanks to those who pointed out that Royal Mail prefers the postcode on > its own without any county name. I didn't know this, and feel many > individuals may be not too pleased at RM's attempt to abolish their > counties! This is not the place for a philosophical discussion of the > significance of addresses, but past experience suggests that some people > have strong views on them as part of their identity, not just as a way > of receiving lots of business/junk mail. Consignia, yes that's what the Post Office is now called, would like printed addresses as well. These should also be in a particular font and at a specified point size as well! The reason - automated OCR address scanning, so that the mail can be sorted faster. May be D.P. can make a feature of this for a "letter addressing " function! Regards, Paul S. Slightly off thread....... -- I'm using a Risc PC (tm) with SA-110 StrongARM (tm) RISC processor and running RISC OS (tm) Paul G6TSF g6tsf@amsat.org g6tsf@arrl.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jan 13 14:26:04 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA143729 for opro ; Sat, 13 Jan 101 14:26:02 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 979351823:20:27008:13; Sat, 13 Jan 2001 02:10:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2120186; 13 Jan 2001 2:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA31305 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 13 Jan 2001 00:59:04 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA31302 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2001 00:59:02 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14HFwz-000HSl-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 13 Jan 2001 01:57:49 +0000 Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 01:54:21 GMT Message-Id: <143724@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ovation Pro 2.62 problems X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I have just upgraded to Ovation Pro version 2.62 and have discovered >problems with cutting and pasting. I am using the supplied Macro file to >provide Impression style keys as this is what I'm used to. If I use either >Ctrl X or Ctrl C to copy text to the clipboard, using Ctrl V to paste the >text places this text in the wrong position. The recepient cursor position >seems to be corrupted. Has any one else noticed this happening? And is >there a fix as I find it very annoying. I'm surprised because the changes to 2.62 didn't go anywhere near cut and paste text code, and a simple cut and paste on my copy works. Some suggestions then, could it be an applet some of these do odd things with cut and paste, is the problem really the context the pasting is going on in (rather than 2.62)? David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jan 13 14:27:02 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA143737 for opro ; Sat, 13 Jan 101 14:27:01 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 979373750:20:14658:13; Sat, 13 Jan 2001 08:15:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2013943; 13 Jan 2001 8:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA32481 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 13 Jan 2001 07:11:57 GMT Received: from smtp02.fields.gol.com (smtp02.fields.gol.com [203.216.5.132]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA32478 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2001 07:11:53 GMT Received: from tc-2-1-194.shinjuku.gol.ne.jp ([203.216.10.194] helo=plattir.gol.com) by smtp02.fields.gol.com with smtp (Magnetic Fields) id 14HLld-0005M2-00 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2001 17:10:29 +0900 Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 16:57:17 +0000 (GMT) From: "Ian R. Platt" Subject: Re: Mailmerge labels To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <4a3bdbefbcpaul@g6tsf.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] X-Abuse-Complaints: abuse@gol.com Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 12 Jan, P.R.J. Shayler wrote: > On 11 Jan, Mr. D.M. Wells wrote: > > Thanks to those who pointed out that Royal Mail prefers the postcode on > > its own without any county name. I didn't know this, and feel many > > individuals may be not too pleased at RM's attempt to abolish their > > counties! This is not the place for a philosophical discussion of the > > significance of addresses, but past experience suggests that some people > > have strong views on them as part of their identity, not just as a way > > of receiving lots of business/junk mail. > > Consignia, yes that's what the Post Office is now called, would like > printed addresses as well. These should also be in a particular font and at > a specified point size as well! The reason - automated OCR address > scanning, so that the mail can be sorted faster. May be D.P. can make a > feature of this for a "letter addressing " function! > > Regards, Paul S. Slightly off thread....... > Wonder what the cost of all the new signage, stationary, etc. will be? Wonder why the change? Wonder how many people will follow the dictat? Wonder how many non-Brits will know where the PO will be? Wonder how many non-Brits will know _what_ the PO will be? Wonder whose pall in the PO runs a PR Consulatancy / Design Co. / Pribt shop etc.? Wonder _why_? Wonder upon wonder! There I was, thinking the PO was a service! Supplying what was asked for by the users. Silly of me not to have realised everyone but me had demanded the PO spend I-shudder-to-think-how-much on an absolutely necessary change like this! Silly of me to have thought that the money cpuld be spent on _improving_ service. Way off / over the top! This kind of stupidity (as per PO) makes me boil! Anyone else in this club? Ian P. -- Ian Platt email: plattir@gol.com StrongArm and Risc OS 4 - UK technology. Continuing to think differently! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jan 13 16:26:30 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA143755 for opro ; Sat, 13 Jan 101 16:26:28 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 979399935:20:05176:13; Sat, 13 Jan 2001 15:32:15 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2004641; 13 Jan 2001 15:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA01252 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 13 Jan 2001 14:28:40 GMT Received: from blueyonder.co.uk (pcow034o.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.53.122]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA01248 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2001 14:28:38 GMT Received: from goatly ([213.48.254.180]) by blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.197.19); Sat, 13 Jan 2001 15:28:56 +0000 Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 12:12:16 +0000 From: Bruce Goatly To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Mailmerge labels Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4a3bdbefbcpaul@g6tsf.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Perfect Page X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b User-Agent: POPstar/2.01b12 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <4a3bdbefbcpaul@g6tsf.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > Consignia, yes that's what the Post Office is now called, would like > printed addresses as well. These should also be in a particular font and at > a specified point size as well! The reason - automated OCR address > scanning, so that the mail can be sorted faster. May be D.P. can make a > feature of this for a "letter addressing " function! Isn't there a barcoding that can be added to speed sorting (or is this only in the USA)? If there were, and *that* could be added to Ovation, I'm sure that we all, and Consignia , would be very grateful. Bruce -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jan 13 16:54:38 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA143763 for opro ; Sat, 13 Jan 101 16:54:37 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 979403769:20:03500:13; Sat, 13 Jan 2001 16:36:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2003179; 13 Jan 2001 16:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA01564 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 13 Jan 2001 15:35:07 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA01561 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2001 15:35:05 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14HTcm-000M4X-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 13 Jan 2001 16:33:52 +0000 Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 16:27:12 GMT Message-Id: <143757@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Mailmerge labels X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Isn't there a barcoding that can be added to speed sorting Yes been there done that, see the Ovation Pro POBar applet. Although there is some evidence that the PO's enthusiasm for bar codes has waned. Maybe OCR has improved. >Consignia , would be very grateful. I gather that the customer pointing interface will continue to trade as Royal Mail, Post Office, whatever. Consignia will be the name used trading outside the UK, where "The Post Office" might be confusing. And of course for the PLC, of which the UK Government will own the single share - although changes in the EU are likely to end up with it being privatised before long. All this is far off topic, so no one is allowed to say the above is a load of tripe. ;-) David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jan 13 18:55:18 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA143767 for opro ; Sat, 13 Jan 101 18:55:16 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 979410121:10:12299:13; Sat, 13 Jan 2001 18:22:01 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1100460; 13 Jan 2001 18:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA02095 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 13 Jan 2001 17:21:06 GMT Received: from saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk (saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk [147.143.102.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA02092 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2001 17:21:04 GMT Received: from sees.bangor.ac.uk (nfcrpc7.sees.bangor.ac.uk [147.143.6.182]) by saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA19711 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2001 18:19:52 GMT (envelope-from kerslake@sees.bangor.ac.uk) Message-ID: <3A609C48.4080403@sees.bangor.ac.uk> Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 18:19:52 +0000 From: "John P. Kerslake" Organization: SOI, University of Bangor User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; m18) Gecko/20001108 Netscape6/6.0 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Mailmerge labels References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro My Dad worked for the PO after leaving the Army (1946-1970). He always put the country the on a new line the PC at 2 X the size of the rest of the address & double underlined it. So that's how I do my addresses -- John Percy Kerslake B.Sc., F.B.I.S., kerslake@sees.bangor.ac.uk Web Page = http://www.sees.bangor.ac.uk/~kerslake/welcome.htm Pager =07626-235878, Work =01248-351151 ext. 2730/3850, Fax 01248-361429 Dyslexia rules K. O. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jan 13 18:55:30 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA143772 for opro ; Sat, 13 Jan 101 18:55:25 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 979409223:20:03159:13; Sat, 13 Jan 2001 18:07:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2003028; 13 Jan 2001 18:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA01898 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 13 Jan 2001 17:05:52 GMT Received: from scrabble.freeuk.net (scrabble.freeuk.net [212.126.144.6]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA01895 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2001 17:05:49 GMT Received: from du-012-0126.freeuk.com ([212.126.155.126] helo=freeuk.net) by scrabble.freeuk.net with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1) id 14HV2a-0001cW-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 13 Jan 2001 18:04:37 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Roger Penniceard To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 19:05:11 +0100 Subject: Re: Ovation Pro 2.62 problems Message-ID: <4a3c551e30rogerpenny@freeUK.com> In-Reply-To: <143724@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <143724@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.14e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <143724@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >I have just upgraded to Ovation Pro version 2.62 and have discovered > >problems with cutting and pasting. I am using the supplied Macro > >file to provide Impression style keys as this is what I'm used to. > >If I use either Ctrl X or Ctrl C to copy text to the clipboard, > >using Ctrl V to paste the text places this text in the wrong > >position. The recepient cursor position seems to be corrupted. Has > >any one else noticed this happening? And is there a fix as I find it > >very annoying. > I'm surprised because the changes to 2.62 didn't go anywhere near cut > and paste text code, and a simple cut and paste on my copy works. > Some suggestions then, could it be an applet some of these do odd > things with cut and paste, is the problem really the context the > pasting is going on in (rather than 2.62)? I use the Impression style keys too and have just tried Ctrl C and Ctrl V and there is no problem here with 2.62. Roger -- ||||| ||| ||| ||||| Roger Penniceard ||||| |||| ||||| rogerpenny@freeUK.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jan 13 18:55:38 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA143773 for opro ; Sat, 13 Jan 101 18:55:34 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 979409271:20:07758:13; Sat, 13 Jan 2001 18:07:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2007588; 13 Jan 2001 18:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA01917 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 13 Jan 2001 17:06:56 GMT Received: from saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk (saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk [147.143.102.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA01914 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2001 17:06:53 GMT Received: from sees.bangor.ac.uk (nfcrpc7.sees.bangor.ac.uk [147.143.6.182]) by saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA19579 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2001 18:05:41 GMT (envelope-from kerslake@sees.bangor.ac.uk) Message-ID: <3A6098F5.1020000@sees.bangor.ac.uk> Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 18:05:41 +0000 From: "John P. Kerslake" Organization: SOI, University of Bangor User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; m18) Gecko/20001108 Netscape6/6.0 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Mailmerge labels References: <4a3bdbefbcpaul@g6tsf.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro What font & size does the PO want us to use? -- John Percy Kerslake B.Sc., F.B.I.S., kerslake@sees.bangor.ac.uk Web Page = http://www.sees.bangor.ac.uk/~kerslake/welcome.htm Pager =07626-235878, Work =01248-351151 ext. 2730/3850, Fax 01248-361429 Dyslexia rules K. O. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jan 13 18:55:46 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA143774 for opro ; Sat, 13 Jan 101 18:55:42 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 979409885:20:28163:13; Sat, 13 Jan 2001 18:18:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2027063; 13 Jan 2001 18:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA02020 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 13 Jan 2001 17:16:51 GMT Received: from blueyonder.co.uk (pcow028o.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.53.124]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA02017 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2001 17:16:48 GMT Received: from agse00.blueyonder.co.uk ([213.48.72.165]) by blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.197.19); Sat, 13 Jan 2001 18:17:06 +0000 Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 18:15:37 +0000 (GMT) From: Alan Gibson Subject: Re: Mailmerge labels To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <143757@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Liquid Silicon X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sat 13 Jan, David Pilling wrote: > > >Isn't there a barcoding that can be added to speed sorting > > Yes been there done that, see the Ovation Pro POBar applet. I'm also in the process of adding it to BarCoder. > Although there is some evidence that the PO's enthusiasm for bar codes > has waned. Maybe OCR has improved. Maybe that's why they're so slow in getting info out to developers... Alan -- __ _ _ _ ____ _ _ _ | | (_)___ _ _(_)_| | / __(_| (_)__ ___ ___ Tel: +44 1592 592265 | |_| / _ | \| | / _ | \_ \.