From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 1 13:56:06 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132517 for opro ; Fri, 01 Sep 100 13:56:02 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 967789151:20:01132:62; Fri, 01 Sep 2000 06:19:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2124644; 1 Sep 2000 6:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA05744 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 05:52:42 +0100 Received: from snowy.kiwilink.co.nz (snowy.kiwilink.co.nz [202.27.215.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA05741 for ; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 05:52:35 +0100 Received: from timk.kiwilink.co.nz (ppp-53.kiwilink.co.nz [202.27.215.119]) by snowy.kiwilink.co.nz (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id e815n1G14232 for ; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 17:49:02 +1200 (NZST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tim King To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 15:13:16 +1200 Subject: Re: PScript print Message-ID: <49f70171actim@de-sig.co.nz> In-Reply-To: <49f69f9c1fC.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> References: <49f6096db5tim@de-sig.co.nz> <49f65aa250tim@de-sig.co.nz> <49f69f9c1fC.A.Jo User-Agent: Pluto/2.02a (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <49f69f9c1fC.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk>, Chris Johnson wrote: > Yes - RiScript seems to keep the file open all the time it is being > viewed. From memory, even when the viewer is closed, the file is > still open, since simply clicking on the iconbar icon reopens the > last file viewed. It is necessary to explicity close the file using > the appropriate button (the little square gadget near top left) in > RiScript before the file is closed. Yep - must still hold it's address somewhere tho, as you can get it back with the arrow key when it then repropcesses the file. However, in this case it was more than just open. It overwrote the Access setting of the file. Somehow. And I can't repeat it now when I try. But that's what had happened. Tim -- Tim King... de-Sig. +64 9 478.3114 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 1 14:29:17 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132533 for opro ; Fri, 01 Sep 100 14:29:15 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 967814889:20:23605:21; Fri, 01 Sep 2000 13:28:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2023144; 1 Sep 2000 13:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA06739 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 13:24:50 +0100 Received: from widukind.bi.teuto.net (IDENT:root@widukind.bi.teuto.net [212.8.197.28]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA06735 for ; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 13:24:47 +0100 Received: from shelley (p3E9BFBF5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [62.155.251.245]) by widukind.bi.teuto.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA30856 for ; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 15:23:18 +0200 Received: from uff411.ucs.de (212.108.202.179) by shelley.ucs.de; Fri, 01 Sep 2000 15:23:08 +0200 Received: from kaskaskia.ucs.de by uff411.ucs.de; Fri, 01 Sep 2000 15:22:59 +0200 Received: from martinv by kaskaskia.ucs.de with local (RemoteNB 1.08beta2) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; 01 Sep 2000 15:22:58 +0200 Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 15:22:58 +0200 From: Martin Vethake Message-ID: <8c4339f749.martinv@kaskaskia.ucs.de> X-Organization: U C S User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10 (RemoteNB/1.08beta2) (RISC-OS/3.70) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: D.Pilling has left the building? X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.21beta MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Popauth-Info: 967814567 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hello, does anybody else get this when trying to mail David? The original message was received at Fri, 1 Sep 2000 13:46:28 +0200 from p3E9BFAC1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [62.155.250.193] ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 550 ... Host unknown (Name server: pilling.demon.co.uk: host not found) Regards -- Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 1 15:31:40 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132541 for opro ; Fri, 01 Sep 100 15:31:33 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 967816416:20:26787:34; Fri, 01 Sep 2000 13:53:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2025992; 1 Sep 2000 13:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA06892 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 13:48:17 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA06889 for ; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 13:48:16 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13Ur9e-000PXQ-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 13:46:50 +0000 Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 14:30:32 GMT Message-Id: <132534@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: D.Pilling has left the building? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >does anybody else get this when trying to mail David? No, I've not seen any interruption to incoming email. It would be nice to think one could attribute that problem to one source, but which... Anything the mail list posts out which is bounced, comes back to me, and it's quite common for addresses to fail occasionally. Interesting to think how many relationships flounder because "you didn't reply to my email". Tradition dictates that Martin will by now have posted to c.s.a. that I'm no longer in business ;-) David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 1 16:38:06 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132542 for opro ; Fri, 01 Sep 100 16:38:01 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 967819455:20:03705:25; Fri, 01 Sep 2000 14:44:15 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2103075; 1 Sep 2000 14:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA07083 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 14:41:54 +0100 Received: from widukind.bi.teuto.net (IDENT:root@widukind.bi.teuto.net [212.8.197.28]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA07080 for ; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 14:41:52 +0100 Received: from shelley (p3E9BFAFB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [62.155.250.251]) by widukind.bi.teuto.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA12904 for ; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 16:40:23 +0200 Received: from uff411.ucs.de (212.108.202.179) by shelley.ucs.de; Fri, 01 Sep 2000 16:39:03 +0200 Received: from kaskaskia.ucs.de by uff411.ucs.de; Fri, 01 Sep 2000 16:38:57 +0200 Received: from martinv by kaskaskia.ucs.de with local (RemoteNB 1.08beta2) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; 01 Sep 2000 16:38:55 +0200 Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 16:38:54 +0200 From: Martin Vethake To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: D.Pilling has left the building? Message-ID: <823740f749.martinv@kaskaskia.ucs.de> References: <132534@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <132534@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: U C S User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10 (RemoteNB/1.08beta2) (RISC-OS/3.70) X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.21beta MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Popauth-Info: 967819192 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <132534@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > > >does anybody else get this when trying to mail David? > > No, I've not seen any interruption to incoming email. > Ngh... guess our provider screwed his mail server. Point is I was trying to send You some user-data to be registered. Well, to get things done before the weekend I shall enlighten all of this list with: # 02967 Peter von Pokrziwnitzki Karl-Peters-Str. 7 D-33605 Bielefeld Germany Who is a nice chap and a long-standing OP user, albeit a bit slow in returning registration-cards. Everybody give him a cheer and David, please send me the RegData for him. > Tradition dictates that Martin will by now have posted to c.s.a. that I'm > no longer in business ;-) > Darned, just now I had arranged for worldwide obituaries and memorial festivities... Kind Regards -- Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 1 16:38:16 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132545 for opro ; Fri, 01 Sep 100 16:38:14 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 967821940:20:26791:36; Fri, 01 Sep 2000 15:25:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2026541; 1 Sep 2000 15:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA07239 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 15:13:11 +0100 Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk [137.205.192.30]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA07236 for ; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 15:13:09 +0100 Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@pansy [137.205.192.19]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.10.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id e81FBi816561 for ; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 16:11:44 +0100 (BST) Received: from bashley (bashley [137.205.186.91]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.10.1/8.9.3) with SMTP id e81FBip29417 for ; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 16:11:44 +0100 (BST) From: "Nick Kaijaks" To: Subject: RE: D.Pilling has left the building? Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 16:09:13 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <823740f749.martinv@kaskaskia.ucs.de> Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Martin Vethake wrote: > Point is I was trying to send You some user-data to be registered. > Well, to get things done before the weekend I shall enlighten > all of this list with: > > Peter von > > Who is a nice chap and a long-standing OP user, albeit a bit > slow in returning registration-cards. Everybody give him a cheer > and David, please send me the RegData for him. Hurrah for Peter, and hurrah for Martin that Germany doesn't have a Data Protection Act ;-) Later, Nick -- Nick Kaijaks, Pinxit Design - Information Design for Internet and print http://www.kaijaks.co.uk/ mailto:nick@kaijaks.co.uk Disclaimer: caveat internettor -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 1 21:39:54 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132546 for opro ; Fri, 01 Sep 100 21:39:48 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 967823916:20:08848:34; Fri, 01 Sep 2000 15:58:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2008671; 1 Sep 2000 15:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA07418 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 15:52:42 +0100 Received: from widukind.bi.teuto.net (IDENT:root@widukind.bi.teuto.net [212.8.197.28]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA07415 for ; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 15:52:39 +0100 Received: from shelley (p3E9BF96E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [62.155.249.110]) by widukind.bi.teuto.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA25948 for ; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 17:51:14 +0200 Received: from uff411.ucs.de (212.108.202.179) by shelley.ucs.de; Fri, 01 Sep 2000 17:50:58 +0200 Received: from kaskaskia.ucs.de by uff411.ucs.de; Fri, 01 Sep 2000 17:50:52 +0200 Received: from martinv by kaskaskia.ucs.de with local (RemoteNB 1.08beta2) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; 01 Sep 2000 17:50:49 +0200 Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 17:50:49 +0200 From: Martin Vethake To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: RE: D.Pilling has left the building? Message-ID: <05cd46f749.martinv@kaskaskia.ucs.de> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: U C S User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10 (RemoteNB/1.08beta2) (RISC-OS/3.70) X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.21beta MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Popauth-Info: 967823445 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: [snip] > Hurrah for Peter, and hurrah for Martin that Germany doesn't have a Data > Protection Act > Don't You think so, Germany has acts for just about anything. But we all know breaking the Data Protection Act in Germany calls for a true looney. And as such I can't be held liable. 