From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jul 1 13:59:29 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA129436 for opro ; Sat, 01 Jul 100 13:59:27 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 962413371:21:13894:16; Sat, 01 Jul 2000 01:02:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2022305; 1 Jul 2000 1:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA05928 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 1 Jul 2000 01:00:58 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA05924 for ; Sat, 1 Jul 2000 01:00:56 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 138Bdx-000Mcb-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 1 Jul 2000 01:00:25 +0000 Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 22:09:57 GMT Message-Id: <129433@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Graduated fills X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R >There seems to be a little bug left in the graduated fills, concerning high >resolution output for postscript. >If I have a linear graduated fill defined at 133 lpi, the output shows a >limited number of grades (about 16). When I change the fill to radial, >everything is fine. >By the way, on screen no difference is seen. Well on screen totally different code is being used. PS fills are generated by code in the PS output file. If I try the above then radial or linear I see gradations. However I'm kinda not surprised because if you push up the lpi figure you have less grey levels to play with. If I turn down the lpi figure, more shades of grey, then things look much better. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jul 1 13:59:31 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA129435 for opro ; Sat, 01 Jul 100 13:59:27 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 962413366:10:20860:17; Sat, 01 Jul 2000 01:02:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1103537; 1 Jul 2000 1:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA05926 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 1 Jul 2000 01:00:56 +0100 Received: from smtp03.wxs.nl (smtp03.wxs.nl [195.121.6.37]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA05445 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 20:10:59 +0100 Received: from delink.wxs.nl ([195.121.166.25]) by smtp03.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with SMTP id AAA4343 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 22:10:22 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Sprangers To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 22:07:14 +0200 Subject: Graduated fills Message-ID: <49d6ec9ce1delink@wxs.nl> User-Agent: Pluto/1.14e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Dear Mr. Pilling, There seems to be a little bug left in the graduated fills, concerning high resolution output for postscript. If I have a linear graduated fill defined at 133 lpi, the output shows a limited number of grades (about 16). When I change the fill to radial, everything is fine. By the way, on screen no difference is seen. If you can't reproduce the effect, then I can send you my file. Kind regards, Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jul 1 13:59:35 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA129437 for opro ; Sat, 01 Jul 100 13:59:32 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 962438520:20:25088:15; Sat, 01 Jul 2000 08:02:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2127755; 1 Jul 2000 8:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA07038 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 1 Jul 2000 07:58:53 +0100 Received: from widukind.bi.teuto.net (IDENT:root@widukind.bi.teuto.net [212.8.197.28]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA07035 for ; Sat, 1 Jul 2000 07:58:50 +0100 Received: from 212.108.202.178 (p3E9BFB7E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [62.155.251.126]) by widukind.bi.teuto.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA09257 for ; Sat, 1 Jul 2000 09:59:10 +0200 Message-Id: <200007010759.JAA09257@widukind.bi.teuto.net> From: Martin Vethake To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: 01 Jul 2000 07:55:56 GMT Subject: Re: Graduated fills MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: InterTalk Client 2.65 X-Popauth-Info: 962438350 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id HAB07038 In your earlier message you wrote: [snip] >There seems to be a little bug left in the graduated fills, concerning h= igh >resolution output for postscript. >If I have a linear graduated fill defined at 133 lpi, the output shows a >limited number of grades (about 16). When I change the fill to radial, >everything is fine. > Off the table a 300dpi orinter should give 9 grades at best (45=B0 scree= n angle). If You are usint a 600dpi printer the result is pretty much normal. Kind regards Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jul 1 13:59:45 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA129442 for opro ; Sat, 01 Jul 100 13:59:42 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 962446350:10:19580:15; Sat, 01 Jul 2000 10:12:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1019378; 1 Jul 2000 10:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA07365 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 1 Jul 2000 10:11:20 +0100 Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-10.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA07362 for ; Sat, 1 Jul 2000 10:11:18 +0100 Received: from [212.238.88.19] (helo=dinkla.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.14 #2) id 138KEZ-00066M-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 01 Jul 2000 10:10:47 +0000 Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 12:07:11 +0100 (BST) From: Ernst Dinkla Subject: Re: Graduated fills To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <200007010759.JAA09257@widukind.bi.teuto.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id KAA07363 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id KAB07365 In on Sat 01 Jul, Martin Vethake wrote: > In your earlier message you wrote: > [snip] > >There seems to be a little bug left in the graduated fills, concerning= high > >resolution output for postscript. > >If I have a linear graduated fill defined at 133 lpi, the output shows= a > >limited number of grades (about 16). When I change the fill to radial, > >everything is fine. > > > Off the table a 300dpi orinter should give 9 grades at best (45=B0 scr= een angle). > If You are usint a 600dpi printer the result is pretty much normal. Not what I see here. And quite in contrast with the rules. You need a grid of 16 x 16 to make 256 steps of gray. For a 600 dpi printer that means less than 40 lpi. It could be that there is also a printer dotsize range in the printer you are using like in HP's REt technology. Then the range, say 3 sizes, is another positive factor. It will make 120 lpi graduate fills possible. Ernst --=20 Ernst Dinkla Serigrafie,Zeefdruk The point will never be metr= ic -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jul 3 22:19:16 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA129468 for opro ; Mon, 03 Jul 100 22:19:15 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 962468886:10:11345:17; Sat, 01 Jul 2000 16:28:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1104353; 1 Jul 2000 16:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA08201 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 1 Jul 2000 16:20:19 +0100 Received: from smtp04.wxs.nl (smtp04.wxs.nl [195.121.6.59]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA07845 for ; Sat, 1 Jul 2000 13:16:03 +0100 Received: from delink.wxs.nl (ipc379a5ec.dial.wxs.nl [195.121.165.236]) by smtp04.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 4.05 Jun 27 2000 10:40:22) with SMTP id FX0STT01.81Q for ; Sat, 1 Jul 2000 15:15:29 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Sprangers To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 15:09:56 +0200 Subject: Graduated fills Message-ID: <49d74a3e2bdelink@wxs.nl> In-Reply-To: <129433@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <129433@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.14e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Dear all, I haven't been quite clear about the circumstances when linear gradual fills produce a worse postscript output than radial fills. Draw a simple frame. Fill it with a linear gradual fill from 0% magenta to 100% magenta. Set the screen to 133 lpi. Copy the frame. Change the linear fill of the second frame to a radial fill. Now print this file with colour separation for magenta to a file. Load this file into Ghostsview and watch the result in 16 million colours. (You can also print it on a 2400 dpi printer, if you have one). It appears that only the radial fill is equally graduated. The linear isn't. (By the way, this effect can easliy be reproduced on my 1200 dpi postscript printer, albeit at lower lpi settings (about 90). So I suppose this is something to be solved. Kind regards, Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jul 3 22:19:31 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA129471 for opro ; Mon, 03 Jul 100 22:19:27 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 962468760:21:29342:15; Sat, 01 Jul 2000 16:26:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2129065; 1 Jul 2000 16:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA08206 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 1 Jul 2000 16:20:26 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA08203 for ; Sat, 1 Jul 2000 16:20:24 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 138Pzl-000ESs-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 1 Jul 2000 16:19:54 +0000 Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 17:15:45 GMT Message-Id: <129462@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Graduated fills X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Draw a simple frame. How big, really how big is the fill is the key question. >Load this file into Ghostsview and watch the result in 16 million colours. Which of course changes the rules - many more shades of grey on such an output device. The code OP inserts in the PS is actually calculating how many levels are available, so I wonder... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jul 3 22:26:42 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA129495 for opro ; Mon, 03 Jul 100 22:26:41 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 962636348:10:10146:17; Mon, 03 Jul 2000 14:59:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1129714; 3 Jul 2000 14:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA00899 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 14:45:42 +0100 Received: from delta.barnet.ac.uk (exim@delta.barnet.ac.uk [194.82.200.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA00890 for ; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 14:45:34 +0100 Received: from teapot29.domain7.bigpond.com ([139.134.5.236]) by delta.barnet.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 3.14 #6) id 138dkD-000701-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 02 Jul 2000 07:00:46 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by teapot29.domain7.bigpond.com (NTMail 3.02.13) with ESMTP id ca147942 for MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Allan Butler, Melbourne. 03 9383 2547? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi Is there any one that coul help with using Spot colour with Drawfiles & Sprites Text is no problem but I can not do Spot colour separations with Graphic files -- General remote signature - Allan Butler, Computer Line Drawings, 33 Howard St Brunswick Vic 3056 Aust., Urban1@bigpond.com? 03 9383 2547. ? -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jul 3 22:26:59 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA129500 for opro ; Mon, 03 Jul 100 22:26:53 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 962644099:10:18046:16; Mon, 03 Jul 2000 17:08:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1017822; 3 Jul 2000 17:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA01557 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 16:58:40 +0100 Received: from merlins.force9.net (merlins.plus.net.uk [195.166.128.23]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA01554 for ; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 16:58:37 +0100 Received: (qmail 5622 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2000 17:06:58 -0000 Received: from ruin.servers.plus.net.uk (212.159.2.66) by merlins.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 3 Jul 2000 17:06:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 741 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2000 16:55:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (212.159.25.212) by ruin.servers.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 3 Jul 2000 16:55:20 -0000 Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 18:00:23 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: JPEGs - how? To: Ovation Pro List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Ovation Pro 2.58, RISCOS 3.7, ARM 610. I tried (for the first time) dropping some JPEGs into frames in Opro - nothing shows but the info palette shows it to be a picture frame. Picture-Info reports: Type JPEG Size 167Kb (for the smallest) Dimensions 3.39mm x 0mm Pixels 166572 x 0 Resolution 1249292 x 1611690824 (1249292 x 161169082) Colours 24bpp RGB Referencing and proxying doesn't make any difference to the display, and nothing printed (Kyocera postScript driver from ExpLan). What have I missed, will I be able to use these images directly in Opro or will I need to convert to sprites first. (ChangeFSI and Fresco happily display them, Draw reports Incomplete or corrupt JPEG data). Typically this is for the Church mag which is due to print later this week! Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jul 3 22:27:11 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA129506 for opro ; Mon, 03 Jul 100 22:27:06 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 962656416:11:18521:16; Mon, 03 Jul 2000 20:33:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1008170; 3 Jul 2000 20:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA02030 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 20:27:50 +0100 Received: from mashie.force9.net (mashie.force9.net [195.166.128.30]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA02027 for ; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 20:27:48 +0100 Received: (qmail 32626 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2000 20:36:41 -0000 Received: from rack.servers.plus.net.uk (212.159.2.65) by mashie.force9.net with SMTP; 3 Jul 2000 20:36:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 26321 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2000 20:23:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (212.159.17.53) by rack.servers.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 3 Jul 2000 20:23:14 -0000 Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 19:22:43 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: Where has the centre margin gone ... ? To: OvationPro User Group In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Sun 02 Jul, David Love wrote: > I produce a monthly newsletter for our computer club. It is in A5 format, > 2 columns, double sided. All margins (x, y, top, bottom) are 10 mm. The > gutter width is 5 mm, with column widths of 61.75 mm, and "Display column > guides ticked", with Guide width = Thin and Guide colour = Black. All very > conventional, one might say. BUT, and there is always one of those, isn't > there? Why does every even numbered page display a thin centre line (which > is what I want), but the odd numbered pages do not? > > I have read the manual, experimented with various settings, all to no > avail. > > Can some kind person tell me what error I've made in the set up, and so put > me out of my misery :-) > > David Have a look the Mirror option in the page setup - that forces both pages to be the same in regard to columns and guides. If you select double sided you can then specify left and right pages differently for columns and guides, or you can specify them as a mirrored pair. Can I add a warning abolut using a Thin line which will be printed? The definition of Thin is one pixel on the output device. This is OK on screen, or at 300dpi, you may even get away with it at 600dpi, but any higher resolution and you are likely to lose it. Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jul 3 22:27:21 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA129510 for opro ; Mon, 03 Jul 100 22:27:20 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 962636128:20:05918:19; Mon, 03 Jul 2000 14:55:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2105694; 3 Jul 2000 14:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA00904 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 14:45:47 +0100 Received: from delta.barnet.ac.uk (exim@delta.barnet.ac.uk [194.82.200.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA00897 for ; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 14:45:40 +0100 Received: from planet.ak.planet.gen.nz ([202.20.65.1]) by delta.barnet.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.14 #6) id 138ctF-0006vJ-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 02 Jul 2000 06:06:02 +0000 Received: from Pzed.ak.planet.gen.nz (as5200-04.ak.planet.gen.nz [202.20.65.134]) by planet.ak.planet.gen.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA10748 for ; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 18:02:21 +1200 (NZST) Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 15:17:59 +1300 (GMT) From: David Love Subject: Where has the centre margin gone ... ? To: OvationPro User Group Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I produce a monthly newsletter for our computer club. It is in A5 format, 2 columns, double sided. All margins (x, y, top, bottom) are 10 mm. The gutter width is 5 mm, with column widths of 61.75 mm, and "Display column guides ticked", with Guide width = Thin and Guide colour = Black. All very conventional, one might say. BUT, and there is always one of those, isn't there? Why does every even numbered page display a thin centre line (which is what I want), but the odd numbered pages do not? I have read the manual, experimented with various settings, all to no avail. Can some kind person tell me what error I've made in the set up, and so put me out of my misery :-) David -- The art of being a parent consists of sleeping when the baby isn't looking. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jul 3 22:27:23 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA129511 for opro ; Mon, 03 Jul 100 22:27:22 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 962636177:20:07841:22; Mon, 03 Jul 2000 14:56:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2007697; 3 Jul 2000 14:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA00893 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 14:45:37 +0100 Received: from delta.barnet.ac.uk (exim@delta.barnet.ac.uk [194.82.200.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA00887 for ; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 14:45:33 +0100 Received: from merlins.plus.net.uk ([195.166.128.23] helo=merlins.force9.net) by delta.barnet.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 3.14 #6) id 138fGT-00079W-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 02 Jul 2000 08:38:09 +0000 Received: (qmail 32494 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2000 08:46:00 -0000 Received: from ruin.servers.plus.net.uk (212.159.2.66) by merlins.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 2 Jul 2000 08:46:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 28219 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2000 08:34:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (212.159.17.190) by ruin.servers.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 2 Jul 2000 08:34:21 -0000 Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 17:06:01 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: Graduated fills To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <49d6ec9ce1delink@wxs.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Fri 30 Jun, Paul Sprangers wrote: > > Dear Mr. Pilling, > > There seems to be a little bug left in the graduated fills, concerning high > resolution output for postscript. > If I have a linear graduated fill defined at 133 lpi, the output shows a > limited number of grades (about 16). When I change the fill to radial, > everything is fine. > By the way, on screen no difference is seen. > > If you can't reproduce the effect, then I can send you my file. > > Kind regards, > Paul Sprangers > Are you saying that the same graduate start and finish colours produce different print output for the same screen settings? Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jul 3 22:27:29 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA129512 for opro ; Mon, 03 Jul 100 22:27:26 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 962636227:20:09369:16; Mon, 03 Jul 2000 14:57:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2109706; 3 Jul 2000 14:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA00885 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 14:45:30 +0100 Received: from delta.barnet.ac.uk (exim@delta.barnet.ac.uk [194.82.200.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA00880 for ; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 14:45:28 +0100 Received: from kx1-gui.server.which.net ([194.168.97.11]) by delta.barnet.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.14 #6) id 138uaB-0001P8-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 03 Jul 2000 00:59:31 +0000 Received: from waddell.which.net ([194.168.99.146]) by kx1-gui.server.which.net (InterMail vK.4.02.00.10 201-232-116-110 license ba284124ac8520bc46c2daaf97d72d4c) with SMTP id <20000703005608.EXSA21605.kx1-gui@waddell.which.net> for ; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 01:56:08 +0100 Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 22:17:54 +0100 (BST) From: John Waddell Subject: Re: Lines in Ovation To: Ovation Pro In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 12 Jun, Peter Prewett wrote: > One small bug I find annoying with Ovation is the shadow lines that > appear when editing documents. > > I know that one can get rid of them by using F12 and hence redrawing the > screen, but is there any way that one can prevent them appearing in the > first place. > > Peter Don't know the answer to your question but the easiest way to 'tidy up' the look of your document when shadow lines appear is to hold down Ctrl and press 'I' (letter between U and O on the keyboard) twice. This simply rewrites the document in its frame and is much faster. -- John Waddell, Langbank, Renfrewshire -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jul 3 22:27:52 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA129520 for opro ; Mon, 03 Jul 100 22:27:48 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 962658572:21:10806:16; Mon, 03 Jul 2000 21:09:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2110680; 3 Jul 2000 21:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA02097 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 20:38:43 +0100 Received: from sand4.global.net.uk (sand4.global.net.uk [195.147.246.106]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA02094 for ; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 20:38:41 +0100 Received: from pb1s05a01.client.global.net.uk ([195.147.133.178] helo=RPC) by sand4.global.net.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 139CzO-00065u-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 21:38:47 +0100 Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 19:37:36 +0100 From: Mik Towse To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: JPEGs - how? Message-ID: <49D86FEA23%mik.towse@xemik.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.10d POPstar/2.02 X-Editor: Zap 1.42, using ZapEmail 0.24 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article Anthony Hilton wrote: > I tried (for the first time) dropping some JPEGs into frames in Opro - > nothing shows but the info palette shows it to be a picture frame. > Picture-Info reports: > Type JPEG > Size 167Kb (for the smallest) > Dimensions 3.39mm x 0mm This seems a bit small. ;-) [snip] > (ChangeFSI and Fresco happily display them, Draw reports Incomplete or > corrupt JPEG data). I suspect that Draw is correct. Since CFSI will load it, have you tried saving out the image? Hopefully, this will remove the coruption. It might not be a bad idea to reduce the colour depth before you do that. I bet you got the image off a PC, eh? :o) -- Mik Towse * mik.towse@xemik.com * http://www.xemik.com/ My writers' site can be found at: http://www.lexis.org.uk Always be aware of the phase of the moon! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jul 3 22:27:54 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA129521 for opro ; Mon, 03 Jul 100 22:27:53 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 962658760:20:10665:16; Mon, 03 Jul 2000 21:12:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2010514; 3 Jul 2000 21:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA02189 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 21:07:33 +0100 Received: from mta2-svc.virgin.net (mta2-svc.virgin.net [194.168.54.143]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA02186 for ; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 21:07:30 +0100 Received: from bernard.hill.virgin.net ([194.168.74.140]) by mta2-svc.virgin.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with SMTP id <20000703210545.DVMX22022.mta2-svc.virgin.net@bernard.hill.virgin.net> for ; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 22:05:45 +0100 Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 22:06:13 +0100 (BST) From: "Bernard G. Hill" Subject: Re: JPEGs - how? To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Mon 03 Jul, Anthony Hilton wrote: > Ovation Pro 2.58, RISCOS 3.7, ARM 610. > > I tried (for the first time) dropping some JPEGs into frames in Opro - > nothing shows but the info palette shows it to be a picture frame. > Picture-Info reports: > Type JPEG > Size 167Kb (for the smallest) > Dimensions 3.39mm x 0mm > Pixels 166572 x 0 > Resolution 1249292 x 1611690824 (1249292 x 161169082) > Colours 24bpp RGB > > Referencing and proxying doesn't make any difference to the display, and > nothing printed (Kyocera postScript driver from ExpLan). > > What have I missed, will I be able to use these images directly in Opro or > will I need to convert to sprites first. (ChangeFSI and Fresco happily > display them, Draw reports Incomplete or corrupt JPEG data). > > Typically this is for the Church mag which is due to print later this week! > > Anthony Hilton > I always convert to sprites before putting onto a frame, and have had no trouble. ImageFS is always in use so my images are converted without me thinking about it. Hope this helps. Bernard -- Bernard G. Hill Tel/Fax: 01633 880197 Zion, Church Road Undy, Caldicot e-mail bernard.hill@virgin.net NP26 3EN -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 4 13:56:32 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA129573 for opro ; Tue, 04 Jul 100 13:56:30 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 962680942:10:10729:16; Tue, 04 Jul 2000 03:22:22 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1010497; 4 Jul 2000 3:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA06492 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 03:19:21 +0100 Received: from delta.barnet.ac.uk (exim@delta.barnet.ac.uk [194.82.200.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA00883 for ; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 14:45:28 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.89]) by delta.barnet.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.14 #6) id 138jJI-0007dA-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 02 Jul 2000 12:57:20 +0000 Received: from krowdrah.demon.co.uk ([158.152.151.91]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 138jI4-000Hlh-0V for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 13:56:05 +0100 Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 13:18:08 +0100 (BST) From: P Hutton Subject: Old dbl sp problem-sorry To: P Hutton Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Dear all Sorry about this; I know this one was thrashed to death a while back, but I lost the answer. I like two spaces after a full stop. I have !The and !supershift applets, but how do I get it to automatically capitalise after TWO spaces? (It currently does this after one). MGTIA -- Paul Hutton E-mail: p.hutton@krowdrah.co.uk Web: http://www.krowdrah.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 4 13:56:33 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA129574 for opro ; Tue, 04 Jul 100 13:56:30 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 962680952:21:09226:16; Tue, 04 Jul 2000 03:22:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2013280; 4 Jul 2000 3:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA06491 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 03:19:22 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA06479 for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 03:19:16 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 139I7L-000N6d-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 02:07:19 +0000 Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 03:00:25 GMT Message-Id: <129569@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: JPEGs - how? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >What have I missed, will I be able to use these images directly in Opro or >will I need to convert to sprites first. (ChangeFSI and Fresco happily >display them, Draw reports Incomplete or corrupt JPEG data). I'd guess the last line is the solution. OPro uses RISC OS to render JPEG's as does Draw. Presumeably RISC OS thinks these JPEG's are corrupt. Maybe it is right, maybe they're just a format it doesn't know about. The obvious work around is to convert to sprites. >I always convert to sprites before putting onto a frame, and have had no >trouble. ImageFS is always in use so my images are converted without me >thinking about it. Which is fair enough, but in some situations using JPEG's directly in documents can save a lot of memory. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 4 13:56:36 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA129575 for opro ; Tue, 04 Jul 100 13:56:34 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 962681118:21:17038:17; Tue, 04 Jul 2000 03:25:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2021894; 4 Jul 2000 3:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA06493 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 03:19:22 +0100 Received: from zx81.mersinet.co.uk (root@zx81.mersinet.co.uk [195.219.30.9]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA01685 for ; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 17:30:07 +0100 Received: from r12-018.linix.co.uk ([195.219.31.147] helo=mail.nrc.org.uk ident=root) by zx81.mersinet.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #2) id 139A1z-0002X2-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 03 Jul 2000 18:29:16 +0100 Received: (qmail 15446 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2000 17:27:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO SERVER1) (192.168.0.1) by 192.168.0.2 with SMTP; 3 Jul 2000 17:27:54 -0000 Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 18:27:50 +0100 From: Dave Brooks X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.36) S/N 3EA42095 Organization: NRC X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <8769.000703@mail.nrc.org.uk> To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Nothing to do with OPRo Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hello Everyone, This is NOT an OPro issue so I apologise to everyone whose back i het up by sending this message but my main hard drive has gone down on the Arc and I'm in some serious trouble. I need to get back my day's work but my machine crashed and now reports the drive as 'unrecognisable' does anyone have any suggestions about what I can do to get it running again! Using RO4.02 and the drive has been formatted to use long filenames so fsck seems to be out of the game :-( P.S. the Impression loader is great - not sure about what it does to the borders though!!!!!! Thanks, Dave dave.brooks@mail.nrc.org.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 4 13:56:48 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA129576 for opro ; Tue, 04 Jul 100 13:56:34 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 962680994:10:13988:16; Tue, 04 Jul 2000 03:23:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1119416; 4 Jul 2000 3:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA06489 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 03:19:21 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA06477 for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 03:19:15 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 139I7M-000N6d-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 02:07:20 +0000 Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 03:03:54 GMT Message-Id: <129571@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Where has the centre margin gone ... ? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Why does every even numbered page display a thin centre line (which >is what I want), but the odd numbered pages do not? Check if you've actually set up both pages. ISTR there are three buttons left, right and mirror. If mirror is selected then left and right are mirror images. Otherwise you have to define them both. i.e. click on left, define left page, click on right, define right page. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 4 13:57:03 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA129584 for opro ; Tue, 04 Jul 100 13:57:01 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 962700059:10:25791:16; Tue, 04 Jul 2000 08:40:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1025662; 4 Jul 2000 8:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA07380 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 08:36:05 +0100 Received: from webscotland.co.uk (mailhost.webscotland.co.uk [195.171.215.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA07377 for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 08:36:03 +0100 Received: from mor (195.171.215.174[195.171.215.174])by MAILHOST(MailMax 3.059) with ESMTP id 5913320 for References: <129569@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <129569@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Picsel Technologies Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10 (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.11) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <129569@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > > What have I missed, will I be able to use these images directly in Opro > > or will I need to convert to sprites first. (ChangeFSI and Fresco happily > > display them, Draw reports Incomplete or corrupt JPEG data). > > I'd guess the last line is the solution. OPro uses RISC OS to > render JPEG's as does Draw. Presumeably RISC OS thinks these JPEG's > are corrupt. Maybe it is right, maybe they're just a format it > doesn't know about. > > The obvious work around is to convert to sprites. An alternative solution is to use my CleanJPEG application which rewrites 'non-standard' JPEGs in a format compatible with RISC OS's internal JPEG handler. You can download it from . Cheers, Dave -- David Thomas dpt@tristone.co.uk http://www.tristone.co.uk/davespace/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 4 22:41:56 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA129615 for opro ; Tue, 04 Jul 100 22:41:53 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 962746623:10:06086:16; Tue, 04 Jul 2000 21:37:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1101065; 4 Jul 2000 21:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA08917 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 21:29:09 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA08914 for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 21:29:06 +0100 Received: from picarium.demon.co.uk ([158.152.149.128] helo=picarium) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 139aEr-000Jo4-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 21:28:18 +0000 Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 21:20:40 +0100 From: Alan J Pitcher To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: <862ffdd849.alan@picarium.com> X-Organization: None User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.42beta1 (MsgServe/1.42beta) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Subject: Linking Frames MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hi, I am trying to setup a document to print out filofax pages but I cannot link the frames how I want. It may not be possible but I thought I would ask anyway. I have setup a double sided master page with four frames per side set out in the following pattern. Side 1 12 34 Side 2 56 78 What I cannot seem to do is link the frames together. I want them linked in the following pattern. Frame 1 to frame 6. Frame 6 to frame 2. Frame 2 to frame 5. Frame 5 to frame 3. Frame 3 to frame 8. Frame 8 to frame 4. Frame 4 to frame 7. Frame 7 to frame 1. I can get the first link ok, but when I try the second link I get an error about linking from a right page to a left page (or was it the other way round). Is this possible or am I asking too much. Thanks. -- Alan J Pitcher mailto:alan@picarium.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jul 5 01:26:12 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA129624 for opro ; Wed, 05 Jul 100 01:26:06 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 962750328:20:28445:20; Tue, 04 Jul 2000 22:38:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2129925; 4 Jul 2000 22:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA09209 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 22:34:27 +0100 Received: from merlins.force9.net (merlins.plus.net.uk [195.166.128.23]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA09206 for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 22:34:24 +0100 Received: (qmail 11335 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2000 22:42:52 -0000 Received: from ruin.servers.plus.net.uk (212.159.2.66) by merlins.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 4 Jul 2000 22:42:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 13386 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2000 22:31:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (212.159.20.33) by ruin.servers.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 4 Jul 2000 22:31:14 -0000 Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 23:02:59 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: JPEGs - how? To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Tue 04 Jul, David Thomas wrote: > In message <129569@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > > > > > What have I missed, will I be able to use these images directly in Opro > > > or will I need to convert to sprites first. (ChangeFSI and Fresco happily > > > display them, Draw reports Incomplete or corrupt JPEG data). > > > > I'd guess the last line is the solution. OPro uses RISC OS to > > render JPEG's as does Draw. Presumeably RISC OS thinks these JPEG's > > are corrupt. Maybe it is right, maybe they're just a format it > > doesn't know about. > > > > The obvious work around is to convert to sprites. > > An alternative solution is to use my CleanJPEG application which rewrites > 'non-standard' JPEGs in a format compatible with RISC OS's internal JPEG > handler. > > You can download it from . > > Cheers, > Dave > Thanks to all who replied. Dave's suggestion is probably what was at the back of my mind when I asked. I downloaded CleanJPEG, dropped the directory containing 6 jpegs onto it and after a few minutes processing it reported that a particular saving in size had been achieved. The cleaned JPEGs do now load into Draw and Ovation Pro, but do not print from Opro Bernard Veasey also sent me a copy of Sprite Extend module which he recommended putting into !Boot.Choices.Boot.PreDesk. Did that, re-booted and Draw and OPro now load the original files. But still no print from OPro. The combination does print - clean the jpegs first and then load them into OPro when Sprite Extend is installed. The other suggestion of use ChangeFSI to convert to 8bit greyscale sprites might still be the best solution (output is to BW laser for photocopying). Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jul 5 01:26:18 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA129627 for opro ; Wed, 05 Jul 100 01:26:14 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 962746934:10:29387:16; Tue, 04 Jul 2000 21:42:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1117218; 4 Jul 2000 21:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA08989 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 21:38:42 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA08986 for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 21:38:40 +0100 Received: from userak96.uk.uudial.com (62.188.134.70) [62.188.134.70] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 139aO5-0004em-00; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 22:37:49 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Alan P Dawes To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 10:53:19 +0100 Subject: Re: JPEGs - how? Message-ID: <49d8c3c010alan.dawes@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <129569@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <129569@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 04 Jul, David Pilling wrote: > >What have I missed, will I be able to use these images directly in Opro > >or will I need to convert to sprites first. (ChangeFSI and Fresco > >happily display them, Draw reports Incomplete or corrupt JPEG data). > I'd guess the last line is the solution. OPro uses RISC OS to render > JPEG's as does Draw. Presumeably RISC OS thinks these JPEG's are > corrupt. Maybe it is right, maybe they're just a format it doesn't know > about. > The obvious work around is to convert to sprites. Or you could use !Jclean from www.dacha.freeuk.com/free/ to clean up the JPEG before using it. Alan -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- ---------------------------- |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | alan.dawes@argonet.co.uk | | |\ | | | | |\| | | | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | Using an Acorn RiscPC -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jul 5 02:58:23 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA129634 for opro ; Wed, 05 Jul 100 02:58:20 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 962757035:21:11866:16; Wed, 05 Jul 2000 00:30:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2028947; 5 Jul 2000 0:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA09533 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 00:26:58 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA09530 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 00:26:56 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 139d10-000Om9-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 00:26:10 +0000 Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 22:46:29 GMT Message-Id: <129618@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Linking Frames X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I think OPro enforces the rule that you link all the frames on one page and then to the frames on the next page. Links that go backward or go back and forth are not allowed. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jul 5 13:53:32 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA129636 for opro ; Wed, 05 Jul 100 13:53:30 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 962777181:11:26172:16; Wed, 05 Jul 2000 06:06:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1126121; 5 Jul 2000 6:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA10359 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 06:02:46 +0100 Received: from planet.ak.planet.gen.nz (planet.ak.planet.gen.nz [202.20.65.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA10356 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 06:02:42 +0100 Received: from Pzed.ak.planet.gen.nz (as5200-57.ak.planet.gen.nz [202.20.65.187]) by planet.ak.planet.gen.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA13807 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 18:01:52 +1200 (NZST) Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 08:58:28 +1300 (GMT) From: David Love Subject: Re: Where has the centre margin gone ... ? To: OvationPro User Group In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Tue 04 Jul, Anthony Hilton wrote: > In on Sun 02 Jul, David Love wrote: BUT, and there is always one of those, isn't > > there? Why does every even numbered page display a thin centre line (which > > is what I want), but the odd numbered pages do not? > > Can some kind person tell me what error I've made in the set up, and so put > > me out of my misery :-) > Have a look the Mirror option in the page setup - that forces both pages to > be the same in regard to columns and guides. If you select double sided you > can then specify left and right pages differently for columns and guides, > or you can specify them as a mirrored pair. Ah! thanks, Anthony. that was indeed the answer and the problem is solved. > Can I add a warning about using a Thin line which will be printed? The > definition of Thin is one pixel on the output device. This is OK on screen, > or at 300dpi, you may even get away with it at 600dpi, but any higher > resolution and you are likely to lose it. Noted. At present the newsletter is printed on a Kyocera FS-680, so no problems. David -- The art of being a parent consists of sleeping when the baby isn't looking. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jul 5 13:53:35 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA129637 for opro ; Wed, 05 Jul 100 13:53:33 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 962777186:10:13130:16; Wed, 05 Jul 2000 06:06:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1012754; 5 Jul 2000 6:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA10354 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 06:02:32 +0100 Received: from planet.ak.planet.gen.nz (planet.ak.planet.gen.nz [202.20.65.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA10351 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 06:02:26 +0100 Received: from Pzed.ak.planet.gen.nz (as5200-57.ak.planet.gen.nz [202.20.65.187]) by planet.ak.planet.gen.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA13782 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 18:01:36 +1200 (NZST) Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 08:59:53 +1300 (GMT) From: David Love Subject: Re: Where has the centre margin gone ... ? To: OvationPro User Group In-Reply-To: <129571@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 04 Jul, David Pilling wrote: > > > >Why does every even numbered page display a thin centre line (which > >is what I want), but the odd numbered pages do not? > > Check if you've actually set up both pages. ISTR there are three buttons > left, right and mirror. If mirror is selected then left and right are > mirror images. Otherwise you have to define them both. i.e. click on left, > define left page, click on right, define right page. Thanks, David. Anthony Hilton pointed me in the right direction. Didn't even dawn on me that "mirror" did exactly as it implies :-( David -- The art of being a parent consists of sleeping when the baby isn't looking. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jul 5 13:53:45 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA129640 for opro ; Wed, 05 Jul 100 13:53:43 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 962780578:10:07098:16; Wed, 05 Jul 2000 07:02:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1007064; 5 Jul 2000 7:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA10609 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 06:53:08 +0100 Received: from host1.kbnet.co.uk (host1.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA10606 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 06:53:06 +0100 Received: from akalat (dialup037.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.199]) by host1.kbnet.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA05117 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 08:03:17 +0100 Message-ID: <004d01bfe64d$76ca4160$2f94a8c2@akalat> From: "Mike Williams" To: References: Subject: OvnPro to TIFF Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 07:45:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I have some pages in an Ovation Pro document which bI need to supply as TIFFs for litho printing (2400dpi, 150lpi). I have thought of several routes but wonder if anyone else has experience of doing this. Is it a good idea or not to anti-alias text? Main thoughts are to use SPrint or scan back printed pages. Mike Williams Akalat Publishing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jul 5 13:53:54 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA129644 for opro ; Wed, 05 Jul 100 13:53:51 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 962786848:10:05929:17; Wed, 05 Jul 2000 08:47:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1128402; 5 Jul 2000 8:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA10976 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 08:44:17 +0100 Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-11.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.21]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA10972 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 08:44:14 +0100 Received: from [212.238.88.19] (helo=dinkla.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.14 #4) id 139kmG-000EPP-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 05 Jul 2000 08:43:28 +0000 Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 10:41:44 +0100 (BST) From: Ernst Dinkla Subject: Re: OvnPro to TIFF To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <004d01bfe64d$76ca4160$2f94a8c2@akalat> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Wed 05 Jul, Mike Williams wrote: > I have some pages in an Ovation Pro document which bI need to supply as > TIFFs for litho printing (2400dpi, 150lpi). I have thought of several routes > but wonder if anyone else has experience of doing this. Is it a good idea or > not to anti-alias text? Main thoughts are to use SPrint or scan back printed > pages. 240 dpi I presume or will it be enlarged? The route SPrinter> ImgMaster all by St. David must be the most reliable. Less memory problems, less compatibility problems. I've used it quite often. I'm still hoping for an SPrinter that makes TIFFs right away. Would be nice to send the image straight on the network too. Or is there a PC application that reads Sprites and makes TIFFs? There must be a reason why you don't use the PS or PDF road. Sprites? Fonts? Lines? ArtWorks images? So much that may not work. Ernst -- Ernst Dinkla Serigrafie,Zeefdruk The point will never be metric -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jul 5 13:54:05 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA129648 for opro ; Wed, 05 Jul 100 13:54:03 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 962798106:10:09852:17; Wed, 05 Jul 2000 11:55:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1009751; 5 Jul 2000 11:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA11520 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 11:51:28 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA11517 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 11:51:27 +0100 Received: from bvista.demon.co.uk ([194.222.32.134]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 139nhQ-0002UG-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 11:50:41 +0000 Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 12:43:04 +0100 (BST) From: Arthur Taylor Subject: Re: irregular frames To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <49d9410568capelin@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Arthur Taylor X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In on Wed 05 Jul, Simon.Jones wrote: > > I've often wanted to run around either a picture or irregular frame, > but frequently find it problematic with lines wrapping where they > shouldn't (either too short even allwoing for word length, or the > screen redraws but the text goes OVER the graphic. > > More frustrating is the 'feature' that line spacing also regularly > suffers - varying from line to line. Sometimes the smallest tweaks to > the graphic frame can solve the problem, but it is frustrating, > particularly as it is so unpredictable. > > Simon > Ah, it isn't just me! I've tried to get text to run around pictures quite a few times, but in all cases I've run into just the trouble you describe above. I thought maybe I was doing something wrong, but perhaps not? Is there any possibility you could look into/comment on this, please, David? Regards, -- Arthur Taylor, Parkstone, Poole -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jul 5 13:54:08 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA129647 for opro ; Wed, 05 Jul 100 13:54:00 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 962786756:21:11441:16; Wed, 05 Jul 2000 08:45:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2018392; 5 Jul 2000 8:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA10923 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 08:41:02 +0100 Received: from cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.174]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA10920 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 08:41:00 +0100 Received: from modem-72.wolfram.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.56.200] helo=localhost) by cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 139kj5-0007Lb-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 05 Jul 2000 09:40:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Simon.Jones" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 09:41:37 +0100 Subject: Re: irregular frames Message-ID: <49d9410568capelin@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <129172@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <129172@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <129172@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >Running around irregular frames causes quite a lot of problems, > >while running around pictures (with the same shape) doesn't cause > >similar problems. Are frames more difficult to runaround? > No, the thing is likely to be that the two shapes are not identical > to the nearest 1/72000'th on an inch. I've often wanted to run around either a picture or irregular frame, but frequently find it problematic with lines wrapping where they shouldn't (either too short even allwoing for word length, or the screen redraws but the text goes OVER the graphic. More frustrating is the 'feature' that line spacing also regularly suffers - varying from line to line. Sometimes the smallest tweaks to the graphic frame can solve the problem, but it is frustrating, particularly as it is so unpredictable. Simon -- Simon Jones - simon.jones@capelinmedia.co.uk - Clitheroe, Lancs Freelance Sound Recordist | http://www.argonet.co.uk/capelin/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jul 5 17:51:56 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA129675 for opro ; Wed, 05 Jul 100 17:51:53 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 962803901:10:01910:18; Wed, 05 Jul 2000 13:31:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1001491; 5 Jul 2000 13:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA11923 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 13:25:54 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA11919 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 13:25:52 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 139pAo-000AO7-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 13:25:06 +0000 Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 14:00:18 GMT Message-Id: <129657@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvationPro and ViewFinder X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >- Some applications, e.g. !Zap, directly access screen memory and depend > on the screen memory being accessible through specific addresses. These > applications will currently fail to work properly until they are > updated, because the screen memory addresses have changed under > ViewFinder. John Kortinck was good enough to discuss things with me. I've had a look at the code in question, and I've let him look at it. We can't see anything wrong with it. It correctly reads the location of screen memory. His suggestion was that the problem was with screen memory addresses being too big (the old -ve memory problem). >Does this solution only affect graphics in irregular frames, or any >graphics in any frames? Just graphics in irregular frames. Actually it may also affect graduated fills of irregular frames? Sorting this out, means getting someone with a ViewFinder card to run a debug version of OPro so that I can see just what is going wrong. This in turn implies stuffing MB files down bits of damp string. Volunteer? David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jul 5 17:52:10 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA129676 for opro ; Wed, 05 Jul 100 17:51:57 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 962803909:10:02215:17; Wed, 05 Jul 2000 13:31:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1107049; 5 Jul 2000 13:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA11920 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 13:25:53 +0100 Received: from smtp02.wxs.nl (smtp02.wxs.nl [195.121.6.60]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA11484 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 11:37:25 +0100 Received: from delink.wxs.nl ([195.121.164.233]) by smtp02.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with SMTP id AAA4BCD for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 13:36:16 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Sprangers To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 13:35:16 +0200 Subject: OvationPro and ViewFinder Message-ID: <49d950eb9fdelink@wxs.nl> In-Reply-To: <129174@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <129174@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.14e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro About OvationPro not correctly working under ViewFinder when using graphics in irregualar frames: Davind Pilling wrote: > Firstly what does John Kortink have to say - the publicity said there > would be no problems. > In the situation you describe above, OPro reads the contents of the > screen memory. There are a couple of possibilities, I've got something > wrong, or Viewfinder doesn't support this, or maybe a bit of both I'm > relying on some bit of RISC OS which viewfinder does not emulate > correctly. This is what I found in the manual of ViewFinder: - Some applications, e.g. !Zap, directly access screen memory and depend on the screen memory being accessible through specific addresses. These applications will currently fail to work properly until they are updated, because the screen memory addresses have changed under ViewFinder. > Clearly when printing OPro can't read screen memory, so I can easily > flick a switch and render to screen through different code which won't > have this problem, although it will be slower. Does this solution only affect graphics in irregular frames, or any graphics in any frames? If the latter is true, then I can imagine that a lot of people, that do not use ViewFinder, will oppose. Or do you think a configurable option will be possible? Kind regards, Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jul 5 17:52:19 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA129677 for opro ; Wed, 05 Jul 100 17:52:18 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 962803919:10:02754:17; Wed, 05 Jul 2000 13:31:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1107526; 5 Jul 2000 13:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA11936 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 13:26:07 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA11933 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 13:26:06 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 139pB1-000AO7-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 13:25:19 +0000 Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 14:21:30 GMT Message-Id: <129667@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: irregular frames X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R >Is there any possibility you could look into/comment on this, please, David? 8-( It needs more work doing on it. The usual scenario is that auto run around pictures creates shapes with a lot of points in tricky arrangements. The workaround is to use the path edit tool to knock those curves into a simplet form. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jul 5 19:53:54 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA129700 for opro ; Wed, 05 Jul 100 19:53:52 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 962818889:10:22066:17; Wed, 05 Jul 2000 17:41:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1021780; 5 Jul 2000 17:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA12726 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 17:36:58 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA12718 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 17:36:56 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 139t5l-0005Wb-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 17:36:09 +0000 Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 18:01:10 GMT Message-Id: <129690@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: irregular frames X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >> Sorting this out, means getting someone with a ViewFinder card to >> run a debug version of OPro so that I can see just what is going wrong. >> This in turn implies stuffing MB files down bits of damp string. >> Volunteer? >Absolutely! (Allthough your last sentence is chinese to me). These days I find that demon and/or my phone line struggle with shifting large files... Anyway we'll give it a go, and let the world know the outcome in due course. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jul 5 19:53:59 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA129703 for opro ; Wed, 05 Jul 100 19:53:57 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 962818887:20:15502:15; Wed, 05 Jul 2000 17:41:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2112035; 5 Jul 2000 17:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA12724 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 17:36:56 +0100 Received: from smtp04.wxs.nl (smtp04.wxs.nl [195.121.6.59]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA12395 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 15:03:27 +0100 Received: from delink.wxs.nl (ipc379a4fe.dial.wxs.nl [195.121.164.254]) by smtp04.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 4.05 Jun 27 2000 10:40:22) with SMTP id FX8CFW02.75A for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 17:02:20 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Sprangers To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 17:01:05 +0200 Subject: OvationPro and ViewFinder Message-ID: <49d963c33fdelink@wxs.nl> In-Reply-To: <129657@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <129657@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.14e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > Sorting this out, means getting someone with a ViewFinder card to > run a debug version of OPro so that I can see just what is going wrong. > This in turn implies stuffing MB files down bits of damp string. > Volunteer? Absolutely! (Allthough your last sentence is chinese to me). Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jul 5 19:54:03 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA129704 for opro ; Wed, 05 Jul 100 19:54:00 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 962819003:20:20503:16; Wed, 05 Jul 2000 17:43:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2020396; 5 Jul 2000 17:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA12774 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 17:40:30 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA12769 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 17:40:28 +0100 Received: from useras85.uk.uudial.com (62.188.137.89) [62.188.137.89] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 139t9A-0002qw-00; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 18:39:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Rob Hemmings To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 18:34:37 +0100 Subject: Re: irregular frames Message-ID: <49d971d1earobh@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <129667@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <129667@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <129667@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >Is there any possibility you could look into/comment on this, please, > >David? > 8-( > It needs more work doing on it. > The usual scenario is that auto run around pictures creates shapes with > a lot of points in tricky arrangements. The workaround is to use the > path edit tool to knock those curves into a simplet form. I've also found this a problem. What is worse is that on editing the points (deleting some of the unwanted ones) I have sometimes then had a complete crash of OvationPro (even with version 2.58). I now usually make the frame into an irregular shape, as I would have had to do with Impression, instead. -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Hemmings Southport Tel: +44 (0)1704 573210 robh@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jul 6 00:05:00 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA129709 for opro ; Thu, 06 Jul 100 00:04:57 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 962836424:10:00176:15; Wed, 05 Jul 2000 22:33:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1128438; 5 Jul 2000 22:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA13613 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 22:26:05 +0100 Received: from typhoon.mail.pipex.net (typhoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA13608 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 22:26:00 +0100 Received: (qmail 21454 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2000 22:25:14 -0000 Received: from userbj84.uk.uudial.com (HELO RPC) (62.188.143.247) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 2000 22:25:14 -0000 Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 20:01:47 +0100 From: Mik Towse To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: JPEGs - how? Message-ID: <49D979CCD7%mik.towse@xemik.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.10d POPstar/2.02 X-Editor: Zap 1.42, using ZapEmail 0.24 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article Anthony Hilton wrote: > The other suggestion of use ChangeFSI to convert to 8bit greyscale sprites > might still be the best solution (output is to BW laser for photocopying). Perhaps you need David Pilling's scanning software. ;-) -- Mik Towse * mik.towse@xemik.com * http://www.xemik.com/ My writers' site can be found at: http://www.lexis.org.uk If it's good, they'll stop making it. Herbert Block -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jul 6 00:05:05 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA129712 for opro ; Thu, 06 Jul 100 00:05:03 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 962836439:20:14977:15; Wed, 05 Jul 2000 22:33:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2014436; 5 Jul 2000 22:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA13614 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 22:26:09 +0100 Received: from typhoon.mail.pipex.net (typhoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA13607 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 22:26:00 +0100 Received: (qmail 21450 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2000 22:25:12 -0000 Received: from userbj84.uk.uudial.com (HELO RPC) (62.188.143.247) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 2000 22:25:12 -0000 Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 19:56:47 +0100 From: Mik Towse To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: irregular frames Message-ID: <49D9795779%mik.towse@xemik.com> References: <129667@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <129667@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.10d POPstar/2.02 X-Editor: Zap 1.42, using ZapEmail 0.24 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <129667@pilling.demon.co.uk> David Pilling wrote: > > Is there any possibility you could look into/comment on this, please, > > David? > The usual scenario is that auto run around pictures creates shapes with > a lot of points in tricky arrangements. The workaround is to use the > path edit tool to knock those curves into a simplet form. I already edit the path, but usually there are so many points it is almost a pointless exercise. Is there a way to restrict the number of (initial) points? In article <49d971d1earobh@argonet.co.uk> Rob Hemmings wrote: > [...] What is worse is that on editing the points (deleting some of the > unwanted ones) I have sometimes then had a complete crash of OvationPro > (even with version 2.58). Yes. I find it almost always crashes. Usually some of the points leave 'debris' & become unselectable. I'd like to drag/select a number of points & delete them in one go, rather then delete them one at a time. -- Mik Towse * mik.towse@xemik.com * http://www.xemik.com/ My writers' site can be found at: http://www.lexis.org.uk If it says "one size fits all", it doesn't fit anyone. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jul 6 14:53:41 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA129728 for opro ; Thu, 06 Jul 100 14:53:39 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 962850184:20:25514:15; Thu, 06 Jul 2000 02:23:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2102971; 6 Jul 2000 2:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA14217 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 02:19:07 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA14205 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 02:19:05 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13A1F4-0003K9-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 02:18:19 +0000 Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 03:09:22 GMT Message-Id: <129724@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: irregular frames X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I already edit the path, but usually there are so many points it is almost >a pointless exercise. >Is there a way to restrict the number of (initial) points? By increasinng the 'runaround error' in picture choices. >I'd like to drag/select a number of points & delete them in one go, rather >then delete them one at a time. So do. This is not Draw. You can select more than one point by clicking with Adjust. (usual rules for selections with Select/Adjust). David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jul 6 14:54:17 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA129732 for opro ; Thu, 06 Jul 100 14:54:16 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 962873432:20:05150:16; Thu, 06 Jul 2000 08:50:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2106161; 6 Jul 2000 8:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA14964 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 08:38:32 +0100 Received: from smtp2.jakinternet.co.uk (proxy.jakinternet.co.uk [212.41.43.4]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA14961 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 08:38:29 +0100 Received: from martinl.redhotant.com (user36-99.jakinternet.co.uk [212.41.36.99]) by smtp2.jakinternet.co.uk (Postfix) with SMTP id CC6E9A76E2 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 09:36:56 +0100 (BST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Martin Longley To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 09:38:35 +0100 Subject: Re: Nothing to do with OPRo Message-ID: <49d9c49447martinl@redhotant.com> In-Reply-To: <8769.000703@mail.nrc.org.uk> References: <8769.000703@mail.nrc.org.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <8769.000703@mail.nrc.org.uk>, Dave Brooks wrote: > Hello Everyone, > This is NOT an OPro issue so I apologise to everyone whose back i het > up by sending this message but my main hard drive has gone down on the > Arc and I'm in some serious trouble. I need to get back my day's work > but my machine crashed and now reports the drive as 'unrecognisable' > does anyone have any suggestions about what I can do to get it running > again! > Using RO4.02 and the drive has been formatted to use long filenames so > fsck seems to be out of the game :-( Have you tried contacting Paul Vigay (www.vigay.com)? I think his Disc Commander now supports whatever the format is called (E+?) although he said, "you have to know what you're doing." Martin Longley -- martinl@redhotant.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jul 6 14:54:47 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA129736 for opro ; Thu, 06 Jul 100 14:54:37 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 962850113:10:07691:15; Thu, 06 Jul 2000 02:21:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1120680; 6 Jul 2000 2:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA14218 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 02:19:09 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA14214 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 02:19:06 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13A1F6-0003K9-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 02:18:20 +0000 Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 03:13:47 GMT Message-Id: <129726@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Fast parallel printing. X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, Probably a bit more blundering about... I installed the PoScript2F printer definition files. Attempting to print with these gets me a rapid "bad call to parallel device" error message. The idea is that the F suffix drivers use a fast mode of the parallel port. Does anyone have any idea if this behaviour is normal, or if there's anything to gain from the fast parallel mode? David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jul 6 14:54:52 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA129737 for opro ; Thu, 06 Jul 100 14:54:49 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 962873466:10:13790:15; Thu, 06 Jul 2000 08:51:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1128373; 6 Jul 2000 8:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA15002 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 08:47:57 +0100 Received: from holyrood.ed.ac.uk (holyrood.ed.ac.uk [129.215.16.14]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA14999 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 08:47:55 +0100 Received: from alfred.ed.ac.uk (dialup-135.publab.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.135]) by holyrood.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA09578 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 09:47:09 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 09:48:53 +0100 (BST) From: Alf Chamings Subject: Re: Fast parallel printing. To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <129726@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 06 Jul, David Pilling wrote: > > Hi, > > Probably a bit more blundering about... I installed > the PoScript2F printer definition files. Attempting to print > with these gets me a rapid "bad call to parallel device" > error message. > This may be unrelated but I initially tried this driver for producing pdf files using GhostScript. It gave me a blank page so I gave it up and used the PoScript driver which works OK. Regards Alf -- Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh, EH3 9YW, UK tel +44 131 536 3251 fax +44 131 536 3283 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From a.m.conroy@argonet.co.uk Thu Jul 6 14:55:03 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA129739 for opro ; Thu, 06 Jul 100 14:54:59 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 962875742:11:21202:0; Thu, 06 Jul 2000 09:29:02 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1120968; 6 Jul 2000 9:28 GMT Received: from usercd58.uk.uudial.com (62.188.151.169) [62.188.151.169] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13A7xm-0003Mo-00; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 10:28:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Andrew Conroy To: David Pilling Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 10:27:17 +0100 Subject: Re: OvationPro and ViewFinder Message-ID: <49d9c909e2a.m.conroy@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <129657@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <129657@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain In article <129657@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >- Some applications, e.g. !Zap, directly access screen memory and > > depend on the screen memory being accessible through specific > > addresses. These applications will currently fail to work properly > > until they are updated, because the screen memory addresses have > > changed under ViewFinder. > John Kortinck was good enough to discuss things with me. I've had a > look at the code in question, and I've let him look at it. We can't see > anything wrong with it. It correctly reads the location of screen > memory. His suggestion was that the problem was with screen memory > addresses being too big (the old -ve memory problem). > >Does this solution only affect graphics in irregular frames, or any > >graphics in any frames? > Just graphics in irregular frames. Actually it may also affect > graduated fills of irregular frames? > Sorting this out, means getting someone with a ViewFinder card to run a > debug version of OPro so that I can see just what is going wrong. This > in turn implies stuffing MB files down bits of damp string. Volunteer? Since we have a ViewFinder card at CJE, and both John and myself there are avid OPro users, then if you mail me at work (andrew@cje.co.uk) I'll do any testing etc you want there. Cheers, -- Andy ---- (ZFC A) +--------------------------------------+---------------------------------+ | Andrew Conroy, Owl-Art Un-Ltd. | email: a.m.conroy@argonet.co.uk | | Using an Acorn RiscPC SA110 | Snail: 58 Newland Road, | | | Worthing, | | Children taught, Computers fixed, | West Sussex. | | Design work supplied | BN11 1JX. U.K. | +--------------------------------------+---------------------------------+ The impossible I can do at once, miracles take a little longer!! From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jul 6 18:58:16 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA129756 for opro ; Thu, 06 Jul 100 18:58:13 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 962896848:10:23011:15; Thu, 06 Jul 2000 15:20:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1123341; 6 Jul 2000 15:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA15904 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 15:14:41 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA15901 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 15:14:39 +0100 Received: from userau38.uk.uudial.com (62.188.137.240) [62.188.137.240] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13ADLb-0000bT-00; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 16:13:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 13:37:39 +0100 Subject: Re: Fast parallel printing. Message-ID: <49d9da7761steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <129726@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <129726@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <129726@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > Probably a bit more blundering about... I installed > the PoScript2F printer definition files. Attempting to print > with these gets me a rapid "bad call to parallel device" > error message. > The idea is that the F suffix drivers use a fast mode > of the parallel port. Using the additional pins in the port as extra handshake lines? 1. Is the cable you are using "all pins connected" or one of the older style where the pins 12 - 18 (IIRC) are earthed, or not connected at all? 2. Does the printer actually have a fast parallel interface? 3. RISC OS 4? with all the patches, at least one patch affects the behaviour of the printer port. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jul 6 20:05:39 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA129770 for opro ; Thu, 06 Jul 100 20:05:36 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 962908662:10:24327:15; Thu, 06 Jul 2000 18:37:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1116909; 6 Jul 2000 18:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA16358 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 18:30:42 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA16355 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 18:30:37 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13AGPC-000ECP-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 18:29:46 +0000 Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 19:03:16 GMT Message-Id: <129758@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Fast parallel printing. X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >> The idea is that the F suffix drivers use a fast mode >> of the parallel port. >Using the additional pins in the port as extra handshake lines? The way I'd see it (having been over all this with parallel port scanners), is that parallel ports on modern Acorn kit have several modes; SPP - simple parallel port Bidi - bidirectional parallel port EPP - enhanced parallel port ECP - enhanced capabilities port The thing about EPP (or ECP) mode is that instead of software doing the handshaking, the hardware does it, consequently things go faster. I assume this is what the fast parallel mode uses. >1. Is the cable you are using "all pins connected" or one of the older >style where the pins 12 - 18 (IIRC) are earthed, or not connected at all? I don't know, its an old one, but has driven scanners in all the above modes. >2. Does the printer actually have a fast parallel interface? Again no idea, but I assume a new HP printer is going to be compatible with everything. >3. RISC OS 4? with all the patches, at least one patch affects the >behaviour of the printer port. Yes RISC OS 4 with all the patches. Again I'm guessing but the error seems to be of the type where the printer driver is executing a SWI the parallel device module does not support, rather than some hardware problem. I can generate the error without a printer connected, just install the driver, set to parallel and print. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jul 7 13:32:15 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA129796 for opro ; Fri, 07 Jul 100 13:32:13 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 962957259:10:07779:16; Fri, 07 Jul 2000 08:07:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1007715; 7 Jul 2000 8:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA17807 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 08:03:55 +0100 Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-10.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA17804 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 08:03:53 +0100 Received: from [212.238.81.99] (helo=neptune.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.14 #2) id 13AT6J-0001AE-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 07 Jul 2000 08:03:07 +0000 Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 10:03:02 +0100 (GMT) From: Nico ter Haar Subject: printing black/white + PMS color To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <129758@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Neptune, the Netherlands. X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hello all, I've a small phamplet style I have to reproduce about 50 times, probably gone be 10 pages A4. Now there is some color in it, but a full color copy will cost a fortune and is unfortunately out of the question. Copyshop has the option to do it black/white copy inclusing an 'enforcement PMS color?'. I think they can put in for example bright red or something. Is there a way to generate such output directly from Ovpro in order to see the final result before copying. thanks nico -- Nico ter Haar, StrongARM 202MHz / RISC OS 4 at home! SOON ----> Carbase - all dutch 1999 cars on a RISCOS compatible CD ! mailto:nico@neptune.demon.nl http://www.neptune.demon.nl/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jul 7 16:14:44 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA129807 for opro ; Fri, 07 Jul 100 16:14:41 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 962979328:11:12159:15; Fri, 07 Jul 2000 14:15:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1021349; 7 Jul 2000 14:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA18742 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 14:06:00 +0100 Received: from mail1.hw.ac.uk (mail1.hw.ac.uk [137.195.170.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA18739 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 14:05:58 +0100 Received: from punt1.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.150.23]) by mail1.hw.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13AYki-0007Cl-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 15:05:12 +0100 Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk (isambard.che.hw.ac.uk [137.195.32.15]) by punt1.hw.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA25290 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 15:05:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 15:05:06 +0100 Subject: Re: importing drawfiles Message-ID: <49da664f53C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Maarten Ottens wrote: > Hi, > I'm making a doc containing loads of formulas. I make all the > formulas in Techwriter and use the wonderfull ability to import > them directly from Techwriter in Ovation as a Drawfile. (just > select, drag and drop) however for some reason the files are all > converted to a specific scale (in my case 63.34%) instead of 100% > The option using ctrl for 100% only works when importing pictures > in frames, not when importing as embedded frames. Yes - I have the same problem. What would be very useful would be if OPro implemented some form of "style" for pictures as Techwriter does. I often have a need to have a number of image frames all with the same attributes, e.g. border type, drop shadow, image scale. Chris -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) mailto: Chris@bulldog.u-net.com (at home) ovpro web site http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jul 7 16:16:41 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA129810 for opro ; Fri, 07 Jul 100 16:16:40 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 962978041:21:22456:15; Fri, 07 Jul 2000 13:54:01 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2029082; 7 Jul 2000 13:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA18608 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 13:48:30 +0100 Received: from studict.student.utwente.nl (studict.student.utwente.nl [130.89.220.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA18605 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 13:48:27 +0100 Received: from s9302700.student.utwente.nl (ut113097.inbel.utwente.nl [130.89.113.97]) by studict.student.utwente.nl (8.8.6/MQT) with SMTP id PAA11128 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 15:47:35 +0200 (METDST) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 14:11:45 +0100 From: Maarten Ottens To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: importing drawfiles Message-ID: X-Organization: 2komma18 User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hi, I'm making a doc containing loads of formulas. I make all the formulas in Techwriter and use the wonderfull ability to import them directly from Techwriter in Ovation as a Drawfile. (just select, drag and drop) however for some reason the files are all converted to a specific scale (in my case 63.34%) instead of 100% The option using ctrl for 100% only works when importing pictures in frames, not when importing as embedded frames. Any solution? it isn't about the width of the embeded frames, cause the masterframe is wide enough to contain all the formulas at 100% regards, Maarten -- w: http://www.2komma18.nl e: info@2komma18.nl t: +31(0)626 744 077 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jul 7 21:39:50 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA129820 for opro ; Fri, 07 Jul 100 21:39:48 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 962996243:20:27070:15; Fri, 07 Jul 2000 18:57:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2105307; 7 Jul 2000 18:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA19507 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 18:53:50 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA19504 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 18:53:47 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13AdFE-000AJm-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 18:53:00 +0000 Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 16:21:01 GMT Message-Id: <129811@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: importing drawfiles X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >The option using ctrl for 100% only works when >importing pictures in frames, not when importing as embedded frames. >it isn't about the width of the embeded frames, cause the masterframe is wide >enough to contain all the formulas at 100% Well this took a lot of finding. Control *does work* in this situation. However there is a limit, whatever is imported must be less than half the height/width of what it is embedded into. Otherwise it is scaled down. >What would be very useful would be if >OPro implemented some form of "style" for pictures Can't argue with that. There are lots of things e.g. curves or image processing options that it would be nice to be able to copy between objects. Although any program that allowed this would probably be over complex for many users. Actually I have an idea... direct import of pictures causes a lot of upset. Whilst I can't do better for frames in general, I could do so for rectangular frames - which is most of them. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jul 8 13:33:07 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA129853 for opro ; Sat, 08 Jul 100 13:33:05 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 963058657:10:29119:15; Sat, 08 Jul 2000 12:17:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1105754; 8 Jul 2000 12:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA21298 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 12:11:56 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA21295 for ; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 12:11:54 +0100 Received: from myoung.demon.co.uk ([193.237.60.88]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13AtRn-000IRF-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 12:11:04 +0000 Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 18:36:45 +0100 From: Martin Young To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Lines in Ovation Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R A question relating to Impact. I'm trying to convert the Impression documents I use in Impact to Ovation documents. When I try to do a mail merge from within Impact I simply get blanks where the data should be. Mormal mail merge works fine. What am I doing wrong; is this a problem with Impact or Ovation. Also anybody know who is doing development for Impact. Martin Young -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jul 8 14:59:27 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA129858 for opro ; Sat, 08 Jul 100 14:59:25 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 963060260:20:25169:15; Sat, 08 Jul 2000 12:44:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2129678; 8 Jul 2000 12:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA21406 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 12:40:47 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA21403 for ; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 12:40:46 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13Atto-000KKJ-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 12:40:00 +0000 Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 13:35:55 GMT Message-Id: <129856@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Lines in Ovation X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >A question relating to Impact. I'm trying to convert the Impression >documents I use in Impact to Ovation documents. When I try to do a mail >merge from within Impact I simply get blanks where the data should be. There's quite a lot you need to have done - installed the Impulse module (nb the latest one off the web site 1.02), entered all the commands correctly etc. I wonder what documentation you were using, one source is the Note on mail merge on the OPro web site files pages. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jul 10 22:44:19 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA129883 for opro ; Mon, 10 Jul 100 22:44:17 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 963184682:11:17564:15; Sun, 09 Jul 2000 23:18:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1117520; 9 Jul 2000 23:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA25275 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 23:09:27 +0100 Received: from smtp.screaming.net (smtp.screaming.net [212.49.224.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA25272 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 23:09:26 +0100 Received: from GavHome (dyn98-ras7.screaming.net [212.49.230.98]) by smtp.screaming.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA15144 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 23:10:49 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mr Gavin Crawford To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 00:08:07 +0100 Subject: Type 5 error when closing Master page Message-ID: <49db9fb214gavcrawf@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I regularly get type 5 errors after closing the master page window. After a bit of testing this is what I can ascertain. (can anybody else reproduce these errors?) The problem arises after a graphic has been imported into a frame on the main pages (not the master pages) then the master page is edited, after altering a master frame the master page window is closed and the type 5 error occurs. It doesn't happen in every frame but what seems to be the first frame on the master page. So opening a new document, edit the masterpage and remove the autolink, close the master page, import a sprite or jpeg, edit the masterpage once more, alter the frame, and then close the masterpage window gives me a Type 5 error. As does creating a document via the 'New...' menu with no default master frame, edit masterpage, create a blank frame, close masterpage window, drag sprite into frame, re-edit masterpage, alter the frame size and close window. Frames other than the first one on the masterpage don't seem to be affected. One thing for DavidP to note is that on removing the Colour supplement the error is not produced. BTW this is with 2.58 and ColSupp1.08 Gav. -- Gavin Crawford gavcrawf@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 11 02:48:34 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA129935 for opro ; Tue, 11 Jul 100 02:48:18 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 963268618:20:21379:15; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 22:36:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2021345; 10 Jul 2000 22:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA28035 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 22:34:29 +0100 Received: from mserv1a.u-net.net (mserv1a.u-net.net [195.102.240.34]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA28032 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 22:34:27 +0100 Received: from [195.102.204.65] (helo=Caslon.english.co.uk) by mserv1a.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #63) id 13Bm7V-0007da-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 23:33:45 +0100 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 23:33:44 +0100 Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 23:34:08 +0100 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: printing black/white + PMS color Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Nico ter Haar wrote: > Hello all, > > I've a small phamplet style I have to reproduce about 50 times, probably > gone be 10 pages A4. Now there is some color in it, but a full color > copy will cost a fortune and is unfortunately out of the question. > > Copyshop has the option to do it black/white copy inclusing an 'enforcement PMS color?'. > I think they can put in for example bright red or something. > > Is there a way to generate such output directly from Ovpro in order to see the > final result before copying. I'm not sure exactly what you mean but I guess you could mean either that the printer renders black as a PMS colour or that you want to print in black plus a spot colour. If you mean the former, then you can preview it quite simply by redefining 'black' as whatever CMYK colour you want (if the printer is really using PMS colours then get hold of the 'generic' colour chart for Ovation). You may need to redefine it again as black before sending to the printer depending on the process you and/or the printer are using. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 11 02:48:38 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA129937 for opro ; Tue, 11 Jul 100 02:48:35 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 963271364:10:13450:17; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 23:22:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1102406; 10 Jul 2000 23:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA28203 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 23:20:28 +0100 Received: from renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk (renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk [129.215.13.3]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA28200 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 23:20:25 +0100 Received: from local (dialup-110.publab.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.110]) by renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id AAA13397 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 00:19:39 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 23:18:16 +0100 From: Steve Fryatt Message-ID: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Rule Offs X-Editor: Zap 1.44 (03 Mar 2000) [TEST 2], ZapEmail 0.24 (26 Aug 1999) patch-9 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I'm trying to reproduce the Rule-Off feature from Impression, where it's possible to set a style that draws a line under (or over) every line of text: this would be for chapter headings in a booklet. I can't find any reference in the manual (apart from in the Glossary), using version 2.58. Is it possible to do, and if so, how? -- Steve Fryatt stevef@tardis.ed.ac.uk http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~stevef/ * Only 174 days to go until the new Millennium... -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 11 03:03:21 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA129946 for opro ; Tue, 11 Jul 100 03:03:19 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 963280523:10:12865:15; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 01:55:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1012799; 11 Jul 2000 1:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA28571 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 01:54:24 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA28568 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 01:54:22 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13BpEu-000K38-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 01:53:37 +0000 Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 02:45:41 GMT Message-Id: <129933@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Type 5 error when closing Master page X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >As does creating a document via the >'New...' menu with no default master frame, edit masterpage, create a >blank frame, close masterpage window, drag sprite into frame, re-edit >masterpage, alter the frame size and close window. Interesting. Doesn't do it for me so far. I'll give it another go later. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 11 14:14:21 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA129948 for opro ; Tue, 11 Jul 100 14:14:19 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 963281134:11:13946:15; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 02:05:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1113935; 11 Jul 2000 2:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA28631 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 02:04:22 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA28627 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 02:04:20 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13BpOY-000KTO-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 02:03:34 +0000 Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 03:00:57 GMT Message-Id: <129944@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Rule Offs X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R >I'm trying to reproduce the Rule-Off feature from Impression, where it's >possible to set a style that draws a line under (or over) every line of text: >this would be for chapter headings in a booklet. As of now I think your only option is to draw a horizontal line, and embed it in the text. For a modest number of lines this should not be too bad. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 11 14:14:24 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA129949 for opro ; Tue, 11 Jul 100 14:14:22 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 963312099:21:28723:17; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 10:41:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2006579; 11 Jul 2000 10:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA29655 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 10:36:30 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA29652 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 10:36:28 +0100 Received: from usercl27.uk.uudial.com (Art) [62.188.154.168] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13BxO9-0006fy-00; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 11:35:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mr Gavin Crawford To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 09:17:10 +0100 Subject: Re: Type 5 error when closing Master page Message-ID: <49dc55cc81gavcrawf@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <129933@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <129933@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <129933@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >As does creating a document via the > >'New...' menu with no default master frame, edit masterpage, create a > >blank frame, close masterpage window, drag sprite into frame, re-edit > >masterpage, alter the frame size and close window. > Interesting. Doesn't do it for me so far. I'll give it > another go later. I've now done some other tests: I get the type5 even after removing all other applets (except the ColSupp). I get the type 5 errors (under the same conditions) when using 2.46 and ColSupp1.0. This is my unaltered 2.46 that I use as a base for upgrades, so nothing has been added and the only applets installed are !ColSupp and !Ovation1 I've also tried a standard J233 boot structure with nothing added and with no other apps being run and still produce the error every time. I've tested it on RO3.7, 3.71 and 4.02 (all on a SA) and get the same results every time, but only in the initial frame on the master page. BTW it also produces the error with Artwork files. Gav. -- Gavin Crawford gavcrawf@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 11 14:14:50 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA129959 for opro ; Tue, 11 Jul 100 14:14:48 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 963317464:11:25790:16; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:11:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1003508; 11 Jul 2000 12:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA29904 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:05:18 +0100 Received: from chalfont.mail.uk.easynet.net (chalfont.mail.uk.easynet.net [195.40.1.44]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA29901 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:05:17 +0100 Received: from tnt-3-88 (tnt-3-88.easynet.co.uk [195.40.202.88]) by chalfont.mail.uk.easynet.net (Postfix) with SMTP id BB309F8216 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 13:04:27 +0100 (BST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 10:11:33 +0100 Subject: Re: Rule Offs Message-ID: <49dc5ac74drayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <129944@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <129944@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro David Pilling wrote: > >I'm trying to reproduce the Rule-Off feature from Impression, where > >it's possible to set a style that draws a line under (or over) every > >line of text: this would be for chapter headings in a booklet. > As of now I think your only option is to draw a horizontal line, and > embed it in the text. For a modest number of lines this should not be > too bad. I thought it might be possible by creating a style with Underline set and the text V shift set to 50% or higher. Then set a tab for the whole length of the line. In theory, if you set this style, write some text and tab after it, it should give a line length underline (to the tab marker) with the underline depth dependant upon V shift. But then I discovered that ticking/unticking the Word option in underline didn't allow me to underline tabs or spaces. Shouldn't it? Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 020 8864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 11 17:31:37 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA129977 for opro ; Tue, 11 Jul 100 17:31:36 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 963325153:21:07118:19; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:19:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2026932; 11 Jul 2000 14:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA30206 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:10:12 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA30203 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:10:10 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13C0iu-0001ve-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:09:20 +0000 Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:19:41 GMT Message-Id: <129962@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Viewfinder (resolved) X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, I've had an email from John Kortink today which says that the problems using OvationPro with his Viewfinder card are due to the podule's EASI space not being accessible from user mode by default. In new versions it is. Maybe you can twiddle something to make it accesible? Otherwise I guess you have to update your firmware if this is a problem. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 11 21:35:04 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA129990 for opro ; Tue, 11 Jul 100 21:35:02 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 963346960:20:03789:23; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 20:22:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2111311; 11 Jul 2000 20:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA30897 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 20:16:50 +0100 Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-11.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.21]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA30894 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 20:16:48 +0100 Received: from [212.238.81.99] (helo=neptune.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.14 #4) id 13C6Rm-0007Vb-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 20:16:02 +0000 Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 19:43:00 +0100 (GMT) From: Nico ter Haar Subject: Re: printing black/white + PMS color To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Neptune, the Netherlands. X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Mon 10 Jul, David Graddol wrote: > Nico ter Haar wrote: > > > Hello all, > > > > I've a small phamplet style I have to reproduce about 50 times, probably > > gone be 10 pages A4. Now there is some color in it, but a full color > > copy will cost a fortune and is unfortunately out of the question. > > > I'm not sure exactly what you mean but I guess you could mean > either that the printer renders black as a PMS colour or that you > want to print in black plus a spot colour. If you mean the I mean the latter. Any suggestions about that? Thanks anyway. regards nico -- Nico ter Haar, StrongARM 202MHz / RISC OS 4 at home! SOON ----> Carbase - all dutch 1999 cars on a RISCOS compatible CD ! mailto:nico@neptune.demon.nl http://www.neptune.demon.nl/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 11 22:31:50 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA129991 for opro ; Tue, 11 Jul 100 22:31:48 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 963347796:10:10172:15; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 20:36:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1117780; 11 Jul 2000 20:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA30977 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 20:35:45 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA30974 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 20:35:44 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13C6k6-000Cch-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 20:34:58 +0000 Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 21:21:49 GMT Message-Id: <129988@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Type 5 error when closing Master page X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I've also tried a standard J233 boot structure with nothing added and >with no other apps being run and still produce the error every time. >I've tested it on RO3.7, 3.71 and 4.02 (all on a SA) and get the same >results every time, but only in the initial frame on the master page. OK, I've seen it go wrong now. On 2.52 and 2.58. But not on 2.59. Could it be I've fixed whatever is wrong... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jul 12 02:31:10 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA130006 for opro ; Wed, 12 Jul 100 02:30:58 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 963355167:21:19710:39; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 22:39:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2120026; 11 Jul 2000 22:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA31341 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 22:37:09 +0100 Received: from renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk (renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk [129.215.13.3]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA31338 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 22:37:06 +0100 Received: from local (dialup-111.publab.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.111]) by renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id XAA05193 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 23:36:20 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 23:24:10 +0100 From: Steve Fryatt To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Rule Offs Message-ID: References: <129944@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <129944@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 X-Editor: Zap 1.44 (03 Mar 2000) [TEST 2], ZapEmail 0.24 (26 Aug 1999) patch-9 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 11 Jul, in message <129944@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > >I'm trying to reproduce the Rule-Off feature from Impression, where it's > >possible to set a style that draws a line under (or over) every line of > >text: this would be for chapter headings in a booklet. > > As of now I think your only option is to draw a horizontal line, and embed > it in the text. For a modest number of lines this should not be too bad. Thanks for that: this solution seems to be fine for the half-a-dozen headings I needed. -- Steve Fryatt - Edinburgh, Scotland stevef@tardis.ed.ac.uk http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~stevef/ * Only 173 days to go until the new Millennium... -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jul 12 22:42:44 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA130044 for opro ; Wed, 12 Jul 100 22:42:41 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 963436242:10:29595:17; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 21:10:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1111510; 12 Jul 2000 21:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA01382 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 21:08:56 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA01197 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 19:35:38 +0100 Received: from gvine.demon.co.uk ([158.152.98.218]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13CSHT-00012M-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 19:34:52 +0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 20:37:59 +0100 Subject: CD version From: "Alan Muscat" To: Ovation Pro Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro David When will the CD version of OPro be ready? Alan Muscat -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jul 12 22:42:52 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA130045 for opro ; Wed, 12 Jul 100 22:42:42 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 963436470:20:06358:82; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 21:14:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2006220; 12 Jul 2000 21:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA01357 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 21:05:13 +0100 Received: from mashie.force9.net (mashie.force9.net [195.166.128.30]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA01354 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 21:05:11 +0100 Received: (qmail 11406 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2000 21:14:32 -0000 Received: from rack.servers.plus.net.uk (212.159.2.65) by mashie.force9.net with SMTP; 12 Jul 2000 21:14:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 1060 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2000 21:02:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (212.159.23.111) by rack.servers.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 12 Jul 2000 21:02:40 -0000 Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 21:03:03 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: printing black/white + PMS color To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Tue 11 Jul, Nico ter Haar wrote: > In on Mon 10 Jul, David Graddol wrote: > > Nico ter Haar wrote: > > > > > Hello all, > > > > > > I've a small phamplet style I have to reproduce about 50 times, probably > > > gone be 10 pages A4. Now there is some color in it, but a full color > > > copy will cost a fortune and is unfortunately out of the question. > > > > > > I'm not sure exactly what you mean but I guess you could mean > > either that the printer renders black as a PMS colour or that you > > want to print in black plus a spot colour. If you mean the > > I mean the latter. Any suggestions about that? > Thanks anyway. > > regards > nico > Do you need a precise Pantone match, or will a near spot colour be acceptable? If a precise match you will probably have to restrict the colour to one or two sheets, output those through a colour laser and do te rest in BW. If you do not need the precise colour here are some options which may be of interest (or may not). Very basic is find someone with a copier which can use coloured toner - still monochrome. Some Canon copiers have this facility. Set up your document in OPro with black plus spot colour and print separations. Get the sheets copied in the colour from that separation first, put them back in copy the other separation with black toner. (Take the advice of the person with the copier on print order, their experience may suggest the opposite order than I've described.) The colour options are very limited - a blue, a muddy red, a muddy green, and maybe another - and registration will never be precise. this process might suit a coloured banner for the front sheet with text in black not touching the banner. A refinement of the above - I think there are/were some copiers with two colours of toner which have a digitising pen attachment. Put your original in place, mark the corners of the area to be in contrasting colour with the digitising pen and press the copy button for 2-colour output. Registration is probably better than above because it is a one-pass copy, but the choice of colours is probably similarly limited, and you cannot overlap the colours. Slightly more fiddly to do, with a wider choice of colours and certainly more expensive, is the Omnicrom colour replacement system from Letraset (at least it was) - I think there was also another brand with the same technology. This uses sheets of colour, when placed in contact with laser print or _some_ photocopies and passed through heated rollers the colour adheres to the black toner. Again the easiest way to produce your documents would be print the colour separation, colour it, put the sheets back to over-print (or photocopy) the black. By using the carrier film (use once and throw away) when the colour is not overlaid by black you can prepare the documnet all in black, cut out patches of the colour replacement film and pass it through the heated rollers with no need to over-print. In a previous job (must be 10-12 years ago) I bought Omnicrom as a cheaper alternative to getting A4 posters offset printed in colour on coloured stock in short runs (50-100). I also used it once or twice for spot colour within an otherwise black printed poster for similar 50ish runs. By now you are probably thinking that colour copying is not so expensive compared to the cost of the time spent on the alternatives! Depends on whether your time is available and/or chargeable. Hope all this waffle is of some interest or use. Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jul 12 22:42:54 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA130046 for opro ; Wed, 12 Jul 100 22:42:51 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 963436253:10:29743:15; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 21:10:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1111647; 12 Jul 2000 21:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA01389 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 21:09:00 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA01381 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 21:08:56 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13CTjm-0007x4-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 21:08:10 +0000 Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 21:41:12 GMT Message-Id: <130041@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: CD version X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R >When will the CD version of OPro be ready? There are 2 yew trees outside my office window which are half an inch high, I reckon the CD will be out well before they reach 30 feet. Seriously things are moving slowly, I read a piece of email last week where I said in April "definitely before the end of June". As of now the programming is nearly finished, and editing the manual is just about there. There remains designing the CD and getting into a position to produce CD's. End of August... I have it in mind that I will allow the people who are going to get the CD for free anyway (serial numbers >=5000) to access the new version off my web site in the next week or so. And if anyone else is desperate to use the new version (e.g. for loading Impression documents) then I'm prepared to accept payment for the upgrade (ukp 35) and again grant them immediate access via the web. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jul 13 03:11:42 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA130067 for opro ; Thu, 13 Jul 100 03:11:39 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 963443499:20:02180:18; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 23:11:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2125586; 12 Jul 2000 23:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA01895 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 23:07:12 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA01892 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 23:07:10 +0100 Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([158.152.204.98]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13CVaC-000AHp-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 23:06:25 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 23:59:22 +0100 Subject: Re: CD version Message-ID: <49dd2a6728john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <130041@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <130041@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <130041@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > And if anyone else is desperate to use the new version (e.g. for loading > Impression documents) then I'm prepared to accept payment for the upgrade > (ukp 35) and again grant them immediate access via the web. Which will probably put the project back another month whilst David deals with the sudden influx of cheques. ;-) -- John Cartmell, Manchester UK Fleur Designs designer products for individuals & education services craft products ~ information products ~ information services ** New Product - Krikos - designer board game for chess players ** -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jul 13 03:11:51 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA130069 for opro ; Thu, 13 Jul 100 03:11:49 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 963448315:21:15975:15; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 00:31:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2014880; 13 Jul 2000 0:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA02139 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 00:31:10 +0100 Received: from smtp4.ihug.co.nz (smtp4.ihug.co.nz [203.109.252.5]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA02136 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 00:31:06 +0100 Received: from johnb.ihug.co.nz (p22-tnt5.akl.ihug.co.nz [203.109.194.22]) by smtp4.ihug.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with SMTP id MAA08670 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:30:08 +1200 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 11:41:09 +1200 (GMT) From: John Brown Subject: Re: CD version To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <130041@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: John Brown, Auckland, New Zealand X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 13 Jul, David Pilling wrote: > > >When will the CD version of OPro be ready? > > There are 2 yew trees outside my office window which are half an inch high, > I reckon the CD will be out well before they reach 30 feet. I like it but are you sure they are not oaks - whence cometh the acorns. Cheers John Brown Whose opinions are his own: facts *might* just relate to the club. -- J.M.A. Brown |Secretary/Treasurer, Acorn Users Auckland 35 Laurie Ave |For club matters contact me via email if you can Parnell Auckland 1|RiscPC610,StrongARM & !InetSuite Tel:+64 9 3790278 |Almost perfect:'Rolls-Royce' Acorn -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jul 13 13:11:52 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA130071 for opro ; Thu, 13 Jul 100 13:11:51 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 963455344:10:28886:16; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 02:29:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1028732; 13 Jul 2000 2:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA02575 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 02:12:57 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA02572 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 02:12:55 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13CYTx-000Kri-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 02:12:09 +0000 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 00:13:45 GMT Message-Id: <130055@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: A7k and Opro problem X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I took my class in to use OPro this morning; OPro boots up as normal, >appears on the bar; someone opens a new document, the caret is there; they >start to type; the caret disappears. No text at all. >Alt/Bk. Are you saying they started typing and OPro hung the machine? >and version 2.50 of Opro A curious version - old. I suppose the usual thing, what changed? These programs are deterministic same input, same output. So if it has worked until now, something must have changed to stop it working. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jul 13 13:11:54 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA130072 for opro ; Thu, 13 Jul 100 13:11:52 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 963454489:20:11088:18; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 02:14:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2011090; 13 Jul 2000 2:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA02570 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 02:12:52 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA01832 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 22:44:44 +0100 Received: from krowdrah.demon.co.uk ([158.152.151.91]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13CVEU-0008kx-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 22:43:59 +0000 Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 22:15:24 +0100 (BST) From: P Hutton Subject: A7k and Opro problem To: P Hutton Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Dear all A mysterious thing has happened- at school we have one A7k with RO3.7, and version 2.50 of Opro (all the other 17 A4000s, A5000 and 2 RiscPCs have it too). I took my class in to use OPro this morning; OPro boots up as normal, appears on the bar; someone opens a new document, the caret is there; they start to type; the caret disappears. No text at all. Alt/Bk. Re-load. Same effect. Even tried to drag out a fram; the caret remains as across hair, drags out one fame- and the corss hair remains, but has no effect at all- no buttons can be clicked. Any ideas? All welcomed! -- Paul Hutton E-mail: p.hutton@krowdrah.co.uk Web: http://www.krowdrah.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jul 13 13:11:57 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA130074 for opro ; Thu, 13 Jul 100 13:11:56 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 963454552:20:11877:30; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 02:15:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2120011; 13 Jul 2000 2:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA02585 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 02:13:04 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA02582 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 02:13:02 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13CYU3-000Kri-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 02:12:15 +0000 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 00:13:51 GMT Message-Id: <130059@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: CD version X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >.. I take it this will be by cheque with covering letter, or can we barter >with old Tesco computer coupons instead :-) Yes, cheque with order. I think it was that company with an X that used to sell Acorn things for Tesco coupons. As I said this is only an option for those with a good reason to need the new program now. Otherwise if I were you I'd wait. This option doesn't make things any better for me, more admin etc. And you only gain the program, not the new documentation. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jul 13 13:12:02 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA130076 for opro ; Thu, 13 Jul 100 13:11:59 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 963454793:20:14710:20; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 02:19:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2014684; 13 Jul 2000 2:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA02580 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 02:13:01 +0100 Received: from smtp.screaming.net (smtp.screaming.net [212.49.224.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA01879 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 23:06:15 +0100 Received: from screaming.net (dyn164-ras11.screaming.net [212.49.234.164]) by smtp.screaming.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA02652 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 23:07:41 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Roger E Lakeman To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 00:07:55 +0100 Subject: Re: CD version Message-ID: <49dd2b2f92roger@oldbill.screaming.net> In-Reply-To: <130041@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <130041@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 12 Jul, David Pilling wrote: > >When will the CD version of OPro be ready? > I have it in mind that I will allow the people who are going to get the >CD > for free anyway (serial numbers >=5000) to access the new version off my > web site in the next week or so. Drat.. my one is serial 02715 :-( > And if anyone else is desperate to use the new version (e.g. for loading > Impression documents) then I'm prepared to accept payment for the upgrade > (ukp 35) and again grant them immediate access via the web. .. I take it this will be by cheque with covering letter, or can we barter with old Tesco computer coupons instead :-) -- Presently located in Didcot - Oxfordshire - England -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jul 13 13:12:04 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA130077 for opro ; Thu, 13 Jul 100 13:12:03 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 963485068:10:08416:15; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 10:44:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1116615; 13 Jul 2000 10:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA04021 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 10:41:44 +0100 Received: from saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk (saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk [147.143.102.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA04018 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 10:41:42 +0100 Received: from sees.bangor.ac.uk (nfcrpc7.sees.bangor.ac.uk [147.143.6.182]) by saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA76400 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 11:40:56 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from kerslake@sees.bangor.ac.uk) Message-ID: <396D9CB7.A8BE862E@sees.bangor.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 11:40:55 +0100 From: "John P. Kerslake" Organization: SOI, University of Bangor X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: CD version References: <130041@pilling.demon.co.uk> <49dd2a6728john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <49dd5a4d40steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I must check my AU cd again. I assumed that the title Spark was a misprint of sparkplug. Steven Pampling wrote: > In article <49dd2a6728john@cartmell.demon.co.uk>, > John Cartmell wrote: > > In article <130041@pilling.demon.co.uk>, > > David Pilling wrote: > > > And if anyone else is desperate to use the new version (e.g. for > > > loading Impression documents) then I'm prepared to accept payment for > > > the upgrade (ukp 35) and again grant them immediate access via the web. > > > Which will probably put the project back another month whilst David deals > > with the sudden influx of cheques. ;-) > > He'll probably hire a secretary from the income from Acorn User (that copy > of Spark on the CD - oops :) > > How about an alternate David, we send the order and cheque, you send the CD > when it's ready? (and if you reckon it's stable *maybe* you do the web > access version) > > Ain't it terrible when people want to pay you? > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message -- John Percy Kerslake B.Sc., F.B.I.S., kerslake@sees.bangor.ac.uk Web Page = http://www.sees.bangor.ac.uk/~kerslake/welcome.htm Pager =07626-235878, Work =01248-351151 ext. 2730/3850, Fax 01248-361429 Dyslexia rules K. O. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jul 13 13:12:22 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA130084 for opro ; Thu, 13 Jul 100 13:12:19 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 963474962:20:25901:20; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 07:56:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2025843; 13 Jul 2000 7:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA03613 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 07:53:21 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA03610 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 07:53:19 +0100 Received: from usereu61.uk.uudial.com (62.188.17.145) [62.188.17.145] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13CdnL-0001yE-00; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 08:52:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 08:42:33 +0100 Subject: Re: CD version Message-ID: <49dd5a4d40steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <49dd2a6728john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> References: <130041@pilling.demon.co.uk> <49dd2a6728john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <49dd2a6728john@cartmell.demon.co.uk>, John Cartmell wrote: > In article <130041@pilling.demon.co.uk>, > David Pilling wrote: > > And if anyone else is desperate to use the new version (e.g. for > > loading Impression documents) then I'm prepared to accept payment for > > the upgrade (ukp 35) and again grant them immediate access via the web. > Which will probably put the project back another month whilst David deals > with the sudden influx of cheques. ;-) He'll probably hire a secretary from the income from Acorn User (that copy of Spark on the CD - oops :) How about an alternate David, we send the order and cheque, you send the CD when it's ready? (and if you reckon it's stable *maybe* you do the web access version) Ain't it terrible when people want to pay you? -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jul 13 19:26:45 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA130106 for opro ; Thu, 13 Jul 100 19:26:43 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 963495992:10:28854:15; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 13:46:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1028737; 13 Jul 2000 13:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA04482 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 13:43:13 +0100 Received: from smtp02.wxs.nl (smtp02.wxs.nl [195.121.6.60]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA04173 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 11:21:45 +0100 Received: from delink.wxs.nl ([195.121.164.239]) by smtp02.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with SMTP id AAA418A for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 13:20:56 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Sprangers To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 13:20:16 +0200 Subject: Viewfinder (resolved) Message-ID: <49dd6e3be3delink@wxs.nl> In-Reply-To: <129962@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <129962@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.14e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro David Pilling wrote, > I've had an email from John Kortink today which says that the > problems using OvationPro with his Viewfinder card are due to > the podule's EASI space not being accessible from user mode by default. > In new versions it is. > Maybe you can twiddle something to make it accesible? > Otherwise I guess you have to update your firmware if this is a problem. The new firmware (version 1.13) solved every problem with OvationPro. So there is no excuse left for denying ViewFinder! Kind regards, Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jul 13 19:26:47 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA130108 for opro ; Thu, 13 Jul 100 19:26:46 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 963496046:10:00218:15; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 13:47:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1108224; 13 Jul 2000 13:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA04481 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 13:43:12 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA04474 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 13:43:10 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13CjFr-000IQP-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 13:42:19 +0000 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 13:19:19 GMT Message-Id: <130088@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: CD version X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >How about an alternate David, we send the order and cheque, you send the CD >when it's ready? Well you might as well wait 'till it is ready. >(and if you reckon it's stable *maybe* you do the web access version) One advantage of making some copies available is that it would get it tested. The only testing that is likely to happen is by users. One disadvantage of stacking up back orders is that it is likely to lead to a lot of copies being put out in a short space of time at the start. And they're the ones likely to have problems. Anyway it was only a suggestion. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jul 13 19:27:01 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA130112 for opro ; Thu, 13 Jul 100 19:27:00 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 963512647:11:23694:20; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 18:24:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1015961; 13 Jul 2000 18:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA05179 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 18:19:21 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA05175 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 18:19:19 +0100 Received: from mk-net.demon.co.uk ([194.222.12.18] helo=Dell_p450.mk-net.demon.co.uk) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13CnZB-000Pok-0W for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 19:18:34 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 16:29:49 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: Tony van der Hoff Subject: Re: Viewfinder (resolved) References: <129962@pilling.demon.co.uk> <49dd6e3be3delink@wxs.nl> In-Reply-To: <49dd6e3be3delink@wxs.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 U Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <49dd6e3be3delink@wxs.nl>, Paul Sprangers writes > > >The new firmware (version 1.13) solved every problem with OvationPro. >So there is no excuse left for denying ViewFinder! > I do appear to have been on another planet lately ;-) What is Viewfinder? Anyone know of a URL for info? -- Tony van der Hoff | Mailto:tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk | Mailto:avanderhoff@iee.org Buckinghamshire, England | http:www.mk-net.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jul 13 20:12:05 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA130117 for opro ; Thu, 13 Jul 100 20:12:03 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 963515159:11:26558:17; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 19:05:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1125965; 13 Jul 2000 19:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA05369 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 19:04:40 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA05366 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 19:04:38 +0100 Received: from lowri.demon.co.uk ([194.222.175.160]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13CoH2-000Hb4-0V for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 20:03:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ian Lowry To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 20:03:47 +0100 Subject: Re: Viewfinder (resolved) Message-ID: <49dd98ab5eian@lowri.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <129962@pilling.demon.co.uk> <49dd6e3be3delink@wxs.nl> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Tony van der Hoff wrote: > In message <49dd6e3be3delink@wxs.nl>, Paul Sprangers [Snip] > I do appear to have been on another planet lately ;-) > What is Viewfinder? Anyone know of a URL for info? http://web.inter.nl.net/users/J.Kortink/viewfinder.htm Hope that helps, Ian -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jul 13 22:36:32 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA130126 for opro ; Thu, 13 Jul 100 22:36:30 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 963523339:20:27318:20; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 21:22:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2027287; 13 Jul 2000 21:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA05728 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 21:19:52 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA05725 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 21:19:50 +0100 Received: from usereu77.uk.uudial.com (62.188.17.161) [62.188.17.161] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13CqNr-00067Q-00; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 22:19:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 19:11:42 +0100 Subject: Re: CD version Message-ID: <49dd93e6bcsteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <396D9CB7.A8BE862E@sees.bangor.ac.uk> References: <130041@pilling.demon.co.uk> <49dd2a6728john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <49dd5a4d40steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> <396D9C User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <396D9CB7.A8BE862E@sees.bangor.ac.uk>, John P. Kerslake wrote: > I must check my AU cd again. I assumed that the title Spark was a > misprint of sparkplug. Probably a source of embarrassment for those concerned, but yes indeed they did put the wrong version on the CD. Not that it makes any difference for most people (I trust) 1. You already have a copy if you have any sense. 2. You'd have to be decidedly dishonest to use it unless it was paid for. OK, hands up all those who have the CD and need to pay. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jul 13 22:36:35 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA130127 for opro ; Thu, 13 Jul 100 22:36:32 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 963523397:21:20908:16; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 21:23:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2120504; 13 Jul 2000 21:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA05733 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 21:19:57 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA05730 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 21:19:54 +0100 Received: from usereu77.uk.uudial.com (62.188.17.161) [62.188.17.161] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13CqNu-00067Q-00; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 22:19:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 19:17:17 +0100 Subject: Re: CD version Message-ID: <49dd9469b9steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <130088@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <130088@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <130088@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > One advantage of making some copies available is that it would get it > tested. The only testing that is likely to happen is by users. OK, I volunteer. Anyone else for the list? Thirty five pounds you say? The cheque book is out, and waiting. I could do with updating the copy of SparkFS too, currently on 1.33 (e-mailed version) but I keep forgetting to send the original to you with the requisite begging letter :-) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jul 14 01:40:27 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA130132 for opro ; Fri, 14 Jul 100 01:40:25 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 963527610:20:26290:15; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 22:33:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2128910; 13 Jul 2000 22:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA06061 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 22:29:27 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA06058 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 22:29:25 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13CrTB-000KnN-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 22:28:37 +0000 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 22:41:39 GMT Message-Id: <130128@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: CD version X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >> I must check my AU cd again. I assumed that the title Spark was a >> misprint of sparkplug. At last I've checked this out, and yes it is Spark (not SparkPlug) the full version that can write archives on the CD. And no they didn't have my permission and it shouldn't be there. SparkFS is a lot better anyway 8-) >Thirty five pounds you say? Yes. >I could do with updating the copy of SparkFS too, currently on 1.33 >(e-mailed version) If anyone has a copy of SparkFS 1.33 which I emailed to them, then there is a patch for it at; http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk/sfs133b.zip The patch which is visible on the web sites is for the disc based SparkFS 1.33 and won't work on the email version. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jul 14 01:40:33 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA130134 for opro ; Fri, 14 Jul 100 01:40:31 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 963528516:21:19493:35; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 22:48:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2119407; 13 Jul 2000 22:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA06136 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 22:46:10 +0100 Received: from smtp2.jakinternet.co.uk (proxy.jakinternet.co.uk [212.41.43.4]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA06133 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 22:46:07 +0100 Received: from smtp.jakinternet.co.uk (smtp.jakinternet.co.uk [212.41.41.61]) by smtp2.jakinternet.co.uk (Postfix) with SMTP id 32F55A7722 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 23:44:10 +0100 (BST) Received: from martinl.redhotant.com ([212.41.38.124]) by smtp.jakinternet.co.uk ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 23:45:06 -0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Martin Longley To: P Hutton Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 23:37:26 +0100 Subject: Re: A7k and Opro problem Message-ID: <49ddac3ad5martinl@redhotant.com> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , P Hutton wrote: > Dear all > A mysterious thing has happened- at school we have one A7k with RO3.7, and > version 2.50 of Opro (all the other 17 A4000s, A5000 and 2 RiscPCs have it > too). > I took my class in to use OPro this morning; OPro boots up as normal, > appears on the bar; someone opens a new document, the caret is there; they > start to type; the caret disappears. No text at all. > Alt/Bk. > Re-load. Same effect. Even tried to drag out a fram; the caret remains as > across hair, drags out one fame- and the corss hair remains, but has no > effect at all- no buttons can be clicked. > Any ideas? All welcomed! 1) Empty the scrap file (always worth a try - particularly with Textease) 2) Switch on with shift held down Open !Boot.Resources (so Fonts, Scrap and System have been seen) Load OvPro If works ok then look in !Boot.Choices.Boot for something that is causing problem. The only sure way to check is to MOVE everything from predesk and Tasks, put back one by one until you find the culprit. If not ok then look in Fonts. Is there a Messages1 file? If so delete it. (Messages1 speeds up booting because it saves having to scan all the fonts. If however it does not match the fonts that are present then all sort of strange things can occur) Do you have Trinity, Homerton or Corpus iside !Fonts. If so then delete them. 3) Re-install OvPro HTH Martin Longley -- martinl@redhotant.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jul 14 14:17:21 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA130137 for opro ; Fri, 14 Jul 100 14:17:19 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 963564253:10:08500:15; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 08:44:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1007753; 14 Jul 2000 8:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA07282 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 08:38:41 +0100 Received: from saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk (saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk [147.143.102.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA07279 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 08:38:39 +0100 Received: from sees.bangor.ac.uk (nfcrpc7.sees.bangor.ac.uk [147.143.6.182]) by saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA32519 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 09:37:24 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from kerslake@sees.bangor.ac.uk) Message-ID: <396ED142.C701A686@sees.bangor.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 09:37:22 +0100 From: "John P. Kerslake" Organization: SOI, University of Bangor X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: CD version References: <130041@pilling.demon.co.uk> <49dd2a6728john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <49dd5a4d40steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> <396D9C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Sorry I left off the Joke> on and off flags in my last message. But seriously How much for !Spark? & can I order it at the same time as the cd? Steven Pampling wrote: > In article <396D9CB7.A8BE862E@sees.bangor.ac.uk>, > John P. Kerslake wrote: > > I must check my AU cd again. I assumed that the title Spark was a > > misprint of sparkplug. > > Probably a source of embarrassment for those concerned, but yes indeed they > did put the wrong version on the CD. > Not that it makes any difference for most people (I trust) > > 1. You already have a copy if you have any sense. > 2. You'd have to be decidedly dishonest to use it unless it was paid for. > > OK, hands up all those who have the CD and need to pay. > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message -- John Percy Kerslake B.Sc., F.B.I.S., kerslake@sees.bangor.ac.uk Web Page = http://www.sees.bangor.ac.uk/~kerslake/welcome.htm Pager =07626-235878, Work =01248-351151 ext. 2730/3850, Fax 01248-361429 Dyslexia rules K. O. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jul 14 14:17:24 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA130138 for opro ; Fri, 14 Jul 100 14:17:21 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 963570319:20:09682:17; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 10:25:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2009699; 14 Jul 2000 10:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA07648 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 10:23:58 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA07644 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 10:23:56 +0100 Received: from mk-net.demon.co.uk ([194.222.12.18] helo=Dell_p450.mk-net.demon.co.uk) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13D2cg-000M2r-0W for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 11:23:11 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 09:28:54 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: Tony van der Hoff Subject: Re: Viewfinder (resolved) References: <129962@pilling.demon.co.uk> <49dd6e3be3delink@wxs.nl> <49dd98ab5eian@lowri.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <49dd98ab5eian@lowri.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 U Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <49dd98ab5eian@lowri.demon.co.uk>, Ian Lowry writes >Tony van der Hoff wrote: >> In message <49dd6e3be3delink@wxs.nl>, Paul Sprangers > >[Snip] > >> I do appear to have been on another planet lately ;-) > >> What is Viewfinder? Anyone know of a URL for info? > >http://web.inter.nl.net/users/J.Kortink/viewfinder.htm > >Hope that helps, > Indeed, thank you. Seems like a good idea. -- Tony van der Hoff | Mailto:tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk | Mailto:avanderhoff@iee.org Buckinghamshire, England | http:www.mk-net.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jul 14 19:32:43 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA130155 for opro ; Fri, 14 Jul 100 19:32:40 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 963582727:11:15716:21; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 13:52:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1115222; 14 Jul 2000 13:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08182 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 13:49:08 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA08179 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 13:49:07 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13D5p1-000PKr-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 13:48:21 +0000 Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 14:39:28 GMT Message-Id: <130148@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: CD version X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >How much for !Spark? & can I order it at the same time as the cd? Spark costs ukp 6 all inclusive. And anyone with an original Spark disc can upgrade to SparkFS for the difference in price which is ukp 19 all inclusive plus their old disc. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jul 14 19:32:50 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA130159 for opro ; Fri, 14 Jul 100 19:32:48 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 963584618:11:28484:16; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 14:23:38 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1127226; 14 Jul 2000 14:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08291 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 14:19:05 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA08288 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 14:19:03 +0100 Received: from xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk ([212.228.137.218]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13D6I8-0004O4-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 14:18:14 +0000 Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 15:14:15 +0100 From: John Pettigrew Message-ID: X-Organization: XL Cambridge User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: New version of Clipboards applet X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro There is a new version of my Clipbrds applet available on Chris Johnson's OvPro resources site (http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/, IIRC). This new version (1.13) fixes a bug with the palette resizing and adds radio buttons to show which is the current clipboard. Clipbrds is an applet for OvationPro that makes it easier to use the multiple clipboards feature that was introduced in OvPro version 2.57. It does this by providing a palette that lets you cut, copy and paste to and from an individual clipboard, as well as to view the contents of any clipboard and change the number of clipboards available. John Pettigrew -- John Pettigrew XL Cambridge - Contract and freelance editing and writing Life sciences specialist - molecular biology, genetics, biotechnology john@xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk http://www.xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jul 14 19:32:58 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA130161 for opro ; Fri, 14 Jul 100 19:32:53 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 963586688:11:17890:23; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 14:58:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1117324; 14 Jul 2000 14:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08435 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 14:43:07 +0100 Received: from saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk (saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk [147.143.102.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA08432 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 14:43:05 +0100 Received: from sees.bangor.ac.uk (nfcrpc7.sees.bangor.ac.uk [147.143.6.182]) by saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA39765 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 15:42:19 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from kerslake@sees.bangor.ac.uk) Message-ID: <396F26C7.28F9019F@sees.bangor.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 15:42:15 +0100 From: "John P. Kerslake" Organization: SOI, University of Bangor X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: CD version References: <130148@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Sorry Dyslexia rules K. O. The correct question ( I hope) is :- How much for !SparkFS ? & can I order it at the same time as the cd? I have only recently upgraded to a system with a cd. Till I started using cd's spark plug unpacked OK. However, now I keep getting disc / device not ready error messages when opening compressed files. (RiscStation lite 16 megs ram 48X cd Risc OS 4.03) David Pilling wrote: > >How much for !Spark? & can I order it at the same time as the cd? > > Spark costs ukp 6 all inclusive. And anyone with an original Spark > disc can upgrade to SparkFS for the difference in price which is ukp 19 > all inclusive plus their old disc. > -- John Percy Kerslake B.Sc., F.B.I.S., kerslake@sees.bangor.ac.uk Web Page = http://www.sees.bangor.ac.uk/~kerslake/welcome.htm Pager =07626-235878, Work =01248-351151 ext. 2730/3850, Fax 01248-361429 Dyslexia rules K. O. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jul 14 22:37:34 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA130184 for opro ; Fri, 14 Jul 100 22:37:32 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 963604974:20:08496:15; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 20:02:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2008452; 14 Jul 2000 20:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA09193 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 19:56:06 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA09190 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 19:56:03 +0100 Received: from useray51.uk.uudial.com (62.188.139.141) [62.188.139.141] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13DBYJ-0006bD-00; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 20:55:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tony Humphreys To: Ovprolist Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 22:31:36 +0100 Subject: Problem with picture frames Message-ID: <49dda633d8tony.humphreys@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I seem to have developed a problem when using graphics in documents, namely when I double click select on a picture in order to get the re-size tool, the following error message appears: "Attempt to use unitialised bookmark." This is also happens when control clicking in order to use the OLE facility. I am using version 2.58 and have not had this problem when previously working on the same documents. The fault occurs when using either sprites or draw files. Thinking that it may be a problem with these particular files I have tried producing graphics in new documents only to get the same results. Any ideas? Tony -- TONY HUMPHREYS MILTON KEYNES BUCKS tony.humphreys@argonet.co.uk ================================================================= Use RISC OS - You know it makes sense -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jul 15 01:51:59 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA130189 for opro ; Sat, 15 Jul 100 01:51:56 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 963612493:20:22310:15; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 22:08:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2106847; 14 Jul 2000 22:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA09495 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 21:38:23 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA09492 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 21:38:20 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13DD9J-000LAI-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 21:37:33 +0000 Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 21:43:26 GMT Message-Id: <130181@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: CD version X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >How much for !SparkFS ? ukp 25 >can I order it at the same time as the cd? Yes. >I have only recently upgraded to a system with a cd. Till I started >using cd's spark plug unpacked OK. However, now I keep getting disc >/ device not ready error messages when opening compressed files. >(RiscStation lite 16 megs ram 48X cd Risc OS 4.03) Thats probably nothing to do with SparkPlug, and you'll get the same with any way of reading archives. Modern CD drives (it seems to me) take a long time after you insert a disc until they are ready to read it. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jul 15 14:14:51 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA130203 for opro ; Sat, 15 Jul 100 14:14:48 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 963662673:20:10137:15; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 12:04:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2009741; 15 Jul 2000 12:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA11139 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 12:03:19 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA11136 for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 12:03:17 +0100 Received: from userfl25.uk.uudial.com (62.188.24.14) [62.188.24.14] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13DQeM-0007gY-00; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 13:02:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 10:27:14 +0100 Subject: Re: CD version Message-ID: <49de6b8ed7steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <130128@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <130128@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <130128@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >> I must check my AU cd again. I assumed that the title Spark was a > >> misprint of sparkplug. > At last I've checked this out, and yes it is Spark (not SparkPlug) the > full version that can write archives on the CD. And no they didn't have > my permission and it shouldn't be there. > SparkFS is a lot better anyway 8-) Something I (and others) have been pointing out out on the newsgroups, it will be interesting to see how many cheques you get in the next few weeks. > >Thirty five pounds you say? > Yes. In the post, not because I *have* to have the new version,[1] but because it's time you had a little more money for the development work you've done to date. > >I could do with updating the copy of SparkFS too, currently on 1.33 > >(e-mailed version) > If anyone has a copy of SparkFS 1.33 which I emailed to them, then there > is a patch for it at; > http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk/sfs133b.zip > The patch which is visible on the web sites is for the disc based > SparkFS 1.33 and won't work on the email version. Done, thanks very much, and now back on the main stream updates - to version 1.37 I was much impressed to see the cab file support in there by the way, that will probably come in handy for hacking out specific files for work. Two questions: 1. Any plans to introduce write support for the additional archive types? 2. Did you know that certain of the cab files on the Win98 cd give an "unsupported compression method" error? [1]although testing the full version of 2.59 will prove how good the saved versions of converted Impression files are. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jul 15 14:14:58 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA130205 for opro ; Sat, 15 Jul 100 14:14:55 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 963662673:21:05789:15; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 12:04:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2009722; 15 Jul 2000 12:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA11108 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 11:57:09 +0100 Received: from mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (mta02-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.42]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA11105 for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 11:57:07 +0100 Received: from m458-mp1-cvx1c ([62.252.237.202]) by mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with SMTP id <20000715125541.TONU3760.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@m458-mp1-cvx1c> for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 12:55:41 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Sandford To: Ovprolist Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 10:07:12 +0100 Subject: Re: Problem with picture frames Message-ID: <49de69b940jms@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <49dda633d8tony.humphreys@argonet.co.uk> References: <49dda633d8tony.humphreys@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <49dda633d8tony.humphreys@argonet.co.uk>, Tony Humphreys wrote: > I seem to have developed a problem when using graphics in documents, > namely when I double click select on a picture in order to get the re-size > tool, the following error message appears: > "Attempt to use unitialised bookmark." > This is also happens when control clicking in order to use the OLE facility. > I am using version 2.58 and have not had this problem when previously working > on the same documents. The fault occurs when using either sprites or draw > files. Thinking that it may be a problem with these particular files I have > tried producing graphics in new documents only to get the same results. > Any ideas? > Tony Have you got an early version of the wordworks applet I believe this type of effect was noted by others with this applet. -- John Sandford Herts Uk. mail: jms@argonet.co.uk / sandford@ntlworld.com Domain: www: http://www.sandford-1.org.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jul 15 17:06:01 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA130229 for opro ; Sat, 15 Jul 100 17:05:58 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 963676656:21:04791:15; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 15:57:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2021259; 15 Jul 2000 15:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA11893 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 15:55:57 +0100 Received: from smtp2.jakinternet.co.uk (proxy.jakinternet.co.uk [212.41.43.4]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA11890 for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 15:55:55 +0100 Received: from smtp.jakinternet.co.uk (smtp.jakinternet.co.uk [212.41.41.61]) by smtp2.jakinternet.co.uk (Postfix) with SMTP id DE2A5A7707 for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 16:53:52 +0100 (BST) Received: from redhotant.com ([212.41.51.169]) by smtp.jakinternet.co.uk ; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 16:54:51 -0100 Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 15:26:34 +0100 From: Andy McMullon To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Problem with picture frames Message-ID: <56f686de49.andy@andymcmullon.redhotant.com> References: <49dda633d8tony.humphreys@argonet.co.uk> <49de69b940jms@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <49de69b940jms@argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Why does the link to Thesaurus use Ctrl-T when the other programmes I know (eg Fireworkz and TechWriter) use Ctrl-Q ? Can OvnPro be changed to use the alternative? -- skypilot@bigfoot.com / andy@mcfamily.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jul 15 17:06:01 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA130228 for opro ; Sat, 15 Jul 100 17:05:58 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 963670343:10:07509:15; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 14:12:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1111783; 15 Jul 2000 14:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA11573 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 14:11:05 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA11570 for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 14:11:03 +0100 Received: from mcfamily.demon.co.uk ([194.222.77.216]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13DSe1-000HDz-0Y for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 15:10:18 +0100 Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 15:10:51 +0100 From: Andy McMullon To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: CD version Message-ID: <2d8685de49.andy@andymcmullon.redhotant.com> References: <130128@pilling.demon.co.uk> <49de6b8ed7steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <49de6b8ed7steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I'm a new user of OvPro so appologies if any of my questions over the next few weeks are silly or obvious to others - I beg your indulgence for at leas a little while! At present I'm having trouble getting the DDF and RTF loaders to work. DDF files are imported as plain text with the Impression tags and RTF gives an error. Please tell me: Where do I put the Filters !TransDDF and !TransRTF? Do they go directly in the OvnPro Directory or in a seperate Filters directory? I've tried both and had no success. Note: I've already commented out the appropriate line in the !TransDDF fliter as per the instructions. I'm using v 2.58 of Ovation Pro with a SA RPC and RO4. -- skypilot@bigfoot.com / andy@mcfamily.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jul 15 17:06:11 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA130232 for opro ; Sat, 15 Jul 100 17:06:06 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 963676836:10:27819:15; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 16:00:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1127345; 15 Jul 2000 16:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA11938 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 15:59:53 +0100 Received: from hotmail.com (law-f269.hotmail.com [209.185.130.185]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA11935 for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 15:59:50 +0100 Received: (qmail 41429 invoked by uid 0); 15 Jul 2000 15:58:34 -0000 Message-ID: <20000715155834.41428.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 194.75.97.178 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 08:58:34 PDT X-Originating-IP: [194.75.97.178] From: "Paul Hedge" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Slightly Off Subject. Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 16:58:34 BST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Although I run two computers side by side I would be lost without my RISC PC and Ovation Pro. However, my printer is about to die on me. Can someone tell me where I look for a new RISC PC printer driver? The only ones I have found are for old models. At the moment I use a Canon 600e and have looked at the Canon 3000 but where do I get the driver from? The thought of transfering all my Ov.Pro files and writing to that awful Microsoft 'thingy' fills me with horror. If someone could point this worried playwright in the right direction I would be most grateful. Paul ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jul 17 22:25:56 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA130242 for opro ; Mon, 17 Jul 100 22:25:52 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 963677292:20:13085:17; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 16:08:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2012971; 15 Jul 2000 16:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA11994 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 16:07:12 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA11991 for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 16:07:10 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13DUSN-0006qi-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 16:06:24 +0000 Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 16:53:40 GMT Message-Id: <130226@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: CD version X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, >I was much impressed to see the cab file support in there by the way, that >will probably come in handy for hacking out specific files for work. Its a bit of a 'duff budgie' because MS only used zip deflation for early cabs, they then invented their own LZX algorithm, although that is documented, I'm not aware of source code for it. MS supply libraries to handle CAB's on Windows, so there is not much motivation for anyone to write LZX source code. >1. Any plans to introduce write support for the additional archive types? No. Which ones were you thinking of? You're probably better of not being able to write many of the old types like Zoo and Lzh. >2. Did you know that certain of the cab files on the Win98 cd give an >"unsupported compression method" error? LZX see above. I feel that some more work should be done, supporting encrypted Zips and split Zips. I also have a half completed RAR module. What would be nice would be full support for Mac Stuffits, but that is a proprietary format (not documented, has to be licenced, too dear for the number of RISC OS users). I also did a lot of work on the problem of why Zipping is half as fast as on an x86 machine. Presumeably the recent results with the Kinetic card have solved that one. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jul 17 22:25:59 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA130243 for opro ; Mon, 17 Jul 100 22:25:57 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 963678104:10:27534:15; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 16:21:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1027329; 15 Jul 2000 16:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA12126 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 16:20:11 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA12122 for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 16:20:09 +0100 Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([158.152.204.98]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13DUew-000PFS-0U for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 17:19:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 17:10:29 +0100 Subject: Re: Slightly Off Subject. Message-ID: <49de907a05john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <20000715155834.41428.qmail@hotmail.com> References: <20000715155834.41428.qmail@hotmail.com> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <20000715155834.41428.qmail@hotmail.com>, Paul Hedge wrote: > Although I run two computers side by side I would be lost without my > RISC PC and Ovation Pro. However, my printer is about to die on me. Can > someone tell me where I look for a new RISC PC printer driver? The only > ones I have found are for old models. > At the moment I use a Canon 600e and have looked at the Canon 3000 but > where do I get the driver from? The thought of transfering all my > Ov.Pro files and writing to that awful Microsoft 'thingy' fills me with > horror. Are you sure the 3000 isn't a 'dumb' printer - like the old Amstrad PCW printers? I'd suggest upgrading to the new printers (1.64) application and talking to Paul at EXPlan about the best printer to use. -- John Cartmell, Manchester UK Fleur Designs designer products for individuals & education services craft products ~ information products ~ information services ** New Product - Krikos - designer board game for chess players ** -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jul 17 22:26:03 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA130245 for opro ; Mon, 17 Jul 100 22:26:01 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 963678881:10:04182:15; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 16:34:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1003925; 15 Jul 2000 16:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA12244 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 16:33:54 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA12241 for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 16:33:52 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13DUsE-000CtY-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 16:33:06 +0000 Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 17:29:41 GMT Message-Id: <130237@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Problem with picture frames X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Yes you can redfine keys. Create a key macro for Ctrl Q with the body {'C_T} The Thesaurus (and link protocol) was a Beebug invention, so I don't know why they used different keys. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jul 17 22:26:05 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA130246 for opro ; Mon, 17 Jul 100 22:26:01 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 963680294:20:01181:17; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 16:58:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2113557; 15 Jul 2000 16:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA12466 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 16:56:28 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA12463 for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 16:56:26 +0100 Received: from userau13.uk.uudial.com (62.188.137.215) [62.188.137.215] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13DVE3-0000Hr-00; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 17:55:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Colin Carnegie) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 17:56:30 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.24 for RISC OS 4.02 Subject: Re: Slightly Off Subject. Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sat 15 Jul 2000 (17:10:29 +0100), john@cartmell.demon.co.uk wrote: > In article <20000715155834.41428.qmail@hotmail.com>, Paul Hedge > wrote: > > > At the moment I use a Canon 600e and have looked at the Canon 3000 > but > > where do I get the driver from? Explan have drivers for the BJC 3000 and BJC6000; The latter is faster and better because it has separate cartridges for Black nd CMY, and separate ink *tanks* for each colour - no throwing away a half full cartidge beause one colour has run out. I bought one (BJC6000) in PCWorld for only ukp99 and then the driver from Explan for ukp30 odd but Explan do a printer and driver package with a printer control utility app as well - don't remember current price but add a few pounds for carriage if you go this route. > > The thought of transfering all my > > Ov.Pro files and writing to that awful Microsoft 'thingy' fills me > with > > horror. > Are you sure the 3000 isn't a 'dumb' printer - like the old Amstrad PCW > printers? See above > I'd suggest upgrading to the new printers (1.64) application and > talking to Paul at EXPlan about the best printer to use. Ditto cOLIN cARNEGIE -- Colin Carnegie colinc@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jul 17 22:27:00 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA130258 for opro ; Mon, 17 Jul 100 22:26:53 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 963732035:21:00625:15; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 07:20:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2100588; 16 Jul 2000 7:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA14084 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 07:17:14 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA14081 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 07:17:11 +0100 Received: from userb630.uk.uudial.com (193.149.83.105) [193.149.83.105] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13Dif2-0005aC-00; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 08:16:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 22:02:31 +0100 Subject: Re: CD version Message-ID: <49deab3647steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <130226@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <130226@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <130226@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > Its a bit of a 'duff budgie' because MS only used zip deflation for early > cabs, they then invented their own LZX algorithm, although that is > documented, I'm not aware of source code for it. MS supply libraries > to handle CAB's on Windows, so there is not much motivation for > anyone to write LZX source code. Shame, that was one of the formats I was thinking of (below) > >1. Any plans to introduce write support for the additional archive > >types? > No. Which ones were you thinking of? You're probably better of not > being able to write many of the old types like Zoo and Lzh. Never found a use for those, although if I were looking at a really old PC floppy. > >2. Did you know that certain of the cab files on the Win98 cd give an > >"unsupported compression method" error? > LZX see above. Strange that they've mixed the cab file formats: some cabs read OK others do not. Still it is Microsoft, so strange is normal. > I feel that some more work should be done, supporting encrypted Zips > and split Zips. I also have a half completed RAR module. > What would be nice would be full support for Mac Stuffits, but that > is a proprietary format (not documented, has to be licenced, too > dear for the number of RISC OS users). And that was another format I was thinking of. > I also did a lot of work on the problem of why Zipping is half as fast > as on an x86 machine. Presumeably the recent results with the Kinetic > card have solved that one. > David Pilling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jul 17 22:27:05 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA130259 for opro ; Mon, 17 Jul 100 22:27:03 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 963747613:20:23082:15; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 11:40:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2106456; 16 Jul 2000 11:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA14596 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 11:34:05 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA14593 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 11:34:03 +0100 Received: from mcfamily.demon.co.uk ([194.222.77.216]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13Dmfa-000F1h-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 11:33:14 +0000 Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 12:32:48 +0100 From: Andy McMullon To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Strange button? Message-ID: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I have a strange button on my button bar next to the Spellcheck buttons. It has a number on it and inserts a strange code into the text (eg '1cb6d') whenever it is pressed - which causes the number on the button itself to change. What is this button for (it has no help text)? Assuming it is of no use to *me* then how may I get rid of it? -- skypilot@bigfoot.com / andy@mcfamily.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jul 17 22:27:12 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA130261 for opro ; Mon, 17 Jul 100 22:27:09 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 963768865:20:04419:15; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 17:34:25 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2004375; 16 Jul 2000 17:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA15283 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 17:31:41 +0100 Received: from scrabble.freeuk.net (scrabble.freeuk.net [212.126.144.6]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA15280 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 17:31:39 +0100 Received: from du-010-0167.freeuk.com ([212.126.153.167] helo=du-010-0167) by scrabble.freeuk.net with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1) id 13DsFg-0000Wt-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 18:30:53 +0100 Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 18:30:14 +0100 From: David Thomas To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Strange button? Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10a (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.11) POPstar/2.01b12 X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.19 pre-35 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Andy McMullon wrote: > I have a strange button on my button bar next to the Spellcheck buttons. > It has a number on it and inserts a strange code into the text (eg > '1cb6d') whenever it is pressed - which causes the number on the button > itself to change. > > What is this button for (it has no help text)? It's just a left over test for the new button types. > Assuming it is of no use to *me* then how may I get rid of it? You can delete it from the macro window. -- David Thomas http://www.tristone.co.uk/davespace/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jul 17 22:27:21 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA130265 for opro ; Mon, 17 Jul 100 22:27:19 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 963774104:21:18213:15; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 19:01:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2117772; 16 Jul 2000 19:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA15564 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 18:58:39 +0100 Received: from renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk (renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk [129.215.13.3]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA15561 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 18:58:37 +0100 Received: from localhost (dialup-111.publab.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.111]) by renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id TAA01046 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 19:57:50 +0100 (BST) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 14:22:37 +0100 From: Steve Fryatt To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Strange button? Message-ID: <8bf104df49.stevef@tardis.ed.ac.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 X-Editor: Zap 1.44 (03 Mar 2000) [TEST 2], ZapEmail 0.24 (26 Aug 1999) patch-9 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 16 Jul, in message Andy McMullon wrote: > I have a strange button on my button bar next to the Spellcheck buttons. > It has a number on it and inserts a strange code into the text (eg > '1cb6d') whenever it is pressed - which causes the number on the button > itself to change. > > What is this button for (it has no help text)? It sounds as though it's inserting an unique ID into the text (a bit like the Unique applet, though the description you give isn't exactly the same). > Assuming it is of no use to *me* then how may I get rid of it? Choose 'Misc->Macros' from the main menu, and scroll down the list until you find the icon (it will probably be near the bottom). Untick the radio icon on the right and click on 'Save' to remove it from the toolbar. -- Steve Fryatt - Edinburgh, Scotland stevef@tardis.ed.ac.uk http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~stevef/ * Only 168 days to go until the new Millennium... -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jul 17 22:27:23 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA130266 for opro ; Mon, 17 Jul 100 22:27:22 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 963779083:20:19936:16; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 20:24:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2120420; 16 Jul 2000 20:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA15784 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 20:22:28 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA15781 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 20:22:26 +0100 Received: from userax42.uk.uudial.com (62.188.139.33) [62.188.139.33] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13Duux-00046A-00; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 21:21:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tony Humphreys To: Ovprolist Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 20:42:11 +0100 Subject: Re: Problem with picture frames Message-ID: <49df27b1a3tony.humphreys@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <49de69b940jms@argonet.co.uk> References: <49dda633d8tony.humphreys@argonet.co.uk> <49de69b940jms@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <49de69b940jms@argonet.co.uk>, John Sandford wrote: > In article <49dda633d8tony.humphreys@argonet.co.uk>, > Tony Humphreys wrote: > > I seem to have developed a problem when using graphics in documents, > > namely when I double click select on a picture in order to get the re-size > > tool, the following error message appears: > > "Attempt to use unitialised bookmark." > > This is also happens when control clicking in order to use the OLE > facility. > > I am using version 2.58 and have not had this problem when previously > > working on the same documents. The fault occurs when using either sprites > > or draw files. Thinking that it may be a problem with these particular > > files I have tried producing graphics in new documents only to get the > > same results. > > Any ideas? > > Tony > Have you got an early version of the wordworks applet I believe this type > of effect was noted by others with this applet. Bingo! Have turned off the applet and everything is back to normal. Will have to get a more up to date version. Actually looking back through the mailing list I came across this problem having been discussed and had locked it for future reference, but had failed to make the connection. Must be old age creeping up on me :-). Thanks, Tony. -- TONY HUMPHREYS MILTON KEYNES BUCKS tony.humphreys@argonet.co.uk ================================================================= Use RISC OS - You know it makes sense -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jul 17 22:27:27 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA130267 for opro ; Mon, 17 Jul 100 22:27:24 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 963779882:20:15861:15; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 20:38:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2015755; 16 Jul 2000 20:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA15851 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 20:34:46 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA15848 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 20:34:44 +0100 Received: from usern168.uk.uudial.com (193.149.81.201) [193.149.81.201] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13Dv6s-0004SN-00; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 21:33:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: David Breakwell To: Ovprolist Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 12:01:26 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Problem with picture frames Message-ID: <49defd82e0davidb@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <49dda633d8tony.humphreys@argonet.co.uk> References: <49dda633d8tony.humphreys@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <49dda633d8tony.humphreys@argonet.co.uk>, Tony Humphreys wrote: > "Attempt to use unitialised bookmark." You're using an old release of !WordWrks at a guess - this has a bug that caused this error - download the latest version from the OP resources site. Cheers David Breakwell -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | davidb@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 18 21:52:16 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA130353 for opro ; Tue, 18 Jul 100 21:52:12 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 963949050:10:00406:15; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 19:37:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1029847; 18 Jul 2000 19:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA21039 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 19:28:55 +0100 Received: from smtp2.jakinternet.co.uk (proxy.jakinternet.co.uk [212.41.43.4]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA19820 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 07:21:32 +0100 Received: from smtp.jakinternet.co.uk (smtp.jakinternet.co.uk [212.41.41.61]) by smtp2.jakinternet.co.uk (Postfix) with SMTP id 6CEFDA77A4 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 08:19:22 +0100 (BST) Received: from redhotant.com ([212.41.32.209]) by smtp.jakinternet.co.uk ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 08:20:25 -0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: BarryT To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 08:20:05 +0100 Subject: URL Launch Message-ID: <49dfeb6c80Barry@redhotant.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Is it possible to launch URLs that are included as part of the text on a document page? -- Cheerio Barry -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 18 21:52:21 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA130355 for opro ; Tue, 18 Jul 100 21:52:19 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 963951587:10:08163:15; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 20:19:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1101349; 18 Jul 2000 20:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA21211 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 20:17:25 +0100 Received: from typhoon.mail.pipex.net (typhoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA21208 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 20:17:23 +0100 Received: (qmail 18514 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2000 20:16:37 -0000 Received: from user1216.dialdev.pipex.com (HELO loopback) (193.132.93.216) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2000 20:16:37 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 21:15:21 +0100 Subject: Re: URL Launch Message-ID: <49e03266d6dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <49dfeb6c80Barry@redhotant.co.uk> References: <49dfeb6c80Barry@redhotant.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro BarryT wrote: > Is it possible to launch URLs that are included as part of the > text on a document page? Yes, I do it quite a lot. Open your browser window, remove any default URL (Ctrl-U) Hilight the URL in the OvPro document. Click and hold the mouse pointer over the hilight for a second or so... a blue rectangle will appear, (continuing to hold the mouse button down) drag the rectangle to the URL bar of your Browser. Bob's yer wotsit. Cheers Dave S -- _______________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... dfs@ukgateway.net Also... df@dafs.freeserve.co.uk .. or... dave@triffid.co.uk http://www.dfs.ukgateway.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jul 19 14:00:45 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA130378 for opro ; Wed, 19 Jul 100 14:00:38 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 963970501:20:09718:15; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 01:35:01 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2009160; 19 Jul 2000 1:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA21872 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 01:33:18 +0100 Received: from delta.barnet.ac.uk (exim@delta.barnet.ac.uk [194.82.200.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA21857 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 01:33:13 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.39]) by delta.barnet.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.14 #6) id 13Eiiq-0007vY-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 01:32:28 +0000 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13Eihd-0004a4-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 01:31:13 +0000 Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 02:16:16 GMT Message-Id: <130372@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: URL Launch X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R >Is it possible to launch URLs that are included as part of the >text on a document page? OPro doesn't support hypertext links, I've long thought this would be a useful extension. So clicking on some text in a style is not possible. A scheme were you mark some text, and press a key to go to it would be easy enough to implement as a macro. It would be possible to emulate hypertext links using styles and bookmarks, but that would be a big project. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jul 19 14:00:47 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA130379 for opro ; Wed, 19 Jul 100 14:00:45 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 963970569:10:26504:15; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 01:36:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1119764; 19 Jul 2000 1:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA21873 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 01:33:20 +0100 Received: from delta.barnet.ac.uk (exim@delta.barnet.ac.uk [194.82.200.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA21862 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 01:33:14 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.39]) by delta.barnet.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.14 #6) id 13Eiir-0007vb-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 01:32:29 +0000 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13Eihe-0004a4-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 01:31:14 +0000 Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 02:20:08 GMT Message-Id: <130374@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Automatic loading of data into an Ovation file X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Does anyone know of a way of importing a file of data and inserting this into >the relevant positions. I would also prefer this to be executed from the >program that created the data. Depends on the data. The Impulse protocol is one way - see database programs like Impact. Another way is to use script commands to position the caret, and then use the ddl() command to execute DDL at it, thereby importing your data. >and is there a way of automatically running a script on the opening >of a particular file. Yes, there are events generated when documents are loaded, and documents can contain embeded tags. So you could have an applet which watched files being loaded, read a tag and executed the code in it. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jul 19 14:00:54 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA130380 for opro ; Wed, 19 Jul 100 14:00:46 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 963970502:20:09532:24; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 01:35:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2118282; 19 Jul 2000 1:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA21871 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 01:33:17 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA21743 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 00:31:37 +0100 Received: from jevans.demon.co.uk ([158.152.4.3] helo=jevans) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13EhlE-0003RP-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 00:30:52 +0000 Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 01:29:13 +0100 From: John Evans Message-ID: <23a549e049.John@jevans.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.07 (MsgServe/1.07a) (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.02 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Automatic loading of data into an Ovation file X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.23 (11 Feb 1999) alpha-4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Does anyone know of a way of importing a file of data and inserting this into the relevant positions. I would also prefer this to be executed from the program that created the data. I assume the scripts is the way forward on this but I don't really know where to begin and is there a way of automatically running a script on the opening of a particular file. -- John Evans -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jul 19 15:35:49 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA130401 for opro ; Wed, 19 Jul 100 15:35:37 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 964015485:20:17390:17; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 14:04:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2017124; 19 Jul 2000 14:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA23551 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 13:59:35 +0100 Received: from smtp2.jakinternet.co.uk (proxy.jakinternet.co.uk [212.41.43.4]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA22754 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 07:13:54 +0100 Received: from smtp.jakinternet.co.uk (smtp.jakinternet.co.uk [212.41.41.61]) by smtp2.jakinternet.co.uk (Postfix) with SMTP id 1E4BBA776C for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 08:11:41 +0100 (BST) Received: from redhotant.com ([212.41.34.191]) by smtp.jakinternet.co.uk ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 08:12:44 -0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: BarryT To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 08:10:44 +0100 Subject: Re: URL Launch Message-ID: <49e06e6798Barry@redhotant.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <49e03266d6dfs@ukgateway.net> References: <49dfeb6c80Barry@redhotant.co.uk> <49e03266d6dfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <49e03266d6dfs@ukgateway.net>, Dave Symes wrote: > BarryT wrote: > > Is it possible to launch URLs that are included as part of > > the text on a document page? > Yes, I do it quite a lot. > Open your browser window, remove any default URL (Ctrl-U) > Hilight the URL in the OvPro document. Click and hold the > mouse pointer over the hilight for a second or so... a blue > rectangle will appear, (continuing to hold the mouse button > down) drag the rectangle to the URL bar of your Browser. > Bob's yer wotsit. Nice one Dave, works a treat. > Cheers Dave S -- Cheerio Barry -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jul 19 17:54:43 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA130408 for opro ; Wed, 19 Jul 100 17:54:41 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 964023627:20:13675:18; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 16:20:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2113512; 19 Jul 2000 16:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA23916 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 16:18:18 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA23913 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 16:18:16 +0100 Received: from mcfamily.demon.co.uk ([194.222.77.216]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13EwXL-0009hL-0X for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 17:17:31 +0100 Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 16:32:10 +0100 From: Andy McMullon To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: MyFonts Message-ID: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I'm trying to print out a catalogue of MyFonts using the !FontCat Applet. I've managed to generate the Document but can't print it. I keep getting an out of memory message despite increasing the Font cahe to 16 Megs. Any ideas as to how I should be able to print it? -- skypilot@bigfoot.com / andy@mcfamily.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jul 20 13:18:50 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA130449 for opro ; Thu, 20 Jul 100 13:18:48 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 964077250:20:28721:15; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 07:14:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2028661; 20 Jul 2000 7:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA25472 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 07:03:21 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA25469 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 07:03:19 +0100 Received: from userek33.uk.uudial.com (62.188.13.143) [62.188.13.143] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13FALo-00022G-00; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 08:02:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 22:48:08 +0100 Subject: Ovation Pro CD Message-ID: <49e0bebbb3steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Interesting... I seem to have a newer version of the TransDDF Transloader than appears on the CD (Convert is dated 23 Dec 1999) the CD version is dated 06 Mar 1998 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jul 20 18:08:08 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA130469 for opro ; Thu, 20 Jul 100 18:08:06 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 964103678:20:24168:51; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 14:34:38 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2121730; 20 Jul 2000 14:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA00524 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 14:27:10 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA00521 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 14:27:08 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13FHGz-0007EZ-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 14:26:01 +0000 Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 15:08:46 GMT Message-Id: <130465@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ovation Pro CD X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I seem to have a newer version of the TransDDF Transloader than appears on >the CD (Convert is dated 23 Dec 1999) the CD version is dated 06 Mar 1998 Sorry about that. I got it wrong. Others can gather than I've now produced a few prototype CD's. I've discovered that it is easier to burn a CD than produce a Beebug style set of 8 floppies. So anyone buying a new OPro from now on will get a CD version. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jul 22 14:34:11 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA130548 for opro ; Sat, 22 Jul 100 14:34:09 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 964256224:20:11132:22; Sat, 22 Jul 2000 08:57:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2108163; 22 Jul 2000 8:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA05110 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 22 Jul 2000 08:39:15 +0100 Received: from mta4-svc.virgin.net (mta4-svc.virgin.net [194.168.54.145]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA05107 for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2000 08:39:12 +0100 Received: from bernard.hill.virgin.net ([194.168.120.18]) by mta4-svc.virgin.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with SMTP id <20000722083820.OFTM20084.mta4-svc.virgin.net@bernard.hill.virgin.net> for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2000 09:38:20 +0100 Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 12:50:21 +0100 (BST) From: "Bernard G. Hill" Subject: Re: CD version To: Ovation Mail In-Reply-To: <130088@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 13 Jul, David Pilling wrote: > > >How about an alternate David, we send the order and cheque, you send the CD > >when it's ready? > > Well you might as well wait 'till it is ready. > > >(and if you reckon it's stable *maybe* you do the web access version) > > One advantage of making some copies available is that it would get it > tested. The only testing that is likely to happen is by users. > > One disadvantage of stacking up back orders is that it is likely to > lead to a lot of copies being put out in a short space of time at the start. > And they're the ones likely to have problems. > > Anyway it was only a suggestion. > > > > David Pilling That is what the Boss said, "It's only a suggestion, but just remember who made it!" Look forward to the CD in due time, I share the opinion of many others, it's high time you had some financial reward, David, for all your faithful work. Bernard > > -- > email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk > web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling > web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk > post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. > fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 > > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message > > -- Bernard G. Hill Tel/Fax: 01633 880197 Zion, Church Road Undy, Caldicot e-mail bernard.hill@virgin.net NP26 3EN -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 25 22:48:51 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA130575 for opro ; Tue, 25 Jul 100 22:48:42 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 964292999:10:05593:28; Sat, 22 Jul 2000 19:09:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1128774; 22 Jul 2000 19:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA06259 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 22 Jul 2000 19:03:07 +0100 Received: from mail12.svr.pol.co.uk (mail12.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.215]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA06256 for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2000 19:03:05 +0100 Received: from modem-191.green-mandarin.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.23.191] helo=localhost) by mail12.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 13G4XB-000052-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 22 Jul 2000 20:02:02 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Simon Young To: Ovation Mail Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 19:59:03 +0100 Subject: Re: CD version Message-ID: <49e23ac2b6simon.young@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <130088@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02a (RISC-OS/4.03) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Dear All, In article , Bernard G. Hill wrote: > Look forward to the CD in due time, I share the opinion of many others, > it's high time you had some financial reward, David, for all your > faithful work. Well said ... I don't generally clutter mailing lists but I think everybody who has nad the pleasure of dealing with David would agree. Simon. -- Simon A. Young BPharm MRPharmS | Tel: 01705-842152 Lecturer in Pharmaceutics | Fax: 01705-843565 University of Portsmouth |e-mail: simon.young@port.ac.uk |e-mail: simon.young@argonet.co.uk ================================================================= Please visit our web-site located at: http://www.sci.port.ac.uk/pharmacy/drug_del.htm http://userwww.port.ac.uk/youngs ================================================================= -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 25 22:49:19 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA130587 for opro ; Tue, 25 Jul 100 22:49:17 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 964378288:20:23734:20; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 18:51:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2023632; 23 Jul 2000 18:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA08790 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 18:46:54 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA08787 for ; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 18:46:51 +0100 Received: from userck45.uk.uudial.com (62.188.154.87) [62.188.154.87] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13GQl0-0004zE-00; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 19:45:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: William McNee To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 12:53:00 +0100 Subject: Re: Ovation Pro CD Message-ID: <49e297973fw-mcnee@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <130465@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <130465@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.01i (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <130465@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > Others can gather than I've now produced a few prototype CD's. I've > discovered that it is easier to burn a CD than produce a Beebug style set > of 8 floppies. So anyone buying a new OPro from now on will get a CD version. Can you upgrade from the disc version to the CD? William -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 25 22:51:25 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA130600 for opro ; Tue, 25 Jul 100 22:51:24 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 964478903:21:07062:15; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 22:48:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2025898; 24 Jul 2000 22:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA11835 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 22:32:19 +0100 Received: from dove.mtx.net.au (dove.mtx.net.au [203.15.24.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA11832 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 22:32:15 +0100 Received: from pprewett.dove.net.au (pppk56a-112.mtx.net.au [203.30.53.112]) by dove.mtx.net.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA63028 for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 08:00:47 +0930 (CST) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 12:23:22 +0830 (GMT) From: Peter Prewett Subject: CD version To: Ovation Pro Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Will the CD have example files to enable the person who hates manuals to see exactly how the experts manage the effects :-)) Or is their a web site that will/does have a walk through for the beginner. Peter -- Peter Prewett, Coromandel Valley, South Australia -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 25 22:51:29 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA130601 for opro ; Tue, 25 Jul 100 22:51:27 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 964511857:20:11721:22; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 07:57:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2011534; 25 Jul 2000 7:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA13162 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 07:56:17 +0100 Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk [137.205.192.30]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA13159 for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 07:56:10 +0100 Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@pansy [137.205.192.19]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.10.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id e6P7t6e06385 for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 08:55:06 +0100 (BST) Received: from bashley (bashley [137.205.186.91]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.10.1/8.9.3) with SMTP id e6P7t5M04761 for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 08:55:06 +0100 (BST) From: "Nick Kaijaks" To: Subject: RE: Crop marks Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 08:53:13 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R > I am wanting to set up a page for Business Cards > 90 x 55, 4 up on a page with a 5mm space between the cards > A total area of 185mm x 115mm > > 1. How do I set the crop marks or do I have to do them manually? > > I have: > 1. Set The page size to that of the 4 up cards > This only gave me a message saying the paper is too small > Tick scale and it prints too small > 3. Set paper size to a point where, when I ticked Scale, it gave me 100% > But then I got crop marks to the paper size > > I would like the Crop Marks on each one of the 4 cards Set up a page size of 90x55, tick "use crops" and use "thumbnails" for the print format. Make sure you tick "all same" (so the same card gets repeated). The crops will then appear on all the thumbnails. Don't forget to tick "bleed" if you have anything going outside the boundary of the 90x55. Unless you have a special need, I'd probably just use regular A4 as the paper size in !Printers and let thumbnails decide how far apart to separate the cards - I can fit about 9 cards per A4 sheet if I recall. If you need for *only and absolutely only* 4-up with 5mm separation, then you can define a paper size in !Printers to be 195x125 (i.e. add about 10mm to what you've specified to allow room for the crop marks), and edit the x and y spacing in the thumbnails options to be 5mm. > 2. How do I get draw to recognise Spot Colour? It can't. Since Draw doesn't print separations anyway, I can't see what difference would it make whether a colour is defined as spot or process? Hope this helps, Nick -- Nick Kaijaks, Pinxit Design - Information Design for Internet and print http://www.kaijaks.co.uk/ mailto:nick@kaijaks.co.uk Disclaimer: caveat internettor -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 25 22:51:32 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA130604 for opro ; Tue, 25 Jul 100 22:51:30 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 964522000:21:21522:18; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 10:46:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2121368; 25 Jul 2000 10:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA13655 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 10:45:12 +0100 Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk [137.205.192.30]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA13652 for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 10:45:10 +0100 Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@pansy [137.205.192.19]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.10.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id e6PAhve23417 for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 11:43:57 +0100 (BST) Received: from bashley (bashley [137.205.186.91]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.10.1/8.9.3) with SMTP id e6PA8TM26132 for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 11:08:29 +0100 (BST) From: "Nick Kaijaks" To: Subject: RE: Crop marks Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 11:06:35 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Urban Promotions wrote: > Thanks > But I don't have "Thumbnail" in my- Print - Format selection > > Where does it come from? The original is on DP's site at: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk/ovationpro/applets/files/impo.zip My update which bugfixes a couple of things is at: http://www.kaijaks.co.uk/it/impoapp.zip Cheers, Nick -- Nick Kaijaks, Pinxit Design - Information Design for Internet and print http://www.kaijaks.co.uk/ mailto:nick@kaijaks.co.uk Disclaimer: caveat internettor -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 25 22:52:01 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA130618 for opro ; Tue, 25 Jul 100 22:51:59 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 964508444:10:24134:21; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 07:00:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1023990; 25 Jul 2000 7:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA12927 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 06:58:30 +0100 Received: from teapot06.domain1.bigpond.com (teapot06.domain1.bigpond.com [139.134.5.237]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA12924 for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 06:58:25 +0100 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by teapot06.domain1.bigpond.com (NTMail 3.02.13) with ESMTP id va903911 for MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Urban Promotions, http://www.users.bigpond.con/urban1 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Dear OPro Gang I am wanting to set up a page for Business Cards 90 x 55, 4 up on a page with a 5mm space between the cards A total area of 185mm x 115mm 1. How do I set the crop marks or do I have to do them manually? 2. How do I get draw to recognise Spot Colour? I have: 1. Set The page size to that of the 4 up cards This only gave me a message saying the paper is too small Tick scale and it prints too small 3. Set paper size to a point where, when I ticked Scale, it gave me 100% But then I got crop marks to the paper size I would like the Crop Marks on each one of the 4 cards Thank you -- Regards - Allan Butler, Urban Promotions, http://www.users.bigpond.com/urban1, urban1@bigpond.com 61 3 9355 7959. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 25 22:52:07 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA130621 for opro ; Tue, 25 Jul 100 22:52:05 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 964518055:10:21551:15; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 09:40:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1021090; 25 Jul 2000 9:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA13468 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 09:38:00 +0100 Received: from teapot06.domain1.bigpond.com (teapot06.domain1.bigpond.com [139.134.5.237]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA13465 for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 09:37:56 +0100 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by teapot06.domain1.bigpond.com (NTMail 3.02.13) with ESMTP id ia911412 for Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Urban Promotions, http://www.users.bigpond.con/urban1 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 25 Jul, Nick Kaijaks wrote: > > I am wanting to set up a page for Business Cards > > 90 x 55, 4 up on a page with a 5mm space between the cards > > A total area of 185mm x 115mm > > > > 1. How do I set the crop marks or do I have to do them manually? > > > > I have: > > 1. Set The page size to that of the 4 up cards > > This only gave me a message saying the paper is too small > > Tick scale and it prints too small > > 3. Set paper size to a point where, when I ticked Scale, it gave me 100% > > But then I got crop marks to the paper size > > > > I would like the Crop Marks on each one of the 4 cards > > Set up a page size of 90x55, tick "use crops" and use "thumbnails" for the > print format. Make sure you tick "all same" (so the same card gets > repeated). The crops will then appear on all the thumbnails. Don't forget to > tick "bleed" if you have anything going outside the boundary of the 90x55. Thanks But I don't have "Thumbnail" in my- Print - Format selection Where does it come from? > > > 2. How do I get draw to recognise Spot Colour? > > It can't. Since Draw doesn't print separations anyway, I can't see what > difference would it make whether a colour is defined as spot or process? > > Hope this helps, > Nick > > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message > -- Regards - Allan Butler, Urban Promotions, http://www.users.bigpond.com/urban1, urban1@bigpond.com 61 3 9355 7959. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jul 26 03:01:25 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA130676 for opro ; Wed, 26 Jul 100 03:01:24 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 964575791:10:19461:20; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 01:43:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1019396; 26 Jul 2000 1:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA15537 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 01:31:40 +0100 Received: from dove.mtx.net.au (dove.mtx.net.au [203.15.24.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA15534 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 01:31:35 +0100 Received: from pprewett.dove.net.au (pppk56a-236.mtx.net.au [203.30.53.236]) by dove.mtx.net.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA20667 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 11:00:17 +0930 (CST) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 11:00:23 +0830 (GMT) From: Peter Prewett Subject: CD version To: Ovation Pro Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Will the Cd version be an appendable rather than the usual closed type to allow those that have burners to make additions eg, update. backups, this will only apply it the disc is not full!! Peter -- Peter Prewett, Coromandel Valley, South Australia -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jul 26 03:01:29 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA130677 for opro ; Wed, 26 Jul 100 03:01:27 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 964576101:10:24645:16; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 01:48:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1024568; 26 Jul 2000 1:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA15614 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 01:47:49 +0100 Received: from teapot28.domain6.bigpond.com (teapot28.domain6.bigpond.com [139.134.5.197]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id BAA15611 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 01:47:45 +0100 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by teapot28.domain6.bigpond.com (NTMail 3.02.13) with ESMTP id ma345604 for Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Urban Promotions, http://www.users.bigpond.con/urban1 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 25 Jul, Nick Kaijaks wrote: > > > > The original is on DP's site at: > > http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk/ovationpro/applets/files/impo.zip > > My update which bugfixes a couple of things is at: > > http://www.kaijaks.co.uk/it/impoapp.zip > > Cheers, > Nick Just Like to say thanks to Nick It works a treat > -- > Nick Kaijaks, Pinxit Design - Information Design for Internet and print > http://www.kaijaks.co.uk/ > mailto:nick@kaijaks.co.uk Disclaimer: caveat internettor > > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message > -- Regards - Allan Butler, Urban Promotions, http://www.users.bigpond.com/urban1, urban1@bigpond.com 61 3 9355 7959. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jul 26 14:27:57 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA130678 for opro ; Wed, 26 Jul 100 14:27:56 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 964577615:10:23401:18; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 02:13:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1107910; 26 Jul 2000 2:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA15707 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 02:02:57 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA15703 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 02:02:54 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13HGW6-0006oW-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 02:01:50 +0000 Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 01:59:56 GMT Message-Id: <130650@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: RE: Crop marks X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >1. How do I set the crop marks or do I have to do them manually? Also of course the old Impression trick of using a crop mark style border works now. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jul 26 14:27:59 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA130679 for opro ; Wed, 26 Jul 100 14:27:57 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 964577008:21:00818:15; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 02:03:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2100769; 26 Jul 2000 2:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA15705 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 02:02:54 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA15699 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 02:02:52 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13HGW3-0006oW-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 02:01:47 +0000 Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 01:56:02 GMT Message-Id: <130648@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ovation Pro CD X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Can you upgrade from the disc version to the CD? Yes, if you bought OPro from me (serial number >= 5000) you get the CD upgrade free. Otherwise it costs you ukp 35 all inc. >Will the CD have example files to enable the person who hates manuals to >see exactly how the experts manage the effects :-)) To an extent. But probably not as much as you would like. I agree ideally I would have commissioned a DTP expert to write about how to use the program. But usual excuses about lack of resources apply. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jul 26 21:50:28 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA130750 for opro ; Wed, 26 Jul 100 21:50:26 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 964643360:20:12306:15; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 20:29:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2012224; 26 Jul 2000 20:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA17895 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 20:25:00 +0100 Received: from cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.171]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA17892 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 20:24:58 +0100 Received: from modem-71.dimbar.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.154.199] helo=beeston12) by cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 13HXic-0002d1-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 21:23:55 +0100 Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 19:44:03 +0100 From: Robin Phillips To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Merge Commands: Impact and OPro Message-ID: <1fbb48e449%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> X-Organization: home X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m User-Agent: POPstar/2.01b12 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Dear colleagues, I am trying to cope with inserting Merge tags into an OPro document. I am aware that Control, shift, M will insert a tag, or alternatively I can do this with Menu> Misc> Insert> Merge tag. but how do I insert the right command for the tag to call on? David Pilling replying to this sort of query a long while ago referred me to a document which i ought to download from the web-site, but I cannot identify which he meant, or whether it is still accessible since BeeBug gave it up. Many thanks in advance, Robin. -- Robin Phillips, 1, Newcastle Avenue, Beeston, Notts., NG9 1BT; Phone: +44 (0)115 922 4930 E-mail: rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jul 27 01:31:47 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA130768 for opro ; Thu, 27 Jul 100 01:31:40 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 964647307:20:16487:15; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 21:35:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2120268; 26 Jul 2000 21:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA18124 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 21:26:36 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA18121 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 21:26:34 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13HYgD-0009Nn-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 21:25:29 +0000 Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 21:55:33 GMT Message-Id: <130755@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Merge Commands: Impact and OPro X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I am trying to cope with inserting Merge tags into an OPro document. I am >aware that Control, shift, M will insert a tag, or alternatively I can do >this with Menu> Misc> Insert> Merge tag. but how do I insert the right >command for the tag to call on? At the lowest level tag #1 gets replaced by data field #1 in the CSV data file. However you can make things a lot more complex by adding commands. To do that you make use of fields feature that were introduced in version 2.48. How to use these is described in the 'advanced mail merge' document on the resources page of the OvationPro area of my web sites. >David Pilling replying to this sort of query a long while ago referred me to >a document which i ought to download from the web-site, but I cannot identify >which he meant, or whether it is still accessible since BeeBug gave it up. All the material about OvationPro on the Beebug web site was transfered to my web sites a year ago. Logical since I'd been maintaining the Beebug site for the last couple of years. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jul 27 01:31:55 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA130769 for opro ; Thu, 27 Jul 100 01:31:52 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 964647796:10:23126:15; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 21:43:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1022080; 26 Jul 2000 21:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA18186 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 21:36:05 +0100 Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-11.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.21]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA18182 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 21:36:02 +0100 Received: from [212.238.35.147] (helo=woltersd.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.14 #4) id 13HYpM-000MmX-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 21:34:57 +0000 Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 23:33:31 +0100 (BST) From: Dick Wolters Subject: Re: Merge Commands: Impact and OPro To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <1fbb48e449%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Wed 26 Jul, Robin Phillips wrote: > Dear colleagues, > > I am trying to cope with inserting Merge tags into an OPro document. I am > aware that Control, shift, M will insert a tag, or alternatively I can do > this with Menu> Misc> Insert> Merge tag. but how do I insert the right > command for the tag to call on? > > David Pilling replying to this sort of query a long while ago referred me to > a document which i ought to download from the web-site, but I cannot identify > which he meant, or whether it is still accessible since BeeBug gave it up. > It was a document (Making use of the new mail merge features in OvationPro 2.48) that came with the 2.48 and 2.49 upgrade versions. If you want it I can send it to you. Greetings, Dick -- D.Wolters -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jul 27 18:54:10 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA130805 for opro ; Thu, 27 Jul 100 18:54:06 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 964719823:20:19204:25; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 17:43:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2018760; 27 Jul 2000 17:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA20576 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 17:26:43 +0100 Received: from zx81.mersinet.co.uk (zx81.mersinet.co.uk [195.219.30.9]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA20333 for ; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 15:45:10 +0100 Received: from r12-003.linix.co.uk ([195.219.31.132] helo=mail.nrc.org.uk ident=root) by zx81.mersinet.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #2) id 13Hpow-0003cu-01 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 16:43:39 +0100 Received: (qmail 25200 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2000 12:23:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO SERVER1) (192.168.0.1) by 192.168.0.2 with SMTP; 27 Jul 2000 12:23:23 -0000 Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 13:23:18 +0100 From: Dave Brooks X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.36) S/N 3EA42095 Organization: NRC X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <0557.000727@mail.nrc.org.uk> To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: OPro file description Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I'm trying to retrieve some Ovation Pro files from a broken hard disk :-( and I was wondering if OPro has any end of file signature I can look for? I've checked out a few files and they all start with 'OvationPro' but it looks like every one ends differently. Any advice (apart from the obvious 'do a regular backup') would be greatly appreciated. I have tried to recover a file, but every time I try and load it OPro gives a type 5 error and dies! Thanks, Dave dave.brooks@mail.nrc.org.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jul 27 21:31:19 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA130816 for opro ; Thu, 27 Jul 100 21:31:17 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 964722078:20:05768:15; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 18:21:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2004875; 27 Jul 2000 18:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA20777 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 18:14:54 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA20571 for ; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 17:26:39 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13HrPb-0000Ji-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 17:25:35 +0000 Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 18:16:26 GMT Message-Id: <130802@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re:OPro file description X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I'm trying to retrieve some Ovation Pro files from a broken hard disk >:-( and I was wondering if OPro has any end of file signature I can look >for? I've checked out a few files and they all start with 'OvationPro' >but it looks like every one ends differently. There is an applet... the one which prints out a list of fonts used by a document, and it demonstrates the fundamental structure of OP docs - a header followed by a number of objects each object having a word telling you how long it is. I believe the word at offset 112 in the file tells you the size of all the objects together. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jul 28 21:08:44 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA130864 for opro ; Fri, 28 Jul 100 21:08:37 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 964809831:10:16706:18; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 18:43:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1016446; 28 Jul 2000 18:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA23743 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 18:35:14 +0100 Received: from mail3.svr.pol.co.uk (mail3.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.19]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA23740 for ; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 18:35:03 +0100 Received: from modem-103.maine.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.70.103] helo=jaycee) by mail3.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 13IExL-0007M6-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 19:33:59 +0100 Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 19:31:19 GMT From: John Charman To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: leader Message-ID: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.03) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Can anyone tell me why I cant get edit style-tabs-leader to retain a value. I have put in it .. but as soon as I accept it it seems to delete it as when I re-enter the edit it is no longer there and it doesn't appear as the leader when I apply the style. Does that make sense?? What I want to do is the following Daves Dodges .. .. .. .. .. .. .. 1 TIA JayCee -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jul 28 22:26:22 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA130875 for opro ; Fri, 28 Jul 100 22:26:21 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 964816869:20:17158:29; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 20:41:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2017124; 28 Jul 2000 20:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA24108 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 20:39:59 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA24105 for ; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 20:39:58 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13IGuD-000A5v-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 20:38:54 +0000 Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 21:33:48 GMT Message-Id: <130873@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: leader X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I have put in it .. but as soon as I accept it it seems to delete it as >when I re-enter the edit it is no longer there and it doesn't appear as the >leader when I apply the style. It seems to me that you have to have one or more tabs selected and then enter the leader string. I suspect that before the ability to set leader strings for individual tabs came in, you could just enter the leader on its own. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jul 29 13:16:47 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA130888 for opro ; Sat, 29 Jul 100 13:16:43 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 964857750:10:10678:15; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 08:02:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1125664; 29 Jul 2000 8:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA26068 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 07:59:42 +0100 Received: from bart.callnet0800.com (bart.callnet0800.com [212.67.128.108]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA26065 for ; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 07:59:40 +0100 Received: from smtp.4unet.co.uk [212.67.128.143] by bart.callnet0800.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.05) id AF17179000BE; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 09:00:23 +0100 Received: from 4unet.co.uk [212.67.151.142] by smtp.4unet.co.uk (SMTPD32-5.05) id AEA862701FE; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 08:58:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Barry E Allen To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 08:57:36 +0100 Subject: Effects in plain text files? Message-ID: <49e5990dbabarry@e-allen.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hi Folks, I wonder if the following is possible? I have a spreadsheet with the following columns. FIRST FORMAT Name Home Phone Work Phone Mobile Fax John 1234567 234567 987654 Jim 3456789 345678 0765656 Fred 5235253 0754534 912345 etc I want to import this info into Ovation Pro in the form SECOND FORMAT John 1234567 234567 This bit in Bold 987654 This bit underlined Jim 3456789 345678 This bit in Bold 0765656 This bit in Italic Fred 5235253 0754534 This bit in Italic 912345 This bit underlined etc ie Home Phone is plain, Work is bold, Mobile is italic and Fax is underlined. Where Bold indicates a Work no. Italic is a Mobile and Underlined is a fax. I've written a custom function in Pipedream to convert from the first format to the second format but without the effects (bold italic etc.) Can I add anything to the first format so that when it is imported into Ovation it will have the required effects? It is obviously easier to add extra bits while in the first format rather than the second. I have 200 names and going through each one adding bold, italic etc is a bit of a pain. -- TVM. Barry A. No.1. Be seeing you! Where is No.6? ..... Broughton Park F.C. (Rugby Union) http://www.broughton-park.co.uk E-mail b a r r y @ e - a l l e n . c o . u k -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jul 29 13:16:51 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA130889 for opro ; Sat, 29 Jul 100 13:16:48 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 964860959:20:14041:15; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 08:55:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2101769; 29 Jul 2000 8:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA26225 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 08:40:23 +0100 Received: from scrabble.freeuk.net (scrabble.freeuk.net [212.126.144.6]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA26222 for ; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 08:40:21 +0100 Received: from du-002-0141.freeuk.com ([212.126.156.141] helo=freeuk.net) by scrabble.freeuk.net with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1) id 13IS9N-0006NK-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 09:39:17 +0100 Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 09:38:37 +0100 From: Keith Wilson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: !Labels applet Message-ID: <4ecf9ce549.keith@freeuk.net> References: <49e5990dbabarry@e-allen.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <49e5990dbabarry@e-allen.co.uk> X-Organization: None User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I am perplexed re the !Label applet supplied with OvPro. I used it a couple of years ago and I have a printed sheet in front of me explaining how to create my own label templates. I did previously do this but I lost them all when I (temporarily) moved over to the Mac platform. The sheet states that there should be an additional menu option on the iconbar menu for OvPro to enable me to do this but that item is not there even though the applet is in place and enabled. I cannot think what I am doing wrong so would value assistance. From memory, the applet was superb! Many thanks for any assistance, Keith Wilson -- ___ ___ ___ ___ ___ ___ | _ \_ _/ __|/ __| / _ \/ __| | /| |\__ \ (__ | (_) \__ \ |_|_\___|___/\___| \___/|___/ A Micro$oft-free zone -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jul 29 15:21:32 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA130898 for opro ; Sat, 29 Jul 100 15:21:22 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 964877108:21:08512:15; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 13:25:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2108422; 29 Jul 2000 13:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA26861 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 13:22:26 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA26857 for ; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 13:22:24 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13IWYK-000DYD-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 13:21:20 +0000 Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 14:19:00 GMT Message-Id: <130896@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: !Labels applet X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >The sheet states that there should be an additional menu option on the >iconbar menu for OvPro to enable me to do this but that item is not >there even though the applet is in place and enabled. It should appear on the applets menu - from the main menu. Not the icon bar menu. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jul 29 15:21:40 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA130900 for opro ; Sat, 29 Jul 100 15:21:36 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 964877839:20:23134:15; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 13:37:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2022997; 29 Jul 2000 13:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA26858 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 13:22:24 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA26853 for ; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 13:22:22 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13IWYI-000DYD-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 13:21:18 +0000 Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 14:14:39 GMT Message-Id: <130894@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Effects in plain text files? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I've written a custom function in Pipedream to convert from the first >format to the second format but without the effects (bold italic etc.) >Can I add anything to the first format so that when it is imported into >Ovation it will have the required effects? What I'd do is output Impression DDF - this is just text, with stuff in brackets for effects. Like; {bold on}ddddddddd{bold} Depending on how you've set up the DDF loader, you may need to settype files as &707 to get them to load. DDF is quite nice for constructing such text. You could alternatively output OPro DDL, not a lot different. STORY={story "ccc" {bold 1} "ccccccccccccc" {bold} } David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jul 29 17:15:52 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA130904 for opro ; Sat, 29 Jul 100 17:15:47 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 964885903:10:06691:20; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 15:51:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1006577; 29 Jul 2000 15:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA27327 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 15:49:21 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA27324 for ; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 15:49:19 +0100 Received: from userax09.uk.uudial.com (62.188.138.254) [62.188.138.254] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13IYqU-0004Jj-00; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 16:48:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Roger Foden) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 16:34:30 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.24 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Re: leader Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 28 Jul 2000 (19:31:19), jaycee@jstp.freeserve.co.uk wrote: > Can anyone tell me why I cant get edit style-tabs-leader to retain a > value. > > I have put in it .. but as soon as I accept it it seems to > delete it as when I re-enter the edit it is no longer there and it > doesn't appear as the leader when I apply the style. > > Does that make sense?? > What I want to do is the following > > Daves Dodges .. .. .. .. .. .. .. 1 > With Opro (I'm using 2.58) you must also define the tab position at which you wish the tab leader to end, by clicking on the tab mark on the ruler to highlight it and to bring up its position in the tabs edit box. To expand on that; the leader can be different between the different tab positions on the page. eg. If you have tabs at 10mm, 30mm, 50mm, 70mm and 90mm, then making the leader <. > at 30mm and at 90mm will give, when tabbing across, the leader between 10mm and 30mm; and between 70mm and 90mm. You can also have a diffrent leader between 30mm and 50mm etc. It's very versatile, but a bit more fiddly! Regards Roger -- ___ n_ \ ) (^o\. /^\ Roger & Jacki Foden | | /_ / |___| http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/roger.foden/ / \/ \/ \_ _/ roger.foden@argonet.co.uk __\__\___|o_____//_______ Botanising in Greece? Marengo Publications sarpcsarpcsarpcsarpcsarpc Walking in Greece? Marengo Publications -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jul 31 23:11:38 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA130911 for opro ; Mon, 31 Jul 100 23:11:17 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 964949652:20:25142:17; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 09:34:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2103940; 30 Jul 2000 9:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA29527 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 08:37:57 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA29524 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 08:37:55 +0100 Received: from lowri.demon.co.uk ([194.222.175.160]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13IoaZ-0009n9-0U for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 09:36:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ian Lowry To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 09:37:34 +0100 Subject: Re: !Labels applet Message-ID: <49e6208cbcian@lowri.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <49e5ed6b19barry@e-allen.co.uk> References: <130896@pilling.demon.co.uk> <49e5ed6b19barry@e-allen.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Barry E Allen wrote: > In article , Keith Wilson > wrote: > > > The applet which allowed you to create new templates was written > > by David Breakwellbut was also named !Label but I can't remember > > where I got it or, if I have it, how I access it. > I have version 1.01. I'm sure that there is probably a later > version. > It *is* available from the icon bar menu. Up jumps a page with > myriad options for labels. > Can't remember where I got it from. It is not the sort of applet > you use every day 'cos once you've got your labels set up, one > tends to forget about it, although it certainly takes the ball ache > out of label production. > I could email it to you. I'm using v1.02 which is available from the OvPro website at http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk/ovationpro/applets/index.html Hope that helps, Ian -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jul 31 23:12:22 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA130913 for opro ; Mon, 31 Jul 100 23:12:07 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 964887783:10:11632:16; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 16:23:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1011596; 29 Jul 2000 16:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA27478 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 16:22:38 +0100 Received: from sop.force9.net (sop.plus.net.uk [195.166.128.229]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA27475 for ; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 16:22:36 +0100 Received: (qmail 10186 invoked from network); 29 Jul 2000 16:20:44 -0000 Received: from ruin.servers.plus.net.uk (212.159.2.66) by sop.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 29 Jul 2000 16:20:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 9633 invoked from network); 29 Jul 2000 16:17:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (212.159.23.96) by ruin.servers.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 29 Jul 2000 16:17:33 -0000 Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 22:12:04 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: leader To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Fri 28 Jul, John Charman wrote: > Can anyone tell me why I cant get edit style-tabs-leader to retain a value. > > I have put in it .. but as soon as I accept it it seems to delete it as > when I re-enter the edit it is no longer there and it doesn't appear as the > leader when I apply the style. > > Does that make sense?? > What I want to do is the following > > Daves Dodges .. .. .. .. .. .. .. 1 > > TIA > > JayCee > A quick test shows that dot space dot or dot dot space are applied and held. I assume the leading space is replaced with nothing because you wouldn't use spaces (alone) as a leader. Any option which uses more than one character seems to start further away from the word than a single dot as leader. To follow your example: Ant's Artifices.............. 1 (single dot) Ant's Artifices ............. 1 (double dot) Ant's Artifices .. .. .. .. . 1 (dot dot space) Ant's Artifices . .. .. .. .. 1 (dot space dot) Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jul 31 23:13:02 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA130916 for opro ; Mon, 31 Jul 100 23:12:48 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 964985926:20:02274:15; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 19:38:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2106911; 30 Jul 2000 19:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA30891 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 19:31:59 +0100 Received: from scrabble.freeuk.net (scrabble.freeuk.net [212.126.144.6]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA30888 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 19:31:57 +0100 Received: from du-002-0151.freeuk.com ([212.126.156.151] helo=freeuk.net) by scrabble.freeuk.net with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1) id 13IynV-0003Yy-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 20:30:53 +0100 Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 20:30:26 +0100 From: Keith Wilson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: !Labels applet Message-ID: <5a525ce649.keith@freeuk.net> References: <130896@pilling.demon.co.uk> <49e5ed6b19barry@e-allen.co.uk> <49e6568c4bpnyoung@argon In-Reply-To: <49e6568c4bpnyoung@argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: None User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > > > The applet which allowed you to create new templates was written by > > > David Breakwellbut was also named !Label but I can't remember where I > > > got it or, if I have it, how I access it. > > > I have version 1.01. I'm sure that there is probably a later version. > > > It *is* available from the icon bar menu. Up jumps a page with myriad > > options for labels. > > > Can't remember where I got it from. It is not the sort of applet you > > use every day 'cos once you've got your labels set up, one tends to > > forget about it, although it certainly takes the ball ache out of label > > production. > > > I could email it to you. > > Isn't there a confusion here between two different applets? (Private > e-mail has gone to Barry on this subject). There is indeed. barry sent me an archived copy of !Labeller which is the applet I was looking for. The applet on the Ovation Pro applets page is !Label which is not the same thing. I couldn't remember the name of the one I had previously used to create new templates and assumed (wrongly, it transpires) that it was !Label that I had used. !Labeller seems to be more elusive and I couldn't trace it. Keith Wilso -- ___ ___ ___ ___ ___ ___ | _ \_ _/ __|/ __| / _ \/ __| | /| |\__ \ (__ | (_) \__ \ |_|_\___|___/\___| \___/|___/ A Micro$oft-free zone -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jul 31 23:13:10 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA130918 for opro ; Mon, 31 Jul 100 23:13:09 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 964998354:20:05573:21; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 23:05:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2005513; 30 Jul 2000 23:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA31241 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 22:02:24 +0100 Received: from kx1-gui.server.which.net (kx1-gui.server.which.net [194.168.97.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA31238 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 22:02:23 +0100 Received: from waddell.which.net ([194.168.100.200]) by kx1-gui.server.which.net (InterMail vK.4.02.00.10 201-232-116-110 license e70b2acfbd69d84cc925654164bd8fad) with SMTP id <20000730220118.ZBZD4725.kx1-gui@waddell.which.net> for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 23:01:18 +0100 Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 18:04:21 +0100 (BST) From: John Waddell Subject: Large Images To: Ovation mail list Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Finding that I was beginning to run low on space on a Syquest removable hard drive, I decided to have a look at the referencing of large pictures. I ran through my Documents Directories and was able to save just over 27 Megabytes of space! Worthwhile investment in the short time it took to do it! -- John Waddell, Langbank, Renfrewshire -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jul 31 23:13:14 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA130920 for opro ; Mon, 31 Jul 100 23:13:13 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 965038212:20:04126:32; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 10:10:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2128449; 31 Jul 2000 10:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA32671 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 10:00:30 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA32668 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 10:00:26 +0100 Received: from mcfamily.demon.co.uk ([194.222.77.216]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13JCLv-000JcF-0Y for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 10:59:20 +0100 Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 10:43:01 +0100 From: Andy McMullon To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: !Labels applet Message-ID: <7d60aae649.andy@andymcmullon.redhotant.com> References: <130896@pilling.demon.co.uk> <49e5ed6b19barry@e-allen.co.uk> <49e6568c4bpnyoung@argon <5a525ce649.keith@freeuk.net> In-Reply-To: <5a525ce649.keith@freeuk.net> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In missive <5a525ce649.keith@freeuk.net> Keith Wilson expounded: > There is indeed. barry sent me an archived copy of !Labeller which is > the applet I was looking for. The applet on the Ovation Pro applets page > is !Label which is not the same thing. I couldn't remember the name of > the one I had previously used to create new templates and assumed > (wrongly, it transpires) that it was !Label that I had used. !Labeller > seems to be more elusive and I couldn't trace it. Get !Labeller onto the Applets page so we can all have a play..... -- skypilot@bigfoot.com / andy@mcfamily.demon.co.uk Bader Bike Challange Jordan 2000 - Email me for details! Sponsors needed - Charity for the Disabled - Win a bike for a quid! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jul 31 23:14:12 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA130925 for opro ; Mon, 31 Jul 100 23:13:52 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 964906160:10:26454:18; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 21:29:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1026414; 29 Jul 2000 21:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA28135 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 21:08:03 +0100 Received: from scrabble.freeuk.net (scrabble.freeuk.net [212.126.144.6]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA28132 for ; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 21:08:01 +0100 Received: from du-012-0228.freeuk.com ([212.126.155.228] helo=freeuk.net) by scrabble.freeuk.net with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1) id 13Idou-0006lg-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 22:06:57 +0100 Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 22:03:10 +0100 From: Keith Wilson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: !Labels applet Message-ID: References: <130896@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <130896@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: None User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <130896@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > >The sheet states that there should be an additional menu option on the > >iconbar menu for OvPro to enable me to do this but that item is not > >there even though the applet is in place and enabled. > > It should appear on the applets menu - from the main menu. Not the icon bar menu. Thanks David; it is there but this is not the means to produce a new label template which I previously used - this only allows those which are already created to be used. The applet which allowed you to create new templates was written by David Breakwellbut was also named !Label but I can't remember where I got it or, if I have it, how I access it. -- ___ ___ ___ ___ ___ ___ | _ \_ _/ __|/ __| / _ \/ __| | /| |\__ \ (__ | (_) \__ \ |_|_\___|___/\___| \___/|___/ A Micro$oft-free zone -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jul 31 23:14:22 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA130926 for opro ; Mon, 31 Jul 100 23:14:16 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 964913381:10:10295:16; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 23:29:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1010270; 29 Jul 2000 23:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA28477 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 23:20:58 +0100 Received: from cmailg5.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg5.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.175]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA28474 for ; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 23:20:56 +0100 Received: from modem-59.coumadin.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.86.187] helo=evanallen.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailg5.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 13IftY-0003tq-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 00:19:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Barry E Allen To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 00:19:05 +0100 Subject: Re: !Labels applet Message-ID: <49e5ed6b19barry@e-allen.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <130896@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Keith Wilson wrote: > The applet which allowed you to create new templates was written by > David Breakwellbut was also named !Label but I can't remember where I > got it or, if I have it, how I access it. I have version 1.01. I'm sure that there is probably a later version. It *is* available from the icon bar menu. Up jumps a page with myriad options for labels. Can't remember where I got it from. It is not the sort of applet you use every day 'cos once you've got your labels set up, one tends to forget about it, although it certainly takes the ball ache out of label production. I could email it to you. -- TVM. Barry A. No.1. Be seeing you! Where is No.6? ..... Broughton Park F.C. (Rugby Union) http://www.broughton-park.co.uk E-mail b a r r y @ e - a l l e n . c o . u k -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jul 31 23:15:17 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA130932 for opro ; Mon, 31 Jul 100 23:14:55 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 965056736:20:23823:39; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 15:18:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2120413; 31 Jul 2000 15:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA00841 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 15:00:54 +0100 Received: from mail1.svr.pol.co.uk (mail1.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.18]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA00838 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 15:00:52 +0100 Received: from modem-36.carafate.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.84.36] helo=evanallen.freeserve.co.uk) by mail1.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 13JH2h-00025U-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 15:59:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Barry E Allen To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 15:44:03 +0100 Subject: Re: !Labels applet Message-ID: <49e6c5f008barry@e-allen.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <7d60aae649.andy@andymcmullon.redhotant.com> References: <130896@pilling.demon.co.uk> <49e5ed6b19barry@e-allen.co.uk> <49e6568c4bpnyoung@argon User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <7d60aae649.andy@andymcmullon.redhotant.com>, Andy McMullon wrote: > In missive <5a525ce649.keith@freeuk.net> Keith Wilson > expounded: > > There is indeed. barry sent me an archived copy of !Labeller which > > is the applet I was looking for. The applet on the Ovation Pro > > applets page is !Label which is not the same thing. I couldn't > > remember the name of the one I had previously used to create new > > templates and assumed (wrongly, it transpires) that it was !Label > > that I had used. !Labeller seems to be more elusive and I couldn't > > trace it. > Get !Labeller onto the Applets page so we can all have a play..... It is by David Breakwell. Perhaps he should be the one to say where it can be obtained from? As a stop gap it can be obtained from:- http://www.broughton-park.co.uk/label.zip -- TVM. Barry A. No.1. Be seeing you! Where is No.6? ..... Broughton Park F.C. (Rugby Union) http://www.broughton-park.co.uk E-mail b a r r y @ e - a l l e n . c o . u k -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jul 31 23:15:38 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA130940 for opro ; Mon, 31 Jul 100 23:15:35 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 964981920:10:04573:19; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 18:32:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1126241; 30 Jul 2000 18:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA30679 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 18:29:47 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA30676 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 18:29:45 +0100 Received: from userey97.uk.uudial.com (62.188.19.69) [62.188.19.69] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13IxpI-00058I-00; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 19:28:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Dr P.N.Young" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 19:27:23 +0100 Subject: Re: !Labels applet Message-ID: <49e6568c4bpnyoung@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <49e5ed6b19barry@e-allen.co.uk> References: <130896@pilling.demon.co.uk> <49e5ed6b19barry@e-allen.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <49e5ed6b19barry@e-allen.co.uk>, Barry E Allen wrote: > In article , Keith Wilson > wrote: > > > The applet which allowed you to create new templates was written by > > David Breakwellbut was also named !Label but I can't remember where I > > got it or, if I have it, how I access it. > I have version 1.01. I'm sure that there is probably a later version. > It *is* available from the icon bar menu. Up jumps a page with myriad > options for labels. > Can't remember where I got it from. It is not the sort of applet you > use every day 'cos once you've got your labels set up, one tends to > forget about it, although it certainly takes the ball ache out of label > production. > I could email it to you. Isn't there a confusion here between two different applets? (Private e-mail has gone to Barry on this subject). Best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. Anne \ / __ __ \ England. Cecilia / / \ | | |\ | / _ \http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/pnyoung James / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \_____________ pnyoung@argonet.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jul 31 23:15:43 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA130942 for opro ; Mon, 31 Jul 100 23:15:39 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 965070788:20:13293:16; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 19:13:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2100086; 31 Jul 2000 19:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA01457 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 19:10:58 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA01454 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 19:10:56 +0100 Received: from mcfamily.demon.co.uk ([194.222.77.216]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13JKwi-000B29-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 19:09:52 +0000 Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 20:09:54 +0100 From: Andy McMullon To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: !Labels applet Message-ID: References: <130896@pilling.demon.co.uk> <49e5ed6b19barry@e-allen.co.uk> <49e6568c4bpnyoung@argon <5a525ce649.keith@freeuk.net> <7d60aae649.andy@andymcmullon.redhotant.com> <49e6c5f008barry@e-allen.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <49e6c5f008barry@e-allen.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In missive <49e6c5f008barry@e-allen.co.uk> Barry E Allen expounded: > In article <7d60aae649.andy@andymcmullon.redhotant.com>, Andy McMullon > wrote: > > In missive <5a525ce649.keith@freeuk.net> Keith Wilson > > expounded: > > > > There is indeed. barry sent me an archived copy of !Labeller which > > > is the applet I was looking for. The applet on the Ovation Pro > > > applets page is !Label which is not the same thing. I couldn't > > > remember the name of the one I had previously used to create new > > > templates and assumed (wrongly, it transpires) that it was !Label > > > that I had used. !Labeller seems to be more elusive and I couldn't > > > trace it. > > > Get !Labeller onto the Applets page so we can all have a play..... > > It is by David Breakwell. Perhaps he should be the one to say where it > can be obtained from? > > As a stop gap it can be obtained from:- > http://www.broughton-park.co.uk/label.zip Not just now...... -- skypilot@bigfoot.com / andy@mcfamily.demon.co.uk Bader Bike Challange Jordan 2000 - Email me for details! Sponsors needed - Charity for the Disabled - Win a bike for a quid! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jul 31 23:16:14 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA130946 for opro ; Mon, 31 Jul 100 23:16:09 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 965076176:20:24206:40; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 20:42:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2100910; 31 Jul 2000 20:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA01841 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 20:40:20 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA01838 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 20:40:18 +0100 Received: from userbz49.uk.uudial.com (62.188.150.18) [62.188.150.18] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13JMLB-0005Ix-00; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 21:39:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Roger Foden) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 20:30:29 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.24 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Re: !Labels applet Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sun 30 Jul 2000 (20:30:26 +0100), keithwilson@freeuk.com wrote: > > > > The applet which allowed you to create new templates was written > by > > > > David Breakwellbut was also named !Label [snip] > > > > Isn't there a confusion here between two different applets? (Private > > e-mail has gone to Barry on this subject). > > There is indeed. barry sent me an archived copy of !Labeller which is > the applet I was looking for. The applet on the Ovation Pro applets > page > is !Label which is not the same thing. I'm confused too! I have the !Labeller applet from David Breakwell which calls itself !Label within the applets directory. The original !Label applet by Beebug cannot, of course co-exist with !Label(ler). Trying to rename either of these two so they may co-exist results in the re-named applet not working. However !Labeller does seem to be the useful one. Roger -- ___ n_ \ ) (^o\. /^\ Roger & Jacki Foden | | /_ / |___| http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/roger.foden/ / \/ \/ \_ _/ roger.foden@argonet.co.uk __\__\___|o_____//_______ Botanising in Greece? Marengo Publications sarpcsarpcsarpcsarpcsarpc Walking in Greece? Marengo Publications -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jul 31 23:16:31 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA130950 for opro ; Mon, 31 Jul 100 23:16:23 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 965080515:20:07683:18; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 21:55:15 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2109602; 31 Jul 2000 21:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA02073 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 21:54:04 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA02070 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 21:54:03 +0100 Received: from usereb53.uk.uudial.com (62.188.10.34) [62.188.10.34] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13JNUX-00001N-00; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 22:52:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: David Breakwell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 21:43:12 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: !Labels applet Message-ID: <49e6ec4fdedavidb@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Roger Foden wrote: > I'm confused too! I have the !Labeller applet from David Breakwell which > calls itself !Label within the applets directory. The original !Label > applet by Beebug cannot, of course co-exist with !Label(ler). > Trying to rename either of these two so they may co-exist results in the > re-named applet not working. > However !Labeller does seem to be the useful one. > Roger I haven't read my mail for a little while and a little storm seems to have brewed... I renamed !Label after the 1.00 release to become !Labeller so that the two can co-exist. It is available (like all my applets) from the OP Resources site http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro. I believe the current release is 1.01 :-). Anybody got any ideas for enhancements. David Author of !NewFrame !Labeller and !IdxPro -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | davidb@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jul 31 23:19:03 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA130962 for opro ; Mon, 31 Jul 100 23:18:28 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 965081051:10:05989:15; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 22:04:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1105656; 31 Jul 2000 22:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA02123 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 22:00:04 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA02120 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 22:00:02 +0100 From: Received: from useraf47.uk.uudial.com (localhost) [62.188.132.34] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 13JNaM-0000CX-00; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 22:58:58 +0100 Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 22:59:12 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: !Labels applet Message-ID: <0ac7ede649.colin@cstage.argonet.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Centre Stage User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10 (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message roger.foden@argonet.co.uk (Roger Foden) wrote: [snip] > I'm confused too! > I have the !Labeller applet from David Breakwell which calls itself !Label > within the applets directory. > The original !Label applet by Beebug cannot, of course co-exist with > !Label(ler). > > Trying to rename either of these two so they may co-exist results in the > re-named applet not working. I've the two applets succesfully working side by side just by renaming the applet _that does whole sheets of labels_ (from eg a CSV file) to !Labeller and leaving the one that prints one label to the next vacant label as !Label If David Breakwell would think about adding starting from a numbered label position (for part used sheets) to the !Labeller applet my cup would truly runneth over :-) > However !Labeller does seem to be the useful one. > > Roger Both brilliant in different contexts - I use !Label with a suitable page definition in !Printers to address individual envelopes and have just found out how to do the same with a stack of envelopes using !Labeller (Another need David B - non-standard paper sizes eg DL 110mm x 220m (which I have, with just one label per page at an appropriate offset for an envelope address)- aren't preserved when you revive a given label in !Labeller. You have to select that label, recreate just the paper size, and then click create page but *not* create label) -- Colin Carnegie colinc@argonet.co.uk www.argonet.co.uk/users/cstage -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 1 02:16:12 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA130979 for opro ; Tue, 01 Aug 100 02:16:10 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 965085605:20:02782:17; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 23:20:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2002709; 31 Jul 2000 23:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA02429 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 23:16:09 +0100 Received: from cmailg5.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg5.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.175]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA02426 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 23:16:07 +0100 Received: from modem-6.fluvoxamine.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.207.6] helo=evanallen.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailg5.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 13JOlv-0002Bg-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 01 Aug 2000 00:15:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Barry E Allen To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 23:53:13 +0100 Subject: Re: !Labels applet Message-ID: <49e6f2b8debarry@e-allen.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <130896@pilling.demon.co.uk> <49e5ed6b19barry@e-allen.co.uk> <49e6568c4bpnyoung@argon User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Andy McMullon wrote: > In missive <49e6c5f008barry@e-allen.co.uk> Barry E Allen > expounded: > > As a stop gap it can be obtained from:- > > http://www.broughton-park.co.uk/label.zip > Not just now...... Having just seen David's message that it can be obtained from:- http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro I shall remove mine forthwith. -- TVM. Barry A. No.1. Be seeing you! Where is No.6? ..... Broughton Park F.C. (Rugby Union) http://www.broughton-park.co.uk E-mail b a r r y @ e - a l l e n . c o . u k -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message