From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Oct 2 20:18:36 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134536 for opro ; Mon, 02 Oct 100 20:18:33 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970336626:10:20016:17; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 17:57:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1019780; 30 Sep 2000 17:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA21518 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 17:55:36 +0100 Received: from scrabble.freeuk.net (scrabble.freeuk.net [212.126.144.6]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA21483 for ; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 17:42:48 +0100 Received: from du-002-0234.freeuk.com ([212.126.156.234] helo=freeuk.net) by scrabble.freeuk.net with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1) id 13fQdX-0006LN-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 18:41:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: SPS To: Ovation Pro List Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 18:42:46 +0100 Subject: Re: Tab ruler Message-ID: <4a06404ad4sps@penniceard.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4a043c308drogerpenny@freeUK.com> User-Agent: Pluto/1.14e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Anthony Hilton wrote: > In on Tue 26 Sep, Roger Penniceard wrote: > > In Ovation the Tab ruler seems to always obscure what I > > want to look at so I can't see what I am doing and I then have to > > click OK to see the effect. > Sorry to but into a wish list - but remember how RISCOS style > compliant David's programs are! Click with Adjust on the OK button in > the Tab settings dialogue box to get them actioned without closing > the box, effectively a preview. > As for the Tab ruler obscuring the text you are wanting to set tab > positions for - the ruler appears directly above the position of the > cursor at the start of the selection. So if you type a number of > lines and then adjust click in the top one to select the Tab ruler > will be above the last line. Make the selection the other way by > putting the cursor in the top line and adjust click in the last line > for the ruler to be above the top line and not abscure the text you > are working with. > The only refinement (but minor once you understand how it is working) > would be to position the Tab ruler above the currently selected block > of text instead of above the cursor position. > Anthony Hilton Thank you for the suggestions. I was already using Adjust to get a preview but this is not as efficient as seeing what happens immediately the tab is moved. Your suggestion about the direction of highlighting is interesting and useful but hardly intuitive. If I had not been told it would have been difficult to discover. However even with these insights I still find the process clumsy. For example if I use the reverse highlighting and click for the tab ruler I end up with the entry/information box covering everything. I then have to move it before I do anything. Thus in Impression having highlighted my text I can immediately start moving my tabs seeing exactly what is going on. I Ovation I have to highlight remembering which direction I use according to where I want the tab bar. I then have to click or press Ctrl+Tab. I then have to move the entry box and finally I have to press Adjust to see what is happening. In addition in Impression I always can see what tabs are set in any section of text. I rest my case. Roger -- ||||| ||| ||| ||||| Roger Penniceard || || || || Specialist Psychological Services ||||| |||| ||||| 8 Loxley Road, London SW18 3LJ || || || Tel. +44 (0) 20 8874 1569 ||||| |||| ||||| sps@penniceard.freeserve.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Oct 2 20:18:38 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134538 for opro ; Mon, 02 Oct 100 20:18:37 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970350296:20:26108:15; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 21:44:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2119705; 30 Sep 2000 21:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA22196 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 21:43:07 +0100 Received: from mserv1b.vianw.co.uk (mserv1b.vianw.co.uk [195.102.240.137]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA22193 for ; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 21:43:05 +0100 Received: from [195.102.201.1] (helo=Caslon.english.co.uk) by mserv1b.vianw.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.10 #63) id 13fUO4-0006Zk-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 22:41:40 +0100 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 22:39:33 +0100 Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 22:38:51 +0100 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Upgrade CD Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Robin Phillips wrote: > David Pilling, > > > EPS support > > Sorry? I am not sure what E P S stands for. > Encapsulated Postscript - very useful if you want to incorporate a graphic produced by another application (even on another platform) and send the finished page to a printer. OvPro doesn't try and interpret or show the EPS graphic (unless it has a low resolution 'preview' bitmap image bundled with it) but it passes the necessary fragment of postscript to the printer at the right time when you print the page or run out film. As far as I know the EPS facility is pretty useless if you don't have a postscript printer, need to send stuff to a commercial printer, or create PDF files. But if you do prepare things for the press it is pretty well a neccesity. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Oct 2 20:18:43 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134540 for opro ; Mon, 02 Oct 100 20:18:41 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970354701:20:02986:14; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 22:58:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2002900; 30 Sep 2000 22:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA22405 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 22:55:02 +0100 Received: from dervish.mail.pipex.net (dervish.mail.pipex.net [158.43.192.70]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA22400 for ; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 22:55:00 +0100 Received: (qmail 27400 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2000 22:53:36 -0000 Received: from userap23.uk.uudial.com (HELO RPC) (62.188.135.238) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 2000 22:53:36 -0000 Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 20:20:02 +0100 From: Mik Towse To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Upgrade CD Message-ID: <4A0649325F%mik.towse@xemik.com> References: <134514@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <134514@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.10d POPstar/2.02 X-Editor: Zap 1.42, using ZapEmail 0.24 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <134514@pilling.demon.co.uk> David Pilling wrote: [snip] > However I may try to set up a credit card payment facility for those who > need it. I have tried to negotiate a good deal but its not come to pass. > As of now then you'd be looking at paying an extra 10% for the privilige. I bought a shareware prog' from the Netherlands via a web-based credit card service (REGNET) recently. Could this be an option for non-UK based purchasers? I assume that it is still possible to add a surcharge & send the s/w by post. -- Mik Towse * mik.towse@xemik.com * http://www.xemik.com/ My writers' site can be found at: http://www.lexis.org.uk The older a man gets, the farther he had to walk to school as a boy. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Oct 2 20:18:45 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134541 for opro ; Mon, 02 Oct 100 20:18:43 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970340930:10:06446:15; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 19:08:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1006361; 30 Sep 2000 19:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA21728 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 19:05:15 +0100 Received: from cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.174]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA21725 for ; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 19:05:13 +0100 Received: from modem-16.cesium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.46.16] helo=beeston12) by cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 13fRvJ-0008Tq-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 20:03:49 +0100 Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 19:47:20 +0100 From: Robin Phillips To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Upgrade CD Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <134469@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: home X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m User-Agent: POPstar/2.01b12 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id TAA21726 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id TAB21728 Dear 30th September David Pilling, In message <134469@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > Ovation Pro Upgrade CD=20 >=A0This is now available, the following attempts to explain the intricac= ies. >=20 > What do I get? > -------------- >=20 > Ovation Pro 2.60 featuring; >=20 > Auto paragraph numbering and bulleting > Impression document loader > Referenced and Proxy pictures > EPS support Sorry? I am not sure what E P S stands for. > Graduated, patterned and hatched fills > David Pilling >=20 Yours sincerely, Robin. --=20 Robin Phillips, 1, Newcastle Avenue, Beeston, Notts., NG9 1BT; Phone: +44 (0)115 922 4930 E-mail: rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Oct 2 20:18:50 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134543 for opro ; Mon, 02 Oct 100 20:18:48 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970340930:10:06447:19; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 19:08:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1113272; 30 Sep 2000 19:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA21733 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 19:05:17 +0100 Received: from cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.174]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA21730 for ; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 19:05:15 +0100 Received: from modem-16.cesium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.46.16] helo=beeston12) by cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 13fRvL-0008Tq-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 20:03:51 +0100 Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 19:37:05 +0100 From: Robin Phillips To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Tab ruler Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: home X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m User-Agent: POPstar/2.01b12 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message Anthony Hilton wrote: > In on Tue 26 Sep, Roger Penniceard wrote: > Sorry to but into a wish list - > The only refinement (but minor once you understand how it is working) would > be to position the Tab ruler above the currently selected block of text > instead of above the cursor position. NOT the only desirable change! The constant problem I have is that when one selects Control-Tab to edit the tabulation set-up the ruler FAILS TO SHOW the existing default tabs. It shows everything else but not these! Can anyone suggest a set-up which displays these? Yours sincerely, Robin. -- Robin Phillips, 1, Newcastle Avenue, Beeston, Notts., NG9 1BT; Phone: +44 (0)115 922 4930 E-mail: rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Oct 2 20:19:02 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134548 for opro ; Mon, 02 Oct 100 20:19:00 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970391249:20:19955:19; Sun, 01 Oct 2000 09:07:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2119674; 1 Oct 2000 9:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA23642 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 09:04:01 +0100 Received: from snowy.kiwilink.co.nz (snowy.kiwilink.co.nz [202.27.215.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA23639 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 09:03:55 +0100 Received: from timk.ns.planet.gen.nz (ppp-34.kiwilink.co.nz [202.27.215.100]) by snowy.kiwilink.co.nz (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id e9190YT20426 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 22:00:35 +1300 (NZDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tim King To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 17:54:16 +1200 Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Upgrade CD Message-ID: <4a05ff6d4ctim@de-sig.co.nz> In-Reply-To: <134469@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <134469@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02a (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <134469@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > How can I pay? > -------------- > Send a cheque for ukp 35 drawn on a UK bank and made payable to; > David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. Originally you mentioned the possibility of credit card payments for foreigns. Still a possibility? Tim -- Tim King... de-Sig. +64 9 478.3114 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Oct 2 20:19:12 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134552 for opro ; Mon, 02 Oct 100 20:19:10 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970382986:10:07394:14; Sun, 01 Oct 2000 06:49:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1007343; 1 Oct 2000 6:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA23338 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 06:45:59 +0100 Received: from smtp24.singnet.com.sg (smtp24.singnet.com.sg [165.21.101.204]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA23335 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 06:45:56 +0100 Received: from revilo.singnet.com.sg (qtas2002.singnet.com.sg [165.21.53.192]) by smtp24.singnet.com.sg (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id e916jPj31684 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 14:45:25 +0800 (SGT) Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 08:49:40 +0000 (GMT) From: Ian Oliver Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Upgrade CD To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <134514@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Ian Oliver, (65) 468-0760. X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sat 30 Sep, David Pilling wrote: > However I may try to set up a credit card payment facility for those > who need it. Yes please. Very helpful to us furriners. And the price plus ten percent is still an amazing bargain compared to mickysoft prices. Unless you troll over to Malaysia where I'm told you can buy copy windoze CDs for seven ringgit - slightly under two pounds!. Thanks for nice software. -- Ian Oliver http://www.crosswinds.net/~houseoftoucans/Index.html -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Oct 2 20:19:35 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134560 for opro ; Mon, 02 Oct 100 20:19:33 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970400862:10:12521:26; Sun, 01 Oct 2000 11:47:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1012452; 1 Oct 2000 11:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA24210 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 11:42:02 +0100 Received: from grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net (grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net [193.67.237.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA24207 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 11:41:59 +0100 Received: from padua by grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net via 1Cust36.tnt8.rtm1.nl.uu.net [213.116.110.36] with SMTP for id NAA07264 (8.8.8/1.19); Sun, 1 Oct 2000 13:40:35 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <002801c02b9c$0bc423b0$4d01a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: "Ovation Pro" References: <134469@pilling.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Upgrade CD Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 12:21:52 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sat 30 Sep 2000, David Pilling wrote: > Ovation Pro Upgrade CD > > This is now available, the following attempts to explain the intricacies. > > > What do I get? > -------------- > > Ovation Pro 2.60 featuring; > > Auto paragraph numbering and bulleting > Impression document loader > Referenced and Proxy pictures > EPS support > Graduated, patterned and hatched fills Congratulations with the new upgrade. It sounds promising. > > How can I pay? > -------------- > Send a cheque for ukp 35 drawn on a UK bank and made payable to; > David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. As (many) other users I am also interested in paying by credit card. The 10% extra isn't a problem. Paying bills in another currency or to another country always involves extra costs. Regards, mrs. Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Oct 2 20:20:20 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134564 for opro ; Mon, 02 Oct 100 20:20:17 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970417330:20:11047:18; Sun, 01 Oct 2000 16:22:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2010792; 1 Oct 2000 16:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA24890 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 16:15:08 +0100 Received: from mail6.svr.pol.co.uk (mail6.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.212]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA24887 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 16:15:06 +0100 Received: from modem-241.garibaldi.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.16.241] helo=freeserve.co.uk) by mail6.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 13fljY-0002b8-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 01 Oct 2000 17:13:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Frank Watkinson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 17:11:06 +0100 Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Upgrade CD Message-ID: <4a06bbbc3cfrank@aaug.net> In-Reply-To: References: <134469@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Nico ter Haar wrote: > In on Sat 30 Sep, David Pilling wrote: > > > > > > Ovation Pro Upgrade CD > > > > This is now available, the following attempts to explain the > > intricacies. > > > Great ! > > > > How can I pay? -------------- Send a cheque for ukp 35 drawn on a > > UK bank and made payable to; David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton > > Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. > > > Will you be at Epsom ? It would be much easier for us foreigners to > hand over the cash. > rgds nico I am sure that there will be people at Epsom who would be prepared to write you a cheque made out to David Pilling in exchange for 35 ukp cash. I shall be there on the Saturday. If you need me, ask for me at the AAUG stand. Best of luck. Frank. PS. (Ought to be at the top, really) - Good effort, David!!! -- Essex Acorn User Group - Member of Association of Acorn User Groups Frank Watkinson (PR/Web/Newsletter) Email: eaug@aaug.net Website: http://www.wattys.fsnet.co.uk/eaug.html -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Oct 2 20:20:45 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134565 for opro ; Mon, 02 Oct 100 20:20:37 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970417459:20:13314:15; Sun, 01 Oct 2000 16:24:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2013240; 1 Oct 2000 16:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA24926 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 16:20:50 +0100 Received: from imo-r07.mail.aol.com (imo-r07.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.7]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA24923 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 16:20:48 +0100 From: Received: from Tomhopley@aol.com by imo-r07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.24.) id d.27.b8c0dfa (7776) for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 12:18:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <27.b8c0dfa.2708bde6@aol.com> Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 12:18:46 EDT Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Upgrade CD To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 104 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In a message dated 9/30/00 1:34:16 AM GMT Daylight Time, opro@pilling.demon.co.uk writes: > How do I find my serial number? > ------------------------------- > The best way is to look inside the front cover of your Ovation Pro reference > manual, or on the registration card supplied with the program. You can also > find it from the 'splash' screen displayed when Ovation Pro starts up, > however this number is not definitive because it is entered by the user. I suppose there's always one ..... For the past 9 years or so I've been watching the wrong serial number come up each time on my OPro splash screen - I'd transposed two digits when I typed it in. Thanks, David, for the warning. Thanks also for the hundreds of poundsworth - at M$ rates - of free updates I've already received for my original OPro version 2.42. Even as a fully qualified skinflint and adopted Yorkshireman I find it difficult to write a cheque for only 35 ukp for the CD. Perhaps we should transpose those two digits too. TomH -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Oct 2 20:22:33 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134590 for opro ; Mon, 02 Oct 100 20:22:32 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970512660:10:26125:17; Mon, 02 Oct 2000 18:51:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1025442; 2 Oct 2000 18:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA28653 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 18:43:01 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA28650 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 18:42:55 +0100 Received: from usera798.uk.uudial.com (193.149.69.36) [193.149.69.36] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13gAWo-0007aC-00; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 19:41:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "charles.hope" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 17:33:06 +0100 Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Upgrade CD Message-ID: <4a074195fbcharles.hope@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <134469@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <134469@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.01f (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 30 Sep, David Pilling wrote: > Ovation Pro Upgrade CD > This is now available, the following attempts to explain the intricacies. Order in Post. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Oct 2 22:33:44 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134628 for opro ; Mon, 02 Oct 100 22:33:31 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970518114:20:06758:20; Mon, 02 Oct 2000 20:21:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2006763; 2 Oct 2000 20:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA28982 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 20:20:44 +0100 Received: from prserv.net (out5.prserv.net [32.97.166.35]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA28979 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 20:20:41 +0100 Received: from jacorn.ibm.net ([139.92.178.110]) by prserv.net (out5) with SMTP id <200010022019092050486c8be>; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 20:19:12 +0000 Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 19:56:32 +0200 (BST) From: James White Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Upgrade CD To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <27.b8c0dfa.2708bde6@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Spanish Oak Nurseries X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sun 01 Oct, Tomhopley@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 9/30/00 1:34:16 AM GMT Daylight Time, > opro@pilling.demon.co.uk writes: > > Thanks also for the hundreds of poundsworth - at M$ rates - of free > updates I've already received for my original OPro version 2.42. > Even as a fully qualified skinflint and adopted Yorkshireman I find > it difficult to write a cheque for only 35 ukp for the CD. Perhaps > we should transpose those two digits too. Something like this has _got_ to be done to keep DP developing OvPro for the ARM architecture. It's so bloody obvious that 35 quid is a give-away price. Consider that Sibelius Software charged 180 for their last upgrade to someone who had bought new some 14 months previous and yet DP's upgrade is bursting with added features by comparison. If DP charged 90 it would still represent wonderful value considering the work put into the features from 2.46 on, plus the new manual, plus the support. In the earlier discussions (XPress import/export, and the Windows port). Martin Vethake indicated that doing a Win version is itself a fulltime job. That has set me thinking that further development of OPro must slow down to a halt during the production and testing of the Win port. Although there is no direct mention of the possibility, I just wonder if indeed we have seen the last evolution of RO OvPro for this year and the next. Particularly when compounded by the next job to do, which will be the platform independent version. just when you thought D Pilling wasn't leaving after all... JW -- ---------------- HEADLINES: "WinME sells 250,000 in first four days" Which according to our calculations means there are 43.4 of them born every minute... ---------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Oct 2 22:33:48 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134629 for opro ; Mon, 02 Oct 100 22:33:46 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970519290:20:26863:14; Mon, 02 Oct 2000 20:41:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2108601; 2 Oct 2000 20:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA29078 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 20:40:37 +0100 Received: from mail1.svr.pol.co.uk (mail1.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.18]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA29075 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 20:40:35 +0100 Received: from modem-225.new-hampshire.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.80.225] helo=jaycee) by mail1.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 13gCMh-0002zx-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 02 Oct 2000 21:39:11 +0100 Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 21:21:35 GMT From: John Charman To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Ovation errors Message-ID: <44ff5b074a.JayCee@jstp.freeserve.co.uk> X-Organization: JaySoft User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.03) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Can anyone please stop me tearing my hair out. I have just changed to OvPro from Publisher for producing my monthly chess magazine and all seemed well in the last four or five momths as I produced templates and checked out styles etc but.... every time I try to embed an object, a picture frame containing a draw file of a board, into some text (in a 3 column frame) I get an error type 2 whatever that means. It worked when I tried it in testing so what in earth am I doing wrong. While writing I might as well get my moneys worth and also ask why when I drag a StrongEd text file into a text frame the text is in the wrong font and in italic, I have to select it all, select another style then select the base text style again to get it right. Other odd things happen such as disappearing text which can only be retrieved by scrolling to another page then back again etc etc; I have not troubled David with any of these but chose to wait to see if they are all fixed in the new edition which I had hoped tol receive before my first OvPro magazine went out in November but as I have to start on it now I have to use the old version. Will someone please tell me that these little niggles are not the fault of the Kinetic card which I now very much regret buying......... Be seeing you JayCee -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 3 02:45:10 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134655 for opro ; Tue, 03 Oct 100 02:45:08 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970526010:10:24405:28; Mon, 02 Oct 2000 22:33:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1025495; 2 Oct 2000 22:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA29506 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 22:32:10 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA29503 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 22:32:09 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13gE6H-000MoO-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 22:30:21 +0000 Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 23:11:48 GMT Message-Id: <134636@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ovation errors X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >every time I try to embed an object, a picture frame containing a draw >file of a board, into some text (in a 3 column frame) I get an error >type 2 whatever that means. Type 2 is a divide by zero error. Something has zero size... >While writing I might as well get my moneys worth and also ask why when >I drag a StrongEd text file into a text frame the text is in the wrong >font and in italic, I have to select it all, select another style then >select the base text style again to get it right. Presumeably that is the style at the insert point. A frame which is empty does not necessarily have body text style. >Other odd things happen such as disappearing text which can only be >retrieved by scrolling to another page then back again etc etc; Redraw problems. Can be a number of things, e.g. it could be a bad font, but can be bugs, and it may be fixable by forcing a reflow of the text. >Will someone please tell me that these little niggles are not the fault >of the Kinetic card which I now very much regret buying......... I'm not aware of any outstanding problems caused by Kinetic (with any of my software). David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 3 02:45:10 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134656 for opro ; Tue, 03 Oct 100 02:45:08 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970525995:20:27469:18; Mon, 02 Oct 2000 22:33:15 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2026877; 2 Oct 2000 22:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA29491 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 22:31:46 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA29487 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 22:31:43 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13gE6G-000MoO-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 22:30:20 +0000 Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 23:09:03 GMT Message-Id: <134634@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Upgrade CD X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I'm working on a credit card payment option. I'll announce it here as soon as I can. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 3 02:45:14 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134657 for opro ; Tue, 03 Oct 100 02:45:11 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970526011:10:26002:19; Mon, 02 Oct 2000 22:33:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1025502; 2 Oct 2000 22:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA29490 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 22:31:44 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA29483 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 22:31:42 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13gE6E-000MoO-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 22:30:18 +0000 Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 22:41:03 GMT Message-Id: <134632@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Upgrade CD X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Although there is no direct mention of the possibility, I just wonder if >indeed we have seen the last evolution of RO OvPro for this year and the >next. It is difficult to not break the law of self fulfilling prophecy. If I say that this is the end of the line, then it very probably will be. I certainly don't want to play the "if you don't buy it you're letting the side down" card, IMHO we've seen that of late and its all wrong. The only sensible reason to write software and to sell it is that it serves a purpose and is useful to people (i.e. not to make money or because someone who isn't going to use it thinks it should be written). If there aren't many or any users then I should be employing my talents elsewhere. No doubt anyone with a RISC OS machine now, accepts the risk, that at some point they will be writing off a large investment and doing a crash course (ho ho) in using Windows. Well so it goes with the Ovation Pro upgrade CD. There are no promises about the future. But yes a Win version of OPro would mean at least a six month break from RISC OS, and would very probably mean the end of the RISC OS version. Out there beyond the blue screen there are all sorts of temptations like C++ compilers and once you make some changes or improve something that will be the end for the old version. Plenty of examples Sibelius, Xara etc. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 3 02:45:26 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134662 for opro ; Tue, 03 Oct 100 02:45:22 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970532873:11:17144:24; Tue, 03 Oct 2000 00:27:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1118328; 3 Oct 2000 0:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA29972 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 00:26:57 +0100 Received: from mailhub.teliauk.com (root@mailhub.teliauk.com [195.12.225.36]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA29969 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 00:26:55 +0100 Received: from d1o314.teliauk.com (root@d1o314.teliauk.com [195.12.237.81]) by mailhub.teliauk.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e930U8A19080 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 01:30:08 +0100 (BST) Received: from gavinpc (t1o314p13.teliauk.com [195.12.238.13]) by d1o314.teliauk.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA09695 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 01:25:21 +0100 (GMT/BST) Message-ID: <002e01c02cd0$65b8bf40$0200a8c0@gavinpc> From: "Gavin Dewar" To: References: <134632@pilling.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Upgrade CD Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 01:25:12 +0100 Organization: Quercus Computer Systems MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Pilling" To: Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 11:41 PM Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Upgrade CD > It is difficult to not break the law of self fulfilling prophecy. > If I say that this is the end of the line, then it very probably will be. > I certainly don't want to play the "if you don't buy it you're letting > the side down" card, IMHO we've seen that of late and its all wrong. > > The only sensible reason to write software and to sell it is that it serves > a purpose and is useful to people (i.e. not to make money or because someone > who isn't going to use it thinks it should be written). If there aren't many > or any users then I should be employing my talents elsewhere. > > No doubt anyone with a RISC OS machine now, accepts the risk, that at some > point they will be writing off a large investment and doing a crash course > (ho ho) in using Windows. > > Well so it goes with the Ovation Pro upgrade CD. There are no promises > about the future. > > But yes a Win version of OPro would mean at least a six month break from > RISC OS, and would very probably mean the end of the RISC OS version. Out > there beyond the blue screen there are all sorts of temptations like C++ > compilers and once you make some changes or improve something that will be > the end for the old version. Plenty of examples Sibelius, Xara etc. > As an "Acorn user" since System1 and Atom, I **hate** having to admit it to myself, but I have come to the conclusion that there is no way the "Acorn" desktop hardware can keep up to date with the rapid developments elsewhere - the companies involved just do not have the required size ( I exclude Pace - but then they have 'other fish to fry'). The reason I still prefer to use my RiscPC ( A310 recently retired ) over the two Win boxes I have, is the ease of use and stability of the OS and the applications running on it - in principal the hardware is irrelevant. IMHO the only long term future for yourself David, and other RISC OS developers is to migrate to the 'other side', as have the others you mentioned above - who have shown that good, tight applications can be developed for Win98. My "head" says that I must (for my future security ) do all new Operating Manuals and admin on the Win boxes I would dearly love to be able do this with a Win version of OvationPro - and to move all my existing files over 8-) On the Win boxes I currently use Serif PagePlus which is pretty good but not as easy to use as Ovation Pro. The least said about using Word for DTP (or even simple word processing) the better!!! So yes David - if you can do it in six months then I will be a happy fan - I can continue to box and cox the two OS's till then. Much longer and I would have to reconsider what I use for my documentation. The business accounting software is currently being translated (www.accountz.com) Also the ROX developments are looking very interesting. Sorry if this is sounding like c.s.a.a ( which is significantly quiet of late ) Cheers all, Gavin P.S. Yes I have ordered the CD 8-) P.P.S. Anyone know of an app to run !Draw files under W98??? -- Gavin Dewar gavin@QuercusComputers.co.uk www.QuercusComputers.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 3 15:02:11 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134673 for opro ; Tue, 03 Oct 100 15:02:10 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970541374:20:15951:44; Tue, 03 Oct 2000 02:49:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2110352; 3 Oct 2000 2:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA30329 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 02:26:44 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA30325 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 02:26:40 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13gHlc-0002Q2-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 02:25:16 +0000 Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 02:54:03 GMT Message-Id: <134669@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Upgrade CD X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >and while we are at it, may i once again ask how you are going to >manage foreign translations, like german for example? No idea. Uffenkamp had a deal to do a German version with Beebug. Maybe they will want to do a translation of the CD. It remains to be discussed. >any chance that you make it possible to download those versions from >your website too? [like chris morison does for example in a smaller >way for his organizer] that would be a *lot* less hassle than i >experienced in the past. Well things like SparkFS have German translations built in. The problem with OPro is that it is a massive undertaking. This is why (rightly) Uffenkamp have tried to protect their efforts on the German translation. >everytime i send them in i pay 30 DM for the upgrade >i hope you do see a part of that money? I don't. But if they're keeping the translated resources and so on up to date, they're earning it. Bottom line on the German version is that you can buy the (English) CD like anyone else. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 3 15:02:14 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134674 for opro ; Tue, 03 Oct 100 15:02:12 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970542369:20:05280:14; Tue, 03 Oct 2000 03:06:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2004695; 3 Oct 2000 3:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA30328 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 02:26:41 +0100 Received: from post.webmailer.de (natmail2.webmailer.de [192.67.198.65]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA25010 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 16:29:46 +0100 Received: from ngi.de (p3EE0A0EC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [62.224.160.236]) by post.webmailer.de (8.9.3/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA20660 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 18:28:22 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 18:31:25 +0200 From: march To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Upgrade CD Message-ID: <7298bd064a.march@gmx.net> References: <134514@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <134514@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 X-Editor: Zap 1.44 (19 May 2000) [TEST 3], ZapEmail 0.25 (27 May 2000) test-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id QAA25011 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro [resent with appropriate mailaddress] David Pilling wrote on 30 Sep: > And given the cash raising nature of the exercise I've no plans > to allow sales of the upgrade via dealers. given my experiences with some dealers i can understand that ... :-) > However I may try to set up a credit card payment facility for those > who need it. definitely appreciated here! VISA here BTW. > I have tried to negotiate a good deal but its not come to pass. > As of now then you'd be looking at paying an extra 10% for the privilige. thats allright for me [though the less the better ;-)] and while we are at it, may i once again ask how you are going to manage foreign translations, like german for example? any chance that you make it possible to download those versions from your website too? [like chris morison does for example in a smaller way for his organizer] that would be a *lot* less hassle than i experienced in the past. to sketch it in a bit i sent all my disks to my dealer in january, got them back [less the colour separation disk which seems to be lost] in july and am now at version 2.53g everytime i send them in i pay 30 DM for the upgrade [taking the purchasing power into account it is around 17 pounds -> half of your cd] i hope you do see a part of that money? so downloading upgrades seems to be easier and a bit faster somehow. best regards and thank you for all your energy put into your progs! march. germany -- www.riscos.org - reduzimos os riscos dos computadores -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 3 15:02:18 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134675 for opro ; Tue, 03 Oct 100 15:02:15 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970540504:10:01512:15; Tue, 03 Oct 2000 02:35:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1110888; 3 Oct 2000 2:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA30319 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 02:26:38 +0100 Received: from post.webmailer.de (natmail2.webmailer.de [192.67.198.65]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA25014 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 16:29:48 +0100 Received: from ngi.de (p3EE0A0EC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [62.224.160.236]) by post.webmailer.de (8.9.3/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA20705 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 18:28:24 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 18:30:58 +0200 From: march To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Upgrade CD Message-ID: References: <134514@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4A0649325F%mik.towse@xemik.com> In-Reply-To: <4A0649325F%mik.towse@xemik.com> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 X-Editor: Zap 1.44 (19 May 2000) [TEST 3], ZapEmail 0.25 (27 May 2000) test-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro [resent with appropriate mailaddress] Mik Towse wrote on 30 Sep: > In article <134514@pilling.demon.co.uk> David Pilling wrote: > [snip] > > However I may try to set up a credit card payment facility for those who > > need it. I have tried to negotiate a good deal but its not come to pass. > > As of now then you'd be looking at paying an extra 10% for the privilige. > I bought a shareware prog' from the Netherlands via a web-based credit card > service (REGNET) recently. Could this be an option for non-UK based > purchasers? I assume that it is still possible to add a surcharge & send > the s/w by post. like chris morison does on www.organizer.ukgateway.net/order.htm ? he uses www.uksharereg.com though it seems to be for shareware registration? and they also seem to charge 10 % ... best regards, march. -- www.riscos.org - reduzimos os riscos dos computadores -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 3 15:02:50 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134683 for opro ; Tue, 03 Oct 100 15:02:46 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970556064:10:28873:16; Tue, 03 Oct 2000 06:54:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1028676; 3 Oct 2000 6:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA31161 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 06:42:16 +0100 Received: from fep3-orange.clear.net.nz (fep3-orange.clear.net.nz [203.97.32.3]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA31158 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 06:42:12 +0100 Received: from ijm.clear.net.nz (b002-m001-p002.acld.clear.net.nz [203.167.198.2]) by fep3-orange.clear.net.nz (1.5/1.8) with S Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 17:02:08 +0000 (GMT) From: Ian J Melville Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Upgrade CD To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <134634@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 02 Oct, David Pilling wrote: > > I'm working on a credit card payment option. I'll announce it here > as soon as I can. > > > > David Pilling > > -- > email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk > web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling > web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk > post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. > fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 > > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message > Hey David This would be wonderful! Cheers -- Ian J. Melville RD 1 Ph/Fax +64-0-9-433-2225 Tangiteroria 0351 Cell +64-0-25-818-513 Aotearoa/New Zealand email ijm@clear.net.nz Webpage http://Ian_J_Melville.tripod.com _____________________________________________________________________________ It may be that your sole purpose in life is simply to serve as warning to others. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 3 15:02:55 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134686 for opro ; Tue, 03 Oct 100 15:02:52 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970565027:20:15458:30; Tue, 03 Oct 2000 09:23:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2015354; 3 Oct 2000 9:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA31760 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 09:18:18 +0100 Received: from smtp-server.nlr.nl (spider.nlr.nl [137.17.80.200]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA31757 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 09:18:16 +0100 Received: from nararch.nlr.nl (nararch.nlr.nl [137.17.168.66]) by smtp-server.nlr.nl (8.10.1/8.10.1/NLR 29/03/2000) with SMTP id e939GMI4752188; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 11:16:22 +0200 (CDT) Disclaimer: "The National Aerospace Laboratory NLR DOES NOT ACCEPT ANY FINANCIAL COMMITMENT derived from this message." Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 11:16:17 +0200 From: "F.R. Polak" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Upgrade CD Message-ID: <046e9d074a.polak@nararch.nlr.nl> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: NLR User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message 3 Oct Ian J Melville wrote: > On Mon 02 Oct, David Pilling wrote: > > > > I'm working on a credit card payment option. I'll announce it here > > as soon as I can. > > > > > > > > David Pilling > > > Hey David > > This would be wonderful! > > Cheers I second that! -- Frits R. Polak National Aerospace Laboratory (NLR), Amsterdam Airports Department phone : +31-(0)20-5113543; fax: +31-(0)20-5113210 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 3 15:03:04 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134689 for opro ; Tue, 03 Oct 100 15:03:01 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970558334:10:07185:18; Tue, 03 Oct 2000 07:32:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1006601; 3 Oct 2000 7:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA31329 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 07:30:21 +0100 Received: from mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (mta06-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.46]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA31326 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 07:30:19 +0100 Received: from pbready ([62.252.155.49]) by mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with SMTP id <20001003072852.HBVH19246.mta06-svc.ntlworld.com@pbready> for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 08:28:52 +0100 Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 08:28:45 +0100 From: Pete Bready To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Upgrade CD Message-ID: References: <134632@pilling.demon.co.uk> <002e01c02cd0$65b8bf40$0200a8c0@gavinpc> In-Reply-To: <002e01c02cd0$65b8bf40$0200a8c0@gavinpc> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <002e01c02cd0$65b8bf40$0200a8c0@gavinpc> "Gavin Dewar" wrote: > > P.S. Yes I have ordered the CD 8-) > P.P.S. Anyone know of an app to run !Draw files under W98??? FireworkZ IIRC - and isn't there a Windoze version of Textease which I'd imagine would handle Drawfiles. And maybe Xara - even if it means importing the file into Artworks then out as Artworks EPS first? Or you could try !Draw2WMF, although the results are mixed in my experience. -- Pete Bready pbready@ntlworld.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 3 15:03:07 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134692 for opro ; Tue, 03 Oct 100 15:03:05 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970580248:20:27940:16; Tue, 03 Oct 2000 13:37:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2027883; 3 Oct 2000 13:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA32480 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 13:29:12 +0100 Received: from mars.skynet.co.uk ([195.188.45.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA32475 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 13:25:56 +0100 Received: from pebblesculpt.co.uk (212-46-129-78.