8) -- Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 1 21:39:58 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132549 for opro ; Fri, 01 Sep 100 21:39:56 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 967830723:10:12419:19; Fri, 01 Sep 2000 17:52:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1011876; 1 Sep 2000 17:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA07722 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 17:49:54 +0100 Received: from cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.171]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA07719 for ; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 17:49:51 +0100 Received: from modem-66.dimrill.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.155.66] helo=jaggies.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 13UuvP-0001nr-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 01 Sep 2000 18:48:24 +0100 Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 16:25:35 +0100 From: Brian Howlett Message-ID: <8f7d44f749.BHowlett@jaggies.freeserve.co.uk> X-Organization: The Terry Wogan Home for the Bewildered User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 X-Computer: Acorn RiscPC SA-110 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Toolbox X-Editor: Zap 1.43 (29 Oct 1999) ds-11, ZapEmail 0.24 (26 Aug 1999) patch-9 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R When editing a wide format document, say A4 sideways, when opening the OPro window to its full extent the toolbox disappears off the edge of the screen. Is there a mechanism to allow the toolbox to appear on top, like !Draw, or to restrict the width of the window to allow the toolbox to be displayed? Perhaps this could be activated by holding down Ctrl or Alt while clicking the toggle size icon if people prefer it to be optional? Shift is obviously already spoken for when clicking toggle size... -- Brian Howlett ------------------------------------------- I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous... -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 1 23:01:33 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132564 for opro ; Fri, 01 Sep 100 23:01:30 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 967844229:10:08801:15; Fri, 01 Sep 2000 21:37:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1124207; 1 Sep 2000 21:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA08242 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 21:35:22 +0100 Received: from plutonium.uunet.be (plutonium.uunet.be [194.7.1.47]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA08239 for ; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 21:35:20 +0100 Received: from uu212-190-3-70 (uu212-190-3-70.unknown.uunet.be [212.190.3.70]) by plutonium.uunet.be (8.9.1/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA02784 for ; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 23:33:44 +0200 (CEST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefaan Claes To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 22:55:13 +0200 Subject: Re: D.Pilling has left the building? Message-ID: <49f762ab6fsclaes@aaug.net> In-Reply-To: <823740f749.martinv@kaskaskia.ucs.de> References: <132534@pilling.demon.co.uk> <823740f749.martinv@kaskaskia.ucs.de> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) X-Platform: A7000+ X-Processor: ARM7500fe Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On 01 Sep, Martin Vethake wrote: > In message <132534@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > > > > > >does anybody else get this when trying to mail David? > > > > No, I've not seen any interruption to incoming email. > > > Ngh... guess our provider screwed his mail server. Could be... Apropos: I have sent a few emails to , but I didn't get any reply (yet). I suppose the emails did reach their destination because they didn't bounce. Has Kai been on holliday or is he too busy to read his emails? Anyway, I like to have some reply. > Point is I was trying to send You some user-data to be registered. BTW: I haven't sent my registration card yet. Could I register by email? [snip] Stefaan -- Stefaan Claes, Hove, Antwerpen, Belgium, Europe, -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 2 14:12:27 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132590 for opro ; Sat, 02 Sep 100 14:12:22 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 967862338:10:02317:14; Sat, 02 Sep 2000 02:38:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1125634; 2 Sep 2000 2:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA08937 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 02:38:07 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA08934 for ; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 02:38:05 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13V3Ad-0000LQ-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 02:36:39 +0000 Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2000 02:15:14 GMT Message-Id: <132581@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: D.Pilling has left the building? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >BTW: I haven't sent my registration card yet. Could I register >by email? With me or with Kai? I guess I don't mind email, I'd rather have the card though. The famous upgrade is looking like it will launch on 1/10/2000. I've sold about 150 copies of OPro, and their owners get the upgrade for free, but only if I have their card and know where to send it. Point being that a substantial number haven't registered. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 2 14:12:32 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132592 for opro ; Sat, 02 Sep 100 14:12:29 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 967862625:10:09496:14; Sat, 02 Sep 2000 02:43:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1009457; 2 Sep 2000 2:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA08932 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 02:38:04 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA08929 for ; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 02:38:02 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13V3Ab-0000LQ-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 02:36:37 +0000 Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2000 02:13:00 GMT Message-Id: <132579@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Toolbox X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >When editing a wide format document, say A4 sideways, when opening the >OPro window to its full extent the toolbox disappears off the edge of >the screen. Is there a mechanism to allow the toolbox to appear on top, >like !Draw, or to restrict the width of the window to allow the toolbox >to be displayed? Err I don't think this is my experience. At least not with the toggle button. Perhaps it does this if you've changed the templates file, or in old versions. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 2 14:12:37 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132594 for opro ; Sat, 02 Sep 100 14:12:34 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 967863300:10:02449:14; Sat, 02 Sep 2000 02:55:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1002425; 2 Sep 2000 2:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA08942 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 02:38:11 +0100 Received: from smtp2.jakinternet.co.uk (proxy.jakinternet.co.uk [212.41.43.4]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA08400 for ; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 22:20:39 +0100 Received: from smtp.jakinternet.co.uk (smtp.jakinternet.co.uk [212.41.41.61]) by smtp2.jakinternet.co.uk (Postfix) with SMTP id 529D8A770D for ; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 23:15:14 +0100 (BST) Received: from redhotant.com ([212.41.37.161]) by smtp.jakinternet.co.uk ; Fri, 01 Sep 2000 23:18:01 -0100 Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 23:18:58 +0100 From: Mark Daniel To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Toolbox Message-ID: <35566af749%Mark@freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <8f7d44f749.BHowlett@jaggies.freeserve.co.uk> X-Organization: Mad Cow Software X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b User-Agent: POPstar/2.02 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Brian Howlett was let out long enough to write: > When editing a wide format document, say A4 sideways, when opening the > OPro window to its full extent the toolbox disappears off the edge of > the screen. Is there a mechanism to allow the toolbox to appear on top, > like !Draw, or to restrict the width of the window to allow the toolbox > to be displayed? > > Perhaps this could be activated by holding down Ctrl or Alt while > clicking the toggle size icon if people prefer it to be optional? Shift > is obviously already spoken for when clicking toggle size... This can be achived fairly easily by editing the templates (in !OvnResDir.UK.Templates) and setting the keep on screen flag for the toolbox and info windows. If don't have a template editor or whatever I could e-mail you a modified set. See ya, Mark. -- You only get *B*est *S*oftware *E*ver from Mad Cow Software E-mail WWW http://madsoft.cjb.net ICQ UIN - 26495898 ------- >>I am looking for an honest man. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 2 14:12:43 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132597 for opro ; Sat, 02 Sep 100 14:12:38 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 967882231:20:15336:21; Sat, 02 Sep 2000 08:10:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2127726; 2 Sep 2000 8:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA09776 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 08:08:20 +0100 Received: from widukind.bi.teuto.net (IDENT:root@widukind.bi.teuto.net [212.8.197.28]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA09773 for ; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 08:08:17 +0100 Received: from shelley (p3E9BFBC8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [62.155.251.200]) by widukind.bi.teuto.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA14112 for ; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 10:06:52 +0200 Received: from uff411.ucs.de (212.108.202.179) by shelley.ucs.de; Sat, 02 Sep 2000 10:05:51 +0200 Received: from kaskaskia.ucs.de by uff411.ucs.de; Sat, 02 Sep 2000 10:05:46 +0200 Received: from martinv by kaskaskia.ucs.de with local (RemoteNB 1.08beta2) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; 02 Sep 2000 10:04:50 +0200 Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2000 10:04:50 +0200 From: Martin Vethake To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: D.Pilling has left the building? Message-ID: <68f99ff749.martinv@kaskaskia.ucs.de> References: <132581@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <132581@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: U C S User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10 (RemoteNB/1.08beta2) (RISC-OS/3.70) X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.21beta MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Popauth-Info: 967881984 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <132581@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: [snip] > Point being that a substantial number haven't registered. > Yep, most registration-cards end-up as bookmarks instead of being sent someplace. And since we rely on people sending them back instead of churning through our central database trying to figure who has what, there is a bit of slack... Regards -- Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 2 14:12:47 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132599 for opro ; Sat, 02 Sep 100 14:12:44 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 967886852:20:27651:15; Sat, 02 Sep 2000 09:27:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2026838; 2 Sep 2000 9:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA09982 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 09:25:01 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA09975 for ; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 09:24:59 +0100 Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([158.152.204.98]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13V9WP-000PFW-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 09:23:33 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2000 09:46:53 +0100 Subject: Re: D.Pilling has left the building? Message-ID: <49f7a3d2dbjohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <132581@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <132581@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <132581@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >BTW: I haven't sent my registration card yet. Could I register > >by email? > With me or with Kai? > I guess I don't mind email, I'd rather have the card though. > The famous upgrade is looking like it will launch on 1/10/2000. > I've sold about 