| | | / _/ _ | \ Fax: +44 1592 596102 |____|_\_ |\___|_\___| /____/|_|_|_\__\___|_|\_| sales@liquid-silicon.com RISC OS |__/ music specialists. http://www.liquid-silicon.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jan 13 18:55:52 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA143775 for opro ; Sat, 13 Jan 101 18:55:49 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 979409931:20:03156:14; Sat, 13 Jan 2001 18:18:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2002714; 13 Jan 2001 18:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA01996 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 13 Jan 2001 17:15:13 GMT Received: from saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk (saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk [147.143.102.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA01993 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2001 17:15:11 GMT Received: from sees.bangor.ac.uk (nfcrpc7.sees.bangor.ac.uk [147.143.6.182]) by saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA19660 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2001 18:13:28 GMT (envelope-from kerslake@sees.bangor.ac.uk) Message-ID: <3A609AC8.1070101@sees.bangor.ac.uk> Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 18:13:28 +0000 From: "John P. Kerslake" Organization: SOI, University of Bangor User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; m18) Gecko/20001108 Netscape6/6.0 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ovation Pro 2.61 References: <4a3b703f7csbellon@sbellon. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Funny 2.60 to 2.62 downloaded & opened first time. But the next time I switched on !SparkFS was missing from my boot file. I reentered it & a non working icon appeared on the bar. I reinstalled with no problem. 16 meg Riscstation lite ROS 4.03. -- John Percy Kerslake B.Sc., F.B.I.S., kerslake@sees.bangor.ac.uk Web Page = http://www.sees.bangor.ac.uk/~kerslake/welcome.htm Pager =07626-235878, Work =01248-351151 ext. 2730/3850, Fax 01248-361429 Dyslexia rules K. O. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jan 13 23:06:27 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA143790 for opro ; Sat, 13 Jan 101 23:06:26 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 979415775:10:25607:13; Sat, 13 Jan 2001 19:56:15 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1110523; 13 Jan 2001 19:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA02727 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 13 Jan 2001 18:54:40 GMT Received: from murphys-outbound.servers.plus.net ([212.159.14.225]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA02723 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2001 18:54:37 GMT Received: (qmail 14218 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2001 19:52:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (212.159.21.26) by murphys with SMTP; 13 Jan 2001 19:52:53 -0000 Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 09:28:47 +0000 (GMT) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: Ovation Pro 2.61 & SparkFS To: Gerald L Fitton In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Fri 12 Jan, Ovation Pro wrote: > > I have SparkFS, Fresco 2.13, RISC OS 3.7 and I have sucessfully > downloaded the upgrade to OVPro 2.62 without any problems. > Same setup and success here. Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jan 13 23:35:04 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA143803 for opro ; Sat, 13 Jan 101 23:35:02 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 979427329:20:22061:13; Sat, 13 Jan 2001 23:08:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2021823; 13 Jan 2001 23:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA03309 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 13 Jan 2001 22:02:09 GMT Received: from dino.intonet.co.uk (root@dino.intonet.co.uk [62.232.111.3]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA03306 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2001 22:02:07 GMT Received: from marteng.intonet.co.uk (user160.intonet.co.uk [62.232.111.92]) by dino.intonet.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA15510 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2001 23:00:54 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Marten Gallagher To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 22:52:35 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Mailmerge labels Message-ID: <4a3c6f6e14marteng@intonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <3A6098F5.1020000@sees.bangor.ac.uk> References: <4a3bdbefbcpaul@g6tsf.demon.co.uk> <3A6098F5.1020000@sees.bangor.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <3A6098F5.1020000@sees.bangor.ac.uk>, John P. Kerslake wrote: > What font & size does the PO want us to use? 12pt Homerton Medium or Bold or Fruition Regular or Bold Slainte -- Marten Gallagher - marten@annerykiln.co.uk http://www.annerykiln.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sun Jan 14 14:24:51 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA143810 for opro ; Sun, 14 Jan 101 14:24:47 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 979470464:10:18110:14; Sun, 14 Jan 2001 11:07:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1127462; 14 Jan 2001 11:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA05131 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 14 Jan 2001 10:05:14 GMT Received: from cwcom.net (email.cwcom.net [195.44.0.150]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA05128 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2001 10:05:11 GMT Received: from default ([195.44.14.8]) by cwcom.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.537.53); Sun, 14 Jan 2001 11:05:35 +0000 Message-ID: <001201c07e19$934c30a0$080e2cc3@default> From: "Noel Thompson" To: Subject: Disappearing ROM Disc Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 11:02:01 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On my RiscPC with RO4, I have configured a few megs of ROM Disc on boot up. When I run OP 2.62, the ROM Disc icon is removed when the OP icon appears on the icon bar. The Task Bar confirms that the ROM Disc allocation has been reset to zero. Can anyone tell me what's going on, please? Is it by any chance a buffer overflow problem? Any ideas about what to do about this? Any help would be most gratefully received. Shalom. Noel Thompson. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sun Jan 14 14:25:18 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA143814 for opro ; Sun, 14 Jan 101 14:25:13 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 979480099:10:19158:14; Sun, 14 Jan 2001 13:48:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1019004; 14 Jan 2001 13:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA05638 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 14 Jan 2001 12:46:39 GMT Received: from mail3.svr.pol.co.uk (mail3.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.19]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA05635 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2001 12:46:37 GMT Received: from modem-95.anarrima.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.107.95] helo=jwells24.freeserve.freeserve.co.uk) by mail3.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 14HnTI-0007Wb-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 14 Jan 2001 13:45:24 +0000 Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 13:28:38 +0000 (GMT) From: Malcolm Wells Subject: Re: Mailmerge labels To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Malcolm Wells X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sat 13 Jan, Bruce Goatly wrote: > In message <4a3bdbefbcpaul@g6tsf.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > > Consignia, yes that's what the Post Office is now called, would like > > printed addresses as well. These should also be in a particular font and at > > a specified point size as well! The reason - automated OCR address > > scanning, so that the mail can be sorted faster. May be D.P. can make a > > feature of this for a "letter addressing " function! > > Isn't there a barcoding that can be added to speed sorting (or is this only > in the USA)? If there were, and *that* could be added to Ovation, I'm sure > that we all, and Consignia , would be very grateful. > > Bruce > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message > > > There already is a PO Bar Code applet but I have only used it with individual address labels ne er with mail merge. -- Malcolm Wells -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sun Jan 14 17:38:55 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA143835 for opro ; Sun, 14 Jan 101 17:38:53 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 979486900:10:20820:14; Sun, 14 Jan 2001 15:41:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1020810; 14 Jan 2001 15:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA06026 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 14 Jan 2001 14:37:10 GMT Received: from mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (mta06-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.46]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA06023 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2001 14:37:03 GMT Received: from mcqueen ([62.252.164.84]) by mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with SMTP id <20010114153550.JPEH285.mta06-svc.ntlworld.com@mcqueen> for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2001 15:35:50 +0000 Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 15:30:24 +0100 From: Colin McQueen To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ovation Pro 2.62 problems Message-ID: <594ac53c4a.cmcqueen@cmcqueen.ntlworld.com> References: <143724@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4a3c551e30rogerpenny@freeUK.com> In-Reply-To: <4a3c551e30rogerpenny@freeUK.com> X-Organization: The McQueen Family User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.07b (MsgServe/1.07d) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <4a3c551e30rogerpenny@freeUK.com> Roger Penniceard wrote: > In article <143724@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling > wrote: > I'm having trouble getting drag and drop to work outside the window with pictures ? Is it possible ? -- Colin McQueen : Using an Acorn StrongARM Risc PC Web Domain : http://www.mcqueen.uk.net/ BSc Zoology + Oceanography : PGCE : MSc in CBL/T -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sun Jan 14 21:11:18 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA143844 for opro ; Sun, 14 Jan 101 21:11:15 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 979496892:20:02867:14; Sun, 14 Jan 2001 18:28:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2001081; 14 Jan 2001 18:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA06567 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 14 Jan 2001 17:24:25 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA06564 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2001 17:24:23 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14Hro6-000GyZ-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 14 Jan 2001 18:23:10 +0000 Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 17:40:31 GMT Message-Id: <143837@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ovation Pro 2.62 problems X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I'm having trouble getting drag and drop to work outside the window with >pictures ? Is it possible ? Yes possible. But the picture has to be marked (double click) and you have to hold down ALT. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sun Jan 14 21:11:20 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA143846 for opro ; Sun, 14 Jan 101 21:11:18 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 979497599:10:21062:20; Sun, 14 Jan 2001 18:39:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1111115; 14 Jan 2001 18:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA06651 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 14 Jan 2001 17:38:42 GMT Received: from norwegia.access.ch (mail.access.ch [195.112.71.134]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA06648 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2001 17:38:39 GMT Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (megapop6-61.access.ch [212.161.129.189]) by norwegia.access.ch (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA13689 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2001 19:37:26 +0100 Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 19:33:56 +0100 (GMT) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: Ovation Pro 2.61 To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: tevens Secretariaat Stichting Van Vredenburch X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 12 Jan, Malcolm Wells wrote: > On Thu 11 Jan, Dr. Don Lewis wrote: > > On Thu 04 Jan, David Pilling wrote: snip a bit > It's not freeserve, it must be Fresco. I entered both using Oregano (via > freeserve). I wonder! I had no problems with the old Fresco version 1.80. Seems I forgot to update Fresco 8-( JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch tel +41 41 3706125 | RiscPC (ex-Acorn) Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) .. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sun Jan 14 22:04:56 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA143863 for opro ; Sun, 14 Jan 101 22:04:53 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 979509814:10:22400:17; Sun, 14 Jan 2001 22:03:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1022296; 14 Jan 2001 22:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA07330 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 14 Jan 2001 21:00:06 GMT Received: from snowy.kiwilink.co.nz (snowy.kiwilink.co.nz [202.27.215.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA07325 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2001 21:00:00 GMT Received: from timk.ns.planet.gen.nz (ppp-33.kiwilink.co.nz [202.27.215.99]) by snowy.kiwilink.co.nz (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id f0ELvNJ25447 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 10:57:23 +1300 (NZDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tim King To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 09:48:20 +1200 Subject: Re: Hidden disc reference Message-ID: <4a3ced6268tim@de-sig.co.nz> In-Reply-To: <143665@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <143665@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02a (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <143665@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >Riscript throws back "error: rangecheck: OffendingCommand; > >-setscreen-" > Mrs. Demarteau has just pointed out to me that this is a result of > using the 'dot' screen. Other screens appear to be OK. > As I was about to reply to her, this screen comes from page 315 in > the Adobe Red Post Script book. Which would seem to make it > legitimate. Until the bureau get back to me and tell me they can't print, I'm assuming this is a Riscript thing. The file did render fine in GS. Re my original problem: I'd assumed the error was being reported from OP (when in fact it was a few steps removed). Is there an easy way for someone like me to determine where (ie at least, what app) they're coming from? The title bar of the error window read "Message from SCSI" or something. Not terribly helpful when there were no longer any SCSI drives in the machine. Tim > David Pilling -- Tim King... de-Sig. +64 9 478.3114 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 15 13:52:53 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA143885 for opro ; Mon, 15 Jan 101 13:52:50 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 979558372:10:18381:34; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 11:32:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1017768; 15 Jan 2001 11:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA09377 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 10:23:08 GMT Received: from grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net (grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net [193.67.237.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA09374 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 10:23:05 GMT Received: from padua by grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net via 1Cust162.tnt24.rtm1.nl.uu.net [213.116.142.162] with SMTP for id MAA11843 (8.8.8/1.3); Mon, 15 Jan 2001 12:21:52 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <004a01c07ee4$d76d4640$4d01a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: "Ovation Pro" References: <143665@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4a3ced6268tim@de-sig.co.nz> Subject: Re: Hidden disc reference Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 10:09:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Sun, 14 Jan, Tim King wrote: > In article <143665@pilling.demon.co.uk>, > David Pilling wrote: > > > >Riscript throws back "error: rangecheck: OffendingCommand; > > >-setscreen-" > > > > Mrs. Demarteau has just pointed out to me that this is a result of > > using the 'dot' screen. Other screens appear to be OK. > What I wrote: "Recently I had the chance to make pdf's with !Riscript Pro 4 (it wasn't the latest version) from PostScript Level2 output of Ovation Pro 2.60 documents. ALL failed, because of the line: {Dot} setscreen ALL did go well after I REMmed the line with %% The problem doesn't occur when I use Acrobat Distiller 3.02 or print with my PostScript printer (Brother HL-1270N). Maybe the newer version of !RiScript Pro has solved the problem of the setscreen command. ...... Of course, there is a 'PostScript screen' option in Impression (File --> Print --> Typesetting) When I switch it on, the setscreen command is in the PostScript output. 