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.129.78]) by mars.skynet.co.uk (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id e93DNBm29029 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 14:23:11 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 14:19:30 +0100 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Upgrade CD Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <134469@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS X-System: RISC OS 3.7 StrongArm 2-slice RiscPC 48MB+2MB / AKF85 X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R > Ovation Pro Upgrade CD Will be needing two copies for two computers, but only one computer has a CD ROM drive. Can an installation be trasfered from one machine to the other by the mundane file copying method? Brian. -- Brian O'Carroll brian@pebblesculpt.co.uk http://www.pebblesculpt.co.uk 183 Aston Clinton Road, Aylesbury, Bucks HP22 5AD Tel: (+44) 01296 632431 Mobile phone: 07909 918370 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 3 15:04:44 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134695 for opro ; Tue, 03 Oct 100 15:04:42 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970561367:10:03253:17; Tue, 03 Oct 2000 08:22:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1002251; 3 Oct 2000 8:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA31553 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 08:20:11 +0100 Received: from smtp2.jakinternet.co.uk (proxy.jakinternet.co.uk [212.41.43.4]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA31550 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 08:20:09 +0100 Received: from smtp.jakinternet.co.uk (smtp.jakinternet.co.uk [212.41.41.61]) by smtp2.jakinternet.co.uk (Postfix) with SMTP id 57CF9A774F for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 09:12:44 +0100 (BST) Received: from martinl.redhotant.com ([212.187.164.154]) by smtp.jakinternet.co.uk ; Tue, 03 Oct 2000 09:16:35 -0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Martin Longley To: Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 09:12:28 +0100 Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Upgrade CD Message-ID: <4a07979682martinl@redhotant.com> In-Reply-To: <002e01c02cd0$65b8bf40$0200a8c0@gavinpc> References: <134632@pilling.demon.co.uk> <002e01c02cd0$65b8bf40$0200a8c0@gavinpc> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <002e01c02cd0$65b8bf40$0200a8c0@gavinpc>, Gavin Dewar wrote: [Snip] > P.P.S. Anyone know of an app to run !Draw files under W98??? AspexDraw from Aspex Software - excellent program Martin Longley -- martinl@redhotant.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From martin.devon@stonar.wilts.sch.uk Tue Oct 3 15:04:57 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134700 for opro ; Tue, 03 Oct 100 15:04:56 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970577543:10:08921:6; Tue, 03 Oct 2000 12:52:23 GMT Received: from pegasus.mail.eclipse.net.uk ([212.104.129.225]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1007610; 3 Oct 2000 12:51 GMT Received: from StonarWeb (212-104-133-17.access.eclipse.net.uk [212.104.133.17]) by pegasus.mail.eclipse.net.uk (Postfix) with SMTP id 843D14F9F3 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 13:51:23 +0100 (BST) Received: from 1.0.128.252 by StonarWeb with SMTP (Navaho Server Suite v2.4.5 [Linux/i686]); Tue, 03 Oct 2000 13:51:08 BST X-Sender: Martin.Devon@stonar.wilts.sch.uk Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 13:49:41 +0000 (GMT) From: Martin Devon Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Upgrade CD To: David Pilling In-Reply-To: <134669@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Stonar School, Melksham, UK. +44 (0) 1225 702309 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.42] David What arrangements do you intend for site licenced versions? Regards -- Martin Devon Stonar School From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 3 18:53:54 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134710 for opro ; Tue, 03 Oct 100 18:53:51 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970585844:10:24001:14; Tue, 03 Oct 2000 15:10:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1119462; 3 Oct 2000 15:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA00424 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:05:18 +0100 Received: from mserv1e.vianw.co.uk (mserv1e.vianw.co.uk [195.102.240.97]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA00421 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:05:16 +0100 Received: from [194.119.179.59] (helo=Caslon.english.co.uk) by mserv1e.vianw.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.10 #37) id 13gTbf-0006K9-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 16:03:47 +0100 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Tue, 03 Oct 2000 16:02:52 +0100 Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 16:02:36 +0100 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Upgrade CD Message-ID: <1123bd74a%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <134632@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > >Although there is no direct mention of the possibility, I just wonder if > >indeed we have seen the last evolution of RO OvPro for this year and the > >next. > > It is difficult to not break the law of self fulfilling prophecy. > > If I say that this is the end of the line, then it very probably will be. > > I certainly don't want to play the "if you don't buy it you're letting > the side down" card, IMHO we've seen that of late and its all wrong. > > The only sensible reason to write software and to sell it is that it serves > a purpose and is useful to people (i.e. not to make money or because someone > who isn't going to use it thinks it should be written). If there aren't many > or any users then I should be employing my talents elsewhere. > > No doubt anyone with a RISC OS machine now, accepts the risk, that at some > point they will be writing off a large investment and doing a crash course > (ho ho) in using Windows. Well, from a commercial point of view, I wouldn't overstate the investment risk. We've had to take an increasingly hard look at our investment in Risc OS hardware & software. There is no problem in justifying it in itself - for all the reasons that I don't have to rehearse here - but the business environment for companies heavily dependent on Risc OS has become steadily less secure. How do I know whether we're about to have another RiscOS renaissance (after all there have been a remarkable number of hardware innovations in the last year or so) or whether the entire thing is going down the tubes? That is not a good context in which to make business plans. There's a wonderful line by John Cleese in 'Clockwise' where he says something like 'It's not the despair. I can deal with the despair. It's the hope that's the problem!' We now take a very pragmatic approach. Does a decision to continue basing our print production around Risc OS and Ovation Pro make sense on a six month horizon? If we had to scrap the lot within 12 months, would we have made a loss? The answer so far is no. Even the hardware costs are trivial compared to the (a) the software costs on other platforms (we already have about 1000 GBP invested in PDF software on the PC alone, and what do you think a complete Quark/Photoshop/Illustrator set up costs nowadays with all the plug-ins?) (b) the extra productivity we gain from using OvPro rather than the competition on the PC or Mac. It is true that we are gradually migrating - in the sense that more of our work requires us to use Macs and PCs because Risc OS can't provide alternatives. For example, audio & video editing doesn't make sense to us any more on the Risc PC compared to the PC. And web site development & broswer facilities on the Risc PC are so far behind other platforms that we couldn't be taken seriously if we used them. By the way, our order for the CD went off on Saturday! David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 3 18:54:30 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134717 for opro ; Tue, 03 Oct 100 18:54:28 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970593430:20:17619:20; Tue, 03 Oct 2000 17:17:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2108165; 3 Oct 2000 17:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA00784 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 17:07:29 +0100 Received: from host1.kbnet.co.uk (IDENT:root@host1.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA00781 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 17:07:27 +0100 Received: from akalat (dialup023.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.55]) by host1.kbnet.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA11349 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 18:03:23 +0100 Message-ID: <006101c02d5c$458ec700$de94a8c2@akalat> From: "Mike Williams" To: References: <001401c02247$e4ee0380$c394a8c2@akalat> <4a03257285marteng@intonet Subject: Re: Help Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 18:03:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Just a big 'thankyou' to all those who responded to my request for help. It's the kind of response you expect from the Acorn community. A Case Study for the October issue is now complete and with the printers, and I have several more leads to follow up. I will be contacting everybody individually about their ideas, but could 'Arnold' from Tekst and Uitleg contact me direct as there was no email contact in the posting. Mike Williams Akalat Publishing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 3 20:31:35 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134724 for opro ; Tue, 03 Oct 100 20:31:33 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970600130:10:02508:14; Tue, 03 Oct 2000 19:08:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1106519; 3 Oct 2000 19:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA01096 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 19:01:21 +0100 Received: from hinge3.mistral.co.uk (hinge3.mistral.co.uk [195.184.228.58]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA01093 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 19:01:19 +0100 Received: from s.v.ellacott.mistral.co.uk (d224-169.dial.mistral.co.uk [195.184.224.169]) by hinge3.mistral.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA16565 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 18:59:46 GMT (envelope-from s.w.ellacott@brighton.ac.uk) Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 19:43:27 +0100 (BST) From: Steve Ellacott Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Upgrade CD To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <134632@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: University of Brighton X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Mon 02 Oct, David Pilling wrote: > > But yes a Win version of OPro would mean at least a six month break from > RISC OS, and would very probably mean the end of the RISC OS version. Out > there beyond the blue screen there are all sorts of temptations like C++ > compilers and once you make some changes or improve something that will be > the end for the old version. Plenty of examples Sibelius, Xara etc. > But Xara was a flop, and rumour has it that the PC Sibelius is actually not as good in some ways as Sib7. You are right about a decent C++ compiler, of course. (Or rather the associated tools, since both gnu and ARM have good compilers). But don't give up yet. BTW my order will come shortly. Steve -- Steve Ellacott, School of Computing and Mathematical Sciences, University of Brighton, Moulsecoomb, BN2 4GJ, UK Tel: Home (01273) 885845 Office: (01273) 642544 Fax: Home (01273) 270183 Office: (01273) 642405 WWW: http://www.it.brighton.ac.uk/staff/swe -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 3 21:43:15 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134730 for opro ; Tue, 03 Oct 100 21:43:12 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970602790:20:01494:15; Tue, 03 Oct 2000 19:53:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2000878; 3 Oct 2000 19:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA01296 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 19:49:48 +0100 Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net (monsoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA01292 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 19:49:43 +0100 Received: (qmail 1358 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2000 19:48:19 -0000 Received: from userfo72.uk.uudial.com (HELO RPC) (62.188.25.104) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 3 Oct 2000 19:48:19 -0000 Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 19:33:40 +0100 From: Mik Towse To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Upgrade CD Message-ID: <4A07D075DE%mik.towse@xemik.com> References: <134632@pilling.demon.co.uk> <002e01c02cd0$65b8bf40$0200a8c0@gavinpc> In-Reply-To: <002e01c02cd0$65b8bf40$0200a8c0@gavinpc> X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.10d POPstar/2.02 X-Editor: Zap 1.42, using ZapEmail 0.24 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <002e01c02cd0$65b8bf40$0200a8c0@gavinpc> Gavin Dewar wrote: > P.P.S. Anyone know of an app to run !Draw files under W98??? There is a Windoze prog' called OakDraw which I believe can edit Drawfiles. I can't get at the PC to check; my son is using it. (A PC game which runs directly from the CD. ) -- Mik Towse * mik.towse@xemik.com * http://www.xemik.com/ My writers' site can be found at: http://www.lexis.org.uk My brain hurts! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 3 21:43:17 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134731 for opro ; Tue, 03 Oct 100 21:43:16 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970603019:10:26584:14; Tue, 03 Oct 2000 19:56:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1129397; 3 Oct 2000 19:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA01295 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 19:49:45 +0100 Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net (monsoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA01288 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 19:49:42 +0100 Received: (qmail 1351 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2000 19:48:18 -0000 Received: from userfo72.uk.uudial.com (HELO RPC) (62.188.25.104) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 3 Oct 2000 19:48:18 -0000 Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 19:29:31 +0100 From: Mik Towse To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Upgrade CD Message-ID: <4A07D01461%mik.towse@xemik.com> References: <134514@pilling.demon.co.uk> <7298bd064a.march@gmx.net> In-Reply-To: <7298bd064a.march@gmx.net> X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.10d POPstar/2.02 X-Editor: Zap 1.42, using ZapEmail 0.24 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <7298bd064a.march@gmx.net> march wrote: > David Pilling wrote on 30 Sep: > > However I may try to set up a credit card payment facility for those > > who need it. > definitely appreciated here! VISA here BTW. How about switching to a credit card company which issues C/C cheques? ;-) -- Mik Towse * mik.towse@xemik.com * http://www.xemik.com/ My writers' site can be found at: http://www.lexis.org.uk It is difficult to soar with eagles when you work with turkeys. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 4 01:34:51 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134738 for opro ; Wed, 04 Oct 100 01:34:43 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970606227:10:22684:14; Tue, 03 Oct 2000 20:50:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1019347; 3 Oct 2000 20:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA01577 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 20:44:52 +0100 Received: from host1.kbnet.co.uk (IDENT:root@host1.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA01574 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 20:44:50 +0100 Received: from akalat (dialup031.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.193]) by host1.kbnet.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA20386 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 21:40:48 +0100 Message-ID: <014f01c02d7a$795be720$de94a8c2@akalat> From: "Mike Williams" To: References: <5.0.0.25.0.20000915042153.009e8eb0@pop.freeuk.net> <9e1dbb014a.sam@loudounhill.fsnet.co.uk> <001201c0252b$f59862c0 Subject: Re: Help Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 20:49:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Mik Thanks for the suggestion - you were not the only one, but I am not sure how the redoubtable David would respond to his cloak of anonymity being stripped away. Mind you it's not a bad idea... Thanks Mike Williams Akalat Publishing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 4 01:34:58 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134739 for opro ; Wed, 04 Oct 100 01:34:55 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970606304:11:09439:16; Tue, 03 Oct 2000 20:51:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1023554; 3 Oct 2000 20:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA01584 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 20:45:05 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA01581 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 20:45:03 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13gYuZ-000GYk-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 20:43:39 +0000 Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 20:33:25 GMT Message-Id: <134727@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Upgrade CD X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >What arrangements do you intend for site licenced versions? As I said the upgrade conditions are just the same as for single user copies. If you bought the program from me then it is free, if it was from Beebug it costs ukp 35. >But Xara was a flop, and rumour has it that the PC Sibelius is actually not >as good in some ways as Sib7. But they are good examples of how a PC version of a program is not portable back to RISC OS and effectively finishes off the RISC OS version. Yes they have not conquered the PC world to the extent their authors may have wished, but thats another matter. I can't comment on Sib but Xara seems a very nice program and they are still working on it. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 4 01:35:14 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134744 for opro ; Wed, 04 Oct 100 01:35:13 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970610086:10:03756:15; Tue, 03 Oct 2000 21:54:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1109880; 3 Oct 2000 21:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA01985 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 21:52:36 +0100 Received: from murphys-outbound.servers.plus.net ([212.159.14.225]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA01982 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 21:52:33 +0100 Received: (qmail 27206 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2000 21:50:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (212.159.25.227) by murphys with SMTP; 3 Oct 2000 21:50:29 -0000 Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 21:48:30 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: Draw files in Win98 (was Ovation Pro Upgrade CD) To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <002e01c02cd0$65b8bf40$0200a8c0@gavinpc> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Tue 03 Oct, Gavin Dewar wrote: > P.P.S. Anyone know of an app to run !Draw files under W98??? > I guess Oak Draw will still work - the demo version I downloaded from http://www.dialsolutions.com/ was for win 3.1x though, and I wasn't very impressed. Does Corel Xara read !Draw files? I think there is a demo for Win9x available at http://xaraxone.i-us.com/ When I needed a Win drawing program recently I used Serif Draw Plus Intro (from a 1995 magazine disc) and printed to EPS which I imported to Opro. It just took a bit of trial and error to position it - no preview and graphic centred in an A4 size EPS. Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 4 01:35:17 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134745 for opro ; Wed, 04 Oct 100 01:35:15 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970610092:10:03958:15; Tue, 03 Oct 2000 21:54:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1001517; 3 Oct 2000 21:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA01980 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 21:51:54 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA01977 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 21:51:52 +0100 Received: from userav53.uk.uudial.com (62.188.138.100) [62.188.138.100] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13gZxD-0007Mt-00; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 22:50:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 22:40:08 +0100 Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Upgrade CD Message-ID: <4a07e1880bsteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <134632@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Steve Ellacott wrote: > But Xara was a flop, Interesting you should say that since the features in Xara were labelled as quite interesting by the guys in our Medical Illustration department, but when they enquired all dealers pointed them at Corel literature and the Corel line was that "you really ought to buy Corel Draw..." So probably not so much a flop, as flopped on. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 4 13:54:24 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134754 for opro ; Wed, 04 Oct 100 13:54:23 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970625793:10:00996:14; Wed, 04 Oct 2000 02:16:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1000881; 4 Oct 2000 2:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA02639 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 02:14:43 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA02636 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 02:14:41 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13ge3Z-0004ZF-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 02:13:17 +0000 Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 01:38:32 GMT Message-Id: <134749@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Upgrade CD X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Will be needing two copies for two computers, but only one computer has a >CD ROM drive. Can an installation be trasfered from one machine to the >other by the mundane file copying method? Yes no problem. The CD has one big archive of all the OPro stuff on it. You can copy that archive to hard disc, or any of the components in it, run OPro from inside the archive, etc. etc. The only 'protection' is that OPro displays your name, address and serial number when it starts up. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 4 13:54:30 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134757 for opro ; Wed, 04 Oct 100 13:54:27 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970643843:20:19107:17; Wed, 04 Oct 2000 07:17:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2017825; 4 Oct 2000 7:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA03230 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 07:12:25 +0100 Received: from cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.171]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA03227 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 07:12:23 +0100 Received: from modem-52.amoxicillin.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.78.180] helo=wjmurphy.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 13gihf-0007iI-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 04 Oct 2000 08:11:00 +0100 Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 08:04:34 +0100 (BST) From: W J Murphy Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Upgrade CD To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <4a07e1880bsteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: The Free Account (That means I ain't paying!) X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Tue 03 Oct, Steven Pampling wrote: > In article , > Steve Ellacott wrote: > > But Xara was a flop, > > Interesting you should say that since the features in Xara were labelled as > quite interesting by the guys in our Medical Illustration department, but > when they enquired all dealers pointed them at Corel literature and the > Corel line was that "you really ought to buy Corel Draw..." > > So probably not so much a flop, as flopped on. Which is probably why, having gone from Xara Studio to Corel Xara, then Corel Xara 2, they have now decided to reclaim the product and market the latest version as Xara-X. Corel Xara 2 and Xara-X can only be bought via their website. A flop in the PC world still sells enough to maintain its own development, without tempting Computer Concepts to recode it back to the Acorn platform. -- Bill Murphy http://www.wjmurphy.freeserve.co.uk mailto:Billy@wjmurphy.freeserve.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 4 13:54:34 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134759 for opro ; Wed, 04 Oct 100 13:54:32 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970644074:20:27063:17; Wed, 04 Oct 2000 07:21:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2127594; 4 Oct 2000 7:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA03284 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 07:19:05 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA03281 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 07:19:04 +0100 Received: from useri405.uk.uudial.com (194.69.106.15) [194.69.106.15] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13gio7-0006ea-00; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 08:17:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: Ovation Pro List Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 01:11:13 +0100 Subject: Re: Draw files in Win98 (was Ovation Pro Upgrade CD) Message-ID: <4a07ef5ce3steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <002e01c02cd0$65b8bf40$0200a8c0@gavinpc> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Anthony Hilton wrote: > I guess Oak Draw will still work - the demo version I downloaded from > http://www.dialsolutions.com/ was for win 3.1x though, and I wasn't very > impressed. I had it installed and working under NT so it's obviously not too fussy. As you say non-too impressive though. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 4 13:54:52 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134766 for opro ; Wed, 04 Oct 100 13:54:48 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970654311:10:25031:21; Wed, 04 Oct 2000 10:11:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1108515; 4 Oct 2000 10:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA03820 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 10:06:10 +0100 Received: from smtp8.xs4all.nl (smtp8.xs4all.nl [194.109.127.134]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA03817 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 10:06:07 +0100 Received: from ecdbv.xs4all.nl (dc2-modem742.dial.xs4all.nl [194.109.130.230]) by smtp8.xs4all.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA17074 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 12:04:38 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 12:05:54 +0200 (BST) From: Andr van den Berg Subject: Thanks! (fwd) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: ECD Computers, Holland. +31703072040/Fax+31703072050 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id KAA03818 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id KAB03820 Status: R Hello, I would like to thank everybody who contributed to =90the continuing RSI story=91. It has been very helpful, not the least for myself! Met vriendelijke groet / Kind regards, Andre van den Berg -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 4 13:54:57 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134768 for opro ; Wed, 04 Oct 100 13:54:55 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970656009:10:22478:14; Wed, 04 Oct 2000 10:40:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1104156; 4 Oct 2000 10:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA03938 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 10:32:49 +0100 Received: from grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net (grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net [193.67.237.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA03935 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 10:32:40 +0100 Received: from padua by grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net via 1Cust19.tnt14.rtm1.nl.uu.net [213.116.122.19] with SMTP for id MAA17478 (8.8.8/1.19); Wed, 4 Oct 2000 12:31:02 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <008701c02ded$d2b88120$4d01a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: "Ovation Pro" References: <134632@pilling.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Upgrade CD Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 12:27:46 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On 03 Oct 2000, David Pilling wrote: > > >Although there is no direct mention of the possibility, I just wonder if > >indeed we have seen the last evolution of RO OvPro for this year and the > >next. > > It is difficult to not break the law of self fulfilling prophecy. > > If I say that this is the end of the line, then it very probably will be. > > I certainly don't want to play the "if you don't buy it you're letting > the side down" card, IMHO we've seen that of late and its all wrong. > > The only sensible reason to write software and to sell it is that it serves > a purpose and is useful to people (i.e. not to make money or because someone > who isn't going to use it thinks it should be written). If there aren't many > or any users then I should be employing my talents elsewhere. > > No doubt anyone with a RISC OS machine now, accepts the risk, that at some > point they will be writing off a large investment and doing a crash course > (ho ho) in using Windows. IMO it doesn't have to be this way for programmer and/or user. Of course the programmer has to make a living and a dedicated programmer wants to write and sell software the way you described as a sensible reason. Leaving the platform as a programmer is also a kind of destruction of a lot of knowledge and experience. Probably even a bigger loss than the missing hardware. However, maybe, these programming qualities can serve 'two' platforms: an Ovation Pro on Windows that can be used as an 'intermediair' for people who prefer using the RISC OS version with proper import/export to the big Windows world and/or can be used as a stand-alone Windows application. Of course, this is only wishful thinking of a user of both platforms ... > Well so it goes with the Ovation Pro upgrade CD. There are no promises > about the future. > > But yes a Win version of OPro would mean at least a six month break from > RISC OS, and would very probably mean the end of the RISC OS version. Out > there beyond the blue screen there are all sorts of temptations like C++ > compilers and once you make some changes or improve something that will be > the end for the old version. Plenty of examples Sibelius, Xara etc. Another challenge could be developing/using anti-aliasing for TrueType fonts. CorelXARA has proved this is possible in all versions of Windows 9x and NT. This without the need of using PostScript fonts on screen, Adobe Type Manager the Luxe and Windows NT4. Fonts are very elimentary for a DTP program and to have good (as good as possible) screen display of fonts, makes the RISC OS platform a much better platform for DTP than Windows with its Truetypes. At least for the eyes. And beyond DTP programs, there are also all the wordprocessors, spreadsheets, databases, browsers and all others, in which Truetype fonts are used. CorelXARA doesn't support the import of fonts as text in RISC OS files. It doesn't support export to RISC OS at all. This doesn't have to be the same for Ovation Pro ... It also could be a challenge to make a 'mapping' facility between RISC OS fonts and TrueType fonts, used in Ovation Pro documents, assuming there will be also a Windows version ... . This 'mapping' has nothing to do with mapping to PostScript fonts for PostScript printing, only with the possibility to use the same document with the same fonts (in different format) transparantly on the different platforms. It can already be done with the two versions of Fireworkz Pro, however it needs adjustments for every font in one of the Config files. This isn't ideal, but it shows/proves, it can be done. As you say, there are no promsises for the future and there are a all sorts of temptations beyond the blue screen (of death). I hope, there will be enough temptations left in the RISC OS world or to connect the RISC OS world to the other world out there ... mrs. Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 4 18:01:13 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134790 for opro ; Wed, 04 Oct 100 18:01:11 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970678104:20:02392:15; Wed, 04 Oct 2000 16:48:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2108661; 4 Oct 2000 16:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA04976 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 16:42:47 +0100 Received: from mail11.svr.pol.co.uk (mail11.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.23]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA04973 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 16:42:44 +0100 Received: from modem-28.longnose-hawk.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.38.28] helo=magray.freeserve.co.uk) by mail11.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 13grbB-0006Xa-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 04 Oct 2000 17:41:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 17:35:03 +0100 Subject: Re: info please Message-ID: <4a08496fabrayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Keith Bamford wrote: > Please can anyone tell me of a sans serif font similar to Ladybird, ie > the geometric kind, which has a y as a u with curly tail? It is to > help infants learning to write and those are the y's they have to be > taught. Other requirements such a an a with a vertical stroke attached > to a circle and t with a cross bar and curly tail can be met by other > fonts but the y is causing a problem. Any suggestions welcome. Have you tried Sasson? That has a y with a curly tail. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 020 8864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 4 18:01:17 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134791 for opro ; Wed, 04 Oct 100 18:01:12 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970677143:11:24821:14; Wed, 04 Oct 2000 16:32:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1020130; 4 Oct 2000 16:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA04854 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 16:23:17 +0100 Received: from mutt.eurobell.net (qmailr@mutt.eurobell.net [212.24.65.70]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA04851 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 16:23:14 +0100 Received: (qmail 2826 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2000 07:13:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kbamford.eurobell.co.uk) (212.24.66.188) by mutt.eurobell.net with SMTP; 4 Oct 2000 07:13:35 -0000 Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 08:10:11 +0100 (BST) From: Keith Bamford Subject: info please To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Please can anyone tell me of a sans serif font similar to Ladybird, ie the geometric kind, which has a y as a u with curly tail? It is to help infants learning to write and those are the y's they have to be taught. Other requirements such a an a with a vertical stroke attached to a circle and t with a cross bar and curly tail can be met by other fonts but the y is causing a problem. Any suggestions welcome. Thanks Keith -- Keith Bamford mail to: kbamford@roada.org.uk Why not visit http://www.wyg-roada.org.uk http://www.roada.org.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 4 20:14:55 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134810 for opro ; Wed, 04 Oct 100 20:14:52 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970683038:10:27622:16; Wed, 04 Oct 2000 18:10:38 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1116495; 4 Oct 2000 18:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA05166 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 17:59:42 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA05159 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 17:59:40 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13gso2-00029b-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 17:58:14 +0000 Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 18:03:03 GMT Message-Id: <134792@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Upgrade CD X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >> No doubt anyone with a RISC OS machine now, accepts the risk, that at some >> point they will be writing off a large investment and doing a crash course >> (ho ho) in using Windows. >IMO it doesn't have to be this way for programmer and/or user. The point being that it may be the way things go. If users continue to depart at the rate they have in recent times, and if there continues to be no development of RISC OS. Its not something one has a choice in, it will just happen. >Leaving the platform as a programmer is also a kind of destruction of a lot >of knowledge and experience. Quite true and very irritating. I think we need to make a distinction though, there are now two versions of RISC OS, lets call one Desktop RISC OS (D-RISC OS) and the other Internet Appliance RISC OS (IA-RISC OS). Well IA-RISC OS has a rosy future at this point, and those producing it should hire someone who knows as much about it as I do 8-) That will make me happy and ensure my experience doesn't go to waste. But it doesn't necessarily help the cause of D-RISC OS. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 4 20:15:23 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134811 for opro ; Wed, 04 Oct 100 20:15:22 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970682609:20:19321:16; Wed, 04 Oct 2000 18:03:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2104675; 4 Oct 2000 18:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA05168 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 17:59:44 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA05164 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 17:59:42 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13gso5-00029b-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 17:58:18 +0000 Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 18:16:19 GMT Message-Id: <134794@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: info please X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Please can anyone tell me of a sans serif font similar to Ladybird ISTR seeing a font called Ladybird, why not use that? Feeling is that it was a PD thing. Consult the usual places then - whats that web site "Harrys Font Emporium"? David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 4 20:15:27 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134812 for opro ; Wed, 04 Oct 100 20:15:24 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970682805:20:26919:22; Wed, 04 Oct 2000 18:06:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2026694; 4 Oct 2000 18:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA05174 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 17:59:47 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA04557 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 14:07:19 +0100 Received: from barc.demon.co.uk ([194.222.19.11]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13gpBB-00074g-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 14:05:53 +0000 Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 13:35:11 +0100 (BST) From: MikeWilson Subject: Can we help St Pilling To: Ovation Pro Chat list In-Reply-To: <134632@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Like many of us I have admired and been thankful for all David has done for Acorn and the RISC OS community for many years. Equally I understand only too well that he has had to maintain an impregnable wall of privacy about himself to enable him to get on with his work. I don't know where the idea of Ovation first came from, but as a major chunk of software with a long development lead time, David had to have a marketing strategy which was different from his usual 'Buy direct from PO Box...' cloak cloak of anomymity. Sadly from our point of view his product was promoted and marketed by Beebug, which whilst it seemed like a good idea at the time, I think I can safely say, did not turn out to be as effective as David had hoped. As we all know, David eventually managed to salvage Ovation from Beebug and since that time he has expended time, effort and resources beyond all reason into the improvement and stabilisation of his 'baby'. At the same time, for all sorts of reasons, the RISC OS market was self destructing so that as David's product improved, the number of potential new purchasers was declining. Even worse, people who might have been interested in purchasing copies of Ovation Pro have quite probably never even heard of the package. As someone who has been involved in the organisation of the Wakefield Show for the past six years I, and my colleagues have been distressed to see that lack of exposure OP was getting, not only at our own show, but at all the other shows and promotional activities open in the Acorn community. Right from the beginning it was difficult to get Beebug to support our show and recently the position has become ridiculous. At this year's Wakefield show we had a world beating document processing package which had just grown a long awaited 'loader' for the decaying market leader and which many enthusiasts would regard as a gift from above. In the event, there were two exhibitors who has Ovation Pro on their stands and could give demonstrations, but with the best will in the world, both CJE and APDL were busy promoting their main business, and to the bulk of the people at the show it all remained a best kept secret. This is all highlighted by a recent exchange on this group where an overseas user asked 'Will you be at Epsom' and David replied, as of course he had to 'No'. Now the Acorn community has a strongly developed family spirit. In our case this is typified by the number of people who are pointing out to David that ukp35 for a major upgrade to a premium software package is ridiculously trivial and in no way a just reward for all his efforts. What I am leading up to is this . . . . If exhibition organisers were to provide stand space for Ovation Pro, are there enough enthusiastic users out there to create a team of volunteers to explain, demonstrate and sell copies of OP and upgrades to the eager punters? This is, of course, only an interim measure. Currently the RISC OS market has available a selection of new computers from several different manufacturers but at the same time the software side of the platform is just not there. Unless the developers can be encouraged by the prospect of a financial reward this situation is not going to change and the demise of our favourite platform looks inevitable. No one can blame David for developing a windows version of OP, although he is going to need some strong marketing to get it off the ground and we must wish him well. At the same time it is interesting to look at two other word handling packages in the RISC OS market. EasiWriter comes from a stable who first developed 'MacAuthor' and then handed the concept over to CC where it developed as Impression. Later Mike Glover and his team introduced !EasiWriter and !TechWriter and promoted thess by advertising, by being at all shows and exhibitions and by visiting User Groups and other marketing opportunities. More recently the products have been promoted by providing the ideal way of access to Windows and MS Word. Also versions of the product are being bundled with new computers with opportunities to upgrade to tge latest version. All this must be successful, as upgrades and enhancements appear regularly and are sold to eager waiting enthusiasts at realistic prices. I know that Icon are currently hedging their bets by developing a Mac version, but they are not showing signs of leaving the RISC OS field behind. Then look at Softease, a company who have a brilliant product. The program and design comex largely from one man, but there at least ten people in the company, their product is now available to run on RISC OS, PC and Mac and is pushed in the educational world by Textease centres tied in with local authority IT centres where there training and information facilities. Again, they are not going away. It can be done with proper marketing. This I feel is not David's forte. Is it to late to hope that he has not been too bruised by his past experience that, even at this stage, he might consider using a publisher with an established track record who might be able to gain him some decent income. Then when the Windows version is developed help with the launch and marketing of the new product? Oh, it it might all be helped if the current rumblings of a fully RISC OS version of C++ are, in fact, true. Come on out there, what do you all think we can do to help St David, he's done more than enough for us all in the past! Mike Wilson. -- Mike Wilson 0113-253-3722 mike@barc.demon.co.uk Hope to see you at WAKEFIELD 2001 - The Acorn RISC OS Show Opinions above are my personal views, but which I know are shared! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 4 20:15:30 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134813 for opro ; Wed, 04 Oct 100 20:15:28 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970682883:20:29458:23; Wed, 04 Oct 2000 18:08:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2028974; 4 Oct 2000 18:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA05178 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 17:59:50 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA05175 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 17:59:47 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13gsoB-00029b-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 17:58:23 +0000 Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 18:22:57 GMT Message-Id: <134798@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Can we help St Pilling X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I don't know where the idea of Ovation first came from Beebug. >EasiWriter comes from a stable who first developed 'MacAuthor' and >then handed the concept over to CC where it developed as Impression. But you're not implying there was any formal agreement between them are you. Because as I understand it at the time CC were writing Impression, Acorn went out and hired Icon to produce Techwriter. In fact whilst I was working on Ovation (not OPro, so circa 1989,1990) which was whilst Impression was being written, Icon approached me to see if I would be interested in working for them on Techwriter. Techwriter is a very good program, but it was nurtured by Acorn in the early years when it was up against an actively developed Impression. >Then look at Softease, a company who have a brilliant product. It is certainly very well positioned. You can see that one would have to sell OPro against Quark etc. on the PC (not easy), whilst Textease is something different, aimed at kids. It is impressive if they can keep 3 versions going, but I suspect they still have a healthy market in education for the RISC OS version. >It can be done with proper marketing. Yes you're right I must try harder. >Is it to late to hope that he has not been too bruised by his past >experience that, even at this stage, he might consider using a >publisher with an established track record So we get a wiz kid who manages to sell a 1000 copies of OPro in a couple of years and takes 80% of the turnover for his trouble. After he's done that sales collapse (obvious reasons the market is limited and shrinking) and I'm left to provide support for years to come. Been there, done that 8-) >Oh, it it might all be helped if the current rumblings of a fully RISC >OS version of C++ are, in fact, true. I wish we could decide that all optimistic rumblings (ever) have to turn in to actual fact by 1/1/2001 or be deemed untrue, otherwise we'll be hoping for a long time. Just as Pace may decide to save RISC OS on the desktop tomorrow (perfectly possible, doesn't break any law), we know that someone in ARM only has to sign a piece of paper for there to be a decent C++ compiler. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 4 20:15:33 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134814 for opro ; Wed, 04 Oct 100 20:15:31 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970683989:20:03584:17; Wed, 04 Oct 2000 18:26:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2102685; 4 Oct 2000 18:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA05394 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 18:23:19 +0100 Received: from latimer.mail.uk.easynet.net (latimer.mail.uk.easynet.net [195.40.1.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA05391 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 18:23:17 +0100 Received: from hatfield.mail.uk.easynet.net (hatfield.mail.uk.easynet.net [195.40.1.39]) by latimer.mail.uk.easynet.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 3864D539A6 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 19:21:51 +0100 (BST) Received: (qmail 3848 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2000 18:21:50 -0000 Received: from tnt-1-9.easynet.co.uk (HELO ) (195.40.206.9) by hatfield.mail.uk.easynet.net with SMTP; 4 Oct 2000 18:21:50 -0000 Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 19:10:39 +0100 From: dmorrell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: info please Message-ID: <523052084a.dmorrell@dmorrell.ukonline.