150 copies of OPro, and their owners get the upgrade for > free, but only if I have their card and know where to send it. > Point being that a substantial number haven't registered. My CD came without a card. I presumed you'd completed the registration details before posting the CD to me. -- John Cartmell, Manchester UK Fleur Designs designer products for individuals & education services craft products ~ information products ~ information services ** New Products - a range of unique modular board games ** -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From johnson@argonet.co.uk Sat Sep 2 14:12:51 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132601 for opro ; Sat, 02 Sep 100 14:12:49 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 967890448:20:23066:0; Sat, 02 Sep 2000 10:27:28 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2107163; 2 Sep 2000 10:27 GMT Received: from usern660.uk.uudial.com (argonet.co.uk) [193.149.85.185] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13VAWC-00031l-00; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 11:27:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Keith To: David Pilling Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2000 10:38:57 +0100 Subject: Re: D.Pilling has left the building? Message-ID: <49f7a89780johnson@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <132581@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <132581@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Reply-To: johnson@argonet.co.uk Content-Type: text/plain Status: R In article <132581@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >BTW: I haven't sent my registration card yet. Could I register > >by email? > With me or with Kai? > I guess I don't mind email, I'd rather have the card though. > The famous upgrade is looking like it will launch on 1/10/2000. > I've sold about 150 copies of OPro, and their owners get the upgrade for > free, but only if I have their card and know where to send it. > Point being that a substantial number haven't registered. Hi David I think I've registered but you have set a doubt running so I must chase it. The number is 5095 By he way the trial Impression converter I downloaded and installed works OK but does not allow me to edit or save. Is this intentional or have I done something wrong?? Keith -- Keith & Lesley Johnson, Snail Mail:- Homeward, Main Road, Filby, Great Yarmouth, Norfolk NR29 3HN (01493) (H) 369536 (W) 846409 One day Snotlings will rule the Punyverse. From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 2 14:12:53 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132602 for opro ; Sat, 02 Sep 100 14:12:51 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 967900304:10:14222:14; Sat, 02 Sep 2000 13:11:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1129375; 2 Sep 2000 13:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA10478 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 13:06:26 +0100 Received: from plutonium.uunet.be (plutonium.uunet.be [194.7.1.47]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA10475 for ; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 13:06:24 +0100 Received: from uu212-190-15-14 (uu212-190-15-14.unknown.uunet.be [212.190.15.14]) by plutonium.uunet.be (8.9.1/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA00564 for ; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 15:04:58 +0200 (CEST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefaan Claes To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2000 12:09:40 +0200 Subject: Re: D.Pilling has left the building? Message-ID: <49f7ab6731sclaes@aaug.net> In-Reply-To: <132581@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <132581@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) X-Platform: A7000+ X-Processor: ARM7500fe Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 02 Sep, David Pilling wrote: > >BTW: I haven't sent my registration card yet. Could I register > >by email? > With me or with Kai? I bought Ovation Pro some time ago (Wakefield2000, CJE), but I didn't install it until I had upgraded my A7000+ (more memory and a bigger hd). > I guess I don't mind email, I'd rather have the card though. OK, I will send the card. If only I could remember where I left the postage stamps... I guess I will have to go to the post office. :-/ > The famous upgrade is looking like it will launch on 1/10/2000. Good 8-) > I've sold about 150 copies of OPro, and their owners get the upgrade for > free, but only if I have their card and know where to send it. Maybe more of them would register if they could do it by email or on the website. BTW: how many of those 150 are subscribed to this mailing list? (just curious) > Point being that a substantial number haven't registered. Strange. Maybe some registration cards got lost... Maybe you should restrict the upgrades to those who have registered (i.e. a bit like Oregano: you have to register first before you can get the full version). > David Pilling Stefaan -- Stefaan Claes, Hove, Antwerpen, Belgium, Europe, -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 2 15:27:49 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132617 for opro ; Sat, 02 Sep 100 15:27:46 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 967904209:10:22327:14; Sat, 02 Sep 2000 14:16:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1022275; 2 Sep 2000 14:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA10698 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 14:15:46 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA10695 for ; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 14:15:44 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13VE3k-000Iqz-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 14:14:16 +0000 Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2000 14:17:19 GMT Message-Id: <132604@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: D.Pilling has left the building? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >From: John Cartmell >My CD came without a card. I presumed you'd completed the registration >details before posting the CD to me. Yes, as it says on the card if I know who you are when I sell the OPro pack then I fill in the reg card for you. >From: Keith >I think I've registered but you have set a doubt running so I must chase I'll check, but if anyone wants to discuss this subject, use private email please. >By he way the trial Impression converter I downloaded and installed works >OK but does not allow me to edit or save. >Is this intentional or have I done something wrong?? Intentional. >From: Stefaan Claes >Maybe more of them would register if they could do it by email or on the website. Probably. Allowing it via the web site would be a good idea, I may do that now. >BTW: how many of those 150 are subscribed to this mailing list? (just curious) I don't have a clue. As it happens the number of subscribers has stayed fairly constant at about 500 for the last 3 years. Some leave, some new ones join. The interesting question is how many of the 2236 copies Beebug sold are actually still in use. >Maybe you should restrict the upgrades to those who have registered (i.e. a bit >like Oregano: you have to register first before you can get the full version). That will be the pattern in the future. In fact I hope, MS like, to make it so that you can't use the software without an 'always on' 'net connection. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 4 17:07:51 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132631 for opro ; Mon, 04 Sep 100 17:07:48 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 967919092:20:21200:14; Sat, 02 Sep 2000 18:24:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2021145; 2 Sep 2000 18:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA11317 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 18:23:57 +0100 Received: from mail6.svr.pol.co.uk (mail6.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.212]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA11314 for ; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 18:23:55 +0100 Received: from modem-46.longnose-hawk.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.38.46] helo=modem-46) by mail6.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 13VHv9-0008So-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 02 Sep 2000 19:21:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2000 19:22:15 +0100 Subject: Re: D.Pilling has left the building? Message-ID: <49f7d87ff6rayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <49f7ab6731sclaes@aaug.net> References: <132581@pilling.demon.co.uk> <49f7ab6731sclaes@aaug.net> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Stefaan Claes wrote: > > The famous upgrade is looking like it will launch on 1/10/2000. > Good 8-) Could you remind us please how much it will cost to upgrade if we aren't new customers - then I can put my cheque in the post :-) Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 020 8864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 4 17:08:43 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132637 for opro ; Mon, 04 Sep 100 17:08:41 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 967925983:20:04074:16; Sat, 02 Sep 2000 20:19:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2116473; 2 Sep 2000 20:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA11628 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 20:18:56 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA11625 for ; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 20:18:54 +0100 Received: from userc624.uk.uudial.com (194.69.99.82) [194.69.99.82] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13VJjE-0003Rw-00; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 21:17:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2000 07:56:38 +0100 Subject: Re: D.Pilling has left the building? Message-ID: <49f799bafesteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <132581@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <132581@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <132581@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > The famous upgrade is looking like it will launch on 1/10/2000. The v2.59 CD version I take it? > I've sold about 150 copies of OPro, and their owners get the upgrade for > free, but only if I have their card and know where to send it. No card in the Jiffy bag so must refer to the older version. > Point being that a substantial number haven't registered. Hmmm, did my purchase of the CD count? -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 4 17:08:51 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132639 for opro ; Mon, 04 Sep 100 17:08:49 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 967939656:20:19935:35; Sun, 03 Sep 2000 00:07:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2019952; 3 Sep 2000 0:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA12109 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 00:06:40 +0100 Received: from cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.173]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA12101 for ; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 00:06:32 +0100 Received: from modem-108.yttrium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.35.108] helo=jaggies.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 13VNHW-0007Jp-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 03 Sep 2000 01:05:06 +0100 Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2000 01:02:48 +0100 From: Brian Howlett To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Toolbox Message-ID: References: <35566af749%Mark@freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <35566af749%Mark@freeserve.co.uk> X-Organization: The Terry Wogan Home for the Bewildered User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 X-Computer: Acorn RiscPC SA-110 X-Editor: Zap 1.43 (29 Oct 1999) ds-11, ZapEmail 0.24 (26 Aug 1999) patch-9 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 1 Sep 2000, Mark Daniel wrote: > Brian Howlett was let out long > enough to write: > [...losing the toolbox off the edge of the screen...] > > This can be achived fairly easily by editing the templates (in > !OvnResDir.UK.Templates) and setting the keep on screen flag for the > toolbox and info windows. If don't have a template editor or whatever > I could e-mail you a modified set. > Thanks. I'll have a look at doing this; I have a copy of !TemplEd somewhere... [Later] Luckily, I kept a back-up when editing the Templates; the result was an error message about a template not found :-( I also couldn't find the template which represents the tool bar, so I edited the Main window and set it to remain on screen. Doing so causes an error Template VRuler not found. There is no template with this name in the file. -- Brian Howlett ------------------------------------------- I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous... -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 4 17:09:03 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132642 for opro ; Mon, 04 Sep 100 17:08:59 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 967969466:20:12502:16; Sun, 03 Sep 2000 08:24:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2122489; 3 Sep 2000 8:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA13112 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 08:18:54 +0100 Received: from typhoon.mail.pipex.net (typhoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA13109 for ; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 08:18:51 +0100 Received: (qmail 4021 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2000 08:17:25 -0000 Received: from userev45.uk.uudial.com (HELO loopback) (62.188.17.228) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2000 08:17:25 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2000 08:56:20 +0100 Subject: Re: Toolbox Message-ID: <49f823084cdfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: References: <35566af749%Mark@freeserve.