From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 1 14:57:31 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA130999 for opro ; Tue, 01 Aug 100 14:57:30 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 965131291:10:15287:15; Tue, 01 Aug 2000 12:01:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1015165; 1 Aug 2000 12:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA03827 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 11:58:01 +0100 Received: from hose.pipex.net (hose.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.58]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA03824 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 11:57:59 +0100 Received: from gtwyxa95@ukgateway.net (user1244.dialdev.pipex.com [193.132.93.244]) by hose.pipex.net (Postfix) with SMTP id E7DED45D3 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 12:56:54 +0100 (BST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 12:55:08 +0100 Subject: Draw borders funny Message-ID: <49e73a4f13rayd@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I've got the Drawfile borders inside OP, but have a problem printing them. They print OK to ArcFax, but not to my postscript printer. Here they just appear as a wide black border, irrespective of what they actually are. The same border dragged into Publisher prints correctly. It also prints correctly from OP as a draw object - just not as a frame. Any ideas? I'm using the Acorn PS2 pdf with my Kyocera. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 020 8864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 1 21:06:09 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA131035 for opro ; Tue, 01 Aug 100 21:06:04 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 965154790:20:27783:15; Tue, 01 Aug 2000 18:33:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2103275; 1 Aug 2000 18:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA04673 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 18:27:32 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA04670 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 18:27:30 +0100 Received: from userbq20.uk.uudial.com (62.188.146.114) [62.188.146.114] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13JgkA-0005eS-00; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 19:26:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Roger Foden) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 18:56:11 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.24 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Re: !Labels applet Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 31 Jul 2000 (21:43:12 +0000), davidb@argonet.co.uk wrote: [snip] > > I renamed !Label after the 1.00 release to become !Labeller so that the > two can co-exist. It is available (like all my applets) from the OP > Resources site http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro. I believe the current > release is 1.01 :-). Anybody got any ideas for enhancements. > Having fiddled with !Label (v 1.00 aka !Labeller) it can be made to work under the name !Labeller by modifying the Library.Labeller file (an OvPScrpt file). Just change all instances of !Label in that file to !Labeller; there are three occurrences, in the // Config file section. Change the application name to !Labeller and BYU - !Label (original Beebug) and !Labeller co-exist in the Applets directory. What I found odd was that David Breakwell's applet, v1.00, though named !Label is referred to as !Labeller within its documentation. Can't remember where mine came from, so it _could_ be some sort of hybrid. Regards Roger -- ___ n_ \ ) (^o\. /^\ Roger & Jacki Foden | | /_ / |___| http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/roger.foden/ / \/ \/ \_ _/ roger.foden@argonet.co.uk __\__\___|o_____//_______ Botanising in Greece? Marengo Publications sarpcsarpcsarpcsarpcsarpc Walking in Greece? Marengo Publications -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Aug 2 13:02:35 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA131058 for opro ; Wed, 02 Aug 100 13:02:32 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 965180393:10:11071:15; Wed, 02 Aug 2000 01:39:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1010991; 2 Aug 2000 1:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA05689 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 01:33:32 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA05686 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 01:33:30 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13JnOU-000CLw-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 01:32:26 +0000 Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 00:55:31 GMT Message-Id: <131055@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Draw borders funny X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R >I've got the Drawfile borders inside OP, but have a problem printing them. >They print OK to ArcFax, but not to my postscript printer. Here they just >appear as a wide black border, irrespective of what they actually are. Well I tried a Draw file border to my PS printer, and it worked. Gets us into which border, and how wide did you print it etc. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Aug 2 14:39:31 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA131074 for opro ; Wed, 02 Aug 100 14:39:29 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 965218871:10:28110:15; Wed, 02 Aug 2000 12:21:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1027877; 2 Aug 2000 12:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA06906 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 12:09:51 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA06902 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 12:09:49 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13JxKH-000EqJ-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 12:08:45 +0000 Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 13:06:14 GMT Message-Id: <131066@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re:Importing DDF files X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >When I drop a file which is file typed 'DDF' onto an Ovation frame I >get the error. >Illegal Address (eg wildly outside of array bounds) >Post mortem requested etc etc. Your version isn't RISC OS 4 compatible. See the notes on OPro RISC OS 4 problems on my web site, download the latest version of it which is OK. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Aug 2 14:39:33 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA131075 for opro ; Wed, 02 Aug 100 14:39:30 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 965218466:20:13112:38; Wed, 02 Aug 2000 12:14:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2013340; 2 Aug 2000 12:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA06905 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 12:09:49 +0100 Received: from bart.callnet0800.com (bart.callnet0800.com [212.67.128.108]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA06657 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 09:51:29 +0100 Received: from smtp.4unet.co.uk [212.67.128.143] by bart.callnet0800.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.05) id AF52F9301EE; Wed, 02 Aug 2000 10:52:18 +0100 Received: from 4unet.co.uk [212.67.144.216] by smtp.4unet.co.uk (SMTPD32-5.05) id AED884FB0100; Wed, 02 Aug 2000 10:50:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Barry E Allen To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 10:49:20 +0100 Subject: Importing DDF files Message-ID: <49e7b2a08ebarry@e-allen.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi Folks, I've tried to use the DDF loader 'TransDDF' Author: John Wallace Date: 1.10 16/03/98 When I drop a file which is file typed 'DDF' onto an Ovation frame I get the error. Illegal Address (eg wildly outside of array bounds) Post mortem requested etc etc. Any thoughts? -- TVM. Barry A. No.1. Be seeing you! Where is No.6? ..... Broughton Park F.C. (Rugby Union) http://www.broughton-park.co.uk E-mail b a r r y @ e - a l l e n . c o . u k -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Aug 2 14:39:40 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA131078 for opro ; Wed, 02 Aug 100 14:39:38 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 965219727:10:17908:16; Wed, 02 Aug 2000 12:35:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1017746; 2 Aug 2000 12:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA07163 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 12:31:43 +0100 Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net (monsoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA07160 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 12:31:41 +0100 Received: (qmail 23948 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2000 12:30:35 -0000 Received: from userau33.uk.uudial.com (HELO gtwywc97@ukgateway.net) (62.188.137.235) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2000 12:30:35 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 11:19:52 +0100 Subject: Re: Draw borders funny Message-ID: <49e7b56c67rayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <131055@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <131055@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro David Pilling wrote: > >I've got the Drawfile borders inside OP, but have a problem printing > >them. They print OK to ArcFax, but not to my postscript printer. Here > >they just appear as a wide black border, irrespective of what they > >actually are. > Well I tried a Draw file border to my PS printer, and it worked. Gets > us into which border, and how wide did you print it etc. Ok, I've just been doing some playing. Any border I think, but the one that it usually happens on is ArtDeco (ie the first in the list) If I set border width 1mm then it prints a 4mm wide black border. If I set border width to 4mm or greater it seems to work Ok. I think the problem is to do with setting a border width less than the draw file needs, although it doesn't seem to print the black border the same width as set, but as wide as the draw file would need. IYSWIM. I must admit that it usually happens to me when I forget that the plain border isn't at the top of the list any more and just set the 1mm border thinking I've got the 'built in' plain border in OP. The first I know about it is when I print out and get the 4mm wide ugly black bars. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 020 8864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Aug 2 16:00:29 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA131090 for opro ; Wed, 02 Aug 100 16:00:20 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 965228178:10:25685:15; Wed, 02 Aug 2000 14:56:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1023943; 2 Aug 2000 14:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA07473 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 14:22:58 +0100 Received: from mserv1b.vianw.co.uk (mserv1b.vianw.co.uk [195.102.240.137]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA07470 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 14:22:56 +0100 Received: from [195.102.204.17] (helo=Caslon.english.co.uk) by mserv1b.vianw.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.10 #63) id 13JzOF-0004fI-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 15:20:59 +0100 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Wed, 02 Aug 2000 15:05:06 +0100 Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 15:05:21 +0100 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Draw borders funny Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <49e7b56c67rayd@argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Ray Dawson wrote: > > I must admit that it usually happens to me when I forget that the plain > border isn't at the top of the list any more and just set the 1mm border > thinking I've got the 'built in' plain border in OP. The first I know > about it is when I print out and get the 4mm wide ugly black bars. By the way, is there any way of ensuring that the plain border appears at the top of the list - it is quite a pain having to scroll down and workout which border it is when you're doing repetitive work. Or is there a way of setting it as the default border? david -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Aug 2 19:00:59 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA131096 for opro ; Wed, 02 Aug 100 19:00:36 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 965234550:20:08627:15; Wed, 02 Aug 2000 16:42:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2007586; 2 Aug 2000 16:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA07859 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 16:40:09 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA07856 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 16:40:07 +0100 Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([158.152.204.98]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13K1Xr-000JVD-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 16:39:03 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 17:37:58 +0100 Subject: Re: Draw borders funny Message-ID: <49e7d80a2bjohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <49e7b56c67rayd@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , David Graddol wrote: > Ray Dawson wrote: > > > > I must admit that it usually happens to me when I forget that the > > plain border isn't at the top of the list any more and just set the > > 1mm border thinking I've got the 'built in' plain border in OP. The > > first I know about it is when I print out and get the 4mm wide ugly > > black bars. > By the way, is there any way of ensuring that the plain border appears > at the top of the list - it is quite a pain having to scroll down and > workout which border it is when you're doing repetitive work. Or is > there a way of setting it as the default border? Change its name to aaaa? -- John Cartmell, Manchester UK Fleur Designs designer products for individuals & education services craft products ~ information products ~ information services ** New Product - Krikos - designer board game for chess players ** -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Aug 2 21:33:41 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA131112 for opro ; Wed, 02 Aug 100 21:33:35 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 965241333:10:24943:17; Wed, 02 Aug 2000 18:35:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1024937; 2 Aug 2000 18:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA08138 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 18:34:37 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA08135 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 18:34:35 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13K3Kc-0006cC-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 18:33:30 +0000 Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 19:29:04 GMT Message-Id: <131109@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Draw borders funny X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >By the way, is there any way of ensuring that the plain border >appears at the top of the list - it is quite a pain having to >scroll down and workout which border it is when you're doing >repetitive work. Or is there a way of setting it as the default >border? Seems to me that quite a useful modification to the program (and one that you can do at home), is to rename !OvnPro.!OvnResDir.Borders.Border as etc. etc. !Border that will make the simple borders appear first in the window. Its a bit of a mess when they are mixed in with any Draw borders. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Aug 2 21:33:45 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA131114 for opro ; Wed, 02 Aug 100 21:33:42 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 965242356:10:16903:22; Wed, 02 Aug 2000 18:52:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1111303; 2 Aug 2000 18:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA08200 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 18:46:43 +0100 Received: from chalfont.mail.uk.easynet.net (chalfont.mail.uk.easynet.net [195.40.1.44]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA08197 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 18:46:41 +0100 Received: from rayd (tnt-20-158.easynet.co.uk [212.134.226.158]) by chalfont.mail.uk.easynet.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 4CF94F8B57 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 19:45:37 +0100 (BST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 17:37:42 +0100 Subject: Re: Draw borders funny Message-ID: <49e7d803b1rayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <49e7b56c67rayd@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro David Graddol wrote: > Ray Dawson wrote: > > > > I must admit that it usually happens to me when I forget that the > > plain border isn't at the top of the list any more and just set the > > 1mm border thinking I've got the 'built in' plain border in OP. The > > first I know about it is when I print out and get the 4mm wide ugly > > black bars. > By the way, is there any way of ensuring that the plain border appears > at the top of the list - it is quite a pain having to scroll down and > workout which border it is when you're doing repetitive work. Or is > there a way of setting it as the default border? I haven't tried it, but putting a ~ at the front of all the Draw file names should put them later in the directory and hopefully after the definitions in the Borders file. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 020 8864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Aug 2 21:33:46 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA131113 for opro ; Wed, 02 Aug 100 21:33:42 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 965243310:20:05507:18; Wed, 02 Aug 2000 19:08:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2127428; 2 Aug 2000 19:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA08324 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 19:06:49 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA08321 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 19:06:47 +0100 Received: from userez87.uk.uudial.com (62.188.19.158) [62.188.19.158] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13K3pm-0003jf-00; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 20:05:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Mijas Software) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 22:23:14 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.24 for RISC OS 4.02 Subject: Re: Draw borders funny Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 1 Aug 2000 (12:55:08 +0100), rayd@argonet.co.uk wrote: > I've got the Drawfile borders inside OP, but have a problem printing > them. > > They print OK to ArcFax, but not to my postscript printer. Here they > just appear as a wide black border, irrespective of what they actually > are. > If you would like to e-mail me a sample I will try in on an HP printer. -- ___ _ __ ___________________________________________ |\/| | | |_| (_ / Scientific/Education/Utilities - RISC OS 4 | | | _| | | __) Software / email: mijassw@argonet.co.uk - Developer ____________________________/ web: http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/mijassw/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Aug 3 01:41:19 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA131119 for opro ; Thu, 03 Aug 100 01:41:17 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 965255207:10:11260:15; Wed, 02 Aug 2000 22:26:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1011218; 2 Aug 2000 22:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA08832 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 22:24:56 +0100 Received: from hose.pipex.net (hose.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.58]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA08829 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 22:24:54 +0100 Received: from gtwywc97@ukgateway.net (userav32.uk.uudial.com [62.188.138.79]) by hose.pipex.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 742864504 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 23:23:50 +0100 (BST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 19:50:41 +0100 Subject: Re: Draw borders funny Message-ID: <49e7e43091rayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <131109@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <131109@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R David Pilling wrote: > Seems to me that quite a useful modification to the program > (and one that you can do at home), is > to rename !OvnPro.!OvnResDir.Borders.Border as > etc. etc. !Border > that will make the simple borders appear first in the window. Its > a bit of a mess when they are mixed in with any Draw borders. That's useful - I thought OP looked for a file called Border and I tried to rename all the others. Is there a way in which borders can be defined in the !Border file? What's the secret of all the numbers and the layout of the lines in the file? Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 020 8864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Aug 3 01:41:21 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA131120 for opro ; Thu, 03 Aug 100 01:41:20 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 965255987:10:27251:15; Wed, 02 Aug 2000 22:39:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1123577; 2 Aug 2000 22:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA08910 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 22:38:17 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA08907 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 22:38:16 +0100 Received: from userev33.uk.uudial.com (62.188.17.216) [62.188.17.216] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13K78N-0003iu-00; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 23:37:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: David Breakwell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 22:27:25 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: !Labels applet Message-ID: <49e7f80843davidb@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <0ac7ede649.colin@cstage.argonet.co.uk> References: <0ac7ede649.colin@cstage.argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <0ac7ede649.colin@cstage.argonet.co.uk>, wrote: > If David Breakwell would think about adding starting from a numbered > label position (for part used sheets) to the !Labeller applet my cup > would truly runneth over :-) This is now available in release 1.02 which should be released shortly :-) David -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | davidb@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Aug 3 13:22:00 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA131125 for opro ; Thu, 03 Aug 100 13:21:57 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 965289975:10:08417:15; Thu, 03 Aug 2000 08:06:15 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1120992; 3 Aug 2000 8:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA09956 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 08:00:54 +0100 Received: from mserv1e.vianw.co.uk (mserv1e.vianw.co.uk [195.102.240.97]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA09953 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 08:00:52 +0100 Received: from [195.102.204.76] (helo=Caslon.english.co.uk) by mserv1e.vianw.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.10 #37) id 13KFut-00003H-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 08:59:47 +0100 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Thu, 03 Aug 2000 08:34:17 +0100 Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 08:35:10 +0100 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Draw borders funny Message-ID: <352e2ae849%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <131109@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > >By the way, is there any way of ensuring that the plain border > >appears at the top of the list - it is quite a pain having to > >scroll down and workout which border it is when you're doing > >repetitive work. Or is there a way of setting it as the default > >border? > > Seems to me that quite a useful modification to the program > (and one that you can do at home), is > to rename !OvnPro.!OvnResDir.Borders.Border as > etc. etc. !Border > > that will make the simple borders appear first in the window. Its > a bit of a mess when they are mixed in with any Draw borders. > Thanks for the tip - I've now done this and it looks as if border life will be less frustrating in future! David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Aug 3 14:31:43 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA131128 for opro ; Thu, 03 Aug 100 14:31:42 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 965305541:20:01849:15; Thu, 03 Aug 2000 12:25:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2110879; 3 Aug 2000 12:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA10504 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 12:23:30 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA10501 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 12:23:28 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13KK11-0004g1-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 12:22:23 +0000 Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 01:43:03 GMT Message-Id: <131123@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Draw borders funny X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >That's useful - I thought OP looked for a file called Border and I tried >to rename all the others. No it just scans the Borders directory. You can have more than one text file defining line borders in there. >Is there a way in which borders can be defined in the !Border file? >What's the secret of all the numbers and the layout of the lines in the >file? See Appendix F in your OPro Reference Guide. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Aug 3 19:36:19 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA131146 for opro ; Thu, 03 Aug 100 19:36:16 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 965327404:20:02445:19; Thu, 03 Aug 2000 18:30:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2001930; 3 Aug 2000 18:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA11220 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 18:23:05 +0100 Received: from typhoon.mail.pipex.net (typhoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA11217 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 18:23:03 +0100 Received: (qmail 5542 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2000 18:21:59 -0000 Received: from userau17.uk.uudial.com (HELO userau17) (62.188.137.219) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2000 18:21:59 -0000 Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 19:17:06 +0100 From: Roger Noble To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: <4af364e849.rgn@aidc61.ukgateway.net> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Subject: Contents etc applets X-Editor: Zap 1.44 (19 May 2000) [TEST 3], ZapEmail 0.25 (30 Jun 2000) test-4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro If anyone needs to contact me about the Contents, Sections, Sequencer or Capital applets I have changed by email address to rgn@ukgateway.net. The old address will still be valid for about another month. Roger -- Roger Noble rgn@ukgateway.net rgn@jb.man.ac.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Aug 3 22:45:18 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA131159 for opro ; Thu, 03 Aug 100 22:45:16 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 965338691:10:13749:15; Thu, 03 Aug 2000 21:38:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1126746; 3 Aug 2000 21:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA11665 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 21:35:10 +0100 Received: from mta3-svc.virgin.net (mta3-svc.virgin.net [194.168.54.144]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA11662 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 21:35:08 +0100 Received: from bernard.hill.virgin.net ([194.168.56.108]) by mta3-svc.virgin.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with SMTP id <20000803213116.MIUR22081.mta3-svc.virgin.net@bernard.hill.virgin.net> for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 22:31:16 +0100 Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 10:53:35 +0100 (BST) From: "Bernard G. Hill" Subject: Re: Draw borders funny To: Ovation Mail In-Reply-To: <49e73a4f13rayd@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 01 Aug, Ray Dawson wrote: > > I've got the Drawfile borders inside OP, but have a problem printing them. > > They print OK to ArcFax, but not to my postscript printer. Here they just > appear as a wide black border, irrespective of what they actually are. > > The same border dragged into Publisher prints correctly. > > It also prints correctly from OP as a draw object - just not as a frame. > > Any ideas? I'm using the Acorn PS2 pdf with my Kyocera. > > Cheers, > > Ray D > No problem here with either PS1 or PS2 on an HP5000. I am still on ROS3.7 but I am using Printers 1.64, but that should not be of any consequence because, as I understand it, the PS drivers have not changed. I see from a reply by David that he has had no trouble either. Is this a Kyocera PS interpreter problem? Bernard -- Bernard G. Hill Tel/Fax: 01633 880197 Zion, Church Road Undy, Caldicot e-mail bernard.hill@virgin.net NP26 3EN -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Aug 3 23:22:37 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA131160 for opro ; Thu, 03 Aug 100 23:22:35 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 965339792:10:14379:15; Thu, 03 Aug 2000 21:56:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1113322; 3 Aug 2000 21:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA11751 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 21:55:38 +0100 Received: from sop.force9.net (sop.plus.net.uk [195.166.128.229]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA11748 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 21:55:36 +0100 Received: (qmail 31886 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2000 21:54:16 -0000 Received: from ruin.servers.plus.net.uk (212.159.2.66) by sop.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 3 Aug 2000 21:54:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 8238 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2000 21:51:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (212.159.20.161) by ruin.servers.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 3 Aug 2000 21:51:10 -0000 Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 22:24:13 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: Border definitions (was Draw borders funny) To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <131123@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Thu 03 Aug, David Pilling wrote: >In response to someone else: > >Is there a way in which borders can be defined in the !Border file? > >What's the secret of all the numbers and the layout of the lines in the > >file? > > See Appendix F in your OPro Reference Guide. > Please can someone take pity on the *non*-programmers and explain in plain english what the various values mean. Looking in Appendix F and at the contents of the file I cannot tell what each line would look like, or how to define extra lines to make different borders. Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Aug 4 13:30:10 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA131166 for opro ; Fri, 04 Aug 100 13:30:05 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 965381103:20:03169:24; Fri, 04 Aug 2000 09:25:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2003203; 4 Aug 2000 9:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA13092 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 09:16:39 +0100 Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net (monsoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA13089 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 09:16:37 +0100 Received: (qmail 13881 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2000 09:15:33 -0000 Received: from userbo18.uk.uudial.com (HELO gtwywc97@ukgateway.net) (62.188.145.168) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2000 09:15:33 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 09:58:35 +0100 Subject: Re: Centering Frames Message-ID: <49e8b5a71crayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Urban Promotions wrote: > Hi > Please > What is the easiest way to align frames? > Eg, One large frame then 3 progressively smaller frames inside > Or just centring 2 frames of different sizes Snap to grid? Menu...Object...Snap to grid. Or Snap to object to align edges of frames. You can change the grid spacing somewhere, but I can't for the life of me remember where. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 020 8864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Aug 4 13:30:20 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA131169 for opro ; Fri, 04 Aug 100 13:30:19 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 965367118:10:09636:16; Fri, 04 Aug 2000 05:31:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1103939; 4 Aug 2000 5:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA12678 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 05:29:39 +0100 Received: from teapot21.domain3.bigpond.com (teapot21.domain3.bigpond.com [139.134.5.159]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id FAA12674 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 05:29:35 +0100 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by teapot21.domain3.bigpond.com (NTMail 3.02.13) with ESMTP id ca054134 for MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Urban Promotions, http://www.users.bigpond.con/urban1 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hi Please What is the easiest way to align frames? Eg, One large frame then 3 progressively smaller frames inside Or just centring 2 frames of different sizes -- Regards - Allan Butler, Urban Promotions, http://www.users.bigpond.com/urban1, urban1@bigpond.com 61 3 9355 7959. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Aug 4 14:05:14 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA131189 for opro ; Fri, 04 Aug 100 14:05:11 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 965394067:20:04163:16; Fri, 04 Aug 2000 13:01:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2003124; 4 Aug 2000 13:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA13575 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 12:53:16 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA13572 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 12:53:15 +0100 Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([158.152.204.98]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13KgxM-000OzK-0V for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 13:52:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 11:18:42 +0100 Subject: Re: Centering Frames Message-ID: <49e8bcfd12john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <49e8b5a71crayd@argonet.co.uk> References: <49e8b5a71crayd@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <49e8b5a71crayd@argonet.co.uk>, Ray Dawson wrote: > Urban Promotions wrote: > > Hi > > Please > > What is the easiest way to align frames? > > Eg, One large frame then 3 progressively smaller frames inside > > Or just centring 2 frames of different sizes > Snap to grid? Menu...Object...Snap to grid. > Or Snap to object to align edges of frames. How will that centre frames? There isn't a snap to centre? I know it's possible to work out - and Ovation is very nice in this respect - but centring frames seems to be omitted as a quick option. -- John Cartmell, Manchester UK Fleur Designs designer products for individuals & education services craft products ~ information products ~ information services ** New Product - Krikos - designer board game for chess players ** -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Aug 4 14:30:26 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA131190 for opro ; Fri, 04 Aug 100 14:30:24 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 965394465:20:13216:19; Fri, 04 Aug 2000 13:07:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2013060; 4 Aug 2000 13:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA13679 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 13:06:43 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA13676 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 13:06:41 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13KhAP-0001xb-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 13:05:37 +0000 Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 13:34:59 GMT Message-Id: <131175@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Centering Frames X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >What is the easiest way to align frames? The arrange applet may be what you need. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Aug 4 14:30:26 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA131191 for opro ; Fri, 04 Aug 100 14:30:24 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 965394369:10:25892:15; Fri, 04 Aug 2000 13:06:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1107172; 4 Aug 2000 13:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA13651 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 13:05:05 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA13648 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 13:05:03 +0100 Received: from mcfamily.demon.co.uk ([194.222.77.216]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13Kh8q-000JQS-0Y for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 14:04:00 +0100 Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 13:52:47 +0100 From: Andy McMullon To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Thesaurus Message-ID: <4118cbe849.andy@andymcmullon.redhotant.com> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Has anyone got a seriously extended datafile of words for Thesaurus? -- skypilot@bigfoot.com / andy@mcfamily.demon.co.uk Bader Bike Challange Jordan 2000 - Email me for details! Sponsors needed - Charity for the Disabled - Win a bike for a quid! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Aug 4 19:02:25 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA131195 for opro ; Fri, 04 Aug 100 19:02:16 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 965396803:20:03291:15; Fri, 04 Aug 2000 13:46:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2002272; 4 Aug 2000 13:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA13955 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 13:44:36 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA13952 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 13:44:34 +0100 Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([158.152.204.98]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13Khkz-000Cbt-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 13:43:26 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 14:42:20 +0100 Subject: Re: Centering Frames Message-ID: <49e8cfa1a5john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <131175@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <131175@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <131175@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >What is the easiest way to align frames? > The arrange applet may be what you need. Which I have loaded on my copy of Ovation and, so far as I can remember, have never used. AAaarghh! Thanks David. -- John Cartmell, Manchester UK Fleur Designs designer products for individuals & education services craft products ~ information products ~ information services ** New Product - Krikos - designer board game for chess players ** -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Aug 4 21:18:52 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA131210 for opro ; Fri, 04 Aug 100 21:18:51 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 965414516:10:12932:18; Fri, 04 Aug 2000 18:41:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1012916; 4 Aug 2000 18:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA14586 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 18:39:08 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA14583 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 18:39:06 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13KmM6-00062U-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 18:38:02 +0000 Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 19:27:13 GMT Message-Id: <131208@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Thesaurus X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Has anyone got a seriously extended datafile of words for Thesaurus? The Beebug data was compiled by Roger Amos, a familiar name if you read books about electronics. I suppose one could compile the Roget data that comes with WordHound, but then you might as well just use WordHound. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 8 01:53:44 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA131244 for opro ; Tue, 08 Aug 100 01:53:41 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 965495902:10:05968:15; Sat, 05 Aug 2000 17:18:22 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1005764; 5 Aug 2000 17:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA16900 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 17:12:16 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA16897 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 17:12:14 +0100 Received: from userar47.uk.uudial.com (62.188.136.206) [62.188.136.206] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13L7TY-0005Zz-00; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 18:11:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Roger Foden) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 17:13:25 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.24 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Re: Draw borders funny Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Wed 2 Aug 2000 (19:50:41 +0100), rayd@argonet.co.uk wrote: > > Is there a way in which borders can be defined in the !Border file? > What's the secret of all the numbers and the layout of the lines in the > file? > Page 256 in my user manual: The syntax of the Line command is: Line where n is the number of the line style (an arbitrary number) pattern is a word whose bit pattern defines the line pattern (eg FF is 11111111, CC is 11001100, etc. It seems to have to be an eight digit hex number.) size is the size in 1/1000pt at which the pattern is plotted (lengthwise) join is the line join style; 0=mitre, 1=round, 2=bevelled Border defines an actual border which is made from lines defined as above Border name is the name of the border definition is a string that defines the lines and gaps in a border; a number in the string refers to a line style number and an underline represents a gap. For example: Border Sample 11_3 The border named Sample consists of two lines of style 1 and one of style 6, with a gap between, plotted from the outside inwards. The thickness of the border is defined by the value specified in the Border Dialogue box. The dotted borders are a pain as they rarely fit properly. Regards Roger -- ___ n_ \ ) (^o\. /^\ Roger & Jacki Foden | | /_ / |___| http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/roger.foden/ / \/ \/ \_ _/ roger.foden@argonet.co.uk __\__\___|o_____//_______ Botanising in Greece? Marengo Publications sarpcsarpcsarpcsarpcsarpc Walking in Greece? Marengo Publications -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 8 14:48:11 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA131319 for opro ; Tue, 08 Aug 100 14:48:06 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 965703113:10:05149:16; Tue, 08 Aug 2000 02:51:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1107010; 8 Aug 2000 2:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA22980 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 02:32:02 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA22976 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 02:31:57 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13LzAF-0005C5-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 02:30:47 +0000 Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 03:20:38 GMT Message-Id: <131314@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Draw borders funny X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I am printing a CD label which has a JPEG (162Kb) as a background. The >Ovation Pro file is 221Kb. I am using an Epson Stylus Colour 660. >If I try to print at 1440/720 dpi(MicroWeave), 720 dpi (Super) or 720 dpi >(Super, MicroWeave) Ovation Pro tells me I don't have enough memory. There is a bug, in 2.58 etc. which has this effect. It is fixed in 2.59. You could download the demo of 2.59 and try it if you wanted. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 8 14:48:42 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA131322 for opro ; Tue, 08 Aug 100 14:48:38 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 965703127:20:10590:15; Tue, 08 Aug 2000 02:52:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2126269; 8 Aug 2000 2:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA22983 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 02:32:04 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA21373 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 11:36:37 +0100 Received: from thequary.demon.co.uk ([158.152.10.35]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13LlBt-0008wz-0V for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 12:35:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Bob Howarth To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 12:30:35 +0100 Subject: Ovation Pro printing problem Message-ID: <49ea4f13bcbob@thequary.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.02a (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi I wonder if any of you out there have come across the problem I am having at the moment trying to print from Ovation Pro. I am printing a CD label which has a JPEG (162Kb) as a background. The Ovation Pro file is 221Kb. I am using an Epson Stylus Colour 660. If I try to print at 1440/720 dpi(MicroWeave), 720 dpi (Super) or 720 dpi (Super, MicroWeave) Ovation Pro tells me I don't have enough memory. I have an 82Mb SARPC and at the time I was trying to print I had 68Mb of free memory. Surely this should be enough! I tried setting the printer driver to print to file but this also failed due to lack of memory. I was able to print at 360 dpi (Best, MicroWeave). I am using: 82Mb Strong Arm Risc PC RISC OS 3.7 Printers 1.53 StyCol600 printer def file (15th May '97) Any suggestions gratefully received. Regards Bob H. -- Bob Howarth In the heart of Sherwood Forest E-Fax 0870 167 0308 or Heart Matters Group Kings Mill Group ... Beam me up, Scotty, This planet sucks! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 8 23:10:32 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA131360 for opro ; Tue, 08 Aug 100 23:10:30 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 965769936:20:17827:17; Tue, 08 Aug 2000 21:25:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2129661; 8 Aug 2000 21:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA25148 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 21:18:06 +0100 Received: from mail12.svr.pol.co.uk (mail12.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.215]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA25145 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 21:18:04 +0100 Received: from modem-244.georgia.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.61.244] helo=orchard-way) by mail12.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 13MGk8-0005Ab-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 08 Aug 2000 22:17:01 +0100 Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 22:16:15 +0100 From: Alan Adams To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ovation Pro printing problem Message-ID: <1e8808eb49.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> References: <49ea4f13bcbob@thequary.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <49ea4f13bcbob@thequary.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10 (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <49ea4f13bcbob@thequary.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > Hi > > I wonder if any of you out there have come across the > problem I am having at the moment trying to print from Ovation Pro. > > I am printing a CD label which has a JPEG (162Kb) as a background. The > Ovation Pro file is 221Kb. I am using an Epson Stylus Colour 660. > > If I try to print at 1440/720 dpi(MicroWeave), 720 dpi (Super) or 720 dpi > (Super, MicroWeave) Ovation Pro tells me I don't have enough memory. I > have an 82Mb SARPC and at the time I was trying to print I had 68Mb of > free memory. Surely this should be enough! I tried setting the printer > driver to print to file but this also failed due to lack of memory. I was > able to print at 360 dpi (Best, MicroWeave). > > I am using: > > 82Mb Strong Arm Risc PC > RISC OS 3.7 > Printers 1.53 > StyCol600 printer def file (15th May '97) > > Any suggestions gratefully received. At a guess, Menu on the Opro iconbar icon, choices. Click the Print button, increase the print memory setting. -- Alan Adams alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.freeserve.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Aug 9 16:57:55 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA131388 for opro ; Wed, 09 Aug 100 16:57:53 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 965833728:10:13423:20; Wed, 09 Aug 2000 15:08:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1013838; 9 Aug 2000 15:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA00162 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 14:59:32 +0100 Received: from mail11.svr.pol.co.uk (mail11.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.23]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA00159 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 14:59:19 +0100 Received: from modem-52.cerium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.48.180] helo=jaggies.freeserve.co.uk) by mail11.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 13MXIo-0007LQ-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 09 Aug 2000 15:57:54 +0100 Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 15:52:15 +0100 From: Brian Howlett Message-ID: <2e3669eb49.BHowlett@jaggies.freeserve.co.uk> X-Organization: The Terry Wogan Home for the Bewildered User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 X-Computer: Acorn RiscPC SA-110 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Impression DDF import X-Editor: Zap 1.43 (29 Oct 1999) ds-11, ZapEmail 0.24 (26 Aug 1999) patch-9 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I've recently upgraded from OPro 2.52 to 2.58, but the problem I had hoped would be resolved still occurs - I can't get it to import Impression DDF files. The version of TransDDF I have is 1.09 24/02/98, and I have it in the AutoRun directory within !OvnPro. What happens is that I save text with styles from version 4.13 of Impression Publisher. If I just drag it into an OPro frame, the whole file is displayed with all the formatting commands, etc. If I set the file type to &707, and drag it in to an OPro frame, I get a Postmortem illegal address error window opening. If I uncomment the line in TransDDF.Run (|Set FFGServer$TransDDFa -T &FFF &B25 -R TransDDF$Dir) I get the same error, even if I set the file type back to Text. I've tried saving from Impression with "Save DDF in version 2.1 format" both ticked and unticked, but it makes no difference. I know that the new version of OPro will have direct Impression import - this was what sold it to me at Wakefield after all - but I have some Impression format document templates I need to use, and as I am trying to get my head around the differences I really would like to have a relatively simple method of converting these documents without having to duplicate a lot of the effort that went in to their original making. In case it makes a difference, I am using RISC OS 4.02 on a StrongARM RiscPC, with 32+16+2MB RAM. If anyone has this sorted, or if there is a later version of !TransDDF, can you please let me know? Thanks... -- Brian Howlett ----------------------------------------- ..sig ROT13'd twice, for extra security... -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Aug 9 19:35:39 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA131391 for opro ; Wed, 09 Aug 100 19:35:34 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 965841363:10:18601:23; Wed, 09 Aug 2000 17:16:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1111814; 9 Aug 2000 17:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA00517 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 17:15:08 +0100 Received: from mail2.svr.pol.co.uk (mail2.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.210]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA00514 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 17:15:06 +0100 Received: from modem-28.amarie.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.104.28] helo=freeserve.co.uk) by mail2.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 13MZQB-0005d2-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 09 Aug 2000 18:13:40 +0100 Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 18:04:00 +0100 (BST) From: Malcolm Wells Subject: SPELL CHECKER PROBLEM To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Malcolm Wells X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R The spell checker on my Ovation Pro v 2.58 is not working. It always states "no spelling errors!" even when there are. Can antbody help me, please? -- Malcolm Wells -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Aug 9 19:35:40 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA131392 for opro ; Wed, 09 Aug 100 19:35:34 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 965841468:20:18068:16; Wed, 09 Aug 2000 17:17:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2017818; 9 Aug 2000 17:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA00559 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 17:17:29 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA00556 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 17:17:27 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13MZST-0003QP-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 17:16:01 +0000 Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 18:11:52 GMT Message-Id: <131389@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Impression DDF import X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >hoped would be resolved still occurs - I can't get it to import >Impression DDF files. The version of TransDDF I have is 1.09 24/02/98, >and I have it in the AutoRun directory within !OvnPro. You need to get the latest version of TransDDF off my web site. The one you have is crashing because it is not compatible with RISC OS 4. Don't put anything in the Autorun directory other than script files. I'm sorry but I stuck with the Beebug release of 2.52 on discs, and the new one is a bit delayed. However I think we're real close to allowing access to it over the 'net. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Aug 10 02:44:10 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA131431 for opro ; Thu, 10 Aug 100 02:43:54 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 965871312:10:17959:15; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 01:35:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1017888; 10 Aug 2000 1:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA01592 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 01:32:29 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA01589 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 01:32:27 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13MhBV-000EHg-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 01:31:01 +0000 Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 22:16:13 GMT Message-Id: <131413@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: SPELL CHECKER PROBLEM X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >The spell checker on my Ovation Pro v 2.58 is not working. >It always states "no spelling errors!" even when there are. Sounds like it might not be checking the text story that you think it is. Does view->options->spelling errors (which displays a red underline) display the same indifference to your typographical errors? David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Aug 10 03:00:26 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA131433 for opro ; Thu, 10 Aug 100 03:00:25 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 965872624:20:10918:17; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 01:57:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2123482; 10 Aug 2000 1:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA01728 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 01:56:36 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA01724 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 01:56:32 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13MhYp-000Ftz-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 01:55:07 +0000 Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 02:32:13 GMT Message-Id: <131425@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Impression DDF import X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, >I've been advised to put !TransDDF etc in !Boot.Resources - is that >correct? Yes, thats a reasonable place. >Are the script files you refer to the ones typed &B24 ? Yes. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Aug 10 03:00:30 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA131434 for opro ; Thu, 10 Aug 100 03:00:27 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 965872627:20:10958:18; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 01:57:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2123464; 10 Aug 2000 1:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA01726 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 01:56:33 +0100 Received: from cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.172]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA01358 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 23:22:03 +0100 Received: from modem-23.benadryl.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.82.23] helo=modem-23) by cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 13Mf9I-0008I1-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 00:20:37 +0100 Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 00:11:15 +0100 From: Brian Howlett To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Impression DDF import Message-ID: References: <131389@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <131389@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: The Terry Wogan Home for the Bewildered User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 X-Computer: Acorn RiscPC SA-110 X-Editor: Zap 1.43 (29 Oct 1999) ds-11, ZapEmail 0.24 (26 Aug 1999) patch-9 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: [snip] > You need to get the latest version of TransDDF off my web site. The > one you have is crashing because it is not compatible with RISC OS 4. I've been sent a copy, but I can't get the archive to unpack, so I'll go get it... > > Don't put anything in the Autorun directory other than script files. I've been advised to put !TransDDF etc in !Boot.Resources - is that correct? Are the script files you refer to the ones typed &B24 ? > > I'm sorry but I stuck with the Beebug release of 2.52 on discs, and > the new one is a bit delayed. However I think we're real close to > allowing access to it over the 'net. > Can't wait... ;-) -- Brian Howlett ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "A man with a briefcase can steal more money than any man with a gun"... - Don Henley -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Aug 10 13:12:16 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA131438 for opro ; Thu, 10 Aug 100 13:12:14 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 965888384:10:05946:16; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 06:19:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1005926; 10 Aug 2000 6:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA02364 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 06:18:37 +0100 Received: from teapot21.domain3.bigpond.com (teapot21.domain3.bigpond.com [139.134.5.159]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA02361 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 06:18:27 +0100 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by teapot21.domain3.bigpond.com (NTMail 3.02.13) with ESMTP id fa282105 for MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Urban Promotions, http://www.users.bigpond.con/urban1 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi All Is there any way to put an image into a frame and stop it from slightly overflowing the frame Ie The edge of the image is cropped slightly and I then have to scale a % or so, then centre. If I increase the inset the image still gets cropped to the inset -- Regards - Allan Butler, Urban Promotions, http://www.users.bigpond.com/urban1, urban1@bigpond.com 61 3 9355 7959. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Aug 10 18:36:38 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA131462 for opro ; Thu, 10 Aug 100 18:36:34 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 965926271:10:18762:15; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 16:51:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1018117; 10 Aug 2000 16:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA03588 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 16:45:13 +0100 Received: from cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.174]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA03585 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 16:45:10 +0100 Received: from modem-33.manganese.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.24.33] helo=jaggies.