From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 3 16:50:36 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA142831 for opro ; Wed, 03 Jan 101 16:50:34 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 978308859:20:15881:13; Mon, 01 Jan 2001 00:27:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2015360; 1 Jan 2001 0:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA08227 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 31 Dec 2000 23:20:05 GMT Received: from dnscache.adl.au.asiaonline.net (dnscache.adl.au.asiaonline.net [210.215.24.100]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA08214 for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2000 23:20:00 GMT Received: from pprewett.dove.net.au (as1-50.adl.au.asiaonline.net [210.215.25.50]) by dnscache.adl.au.asiaonline.net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id f010FbG08236 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 2001 11:15:38 +1100 (EST) Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 14:16:56 +1030 (GMT) From: Peter Prewett Subject: Changing pages To: Ovation Pro Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I have a need to change a 15 Mb document (imported from Impression) to landscape and rotate the contents. I have changed the master page from A4 to landscape but I cannot see the RHS of the document as the window scroll bars does not move far enough to the to show the whole document. Actually what I was attempting to do was to take a snapshot of the whole page, rotating the contents as one cannot see an A4 at full size on a monitor, and then use Paint to grab the image. Or is there a better way of doing it? To group the frames I had to select each and then group to rotate, as I found by selecting all, group is blocked out. Having selected a group and attempting to copy it across onto a new document failed as it reported not enough memory. I do have 48M of RAM. Cheers Peter -- Peter Prewett, Coromandel Valley, South Australia -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 3 16:50:56 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA142840 for opro ; Wed, 03 Jan 101 16:50:54 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 978436941:10:27826:16; Tue, 02 Jan 2001 12:02:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1027053; 2 Jan 2001 12:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA13535 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 10:52:46 GMT Received: from mail2.svr.pol.co.uk (mail2.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.210]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA13532 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 10:52:43 GMT Received: from modem-102.kurchatovium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.72.102] helo=beeston12) by mail2.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 14DPyR-0002Vn-00; Tue, 02 Jan 2001 11:51:27 +0000 Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 11:50:38 +0000 From: Robin Phillips To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Cc: ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk, rmking@ukgateway.net, alan.admams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk Subject: Re: Text flow and Default master page Message-ID: <99a188364a%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <139098@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: home X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m User-Agent: POPstar/2.02 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Dear colleagues, Way back in mid-November you all helped me with a problem over setting text flow from one frame to the next in such a way that when the last frame wasf ull it would flow on to yet another frame, as explained below by D Pilling: In message <139098@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > >What procedure do I follow to make the document with 3 frames carry on to > >further pages? > > Open the master pages, draw your three frames, link them, then link the last > to the first. You'll be asked if you want to create an 'autolinked chain'. > Select Yes. Close the master pages, and you'll find your three frames, and > when the last one fills a new page will be added. > > Although pages have one (or no) default master frame (aka principle frame), > you can set up any number of auto linked chains on the master page which > wlll behave in the same way. I now need your help on a similar problem. I have again 3 frames set on a sideways master-page. This time each is 79mm tall and 190 wide. I am trying to produce a leaflet to be printed on A4 and then folded twice parallel to the vertical edge, forming a 3-page tall folder. I have set the frames on the default master-page, linked 1 to 2, 2 to 3, and 3 to 1, at which point I am asked to confirm that I want an auto-link. I reply Yes. So far, the same as the previous query. But this time, when I start filling up the 3rd page and it reaches the foot, it produces the text overflow sign instead of producing a 4th page. What have I done wrong? Incidentally, when your replies last time mentioned Auto-link I looked it up in the printed 1886 manual. The index gave a reference to p.92, and on that page I can find nothing about it! Yes, I know I should ge getting the latest release of OPro, and I probably will shortly. I also know that Mr van Vredenbusch has been doing marvellous things with the manual. Perhaps his manual can answer this one? Yours sincerely, Robin. -- Robin Phillips, 1, Newcastle Avenue, Beeston, Notts., NG9 1BT; Phone: +44 (0)115 922 4930 E-mail: rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 3 16:50:57 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA142839 for opro ; Wed, 03 Jan 101 16:50:52 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 978343592:20:15681:13; Mon, 01 Jan 2001 10:06:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2124149; 1 Jan 2001 10:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA09788 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 1 Jan 2001 09:03:51 GMT Received: from rly-ip01.mx.aol.com (rly-ip01.mx.aol.com [205.188.156.49]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA09785 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 2001 09:03:48 GMT Received: from tot-tg1-th.proxy.aol.com (tot-tg1-th.proxy.aol.com [152.163.213.3]) by rly-ip01.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/AOL-5.0.0) with ESMTP id FAA23640 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 2001 05:02:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave (AC9233C0.ipt.aol.com [172.146.51.192]) by tot-tg1-th.proxy.aol.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f01A2R404102 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 2001 05:02:28 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <002301c073d9$e3bd37e0$e52a7d3e@dave> From: "Dave" To: References: Subject: Re: Changing pages Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 10:02:00 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Apparently-From: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > Actually what I was attempting to do was to take a snapshot of the whole > page, rotating the contents as one cannot see an A4 at full size on a > monitor, and then use Paint to grab the image. > > Or is there a better way of doing it? > The best way would be to print to a sprite using David Pilling's Sprinter application which I think you'll find on his web site. Dave -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 3 16:51:07 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA142846 for opro ; Wed, 03 Jan 101 16:51:05 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 978451252:10:05304:16; Tue, 02 Jan 2001 16:00:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1005033; 2 Jan 2001 16:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA14388 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 14:50:20 GMT Received: from typhoon.mail.pipex.net (typhoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA14385 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 14:50:17 GMT Received: (qmail 626 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2001 15:48:50 -0000 Received: from userac77.uk.uudial.com (HELO gtwywc97@ukgateway.net) (62.188.131.21) by smtp-2.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2001 15:48:50 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 13:57:21 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Text flow and Default master page Message-ID: <4a369438f1rayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <99a188364a%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> References: <139098@pilling.demon.co.uk> <99a188364a%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Robin Phillips wrote: > But this time, when I start filling up the 3rd page and it reaches the > foot, it produces the text overflow sign instead of producing a 4th > page. What have I done wrong? You need to link the frame which corresponds to the 3rd page back to the 1st page frame. Select the link icon and then select click in the 3rd frame and drag back to the 1st. > Incidentally, when your replies last time mentioned Auto-link I looked > it up in the printed 1886 manual. The index gave a reference to p.92, ^^^^ > and on that page I can find nothing about it! That's even older than my manual :-) Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 020 8864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 3 16:51:47 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA142866 for opro ; Wed, 03 Jan 101 16:51:46 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 978442872:20:04384:19; Tue, 02 Jan 2001 13:41:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2003581; 2 Jan 2001 13:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA13900 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 12:36:01 GMT Received: from norwegia.access.ch (mail.access.ch [195.112.71.134]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA13897 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 12:35:56 GMT Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (megapop9-32.access.ch [212.161.130.160]) by norwegia.access.ch (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA32199 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 14:34:38 +0100 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 13:01:36 +0100 (GMT) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: !Speech To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <4a33732d1erayd@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: tevens Secretariaat Stichting Van Vredenburch X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Greetings and a Happy new Year to you all. On Wed 27 Dec, Ray Dawson wrote: > John P. Kerslake wrote: > > I have OP2.60 But no speek etc. How do i go about > > installing it? > > Buy it from Jon Duddington - jsd@argonet.co.uk > > About 24 quid. John Duddington's !Speak program must have been seen (must be loaded with older versions) before loading OvPro. And OvPro does need the !Speech applet (written by Beebug) active in the applets directory. The Help file in this applet gives some useful information. Just checked it with my version having the speak module 2.14. No problems. JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch tel +41 41 3706125 | RiscPC (ex-Acorn) Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) .. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 3 16:51:57 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA142868 for opro ; Wed, 03 Jan 101 16:51:55 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 978509327:10:20965:16; Wed, 03 Jan 2001 08:08:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1020565; 3 Jan 2001 8:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA17203 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 07:04:10 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA17200 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 07:04:07 GMT Received: from userev07.uk.uudial.com (62.188.17.190) [62.188.17.190] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 14Disl-000750-00; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 08:02:52 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 18:34:57 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: !Speech Message-ID: <4a36ada5b1steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a369d05fasbellon@sbellon.de> References: <4a2f972b9bcolin.wood@argonet.co.uk> <4a307abde6frank@aaug.net> <4a30d1d77asteve@cobbles-end.co.uk> <4a30e42eb2Ian. User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4a369d05fasbellon@sbellon.de>, Stefan Bellon wrote: > I've mailed Jonathan two weeks ago about an upgrade from the Pluto with > Speak support to the full Speak. I've not received any answer since > then. Two things to note Stefan 1. It's been a Christmas New Year holiday - so the mail would be slow and Jonathan might well be taking a holiday elsewhere. 