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Brian Howlett wrote: > On 1 Sep 2000, Mark Daniel wrote: > > Brian Howlett was let out long > > enough to write: > > > [...losing the toolbox off the edge of the screen...] > > > > This can be achived fairly easily by editing the templates (in > > !OvnResDir.UK.Templates) and setting the keep on screen flag for the > > toolbox and info windows. If don't have a template editor or whatever > > I could e-mail you a modified set. > > > Thanks. I'll have a look at doing this; I have a copy of !TemplEd > somewhere... > [Later] Luckily, I kept a back-up when editing the Templates; the result > was an error message about a template not found :-( > I also couldn't find the template which represents the tool bar, so I > edited the Main window and set it to remain on screen. Doing so causes > an error Template VRuler not found. There is no template with this name > in the file. I tried Johns fix and have encountered no templates problems what-so-ever. IIRC the problem you describe is with TemplEd itself not being set up to handle the large number of template files that Ov Pro contains. This means it tends to loose/forget/not see files after nnn when resaving. In the TemplEd !Run file near the bottom are some configs that can be changed to suit your requirements. I'm using TemplEd 1.34 and the mods to the bottom of my !Run file are: Start file insert...............(Don't include this line). The following maximum values can be set to suit your needs | Set TemplEd$MaxTemplates 1800 | max number of user templates Set TemplEd$MaxIcons 1800 | max number of icons in a user template Set TemplEd$MaxIndirSize 16000 | space for indirected data (only for loading) | WimpSlot -min 210K -max 256K Run .!Runimage %*0 End file insert...................(Don't include this line). Since making the mods ages ago (advice from someone else) I've not had any problems of that sort with TemplEd. Hope that helps Cheers Dave S -- _______________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... dfs@ukgateway.net Also... df@dafs.freeserve.co.uk .. or... dave@triffid.co.uk http://www.dfs.ukgateway.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 4 17:09:12 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132645 for opro ; Mon, 04 Sep 100 17:09:09 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 967974912:20:23285:14; Sun, 03 Sep 2000 09:55:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2111431; 3 Sep 2000 9:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA13370 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 09:49:13 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA13367 for ; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 09:49:11 +0100 Received: from userao32.uk.uudial.com (62.188.135.148) [62.188.135.148] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13VWNO-000162-00; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 10:47:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Adrian John Warrick To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2000 10:08:41 +0100 Subject: Re: D.Pilling has left the building? Message-ID: <49f829a816awarrick@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <132604@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <132604@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 02 Sep, David Pilling wrote: > >From: John Cartmell > >My CD came without a card. I presumed you'd completed the registration > >details before posting the CD to me. > Yes, as it says on the card if I know who you are when I sell the OPro pack > then I fill in the reg card for you. Errrm, on a slightly diferent note, I can recommend a very good database for RiscOS systems.... ;-} best wishes Adrian (Warrick) -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ awarrick@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 4 17:09:35 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132651 for opro ; Mon, 04 Sep 100 17:09:32 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 967990223:20:11683:14; Sun, 03 Sep 2000 14:10:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2117802; 3 Sep 2000 14:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA14060 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 14:03:01 +0100 Received: from hose.pipex.net (hose.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.58]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA14057 for ; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 14:02:59 +0100 Received: from RiscPC (userao08.uk.uudial.com [62.188.135.124]) by hose.pipex.net (Postfix) with SMTP id E7CE24552 for ; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 15:01:33 +0100 (BST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Roy K.Gillard" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2000 13:12:45 +0100 Subject: Re: Problem with PC Delete in !Boot configuration Message-ID: <49f83a81ccroy.matra@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <127782@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <127782@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02a (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <127782@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >I have PC Delete set in my RiscPC configuration However, the RiscPC PC > >Delete mode does not seem to work properly with OvationPro. > Correct it doesn't. I noted this here when RISC OS 4 came out, however > because no one has ever complained I've not fixed it yet. I use PC Delete too and found this problem as soon as I started using OPro but never complained to you simply because I assumed OPro and PC Delete were not compatible in this respect (and it was my fault for using it!) :( However, I too need the keyboard standardisation that PC Delete gives, so continue to use it. I also found that I could simply delete the link using the info palette button, so it was not 'a big deal'. If you ever do fix it, I will be happier, thanks. Regards, Roy -- StrongArm RISCOS Computers for speed and reliability Psion Palmtops for speed, reliability and portability http://www.roy.matra.ukgateway.net/ email: roy.matra@ukgateway.net (PGP key available) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 4 17:09:39 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132652 for opro ; Mon, 04 Sep 100 17:09:36 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968002268:20:08810:14; Sun, 03 Sep 2000 17:31:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2008672; 3 Sep 2000 17:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA14517 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 17:30:19 +0100 Received: from cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.173]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA14514 for ; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 17:30:16 +0100 Received: from modem-86.thulium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.54.86] helo=jaggies.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 13VdZa-0001CA-00; Sun, 03 Sep 2000 18:28:51 +0100 Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2000 16:52:48 +0100 From: Brian Howlett To: dfs@ukgateway.net Cc: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Toolbox Message-ID: <8ba74ef849.BHowlett@jaggies.freeserve.co.uk> References: <35566af749%Mark@freeserve.co.uk> <49f823084cdfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <49f823084cdfs@ukgateway.net> X-Organization: The Terry Wogan Home for the Bewildered User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 X-Computer: Acorn RiscPC SA-110 X-Editor: Zap 1.43 (29 Oct 1999) ds-11, ZapEmail 0.24 (26 Aug 1999) patch-9 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 3 Sep 2000, Dave Symes wrote: [snip] > > I tried Johns fix and have encountered no templates problems > what-so-ever. > > IIRC the problem you describe is with TemplEd itself not being set up > to handle the large number of template files that Ov Pro contains. > This means it tends to loose/forget/not see files after nnn when > resaving. > > In the TemplEd !Run file near the bottom are some configs that can be > changed to suit your requirements. > > I'm using TemplEd 1.34 and the mods to the bottom of my !Run file are: > [...snip fix for !TemplEd...] > > Hope that helps Thanks for that; it's certainly fixed it, and now !TemplEd shows all the templates correctly. Thanks also to Mark Daniel who sent me a fixed Templates file that works the way I want it to. -- Brian Howlett ----------------------------------------- ..sig ROT13'd twice, for extra security... -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 4 17:09:56 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132655 for opro ; Mon, 04 Sep 100 17:09:54 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968007585:20:05170:14; Sun, 03 Sep 2000 18:59:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2005090; 3 Sep 2000 18:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA14766 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 18:56:47 +0100 Received: from cmailg5.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg5.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.175]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA14763 for ; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 18:56:45 +0100 Received: from modem-151.arkansas.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.55.151] helo=seador.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailg5.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 13VevI-00014x-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 03 Sep 2000 19:55:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Chris Dawson." To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2000 19:56:00 +0100 Subject: Loading Documents into earlier versions. Message-ID: <49f85f6d15chris.dawson@aaug.net> In-Reply-To: <8ba74ef849.BHowlett@jaggies.freeserve.co.uk> References: <35566af749%Mark@freeserve.co.uk> <49f823084cdfs@ukgateway.net> <8ba7 User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I understand that by editing one byte in the document you can get Opro to load 2.58 documents into 2.56. I've looked back in the archive to be beginning of 1998 and can't find any reference as to how to do this. Can any one remember please? TIA. -- Chris... -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 4 23:05:45 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132690 for opro ; Mon, 04 Sep 100 23:05:41 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 967939650:11:03356:14; Sun, 03 Sep 2000 00:07:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1024735; 3 Sep 2000 0:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA12106 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 00:06:35 +0100 Received: from cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.173]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA12103 for ; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 00:06:33 +0100 Received: from modem-108.yttrium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.35.108] helo=jaggies.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 13VNHY-0007Jp-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 03 Sep 2000 01:05:08 +0100 Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2000 01:01:27 +0100 From: Brian Howlett To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Toolbox Message-ID: <188ef7f749.BHowlett@jaggies.freeserve.co.uk> References: <132579@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <132579@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: The Terry Wogan Home for the Bewildered User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 X-Computer: Acorn RiscPC SA-110 X-Editor: Zap 1.43 (29 Oct 1999) ds-11, ZapEmail 0.24 (26 Aug 1999) patch-9 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 2 Sep 2000, David Pilling wrote: > [...toolbox disappearing...] > > Err I don't think this is my experience. At least not with the toggle > button. Perhaps it does this if you've changed the templates file, or > in old versions. > I'm using 2.58, and I haven't changed the templates file. I've been advised to try exactly that, so I will see if that helps. [Later] See my other reply in this thread; I get a Template VRuler not found error when I set the Main window to keep on screen. Perhaps this is the wrong one to change. There is no VRuler in the templates file... -- Brian Howlett --------------------------------------------------------------------- There's a little known psychological theory that all women want to be piano players - pianist envy... -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 4 23:06:05 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132696 for opro ; Mon, 04 Sep 100 23:06:04 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 967982137:10:20910:14; Sun, 03 Sep 2000 11:55:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1128944; 3 Sep 2000 11:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA13721 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 11:54:39 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA13718 for ; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 11:54:37 +0100 Received: from userb699.uk.uudial.com (193.149.83.174) [193.149.83.174] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13VYKl-0004Zw-00; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 12:53:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: William McNee To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2000 12:51:13 +0100 Subject: Re: D.Pilling has left the building? Message-ID: <49f8388947w-mcnee@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <132604@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <132604@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.01i (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <132604@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > I don't have a clue. As it happens the number of subscribers has stayed > fairly constant at about 500 for the last 3 years. Some leave, some new > ones join. The interesting question is how many of the 2236 copies > Beebug sold are actually still in use. When I load OvPro, the Beebug banner pops up at the start. I'm now using version 2.58, so I don't know if it's classed as a Beebug version or your version. > >Maybe you should restrict the upgrades to those who have registered > >(i.e. a bit like Oregano: you have to register first before you can get > >the full version). > That will be the pattern in the future. In fact I hope, MS like, to make > it so that you can't use the software without an 'always on' 'net > connection. I can't remember if Beebug sent me a registration card when I ordered it from them. If so, then I would have filled it in and sent it back. So I'm not sure who my version will be registered with, seeing as you've took over development. :-) When I get the CD version, David (note the when, not if ;-)) will I get a registration card with it? William -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 4 23:06:30 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132706 for opro ; Mon, 04 Sep 100 23:06:28 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968065965:11:29554:27; Mon, 04 Sep 2000 11:12:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1019063; 4 Sep 2000 11:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA16816 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 11:07:38 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA16813 for ; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 11:07:33 +0100 Received: from mk-net.demon.co.uk ([194.222.12.18] helo=Dell_p450.mk-net.demon.co.uk) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13Vu4m-00010W-0U for OvationPro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 12:06:08 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 12:05:57 +0100 To: Ovation Maillist From: Tony van der Hoff Subject: Snap to Grid MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 U Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, I have a frame, rotated through 90deg, with a .25 mm border. When re- sizing, it will not snap to grid, nor lock to any guidelines (with those facilities enabled). Dragging the entire frame around locks correctly. Any suggestions? -- Tony van der Hoff | Mailto:tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk | Mailto:avanderhoff@iee.org Buckinghamshire, England | http:www.mk-net.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 4 23:06:57 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132717 for opro ; Mon, 04 Sep 100 23:06:55 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968070693:10:29854:14; Mon, 04 Sep 2000 12:31:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1029576; 4 Sep 2000 12:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA17270 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 12:24:51 +0100 Received: from scooby.lineone.net (doggy.lineone.net [194.75.152.224]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA17267 for ; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 12:24:49 +0100 Received: from tfalbb.tfalbb.freeuk.com (host212-140-42-200.btinternet.com [212.140.42.200]) by scooby.lineone.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA24684 for ; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 13:22:45 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <4.3.0.20000904131555.00a82c60@pop.freeuk.net> X-Sender: tfalbb@pop.freeuk.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3 Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 13:23:26 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: Dave Subject: Re: D.Pilling has left the building? In-Reply-To: <132604@pilling.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R At 14:17 02/09/00 +0000, you wrote: > >BTW: how many of those 150 are subscribed to this mailing list? (just > curious) > >I don't have a clue. As it happens the number of subscribers has stayed >fairly constant at about 500 for the last 3 years. Some leave, some >new ones join. The interesting question is how many of the 2236 >copies Beebug sold are actually still in use. For what it's worth David, if QuarkXPress import and export were implemented then I would use OP in preference, but most of the documents I produce now need to be in that format. It makes a strange kind of sense to use Quark even for those that don't, else I find myself constantly looking for functions that don't exist for the next job. I'm sure this must be somewhere on your WIBLI list. Any chance of knowing how high up it is. Cheers Dave -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 5 14:44:56 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132786 for opro ; Tue, 05 Sep 100 14:44:55 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968120285:20:10235:14; Tue, 05 Sep 2000 02:18:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2010211; 5 Sep 2000 2:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA19110 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 02:15:52 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA19106 for ; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 02:15:48 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13W8Fj-000Dxi-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 02:14:23 +0000 Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 23:18:49 GMT Message-Id: <132730@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: D.Pilling has left the building? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >From: Ray Dawson >Could you remind us please how much it will cost to upgrade if we aren't >new customers - then I can put my cheque in the post :-) ukp 35 all inclusive. I'll try to set up some sort of credit card payment facility for those outside the UK (at a 10% premium to the above price). >From: Steven Pampling >> The famous upgrade is looking like it will launch on 1/10/2000. >The v2.59 CD version I take it? 2.60 as it will be, yes. >> free, but only if I have their card and know where to send it. >No card in the Jiffy bag so must refer to the older version. I could have sworn I saw a card with your name on, when I was looking for someone else. If I know the final destination of a copy I fill in the reg card to save any messing about. If you have a serial numuber >= 5000 then you get the final CD for free, and if you didn't get a reg card with your OPro, then I filled it in for you. >From: Adrian John Warrick >Errrm, on a slightly diferent note, I can recommend a very good database for >RiscOS systems.... ;-} Oh I just wrote a database program to handle all this stuff. Beats me what all the fuss is about (with dbase programs). David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 5 14:44:59 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132787 for opro ; Tue, 05 Sep 100 14:44:57 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968120689:20:20001:14; Tue, 05 Sep 2000 02:24:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2109915; 5 Sep 2000 2:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA19120 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 02:16:04 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA19117 for ; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 02:16:02 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13W8Fw-000Dxi-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 02:14:36 +0000 Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 02:04:14 GMT Message-Id: <132746@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Tab Ruler X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >In the current version (2.58) a rotated frame cannot display an accordingly >rotated Tab ruler, which is sometimes very inconvenient. I thought about this a lot, way back when I was writing that part of the program. >Could the next, eagerly awaited, version have this option implemented? Could do, yes. But won't. As of now the program and the documentation have met. For probably the first time ever. I'm inclined to leave well alone until I've shipped at least 1 CD. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 5 14:45:02 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132788 for opro ; Tue, 05 Sep 100 14:45:00 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968120743:20:22012:14; Tue, 05 Sep 2000 02:25:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2021490; 5 Sep 2000 2:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA19100 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 02:15:41 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA19097 for ; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 02:15:39 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13W8FW-000Dxi-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 02:14:10 +0000 Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 23:11:51 GMT Message-Id: <132726@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: D.Pilling has left the building? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >When I load OvPro, the Beebug banner pops up at the start. I'm now using >version 2.58, so I don't know if it's classed as a Beebug version or your >version. Thats not the point. If you bought OPro post June 1999 and if it has a serial number greater than or equal to 5000 then you get the upgrade free. Otherwise you don't - in short because it is a 'Beebug' copy. >I can't remember if Beebug sent me a registration card when I ordered it >from them. If so, then I would have filled it in and sent it back. Beebug supplied registration cards with many copies (not all) and kept a list of those who registered. >When I get the CD version If (see above) >will I get a registration card with it? Nope. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 5 14:45:09 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132791 for opro ; Tue, 05 Sep 100 14:45:07 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968120295:10:10719:14; Tue, 05 Sep 2000 02:18:15 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1113397; 5 Sep 2000 2:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA19107 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 02:15:49 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA19102 for ; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 02:15:46 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13W8Fh-000Dxi-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 02:14:21 +0000 Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 23:15:19 GMT Message-Id: <132728@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: D.Pilling has left the building? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >For what it's worth David, if QuarkXPress import and export were >implemented then I would use OP in preference Story of my life... all the time people say implement feature 'A' and we'll use it. When I do so, they just change to saying implement feature 'B'. >I'm sure this must be somewhere on your WIBLI list. Any chance of knowing >how high up it is. I think on RISC OS, there's no chance. Maybe if there's a Win version of OPro it would be more important. I guess it would be little different to cracking the Impression file format, so could be done. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 5 14:45:13 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132793 for opro ; Tue, 05 Sep 100 14:45:11 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968120314:10:11050:14; Tue, 05 Sep 2000 02:18:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1010934; 5 Sep 2000 2:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA19115 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 02:16:00 +0100 Received: from smtp05.wxs.nl (smtp05.wxs.nl [195.121.6.57]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA17221 for ; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 12:11:35 +0100 Received: from delink.wxs.nl ([195.121.160.247]) by smtp05.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 4.05 Jun 27 2000 10:40:22) with SMTP id G0D34C01.37D for ; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 14:09:48 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Sprangers To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 14:02:05 +0200 Subject: Tab ruler Message-ID: <49f8bd5deadelink@wxs.nl> User-Agent: Pluto/1.14e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Dear Mr. Pilling, In the current version (2.58) a rotated frame cannot display an accordingly rotated Tab ruler, which is sometimes very inconvenient. Could the next, eagerly awaited, version have this option implemented? Kind regards, Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 5 14:46:10 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132816 for opro ; Tue, 05 Sep 100 14:46:08 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968143529:10:23208:14; Tue, 05 Sep 2000 08:45:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1023141; 5 Sep 2000 8:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA20267 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 08:28:53 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA20264 for ; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 08:28:51 +0100 Received: from userek65.uk.uudial.com (brooke.argonet.co.uk) [62.188.13.175] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13WE4j-0004th-00; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 09:27:26 +0100 Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 09:19:08 +0100 (BST) From: J W B Greenwood Subject: Re: Tab Ruler To: Ovation Pro Mailing-List In-Reply-To: <132746@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 05 Sep, David Pilling wrote: Snipped ... further requests. > > As of now the program and the documentation have met. For probably the first > time ever. I'm inclined to leave well alone until I've shipped at least 1 CD. > > A very sound decision. May an arrogant user suggest that users and potential moaners spend the next few months reading and trying out the software according to the documentation. Perhaps afterwards, there maybe something of importance that merits attention. There may be some of us who can point out that the 'something' is obtainable without any amendment/alteration. To keep tacking layer upon layer, emulates the famous Bill Gates way of evolution and look what he ended up with. Think about it................. -- brooke@argonet.co.uk RISC OS Foundation Member -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 5 14:46:18 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132819 for opro ; Tue, 05 Sep 100 14:46:16 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968155447:10:00588:24; Tue, 05 Sep 2000 12:04:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1000354; 5 Sep 2000 12:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA21093 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 12:01:28 +0100 Received: from plutonium.uunet.be (plutonium.uunet.be [194.7.1.47]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA21090 for ; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 12:01:25 +0100 Received: from uu212-190-9-133 (uu212-190-9-133.unknown.uunet.be [212.190.9.133]) by plutonium.uunet.be (8.9.1/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA23358 for ; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 13:59:46 +0200 (CEST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefaan Claes To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 13:48:17 +0200 Subject: Re: D.Pilling has left the building? Message-ID: <49f93ff0a8sclaes@aaug.net> In-Reply-To: <132730@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <132730@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) X-Platform: A7000+ X-Processor: ARM7500fe Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On 05 Sep, David Pilling wrote: > >From: Ray Dawson > >Could you remind us please how much it will cost to upgrade if we aren't > >new customers - then I can put my cheque in the post :-) > ukp 35 all inclusive. > I'll try to set up some sort of credit card payment facility for those > outside the UK (at a 10% premium to the above price). Not everyone has a credit card... Is it possible to pay by bank transfer? I assume you have a bank account. I have done this several times before (paying by bank transfer). It is easier than sending a cheque, the cheque can't get lost and it isn't that expensive either (usually about 5UKP, there are exceptions though) OTOH, if you are also coming to the RISC OS 2000 Show (Epsom 21 and 22 Oktober)... I'm still using a very old version of SparkFS (1.27) and I would like to upgrade (it still works, but it assumes filenames longer than 10 chars are impossible, especially when decoding uucoded binaries from news articles). [snip] > David Pilling Stefaan -- Stefaan Claes, Hove, Antwerpen, Belgium, Europe, -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 5 14:46:21 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132820 for opro ; Tue, 05 Sep 100 14:46:19 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968155451:10:00733:15; Tue, 05 Sep 2000 12:04:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1029974; 5 Sep 2000 12:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA21089 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 12:01:23 +0100 Received: from plutonium.uunet.be (plutonium.uunet.be [194.7.1.47]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA21086 for ; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 12:01:20 +0100 Received: from uu212-190-9-133 (uu212-190-9-133.unknown.uunet.be [212.190.9.133]) by plutonium.uunet.be (8.9.1/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA23370 for ; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 13:59:48 +0200 (CEST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefaan Claes To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 13:55:16 +0200 Subject: Re: D.Pilling has left the building? Message-ID: <49f940945csclaes@aaug.net> In-Reply-To: <132728@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <132728@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) X-Platform: A7000+ X-Processor: ARM7500fe Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 05 Sep, David Pilling wrote: > >For what it's worth David, if QuarkXPress import and export were > >implemented then I would use OP in preference > Story of my life... all the time people say implement feature 'A' > and we'll use it. When I do so, they just change to saying implement > feature 'B'. I guess they should use open source file formats when transferring documents between different platforms. > >I'm sure this must be somewhere on your WIBLI list. Any chance of knowing > >how high up it is. > I think on RISC OS, there's no chance. Maybe if there's a Win version of OPro > it would be more important. I guess it would be little different > to cracking the Impression file format, so could be done. Nothing stops them from writing a QuarkXPress->DDL converter themselves. ICBW but I don't think you can find any documentation about the QuarkXPress file format (because it is proprietary). > David Pilling Stefaan -- Stefaan Claes, Hove, Antwerpen, Belgium, Europe, -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 5 15:33:16 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132837 for opro ; Tue, 05 Sep 100 15:33:14 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968161857:20:17528:21; Tue, 05 Sep 2000 13:50:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2017601; 5 Sep 2000 13:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA21577 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 13:48:48 +0100 Received: from cmailg6.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg6.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.176]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA21573 for ; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 13:48:42 +0100 Received: from modem-199.dragon-wrasse.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.1.199] helo=localhost) by cmailg6.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 13WJ4A-0003e3-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 05 Sep 2000 14:47:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Simon Jones To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 09:13:40 +0100 Subject: Re: Tab Ruler Message-ID: <49f92c4aafsimon.jones@capelinmedia.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <132746@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <132746@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <132746@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > time ever. I'm inclined to leave well alone until I've shipped at > least 1 CD. its mine, mine I say!! Cheers Simon -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 5 18:42:41 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132840 for opro ; Tue, 05 Sep 100 18:42:38 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968165285:10:03155:16; Tue, 05 Sep 2000 14:48:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1002039; 5 Sep 2000 14:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA21787 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 14:35:14 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA21784 for ; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 14:35:12 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13WJnH-000BrY-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 14:33:47 +0000 Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 15:07:17 GMT Message-Id: <132835@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: D.Pilling has left the building? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Not everyone has a credit card... Is it possible to pay by bank transfer? Yes. No problem. >OTOH, if you are also coming to the RISC OS 2000 Show (Epsom 21 and 22 >Oktober)... I'm not. >I'm still using a very old version of SparkFS (1.27) Its been greatly improved since then. Just send me your original disc either with return postage, or with an order for something else. >I guess they should use open source file formats when transferring documents >between different platforms. Well I'd be interested to know if there is any sort of open format for DTP documents at all. For example even something like the Quark equivalent of OPro DDL would be useful - specific to one program, but open in the sense it lets others generate documents. Time has moved on, and it seems the Quark XML program is little more than an advanced form of mail merge for import, and the usual rip out text with styles effort for export. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 5 18:42:57 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132844 for opro ; Tue, 05 Sep 100 18:42:54 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968169152:20:09990:16; Tue, 05 Sep 2000 15:52:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2111932; 5 Sep 2000 15:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA22050 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 15:50:29 +0100 Received: from widukind.bi.teuto.net (IDENT:root@widukind.bi.teuto.net [212.8.197.28]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA22047 for ; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 15:50:27 +0100 Received: from shelley (p3E9BF89A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [62.155.248.154]) by widukind.bi.teuto.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA30146 for ; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 17:48:58 +0200 Received: from uff411.ucs.de (212.108.202.179) by shelley.ucs.de; Tue, 05 Sep 2000 17:47:35 +0200 Received: from kaskaskia.ucs.de by uff411.ucs.de; Tue, 05 Sep 2000 17:47:36 +0200 Received: from martinv by kaskaskia.ucs.de with local (RemoteNB 1.08beta2) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; 05 Sep 2000 17:47:36 +0200 Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 17:47:36 +0200 From: Martin Vethake To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: D.Pilling has left the building? Message-ID: <60d955f949.martinv@kaskaskia.ucs.de> References: <132835@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <132835@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: U C S User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10 (RemoteNB/1.08beta2) (RISC-OS/3.70) X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.21beta MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Popauth-Info: 968168903 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <132835@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: [snip] > Well I'd be interested to know if there is any sort of open format for DTP > documents at all. For example even something like the Quark equivalent of > OPro DDL would be useful - specific to one program, but open in the sense it > lets others generate documents. > What about GhostScript? (Erm, will I have to duck, or something?). Back in those times that are forgotten I used to have an app on my pizza-box (NeXT) which referred to itself as a PostScript Editor. Blimey, all so-what-ness put aside, it felt mighty swell loading some *.ps file and then go about and change some font, edit text tweak images and such. With some files it didn't offer much but such is PostScript. Now I don't mean OP should be turned into a universal PS editor but decide upon a reasonable syntax and work that. No need to be able to read every piece of PS but if most other apps can make sense of it - fine. I hope I haven't provoked any raving and shouting but this still has me enchanted. Regards -- Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 5 18:43:14 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132848 for opro ; Tue, 05 Sep 100 18:43:13 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968170817:10:19288:14; Tue, 05 Sep 2000 16:20:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1019240; 5 Sep 2000 16:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA22197 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 16:18:41 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA22194 for ; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 16:18:39 +0100 Received: from userad78.uk.uudial.com (62.188.131.121) [62.188.131.121] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13WLPN-0005PU-00; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 17:17:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Adrian John Warrick To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 08:34:03 +0100 Subject: Re: D.Pilling has left the building? Message-ID: <49f928a9e3awarrick@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <132730@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <132730@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 05 Sep, David Pilling wrote: > >From: Adrian John Warrick Errrm, on a slightly > >diferent note, I can recommend a very good database for RiscOS systems.... > > ;-} > Oh I just wrote a database program to handle all this stuff. Beats me > what all the fuss is about (with dbase programs). And there I was thinking you filled in cards and saved them in a card index. Can't think where that idea came from! 8-} Adrian -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ awarrick@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 5 20:27:08 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132860 for opro ; Tue, 05 Sep 100 20:27:06 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968177651:20:12020:19; Tue, 05 Sep 2000 18:14:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2012183; 5 Sep 2000 18:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA22534 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 18:12:54 +0100 Received: from cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.174]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA22531 for ; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 18:12:52 +0100 Received: from modem-73.spotted-trigger.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.41.201] helo=modem-73) by cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 13WNBv-0007IN-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 05 Sep 2000 19:11:27 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 19:11:22 +0100 Subject: Re: D.Pilling has left the building? Message-ID: <49f9630306rayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <49f928a9e3awarrick@argonet.co.uk> References: <132730@pilling.demon.co.uk> <49f928a9e3awarrick@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Adrian John Warrick wrote: > On 05 Sep, David Pilling wrote: > > >From: Adrian John Warrick Errrm, on a > > >slightly diferent note, I can recommend a very good database for > > >RiscOS systems.... > > > ;-} > > Oh I just wrote a database program to handle all this stuff. Beats me > > what all the fuss is about (with dbase programs). > And there I was thinking you filled in cards and saved them in a card > index. Can't think where that idea came from! Maybe the buff envelopes with the typed labels :-) Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 020 8864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 5 21:52:17 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132870 for opro ; Tue, 05 Sep 100 21:51:52 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968182230:10:06218:14; Tue, 05 Sep 2000 19:30:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1125422; 5 Sep 2000 19:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA22764 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 19:29:00 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA22761 for ; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 19:28:59 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13WONY-0007xb-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 19:27:32 +0000 Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 18:52:10 GMT Message-Id: <132856@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: D.Pilling has left the building? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >What about GhostScript? As I understand it PostScript loses information, so you couldn't necessarily preserve frames or their link to their contents. There's been a lot of chat about this over the years. Adobe InDesign was supposed to be able to load and edit PDF (but didn't work out quite as good as that sounds). I wonder what state of the art is in reading PS files. To give one example ISTR that post Acorn demise various people were stuck with Acorn manuals in PS format and wanted to do things with them. The originals were in Framemaker format (yet another Adobe DTP program). So it ends up as kind of an OCR effort, reading the text then trying to work out how it fits together. Probably you'd be on better ground interpreting the PS output of just one program, because it may give clues to the source document. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 5 22:39:21 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132878 for opro ; Tue, 05 Sep 100 22:39:03 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968187582:20:19442:15; Tue, 05 Sep 2000 20:59:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2019399; 5 Sep 2000 20:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA23074 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 20:53:43 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA23071 for ; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 20:53:41 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13WPhX-000COR-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 20:52:16 +0000 Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 20:31:57 GMT Message-Id: <132867@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: D.Pilling has left the building? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Maybe the buff envelopes with the typed labels :-) Well yes so far everything related to my business has been handled on paper. And I did type all the lables for jiffy bags on a typewriter. That developed problems earlier this year, so I use an ink jet now. No eating ones own dog food here... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 6 01:13:24 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132879 for opro ; Wed, 06 Sep 100 01:13:16 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968191387:10:20778:15; Tue, 05 Sep 2000 22:03:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1020550; 5 Sep 2000 22:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA23266 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 22:01:32 +0100 Received: from mserv1a.vianw.co.uk (mserv1a.vianw.co.uk [195.102.240.34]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA23263 for ; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 22:01:30 +0100 Received: from [195.102.204.78] (helo=Caslon.english.co.uk) by mserv1a.vianw.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.10 #63) id 13WQl5-0001UQ-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 23:00:00 +0100 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Tue, 05 Sep 2000 22:53:36 +0100 Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 22:54:11 +0100 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: D.Pilling has left the building? Message-ID: <5a6977f949%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <132856@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > >What about GhostScript? > > As I understand it PostScript loses information, so you couldn't > necessarily preserve frames or their link to their contents. > > There's been a lot of chat about this over the years. Adobe InDesign > was supposed to be able to load and edit PDF (but didn't work out > quite as good as that sounds). > > I wonder what state of the art is in reading PS files. To give one example > ISTR that post Acorn demise various people were stuck with Acorn manuals in > PS format and wanted to do things with them. The originals were in > Framemaker format (yet another Adobe DTP program). > As I understand it, it is possible to have a variety of postscript descriptions that would produce the same bitmap (i.e. RIP) output. Some varieties preserve more information about objects than others, and so some are more editable than others. For example, if text has been reduced to 'curves' then I guess you can forget about editing it. I've seen a lot of confusing discussion of InDesign, so I'm not quite sure exactly where it is now but PDF is indeed going down the route of allowing object hierarchies to be specified within documents. I understand that this is to allow some kind of accommodation with XML. It is possible to use Acrobat + plug-ins as a fully featured PS editor but it is still only suitable for making relatively minor modifications and tweaks. You can do things such as change fonts, edit text, move objects, convert from RGB to CMYK etc which are needed in the pre-press industry. However, a single plug-in would cost more than a complete OvPro. Current PDF formats (and we are up to 1.4 apparently, though the latest version of the Acrobat program only handles 1.3) seem to have provision for optional object hierarchical data to be stored within the document file - so you might be able to produce PDF files which retained frame info. However, I don't see how this could be recovered from a PS file. By the way, was Framemaker originally an Adobe program or did they buy it? David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 6 01:13:37 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132883 for opro ; Wed, 06 Sep 100 01:13:35 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968195474:10:20268:14; Tue, 05 Sep 2000 23:11:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1020146; 5 Sep 2000 23:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA23536 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 22:58:37 +0100 Received: from scooby.lineone.net (doggy.lineone.net [194.75.152.224]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA23533 for ; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 22:58:35 +0100 Received: from tfalbb.tfalbb.freeuk.com (host212-140-37-68.btinternet.com [212.140.37.68]) by scooby.lineone.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA12897 for ; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 23:56:32 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <4.3.0.20000905234507.00a7ae00@pop.freeuk.net> X-Sender: tfalbb@pop.freeuk.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3 Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 23:57:40 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: Dave Subject: QuarkXPress import/export In-Reply-To: <49f940945csclaes@aaug.net> References: <132728@pilling.demon.co.uk> <132728@pilling.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id WAA23534 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id WAB23536 Status: R > > I think on RISC OS, there's no chance. Maybe if there's a Win version= =20 > of OPro > > it would be more important. I guess it would be little different > > to cracking the Impression file format, so could be done. > >Nothing stops them from writing a QuarkXPress->DDL converter themselves. >ICBW but I don't think you can find any documentation about the QuarkXPr= ess >file format (because it is proprietary). Well, I can understand David not wanting to spend the time on doing this = as=20 it would probably have a limited requirement and not repay the time and=20 expense. It was only a thought. However, and didn't you just know there=20 would be one of those. :-) 1: I assume the mention of a Windows version of OP is just an idle commen= t.=20 I have to say that a Windows version could wipe the floor with the=20 competition on features. 2: Personally, I think that Quark and maybe Pagemaker file compatibility = is=20 more important on RISC OS than on Windows. The reason being, that RISC OS= =20 users do not have the opportunity to use Quark or Pagemaker without buyin= g=20 another machine. 3: I think that the file format would be attainable if you joined their=20 developers' scheme. This isn't cheap though, and would up the cost of=20 providing the facility. For my part, I wouldn't baulk at =A330-=A350 for = a good=20 Quark import/export utility. Whether there are enough other users to make= =20 it feasible though, is one question. Whether anyone wants to sit down and= =20 write the converter is another. Cheers Dave -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 6 13:03:29 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132904 for opro ; Wed, 06 Sep 100 13:03:23 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968204651:20:05120:16; Wed, 06 Sep 2000 01:44:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2004933; 6 Sep 2000 1:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA23933 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 01:43:16 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA23928 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 01:43:14 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13WUDl-000Kg0-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 01:41:49 +0000 Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 01:17:24 GMT Message-Id: <132886@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: D.Pilling has left the building? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >By the way, was Framemaker originally an Adobe program or did they buy it? They bought it. They also bought Pagemaker (Aldus?). When I was writing the previous reply I did think to mention that Alternative Publishing (ImageFS) was working on a PostScript editor once upon a time. But I thought maybe it was a secret or no longer going on, well I've just read more or less the contents of the above paragraph on c.s.a. Seemingly work is going on with most of the former staff of RISC OS Ltd. Be interesting to see what it can do, and if it runs on RISC OS. When you think about it a lot of these companies MS, Quark etc. depend on controlling their own file formats. So when Mr. Gates says everything is moving to XML, he probably means that he's told his staff to produce a new file format every week for the forseeable future. So not too sure about their enthusiasm for open file formats. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 6 13:03:32 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132906 for opro ; Wed, 06 Sep 100 13:03:30 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968204659:20:05279:17; Wed, 06 Sep 2000 01:44:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2005251; 6 Sep 2000 1:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA23936 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 01:43:19 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA23932 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 01:43:16 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13WUDn-000Kg0-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 01:41:51 +0000 Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 01:20:18 GMT Message-Id: <132888@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: QuarkXPress import/export X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >1: I assume the mention of a Windows version of OP is just an idle comment. No. It is a distinct possibility now. Why not? I suppose it would be nice to do Be OS or Linux versions, that is possible once I have a platform independent version of the program. But I think the realistic plan would be to have a Win version in say six months. >2: Personally, I think that Quark and maybe Pagemaker file compatibility is >more important on RISC OS than on Windows. The reason being, that RISC OS >users do not have the opportunity to use Quark or Pagemaker without buying >another machine. To an extent, most RISC OS users have by now found a reason to buy a PC, to browse the web or whatever. >3: I think that the file format would be attainable if you joined their >developers' scheme. Well maybe. Although Adobe seem to have reverse engineered the Quark format for InDesign. I don't know how Quark extensions work, but I guess they may depend on the file format. >For my part, I wouldn't baulk at 30-50 a good Quark import/export utility. Its all a mystery to me... how many others would pay that much. You'd need perhaps 500. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 6 13:03:45 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132911 for opro ; Wed, 06 Sep 100 13:03:43 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968225013:20:03562:17; Wed, 06 Sep 2000 07:23:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2112710; 6 Sep 2000 7:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA24667 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 07:03:18 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA24664 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 07:03:16 +0100 Received: from userb651.uk.uudial.com (193.149.83.126) [193.149.83.126] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13WZDO-0001t1-00; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 08:01:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 20:05:01 +0100 Subject: Re: D.Pilling has left the building? Message-ID: <49f967ec9csteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <132730@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <132730@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <132730@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >From: Steven Pampling > >> The famous upgrade is looking like it will launch on 1/10/2000. > >The v2.59 CD version I take it? > 2.60 as it will be, yes. Ah, another slightly modified version in the offing. > >> free, but only if I have their card and know where to send it. > >No card in the Jiffy bag so must refer to the older version. > I could have sworn I saw a card with your name on, when I was looking > for someone else. > If I know the final destination of a copy I fill in the reg card to > save any messing about. Ah, that's were it didn't go :-) Filled in and retained there when you sent out the v 2.59 CD > If you have a serial numuber >= 5000 then you get the final CD for free, > and if you didn't get a reg card with your OPro, then I filled it in for > you. Curiouser, and curiouser: I click on the 2.59 install and the transient splash bit announces my name and (current) address but the serial number it quotes is 01198 - which was the serial number from the original purchase (via beebug) Must have been done at your end since the copy direct off the CD shows the same thing. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 6 13:03:53 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132914 for opro ; Wed, 06 Sep 100 13:03:51 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968226511:20:09362:20; Wed, 06 Sep 2000 07:48:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2122459; 6 Sep 2000 7:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA24827 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 07:43:43 +0100 Received: from saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk (saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk [147.143.102.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA24824 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 07:43:40 +0100 Received: from sees.bangor.ac.uk (nfcrpc7.sees.bangor.ac.uk [147.143.6.182]) by saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA05329 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 08:42:07 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from kerslake@sees.bangor.ac.uk) Message-ID: <39B5F54E.FEDAD726@sees.bangor.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 08:42:06 +0100 From: "John P. Kerslake" Organization: SOI, University of Bangor X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: QuarkXPress import/export References: <132888@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R David Pilling wrote: > > >1: I assume the mention of a Windows version of OP is just an idle comment. > > No. It is a distinct possibility now. Why not? > Snip Will they be able to read each others files? Re the CD after upgrading will my version count as one of yours or still count as a beebug version? -- John Percy Kerslake B.Sc., F.B.I.S., kerslake@sees.bangor.ac.uk Web Page = http://www.sees.bangor.ac.uk/~kerslake/welcome.htm Pager =07626-235878, Work =01248-351151 ext. 2730/3850, Fax 01248-361429 Dyslexia rules K. O. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 6 13:08:34 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132972 for opro ; Wed, 06 Sep 100 13:08:24 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968240803:10:20006:19; Wed, 06 Sep 2000 11:46:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1111177; 6 Sep 2000 11:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA25581 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 11:43:29 +0100 Received: from widukind.bi.teuto.net (IDENT:root@widukind.bi.teuto.net [212.8.197.28]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA25578 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 11:43:27 +0100 Received: from shelley (p3E9BF9D7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [62.155.249.215]) by widukind.bi.teuto.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA11131 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 13:42:01 +0200 Received: from uff411.ucs.de (212.108.202.179) by shelley.ucs.de; Wed, 06 Sep 2000 11:10:19 +0200 Received: from kaskaskia.ucs.de by uff411.ucs.de; Wed, 06 Sep 2000 11:10:16 +0200 Received: from martinv by kaskaskia.ucs.de with local (RemoteNB 1.08beta2) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; 06 Sep 2000 11:10:14 +0200 Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 11:10:14 +0200 From: Martin Vethake To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: QuarkXPress import/export Message-ID: <4e4eb5f949.martinv@kaskaskia.ucs.de> References: <132888@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <132888@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: U C S User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10 (RemoteNB/1.08beta2) (RISC-OS/3.70) X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.21beta MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Popauth-Info: 968240482 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <132888@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > >1: I assume the mention of a Windows version of OP is just an idle comment. > > No. It is a distinct possibility now. Why not? > > I suppose it would be nice to do Be OS or Linux versions, that is possible > once I have a platform independent version of the program. But I think > the realistic plan would be to have a Win version in say six months. > > I figure a Windows version would go down the Xara route. A Be version, *cool*, I'd like that - but don't expect too many sales. A Linux version *way cool*, OP in shiny GTK, what can I say, go ahead. Sales-wise there must be something innit, but things are still a bit different in penguin-land. [snip] Regards -- Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 6 14:24:36 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132983 for opro ; Wed, 06 Sep 100 14:24:29 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 968242629:10:07553:17; Wed, 06 Sep 2000 12:17:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1115416; 6 Sep 2000 12:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA25953 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 12:14:25 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net