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 13MvQm-0002XP-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 17:43:45 +0100 Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 15:15:28 +0100 From: Brian Howlett To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Impression DDF import Message-ID: <54aee9eb49.BHowlett@jaggies.freeserve.co.uk> References: <131425@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <131425@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: The Terry Wogan Home for the Bewildered User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 X-Computer: Acorn RiscPC SA-110 X-Editor: Zap 1.43 (29 Oct 1999) ds-11, ZapEmail 0.24 (26 Aug 1999) patch-9 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > Hi, > >> I've been advised to put !TransDDF etc in !Boot.Resources - is that >> correct? > > Yes, thats a reasonable place. > >> Are the script files you refer to the ones typed &B24 ? > > Yes. > Thanks to David and others who replied. I now have it working as it should. -- Brian Howlett ------------------------------------------------- Watch out... ...you might get what you're after... -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Aug 11 01:42:17 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA131481 for opro ; Fri, 11 Aug 100 01:42:15 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 965944858:20:25657:21; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 22:00:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2025462; 10 Aug 2000 22:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA04246 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 21:58:57 +0100 Received: from cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.173]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA04243 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 21:58:55 +0100 Received: from modem-120.amrod.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.105.248] helo=freeserve.co.uk) by cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 13N0KQ-0006gj-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 22:57:30 +0100 Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 22:44:01 +0100 (BST) From: Malcolm Wells Subject: Re: SPELL CHECKER PROBLEM To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Malcolm Wells X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 09 Aug, Malcolm Wells wrote: > The spell checker on my Ovation Pro v 2.58 is not working. > > It always states "no spelling errors!" even when there are. > > Can antbody help me, please? It's OK I solved it myself. I had the Ignore Capitals selected. Once I deselected this it worked. What a dummy! -- Malcolm Wells -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Aug 11 13:53:03 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA131495 for opro ; Fri, 11 Aug 100 13:52:59 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 965962632:20:09837:15; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 02:57:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2108031; 11 Aug 2000 2:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA04929 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 02:54:06 +0100 Received: from brainy.kiwilink.co.nz (oldbrainy.kiwilink.co.nz [203.98.52.1] (may be forged)) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA04926 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 02:53:56 +0100 Received: from timk.kiwilink.co.nz (ppp-09.kiwilink.co.nz [202.27.215.75]) by brainy.kiwilink.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA01695 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 14:49:22 +1200 (NZST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tim King To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 14:47:48 +1200 Subject: Info Palette Message-ID: <49ec2e8eeetim@de-sig.co.nz> In-Reply-To: <49b6419c88C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> References: <49b6419c88C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02a (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I've got the InfoPal and Toolbox templates set to 'Stay on screen'. Is it possible to get the Info palette to sit just above the bottom slider bar and connect (vertically) to it? A l'ArtWorks. When the window's toggled to full screen and it's below the bar, what shows of the icon bar is hideously distracting. Having to search for values rather defeats the purpose. I can get it to stay just below the button bar at the top, though at zooms less than about 140% it obscures the top line. Tim -- Tim King... de-Sig. +64 9 478.3114 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Aug 11 17:57:05 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA131518 for opro ; Fri, 11 Aug 100 17:57:04 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 966003314:20:12107:27; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 14:15:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2012120; 11 Aug 2000 14:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA06323 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 14:10:53 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA06320 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 14:10:51 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13NFUy-00062W-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 14:09:24 +0000 Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 14:30:56 GMT Message-Id: <131514@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Info Palette X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, >I've got the InfoPal and Toolbox templates set to 'Stay on screen'. Is >it possible to get the Info palette to sit just above the bottom >slider bar and connect (vertically) to it? A l'ArtWorks. I suppose if you've changed the templates file then anything can happen. This is a hairy area and the settings are what I found was for the best. In general you should be able to position the info palette above the window bottom scroll bar and it remain there as the window is resized or moved - a quick check, that seems to work for me. Probably there's room for improvement. I'm only trying to summarise the current situation above. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Aug 12 01:50:21 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA131535 for opro ; Sat, 12 Aug 100 01:50:19 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 966037552:20:18455:19; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 23:45:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2017452; 11 Aug 2000 23:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA07369 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 23:40:30 +0100 Received: from mail.wave.co.nz (IDENT:root@[202.49.46.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA07366 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 23:40:26 +0100 Received: from albion (p94.hn2.wave.co.nz [203.96.192.222]) by mail.wave.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA31180 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 11:38:42 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Keith Hopper To: Ovation ML Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 11:37:32 +1200 Subject: Palette Menus/Windows Message-ID: <49eca0f99ekh@waikato.ac.nz> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Greetings, I may be a little behind here, but the one thing which I have always wanted to do with things like the colour palette and style palette windows is to set up an initial position (when a document is loaded relative to the main document window - and have them maintain that relative position. Seeing a couple of messages about the info palette I have this suspicion that there may be some suitable incantation of which I am unaware. Can anyone help please? Regards Keith -- City Desk Waikato University [PGP key available if desired] -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Aug 12 14:37:11 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA131563 for opro ; Sat, 12 Aug 100 14:37:09 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 966084459:20:20765:16; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 12:47:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2115153; 12 Aug 2000 12:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA08757 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 12:45:24 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38] (may be forged)) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA08754 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 12:45:23 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13Nadl-0000pi-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 12:43:53 +0000 Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 02:01:22 GMT Message-Id: <131542@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Palette Menus/Windows X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > I may be a little behind here, but the one thing which I have always >wanted to do with things like the colour palette and style palette windows >is to set up an initial position (when a document is loaded relative to the >main document window - and have them maintain that relative position. I think those applets can't work in that way, although they could be modified to do so. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Aug 12 14:37:15 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA131564 for opro ; Sat, 12 Aug 100 14:37:12 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 966084538:20:21725:16; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 12:48:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2117681; 12 Aug 2000 12:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA08804 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 12:48:18 +0100 Received: from cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.172]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA08801 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 12:48:16 +0100 Received: from modem-96.zirconium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.35.224] helo=jaggies.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 13Nagc-00041V-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 13:46:50 +0100 Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 02:59:06 +0100 From: Brian Howlett Message-ID: X-Organization: The Terry Wogan Home for the Bewildered User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 X-Computer: Acorn RiscPC SA-110 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: !TransRTF X-Editor: Zap 1.43 (29 Oct 1999) ds-11, ZapEmail 0.24 (26 Aug 1999) patch-9 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Is there a later version of !TransRTF than 1.83 (Mon 03rd May 1997)? This is the version I have, and appears to be the same as the version on David Pilling's web site. I haven't tried importing RTF in to OPro before, and in order to test the functionality I saved a RTF file from EasiWriterPRO+ in RTF to see if I could import it into OPro, but it barfed at the file, giving a post mortem error, similar to the problem I was having with !TransDDF (now thankfully fixed). -- Brian Howlett ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "A man with a briefcase can steal more money than any man with a gun"... - Don Henley -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Aug 12 16:42:06 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA131578 for opro ; Sat, 12 Aug 100 16:42:05 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 966094147:10:28214:20; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 15:29:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1028138; 12 Aug 2000 15:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA09256 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 15:26:35 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA09253 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 15:26:33 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13Nd9n-000CIB-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 15:25:08 +0000 Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 14:47:08 GMT Message-Id: <131570@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: !TransRTF X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Is there a later version of !TransRTF than 1.83 (Mon 03rd May 1997)? >This is the version I have, and appears to be the same as the version on >David Pilling's web site. I haven't tried importing RTF in to OPro >before, and in order to test the functionality I saved a RTF file from >EasiWriterPRO+ in RTF to see if I could import it into OPro, but it >barfed at the file, giving a post mortem error, similar to the problem I >was having with !TransDDF (now thankfully fixed). Yes, and no. You probably should read the document on the web site about RISC OS 4 problems. The trouble with all the transloaders is that a common component won't work on RISC OS 4, this is not the actual conversion code but a bit of ticky tacky that lets it work. The versions on the web site have had this changed (without any change in version number unless the actual conversion code has changed), or you can download the fixed bit of code and stick it in all your transloaders. Quick fix, copy !TransDDF.!Server into !TransRTF.!Server. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 15 18:27:27 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA131592 for opro ; Tue, 15 Aug 100 18:27:24 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 966145603:11:03028:15; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 05:46:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1103007; 13 Aug 2000 5:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA10964 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 05:45:29 +0100 Received: from brainy.kiwilink.co.nz (oldbrainy.kiwilink.co.nz [203.98.52.1] (may be forged)) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA10961 for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 05:45:24 +0100 Received: from timk.kiwilink.co.nz (ppp-26.kiwilink.co.nz [202.27.215.92]) by brainy.kiwilink.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA09437 for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 17:40:55 +1200 (NZST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tim King To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 13:08:22 +1200 Subject: Re: Info Palette Message-ID: <49ed2d205dtim@de-sig.co.nz> In-Reply-To: <131514@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <131514@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02a (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <131514@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > In general you should be able to position the info palette above the > window bottom scroll bar and it remain there as the window is > resized or moved - a quick check, that seems to work for me. Me too, and if I turn off 'keep on screen' in the templates file it even does it when I resize the window from the resize button rather than by just dragging the window. But what's never worked for me is storing that position when I save the doc as default. Then the palette opens over the *top* of the slider bar. It's not so important. You've got better things to do ;-) It works at the top under the button bar. thanks: Tim -- Tim King... de-Sig. +64 9 478.3114 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 15 18:27:40 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA131595 for opro ; Tue, 15 Aug 100 18:27:35 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 966129889:20:28448:15; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 01:24:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2028205; 13 Aug 2000 1:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA10391 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 01:21:03 +0100 Received: from mail1.svr.pol.co.uk (mail1.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.18]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA10388 for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 01:21:00 +0100 Received: from modem-66.yttrium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.35.66] helo=jaggies.freeserve.co.uk) by mail1.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 13NmR5-00037M-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 02:19:35 +0100 Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 00:40:51 +0100 From: Brian Howlett To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: !TransRTF Message-ID: <861d25ed49.BHowlett@jaggies.freeserve.co.uk> References: <131570@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <131570@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: The Terry Wogan Home for the Bewildered User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 X-Computer: Acorn RiscPC SA-110 X-Editor: Zap 1.43 (29 Oct 1999) ds-11, ZapEmail 0.24 (26 Aug 1999) patch-9 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > >> Is there a later version of !TransRTF than 1.83 (Mon 03rd May 1997)? [snip] > > Yes, and no. You probably should read the document on the web site > about RISC OS 4 problems. Missed that, somehow... > > The trouble with all the transloaders is that a common component won't > work on RISC OS 4, this is not the actual conversion code but a bit of > ticky tacky that lets it work. > > The versions on the web site have had this changed (without any change > in version number unless the actual conversion code has changed), or > you can download the fixed bit of code and stick it in all your > transloaders. > > Quick fix, copy !TransDDF.!Server into !TransRTF.!Server. That does the trick. Thanks! -- Brian Howlett ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "Are you the Prime Minister?" "No, but I've often been mistaken." "What, for the Prime Minister?" "No. I've just often been mistaken..." -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 15 18:28:40 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA131611 for opro ; Tue, 15 Aug 100 18:28:37 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 966286767:11:16761:41; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 20:59:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1116697; 14 Aug 2000 20:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA15062 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 20:53:56 +0100 Received: from cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.171]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA15059 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 20:53:54 +0100 Received: from modem-98.chromium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.23.98] helo=beeston12) by cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 13ORDf-0004Bc-00; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 21:52:28 +0100 Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 21:54:50 +0100 From: Robin Phillips To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Cc: matthew.phillips@christ-church.oxford.ac.uk Subject: Two awkward problems Message-ID: <72961dee49%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> X-Organization: home X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m User-Agent: POPstar/2.01b12 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Dear colleagues, Can anyone help me with two little problems? 1) Every few months I have to edit a text file sent to me, produced by several rather inconsistent typists! Between one sentence and the next there is often a double-space, but sometimes a single! What I want to do is to use F4 Search, to search for every double-space in turn, showing me where they are in the text, and leaving them if they are between sentences. Otherwise I confirm if they are to be replaced by a single. The trouble is that after 2 or 3 pages of searching something goes wrong. I get a situation where the Search box reports it HAS found the next occurrence, but I cannot see the black highlighting. Possibly it is two pages lower down and the screen has not scrolled up. But on some occasions it seems totally invisible, and I don't know where it has got to. 2) The other problem relates to dropped initials for a paragraph. I have a style set for this. Usually it looks very good. But if the para happens to start with a single opening quote (Alt-144) it refuses of course to apply the large initial letter. I can get it only by deleting the quote. How can I fix this letter and re-insert the opening quote? I look forward to your help! Yours sincerely, Robin. -- Robin Phillips, 1, Newcastle Avenue, Beeston, Notts., NG9 1BT; Phone: +44 (0)115 922 4930 E-mail: rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 15 18:28:48 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA131612 for opro ; Tue, 15 Aug 100 18:28:43 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 966288345:10:27152:46; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 21:25:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1026799; 14 Aug 2000 21:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA15193 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 21:23:17 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA15190 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 21:23:16 +0100 Received: from mackinlay.demon.co.uk ([194.222.101.118]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13ORg5-000DYR-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 21:21:49 +0000 Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 21:41:34 +0100 (BST) From: Colin Mackinlay Subject: Re: !TransRTF To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <861d25ed49.BHowlett@jaggies.freeserve.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: cmk X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Sun 13 Aug, Brian Howlett wrote: > opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > > >> Is there a later version of !TransRTF than 1.83 (Mon 03rd May 1997)? > [snip] > > > > Yes, and no. You probably should read the document on the web site > > about RISC OS 4 problems. > > Missed that, somehow... > > > > The trouble with all the transloaders is that a common component won't > > work on RISC OS 4, this is not the actual conversion code but a bit of > > ticky tacky that lets it work. > > > > The versions on the web site have had this changed (without any change > > in version number unless the actual conversion code has changed), or > > you can download the fixed bit of code and stick it in all your > > transloaders. > > > > Quick fix, copy !TransDDF.!Server into !TransRTF.!Server. > > That does the trick. Thanks! My latest installation doesn't have these and I can't remember where to put them! Having downloaded transRTF and others should they be applets, library or autorun (or something else entirely!)? Colin -- Colin Mackinlay -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 15 18:29:07 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA131617 for opro ; Tue, 15 Aug 100 18:29:05 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 966326074:20:16106:18; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 07:54:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2114473; 15 Aug 2000 7:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA16420 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 07:51:17 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA16417 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 07:51:15 +0100 Received: from usern475.uk.uudial.com (193.149.84.254) [193.149.84.254] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13ObTo-0001EL-00; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 08:49:49 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 08:50:07 +0100 Subject: Re: !TransRTF Message-ID: <49ee5994b3steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <861d25ed49.BHowlett@jaggies.freeserve.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Colin Mackinlay wrote: > In on Sun 13 Aug, Brian Howlett wrote: > My latest installation doesn't have these and I can't remember where to > put them! Having downloaded transRTF and others should they be applets, > library or autorun (or something else entirely!)? Somewhere else entirely. How does in your boot structure, or any directory looked at by your boot sound? -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 15 18:29:25 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA131622 for opro ; Tue, 15 Aug 100 18:29:22 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 966328642:10:01502:46; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 08:37:22 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1000932; 15 Aug 2000 8:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA16588 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 08:35:31 +0100 Received: from mserv1d.vianw.co.uk (mserv1d.vianw.co.uk [195.102.240.96]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA16585 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 08:35:29 +0100 Received: from [195.102.196.174] (helo=Caslon.english.co.uk) by mserv1d.vianw.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.10 #36) id 13OcAd-0000Dp-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 09:34:03 +0100 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 09:08:12 +0100 Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 09:07:57 +0100 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Two awkward problems Message-ID: <6f365bee49%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <72961dee49%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Robin Phillips wrote: > Dear colleagues, > > Can anyone help me with two little problems? > > 1) Every few months I have to edit a text file sent to me, produced by > several rather inconsistent typists! Between one sentence and the next there > is often a double-space, but sometimes a single! What I want to do is to use > F4 Search, to search for every double-space in turn, showing me where they > are in the text, and leaving them if they are between sentences. Otherwise I > confirm if they are to be replaced by a single. > I'm tempted to say that you should perhaps NOT be leaving double spaces between sentences. It is not regarded as good typographic or DTP practice but is a secretarial practice associated with typescript. So a simple search for two spaces and replace with one throughout should be appropriate. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 15 18:29:37 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA131624 for opro ; Tue, 15 Aug 100 18:29:32 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 966330726:10:29817:16; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 09:12:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1029708; 15 Aug 2000 9:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA16746 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 09:09:14 +0100 Received: from smtp8.xs4all.nl (smtp8.xs4all.nl [194.109.127.134]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA16743 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 09:09:13 +0100 Received: from ecdbv.xs4all.nl (dc2-modem3204.dial.xs4all.nl [194.109.140.132]) by smtp8.xs4all.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA18753 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 11:07:42 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 11:08:50 +0200 (BST) From: Andr van den Berg Subject: Re: Two awkward problems To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <6f365bee49%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: ECD Computers, Holland. +31703072040/Fax+31703072050 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Tue 15 Aug, David Graddol wrote: > Robin Phillips wrote: > I'm tempted to say that you should perhaps NOT be leaving double > spaces between sentences. It is not regarded as good typographic > or DTP practice but is a secretarial practice associated with > typescript. So a simple search for two spaces and replace with > one throughout should be appropriate. Many documents -when downloaded from the internet and converted with UnHTML- have double spaces. I hate to admit, but the converted text goes in to Publisher (which has the double space search adn replace option) and then, without styles, into Opro. Met vriendelijke groet / Kind regards, Andre van den Berg -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 15 18:29:44 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA131626 for opro ; Tue, 15 Aug 100 18:29:41 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 966337263:20:20997:15; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 11:01:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2105950; 15 Aug 2000 11:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA17151 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 10:50:59 +0100 Received: from zinc.singnet.com.sg (smtp3.singnet.com.sg [165.21.7.83]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA17148 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 10:50:53 +0100 Received: from revilo.singnet.com.sg (qtas0854.singnet.com.sg [165.21.57.244]) by zinc.singnet.com.sg (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA29708 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 18:49:18 +0800 (SGT) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 18:46:50 +0000 (GMT) From: Ian Oliver Subject: Colour printing To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <6f365bee49%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Ian Oliver, (65) 468-0760. X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Don't know whether this belongs in an Ovation list or not, but here goes. Is anyone using a Canon 7100 printer with Ovation? I have a peculiar problem with coloured text and the tint control: Red text looks very dark. If I select tint to be less than 100%, strange things happen; at 80% the output is purplish; at 60% and 40% the print is green. Black is fine, but if I want grey I get first blue/black at 80% then green at lower settings. If I do a screen shot (using paint) of the various colours, load that into an Ovation window then print, all is well The machine is a strongarm device with 64 + 2MB driving through Spacetech's PhotoReal. Printout seems fine with Photodesk. I know I'm doing something daft, but what is it??? Cheers, -- Ian Oliver http://www.crosswinds.net/~houseoftoucans/Index.html -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 15 18:29:51 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA131628 for opro ; Tue, 15 Aug 100 18:29:49 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 966333576:10:15214:18; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 09:59:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1107953; 15 Aug 2000 9:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA16950 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 09:52:37 +0100 Received: from scooby.lineone.net (doggy.lineone.net [194.75.152.224]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA16947 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 09:52:35 +0100 Received: from windowsbox.tfalbb.freeuk.com (host212-140-2-130.btinternet.com [212.140.2.130]) by scooby.lineone.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA14268 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 10:51:03 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <4.3.1.0.20000815102835.00a91240@pop.freeuk.net> X-Sender: tfalbb@pop.freeuk.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 10:29:43 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: Dave Subject: Re: Two awkward problems In-Reply-To: References: <6f365bee49%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro At 10:08 Tuesday 15/08/00, you wrote: >On Tue 15 Aug, David Graddol wrote: > > Robin Phillips wrote: > > > I'm tempted to say that you should perhaps NOT be leaving double > > spaces between sentences. It is not regarded as good typographic > > or DTP practice but is a secretarial practice associated with > > typescript. So a simple search for two spaces and replace with > > one throughout should be appropriate. > >Many documents -when downloaded from the internet and >converted with UnHTML- have double spaces. I hate to admit, >but the converted text goes in to Publisher (which has the >double space search adn replace option) and then, without >styles, into Opro. Why use search and replace at all? Isn't this exactly the kind of thing David's Fluff applet was designed to achieve? Dave -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 15 18:29:55 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA131629 for opro ; Tue, 15 Aug 100 18:29:52 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 966356026:20:28632:48; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 16:13:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2028403; 15 Aug 2000 16:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA17896 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 16:09:28 +0100 Received: from cmailg6.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg6.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.176]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA17889 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 16:09:23 +0100 Received: from modem-150.boron.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.4.150] helo=beeston12) by cmailg6.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 13OjFu-00030F-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 17:07:59 +0100 Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 16:51:45 +0100 From: Robin Phillips To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Two awkward problems Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6f365bee49%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> X-Organization: home X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m User-Agent: POPstar/2.01b12 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Dear David Graddol, In message <6f365bee49%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> you wrote: > I'm tempted to say that you should perhaps NOT be leaving double > spaces between sentences. It is not regarded as good typographic > or DTP practice but is a secretarial practice associated with > typescript. Thank you for reminding me that what is regarded as good practice for typists does not hold for printers! Clearly I did not make myself clear ENOUGH, because > a simple search for two spaces and replace with one throughout was EXACTLY what I was trying to do, with the option, obviously, that if I found double-spaces in a position where I did want them I let them stand. I went on to say that when the document was some pages long I have a difficulty, because the highlight (black) has disappeared several pages down below the screen, and scrolling the pages down does not guarantee my finding it successfully. I am wondering whether the Search & Replace is not working correctly. Another correspondent has pointed me in the direction of the Fluff Applet. Thanks once again for your help. Robin. -- Robin Phillips, 1, Newcastle Avenue, Beeston, Notts., NG9 1BT; Phone: +44 (0)115 922 4930 E-mail: rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 15 18:30:02 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA131631 for opro ; Tue, 15 Aug 100 18:29:59 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 966356037:20:25456:63; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 16:13:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2112633; 15 Aug 2000 16:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA17895 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 16:09:26 +0100 Received: from cmailg6.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg6.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.176]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA17885 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 16:09:22 +0100 Received: from modem-150.boron.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.4.150] helo=beeston12) by cmailg6.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 13OjFt-00030F-00; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 17:07:58 +0100 Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 16:58:42 +0100 From: Robin Phillips To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Cc: ecdbv@xs4all.nl Subject: Re: Two awkward problems Message-ID: <9f4f86ee49%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: home X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m User-Agent: POPstar/2.01b12 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Dear colleagues, In message you wrote: > On Tue 15 Aug, Andre van den Berg wrote: > > I'm tempted to say that you should perhaps NOT be leaving double > > spaces between sentences. ..... > Many documents -when downloaded from the internet and > converted with UnHTML- have double spaces. I hate to admit, > but the converted text goes in to Publisher (which has the > double space search adn replace option) and then, without > styles, into Opro. I am very interested by this! Can anyone put me wise about " UnHTML " ? I have not come across it before, and it sounds useful. Thank you for the other comments too, and kind regards to Andre!. Yours, Robin. -- Robin Phillips, 1, Newcastle Avenue, Beeston, Notts., NG9 1BT; Phone: +44 (0)115 922 4930 E-mail: rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 15 18:32:06 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA131638 for opro ; Tue, 15 Aug 100 18:32:03 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 966355950:10:25453:26; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 16:12:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1103604; 15 Aug 2000 16:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA17897 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 16:09:29 +0100 Received: from cmailg6.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg6.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.176]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA17892 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 16:09:25 +0100 Received: from modem-150.boron.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.4.150] helo=beeston12) by cmailg6.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 13OjFq-00030F-00; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 17:07:55 +0100 Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 17:09:05 +0100 From: Robin Phillips To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Two awkward problems Message-ID: <334387ee49%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.0.20000815102835.00a91240@pop.freeuk.net> X-Organization: home X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m User-Agent: POPstar/2.01b12 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <4.3.1.0.20000815102835.00a91240@pop.freeuk.net> wrote: > Why use search and replace at all? Isn't this exactly the kind of thing > David's Fluff applet was designed to achieve? Many thanks for reminding me of this Applet! I have now installed it and will experiment with it. It is good that one can customise the "rules" in it. I noticed however that NO-ONE has replied yet to the problem about a dropped initial to a paragraph where one needs (or wishes) to insert a quote mark BEFORE the dropped capital, but retain it. Let's hope some expert manages to help me out! Yours sincerely, Robin. -- Robin Phillips, 1, Newcastle Avenue, Beeston, Notts., NG9 1BT; Phone: +44 (0)115 922 4930 E-mail: rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 15 23:04:44 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA131651 for opro ; Tue, 15 Aug 100 23:04:41 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 966366225:10:12899:15; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 19:03:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1109888; 15 Aug 2000 19:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA18494 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 18:57:22 +0100 Received: from mserv1d.vianw.co.uk (mserv1d.vianw.co.uk [195.102.240.96]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA18491 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 18:57:20 +0100 Received: from [195.102.198.222] (helo=Caslon.english.co.uk) by mserv1d.vianw.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.10 #36) id 13OlsQ-0003ac-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 19:55:54 +0100 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 19:41:16 +0100 Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 19:40:49 +0100 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Two awkward problems Message-ID: <2f2795ee49%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Robin Phillips wrote: > I went on to say that when the document was some pages long I have a > difficulty, because the highlight (black) has disappeared several pages down > below the screen, and scrolling the pages down does not guarantee my finding > it successfully. I am wondering whether the Search & Replace is not working > correctly. No, I think it's not working correctly. Although I also can find it difficult sometimes to locate the highlight in such situations. Does Fluff work on imported text? David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 15 23:04:50 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA131653 for opro ; Tue, 15 Aug 100 23:04:47 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 966376153:10:04760:18; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 21:49:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1004432; 15 Aug 2000 21:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA18813 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 21:13:37 +0100 Received: from scooby.lineone.net (doggy.lineone.net [194.75.152.224]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA18810 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 21:13:35 +0100 Received: from windowsbox.tfalbb.freeuk.com (host62-6-11-235.btinternet.com [62.6.11.235]) by scooby.lineone.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA15856 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 22:11:33 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <4.3.1.0.20000815221206.00a96e60@pop.freeuk.net> X-Sender: tfalbb@pop.freeuk.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 22:12:38 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: Dave Subject: Re: Two awkward problems In-Reply-To: <2f2795ee49%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro At 19:40 Tuesday 15/08/00, you wrote: >Does Fluff work on imported text? Yes Dave -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Aug 16 02:12:39 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA131668 for opro ; Wed, 16 Aug 100 02:12:36 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 966377435:10:25850:17; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 22:10:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1111689; 15 Aug 2000 22:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA18983 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 22:06:37 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA15154 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 21:17:03 +0100 Received: from beard.demon.co.uk ([158.152.36.33]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13ORa6-0008wK-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 21:15:38 +0000 Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 22:15:15 +0100 (BST) From: Peter Gaunt Subject: Re: Two awkward problems To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <72961dee49%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Somewhat chaotic X-TimeTo2001: 139 days, 2 hours, 44 minutes, 45 seconds X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 14 Aug, Robin Phillips wrote: > 1) Every few months I have to edit a text file sent to me, produced by > several rather inconsistent typists! Between one sentence and the next > there is often a double-space, but sometimes a single! What I want to do > is to use F4 Search, to search for every double-space in turn, showing me > where they are in the text, and leaving them if they are between > sentences. Otherwise I confirm if they are to be replaced by a single. > > The trouble is that after 2 or 3 pages of searching something goes wrong. I > get a situation where the Search box reports it HAS found the next > occurrence, but I cannot see the black highlighting. Possibly it is two > pages lower down and the screen has not scrolled up. But on some occasions > it seems totally invisible, and I don't know where it has got to. Dunno whether it might help, but it probably will: there's a little prog on my website called 'text to dtp'. Amongst other things this can be used to reduce all occurences of multiple spaces in text files to one (it can also turn them into tabs, single returns at the end of lines into spaces and turn multiple returns into single returns). I wrote it 8 or 9 years ago. It looks very out of date (still has RO2 style buttons) but it works fine. Just drop your text file onto this then save it into OP. You can get it from www.dawnsun.net/software/ if you should so wish. -- Pete ==== +44 7711 501 757 Individualists unite! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Aug 16 02:12:47 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA131669 for opro ; Wed, 16 Aug 100 02:12:39 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 966384563:20:21728:15; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 00:09:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2021458; 16 Aug 2000 0:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA19351 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 23:55:40 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA19348 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 23:55:38 +0100 Received: from usercj88.uk.uudial.com (62.188.154.31) [62.188.154.31] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13OqX5-0003yO-00; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 00:54:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Mijas Software) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 18:56:44 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.24 for RISC OS 4.02 Subject: Re: !TransRTF Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 15 Aug 2000 (08:50:07 +0100), steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk wrote: > > My latest installation doesn't have these and I can't remember where > > to put them! Having downloaded transRTF and others should they be > > applets, library or autorun (or something else entirely!)? > > > How does in your boot structure, or any directory looked at by your > boot sound? > Or if you have RO4 keep them in a directory (say filters) inside !Ovation and use the Boot application to `look at' this directory. (click on !Boot then Boot then `Look at' and drop you filters directory into the `Boot at Startup' list. John -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Aug 16 14:20:08 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA131706 for opro ; Wed, 16 Aug 100 14:19:40 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 966393540:20:09423:18; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 02:39:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2009254; 16 Aug 2000 2:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA19802 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 02:37:25 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA19795 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 02:37:22 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13Ot3c-0003FC-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 02:35:57 +0000 Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 03:20:50 GMT Message-Id: <131698@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Two awkward problems X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >What I want to do is to use F4 Search, to search for every double-space in >turn, showing me where they are in the text, and leaving them if they are >between sentences. Otherwise I confirm if they are to be replaced by a >single. Maybe you could replace all double spaces with single spaces and then replace period space with period space space. Rules in 'fluff' could be set up to do that. >The trouble is that after 2 or 3 pages of searching something goes wrong. I >get a situation where the Search box reports it HAS found the next >occurrence, but I cannot see the black highlighting. As far as I know there isn't a bug in this area. If anyone can show me an example I'd be happy to have a look. There are some catches, all OPro does is get the marked text in the visible bit of the window, if half the window is off screen, or under another window, thats tough luck. There are also cases like you search 'all stories' and you have frames on the pasteboard etc. i.e. not visible. >2)The other problem relates to dropped initials for a paragraph. I >have a style set for this. Usually it looks very good. But if the para >happens to start with a single opening quote (Alt-144) it refuses of course >to apply the large initial letter. I can get it only by deleting the >quote. How can I fix this letter and re-insert the opening quote? You can't. OPro only allows 1 drop cap character. Others have suggested allowing more than 1, its a good idea. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Aug 16 14:20:11 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA131707 for opro ; Wed, 16 Aug 100 14:20:10 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 966394301:20:23471:15; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 02:51:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2023451; 16 Aug 2000 2:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA19803 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 02:37:26 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA19799 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 02:37:24 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13Ot3e-0003FC-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 02:35:59 +0000 Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 03:27:36 GMT Message-Id: <131700@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Two awkward problems X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Many documents -when downloaded from the internet and >converted with UnHTML- have double spaces. I hate to admit, >but the converted text goes in to Publisher (which has the >double space search adn replace option) and then, without >styles, into Opro. How does that work in Publisher then? (aside from the obvious of a search string of space space and a replace string of space). David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From ecdbv@xs4all.nl Wed Aug 16 14:20:17 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA131710 for opro ; Wed, 16 Aug 100 14:20:15 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 966408937:10:28433:4; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 06:55:37 GMT Received: from smtp8.xs4all.nl ([194.109.127.134]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1027607; 16 Aug 2000 6:55 GMT Received: from ecdbv.xs4all.nl (dc2-modem770.dial.xs4all.nl [194.109.131.2]) by smtp8.xs4all.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA05620; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 08:55:03 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 09:04:09 +0100 (BST) From: Andr van den Berg Subject: Re: Two awkward problems To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk cc: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk, David Pilling In-Reply-To: <131700@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by smtp8.xs4all.nl id IAA05620 On Wed 16 Aug, David Pilling wrote: > How does that work in Publisher then? (aside from the obvious > of a search string of space space and a replace string of space). Just as you described up here: f4, space, space, replace by space, if nee= ded repeatedly, helped by two another features, find carriage return [cr], replace with space and/or, in CSV-files, find ',' or ';' replace by [tab]= , and saved as ASCIII for use in Pipedream, Eureka or PC spreadsheets. Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards, Andr=E9 van den Berg,=20 Karperdaal 86 2553 PK Den Haag tel. 070-3175260=20 ecdbv@xs4all.nl From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Aug 16 14:20:22 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA131712 for opro ; Wed, 16 Aug 100 14:20:20 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 966410792:10:16777:22; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 07:26:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1016577; 16 Aug 2000 7:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA20538 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 07:26:05 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA20535 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 07:26:03 +0100 Received: from userec79.uk.uudial.com (62.188.10.159) [62.188.10.159] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13OxYz-000086-00; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 08:24:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 08:18:22 +0100 Subject: Re: !TransRTF Message-ID: <49eeda8235steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Mijas Software wrote: > Or if you have RO4 keep them in a directory (say filters) inside > !Ovation and use the Boot application to `look at' this directory. > (click on !Boot then Boot then `Look at' and drop you filters directory > into the `Boot at Startup' list. Strangely enough a directory called Transloaders. Yes, RO4, but I wanted to be a little more generic in my comment. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Aug 16 14:20:30 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA131715 for opro ; Wed, 16 Aug 100 14:20:27 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 966409934:20:11520:18; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 07:12:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2011451; 16 Aug 2000 7:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA20409 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 06:56:31 +0100 Received: from smtp8.xs4all.nl (smtp8.xs4all.nl [194.109.127.134]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA20406 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 06:56:29 +0100 Received: from ecdbv.xs4all.nl (dc2-modem770.dial.xs4all.nl [194.109.131.2]) by smtp8.xs4all.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA05620; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 08:55:03 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 09:04:09 +0100 (BST) From: Andr van den Berg Subject: Re: Two awkward problems To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk cc: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk, David Pilling In-Reply-To: <131700@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id GAB20409 Status: R On Wed 16 Aug, David Pilling wrote: > How does that work in Publisher then? (aside from the obvious > of a search string of space space and a replace string of space). Just as you described up here: f4, space, space, replace by space, if nee= ded repeatedly, helped by two another features, find carriage return [cr], replace with space and/or, in CSV-files, find ',' or ';' replace by [tab]= , and saved as ASCIII for use in Pipedream, Eureka or PC spreadsheets. Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards, Andr=E9 van den Berg,=20 Karperdaal 86 2553 PK Den Haag tel. 070-3175260=20 ecdbv@xs4all.nl -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Aug 16 19:59:07 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA131742 for opro ; Wed, 16 Aug 100 19:59:03 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 966450900:20:19600:15; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 18:35:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2116999; 16 Aug 2000 18:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA21795 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 18:32:08 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA21792 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 18:32:06 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13P7xQ-000HXe-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 18:30:32 +0000 Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 14:54:53 GMT Message-Id: <131724@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Two awkward problems X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Just as you described up here: f4, space, space, replace by space, if needed So the same thing would work in the same way in OPro. I thought Imp. had some extra feature. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Aug 16 21:57:48 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA131746 for opro ; Wed, 16 Aug 100 21:57:43 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 966457298:10:02601:16; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 20:21:38 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1121974; 16 Aug 2000 20:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA22046 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 20:18:38 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA22043 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 20:18:36 +0100 Received: from snave.demon.co.uk ([158.152.89.120]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13P9cZ-000P47-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 20:17:08 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jack Evans To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 21:15:28 +0100 Subject: Re: Two awkward problems Message-ID: <49ef21a46djack@snave.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <72961dee49%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> References: <72961dee49%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <72961dee49%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk>, Robin Phillips wrote: > Dear colleagues, > Can anyone help me with two little problems? Problem 1. dealt with by others. > 2) The other problem relates to dropped initials for a paragraph. I > have a style set for this. Usually it looks very good. But if the > para happens to start with a single opening quote (Alt-144) it refuses > of course to apply the large initial letter. I can get it only by > deleting the quote. How can I fix this letter and re-insert the > opening quote? My way of coping with this is fiddly but it works reasonably well. Position a small frame before the dropped char, make it transparent, put the quote at matching pointsize in it and position the frame where you want the quote to appear in relation to the initial char.. No problem when the initial letter is an 'A', but with a 'T' it's difficult to get close enough even with Runaround/Standoff in Textflow set to a minimum. Regards Jack -- Jack Evans Bristol UK Authorised Installer RISC OS4 mailto:jack@snave.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Aug 17 01:38:47 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA131753 for opro ; Thu, 17 Aug 100 01:38:40 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 966462698:20:07233:15; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 21:51:38 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2119290; 16 Aug 2000 21:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA22349 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 21:48:21 +0100 Received: from hose.pipex.net (hose.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.58]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA22346 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 21:48:19 +0100 Received: from RPC (userbp31.uk.uudial.com [62.188.146.26]) by hose.pipex.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 52A4F454B for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 22:46:53 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 22:44:39 +0100 From: Mik Towse To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Two awkward problems Message-ID: <49EF29D1CB%mik.towse@xemik.com> References: <131698@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <131698@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.10d POPstar/2.02 X-Editor: Zap 1.42, using ZapEmail 0.24 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <131698@pilling.demon.co.uk> David Pilling wrote: > > The trouble is that after 2 or 3 pages of searching something goes > > wrong. I get a situation where the Search box reports it HAS found the > > next occurrence, but I cannot see the black highlighting. [snip] > all OPro does is get the marked text in the visible bit of the window, > if half the window is off screen, or under another window, thats > tough luck. There are also cases like you search 'all stories' and > you have frames on the pasteboard etc. i.e. not visible. Where the text is in a (potentially) visible wdw, it might be useful for the 'found' text to be brought to the top/middle of the wdw. -- Mik Towse * mik.towse@xemik.com * http://www.xemik.com/ My writers' site can be found at: http://www.lexis.org.uk Bride: A woman with a fine prospect of happiness behind her -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Aug 17 01:39:08 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA131755 for opro ; Thu, 17 Aug 100 01:39:00 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 966463675:10:07461:36; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 22:07:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1006537; 16 Aug 2000 22:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA22453 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 22:05:29 +0100 Received: from mserv1c.vianw.co.uk (mserv1c.vianw.co.uk [195.102.240.33]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA22450 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 22:05:27 +0100 Received: from [195.102.197.172] (helo=Caslon.english.co.uk) by mserv1c.vianw.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.10 #35) id 13PBHz-0003I0-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 23:03:59 +0100 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 23:00:02 +0100 Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 22:59:26 +0100 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Two awkward problems Message-ID: <662c2bef49%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <49ef21a46djack@snave.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Jack Evans wrote: > > My way of coping with this is fiddly but it works reasonably well. > Position a small frame before the dropped char, make it transparent, put > the quote at matching pointsize in it and position the frame where you > want the quote to appear in relation to the initial char.. > > No problem when the initial letter is an 'A', but with a 'T' it's > difficult to get close enough even with Runaround/Standoff in Textflow > set to a minimum. > Presumably you can set textflow to none and overlap the frames if needed? Or, if you are in the business of separate frames, why not forget the drop-cap style in that instance and put both quote and first letter in the new frame? The spellchecker won't like it, of course, but I don't suppose that's a big problem. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Aug 17 01:39:18 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA131757 for opro ; Thu, 17 Aug 100 01:39:12 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 966463840:10:12198:32; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 22:10:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1011934; 16 Aug 2000 22:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA22502 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 22:09:32 +0100 Received: from scrabble.freeuk.net (scrabble.freeuk.net [212.126.144.6]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA22499 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 22:09:30 +0100 Received: from du-012-0148.freeuk.com ([212.126.155.148] helo=freeuk.net) by scrabble.freeuk.net with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1) id 13PBLx-0002xy-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 23:08:05 +0100 Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 23:07:19 +0100 From: Keith Wilson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Welcome to ovationpro Message-ID: <5de52bef49.keith@freeuk.net> References: <200008161951.UAA22233@omega.barnet.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <200008161951.UAA22233@omega.barnet.ac.uk> X-Organization: None User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I seem to remember that when I previously used Ovation Pro I could auto bullet paragraphs. (I have recounted my brief sojourn to Macs before realising the error of my ways previously on this group). Can anyone remind me how to do it? I cannot find reference to the appropriate applet to enable OvPro to do this (I think it was an applet anyway). many thanks, Keith Wilson -- ___ ___ ___ ___ ___ ___ | _ \_ _/ __|/ __| / _ \/ __| | /| |\__ \ (__ | (_) \__ \ |_|_\___|___/\___| \___/|___/ A Micro$oft-free zone -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Aug 17 03:06:21 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA131768 for opro ; Thu, 17 Aug 100 03:06:20 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 966477084:10:28574:46; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 01:51:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1125242; 17 Aug 2000 1:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA23247 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 01:49:37 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA23244 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 01:49:35 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13PEmt-000E7k-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 01:48:07 +0000 Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 01:45:45 GMT Message-Id: <131761@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Welcome to ovationpro X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, >I seem to remember that when I previously used Ovation Pro I could auto >bullet paragraphs. It all depends. OPro has had auto bulleting/paragraph numbering built in since the start, but the normal templates hide it, because it doesn't work properly. At the start of this year I fixed this, and 2.59 and later have proper bulleting. On the other hand, you may be thinking of an applet that provides this feature. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Aug 17 13:13:23 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA131771 for opro ; Thu, 17 Aug 100 13:13:01 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 966489262:20:00119:20; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 05:14:22 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2029900; 17 Aug 2000 5:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA23753 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 05:10:25 +0100 Received: from leer2.shuttle.de (leer2.shuttle.de [194.95.224.17]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA23750 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 05:10:23 +0100 Received: from uu1093.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by leer2.shuttle.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with UUCP id HAA28179 for lists.barnet.ac.uk!ovationpro; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 07:08:30 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de by Arktur.hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m13P4C7-000fFSC; Wed, 16 Aug 100 16:29 MET DST Message-ID: <399A8B2C.7E02DCF4@hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de> Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 14:38:05 +0200 From: Jochen Konietzko Organization: Heinrich-Mann Gymnasium X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [de] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Weird printing problem References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I am a teacher with a bad memory for names, and so for many years now I have taken photos of every new class and written th names onto those photos; since the advent of the digital camera I have been taking individual JPEG photos which I then dropped onto an OvPro page with a lot of small frames in a rectangular grid, with a smaller frame for the name beneath every photo. (Eight rows, four columns.) Everything worked perfectly - until today; when I tried to print out the first page of photos of the new school year (using 2.56 on my SA RPC with 64+2MB RAM with a Canon 620 printer and CC's TurboDriver), only the text (title and pupil's names) appeared. A change to 2.53 caused the machine to hang. I then took an old sheet which had printed perfectly in spring: same effect. I changed some of the JPEGs to Sprite and dropped them onto the page: Complete crash (large textured rectangle on the screen, the mouse being restricted to the lower right corner; clicking randomly into the area until I hit one of the invisible buttons changed part of the rectangle to mauve - filled with all kinds of characters; every click with the mouse would now create more mauve characters under the pointer anywhere on the screen. Made a new copy of the old, previously successful file, changed just the top left JPEG to Sprite: It was printed FOUR times, first as a conventional colour photo, then with ever harsher contrast; in #4 the bright parts were white, light shadow yellow, deep shadow bright red. New copy of the file, changed picture #2 to Sprite: Three editions of the phot, plus, in the top left position, something which looked vaguely like a cyan separation of the photo. New copy, converted a photo further down the page to a sprite: large textured rectangle again. Opened a new document, dropped one of the JPEGs from the class photo session onto the page: Perfect colour print out just as always. Has anyone EVER come across something like this? Is there a known solution: Thanks in advance, Jochen Konietzko -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Aug 17 13:13:51 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA131775 for opro ; Thu, 17 Aug 100 13:13:48 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 966498430:20:29700:16; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 07:47:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2029191; 17 Aug 2000 7:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA24093 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 07:44:35 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA24090 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 07:44:33 +0100 Received: from userj964.uk.uudial.com (194.69.100.49) [194.69.100.49] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13PKKQ-000504-00; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 08:43:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Peter Howard To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 08:51:28 +0100 Subject: Re: Colour printing Message-ID: <49eedd8a33jodrell@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <6f365bee49%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 15 Aug, Ian Oliver wrote: > Don't know whether this belongs in an Ovation list or not, but here goes. Is > anyone using a Canon 7100 printer with Ovation? I have a peculiar problem > with coloured text and the tint control: > Red text looks very dark. If I select tint to be less than 100%, strange > things happen; at 80% the output is purplish; at 60% and 40% the print is > green. > Black is fine, but if I want grey I get first blue/black at 80% then green > at lower settings. > If I do a screen shot (using paint) of the various colours, load that into > an Ovation window then print, all is well > The machine is a strongarm device with 64 + 2MB driving through Spacetech's > PhotoReal. Printout seems fine with Photodesk. > I know I'm doing something daft, but what is it??? > Cheers, Perfectly OK here, with an identical setup. Peter H. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Aug 17 13:14:28 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA131785 for opro ; Thu, 17 Aug 100 13:14:26 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 966508038:20:06304:20; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 10:27:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2105534; 17 Aug 2000 10:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA24555 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 10:22:24 +0100 Received: from copper.singnet.com.sg (smtp2.singnet.com.sg [165.21.7.84]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA24552 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 10:22:20 +0100 Received: from revilo.singnet.com.sg (qtas2829.singnet.com.sg [165.21.55.219]) by copper.singnet.com.sg (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA21246 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 18:20:48 +0800 (SGT) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 16:31:53 +0000 (GMT) From: Ian Oliver Subject: Re: Colour printing To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <49eedd8a33jodrell@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Ian Oliver, (65) 468-0760. X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Er - re curious problems printing coloured text on a Canon 7100 via PhotoReal; I've now put a BCJ-61 cartridge in the thing and it seems to work fine. Don't know why it doesn't like the BJC-62, but at least the colours look correct now from Ovation. Not to find out if I've ruined the printout from Photodesk... Cheers, -- Ian Oliver http://www.crosswinds.net/~houseoftoucans/Index.html -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Aug 17 13:14:41 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA131789 for opro ; Thu, 17 Aug 100 13:14:40 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 966509495:20:12222:25; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 10:51:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2011835; 17 Aug 2000 10:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA24679 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 10:47:56 +0100 Received: from mail1.hw.ac.uk (mail1.hw.ac.uk [137.195.170.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA24676 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 10:47:55 +0100 Received: from punt1.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.150.23]) by mail1.hw.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13PNBr-0005Zm-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 11:46:27 +0100 Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk (isambard.che.hw.ac.uk [137.195.32.15]) by punt1.hw.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA07929 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 11:46:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 11:46:55 +0100 Subject: Changes on t'other OPro web site Message-ID: <49ef717022C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Courtesy of Roger Noble * New Headings applet, writes page headers from section headings * Contents applet updated to v. 2.15 * Tidied up versions of capital, sections, sequence applets Url in sig. Best regards to all -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) mailto: Chris@bulldog.u-net.com (at home) ovpro web site http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Aug 17 14:28:25 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA131802 for opro ; Thu, 17 Aug 100 14:28:20 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 966515826:20:17078:27; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 12:37:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2105150; 17 Aug 2000 12:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA25011 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 12:34:38 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA25008 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 12:34:36 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13POr7-000M0m-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 12:33:09 +0000 Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 13:20:04 GMT Message-Id: <131793@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Weird printing problem X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I have been taking individual JPEG photos I think the standard warnings about JPEG's have to be repeated. Firstly CC Turbo drivers will crash when printing JPEG's unless 'Preprint pass' is configured on from OPro print choices. Variation in this setting may explain why some versions act one way and others another. Just one JPEG on a page will be enough to upset Turbos, so unless you've converted every image on the page to sprite, things won't change. In later versions OPro supports image processing and transformation of JPEG's to do this it converts them to sprites when printing. I suppose one quick fix would be to select all the frames and give them a tiny rotation. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Aug 17 19:09:45 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA131808 for opro ; Thu, 17 Aug 100 19:09:34 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 966534465:20:21564:20; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 17:47:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2020649; 17 Aug 2000 17:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA25679 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 17:37:20 +0100 Received: from sand.global.net.uk (sand.global.net.uk [195.147.248.109] (may be forged)) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA25676 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 17:37:17 +0100 Received: from pf2s07a07.client.global.net.uk ([195.147.231.243] helo=oemcomputer) by sand.global.net.uk with smtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 13PTa4-00046U-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 18:35:53 +0100 Message-ID: <001401c00871$eece5480$f3e793c3@oemcomputer> From: "Peter Jennings" To: References: <334387ee49%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> Subject: Re: Two awkward problems Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 18:37:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro ----- Original Message ----- From: Robin Phillips To: Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2000 5:09 PM Subject: Re: Two awkward problems > > I noticed however that NO-ONE has replied yet to the problem about a dropped > initial to a paragraph where one needs (or wishes) to insert a quote mark > BEFORE the dropped capital, but retain it. Let's hope some expert manages > to help me out! > In the absence of an expert, let me tell you that I do it by drawing a small text frame to the left of the dropped cap and putting the quote mark in it. An alternative is to use a suitably sized graphic of a quote mark and put that in the frame. There are plenty available in clip art collections. Regards Peter Peter Jennings jennings@aaug.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Aug 18 01:39:30 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA131821 for opro ; Fri, 18 Aug 100 01:38:59 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 966548667:10:26606:17; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 21:44:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1026545; 17 Aug 2000 21:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA26228 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 21:42:05 +0100 Received: from sand6.global.net.uk (sand6.global.net.uk [195.147.246.105]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA26225 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 21:42:03 +0100 Received: from p7es07a10.client.global.net.uk ([195.147.119.127] helo=RPC) by sand6.global.net.uk with smtp (Exim 3.03 #1) id 13PXQb-0002V4-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 22:42:22 +0100 Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 20:37:31 +0100 From: Mik Towse To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Colour printing Message-ID: <49EFA20457%mik.towse@xemik.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.10d POPstar/2.02 X-Editor: Zap 1.42, using ZapEmail 0.24 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article Ian Oliver wrote: [snip] > Don't know why it doesn't like the BJC-62, but at least the colours look > correct now from Ovation. Not to find out if I've ruined the printout > from Photodesk... Did you remember to change the 'loaded' cartridge in Printers? -- Mik Towse * mik.towse@xemik.com * http://www.xemik.com/ My writers' site can be found at: http://www.lexis.org.uk Everything goes wrong at once -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Aug 18 03:26:42 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA131828 for opro ; Fri, 18 Aug 100 03:26:39 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 966561408:10:23187:15; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 01:16:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1128466; 18 Aug 2000 1:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA26703 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 01:15:27 +0100 Received: from mars.skynet.co.uk ([195.188.45.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA26700 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 01:15:25 +0100 Received: from pebblesculpt.co.uk (212-46-129-110.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.129.110]) by mars.skynet.co.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id CAA07410 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 02:13:19 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 02:12:20 +0100 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Two awkward problems Message-ID: <98abc0ef49%pebbles@pebblesculpt.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <72961dee49%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> X-Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS X-System: RISC OS 3.7 StrongArm 2-slice RiscPC 48MB+2MB / 8GB IDE / SCSI 2 / AKF85 X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <72961dee49%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> you wrote: > Can anyone help me with two little problems? > > 1) Every few months I have to edit a text file sent to me, produced by > several rather inconsistent typists! [snip] > The trouble is that after 2 or 3 pages of searching something goes wrong. > I get a situation where the Search box reports it HAS found the next > occurrence, but I cannot see the black highlighting. This occurs when a double space is at the end of a line in the middle of a paragraph. When Ovation (and Impression) flows text it has to get around people typing double spaces between words and doesn't wrap a line until the last in a sequence of spaces. It's quite amazing how many spaces you can fit between a word and the adjacent right hand margin, when the following word has been softwrapped. This is a special case for Ovation and the search and replace function seems not to be able to locate these floating lines of spaces. Impression behaves slightly differently. It treats a double space as a special case at the end of a softwrapped line, but typing more eventually causes spaces to appear on the following line. I've never found a good reason for either treatment over the other. The only time I recall ever using a double space in DTP is on an envelope address between the county and the Post Code... it just looks more pleasing to me that way! So I'd go with DP's advice here - get rid of all those double spaces. Brian. -- Brian O'Carroll brian@pebblesculpt.co.uk http://www.pebblesculpt.co.uk 183 Aston Clinton Road, Aylesbury, Bucks HP22 5AD Tel: (+44) 01296 632431 Mobile phone: 07909 918370 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Aug 18 13:42:43 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA131835 for opro ; Fri, 18 Aug 100 13:42:33 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 966566070:10:08932:15; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 02:34:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1102429; 18 Aug 2000 2:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA26977 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 02:33:44 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA26974 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 02:33:43 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13PbxB-000I7L-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 02:32:17 +0000 Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 03:27:03 GMT Message-Id: <131829@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Two awkward problems X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >This occurs when a double space is at the end of a line in the middle of a >paragraph. Thanks, thats a good point. I suppose anytime search/replace finds something 'invisble' you won't see it marked. Now all those who asked for spaces at the end of lines to be stripped like this - what is the solution? ;-) >So I'd go with DP's advice here - get rid of all those double spaces. ooh I didn't say that, I only write it, I don't tell you how to use it. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Aug 18 13:42:52 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA131837 for opro ; Fri, 18 Aug 100 13:42:45 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 966572023:10:10224:21; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 04:13:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1117235; 18 Aug 2000 4:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA27239 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 04:10:08 +0100 Received: from smtp4.singnet.com.sg (smtp4.singnet.com.sg [165.21.101.224]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA27234 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 04:10:00 +0100 Received: from revilo.singnet.com.sg (qtas1457.singnet.com.sg [165.21.52.127]) by smtp4.singnet.com.sg (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA98374 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 16:29:26 +0800 (SGT) (envelope-from revilo@singnet.com.sg) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 16:17:43 +0000 (GMT) From: Ian Oliver Subject: Re: Colour printing To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <49eedd8a33jodrell@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Ian Oliver, (65) 468-0760. X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 16 Aug, Peter Howard wrote: > Perfectly OK here, with an identical setup. Thanks muchly for the message. Though of limited use! Have you done any alteration of the PhotoReal setup jobbie? Looked a bit daunting so I've left it alone. Did a bit of detective work just now; Artworks gives similar results to Ovation. A puzzle, but it looks as if I've got something set wrongly somewhere. I've just got a BCJ-61 cartridge so I'll see how that goes... Cheers, -- Ian Oliver http://www.crosswinds.net/~houseoftoucans/Index.html -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Aug 18 13:43:04 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA131841 for opro ; Fri, 18 Aug 100 13:43:02 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 966595655:10:23900:16; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 10:47:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1113705; 18 Aug 2000 10:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA28272 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 10:43:03 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA28269 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 10:43:01 +0100 Received: from bvista.demon.co.uk ([194.222.32.134]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13Pjae-000DqX-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 10:41:32 +0000 Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 11:35:23 +0100 (BST) From: Arthur Taylor Subject: Re: Two awkward problems To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <131829@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Arthur Taylor X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Fri 18 Aug, David Pilling wrote: > > >So I'd go with DP's advice here - get rid of all those double spaces. > > ooh I didn't say that, I only write it, I don't tell you how to use it. > > > > > David Pilling Well, I don't care what *any* of you say, I think single spaces between sentences look really awful and I'll continue to use double spaces - so there :-) Regards, -- Arthur Taylor, Parkstone, Poole -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Aug 19 01:48:32 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA131865 for opro ; Sat, 19 Aug 100 01:48:23 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 966645238:20:25784:79; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 00:33:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2025715; 19 Aug 2000 0:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA29821 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 00:27:37 +0100 Received: from mars.skynet.co.uk ([195.188.45.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA29818 for ; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 00:27:34 +0100 Received: from pebblesculpt.co.uk (212-46-129-122.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.129.122]) by mars.skynet.co.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id AAA23304 for ; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 00:32:40 +0100 (BST) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 00:31:30 +0100 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Two awkward problems Message-ID: <6a463bf049%pebbles@pebblesculpt.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <131829@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS X-System: RISC OS 3.7 StrongArm 2-slice RiscPC 48MB+2MB / 8GB IDE / SCSI 2 / AKF85 X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <131829@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > >So I'd go with DP's advice here - get rid of all those double spaces. > ooh I didn't say that, I only write it, I don't tell you how to use it. Ooops. Sorry, someone else's good advise then. :-) Brian. -- Brian O'Carroll brian@pebblesculpt.co.uk http://www.pebblesculpt.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Aug 19 14:04:48 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA131868 for opro ; Sat, 19 Aug 100 14:04:45 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 966679734:11:00196:16; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 10:08:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1100237; 19 Aug 2000 10:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA30920 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 10:06:21 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA30917 for ; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 10:06:19 +0100 Received: from useraq92.uk.uudial.com (62.188.136.152) [62.188.136.152] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13Q5Uj-0002TH-00; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 11:04:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Mr J W Lupton) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 21:18:01 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.24 for RISC OS 4.02 Subject: Re: Two awkward problems Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 18 Aug 2000 (11:35:23 +0100), ataylor@bvista.demon.co.uk wrote: > Well, I don't care what *any* of you say, I think single spaces between > sentences look really awful and I'll continue to use double spaces - so > there :-) > I quite agree! In fact, I sometimes go to the trouble of removing all double spaces, and then changing to . Call me fussy, or what! :) Jonathan L -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ jwlupton@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Aug 21 22:21:02 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA131899 for opro ; Mon, 21 Aug 100 22:20:59 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 966849098:20:25578:17; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 09:11:38 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2100153; 21 Aug 2000 9:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA02949 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 09:02:39 +0100 Received: from mutt.eurobell.net (qmailr@mutt.eurobell.net [212.24.65.70]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA02946 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 09:02:36 +0100 Received: (qmail 18209 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2000 11:14:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kbamford.eurobell.co.uk) (212.24.66.190) by mutt.eurobell.net with SMTP; 20 Aug 2000 11:14:33 -0000 Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 11:43:09 +0100 (BST) From: Keith Bamford Subject: Re: Two awkward problems To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <6a463bf049%pebbles@pebblesculpt.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R > > > >So I'd go with DP's advice here - get rid of all those double spaces. > > > ooh I didn't say that, I only write it, I don't tell you how to use it. I have always disliked intensely the change in OP to strip spaces at the end of lines. I have said so several times to David but he said it was by popular demand. I have no wish whatsoever to use double spacing in DTP. I strongly believe along with current practice that it is an anacronism from the days of typing (as is underlining for emphasis). One does not see it in books or magazines etc. However I preferred the previous version of OP because I find on various occaions that I wish to move the start of a line further right for various reasons connected with layout and design. this I cannot do with the space bar and so have to insert a tab on the ruler to move the cursor along the line. I wish we could have the original flexibility restored. Regards Keith -- Keith Bamford mail to: kbamford@roada.org.uk Why not visit http://www.wyg-roada.org.uk http://www.roada.org.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Aug 21 22:21:10 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA131903 for opro ; Mon, 21 Aug 100 22:21:08 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 966850995:10:24959:16; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 09:43:15 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1129544; 21 Aug 2000 9:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA03225 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 09:41:05 +0100 Received: from tvweb1.hiway.co.uk (root@tvweb1.hiway.co.uk [195.12.1.131]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA03222 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 09:41:03 +0100 From: Received: from mail-gw.quantel.com ([195.12.20.50]) by tvweb1.hiway.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA28200 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 10:39:35 +0100 Received: SMTP by Quantel-Mailhub (8.8.7/3.1). id LAA09149 for INET:ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Mon, 21 Aug 2000 11:39:28 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: <80256942.00356BB6.00@buffer1.HQ.quantel> Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 10:37:53 +0100 Subject: Re: Adding Pages by overflow. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Organization: Quantel Ltd. Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > I'm trying to recreate a service sheet I produce regularly in Impression > with Ovation Pro. This is an A4 sheet folded lengthways to produce a > long and slim sheet. > I need a two column Master page with links set to go from left to right > and then on to the next side so that the columns become, in order, pages > 2 & 3 and pages 4 & 1, so that once printed everything is in order. I would have thought you would be better to define a new page size which is half the width of A4 with a single column. If you link this to itself you will then get new pages added as the text overflows. Then when you come to print it, use the pamphlet mode to fit multiple pages onto a single A4 sheet. There are various options to get it to print pages 1 & 4 on one side and 2 & 3 on the other HTH Andy Ling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Aug 21 22:21:12 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA131901 for opro ; Mon, 21 Aug 100 22:21:04 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 966850226:20:23366:31; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 09:30:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2114988; 21 Aug 2000 9:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA03067 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 09:27:23 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA03064 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 09:27:18 +0100 Received: from mcfamily.demon.co.uk ([194.222.77.216]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13QUbW-0007Eb-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 12:53:34 +0000 Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 13:45:23 +0100 From: Andy McMullon To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Adding Pages by overflow. Message-ID: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I'm trying to recreate a service sheet I produce regularly in Impression with Ovation Pro. This is an A4 sheet folded lengthways to produce a long and slim sheet. I need a two column Master page with links set to go from left to right and then on to the next side so that the columns become, in order, pages 2 & 3 and pages 4 & 1, so that once printed everything is in order. The text flow should then go from pages 2 > 3 > 4 (which are actually the columns 1 > 2 > 3 ) but stopping after that so that the front page is done last in the 4th and final column. If you can follow that! Anyway, at the moment I've got a two column page with link set to make text flow from column 1 to column 2. I can't get a new page to appear automatically when I import text. When I add a page I can't set the text flow to go from the right hand column down to the left hand column of the next page. Sorry if this seems complicated. If you've done documents in this format you'll probably know what I mean - and someone might already have stationary template already set up to email to me! Please do! -- skypilot@bigfoot.com / andy@mcfamily.demon.co.uk Bader Bike Challange Jordan 2000 - Email me for details! Sponsors needed - Charity for the Disabled - Win a bike for a quid! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 22 14:46:48 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA131963 for opro ; Tue, 22 Aug 100 14:46:46 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 966911220:20:02916:22; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 02:27:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2002376; 22 Aug 2000 2:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA05130 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 02:20:44 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA05122 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 02:20:40 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13R3eq-0003lX-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 02:19:20 +0000 Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 02:56:17 GMT Message-Id: <131958@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Adding Pages by overflow. X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Anyway, at the moment I've got a two column page with link set to make >text flow from column 1 to column 2. I can't get a new page to appear >automatically when I import text. When I add a page I can't set the >text flow to go from the right hand column down to the left hand column >of the next page. I'd recommend following Andy Ling's previous comments. But if you do want to do it this way, probably you'd create a document with no default master frame, then use the insert page feature. You've now got 2 blank pages, on which you can create 4 frames, and link in any order you want. Plan B of course is to use the Impression document loader to load your original file. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 22 14:46:52 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA131965 for opro ; Tue, 22 Aug 100 14:46:49 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 966911125:11:03415:15; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 02:25:25 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1103369; 22 Aug 2000 2:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA05126 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 02:20:41 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA05118 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 02:20:39 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13R3ep-0003lX-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 02:19:19 +0000 Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 02:50:04 GMT Message-Id: <131956@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Two awkward problems X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I have always disliked intensely the change in OP to strip spaces at the end >of lines. I have said so several times to David but he said it was by >popular demand. There is some logic too it, since it always happend on fully justified lines. I suppose I could make it either part of text styles or a document preference. >However I preferred the previous version of OP because I find on >various occaions that I wish to move the start of a line further right for >various reasons connected with layout and design. this I cannot do with the >space bar and so have to insert a tab on the ruler to move the cursor along >the line. I wish we could have the original flexibility restored. I suppose what you should do is end the previous line with a new line code (shift+return) then you can shift your text. Some would probably say shfting text with spaces is not typologically sound, obviously you could then use a style to do this. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 22 14:47:13 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA131970 for opro ; Tue, 22 Aug 100 14:46:59 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 966911958:10:24705:15; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 02:39:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1122854; 22 Aug 2000 2:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA05131 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 02:20:45 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA05127 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 02:20:41 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13R3er-0003lX-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 02:19:21 +0000 Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 02:59:07 GMT Message-Id: <131960@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Acorn Publisher article on printing CMYK bit maps X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, There is an article in the latest issue of Acorn Publisher which discusses printing CMYK bit maps to composite PostScript (i.e. as opposed to separations). The snag is that the RISC OS printer driver system only works in RGB so your CMYK bit map gets converted to RGB, losing quality etc. It came as a surprise to me when Mike Williams pointed out that in this situation Impression bypasses RISC OS and outputs the bit map direct into the PS. Anyway the latest version of the EPS applet adds this functionality to OPro. It may be non-obvious why the EPS applet should affect bit map printing, but the code fits in most naturally there. I did this work a few months back, but I've not got around to releasing the new applet. It will appear with the CD upgrade. The article also mentions that David Pilling's scanning software 1.15 can save CMYK bit maps to EPS. Again this is unreleased, pending user demand for it. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 22 14:47:26 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA131976 for opro ; Tue, 22 Aug 100 14:47:25 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 966932956:10:27534:30; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 08:29:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1027181; 22 Aug 2000 8:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA06052 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 08:27:52 +0100 Received: from smtp8.xs4all.nl (smtp8.xs4all.nl [194.109.127.134]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA06049 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 08:27:49 +0100 Received: from ecdbv.xs4all.nl (dc2-modem849.dial.xs4all.nl [194.109.131.81]) by smtp8.xs4all.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA27485 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 10:26:21 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 10:27:28 +0200 (BST) From: Andr van den Berg Subject: Re: Acorn Publisher article on printing CMYK bit maps To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <131960@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: ECD Computers, Holland. +31703072040/Fax+31703072050 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id IAB06052 On Tue 22 Aug, David Pilling wrote: >=20 > Hi, >=20 > There is an article in the latest issue of Acorn Publisher which > discusses printing CMYK bit maps to composite PostScript > (i.e. as opposed to separations). My experience is that when I print directly to my QMS 330 256-colour bitmaps are ok in RGB format, but when I send the same =9Ele (being it PDF or printed PostScript) to be processed by a typesettingburo, the pictures have to be converted into CYMK, which I do with Photodesk 3. This gives excellent results. =20 Met vriendelijke groet / Kind regards, Andre van den Berg -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 22 14:47:40 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA131980 for opro ; Tue, 22 Aug 100 14:47:38 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 966936020:10:21990:18; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 09:20:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1022052; 22 Aug 2000 9:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA06243 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 09:17:22 +0100 Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk [137.205.192.30]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA06240 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 09:17:19 +0100 Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@pansy [137.205.192.19]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.10.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id e7M9Fi827908 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 10:15:44 +0100 (BST) Received: from bashley (bashley [137.205.186.91]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.10.1/8.9.3) with SMTP id e7M9Fig29826 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 10:15:44 +0100 (BST) From: "Nick Kaijaks" To: Subject: RE: Two awkward problems Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 10:14:24 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <131956@pilling.demon.co.uk> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Keith Bamford [kbamford@eurobell.co.uk] wrote: > >I have always disliked intensely the change in OP to strip > > spaces at the end of lines. I have said so several times > > to David but he said it was by popular demand. > > I suppose what you should do is end the previous line with a new line code > (shift+return) then you can shift your text. Personally, I think that the benefit of avoiding *accidental* double spaces at the end of lines outweighs the ability to space across within a line, particularly when a simple shift-return gives you exactly that ability back again. I once had a document published where I'd managed to put in extra spaces at the end of a couple of lines, and when the text reflowed after editing, the result was some ugly gaps in my otherwise nicely justified text. > Some would probably say shfting text with spaces is not > typologically sound, > obviously you could then use a style to do this. I'm probably one of those people ;-) There are ways of shifting text across (e.g. overlapping frames, styles with left indents and even tabs) which are much safer. After all, it only takes a decision to change the point size, font or frame width, and your carefully spaced-alignment can easily be shot to pieces. A left indent style (with line-scope) lets you control the layout to pinpoint accuracy at a single keystroke, regardless of font used, and you can ensure consistency throughout a document. If you want to set an indent for a section separately, it's still only a single keypress to get the 'format text' dialogue. As an alternative, if you're content with hitting the space key to do indenting, then I guess that an extra shift-return isn't much extra to pay for that odd occasion. All IMHO, of course. Cheers, Nick -- Nick Kaijaks, Pinxit Design - Information Design for Internet and print http://www.kaijaks.co.uk/ mailto:nick@kaijaks.co.uk Disclaimer: caveat internettor -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 22 20:56:55 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132008 for opro ; Tue, 22 Aug 100 20:56:49 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 966973476:20:27820:33; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 19:44:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2027583; 22 Aug 2000 19:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA07490 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 19:39:07 +0100 Received: from murphys.core.plus.net ([212.159.14.225]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA07487 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 19:39:05 +0100 Received: (qmail 26111 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2000 19:37:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (212.159.21.22) by 212.159.14.225 with SMTP; 22 Aug 2000 19:37:00 -0000 Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 12:53:25 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: Adding Pages by overflow. To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <80256942.00356BB6.00@buffer1.HQ.quantel> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Mon 21 Aug, andy.ling@quantel.com wrote: > > > I'm trying to recreate a service sheet I produce regularly in Impression > > with Ovation Pro. This is an A4 sheet folded lengthways to produce a > > long and slim sheet. > > > I need a two column Master page with links set to go from left to right > > and then on to the next side so that the columns become, in order, pages > > 2 & 3 and pages 4 & 1, so that once printed everything is in order. > > I would have thought you would be better to define a new page size which > is half the width of A4 with a single column. If you link this to itself > you will then get new pages added as the text overflows. > > Then when you come to print it, use the pamphlet mode to fit multiple > pages onto a single A4 sheet. There are various options to get it > to print pages 1 & 4 on one side and 2 & 3 on the other > > HTH > > Andy Ling > I'm definitely with Andy Ling on this one. But if you (Andy McMullon) must work with 2 column pages try setting up as you describe and add a frame over the column for Page 1 which is exactly the same size, this will force text to flow to the next available column and not be linked so you can do the cover separately. Does the cover change much? if not I'd consider making your template a write protected document with everything ready. Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Aug 23 13:54:12 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132035 for opro ; Wed, 23 Aug 100 13:54:11 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 967021316:20:11022:17; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 09:01:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2010249; 23 Aug 2000 9:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA09113 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 08:58:17 +0100 Received: from mutt.eurobell.net (qmailr@mutt.eurobell.net [212.24.65.70]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA09110 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 08:58:15 +0100 Received: (qmail 7825 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2000 08:56:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kbamford.eurobell.co.uk) (212.24.66.83) by mutt.eurobell.net with SMTP; 23 Aug 2000 08:56:54 -0000 Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 09:51:04 +0100 (BST) From: Keith Bamford Subject: RO4 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I may have missed previous discussions on this, but could someone tell me what changes or precautions are needed regarding OPro if I upgrade to RO4 and an APDL turbo SA cards? I have SA RPc 3.7. Thanks Keith -- Keith Bamford mail to: kbamford@roada.org.uk Why not visit http://www.wyg-roada.org.uk http://www.roada.org.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Aug 23 13:56:34 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132044 for opro ; Wed, 23 Aug 100 13:56:32 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 967020184:10:24130:15; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 08:43:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1108441; 23 Aug 2000 8:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA08998 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 08:40:29 +0100 Received: from mutt.eurobell.net (qmailr@mutt.eurobell.net [212.24.65.70]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA08995 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 08:40:27 +0100 Received: (qmail 5181 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2000 08:39:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kbamford.eurobell.co.uk) (212.24.66.162) by mutt.eurobell.net with SMTP; 23 Aug 2000 08:39:06 -0000 Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 09:29:16 +0100 (BST) From: Keith Bamford Subject: Two awkward problems To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Thanks to those contributors who have offered comment and suggestions on this post of mine. I appreciate the advice and will try it out. Keith -- Keith Bamford mail to: kbamford@roada.org.uk Why not visit http://www.wyg-roada.org.uk http://www.roada.org.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Aug 23 15:05:53 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132053 for opro ; Wed, 23 Aug 100 15:05:50 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 967037127:20:26722:16; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 13:25:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2026560; 23 Aug 2000 13:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA09711 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 13:09:55 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA09704 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 13:09:53 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13RaGV-0003i1-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 13:08:24 +0000 Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 14:01:20 GMT Message-Id: <132049@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: RO4 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I may have missed previous discussions on this, but could someone tell me >what changes or precautions are needed regarding OPro if I upgrade to RO4 There's a file on the Ovation Pro resources page on my web site that describes RISC OS 4 problems and solutions. In short if you have the latest version of OPro and the latest transloaders there are no problems. >and an APDL turbo SA cards? I have SA RPc 3.7. That represents no change, one SA for another. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Aug 23 15:07:08 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132057 for opro ; Wed, 23 Aug 100 15:07:05 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 967038597:10:00062:24; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 13:49:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1125457; 23 Aug 2000 13:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA09854 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 13:45:18 +0100 Received: from mail2.svr.pol.co.uk (mail2.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.210]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA09851 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 13:45:16 +0100 Received: from modem-48.lunar-wrasse.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.38.176] helo=magray.freeserve.co.uk) by mail2.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 13Raoh-0002q7-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 14:43:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 14:13:21 +0100 Subject: Re: RO4 Message-ID: <49f295dc6drayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Keith Bamford wrote: > I may have missed previous discussions on this, but could someone tell > me what changes or precautions are needed regarding OPro if I upgrade > to RO4 and an APDL turbo SA cards? I have SA RPc 3.7. You will only need to reinstall OP when you change the disc format to the new long filename one (which requires a backup and reformat). Upgrading to SA or RISC OS 4 in themselves doesn't involve anything concerning OP as it will be working off the same drive. If you do backup and reinstall your hard drive after reformatting it, you will need to reinstall it - which means going back to the original discs of either 2.52 or 2.46 (depending on what you were originally supplied with). The only file that needs updating is !Runimage, so the quickest way to do it is to reinstall from original discs, but only a basic install. Then update this copy using the various updates until you reach your current version number. Then rename the !Runimage of your working copy to !Runimage2 or similar. Finally, copy the !Runimage from your reinstalled version into the working copy. Doing it this way means that you don't have to redo all your configuration settings etc. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 020 8864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Aug 23 17:47:48 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132067 for opro ; Wed, 23 Aug 100 17:47:40 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 967046150:10:25461:17; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 15:55:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1113273; 23 Aug 2000 15:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA10263 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 15:50:38 +0100 Received: from hoemail2.firewall.lucent.com (hoemail2.lucent.com [192.11.226.163]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA10260 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 15:50:27 +0100 Received: from hoemail2.firewall.lucent.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hoemail2.firewall.lucent.com (Pro-8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA14355 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 11:49:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uk0006exch001h.wins.lucent.com (h135-86-160-150.lucent.com [135.86.160.150]) by hoemail2.firewall.lucent.com (Pro-8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA14338 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 11:48:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by uk0006exch001h.uk.lucent.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 16:48:58 +0100 Message-ID: <475FF955A05DD411980D00508B6D5FB003F8DE@en0033exch001u.uk.lucent.com> From: "Howe, Christopher Ian (Chris)" To: "'ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk'" Subject: RE: RO4 Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 16:48:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R As below with the obscure caveat that I had an old 4x ATAPI CD ROM with some old Alsystems driver software that became unreliable after the RO4/SA upgrade. So unless one has the new CD-version of Ovation and an old CD driver, no problems anticipated! Also I needed a new version of ARCFS *reader* (freely available, for example on the APDL magazine disc) since my old ArcFSR/W crashed the filer on SA. Maybe you have some documents in archives? > ---------- > From: Ray Dawson[SMTP > Reply To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk > Sent: 23 August 2000 14:13 > To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk > Subject: Re: RO4 > > Keith Bamford wrote: > > > I may have missed previous discussions on this, but could someone tell > > me what changes or precautions are needed regarding OPro if I upgrade > > to RO4 and an APDL turbo SA cards? I have SA RPc 3.7. > > You will only need to reinstall OP when you change the disc format to the > new long filename one (which requires a backup and reformat). > > Upgrading to SA or RISC OS 4 in themselves doesn't involve anything > concerning OP as it will be working off the same drive. > > If you do backup and reinstall your hard drive after reformatting it, you > will need to reinstall it - which means going back to the original discs > of either 2.52 or 2.46 (depending on what you were originally supplied > with). > > The only file that needs updating is !Runimage, so the quickest way to do > it is to reinstall from original discs, but only a basic install. Then > update this copy using the various updates until you reach your current > version number. Then rename the !Runimage of your working copy to > !Runimage2 or similar. Finally, copy the !Runimage from your reinstalled > version into the working copy. > > Doing it this way means that you don't have to redo all your > configuration settings etc. > > Cheers, > > Ray D > > -- > > .===================================. > | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 020 8864 7208 > | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk > '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message > -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Aug 23 17:47:49 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132066 for opro ; Wed, 23 Aug 100 17:47:40 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 967048495:20:02337:46; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 16:34:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2003256; 23 Aug 2000 16:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA10416 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 16:29:42 +0100 Received: from mutt.eurobell.net (qmailr@mutt.eurobell.net [212.24.65.70]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA10413 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 16:29:40 +0100 Received: (qmail 11424 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2000 16:28:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kbamford.eurobell.co.uk) (212.24.66.84) by mutt.eurobell.net with SMTP; 23 Aug 2000 16:28:21 -0000 Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 17:27:15 +0100 (BST) From: Keith Bamford Subject: Re: RO4 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <132049@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Wed 23 Aug, David Pilling wrote: > > >I may have missed previous discussions on this, but could someone tell me > >what changes or precautions are needed regarding OPro if I upgrade to RO4 > > There's a file on the Ovation Pro resources page on my web site that > describes RISC OS 4 problems and solutions. Thanks very much David as always for your helpful reply. Regards Keith -- Keith Bamford mail to: kbamford@roada.org.uk Why not visit http://www.wyg-roada.org.uk http://www.roada.org.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Aug 23 17:48:05 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132068 for opro ; Wed, 23 Aug 100 17:47:53 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 967048417:10:13370:21; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 16:33:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1126174; 23 Aug 2000 16:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA10412 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 16:29:39 +0100 Received: from mutt.eurobell.net (qmailr@mutt.eurobell.net [212.24.65.70]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA10408 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 16:29:37 +0100 Received: (qmail 11416 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2000 16:28:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kbamford.eurobell.co.uk) (212.24.66.84) by mutt.eurobell.net with SMTP; 23 Aug 2000 16:28:19 -0000 Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 17:25:42 +0100 (BST) From: Keith Bamford Subject: Re: RO4 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <49f295dc6drayd@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Wed 23 Aug, Ray Dawson wrote: > Keith Bamford wrote: > > > I may have missed previous discussions on this, but could someone tell > > me what changes or precautions are needed regarding OPro if I upgrade > > to RO4 and an APDL turbo SA cards? I have SA RPc 3.7. > > You will only need to reinstall OP when you change the disc format to the > new long filename one (which requires a backup and reformat). Many thanks for your help, Ray, Much appreciated. Keith -- Keith Bamford mail to: kbamford@roada.org.uk Why not visit http://www.wyg-roada.org.uk http://www.roada.org.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Aug 23 21:20:39 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132072 for opro ; Wed, 23 Aug 100 21:20:26 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 967049840:20:29805:25; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 16:57:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2118236; 23 Aug 2000 16:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA10581 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 16:52:48 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA10578 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 16:52:46 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13RdjS-0001CN-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 16:50:30 +0000 Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 17:48:56 GMT Message-Id: <132069@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: RE: RO4 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Also I needed a new version of ARCFS *reader* (freely available, for example >on the APDL magazine disc) since my old ArcFSR/W crashed the filer on SA. Surely you use SparkFS for reading ArcFS archives... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Aug 24 13:07:58 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132103 for opro ; Thu, 24 Aug 100 13:07:55 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 967103547:20:21966:16; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 07:52:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2120222; 24 Aug 2000 7:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA12357 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 07:48:23 +0100 Received: from saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk (saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk [147.143.102.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA12354 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 07:48:21 +0100 Received: from sees.bangor.ac.uk (nfcrpc7.sees.bangor.ac.uk [147.143.6.182]) by saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA85953 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 08:46:56 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from kerslake@sees.bangor.ac.uk) Message-ID: <39A4D2EF.27EBBE57@sees.bangor.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 08:46:55 +0100 From: "John P. Kerslake" Organization: SOI, University of Bangor X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: CD References: <132069@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Any shipping date yet? By the way will the following run on a riscstation :- CrossStar SparkFS Spell ArcFax thanks -- John Percy Kerslake B.Sc., F.B.I.S., kerslake@sees.bangor.ac.uk Web Page = http://www.sees.bangor.ac.uk/~kerslake/welcome.htm Pager =07626-235878, Work =01248-351151 ext. 2730/3850, Fax 01248-361429 Dyslexia rules K. O. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Aug 24 14:55:51 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132122 for opro ; Thu, 24 Aug 100 14:55:50 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 967123632:20:21718:17; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 13:27:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2116431; 24 Aug 2000 13:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA13094 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 13:17:10 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA13091 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 13:17:08 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13Rwr3-0009yb-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 13:15:37 +0000 Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 13:11:56 GMT Message-Id: <132111@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: CD X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Any shipping date yet? No, sorry. I suppose though its progress that the next thing will be to announce a date. Just a matter of sorting out things like packaging at the moment. >By the way will the following run on a riscstation :- >CrossStar >SparkFS >Spell >ArcFax Yes I'm not aware of any compatability problems (with anything of mine) and Riscstation. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Aug 24 19:44:03 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132127 for opro ; Thu, 24 Aug 100 19:44:01 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 967133130:10:23892:24; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 16:05:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1023518; 24 Aug 2000 16:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA13525 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 15:57:31 +0100 Received: from widukind.bi.teuto.net (IDENT:root@widukind.bi.teuto.net [212.8.197.28]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA13522 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 15:57:29 +0100 Received: from shelley (p3E9BF88A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [62.155.248.138]) by widukind.bi.teuto.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA20854 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 17:56:03 +0200 Received: from uff411.ucs.de (212.108.202.179) by shelley.ucs.de; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 14:55:54 +0200 Received: from kaskaskia.ucs.de by uff411.ucs.de; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 14:56:33 +0200 Received: from martinv by kaskaskia.ucs.de with local (RemoteNB 1.08beta2) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; 24 Aug 2000 14:56:31 +0200 Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 14:56:31 +0200 From: Martin Vethake To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: RE: RO4 Message-ID: References: <475FF955A05DD411980D00508B6D5FB003F8DE@en0033exch001u.uk.lucent.com> In-Reply-To: <475FF955A05DD411980D00508B6D5FB003F8DE@en0033exch001u.uk.lucent.com> X-Organization: U C S User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10 (RemoteNB/1.08beta2) (RISC-OS/3.70) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Popauth-Info: 967132516 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <475FF955A05DD411980D00508B6D5FB003F8DE@en0033exch001u.uk.lucent.com> you wrote: > As below with the obscure caveat that I had an old 4x ATAPI CD ROM with some > old Alsystems driver software that became unreliable after the RO4/SA > upgrade. So unless one has the new CD-version of Ovation and an old CD > driver, no problems anticipated! > I'd suggest trying to use the CD ROM without the Alsystems driver CDFS in ROS4 supports more devices (like an old Sanyo of me). Regards -- Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Aug 24 22:38:48 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132143 for opro ; Thu, 24 Aug 100 22:38:46 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 967152991:11:29856:18; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 21:36:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1020372; 24 Aug 2000 21:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA14255 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 21:31:50 +0100 Received: from fep4-orange.clear.net.nz (fep4-orange.clear.net.nz [203.97.32.4]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA14252 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 21:31:46 +0100 Received: from ijm.clear.net.nz (x001-m004-u117.acld.clear.net.nz [203.97.31.117]) by fep4-orange.clear.net.nz (1.5/1.7) with S Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 09:31:29 +0000 (GMT) From: Ian J Melville Subject: Not strictly on any thread To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi Before my last loss of data off a hard drive I had a little !Draw utility programme to assist in drawing maps. The programme allowed one to draw a single line as a street and convert it to a double line with a variety of options. I can not remember where the he programme come from, what it is called or how I came by it. I suspect that I downloaded it. Can anyone help, please. -- Ian J. Melville RD 1 Ph/Fax +64-0-9-433-2225 Tangiteroria 0351 Cell +64-0-25-818-513 Aotearoa/New Zealand email ijm@clear.net.nz Webpage http://Ian_J_Melville.tripod.com _____________________________________________________________________________ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Aug 25 02:18:09 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132154 for opro ; Fri, 25 Aug 100 02:18:06 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 967154981:20:17801:27; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 22:09:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2017750; 24 Aug 2000 22:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA14389 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 22:03:41 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA14386 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 22:03:39 +0100 Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([158.152.204.98]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13S54d-000NfM-0Y for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 23:02:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 23:02:01 +0100 Subject: Re: Not strictly on any thread Message-ID: <49f34a1908john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Ian J Melville wrote: > Hi > Before my last loss of data off a hard drive I had a little !Draw > utility programme to assist in drawing maps. > The programme allowed one to draw a single line as a street and convert > it to a double line with a variety of options. > I can not remember where the he programme come from, what it is called > or how I came by it. I suspect that I downloaded it. > Can anyone help, please. StreetMap - Kell Gatherer Its function is duplicated in the current version of DrawWorks (New Millennium). I have a copy of StreetMap but you should be able to find it on compilation CDs. -- John Cartmell, Manchester UK Fleur Designs designer products for individuals & education services craft products ~ information products ~ information services ** New Products - a range of unique modular board games ** -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Aug 25 13:51:12 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132169 for opro ; Fri, 25 Aug 100 13:51:09 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 967189272:20:18116:15; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 07:41:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2017904; 25 Aug 2000 7:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA15707 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 07:38:36 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA15704 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 07:38:34 +0100 Received: from madwesties.demon.co.uk ([194.222.129.211]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13SE33-000BPD-0V for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 08:37:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Patricia F. Garner" To: Ovation Pro List Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 08:35:29 +0100 Subject: Check as you type Message-ID: <49f37e99abtricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hello all, Is there a way to make the spellcheck option "Check as you type" *on* by default? I have the macro ticked and had expected that meant it was permanently active but find I have to select it whenever OvPro is loaded. I am new to OvPro and still finding my way round so may well have missed something :-) Regards, -- Tricia -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Aug 25 15:00:43 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132197 for opro ; Fri, 25 Aug 100 15:00:42 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 967210746:20:06101:46; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 13:39:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2106783; 25 Aug 2000 13:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA16459 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 13:19:59 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA16454 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 13:19:57 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13SJNP-0001mH-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 13:18:31 +0000 Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 14:10:18 GMT Message-Id: <132185@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Check as you type X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Is there a way to make the spellcheck option "Check as you type" *on* by >default? Depends. If you want it always on in one document, set it and then save the document. If you want it to always be on when you create new documents, then open a document, set it on, and use the File menu 'save as default' feature. 'save as default' lets you save a stylesheet that will act as a template for all new documents you create. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Aug 25 15:01:32 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132198 for opro ; Fri, 25 Aug 100 15:01:30 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 967209791:10:22200:15; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 13:23:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1111900; 25 Aug 2000 13:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA16403 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 13:02:43 +0100 Received: from typhoon.mail.pipex.net (typhoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA16400 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 13:02:41 +0100 Received: (qmail 661 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2000 13:01:07 -0000 Received: from user1231.dialdev.pipex.com (HELO gtwyxa95@ukgateway.net) (193.132.93.231) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 2000 13:01:08 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: Ovation Pro List Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 13:01:57 +0100 Subject: Re: Check as you type Message-ID: <49f396ff0erayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <49f37e99abtricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk> References: <49f37e99abtricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Patricia F. Garner wrote: > Hello all, > Is there a way to make the spellcheck option "Check as you type" *on* > by default? I have the macro ticked and had expected that meant it was > permanently active but find I have to select it whenever OvPro is > loaded. I am new to OvPro and still finding my way round so may well > have missed something :-) Click Menu over an Ovation Pro window Misc...Spellcheck.. and click on Check as you type so that a tick appears. Then go to Menu...File...Save as Default and it will be saved as a default option with the default document. The above is relevant to quite a few options in the menus. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 020 8864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Aug 25 17:38:51 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132202 for opro ; Fri, 25 Aug 100 17:38:48 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 967220600:10:07733:15; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 16:23:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1109824; 25 Aug 2000 16:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA16989 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 16:17:05 +0100 Received: from hinge3.mistral.co.uk (hinge3.mistral.co.uk [195.184.228.58]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA16986 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 16:17:03 +0100 Received: from mistral.co.uk (d224-109.dial.mistral.co.uk [195.184.224.109]) by hinge3.mistral.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA06757 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 16:15:37 GMT (envelope-from joe_taylor@mistral.co.uk) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Joe Taylor To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 17:04:31 +0100 Subject: Converting files containing JPEGs/Sprites Message-ID: <49f3ad33e7joe_taylor@mistral.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.14i (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I produce a newsletter which is printed and distributed by post. I also want to make it available for download as a PDF file. For printing - I use Calligraph - I need the file to contain sprite images whereas for Postcript/PDF (to avoid subsequent image degradation) I need JPEGs. Is there anyway of *automating* the conversion of an OvationPro file containing JPEGs to a file containing Sprites (or vice versa)? Or does anyone have any other advice on how to solve my problem? Joe -- mailto:joe_taylor@mistral.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Aug 25 21:09:34 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132212 for opro ; Fri, 25 Aug 100 21:09:32 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 967229003:11:28825:15; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 18:43:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1128762; 25 Aug 2000 18:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA17529 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 18:40:15 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA17526 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 18:40:13 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13SONI-000Jmc-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 18:38:44 +0000 Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 19:32:36 GMT Message-Id: <132205@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Converting files containing JPEGs/Sprites X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >For printing - I use Calligraph - I need the file to contain sprite >images whereas for Postcript/PDF (to avoid subsequent image >degradation) I need JPEGs. One idea is to set up the document with referenced pictures. Say you put all your sprites into a folder 'Pixs' and create the document. Then have another folder JPEGs with the JPEG images in with the same names. You can then (whilst the document is closed) rename Pixs to Sprites and JPEGs to Pixs. That will probably do the trick. You could take this one step further, it involves programming, and set up reference paths that change form depending on the currently active printer driver. Finally I suppose there are variations on the theme of printing just PS/PDF and then using another program to render them to the Caligraph. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Aug 25 22:12:16 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132217 for opro ; Fri, 25 Aug 100 22:12:14 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 967236681:20:06627:25; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 20:51:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2008996; 25 Aug 2000 20:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA17847 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 20:48:21 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA17844 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 20:48:19 +0100 Received: from tab1.demon.co.uk ([194.222.128.184]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13SQNK-000MuP-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 20:46:54 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mick Burrell To: Ovation Pro List Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 21:44:09 +0100 Subject: Re: Check as you type Message-ID: <49f3c6ce09mick@tab1.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <49f37e99abtricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk> References: <49f37e99abtricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.01f (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <49f37e99abtricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk>, Patricia F. Garner wrote: > Hello all, > Is there a way to make the spellcheck option "Check as you type" *on* > by default? I have the macro ticked and had expected that meant it was > permanently active but find I have to select it whenever OvPro is > loaded. Two ways : For one document, set it on (Misc, Spellcheck, Check as you type) and save the document. For all documents, set it on as above (set any other preferences you may have) but then use File, Save as default. All new documents will then start with all your preferences set. Regards, -- Mick Burrell -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Aug 26 13:13:22 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132228 for opro ; Sat, 26 Aug 100 13:13:21 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 967272387:10:19454:15; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 06:46:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1125348; 26 Aug 2000 6:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA18965 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 06:36:57 +0100 Received: from murphys-outbound.servers.plus.net ([212.159.14.225]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA18962 for ; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 06:36:54 +0100 Received: (qmail 28875 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2000 06:34:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (212.159.20.134) by 212.159.14.225 with SMTP; 26 Aug 2000 06:34:51 -0000 Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 20:14:27 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: Converting files containing JPEGs/Sprites To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <132205@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Fri 25 Aug, David Pilling wrote: > > >For printing - I use Calligraph - I need the file to contain sprite > >images whereas for Postcript/PDF (to avoid subsequent image > >degradation) I need JPEGs. > > One idea is to set up the document with referenced pictures. > Say you put all your sprites into a folder 'Pixs' and > create the document. Then have another folder JPEGs with > the JPEG images in with the same names. You can then (whilst > the document is closed) rename Pixs to Sprites and JPEGs to Pixs. > That will probably do the trick. That was my first reaction too Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Aug 26 17:06:25 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132244 for opro ; Sat, 26 Aug 100 17:06:20 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 967301326:10:23058:15; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 14:48:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1023010; 26 Aug 2000 14:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA19966 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 14:44:22 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA19963 for ; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 14:44:20 +0100 Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13ShAc-0005PH-0Y for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 15:42:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 15:39:36 +0100 Subject: solving crossword clues Message-ID: <49f42943b8Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.01g (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Can the OvPro spell check be used to find plausible words that fit a wild-carded template, eg can you specify something like c*w or c?w and then see a list like: caw cow -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Aug 26 17:06:31 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132246 for opro ; Sat, 26 Aug 100 17:06:30 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 967304892:11:00514:15; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 15:48:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1100468; 26 Aug 2000 15:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA20103 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 15:10:29 +0100 Received: from cmailg6.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg6.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.176]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA20100 for ; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 15:10:27 +0100 Received: from modem-238.connecticut.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.58.238] helo=seador.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailg6.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 13ShZu-0006U5-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 16:09:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Chris Dawson." To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 16:07:43 +0100 Subject: Shadow Text Message-ID: <49f42bd6e0chris.dawson@aaug.net> In-Reply-To: <49f34a1908john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> References: <49f34a1908john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hi Folks, I'm new to Opro, but a long time Impression user. I'm trying to produce shadow text (Black front and Grey shadow) which is easily editable, I tried kerning, without much success. In Impression I would have had who frames overlaid with the top transparent and with black text over the grey. Is there an easy way of achieving the same effect in Opro? Thanks. -- Chris... -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Aug 26 17:36:52 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132251 for opro ; Sat, 26 Aug 100 17:36:50 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 967307522:10:22882:18; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 16:32:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1112369; 26 Aug 2000 16:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA20371 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 16:14:52 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA20368 for ; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 16:14:50 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13Sia8-000BuP-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 16:13:20 +0000 Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 17:07:31 GMT Message-Id: <132247@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: solving crossword clues X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Can the OvPro spell check be used to find plausible words that fit a >wild-carded template, eg can you specify something like c*w or c?w and >then see a list like: caw cow No. Funnily enough though you can buy a dedicated Crossword puzzle solving program - CrossStar from my web site. Also on my web site (for free) is the MicroSpell spell check module which does support wild card searches. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Aug 26 17:36:52 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132252 for opro ; Sat, 26 Aug 100 17:36:50 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 967306391:20:00073:19; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 16:13:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2114929; 26 Aug 2000 16:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA20129 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 15:13:49 +0100 Received: from cmailg6.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg6.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.176]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA20126 for ; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 15:13:46 +0100 Received: from modem-238.connecticut.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.58.238] helo=seador.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailg6.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 13Shd8-0007Gg-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 16:12:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Chris Dawson." To: Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 16:12:59 +0100 Subject: Speak. Message-ID: <49f42c5255chris.dawson@aaug.net> References: <49f34a1908john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <49f34a1908john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi Folks, Is there any way of getting Speak start at a given point when using Opro? At the moment when I press the Speak button it always starts from the top. Thanks. -- Chris... -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Aug 26 17:36:55 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132253 for opro ; Sat, 26 Aug 100 17:36:53 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 967307525:10:23043:15; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 16:32:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1112439; 26 Aug 2000 16:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA20366 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 16:14:49 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA20363 for ; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 16:14:47 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13SiaA-000BuP-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 16:13:22 +0000 Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 17:09:43 GMT Message-Id: <132249@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Shadow Text X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I'm trying to produce shadow text (Black front and Grey shadow) which is >easily editable, I tried kerning, without much success. In Impression I >would have had who frames overlaid with the top transparent and with black >text over the grey. Obviously you can use the same technique with OPro as you would have done with Impression. (Frames can have their fill colour set to transparent). I can't think of a better way. As you say you probably could do it with kerning and text colour changes, but very messy, and not easy to automate because the amount of kerning is different for each letter. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 29 17:39:07 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132266 for opro ; Tue, 29 Aug 100 17:39:03 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 967317800:11:18847:15; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 19:23:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1118817; 26 Aug 2000 19:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA20975 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 19:19:44 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA20972 for ; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 19:19:42 +0100 Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13SlT6-000P1X-0Y for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 20:18:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 20:17:08 +0100 Subject: Re: solving crossword clues Message-ID: <49f442acaaJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <132247@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <132247@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.01g (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 26 Aug, David Pilling wrote: > >Can the OvPro spell check be used to find plausible words that fit a > >wild-carded template, eg can you specify something like c*w or c?w and > >then see a list like: caw cow > No. Funnily enough though you can buy a dedicated Crossword puzzle > solving program - CrossStar from my web site. OK, order is in the post... > Also on my web site (for free) is the MicroSpell spell check module > which does support wild card searches. > David Pilling -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 29 17:39:13 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132267 for opro ; Tue, 29 Aug 100 17:39:09 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 967319113:20:05240:15; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 19:45:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2005108; 26 Aug 2000 19:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA21100 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 19:42:48 +0100 Received: from planet.ak.planet.gen.nz (planet.ak.planet.gen.nz [202.20.65.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA21097 for ; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 19:42:44 +0100 Received: from Pzed.ak.planet.gen.nz (as5200-09.ak.planet.gen.nz [202.20.65.139]) by planet.ak.planet.gen.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA04497 for ; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 07:41:17 +1200 (NZST) Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 07:41:13 +1300 (GMT) From: David Love Subject: Printing problems ... To: OvationPro User Group Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Can someone tell my why a ten page document, each page consisting of a !Sprite in a frame (full A4 size) will not print in OP but gives an error message "Not enough memory"? The !Sprites are quite large (ranging from 1.12 MB to 1.48MB) so I increased the Print memory slot to 1.63 MB in the Print Choices dialogue box. It still returned the same error message. Conversely, I was able to print using !Publisher. Any thoughts, anyone? David -- All political parties die at last of swallowing their own lies (John Arbuthnot (1657-1735 - Scottish physician and political pamphleteer) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 29 17:39:18 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132269 for opro ; Tue, 29 Aug 100 17:39:15 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 967329952:20:25954:18; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 22:45:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2024365; 26 Aug 2000 22:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA21558 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 22:34:59 +0100 Received: from mail1.svr.pol.co.uk (mail1.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.18]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA21555 for ; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 22:34:57 +0100 Received: from modem-34.naso-tang.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.41.34] helo=magray.freeserve.co.uk) by mail1.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 13SoW3-0005rZ-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 23:33:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 17:03:50 +0100 Subject: Re: Shadow Text Message-ID: <49f430f9d3rayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <49f42bd6e0chris.dawson@aaug.net> References: <49f34a1908john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <49f42bd6e0chris.dawson@aau User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Chris Dawson. wrote: > Hi Folks, > I'm new to Opro, but a long time Impression user. > I'm trying to produce shadow text (Black front and Grey shadow) which > is easily editable, I tried kerning, without much success. In > Impression I would have had who frames overlaid with the top > transparent and with black text over the grey. > Is there an easy way of achieving the same effect in Opro? Exactly the same way. Make the frame transparent by setting Object...Modify...Fillcolour...Transparent Duplicate the frame, then set the text colour to grey in one of them and bring the other to the front. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 020 8864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 29 17:39:22 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132271 for opro ; Tue, 29 Aug 100 17:39:20 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 967374803:20:05085:24; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 11:13:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2113429; 27 Aug 2000 11:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA23068 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 11:09:46 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA23065 for ; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 11:09:43 +0100 Received: from madwesties.demon.co.uk ([194.222.129.211]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13T0IU-000An7-0X for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 12:08:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Patricia F. Garner" To: Ovation Pro List Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 11:42:43 +0100 Subject: Re: Check as you type Message-ID: <49f41393fdtricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <49f3c6ce09mick@tab1.demon.co.uk> References: <49f3c6ce09mick@tab1.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Thanks to David, Ray and Mick for the info, also for not saying RTFM :-) Regards, -- Tricia -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 29 17:39:36 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132275 for opro ; Tue, 29 Aug 100 17:39:32 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 967416059:20:09201:30; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 22:40:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2013330; 27 Aug 2000 22:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA24524 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 22:32:26 +0100 Received: from teapot28.domain6.bigpond.com (teapot28.domain6.bigpond.com [139.134.5.197]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA24521 for ; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 22:32:21 +0100 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by teapot28.domain6.bigpond.com (NTMail 3.02.13) with ESMTP id ta701031 for Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Urban Promotions, http://www.users.bigpond.con/urban1 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sat 26 Aug, Jeremy C B Nicoll wrote: > On 26 Aug, David Pilling wrote: > > > >Can the OvPro spell check be used to find plausible words that fit a > > >wild-carded template, eg can you specify something like c*w or c?w and > > >then see a list like: caw cow > > > No. Funnily enough though you can buy a dedicated Crossword puzzle > > solving program - CrossStar from my web site. > OK, order is in the post... > > > Also on my web site (for free) is the MicroSpell spell check module > > which does support wild card searches. > I use !spellmaster it has anagrams, wild cards, and others Works for me -- Regards - Allan Butler, Urban Promotions, http://www.users.bigpond.com/urban1, urban1@bigpond.com 61 3 9355 7959. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 29 17:40:02 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132283 for opro ; Tue, 29 Aug 100 17:40:00 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 967404271:11:18911:15; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 19:24:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1027976; 27 Aug 2000 19:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA24065 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 19:15:36 +0100 Received: from cmailg6.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg6.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.176]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA24062 for ; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 19:15:33 +0100 Received: from modem-103.california.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.56.103] helo=seador.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailg6.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 13T7sb-0008NI-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 20:14:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Chris Dawson." To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 20:02:15 +0100 Subject: Re: Shadow Text Message-ID: <49f4c52599chris.dawson@aaug.net> In-Reply-To: <49f430f9d3rayd@argonet.co.uk> References: <49f34a1908john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <49f42bd6e0chris.dawson@aau User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 26 Aug, Ray Dawson wrote: > Chris Dawson. wrote: > > I'm trying to produce shadow text (Black front and Grey shadow) which > > is easily editable, I tried kerning, without much success. In > > Impression I would have had who frames overlaid with the top > > transparent and with black text over the grey. > > Is there an easy way of achieving the same effect in Opro? > Exactly the same way. > Make the frame transparent by setting > Object...Modify...Fillcolour...Transparent > Duplicate the frame, then set the text colour to grey in one of them and > bring the other to the front. Thanks Ray I had a little trouble fine tuning the X and Y positioning, but got there in the end. Cheers, -- Chris... -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 29 17:40:46 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132297 for opro ; Tue, 29 Aug 100 17:40:39 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 967468379:11:09674:28; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 13:12:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1023162; 28 Aug 2000 13:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA26240 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 13:05:35 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA26237 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 13:05:33 +0100 Received: from userax80.uk.uudial.com (62.188.139.71) [62.188.139.71] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13TOa7-0003Qu-00; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 14:04:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: William McNee To: Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 13:50:56 +0100 Subject: Re: Speak. Message-ID: <49f526fd0dw-mcnee@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <49f42c5255chris.dawson@aaug.net> References: <49f34a1908john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <49f42c5255chris.dawson@aau User-Agent: Pluto/2.01i (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <49f42c5255chris.dawson@aaug.net>, Chris Dawson. wrote: > Hi Folks, > Is there any way of getting Speak start at a given point when using Opro? > > At the moment when I press the Speak button it always starts from the top. > Thanks. Position the carat where you want Speak to start from, then click on the Speak button. William -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | /Charmed I'm sure... | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ w-mcnee@argonet.co.uk 162MB SARPC 20GBHD RISC OS 4.02 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 29 17:41:13 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132306 for opro ; Tue, 29 Aug 100 17:41:11 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 967535276:10:19559:16; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 07:47:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1019481; 29 Aug 2000 7:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA28395 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 07:42:36 +0100 Received: from saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk (saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk [147.143.102.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA28392 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 07:42:33 +0100 Received: from sees.bangor.ac.uk (nfcrpc7.sees.bangor.ac.uk [147.143.6.182]) by saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA09732 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 08:40:59 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from kerslake@sees.bangor.ac.uk) Message-ID: <39AB690B.B9FFEC49@sees.bangor.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 08:40:59 +0100 From: "John P. Kerslake" Organization: SOI, University of Bangor X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Purchasing ArcFax & SparkFS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro What address do I send the cheque to? -- John Percy Kerslake B.Sc., F.B.I.S., kerslake@sees.bangor.ac.uk Web Page = http://www.sees.bangor.ac.uk/~kerslake/welcome.htm Pager =07626-235878, Work =01248-351151 ext. 2730/3850, Fax 01248-361429 Dyslexia rules K. O. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 29 17:41:40 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132312 for opro ; Tue, 29 Aug 100 17:41:36 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 967560614:11:27058:15; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 14:50:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1126914; 29 Aug 2000 14:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA29355 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 14:44:19 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA29352 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 14:44:17 +0100 Received: from mk-net.demon.co.uk ([194.222.12.18] helo=Dell_p450.mk-net.demon.co.uk) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13TmbA-000PZM-0U for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 15:42:49 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 14:38:22 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: Tony van der Hoff Subject: Re: Converting files containing JPEGs/Sprites References: <132205@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <132205@pilling.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 U Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R David, My mail client sorts messages by time sent. I frequently see responses to your postings earlier in the list than your original message, which, whilst not critical, is on occasions somewhat confusing. For instance: In message , Anthony Hilton writes >Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 20:14:27 +0100 (BST) >From: Anthony Hilton >Subject: Re: Converting files containing JPEGs/Sprites >To: Ovation Pro List >In-Reply-To: <132205@pilling.demon.co.uk> >Message-ID: >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII >X-Organization: >X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] >Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk >Precedence: bulk >Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk >X-maillist: ovationpro >> One idea is to set up the document with referenced pictures. >> Say you put all your sprites into a folder 'Pixs' and >> create the document. Then have another folder JPEGs with >> the JPEG images in with the same names. You can then (whilst >> the document is closed) rename Pixs to Sprites and JPEGs to Pixs. >> That will probably do the trick. > >That was my first reaction too > >Anthony Hilton in response to: In message <132205@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling writes > >Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) > by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) > id 13SONI-000Jmc-0C > for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 18:38:44 +0000 >Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 19:32:36 GMT >Message-Id: <132205@pilling.demon.co.uk> >From:(David Pilling) >To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk >Subject: Re: Converting files containing JPEGs/Sprites >X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 >Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk >Precedence: bulk >Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk >X-maillist: ovationpro > >One idea is to set up the document with referenced pictures. >Say you put all your sprites into a folder 'Pixs' and It looks like you posted a message at 19:32 GMT which was received by Demon nearly an hour earlier, and to which Anthony Hilton responded at 19:14 GMT. Whilst your ability to write and maintain an excellent DTP package is undisputed, I think maybe your attempts to emulate Dr. Who are a bit over- ambitious ;-) Tony -- Tony van der Hoff | Mailto:tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk | Mailto:avanderhoff@iee.org Buckinghamshire, England | http:www.mk-net.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 29 17:41:43 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132313 for opro ; Tue, 29 Aug 100 17:41:41 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 967562903:11:20181:15; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 15:28:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1119932; 29 Aug 2000 15:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA29507 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 15:08:38 +0100 Received: from cmailg5.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg5.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.175]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA29504 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 15:08:36 +0100 Received: from modem-60.sodium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.10.60] helo=lcessford) by cmailg5.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 13Tmyl-0007vC-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 16:07:11 +0100 Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 16:07:18 +0100 From: Alex Cessford To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Purchasing ArcFax & SparkFS Message-ID: References: <39AB690B.B9FFEC49@sees.bangor.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <39AB690B.B9FFEC49@sees.bangor.ac.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.03) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <39AB690B.B9FFEC49@sees.bangor.ac.uk> you wrote: > What address do I send the cheque to? David Pilling P. O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool FY5 1LR -- Alex. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Aug 30 03:07:56 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132369 for opro ; Wed, 30 Aug 100 03:07:54 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 967599039:10:23392:16; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 01:30:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1124804; 30 Aug 2000 1:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA30789 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 01:28:37 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA26154 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 12:23:17 +0100 Received: from userbl59.uk.uudial.com (62.188.144.166) [62.188.144.166] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13TNvD-0002Kh-00; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 13:21:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Hooker To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 12:21:15 +0100 Subject: Hard Disk crash and consequences Message-ID: <49f51ec6d6john.hooker@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.14e (RISC-OS/4.03) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro This weekend I had a major HD crash which meant I had to go out and buy a new drive :( My backup of Ovation Pro was on a SCSI drive in compressed format. Luckily I had backed it up hours before the crash. Decompressing the backup onto the new drive then running OvPro gives the message : 'This program was not installed onto this device originally. Drag its icon to the Program Installation window to update it.' This seemed fair enough, so I got out the original OvPro floppy disk 1 and did just that, but that has produced the message : 'Please use the copy of the Install supplied with that program' I'm loathe to re-install OvPro as the disk version is 2.46 and the version I was using before the crash was around 2.57! So, how do I reactivate my backup of Ovation Pro without downloading the upgrade again? John -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Aug 30 03:07:57 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132368 for opro ; Wed, 30 Aug 100 03:07:54 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 967599042:20:10236:23; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 01:30:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2010100; 30 Aug 2000 1:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA30793 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 01:28:40 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA30788 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 01:28:37 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13Twem-0006CW-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 01:27:13 +0000 Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 23:36:28 GMT Message-Id: <132361@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Converting files containing JPEGs/Sprites X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >My mail client sorts messages by time sent. I frequently see responses to your >postings earlier in the list than your original message, which, whilst not >critical, is on occasions somewhat confusing. There's a message in my mailbox from the future... spooky. >It looks like you posted a message at 19:32 GMT which was received by Demon >nearly an hour earlier, and to which Anthony Hilton responded at 19:14 GMT. Err you're telling me that my mail transport program is not handling summer time correctly? Interestingly I'm still using KA9Q 1.20 20 Mar 1992, which is what I started using with demon in September 1992. So thats a fine example to you of keeping up to date with new versions of software. Possible solutions? Well we could wait a month until we're back on GMT and it will be all right. Or I could switch to using Outlook Express (don't click on any *.vbs files you get from me). David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Aug 30 03:08:00 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132370 for opro ; Wed, 30 Aug 100 03:07:58 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 967599045:20:10257:23; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 01:30:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2109303; 30 Aug 2000 1:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA30792 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 01:28:39 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA30784 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 01:28:35 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13Twel-0006CW-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 01:27:11 +0000 Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 23:32:17 GMT Message-Id: <132359@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Hard Disk crash and consequences X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >My backup of Ovation Pro was on a SCSI drive in compressed format. Luckily >I had backed it up hours before the crash. > 'This program was not installed onto this device originally. > Drag its icon to the Program Installation window to update it.' This doesn't work (apparently, I didn't write that bit and I've never tried it). >I'm loathe to re-install OvPro as the disk version is 2.46 and the version >I was using before the crash was around 2.57! >So, how do I reactivate my backup of Ovation Pro without downloading the >upgrade again? Install 2.46 from floppies, upgrade to 2.58, and then copy the !RunImage from the 2.58 into what you backed up (thus saving settings and configuration). David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Aug 30 14:52:46 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132374 for opro ; Wed, 30 Aug 100 14:52:43 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 967616423:11:21443:15; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 06:20:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1021666; 30 Aug 2000 6:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA31631 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 06:14:04 +0100 Received: from brainy.kiwilink.co.nz (oldbrainy.kiwilink.co.nz [203.98.52.1] (may be forged)) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA31628 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 06:13:54 +0100 Received: from timk.kiwilink.co.nz (ppp-37.kiwilink.co.nz [202.27.215.103]) by brainy.kiwilink.co.nz (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id e7U6DuJ02919 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 18:13:57 +1200 (NZST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tim King To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 18:04:16 +1200 Subject: PScript print Message-ID: <49f6096db5tim@de-sig.co.nz> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.02a (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Yet another PS print problem, hrs before a deadline. I ran 4 pgs, 2 to go, and I get this error message: Not open for update. What does it mean? I figure it's a !Printers issue and not OP, because I tried a pg from AW and got the same message, only it took pains to distance itself and point out that the error was from *outside* AW's. I've tried PS1, 2 and !Printers 53, 62, 64 & any number of resets. All the same. Printing to anything else is ok. RO4, SA etc. Tim -- Tim King... de-Sig. +64 9 478.3114 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Aug 30 14:53:02 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132378 for opro ; Wed, 30 Aug 100 14:52:55 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 967628600:20:10818:20; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 09:43:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2010343; 30 Aug 2000 9:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA32109 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 09:38:18 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA32106 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 09:38:15 +0100 Received: from mk-net.demon.co.uk ([194.222.12.18] helo=Dell_p450.mk-net.demon.co.uk) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13U4Id-0003zZ-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 09:36:51 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 08:09:31 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: Tony van der Hoff Subject: Re: Converting files containing JPEGs/Sprites References: <132361@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <132361@pilling.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 U Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <132361@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling writes > >Err you're telling me that my mail transport program is not handling >summer time correctly? > Well, either that, or, more likely, IMHO, your system clock is set for BST, instead of GMT with an offset to BST. >Interestingly I'm still using KA9Q 1.20 20 Mar 1992, which is what I started >using with demon in September 1992. So thats a fine example to you of >keeping up to date with new versions of software. > :-) >Possible solutions? Well we could wait a month until we're back on GMT >and it will be all right. Or I could switch to using Outlook Express >(don't click on any *.vbs files you get from me). > > Somehow I'd have expected you to be using a RISC OS client. But maybe that last bit was tongue-in-cheek. What's this, then: X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Anyway, if you, like myself, are stuck with using a Windows client, then I can thoroughly recommend Turnpike. As a Demon subscriber, you can get it for free. > >David Pilling > -- Tony van der Hoff | Mailto:tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk | Mailto:avanderhoff@iee.org Buckinghamshire, England | http:www.mk-net.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Aug 30 21:36:28 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132426 for opro ; Wed, 30 Aug 100 21:36:26 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 967659590:20:09366:19; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 18:19:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2009220; 30 Aug 2000 18:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA01128 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 18:17:07 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA01125 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 18:17:01 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13UCOJ-000EOz-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 18:15:15 +0000 Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 18:53:37 GMT Message-Id: <132421@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Converting files containing JPEGs/Sprites X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Somehow I'd have expected you to be using a RISC OS client. I am, ArcBM (a mailer) and KA9Q (TCP/IP). I presume one of them (its ArcBM actually) is reading the time using the wrong function and so getting the non-BST adjusted time. >that last bit was tongue-in-cheek. But I could shuffle across the room and use my PC. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Aug 30 23:13:37 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132439 for opro ; Wed, 30 Aug 100 23:13:36 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 967668959:10:29029:17; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 20:55:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1028362; 30 Aug 2000 20:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA01600 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 20:54:29 +0100 Received: from snowy.kiwilink.co.nz (snowy.kiwilink.co.nz [202.27.215.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA01597 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 20:54:22 +0100 Received: from timk.kiwilink.co.nz (ppp-34.kiwilink.co.nz [202.27.215.100]) by snowy.kiwilink.co.nz (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id e7UKorm04408 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 08:50:53 +1200 (NZST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tim King To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 08:51:15 +1200 Subject: Re: PScript print Message-ID: <49f65aa250tim@de-sig.co.nz> In-Reply-To: <49f6096db5tim@de-sig.co.nz> References: <49f6096db5tim@de-sig.co.nz> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02a (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <49f6096db5tim@de-sig.co.nz>, Tim King wrote: > and I get this error message: > Not open for update. > What does it mean? Kind of obvious when read without panic. The Printout file had got itself locked. The answer was given by John at Mijas... > I get this (or similar) problems when printing to file if I run > !Riscript on my Printout file before I print again. In this case it > is because !Riscript has locked the file. -- Tim King... de-Sig. +64 9 478.3114 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Aug 31 13:11:57 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA132459 for opro ; Thu, 31 Aug 100 13:11:55 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 967714228:20:14281:13; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 09:30:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2014195; 31 Aug 2000 9:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA03184 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 09:26:13 +0100 Received: from mail1.hw.ac.uk (mail1.hw.ac.uk [137.195.170.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA03181 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 09:26:11 +0100 Received: from punt1.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.150.23]) by mail1.hw.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13UQaU-00056A-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 10:24:46 +0100 Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk (isambard.che.hw.ac.uk [137.195.32.15]) by punt1.hw.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA04079 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 10:24:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 10:24:39 +0100 Subject: Re: PScript print Message-ID: <49f69f9c1fC.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <49f65aa250tim@de-sig.co.nz> References: <49f6096db5tim@de-sig.co.nz> <49f65aa250tim@de-sig.co.nz> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <49f65aa250tim@de-sig.co.nz>, Tim King wrote: > In article <49f6096db5tim@de-sig.co.nz>, > Tim King wrote: > > and I get this error message: > > Not open for update. > > What does it mean? > Kind of obvious when read without panic. The Printout file had got > itself locked. The answer was given by John at Mijas... > > I get this (or similar) problems when printing to file if I run > > !Riscript on my Printout file before I print again. In this case it > > is because !Riscript has locked the file. Yes - RiScript seems to keep the file open all the time it is being viewed. From memory, even when the viewer is closed, the file is still open, since simply clicking on the iconbar icon reopens the last file viewed. It is necessary to explicity close the file using the appropriate button (the little square gadget near top left) in RiScript before the file is closed. Chris -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) mailto: Chris@bulldog.u-net.com (at home) ovpro web site http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message