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message Keith Bamford wrote: > Please can anyone tell me of a sans serif font similar to Ladybird, ie the > geometric kind, which has a y as a u with curly tail? It is to help infants > learning to write and those are the y's they have to be taught. Other > requirements such a an a with a vertical stroke attached to a circle and t > with a cross bar and curly tail can be met by other fonts but the y is > causing a problem. Any suggestions welcome. > > Thanks > > Keith > > -- I usually use Primary from EFF. I also have a font called Jumbo which I think came with Desk Top Folio. I think Christopher Jarman has also done some fonts which may help. Hope this helps Dave -- Dave Morrell Middlesbrough -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 4 20:15:40 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134816 for opro ; Wed, 04 Oct 100 20:15:39 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970684471:10:26404:14; Wed, 04 Oct 2000 18:34:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1026345; 4 Oct 2000 18:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA05485 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 18:30:17 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA05482 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 18:30:14 +0100 Received: from usereb27.uk.uudial.com (brooke.argonet.co.uk) [62.188.10.8] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13gtHe-00068H-00; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 19:28:50 +0100 Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 10:10:06 +0100 (BST) From: J W B Greenwood Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Upgrade CD To: Ovation Pro Mailing-List In-Reply-To: <4a07e1880bsteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 03 Oct, Steven Pampling wrote: > In article , > Steve Ellacott wrote: > > But Xara was a flop, > > Interesting you should say that since the features in Xara were labelled as > quite interesting by the guys in our Medical Illustration department, but > when they enquired all dealers pointed them at Corel literature and the > Corel line was that "you really ought to buy Corel Draw..." > > So probably not so much a flop, as flopped on. There used to be a saying..."No-one has ever sacked for buying IBM" ... not the best of computers. Now I suppose it is "No-one has ever been sacked for buying Microsoft" Is it the best? I suppose we'll never know, if that is the only one we use. -- brooke@argonet.co.uk RISC OS Foundation Member -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 4 21:57:16 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134821 for opro ; Wed, 04 Oct 100 21:57:12 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970688368:20:10895:34; Wed, 04 Oct 2000 19:39:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2011193; 4 Oct 2000 19:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA05704 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 19:07:47 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA05700 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 19:07:45 +0100 Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([158.152.204.98]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13gtrx-0005Fd-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 19:06:21 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 20:02:01 +0100 Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Upgrade CD Message-ID: <4a0856e440john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <134792@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <134792@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <134792@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > Quite true and very irritating. I think we need to make a distinction > though, there are now two versions of RISC OS, lets call one Desktop > RISC OS (D-RISC OS) and the other Internet Appliance RISC OS (IA-RISC > OS). > Well IA-RISC OS has a rosy future at this point, and those producing it > should hire someone who knows as much about it as I do 8-) > That will make me happy and ensure my experience doesn't go to waste. > But it doesn't necessarily help the cause of D-RISC OS. Considering the high demand for RISC programmers at present couldn't you offer your services at a very large premium (part-time) leaving you plenty of time to continue development on the RISC OS applications that we know and love? ;-) -- John Cartmell - Manchester, UK -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 4 21:57:20 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134822 for opro ; Wed, 04 Oct 100 21:57:17 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970687649:10:02218:14; Wed, 04 Oct 2000 19:27:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1002134; 4 Oct 2000 19:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA05821 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 19:24:22 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA05818 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 19:24:20 +0100 Received: from narrator.demon.co.uk ([158.152.60.112]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13gu81-0006Rr-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 19:22:57 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by narrator.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Wed, 04 Oct 2000 19:23:35 GMT Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 20:23:26 +0100 From: Neill McNeill To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: info please Message-ID: <2cda5884a%neill@narrator.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a08496fabrayd@argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: Home/Sensible Software X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <4a08496fabrayd@argonet.co.uk> you wrote: > Keith Bamford wrote: > > Please can anyone tell me of a sans serif font similar to Ladybird, ie > > the geometric kind, which has a y as a u with curly tail? It is to > > help infants learning to write and those are the y's they have to be > > taught. Other requirements such a an a with a vertical stroke attached > > to a circle and t with a cross bar and curly tail can be met by other > > fonts but the y is causing a problem. Any suggestions welcome. I can recommend Edward from Electornic Fonts Foundry - joined up as well! -- | Neill McNeill | Streatham Common|LONDON SW16| |Acorn StrongArm Risc PC OS 3.7|48Mb| |Email:neill@narrator.demon.co.uk| |Visit:http://www.narrator.demon.co.uk/software| Think before you click -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 4 23:16:41 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134834 for opro ; Wed, 04 Oct 100 23:16:40 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970694497:20:08965:21; Wed, 04 Oct 2000 21:21:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2009140; 4 Oct 2000 21:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA06227 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 20:56:35 +0100 Received: from dino.intonet.co.uk (root@[194.73.231.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA06224 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 20:56:33 +0100 Received: from marteng.intonet.co.uk (user175.intonet.co.uk [194.73.231.107]) by dino.intonet.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA17686 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 21:55:05 +0100 (BST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Marten Gallagher To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 20:08:29 +0100 Subject: Re: info please Message-ID: <4a08577b94marteng@intonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 04 Oct, Keith Bamford wrote: > Please can anyone tell me of a sans serif font similar to Ladybird, ie the > geometric kind, which has a y as a u with curly tail? Sassoon? Slainte -- Marten Gallagher - marten@annerykiln.co.uk http://www.annerykiln.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 5 02:41:40 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134840 for opro ; Thu, 05 Oct 100 02:41:38 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970701592:20:20426:21; Wed, 04 Oct 2000 23:19:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2020359; 4 Oct 2000 23:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA06886 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 23:15:27 +0100 Received: from mailhub.teliauk.com (root@mailhub.teliauk.com [195.12.225.36]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA06883 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 23:15:25 +0100 Received: from d1o314.teliauk.com (root@d1o314.teliauk.com [195.12.237.81]) by mailhub.teliauk.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e94NHSA16040 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 00:17:28 +0100 (BST) Received: from gavinpc (t1o314p60.teliauk.com [195.12.238.60]) by d1o314.teliauk.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA19192 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 00:14:01 +0100 (GMT/BST) Message-ID: <006c01c02e58$ca55e340$0200a8c0@gavinpc> From: "Gavin Dewar" To: References: <002e01c02cd0$65b8bf40$0200a8c0@gavinpc> <4a07ef5ce3steve.pamp Subject: Re: Draw files in Win98 (was Ovation Pro Upgrade CD) Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 00:14:04 +0100 Organization: Quercus Computer Systems MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Thank you to all who posted a reply. I shall go and have a play! -- Gavin Dewar gavin@QuercusComputers.co.uk www.QuercusComputers.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 5 13:20:29 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134848 for opro ; Thu, 05 Oct 100 13:20:26 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970731771:10:02700:35; Thu, 05 Oct 2000 07:42:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1106905; 5 Oct 2000 7:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA08066 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 07:39:20 +0100 Received: from mutt.eurobell.net (qmailr@mutt.eurobell.net [212.24.65.70]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA08063 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 07:39:17 +0100 Received: (qmail 27135 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2000 07:37:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kbamford.eurobell.co.uk) (212.24.66.171) by mutt.eurobell.net with SMTP; 5 Oct 2000 07:37:58 -0000 Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 08:17:56 +0100 (BST) From: Keith Bamford Subject: Re: info please To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <2cda5884a%neill@narrator.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Any suggestions welcome. > > I can recommend Edward from Electornic Fonts Foundry - joined up as well! > Thanks Neil I shall look into that. Keith -- Keith Bamford mail to: kbamford@roada.org.uk Why not visit http://www.wyg-roada.org.uk http://www.roada.org.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 5 13:20:33 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134850 for opro ; Thu, 05 Oct 100 13:20:30 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970731855:10:05413:18; Thu, 05 Oct 2000 07:44:15 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1109502; 5 Oct 2000 7:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA08078 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 07:39:26 +0100 Received: from mutt.eurobell.net (qmailr@mutt.eurobell.net [212.24.65.70]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA08073 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 07:39:23 +0100 Received: (qmail 27190 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2000 07:38:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kbamford.eurobell.co.uk) (212.24.66.171) by mutt.eurobell.net with SMTP; 5 Oct 2000 07:38:03 -0000 Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 08:21:18 +0100 (BST) From: Keith Bamford Subject: Re: info please To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <134794@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In on Wed 04 Oct, David Pilling wrote: > >Please can anyone tell me of a sans serif font similar to Ladybird > > ISTR seeing a font called Ladybird, why not use that? Feeling is that > it was a PD thing. Consult the usual places then - whats that > web site "Harrys Font Emporium"? Thanks David but my Ladybird has the wrong y though every other requirement is met. I'll look into the other suggestions though. Regards Keith -- Keith Bamford mail to: kbamford@roada.org.uk Why not visit http://www.wyg-roada.org.uk http://www.roada.org.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 5 13:20:35 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134851 for opro ; Thu, 05 Oct 100 13:20:33 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970731762:20:02195:14; Thu, 05 Oct 2000 07:42:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2002021; 5 Oct 2000 7:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA08072 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 07:39:23 +0100 Received: from mutt.eurobell.net (qmailr@mutt.eurobell.net [212.24.65.70]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA08068 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 07:39:21 +0100 Received: (qmail 27167 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2000 07:38:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kbamford.eurobell.co.uk) (212.24.66.171) by mutt.eurobell.net with SMTP; 5 Oct 2000 07:38:01 -0000 Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 08:24:50 +0100 (BST) From: Keith Bamford Subject: Re: info please To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <4a08496fabrayd@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Any suggestions welcome. > > Have you tried Sasson? That has a y with a curly tail. Thanks Ray, I shall pass that on to my colleague. Regards Keith -- Keith Bamford mail to: kbamford@roada.org.uk Why not visit http://www.wyg-roada.org.uk http://www.roada.org.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 5 13:20:39 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134853 for opro ; Thu, 05 Oct 100 13:20:38 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970731879:20:05248:21; Thu, 05 Oct 2000 07:44:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2005241; 5 Oct 2000 7:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA08085 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 07:39:31 +0100 Received: from mutt.eurobell.net (qmailr@mutt.eurobell.net [212.24.65.70]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA08077 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 07:39:26 +0100 Received: (qmail 27218 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2000 07:38:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kbamford.eurobell.co.uk) (212.24.66.171) by mutt.eurobell.net with SMTP; 5 Oct 2000 07:38:06 -0000 Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 08:19:38 +0100 (BST) From: Keith Bamford Subject: Re: info please To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <4a08577b94marteng@intonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Wed 04 Oct, Marten Gallagher wrote: > On 04 Oct, Keith Bamford wrote: > > Please can anyone tell me of a sans serif font similar to Ladybird, ie the > > geometric kind, which has a y as a u with curly tail? > > Sassoon? Thanks martin, I'll check it out. Keith -- Keith Bamford mail to: kbamford@roada.org.uk Why not visit http://www.wyg-roada.org.uk http://www.roada.org.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 5 13:20:45 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134855 for opro ; Thu, 05 Oct 100 13:20:43 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970732069:20:10465:14; Thu, 05 Oct 2000 07:47:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2010404; 5 Oct 2000 7:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA08086 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 07:39:32 +0100 Received: from mutt.eurobell.net (qmailr@mutt.eurobell.net [212.24.65.70]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA08082 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 07:39:27 +0100 Received: (qmail 27228 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2000 07:38:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kbamford.eurobell.co.uk) (212.24.66.171) by mutt.eurobell.net with SMTP; 5 Oct 2000 07:38:07 -0000 Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 08:23:30 +0100 (BST) From: Keith Bamford Subject: Re: info please To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <523052084a.dmorrell@dmorrell.ukonline.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Any suggestions welcome. > > -- > I usually use Primary from EFF. I also have a font called Jumbo which I > think came with Desk Top Folio. > > I think Christopher Jarman has also done some fonts which may help. Thanks Dave I will try to find these. Regards Keith -- Keith Bamford mail to: kbamford@roada.org.uk Why not visit http://www.wyg-roada.org.uk http://www.roada.org.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 5 14:46:26 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134880 for opro ; Thu, 05 Oct 100 14:46:22 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970753152:20:03010:16; Thu, 05 Oct 2000 13:39:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2002531; 5 Oct 2000 13:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA09296 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 13:29:29 +0100 Received: from widukind.bi.teuto.net (IDENT:root@widukind.bi.teuto.net [212.8.197.28]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA09293 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 13:29:13 +0100 Received: from shelley ([213.21.25.228]) by widukind.bi.teuto.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA08048 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 15:27:45 +0200 Received: from uff411.ucs.de (212.108.202.179) by shelley.ucs.de; Thu, 05 Oct 2000 15:26:30 +0200 Received: from kaskaskia.ucs.de by uff411.ucs.de; Thu, 05 Oct 2000 15:26:26 +0200 Received: from martinv by kaskaskia.ucs.de with local (RemoteNB 1.08beta2) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; 05 Oct 2000 15:26:23 +0200 Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 15:26:23 +0200 From: Martin Vethake To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Upgrade CD Message-ID: References: <134514@pilling.demon.co.uk> <7298bd064a.march@gmx.net> In-Reply-To: <7298bd064a.march@gmx.net> X-Organization: U C S User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10 (RemoteNB/1.08beta2) (RISC-OS/3.70) X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.21beta MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Popauth-Info: 970752435 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <7298bd064a.march@gmx.net> you wrote: [snip] > any chance that you make it possible to download those versions from > your website too? [like chris morison does for example in a smaller > way for his organizer] that would be a *lot* less hassle than i > experienced in the past. > Won't happen, the german resources will stay personalized, like pick up an english OP someplace and ask a friend about the g. resources. Sure we will produce PDF's or OP's so the bugger has a proper handbook too... get a life. > to sketch it in a bit i sent all my disks to my dealer in january, > got them back [less the colour separation disk which seems to be lost] > in july and am now at version 2.53g > Takes me not even five minutes to update a set of discs, but if they guy who handles mail screws it up - tough shit. Didn't we tell You the CS disc was obsolete? Didn't D.Pillings web-site tell You? Did You miss CS? How about disc 9, want that back too? > everytime i send them in i pay 30 DM for the upgrade [taking the > purchasing power into account it is around 17 pounds -> half of your > cd] i hope you do see a part of that money? > He does not, not a penny. D.P. has not produced the german resources nor have they grown on a tree. I did those, and I am not paid in gold bullion exactly. Regards -- Martin Vethake Speaking for my own mvethake@ucs.de -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 5 15:33:05 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134887 for opro ; Thu, 05 Oct 100 15:33:04 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970754309:20:28768:33; Thu, 05 Oct 2000 13:58:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2105564; 5 Oct 2000 13:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA09381 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 13:48:27 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA09378 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 13:48:21 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13hBMP-0007ts-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 13:46:58 +0000 Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 14:45:04 GMT Message-Id: <134876@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: info please X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Thanks David but my Ladybird has the wrong y though every other requirement >is met. I'll look into the other suggestions though. Use FontEd to change the 'y'? David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 5 20:14:41 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134910 for opro ; Thu, 05 Oct 100 20:14:39 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970771592:20:20990:14; Thu, 05 Oct 2000 18:46:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2113690; 5 Oct 2000 18:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA10114 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 18:44:19 +0100 Received: from mail4.svr.pol.co.uk (mail4.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.211]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA10111 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 18:44:17 +0100 Received: from modem-28.foxface.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.15.28] helo=localhost) by mail4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 13hFym-00018g-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 05 Oct 2000 19:42:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Simon Jones To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 19:47:46 +0100 Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Upgrade CD Message-ID: <4a08d96c4esimon.jones@capelinmedia.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <134727@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <134727@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <134727@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >But Xara was a flop, and rumour has it that the PC Sibelius is > >actually not as good in some ways as Sib7. > But they are good examples of how a PC version of a program is not > portable back to RISC OS and effectively finishes off the RISC OS > version. > Yes they have not conquered the PC world to the extent their authors > may have wished, but thats another matter. I can't comment on Sib but > Xara seems a very nice program and they are still working on it. A couple of thoughts fom a non-programmer, not just pertaining to this post, but form the thread: Wouldn't the rumoured C++ availability for RISC OS mean that development can be done once, then comiled for each os - ie spend valuable time in platform independent high-level language, and little time on platform dependent stuff? David Graddol's comments about the poor state of RISC OS internet software are very painful, but accurate. We've had no end of trouble with both Fresco (type 5's, indifferet javascript performance) and WebsterXL (different colour interpretation, peculiar fetching (or not) habits recently, realaudio/video aren't possible, Java is out of date, PDF and Flash depend on hard-working volunteers, but aren't quite right. The W98 laptop my wife brings home from school does seem a breeze in that regard. Despite all that I'm anxious to get my hands on the RiscStation laptop. DP's observation of Web-RISC OS and Desktop-RISC OS shows that there IS a way forward if Pace can be persuaded that sharing their developments with desktop users could enhance their standing. Who knows, as alternatives to MS get more serious study, it could once again take off... Cheers Simon -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 5 22:22:28 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134920 for opro ; Thu, 05 Oct 100 22:22:13 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970776149:20:11685:25; Thu, 05 Oct 2000 20:02:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2011365; 5 Oct 2000 20:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA10355 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 19:57:17 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA10352 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 19:57:15 +0100 Received: from usercp14.uk.uudial.com (62.188.156.43) [62.188.156.43] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13hH7O-0000HF-00; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 20:55:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: sea To: Ovation Pro List Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 20:53:14 +0100 Subject: Re: Draw files in Win98 (was Ovation Pro Upgrade CD) Message-ID: <4a08df6a72sea@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a07ef5ce3steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> References: <002e01c02cd0$65b8bf40$0200a8c0@gavinpc> <4a07ef5ce3steve.pamp User-Agent: Pluto/1.14i (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Steven Pampling wrote: > As you say non-too impressive though. Just so. Something to do with the lousy Windows interface perhaps. I recall one evening in a local college splitting up a group into two halves. One half busy with Draw on A5000s and the other using Oak Draw on PC's with Windows. After about 3/4 hour I asked the groups to swap. For the last 1/2 hour I suggested that they use the computer type they preferred. All, without exception, finished the session using Draw on the A5000s. The following week we moved on to DTP with Publisher on the A5000s. Their confidence and interest having been boosted by now understanding the good things about RISC OS (fonts and the drag and drop of files) and how to handle file saving and loading. They had had much fun with Chars and Draws facility for editing characters converted to path, particularly with Dingbats. Lionel -- ___ ______ / / / ___/ 6 grandchildren | Sea Vixen for pugnacity / / ionel A.| \ mith 4 children, | Hunter for elegance / /____ __\ | No wonder life is a breeze | Phantom for clout /_______/ /_____/ http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/lionels | ZFC B+4 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 5 22:52:30 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134939 for opro ; Thu, 05 Oct 100 22:52:29 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970781296:20:27907:19; Thu, 05 Oct 2000 21:28:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2102461; 5 Oct 2000 21:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA10628 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 21:23:42 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA10625 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 21:23:41 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13hIT2-000Eek-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 21:22:16 +0000 Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 20:38:48 GMT Message-Id: <134911@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Upgrade CD X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R >Wouldn't the rumoured C++ availability for RISC OS mean that >development can be done once, then comiled for each os - ie spend >valuable time in platform independent high-level language, and little >time on platform dependent stuff? Yes thats the general idea. >with desktop users could enhance their standing. Who knows, as >alternatives to MS get more serious study, it could once again take >off... In the real world today, Stan Boland the man who shut down Acorn sold his personal stake in E14 (which was formed from the remnants) for 43 million ukp. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 6 13:44:37 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134972 for opro ; Fri, 06 Oct 100 13:44:32 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970798941:20:05546:16; Fri, 06 Oct 2000 02:22:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2107975; 6 Oct 2000 2:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA11244 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 02:17:50 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA10873 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 22:49:53 +0100 Received: from gvine.demon.co.uk ([158.152.98.218]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13hJoT-000LkD-0V for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 23:48:30 +0100 Message-ID: <39DCE7D5.99BF1407@gvine.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 21:43:01 +0100 From: Alan Muscat Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Can we help St Pilling References: <134798@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id WAA10874 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro David Pilling wrote: > It is certainly very well positioned. You can see that one would have to sell > OPro against Quark etc. on the PC (not easy), whilst Textease is something > different, aimed at kids. > Actually, it's not just Quark; look at apps like Serif Page Plus 6. It is extremely feature packed(it actually has more than Quark: pro features too), yet it sells for 30 quid with loads of extras clipart/fonts/wizards/etc. I don't know what it's like in practice, but Opro will be up against this kind of application and its huge marketing machine and support backup. It's a jungle out there. There are even very good shareware DTP apps in the PC arena. There was a pro level DTP app, Viva Press 2.6, given away free, recently. OPro probably would be best pitched in with the Quark niche. Make it very expensive: 800 bracket, thus upping it's perceived value to meet it's real value, reducing the number of users, and so reducing the support input required(the Serif app mentioned has over a million users). In other words, you charge more, enjoy a good income but have to work less hard; devote more time to development. Alan(talking rubbish, I'm sure) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 6 13:44:40 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134973 for opro ; Fri, 06 Oct 100 13:44:37 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970812280:10:29915:14; Fri, 06 Oct 2000 06:04:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1110343; 6 Oct 2000 6:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA11729 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 06:02:35 +0100 Received: from ruin.servers.plus.net.uk (ruin.servers.plus.net.uk [212.159.2.66]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA11726 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 06:02:33 +0100 Received: (qmail 2685 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2000 06:04:25 -0000 Received: from warrior-outbound.servers.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by ruin.servers.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 6 Oct 2000 06:04:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 27466 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2000 06:00:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (212.159.22.87) by warrior with SMTP; 6 Oct 2000 06:00:57 -0000 Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 20:15:42 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: Can we help St Pilling To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <134798@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Wed 04 Oct, David Pilling wrote: > >It can be done with proper marketing. > > Yes you're right I must try harder. > > > >Is it to late to hope that he has not been too bruised by his past > >experience that, even at this stage, he might consider using a > >publisher with an established track record > > So we get a wiz kid who manages to sell a 1000 copies of OPro in a couple > of years and takes 80% of the turnover for his trouble. After he's done > that sales collapse (obvious reasons the market is limited and shrinking) > and I'm left to provide support for years to come. Been there, done that > 8-) That sounds like the bruises have not all faded into oblivion. What about the other idea Mike suggested - some of us who use and enjoy OPro volunteer as salespeople for the duration of whichever show(s) we can manage. Not as professional and slick a presentation as a "publisher" should be able to give but all the income goes straight to David - cheques payable to D Pilling - and we users should be able to communicate our enthusiasm for and love of OPro to the audience. I don't often get to any of the shows, and don't spend as much as I'd like on the RiscPC in terms of upgrades, so maybe this is one way I can contribute to the continuance of the platform by giving time to encourage software sales and, therefore, programmers. Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 6 13:44:49 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134976 for opro ; Fri, 06 Oct 100 13:44:46 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970817658:10:28907:14; Fri, 06 Oct 2000 07:34:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1121999; 6 Oct 2000 7:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA11969 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 07:27:56 +0100 Received: from mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (mta05-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.45]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA11966 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 07:27:54 +0100 Received: from pbready ([213.104.127.3]) by mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with SMTP id <20001006072630.CCVD19709.mta05-svc.ntlworld.com@pbready> for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 08:26:30 +0100 Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 08:22:32 +0100 From: Pete Bready To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Buglet in numbering in OvPro 2.60? Message-ID: <39861e094a.pbready@ntlworld.com> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hope I've just not RTFM, as I'd hate to have the (dis)honour of being the first to bug report v2.60, but, as I've been looking forward to bullets and numbering since the day I ordered OVPro all those years ago, I thought I'd have a quick play about with the new facility. So... Open a blank document Type half a dozen lines of garbage, then select them Text>Format Tick Auto Insert then open the dialogue from the adjacent menu icon Leave the Number radio icon selected Tick Style so that Bodytext shows If you OK at this point, you do get a nicely numbered list BUT (leaving your text still selected) Put in a character before and after (eg. ( and ) ), but leave Tab After ticked, and your selection is blanked out Furthermore, if you untick Tab After, the text disappears and looks as if it's overflowed the frame. However, you can undo out of this, and as the disappeared text is still selected wherever it's gone, you can change the format option to get it back. I don't think it's a clash of applets as I've rerun this with my all my applets off (by renaming the applets directory) Otherwise, love the CD! Slinks away quietly... -- Pete Bready pbready@ntlworld.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 6 13:44:59 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134981 for opro ; Fri, 06 Oct 100 13:44:55 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970820682:10:10620:14; Fri, 06 Oct 2000 08:24:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1111381; 6 Oct 2000 8:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA12184 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 08:21:05 +0100 Received: from mail12.svr.pol.co.uk (mail12.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.215]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA12181 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 08:21:03 +0100 Received: from modem-6.lamark-angel.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.36.134] helo=modem-6) by mail12.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 13hSjE-0006IK-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 06 Oct 2000 09:19:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 09:19:17 +0100 Subject: Re: Can we help St Pilling Message-ID: <4a0923b81brayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <39DCE7D5.99BF1407@gvine.demon.co.uk> References: <134798@pilling.demon.co.uk> <39DCE7D5.99BF1407@gvine.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Alan Muscat wrote: > David Pilling wrote: > > It is certainly very well positioned. You can see that one would have > > to sell OPro against Quark etc. on the PC (not easy), whilst Textease > > is something different, aimed at kids. > > > Actually, it's not just Quark; look at apps like Serif Page Plus 6. It > is extremely feature packed(it actually has more than Quark: pro > features too), yet it sells for 30 quid with loads of extras > clipart/fonts/wizards/etc. I don't know what it's like in practice, but > Opro will be up against this kind of application and its huge marketing > machine and support backup. It's a jungle out there. I don't know if Serif Pageplus 6 is the same as previous versions, but certainly version 4 didn't have much in the way of text entering facilities. I seem to remember you had to enter text into a separate window. Being able to enter and see text (like Word does) in the frame as you type will be a big added feature over Serif. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 020 8864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 6 13:45:03 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134984 for opro ; Fri, 06 Oct 100 13:45:02 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970829011:10:28275:20; Fri, 06 Oct 2000 10:43:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1121249; 6 Oct 2000 10:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA12500 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 10:35:00 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA12497 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 10:34:58 +0100 Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([158.152.204.98]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13hUoo-000EeN-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 10:33:34 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: Ovation Pro List Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 10:40:21 +0100 Subject: Re: Can we help St Pilling Message-ID: <4a092b2421john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <134798@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article , Anthony Hilton wrote: > > So we get a wiz kid who manages to sell a 1000 copies of OPro in a > > couple of years and takes 80% of the turnover for his trouble. After > > he's done that sales collapse (obvious reasons the market is limited > > and shrinking) and I'm left to provide support for years to come. Been > > there, done that 8-) > That sounds like the bruises have not all faded into oblivion. What > about the other idea Mike suggested - some of us who use and enjoy OPro > volunteer as salespeople for the duration of whichever show(s) we can > manage. Not as professional and slick a presentation as a "publisher" What is missing is someone demonstrating. Anyone can go to a show and say to any of 5 or 6 retailers "Ovation Pro please". If it's demonstrated then the individual/group demonstrating is putting in (to that one product) far more than a simple retailer (who is putting in less, but of far more products). There is no reason why the demonstrator shouldn't get a retailer's cut. The work will produce sales at the show and possibly pay for the demonstrator's costs and time (possibly not) *and* advertise the product (product profile) *and* generate after-exhibition sales - where all the profit will go to David. All this is leading to an important idea; the presentation needs to be professional and slick (without being a rip-off). Finally - I know a little of what David is saying. Those of you who have read Acorn User this month will know that I'm designing and hand-making board games. I'd hoped to sell some games through a local National Trust shop and proposed designing a game specially for them based on a theme linked to that NT property; it was a non-starter after they'd multiplied my selling price to them by 2.3 (non-negotiable) to get their retail price - despite their complaints that they couldn't find any local crafts to sell! All of which is why I'm selling as well as designing and making. -- John Cartmell - Manchester, UK -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 6 18:45:57 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134991 for opro ; Fri, 06 Oct 100 18:45:53 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970839829:10:12025:20; Fri, 06 Oct 2000 13:43:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1011878; 6 Oct 2000 13:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA13047 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 13:39:09 +0100 Received: from grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net (grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net [193.67.237.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA13044 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 13:39:06 +0100 Received: from padua by grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net via 1Cust61.tnt11.rtm1.nl.uu.net [213.116.116.61] with SMTP for id PAA06247 (8.8.8/1.19); Fri, 6 Oct 2000 15:37:40 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <006d01c02f9a$391ee910$4d01a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: "Ovation Pro" References: <134798@pilling.demon.co.uk> <39DCE7D5.99BF1407@gvine.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: Can we help St Pilling Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 15:34:01 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 05 Oct 2000, Alan Muscat wrote: > > David Pilling wrote: > > > It is certainly very well positioned. You can see that one would have to > > sell OPro against Quark etc. on the PC (not easy), whilst Textease is > > something different, aimed at kids. > > > > Actually, it's not just Quark; look at apps like Serif Page Plus 6. It > is extremely feature > packed(it actually has more than Quark: pro features too), yet it sells > for 30 quid with loads of extras > clipart/fonts/wizards/etc. I don't know what it's like in practice, but > Opro will be up against this kind > of application and its huge marketing machine and support backup. It's a > jungle out there. There are even very good shareware DTP apps in the PC > arena. There was a pro level DTP app, Viva Press 2.6, given away free, > recently. > IMO it isn't only the issue what specifically can be done within a program. The amount and the quality of im- and export filters and the ease of use of these filters can make a program more desirable, when it comes to choose between 'all good programs'. Emphasizing the presence of these filters can be part of marketing ... Looking back -in anger what could have been a bright future- doesn't help for the future to come. It only absorbs a lot of energy and doesn't contribute to a healthy confidence. mrs. Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 6 18:46:04 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134995 for opro ; Fri, 06 Oct 100 18:46:03 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970849144:10:17055:32; Fri, 06 Oct 2000 16:19:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1112843; 6 Oct 2000 16:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA13398 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 15:44:00 +0100 Received: from scrabble.freeuk.net (scrabble.freeuk.net [212.126.144.6]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA13395 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 15:43:58 +0100 Received: from du-013-0073.freeuk.com ([212.126.150.73] helo=localhost.com) by scrabble.freeuk.net with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1) id 13hZdq-0000dV-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 06 Oct 2000 16:42:35 +0100 Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 16:43:29 +0100 From: Colin Randall To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: RO 4 and DDF import problem Message-ID: References: <134798@pilling.demon.co.uk> <39DCE7D5.99BF1407@gvine.demon.co.uk> <006d01c02f9a$391ee910$4d01a8c0@padua> In-Reply-To: <006d01c02f9a$391ee910$4d01a8c0@padua> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I have recently upgrade to RiscOS 4 and am having a problem with DDF import. I have OPro 2.58. I have tried copying the !TransDDF filter into !Boot.Resources and also put in the new 'Look at' list. But whenever I drag the DDF file to either a frame or the icon bar I get a 'Postmortem' window with the message: "Illegal address". I never had a problem using RiscOS 3.7 Can someone tell me what I need to do please? Many thanks, Colin -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 6 18:46:07 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134996 for opro ; Fri, 06 Oct 100 18:46:05 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970849488:20:07766:14; Fri, 06 Oct 2000 16:24:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2121981; 6 Oct 2000 16:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA13476 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 16:02:30 +0100 Received: from mail1.hw.ac.uk (mail1.hw.ac.uk [137.195.170.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA13473 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 16:02:27 +0100 Received: from punt1.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.150.23]) by mail1.hw.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13hZvk-0008AD-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 17:01:04 +0100 Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk (isambard.che.hw.ac.uk [137.195.32.15]) by punt1.hw.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA12810 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 17:01:02 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 17:00:26 +0100 Subject: Re: RO 4 and DDF import problem Message-ID: <4a094df055C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <134798@pilling.demon.co.uk> <39DCE7D5.99BF1407@gvine.demon.co.uk> <006d01c02f9a$391ee910$4d01a8c0@padua> , Colin Randall wrote: > I have recently upgrade to RiscOS 4 and am having a > problem with DDF import. I have OPro 2.58. > I have tried copying the !TransDDF filter into !Boot.Resources > and also put in the new 'Look at' list. > But whenever I drag the DDF file to either a frame or the > icon bar I get a 'Postmortem' window with the message: > "Illegal address". > I never had a problem using RiscOS 3.7 > Can someone tell me what I need to do please? You probably have an older version of !TransDDF. Download the latest version from David Pillings site. It is actually !Server, within !TransDDF that needs the latest version for RISC OS 4. It is also used in other !TransXXX filters, and they should all be upgraded. Chris -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) mailto: Chris@bulldog.u-net.com (at home) ovpro web site http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 6 18:46:09 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA134997 for opro ; Fri, 06 Oct 100 18:46:07 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970849719:10:01800:21; Fri, 06 Oct 2000 16:28:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1102700; 6 Oct 2000 16:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA13529 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 16:12:04 +0100 Received: from hinge3.mistral.co.uk (hinge3.mistral.co.uk [195.184.228.58]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA13526 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 16:12:02 +0100 Received: from s.v.ellacott.mistral.co.uk (d224-181.dial.mistral.co.uk [195.184.224.181]) by hinge3.mistral.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA03222 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 16:10:37 GMT (envelope-from s.w.ellacott@brighton.ac.uk) Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 15:57:21 +0100 (BST) From: Steve Ellacott Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Upgrade CD To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <4a08d96c4esimon.jones@capelinmedia.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: University of Brighton X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 05 Oct, Simon Jones wrote: > > Wouldn't the rumoured C++ availability for RISC OS mean that > development can be done once, then comiled for each os - ie spend > valuable time in platform independent high-level language, and little > time on platform dependent stuff? > The problem is that in most applications the hardest part is designing a good user interface. So portability comes down to producing one that will work on any OS. That usually means the least common denominator of the target systems (for example the minimalist the approach that Java uses) which is then not competitive with purpose designed apps. IMHO this is probably the main reason that Java has not as yet replaced C++ as the professional language of choice, although speed is also a problem of course. Steve -- Steve Ellacott, School of Computing and Mathematical Sciences, University of Brighton, Moulsecoomb, BN2 4GJ, UK Tel: Home (01273) 885845 Office: (01273) 642544 Fax: Home (01273) 270183 Office: (01273) 642405 WWW: http://www.it.brighton.ac.uk/staff/swe -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 6 18:46:27 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA135003 for opro ; Fri, 06 Oct 100 18:46:25 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970851947:10:03220:14; Fri, 06 Oct 2000 17:05:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1003162; 6 Oct 2000 17:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA13859 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 17:03:23 +0100 Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net (monsoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA13856 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 17:03:21 +0100 Received: (qmail 26728 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2000 17:01:52 -0000 Received: from usercc74.uk.uudial.com (HELO loopback) (62.188.151.86) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 2000 17:01:52 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 17:44:06 +0100 Subject: Version 2. 6 Message-ID: <4a0951ef9adfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain X-Editor: Zap 1.44 (14 Feb 2000) [TEST 1], ZapEmail 0.25 (18 Mar 2000) test-2 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Received my 2.6 CD today and did the install bit. Everything went okay with the new version. A couple of notes for after I'd put back in some additional applets... 1) The Applet Newframe produces an Ov Pro error message "Menu does not exist." Removing the applet sorted that one out. 2) Colour Palette, Style Pal and Page Pal, keep appearing when OvPro is started up, I keep switching the damn things off... but the next time OvPro is started from cold they keep reappearing. I've tried all the nice ways I could think of to get them to stay in the background and only arrive when I click on the appropriate buttons. But alas no go... in the end I had to go into each of the applets Library file and change a few 1's to 0's again. That aside the upgrade was okay. Cheers Dave S Grrrr... from Grumpy Jr. -- _______________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... dfs@ukgateway.net Also... df@dafs.freeserve.co.uk .. or... dave@triffid.co.uk http://www.dfs.ukgateway.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 6 21:10:05 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA135021 for opro ; Fri, 06 Oct 100 21:10:03 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970854565:10:23953:16; Fri, 06 Oct 2000 17:49:25 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1023306; 6 Oct 2000 17:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA14074 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 17:47:45 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA14071 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 17:47:43 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13hbZc-0006TD-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 17:46:20 +0000 Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 14:06:09 GMT Message-Id: <134988@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Buglet in numbering in OvPro 2.60? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Put in a character before and after (eg. ( and ) ), but leave Tab After >ticked, and your selection is blanked out Yes it is a bug. The problem is caused by the combination of a style with a 'before' character. As such the feature is still useable - you usually use a style with bulleting, and you don't usually use a before character with a bullet. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 6 21:10:09 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA135022 for opro ; Fri, 06 Oct 100 21:10:06 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970857727:11:27290:14; Fri, 06 Oct 2000 18:42:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1024844; 6 Oct 2000 18:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA14404 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 18:35:53 +0100 Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-11.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.21]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA14401 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 18:35:51 +0100 Received: from [212.238.92.96] (helo=muyderman-opleid.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.14 #4) id 13hcKC-000Ftf-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 06 Oct 2000 18:34:28 +0000 Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 20:25:14 +0100 From: "J.J. Muyderman" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Upgrade CD Message-ID: <7eb060094a.Muyderman@muyderman-opleid.demon.nl> References: <134634@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <134634@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Muyderman Opleidingen User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <134634@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: Hi David, > I'm working on a credit card payment option. I'll announce it here > as soon as I can. Looking forward to your announcement. Would be great! Thank you. Regards, Hans Muyderman -- Muyderman Opleidingen Nijmegen - The Netherlands (024) 377 83 98-- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 6 22:50:08 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA135028 for opro ; Fri, 06 Oct 100 22:50:07 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970863349:10:16805:14; Fri, 06 Oct 2000 20:15:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1016494; 6 Oct 2000 20:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA14962 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 20:13:23 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA14959 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 20:13:21 +0100 Received: from usereu14.uk.uudial.com (62.188.17.98) [62.188.17.98] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13hdqY-0006To-00; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 21:11:58 +0100 Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 16:20:18 +0100 From: Richard Watkinson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Upgrade CD Message-ID: References: <134911@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <134911@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10 (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R The CD upgrade arrived first thing this morning. Excellent job. Well done David and many thanks. Richard -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 6 22:50:57 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA135027 for opro ; Fri, 06 Oct 100 22:50:07 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970863296:20:14766:19; Fri, 06 Oct 2000 20:14:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2123007; 6 Oct 2000 20:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA14952 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 20:11:55 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA14948 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 20:11:52 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13hdp6-000DBA-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 20:10:29 +0000 Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 18:52:02 GMT Message-Id: <135005@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Version 2. 6 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >1) The Applet Newframe produces an Ov Pro error message "Menu does not >exist." Thats a good one. The applet has a bug in, I found and fixed the bug some months ago, and the whole thing has been discussed on here. So there is a fixed version of the applet around. But obviously what I put on the CD is the older broken one. (its not my applet BTW). David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Oct 7 02:23:48 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA135047 for opro ; Sat, 07 Oct 100 02:23:46 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970874628:20:22833:15; Fri, 06 Oct 2000 23:23:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2022763; 6 Oct 2000 23:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA15625 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 23:19:47 +0100 Received: from smtp2.ihug.co.nz (root@smtp2.ihug.co.nz [203.109.252.8]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA15622 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 23:19:42 +0100 Received: from renet.ihug.co.nz (p148-tnt1.ham.ihug.co.nz [203.173.234.148]) by smtp2.ihug.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id MAA20351 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 12:18:05 +1300 X-Authentication-Warning: smtp2.ihug.co.nz: Host p148-tnt1.ham.ihug.co.nz [203.173.234.148] claimed to be renet.ihug.co.nz Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 12:05:48 +1200 (GMT) From: Ren H Turner Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Upgrade CD To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Ren H Turner, Hamilton, New Zealand. Ph:+64 7 8435779 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id XAB15625 On Wed 04 Oct, Ian J Melville wrote: > On Mon 02 Oct, David Pilling wrote: > >=20 > > I'm working on a credit card payment option. I'll announce it here > > as soon as I can. > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > David Pilling > >=20 > > --=20 > > email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk > > web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling > > web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk > > post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5= 1LR. UK. > > fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 > >=20 > >=20 > > -- > > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message > >=20 >=20 > Hey David >=20 > This would be wonderful! >=20 > Cheers > --=20 > Ian J. Melville=20 > RD 1 Ph/Fax +64-0-9-43= 3-2225 > Tangiteroria 0351 Cell +64-0-25-8= 18-513 > Aotearoa/New Zealand email ijm@clear.= net.nz > Webpage http://Ian_J_Melville.tripod.com Yes for us on the other side of the world... the only option really ;-) Now to worry about exchange rates...... giggle ;-)) =20 --=20 May G-d Bless you and Keep you. ICQ# 27674131 Risc OS Foundation 0040 Ren=E9 Turner Mailto:renet@ihug.co.nz H.I.S.NZ http://www.head-injury.org= ..nz My Personal: http://www.angelfire.com/hi2/reneinnz =20 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Oct 7 14:07:42 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA135053 for opro ; Sat, 07 Oct 100 14:07:40 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970882119:20:21000:15; Sat, 07 Oct 2000 01:28:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2021175; 7 Oct 2000 1:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA15944 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 01:25:37 +0100 Received: from halibut.pnc.com.au (halibut.pnc.com.au [203.13.174.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA12800 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 12:16:14 +0100 Received: (qmail 28131 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2000 12:14:25 -0000 Received: from d7-nas1.pen.pnc.com.au (HELO koalasoft.pnc.com.au) (203.91.251.7) by halibut.pnc.com.au with SMTP; 6 Oct 2000 12:14:25 -0000 Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 11:55:29 +0000 (GMT) From: OvationPro Subject: OpRo Upgrades Down Under To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Having discussed a system with DP, I can now offer an upgrade service for OpRo users in Australia and New Zealand. There are a number of Ovation Pro users down here who are considering Upgrading and as Koala Soft was the Beebug distributor, I have been asked if I can provide an upgrade path. The answer is yes, but, as david said, he is not providing a dealer service. To this end, if any user of Ovation Pro in Australia and New Zealand wish to upgrade, I can co-ordinate this ad offer the following. I will then compile a list of user details and forward these to david with a single cheque, this will cut down on his charges and yours. David would then send your upgrade to you direct. I have most of the registration numbers here for the Australian sales, but you will need to confirm these with me first. I can accept credit cards and or cheques. At the current Aud rate to the UK pound, AUD120 would cover all charges. Should you wish to make use of this, please contact me by October the 21st. Alan Jones Koala Computer Services. PO Box 157, Winmalee. NSW 2777 AUSTRALIA alanj@koalasoft.com.au ****************************************************************** Alan J Jones | ACORN Resource Centre - Risc Station Reseller | Proprietor | Risc OS and PC Software and Peripherals for | K.C.S. | Education, Business and Home Computing | | PO. Box 157, Winmalee. NSW 2777. AUSTRALIA | ****************************************************************** -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Oct 7 14:07:45 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA135054 for opro ; Sat, 07 Oct 100 14:07:42 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970882240:20:26929:14; Sat, 07 Oct 2000 01:30:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2112472; 7 Oct 2000 1:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA15952 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 01:25:41 +0100 Received: from mhub3.tc.umn.edu (IDENT:0@mhub3.tc.umn.edu [128.101.131.43]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA11459 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 03:19:54 +0100 Received: from [134.84.252.193] by mhub3.tc.umn.edu for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 22:18:30 -0500 From: Graham Allan To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Re: Can we help St Pilling Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 22:17:36 -0600 Message-Id: <4RnsLGTN4fZm.2gTR7Sym@smtp-gw.tc.umn.edu> X-Mailer: EPOC Email Version 2.00 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Language: i-default Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id DAA11460 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro To fully pitch in with the quark niche, David would also have to charge some enormous amount of money for support beyond about 10 days after purchase. It would all be quite a change! Graham ________________ Reply Header ________________ Subject: Re: Can we help St Pilling Author: Alan Muscat Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 20:43:01 -0600 OPro probably would be best pitched in with the Quark niche. Make it very expensive: 800 bracket, thus upping it's perceived value to meet it's real value, reducing the number of users, and so reducing the support input required(the Serif app mentioned has over a million users). In other words, you charge more, enjoy a good income but have to work less hard; devote more time to development. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Oct 7 14:07:45 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA135055 for opro ; Sat, 07 Oct 100 14:07:44 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970882153:10:14002:14; Sat, 07 Oct 2000 01:29:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1125579; 7 Oct 2000 1:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA15954 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 01:25:45 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA15950 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 01:25:40 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13hiin-000O0t-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 01:24:17 +0000 Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2000 02:14:55 GMT Message-Id: <135044@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Ovation Pro CD (paying by card) X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, I've now agreed an arrangement that will allow payments by credit card. If you want to do this you pay the special prices - Inside the EU 40 ukp Rest of the world 34 ukp The order should contain your serial number, original registered address and current address, and be placed with Liquid Silicon Tel: +44 1592 592265 Fax: +44 1592 596102 sales@liquid-silicon.com http://www.liquid-silicon.com David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Oct 7 14:07:54 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA135058 for opro ; Sat, 07 Oct 100 14:07:52 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970892632:20:04768:14; Sat, 07 Oct 2000 04:23:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2004681; 7 Oct 2000 4:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA16553 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 04:22:02 +0100 Received: from smtp12.singnet.com.sg (smtp12.singnet.com.sg [165.21.6.32]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA16546 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 04:21:57 +0100 Received: from revilo.singnet.com.sg (qtas0242.singnet.com.sg [165.21.56.112]) by smtp12.singnet.com.sg (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id e974Kcb29908 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 12:20:38 +0800 (SGT) Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 12:08:19 +0000 (GMT) From: Ian Oliver Subject: Re: Ovation Pro CD (paying by card) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <135044@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Ian Oliver, (65) 468-0760. X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro LO On Sat 07 Oct, David Pilling wrote: > I've now agreed an arrangement that will allow payments by > credit card. Brilliant. Ordered. Looking forward. Have a good weekend . . . -- Ian Oliver http://www.crosswinds.net/~houseoftoucans/Index.html -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Oct 7 14:08:10 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA135061 for opro ; Sat, 07 Oct 100 14:08:09 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970904918:20:19191:16; Sat, 07 Oct 2000 07:48:38 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2019173; 7 Oct 2000 7:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA17258 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 07:43:07 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA17255 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 07:43:05 +0100 Received: from userm984.uk.uudial.com (193.149.81.18) [193.149.81.18] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13hoc1-0002Pr-00; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 08:41:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2000 00:19:50 +0100 Subject: Re: Version 2. 6 Message-ID: <4a09762ae5steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <135005@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <135005@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <135005@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > But obviously > what I put on the CD is the older broken one. Amazing. Proof you're human... :-) Next you'll tell us your programs don't work first time. Oh well there's always Microsoft to work for. ;-) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Oct 7 14:08:12 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA135062 for opro ; Sat, 07 Oct 100 14:08:11 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970909311:20:00209:14; Sat, 07 Oct 2000 09:01:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2000083; 7 Oct 2000 9:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA17554 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 09:00:52 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA17551 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 09:00:50 +0100 Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([158.152.204.98]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13hppG-0002vR-0U for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 09:59:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: Ovation Pro List Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2000 09:41:07 +0100 Subject: Re: Can we help St Pilling Message-ID: <4a09a98e03john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a0975c2aasteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> References: <134798@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4a092b2421john@cartmell.demon.co User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4a0975c2aasteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk>, Steven Pampling wrote: > In article <4a092b2421john@cartmell.demon.co.uk>, John Cartmell > wrote: > > it was a non-starter after they'd multiplied my > > selling price to them by 2.3 (non-negotiable) to get their retail price - > Speaking as someone putting the odd budget together for an organisation I > do a fair bit for (anyone interested it's "the most successful consumer > organisation in Europe") I have to say that a 230% markup is well beyond > what is commonly known as a "ripoff" > 'Craft' items typically work on a lower than normal markup - visit any > craft fair and check material cost to product... My parents used to run a fresh food shop and typically had a mark up of 25 to 50% (the latter on items like fruit and potatoes with a very limited shelf life and guaranteed necessity of ditching some). You can imagine my response to the 230% for compact non-perishable items! -- John Cartmell - Manchester, UK -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Oct 7 14:08:30 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA135070 for opro ; Sat, 07 Oct 100 14:08:29 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970892629:10:11598:14; Sat, 07 Oct 2000 04:23:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1127189; 7 Oct 2000 4:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA16554 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 04:22:02 +0100 Received: from smtp12.singnet.com.sg (smtp12.singnet.com.sg [165.21.6.32]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA16548 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 04:21:58 +0100 Received: from revilo.singnet.com.sg (qtas0242.singnet.com.sg [165.21.56.112]) by smtp12.singnet.com.sg (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id e974Keb29919 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 12:20:40 +0800 (SGT) Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 11:59:45 +0000 (GMT) From: Ian Oliver Subject: Re: OpRo Upgrades Down Under To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Ian Oliver, (65) 468-0760. X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Greetings from the land of the long white noodle. On Fri 06 Oct, OvationPro wrote: > To this end, if any user of Ovation Pro in Australia and > New Zealand wish to upgrade, I can co-ordinate this Er . . . is Sillypore near enough in Oz? Or shall I ignore this hopeful thought? Shalom. Or similar, -- Ian Oliver http://www.crosswinds.net/~houseoftoucans/Index.html and http://www.FineCutFilms.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Oct 7 14:08:39 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA135073 for opro ; Sat, 07 Oct 100 14:08:38 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970897595:10:21937:14; Sat, 07 Oct 2000 05:46:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1115706; 7 Oct 2000 5:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA16928 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 05:45:33 +0100 Received: from smtp12.singnet.com.sg (smtp12.singnet.com.sg [165.21.6.32]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA16925 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 05:45:28 +0100 Received: from revilo.singnet.com.sg (qtas2059.singnet.com.sg [165.21.53.249]) by smtp12.singnet.com.sg (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id e975i7b11710; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 13:44:08 +0800 (SGT) Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 13:41:33 +0000 (GMT) From: Ian Oliver Subject: Apologies To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk cc: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk, OvationPro In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Ian Oliver, (65) 468-0760. X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Er - sorry. My ant seems to be having a bad day. Sent mail to individuals, it ended up on the newsgroup. Suppose this will disappear into the void entirely . . . Cheers, -- Ian Oliver http://www.crosswinds.net/~houseoftoucans/Index.html -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Oct 7 14:08:45 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA135076 for opro ; Sat, 07 Oct 100 14:08:44 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970904669:11:13290:14; Sat, 07 Oct 2000 07:44:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1026369; 7 Oct 2000 7:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA17253 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 07:43:02 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA17250 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 07:43:00 +0100 Received: from userm984.uk.uudial.com (193.149.81.18) [193.149.81.18] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13hobv-0002Pr-00; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 08:41:36 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: Ovation Pro List Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2000 00:15:24 +0100 Subject: Re: Can we help St Pilling Message-ID: <4a0975c2aasteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a092b2421john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> References: <134798@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4a092b2421john@cartmell.demon.co User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4a092b2421john@cartmell.demon.co.uk>, John Cartmell wrote: > it was a non-starter after they'd multiplied my > selling price to them by 2.3 (non-negotiable) to get their retail price - Speaking as someone putting the odd budget together for an organisation I do a fair bit for (anyone interested it's "the most successful consumer organisation in Europe") I have to say that a 230% markup is well beyond what is commonly known as a "ripoff" 'Craft' items typically work on a lower than normal markup - visit any craft fair and check material cost to product... -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Oct 7 14:09:01 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA135081 for opro ; Sat, 07 Oct 100 14:09:00 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970919030:10:12839:14; Sat, 07 Oct 2000 11:43:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1108032; 7 Oct 2000 11:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA18033 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 11:39:44 +0100 Received: from mail12.svr.pol.co.uk (mail12.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.215]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA18030 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 11:39:42 +0100 Received: from modem-151.alaska.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.53.151] helo=beeston12) by mail12.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 13hsIx-00035d-00; Sat, 07 Oct 2000 12:38:16 +0100 Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2000 12:38:31 +0100 From: Robin Phillips To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Can we help St Pilling Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4a0975c2aasteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: home X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m User-Agent: POPstar/2.01b12 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Dear colleagues, In message <4a0975c2aasteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> Steven Pampling wrote: > In article <4a092b2421john@cartmell.demon.co.uk>, > John Cartmell wrote: > > it was a non-starter after they'd multiplied my > > selling price to them by 2.3 (non-negotiable) to get their retail price - I also was interested in John Cartmell's comments on trying to market a computer game specifically designed to relate to one of the National Trust's properties. > Speaking as someone putting the odd budget together for an organisation I > do a fair bit for (anyone interested it's "the most successful consumer > organisation in Europe") I have to say that a 230% markup is well beyond > what is commonly known as a "ripoff" > > 'Craft' items typically work on a lower than normal markup - visit any > craft fair and check material cost to product... I showed John's contribution to a friend who is a member of the National Trust Council, and I would like to make one or two points. a) The "markup" is what the retailer ADDS ON to the price. When Stephen Pampling talks of a 230% markup he is suggesting the price ends up at 330% of the original. John Cartmell was very careful to explain in his contribution that the National Trust (in the case of his computer game) was proposing to charge 230% of the original price. There is a difference, so let's try to be accurate! b) My friend assures me that the National Trust is following normal commercial policy in its pricing. It does have to cover its overheads on its selling operations, I would also imagine that as a charitable body it has to keep its accounts very carefully, and strictly guard against using any of its members' subscriptions on un-intentional subsidising of its sales. c) The final retail price also has to cover the VAT which the National Trust is compelled to charge. d) If you "visit any craft fair and check ..." you are not comparing like with like. Many craft fairs operate more like a car boot sale, in that the overheads (hiring a hall, etc.) are minimal. Not like running a countrywide marketing operation complete with mail-order and catalogues. e) Do prices at craft fairs have to cover VAT? I doubt it. So before Stephen tries to persuade us all that the National Trust is operating a "rip-off" I think he needs to consider more carefully and accurately a number of the factors in this problem. Yours sincerely, Robin. -- Robin Phillips, 1, Newcastle Avenue, Beeston, Notts., NG9 1BT; Phone: +44 (0)115 922 4930 E-mail: rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Oct 7 16:44:12 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA135098 for opro ; Sat, 07 Oct 100 16:44:05 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970924574:20:00161:14; Sat, 07 Oct 2000 13:16:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2000071; 7 Oct 2000 13:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA18361 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 13:13:33 +0100 Received: from hotmail.com (law-f153.hotmail.com [209.185.131.216]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA18358 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 13:13:30 +0100 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 06:11:37 -0700 Received: from 194.75.98.38 by lw1fd.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 07 Oct 2000 13:11:37 GMT X-Originating-IP: [194.75.98.38] From: "Paul Hedge" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Russian Alphabet Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2000 14:11:37 BST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Oct 2000 13:11:37.0266 (UTC) FILETIME=[1FAAE120:01C03060] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Does anyone know where I can download Russian characters to use with Ov.Pro? 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Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Oct 7 16:44:15 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA135099 for opro ; Sat, 07 Oct 100 16:44:13 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970927805:20:27625:14; Sat, 07 Oct 2000 14:10:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2118771; 7 Oct 2000 14:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA18553 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 14:07:33 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA18550 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 14:07:31 +0100 Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([158.152.204.98]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13huc3-000Kbl-0Y for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 15:06:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2000 14:05:23 +0100 Subject: Re: Can we help St Pilling Message-ID: <4a09c1bfbajohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4a0975c2aasteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id OAA18551 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id OAB18553 In article , Robin Phillip= s wrote: > > In article <4a092b2421john@cartmell.demon.co.uk>, John Cartmell > > wrote: > > > it was a non-starter after they'd multiplied my selling price to > > > them by 2.3 (non-negotiable) to get their retail price - > b) My friend assures me that the National Trust is following normal > commercial policy in its pricing. It does have to cover its overheads > on its selling operations, I would also imagine that as a charitable > body it has to keep its accounts very carefully, and strictly guard > against using any of its members' subscriptions on un-intentional > subsidising of its sales. The 'normal commercial policy' has ensured that no craft made products could be sold in National Trust shops unless the products are sold at exorbitant prices or are subsidised in some way. A check at the shops confirms that this is indeed the case. That appears to ensure that member= s are unable to purchase unique, interesting or appropriate products. If it is 'normal commercial policy' to add so much then 'normal commercia= l policy' operates a rip-off. I know some industries that operate a rip-off policy. Small businesses generally operate on a minimal - and probably below minimum wage equivale= nt - 'profit'. And keeping things in perspective... my goods are individually hand-made (board games not computer games) and = at the mark-up the NT are demanding they couldn't be made even if I only pai= d myself 10pence an hour - and still resale at an appropriate price. Bringing the matter back to thread and Ovation ;-) David has the advantage over me in that duplicating software is not as labour intensive as making craft board games but; he has far more development costs to recover and does far more 'behind th= e scenes' support and ongoing development. I know from experience that the development costs are ignored by retailer= s - even the National Trust when offered a specially designed game. > d) If you "visit any craft fair and check ..." you are not comparing > like with like. Many craft fairs operate more like a car boot sale, in > that the overheads (hiring a hall, etc.) are minimal. Not like running > a countrywide marketing operation complete with mail-order and > catalogues. Rubbish. The first part may be correct (comparing like with like) but the hire of tables at craft fairs can vary from =A325 to =A3250+ per day; for my rang= e of stock I usually need 2/3 (and have used 4) tables. At the lower end you would be lucky to get customers into the building because of lack of advertising. Selling is expensive - but that is one thing that the NT sho= ps don't have to do. I'd love to have a guaranteed flow of potential custome= rs like theirs! Prices at boot sales and the like (eg church/school fayres) are low for a variety of reasons: stolen; bankrupt stock; second-hand goods; waste stock; last years line; donated goods; slave labour (OK it's the brownies making sweets again ;-) These are not relevant to either David trying to make a living selling Ovation Pro or myself trying to do the same with designer board games. In both cases we seem to have come across the problem of third parties butti= ng in and *expecting* to reap comparatively vast rewards out of our hard wor= k. > e) Do prices at craft fairs have to cover VAT? I doubt it. =20 If the individual is registered - of course they do. Even if crafts are produced as hobbies they are subject to standard VAT rules. --=20 John Cartmell - Manchester, UK -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Oct 9 19:29:06 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA135112 for opro ; Mon, 09 Oct 100 19:29:03 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970933985:20:28269:14; Sat, 07 Oct 2000 15:53:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2028201; 7 Oct 2000 15:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA18889 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 15:51:22 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA17798 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 10:09:14 +0100 Received: from gvine.demon.co.uk ([158.152.98.218]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13hqtT-000Mwn-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 10:07:51 +0000 Message-ID: <39DEF4C7.8EFC54DA@gvine.demon.co.uk> Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2000 11:02:47 +0100 From: Alan Muscat Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Can we help St Pilling References: <134798@pilling.demon.co.uk> <39DCE7D5.99BF1407@gvine.demon.co.uk> <4a0923b81brayd@argonet.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id KAA17799 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Ray Dawson wrote: > > Alan Muscat wrote: > > > David Pilling wrote: > > > > It is certainly very well positioned. You can see that one would have > > > to sell OPro against Quark etc. on the PC (not easy), whilst Textease > > > is something different, aimed at kids. > > > > > > Actually, it's not just Quark; look at apps like Serif Page Plus 6. It > > is extremely feature packed(it actually has more than Quark: pro > > features too), yet it sells for 30 quid with loads of extras > > clipart/fonts/wizards/etc. I don't know what it's like in practice, but > > Opro will be up against this kind of application and its huge marketing > > machine and support backup. It's a jungle out there. > > I don't know if Serif Pageplus 6 is the same as previous versions, but > certainly version 4 didn't have much in the way of text entering > facilities. I seem to remember you had to enter text into a separate > window. You have to know the app. I am only going off version 4 too, because it was free(again another thing David is up against in the PC World). You can create frames and choose to enter text directly into the frame, but it is set by default to enter the text into a separate window(some kind of word processing window and then you click on a tick and it enters the text in to the frame) > > Being able to enter and see text (like Word does) in the frame as you > type will be a big added feature over Serif. Serif has this (as just pointed out,) but serif goes further and allows you other options, so is in fact more flexible. Apparently version six is more intuitive. I'll say once again, as I feel even stronger about it, David you should not be afraid to sell Ovation Pro for 800 quid. The app will be taken more seriously, it will get reviewed. Just one thing: make sure it really works! If it gets slated, it'll be dead in the water. Alan -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Oct 9 19:29:27 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA135121 for opro ; Mon, 09 Oct 100 19:29:22 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 970948119:11:25709:14; Sat, 07 Oct 2000 19:48:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1018335; 7 Oct 2000 19:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA19396 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 19:46:54 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA19393 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 19:46:52 +0100 Received: from userej95.uk.uudial.com (62.188.13.106) [62.188.13.106] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13hzuP-0002Nh-00; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 20:45:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2000 20:27:40 +0100 Subject: Re: Can we help St Pilling Message-ID: <4a09e4bf83steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4a0975c2aasteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Robin Phillips wrote: > Dear colleagues, > In message <4a0975c2aasteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> > Steven Pampling wrote: > > In article <4a092b2421john@cartmell.demon.co.uk>, > > John Cartmell wrote: > > > it was a non-starter after they'd multiplied my > > > selling price to them by 2.3 (non-negotiable) to get their retail price - > I also was interested in John Cartmell's comments on trying to market a > computer game specifically designed to relate to one of the National > Trust's properties. > > Speaking as someone putting the odd budget together for an > > organisation I do a fair bit for (anyone interested it's "the most > > successful consumer organisation in Europe") I have to say that a 230% > > markup is well beyond what is commonly known as a "ripoff" > > > > 'Craft' items typically work on a lower than normal markup - visit any > > craft fair and check material cost to product... > I showed John's contribution to a friend who is a member of the National > Trust Council, and I would like to make one or two points. > a) The "markup" is what the retailer ADDS ON to the price. When Stephen > Pampling God that irritates me (few things do to that extent) my name is there in the header, your software actually quotes it, you could at least try to copy it correctly. > talks of a 230% markup he is suggesting the price ends up at > 330% of the original. Sorry I always tend to think of the same price as the original as 100% and an increase to 2.3 times as 100% if normal traders refer to that as only 130% mark up then no wonder they get confused about the amount they have to pay the VAT man (A close friend is a fraud recovery officer - forget the actual title) > John Cartmell was very careful to explain in his > contribution that the National Trust (in the case of his computer game) > was proposing to charge 230% of the original price. There is a > difference, so let's try to be accurate! Being accurate it's a ripoff. > b) My friend assures me that the National Trust is following normal > commercial policy in its pricing. It does have to cover its overheads > on its selling operations, I would also imagine that as a charitable > body it has to keep its accounts very carefully, and strictly guard > against using any of its members' subscriptions on un-intentional > subsidising of its sales. Note: Charity law would not allow the charity to trade, they actually set up a limited company with the profits covenanted back to the base charity. > c) The final retail price also has to cover the VAT which the National > Trust is compelled to charge. And they only have to pass on to the VAT man the difference between the VAT they have charged and the VAT they have paid during that tax period. i.e unless I've missed something the VAT they pay on office material is set against the VAT they charge on goods sold, they don't actually /keep/ any of it but they end up paying less. > d) If you "visit any craft fair and check ..." you are not comparing > like with like. Many craft fairs operate more like a car boot sale, in > that the overheads (hiring a hall, etc.) are minimal. You imply here that craft fair sales are not paying the VAT through to the VAT man - this is untrue, it should be noted that the tax people visit said fairs to check for unregistered traders. As to overheads, the hall is hired by an organiser and stall space is rented out at a profit so the cost per square metre is higher than the hire cost direct from the hall. > Not like running > a countrywide marketing operation complete with mail-order and > catalogues. Which have costs and VAT costs that can be recovered (at least partially) as above > e) Do prices at craft fairs have to cover VAT? I doubt it. Tut, since I'm not a craft fair trader I'm unlikely to sue for libel, however that comment suggests they aren't passing on VAT to the VAT man in breach of the tax laws. > So before Stephen tries to persuade us all that the National Trust is > operating a "rip-off" I think he needs to consider more carefully and > accurately a number of the factors in this problem. Having seen their prices and compared to similar organisations in the past they are overpriced. Given John's input on the apparent source cost of a typical item I'd say the mark up is too high, in common parlance that's known as a ripoff In my native Yorkshire the reaction is a quick "How much!" and then a thrust of the wallet *very* deep into the pocket. > Yours sincerely, Robin. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Oct 9 19:31:04 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA135146 for opro ; Mon, 09 Oct 100 19:31:02 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 971085241:20:18678:25; Mon, 09 Oct 2000 09:54:01 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2019064; 9 Oct 2000 9:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA23843 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 09:40:35 +0100 Received: from hinge3.mistral.co.uk (hinge3.mistral.co.uk [195.184.228.58]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA23840 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 09:40:33 +0100 Received: from s.v.ellacott.mistral.co.uk (d224-81.dial.mistral.co.uk [195.184.224.81]) by hinge3.mistral.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA16222 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 09:39:07 GMT (envelope-from s.w.ellacott@brighton.ac.uk) Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 09:48:46 +0100 (BST) From: Steve Ellacott Subject: Re: Can we help St Pilling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <4a0a33d464charles.hope@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: University of Brighton X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sun 08 Oct, charles.hope wrote: > > > Note: Charity law would not allow the charity to trade, they actually > > set up a limited company with the profits covenanted back to the base > > charity. > > Charities can trade, many do. Setting up a limited company has more to do > with protecting the trustees against claims if something goes wrong with > the trading. > Charities can only trade to a very limited extent, not as the core of their business. To do more you do need an operating company. Steve -- Steve Ellacott, School of Computing and Mathematical Sciences, University of Brighton, Moulsecoomb, BN2 4GJ, UK Tel: Home (01273) 885845 Office: (01273) 642544 Fax: Home (01273) 270183 Office: (01273) 642405 WWW: http://www.it.brighton.ac.uk/staff/swe -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Oct 9 19:31:08 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA135149 for opro ; Mon, 09 Oct 100 19:31:07 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 971026555:10:05968:14; Sun, 08 Oct 2000 17:35:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1005891; 8 Oct 2000 17:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA21732 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 17:29:12 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA21729 for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 17:29:00 +0100 Received: from userey45.uk.uudial.com (62.188.19.17) [62.188.19.17] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13iKEa-00051H-00; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 18:27:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "charles.hope" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 10:51:27 +0100 Subject: Re: Can we help St Pilling Message-ID: <4a0a33d464charles.hope@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a09e4bf83steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> References: <4a0975c2aasteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> <4a09e4bf83steve.pampling@ User-Agent: Pluto/2.01f (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 07 Oct, Steven Pampling wrote: > Note: Charity law would not allow the charity to trade, they actually > set up a limited company with the profits covenanted back to the base > charity. Charities can trade, many do. Setting up a limited company has more to do with protecting the trustees against claims if something goes wrong with the trading. > Having seen their prices and compared to similar organisations in the > past they are overpriced. Given John's input on the apparent source cost > of a typical item I'd say the mark up is too high, in common parlance > that's known as a ripoff If the money was going into an individual's pocket, then I might agree with the use of the word "ripoff" (How else did a certain R Branson become a multi-millionaire), but when the mark-up is to help run a charity then the extra price is a contribution to running that charity. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Oct 9 22:28:24 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA135203 for opro ; Mon, 09 Oct 100 22:28:22 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 971125165:20:00912:14; Mon, 09 Oct 2000 20:59:25 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2000878; 9 Oct 2000 20:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA25239 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 20:53:00 +0100 Received: from host1.kbnet.co.uk (IDENT:root@host1.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA25236 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 20:52:58 +0100 Received: from akalat (dialup016.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.48]) by host1.kbnet.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA26563 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 21:48:21 +0100 Message-ID: <009301c03232$56fabb40$3094a8c2@akalat> From: "Mike Williams" To: References: <134876@pilling.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: info please Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 21:28:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R There is an excellent primary font called Classroom which first appeared on Risc user Font disc 1 and subsequently republished on the CD "Risc User in a Nutshell" earlier this year. Mike Williams Akalat Publishing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Oct 9 23:21:04 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA135240 for opro ; Mon, 09 Oct 100 23:21:02 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 971127534:20:11572:34; Mon, 09 Oct 2000 21:38:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2104823; 9 Oct 2000 21:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA25423 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 21:37:22 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA25420 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 21:37:20 +0100 Received: from usereo98.uk.uudial.com (UKARG/pa73.argonet.co.uk) [62.188.15.96] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13ikaP-0003gQ-00; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 22:35:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Bob Ansell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 22:37:41 +0100 Subject: Re: info please Message-ID: <4a0af852cbbob.ansell@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.01f (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Keith Bamford wrote: > Please can anyone tell me of a sans serif font similar to Ladybird, ie the > geometric kind, which has a y as a u with curly tail? It is to help infants > learning to write and those are the y's they have to be taught. Other > requirements such a an a with a vertical stroke attached to a circle and t > with a cross bar and curly tail can be met by other fonts but the y is > causing a problem. Any suggestions welcome. I have published many books for primary children (mainly geometry and mathematics for a company called Polydron). I have always used a font called Primary Cheynes from EFF. You can see it at http://www.eff.co.uk/A/P/PchRR.htm The font has been commented on favouably by a number of teachers. The only gripe I have is that the lower case j is often kerned badly and overlaps the character to its left. Bob -- Bob Ansell Bob.Ansell@Argonet.co.uk Bob.Ansell@EdWeb.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 10 02:00:57 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA135251 for opro ; Tue, 10 Oct 100 02:00:54 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 971130383:20:00257:17; Mon, 09 Oct 2000 22:26:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2121742; 9 Oct 2000 22:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA25625 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 22:24:39 +0100 Received: from blueyonder.co.uk (pcow028o.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.53.124]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA20870 for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 09:38:04 +0100 Received: from localhost ([194.117.138.229]) by blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.197.19); Sun, 8 Oct 2000 10:37:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "R.Hughes" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 10:36:58 +0100 Subject: Re: Version 2. 6 Message-ID: <4a0a3280c5bob.hughes@blueyonder.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <135005@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <135005@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02a (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 06 Oct, David Pilling wrote: > >1) The Applet Newframe produces an Ov Pro error message "Menu does not > >exist." > Thats a good one. The applet has a bug in, I found and fixed the bug > some months ago, and the whole thing has been discussed on here. > So there is a fixed version of the applet around. But obviously > what I put on the CD is the older broken one. > (its not my applet BTW). > David Pilling Please (nicely) could anybody tell me ( and everybody else) where an unbroken Newframe aplet is i.e. is the website one broken. Had a little difficulty with the run file under CDromfs but I think this was due to my boot file structure and how I unplugged things ( I hope). I particulalrly liked Print Aid, for those like me who think they understand DTP printing this was really useful, going from that to the Printing section I had a satisfying play with pamphlet printing on my face-up don't forget to turn it round and stack upright and then click left and reverse DJ970Cxi. Well done on some good, fundamental accompanying literature. -- Bob Hughes -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 10 02:00:57 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA135252 for opro ; Tue, 10 Oct 100 02:00:54 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 971130488:10:01336:15; Mon, 09 Oct 2000 22:28:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1000951; 9 Oct 2000 22:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA25635 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 22:24:44 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA25629 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 22:24:40 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13ilKH-000N8O-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 22:23:17 +0000 Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 23:12:28 GMT Message-Id: <135232@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Overflow tranforming point (print problem) X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, >Using Printers 1.64 and the turbodriver for an Epson Stylus Pro >it prints correctly. >Using 1.64 and the photoreal driver for a Canon BJC7100 I have an >error from Ovation Pro "Overflow whilst transforming point - >print cancelled". This message is usually but not invariably followed >by a type 5 crash. Funny thing is, that I'd have said things would be the other way around. The 'transforming point' thing is usually a Computer Concepts error, when a sprite is too big. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 10 02:01:02 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA135253 for opro ; Tue, 10 Oct 100 02:00:58 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 971130386:20:00595:14; Mon, 09 Oct 2000 22:26:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2121950; 9 Oct 2000 22:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA25615 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 22:24:36 +0100 Received: from pegasus.mail.eclipse.net.uk (pegasus.mail.eclipse.net.uk [212.104.129.225]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA23997 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 10:24:56 +0100 Received: from StonarWeb (212-104-133-17.access.eclipse.net.uk [212.104.133.17]) by pegasus.mail.eclipse.net.uk (Postfix) with SMTP id 1F4A04F9FE for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 11:23:33 +0100 (BST) Received: from 1.0.128.252 by StonarWeb with SMTP (Navaho Server Suite v2.4.5 [Linux/i686]); Mon, 09 Oct 2000 11:20:01 BST X-Sender: Martin.Devon@stonar.wilts.sch.uk Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 11:18:59 +0000 (GMT) From: Martin Devon Subject: Overflow tranforming point (print problem) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <4a09c1bfbajohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Stonar School, Melksham, UK. +44 (0) 1225 702309 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.42] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I've run into a problem and wonder if there is an easy answer- I've a document containing the usual sort of things, large text in white on a green block and a largish sprite. Using Printers 1.64 and the turbodriver for an Epson Stylus Pro it prints correctly. Using 1.64 and the photoreal driver for a Canon BJC7100 I have an error from Ovation Pro "Overflow whilst transforming point - print cancelled". This message is usually but not invariably followed by a type 5 crash. Regards to all -- Martin Devon Stonar -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 10 02:01:16 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA135257 for opro ; Tue, 10 Oct 100 02:01:09 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 971130574:20:06229:33; Mon, 09 Oct 2000 22:29:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2129944; 9 Oct 2000 22:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA25634 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 22:24:43 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA21090 for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 11:32:05 +0100 Received: from southfrm.demon.co.uk ([158.152.159.240] helo=localhost) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13iEfB-0005bZ-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 11:30:42 +0000 Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 09:04:08 +0100 From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Can we help St Pilling Message-ID: <33012a0a4a.tim@southfrm.demon.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Cale, Wilts (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message Robin Phillips wrote: > > I also was interested in John Cartmell's comments on trying to market a > computer game specifically designed to relate to one of the National Trust's > properties. > > > Speaking as someone putting the odd budget together for an organisation I > > do a fair bit for (anyone interested it's "the most successful consumer > > organisation in Europe") I have to say that a 230% markup is well beyond > > what is commonly known as a "ripoff" > > > > 'Craft' items typically work on a lower than normal markup - visit any > > craft fair and check material cost to product... > > I showed John's contribution to a friend who is a member of the National > Trust Council, and I would like to make one or two points. > > a) The "markup" is what the retailer ADDS ON to the price. When Stephen > Pampling talks of a 230% markup he is suggesting the price ends up at 330% of > the original. John Cartmell was very careful to explain in his contribution > that the National Trust (in the case of his computer game) was proposing to > charge 230% of the original price. There is a difference, so let's try to be > accurate! > > b) My friend assures me that the National Trust is following normal > commercial policy in its pricing. It does have to cover its overheads on its > selling operations, I would also imagine that as a charitable body it has to > keep its accounts very carefully, and strictly guard against using any of its > members' subscriptions on un-intentional subsidising of its sales. > I have had some commercial dealings with national trust in the past. First I find that they suffer badly through not having to make a profit. They can spend all their income on whatever they want as log as they don't spend more than their income. Thus they end up over-staffed and indulging in extravagances. Remember that they get large rental incomes from agricultural properties. Second they are not open in their dealings. They can through out long standing commercial relationships without notice - or even without telling the people what they are doing to them until it is too late. Third they pretend to various ecological policies with one mouth and then contravene them by their actions. Fourth their internal administration is not good enough and has, to my certain knowledge, cost them thousands because they did not do a purchase of land properly. So I think this reported pricing policy may be solely some local man who is trying it on and may not represent NT head office policy. Try their head office? Mind you I did once buy a large boot bag from them, to hold the wellies after a muddy walk - and I still have, and use, same. Heaven knows what the mark-up was. -- Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org For a patchwork of bygones: http://powys.org -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 10 02:01:24 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA135258 for opro ; Tue, 10 Oct 100 02:01:23 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 971130672:20:09064:19; Mon, 09 Oct 2000 22:31:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2008736; 9 Oct 2000 22:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA25631 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 22:24:41 +0100 Received: from pegasus.mail.eclipse.net.uk (pegasus.mail.eclipse.net.uk [212.104.129.225]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA23690 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 08:25:59 +0100 Received: from StonarWeb (212-104-133-17.access.eclipse.net.uk [212.104.133.17]) by pegasus.mail.eclipse.net.uk (Postfix) with SMTP id 02BA34FA0D for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 09:24:36 +0100 (BST) Received: from 1.0.128.252 by StonarWeb with SMTP (Navaho Server Suite v2.4.5 [Linux/i686]); Mon, 09 Oct 2000 09:23:51 BST X-Sender: Martin.Devon@stonar.wilts.sch.uk Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 09:22:48 +0000 (GMT) From: Martin Devon Subject: Re: Russian Alphabet To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Stonar School, Melksham, UK. +44 (0) 1225 702309 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.42] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sat 07 Oct, Paul Hedge wrote: > Does anyone know where I can download Russian characters to use with Ov.Pro? > > No, but EFF do a set of 4 Cyrillic fonts at 15 ukp each or 50 the set and a keyboard driver at 15. State OS/type of machine. dosve danya -- Martin Devon Stonar -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 10 14:32:28 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA135275 for opro ; Tue, 10 Oct 100 14:32:26 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 971170638:10:13034:23; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 09:37:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1013015; 10 Oct 2000 9:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA27293 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 09:25:49 +0100 Received: from mutt.eurobell.net (qmailr@mutt.eurobell.net [212.24.65.70]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA27290 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 09:25:47 +0100 Received: (qmail 25480 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2000 09:24:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kbamford.eurobell.co.uk) (212.24.66.25) by mutt.eurobell.net with SMTP; 10 Oct 2000 09:24:27 -0000 Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 10:21:07 +0100 (BST) From: Keith Bamford Subject: Re: info please To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <009301c03232$56fabb40$3094a8c2@akalat> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Mon 09 Oct, Mike Williams wrote: > There is an excellent primary font called Classroom which first appeared on > Risc user Font disc 1 and subsequently republished on the CD "Risc User in a > Nutshell" earlier this year. Thanks Mike I shall look into this one. -- Keith Bamford mail to: kbamford@roada.org.uk Why not visit http://www.wyg-roada.org.uk http://www.roada.org.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 10 14:32:57 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA135287 for opro ; Tue, 10 Oct 100 14:32:54 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 971177958:10:26308:14; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 11:39:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1126135; 10 Oct 2000 11:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA27668 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 11:32:15 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA27665 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 11:32:11 +0100 Received: from userey93.uk.uudial.com (bi11.argonet.co.uk) [62.188.19.65] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13ixcM-0005x3-00; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 12:30:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Torrens To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 10:37:39 +0100 Subject: Another entirely OTT Message-ID: <4a0b3a3caarichard@4qd.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id LAA27666 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id LAB27668 Since this list is now off-topic and telling Dave how to run his business= , here goes: Having just bought a digital camera, I'm naturally starting to look at image manipulation packages. So I thought I'd take a look at St Pillings www site, to see what info there is about David Pilling's scanning software.... What a sorry and tired selling medium the site is. There is a very poor specification on David Pilling's scanning software. If I did not know and trust Dave's software= , I would not be attracted by this offering. David Pilling's scanning software is only =A330. But as a potential user, I would think that, a= t that price, it cou;d not be any good and as the site looks like the autho= r has tired of it and has forgotten it, so would I. Now Dave's talking about penetrating the mainstream PC software market. There he will meet sharks. If the advertising is lacklustre, the product will not sell. Dave is used to a captive market, who know and trust his work just becaus= e it is his work. But he does not use the www at all properly to sell his wares. What other media does he use for advertising? Advertising other than via the www is expensive. But www advertising does require writing skills and enthusiasm. Dave does have writing skills! 5 years ago when I got www connected, ny customers were older (probably similar age to RiscOS market as it now is), mostly retired, mechanical engineers, i.e. not at all computer literate. So I padded our www site ou= t with other information (electronic circuits) to attract readers (electronic engineers) who might know a potential customer (mechanical engineer looking for electronics). Today our www site is massive and is a world resource on motor control an= d electronics. We have established a world reputation and our business is growing nicely. I get lots of feedback saying how informative and useful the site is and it certainly works well for us. But here's Dave saying the RiscOS market is dying. Yes, it almost certainly is. But, treated with enthusiasm, it can probably do a lot better for Dave. And I would suggest that testing his www site against a more or less captive market will help him hone his marketing skills. Unless he can encourage more sales from RiscOS I would predict that he's going to have a hard time in PC land! It's clear Dave is going through a slough of despond - but it appears tha= t it is partially his own doing. Some time ago he said he was still earning more from his other products than he was from O-Pro. But his other products are all old, well established and all could benefit from a polis= h up and a face lift, so he could then sell upgrades. Selling upgrades is another skill he will have to learn. And what attempts has he made to pus= h O-Pro? Reviews? Announcements of upgrades? Even if an upgrade is trivial to the author, these add up and occasional, announcements are required! If Dave undervalues his own work, how are potential users to find value i= n it? BTW: does anyone have anything to say about David Pilling's scanning software as it might apply to digital photography? --=20 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Torrens 4QD manufacture speed controllers for battery electric motors. www site http://www.4QD.co.uk ---------- We use a RISC PC 32 bit RISC computer ---------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 10 14:33:01 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA135288 for opro ; Tue, 10 Oct 100 14:32:59 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 971179390:10:12652:31; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 12:03:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1121544; 10 Oct 2000 12:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA27805 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 11:57:24 +0100 Received: from smtp-server.nlr.nl (spider.nlr.nl [137.17.80.200]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA27802 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 11:57:22 +0100 Received: from nararch.nlr.nl (nararch.nlr.nl [137.17.168.66]) by smtp-server.nlr.nl (8.10.1/8.10.1/NLR 29/03/2000) with SMTP id e9ABtSd4970287; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 13:55:28 +0200 (CDT) Disclaimer: "The National Aerospace Laboratory NLR DOES NOT ACCEPT ANY FINANCIAL COMMITMENT derived from this message." Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 13:55:13 +0200 From: "F.R. Polak" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ovation Pro CD (paying by card) Message-ID: <37d5460b4a.polak@nararch.nlr.nl> References: <135044@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <135044@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: NLR User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message 7 Oct David Pilling wrote: > > Hi, > > I've now agreed an arrangement that will allow payments by > credit card. > > If you want to do this you pay the special prices - > > Inside the EU 40 ukp > Rest of the world 34 ukp > > The order should contain your serial number, original registered address > and current address, and be placed with > > Liquid Silicon > Tel: +44 1592 592265 > Fax: +44 1592 596102 > sales@liquid-silicon.com > http://www.liquid-silicon.com Lovely! I just placed my order. -- Frits R. Polak National Aerospace Laboratory (NLR), Amsterdam Airports Department phone : +31-(0)20-5113543; fax: +31-(0)20-5113210 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 10 15:29:35 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA135304 for opro ; Tue, 10 Oct 100 15:29:32 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 971187911:10:07487:19; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 14:25:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1115783; 10 Oct 2000 14:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA28238 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 14:17:06 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA28234 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 14:17:03 +0100 Received: from abacusline.demon.co.uk ([194.222.194.153]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13j0Bu-000624-0V for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 15:15:39 +0100 Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 15:11:39 +0100 (BST) From: Ovation Pro Subject: Yet another entirely OTT To: Gerald L Fitton In-Reply-To: <4a0b3a3caarichard@4qd.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Since this list is now off-topic . . . Today I have sent off my cheque for 35 GBPounds to David for the latest version of Ovation Pro - and very pleased to be able to do so. There is no doubt in my mind that Ovation Pro will become the Desk Top Publisher of choice (if it has not already become so). Of course there are those (and I am amongst them) who will continue to use Impression for a while. I shall continue to use Impression for those tasks for which I have a template and, as an interim measure, I shall use Impression for those things I know I can do quickly in Impression. However when I have the time to experiment, I use Ovation Pro because, with it (as I get to know it better), I can do so many things which I can't do in Impression. My 'Off Topic' comment is that it will be some time before I use Ovation Pro exclusively for all my DTP work. In the meantime I shall continue to use Impression but less frequently than before. It is because I know that Ovation Pro will continue to be supported into the future (despite what might be said on this list and elsewhere) and I know for sure that Impression will not be supported that I am trying to use Ovation Pro whenever I can instead of using Impression. Speaking personally, I rather like David's web site and I rather like the 'understatement' which (to me) radiates competance about such software as David Pilling's scanning software. I much prefer to see the competance behind the web site than look at a glossy veneer behind which there might be nothing substantial. Different people have different views about advertising. What is perceived as 'lacklustre' by one will be seen as modest confidence by another. I place myself in the latter category when it comes to David's website. There are other websites I have seen which strike me as being all glitter but with little substance. I do value David's work on Ovation Pro and the way in which he has continued to support other softare such as SparkFS (now the definitive means of archiving RISC OS files). The only problem I have with the Ovation Pro upgrade is understanding how David has managed to keep the price down to 35 GBPounds! I for one would certainly have paid more. My final 'off topic' remark is that I am sure David will continue to support his RISC OS products even if he suppliments his income with some excursions into Windows. Indeed, I wish him luck with Windows because, if he is successful (and someone as competant as he is will surely succeed) then he will still be in the RISC OS business too! Gerald -- GoldLine - Gerald L Fitton -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 10 17:44:48 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA135308 for opro ; Tue, 10 Oct 100 17:44:47 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 971195983:10:08724:20; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 16:39:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1007840; 10 Oct 2000 16:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA28648 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 16:36:01 +0100 Received: from dino.intonet.co.uk (root@dino.intonet.co.uk [194.73.231.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA28645 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 16:35:58 +0100 Received: from marteng.intonet.co.uk (user141.intonet.co.uk [194.73.231.73]) by dino.intonet.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA14762 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 17:34:32 +0100 (BST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Marten Gallagher To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 17:30:56 +0100 Subject: Re: Another entirely OTT Message-ID: <4a0b6012femarteng@intonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a0b3a3caarichard@4qd.co.uk> References: <4a0b3a3caarichard@4qd.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > What a sorry and tired selling medium the site is. 'Pot', 'kettle', 'black' are the words that spring to mind! Slainte -- Marten Gallagher - marten@annerykiln.co.uk http://www.annerykiln.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 10 23:35:25 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA135315 for opro ; Tue, 10 Oct 100 23:35:23 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 971197469:10:00495:14; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 17:04:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1000413; 10 Oct 2000 17:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA28772 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 17:03:31 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA28769 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 17:03:30 +0100 Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([158.152.204.98]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13j2n0-0004cL-0Y for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 18:02:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 13:46:25 +0100 Subject: Re: Another entirely OTT Message-ID: <4a0b4b84e3john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a0b3a3caarichard@4qd.co.uk> References: <4a0b3a3caarichard@4qd.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4a0b3a3caarichard@4qd.co.uk>, Richard Torrens wrote: > BTW: does anyone have anything to say about David Pilling's scanning software as it might > apply to digital photography? Buy it. -- John Cartmell - Manchester, UK -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 10 23:35:49 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA135326 for opro ; Tue, 10 Oct 100 23:35:46 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 971205757:20:09344:14; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 19:22:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2112593; 10 Oct 2000 19:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA29130 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 18:42:02 +0100 Received: from hose.pipex.net (hose.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.58]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA29127 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 18:42:00 +0100 Received: from loopback (userel17.uk.uudial.com [62.188.13.226]) by hose.pipex.net (Postfix) with SMTP id A2ADB4525 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 19:40:36 +0100 (BST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 19:35:35 +0100 Subject: Re: Another entirely OTT Message-ID: <4a0b6b7c80dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4a0b3a3caarichard@4qd.co.uk> References: <4a0b3a3caarichard@4qd.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Richard Torrens wrote: > Since this list is now off-topic and telling Dave how to run his business, > here goes: > Having just bought a digital camera, I'm naturally starting to look at > image manipulation packages. [Snip a cunning business plan Baldrick] > BTW: does anyone have anything to say about David Pilling's scanning software as it might apply > to digital photography? Yes... Richard, This is an interesting question in light of what you were saying about David's business ethos... I've been using David Pilling's scanning software for some years now... Bought it to enable scanning etc on the RPC as it was then and discovered a very useful manipulation application. Once you start to really use the thing it's capable of much work. Obviously it's not as sophisticted as the kit from Space Tech as was, but then it doesn't cost a couple of hundred quid. As you know I also have a Digicam (Because I'm subbed to the Digital Photo list you run), and while I have Paint Shop Pro version 7 on my PC... a very comprehensive, vast and sophisticated graphic manipulation application, I invariably move the piccies from the PC to the SARPC and fiddle with them using David Pilling's scanning software. Obviously you can't do as much with IM as you can with something like PSP-7, but all the basic and important facilities/functions are there. I don't want to clutter up this list with masses of detail Richard, but if you email me privately I'll give you a run down of what's what. Cheers Dave S -- _______________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... dfs@ukgateway.net Also... df@dafs.freeserve.co.uk .. or... dave@triffid.co.uk http://www.dfs.ukgateway.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 10 23:35:52 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA135328 for opro ; Tue, 10 Oct 100 23:35:50 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 971207444:20:10805:20; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 19:50:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2010662; 10 Oct 2000 19:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA29338 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 19:48:38 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA29332 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 19:48:36 +0100 Received: from useret20.uk.uudial.com (bi11.argonet.co.uk) [62.188.17.5] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13j5Ml-0000Hs-00; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 20:47:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Torrens To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 19:52:25 +0100 Subject: Re: Another entirely OTT Message-ID: <4a0b6d072erichard@4qd.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a0b4b84e3john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> References: <4a0b3a3caarichard@4qd.co.uk> <4a0b4b84e3john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4a0b4b84e3john@cartmell.demon.co.uk>, John Cartmell wrote: > In article <4a0b3a3caarichard@4qd.co.uk>, Richard Torrens > wrote: > > BTW: does anyone have anything to say about David Pilling's scanning software as it might > > apply to digital photography? > Buy it. Probably will - I'm about to send a cheque for O-Pro. But I do like to find out about things before I buy! -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Torrens 4QD manufacture speed controllers for battery electric motors. www site http://www.4QD.co.uk ---------- We use a RISC PC 32 bit RISC computer ---------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 10 23:35:54 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA135329 for opro ; Tue, 10 Oct 100 23:35:52 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 971206526:10:26120:17; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 19:35:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1101957; 10 Oct 2000 19:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA29199 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 19:00:48 +0100 Received: from grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net (grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net [193.67.237.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA29196 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 19:00:42 +0100 Received: from padua by grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net via 1Cust101.tnt11.rtm1.nl.uu.net [213.116.116.101] with SMTP for id UAA23830 (8.8.8/1.19); Tue, 10 Oct 2000 20:59:18 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <001f01c032eb$cfa36830$4d01a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: "Ovation Pro" Subject: Another entirely OTT - objection Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 20:56:01 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro The Ovation Pro maillist exists for the program Ovation Pro. I like to have it limited and restricted to subjects related to this topic: questions, answers, features, applets etc. etc. concerning the program. I strongly object to use this list for 'Entirely Off topic' subjects, certainly, when the poster is well aware of the off topic character of his posting. There are other maillists or newsgroups to start a thread about subjects like advertising, sales, marketing and commercial websites, where such a thread is not 'OTT". The same can be said about obtaining help for not working digital camera's. I have ordered my upgrade and am looking forward to receive the CD with the upgrade. mrs. Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 10 23:36:01 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA135332 for opro ; Tue, 10 Oct 100 23:35:59 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 971210289:20:06385:14; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 20:38:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2105563; 10 Oct 2000 20:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA29629 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 20:24:24 +0100 Received: from sand6.global.net.uk (sand6.global.net.uk [195.147.246.105]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA29625 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 20:24:21 +0100 Received: from p5ds05a10.client.global.net.uk ([195.147.117.94] helo=RPC) by sand6.global.net.uk with smtp (Exim 3.03 #1) id 13j5ww-0005Aq-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 21:24:34 +0100 Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 19:06:59 +0100 From: Mik Towse To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Can we help St Pilling Message-ID: <4A0B68DE8B%mik.towse@xemik.com> References: <33012a0a4a.tim@southfrm.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <33012a0a4a.tim@southfrm.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.10d POPstar/2.02 X-Editor: Zap 1.42, using ZapEmail 0.24 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <33012a0a4a.tim@southfrm.demon.co.uk> Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: [snip] > Mind you I did once buy a large boot bag from them, to hold the wellies > after a muddy walk [...] Heaven knows what the mark-up was. Mud? O:-) -- Mik Towse * mik.towse@xemik.com * http://www.xemik.com/ My writers' site can be found at: http://www.lexis.org.uk If I worked as much as others, I would do as little as they. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 10 23:36:08 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA135333 for opro ; Tue, 10 Oct 100 23:36:01 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 971207508:11:16423:18; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 19:51:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1028909; 10 Oct 2000 19:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA29345 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 19:48:45 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA29342 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 19:48:41 +0100 Received: from useret20.uk.uudial.com (bi11.argonet.co.uk) [62.188.17.5] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13j5Mp-0000Hs-00; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 20:47:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Torrens To: Gerald L Fitton Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 20:15:40 +0100 Subject: Re: Yet another entirely OTT Message-ID: <4a0b6f2806richard@4qd.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4a0b3a3caarichard@4qd.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Ovation Pro wrote: > Since this list is now off-topic . . . ... snipped .. > It is because I know that Ovation Pro will continue to be supported > into the future (despite what might be said on this list and elsewhere) > and I know for sure that Impression will not be supported that I > am trying to use Ovation Pro whenever I can instead of using Impression. > Speaking personally, I rather like David's web site and I rather like > the 'understatement' which (to me) radiates competance about such > software as David Pilling's scanning software. I much prefer to see the competance > behind the web site than look at a glossy veneer behind which > there might be nothing substantial. Agreed: but the (captive) market he has knows and trusts his abilities. He does NOT have to sell himself to existing customers! That observation goes for most RiscOS software: the market is to friendly and too much of a club. That fact is one of the main reasons for the current atrophy of the market. We also as a group do not react kindly to 'glossy' sales pitches. Certainly, when I am buying I want facts and informed opinions. Not gloss and glitter. I may be atypical of buyers generally, but I would bet that my type is quite common amongst remaining RiscOS users. > Different people have different views about advertising. What > is perceived as 'lacklustre' by one will be seen as modest > confidence by another. I place myself in the latter category > when it comes to David's website. I must have a look at Abacus' site again to see if there are recent changes there before I make comment! > There are other websites I have seen which strike me as being > all glitter but with little substance. We all detest those! Unfortunately now the norm. Regrettable. I detect a general dislike of these amongst the general population, yet still the trend continues. > I do value David's work on Ovation Pro and the way in which he > has continued to support other softare such as SparkFS (now the > definitive means of archiving RISC OS files). > The only problem I have with the Ovation Pro upgrade is > understanding how David has managed to keep the price down > to 35 GBPounds! I for one would certainly have paid more. He is far too modest and undervalues his own efforts. Which attitude I respect as I share it, but it does not tend to promote a high salary. > My final 'off topic' remark is that I am sure David will > continue to support his RISC OS products even if he > suppliments his income with some excursions into Windows. > Indeed, I wish him luck with Windows because, if he is > successful (and someone as competant as he is will surely > succeed) then he will still be in the RISC OS business too! We all have our own opinions about how to sell ourselves. I believe my own strongest forte is in technical communication and that is how I have angled 4QD site. It's a policy which works very well and which others here can emulate. It's not the only policy that sells via the www - but I see very few other RiscOS businesses (software sellers or usere) who are growing because of their www efforts. WWW publishing is so easy that I see little reason not to useit for all information that is available. For instance, I have got most of 4QD's instruction manuals available for free download (which I would not advocate as policy for software!). -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Torrens 4QD manufacture speed controllers for battery electric motors. www site http://www.4QD.co.uk ---------- We use a RISC PC 32 bit RISC computer ---------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 10 23:36:11 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA135335 for opro ; Tue, 10 Oct 100 23:36:10 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 971207621:11:21334:14; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 19:53:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1121267; 10 Oct 2000 19:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA29340 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 19:48:40 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA29336 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 19:48:37 +0100 Received: from useret20.uk.uudial.com (bi11.argonet.co.uk) [62.188.17.5] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13j5Mo-0000Hs-00; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 20:47:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Torrens To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 19:53:22 +0100 Subject: Re: Another entirely OTT Message-ID: <4a0b6d1d9drichard@4qd.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a0b6012femarteng@intonet.co.uk> References: <4a0b3a3caarichard@4qd.co.uk> <4a0b6012femarteng@intonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4a0b6012femarteng@intonet.co.uk>, Marten Gallagher wrote: > > What a sorry and tired selling medium the site is. > 'Pot', 'kettle', 'black' are the words that spring to mind! Intersting comment - but perhaps you could elaborate. I guess privately as it's surely way too far off topic here! -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Torrens 4QD manufacture speed controllers for battery electric motors. www site http://www.4QD.co.uk ---------- We use a RISC PC 32 bit RISC computer ---------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 10 23:36:11 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA135334 for opro ; Tue, 10 Oct 100 23:36:05 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 971210300:20:06757:15; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 20:38:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2006668; 10 Oct 2000 20:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA29628 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 20:24:23 +0100 Received: from sand6.global.net.uk (sand6.global.net.uk [195.147.246.105]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA29621 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 20:24:20 +0100 Received: from p5ds05a10.client.global.net.uk ([195.147.117.94] helo=RPC) by sand6.global.net.uk with smtp (Exim 3.03 #1) id 13j5wv-0005Aq-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 21:24:33 +0100 Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 21:22:01 +0100 From: Mik Towse To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Yet another entirely OTT Message-ID: <4A0B753B5F%mik.towse@xemik.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.10d POPstar/2.02 X-Editor: Zap 1.42, using ZapEmail 0.24 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id UAA29622 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id UAB29628 In article Ovation Pro wrote: [snip] > The only problem I have with the Ovation Pro upgrade is understanding h= ow > David has managed to keep the price down to 35 GBPounds! I for one wou= ld > certainly have paid more. But how many ppl would /not/ have bought it, if it was more expensive? Clearly, David has judged that at =A335 the majority of OPro users /will/ upgrade. IMO he has got it right. > My final 'off topic' remark is that I am sure David will continue to > support his RISC OS products even if he suppliments his income with som= e > excursions into Windows. [snip] I think you've got that the wrong way around. :o( --=20 Mik Towse * mik.towse@xemik.com * http://www.xemik.com/ My writers' site can be found at: http://www.lexis.org.uk Burt Reynolds once asked me out. I was in his room.. Phyllis Diller -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 10 23:36:19 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA135338 for opro ; Tue, 10 Oct 100 23:36:18 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 971210688:20:15555:14; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 20:44:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2015483; 10 Oct 2000 20:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA29809 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 20:32:11 +0100 Received: from sand.global.net.uk (sand.global.net.uk [195.147.248.109]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA29805 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 20:32:08 +0100 Received: from p06s11a06.client.global.net.uk ([195.147.219.7] helo=ianadunn.global.co.uk) by sand.global.net.uk with smtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 13j62f-00018D-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 21:30:29 +0100 Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 21:13:58 +0100 (BST) From: Dr Ian Dunn Subject: THE CD To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Dr Ian Dunn X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hi First of all thank you David for 2.6 . It took me a little while to sort it all out ( I think I have ! ) but it's looking ok now . The special offer on HTML Pro is very timely , I was just about to buy it anyway . I need to ask some embarrasing questions now . 1) Why am I getting access violation messages eg in the Levens applet bit when I trying to run install for the PhotoCd app ? 2) Having found and printed off the rulers document I fear I am not sure where to reconfigure what ? to allow me to benefit . Certainly bits are missing top and bottom I think . 3) I was hoping to install !Critic as it sounded useful but I can't persuade the Font merge bit of RO 4 to accept the neceesary new fonts . I am sure this must be something really simple . Please take pity ! ( By the by in another dimension today whilst setting up a PC which I moved I managed to swap mouse and keyboard in the back . Oddly it wouldn't boot . That's what I am up against I fear ) TIA Ian -- Dr Ian Dunn I am going to enjoy this last year of the 20th Century No year Zero -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 10 23:36:21 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA135339 for opro ; Tue, 10 Oct 100 23:36:19 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 971210397:11:10479:14; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 20:39:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1110431; 10 Oct 2000 20:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA29698 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 20:26:16 +0100 Received: from prserv.net (out1.prserv.net [32.97.166.31]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA29695 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 20:26:14 +0100 Received: from jacorn.ibm.net ([139.92.246.193]) by prserv.net (out1) with SMTP id <2000101020244425201fnkqle>; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 20:24:49 +0000 Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 22:19:16 +0200 (BST) From: James White Subject: Auto hyphenation for Spanish To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Spanish Oak Nurseries X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Is there such a facility for the Spanish language in OPro that I can buy/download? JW -- ---------------- HEADLINES: "WinME sells 250,000 in first four days" Which according to our calculations means there are 43.4 of them born every minute... ---------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 10 23:36:41 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA135347 for opro ; Tue, 10 Oct 100 23:36:39 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 971212822:20:28943:14; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 21:20:22 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2028824; 10 Oct 2000 21:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA30289 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 21:18:43 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA30286 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 21:18:41 +0100 Received: from userd035.uk.uudial.com (bi11.argonet.co.uk) [194.69.109.238] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13j6lw-0003bR-00; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 22:17:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Torrens To: "Ovation Pro" Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 21:22:54 +0100 Subject: Re: Another entirely OTT - objection Message-ID: <4a0b755011richard@4qd.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <001f01c032eb$cfa36830$4d01a8c0@padua> References: <001f01c032eb$cfa36830$4d01a8c0@padua> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <001f01c032eb$cfa36830$4d01a8c0@padua>, Tonnie Demarteau wrote: > I strongly object to use this list for 'Entirely Off topic' subjects, > certainly, when the poster is well aware of the off topic character of > his posting. I draw your attention to a recent thread concerning extending the remit of the list. Response to that was in generally favourable to widened topics. Recent digressions from original topic would suggest your objection is not general. I not you did not object to these recent digressions! -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Torrens 4QD manufacture speed controllers for battery electric motors. www site http://www.4QD.co.uk ---------- We use a RISC PC 32 bit RISC computer ---------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 10 23:36:59 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA135355 for opro ; Tue, 10 Oct 100 23:36:57 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 971213616:10:15277:14; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 21:33:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1014880; 10 Oct 2000 21:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA30294 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 21:18:46 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA30291 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 21:18:44 +0100 Received: from userd035.uk.uudial.com (bi11.argonet.co.uk) [194.69.109.238] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13j6lz-0003bR-00; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 22:17:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Torrens To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 21:26:24 +0100 Subject: Re: Another entirely OTT Message-ID: <4a0b75a1c4richard@4qd.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a0b6b7c80dfs@ukgateway.net> References: <4a0b3a3caarichard@4qd.co.uk> <4a0b6b7c80dfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4a0b6b7c80dfs@ukgateway.net>, Dave Symes wrote: > Richard Torrens wrote: ... snipped .. > > BTW: does anyone have anything to say about David Pilling's scanning software as it might > > apply to digital photography? > Yes... ... snipped .. > I don't want to clutter up this list with masses of detail Richard, but > if you email me privately I'll give you a run down of what's what. I think over to digiphot@4qd.co.uk ? I did (by private email) invite David to join that lost as he has, I though, in David Pilling's scanning software a program of relevance. But he did not repond. If you wish to write up something sensible - it would make a relevant addition to the digital photography section of 4QD www site. However - if you do, we should offer it to DP first for his site. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Torrens 4QD manufacture speed controllers for battery electric motors. www site http://www.4QD.co.uk ---------- We use a RISC PC 32 bit RISC computer ---------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 10 23:37:13 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA135362 for opro ; Tue, 10 Oct 100 23:37:12 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 971216584:11:23029:14; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 22:23:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1122960; 10 Oct 2000 22:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA30738 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 22:22:15 +0100 Received: from stolly.southnet.co.nz (stolly.southnet.co.nz [202.49.115.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA30735 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 22:22:11 +0100 Received: from danmccat.southnet.co.nz (p30.netserver1-dn.southnet.co.nz [202.36.220.160]) by stolly.southnet.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA15641 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 11:13:44 +1300 Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 11:27:03 +1300 (BST) From: Dan McCarthy Subject: This Mail List To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R While I enjoy an interesting digresion as much as anybody, some threads on this list are getting so far off topic that they are neither relevant nor approriate. I would like to request that the threads 'Can we help St David?' and 'Yet another OTT' be curtailed forthwith. And PLEASE don't anyone bother to answer this ------- Dan McCarthy, 8 Kings Avenue, Dunedin, New Zealand. danmccat@deepsouth.co.nz THE STEEP BIRANCAS OPERATION - COSMETIC BRAIN SURGERY -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 11 02:12:54 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA135387 for opro ; Wed, 11 Oct 100 02:12:51 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 971217588:10:03464:14; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 22:39:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1125434; 10 Oct 2000 22:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA30828 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 22:38:05 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA30825 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 22:38:03 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13j7zx-0005o3-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 22:35:49 +0000 Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 17:45:53 GMT Message-Id: <135309@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Ovation Pro CD update #1 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, >From time to time I'll let you know how the CD is going. As of now I'm shipping orders received on the 5/10/2000. Various problems have come to ligh. There is a description of them below along with how to fix them. There are going to be changes to the Ovation Pro area of my web site. So this is a warning to grab whatever you may need if you're not buying the CD. There's no point duplicating the CD contents and the old protected Beebug style updates of the main program will go to make way for the new CD ones. 9th October 2000 ---------------- Updated the !!Voucher document in Others.Levens.HTMLPro, price should be 15 pounds and not 20. TransFSI, TransPCD, TransRTF in DavidPilling.Filters contained the old non-RISC OS 4 compatible !Server file. Replaced this with the latest version. The fix if you have the old version is to copy !Server from inside !TransIMP into these three filters. The applet Newframe in Others.Breakwell.Applets.NewFrame will cause an error "Menu does not exist" when Ovation Pro starts if it is installed. The solution is to get hold of version 1.01 of the applet. Or replace writeicon(newf_window,1,string_menu(newf_menu,0)); with menudefstring(newf_menu,0,4,s); writeicon(newf_window,1,s); in the main() function at the end of the Library.NewFrame script David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 11 02:13:03 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA135388 for opro ; Wed, 11 Oct 100 02:12:51 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 971219421:20:14972:14; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 23:10:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2115060; 10 Oct 2000 23:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA31017 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 23:09:36 +0100 Received: from norwegia.access.ch (mail.access.ch [195.112.71.134]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA31014 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 23:09:34 +0100 Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (megapop11-37.access.ch [212.161.131.165]) by norwegia.access.ch (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id BAA18041 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 01:08:10 +0200 Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 00:09:30 +0200 (BST) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: OvPro, picture handling; was Another entirely OTT To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <4a0b6d072erichard@4qd.