150 45 {Spot1} setscreen !RiScript Pro 4 doesn't complain, when I try to load it/distil Pdf. Hence, with or without this command, !RiScript Pro doesn't complain. I haven't tried the other screentypes. In Ovation Pro these types 'behave' correct: (File --> Print setup --> Separations --> Screen) 150 45 {Line} setscreen 150 45 {Square} setscreen 150 45 {Ellipse} setscreen 150 45 {Circle} setscreen and of course, switched off. but only this option: 150 45 {Dot} setscreen produces a PostScript output file, which isn't accepted by RiScript Pro: "Message from DSCript; Error:Rangecheck; Offending command -setscreen- Don't get the impression, I use these options. I ran into the problem, because Ovation Pro as DEFAULT was configured with this screentype/screen switched on" > > As I was about to reply to her, this screen comes from page 315 in > > the Adobe Red Post Script book. Which would seem to make it > > legitimate. > > Until the bureau get back to me and tell me they can't print, I'm > assuming this is a Riscript thing. The file did render fine in GS. My file didn't give problems in Acrobat 3.02 or printing with my printer, with ot without ANY screen setting. As far as I know, hardware setttings overrule the screen setting of the whole document, except for the separate settings for the graphics. Problem is the error message of !RiScript. However, this doesn't mean all other things in the PostScript file are correct. !RiScript stops after this error and never reachs what comes after. Commenting out the {Dot} setscreen line in the PostScript file or print a new PostScript file with the screen option off, maybe helps. Graphics and some fonts are not dealed the same way in different interpreters. A bad/not accepted graphic can be evil. Or a not accepted character description. Good luck, mrs. Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 16 14:05:33 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA143964 for opro ; Tue, 16 Jan 101 14:05:31 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 979643594:20:18397:19; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 11:13:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2017854; 16 Jan 2001 11:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA13204 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 10:05:51 GMT Received: from smtp-server.nlr.nl (spider.nlr.nl [137.17.80.200]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA13201 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 10:05:49 GMT Received: from nararch.nlr.nl (nararch.nlr.nl [137.17.168.66]) by smtp-server.nlr.nl (8.10.1/8.10.1/NLR 29/03/2000) with SMTP id f0GB4612123446; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 12:04:07 +0100 (CET) Disclaimer: "The National Aerospace Laboratory NLR DOES NOT ACCEPT ANY FINANCIAL COMMITMENT derived from this message." Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 12:03:57 +0100 From: "F.R. Polak" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Hidden disc reference Message-ID: <840fba3d4a.polak@nararch.nlr.nl> References: <143665@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4a3ced6268tim@de-sig.co.nz> <004a01c07ee4$d76d4640$4d01a8c0@padua> In-Reply-To: <004a01c07ee4$d76d4640$4d01a8c0@padua> X-Organization: National Aerospace Laboratory NLR User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message 15 Jan Tonnie Demarteau wrote: > On Sun, 14 Jan, Tim King wrote: > > > > In article <143665@pilling.demon.co.uk>, > > David Pilling wrote: > > > > > >Riscript throws back "error: rangecheck: OffendingCommand; > > > >-setscreen-" > > > > > > > Mrs. Demarteau has just pointed out to me that this is a result of > > > using the 'dot' screen. Other screens appear to be OK. > > > > What I wrote: > > "Recently I had the chance to make pdf's with !Riscript Pro 4 (it > wasn't the latest version) from PostScript Level2 output of Ovation Pro > 2.60 documents. > ALL failed, because of the line: > {Dot} setscreen > ALL did go well after I REMmed the line with %% > > The problem doesn't occur when I use Acrobat Distiller 3.02 or print > with my PostScript printer (Brother HL-1270N). Maybe the newer version > of !RiScript Pro has solved the problem of the setscreen command. > > ..... > > Of course, there is a 'PostScript screen' option in Impression > (File --> Print --> Typesetting) > When I switch it on, the setscreen command is in the PostScript output. > 150 45 {Spot1} setscreen > !RiScript Pro 4 doesn't complain, when I try to load it/distil Pdf. > Hence, with or without this command, !RiScript Pro doesn't complain. > I haven't tried the other screentypes. > > In Ovation Pro these types 'behave' correct: > (File --> Print setup --> Separations --> Screen) > 150 45 {Line} setscreen > 150 45 {Square} setscreen > 150 45 {Ellipse} setscreen > 150 45 {Circle} setscreen > and of course, switched off. > > but only this option: > > 150 45 {Dot} setscreen > > produces a PostScript output file, which isn't accepted by RiScript Pro: > "Message from DSCript; Error:Rangecheck; Offending command -setscreen- > > > Don't get the impression, I use these options. I ran into the problem, > because Ovation Pro as DEFAULT was configured with this > screentype/screen switched on" > > > > > > As I was about to reply to her, this screen comes from page 315 in > > > the Adobe Red Post Script book. Which would seem to make it > > > legitimate. > > > > Until the bureau get back to me and tell me they can't print, I'm > > assuming this is a Riscript thing. The file did render fine in GS. > > My file didn't give problems in Acrobat 3.02 or printing with my > printer, with or without ANY screen setting. As far as I know, > hardware setttings overrule the screen setting of the whole document, > except for the separate settings for the graphics. > > Problem is the error message of !RiScript. However, this doesn't mean > all other things in the PostScript file are correct. !RiScript stops > after this error and never reachs what comes after. > > Commenting out the {Dot} setscreen line in the PostScript file or print > a new PostScript file with the screen option off, maybe helps. > Graphics and some fonts are not dealed the same way in different > interpreters. A bad/not accepted graphic can be evil. Or a not accepted > character description. > > Good luck, > mrs. Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands I have just tested this feature with the latest version of !Riscript (4.12) and I found that Postscript Ovation Pro files (version 2.62) are interpreted just fine! I checked the Poscript file itself, produced by !Printers 1.64 using the generic Postscript Level 2 driver, and it contained your offending command (150 45 {Dot} setscreen). So use the latest version of Riscript and this problem is gone :-) Hope this clears the sky somewhat. Cheers, Frits Polak -- Frits R. Polak National Aerospace Laboratory (NLR), Amsterdam Airports Department phone : +31-(0)20-5113543; fax: +31-(0)20-5113210 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 16 15:45:38 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA143983 for opro ; Tue, 16 Jan 101 15:45:36 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 979654235:10:12225:13; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 14:10:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1010872; 16 Jan 2001 14:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA13844 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 13:06:53 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA13841 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 13:06:51 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14IWjz-0008MC-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 14:05:39 +0000 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 02:30:21 GMT Message-Id: <143952@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Hidden disc reference X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >"Recently I had the chance to make pdf's with !Riscript Pro 4 (it wasn't the >latest version) from PostScript Level2 output of Ovation Pro 2.60 documents. >ALL failed, because of the line: > {Dot} setscreen >ALL did go well after I REMmed the line with %% Might someone asked Cerilica what they think about this? David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 16 16:16:54 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA143992 for opro ; Tue, 16 Jan 101 16:16:52 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 979660206:20:14314:24; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 15:50:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2014417; 16 Jan 2001 15:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA14230 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 14:48:03 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA14226 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 14:48:01 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14IYJs-000JCO-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 15:46:48 +0000 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 15:41:21 GMT Message-Id: <143980@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Repeating error X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I am getting a regular crash with Ov Pro. I thought that 2.62 had cured >The document I am editing is an A5 pamphlet with two columns(our church's >weekly notices). The error occurs mainly when text is moved from one >column into the next by the insertion of other text into an earlier part >of the document. >Any ideas, please!? Without seeing the document its hard to say much. Probably it is a corrupt document and the most likely cure is to save as DDL and then reload. There is a bug concerning embedded frames that have been pushed out of the available text area - a possible sign is if your text areas are showing the overflow marker (view guidelines needs to be on). David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 16 16:16:57 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA143994 for opro ; Tue, 16 Jan 101 16:16:56 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 979660884:10:11294:17; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 16:01:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1011218; 16 Jan 2001 16:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA14229 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 14:48:02 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA12975 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 09:00:35 GMT Received: from croftsdt.demon.co.uk ([158.152.77.40]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 14ISta-000HJ3-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 09:59:19 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: David Crofts To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 09:56:52 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Repeating error Message-ID: <4a3db3eb27david@pandda.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a3b8a165dtim@de-sig.co.nz> References: <4a3b8a165dtim@de-sig.co.nz> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I am getting a regular crash with Ov Pro. I thought that 2.62 had cured it, but the same error numbers reappear time and time again. pc=600BF340 register at 00133D44 I am using a RiscPC SA 700 with 128Mb memory Also running are Strong Ed and Font Directory. The document I am editing is an A5 pamphlet with two columns(our church's weekly notices). The error occurs mainly when text is moved from one column into the next by the insertion of other text into an earlier part of the document. I thought I has cured the problem by recreating it and impriting the stuff from the old document section by section. Then suddenly it went again. This morning I had only been working 5 minutes and the program crashed twice. This is frustrating! Any ideas, please!? Many thanks David Crofts -- <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< < / _\ Rev David T Crofts | | \ _____ | |_/avid / \/ \__/rofts \_____/\ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 17 01:22:04 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA144031 for opro ; Wed, 17 Jan 101 01:22:01 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 979685621:20:02537:29; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 22:53:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2116683; 16 Jan 2001 22:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA15396 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 21:26:02 GMT Received: from mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (mta03-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.43]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA15393 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 21:26:00 GMT Received: from mcqueen ([62.252.168.206]) by mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with SMTP id <20010116222442.DCZP10171.mta03-svc.ntlworld.com@mcqueen> for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 22:24:42 +0000 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 22:22:59 +0100 From: Colin McQueen To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ovation Pro 2.62 problems Message-ID: <46bcf23d4a.cmcqueen@cmcqueen.ntlworld.com> References: <143837@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <143837@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: The McQueen Family User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.07b (MsgServe/1.07d) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <143837@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > > >I'm having trouble getting drag and drop to work outside the window with > >pictures ? Is it possible ? (OvPro to Easiwriter for eg.) > > Yes possible. But the picture has to be marked (double click) and > you have to hold down ALT. > OK got it working now but now I find that the Alt drag of a tablemate file from OvPro to EasiWriter produces a file that displays as a blank (but it is there) when it is dragged from EW to a text editor it is longer than the one produced by dropping the same file OvPro > tablemate > text editor ? Something is not working in the transfer here. I'll post this to csaa (as there's a TableMate thread going) and to icon-users. -- Colin McQueen : Using an Acorn StrongARM Risc PC Web Domain : http://www.mcqueen.uk.net/ BSc Zoology + Oceanography : PGCE : MSc in CBL/T -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 17 13:37:26 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA144044 for opro ; Wed, 17 Jan 101 13:37:23 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 979700234:10:00013:15; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 02:57:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1029729; 17 Jan 2001 2:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA16055 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 01:27:25 GMT Received: from snowy.kiwilink.co.nz (snowy.kiwilink.co.nz [202.27.215.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA16052 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 01:27:19 GMT Received: from timk.ns.planet.gen.nz (ppp-20.kiwilink.co.nz [202.27.215.86]) by snowy.kiwilink.co.nz (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id f0H2Ofg00360 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 15:24:42 +1300 (NZDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tim King To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 15:26:15 +1200 Subject: Re: Hidden disc reference Message-ID: <4a3e13fe53tim@de-sig.co.nz> In-Reply-To: <840fba3d4a.polak@nararch.nlr.nl> References: <143665@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4a3ced6268tim@de-sig.co.nz> <004a01c07ee4$d76d4640$4d01a8c0@padua> <840fba3d4a.polak@ User-Agent: Pluto/2.02a (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <840fba3d4a.polak@nararch.nlr.nl>, F.R. Polak wrote: > I have just tested this feature with the latest version of !Riscript > (4.12) and I found that Postscript Ovation Pro files (version 2.62) are > interpreted just fine! 4.12 arrived yesterday. Just tested it from OP 2.60 & it still chokes. Sheesh! Thinks... this is ridiculous. Riscript has dealt with OP files before. The last 3 versions of RS all choke, but everything works from OP 2.58. That particular line is the same in the ps, so... who cares. Off to download 2.62. Tim -- Tim King... de-Sig. +64 9 478.3114 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 17 13:38:06 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA144056 for opro ; Wed, 17 Jan 101 13:38:04 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 979727457:10:18344:14; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 10:30:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1017530; 17 Jan 2001 10:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA17293 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 09:28:26 GMT Received: from grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net (grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net [193.67.237.