2. There was a postal strike here in Coventry, some mail I was expecting before Christmas only arrived on the 29th. Try e-mailing him. jsd@argonet.co.uk As a last resort there's always the telephone (I'm not sure whether he's listed in the directory, although I do have it) > Does anybody know whether Jonathan is still developing Pluto and Speak > or whether he has left the RISC OS scene? > Greetings and a Happy New Year, > Stefan. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 3 16:52:00 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA142870 for opro ; Wed, 03 Jan 101 16:51:58 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 978450214:20:09483:15; Tue, 02 Jan 2001 15:43:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2124550; 2 Jan 2001 15:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA14316 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 14:36:57 GMT Received: from mailout00.sul.t-online.com (mailout00.sul.t-online.com [194.25.134.16]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA14313 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 14:36:52 GMT Received: from fwd01.sul.t-online.com by mailout00.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 14DTTJ-0001CK-00; Tue, 02 Jan 2001 16:35:33 +0100 Received: from veni (520042741018-0001@[62.226.253.157]) by fmrl01.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 14DTT7-24nlJpC; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 16:35:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Bellon To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 16:33:22 +0100 Subject: Re: !Speech Message-ID: <4a369d05fasbellon@sbellon.de> In-Reply-To: <4a33732d1erayd@argonet.co.uk> References: <4a2f972b9bcolin.wood@argonet.co.uk> <4a307abde6frank@aaug.net> <4a30d1d77asteve@cobbles-end.co.uk> <4a30e42eb2Ian. User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain X-Sender: 520042741018-0001@t-dialin.net Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4a33732d1erayd@argonet.co.uk>, Ray Dawson wrote: > John P. Kerslake wrote: > > I have OP2.60 But no speek etc. How do i go about > > installing it? > Buy it from Jon Duddington - jsd@argonet.co.uk > About 24 quid. I've mailed Jonathan two weeks ago about an upgrade from the Pluto with Speak support to the full Speak. I've not received any answer since then. Does anybody know whether Jonathan is still developing Pluto and Speak or whether he has left the RISC OS scene? Greetings and a Happy New Year, Stefan. -- Stefan Bellon * * tagline in beta - full release to follow. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 3 16:52:11 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA142874 for opro ; Wed, 03 Jan 101 16:52:07 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 978526183:10:20744:19; Wed, 03 Jan 2001 12:49:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1020183; 3 Jan 2001 12:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA18166 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 11:34:12 GMT Received: from mailout05.sul.t-online.com (mailout05.sul.t-online.com [194.25.134.82]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA18163 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 11:33:48 GMT Received: from fwd03.sul.t-online.com by mailout05.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 14Dn5g-0002ST-03; Wed, 03 Jan 2001 13:32:28 +0100 Received: from veni (520042741018-0001@[62.227.38.142]) by fmrl03.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 14Dn5d-0TIo88C; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 13:32:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Bellon To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 12:32:04 +0100 Subject: Re: !Speech Message-ID: <4a370ac4a4sbellon@sbellon.de> In-Reply-To: <4a36ada5b1steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> References: <4a2f972b9bcolin.wood@argonet.co.uk> <4a307abde6frank@aaug.net> <4a30d1d77asteve@cobbles-end.co.uk> <4a30e42eb2Ian. User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain X-Sender: 520042741018-0001@t-dialin.net Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4a36ada5b1steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk>, Steven Pampling wrote: > In article <4a369d05fasbellon@sbellon.de>, > Stefan Bellon wrote: > > I've mailed Jonathan two weeks ago about an upgrade from the Pluto > > with Speak support to the full Speak. I've not received any answer > > since then. > Two things to note Stefan First I should note that with the word "mailed" I intended to express "emailed". I thought those two are synonyms today and that you have to say "postal mail" or "snail mail" if you want to express the "old way". Sorry, but as I'm no native English speaker I may have used it wrongly. > 1. It's been a Christmas New Year holiday - so the mail would be slow > and Jonathan might well be taking a holiday elsewhere. Ok, he might be taking holiday, that's a good point. But from former times I'm used to get a very fast response by him, so I wondered whether he's continueing it at all. But, of course, you might be right, he's just taking a holiday. > 2. There was a postal strike here in Coventry, some mail I was > expecting before Christmas only arrived on the 29th. That was due to the misunderstanding of the word "mail". > Try e-mailing him. jsd@argonet.co.uk That's exactly what I did. :-) > As a last resort there's always the telephone (I'm not sure whether > he's listed in the directory, although I do have it) Yes, the telephone number is in the proginfo window of Pluto. But as I'm not a native English speaker and I'm not sure whether I'll understand him and whether I can express myself when speaking, I prefer the written method. I hope you understand. Thanks a lot for your help though. Greetings, Stefan. -- Stefan Bellon * * 100% of people born in 1839, who ate carrots, are dead. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 3 16:52:42 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA142885 for opro ; Wed, 03 Jan 101 16:52:40 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 978470785:20:09691:13; Tue, 02 Jan 2001 21:26:25 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2127502; 2 Jan 2001 21:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA15342 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 20:19:12 GMT Received: from norwegia.access.ch (mail.access.ch [195.112.71.134]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA15339 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 20:19:07 GMT Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (megapop2-2.access.ch [212.161.128.66]) by norwegia.access.ch (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA13490 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 22:17:50 +0100 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 15:37:11 +0100 (GMT) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: Changing pages To: Ovation Pro In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: tevens Secretariaat Stichting Van Vredenburch X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 29 Dec, Peter Prewett wrote: > I have a need to change a 15 Mb document (imported from Impression) to > landscape and rotate the contents. Could you explain why you want to do this? Maybe I can then understand what you want to do (printing A4 pages sideways on an A3 printer??) > I have changed the master page from A4 to landscape but I cannot see the > RHS of the document as the window scroll bars does not move far enough > to the to show the whole document. Did you close the Master page after changing to A4? > Actually what I was attempting to do was to take a snapshot of the whole > page, rotating the contents as one cannot see an A4 at full size on a > monitor, and then use Paint to grab the image. Proceeding in this way you definitely lose the high resolution of the OvPro output. Therefore my 1st question above. > Or is there a better way of doing it? I believe there is. Can you sent me *privately* one page (or 2 depending on the answer to my question) in A4 format. I'll see what I can do. > To group the frames I had to select each and then group to rotate, as > I found by selecting all, group is blocked out. ......... Probably because you did not de-select the main frame in the document window. This main frame -originating from the master page- cannot be grouped with any added frames in the document window. > .......... Having selected a group > and attempting to copy it across onto a new document failed as it > reported not enough memory. I do have 48M of RAM. It could be that the size of the 2 documents is more than 48M. Instead of copying you could try moving. You can check the size of a picture by selecting it and hitting key F1. Greetings, JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch tel +41 41 3706125 | RiscPC (ex-Acorn) Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) .. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 3 16:52:47 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA142887 for opro ; Wed, 03 Jan 101 16:52:46 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 978481106:20:25980:15; Wed, 03 Jan 2001 00:18:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2103803; 3 Jan 2001 0:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA15778 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 22:57:21 GMT Received: from kx1-gui.server.which.net (kx1-gui.server.which.net [194.168.97.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA15775 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 22:57:16 GMT Received: from waddell.which.net ([194.168.101.202]) by kx1-gui.server.which.net (InterMail vK.4.02.00.10 201-232-116-110 license e70b2acfbd69d84cc925654164bd8fad) with SMTP id <20010102235557.VALI20996.kx1-gui@waddell.which.net> for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 23:55:57 +0000 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 23:41:36 +0000 (GMT) From: John Waddell Subject: Re: Text flow and Default master page To: Ovation mail list In-Reply-To: <99a188364a%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 02 Jan, Robin Phillips wrote: > Dear colleagues, > > Way back in mid-November you all helped me with a problem over setting text > flow from one frame to the next in such a way that when the last frame wasf > ull it would flow on to yet another frame, as explained below by D Pilling: >snip< > I now need your help on a similar problem. I have again 3 frames set on a > sideways master-page. This time each is 79mm tall and 190 wide. I am trying > to produce a leaflet to be printed on A4 and then folded twice parallel to > the vertical edge, forming a 3-page tall folder. I have set the frames on > the default master-page, linked 1 to 2, 2 to 3, and 3 to 1, at which point I > am asked to confirm that I want an auto-link. I reply Yes. So far, the same > as the previous query. I have used this layout regularly but my links lie in a different order. You have to think through what the document will look like when folded and it will also depend on whether you have a duplex printer. If, like me, you print one side and then turn over the page to refeed it through the printer, you would best have a two page document without any auto-link at all. Things get really complicated if you try this configuration over more than one sheet of paper ! Let's call page 1 the outside face of the document (with frames 1, 2 and 3) and page 2 the inside face of the document (with frames 4, 5 and 6). Once you fold the page the face showing will actually be a third of the outside page and when you open this to read the leaflet, the bit you see next will be another third of the outside face. So you need links from 3 to 4, 4 to 5, 5 to 6, 6 to 1 and 1 to 2. Hope this is clear! > > But this time, when I start filling up the 3rd page and it reaches the foot, > it produces the text overflow sign instead of producing a 4th page. What > have I done wrong? If you mean 3rd frame and overflow into 4th frame, it works OK for me on V.2.60. Cannot remember what happened in the pre-upgrade versions. > Incidentally, when your replies last time mentioned Auto-link I looked it up > in the printed 1886 (we'll let you off with this one!) manual. The index gave a reference to p.92, and on that > page I can find nothing about it! > Look up "frames, linking" in the old manual .. .. .. takes you to page 90. Page 92 in the new manual is the beginning of the chapter to do with frame drawing. I strongly recommend you upgrade to V.2.60 - well worth it! > Yes, I know I should ge getting the latest release of OPro, and I probably > will shortly. I also know that Mr van Vredenbusch has been doing marvellous > things with the manual. Perhaps his manual can answer this one? > > Yours sincerely, Robin. > Hope this makes sense and helps! -- John Waddell, Langbank, Renfrewshire -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 3 16:53:03 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA142891 for opro ; Wed, 03 Jan 101 16:52:58 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 978512899:20:11524:13; Wed, 03 Jan 2001 09:08:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2128780; 3 Jan 2001 9:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA17436 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 08:01:14 GMT Received: from mserv1e.vianw.co.uk (mserv1e.vianw.co.uk [195.102.240.97]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA17432 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 08:01:11 GMT Received: from [194.119.179.59] (helo=Caslon.english.co.uk) by mserv1e.vianw.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.10 #37) id 14Djlv-0000Zw-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 08:59:51 +0000 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Wed, 03 Jan 2001 08:56:00 +0000 Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 08:56:45 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: More questions about DDL files Message-ID: <5d8cfc364a%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <142567@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Jeremy C B Nicoll wrote: opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > >Is there an applet anywhere that will list all the defined styles (within > >a certain document) and their features? > > Menu over the styles pane in the Edit style window. > - a very useful facility, but limited in that it only gives the first part of a font name, assuming that bold & italic effects will complete the specification. An unfortunate WP type feature - serious typographers need to see the full font name to know the weight: e.g. Gill.Sans.Book vs Gill.Sans.Light. The OvPro style spec which will in these cases just show 'Gill'. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 3 16:53:08 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA142894 for opro ; Wed, 03 Jan 101 16:53:07 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 978520092:20:20011:13; Wed, 03 Jan 2001 11:08:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2112005; 3 Jan 2001 11:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA17841 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 10:00:23 GMT Received: from mail1.hw.ac.uk (mail1.hw.ac.uk [137.195.170.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA17837 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 10:00:19 GMT Received: from [137.195.101.212] (helo=mail-r2.hw.ac.uk ident=exim) by mail1.hw.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 14DldG-0005mN-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 10:59:02 +0000 Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.32.15]) by mail-r2.hw.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 14DldG-00080m-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 03 Jan 2001 10:59:02 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 10:41:44 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: CD labels Message-ID: <4a370628fbC.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: References: , Steve Ellacott wrote: > On Thu 28 Dec, Steve Ellacott wrote: > > Hello all > > > > Has anyone produced stationary for CD labelers? I see there is a > > single CD label on the OvPro CD but I can't find anything else. > > > Oh dear, replying to my own posting :-{ > I have just found CDBox/zip on the web site. It only seems to do > half a sheet though. > http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/templates.html > Steve I have produced templates for the "Pressit" labeller. They are only on my home machine, so I will tidy them up tonight and put them on the site. Chris... -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) mailto: Chris@bulldog.u-net.com (at home) ovpro web site http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 3 16:53:25 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA142900 for opro ; Wed, 03 Jan 101 16:53:23 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 978531281:20:10635:26; Wed, 03 Jan 2001 14:14:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2010580; 3 Jan 2001 14:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA18513 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 13:07:16 GMT Received: from norwegia.access.ch (mail.access.ch [195.112.71.134]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA18510 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 13:07:12 GMT Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (megapop4-29.access.ch [212.161.128.221]) by norwegia.access.ch (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA19708 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 15:05:56 +0100 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 15:03:13 +0100 (GMT) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: Text flow and Default master page To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <99a188364a%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: tevens Secretariaat Stichting Van Vredenburch X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 02 Jan, Robin Phillips wrote: > Dear colleagues, > > Way back in mid-November you all helped me with a problem over setting text > flow from one frame to the next in such a way that when the last frame wasf > ull it would flow on to yet another frame, ........ This question being the reason to give clear explanations with drawings in the new manual. > Yes, I know I should ge getting the latest release of OPro, and I probably > will shortly. I also know that Mr van Vredenbusch has been doing marvellous > things with the manual. Perhaps his manual can answer this one? Yes I can! 1. Do update to version 2.60 2. Then have a look at page 95 (Chapter 8) of the new manual. Regards JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch tel +41 41 3706125 | RiscPC (ex-Acorn) Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 3 21:46:17 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA142960 for opro ; Wed, 03 Jan 101 21:46:04 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 978555581:10:11085:13; Wed, 03 Jan 2001 20:59:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1116264; 3 Jan 2001 20:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA19793 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 19:47:22 GMT Received: from hinge3.mistral.co.uk (hinge3.mistral.co.uk [195.184.228.58]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA19790 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 19:47:14 GMT Received: from s.v.ellacott.mistral.co.uk (d224-203.dial.mistral.co.uk [195.184.224.203]) by hinge3.mistral.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA26100 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 20:45:45 GMT Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 20:25:45 +0000 (GMT) From: Steve Ellacott Subject: Re: CD labels To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <4a370628fbC.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: University of Brighton X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 03 Jan, Chris Johnson wrote: > > I have produced templates for the "Pressit" labeller. They are only > on my home machine, so I will tidy them up tonight and put them on > the site. > Thanks, I will have a look. I have been trying to produce templates in both the Pressit format and some called Bomil CD Labels (I think that is the right name, the font is so fancy as to be unreadable) which I picked up cheap at computer show. Basicaly, I am putting a slightly oversized (about 2mm) circular graphics frame (to allow bleed) behind an exact sized circular text frame. But unless I leave an actual graphic in the graphics frame it seems to revert to a text frame, and more seriously, when I select the graphics frame and drag in an image, the image seems to go into the text frame even though it is not selected. The only work around I have found is to move the graphics frame to the front, put in the image and then reshuffle the frames into the right order. (OvPro 2.60) I am very puzzled as to why this happens. Can David or anyone else explain? Thanks Steve -- Steve Ellacott, School of Computing and Mathematical Sciences, University of Brighton, Moulsecoomb, BN2 4GJ, UK Tel: Home (01273) 885845 Office: (01273) 642544 Fax: Home (01273) 270183 Office: (01273) 642405 WWW: http://www.it.brighton.ac.uk/staff/swe -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 3 21:46:26 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA142963 for opro ; Wed, 03 Jan 101 21:46:22 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 978555978:10:18635:16; Wed, 03 Jan 2001 21:06:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1128263; 3 Jan 2001 21:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA19846 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 19:57:35 GMT Received: from snowstorm.mail.pipex.net (snowstorm.mail.pipex.net [158.43.192.97]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id FAA16977 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 05:22:21 GMT Received: (qmail 13513 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2001 06:21:00 -0000 Received: from userau20.uk.uudial.com (HELO localhost) (62.188.137.222) by smtp-6.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 3 Jan 2001 06:21:00 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mark Fraser To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 22:40:50 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Invites by Mailmerging Message-ID: <4a36c428afmfraser@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I'm trying to print some invitations and mailmerging in the person invited, with four invites to one A4 sheet by creating one invite and tiling it 2x2 onto the page. However, I either get a page of 4 invites with the same name on them, or one invite per page. I'm sure the answer is on the CD-ROM, but at the moment I'm having trouble accessing the Ovation Pro archive - getting either broken archive or Type 5's from Ovation. Can anyone help? -- How about a beer, Norm? That's that amber sudsy stuff, right? I've heard good things about it! ___________________________________________ |\ /| ark Fraser /mfraser@ukgateway.net Mobile: 07977820478 | \/ | Somerset /www.mfraser.ukgateway.net ICQ:19835705 | |__________/Acorn SA RISC PC You know what the sig means! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 4 01:55:45 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA142970 for opro ; Thu, 04 Jan 101 01:55:43 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 978559144:20:04238:13; Wed, 03 Jan 2001 21:59:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2111006; 3 Jan 2001 21:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA20088 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 20:49:10 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA20082 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 20:49:04 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14Dvk9-000Mt3-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 21:47:42 +0000 Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 21:03:57 GMT Message-Id: <142952@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Text flow and Default master page X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R >But this time, when I start filling up the 3rd page and it reaches the foot, >it produces the text overflow sign instead of producing a 4th page. What >have I done wrong? Hard to say, your description of what you want to do is correct. So perhaps you didn't do what you said, or maybe there's a bug in your version of the program. ISTR you don't have 2.58 and versions earlier than that do have some oddities with links. >Incidentally, when your replies last time mentioned Auto-link I looked it up >in the printed 1886 manual. The index gave a reference to p.92, and on that >page I can find nothing about it! Rmarkable because the printed manual came out long before autolinking was thought of - yet it is in the index. Spooky... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 4 01:55:45 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA142971 for opro ; Thu, 04 Jan 101 01:55:43 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 978559162:10:22174:15; Wed, 03 Jan 2001 21:59:22 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1121310; 3 Jan 2001 21:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA20089 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 20:49:10 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA20083 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 20:49:04 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14Dvl3-000Mt3-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 21:47:45 +0000 Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 21:07:11 GMT Message-Id: <142954@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: More questions about DDL files X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >- a very useful facility, but limited in that it only gives the >first part of a font name, Oh, I'll do something about that... Actually it would be more useful if the full font name appeared in the summary on the edit style window too. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 4 01:55:49 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA142972 for opro ; Thu, 04 Jan 101 01:55:46 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 978559348:20:07815:19; Wed, 03 Jan 2001 22:02:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2118910; 3 Jan 2001 22:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA20130 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 20:52:50 GMT Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-10.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA20127 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 20:52:45 GMT Received: from [212.238.35.147] (helo=woltersd.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.14 #2) id 14Dvob-0005Ir-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 03 Jan 2001 21:51:26 +0000 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 22:06:41 +0000 (GMT) From: Dick Wolters Subject: Re: StylePal query To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Sat 23 Dec, Martin Vethake wrote: > In message <142499@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > > >I took one of the documents with many styles and deleted all text, > > >pictures or whatever. Result: an empty document with many styles > > >defined. > > > > Quick way to get all styles from one doc A to B. Open the Edit > > syles window in doc B, drag style sheet from file menu in document A > > to it. > > > I don't get it, open style edit in doc B, click menu over doc A - > closes doc B's dialogue, and no dragging anyplace... > > Regards > -- > Martin Vethake > Uffenkamp Computer Systeme You must save the style sheet from document A and drag that file in the Edit styles window in doc B. Don't drag the file to the small window with the list of defined styles in the Edit styles window. Regards, Dick -- D.Wolters Maastricht -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 4 01:55:57 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA142976 for opro ; Thu, 04 Jan 101 01:55:54 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 978561040:10:27006:32; Wed, 03 Jan 2001 22:30:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1026692; 3 Jan 2001 22:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA20338 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 21:19:20 GMT Received: from cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.173]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA20331 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 21:19:13 GMT Received: from modem-121.amlodipine.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.78.121] helo=orchard-way) by cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 14DwE9-0004nt-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 03 Jan 2001 22:17:50 +0000 Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 22:14:46 GMT From: Alan Adams To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Invites by Mailmerging Message-ID: References: <4a36c428afmfraser@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4a36c428afmfraser@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10 (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <4a36c428afmfraser@ukgateway.net> you wrote: > I'm trying to print some invitations and mailmerging in the person invited, > with four invites to one A4 sheet by creating one invite and tiling it 2x2 > onto the page. However, I either get a page of 4 invites with the same name > on them, or one invite per page. > > I'm sure the answer is on the CD-ROM, but at the moment I'm having trouble > accessing the Ovation Pro archive - getting either broken archive or Type 5's > from Ovation. > > Can anyone help? > I think you may need to tick the "all same" button in the thumbnails setup. I could be wrong though. -- Alan Adams alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.freeserve.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 4 01:56:00 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA142978 for opro ; Thu, 04 Jan 101 01:55:58 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 978563467:10:18161:14; Wed, 03 Jan 2001 23:11:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1015910; 3 Jan 2001 23:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA20533 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 21:56:55 GMT Received: from cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.172]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA20530 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 21:56:49 GMT Received: from modem-145.banner-wrasse.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.227.145] helo=davids) by cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 14DwoZ-0006JE-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 03 Jan 2001 22:55:27 +0000 Message-ID: <000701c075d8$2a13cba0$3d39fea9@davids> From: "David Woodman" To: References: Subject: PC Version of Ovation Pro Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 22:54:42 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I was wondering if there is any news about David Pilling's progress with a PC version. When first mentioned ISTR that six months was mentioned (albeit indirectly) as the sort of time period that would be required. Is the PC version still happening? I do sincerely hope so. David Woodman -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 4 02:58:45 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA142992 for opro ; Thu, 04 Jan 101 02:58:43 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 978574600:10:23437:16; Thu, 04 Jan 2001 02:16:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1122594; 4 Jan 2001 2:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA21250 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 00:57:53 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA21247 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 00:57:49 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14Dzdk-0006zQ-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 01:56:28 +0000 Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 21:52:55 GMT Message-Id: <142966@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Invites by Mailmerging X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I'm trying to print some invitations and mailmerging in the person invited, >with four invites to one A4 sheet by creating one invite and tiling it 2x2 >onto the page. However, I either get a page of 4 invites with the same name >on them, or one invite per page. I think the basic rule of thumb is that you can't mail merge inside imposition. Often people have a one page document and they'd like 20 copies printing on one sheet each with different mail merge data in. And things just don't work like that. What I'd suggest is creating a page with 4 invites on, and then following the instructions in the "advanced mail merge" document available from the resources section of the OPro web site. >I'm sure the answer is on the CD-ROM, but at the moment I'm having trouble >accessing the Ovation Pro archive - getting either broken archive or Type 5's >from Ovation. Yes the same material is in the new CD based manual. I guess we all hope CDR is stable for more than 6 weeks - they always sold it as better than magnetic storage. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 4 13:58:56 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA142994 for opro ; Thu, 04 Jan 101 13:58:53 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 978578027:20:01598:22; Thu, 04 Jan 2001 03:13:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2126703; 4 Jan 2001 3:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA21485 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 02:03:44 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA21482 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 02:03:39 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14E0fT-0009d8-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 03:02:19 +0000 Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 02:58:35 GMT Message-Id: <142990@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Ovation Pro 2.61 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro An upgrade from OvationPro 2.60 to 2.61 is now available from the upgrade page on the Ovation Pro area of my web sites. http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/upgrade/op260.zip This fixes a few bugs and adds some minor new features. So there's no great rush to upgrade. As usual I'd appreciate a few brave pioneers testing it for bugs first. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 4 13:59:03 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA142996 for opro ; Thu, 04 Jan 101 13:58:58 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 978578353:20:18217:13; Thu, 04 Jan 2001 03:19:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2129671; 4 Jan 2001 3:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA21471 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 02:00:25 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA21468 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 02:00:19 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14E0cE-0009aO-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 02:58:58 +0000 Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 01:57:00 GMT Message-Id: <142980@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: PC Version of Ovation Pro X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I was wondering if there is any news about David Pilling's progress with a >PC version. Easily answered. Zero progress so far. I've been busy, duplicating CD's for one thing, but also working on a RISC OS project for Pace. However that doesn't mean I've abandoned the idea. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 4 13:59:09 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA142997 for opro ; Thu, 04 Jan 101 13:59:04 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 978599474:10:12246:20; Thu, 04 Jan 2001 09:11:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1012174; 4 Jan 2001 9:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA22613 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 07:56:50 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA22610 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 07:56:45 GMT Received: from userev41.uk.uudial.com (62.188.17.224) [62.188.17.224] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 14E6BD-00019G-00; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 08:55:28 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 08:21:43 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: PC Version of Ovation Pro Message-ID: <4a377d2d13steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <142980@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <142980@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <142980@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > I've been busy, duplicating CD's for one thing, but also working on a > RISC OS project for Pace. Hmmmm. Non-disclosure covered? Will desktop users be happy (ier) ? -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 4 13:59:20 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA143000 for opro ; Thu, 04 Jan 101 13:59:13 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 978601030:20:12424:29; Thu, 04 Jan 2001 09:37:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2123424; 4 Jan 2001 9:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA22767 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 08:35:07 GMT Received: from mserv1a.vianw.co.uk (mserv1a.vianw.co.uk [195.102.240.34]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA22764 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 08:35:05 GMT Received: from [194.119.179.59] (helo=Caslon.english.co.uk) by mserv1a.vianw.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.10 #63) id 14E6mK-0002wd-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 09:33:48 +0000 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Thu, 04 Jan 2001 09:18:13 +0000 Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 09:18:19 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: More questions about DDL files Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <142954@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > > >- a very useful facility, but limited in that it only gives the > >first part of a font name, > > Oh, I'll do something about that... > > Actually it would be more useful if the full font name appeared in the > summary on the edit style window too. > This is good news! By the way, I really like the new facility to reorder styles (OvPro 2.61) - it means that the styles can be shown in a logical order regardless of the order in which they were defined. When you get around to making the above improvement, presumably you will also ensure that when you save out the style definitions as a text file, that will also reflect any reordering. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 4 13:59:31 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA143002 for opro ; Thu, 04 Jan 101 13:59:25 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 978611120:10:05510:23; Thu, 04 Jan 2001 12:25:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1005083; 4 Jan 2001 12:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA23327 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 11:17:32 GMT Received: from prserv.net (out2.prserv.net [32.97.166.32]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA23324 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 11:17:28 GMT Received: from jacorn.ibm.net ([139.92.246.63]) by prserv.net (out2) with SMTP id <2001010412160520200k1i83e>; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 12:16:06 +0000 Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 00:20:37 +0100 (GMT) From: James White Subject: Re: !Speech To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <4a370ac4a4sbellon@sbellon.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Spanish Oak Nurseries X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 03 Jan, Stefan Bellon wrote: [snip] If you havn't had a reply from JSD then it's most likely he hasn't received your e-mail. I had a reply from him on Jan 1 which was sent less than an hour after my own request! And he was really sober... In it he admits having no knowledge of the DMI50 MIDI Sound i/f. Shocking ;-) Perhaps I can take this opportunity to ask if anyone knows how to get the RPC internal sound redirected to the sound card, so as to make use of its quality audio capabilities. There are input pins on the DMI, which can take e.g. CD-ROM output. Is it just a matter of connecting the internal speaker pin-out to these? I need to carusel OP pages and have some _audible_ spoken text. JW -- ---------------- RISCOS Cohorts: greater than the tenth part of a Legion... ---------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 4 13:59:58 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA143005 for opro ; Thu, 04 Jan 101 13:59:51 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 978615939:10:09706:17; Thu, 04 Jan 2001 13:45:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1120776; 4 Jan 2001 13:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA23651 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 12:33:47 GMT Received: from mail2.svr.pol.co.uk (mail2.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.210]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA23648 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 12:33:37 GMT Received: from modem-60.anglachel.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.112.60] helo=jwells24.freeserve.freeserve.co.uk) by mail2.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 14EAV9-0007Ll-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 04 Jan 2001 13:32:20 +0000 Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 13:24:01 +0000 (GMT) From: Malcolm Wells Subject: Re: Invites by Mailmerging To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <4a36c428afmfraser@ukgateway.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Malcolm Wells X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 02 Jan, Mark Fraser wrote: > I'm trying to print some invitations and mailmerging in the person invited, > with four invites to one A4 sheet by creating one invite and tiling it 2x2 > onto the page. However, I either get a page of 4 invites with the same name > on them, or one invite per page. > > I'm sure the answer is on the CD-ROM, but at the moment I'm having trouble > accessing the Ovation Pro archive - getting either broken archive or Type 5's > from Ovation. > > Can anyone help? > > -- > How about a beer, Norm? > That's that amber sudsy stuff, right? I've heard good things about it! > > ___________________________________________ > |\ /| ark Fraser /mfraser@ukgateway.net Mobile: 07977820478 > | \/ | Somerset /www.mfraser.ukgateway.net ICQ:19835705 > | |__________/Acorn SA RISC PC You know what the sig means! > > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message > > > Have you set up a CSV file with the names you want to appear on the Invitations? Once you have done that set the Mail Merge tags on the Invitations. Use the Mail Merge Printer Button, drag the CSV file onto the print window and go ahead. Its all in the manual and it does work. -- Malcolm Wells -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 4 19:04:55 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA143019 for opro ; Thu, 04 Jan 101 19:04:51 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 978633749:10:13755:15; Thu, 04 Jan 2001 18:42:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1111354; 4 Jan 2001 18:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA24553 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 17:38:19 GMT Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA24550 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 17:38:17 GMT Received: from g6tsf.demon.co.uk ([158.152.255.214]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 14EFFz-00067R-0X for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 18:37:00 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "P.R.J. Shayler" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 18:35:30 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: PC Version of Ovation Pro Message-ID: <4a37b55e9cpaul@g6tsf.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <143006@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <143006@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On 04 Jan, David Pilling wrote: > >Hmmmm. Non-disclosure covered? > Yes NDA'd > >Will desktop users be happy (ier) ? > Its one of the great imponderables, clearly Pace are building up a > portfolio of goodies (as did Acorn before them) which are not available > on the desktop. No doubt if and when depends on it being worth someones > while or ROSL charming them out of Pace. We've not seen the Acorn stuff > yet (many years on). > Using Oregano one feels "this was not written for desktop use", its very > good, but could be better for use on the desktop. So these things are > designed for use on STB's or whatever. Oregano has it's origins firmly in the STB arena. Castle say that they intend active developement for the desktop platform. AFAIK there is two way traffic between Oregan and Castle so they both benefit from the various developements. Paul. -- I'm using a Risc PC (tm) with SA-110 StrongARM (tm) RISC processor and running RISC OS (tm) Paul G6TSF g6tsf@amsat.org g6tsf@arrl.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 4 19:05:07 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA143020 for opro ; Thu, 04 Jan 101 19:05:05 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 978618811:20:16950:38; Thu, 04 Jan 2001 14:33:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2016356; 4 Jan 2001 14:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA23855 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 13:25:00 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA23851 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 13:24:57 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14EBIn-0002Tj-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 14:23:37 +0000 Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 14:03:31 GMT Message-Id: <143006@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: PC Version of Ovation Pro X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Hmmmm. Non-disclosure covered? Yes NDA'd >Will desktop users be happy (ier) ? Its one of the great imponderables, clearly Pace are building up a portfolio of goodies (as did Acorn before them) which are not available on the desktop. No doubt if and when depends on it being worth someones while or ROSL charming them out of Pace. We've not seen the Acorn stuff yet (many years on). Using Oregano one feels "this was not written for desktop use", its very good, but could be better for use on the desktop. So these things are designed for use on STB's or whatever. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 5 13:39:44 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA143075 for opro ; Fri, 05 Jan 101 13:39:37 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 978695718:20:11275:13; Fri, 05 Jan 2001 11:55:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2011106; 5 Jan 2001 11:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA27207 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 10:51:02 GMT Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA27204 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 10:51:00 GMT Received: from schild.demon.co.uk ([194.222.26.212]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 14EVNP-000P1w-0V for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 11:49:44 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Schild To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 10:35:08 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Printing panoramic sprites from OPro Message-ID: <4a380d3a16john@schild.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <142952@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <142952@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Some Christmas hols perversity drove me out into the snow to create a 270 degree landscape panorama; ten digital images which I stitched together in Photodesk. When complete, it turned out to be two metres long at 90dpi. A further descent into idiocy prompted me to try to print it. First attempt was made with tile printing from Artworks, but the results were muddy and very horrible so I abandoned that route. The second attempt was made from OPro. Referencing the sprite file, and printing it one A4 landscape frame at a time, increasing the x-offset with each printout to bring another section of the sprite into view. This worked OK for offsets up to (minus) one metre, but with offsets beyond that, although the required portion of the sprite was clearly visible on screen, my Canon 7100 inkjet could find no more data, and after several minutes of finding nothing to render disgorged blank sheets. The workaround which produced the rest of my monstrous panorama was to slice the sprite in two and print the second half, reducing the offset to under minus one metre again. The guillotine and pritt stick did the rest; my photo-wall now sports a ridiculously long winter panorama. Why, I wonder. Question 1: Does OPro 2.60 impose a (normally sensible) printing offset limitation of about a metre, or was something else happening? Question 2: How else might I have gone about photo-real printing such a long sprite from an A4 printer? -- ==================================================== John Schild, King's Walden, Hitchin, Herts. ==================================================== -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 5 17:10:56 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA143092 for opro ; Fri, 05 Jan 101 17:10:54 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 978703876:20:10109:13; Fri, 05 Jan 2001 14:11:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2009537; 5 Jan 2001 14:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA27706 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 13:04:37 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA27702 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 13:04:34 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14EXSi-0000lJ-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 14:03:20 +0000 Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 14:00:27 GMT Message-Id: <143084@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Ovation Pro 2.61 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Roger Mayne reports that screening setting for individual pictures no longer work in 2.61. Since I did a lot of messing in that area I'm inclined to believe him. A full report/fix in due course... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 5 17:10:58 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA143093 for opro ; Fri, 05 Jan 101 17:10:54 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 978702964:10:22506:13; Fri, 05 Jan 2001 13:56:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1124369; 5 Jan 2001 13:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA27632 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 12:51:25 GMT Received: from mserv1c.vianw.co.uk (mserv1c.vianw.co.uk [195.102.240.33]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA27629 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 12:51:23 GMT Received: from [194.119.179.59] (helo=Caslon.english.co.uk) by mserv1c.vianw.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.10 #35) id 14EXFr-0002Uq-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 13:50:03 +0000 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Fri, 05 Jan 2001 13:49:58 +0000 Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 13:50:46 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Printing panoramic sprites from OPro Message-ID: <1e231f384a%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a380d3a16john@schild.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro John Schild wrote: > Some Christmas hols perversity drove me out into the snow to create a > 270 degree landscape panorama; ten digital images which I stitched > together in Photodesk. When complete, it turned out to be two metres > long at 90dpi. > > The second attempt was made from OPro. Referencing the sprite file, and > printing it one A4 landscape frame at a time, increasing the x-offset > with each printout to bring another section of the sprite into view. > Would it not work to create a new OvPro page 2 metres wide, drop the (referenced) sprite into that and then print>tiles? David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 5 17:11:03 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA143095 for opro ; Fri, 05 Jan 101 17:11:01 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 978703864:10:18005:27; Fri, 05 Jan 2001 14:11:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1126532; 5 Jan 2001 14:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA27703 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 13:04:34 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA27697 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 13:04:32 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14EXSg-0000lJ-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 14:03:18 +0000 Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 13:56:27 GMT Message-Id: <143079@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Printing panoramic sprites from OPro X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Question 1: Does OPro 2.60 impose a (normally sensible) printing offset >limitation of about a metre, or was something else happening? Not as far as I know. There are limitations in the RISC OS printing system. >Question 2: How else might I have gone about photo-real printing such a >long sprite from an A4 printer? Using the Tile imposition format in Ovation Pro. However since you had to stitch it together, one might try to think of a method that didn't require that. Obviously printing each photo on one sheet of paper is one way. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 5 17:11:10 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA143098 for opro ; Fri, 05 Jan 101 17:11:07 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 978706309:20:06314:16; Fri, 05 Jan 2001 14:51:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2006242; 5 Jan 2001 14:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA27998 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 13:33:59 GMT Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA27995 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 13:33:57 GMT Received: from lowri.demon.co.uk ([194.222.175.160] helo=localhost.com) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 14EXv9-000Iw6-0U for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 14:32:43 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ian Lowry To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 14:28:05 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Printing panoramic sprites from OPro Message-ID: <4a38228db3ian@lowri.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a380d3a16john@schild.demon.co.uk> References: <142952@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4a380d3a16john@schild.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro John Schild wrote: > [Snip] > Question 2: How else might I have gone about photo-real printing > such a long sprite from an A4 printer? Some of the latest photoreal printers allow the use of a paper roll rather than single sheets (perhaps the next new feature will be fanfold paper !) Also Boots used to be able to print very large panoramas, although that may have gone the way of PhotoCD. Regards Ian -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 5 17:11:17 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA143101 for opro ; Fri, 05 Jan 101 17:11:15 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 978707635:10:04215:15; Fri, 05 Jan 2001 15:13:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1118814; 5 Jan 2001 15:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA28175 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 14:10:48 GMT Received: from tvweb1.hiway.co.uk (root@tvweb1.hiway.co.uk [195.12.1.131]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA28172 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 14:10:46 GMT From: Received: from mail-gw.quantel.com ([195.12.20.50]) by tvweb1.hiway.co.uk (8.11.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id f05F9GY04568 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 15:09:17 GMT Received: SMTP by Quantel-Mailhub (8.8.7/3.1). id QAA23241 for INET:ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Fri, 5 Jan 2001 16:11:40 GMT To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: <802569CB.00532CFF.00@buffer1.HQ.quantel> Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 15:08:22 +0000 Subject: Re: Printing panoramic sprites from OPro Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Organization: Quantel Ltd. Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >> Question 2: How else might I have gone about photo-real printing >> such a long sprite from an A4 printer? > Some of the latest photoreal printers allow the use of a paper roll > rather than single sheets (perhaps the next new feature will be > fanfold paper !) The only trouble is.... There is a limit to the maximum length of paper that the RISC OS printer drivers can handle. So although the paper rolls (the ones I have anyway) are 11 metres long you can't print anything like this length from RISC OS :-( Andy Ling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 5 21:14:46 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA143109 for opro ; Fri, 05 Jan 101 21:14:41 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 978717936:10:24110:13; Fri, 05 Jan 2001 18:05:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1023844; 5 Jan 2001 18:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA28770 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 17:02:41 GMT Received: from typhoon.mail.pipex.net (typhoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA28767 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 17:02:39 GMT Received: (qmail 27463 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2001 18:01:22 -0000 Received: from userfg74.uk.uudial.com (HELO localhost) (62.188.22.76) by smtp-2.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2001 18:01:22 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mark Fraser To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 16:06:07 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Invites by Mailmerging Message-ID: <4a382b8779mfraser@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <142966@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <142966@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <142966@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >I'm trying to print some invitations and mailmerging in the person > >invited, with four invites to one A4 sheet by creating one invite and > >tiling it 2x2 onto the page. However, I either get a page of 4 invites > >with the same name on them, or one invite per page. > I think the basic rule of thumb is that you can't mail merge inside > imposition. Often people have a one page document and they'd like 20 copies > printing on one sheet each with different mail merge data in. And things > just don't work like that. Thing is, if I want to make a change to the invitation and use imposition I only have to change it once, but if I have 4 invites on the page I have to either delete 3 of them, modify it and then copy it or make the same change to each invite. > What I'd suggest is creating a page with 4 invites on, and then following > the instructions in the "advanced mail merge" document available from the > resources section of the OPro web site. This is the way I've now done it, but see above. > >I'm sure the answer is on the CD-ROM, but at the moment I'm having trouble > >accessing the Ovation Pro archive - getting either broken archive or Type > >5's from Ovation. > Yes the same material is in the new CD based manual. I guess we all hope > CDR is stable for more than 6 weeks - they always sold it as better than > magnetic storage. I've now sorted the problem with the CD. I hadn't changed the termination settings on my CD drive after removing a zip drive and had even left the end of the cable unterminated! -- What's up, Normie? My nipples, it's freezing out there. ______________________________________________________ |\ /| ark Fraser /mfraser@ukgateway.net www.mfraser.ukgateway.net | \/ | Somerset /Using !Pluto on an Acorn SA RISC PC ICQ:19835705 | |___________/You know what the sig means! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 5 21:14:54 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA143114 for opro ; Fri, 05 Jan 101 21:14:51 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 978718166:20:18514:13; Fri, 05 Jan 2001 18:09:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2018434; 5 Jan 2001 18:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA28824 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 17:06:54 GMT Received: from nemesis.uk.clara.net (nemesis.uk.clara.net [195.8.69.86]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA28821 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 17:06:51 GMT Received: from du-016-0025.claranet.co.uk ([195.8.78.153] helo=stevegreen.clara.net) by nemesis.uk.clara.net with smtp (Exim 3.13 #2) id 14EbF9-000MAL-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 05 Jan 2001 18:05:35 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven J Green To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 17:57:03 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Printing panoramic sprites from OPro Message-ID: <4a3835afa7stevegreen@clara.net> In-Reply-To: <4a380d3a16john@schild.demon.co.uk> References: <142952@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4a380d3a16john@schild.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-RBL-Warning: (dul.maps.vix.com) See X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id RAA28822 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id RAB28824 On 05 Jan, John Schild wrote: > Some Christmas hols perversity drove me out into the snow to create a > 270 degree landscape panorama; ten digital images which I stitched > together in Photodesk. When complete, it turned out to be two metres > long at 90dpi. > Question 2: How else might I have gone about photo-real printing such a > long sprite from an A4 printer? !QuickTile from the company DTP allows you to split a large sprite into A4-sized chunks, complete with crop marks to facilitate re-assembly. AFAIK still available from DTP at around =A315? Steve -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 5 21:15:03 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA143117 for opro ; Fri, 05 Jan 101 21:15:00 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 978724566:10:22795:24; Fri, 05 Jan 2001 19:56:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1126024; 5 Jan 2001 19:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA29258 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 18:55:09 GMT Received: from typhoon.mail.pipex.net (typhoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA29255 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 18:55:07 GMT Received: (qmail 4400 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2001 19:53:50 -0000 Received: from userfm69.uk.uudial.com (HELO localhost) (62.188.24.157) by smtp-2.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2001 19:53:50 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mark Fraser To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 18:10:32 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: !Speech Message-ID: <4a3836eb62mfraser@argonet.co.uk> References: <4a370ac4a4sbellon@sbellon.de> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , James White wrote: > On Wed 03 Jan, Stefan Bellon wrote: > Perhaps I can take this opportunity to ask if anyone knows how to get > the RPC internal sound redirected to the sound card, so as to make use > of its quality audio capabilities. > There are input pins on the DMI, which can take e.g. CD-ROM output. Is > it just a matter of connecting the internal speaker pin-out to these? The pins you need are in the block of 10 infront (Labeled as JP3) of the CD-ROM pins. The pin wiring with pin 1 rear left as looking from the front of the computer. 1 2 1 Unfiltered Left 3 4 3 Filtered Left 5 6 5 Mono Ouput 7 8 7 Filtered Right 9 10 9 Unfiltered Right 2,4,6,8,10 Ground It's best to use the unfiltered input as the filtered input is shared with the CD-ROM input (selected by jumpers L1&2 situated between the CD-ROM and computer inputs). If you have a computer that doesn't have the 16-bit sound card fitted - i.e. either you have an old 8bit motherboard or a newer 16bit motherboard - you'll be able to use the short cable that should have been supplied with the card. If you do, it will be necessary to connect the two together by making your own cable. Let me know if you need details. -- Whaddya say, Norm? Well, I never met a beer I didn't drink. And down it goes. ______________________________________________________ |\ /| ark Fraser /mfraser@ukgateway.net www.mfraser.ukgateway.net | \/ | Somerset /Using !Pluto on an Acorn SA RISC PC ICQ:19835705 | |___________/You know what the sig means! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 5 21:15:15 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA143122 for opro ; Fri, 05 Jan 101 21:15:13 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 978727941:20:12690:15; Fri, 05 Jan 2001 20:52:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2128268; 5 Jan 2001 20:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA29453 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 19:50:59 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA29450 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 19:50:56 GMT Received: from userck21.uk.uudial.com (62.188.154.63) [62.188.154.63] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 14Ednu-00052E-00; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 20:49:39 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Roger Foden) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 20:37:41 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.24 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Re: Printing panoramic sprites from OPro Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Fri 5 Jan 2001 (10:35:08 +0000), john@schild.demon.co.uk wrote: > Question 2: How else might I have gone about photo-real printing such a > long sprite from an A4 printer? > !Poster? by David Caughley, Paul LeBeau & Rob McKay 4Mation 14 Castle Park Road Barnstaple Devon EX32 8PA Phone: +44 (1271) 25353 You can define your own paper size and print it off as an automatically tiled set of A4 sheets. I've just tried 2 metres long; it seems to accept the values 2000x200mm, and that's 2 metres long, portrait A4: 12 sheets allowing for the overlap. Regards Roger -- ___ n_ \ ) (^o\. /^\ Roger & Jacki Foden | | /_ / |___| http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/roger.foden/ / \/ \/ \_ _/ roger.foden@argonet.co.uk __\__\___|o_____//_______ Botanising in Greece? Marengo Publications sarpcsarpcsarpcsarpcsarpc Walking in Greece? Marengo Publications -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jan 6 00:30:01 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA143136 for opro ; Sat, 06 Jan 101 00:29:58 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 978736315:10:09238:13; Fri, 05 Jan 2001 23:11:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1009183; 5 Jan 2001 23:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA29967 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 22:09:12 GMT Received: from grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net (grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net [193.67.237.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA29964 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 22:09:09 GMT Received: from padua by grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net via 1Cust37.tnt18.rtm1.nl.uu.net [213.116.130.37] with SMTP for id AAA00201 (8.8.8/1.3); Sat, 6 Jan 2001 00:07:44 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <000001c0776b$ce0f0230$4d01a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: References: Subject: Re: Printing panoramic sprites from OPro Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 22:57:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 05 Jan, Roger Foden wrote: > On Fri 5 Jan 2001 (10:35:08 +0000), john@schild.demon.co.uk wrote: > > > Question 2: How else might I have gone about photo-real printing such a > > long sprite from an A4 printer? > > > !Poster? by David Caughley, Paul LeBeau & Rob McKay > > 4Mation > 14 Castle Park Road > Barnstaple > Devon > EX32 8PA > Phone: +44 (1271) 25353 > > You can define your own paper size and print it off as an automatically tiled > set of A4 sheets. > I've just tried 2 metres long; it seems to accept the values 2000x200mm, and > that's 2 metres long, portrait A4: 12 sheets allowing for the overlap. > What about !Vector, also from 4Mation, that comes free with RISC OS 4 in the bundled software? The menu offers you formats from A5 to 12A0. I have never tried to use large sizes this way. In !Browse I had webpages, larger than A0. Saved as DrawFiles they are displayed full lenght in !Vector, whilst they are only partly -till A0- displayed in !Draw. However, I never tried to print these. mrs. Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jan 6 00:30:02 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA143137 for opro ; Sat, 06 Jan 101 00:29:58 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 978734872:20:07707:16; Fri, 05 Jan 2001 22:47:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2007591; 5 Jan 2001 22:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA29871 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 21:45:50 GMT Received: from spartha.spa.umn.edu (spartha.spa.umn.edu [128.101.220.23]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA28708 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 16:37:35 GMT Received: from lanark.spa.umn.edu (allan@lanark.spa.umn.edu [128.101.220.29]) by spartha.spa.umn.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f05HZpI18489 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 11:35:51 -0600 (CST) Received: (from allan@localhost) by lanark.spa.umn.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA11063 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 11:35:51 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 11:35:51 -0600 From: Graham Allan To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Printing panoramic sprites from OPro Message-ID: <20010105113551.E10149@lanark.spa.umn.edu> References: <143079@pilling.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <143079@pilling.demon.co.uk>; from opro@pilling.demon.co.uk on Fri, Jan 05, 2001 at 01:56:27PM +0000 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri, Jan 05, 2001 at 01:56:27PM +0000, David Pilling wrote: > > > >Question 1: Does OPro 2.60 impose a (normally sensible) printing offset > >limitation of about a metre, or was something else happening? > > Not as far as I know. There are limitations in the RISC OS printing system. That's what I'm thinking... isn't it possible, that if you half the printer resulution (say 360->180 dpi), that the printer driver might get twice as far before falling over!? G. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Graham Allan - I.T. Manager - gta@umn.edu - (612) 624-5040 School of Physics and Astronomy - University of Minnesota ------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jan 6 02:57:27 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA143153 for opro ; Sat, 06 Jan 101 02:57:23 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 978746719:10:13371:14; Sat, 06 Jan 2001 02:05:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1013256; 6 Jan 2001 2:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA30529 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 01:04:25 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA30525 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 01:04:13 GMT Received: from nmalden.demon.co.uk ([158.152.194.89]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 14Eih9-0009Ec-0B; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 02:02:59 +0000 Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 01:36:44 +0000 (GMT) From: Charles Barraball Subject: Re: Printing panoramic sprites from OPro To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk cc: procadusers In-Reply-To: <000001c0776b$ce0f0230$4d01a8c0@padua> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Dad x4; Grandpa x4; Surveyor; DTP-er; '42-er X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 05 Jan, Tonnie Demarteau wrote: > On Fri 05 Jan, Roger Foden wrote: > > > On Fri 5 Jan 2001 (10:35:08 +0000), john@schild.demon.co.uk wrote: > > > > > Question 2: How else might I have gone about photo-real printing such a > > > long sprite from an A4 printer? At the risk of adding little of practical help, !ProCAD+ 1.02 can import sprites, and cope with a paper length of over a kilome 1183,726mm to be precise. If the printer/plotter were wide enough it could do it widthways too. But can it print that much? L.a..t...e....r..... But the question related to A4 printers and I don't know enough about printers and printer drivers - however... PrCad+'s plotter drivers can obviously cope with the length. (Unfortunately the plotter limits paper width to 1183,725.94mm max.) So if the plotter were up to Photo-real standards - and some are, as I understand things - then this might be an answer. Anyone with plotter experience care to comment? Charles -- Home: 020 8949 0708-Vox; 079 5620 0176-Mobile; 087 0164 0025-Fax RiscOS4--Listowner procad-users. ProCAD+ http://www.zynet.co.uk/dsnell Work: 020 7939 9452-Vox 020 7939 9469-Fax mailto:charles.barraball@dswark.org.uk http://www.dswark.org -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jan 6 13:39:39 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA143156 for opro ; Sat, 06 Jan 101 13:39:35 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 978750044:10:18829:14; Sat, 06 Jan 2001 03:00:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1018503; 6 Jan 2001 3:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA30741 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 01:59:25 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA30738 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 01:59:23 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14EjYY-0005Mj-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 02:58:10 +0000 Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 02:39:45 GMT Message-Id: <143149@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ovation Pro 2.61 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Yes, screening for individual pictures is broken in 2.61. I think I'll produce a fixed version 2.62 next week... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jan 6 13:39:43 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA143157 for opro ; Sat, 06 Jan 101 13:39:41 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 978750473:10:26440:14; Sat, 06 Jan 2001 03:07:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1026373; 6 Jan 2001 3:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA30814 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 02:07:33 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA30811 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 02:07:31 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14EjgP-0005np-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 03:06:17 +0000 Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 03:01:52 GMT Message-Id: <143154@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Printing panoramic sprites from OPro X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >This worked OK for offsets up to (minus) one metre, but with offsets >beyond that, although the required portion of the sprite was clearly >visible on screen, my Canon 7100 inkjet could find no more data, and >after several minutes of finding nothing to render disgorged blank >sheets. I'd be inclined to enable the print margin on screen and see if your picture fits in the visible area. This is a way of checking if calculations inside OPro are going wrong. Another way of doing what you were doing would be to have an A4 page with a frame and shift the picture inside the frame. However, I still think just selecting the 'tile' print format within OPro would be the simplest option. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jan 6 13:40:16 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA143161 for opro ; Sat, 06 Jan 101 13:40:14 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 978769816:10:11271:14; Sat, 06 Jan 2001 08:30:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1129556; 6 Jan 2001 8:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA31795 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 07:29:09 GMT Received: from snowy.kiwilink.co.nz (snowy.kiwilink.co.nz [202.27.215.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA31791 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 07:28:54 GMT Received: from timk.ns.planet.gen.nz (ppp-18.kiwilink.co.nz [202.27.215.84]) by snowy.kiwilink.co.nz (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id f068QDD29634 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 21:26:13 +1300 (NZDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tim King To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 21:29:31 +1200 Subject: Re: Printing panoramic sprites from OPro Message-ID: <4a388b0e1btim@de-sig.co.nz> In-Reply-To: <143079@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <143079@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02a (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <143079@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: >> Question 1: Does OPro 2.60 impose a (normally sensible) printing >> offset limitation of about a metre, or was something else >> happening? > Not as far as I know. There are limitations in the RISC OS printing > system. This has been a long-standing problem with large format printers. From the files, David Ruck once replied: >> Perhaps a group of programmers could get the Printers source off >> Pace and fix it up for them... > > An excellent idea. Maybe then the restriction on printable length > (2525mm) could also be fixed. Unfortunately that limitation is not specific to the printer code. The RISC OS VDU graphics system deals with signed 16 bit coordinates, so for a printer resolution of say 300dpi, the maximum paper size becomes is around 2774mm. At 1200dpi it becomes a mere 690mm. Beyond the VDU system, draw files use 32 bit coodinates in 1/256ths of an OS unit, so are good for 710m at 300dpi and 177m at 1200dpi. Font positioning coordinates are absolute 32bit millipoints which gives a range of 0.75Km at all resolutions. So no problem there, we just need to extend the VDU system to 32bit coords. ---druck It's that simple, huh? tim -- Tim King... de-Sig. +64 9 478.3114 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jan 6 15:25:23 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA143171 for opro ; Sat, 06 Jan 101 15:25:18 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 978790802:20:18541:14; Sat, 06 Jan 2001 14:20:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2117201; 6 Jan 2001 14:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA00332 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 13:15:48 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA00329 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 13:15:46 GMT Received: from userev67.uk.uudial.com (62.188.17.250) [62.188.17.250] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 14Eu75-00077m-00; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 14:14:32 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Mijas Software) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 10:50:40 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.24 for RISC OS 4.02 Subject: Re: Printing panoramic sprites from OPro Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Some time ago I did just this for the Mars lander panorama - I think it was about 2 meteres long. I used !Draw set to (I think) A0 and then printed A4 sections using an Epson Stylus Colour printer. No problems - just a fiddle!. John -- ___ _ __ ___________________________________________ |\/| | | |_| (_ / Scientific/Education/Utilities - RISC OS 4 | | | _| | | __) Software / email: mijassw@argonet.co.uk - Developer ____________________________/ web: http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/mijassw/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 8 17:13:20 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA143185 for opro ; Mon, 08 Jan 101 17:13:18 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 978806043:10:09284:13; Sat, 06 Jan 2001 18:34:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1100910; 6 Jan 2001 18:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA01155 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 17:31:38 GMT Received: from mailout01.sul.t-online.com (mailout01.sul.t-online.com [194.25.134.80]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA01152 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 17:31:30 GMT Received: from fwd03.sul.t-online.com by mailout01.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 14Ey6W-0001nf-0C; Sat, 06 Jan 2001 19:30:12 +0100 Received: from veni (520042741018-0001@[62.227.40.19]) by fmrl03.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 14Ey6R-0T69seC; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 19:30:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Bellon To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 19:30:08 +0100 Subject: List applet bug Message-ID: <4a38bc8cf1sbellon@sbellon.de> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain X-Sender: 520042741018-0001@t-dialin.net Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hi! My mother has today written a cooking recipe (right word in English?) with Ovation Pro (version 2.61) and for the ingredients there was something needed in the amount of 1 kg. So she typed: 1 kg [... German expression for something ...] and when she pressed Return, the machine seemed to have crashed. I thought an applet script may loop indefinitely and hit Ctrl-Esc and indeed control was back. After some experimentation I've found out that the !List applet (version 1.01) by Levens Software (whose website I'm unable to reach and look for an update ATM) caused this crash. Can somebody confirm this? And more important: Has somebody a fix for this? TIA. Greetings, Stefan. -- Stefan Bellon * * Data file? No thanks, I prefer to date people -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 8 17:14:38 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA143210 for opro ; Mon, 08 Jan 101 17:14:37 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 978915104:10:03400:13; Mon, 08 Jan 2001 00:51:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1003348; 8 Jan 2001 0:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA06162 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 23:44:57 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA06159 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 23:44:54 GMT Received: from talibard.demon.co.uk ([158.152.207.34]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 14FQPV-0004J1-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 00:43:42 +0000 Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 11:38:14 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael Talibard Subject: gutter width To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R When dealing with poetry, it is often neat (and saves paper) to use a two-column page. Because the lines vary in length, one wants the smallest posible gutter-width, so as to fit in the occasional longer line; it looks OK because most of the lines don't reach the edge of the frame anyway. But Opro won't allow a gutter narrower than 1mm. Why? -- Michael Talibard -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 8 17:14:43 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA143212 for opro ; Mon, 08 Jan 101 17:14:42 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 978945672:10:08527:17; Mon, 08 Jan 2001 09:21:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1102202; 8 Jan 2001 9:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA07616 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 08:18:33 GMT Received: from smtp02.fields.gol.com (smtp02.fields.gol.com [203.216.5.132]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA07613 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 08:18:28 GMT Received: from tc-1-2-191.shinjuku.gol.ne.jp ([203.216.9.191] helo=plattir.gol.com) by smtp02.fields.gol.com with smtp (Magnetic Fields) id 14FYQF-0001py-00 for ; Mon, 08 Jan 2001 18:16:59 +0900 Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 16:20:12 +0000 (GMT) From: "Ian R. Platt" Subject: Re: gutter width To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] X-Abuse-Complaints: abuse@gol.com Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Sun 07 Jan, Michael Talibard wrote: > When dealing with poetry, it is often neat (and saves paper) to use > a two-column page. Because the lines vary in length, one wants the > smallest posible gutter-width, so as to fit in the occasional longer > line; it looks OK because most of the lines don't reach the edge of > the frame anyway. But Opro won't allow a gutter narrower than > 1mm. Why? Or... Put two frames on the page, set to transparent, no text repel, and overlap them as much as you like. I do this with songs. HTH Ian P. -- Ian Platt email: plattir@gol.com StrongArm and Risc OS 4 - UK technology. Continuing to think differently! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 8 21:01:30 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA143256 for opro ; Mon, 08 Jan 101 21:01:27 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 978981763:20:27265:26; Mon, 08 Jan 2001 19:22:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2026798; 8 Jan 2001 19:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA09327 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 18:19:55 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA09316 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 18:19:50 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14FhoS-0000MD-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 19:18:36 +0000 Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 19:01:40 GMT Message-Id: <143247@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: List applet bug X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R >So she typed: >1 kg [... German expression for something ...] >and when she pressed Return, the machine seemed to have crashed. >After some experimentation I've found out that the !List applet >(version 1.01) by Levens Software (whose website I'm unable to reach >and look for an update ATM) caused this crash. When that applet sees one line start with a number, it attempts to start the next line with a number one greater. It works very well, except when you don't want a list, "why do all these numbers keep appearing" is the usual complaint. Since 2.60 has built in auto para numbering you might as well get rid of the applet if it is causing problems. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 8 21:01:36 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA143259 for opro ; Mon, 08 Jan 101 21:01:32 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demo