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: tevens Secretariaat Stichting Van Vredenburch X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 10 Oct, Richard Torrens wrote: > In article <4a0b4b84e3john@cartmell.demon.co.uk>, > John Cartmell wrote: > > In article <4a0b3a3caarichard@4qd.co.uk>, Richard Torrens > > wrote: > > > > BTW: does anyone have anything to say about David Pilling's scanning software as it might > > > apply to digital photography? > > > Buy it. I'm amazed you did not buy it years ago. > > Probably will - I'm about to send a cheque for O-Pro. > > But I do like to find out about things before I buy! I agree. Reviews in computer magazines do exist. I believe most digit-camera's save pictures as JPEG format. To handle these you need some freeware programs (!Jclean, !Jcut and !Jsize). But only David Pilling's scanning software gives you the manifold possibilities of saving/transforming to other formats, *and* manipulate the quality of the picture as well. This way you can prepare the picture for import into OvPro and use all OvationPro's facilities as well. Not quite satisfied? Use OLE for further fine tuning. I used this technique to set up a sales document for a house. Until now I only had very positive reactions. If you have a digi-camera and OvPro, you definitely need David Pilling's scanning software. And need the jpeg handling programs as the camera's at times add unwanted data in the pictures which might lead to printing problems. Hope yis helps to make up your mind. JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch tel +41 41 3706125 | RiscPC (ex-Acorn) Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) .. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 11 02:13:34 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA135395 for opro ; Wed, 11 Oct 100 02:13:28 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 971224173:20:11628:19; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 00:29:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2011544; 11 Oct 2000 0:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA31478 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 00:28:11 +0100 Received: from lion.dna-is.com (lion.dna-is.com [212.21.97.130]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA31475 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 00:28:08 +0100 Received: from pebblesculpt.co.uk (212-46-129-117.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.129.117]) by lion.dna-is.com (1.0/2.0) with SMTP id BAA80822 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 01:36:49 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 01:13:27 +0100 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Another entirely OTT Message-ID: <516b8ab4a%pebbles@pebblesculpt.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a0b3a3caarichard@4qd.co.uk> X-Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS X-System: RISC OS 3.7 StrongArm 2-slice RiscPC 48MB+2MB / AKF85 X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <4a0b3a3caarichard@4qd.co.uk> Richard Torrens wrote: [snip political stuff where I'm too daft to tread carfully] > BTW: does anyone have anything to say about David Pilling's scanning software as it might apply > to digital photography? For photographic stuff to go on the internet I do this... Using David Pilling's scanning software: Capture image from scanner Crop it to roughly the bit I want Save a working copy Transfer it into Photodesk (light) Using Photodesk: Crop it to exactly the bit I want Scale it Adjust colour balance brightness 'texture' (!) ...other arty stuff Save a 2nd working copy (final copy for JPEG) Transfer it back to David Pilling's scanning software (for GIFs) Using David Pilling's scanning software: Reduce bit depth by experiment Save in GIF format ....which just trieds to demonstrate something that's hard to describe about the niche David Pilling's scanning software fills in my work. PhotoDesk is not interested in meagre bit depth images, and David Pilling's scanning software is a rather coarse tool to use for adjusting artistically (compared to PhotoDesk, but it does do a lot of stuff like brightness and colour adjustments). Hope this sheds some light... Brian. -- Brian O'Carroll brian@pebblesculpt.co.uk http://www.pebblesculpt.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 11 02:13:42 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA135396 for opro ; Wed, 11 Oct 100 02:13:39 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 971220812:10:03499:14; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 23:33:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1003439; 10 Oct 2000 23:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA31209 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 23:33:07 +0100 Received: from cmailg7.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg7.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.177]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA31206 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 23:33:05 +0100 Received: from modem-72.texas.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.94.72] helo=jaycee) by cmailg7.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 13j8s1-0004IZ-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 00:31:42 +0100 Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 00:30:17 GMT From: John Charman To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ovation Pro CD update #1 Message-ID: References: <135309@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <135309@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: JaySoft User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.03) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <135309@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > Hi, > > From time to time I'll let you know how the CD is going. As of now I'm > shipping orders received on the 5/10/2000. Various problems have come to > ligh. There is a description of them below along with how to fix them. > > There are going to be changes to the Ovation Pro area of my web site. So > this is a warning to grab whatever you may need if you're not buying the CD. > There's no point duplicating the CD contents and the old protected Beebug > style updates of the main program will go to make way for the new CD ones. > Is it possible to also tell us what serial number you are up to shipping the free upgrades please, and possibly a forecast of how many a week you are doing. JayCee -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 11 13:35:41 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA135415 for opro ; Wed, 11 Oct 100 13:35:39 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 971253093:10:01587:16; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 08:31:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1001418; 11 Oct 2000 8:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA00500 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 08:30:27 +0100 Received: from mail1.hw.ac.uk (mail1.hw.ac.uk [137.195.170.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA00497 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 08:30:25 +0100 Received: from punt1.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.150.23]) by mail1.hw.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13jHG3-0007CA-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 09:29:03 +0100 Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk (isambard.che.hw.ac.uk [137.195.32.15]) by punt1.hw.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA29775 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 09:29:02 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 09:22:30 +0100 Subject: Re: Ovation Pro CD update #1 Message-ID: <4a0bb731a0C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <135309@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <135309@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <135309@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > The applet Newframe in Others.Breakwell.Applets.NewFrame will cause > an error "Menu does not exist" when Ovation Pro starts if it is > installed. The solution is to get hold of version 1.01 of the > applet. .... which is on the alternative web site, url in sig. > Or replace > writeicon(newf_window,1,string_menu(newf_menu,0)); > with > menudefstring(newf_menu,0,4,s); > writeicon(newf_window,1,s); > in the main() function at the end of the Library.NewFrame script -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) mailto: Chris@bulldog.u-net.com (at home) ovpro web site http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 11 13:35:50 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA135418 for opro ; Wed, 11 Oct 100 13:35:48 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 971259820:11:19473:20; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 10:23:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1026697; 11 Oct 2000 10:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA00899 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 10:19:08 +0100 Received: from cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.171]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA00896 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 10:19:06 +0100 Received: from modem-66.californium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.68.194] helo=evanallen) by cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 13jIxC-0000OV-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 11:17:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Barry E Allen To: "Ovation Pro" Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 11:17:25 +0100 Subject: Re: Another entirely OTT - objection Message-ID: <4a0bc1b6dabarry@e-allen.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a0b755011richard@4qd.co.uk> References: <001f01c032eb$cfa36830$4d01a8c0@padua> <4a0b755011richard@4qd.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <4a0b755011richard@4qd.co.uk>, Richard Torrens wrote: > In article <001f01c032eb$cfa36830$4d01a8c0@padua>, Tonnie Demarteau > wrote: > > I strongly object to use this list for 'Entirely Off topic' > > subjects, certainly, when the poster is well aware of the off topic > > character of his posting. > I draw your attention to a recent thread concerning extending the > remit of the list. > Response to that was in generally favourable to widened topics. > Recent digressions from original topic would suggest your objection > is not general. > I not you did not object to these recent digressions! Might I suggest that it is a touch arrogant to assume that just because no one complains then no one objects. -- Barry A. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 11 13:36:00 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA135420 for opro ; Wed, 11 Oct 100 13:35:56 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 971227004:20:06936:14; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 01:16:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2006814; 11 Oct 2000 1:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA31654 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 01:15:51 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA31650 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 01:15:47 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13jATQ-000B2a-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 01:14:24 +0000 Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 02:01:52 GMT Message-Id: <135383@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: This Mail List X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I would like to request that the threads 'Can we help St David?' and 'Yet another OTT' be >curtailed forthwith. Yes I think things are getting a bit too far off topic. There was some point in digressing into Windows, but things have gone far enough. As I said earlier on, if the mail list is full of non-OP material people will leave it. Which isn't very helpful to me or the future of the program. Regarding help at the show, maybe, its been done before we'll see how arrangements go this time. (concludes the St. thread) As to doing a better job (than me), its a free world, anyone can have a go if they want. (concludes the OTT thread). Now the CD is out there should be lots of relevant stuff to discuss. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 11 13:36:05 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA135423 for opro ; Wed, 11 Oct 100 13:36:02 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 971227007:20:07131:14; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 01:16:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2007053; 11 Oct 2000 1:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA31644 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 01:15:45 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA31641 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 01:15:43 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13jATM-000B2a-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 01:14:20 +0000 Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 01:49:20 GMT Message-Id: <135379@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Auto hyphenation for Spanish X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Spanish... No, we don't even have a dictionary. I'm sure there must be one that could be converted to OP format. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 11 13:36:07 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA135424 for opro ; Wed, 11 Oct 100 13:36:06 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 971227012:20:07332:14; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 01:16:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2007298; 11 Oct 2000 1:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA31653 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 01:15:48 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA31646 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 01:15:45 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13jATO-000B2a-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 01:14:22 +0000 Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 01:50:44 GMT Message-Id: <135381@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: THE CD X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >The special offer on HTML Pro is very timely , I was just about to buy it >anyway See my posting "CD Update #1" above, they've changed the price, to ukp 15. >1) Why am I getting access violation messages eg in the Levens applet bit when >I trying to run install for the PhotoCd app ? What PhotoCd app? I thought this was probably the PhotoCD filter which I've blundered on by using the old !Server program, again see my posting mentioned above. >2) Having found and printed off the rulers document I fear I am not sure where >to reconfigure what ? to allow me to benefit . Certainly bits are missing top >and bottom I think . Print margins, which are accesible from !Printers on the icon bar, menu, edit paper sizes. >3) I was hoping to install !Critic as it sounded useful but I can't persuade >the Font merge bit of RO 4 to accept the neceesary new fonts . I am sure this >must be something really simple . Please take pity ! I should just copy the folders Critic.Fonts.* into your !Fonts folder. Double click on it and they should appear. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 11 13:36:50 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA135433 for opro ; Wed, 11 Oct 100 13:36:49 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 971252372:20:20830:14; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 08:19:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2020656; 11 Oct 2000 8:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA00414 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 08:17:50 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA00411 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 08:17:48 +0100 Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([158.152.204.98]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13jH3p-0006LB-0V for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 09:16:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 09:05:18 +0100 Subject: Re: THE CD Message-ID: <4a0bb59e45john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <135381@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <135381@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <135381@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >3) I was hoping to install !Critic as it sounded useful but I can't > >persuade the Font merge bit of RO 4 to accept the neceesary new fonts . > >I am sure this must be something really simple . Please take pity ! > I should just copy the folders Critic.Fonts.* into your !Fonts folder. > Double click on it and they should appear. or if it's something within the !Fonts folder causing problems - just put the fonts in a directory that you've called !Fonts and RO4 should accept them. -- John Cartmell - Manchester, UK -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 11 14:08:31 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA135461 for opro ; Wed, 11 Oct 100 14:08:29 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 971268369:11:29684:14; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 12:46:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1016255; 11 Oct 2000 12:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA01299 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 12:37:57 +0100 Received: from smtp05.wxs.nl (smtp05.wxs.nl [195.121.6.57]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA27434 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 10:03:23 +0100 Received: from delink.wxs.nl ([195.121.162.61]) by smtp05.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 4.05 Jun 27 2000 10:40:22) with SMTP id G27L7C01.Y24 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 12:02:00 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Sprangers To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 12:00:04 +0200 Subject: Russian Alphabet Message-ID: <4a0b3c4a67delink@wxs.nl> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/1.14e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Sat 07 Oct, Paul Hedge wrote: >Does anyone know where I can download Russian characters to use with OPro I've some cyrillic typefaces here. One of them is - I think - PD (Times.cyrillic). I could perhaps e-mail that one to you. Kind regards, Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 11 14:08:34 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA135462 for opro ; Wed, 11 Oct 100 14:08:33 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 971268389:10:17482:18; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 12:46:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1129125; 11 Oct 2000 12:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA01298 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 12:37:57 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA01291 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 12:37:54 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13jL71-000Otc-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 12:35:59 +0000 Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 02:25:15 GMT Message-Id: <135405@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ovation Pro CD update #1 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Is it possible to also tell us what serial number you are up to shipping >the free upgrades please So far I've only shipped one, to someone who had problems with their floppies. >and possibly a forecast of how many a week you are doing. free ones? zero at the moment. In general about 70. Right now the position looks bad. There's a backlog. But given the overall limits - pick a number that won't ever be reached e.g. 700, 10 weeks for what is a one off never to be repeated operation is not too bad. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 11 23:38:38 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA135473 for opro ; Wed, 11 Oct 100 23:38:35 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 971270160:10:06842:38; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:16:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1103386; 11 Oct 2000 13:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA01504 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:10:34 +0100 Received: from pegasus.mail.eclipse.net.uk (pegasus.mail.eclipse.net.uk [212.104.129.225]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA00850 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 09:55:17 +0100 Received: from StonarWeb (212-104-133-17.access.eclipse.net.uk [212.104.133.17]) by pegasus.mail.eclipse.net.uk (Postfix) with SMTP id A61A64FA3B for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 10:53:51 +0100 (BST) Received: from 1.0.128.252 by StonarWeb with SMTP (Navaho Server Suite v2.4.5 [Linux/i686]); Wed, 11 Oct 2000 10:51:56 BST X-Sender: Martin.Devon@stonar.wilts.sch.uk Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 10:51:01 +0000 (GMT) From: Martin Devon Subject: Re: Overflow tranforming point (print problem) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <135232@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Stonar School, Melksham, UK. +44 (0) 1225 702309 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.42] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 09 Oct, David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > > >Using Printers 1.64 and the turbodriver for an Epson Stylus Pro > >it prints correctly. > > >Using 1.64 and the photoreal driver for a Canon BJC7100 I have an > >error from Ovation Pro "Overflow whilst transforming point - > >print cancelled". This message is usually but not invariably followed > >by a type 5 crash. > > > Funny thing is, that I'd have said things would be the other way > around. The 'transforming point' thing is usually a Computer Concepts > error, when a sprite is too big. > David has the answer in the last 4 words. I loaded the sprite into Paint, zoomed it down to about the right size (50%) and regrabbed it as a much smaller sprite. All is now well - thanks for the tip. -- Martin Devon Stonar -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 11 23:38:42 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA135475 for opro ; Wed, 11 Oct 100 23:38:39 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 971270423:10:14574:19; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:20:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1014397; 11 Oct 2000 13:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA01507 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:10:37 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA32681 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 06:26:42 +0100 Received: from useray78.uk.uudial.com (62.188.139.168) [62.188.139.168] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13jFKI-000311-00; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 07:25:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: colinwoolf To: Ovation Pro Mail List Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 07:29:08 +0100 Subject: Re David & David Pilling's scanning software Message-ID: <4a0bacd092colinwoolf@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.14f (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <200010101032.LAA27676@omega.barnet.ac.uk>, Ovation Pro Digest wrote: > BTW: does anyone have anything to say about David Pilling's scanning software as it > might apply to digital photography? Hi IMHO ..... Much of what was said in your letter, is basic marketing and true. David Pilling's scanning software is a underrated product - and this may be due to the way in which David works, he has a need himself, for a product and writes the software, which is usually very good at what it does, (or what it was designed to do). Then he might find that other people have a need for it ...... I might be wrong but, I feel this is how it has happened in the past. It may not be the way that we would have done it, but that is really irrelevant. To the future marketing of OvationPro, I and many others out there would be willing to help if it is desired by David, it is his call. To answer your question - !David Pilling's scanning software is very quick at scaling or resizing, and many other adjustments to images - in fact it is better/quicker at doing these things than !Photodesk. However I cannot do everything with it, and find I use !Photodesk3 for most image manipulation. Hope that helps Yours Colin -- Colin Woolf Watercolour Artist - Fine Art Paintings Graphic Design & Illustration colinwoolf@argonet.co.uk please visit the Web Site - www.wildart.co.uk - -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 11 23:39:04 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA135482 for opro ; Wed, 11 Oct 100 23:38:58 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 971271964:10:01953:16; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:46:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1001271; 11 Oct 2000 13:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA01717 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:40:29 +0100 Received: from mail1.hw.ac.uk (mail1.hw.ac.uk [137.195.170.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA01714 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:40:27 +0100 Received: from punt1.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.150.23]) by mail1.hw.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13jM64-0006Pp-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 14:39:04 +0100 Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk (isambard.che.hw.ac.uk [137.195.32.15]) by punt1.hw.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA09591 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 14:39:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 14:33:51 +0100 Subject: Re: Ovation Pro CD update #1 Message-ID: <4a0bd3b2a5C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a0bb731a0C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> References: <135309@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4a0bb731a0C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4a0bb731a0C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk>, Chris Johnson wrote: > In article <135309@pilling.demon.co.uk>, > David Pilling wrote: > > The applet Newframe in Others.Breakwell.Applets.NewFrame will > > cause an error "Menu does not exist" when Ovation Pro starts if > > it is installed. The solution is to get hold of version 1.01 of > > the applet. > .... which is on the alternative web site, url in sig. Following up my own post - David has politely pointed out that the version on my site was actually 1.00. Very many apologies to one and all, especially David, since it has screwed up his CD. I have now fixed it (I hope) and the version available actually is 1.01. Check the !info file to make sure, in case the old version is stuck in a proxy cache somewhere. Once again, sorry. > > Or replace > > writeicon(newf_window,1,string_menu(newf_menu,0)); > > with > > menudefstring(newf_menu,0,4,s); > > writeicon(newf_window,1,s); > > in the main() function at the end of the Library.NewFrame script -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) mailto: Chris@bulldog.u-net.com (at home) ovpro web site http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 11 23:39:23 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA135492 for opro ; Wed, 11 Oct 100 23:39:21 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 971291054:20:12754:14; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 19:04:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2126072; 11 Oct 2000 19:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA02892 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 18:57:30 +0100 Received: from mail12.svr.pol.co.uk (mail12.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.215]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA02889 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 18:57:27 +0100 Received: from modem-123.antimony.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.42.123] helo=beeston12) by mail12.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 13jR2p-0000RR-00; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 19:56:04 +0100 Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 12:52:21 +0100 From: Robin Phillips To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk, matthew.phillips@christ-church.oxford.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ovation Pro CD update #1 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <135309@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: home X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m User-Agent: POPstar/2.01b12 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Dear Matthew, I am not quite clear where this leaves me, with my current version 2.55. Can you advise? Do I need to grab any items? Love Robin. In message <135309@pilling.demon.co.uk> David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > > From time to time I'll let you know how the CD is going. As of now I'm > shipping orders received on the 5/10/2000. Various problems have come to > ligh. There is a description of them below along with how to fix them. > > There are going to be changes to the Ovation Pro area of my web site. So > this is a warning to grab whatever you may need if you're not buying the CD. > There's no point duplicating the CD contents and the old protected Beebug > style updates of the main program will go to make way for the new CD ones. > > > > > 9th October 2000 > ---------------- > > Updated the !!Voucher document in Others.Levens.HTMLPro, price should be 15 pounds > and not 20. > > > TransFSI, TransPCD, TransRTF in DavidPilling.Filters contained the old > non-RISC OS 4 compatible !Server file. Replaced this with the latest > version. > > The fix if you have the old version is to copy !Server from inside !TransIMP > into these three filters. > > > The applet Newframe in Others.Breakwell.Applets.NewFrame will cause an > error "Menu does not exist" when Ovation Pro starts if it is installed. > The solution is to get hold of version 1.01 of the applet. > > Or replace > > writeicon(newf_window,1,string_menu(newf_menu,0)); > > with > > menudefstring(newf_menu,0,4,s); > writeicon(newf_window,1,s); > > in the main() function at the end of the Library.NewFrame script > > > > > > David Pilling > -- Robin Phillips, 1, Newcastle Avenue, Beeston, Notts., NG9 1BT; Phone: +44 (0)115 922 4930 E-mail: rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 11 23:39:37 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA135498 for opro ; Wed, 11 Oct 100 23:39:35 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 971294653:20:21470:28; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 20:04:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2021037; 11 Oct 2000 20:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA03222 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 20:03:04 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA03219 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 20:03:02 +0100 Received: from userar13.uk.uudial.com (UKARG/pa73.argonet.co.uk) [62.188.136.172] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13jS45-0007ix-00; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 21:01:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Bob Ansell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 20:57:36 +0100 Subject: Strange error- please help Message-ID: <4a0bf6d4f3bob.ansell@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.01f (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I have been experiencing an odd error which I cannot elininate and which I do not understand. I am using OPro 2.58 (2.6 is on order). If I create a graphic frame, drop in a graphic (I have been using TableMate) - all seems fine. If I then click on the graphic or use CTRL click to access OLE I get the error, 'Attempt to use uninitialised bookmark'. I have not tried to set up a book mark (I do not know how to yet). Any idea where the error is coming from? Is it a bug in TableMate - I have had a number of problems with it. I do get the problem with other graphics but not all the time. Bob -- Bob Ansell Bob.Ansell@Argonet.co.uk Bob.Ansell@EdWeb.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 11 23:39:47 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA135504 for opro ; Wed, 11 Oct 100 23:39:45 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 971299017:20:13808:20; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 21:16:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2013698; 11 Oct 2000 21:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA03480 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 21:15:48 +0100 Received: from sand.global.net.uk (sand.global.net.uk [195.147.248.109]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA03477 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 21:15:46 +0100 Received: from p40s08a07.client.global.net.uk ([195.147.232.65] helo=ianadunn.global.co.uk) by sand.global.net.uk with smtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 13jTCf-0000eT-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 22:14:22 +0100 Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 22:13:41 +0100 (BST) From: Dr Ian Dunn Subject: Re: THE CD To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <135381@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Dr Ian Dunn X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 11 Oct, David Pilling wrote: > > >The special offer on HTML Pro is very timely , I was just about to buy it > >anyway > > See my posting "CD Update #1" above, they've changed the price, to ukp 15. gets better , > >1) Why am I getting access violation messages eg in the Levens applet bit > >whenI am trying to run install for the PhotoCd app ? > > What PhotoCd app? I thought this was probably the PhotoCD filter which > I've blundered on by using the old !Server program, again see my posting > mentioned above. it is indeed an applet which I have now succeeded in installing > >2) Having found and printed off the rulers document I fear I am not sure > > where to reconfigure what ? to allow me to benefit . Certainly bits are > > missing top and bottom I think . > > Print margins, which are accesible from !Printers on the icon bar, menu, > edit paper sizes. ta > > >3) I was hoping to install !Critic as it sounded useful but I can't persuade > >the Font merge bit of RO 4 to accept the neceesary new fonts . I am sure this > >must be something really simple . Please take pity ! > > I should just copy the folders Critic.Fonts.* into your !Fonts folder. > Double click on it and they should appear. > Thanks for this . I went for plan B ie creating a new !Fonts ( dragging a copy of the run file and the boot file in from the main one and it works ! ) Thanks for this help , don't you just love the RiscOs community ! Ian -- Dr Ian Dunn I am going to enjoy this last year of the 20th Century No year Zero -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 11 23:40:09 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA135508 for opro ; Wed, 11 Oct 100 23:40:08 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 971287464:10:01046:14; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 18:04:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1119643; 11 Oct 2000 18:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA02607 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 18:02:11 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA02604 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 18:02:09 +0100 Received: from userep66.uk.uudial.com (bi11.argonet.co.uk) [62.188.15.163] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13jQBK-0003YA-00; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 19:00:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Torrens To: Ovation Pro Mail List Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 16:39:17 +0100 Subject: Re: Re David & David Pilling's scanning software Message-ID: <4a0bdf2e84richard@4qd.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a0bacd092colinwoolf@argonet.co.uk> References: <4a0bacd092colinwoolf@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4a0bacd092colinwoolf@argonet.co.uk>, colinwoolf wrote: > In article <200010101032.LAA27676@omega.barnet.ac.uk>, > Ovation Pro Digest > wrote: > > BTW: does anyone have anything to say about David Pilling's scanning software as it > > might apply to digital photography? > Hi > IMHO ..... > Much of what was said in your letter, is basic marketing and true. > David Pilling's scanning software is a underrated product - etc.. snipped. I'm convinced, thanks. I think any further discussions of David Pilling's scanning software would be better transferred to the Digital photography mailing list digiphot@4qd.co.uk which now has 84 members and needs topics! -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Torrens 4QD manufacture speed controllers for battery electric motors. www site http://www.4QD.co.uk ---------- We use a RISC PC 32 bit RISC computer ---------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 11 23:40:11 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA135509 for opro ; Wed, 11 Oct 100 23:40:10 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 971287668:10:08411:20; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 18:07:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1007917; 11 Oct 2000 18:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA02602 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 18:02:08 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA02599 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 18:02:06 +0100 Received: from userep66.uk.uudial.com (bi11.argonet.co.uk) [62.188.15.163] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13jQBG-0003YA-00; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 19:00:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Torrens To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 15:21:07 +0100 Subject: Another entirely OTT Message-ID: <4a0bd806bbrichard@4qd.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id SAA02600 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id SAB02602 Thanks to everyone who responded re David Pilling's scanning software. I'm in no hurry but will get it when I send off for the O-Pro CD. Maybe DP will annnounce via this list when he's in need of more update requests? This thread and the one 'Can we help St Pilling' have made valuable=20 points, and hopefully not caused Dave too much embarrassment. But I think the moral is that the RiscOS market is now=A0at a state where= we can maximise benefit to all by co-operation. It is also to users benefit to help software developers stay in business and help them make a living. The software authors who are still making a living out of it should realise that the free help offered is valuable and genuine and should accept help, where it can be useful, without suspicion. I'm sure Dave realises that. What he may not realise however is how much help is available. But it may be difficult to organise. There is of course no way we, as users, can run their businesses and it i= s up to the writers to organise the free help as it is offered. But I think many of us are prepared to respond to any calls for assistance. I guess the general feeling on all such threads now is that enough has beem said? If Dave wants help - I'm sure he knows who to ask and will do so as the spirit moves him. --=20 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Torrens 4QD manufacture speed controllers for battery electric motors. www site http://www.4QD.co.uk ---------- We use a RISC PC 32 bit RISC computer ---------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 11 23:40:31 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA135518 for opro ; Wed, 11 Oct 100 23:40:30 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 971300941:10:18088:28; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 21:49:01 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1112909; 11 Oct 2000 21:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA03593 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 21:43:14 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA03590 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 21:43:13 +0100 Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([158.152.204.98]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13jTdG-000L8Y-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 21:41:50 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 21:37:42 +0100 Subject: Re: Strange error- please help Message-ID: <4a0bfa8094john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a0bf6d4f3bob.ansell@argonet.co.uk> References: <4a0bf6d4f3bob.ansell@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4a0bf6d4f3bob.ansell@argonet.co.uk>, Bob Ansell wrote: > I have been experiencing an odd error which I cannot elininate and which > I do not understand. > I am using OPro 2.58 (2.6 is on order). If I create a graphic frame, > drop in a graphic (I have been using TableMate) - all seems fine. > If I then click on the graphic or use CTRL click to access OLE I get the > error, 'Attempt to use uninitialised bookmark'. > I have not tried to set up a book mark (I do not know how to yet). Any > idea where the error is coming from? Is it a bug in TableMate - I have > had a number of problems with it. I do get the problem with other > graphics but not all the time. Which version of TableMate are you using? -- John Cartmell - Manchester, UK -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 11 23:40:32 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA135519 for opro ; Wed, 11 Oct 100 23:40:31 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 971301926:10:29662:17; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 22:05:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1103886; 11 Oct 2000 22:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA03670 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 22:01:11 +0100 Received: from mserv1a.vianw.co.uk (mserv1a.vianw.co.uk [195.102.240.34]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA03667 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 22:01:09 +0100 Received: from [194.119.179.59] (helo=Caslon.english.co.uk) by mserv1a.vianw.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.10 #63) id 13jTub-0000DL-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 22:59:45 +0100 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 22:37:48 +0100 Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 22:37:21 +0100 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ovation Pro CD update #1 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <135405@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > Right now the position looks bad. There's a backlog. Well, thank god the position is looking bad! David (a very happy customer) -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 12 02:16:46 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA135546 for opro ; Thu, 12 Oct 100 02:16:42 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 971304656:10:11930:14; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 22:50:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1113237; 11 Oct 2000 22:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA03960 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 22:49:29 +0100 Received: from dino.intonet.co.uk (root@dino.intonet.co.uk [194.73.231.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA03957 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 22:49:24 +0100 Received: from marteng.intonet.co.uk (user173.intonet.co.uk [194.73.231.105]) by dino.intonet.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA19728 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 23:48:00 +0100 (BST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Marten Gallagher To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 23:47:04 +0100 Subject: Re: Strange error- please help Message-ID: <4a0c06589emarteng@intonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a0bfa8094john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> References: <4a0bf6d4f3bob.ansell@argonet.co.uk> <4a0bfa8094john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > > I have not tried to set up a book mark (I do not know how to yet). Any > > idea where the error is coming from? Is it a bug in TableMate - I have > > had a number of problems with it. I do get the problem with other > > graphics but not all the time. > Which version of TableMate are you using? O'm not sure TableMate is relevant - I get the same with any graphic in any graphic frame. Slainte -- Marten Gallagher - marten@annerykiln.co.uk http://www.annerykiln.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 12 02:16:59 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA135550 for opro ; Thu, 12 Oct 100 02:16:55 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 971306331:20:13553:26; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 23:18:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2012681; 11 Oct 2000 23:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA04161 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 23:13:57 +0100 Received: from mail11.svr.pol.co.uk (mail11.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.23]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA04158 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 23:13:55 +0100 Received: from modem-43.euthyrox.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.93.171] helo=evanallen.freeserve.co.uk) by mail11.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 13jV32-0006QH-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 00:12:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Barry E Allen To: Ovation Pro Mail List Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 23:42:14 +0100 Subject: Re: Re David & David Pilling's scanning software Message-ID: <4a0c05e76dbarry@e-allen.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a0bdf2e84richard@4qd.co.uk> References: <4a0bacd092colinwoolf@argonet.co.uk> <4a0bdf2e84richard@4qd.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4a0bdf2e84richard@4qd.co.uk>, Richard Torrens wrote: > In article <4a0bacd092colinwoolf@argonet.co.uk>, colinwoolf > wrote: > > David Pilling's scanning software is a underrated product - > etc.. snipped. > I'm convinced, thanks. Indeed a very underrated product. It was not even mentioned in the latest Archive article regarding 'Spinning a Web' and image processing software. It is just about the only Risc OS software I use for image processing. Photodesk, can someone write an old thick person's guide? I must confess to using Adobe Photo Deluxe and Print drivers on my PC. -- Barry A. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 12 03:18:34 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA135569 for opro ; Thu, 12 Oct 100 03:18:30 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 971313823:10:08351:14; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 01:23:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1008261; 12 Oct 2000 1:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA04589 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 01:21:59 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA02524 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 17:25:53 +0100 Received: from southfrm.demon.co.uk ([158.152.159.240] helo=localhost) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13jPcD-0001Q8-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 17:24:30 +0000 Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 22:46:48 +0100 From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Yet another entirely OTT Message-ID: <65fe7c0b4a.tim@southfrm.demon.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Cale, Wilts (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message Ovation Pro wrote: > > Speaking personally, I rather like David's web site and I rather like > the 'understatement' which (to me) radiates competance about such > software as David Pilling's scanning software. I much prefer to see the competance > behind the web site than look at a glossy veneer behind which > there might be nothing substantial. > > Different people have different views about advertising. What > is perceived as 'lacklustre' by one will be seen as modest > confidence by another. I place myself in the latter category > when it comes to David's website. > > There are other websites I have seen which strike me as being > all glitter but with little substance. > Memory Lane comes into view... Who remembers some brilliant adverts in the likes of Acorn User, possibly in the late 1980s for disc drives, second processors, etc at very reasonable proces for the promised performance? I even sent them a cheque for 500 odd. They were unable to deliver; the chap eloquently told em that the bustle I could hear on the phone was all the people sweating away at the final stages of development. Eventually I had had enough and asked for my money back. And got it. Three months later the balloon burst. The firm had not been paying the advertisers for a little while. They had taken in quite a lot of money. They were now broke. And had produced nothing. The police got involved but had difficulty establishing fraud. Dunno what the result was. I was lucky: I got my money back. How many did not? So I have been suspicious of high level marketing ever since. I share Gerald's concerns. -- Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org For a patchwork of bygones: http://powys.org -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 12 03:18:40 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA135571 for opro ; Thu, 12 Oct 100 03:18:37 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 971313823:11:06877:15; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 01:23:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1106761; 12 Oct 2000 1:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA04590 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 01:22:01 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA04580 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 01:21:56 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13jX2w-000M0X-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 01:20:34 +0000 Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 02:12:27 GMT Message-Id: <135542@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ovation Pro CD update #1 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I am not quite clear where this leaves me, with my current version 2.55. Can >you advise? Do I need to grab any items? Obviously this was personal mail which went to the list. But yes no one should be stuck on versions older than 2.58. So at least get the upgrade file. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 12 03:18:43 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA135572 for opro ; Thu, 12 Oct 100 03:18:42 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 971313853:10:09400:14; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 01:24:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1009014; 12 Oct 2000 1:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA04591 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 01:22:02 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA04584 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 01:21:57 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13jX2w-000M0X-4S for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 01:20:35 +0000 Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 02:14:35 GMT Message-Id: <135544@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Strange error- please help X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >If I then click on the graphic or use CTRL click to access OLE I get the >error, 'Attempt to use uninitialised bookmark'. One of Dr. Thompsons applets I'd guess. (endnotes etc.) David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 12 17:45:34 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA135606 for opro ; Thu, 12 Oct 100 17:45:32 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 971360085:20:09586:14; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 14:14:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2128088; 12 Oct 2000 14:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA06344 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 13:59:12 +0100 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail3.ox.ac.uk [129.67.1.180]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA05607 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 07:11:31 +0100 Received: from heraldgate1.oucs.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.49] helo=frontend1.herald.ox.ac.uk ident=exim) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1) id 13jcVF-00073j-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 08:10:09 +0100 Received: from catz-79b.stcatz.ox.ac.uk ([129.67.7.167] helo=catz-7A7) by frontend1.herald.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 13jcVE-0002hu-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 08:10:08 +0100 Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 08:09:53 From: Russell Palmer To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Strange error- please help Mailer: ArpieMail version 0.20 User-Agent: POPstar/2.02 Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > > > I have not tried to set up a book mark (I do not know how to yet). Any > > > idea where the error is coming from? Is it a bug in TableMate - I have > > > had a number of problems with it. I do get the problem with other > > > graphics but not all the time. > > Which version of TableMate are you using? > > O'm not sure TableMate is relevant - I get the same with any graphic in any > graphic frame. I seem to remember this was something to do with the WordWorks applet, although it got fixed in an update AFAIR. Have you got Russ -- An eternity is very, very long. Especially towards the end. ___ ____ ____ ____ ___ | \ | || ||_ _|| _| Russell Palmer | |\ \ | ^ || ^__| _||_ | |_ russell.palmer@stcatz.ox.ac.uk | _ \|_|\_\|_| |____|| |_ arpie@argonet.co.uk |_| \_\ |___| -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 12 17:45:54 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA135614 for opro ; Thu, 12 Oct 100 17:45:52 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 971367999:10:00348:15; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 16:26:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1105022; 12 Oct 2000 16:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA06710 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 16:18:43 +0100 Received: from mail3.svr.pol.co.uk (mail3.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.19]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA06707 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 16:18:40 +0100 Received: from modem-83.lemonpeel-angel.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.37.83] helo=magray.freeserve.co.uk) by mail3.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 13jl2c-0003h7-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 17:17:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 16:35:03 +0100 Subject: Re: Yet another entirely OTT Message-ID: <4a0c62a14erayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <65fe7c0b4a.tim@southfrm.demon.co.uk> References: <65fe7c0b4a.tim@southfrm.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: > Three months later the balloon burst. The firm had not been paying the > advertisers for a little while. They had taken in quite a lot of money. > They were now broke. And had produced nothing. The police got involved > but had difficulty establishing fraud. Dunno what the result was. > I was lucky: I got my money back. How many did not? I didn't - I lost 50 quid for a disc interface that never materialised. I did contact Acorn User (or was it Micro User at the time) and asked why they were still carrying adverts for a firm that wasn't producing the goods, but they declined to offer any assistance. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 020 8864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 12 19:13:31 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA135622 for opro ; Thu, 12 Oct 100 19:13:29 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 971370558:10:11231:15; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 17:09:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1011130; 12 Oct 2000 17:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA06937 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 17:06:14 +0100 Received: from tungsten.btinternet.com (tungsten.btinternet.com [194.73.73.81]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA06934 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 17:06:12 +0100 Received: from [213.1.144.173] (helo=localhost) by tungsten.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.03 #83) id 13jlmi-00021k-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 18:04:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: VinceH To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 08:52:57 +0100 Subject: Re: Ovation Pro CD update #1 Message-ID: <4a0c38530evinceh@softrock.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <135542@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <135542@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/3.50) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <135542@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > But yes no one should be stuck on versions older than 2.58. Whyever not? I'm still on 2.46! > So at least get the upgrade file. Nah... s'not worth bothering. I'll be sending a cheque with the registration card - once I can work out where I hid the card in the first place, when I should have filled it in and sent it, about 2 and a half years ago. VinceH -- WebChange2 for RISC OS: 12ukp. Limited function version and order form from:- http://www.softrock.co.uk/webchange/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 12 21:07:06 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA135625 for opro ; Thu, 12 Oct 100 21:07:04 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 971379017:20:19405:14; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 19:30:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2019287; 12 Oct 2000 19:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA07257 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 19:27:48 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA07254 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 19:27:46 +0100 Received: from userec51.uk.uudial.com (UKARG/pa73.argonet.co.uk) [62.188.10.131] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13jnzj-0005KS-00; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 20:26:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Bob Ansell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 20:26:03 +0100 Subject: Re: Strange error- please help Message-ID: <4a0c77c750bob.ansell@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a0c06589emarteng@intonet.co.uk> References: <4a0bf6d4f3bob.ansell@argonet.co.uk> <4a0bfa8094john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.01f (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <4a0c06589emarteng@intonet.co.uk>, Marten Gallagher wrote: > > > I have not tried to set up a book mark (I do not know how to yet). Any > > > idea where the error is coming from? Is it a bug in TableMate - I have > > > had a number of problems with it. I do get the problem with other > > > graphics but not all the time. > > Which version of TableMate are you using? > O'm not sure TableMate is relevant - I get the same with any graphic in any > graphic frame. For the record, it is what I believe to be the latest version 5.00b dated 02/12/99. Bob -- Bob Ansell Bob.Ansell@Argonet.co.uk Bob.Ansell@EdWeb.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 13 01:34:42 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA135639 for opro ; Fri, 13 Oct 100 01:34:40 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 971382502:20:00962:36; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 20:28:22 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2000410; 12 Oct 2000 20:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA07460 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 20:27:09 +0100 Received: from mgw-x2.nokia.com (mgw-x2.nokia.com [131.228.20.22]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA06581 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 15:10:29 +0100 From: Received: from esebh03nok.ntc.nokia.com (esebh03nok.ntc.nokia.com [131.228.118.244]) by mgw-x2.nokia.com (8.10.2/8.10.2/Nokia) with ESMTP id e9CF8vP23569 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 18:08:57 +0300 (EET DST) Received: by esebh03nok with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2652.78) id <4YDQB4NZ>; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 18:08:57 +0300 Message-ID: To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Search and replace on styles? Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 18:08:56 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2652.78) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, Does anyone know how to search for text with certain styles and/or effects and replace with the found text but with a different style/effect? I seem to remember it was quite easy to do this in Impression Publisher, but I might be wrong. The actual task I want to achieve is a bit simpler: I need to search for the first character (always the same 'o') on each new line and change its font to Selwyn, without changing the rest of the line. Any ideas? On another issue related to the same problem, is it possible to change the order that effects/styles are aplied to the text? I wanted to change the font of a block of text, but keep the characters which are defined with Selwyn font as symbols. If you apply the new font to the whole selection, the symbols change font as well. Would it be possible to "push the new effect to the back", so that Selwyn gets applied over the top, if you see what I mean? I know I could change the base style font, but that would change all text in the document which I don't want to do. Thanks, Jonathan Mist -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 13 01:34:48 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA135640 for opro ; Fri, 13 Oct 100 01:34:46 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 971382575:20:03431:16; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 20:29:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2003299; 12 Oct 2000 20:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA07461 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 20:27:10 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA07457 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 20:27:07 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13jovA-000MIo-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 20:25:44 +0000 Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 21:13:23 GMT Message-Id: <135633@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Search and replace on styles? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Does anyone know how to search for text with certain styles and/or effects Yes there's an applet SRWE - on your CD 8-) or the support site http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ When I was working on the CD the ability to search/replace with styles was something I wished was supported in the program. >On another issue related to the same problem, is it possible to change the >order that effects/styles are aplied to the text? Effects are always applied on top of styles. >I wanted to change the >font of a block of text, but keep the characters which are defined with >Selwyn font as symbols. If you apply the new font to the whole selection, >the symbols change font as well. Would it be possible to "push the new >effect to the back" Well yes if the new font is applied as a style and Selwyn is applied as an effect. Or if there are 2 styles. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 13 01:34:54 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA135643 for opro ; Fri, 13 Oct 100 01:34:52 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 971387026:10:29223:14; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 21:43:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1029195; 12 Oct 2000 21:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA07824 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 21:42:44 +0100 Received: from norwegia.access.ch (mail.access.ch [195.112.71.134]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA07821 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 21:42:41 +0100 Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (megapop10-2.access.ch [212.161.131.2]) by norwegia.access.ch (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA28185 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 23:41:18 +0200 Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 23:19:47 +0200 (BST) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: Strange error- please help To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <4a0bf6d4f3bob.ansell@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: tevens Secretariaat Stichting Van Vredenburch X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > If I then click on the graphic or use CTRL click to access OLE I get the > error, 'Attempt to use uninitialised bookmark'. David Pilling's reply probably has made you aware that an applet is giving you problems. Also check that you do not have the !Bookmark and !!!!!!!bm applets installed/active at the same time. JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch tel +41 41 3706125 | RiscPC (ex-Acorn) Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) .. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Oct 14 01:56:01 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA135705 for opro ; Sat, 14 Oct 100 01:55:59 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 971477967:20:24793:15; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 22:59:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2116774; 13 Oct 2000 22:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA11074 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 22:55:20 +0100 Received: from imo-r19.mail.aol.com (imo-r19.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.73]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA11071 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 22:55:18 +0100 From: Received: from Tomhopley@aol.com by imo-r19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.31.) id d.c6.be6ec03 (8512) for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 18:53:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 18:53:21 EDT Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Upgrade CD To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 102 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id WAA11072 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id WAB11074 Status: R In a message dated 10/1/00 5:23:14 PM GMT Daylight Time, Tomhopley@aol.co= m=20 writes: > For the past 9 years or so I've been watching the wrong serial number c= ome=20 up=20 > each time on my OPro splash screen - I'd transposed two digits when I=20 typed=20 > it in. Thanks, David, for the warning. > =20 > Thanks also for the hundreds of poundsworth - at M$ rates - of free=20 updates=20 > I've already received for my original OPro version 2.42. Even as a fu= lly=20 > qualified skinflint and adopted Yorkshireman I find it difficult to wr= ite=20 a=20 > cheque for only 35 ukp for the CD. Perhaps we should transpose those = two=20 > digits too. I sent the e-mail quoted in part above and waited for more OvPro-ers to=20 follow my lead. I think a tiny one-off extra payment just from me would have been insulti= ng=20 to David Pilling. I was heartened to see the thread "How can we help St Pilling?", but this= =20 degenerated into a discussion on the National Trust! Today I sent my miserable cheque for 35ukp for the CD. But only after I'= d=20 decided that the first thing I'd use it for would be a Christmas greeting= to=20 David, enclosing a cheque for a further =A315. Tax man please note - it'= s a=20 small Christmas gift, NOT earnings! (and still nothing like its true val= ue) If I'm the only one to do this it'll be an insult. May I suggest all=20 OvPro-Upgraders do the same when they've received their CD? This way we=20 really could try to help St Pilling - at least with his Christmas expense= s. TomH =20 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Oct 14 15:21:58 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA135728 for opro ; Sat, 14 Oct 100 15:21:56 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 971533110:10:02664:85; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 14:18:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1016511; 14 Oct 2000 13:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA13136 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 13:31:20 +0100 Received: from dino.intonet.co.uk (root@dino.intonet.co.uk [194.73.231.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA13132 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 13:31:16 +0100 Received: from marteng.intonet.co.uk (user167.intonet.co.uk [194.73.231.99]) by dino.intonet.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA14278 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 14:29:52 +0100 (BST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Marten Gallagher To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 14:19:43 +0100 Subject: Re: Strange error- please help Message-ID: <4a0d5de968marteng@intonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a0d469214bob.ansell@argonet.co.uk> References: <4a0bf6d4f3bob.ansell@argonet.co.uk> <4a0d469214bob.ansell@ar User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > Trouble is, which one was it causing the problem? I can put each one > back one at a time and do an exhaustive test but I'm hoping someone has > a few pointers. I have installed most of those on the web site. I 'deactivated' (not deleted) WordWorks applet and the problem disappeared. Slainte -- Marten Gallagher - marten@annerykiln.co.uk http://www.annerykiln.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Oct 14 15:22:08 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA135733 for opro ; Sat, 14 Oct 100 15:22:06 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 971528565:20:19736:483; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 13:02:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2116617; 14 Oct 2000 12:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA12343 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 09:42:13 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA12340 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 09:42:11 +0100 Received: from usern440.uk.uudial.com (UKARG/pa73.argonet.co.uk) [193.149.84.219] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13kNo7-0004qD-00; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 10:40:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Bob Ansell To: OVATIONP-L Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 10:04:46 +0100 Subject: Re: Strange error- please help Message-ID: <4a0d469214bob.ansell@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4a0bf6d4f3bob.ansell@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.01f (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article , Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch wrote: > > If I then click on the graphic or use CTRL click to access OLE I get the > > error, 'Attempt to use uninitialised bookmark'. > David Pilling's reply probably has made you aware that an applet is > giving you problems. Also check that you do not have the !Bookmark and > !!!!!!!bm applets installed/active at the same time. Thanks for this and other tips but the problem seems to be stranger now. I did have the Bookmark applet and so I de-activated it - rebooted machine, but no change. I then removed this applet from the Applet folder - rebooted, still no change. I then removed all applets and problem solved. I do not have the other one mentioned - ie !!!!!!!!bm Trouble is, which one was it causing the problem? I can put each one back one at a time and do an exhaustive test but I'm hoping someone has a few pointers. I have installed most of those on the web site. Bob -- Bob Ansell Bob.Ansell@Argonet.co.uk Bob.Ansell@EdWeb.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Oct 14 15:22:12 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA135735 for opro ; Sat, 14 Oct 100 15:22:11 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 971529853:20:12259:719; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 13:24:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2103045; 14 Oct 2000 12:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA12783 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 12:14:05 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA10968 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 22:18:25 +0100 Received: from southfrm.demon.co.uk ([158.152.159.240] helo=localhost) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13kD8Q-0001Cf-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 22:17:02 +0000 Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 22:04:44 +0100 From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: <56d0800c4a.tim@southfrm.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Cale, Wilts (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Subject: An Illuminated Manuscript MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I am trying to produce something that is similar to illuminated manuscripts. That is each section starts with a little artwork in the first paragraph. The sections are not chapters and can start anywhere on the page. Now I am continually editing the manuscript so the artworks have to be embedded to move up and down with the flow. But this does not allow the text to flow around to the right of the artwork, the text starts on the line of the bottom of the artwork (manual page 100, top of r/h column). Is there anyway round this, to get the text to flow to the right and below the embedded artwork? I'm on 2.60. -- Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org For a patchwork of bygones: http://powys.org -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Oct 14 17:40:09 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA135750 for opro ; Sat, 14 Oct 100 17:40:08 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 971539596:20:23171:966; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 16:06:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2117798; 14 Oct 2000 12:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA12784 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 12:14:06 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA12780 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 12:14:03 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13kQB2-0003LV-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 12:12:36 +0000 Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 01:59:05 GMT Message-Id: <135710@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: An Illuminated Manuscript X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Is there anyway round this, to get the text to flow to the right and >below the embedded artwork? Hmm Techwriter springs to mind... The way embedded graphics work could be enhanced, but unless there's a clever trick I can't see how you'd do it at the moment. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Oct 16 21:16:10 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA135752 for opro ; Mon, 16 Oct 100 21:16:08 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 971543976:20:19390:675; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 17:19:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2028053; 14 Oct 2000 15:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA13470 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 15:03:07 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA13467 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 15:03:05 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13kSog-000A1g-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 15:01:42 +0000 Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 15:25:25 GMT Message-Id: <135736@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Strange error- please help X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro If nothing else you do the 'binary chop' put in half the applets, try it, then a half of the half which causes the problem. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Oct 16 21:16:15 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA135754 for opro ; Mon, 16 Oct 100 21:16:12 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 971551966:11:14990:16; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 19:32:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1025481; 14 Oct 2000 19:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA14384 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 19:24:42 +0100 Received: from sand.global.net.uk (sand.global.net.uk [195.147.248.109]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA14381 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 19:24:40 +0100 Received: from p6cs11a03.client.global.net.uk ([195.147.171.109] helo=loopback) by sand.global.net.uk with smtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 13kWtp-0003dE-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 20:23:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: OVATIONP-L Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 19:47:58 +0100 Subject: Re: Strange error- please help Message-ID: <4a0d7bf6d8dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4a0d74ae74marteng@intonet.co.uk> References: <4a0d469214bob.ansell@argonet.co.uk> <4a0d74ae74marteng@inton User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Marten Gallagher wrote: > In article , Jhr > JMAH van Vredenburch wrote: > > On Sat 14 Oct, Bob Ansell wrote: > > > > > I then removed all applets and problem solved. I do not have the > > > other one mentioned - ie !!!!!!!!bm > > I believe !!!!!!!!bm is installed bu !EndNotes, at the same time > > removing !Bookmark. See the !EndNotes.!Help file. > I'll say it again - I have WordWorks installed as an Applet. With it ON > the uniinitiated bookmark error occurs, with it OFF it doesn't. > I don't have Endnotes installed. > Slainte I have the Wordworks applet installed and active with a button on the tool bar, I don't have any problems with it... I do however have version 1.02 which did fix a couple of niggles with the earlier version. Cheers Dave S -- _______________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... dfs@ukgateway.net Also... df@dafs.freeserve.co.uk .. or... dave@triffid.co.uk http://www.dfs.ukgateway.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Oct 16 21:16:21 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA135756 for opro ; Mon, 16 Oct 100 21:16:17 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 971566772:10:25751:98; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 23:39:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1115466; 14 Oct 2000 23:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA15001 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 22:36:10 +0100 Received: from mail2.svr.pol.co.uk (mail2.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.210]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA14998 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 22:36:08 +0100 Received: from modem-12.monkeyface-eel.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.40.140] helo=modem-12) by mail2.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 13kZt8-0007V2-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 23:34:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: OVATIONP-L Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 23:34:33 +0100 Subject: Re: Strange error- please help Message-ID: <4a0d90b547rayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4a0d74ae74marteng@intonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id WAA14999 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id WAB15001 Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch wrote: > On Sat 14 Oct, Marten Gallagher wrote: > > I'll say it again - I have WordWorks installed as an Applet. With it > > ON the uniinitiated bookmark error occurs, with it OFF it doesn't. > >=20 > > I don't have Endnotes installed. I don't either. > Interesting! Because I don't have the !WordWrks applet installed in any > way with OvPro 2.59+ (=3Dbeta version of 2.60?). > By the way, the same error message also appears when you hit Ctrl- > cursor down or Ctrl-cursor up when editing an OvPro document. I used to get the 'uninitiated bookmark' error with 2.58 when I did Ctrl-cursor down, but 2.60 fives an error 'EREP' followed by a throwback window with Errors in file: macro =A0 Line Type Description 1 Serious error Unknown identifier EndNote_C_CDown I'm not sure why I get the error, or why it's changed with the OP version - but I don't actually have EndNotes installed. Cheers, Ray D --=20 ..=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 020 8864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Oct 16 21:16:33 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA135761 for opro ; Mon, 16 Oct 100 21:16:31 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 971549739:20:03451:219; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 18:55:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2015173; 14 Oct 2000 18:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA14089 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 18:06:49 +0100 Received: from grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net (grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net [193.67.237.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA14085 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 18:06:45 +0100 Received: from padua by grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net via 1Cust233.tnt21.rtm1.nl.uu.net [213.116.136.233] with SMTP for id UAA06395 (8.8.8/1.19); Sat, 14 Oct 2000 20:05:22 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <000701c03608$eecd8ae0$4d01a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: References: <56d0800c4a.tim@southfrm.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: An Illuminated Manuscript Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 20:01:54 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 12 Oct 2000, Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: > I am trying to produce something that is similar to illuminated > manuscripts. That is each section starts with a little artwork in the > first paragraph. The sections are not chapters and can start anywhere > on the page. > > Now I am continually editing the manuscript so the artworks have to be > embedded to move up and down with the flow. But this does not allow the > text to flow around to the right of the artwork, the text starts on the > line of the bottom of the artwork (manual page 100, top of r/h column). > > Is there anyway round this, to get the text to flow to the right and > below the embedded artwork? > > I'm on 2.60. > I am still on 2.58, however I don't think that is relevant. What you are doing, I have tried in the past. The little pictures I used were all about the same size. I used the 'drop cap' feature (see edit style >> format) as an in between. After some experimenting, I found the size of the 'drop capital' I needed. First I created local frames to be able to order the used frames to back and front. As I recall, I used a new style for a 'selection' with the height of 3 lines and the capital M (maybe with some tracking). Everywhere where I wanted to have a graphic (of course only at the beginning of paragraphs) I applied that 'drop cap' style. I created a new style, because I wanted flexibility (other character and change of colour at the end. The editing of the text was very easy this way. No moving of embedded frames. Text nicely to the right and below. I had lock to grid on. When I was satified with the draft version, I have imported the little graphics (flow order 'none') on top of the drop caps. The last stage was editing the 'drop cap' style to the colours white or transparant. Regards, mrs. Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Oct 16 21:16:38 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA135763 for opro ; Mon, 16 Oct 100 21:16:35 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 971550127:20:17957:2239; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 19:02:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2109794; 14 Oct 2000 18:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA13972 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 17:32:24 +0100 Received: from dino.intonet.co.uk (root@dino.intonet.co.uk [194.73.231.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA13969 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 17:32:22 +0100 Received: from marteng.intonet.co.uk (user150.intonet.co.uk [194.73.231.82]) by dino.intonet.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA17078 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 18:30:58 +0100 (BST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Marten Gallagher To: OVATIONP-L Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 18:28:25 +0100 Subject: Re: Strange error- please help Message-ID: <4a0d74ae74marteng@intonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4a0d469214bob.ansell@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch wrote: > On Sat 14 Oct, Bob Ansell wrote: > > > I then removed all applets and problem solved. I do not have the other > > one mentioned - ie !!!!!!!!bm > I believe !!!!!!!!bm is installed bu !EndNotes, at the same time > removing !Bookmark. See the !EndNotes.!Help file. I'll say it again - I have WordWorks installed as an Applet. With it ON the uniinitiated bookmark error occurs, with it OFF it doesn't. I don't have Endnotes installed. Slainte -- Marten Gallagher - marten@annerykiln.co.uk http://www.annerykiln.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Oct 16 21:16:40 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA135765 for opro ; Mon, 16 Oct 100 21:16:39 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 971550290:20:05130:1189; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 19:04:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2114715; 14 Oct 2000 16:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA13776 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 16:40:32 +0100 Received: from norwegia.access.ch (mail.access.ch [195.112.71.134]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA13773 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 16:40:29 +0100 Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (megapop1-52.access.ch [212.161.128.52]) by norwegia.access.ch (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA07050 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 18:39:02 +0200 Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 18:36:27 +0200 (BST) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: Strange error- please help To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <4a0d469214bob.ansell@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: tevens Secretariaat Stichting Van Vredenburch X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sat 14 Oct, Bob Ansell wrote: > I then removed all applets and problem solved. I do not have the other one > mentioned - ie !!!!!!!!bm I believe !!!!!!!!bm is installed bu !EndNotes, at the same time removing !Bookmark. See the !EndNotes.!Help file. > Trouble is, which one was it causing the problem? I can put each one back one > at a time and do an exhaustive test but I'm hoping someone has a few > pointers. ......... A 50% speed-up? Put two (2) applets back at the same time. If no problems, continue. Else you know one of the last 2 gave you a problem ;-) > ...... I have installed most of those on the web site. David Pillling having mentioned some problem with applets a few days ago, I did the same as you did. My reasoning: to see if there were other problems with other applets. It definitely proved to be so. I had several clashes, key short-cuts not doing what was expected, etc. It is a bit like having a Mini-Morris, a Jaguar, a Bentley, a Honda, a Beetle (from VW), a T-Ford, a Lasalle (wonder who knows this one?) and a Cadillac (just to name a few) to run in harmony next to each other. My conclusions are: 1. wonderful that one can install/uninstall an applet (brilliant forward thinking, David!) 2. use the !Applets applet to easily move applets from active to the non active "backyard" 3. only use/install those applets you need on an every day basis pemanently. The rest: store them in !Applets and load when needed. JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch tel +41 41 3706125 | RiscPC (ex-Acorn) Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) .. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Oct 16 21:16:46 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA135767 for opro ; Mon, 16 Oct 100 21:16:44 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 971617437:10:03877:45; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 13:43:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1100521; 15 Oct 2000 13:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA16637 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 13:14:53 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA16634 for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 13:14:50 +0100 Received: from ypical.demon.co.uk ([158.152.78.65]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13knbT-000OlJ-0V for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 14:13:27 +0100 Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 14:12:41 +0100 From: Fred Bambrough Message-ID: <9c1ae10d4a.fred@ypical.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: @ypical User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: snapstate macro MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I have had a macro and button to toggle the 'Snap to object' option. I don't recall where I got it from but I note that it doesn't seem to appear on the 2.60 CD. The macro reads; defmacro2(12,"snapstate","{if(getsnapstate()==0) setsnapstate(3);else setsnapstate(0)}","snapstate",""); and has an icon to go into !OvnPro.!OvnResDir.UK.Buttons22. Before I go ahead I just thought I'd check that there won't be a problem in ripping it from my 2.58 to 2.60. -- Fred PGP key available -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Oct 16 21:16:50 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA135768 for opro ; Mon, 16 Oct 100 21:16:47 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 971552968:20:17636:41; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 19:49:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2104123; 14 Oct 2000 19:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA14504 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 19:48:49 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA14501 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 19:48:47 +0100 Received: from usercb97.uk.uudial.com (62.188.151.10) [62.188.151.10] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13kXHA-00012s-00; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 20:47:24 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tony Humphreys To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 20:45:39 +0100 Subject: Re: Strange error- please help Message-ID: <4a0d813ed3tony.humphreys@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a0bf6d4f3bob.ansell@argonet.co.uk> References: <4a0bf6d4f3bob.ansell@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4a0bf6d4f3bob.ansell@argonet.co.uk>, Bob Ansell wrote: > I have been experiencing an odd error which I cannot elininate and which I do > not understand. > I am using OPro 2.58 (2.6 is on order). If I create a graphic frame, drop in > a graphic (I have been using TableMate) - all seems fine. > If I then click on the graphic or use CTRL click to access OLE I get the > error, 'Attempt to use uninitialised bookmark'. > I have not tried to set up a book mark (I do not know how to yet). Any idea > where the error is coming from? Is it a bug in TableMate - I have had a > number of problems with it. I do get the problem with other graphics but not > all the time. > Bob I had this problem a few weeks ago - it is caused by the !Wordworks and can be overcome by upgrading to version 1.02 or follow David Breakwell's advice in his post dated 20 June: or change routine dclick to read: int dclick(int user, int view, int mx, int my, int mb) { if((mb==rct_clk)&&(caretchar()!=-1)) { call_wworks(1); return(0); } else{ return(mb); } } (its the if line that is changing - the caretchar()!=-1 has been added) David Hope this helps. Tony -- TONY HUMPHREYS MILTON KEYNES BUCKS tony.humphreys@argonet.co.uk ================================================================= Use RISC OS - You know it makes sense -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Oct 16 21:16:54 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA135770 for opro ; Mon, 16 Oct 100 21:16:51 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 971621052:10:10421:14; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 14:44:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1010357; 15 Oct 2000 14:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA16986 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 14:43:34 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA16983 for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 14:43:31 +0100 Received: from croftsdt.demon.co.uk ([158.152.77.40]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13kozF-000CTx-0Y for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 15:42:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: David Crofts To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 20:40:08 +0100 Subject: Re: THE CD Message-ID: <4a0d80bdbadavid@croftsdt.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Dr Ian Dunn wrote: > The special offer on HTML Pro is very timely , I was just about to buy it > anyway . What offer? I missed that? Thabks David Crofts -- <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< < / _\ Rev David T Crofts | | \ _____ | |_/avid / \/ \__/rofts \_____/\ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Oct 16 21:17:21 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA135780 for opro ; Mon, 16 Oct 100 21:17:20 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 971606393:20:02641:177; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 10:39:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2101616; 14 Oct 2000 19:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA14450 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 19:41:55 +0100 Received: from norwegia.access.ch (mail.access.ch [195.112.71.134]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA14447 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 19:41:53 +0100 Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (megapop5-81.access.ch [212.161.129.81]) by norwegia.access.ch (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA09614 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 21:40:30 +0200 Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 21:31:53 +0200 (BST) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: Strange error- please help To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <4a0d74ae74marteng@intonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: tevens Secretariaat Stichting Van Vredenburch X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sat 14 Oct, Marten Gallagher wrote: > I'll say it again - I have WordWorks installed as an Applet. With it ON the > uniinitiated bookmark error occurs, with it OFF it doesn't. > > I don't have Endnotes installed. Interesting! Because I don't have the !WordWrks applet installed in any way with OvPro 2.59+ (=beta version of 2.60?). By the way, the same error message also appears when you hit Ctrl- cursor down or Ctrl-cursor up when editing an OvPro document. Which shows that different applets do not always like each other. JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch tel +41 41 3706125 | RiscPC (ex-Acorn) Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) .. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Oct 16 21:17:34 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA135784 for opro ; Mon, 16 Oct 100 21:17:33 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 971639817:11:06987:14; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 19:56:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1005801; 15 Oct 2000 19:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA17761 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 19:53:27 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA17758 for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 19:53:25 +0100 Received: from useray15.uk.uudial.com (argonet.co.uk) [62.188.139.105] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13ktpC-0005Aa-00; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 20:52:03 +0100 Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 20:43:35 +0100 From: Bernard Veasey To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: snapstate macro Message-ID: <5fe4040e4a.Bernard@bernard.veasey.argonet.co.uk> References: <9c1ae10d4a.fred@ypical.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <9c1ae10d4a.fred@ypical.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 X-Editor: Zap 1.44 (19 May 2000) [TEST 3], ZapEmail 0.25 (18 Mar 2000) test-2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <9c1ae10d4a.fred@ypical.demon.co.uk> Fred Bambrough wrote: > I have had a macro and button to toggle the 'Snap to object' option. I > don't recall where I got it from but I note that it doesn't seem to appear > on the 2.60 CD. > > The macro reads; > > defmacro2(12,"snapstate","{if(getsnapstate()==0) setsnapstate(3);else > setsnapstate(0)}","snapstate",""); > > and has an icon to go into !OvnPro.!OvnResDir.UK.Buttons22. > > Before I go ahead I just thought I'd check that there won't be a problem > in ripping it from my 2.58 to 2.60. Details and Sprites are on my Ovation Pro Goodies page: http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/bernard.veasey/soft.html It's best to store the extra Buttons and Buttons22 sprite files etc in the !Custom applet in its AResources directory which is to be found in the 'OvationPro/zip.DavidPilling.Applets' directory on the new Ovation Pro 2.60 CD. -- Email - bernard.veasey@argonet.co.uk Web - http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/bernard.veasey -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Oct 16 21:17:49 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA135790 for opro ; Mon, 16 Oct 100 21:17:48 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 971628553:20:27761:16; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 16:49:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2114567; 15 Oct 2000 16:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA17314 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 16:48:29 +0100 Received: from sand4.global.net.uk (sand4.global.net.uk [195.147.246.106]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA17311 for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 16:48:27 +0100 Received: from p3es06a06.client.global.net.uk ([195.147.214.63] helo=ianadunn.global.co.uk) by sand4.global.net.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13kqwD-0008K8-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 17:47:05 +0100 Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 17:32:52 +0100 (BST) From: Dr Ian Dunn Subject: Re: THE CD To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <4a0d80bdbadavid@croftsdt.