From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Oct 2 20:18:36 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134536 for opro ; Mon, 02 Oct 100 20:18:33 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970336626:10:20016:17; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 17:57:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1019780; 30 Sep 2000 17:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA21518 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 17:55:36 +0100 Received: from scrabble.freeuk.net (scrabble.freeuk.net [212.126.144.6]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA21483 for ; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 17:42:48 +0100 Received: from du-002-0234.freeuk.com ([212.126.156.234] helo=freeuk.net) by scrabble.freeuk.net with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1) id 13fQdX-0006LN-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 18:41:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: SPS To: Ovation Pro List Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 18:42:46 +0100 Subject: Re: Tab ruler Message-ID: <4a06404ad4sps@penniceard.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4a043c308drogerpenny@freeUK.com> User-Agent: Pluto/1.14e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Anthony Hilton wrote: > In on Tue 26 Sep, Roger Penniceard wrote: > > In Ovation the Tab ruler seems to always obscure what I > > want to look at so I can't see what I am doing and I then have to > > click OK to see the effect. > Sorry to but into a wish list - but remember how RISCOS style > compliant David's programs are! Click with Adjust on the OK button in > the Tab settings dialogue box to get them actioned without closing > the box, effectively a preview. > As for the Tab ruler obscuring the text you are wanting to set tab > positions for - the ruler appears directly above the position of the > cursor at the start of the selection. So if you type a number of > lines and then adjust click in the top one to select the Tab ruler > will be above the last line. Make the selection the other way by > putting the cursor in the top line and adjust click in the last line > for the ruler to be above the top line and not abscure the text you > are working with. > The only refinement (but minor once you understand how it is working) > would be to position the Tab ruler above the currently selected block > of text instead of above the cursor position. > Anthony Hilton Thank you for the suggestions. I was already using Adjust to get a preview but this is not as efficient as seeing what happens immediately the tab is moved. Your suggestion about the direction of highlighting is interesting and useful but hardly intuitive. If I had not been told it would have been difficult to discover. However even with these insights I still find the process clumsy. For example if I use the reverse highlighting and click for the tab ruler I end up with the entry/information box covering everything. I then have to move it before I do anything. Thus in Impression having highlighted my text I can immediately start moving my tabs seeing exactly what is going on. I Ovation I have to highlight remembering which direction I use according to where I want the tab bar. I then have to click or press Ctrl+Tab. I then have to move the entry box and finally I have to press Adjust to see what is happening. In addition in Impression I always can see what tabs are set in any section of text. I rest my case. Roger -- ||||| ||| ||| ||||| Roger Penniceard || || || || Specialist Psychological Services ||||| |||| ||||| 8 Loxley Road, London SW18 3LJ || || || Tel. +44 (0) 20 8874 1569 ||||| |||| ||||| sps@penniceard.freeserve.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Oct 2 20:18:38 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134538 for opro ; Mon, 02 Oct 100 20:18:37 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970350296:20:26108:15; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 21:44:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2119705; 30 Sep 2000 21:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA22196 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 21:43:07 +0100 Received: from mserv1b.vianw.co.uk (mserv1b.vianw.co.uk [195.102.240.137]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA22193 for ; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 21:43:05 +0100 Received: from [195.102.201.1] (helo=Caslon.english.co.uk) by mserv1b.vianw.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.10 #63) id 13fUO4-0006Zk-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 22:41:40 +0100 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 22:39:33 +0100 Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 22:38:51 +0100 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Upgrade CD Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Robin Phillips wrote: > David Pilling, > > > EPS support > > Sorry? I am not sure what E P S stands for. > Encapsulated Postscript - very useful if you want to incorporate a graphic produced by another application (even on another platform) and send the finished page to a printer. OvPro doesn't try and interpret or show the EPS graphic (unless it has a low resolution 'preview' bitmap image bundled with it) but it passes the necessary fragment of postscript to the printer at the right time when you print the page or run out film. As far as I know the EPS facility is pretty useless if you don't have a postscript printer, need to send stuff to a commercial printer, or create PDF files. But if you do prepare things for the press it is pretty well a neccesity. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Oct 2 20:18:43 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134540 for opro ; Mon, 02 Oct 100 20:18:41 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970354701:20:02986:14; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 22:58:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2002900; 30 Sep 2000 22:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA22405 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 22:55:02 +0100 Received: from dervish.mail.pipex.net (dervish.mail.pipex.net [158.43.192.70]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA22400 for ; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 22:55:00 +0100 Received: (qmail 27400 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2000 22:53:36 -0000 Received: from userap23.uk.uudial.com (HELO RPC) (62.188.135.238) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 2000 22:53:36 -0000 Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 20:20:02 +0100 From: Mik Towse To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Upgrade CD Message-ID: <4A0649325F%mik.towse@xemik.com> References: <134514@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <134514@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.10d POPstar/2.02 X-Editor: Zap 1.42, using ZapEmail 0.24 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <134514@pilling.demon.co.uk> David Pilling wrote: [snip] > However I may try to set up a credit card payment facility for those who > need it. I have tried to negotiate a good deal but its not come to pass. > As of now then you'd be looking at paying an extra 10% for the privilige. I bought a shareware prog' from the Netherlands via a web-based credit card service (REGNET) recently. Could this be an option for non-UK based purchasers? I assume that it is still possible to add a surcharge & send the s/w by post. -- Mik Towse * mik.towse@xemik.com * http://www.xemik.com/ My writers' site can be found at: http://www.lexis.org.uk The older a man gets, the farther he had to walk to school as a boy. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Oct 2 20:18:45 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134541 for opro ; Mon, 02 Oct 100 20:18:43 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970340930:10:06446:15; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 19:08:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1006361; 30 Sep 2000 19:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA21728 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 19:05:15 +0100 Received: from cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.174]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA21725 for ; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 19:05:13 +0100 Received: from modem-16.cesium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.46.16] helo=beeston12) by cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 13fRvJ-0008Tq-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 20:03:49 +0100 Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 19:47:20 +0100 From: Robin Phillips To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Upgrade CD Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <134469@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: home X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m User-Agent: POPstar/2.01b12 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id TAA21726 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id TAB21728 Dear 30th September David Pilling, In message <134469@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > Ovation Pro Upgrade CD=20 >=A0This is now available, the following attempts to explain the intricac= ies. >=20 > What do I get? > -------------- >=20 > Ovation Pro 2.60 featuring; >=20 > Auto paragraph numbering and bulleting > Impression document loader > Referenced and Proxy pictures > EPS support Sorry? I am not sure what E P S stands for. > Graduated, patterned and hatched fills > David Pilling >=20 Yours sincerely, Robin. --=20 Robin Phillips, 1, Newcastle Avenue, Beeston, Notts., NG9 1BT; Phone: +44 (0)115 922 4930 E-mail: rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Oct 2 20:18:50 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134543 for opro ; Mon, 02 Oct 100 20:18:48 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970340930:10:06447:19; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 19:08:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1113272; 30 Sep 2000 19:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA21733 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 19:05:17 +0100 Received: from cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.174]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA21730 for ; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 19:05:15 +0100 Received: from modem-16.cesium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.46.16] helo=beeston12) by cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 13fRvL-0008Tq-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 20:03:51 +0100 Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 19:37:05 +0100 From: Robin Phillips To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Tab ruler Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: home X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m User-Agent: POPstar/2.01b12 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message Anthony Hilton wrote: > In on Tue 26 Sep, Roger Penniceard wrote: > Sorry to but into a wish list - > The only refinement (but minor once you understand how it is working) would > be to position the Tab ruler above the currently selected block of text > instead of above the cursor position. NOT the only desirable change! The constant problem I have is that when one selects Control-Tab to edit the tabulation set-up the ruler FAILS TO SHOW the existing default tabs. It shows everything else but not these! Can anyone suggest a set-up which displays these? Yours sincerely, Robin. -- Robin Phillips, 1, Newcastle Avenue, Beeston, Notts., NG9 1BT; Phone: +44 (0)115 922 4930 E-mail: rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Oct 2 20:19:02 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134548 for opro ; Mon, 02 Oct 100 20:19:00 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970391249:20:19955:19; Sun, 01 Oct 2000 09:07:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2119674; 1 Oct 2000 9:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA23642 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 09:04:01 +0100 Received: from snowy.kiwilink.co.nz (snowy.kiwilink.co.nz [202.27.215.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA23639 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 09:03:55 +0100 Received: from timk.ns.planet.gen.nz (ppp-34.kiwilink.co.nz [202.27.215.100]) by snowy.kiwilink.co.nz (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id e9190YT20426 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 22:00:35 +1300 (NZDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tim King To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 17:54:16 +1200 Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Upgrade CD Message-ID: <4a05ff6d4ctim@de-sig.co.nz> In-Reply-To: <134469@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <134469@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02a (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <134469@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > How can I pay? > -------------- > Send a cheque for ukp 35 drawn on a UK bank and made payable to; > David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. Originally you mentioned the possibility of credit card payments for foreigns. Still a possibility? Tim -- Tim King... de-Sig. +64 9 478.3114 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Oct 2 20:19:12 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134552 for opro ; Mon, 02 Oct 100 20:19:10 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970382986:10:07394:14; Sun, 01 Oct 2000 06:49:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1007343; 1 Oct 2000 6:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA23338 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 06:45:59 +0100 Received: from smtp24.singnet.com.sg (smtp24.singnet.com.sg [165.21.101.204]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA23335 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 06:45:56 +0100 Received: from revilo.singnet.com.sg (qtas2002.singnet.com.sg [165.21.53.192]) by smtp24.singnet.com.sg (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id e916jPj31684 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 14:45:25 +0800 (SGT) Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 08:49:40 +0000 (GMT) From: Ian Oliver Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Upgrade CD To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <134514@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Ian Oliver, (65) 468-0760. X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sat 30 Sep, David Pilling wrote: > However I may try to set up a credit card payment facility for those > who need it. Yes please. Very helpful to us furriners. And the price plus ten percent is still an amazing bargain compared to mickysoft prices. Unless you troll over to Malaysia where I'm told you can buy copy windoze CDs for seven ringgit - slightly under two pounds!. Thanks for nice software. -- Ian Oliver http://www.crosswinds.net/~houseoftoucans/Index.html -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Oct 2 20:19:35 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134560 for opro ; Mon, 02 Oct 100 20:19:33 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970400862:10:12521:26; Sun, 01 Oct 2000 11:47:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1012452; 1 Oct 2000 11:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA24210 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 11:42:02 +0100 Received: from grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net (grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net [193.67.237.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA24207 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 11:41:59 +0100 Received: from padua by grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net via 1Cust36.tnt8.rtm1.nl.uu.net [213.116.110.36] with SMTP for id NAA07264 (8.8.8/1.19); Sun, 1 Oct 2000 13:40:35 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <002801c02b9c$0bc423b0$4d01a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: "Ovation Pro" References: <134469@pilling.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Upgrade CD Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 12:21:52 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sat 30 Sep 2000, David Pilling wrote: > Ovation Pro Upgrade CD > > This is now available, the following attempts to explain the intricacies. > > > What do I get? > -------------- > > Ovation Pro 2.60 featuring; > > Auto paragraph numbering and bulleting > Impression document loader > Referenced and Proxy pictures > EPS support > Graduated, patterned and hatched fills Congratulations with the new upgrade. It sounds promising. > > How can I pay? > -------------- > Send a cheque for ukp 35 drawn on a UK bank and made payable to; > David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. As (many) other users I am also interested in paying by credit card. The 10% extra isn't a problem. Paying bills in another currency or to another country always involves extra costs. Regards, mrs. Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Oct 2 20:20:20 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134564 for opro ; Mon, 02 Oct 100 20:20:17 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970417330:20:11047:18; Sun, 01 Oct 2000 16:22:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2010792; 1 Oct 2000 16:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA24890 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 16:15:08 +0100 Received: from mail6.svr.pol.co.uk (mail6.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.212]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA24887 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 16:15:06 +0100 Received: from modem-241.garibaldi.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.16.241] helo=freeserve.co.uk) by mail6.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 13fljY-0002b8-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 01 Oct 2000 17:13:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Frank Watkinson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 17:11:06 +0100 Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Upgrade CD Message-ID: <4a06bbbc3cfrank@aaug.net> In-Reply-To: References: <134469@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Nico ter Haar wrote: > In on Sat 30 Sep, David Pilling wrote: > > > > > > Ovation Pro Upgrade CD > > > > This is now available, the following attempts to explain the > > intricacies. > > > Great ! > > > > How can I pay? -------------- Send a cheque for ukp 35 drawn on a > > UK bank and made payable to; David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton > > Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. > > > Will you be at Epsom ? It would be much easier for us foreigners to > hand over the cash. > rgds nico I am sure that there will be people at Epsom who would be prepared to write you a cheque made out to David Pilling in exchange for 35 ukp cash. I shall be there on the Saturday. If you need me, ask for me at the AAUG stand. Best of luck. Frank. PS. (Ought to be at the top, really) - Good effort, David!!! -- Essex Acorn User Group - Member of Association of Acorn User Groups Frank Watkinson (PR/Web/Newsletter) Email: eaug@aaug.net Website: http://www.wattys.fsnet.co.uk/eaug.html -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Oct 2 20:20:45 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134565 for opro ; Mon, 02 Oct 100 20:20:37 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970417459:20:13314:15; Sun, 01 Oct 2000 16:24:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2013240; 1 Oct 2000 16:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA24926 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 16:20:50 +0100 Received: from imo-r07.mail.aol.com (imo-r07.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.7]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA24923 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 16:20:48 +0100 From: Received: from Tomhopley@aol.com by imo-r07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.24.) id d.27.b8c0dfa (7776) for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 12:18:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <27.b8c0dfa.2708bde6@aol.com> Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 12:18:46 EDT Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Upgrade CD To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 104 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In a message dated 9/30/00 1:34:16 AM GMT Daylight Time, opro@pilling.demon.co.uk writes: > How do I find my serial number? > ------------------------------- > The best way is to look inside the front cover of your Ovation Pro reference > manual, or on the registration card supplied with the program. You can also > find it from the 'splash' screen displayed when Ovation Pro starts up, > however this number is not definitive because it is entered by the user. I suppose there's always one ..... For the past 9 years or so I've been watching the wrong serial number come up each time on my OPro splash screen - I'd transposed two digits when I typed it in. Thanks, David, for the warning. Thanks also for the hundreds of poundsworth - at M$ rates - of free updates I've already received for my original OPro version 2.42. Even as a fully qualified skinflint and adopted Yorkshireman I find it difficult to write a cheque for only 35 ukp for the CD. Perhaps we should transpose those two digits too. TomH -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Oct 2 20:22:33 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134590 for opro ; Mon, 02 Oct 100 20:22:32 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970512660:10:26125:17; Mon, 02 Oct 2000 18:51:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1025442; 2 Oct 2000 18:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA28653 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 18:43:01 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA28650 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 18:42:55 +0100 Received: from usera798.uk.uudial.com (193.149.69.36) [193.149.69.36] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13gAWo-0007aC-00; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 19:41:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "charles.hope" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 17:33:06 +0100 Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Upgrade CD Message-ID: <4a074195fbcharles.hope@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <134469@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <134469@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.01f (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 30 Sep, David Pilling wrote: > Ovation Pro Upgrade CD > This is now available, the following attempts to explain the intricacies. Order in Post. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Oct 2 22:33:44 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134628 for opro ; Mon, 02 Oct 100 22:33:31 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970518114:20:06758:20; Mon, 02 Oct 2000 20:21:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2006763; 2 Oct 2000 20:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA28982 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 20:20:44 +0100 Received: from prserv.net (out5.prserv.net [32.97.166.35]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA28979 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 20:20:41 +0100 Received: from jacorn.ibm.net ([139.92.178.110]) by prserv.net (out5) with SMTP id <200010022019092050486c8be>; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 20:19:12 +0000 Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 19:56:32 +0200 (BST) From: James White Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Upgrade CD To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <27.b8c0dfa.2708bde6@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Spanish Oak Nurseries X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sun 01 Oct, Tomhopley@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 9/30/00 1:34:16 AM GMT Daylight Time, > opro@pilling.demon.co.uk writes: > > Thanks also for the hundreds of poundsworth - at M$ rates - of free > updates I've already received for my original OPro version 2.42. > Even as a fully qualified skinflint and adopted Yorkshireman I find > it difficult to write a cheque for only 35 ukp for the CD. Perhaps > we should transpose those two digits too. Something like this has _got_ to be done to keep DP developing OvPro for the ARM architecture. It's so bloody obvious that 35 quid is a give-away price. Consider that Sibelius Software charged 180 for their last upgrade to someone who had bought new some 14 months previous and yet DP's upgrade is bursting with added features by comparison. If DP charged 90 it would still represent wonderful value considering the work put into the features from 2.46 on, plus the new manual, plus the support. In the earlier discussions (XPress import/export, and the Windows port). Martin Vethake indicated that doing a Win version is itself a fulltime job. That has set me thinking that further development of OPro must slow down to a halt during the production and testing of the Win port. Although there is no direct mention of the possibility, I just wonder if indeed we have seen the last evolution of RO OvPro for this year and the next. Particularly when compounded by the next job to do, which will be the platform independent version. just when you thought D Pilling wasn't leaving after all... JW -- ---------------- HEADLINES: "WinME sells 250,000 in first four days" Which according to our calculations means there are 43.4 of them born every minute... ---------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Oct 2 22:33:48 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134629 for opro ; Mon, 02 Oct 100 22:33:46 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970519290:20:26863:14; Mon, 02 Oct 2000 20:41:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2108601; 2 Oct 2000 20:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA29078 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 20:40:37 +0100 Received: from mail1.svr.pol.co.uk (mail1.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.18]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA29075 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 20:40:35 +0100 Received: from modem-225.new-hampshire.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.80.225] helo=jaycee) by mail1.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 13gCMh-0002zx-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 02 Oct 2000 21:39:11 +0100 Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 21:21:35 GMT From: John Charman To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Ovation errors Message-ID: <44ff5b074a.JayCee@jstp.freeserve.co.uk> X-Organization: JaySoft User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.03) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Can anyone please stop me tearing my hair out. I have just changed to OvPro from Publisher for producing my monthly chess magazine and all seemed well in the last four or five momths as I produced templates and checked out styles etc but.... every time I try to embed an object, a picture frame containing a draw file of a board, into some text (in a 3 column frame) I get an error type 2 whatever that means. It worked when I tried it in testing so what in earth am I doing wrong. While writing I might as well get my moneys worth and also ask why when I drag a StrongEd text file into a text frame the text is in the wrong font and in italic, I have to select it all, select another style then select the base text style again to get it right. Other odd things happen such as disappearing text which can only be retrieved by scrolling to another page then back again etc etc; I have not troubled David with any of these but chose to wait to see if they are all fixed in the new edition which I had hoped tol receive before my first OvPro magazine went out in November but as I have to start on it now I have to use the old version. Will someone please tell me that these little niggles are not the fault of the Kinetic card which I now very much regret buying......... Be seeing you JayCee -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 3 02:45:10 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134655 for opro ; Tue, 03 Oct 100 02:45:08 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970526010:10:24405:28; Mon, 02 Oct 2000 22:33:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1025495; 2 Oct 2000 22:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA29506 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 22:32:10 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA29503 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 22:32:09 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13gE6H-000MoO-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 22:30:21 +0000 Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 23:11:48 GMT Message-Id: <134636@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ovation errors X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >every time I try to embed an object, a picture frame containing a draw >file of a board, into some text (in a 3 column frame) I get an error >type 2 whatever that means. Type 2 is a divide by zero error. Something has zero size... >While writing I might as well get my moneys worth and also ask why when >I drag a StrongEd text file into a text frame the text is in the wrong >font and in italic, I have to select it all, select another style then >select the base text style again to get it right. Presumeably that is the style at the insert point. A frame which is empty does not necessarily have body text style. >Other odd things happen such as disappearing text which can only be >retrieved by scrolling to another page then back again etc etc; Redraw problems. Can be a number of things, e.g. it could be a bad font, but can be bugs, and it may be fixable by forcing a reflow of the text. >Will someone please tell me that these little niggles are not the fault >of the Kinetic card which I now very much regret buying......... I'm not aware of any outstanding problems caused by Kinetic (with any of my software). David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 3 02:45:10 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134656 for opro ; Tue, 03 Oct 100 02:45:08 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970525995:20:27469:18; Mon, 02 Oct 2000 22:33:15 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2026877; 2 Oct 2000 22:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA29491 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 22:31:46 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA29487 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 22:31:43 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13gE6G-000MoO-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 22:30:20 +0000 Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 23:09:03 GMT Message-Id: <134634@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Upgrade CD X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I'm working on a credit card payment option. I'll announce it here as soon as I can. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 3 02:45:14 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134657 for opro ; Tue, 03 Oct 100 02:45:11 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970526011:10:26002:19; Mon, 02 Oct 2000 22:33:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1025502; 2 Oct 2000 22:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA29490 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 22:31:44 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA29483 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 22:31:42 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13gE6E-000MoO-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 22:30:18 +0000 Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 22:41:03 GMT Message-Id: <134632@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Upgrade CD X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Although there is no direct mention of the possibility, I just wonder if >indeed we have seen the last evolution of RO OvPro for this year and the >next. It is difficult to not break the law of self fulfilling prophecy. If I say that this is the end of the line, then it very probably will be. I certainly don't want to play the "if you don't buy it you're letting the side down" card, IMHO we've seen that of late and its all wrong. The only sensible reason to write software and to sell it is that it serves a purpose and is useful to people (i.e. not to make money or because someone who isn't going to use it thinks it should be written). If there aren't many or any users then I should be employing my talents elsewhere. No doubt anyone with a RISC OS machine now, accepts the risk, that at some point they will be writing off a large investment and doing a crash course (ho ho) in using Windows. Well so it goes with the Ovation Pro upgrade CD. There are no promises about the future. But yes a Win version of OPro would mean at least a six month break from RISC OS, and would very probably mean the end of the RISC OS version. Out there beyond the blue screen there are all sorts of temptations like C++ compilers and once you make some changes or improve something that will be the end for the old version. Plenty of examples Sibelius, Xara etc. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 3 02:45:26 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134662 for opro ; Tue, 03 Oct 100 02:45:22 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970532873:11:17144:24; Tue, 03 Oct 2000 00:27:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1118328; 3 Oct 2000 0:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA29972 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 00:26:57 +0100 Received: from mailhub.teliauk.com (root@mailhub.teliauk.com [195.12.225.36]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA29969 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 00:26:55 +0100 Received: from d1o314.teliauk.com (root@d1o314.teliauk.com [195.12.237.81]) by mailhub.teliauk.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e930U8A19080 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 01:30:08 +0100 (BST) Received: from gavinpc (t1o314p13.teliauk.com [195.12.238.13]) by d1o314.teliauk.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA09695 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 01:25:21 +0100 (GMT/BST) Message-ID: <002e01c02cd0$65b8bf40$0200a8c0@gavinpc> From: "Gavin Dewar" To: References: <134632@pilling.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Upgrade CD Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 01:25:12 +0100 Organization: Quercus Computer Systems MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Pilling" To: Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 11:41 PM Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Upgrade CD > It is difficult to not break the law of self fulfilling prophecy. > If I say that this is the end of the line, then it very probably will be. > I certainly don't want to play the "if you don't buy it you're letting > the side down" card, IMHO we've seen that of late and its all wrong. > > The only sensible reason to write software and to sell it is that it serves > a purpose and is useful to people (i.e. not to make money or because someone > who isn't going to use it thinks it should be written). If there aren't many > or any users then I should be employing my talents elsewhere. > > No doubt anyone with a RISC OS machine now, accepts the risk, that at some > point they will be writing off a large investment and doing a crash course > (ho ho) in using Windows. > > Well so it goes with the Ovation Pro upgrade CD. There are no promises > about the future. > > But yes a Win version of OPro would mean at least a six month break from > RISC OS, and would very probably mean the end of the RISC OS version. Out > there beyond the blue screen there are all sorts of temptations like C++ > compilers and once you make some changes or improve something that will be > the end for the old version. Plenty of examples Sibelius, Xara etc. > As an "Acorn user" since System1 and Atom, I **hate** having to admit it to myself, but I have come to the conclusion that there is no way the "Acorn" desktop hardware can keep up to date with the rapid developments elsewhere - the companies involved just do not have the required size ( I exclude Pace - but then they have 'other fish to fry'). The reason I still prefer to use my RiscPC ( A310 recently retired ) over the two Win boxes I have, is the ease of use and stability of the OS and the applications running on it - in principal the hardware is irrelevant. IMHO the only long term future for yourself David, and other RISC OS developers is to migrate to the 'other side', as have the others you mentioned above - who have shown that good, tight applications can be developed for Win98. My "head" says that I must (for my future security ) do all new Operating Manuals and admin on the Win boxes I would dearly love to be able do this with a Win version of OvationPro - and to move all my existing files over 8-) On the Win boxes I currently use Serif PagePlus which is pretty good but not as easy to use as Ovation Pro. The least said about using Word for DTP (or even simple word processing) the better!!! So yes David - if you can do it in six months then I will be a happy fan - I can continue to box and cox the two OS's till then. Much longer and I would have to reconsider what I use for my documentation. The business accounting software is currently being translated (www.accountz.com) Also the ROX developments are looking very interesting. Sorry if this is sounding like c.s.a.a ( which is significantly quiet of late ) Cheers all, Gavin P.S. Yes I have ordered the CD 8-) P.P.S. Anyone know of an app to run !Draw files under W98??? -- Gavin Dewar gavin@QuercusComputers.co.uk www.QuercusComputers.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 3 15:02:11 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134673 for opro ; Tue, 03 Oct 100 15:02:10 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970541374:20:15951:44; Tue, 03 Oct 2000 02:49:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2110352; 3 Oct 2000 2:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA30329 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 02:26:44 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA30325 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 02:26:40 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13gHlc-0002Q2-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 02:25:16 +0000 Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 02:54:03 GMT Message-Id: <134669@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Upgrade CD X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >and while we are at it, may i once again ask how you are going to >manage foreign translations, like german for example? No idea. Uffenkamp had a deal to do a German version with Beebug. Maybe they will want to do a translation of the CD. It remains to be discussed. >any chance that you make it possible to download those versions from >your website too? [like chris morison does for example in a smaller >way for his organizer] that would be a *lot* less hassle than i >experienced in the past. Well things like SparkFS have German translations built in. The problem with OPro is that it is a massive undertaking. This is why (rightly) Uffenkamp have tried to protect their efforts on the German translation. >everytime i send them in i pay 30 DM for the upgrade >i hope you do see a part of that money? I don't. But if they're keeping the translated resources and so on up to date, they're earning it. Bottom line on the German version is that you can buy the (English) CD like anyone else. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 3 15:02:14 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134674 for opro ; Tue, 03 Oct 100 15:02:12 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970542369:20:05280:14; Tue, 03 Oct 2000 03:06:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2004695; 3 Oct 2000 3:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA30328 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 02:26:41 +0100 Received: from post.webmailer.de (natmail2.webmailer.de [192.67.198.65]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA25010 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 16:29:46 +0100 Received: from ngi.de (p3EE0A0EC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [62.224.160.236]) by post.webmailer.de (8.9.3/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA20660 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 18:28:22 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 18:31:25 +0200 From: march To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Upgrade CD Message-ID: <7298bd064a.march@gmx.net> References: <134514@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <134514@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 X-Editor: Zap 1.44 (19 May 2000) [TEST 3], ZapEmail 0.25 (27 May 2000) test-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id QAA25011 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro [resent with appropriate mailaddress] David Pilling wrote on 30 Sep: > And given the cash raising nature of the exercise I've no plans > to allow sales of the upgrade via dealers. given my experiences with some dealers i can understand that ... :-) > However I may try to set up a credit card payment facility for those > who need it. definitely appreciated here! VISA here BTW. > I have tried to negotiate a good deal but its not come to pass. > As of now then you'd be looking at paying an extra 10% for the privilige. thats allright for me [though the less the better ;-)] and while we are at it, may i once again ask how you are going to manage foreign translations, like german for example? any chance that you make it possible to download those versions from your website too? [like chris morison does for example in a smaller way for his organizer] that would be a *lot* less hassle than i experienced in the past. to sketch it in a bit i sent all my disks to my dealer in january, got them back [less the colour separation disk which seems to be lost] in july and am now at version 2.53g everytime i send them in i pay 30 DM for the upgrade [taking the purchasing power into account it is around 17 pounds -> half of your cd] i hope you do see a part of that money? so downloading upgrades seems to be easier and a bit faster somehow. best regards and thank you for all your energy put into your progs! march. germany -- www.riscos.org - reduzimos os riscos dos computadores -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 3 15:02:18 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134675 for opro ; Tue, 03 Oct 100 15:02:15 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970540504:10:01512:15; Tue, 03 Oct 2000 02:35:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1110888; 3 Oct 2000 2:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA30319 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 02:26:38 +0100 Received: from post.webmailer.de (natmail2.webmailer.de [192.67.198.65]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA25014 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 16:29:48 +0100 Received: from ngi.de (p3EE0A0EC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [62.224.160.236]) by post.webmailer.de (8.9.3/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA20705 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 18:28:24 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 18:30:58 +0200 From: march To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Upgrade CD Message-ID: References: <134514@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4A0649325F%mik.towse@xemik.com> In-Reply-To: <4A0649325F%mik.towse@xemik.com> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 X-Editor: Zap 1.44 (19 May 2000) [TEST 3], ZapEmail 0.25 (27 May 2000) test-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro [resent with appropriate mailaddress] Mik Towse wrote on 30 Sep: > In article <134514@pilling.demon.co.uk> David Pilling wrote: > [snip] > > However I may try to set up a credit card payment facility for those who > > need it. I have tried to negotiate a good deal but its not come to pass. > > As of now then you'd be looking at paying an extra 10% for the privilige. > I bought a shareware prog' from the Netherlands via a web-based credit card > service (REGNET) recently. Could this be an option for non-UK based > purchasers? I assume that it is still possible to add a surcharge & send > the s/w by post. like chris morison does on www.organizer.ukgateway.net/order.htm ? he uses www.uksharereg.com though it seems to be for shareware registration? and they also seem to charge 10 % ... best regards, march. -- www.riscos.org - reduzimos os riscos dos computadores -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 3 15:02:50 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134683 for opro ; Tue, 03 Oct 100 15:02:46 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970556064:10:28873:16; Tue, 03 Oct 2000 06:54:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1028676; 3 Oct 2000 6:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA31161 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 06:42:16 +0100 Received: from fep3-orange.clear.net.nz (fep3-orange.clear.net.nz [203.97.32.3]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA31158 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 06:42:12 +0100 Received: from ijm.clear.net.nz (b002-m001-p002.acld.clear.net.nz [203.167.198.2]) by fep3-orange.clear.net.nz (1.5/1.8) with S Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 17:02:08 +0000 (GMT) From: Ian J Melville Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Upgrade CD To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <134634@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 02 Oct, David Pilling wrote: > > I'm working on a credit card payment option. I'll announce it here > as soon as I can. > > > > David Pilling > > -- > email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk > web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling > web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk > post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. > fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 > > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message > Hey David This would be wonderful! Cheers -- Ian J. Melville RD 1 Ph/Fax +64-0-9-433-2225 Tangiteroria 0351 Cell +64-0-25-818-513 Aotearoa/New Zealand email ijm@clear.net.nz Webpage http://Ian_J_Melville.tripod.com _____________________________________________________________________________ It may be that your sole purpose in life is simply to serve as warning to others. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 3 15:02:55 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134686 for opro ; Tue, 03 Oct 100 15:02:52 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970565027:20:15458:30; Tue, 03 Oct 2000 09:23:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2015354; 3 Oct 2000 9:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA31760 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 09:18:18 +0100 Received: from smtp-server.nlr.nl (spider.nlr.nl [137.17.80.200]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA31757 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 09:18:16 +0100 Received: from nararch.nlr.nl (nararch.nlr.nl [137.17.168.66]) by smtp-server.nlr.nl (8.10.1/8.10.1/NLR 29/03/2000) with SMTP id e939GMI4752188; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 11:16:22 +0200 (CDT) Disclaimer: "The National Aerospace Laboratory NLR DOES NOT ACCEPT ANY FINANCIAL COMMITMENT derived from this message." Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 11:16:17 +0200 From: "F.R. Polak" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Upgrade CD Message-ID: <046e9d074a.polak@nararch.nlr.nl> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: NLR User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message 3 Oct Ian J Melville wrote: > On Mon 02 Oct, David Pilling wrote: > > > > I'm working on a credit card payment option. I'll announce it here > > as soon as I can. > > > > > > > > David Pilling > > > Hey David > > This would be wonderful! > > Cheers I second that! -- Frits R. Polak National Aerospace Laboratory (NLR), Amsterdam Airports Department phone : +31-(0)20-5113543; fax: +31-(0)20-5113210 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 3 15:03:04 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134689 for opro ; Tue, 03 Oct 100 15:03:01 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970558334:10:07185:18; Tue, 03 Oct 2000 07:32:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1006601; 3 Oct 2000 7:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA31329 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 07:30:21 +0100 Received: from mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (mta06-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.46]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA31326 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 07:30:19 +0100 Received: from pbready ([62.252.155.49]) by mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with SMTP id <20001003072852.HBVH19246.mta06-svc.ntlworld.com@pbready> for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 08:28:52 +0100 Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 08:28:45 +0100 From: Pete Bready To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Upgrade CD Message-ID: References: <134632@pilling.demon.co.uk> <002e01c02cd0$65b8bf40$0200a8c0@gavinpc> In-Reply-To: <002e01c02cd0$65b8bf40$0200a8c0@gavinpc> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <002e01c02cd0$65b8bf40$0200a8c0@gavinpc> "Gavin Dewar" wrote: > > P.S. Yes I have ordered the CD 8-) > P.P.S. Anyone know of an app to run !Draw files under W98??? FireworkZ IIRC - and isn't there a Windoze version of Textease which I'd imagine would handle Drawfiles. And maybe Xara - even if it means importing the file into Artworks then out as Artworks EPS first? Or you could try !Draw2WMF, although the results are mixed in my experience. -- Pete Bready pbready@ntlworld.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 3 15:03:07 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134692 for opro ; Tue, 03 Oct 100 15:03:05 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970580248:20:27940:16; Tue, 03 Oct 2000 13:37:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2027883; 3 Oct 2000 13:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA32480 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 13:29:12 +0100 Received: from mars.skynet.co.uk ([195.188.45.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA32475 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 13:25:56 +0100 Received: from pebblesculpt.co.uk (212-46-129-78.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.129.78]) by mars.skynet.co.uk (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id e93DNBm29029 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 14:23:11 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 14:19:30 +0100 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Upgrade CD Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <134469@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS X-System: RISC OS 3.7 StrongArm 2-slice RiscPC 48MB+2MB / AKF85 X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R > Ovation Pro Upgrade CD Will be needing two copies for two computers, but only one computer has a CD ROM drive. Can an installation be trasfered from one machine to the other by the mundane file copying method? Brian. -- Brian O'Carroll brian@pebblesculpt.co.uk http://www.pebblesculpt.co.uk 183 Aston Clinton Road, Aylesbury, Bucks HP22 5AD Tel: (+44) 01296 632431 Mobile phone: 07909 918370 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 3 15:04:44 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134695 for opro ; Tue, 03 Oct 100 15:04:42 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970561367:10:03253:17; Tue, 03 Oct 2000 08:22:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1002251; 3 Oct 2000 8:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA31553 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 08:20:11 +0100 Received: from smtp2.jakinternet.co.uk (proxy.jakinternet.co.uk [212.41.43.4]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA31550 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 08:20:09 +0100 Received: from smtp.jakinternet.co.uk (smtp.jakinternet.co.uk [212.41.41.61]) by smtp2.jakinternet.co.uk (Postfix) with SMTP id 57CF9A774F for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 09:12:44 +0100 (BST) Received: from martinl.redhotant.com ([212.187.164.154]) by smtp.jakinternet.co.uk ; Tue, 03 Oct 2000 09:16:35 -0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Martin Longley To: Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 09:12:28 +0100 Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Upgrade CD Message-ID: <4a07979682martinl@redhotant.com> In-Reply-To: <002e01c02cd0$65b8bf40$0200a8c0@gavinpc> References: <134632@pilling.demon.co.uk> <002e01c02cd0$65b8bf40$0200a8c0@gavinpc> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <002e01c02cd0$65b8bf40$0200a8c0@gavinpc>, Gavin Dewar wrote: [Snip] > P.P.S. Anyone know of an app to run !Draw files under W98??? AspexDraw from Aspex Software - excellent program Martin Longley -- martinl@redhotant.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From martin.devon@stonar.wilts.sch.uk Tue Oct 3 15:04:57 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134700 for opro ; Tue, 03 Oct 100 15:04:56 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970577543:10:08921:6; Tue, 03 Oct 2000 12:52:23 GMT Received: from pegasus.mail.eclipse.net.uk ([212.104.129.225]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1007610; 3 Oct 2000 12:51 GMT Received: from StonarWeb (212-104-133-17.access.eclipse.net.uk [212.104.133.17]) by pegasus.mail.eclipse.net.uk (Postfix) with SMTP id 843D14F9F3 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 13:51:23 +0100 (BST) Received: from 1.0.128.252 by StonarWeb with SMTP (Navaho Server Suite v2.4.5 [Linux/i686]); Tue, 03 Oct 2000 13:51:08 BST X-Sender: Martin.Devon@stonar.wilts.sch.uk Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 13:49:41 +0000 (GMT) From: Martin Devon Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Upgrade CD To: David Pilling In-Reply-To: <134669@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Stonar School, Melksham, UK. +44 (0) 1225 702309 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.42] David What arrangements do you intend for site licenced versions? Regards -- Martin Devon Stonar School From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 3 18:53:54 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134710 for opro ; Tue, 03 Oct 100 18:53:51 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970585844:10:24001:14; Tue, 03 Oct 2000 15:10:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1119462; 3 Oct 2000 15:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA00424 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:05:18 +0100 Received: from mserv1e.vianw.co.uk (mserv1e.vianw.co.uk [195.102.240.97]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA00421 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:05:16 +0100 Received: from [194.119.179.59] (helo=Caslon.english.co.uk) by mserv1e.vianw.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.10 #37) id 13gTbf-0006K9-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 16:03:47 +0100 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Tue, 03 Oct 2000 16:02:52 +0100 Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 16:02:36 +0100 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Upgrade CD Message-ID: <1123bd74a%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <134632@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > >Although there is no direct mention of the possibility, I just wonder if > >indeed we have seen the last evolution of RO OvPro for this year and the > >next. > > It is difficult to not break the law of self fulfilling prophecy. > > If I say that this is the end of the line, then it very probably will be. > > I certainly don't want to play the "if you don't buy it you're letting > the side down" card, IMHO we've seen that of late and its all wrong. > > The only sensible reason to write software and to sell it is that it serves > a purpose and is useful to people (i.e. not to make money or because someone > who isn't going to use it thinks it should be written). If there aren't many > or any users then I should be employing my talents elsewhere. > > No doubt anyone with a RISC OS machine now, accepts the risk, that at some > point they will be writing off a large investment and doing a crash course > (ho ho) in using Windows. Well, from a commercial point of view, I wouldn't overstate the investment risk. We've had to take an increasingly hard look at our investment in Risc OS hardware & software. There is no problem in justifying it in itself - for all the reasons that I don't have to rehearse here - but the business environment for companies heavily dependent on Risc OS has become steadily less secure. How do I know whether we're about to have another RiscOS renaissance (after all there have been a remarkable number of hardware innovations in the last year or so) or whether the entire thing is going down the tubes? That is not a good context in which to make business plans. There's a wonderful line by John Cleese in 'Clockwise' where he says something like 'It's not the despair. I can deal with the despair. It's the hope that's the problem!' We now take a very pragmatic approach. Does a decision to continue basing our print production around Risc OS and Ovation Pro make sense on a six month horizon? If we had to scrap the lot within 12 months, would we have made a loss? The answer so far is no. Even the hardware costs are trivial compared to the (a) the software costs on other platforms (we already have about 1000 GBP invested in PDF software on the PC alone, and what do you think a complete Quark/Photoshop/Illustrator set up costs nowadays with all the plug-ins?) (b) the extra productivity we gain from using OvPro rather than the competition on the PC or Mac. It is true that we are gradually migrating - in the sense that more of our work requires us to use Macs and PCs because Risc OS can't provide alternatives. For example, audio & video editing doesn't make sense to us any more on the Risc PC compared to the PC. And web site development & broswer facilities on the Risc PC are so far behind other platforms that we couldn't be taken seriously if we used them. By the way, our order for the CD went off on Saturday! David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 3 18:54:30 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134717 for opro ; Tue, 03 Oct 100 18:54:28 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970593430:20:17619:20; Tue, 03 Oct 2000 17:17:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2108165; 3 Oct 2000 17:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA00784 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 17:07:29 +0100 Received: from host1.kbnet.co.uk (IDENT:root@host1.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA00781 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 17:07:27 +0100 Received: from akalat (dialup023.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.55]) by host1.kbnet.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA11349 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 18:03:23 +0100 Message-ID: <006101c02d5c$458ec700$de94a8c2@akalat> From: "Mike Williams" To: References: <001401c02247$e4ee0380$c394a8c2@akalat> <4a03257285marteng@intonet Subject: Re: Help Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 18:03:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Just a big 'thankyou' to all those who responded to my request for help. It's the kind of response you expect from the Acorn community. A Case Study for the October issue is now complete and with the printers, and I have several more leads to follow up. I will be contacting everybody individually about their ideas, but could 'Arnold' from Tekst and Uitleg contact me direct as there was no email contact in the posting. Mike Williams Akalat Publishing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 3 20:31:35 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134724 for opro ; Tue, 03 Oct 100 20:31:33 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970600130:10:02508:14; Tue, 03 Oct 2000 19:08:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1106519; 3 Oct 2000 19:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA01096 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 19:01:21 +0100 Received: from hinge3.mistral.co.uk (hinge3.mistral.co.uk [195.184.228.58]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA01093 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 19:01:19 +0100 Received: from s.v.ellacott.mistral.co.uk (d224-169.dial.mistral.co.uk [195.184.224.169]) by hinge3.mistral.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA16565 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 18:59:46 GMT (envelope-from s.w.ellacott@brighton.ac.uk) Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 19:43:27 +0100 (BST) From: Steve Ellacott Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Upgrade CD To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <134632@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: University of Brighton X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Mon 02 Oct, David Pilling wrote: > > But yes a Win version of OPro would mean at least a six month break from > RISC OS, and would very probably mean the end of the RISC OS version. Out > there beyond the blue screen there are all sorts of temptations like C++ > compilers and once you make some changes or improve something that will be > the end for the old version. Plenty of examples Sibelius, Xara etc. > But Xara was a flop, and rumour has it that the PC Sibelius is actually not as good in some ways as Sib7. You are right about a decent C++ compiler, of course. (Or rather the associated tools, since both gnu and ARM have good compilers). But don't give up yet. BTW my order will come shortly. Steve -- Steve Ellacott, School of Computing and Mathematical Sciences, University of Brighton, Moulsecoomb, BN2 4GJ, UK Tel: Home (01273) 885845 Office: (01273) 642544 Fax: Home (01273) 270183 Office: (01273) 642405 WWW: http://www.it.brighton.ac.uk/staff/swe -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 3 21:43:15 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134730 for opro ; Tue, 03 Oct 100 21:43:12 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970602790:20:01494:15; Tue, 03 Oct 2000 19:53:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2000878; 3 Oct 2000 19:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA01296 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 19:49:48 +0100 Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net (monsoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA01292 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 19:49:43 +0100 Received: (qmail 1358 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2000 19:48:19 -0000 Received: from userfo72.uk.uudial.com (HELO RPC) (62.188.25.104) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 3 Oct 2000 19:48:19 -0000 Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 19:33:40 +0100 From: Mik Towse To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Upgrade CD Message-ID: <4A07D075DE%mik.towse@xemik.com> References: <134632@pilling.demon.co.uk> <002e01c02cd0$65b8bf40$0200a8c0@gavinpc> In-Reply-To: <002e01c02cd0$65b8bf40$0200a8c0@gavinpc> X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.10d POPstar/2.02 X-Editor: Zap 1.42, using ZapEmail 0.24 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <002e01c02cd0$65b8bf40$0200a8c0@gavinpc> Gavin Dewar wrote: > P.P.S. Anyone know of an app to run !Draw files under W98??? There is a Windoze prog' called OakDraw which I believe can edit Drawfiles. I can't get at the PC to check; my son is using it. (A PC game which runs directly from the CD. ) -- Mik Towse * mik.towse@xemik.com * http://www.xemik.com/ My writers' site can be found at: http://www.lexis.org.uk My brain hurts! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 3 21:43:17 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134731 for opro ; Tue, 03 Oct 100 21:43:16 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970603019:10:26584:14; Tue, 03 Oct 2000 19:56:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1129397; 3 Oct 2000 19:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA01295 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 19:49:45 +0100 Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net (monsoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA01288 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 19:49:42 +0100 Received: (qmail 1351 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2000 19:48:18 -0000 Received: from userfo72.uk.uudial.com (HELO RPC) (62.188.25.104) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 3 Oct 2000 19:48:18 -0000 Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 19:29:31 +0100 From: Mik Towse To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Upgrade CD Message-ID: <4A07D01461%mik.towse@xemik.com> References: <134514@pilling.demon.co.uk> <7298bd064a.march@gmx.net> In-Reply-To: <7298bd064a.march@gmx.net> X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.10d POPstar/2.02 X-Editor: Zap 1.42, using ZapEmail 0.24 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <7298bd064a.march@gmx.net> march wrote: > David Pilling wrote on 30 Sep: > > However I may try to set up a credit card payment facility for those > > who need it. > definitely appreciated here! VISA here BTW. How about switching to a credit card company which issues C/C cheques? ;-) -- Mik Towse * mik.towse@xemik.com * http://www.xemik.com/ My writers' site can be found at: http://www.lexis.org.uk It is difficult to soar with eagles when you work with turkeys. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 4 01:34:51 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134738 for opro ; Wed, 04 Oct 100 01:34:43 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970606227:10:22684:14; Tue, 03 Oct 2000 20:50:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1019347; 3 Oct 2000 20:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA01577 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 20:44:52 +0100 Received: from host1.kbnet.co.uk (IDENT:root@host1.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA01574 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 20:44:50 +0100 Received: from akalat (dialup031.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.193]) by host1.kbnet.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA20386 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 21:40:48 +0100 Message-ID: <014f01c02d7a$795be720$de94a8c2@akalat> From: "Mike Williams" To: References: <5.0.0.25.0.20000915042153.009e8eb0@pop.freeuk.net> <9e1dbb014a.sam@loudounhill.fsnet.co.uk> <001201c0252b$f59862c0 Subject: Re: Help Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 20:49:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Mik Thanks for the suggestion - you were not the only one, but I am not sure how the redoubtable David would respond to his cloak of anonymity being stripped away. Mind you it's not a bad idea... Thanks Mike Williams Akalat Publishing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 4 01:34:58 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134739 for opro ; Wed, 04 Oct 100 01:34:55 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970606304:11:09439:16; Tue, 03 Oct 2000 20:51:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1023554; 3 Oct 2000 20:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA01584 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 20:45:05 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA01581 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 20:45:03 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13gYuZ-000GYk-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 20:43:39 +0000 Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 20:33:25 GMT Message-Id: <134727@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Upgrade CD X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >What arrangements do you intend for site licenced versions? As I said the upgrade conditions are just the same as for single user copies. If you bought the program from me then it is free, if it was from Beebug it costs ukp 35. >But Xara was a flop, and rumour has it that the PC Sibelius is actually not >as good in some ways as Sib7. But they are good examples of how a PC version of a program is not portable back to RISC OS and effectively finishes off the RISC OS version. Yes they have not conquered the PC world to the extent their authors may have wished, but thats another matter. I can't comment on Sib but Xara seems a very nice program and they are still working on it. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 4 01:35:14 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134744 for opro ; Wed, 04 Oct 100 01:35:13 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970610086:10:03756:15; Tue, 03 Oct 2000 21:54:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1109880; 3 Oct 2000 21:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA01985 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 21:52:36 +0100 Received: from murphys-outbound.servers.plus.net ([212.159.14.225]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA01982 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 21:52:33 +0100 Received: (qmail 27206 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2000 21:50:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (212.159.25.227) by murphys with SMTP; 3 Oct 2000 21:50:29 -0000 Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 21:48:30 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: Draw files in Win98 (was Ovation Pro Upgrade CD) To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <002e01c02cd0$65b8bf40$0200a8c0@gavinpc> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Tue 03 Oct, Gavin Dewar wrote: > P.P.S. Anyone know of an app to run !Draw files under W98??? > I guess Oak Draw will still work - the demo version I downloaded from http://www.dialsolutions.com/ was for win 3.1x though, and I wasn't very impressed. Does Corel Xara read !Draw files? I think there is a demo for Win9x available at http://xaraxone.i-us.com/ When I needed a Win drawing program recently I used Serif Draw Plus Intro (from a 1995 magazine disc) and printed to EPS which I imported to Opro. It just took a bit of trial and error to position it - no preview and graphic centred in an A4 size EPS. Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 4 01:35:17 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134745 for opro ; Wed, 04 Oct 100 01:35:15 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970610092:10:03958:15; Tue, 03 Oct 2000 21:54:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1001517; 3 Oct 2000 21:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA01980 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 21:51:54 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA01977 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 21:51:52 +0100 Received: from userav53.uk.uudial.com (62.188.138.100) [62.188.138.100] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13gZxD-0007Mt-00; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 22:50:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 22:40:08 +0100 Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Upgrade CD Message-ID: <4a07e1880bsteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <134632@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Steve Ellacott wrote: > But Xara was a flop, Interesting you should say that since the features in Xara were labelled as quite interesting by the guys in our Medical Illustration department, but when they enquired all dealers pointed them at Corel literature and the Corel line was that "you really ought to buy Corel Draw..." So probably not so much a flop, as flopped on. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 4 13:54:24 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134754 for opro ; Wed, 04 Oct 100 13:54:23 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970625793:10:00996:14; Wed, 04 Oct 2000 02:16:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1000881; 4 Oct 2000 2:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA02639 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 02:14:43 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA02636 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 02:14:41 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13ge3Z-0004ZF-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 02:13:17 +0000 Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 01:38:32 GMT Message-Id: <134749@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Upgrade CD X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Will be needing two copies for two computers, but only one computer has a >CD ROM drive. Can an installation be trasfered from one machine to the >other by the mundane file copying method? Yes no problem. The CD has one big archive of all the OPro stuff on it. You can copy that archive to hard disc, or any of the components in it, run OPro from inside the archive, etc. etc. The only 'protection' is that OPro displays your name, address and serial number when it starts up. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 4 13:54:30 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134757 for opro ; Wed, 04 Oct 100 13:54:27 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970643843:20:19107:17; Wed, 04 Oct 2000 07:17:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2017825; 4 Oct 2000 7:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA03230 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 07:12:25 +0100 Received: from cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.171]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA03227 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 07:12:23 +0100 Received: from modem-52.amoxicillin.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.78.180] helo=wjmurphy.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 13gihf-0007iI-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 04 Oct 2000 08:11:00 +0100 Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 08:04:34 +0100 (BST) From: W J Murphy Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Upgrade CD To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <4a07e1880bsteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: The Free Account (That means I ain't paying!) X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Tue 03 Oct, Steven Pampling wrote: > In article , > Steve Ellacott wrote: > > But Xara was a flop, > > Interesting you should say that since the features in Xara were labelled as > quite interesting by the guys in our Medical Illustration department, but > when they enquired all dealers pointed them at Corel literature and the > Corel line was that "you really ought to buy Corel Draw..." > > So probably not so much a flop, as flopped on. Which is probably why, having gone from Xara Studio to Corel Xara, then Corel Xara 2, they have now decided to reclaim the product and market the latest version as Xara-X. Corel Xara 2 and Xara-X can only be bought via their website. A flop in the PC world still sells enough to maintain its own development, without tempting Computer Concepts to recode it back to the Acorn platform. -- Bill Murphy http://www.wjmurphy.freeserve.co.uk mailto:Billy@wjmurphy.freeserve.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 4 13:54:34 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134759 for opro ; Wed, 04 Oct 100 13:54:32 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970644074:20:27063:17; Wed, 04 Oct 2000 07:21:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2127594; 4 Oct 2000 7:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA03284 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 07:19:05 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA03281 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 07:19:04 +0100 Received: from useri405.uk.uudial.com (194.69.106.15) [194.69.106.15] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13gio7-0006ea-00; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 08:17:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: Ovation Pro List Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 01:11:13 +0100 Subject: Re: Draw files in Win98 (was Ovation Pro Upgrade CD) Message-ID: <4a07ef5ce3steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <002e01c02cd0$65b8bf40$0200a8c0@gavinpc> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Anthony Hilton wrote: > I guess Oak Draw will still work - the demo version I downloaded from > http://www.dialsolutions.com/ was for win 3.1x though, and I wasn't very > impressed. I had it installed and working under NT so it's obviously not too fussy. As you say non-too impressive though. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 4 13:54:52 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134766 for opro ; Wed, 04 Oct 100 13:54:48 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970654311:10:25031:21; Wed, 04 Oct 2000 10:11:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1108515; 4 Oct 2000 10:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA03820 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 10:06:10 +0100 Received: from smtp8.xs4all.nl (smtp8.xs4all.nl [194.109.127.134]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA03817 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 10:06:07 +0100 Received: from ecdbv.xs4all.nl (dc2-modem742.dial.xs4all.nl [194.109.130.230]) by smtp8.xs4all.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA17074 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 12:04:38 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 12:05:54 +0200 (BST) From: Andr van den Berg Subject: Thanks! (fwd) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: ECD Computers, Holland. +31703072040/Fax+31703072050 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id KAA03818 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id KAB03820 Status: R Hello, I would like to thank everybody who contributed to =90the continuing RSI story=91. It has been very helpful, not the least for myself! Met vriendelijke groet / Kind regards, Andre van den Berg -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 4 13:54:57 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134768 for opro ; Wed, 04 Oct 100 13:54:55 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970656009:10:22478:14; Wed, 04 Oct 2000 10:40:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1104156; 4 Oct 2000 10:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA03938 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 10:32:49 +0100 Received: from grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net (grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net [193.67.237.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA03935 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 10:32:40 +0100 Received: from padua by grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net via 1Cust19.tnt14.rtm1.nl.uu.net [213.116.122.19] with SMTP for id MAA17478 (8.8.8/1.19); Wed, 4 Oct 2000 12:31:02 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <008701c02ded$d2b88120$4d01a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: "Ovation Pro" References: <134632@pilling.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Upgrade CD Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 12:27:46 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On 03 Oct 2000, David Pilling wrote: > > >Although there is no direct mention of the possibility, I just wonder if > >indeed we have seen the last evolution of RO OvPro for this year and the > >next. > > It is difficult to not break the law of self fulfilling prophecy. > > If I say that this is the end of the line, then it very probably will be. > > I certainly don't want to play the "if you don't buy it you're letting > the side down" card, IMHO we've seen that of late and its all wrong. > > The only sensible reason to write software and to sell it is that it serves > a purpose and is useful to people (i.e. not to make money or because someone > who isn't going to use it thinks it should be written). If there aren't many > or any users then I should be employing my talents elsewhere. > > No doubt anyone with a RISC OS machine now, accepts the risk, that at some > point they will be writing off a large investment and doing a crash course > (ho ho) in using Windows. IMO it doesn't have to be this way for programmer and/or user. Of course the programmer has to make a living and a dedicated programmer wants to write and sell software the way you described as a sensible reason. Leaving the platform as a programmer is also a kind of destruction of a lot of knowledge and experience. Probably even a bigger loss than the missing hardware. However, maybe, these programming qualities can serve 'two' platforms: an Ovation Pro on Windows that can be used as an 'intermediair' for people who prefer using the RISC OS version with proper import/export to the big Windows world and/or can be used as a stand-alone Windows application. Of course, this is only wishful thinking of a user of both platforms ... > Well so it goes with the Ovation Pro upgrade CD. There are no promises > about the future. > > But yes a Win version of OPro would mean at least a six month break from > RISC OS, and would very probably mean the end of the RISC OS version. Out > there beyond the blue screen there are all sorts of temptations like C++ > compilers and once you make some changes or improve something that will be > the end for the old version. Plenty of examples Sibelius, Xara etc. Another challenge could be developing/using anti-aliasing for TrueType fonts. CorelXARA has proved this is possible in all versions of Windows 9x and NT. This without the need of using PostScript fonts on screen, Adobe Type Manager the Luxe and Windows NT4. Fonts are very elimentary for a DTP program and to have good (as good as possible) screen display of fonts, makes the RISC OS platform a much better platform for DTP than Windows with its Truetypes. At least for the eyes. And beyond DTP programs, there are also all the wordprocessors, spreadsheets, databases, browsers and all others, in which Truetype fonts are used. CorelXARA doesn't support the import of fonts as text in RISC OS files. It doesn't support export to RISC OS at all. This doesn't have to be the same for Ovation Pro ... It also could be a challenge to make a 'mapping' facility between RISC OS fonts and TrueType fonts, used in Ovation Pro documents, assuming there will be also a Windows version ... . This 'mapping' has nothing to do with mapping to PostScript fonts for PostScript printing, only with the possibility to use the same document with the same fonts (in different format) transparantly on the different platforms. It can already be done with the two versions of Fireworkz Pro, however it needs adjustments for every font in one of the Config files. This isn't ideal, but it shows/proves, it can be done. As you say, there are no promsises for the future and there are a all sorts of temptations beyond the blue screen (of death). I hope, there will be enough temptations left in the RISC OS world or to connect the RISC OS world to the other world out there ... mrs. Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 4 18:01:13 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134790 for opro ; Wed, 04 Oct 100 18:01:11 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970678104:20:02392:15; Wed, 04 Oct 2000 16:48:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2108661; 4 Oct 2000 16:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA04976 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 16:42:47 +0100 Received: from mail11.svr.pol.co.uk (mail11.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.23]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA04973 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 16:42:44 +0100 Received: from modem-28.longnose-hawk.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.38.28] helo=magray.freeserve.co.uk) by mail11.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 13grbB-0006Xa-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 04 Oct 2000 17:41:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 17:35:03 +0100 Subject: Re: info please Message-ID: <4a08496fabrayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Keith Bamford wrote: > Please can anyone tell me of a sans serif font similar to Ladybird, ie > the geometric kind, which has a y as a u with curly tail? It is to > help infants learning to write and those are the y's they have to be > taught. Other requirements such a an a with a vertical stroke attached > to a circle and t with a cross bar and curly tail can be met by other > fonts but the y is causing a problem. Any suggestions welcome. Have you tried Sasson? That has a y with a curly tail. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 020 8864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 4 18:01:17 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134791 for opro ; Wed, 04 Oct 100 18:01:12 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970677143:11:24821:14; Wed, 04 Oct 2000 16:32:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1020130; 4 Oct 2000 16:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA04854 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 16:23:17 +0100 Received: from mutt.eurobell.net (qmailr@mutt.eurobell.net [212.24.65.70]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA04851 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 16:23:14 +0100 Received: (qmail 2826 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2000 07:13:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kbamford.eurobell.co.uk) (212.24.66.188) by mutt.eurobell.net with SMTP; 4 Oct 2000 07:13:35 -0000 Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 08:10:11 +0100 (BST) From: Keith Bamford Subject: info please To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Please can anyone tell me of a sans serif font similar to Ladybird, ie the geometric kind, which has a y as a u with curly tail? It is to help infants learning to write and those are the y's they have to be taught. Other requirements such a an a with a vertical stroke attached to a circle and t with a cross bar and curly tail can be met by other fonts but the y is causing a problem. Any suggestions welcome. Thanks Keith -- Keith Bamford mail to: kbamford@roada.org.uk Why not visit http://www.wyg-roada.org.uk http://www.roada.org.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 4 20:14:55 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134810 for opro ; Wed, 04 Oct 100 20:14:52 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970683038:10:27622:16; Wed, 04 Oct 2000 18:10:38 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1116495; 4 Oct 2000 18:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA05166 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 17:59:42 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA05159 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 17:59:40 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13gso2-00029b-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 17:58:14 +0000 Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 18:03:03 GMT Message-Id: <134792@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Upgrade CD X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >> No doubt anyone with a RISC OS machine now, accepts the risk, that at some >> point they will be writing off a large investment and doing a crash course >> (ho ho) in using Windows. >IMO it doesn't have to be this way for programmer and/or user. The point being that it may be the way things go. If users continue to depart at the rate they have in recent times, and if there continues to be no development of RISC OS. Its not something one has a choice in, it will just happen. >Leaving the platform as a programmer is also a kind of destruction of a lot >of knowledge and experience. Quite true and very irritating. I think we need to make a distinction though, there are now two versions of RISC OS, lets call one Desktop RISC OS (D-RISC OS) and the other Internet Appliance RISC OS (IA-RISC OS). Well IA-RISC OS has a rosy future at this point, and those producing it should hire someone who knows as much about it as I do 8-) That will make me happy and ensure my experience doesn't go to waste. But it doesn't necessarily help the cause of D-RISC OS. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 4 20:15:23 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134811 for opro ; Wed, 04 Oct 100 20:15:22 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970682609:20:19321:16; Wed, 04 Oct 2000 18:03:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2104675; 4 Oct 2000 18:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA05168 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 17:59:44 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA05164 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 17:59:42 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13gso5-00029b-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 17:58:18 +0000 Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 18:16:19 GMT Message-Id: <134794@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: info please X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Please can anyone tell me of a sans serif font similar to Ladybird ISTR seeing a font called Ladybird, why not use that? Feeling is that it was a PD thing. Consult the usual places then - whats that web site "Harrys Font Emporium"? David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 4 20:15:27 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134812 for opro ; Wed, 04 Oct 100 20:15:24 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970682805:20:26919:22; Wed, 04 Oct 2000 18:06:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2026694; 4 Oct 2000 18:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA05174 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 17:59:47 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA04557 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 14:07:19 +0100 Received: from barc.demon.co.uk ([194.222.19.11]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13gpBB-00074g-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 14:05:53 +0000 Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 13:35:11 +0100 (BST) From: MikeWilson Subject: Can we help St Pilling To: Ovation Pro Chat list In-Reply-To: <134632@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Like many of us I have admired and been thankful for all David has done for Acorn and the RISC OS community for many years. Equally I understand only too well that he has had to maintain an impregnable wall of privacy about himself to enable him to get on with his work. I don't know where the idea of Ovation first came from, but as a major chunk of software with a long development lead time, David had to have a marketing strategy which was different from his usual 'Buy direct from PO Box...' cloak cloak of anomymity. Sadly from our point of view his product was promoted and marketed by Beebug, which whilst it seemed like a good idea at the time, I think I can safely say, did not turn out to be as effective as David had hoped. As we all know, David eventually managed to salvage Ovation from Beebug and since that time he has expended time, effort and resources beyond all reason into the improvement and stabilisation of his 'baby'. At the same time, for all sorts of reasons, the RISC OS market was self destructing so that as David's product improved, the number of potential new purchasers was declining. Even worse, people who might have been interested in purchasing copies of Ovation Pro have quite probably never even heard of the package. As someone who has been involved in the organisation of the Wakefield Show for the past six years I, and my colleagues have been distressed to see that lack of exposure OP was getting, not only at our own show, but at all the other shows and promotional activities open in the Acorn community. Right from the beginning it was difficult to get Beebug to support our show and recently the position has become ridiculous. At this year's Wakefield show we had a world beating document processing package which had just grown a long awaited 'loader' for the decaying market leader and which many enthusiasts would regard as a gift from above. In the event, there were two exhibitors who has Ovation Pro on their stands and could give demonstrations, but with the best will in the world, both CJE and APDL were busy promoting their main business, and to the bulk of the people at the show it all remained a best kept secret. This is all highlighted by a recent exchange on this group where an overseas user asked 'Will you be at Epsom' and David replied, as of course he had to 'No'. Now the Acorn community has a strongly developed family spirit. In our case this is typified by the number of people who are pointing out to David that ukp35 for a major upgrade to a premium software package is ridiculously trivial and in no way a just reward for all his efforts. What I am leading up to is this . . . . If exhibition organisers were to provide stand space for Ovation Pro, are there enough enthusiastic users out there to create a team of volunteers to explain, demonstrate and sell copies of OP and upgrades to the eager punters? This is, of course, only an interim measure. Currently the RISC OS market has available a selection of new computers from several different manufacturers but at the same time the software side of the platform is just not there. Unless the developers can be encouraged by the prospect of a financial reward this situation is not going to change and the demise of our favourite platform looks inevitable. No one can blame David for developing a windows version of OP, although he is going to need some strong marketing to get it off the ground and we must wish him well. At the same time it is interesting to look at two other word handling packages in the RISC OS market. EasiWriter comes from a stable who first developed 'MacAuthor' and then handed the concept over to CC where it developed as Impression. Later Mike Glover and his team introduced !EasiWriter and !TechWriter and promoted thess by advertising, by being at all shows and exhibitions and by visiting User Groups and other marketing opportunities. More recently the products have been promoted by providing the ideal way of access to Windows and MS Word. Also versions of the product are being bundled with new computers with opportunities to upgrade to tge latest version. All this must be successful, as upgrades and enhancements appear regularly and are sold to eager waiting enthusiasts at realistic prices. I know that Icon are currently hedging their bets by developing a Mac version, but they are not showing signs of leaving the RISC OS field behind. Then look at Softease, a company who have a brilliant product. The program and design comex largely from one man, but there at least ten people in the company, their product is now available to run on RISC OS, PC and Mac and is pushed in the educational world by Textease centres tied in with local authority IT centres where there training and information facilities. Again, they are not going away. It can be done with proper marketing. This I feel is not David's forte. Is it to late to hope that he has not been too bruised by his past experience that, even at this stage, he might consider using a publisher with an established track record who might be able to gain him some decent income. Then when the Windows version is developed help with the launch and marketing of the new product? Oh, it it might all be helped if the current rumblings of a fully RISC OS version of C++ are, in fact, true. Come on out there, what do you all think we can do to help St David, he's done more than enough for us all in the past! Mike Wilson. -- Mike Wilson 0113-253-3722 mike@barc.demon.co.uk Hope to see you at WAKEFIELD 2001 - The Acorn RISC OS Show Opinions above are my personal views, but which I know are shared! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 4 20:15:30 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134813 for opro ; Wed, 04 Oct 100 20:15:28 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970682883:20:29458:23; Wed, 04 Oct 2000 18:08:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2028974; 4 Oct 2000 18:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA05178 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 17:59:50 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA05175 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 17:59:47 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13gsoB-00029b-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 17:58:23 +0000 Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 18:22:57 GMT Message-Id: <134798@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Can we help St Pilling X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I don't know where the idea of Ovation first came from Beebug. >EasiWriter comes from a stable who first developed 'MacAuthor' and >then handed the concept over to CC where it developed as Impression. But you're not implying there was any formal agreement between them are you. Because as I understand it at the time CC were writing Impression, Acorn went out and hired Icon to produce Techwriter. In fact whilst I was working on Ovation (not OPro, so circa 1989,1990) which was whilst Impression was being written, Icon approached me to see if I would be interested in working for them on Techwriter. Techwriter is a very good program, but it was nurtured by Acorn in the early years when it was up against an actively developed Impression. >Then look at Softease, a company who have a brilliant product. It is certainly very well positioned. You can see that one would have to sell OPro against Quark etc. on the PC (not easy), whilst Textease is something different, aimed at kids. It is impressive if they can keep 3 versions going, but I suspect they still have a healthy market in education for the RISC OS version. >It can be done with proper marketing. Yes you're right I must try harder. >Is it to late to hope that he has not been too bruised by his past >experience that, even at this stage, he might consider using a >publisher with an established track record So we get a wiz kid who manages to sell a 1000 copies of OPro in a couple of years and takes 80% of the turnover for his trouble. After he's done that sales collapse (obvious reasons the market is limited and shrinking) and I'm left to provide support for years to come. Been there, done that 8-) >Oh, it it might all be helped if the current rumblings of a fully RISC >OS version of C++ are, in fact, true. I wish we could decide that all optimistic rumblings (ever) have to turn in to actual fact by 1/1/2001 or be deemed untrue, otherwise we'll be hoping for a long time. Just as Pace may decide to save RISC OS on the desktop tomorrow (perfectly possible, doesn't break any law), we know that someone in ARM only has to sign a piece of paper for there to be a decent C++ compiler. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 4 20:15:33 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134814 for opro ; Wed, 04 Oct 100 20:15:31 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970683989:20:03584:17; Wed, 04 Oct 2000 18:26:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2102685; 4 Oct 2000 18:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA05394 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 18:23:19 +0100 Received: from latimer.mail.uk.easynet.net (latimer.mail.uk.easynet.net [195.40.1.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA05391 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 18:23:17 +0100 Received: from hatfield.mail.uk.easynet.net (hatfield.mail.uk.easynet.net [195.40.1.39]) by latimer.mail.uk.easynet.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 3864D539A6 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 19:21:51 +0100 (BST) Received: (qmail 3848 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2000 18:21:50 -0000 Received: from tnt-1-9.easynet.co.uk (HELO ) (195.40.206.9) by hatfield.mail.uk.easynet.net with SMTP; 4 Oct 2000 18:21:50 -0000 Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 19:10:39 +0100 From: dmorrell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: info please Message-ID: <523052084a.dmorrell@dmorrell.ukonline.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message Keith Bamford wrote: > Please can anyone tell me of a sans serif font similar to Ladybird, ie the > geometric kind, which has a y as a u with curly tail? It is to help infants > learning to write and those are the y's they have to be taught. Other > requirements such a an a with a vertical stroke attached to a circle and t > with a cross bar and curly tail can be met by other fonts but the y is > causing a problem. Any suggestions welcome. > > Thanks > > Keith > > -- I usually use Primary from EFF. I also have a font called Jumbo which I think came with Desk Top Folio. I think Christopher Jarman has also done some fonts which may help. Hope this helps Dave -- Dave Morrell Middlesbrough -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 4 20:15:40 2000