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA17290 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 09:28:23 GMT Received: from padua by grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net via 1Cust120.tnt21.rtm1.nl.uu.net [213.116.136.120] with SMTP for id LAA16806 (8.8.8/1.3); Wed, 17 Jan 2001 11:27:10 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <002e01c0806f$87e37590$4d01a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: "Ovation Pro" References: <143665@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4a3ced6268tim@de-sig.co.nz> Subject: Re: Hidden disc reference Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 11:22:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Sun, Jan 14, : Tim King wrote: > > Re my original problem: I'd assumed the error was being reported from > OP (when in fact it was a few steps removed). Is there an easy way for > someone like me to determine where (ie at least, what app) they're > coming from? The title bar of the error window read "Message from > SCSI" or something. Not terribly helpful when there were no longer any > SCSI drives in the machine. Have you tried to load your offending Ovation doc, opening a taskwindow and using the command *show ? Unlinking the file and searching ALL the variables for a reference to SCSI ? The culprit can be on a very unexpected place, appearing over and over again in your doc's until you have removed it at the correct place in your computer. mrs. Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 17 17:13:50 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA144073 for opro ; Wed, 17 Jan 101 17:13:47 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 979746944:20:27941:20; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 15:55:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2128973; 17 Jan 2001 15:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA18506 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 14:49:54 GMT Received: from snowstorm.mail.pipex.net (snowstorm.mail.pipex.net [158.43.192.97]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA17335 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 09:31:25 GMT Received: (qmail 4138 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2001 10:30:11 -0000 Received: from usereu44.uk.uudial.com (HELO kell) (62.188.17.128) by smtp-5.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 17 Jan 2001 10:30:11 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Kell To: Ovation Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 10:20:28 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Postal bar codes Message-ID: <48c5c5d84akell@locationworks.com> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I remember seeing this being discussed before, but was unable to find any reference anywhere. Is there a font available somewhere for creating the UK postal bar codes? Or does anyone know where I can find the spec - I've trawled the net without success. Regards, -- Kell Gatherer kell@locationworks.com www.locationworks.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 17 17:13:54 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA144075 for opro ; Wed, 17 Jan 101 17:13:51 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 979746880:10:11864:21; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 15:54:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1011061; 17 Jan 2001 15:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA18508 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 14:49:55 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA18503 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 14:49:52 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14IupE-000AXX-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 15:48:40 +0000 Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 13:46:04 GMT Message-Id: <144066@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Postal bar codes X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Is there a font available somewhere for creating the UK postal bar codes? Yes, supplied with the POBar applet, on my web site or on the CD. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 17 18:49:56 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA144087 for opro ; Wed, 17 Jan 101 18:49:53 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 979755465:20:00586:16; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 18:17:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2105360; 17 Jan 2001 18:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA19114 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 17:15:01 GMT Received: from cmailg5.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg5.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.175]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA19111 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 17:14:58 GMT Received: from modem-65.edhel.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.170.65] helo=fsnet.co.uk) by cmailg5.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 14Ix5c-0002Yz-00; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 18:13:45 +0000 Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 17:38:38 +0000 (GMT) From: "Dr. Don Lewis" Subject: Mailmerge labels To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="1319550-1603566409-979753118=:1904222667" X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R This message is in MIME format. If you are reading this text, then your mail package doesn't fully support MIME - there may be a newer release available from your supplier. Created using the !Marcel mail package from ANT Ltd --1319550-1603566409-979753118=:1904222667 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII >> In article <3A6098F5.1020000@sees.bangor.ac.uk>, >> John P. Kerslake wrote: >> What font & size does the PO want us to use? > 12pt Homerton Medium or Bold or Fruition Regular or Bold I've been having trouble trying to apply this with Mailmerge using the merge_strip function if there are blank lines. For example if the postcode is [Merge 4] which is set to Homerton, then this works fine if all the preceding [Merges] are used. However is one is blank then it is the [Merge 5] line that appears (for me) in Homerton. Am I doing anything wrong? Don Lewis -- Dr. Don Lewis 204, Stoke Lane, Phone (+44) 117 9682108 Bristol, BS9 3RU Email don@lewis-wot.fsnet.co.uk I --1319550-1603566409-979753118=:1904222667 Content-Type: TEXT/Plain; NAME=block Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk --1319550-1603566409-979753118=:1904222667 Content-Type: TEXT/Plain; NAME=block Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk --1319550-1603566409-979753118=:1904222667-- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 18 01:28:52 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA144126 for opro ; Thu, 18 Jan 101 01:28:47 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 979772598:10:29073:13; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 23:03:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1110099; 17 Jan 2001 23:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA19970 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 22:01:02 GMT Received: from mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (mta03-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.43]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA19967 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 22:01:00 GMT Received: from mcqueen ([62.252.165.139]) by mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with SMTP id <20010117225946.RIGD10171.mta03-svc.ntlworld.com@mcqueen> for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 22:59:46 +0000 Path: cmcqueen.ntlworld.com%cmcqueen Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 20:25:54 +0100 From: Colin McQueen Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn.apps Cc: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: who does tablemate? Message-ID: <1cda6b3e4a.cmcqueen@cmcqueen.ntlworld.com> References: <4a3a4d543cnak@fargonet.co.uk> <4a3ad426ccjo <4a3ad98ae8mmartin@zetnet.co.uk> <4a3bf2bd22john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <41402b3c4a.dmacca@dmnt01725.cableinet.co.uk> <3A62C357 <3A6559C2.8304FFA2@mdx.ac.uk> Organization: The McQueen Family Lines: 85 User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.07b (MsgServe/1.07d) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Posted-And-Mailed: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id WAB19970 Status: R [Posted and mailed] In message <3A6559C2.8304FFA2@mdx.ac.uk> George Buchanan wrote: > Colin McQueen wrote: > >=20 > > In message <3A62C357.9B0FC28@mdx.ac.uk> > > George Buchanan wrote: > >=20 > > > I don't know about Duncan - but John should have got an email yeste= rday > > > along with Ray Dawson and several other folks - I suddenly received > > > about a dozen emails from 3rd-6th December?! > > > > > > Our email was out for over a week recently as Demon decided not to = play > > > ball with our aging Motorola 3400 modem, but all seems happy again = so > > > lots of emails sent out yesterday. > > > > > > The current version of TableMate is 5.01e FWIW. > >=20 > > And very good it is. I like the vertical text but ... > >=20 > > Still waiting to get the passed on currency symbol (or lack of) bug > > fixed. > ...I haven't managed to replicate it yet - still trying. Eh ? It's dead simple. Put =A31.00 in A1 put =A31.00 in A2 Put SUM(A1A2= ) in A3 (result is =A32.00 - as expected) and then put A3+1 in A4. Result is 3.00 in A4 not =A33.00. Using 5.01e 11 Nov 2000 >=20 > > Also noticed not enough memory erros like when opening a configure bo= x > > or doing OLE. Not reproducable but had 2 in the last 5 minutes using > > RO4.02 and 64MB RAM. Type 5 error results. > ...I suspect that that's an earlier 5.01 bug - it actually came from > an over-eager use of the undo buffer when dragging - double-check > which version you're on. Done, Still 5.01e 11 Nov 2000 >=20 > > Any chance of the Show labels choice being configurable... thinks ... > > looks ... Ah it may be in the configure file but not the Configure > > dialogue... oops another Type 5. > ...probably that one again - it tends to lie in wait for a dialogue > to open. Did you spot the fact that editing the Configure file messes up the dialogue. >=20 > > I do wish a return would create a new row and shift return a in cell > > return as in EasiWriter and Fireworkz. Actually I think FW is a Ctrl > > return, which is Page break in EW. Consistency across apps on one > > platform .. is it a useful aim ? > ...mmm... could make it configurable - no-one's mentioned it before. > Maybe not many people are using all these Apps to teach kids to be adventurous. I suspect very few use TableMate as an intro to spreadsheets then move on to Fireworkz. Anyway if its not made uniform across all the Apps there isn't much point I suppose. Just tell them it can be done (page-breaks) and challenge them to find out how. I wonder what MickeySoft products do ? > > Is there some way of importing named colours from say OvationPro ? > ...not that I'm aware of - it'd take DP to add stuff to OVPro when > the file was returned (due to restrictions on the Draw file format); How is the named colour stored in the Drawfile and then howis it connected to the cell ? > it's something I did discuss with CC once vis-a-vis Impression, as > it makes typesetting in colour a lot easier. > Maybe you and DP could have a discussion ? --=20 Colin McQueen : Using an Acorn StrongARM Risc PC Web Domain : http://www.mcqueen.uk.net/ BSc Zoology + Oceanography : PGCE : MSc in CBL/T -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 18 14:10:23 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA144144 for opro ; Thu, 18 Jan 101 14:10:21 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 979786087:20:26214:13; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 02:48:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2113298; 18 Jan 2001 2:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA20603 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 01:46:59 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA20599 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 01:46:57 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14J557-0003gb-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 02:45:45 +0000 Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 01:59:48 GMT Message-Id: <144141@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: who does tablemate? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >How is the named colour stored in the Drawfile and then howis it >connected to the cell ? I once had an idea where if you had a named colour RGBrrggbb it would substitute for any colour in a Draw file with value rrggbb. However state of play is how Cerilica Vantage manages to store such info in Draw files. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 18 14:10:24 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA144145 for opro ; Thu, 18 Jan 101 14:10:22 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 979787341:10:02644:13; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 03:09:01 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1109678; 18 Jan 2001 3:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA20600 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 01:46:57 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA20595 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 01:46:55 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14J555-0003gb-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 02:45:44 +0000 Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 01:57:01 GMT Message-Id: <144139@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Mailmerge labels X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I've been having trouble trying to apply this with Mailmerge using the >merge_strip function if there are blank lines. >For example if the postcode is [Merge 4] which is set to Homerton, then >this works fine if all the preceding [Merges] are used. However is one >is blank then it is the [Merge 5] line that appears (for me) in >Homerton. Yes, as expected. The font is applied to the tag, whatever text appears in that tag. The strip code just makes the contents of say tag 4 what would have been in tag 5. In other words style information can't be passed back in the tags. If you want the postcode in one font and the rest of the address in another (it would help if an aesthete would say this is horrid) you're out of luck. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 18 14:10:37 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA144149 for opro ; Thu, 18 Jan 101 14:10:30 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 979809938:10:18748:32; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 09:25:38 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1107103; 18 Jan 2001 9:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA21840 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 08:24:08 GMT Received: from gateh.kw.bbc.co.uk (gateh.kw.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.17]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA21837 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 08:24:06 GMT Received: from w1bhxi02.radio.bbc.co.uk (w1bhxi02.radio.bbc.co.uk [132.185.40.147]) by gateh.kw.bbc.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA10637 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 09:22:48 GMT Received: from w1bhxi01.radio.bbc.co.uk (unverified) by w1bhxi02.radio.bbc.co.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.1.2) with ESMTP id for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 09:22:45 -0000 Message-ID: <21B2A2008F16D2118E7A00805F8BF7ECA995C9@w12wnxu01.wn.bbc.co.uk> From: Michael Hunter To: "'ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk'" Subject: RE: Mailmerge labels Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 09:22:42 -0000 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro David Pilling wrote: > If you want the postcode in one font and the rest of the address in another > (it would help if an aesthete would say this is horrid) you're out of luck. Last week somebody suggested that the Postcode should be the first line of the address. If you use this option then the font change could be achieved by having one font (Homerton for the first tag and a different font for the others. Could this not also be used for merging PO Bar codes which seem to come before the address (at least it did on a letter I received this morning)? Michael > Michael Hunter > > This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify me immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the BBC, unless specifically stated. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 18 14:10:42 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA144153 for opro ; Thu, 18 Jan 101 14:10:39 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 979815866:20:12971:15; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 11:04:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2012715; 18 Jan 2001 11:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA22171 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 09:55:17 GMT Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net (monsoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA22168 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 09:55:15 GMT Received: (qmail 1195 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2001 10:54:03 -0000 Received: from userfg76.uk.uudial.com (HELO kell) (62.188.22.78) by smtp-1.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2001 10:54:03 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: ovation To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 10:11:32 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Postal bar codes Message-ID: <4a3ebceecaovation@locationworks.com> In-Reply-To: <144066@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <144066@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On 17 Jan, David Pilling wrote: > >Is there a font available somewhere for creating the UK postal bar > >codes? > Yes, supplied with the POBar applet, on my web site or on the CD. Thanks, David. Do you know how I could find out how the checksum is calculated? I don't understand the applet language well enough to decipher your coding. -- Kell Gatherer ovation@locationworks.com www.locationworks.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 18 14:10:47 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA144154 for opro ; Thu, 18 Jan 101 14:10:44 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 979822081:20:11725:14; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 12:48:01 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2011279; 18 Jan 2001 12:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA22544 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 11:43:41 GMT Received: from mail1.svr.pol.co.uk (mail1.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.18]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA22541 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 11:43:39 GMT Received: from modem-89.scandium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.20.89] helo=beeston12) by mail1.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 14JEOZ-0000vC-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 12:42:28 +0000 Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 12:10:25 +0000 From: Robin Phillips To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Importing illustration to OvationPro document Message-ID: <70d1c73e4a%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> X-Organization: home X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m User-Agent: POPstar/2.02 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Dear colleagues, Can you please help? I need to import an illustration, a sprite edited in the Paint application, into an OvationPro document. I wish to keep the original size, so I drag the file with Control held down. When I try printing out the result, I find a thin border all round the illustration, and do not know how to get rid of this. I have checked the illustration in Paint and edited out any black pixels along the borders, so that is not the cause. Can you please tell me what to do to avoid this? Yours sincerely, Robin. -- Robin Phillips, 1, Newcastle Avenue, Beeston, Notts., NG9 1BT; Phone: +44 (0)115 922 4930 E-mail: rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 18 17:31:55 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA144172 for opro ; Thu, 18 Jan 101 17:31:53 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 979834081:10:07647:27; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 16:08:01 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1007166; 18 Jan 2001 16:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA23177 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 15:02:59 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA23174 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 15:02:57 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14JHVO-000G2Y-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 16:01:42 +0000 Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 14:28:08 GMT Message-Id: <144163@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Postal bar codes X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Thanks, David. Do you know how I could find out how the checksum is >calculated? I don't understand the applet language well enough to decipher >your coding. There is a PO document which explains everything. I had a friendly mole within the organisation who dug up a copy for me. Otherwise I guess you go ask them. Anyway why don't you just use the applet... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 18 21:25:10 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA144213 for opro ; Thu, 18 Jan 101 21:25:08 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 979849216:10:18494:13; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 20:20:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1124471; 18 Jan 2001 20:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA23992 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 19:12:56 GMT Received: from dino.intonet.co.uk (root@dino.intonet.co.uk [62.232.111.3]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA23989 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 19:12:54 GMT Received: from marteng.intonet.co.uk (user139.intonet.co.uk [62.232.111.71]) by dino.intonet.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA01891 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 20:11:37 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Marten Gallagher To: "'ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk'" Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 20:04:37 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Mailmerge labels Message-ID: <4a3ef33b5dmarteng@intonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <21B2A2008F16D2118E7A00805F8BF7ECA995C9@w12wnxu01.wn.bbc.co.uk> References: <21B2A2008F16D2118E7A00805F8BF7ECA995C9@w12wnxu01.wn.bbc.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > Last week somebody suggested that the Postcode should be the first line >of the address. If you use this option then the font change could be >achieved by having one font (Homerton for the first tag and a different >font for the others. I think we're getting at cross-purposes here... What I actually said, in response to two separate questions, was: a - A PostCode _BAR_code should be the top line of the address with or without a one line gap between the bar code and the first line of the address; and, b - The Address itself including the _POST_code should be in Homerton 12pt Medium or Bold (or Fruition/Frutiger) Regular or Bold But it seems, from Jonathan's recent posting, that having different fonts in a merge causes problems (i.e: cannot happen) if the merge is ignoring blank lines. Slainte -- Marten Gallagher - marten@annerykiln.co.uk http://www.annerykiln.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 19 21:03:32 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA144275 for opro ; Fri, 19 Jan 101 21:03:30 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 979930499:20:26130:23; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 18:54:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2111063; 19 Jan 2001 18:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA27371 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 17:49:55 GMT Received: from dino.intonet.co.uk (root@dino.intonet.co.uk [62.232.111.3]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA27368 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 17:49:53 GMT Received: from marteng.intonet.co.uk (user159.intonet.co.uk [62.232.111.91]) by dino.intonet.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA09357 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 18:48:30 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Marten Gallagher To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 18:47:13 +0000 (GMT) Subject: CMYK TIFs go a funny fluorescent colour Message-ID: <4a3f6ffb55marteng@intonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R If I import a CMYK TIF to a frame it is displayed in a fluorescent-like version of itself. I.e: the colours appear very wrong indeed. 'Use inks to display CMYK colours' _is_ ticked. If I import an RGB TIFD or a sprite it is as would be expected - colourwise. Any thoughts? Slainte -- Marten Gallagher - marten@annerykiln.co.uk http://www.annerykiln.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jan 20 02:07:59 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA144317 for opro ; Sat, 20 Jan 101 02:07:57 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 979943793:20:02486:15; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 22:36:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2114289; 19 Jan 2001 22:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA28047 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 21:24:35 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA28044 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 21:24:33 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14JjwH-000KMU-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 22:23:21 +0000 Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 21:09:07 GMT Message-Id: <144289@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: CMYK TIFs go a funny fluorescent colour X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Yep... TransFSI (as supplied with OPro) handles CMYK TIFF's badly (just because ChangeFSI does). TransTIFF OTOH (which comes with Impression) does a better job. Both will handle RGB TIFF's. So if you have the choice, and need to load CMYK TIFF's use TransTIFF. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jan 20 18:06:42 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA144354 for opro ; Sat, 20 Jan 101 18:06:41 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 980004125:20:29146:14; Sat, 20 Jan 2001 15:22:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2119796; 20 Jan 2001 15:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA30707 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 20 Jan 2001 14:19:43 GMT Received: from host1.kbnet.co.uk (IDENT:root@host1.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA30704 for ; Sat, 20 Jan 2001 14:19:41 GMT Received: from kbnet.co.uk (host217-32-145-223.hg.mdip.bt.net [217.32.145.223]) by host1.kbnet.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA21447 for ; Sat, 20 Jan 2001 15:15:53 GMT Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 15:03:39 GMT From: Mike Williams To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: CMYK TIFs go a funny fluorescent colour Message-ID: <8959df3f4a.akalat@akalat.kbnet.co.uk> References: <4a3f6ffb55marteng@intonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a3f6ffb55marteng@intonet.co.uk> X-Organization: Akalat Publishing User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/3.60) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <4a3f6ffb55marteng@intonet.co.uk> you wrote: > If I import a CMYK TIF to a frame it is displayed in a fluorescent- like > version of itself. > > I.e: the colours appear very wrong indeed. > > 'Use inks to display CMYK colours' _is_ ticked. > > If I import an RGB TIFD or a sprite it is as would be expected - > colourwise. > Since TIFF loaders always convert TIFFs into sprite format I would always recommend converting TIFF to sprite externally, and then importing the sprite into Ovation Pro. Any problems with imported TIFFs are likely to be limitations in the TIFF file loader. Mike Williams Akalat Publishing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jan 20 21:52:15 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA144376 for opro ; Sat, 20 Jan 101 21:52:11 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 980027546:20:06023:13; Sat, 20 Jan 2001 21:52:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2124060; 20 Jan 2001 21:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA31925 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 20 Jan 2001 20:49:23 GMT Received: from dino.intonet.co.uk (root@dino.intonet.co.uk [62.232.111.3]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA31922 for ; Sat, 20 Jan 2001 20:49:21 GMT Received: from marteng.intonet.co.uk (user153.intonet.co.uk [62.232.111.85]) by dino.intonet.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA07189 for ; Sat, 20 Jan 2001 21:48:08 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Marten Gallagher To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 21:40:54 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: CMYK TIFs go a funny fluorescent colour Message-ID: <4a4003b7ecmarteng@intonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <8959df3f4a.akalat@akalat.kbnet.co.uk> References: <4a3f6ffb55marteng@intonet.co.uk> <8959df3f4a.akalat@akalat.kbnet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R > Since TIFF loaders always convert TIFFs into sprite format I would > always recommend converting TIFF to sprite externally, and then > importing the sprite into Ovation Pro. Any problems with imported TIFFs > are likely to be limitations in the TIFF file loader. But, if I import a 400dpi TIFF (which is the resolution wanted by the graphics house) it is converted to 90dpi Sprite type 5 and comes in at 82kbytes If I import a Sprite it stays at 400dpi but the contrast breaks up all over the picture. It is a Sprite Type 6 and comes in at 3.16Mbytes I am rapidly losing hair, patience and time (=money) over this and the PoScript saga! Slainte -- Marten Gallagher - marten@annerykiln.co.uk http://www.annerykiln.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jan 20 23:35:17 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA144379 for opro ; Sat, 20 Jan 101 23:35:15 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 980027651:10:11124:13; Sat, 20 Jan 2001 21:54:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1120168; 20 Jan 2001 21:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA31977 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 20 Jan 2001 20:53:57 GMT Received: from cmailg5.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg5.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.175]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA29943 for ; Sat, 20 Jan 2001 09:59:23 GMT Received: from modem-62.neilsborium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.73.190] helo=freeserve.co.uk) by cmailg5.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 14Jvik-0002OX-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 20 Jan 2001 10:58:11 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Brian Jordan To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 10:56:55 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Magazine printing Message-ID: <4a3fc8c27bbrian@drood68.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a3b25aca6rod@argonet.co.uk> References: <143084@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4a3b25aca6rod@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I have recently taken on the task of producing a quarterly magazine. It will be produced in Ovation Pro and will be A5 sized (ie the same as Archive magazine). 250 to 300 copies will be required of each issue. I have undertaken similar, although smaller, projects in the past and the editorial side is not a problem. However this will be the first time that I have used a commercial printer and here I have no experience at all. Any advice including where I can find information on this topic on the web would be much appreciated. My apologies if this is not an appropriate topic for this list. -- Brian Jordan >From an SA RPC somewhere in North Hampshire. England Did Noah keep his bees in archives? -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jan 20 23:35:18 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA144380 for opro ; Sat, 20 Jan 101 23:35:15 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 980028072:20:05714:13; Sat, 20 Jan 2001 22:01:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2005472; 20 Jan 2001 22:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA32035 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 20 Jan 2001 21:00:51 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA32032 for ; Sat, 20 Jan 2001 21:00:49 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14K62r-000Jp3-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 20 Jan 2001 21:59:37 +0000 Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 21:53:38 GMT Message-Id: <144377@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: CMYK TIFs go a funny fluorescent colour X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >But, if I import a 400dpi TIFF (which is the resolution wanted by the >graphics house) it is converted to 90dpi Sprite type 5 and comes in at >82kbytes Type 5 means RGB 16bpp. >If I import a Sprite it stays at 400dpi but the contrast breaks up all over >the picture. It is a Sprite Type 6 and comes in at 3.16Mbytes Type 6 means RGB 32bpp. TransFSI has another catch (at least when set up in certain ways) in that it changes the resolution and colour depth to that of the screen. As to the contrast breaking up - one picture is worth a thousand words - someimes you can get artefacts from the low screen resolution. I'd be inclined to zoom up the view and see if it looks better. But clearly you should have plenty of programs that can look at the sprite before you import it. Finally (see long discussion before Xmas) sprites don't carry resolution information. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jan 20 23:35:26 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA144382 for opro ; Sat, 20 Jan 101 23:35:19 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 980029709:20:07086:13; Sat, 20 Jan 2001 22:28:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2007024; 20 Jan 2001 22:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA32162 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 20 Jan 2001 21:24:53 GMT Received: from smtp.pandora.be (hercules.telenet-ops.be [195.130.132.33]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA32159 for ; Sat, 20 Jan 2001 21:24:50 GMT Received: (qmail 25466 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2001 22:23:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO riscpc.be) ([213.224.4.112]) (envelope-sender ) by hercules.telenet-ops.be (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 20 Jan 2001 22:23:35 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jan De Poorter To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 23:23:30 +0100 Subject: Re: Magazine printing Message-ID: <4a40079e70jdp@pandora.be> In-Reply-To: <4a3fc8c27bbrian@drood68.freeserve.co.uk> References: <143084@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4a3b25aca6rod@argonet.co.uk> <4a3fc8c27bbrian@drood68.freeserve.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02c (RISC-OS/4.03) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Brian Jordan wrote: > I have recently taken on the task of producing a quarterly > magazine. It will be produced in Ovation Pro and will be A5 sized > (ie the same as Archive magazine). 250 to 300 copies will be > required of each issue. I have undertaken similar, although > smaller, projects in the past and the editorial side is not a > problem. However this will be the first time that I have used a > commercial printer and here I have no experience at all. Any advice > including where I can find information on this topic on the web > would be much appreciated. My apologies if this is not an > appropriate topic for this list. Two people with lots of experience in the Acorn/RISC OS/Publishing field would be Mike Williams of Akalat/Acorn Publisher (akalat@kbnet.co.uk) and Tony Tolver of T-J Reproductions (http://www.cybervillage.co.uk/folio/TJRepro/Acorn.html) hth, Jan -- Jan De Poorter Gent - Belgium mailto:jdp@pandora.be -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sun Jan 21 18:04:21 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA144391 for opro ; Sun, 21 Jan 101 18:04:16 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 980070868:20:13262:13; Sun, 21 Jan 2001 09:54:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2012898; 21 Jan 2001 9:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA01602 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 21 Jan 2001 08:52:55 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA01599 for ; Sun, 21 Jan 2001 08:52:53 GMT Received: from aether.demon.co.uk ([158.152.186.18] helo=death.therealm) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 14KH9x-0005Dv-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 21 Jan 2001 09:51:41 +0000 Received: from medusa.therealm ([192.168.0.1] helo=medusa) by death.therealm with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 14KFyI-000319-00 for ; Sun, 21 Jan 2001 08:35:34 +0000 Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 08:29:03 +0000 From: Matthew Hambley To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Magazine printing Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4a3fc8c27bbrian@drood68.freeserve.co.uk> X-Organization: Beyond the Reality Barrier X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS X-Editor: Zap 1.44 (19 May 2000) [TEST 3], ZapEmail 0.25 (18 Mar 2000) test-2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b User-Agent: POPstar/2.02 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <4a3fc8c27bbrian@drood68.freeserve.co.uk> Brian Jordan wrote: > I have recently taken on the task of producing a quarterly magazine. It > will be produced in Ovation Pro and will be A5 sized (ie the same as > Archive magazine). 250 to 300 copies will be required of each issue. > I have undertaken similar, although smaller, projects in the past and the > editorial side is not a problem. However this will be the first time that > I have used a commercial printer and here I have no experience at all. > Any advice including where I can find information on this topic on the > web would be much appreciated. I have produced smaller documents - A4 folded to A5, 16 pages, 100 copies. I had these printed by an office copy shop on what, although called a photocopier, is more like a bulk laser printer. If I remember correctly the one I used was a Canon "DocuTech". Basically you feed in a PostScript file and it bangs out as many copies as you want. The quality is not superb but it is adiquate if you can wrestle a detailed spec of exactly what the copy shop need so they can just pass the file straight off the disc and into the copier. As for price, it was economic enough for a student society. -- (\/)atthew Hambley ----------------\ If something's worth doing it's worth \ doing badly until you can learn to matthew@aether.demon.co.uk \ do it well. http://www.therealm.freeserve.co.uk/ \----------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sun Jan 21 18:05:06 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA144397 for opro ; Sun, 21 Jan 101 18:05:02 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 980083474:10:19803:13; Sun, 21 Jan 2001 13:24:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1103294; 21 Jan 2001 13:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA02092 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 21 Jan 2001 11:34:04 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA02089 for ; Sun, 21 Jan 2001 11:33:53 GMT Received: from bvista.demon.co.uk ([194.222.32.134]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 14KJfS-000OhN-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 21 Jan 2001 12:32:23 +0000 Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 12:29:39 +0000 (GMT) From: Arthur Taylor Subject: Re: Magazine printing To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Arthur Taylor X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <4a3fc8c27bbrian@drood68.freeserve.co.uk> Brian Jordan wrote: > I have recently taken on the task of producing a quarterly magazine. It > will be produced in Ovation Pro and will be A5 sized (ie the same as > Archive magazine). 250 to 300 copies will be required of each issue. > I have undertaken similar, although smaller, projects in the past and the > editorial side is not a problem. However this will be the first time that > I have used a commercial printer and here I have no experience at all. > Any advice including where I can find information on this topic on the > web would be much appreciated. > I do something similar 3 times a year - 16 to 24 pages A5 stapled with 'self cover' (at least, I think that's what it's called ie no separate cover), also 250 - 300 copies. I prepare the masters at A4 and they are now photocopied by a local copy shop using a fast, supposedly 'high quality' copier. He used to photolitho print it using cheap paper plates, but when he got the new copier he reckoned it became cheaper to use that and that there would be no loss of quality. I'm not entirely convinced, but it is of reasonable quality (and my editor is pretty fussy!). I use a laser printer at 300dpi - there didn't seem to be any improvemnet in quality in using 600dpi - and just supply the loose A4 page masters, he then reduces to A5, copies, collates, folds and staples. The last issue was 20 pages, 280 copies and cost about ukp175 AFAIR. Doing it this way saves the hassle of postscript - not that he's interested in the idea of ps which he says he doesn't use often, although pdf seems to interest him more. Obviously the quality (of the method we use) isn't so good, but it isn't too bad as long as you don't want to reproduce photographs - they really are pretty awful. I try whereever possible to use vector illustrations as these are reproduced well, but occaisionally have to use bit-maps - fortunately (or perhaps unfortunately for those who read it) there aren't many illustrations in it. regards, -- Arthur Taylor, Parkstone, Poole -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jan 27 14:01:01 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA144651 for opro ; Sat, 27 Jan 101 14:01:00 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 980602788:20:14946:13; Sat, 27 Jan 2001 13:39:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2117982; 27 Jan 2001 13:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA24771 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 27 Jan 2001 12:34:11 GMT Received: from mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (mta03-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.43]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA24768 for ; Sat, 27 Jan 2001 12:34:03 GMT Received: from mcqueen ([62.252.169.213]) by mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with SMTP id <20010127133242.YHJ10171.mta03-svc.ntlworld.com@mcqueen> for ; Sat, 27 Jan 2001 13:32:42 +0000 Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 21:44:15 +0100 From: Colin McQueen To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: No posts coming in. Message-ID: <648c15434a.cmcqueen@cmcqueen.ntlworld.com> X-Organization: The McQueen Family User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.07b (MsgServe/1.07d) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hi If anyone gets this can they reply to my personal email address. I haven't had any posts for a few days. David, is there a debug option that would provide you with some useful info on crashed. We have had several total freeze ups or repeating error loops recently. (I need to upgrade to 2.62 from 2.60) I'm happy to organise a dump onto hard discs or whatever. I'll try to keep a clear record from now on. Nothing totally repeatable AFAICS. Most recent one was :- Ovation stuck but pointer worked as did Alt-Break ti get out of it, when a user clicked on OK when changing page guidelines (Broadsheet dimnesions and 8 column format - 20 others had no problem, I had no problem on same machine with OVPro loaded seconds later. Cheers -- Colin McQueen : Using an Acorn StrongARM Risc PC Web Domain : http://www.mcqueen.uk.net/ BSc Zoology + Oceanography : PGCE : MSc in CBL/T -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jan 27 14:16:07 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA144660 for opro ; Sat, 27 Jan 101 14:16:00 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 980604420:20:25145:13; Sat, 27 Jan 2001 14:07:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2025036; 27 Jan 2001 14:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA24927 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 27 Jan 2001 13:01:34 GMT Received: from serenity.mcc.ac.uk (serenity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.93]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA24924 for ; Sat, 27 Jan 2001 13:01:32 GMT Received: from ananke.jb.man.ac.uk ([130.88.24.124]) by serenity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #4) id 14MVtt-00082A-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 27 Jan 2001 14:00:21 +0000 Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 14:00:49 +0000 (GMT) From: Peter Thomasson X-Sender: pt@ananke To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: No posts coming in. In-Reply-To: <648c15434a.cmcqueen@cmcqueen.ntlworld.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Received message. Peter Thomasson -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jan 27 14:33:49 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA144661 for opro ; Sat, 27 Jan 101 14:33:46 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 980605400:10:01559:16; Sat, 27 Jan 2001 14:23:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1120348; 27 Jan 2001 14:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA25021 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 27 Jan 2001 13:18:26 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA25018 for ; Sat, 27 Jan 2001 13:18:25 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14MWAD-000BkT-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 27 Jan 2001 14:17:13 +0000 Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 14:02:42 GMT Message-Id: <144652@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: No posts coming in. X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >If anyone gets this can they reply to my personal email address. >I haven't had any posts for a few days. If ever you think something is wrong with the list, I'd point out that postings are archived as they are received on the barnet ftp site ftp://freenet.barnet.ac.uk/pub/Acorn/mailing-lists/ovationpro/ so you can check. > is there a debug option that would provide you with some useful >info on crashed. No. The release versions are compiled with no debug data in. If necessary I've supplied people with recompiled ones. However by far the best debuging data is a repeatable set of steps that cause the problem. >We have had several total freeze ups or repeating >error loops recently. For 'freeze ups' I guess the first step is to try control+escape which will terminate any scripts. By doing that you can probably isolate the cause to an applet. >Ovation stuck but pointer worked as did Alt-Break ti get out of it, when >a user clicked on OK when changing page guidelines (Broadsheet >dimnesions and 8 column format - 20 others had no problem, I had no >problem on same machine with OVPro loaded seconds later. And of course (Mr. Turings famous halting problem), sometimes it will just take a long time for OPro to do what you ask it to. Updating the document after a change of master page is a common example. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jan 27 15:51:05 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA144663 for opro ; Sat, 27 Jan 101 15:51:03 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 980607490:10:02286:13; Sat, 27 Jan 2001 14:58:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1104702; 27 Jan 2001 14:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA25311 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 27 Jan 2001 13:58:01 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA25308 for ; Sat, 27 Jan 2001 13:57:57 GMT Received: from usercc36.uk.uudial.com (62.188.151.48) [62.188.151.48] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 14MWmT-00029s-00; Sat, 27 Jan 2001 14:56:46 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Ted Lacey) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 14:53:35 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.24 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Re: No posts coming in. Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Todays messages are the first that I have received since 21 January. So you are not alone. Ted -- ________________________________________________________________________________ Ted Lacey - ZFC LXXIX - RiscPC600 - StrongArmed tedell@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 29 17:45:11 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA144696 for opro ; Mon, 29 Jan 101 17:45:09 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 980684519:20:00455:13; Sun, 28 Jan 2001 12:21:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2000163; 28 Jan 2001 12:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA29105 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 28 Jan 2001 11:06:38 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA29102 for ; Sun, 28 Jan 2001 11:06:36 GMT Received: from snave.demon.co.uk ([158.152.89.120]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 14MqaD-0008F1-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 28 Jan 2001 12:05:26 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jack Evans To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 12:02:27 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Applets Message-ID: <4a43ed7293jack@snave.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id LAB29105 Status: R I find the Styles, Page and Colours applets invaluable. However, when the document they are related to is loaded, their windows come up one on top of the other in the middle of the screen. To be usable they then have to be separated and placed individually on the screen. After that it is all too easy, eg moving an opposite-pages display about, to touch Select instead of Adjust and find the applet windows have got buried. Is it possible to arrange things so that (a) on loading, applet windows are positioned where they're wanted and (b) always stay on top? I suspect the answer is NO, but if not how can it be done? Another applet question - can SWRE be used to locate where a font occurs that has crept in as an unintentional effect? On loading a particular document I get a message that Caslon is present in the text but the font cannot be found. I want to locate the occurrence and get rid of it to avoid trouble at the printing stage. Call=A0me thick, but I haven't been able to work it out from the rather brief Help notes. Regards Jack --=20 Jack Evans Bristol UK Authorised Installer RISC OS4 mailto:jack@snave.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 29 17:45:28 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA144700 for opro ; Mon, 29 Jan 101 17:45:18 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 980715128:20:12836:13; Sun, 28 Jan 2001 20:52:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2012713; 28 Jan 2001 20:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA30882 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 28 Jan 2001 19:38:57 GMT Received: from cmailg6.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg6.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.176]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA30879 for ; Sun, 28 Jan 2001 19:38:55 GMT Received: from modem-50.arien.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.124.178] helo=seador.fsnet.co.uk.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailg6.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 14MyZw-0006Va-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 28 Jan 2001 20:37:40 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Chris Dawson." To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 20:36:32 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Mail Merge Message-ID: <4a441c837echris.dawson@aaug.net> In-Reply-To: <21B2A2008F16D2118E7A00805F8BF7ECA995C9@w12wnxu01.wn.bbc.co.uk> References: <21B2A2008F16D2118E7A00805F8BF7ECA995C9@w12wnxu01.wn.bbc.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I'm Trying to set up a labels merge but I'd like it to look a certain way. Mr Joe Bloggs 25 Any Street Any Town Any County Post Code That's easy enough unless you have various lengths of address, as is almost always the case. I've set up the merge and it works fine, I strip out the blank fields but my preferred layout is lost and the Post Code appears as the last field. My setup is like this: [Merge1] [Merge2] [Merge1] [Merge4] [Merge5] [Merge6] [Merge7] [Merge8] [Merge9] [Merge10] [Merge11] [Merge99] I thought of trying to put [Merge11] (the PC) opposite each of the fields (4-9) and checking to see if the next one was blank. Does anyone have a suggestion as to how I could achieve it? Thanks -- Chris... -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 29 17:45:48 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA144704 for opro ; Mon, 29 Jan 101 17:45:46 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 980758998:20:23016:13; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 09:03:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2107098; 29 Jan 2001 9:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA00423 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 08:02:05 GMT Received: from mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (mta05-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.45]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA00420 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 08:02:03 GMT Received: from mcqueen ([62.252.166.232]) by mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with SMTP id <20010128135030.BWCN285.mta06-svc.ntlworld.com@mcqueen> for ; Sun, 28 Jan 2001 13:50:30 +0000 Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 13:50:25 +0100 From: Colin McQueen To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: No posts coming in. Message-ID: References: <144652@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <144652@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: The McQueen Family User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.07b (MsgServe/1.07d) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <144652@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > >If anyone gets this can they reply to my personal email address. > >I haven't had any posts for a few days. > > If ever you think something is wrong with the list, I'd point out > that postings are archived as they are received on the barnet ftp > site > > ftp://freenet.barnet.ac.uk/pub/Acorn/mailing-lists/ovationpro/ > Thanks I hadn't realised that. > so you can check. > > > is there a debug option that would provide you with some useful > >info on crashed. > > No. The release versions are compiled with no debug data in. > If necessary I've supplied people with recompiled ones. However > by far the best debuging data is a repeatable set of steps that > cause the problem. > As I guesssed but have you ever tried to get a 14 year old remeber what they last clicked on ;-) > >We have had several total freeze ups or repeating > >error loops recently. > > For 'freeze ups' I guess the first step is to try control+escape which > will terminate any scripts. By doing that you can probably isolate the > cause to an applet. > OK I'll do that in future, though we are sticking to a none extended version of OP at first, so I suspect our crashes are not linked to applets. > >Ovation stuck but pointer worked as did Alt-Break ti get out of it, when > >a user clicked on OK when changing page guidelines (Broadsheet > >dimnesions and 8 column format - 20 others had no problem, I had no > >problem on same machine with OVPro loaded seconds later. > > And of course (Mr. Turings famous halting problem), sometimes it will just > take a long time for OPro to do what you ask it to. > > Updating the document after a change of master page is a common example. I'm used to waiting like. This last one was a definite halt in OP. Changing guideline eactly as this was being carried out by 20 others all following the same worksheet. Now this suggests to me that this child had done something different or his computer had something different in memory or there was ahardware fault at that precise moment. Anyway I will endeavour to log every crash I see but as I've said, 14 yr olds are awful for getting recall out of. They tend to click in 50 places at once ... > > > David Pilling > -- Colin McQueen : Using an Acorn StrongARM Risc PC Web Domain : http://www.mcqueen.uk.net/ BSc Zoology + Oceanography : PGCE : MSc in CBL/T -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 29 17:45:56 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA144705 for opro ; Mon, 29 Jan 101 17:45:50 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 980773950:20:23589:14; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 13:12:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2102524; 29 Jan 2001 13:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA01215 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 12:09:42 GMT Received: from mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.worldonline.com (mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.worldonline.com [212.74.112.71]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA01211 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 12:09:40 GMT Received: from ppp-5-188.5800-6.access.uk.worldonline.com ([62.64.157.188] helo=thosechurchills.screaming.net) by mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.worldonline.com with smtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 14NE2X-0004ng-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 13:08:20 +0000 Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 08:09:56 GMT From: M P Churchill To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Mail Merge Message-ID: <1cff5b444a.mpc@thosechurchills.screaming.net> References: <21B2A2008F16D2118E7A00805F8BF7ECA995C9@w12wnxu01.wn.bbc.co.uk> <4a441c837echris.dawson@aaug.net> In-Reply-To: <4a441c837echris.dawson@aaug.net> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <4a441c837echris.dawson@aaug.net> you wrote: > > I'm Trying to set up a labels merge but I'd like it to look a certain way. > > Mr Joe Bloggs > 25 Any Street > Any Town > Any County Post Code > > > That's easy enough unless you have various lengths of address, as is > almost always the case. > > I've set up the merge and it works fine, I strip out the blank fields but > my preferred layout is lost and the Post Code appears as the last field. > > My setup is like this: > > > [Merge1] [Merge2] [Merge1] > [Merge4] > [Merge5] > [Merge6] > [Merge7] > [Merge8] > [Merge9] > [Merge10] [Merge11] > [Merge99] > > I thought of trying to put [Merge11] (the PC) opposite each of the fields > (4-9) and checking to see if the next one was blank. > > Does anyone have a suggestion as to how I could achieve it? > > > Thanks > You could re-arrange your CSV file so that the order of the address fields is reversed. Your setup would then be: [Merge1] [Merge2] [Merge3] [Merge11] [Merge10] [Merge9] [Merge8] [Merge7] [Merge6] [Merge5] [Merge4] However, assuming that you are using this for addressing of envelopes, I thought that the PO preferred the postcode as the final line on its own and that the county was a waste of space as far as they are concerned. (There's been quite a bit on this discussed in this group recently, hasn't there?) BTW, how do you "strip out the blank fields"? -- Malcolm -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 29 17:45:59 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA144706 for opro ; Mon, 29 Jan 101 17:45:58 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 980779302:20:06470:13; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 14:41:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2006363; 29 Jan 2001 14:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA01623 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 13:37:02 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA01620 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 13:37:00 GMT Received: from usereu65.uk.uudial.com (oramj.argonet.co.uk) [62.188.17.149] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 14NFPJ-00013g-00; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 14:35:49 +0000 Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 12:59:05 +0000 (GMT) From: "John E.D. Oram" Subject: Re: No posts coming in. To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <648c15434a.cmcqueen@cmcqueen.ntlworld.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: John Oram, Sheffield, + 44 0114 2663910 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > If anyone gets this can they reply to my personal email address. Hi Colin Just a quickie to let you know your e-mail to David at OP arrived in my mail safely (I am using Argonet and Marcel). Hope that is of some use. Best wishes John -- John Oram, John Oram & Associates - Psychotherapy Centre, 13 Rustlings Rd, Sheffield, S.Yorks, England. S11 7AA + 44 0114 2663910 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 30 14:42:05 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA144775 for opro ; Tue, 30 Jan 101 14:42:04 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 980824216:10:07814:16; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 03:10:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1007437; 30 Jan 2001 3:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA03836 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 02:07:49 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA03833 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 02:07:47 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14NR7s-0005Jo-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 03:06:36 +0000 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 02:25:33 GMT Message-Id: <144763@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Mail Merge X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R >I'm Trying to set up a labels merge but I'd like it to look a certain way. Funnily enough exactly this problem has been discussed here in the last couple of weeks. Since the archive for this month won't appear for a couple of days, I'd suggest you look at the ftp archive ftp://freenet.barnet.ac.uk/pub/Acorn/mailing-lists/ovationpro/ >BTW, how do you "strip out the blank fields"? See the advanced mail merge doc on the web site or the mail merge examples in the CD manual. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 30 14:42:10 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA144777 for opro ; Tue, 30 Jan 101 14:42:07 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 980824358:10:15955:13; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 03:12:38 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1126341; 30 Jan 2001 3:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA03841 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 02:07:52 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA03838 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 02:07:50 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14NR7v-0005Jo-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 03:06:39 +0000 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 02:30:03 GMT Message-Id: <144765@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Applets X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Is it possible to arrange things so that (a) on loading, applet windows >are positioned where they're wanted and (b) always stay on top? I suspect >the answer is NO, but if not how can it be done? I would guess the positioning can be tackled by editing the position in the template file inside the applet (use a template editor) and clearing this flag at the start of the !ColPal.Library.ColPal file int colpal_centre = 1; (i.e. change 1 to 0). The always on top bit would probably mean some programming work on the applet. This is such a common request, makes me think it was a mistake to not make things easier. >Another applet question - can SWRE be used to locate where a font occurs >that has crept in as an unintentional effect? On loading a particular >document I get a message that Caslon is present in the text but the font >cannot be found. I want to locate the occurrence and get rid of it to >avoid trouble at the printing stage. Call=A0me thick, but I haven't been >able to work it out from the rather brief Help notes. I don't know. I'd comment that OPro does sometimes give erroneous messages along these lines. One check is to save the document as DDL and see if the font is actually used (you should see it defined at the start of the document, what you're looking for is a later use of its id). OPro 2.60 will as usual offer you the chance to permanently replace a missing font on loading a document, if you agree it will get rid of all references forever. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 30 18:11:49 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA144802 for opro ; Tue, 30 Jan 101 18:11:48 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 980870268:10:27269:25; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 15:57:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1027069; 30 Jan 2001 15:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA06129 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 14:54:47 GMT Received: from pegasus.mail.eclipse.net.uk (pegasus.mail.eclipse.net.uk [212.104.129.225]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA05442 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 11:21:04 GMT Received: from StonarWeb (unknown [212.104.135.17]) by pegasus.mail.eclipse.net.uk (Postfix) with SMTP id DBD5E4FA0A for ; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 12:20:00 +0000 (GMT) Received: from 1.0.128.252 by StonarWeb with SMTP (Navaho School Server v2.5.41 [Linux/i586]); Tue, 30 Jan 2001 12:19:20 GMT Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 12:19:11 +0000 (GMT) From: Martin Devon Subject: save story as RTF To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Stonar School, Melksham, UK. +44 (0) 1225 702309 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.42] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R This seems to have gone quiet. Trouble is, I sense a crisis blowing up here and 'save story as RTF' would solve 99% of all problems. I really do not want to confuse the issue with EW. Is there any news? -- Martin Devon Stonar School -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 30 18:42:02 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA144815 for opro ; Tue, 30 Jan 101 18:41:59 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 980878444:10:07997:14; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 18:14:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1113159; 30 Jan 2001 18:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA06711 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 17:12:21 GMT Received: from cmailg5.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg5.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.175]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA06708 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 17:12:19 GMT Received: from modem-168.connecticut.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.58.168] helo=seador.fsnet.co.uk.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailg5.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 14NfFC-00052H-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 18:11:07 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Chris Dawson." To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 18:10:18 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Mail Merge Message-ID: <4a4516cbf9chris.dawson@aaug.net> In-Reply-To: <144763@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <144763@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 30 Jan, David Pilling wrote: > >I'm Trying to set up a labels merge but I'd like it to look a certain > >way. > Funnily enough exactly this problem has been discussed here in the last > couple of weeks. > Since the archive for this month won't appear for a couple of days, I'd > suggest you look at the ftp archive > ftp://freenet.barnet.ac.uk/pub/Acorn/mailing-lists/ovationpro/ [Snipped this bit out] Thanks David. -- Chris... -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 30 23:05:14 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA144818 for opro ; Tue, 30 Jan 101 23:05:12 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 980880596:20:10391:14; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 18:49:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2128564; 30 Jan 2001 18:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA06867 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 17:49:00 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA06864 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 17:48:59 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14Nfoi-0007wr-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 18:47:48 +0000 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 18:36:52 GMT Message-Id: <144813@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: save story as RTF X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Well 2.62 has the necessary hooks for people to write their own exporter modules. I think David Breakwell was working on an RTF exporter - but in fairness to him, he's only a volunteer here so can't be expected to meet deadlines. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 31 02:59:36 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA144841 for opro ; Wed, 31 Jan 101 02:59:32 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 980906122:10:23073:13; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 01:55:22 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1023030; 31 Jan 2001 1:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA08121 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 00:41:24 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA06947 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 17:58:31 GMT Received: from userfr46.uk.uudial.com (62.188.26.121) [62.188.26.121] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 14Nfsv-0001b6-00; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 18:52:09 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Mijas Software) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 07:45:55 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.24 for RISC OS 4.02 Subject: Re: save story as RTF Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=_avq9UBwlHCanC4921i0vjBcVjUQLRYO5jBtyoWVgll7tjxKVKPNtzDPPcSlR_ Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro --_avq9UBwlHCanC4921i0vjBcVjUQLRYO5jBtyoWVgll7tjxKVKPNtzDPPcSlR_ Content-Type: text/plain Martin Here it is as far as I have currently been able to go. The rtf output produced works best with Ovation or PC software such as Word. With Techwriter it tends to produce double line spacing - this is because of differences in the rtf interpreters. It will only produce one page worth of rtf at a time - but it will produce a directory of many rtf files from a directory of drawfiles as produced by Riscript. If your documents are in landsape format the latest Riscript will produce correctly oriented Draw files. Earlier versions produced drawfiles which needed to be rotated by 90degrees before this software would accept them. If this is any help you are welcome to use it. Please let me know how you get on. Regards John <1MB attachment detached> (its a program for converting Draw files to RTF, maybe it could go on a web site, but John may want to make it commercial) -- ___ _ __ ___________________________________________ |\/| | | |_| (_ / Scientific/Education/Utilities - RISC OS 4 | | | _| | | __) Software / email: mijassw@argonet.co.uk - Developer ____________________________/ web: http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/mijassw/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 31 14:07:45 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA144847 for opro ; Wed, 31 Jan 101 14:07:42 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 980936593:20:21350:14; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 10:23:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2021167; 31 Jan 2001 10:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA09684 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 09:15:17 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA09681 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 09:15:14 GMT Received: from userfr98.uk.uudial.com (62.188.26.173) [62.188.26.173] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 14NuH4-00000O-00; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 10:14:02 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Mijas Software) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 22:29:26 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.24 for RISC OS 4.02 Subject: Re: save story as RTF - an apology Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro To all concerned First my sincere apologies in sending a general message to this list which was intended for a single member. Thankfully the attachment was not passed on by the list manager or there would have been a number of people chasing me for telephone time etc.! However the beta software mentioned in the item you received is available FOC for anyone who would like to try it. Please e-mail me. It will produce rtf text files from any software which !Riscript can convert to Draw file format - the only proviso being that the text in the drawfile has not been converted to outline format. Simple formatting is retained. John -- ___ _ __ ___________________________________________ |\/| | | |_| (_ / Scientific/Education/Utilities - RISC OS 4 | | | _| | | __) Software / email: mijassw@argonet.co.uk - Developer ____________________________/ web: http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/mijassw/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 31 14:07:59 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA144854 for opro ; Wed, 31 Jan 101 14:07:58 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 980947432:10:04466:16; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 13:23:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1004318; 31 Jan 2001 13:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA10338 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 12:22:50 GMT Received: from smtp02.fields.gol.com (smtp02.fields.gol.com [203.216.5.132]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA10335 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 12:22:46 GMT Received: from tc-1-1-146.shinjuku.gol.ne.jp ([203.216.8.146] helo=plattir.gol.com) by smtp02.fields.gol.com with smtp (Magnetic Fields) id 14NxCY-0002ld-00 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 22:21:34 +0900 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 22:22:30 +0000 (GMT) From: "Ian R. Platt" Subject: Re: save story as RTF - an apology To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] X-Abuse-Complaints: abuse@gol.com Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Tue 30 Jan, Mijas Software wrote: > To all concerned > > First my sincere apologies in sending a general message to this list which was > intended for a single member. Thankfully the attachment was not passed on by > the list manager or there would have been a number of people chasing me for > telephone time etc.! > > However the beta software mentioned in the item you received is available FOC > for anyone who would like to try it. Please e-mail me. > > It will produce rtf text files from any software which !Riscript can convert > to Draw file format - the only proviso being that the text in the > drawfile has not been converted to outline format. Simple formatting is > retained. > Yes please. I'd like a copy. Ian P. -- Ian Platt email: plattir@gol.com StrongArm and Risc OS 4 - UK technology. Continuing to think differently! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 31 19:17:39 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA144891 for opro ; Wed, 31 Jan 101 19:17:37 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 980966185:10:06115:23; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 18:36:25 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1005271; 31 Jan 2001 18:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA11426 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 17:33:38 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA09229 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 06:22:17 GMT Received: from userao90.uk.uudial.com (62.188.135.206) [62.188.135.206] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 14NHrR-0005UT-00; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 17:13:02 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Mr. D.M. Wells) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 17:02:59 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.24 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Re: Mail Merge Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sun 28 Jan 2001 (19:40:37), owner-ovationpro-digest@lists.barnet.ac.uk wrote: > From: "Chris Dawson." > Subject: Mail Merge > > I'm Trying to set up a labels merge but I'd like it to look a certain > way. > > Mr Joe Bloggs > 25 Any Street > Any Town > Any County Post Code > > > That's easy enough unless you have various lengths of address, as is > almost always the case. > > I've set up the merge and it works fine, I strip out the blank fields > but > my preferred layout is lost and the Post Code appears as the last > field. > DP helped me solve this one a few weeks ago: the key lies in the complex macros used for the fields which may or may not be blank. [I don't in fact use the setup at present, as Post Office *prefers* postcode on a separate line!] I'm happy to send my label setup file (OPro) as attachment offlist to anyone interested: this could be adapted for individual needs. I've set it up for 3 address lines plus town plus (county + postcode): in practice more address lines are possible only by using very small font size -- Post Office prefer 12 point, and with this size only six lines are possible on standard labels. One thing I've found is that [merge99] doesn't need to be visible in the frame to call the next record, which makes it easier to get six 12-point lines with good spacing. Denys Wells -- [email from dwells@argonet.co.uk (Denys Wells)] -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 31 19:17:44 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA144893 for opro ; Wed, 31 Jan 101 19:17:42 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 980966230:10:09070:13; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 18:37:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1126817; 31 Jan 2001 18:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA11431 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 17:33:41 GMT Received: from smtp04.wxs.nl (smtp04.wxs.nl [195.121.6.59]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA09860 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 09:39:50 GMT Received: from tenu.tref.nl ([195.121.193.218]) by smtp04.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 4.05) with SMTP id G80W8A00.598 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 11:38:34 +0100 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 11:36:38 +0000 (GMT) From: Tekst & Uitleg Subject: duotones To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Tekst & Uitleg, Nederland X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hello, I believe this theme has been discussed before, but I can't find the answer on our question. Problably there is no answer. I try again: We are going to produce a magazine in two (spot)colours with quit a lot of artwork. We make the two (new) spotcolours in Ovation Pro, give them the same names in Artworks and import them in our documents. No problem. Now we want to have a picture in duotone with starts with a valua, a mix, of the two spotcolours and ends in white (or ends in a mix or in one or two spotcolours). Normally we would build up our documents in say black and magenta, representing the spotcolours. As well in Artworks as in Ovation Pro these colours can be mixed. But we want to have a representative view of the document from our colourprinter. Can it be done, or would it be something to build in the programm or in an applet? Arnold -- Tekst & Uitleg Schaijk / Tel. 0486 463112 / Fax 0486 463537 Kabelkrant Kubus / Tel. 0486 463553 Runstraat 27b Schaijk / Zie ook: http://www.uitleg.nl Dienblad http://www.dienblad.nl / Landerd op: http://www.landerd.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 31 22:38:56 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA144928 for opro ; Wed, 31 Jan 101 22:38:52 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 980976320:10:06705:14; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 21:25:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1128905; 31 Jan 2001 21:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA12085 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 20:24:02 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA12082 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 20:24:00 GMT Received: from userfr78.uk.uudial.com (62.188.26.153) [62.188.26.153] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 14O4iH-0002AL-00; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 21:22:50 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: David Breakwell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 21:13:19 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: save story as RTF Message-ID: <4a45ab638fdavidb@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <144813@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <144813@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <144813@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > Well 2.62 has the necessary hooks for people to write their own > exporter modules. > I think David Breakwell was working on an RTF exporter - but in fairness > to him, he's only a volunteer here so can't be expected to meet > deadlines. Things have been delayed because I've been working to link my Xmas present (to myself) a Handspring Visor to my Risc PC - it seemed more interesting than an RTF converter at the time. My current (development) version has the following features: * Integrates with Ovation Pro (version 2.62) * Handles the following OP features * Styles (paragrraph and local) * Most Local Effects * Fonts * Colours * Alignment * New Paragraphs The major gaps at present are font sizes and tabs/margins. Due to the obvious interest in this I've decided to focus on getting a Beta release out (I've got a little more time) as I really need some people testing it. I'll post again very soon. David Breakwell -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | davidb@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message