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Dr Ian Dunn X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sat 14 Oct, David Crofts wrote: > In article , > Dr Ian Dunn wrote: > > > The special offer on HTML Pro is very timely , I was just about to buy it > > anyway . > > What offer? > I missed that? > > Thabks > > David Crofts > It's in the Levens bit of the CD ROM . There is a form to print off and fill in . The price there is 20 but David tells us it is 15 pounds . I wonder if we wait long enough whether it will be free ! Ian -- Dr Ian Dunn I am going to enjoy this last year of the 20th Century No year Zero -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Oct 16 21:18:07 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA135801 for opro ; Mon, 16 Oct 100 21:18:06 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 971640844:20:14796:18; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 20:14:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2129969; 15 Oct 2000 20:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA17833 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 20:13:27 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA17830 for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 20:13:25 +0100 Received: from userej45.uk.uudial.com (62.188.13.56) [62.188.13.56] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13ku8Y-0005hZ-00; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 21:12:02 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: David Breakwell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 20:06:15 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Strange error- please help Message-ID: <4a0e06f7c1davidb@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a0d813ed3tony.humphreys@argonet.co.uk> References: <4a0bf6d4f3bob.ansell@argonet.co.uk> <4a0d813ed3tony.humphreys@argonet.co. User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4a0d813ed3tony.humphreys@argonet.co.uk>, Tony Humphreys wrote: > I had this problem a few weeks ago - it is caused by the !Wordworks and > can be overcome by upgrading to version 1.02 or follow David Breakwell's > advice in his post dated 20 June: > or change routine dclick to read: > int dclick(int user, int view, int mx, int my, int mb) > { > if((mb==rct_clk)&&(caretchar()!=-1)) > { > call_wworks(1); > return(0); > } > else{ > return(mb); > } > } That's correct the problem was due to WordWrks trying to pass graphics frames to Wordworks - the correction above resolves this. I would have replyed myself but work and Scouts have both been taking a fair amount of time over the last few weeks. Just to let people know I am currently working on a new release of !IdxPro which correct a few niggles and bugs and will also be significantly faster when generating the index. If you have any issues with !IdxPro at the moment then please mail me so these can be reviewed for this release. Regards David -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | davidb@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Oct 16 21:18:09 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA135802 for opro ; Mon, 16 Oct 100 21:18:07 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 971703883:11:06185:31; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 13:44:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1107390; 16 Oct 2000 13:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA20130 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 13:29:26 +0100 Received: from leer2.shuttle.de (leer2.shuttle.de [194.95.224.17]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA20127 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 13:29:11 +0100 Received: by leer2.shuttle.de (Postfix, from userid 5) id 9A2688C2D; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 15:27:30 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de by Arktur.hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m13l8l9-000fCOC; Mon, 16 Oct 100 12:48 MET Message-ID: <39EAD039.FE7013FD@hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de> Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 11:54:02 +0200 From: Jochen Konietzko Organization: Heinrich-Mann-Gymnasium X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW03200 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: de,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: THE CD - is it here? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hello, I am currently drowning in email-messages (my school's network was down for nearly three weeks, and now there are more than 1200 messages in my in-tray); so, first things first: This newest message seems to indicate that the CD is actually here! Is it? Can we pay with (VISA) credit card? Cheers, Jochen Konietzko Dr Ian Dunn schrieb: > On Sat 14 Oct, David Crofts wrote: > > In article , > > Dr Ian Dunn wrote: > > > > > The special offer on HTML Pro is very timely , I was just about to buy it > > > anyway . > > > > What offer? > > I missed that? > > > > Thabks > > > > David Crofts > > > > It's in the Levens bit of the CD ROM . There is a form to print off and fill > in . The price there is 20 but David tells us it is 15 pounds . I wonder if > we wait long enough whether it will be free ! > > Ian > > -- > Dr Ian Dunn > I am going to enjoy this last year of the 20th Century > No year Zero Hooray! At last someone who like me is also still in the 20th century! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Oct 16 21:18:11 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA135804 for opro ; Mon, 16 Oct 100 21:18:10 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 971706039:10:01693:15; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 14:20:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1001539; 16 Oct 2000 14:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA20283 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 14:13:27 +0100 Received: from saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk (saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk [147.143.102.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA20280 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 14:13:23 +0100 Received: from sees.bangor.ac.uk (nfcrpc7.sees.bangor.ac.uk [147.143.6.182]) by saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA25420 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 15:11:55 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from kerslake@sees.bangor.ac.uk) Message-ID: <39EB0CAB.40A2AC5@sees.bangor.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 15:11:55 +0100 From: "John P. Kerslake" Organization: SOI, University of Bangor X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Thanks for the CD - References: <39EAD039.FE7013FD@hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro The CD & other discs arrived today. They were 800K (D). My riscstation will not read them. But my A3010 will & I used serial net to transfer the files. Has any one else had problems with a riscstation reading David's Discs -- John Percy Kerslake B.Sc., F.B.I.S., kerslake@sees.bangor.ac.uk Web Page = http://www.sees.bangor.ac.uk/~kerslake/welcome.htm Pager =07626-235878, Work =01248-351151 ext. 2730/3850, Fax 01248-361429 Dyslexia rules K. O. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Oct 16 21:18:16 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA135807 for opro ; Mon, 16 Oct 100 21:18:15 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 971651351:20:03177:14; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 23:09:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2003125; 15 Oct 2000 23:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA18278 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 23:08:35 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA18275 for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 23:08:32 +0100 Received: from ypical.demon.co.uk ([158.152.78.65]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13kwru-000NPv-0W for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 00:07:04 +0100 Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 23:47:42 +0100 From: Fred Bambrough To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: snapstate macro Message-ID: <7fbf150e4a.fred@ypical.demon.co.uk> References: <9c1ae10d4a.fred@ypical.demon.co.uk> <5fe4040e4a.Bernard@bernard.veasey.argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <5fe4040e4a.Bernard@bernard.veasey.argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: @ypical User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <5fe4040e4a.Bernard@bernard.veasey.argonet.co.uk> Bernard Veasey wrote: > In message <9c1ae10d4a.fred@ypical.demon.co.uk> > Fred Bambrough wrote: > > > I have had a macro and button to toggle the 'Snap to object' option. I > > don't recall where I got it from but I note that it doesn't seem to appear > > on the 2.60 CD. > > > > The macro reads; > > > > defmacro2(12,"snapstate","{if(getsnapstate()==0) setsnapstate(3);else > > setsnapstate(0)}","snapstate",""); > > > > and has an icon to go into !OvnPro.!OvnResDir.UK.Buttons22. > > > > Before I go ahead I just thought I'd check that there won't be a problem > > in ripping it from my 2.58 to 2.60. > > Details and Sprites are on my Ovation Pro Goodies page: > > http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/bernard.veasey/soft.html > > It's best to store the extra Buttons and Buttons22 sprite files etc in the > !Custom applet in its AResources directory which is to be found in the > 'OvationPro/zip.DavidPilling.Applets' directory on the new Ovation Pro > 2.60 CD. Thank you kindly. That's incidentally solved another puzzle for me - where the background sprite was coming from on a clean install. Trouble is, as I've upgraded through various versions, I've just copied across old configurations to retain my favoured set up. With 2.60 I decided to start clean - only I'd forgotten much. Still, back to normal now... I think. -- Fred PGP key available -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Oct 16 21:18:23 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA135811 for opro ; Mon, 16 Oct 100 21:18:22 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 971707720:10:12912:60; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 14:48:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1101331; 16 Oct 2000 14:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA20385 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 14:35:23 +0100 Received: from mail2.svr.pol.co.uk (mail2.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.210]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA20382 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 14:35:21 +0100 Received: from modem-120.monkeyface-eel.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.40.248] helo=modem-120) by mail2.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 13lBKt-0005Pg-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 15:33:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 15:32:55 +0100 Subject: Re: Thanks for the CD - Message-ID: <4a0e6c493frayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <39EB0CAB.40A2AC5@sees.bangor.ac.uk> References: <39EAD039.FE7013FD@hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de> <39EB0CAB.40A2AC User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro John P. Kerslake wrote: > The CD & other discs arrived today. They were 800K (D). My riscstation > will not read them. But my A3010 will & I used serial net to transfer > the files. Has any one else had problems with a riscstation reading > David's Discs Presumably the RiscStation has a normal PC floppy drive and won't read HD discs that are formatted to DD. I believe David formats discs to 800K so that they can be read on older machines. Unfortunately, as you can't get DD discs anymore he has to use HD. Acorn drives can recognise the disc size from the format. PC type drives can't and presume their size from the size sense hole. Put a bit of tape over the disc size hole - the one without a shutter - and try again. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 020 8864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Oct 16 21:18:28 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA135813 for opro ; Mon, 16 Oct 100 21:18:25 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 971684626:20:27700:14; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 08:23:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2128500; 16 Oct 2000 8:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA19425 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 08:20:01 +0100 Received: from mta8-svc.virgin.net (mta8-win.server.ntli.net [62.253.164.48]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA19419 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 08:19:59 +0100 Received: from bernard.hill.virgin.net ([194.168.68.18]) by mta8-svc.virgin.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with SMTP id <20001016081832.BCOI289.mta8-svc.virgin.net@bernard.hill.virgin.net> for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 09:18:32 +0100 Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 17:47:48 +0100 (BST) From: "Bernard G. Hill" Subject: Re: Another entirely OTT To: Ovation Mail In-Reply-To: <4a0b3a3caarichard@4qd.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 10 Oct, Richard Torrens wrote: > Since this list is now off-topic and telling Dave how to run his business, > here goes: > > Having just bought a digital camera, I'm naturally starting to look at > image manipulation packages. > > > BTW: does anyone have anything to say about David Pilling's scanning software as it might apply > to digital photography? > Not specifically about digital photography, but I find David Pilling's scanning software extremely useful support for image manipulation generally. It is the preferred way of scanning photographs, cranking up Photodesk just to scan an image is not worthwhile. David Pilling's scanning software also does the slight sharpening and tonal grading, conversion to greyscale and image rotation, among other things without any fuss. With the rapidly expanding use of digital photography, this is a area where David Pilling's scanning software could develop. I would like to be able to download images from the camera straight into IM. This would probably mean several different import filters because of the requirements of the different cameras, but concetrating on the Olympus for a start would be a good idea. No doubt others will shout for there own system and Ex-Spacetech already have software for some cameras. Can RiscOS stand two rivals for such a small market? Just an idea to start the fun!! Best wishes Bernard -- Bernard G. Hill Tel/Fax: 01633 880197 Zion, Church Road Undy, Caldicot e-mail bernard.hill@virgin.net NP26 3EN -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Oct 16 21:18:36 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA135818 for opro ; Mon, 16 Oct 100 21:18:34 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 971725103:10:13447:16; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 19:38:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1102886; 16 Oct 2000 19:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA21127 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 19:34:59 +0100 Received: from cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.171]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA21124 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 19:34:54 +0100 Received: from modem-182.erchamion.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.195.182] helo=goatly) by cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 13lG0q-0002rF-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 20:33:32 +0100 Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 18:04:05 +0100 From: Bruce Goatly To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Thanks for the CD - Message-ID: <21207ae4a%ovation@cableinet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a0e6c493frayd@argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: Perfect Page X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b User-Agent: POPstar/2.01b12 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <4a0e6c493frayd@argonet.co.uk> you wrote: > John P. Kerslake wrote: > > The CD & other discs arrived today. They were 800K (D). My riscstation > > will not read them. But my A3010 will & I used serial net to transfer > > the files. Has any one else had problems with a riscstation reading > > David's Discs > > Presumably the RiscStation has a normal PC floppy drive and won't read HD > discs that are formatted to DD. I believe David formats discs to 800K so > that they can be read on older machines. Unfortunately, as you can't get > DD discs anymore he has to use HD. Acorn drives can recognise the disc > size from the format. PC type drives can't and presume their size from > the size sense hole. Well, if David needs a few (I think about 100) unused DD disks I'll be happy to pass them on for the postage... Bruce -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Oct 16 23:19:06 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA135849 for opro ; Mon, 16 Oct 100 23:19:04 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 971729781:20:08192:16; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 20:56:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2007819; 16 Oct 2000 20:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA21416 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 20:52:09 +0100 Received: from mail12.svr.pol.co.uk (mail12.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.215]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA21413 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 20:52:07 +0100 Received: from modem-63.pearly-jawfish.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.48.191] helo=localhost) by mail12.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 13lHDY-0007Cq-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 21:50:44 +0100 Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 21:40:41 +0100 From: Robin Cullingford To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: OvPro 2.60 will not run on my A420/1 Message-ID: X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b User-Agent: POPstar/2.02 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R OvPro 2.60 refuses to run on my machine (A420/1 with 8Mb RAM, SCSI HD & RO3.10), giving the following error message: Internal error: branch through zero at &03812CA4 It does run from the archive on the CD. Please can someone suggest a solution to the problem? -- Robin Cullingford -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Oct 16 23:19:15 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA135852 for opro ; Mon, 16 Oct 100 23:19:14 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 971734089:20:26446:14; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 22:08:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2122852; 16 Oct 2000 22:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA21652 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 22:07:04 +0100 Received: from snowstorm.mail.pipex.net (snowstorm.mail.pipex.net [158.43.192.97]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA21649 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 22:07:01 +0100 Received: (qmail 10023 invoked from network); 16 Oct 2000 22:05:39 -0000 Received: from userbp69.uk.uudial.com (HELO RPC) (62.188.146.64) by smtp-5.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 16 Oct 2000 22:05:39 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 19:23:38 +0100 From: Mik Towse To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Strange error- please help Message-ID: <4A0E8168B2%mik.towse@xemik.com> X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.10d POPstar/2.02 X-Editor: Zap 1.42, using ZapEmail 0.24 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Since the subject is appropriate... Having installed the new OPro, I have been trying out more applets. But when I install !Expand I get the error msg from OPro: Error:Unknown identifier FontLib_Type at line 48 in ....Applets.!Expand.Library.Expand Can I do anything to get this applet working? TIA -- Mik Towse * mik.towse@xemik.com * http://www.xemik.com/ My writers' site can be found at: http://www.lexis.org.uk Everyone talks about apathy, but no one does anything about it. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Oct 16 23:19:21 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA135854 for opro ; Mon, 16 Oct 100 23:19:19 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 971734402:20:02250:39; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 22:13:22 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2001861; 16 Oct 2000 22:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA21695 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 22:12:08 +0100 Received: from snowstorm.mail.pipex.net (snowstorm.mail.pipex.net [158.43.192.97]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA21692 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 22:12:05 +0100 Received: (qmail 10316 invoked from network); 16 Oct 2000 22:10:43 -0000 Received: from userbp69.uk.uudial.com (HELO RPC) (62.188.146.64) by smtp-5.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 16 Oct 2000 22:10:43 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 23:10:28 +0100 From: Mik Towse To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvPro 2.60 will not run on my A420/1 Message-ID: <4A0E962D2E%mik.towse@xemik.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.10d POPstar/2.02 X-Editor: Zap 1.42, using ZapEmail 0.24 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article Robin Cullingford wrote: > OvPro 2.60 refuses to run on my machine (A420/1 with 8Mb RAM, SCSI HD & > RO3.10), giving the following error message: > > Internal error: branch through zero at &03812CA4 > > It does run from the archive on the CD. > > Please can someone suggest a solution to the problem? Did you install it over the top of your existing OPro? If so, might be something conflicting somewhere. I'd suggest a reboot of your m/c & installing the new OPro in a new directory. -- Mik Towse * mik.towse@xemik.com * http://www.xemik.com/ My writers' site can be found at: http://www.lexis.org.uk All men are born equal, but quite a few eventually get over it. Lord Mancroft -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 17 01:55:23 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA135873 for opro ; Tue, 17 Oct 100 01:55:20 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 971738495:10:18188:17; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 23:21:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1017744; 16 Oct 2000 23:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA21983 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 23:19:46 +0100 Received: from cmailg7.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg7.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.177]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA21980 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 23:19:44 +0100 Received: from modem-63.rhode-island.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.90.63] helo=localhost) by cmailg7.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 13lJWL-0001uU-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 00:18:18 +0100 Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 00:10:46 +0100 From: Robin Cullingford To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvPro 2.60 will not run on my A420/1 Message-ID: <1eb29be4a%robin@cullingford.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4A0E962D2E%mik.towse@xemik.com> X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b User-Agent: POPstar/2.02 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <4A0E962D2E%mik.towse@xemik.com> Mik Towse wrote: > In article > Robin Cullingford wrote: > > OvPro 2.60 refuses to run on my machine (A420/1 with 8Mb RAM, SCSI HD & > > RO3.10), giving the following error message: > > > > Internal error: branch through zero at &03812CA4 > > > > It does run from the archive on the CD. > > > > Please can someone suggest a solution to the problem? > Did you install it over the top of your existing OPro? If so, might be > something conflicting somewhere. I'd suggest a reboot of your m/c & > installing the new OPro in a new directory. > No - I installed in a new directory and rebooted. I have now found that it runs in an !raFS directory, and also in a zip archive on my hard disc. Perhaps the problem lies with long filenames somewhere, and is therefore overcome by using !raFS or !SparkFS. -- Robin Cullingford -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 17 02:14:53 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA135888 for opro ; Tue, 17 Oct 100 02:14:50 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 971744689:10:05873:14; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 01:04:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1005784; 17 Oct 2000 1:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA22423 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 00:57:05 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA20567 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 15:14:44 +0100 Received: from wealdcom.demon.co.uk ([212.229.199.148]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13lBx3-000N8V-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 15:13:21 +0000 Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 16:12:15 +0100 From: Stuart Murden To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Thanks for the CD - Message-ID: <07e36f0e4a.Stuart@wealdcom.demon.co.uk> References: <39EAD039.FE7013FD@hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de> <39EB0CAB.40A2AC In-Reply-To: <39EB0CAB.40A2AC5@sees.bangor.ac.uk> X-Organization: Wealdcom User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.03) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <39EB0CAB.40A2AC5@sees.bangor.ac.uk> you wrote: > The CD & other discs arrived today. They were 800K (D). My riscstation > will not read them. But my A3010 will & I used serial net to transfer > the files. Has any one else had problems with a riscstation reading > David's Discs Maybe the 'blank hole' needs taping over ..... it did on my original OP discs Regards, Stuart -- Using Acorn and Riscstation machines -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 17 02:14:53 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA135889 for opro ; Tue, 17 Oct 100 02:14:50 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 971744710:20:11655:14; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 01:05:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2011514; 17 Oct 2000 1:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA22431 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 00:57:08 +0100 Received: from dervish.mail.pipex.net (dervish.mail.pipex.net [158.43.192.70]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA12235 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 08:51:57 +0100 Received: (qmail 14274 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2000 08:50:29 -0000 Received: from userbj92.uk.uudial.com (HELO abhx43.dial.pipex.com) (62.188.144.1) by smtp-4.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 14 Oct 2000 08:50:30 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Keith J Baxendale To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 09:49:23 +0100 Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Upgrade CD Message-ID: <4a0d45299fmcip53@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.01g (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I just got my upgrade CD this morning :-) But when I put it into my CD drive:-( a) The drive light stays on for much longer than normal. b) When I subsequently click on the CD drive icon the drive light stays on for longer than normal and I eventually get a message telling me CD drive is empty. Other CD's eg DrawWorks Millenium and Oregano work OK and give me a filer display window. Is this a CD Filer funny or do I have a defective CD? TIA Keith (RO 4.02, StrongARM202) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 17 02:45:16 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA135894 for opro ; Tue, 17 Oct 100 02:45:15 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 971745510:20:21893:18; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 01:18:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2021726; 17 Oct 2000 1:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA22463 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 00:57:36 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA22452 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 00:57:25 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13lL2v-0009m5-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 00:56:02 +0000 Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 23:38:46 GMT Message-Id: <135867@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Strange error- please help X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Error:Unknown identifier FontLib_Type at line 48 in >....Applets.!Expand.Library.Expand Sounds like it needs its library installing which the accompanying install program will do. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 17 02:45:18 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA135895 for opro ; Tue, 17 Oct 100 02:45:17 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 971745514:20:22045:14; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 01:18:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2021996; 17 Oct 2000 1:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA22571 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 01:17:42 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA22566 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 01:17:39 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13lLMW-000An3-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 01:16:16 +0000 Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 02:10:22 GMT Message-Id: <135886@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvPro 2.60 will not run on my A420/1 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >No - I installed in a new directory and rebooted. I have now found that it >runs in an !raFS directory, and also in a zip archive on my hard disc. >Perhaps the problem lies with long filenames somewhere That would be quite a blunder. I kind of doubt it because things have not changed much since 2.58 and that is widely used. You may be right, but I'd be inclined to try unpacking to disc using Spark or Sparkplug - just in case there is corruption is this step. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 17 02:45:20 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA135896 for opro ; Tue, 17 Oct 100 02:45:19 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 971746390:20:02660:23; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 01:33:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2002606; 17 Oct 2000 1:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA22462 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 00:57:32 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA22444 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 00:57:20 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13lL2r-0009m5-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 00:55:57 +0000 Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 23:33:02 GMT Message-Id: <135865@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvPro 2.60 will not run on my A420/1 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >RO3.10), giving the following error message: >Internal error: branch through zero at &03812CA4 >It does run from the archive on the CD. I've heard of an example of this where apparently the CD filing system was corrupting data, swopping to CDFS allowed them to get things working. There should be no difference in running from the CD to running from hard disc. If there is, then data is getting corrupted either when extracting from the archive or reading from CD. There is always the option of copying the entire ovationpro/zip file from CD to hard disc and playing with it there. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 17 14:54:40 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA135898 for opro ; Tue, 17 Oct 100 14:54:38 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 971748220:20:26621:15; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 02:03:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2104023; 17 Oct 2000 2:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA22442 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 00:57:16 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA22434 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 00:57:09 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13lL2h-0009m5-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 00:55:47 +0000 Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 23:26:45 GMT Message-Id: <135861@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Upgrade CD X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R >But when I put it into my CD drive:-( >a) The drive light stays on for much longer than normal. >b) When I subsequently click on the CD drive icon the drive light stays on >for longer than normal and I eventually get a message telling me CD drive >is empty. >Other CD's eg DrawWorks Millenium and Oregano work OK and give me a filer >display window. The OPro CD's are actually CDR's. I guess you tell the difference by the slight green tint. CDR's take higher light levels to read and so some old CD drives won't read them. >Is this a CD Filer funny or do I have a defective CD? So you may have an old CD drive but of course there is always room for it being a dud CD. This potential problem has hung over the enterprise. What can be done? Well you could have a full refund. Or you could buy a new CD drive. Or I could supply the software on Zip disc - the problem is just about how to transfer 30Mb of data to you. Or you could accept access to just the main OPro program via the web site. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 17 14:54:48 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA135902 for opro ; Tue, 17 Oct 100 14:54:47 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 971747353:10:08349:16; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 01:49:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1128199; 17 Oct 2000 1:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA22437 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 00:57:12 +0100 Received: from pegasus.mail.eclipse.net.uk (pegasus.mail.eclipse.net.uk [212.104.129.225]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA13262 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 14:00:07 +0100 Received: from unknown (212-104-133-17.access.eclipse.net.uk [212.104.133.17]) by pegasus.mail.eclipse.net.uk (Postfix) with SMTP id 98FDD4FA90 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 14:58:44 +0100 (BST) Received: from 1.0.128.252 by unknown with SMTP (Navaho Server Suite v2.4.5 [Linux/i686]); Sat, 14 Oct 2000 10:15:05 BST X-Sender: Martin.Devon@stonar.wilts.sch.uk Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 10:09:50 +0000 (GMT) From: Martin Devon Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Upgrade CD To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Stonar School, Melksham, UK. +44 (0) 1225 702309 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.42] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 13 Oct, Tomhopley@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 10/1/00 5:23:14 PM GMT Daylight Time, Tomhopley@aol.com > writes: > > If I'm the only one to do this it'll be an insult. May I suggest all > OvPro-Upgraders do the same when they've received their CD? This way we > really could try to help St Pilling - at least with his Christmas expenses. > I paid three times the single user price for my original site licenced version, which was entirely reasonable. I intend to do the same for the site licenced upgrade, which is equally reasonable. -- Martin Devon Stonar. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 17 14:55:14 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA135910 for opro ; Tue, 17 Oct 100 14:55:11 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 971749428:20:13314:29; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 02:23:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2013365; 17 Oct 2000 2:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA22446 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 00:57:22 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA22439 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 00:57:14 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13lL2k-0009m5-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 00:55:51 +0000 Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 23:28:58 GMT Message-Id: <135863@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: THE CD - is it here? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >This newest message seems to indicate that the CD is actually here! >Is it? Yes. (see below) >Can we pay with (VISA) credit card? Yes, but. >If you want to do this you pay the special prices - >Inside the EU 40 ukp >Rest of the world 34 ukp >The order should contain your serial number, original registered address >and current address, and be placed with >Liquid Silicon >Tel: +44 1592 592265 >Fax: +44 1592 596102 >sales@liquid-silicon.com >http://www.liquid-silicon.com Ovation Pro Upgrade CD This is now available, the following attempts to explain the intricacies. What do I get? -------------- Ovation Pro 2.60 featuring; Auto paragraph numbering and bulleting Impression document loader Referenced and Proxy pictures EPS support Graduated, patterned and hatched fills Revised and reformatted Reference and Script Manuals supplied on the CD as Ovation Pro documents 20 iSV font families (Note that Ovation Pro used to be supplied with EFF Fonts, so you are gaining some new fonts from the upgrade.) Comprehensive collection of Ovation Pro material - applets, dictionaries etc. Ovation Pro is not copy protected but is registered (it displays your name and serial number on start up). This makes such things as upgrades a lot easier. How much does it cost? ---------------------- If your copy of Ovation Pro has a serial number between 5000 and 5200 then you get the CD for free, and as long as your copy of the program is registered (i.e. I know your address) you need do no more. Your copy will be registered if either you sent in the registration card or if there was no registration card supplied with it. Otherwise you won't get the CD until the card is returned. A second class who get a free CD are those who have written applets and made other contributions to the program. If you don't qualify for the free CD then the cost is ukp 35. How do I get it? ---------------- If you qualify for a free copy, you need do no more. To buy a copy please supply * ukp 35 * the serial number of your old copy of Ovation Pro * the name and address it was originally registered at * your current address. Only orders with a correct serial number will be fulfilled. The serial number and original address are your proof of purchase. This saves messing about returning floppies, but they have to tally with the Beebug records. How do I find my serial number? ------------------------------- The best way is to look inside the front cover of your Ovation Pro reference manual, or on the registration card supplied with the program. You can also find it from the 'splash' screen displayed when Ovation Pro starts up, however this number is not definitive because it is entered by the user. What about site licences? ------------------------- There is no extra charge for upgrading site licence copies, however when ordering you must state that you have a site licence and provide the relevant details. When will I receive my CD? -------------------------- Initial availability will be poor. I can ship about 10 copies a day, and I have a commitment to about 200 free copies. I will give highest priority to shipping paid for copies. So if you don't get a copy and expect to, start complaining in November. In due course I would appreciate anyone with a missing copy letting me know about it. How can I pay? -------------- Send a cheque for ukp 35 drawn on a UK bank and made payable to; David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 17 14:55:18 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA135911 for opro ; Tue, 17 Oct 100 14:55:13 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 971771294:10:23602:27; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 08:28:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1124454; 17 Oct 2000 8:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA24085 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 08:26:50 +0100 Received: from cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.172]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA24082 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 08:26:49 +0100 Received: from modem-89.leopard-shark.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.37.217] helo=modem-89) by cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 13lS3q-0007l9-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 09:25:27 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 09:24:44 +0100 Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Upgrade CD Message-ID: <4a0ece69d5rayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <135861@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <135861@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro David Pilling wrote: > So you may have an old CD drive but of course there is always room for > it being a dud CD. > This potential problem has hung over the enterprise. What can be done? > Well you could have a full refund. Or you could buy a new CD drive. Or > I could supply the software on Zip disc - the problem is just about how > to transfer 30Mb of data to you. Or you could accept access to just the > main OPro program via the web site. The CDR that mine came on was quite a dark blue, although my drive is quite happy with it. Perhaps you could keep a small stock of Samsung or other lighter coloured discs for those with old drives? Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 020 8864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 17 15:04:57 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA135923 for opro ; Tue, 17 Oct 100 15:04:53 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 971771060:20:01979:16; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 08:24:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2115264; 17 Oct 2000 8:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA24033 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 08:21:34 +0100 Received: from cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.172]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA24030 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 08:21:32 +0100 Received: from modem-89.leopard-shark.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.37.217] helo=modem-89) by cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 13lRyg-0006zR-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 09:20:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 09:19:06 +0100 Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Upgrade CD Message-ID: <4a0ecde5e9rayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a0d45299fmcip53@ukgateway.net> References: <4a0d45299fmcip53@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Keith J Baxendale wrote: > I just got my upgrade CD this morning :-) > But when I put it into my CD drive:-( > a) The drive light stays on for > much longer than normal. > b) When I subsequently click on the CD drive > icon the drive light stays on for longer than normal and I eventually > get a message telling me CD drive is empty. It looks as if your CD drive can't read the blue discs that the upgrade comes on. It's possible that older drives may have a problem reading CDRs What drive do you have? Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 020 8864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 17 15:08:48 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA135930 for opro ; Tue, 17 Oct 100 15:08:42 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 971782088:20:05883:15; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 11:28:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2111670; 17 Oct 2000 11:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA24658 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 11:21:25 +0100 Received: from ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de (ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de [129.69.211.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA24655 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 11:21:22 +0100 Received: from veni (dynip21 [129.69.189.21]) by ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de (8.9.3/2.2) with SMTP id NAA19683 for In-Reply-To: <135863@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <135863@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <135863@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: [snip] > >Can we pay with (VISA) credit card? > Yes, but. > >If you want to do this you pay the special prices - > >Inside the EU 40 ukp > >Rest of the world 34 ukp Why is EU more expensive than rest of the world? Just interested. And why is the "rest of the world" price even cheaper than the one for UK residents paying with "normal" cheques? Greetings, Stefan. -- Stefan Bellon * * Mistakes are often the stepping stones to utter failure -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 17 15:09:11 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA135933 for opro ; Tue, 17 Oct 100 15:09:08 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 971786619:20:09896:28; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 12:43:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2009664; 17 Oct 2000 12:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA25022 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 12:35:55 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA25019 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 12:35:53 +0100 Received: from mk-net.demon.co.uk ([194.222.12.18] helo=Dell_p450.mk-net.demon.co.uk) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13lVwr-0008Am-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 12:34:30 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 12:08:29 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: Tony van der Hoff Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Upgrade CD References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 U Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message , Tomhopley@aol.com writes > [ a load of sentimental crap ] >If I'm the only one to do this it'll be an insult. May I suggest all >OvPro-Upgraders do the same when they've received their CD? This way we >really could try to help St Pilling - at least with his Christmas expenses. > What the hell are you guys playing at? David has not been sanctified, but has been running his business, presumably successfully, for a number of years. Only he knows what is a fair and reasonable price for his products. You *are* insulting him by suggesting that he is unable to price his products at a commercial level, and that you know better. I don't think David needs charity, either. For heavens' sake leave this list as a technical forum for Ovation, and take the claptrap elsewhere. If you feel close enough to David to send him a christmas present, then by all means do so, I'm sure he'd appreciate the gesture, but don't waste your time telling us what a magnanimous fellow you are. It's simply boring for the rest of us. -- Tony van der Hoff | Mailto:tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk | Mailto:avanderhoff@iee.org Buckinghamshire, England | http:www.mk-net.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 17 15:09:15 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA135936 for opro ; Tue, 17 Oct 100 15:09:13 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 971780221:10:26229:14; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 10:57:01 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1026049; 17 Oct 2000 10:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA24512 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 10:48:23 +0100 Received: from mutt.eurobell.net (qmailr@mutt.eurobell.net [212.24.65.70]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA24509 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 10:48:19 +0100 Received: (qmail 29070 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2000 10:46:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kbamford.eurobell.co.uk) (212.24.66.126) by mutt.eurobell.net with SMTP; 17 Oct 2000 10:46:58 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 11:44:44 +0100 (BST) From: Keith Bamford Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Upgrade CD To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <4a0ecde5e9rayd@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Tue 17 Oct, Ray Dawson wrote: > Keith J Baxendale wrote: > > > I just got my upgrade CD this morning :-) > > > But when I put it into my CD drive:-( > > a) The drive light stays on for > > much longer than normal. > > b) When I subsequently click on the CD drive > > icon the drive light stays on for longer than normal and I eventually > > get a message telling me CD drive is empty. I had the same problem initially but then I found that I had clicked on the CD icon too soon. When I reloaded the CD and gave it chance to settle down making the usual whirring noises and then clicked on the icon it behaved as it should. (my drive is only 8x). Keith -- Keith Bamford mail to: kbamford@roada.org.uk Why not visit http://www.wyg-roada.org.uk http://www.roada.org.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 17 15:09:19 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA135937 for opro ; Tue, 17 Oct 100 15:09:16 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 971784361:10:26982:16; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 12:06:01 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1026386; 17 Oct 2000 12:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA24843 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 12:00:41 +0100 Received: from smtp-server.nlr.nl (spider.nlr.nl [137.17.80.200]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA24840 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 12:00:39 +0100 Received: from nararch.nlr.nl (nararch.nlr.nl [137.17.168.66]) by smtp-server.nlr.nl (8.10.1/8.10.1/NLR 29/03/2000) with SMTP id e9HBwkw5073901; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 13:58:46 +0200 (CDT) Disclaimer: "The National Aerospace Laboratory NLR DOES NOT ACCEPT ANY FINANCIAL COMMITMENT derived from this message." Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 13:58:28 +0200 From: "F.R. Polak" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: THE CD - is it here? Message-ID: <21fbe10e4a.polak@nararch.nlr.nl> References: <135863@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4a0ed28f5dsbellon@sbellon.de> In-Reply-To: <4a0ed28f5dsbellon@sbellon.de> X-Organization: NLR User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message 17 Oct Stefan Bellon wrote: > In article <135863@pilling.demon.co.uk>, > David Pilling wrote: > > [snip] > > > >Can we pay with (VISA) credit card? > > > Yes, but. > > > > >If you want to do this you pay the special prices - > > > >Inside the EU 40 ukp > > >Rest of the world 34 ukp > > Why is EU more expensive than rest of the world? Just interested. And > why is the "rest of the world" price even cheaper than the one for UK > residents paying with "normal" cheques? Because the "rest of the world" doesn't have to pay UK or EU VAT. -- Frits R. Polak National Aerospace Laboratory (NLR), Amsterdam Airports Department phone : +31-(0)20-5113543; fax: +31-(0)20-5113210 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovat