From ijm@clear.net.nz Tue May 2 22:01:27 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA125662 for opro ; Tue, 02 May 100 22:01:24 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 957048071:20:10615:5; Sat, 29 Apr 2000 22:41:11 GMT Received: from fep3-orange.clear.net.nz ([203.97.32.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2010083; 29 Apr 2000 22:41 GMT Received: from ijm.clear.net.nz (b002-m012-p060.acld.clear.net.nz [203.167.200.252]) by fep3-orange.clear.net.nz (1.5/1.6) with Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 10:39:33 +1200 (GMT) From: Ian J Melville Subject: Corrupted Installation Disk To: opro@pilling.demon.co.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Hi David I have corrupted my Ovation Pro Installation disk trying to re install to a new hard drive and under RISC OS 4.2. My serial number is 03201 and the disk is version 2.46. I have been running the latest version. What I did was just plain stupid! How do I get myself out of this mess, please? Thank you -- Ian J. Melville RD 1 Ph/Fax +64-0-9-433-2225 Tangiteroria 0351 Cell +64-0-25-818-513 Aotearoa/New Zealand email ijm@clear.net.nz Webpage http://Ian_J_Melville.tripod.com _____________________________________________________________________________ 101 uses for a Bill Gates: 1: A book end From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue May 2 22:02:20 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA125678 for opro ; Tue, 02 May 100 22:02:17 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 957125311:10:04473:18; Sun, 30 Apr 2000 20:08:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1108457; 30 Apr 2000 20:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA27488 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 30 Apr 2000 20:49:39 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA27483 for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2000 20:49:37 +0100 Received: from userah04.uk.uudial.com (62.188.132.189) [62.188.132.189] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12lzih-0004Ek-00; Sun, 30 Apr 2000 20:49:36 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mr T J Chubb To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 20:47:47 +0100 Subject: Re: Creating a PDF file from OPro Message-ID: <49b780d6f2tomc@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <49b581d414tim@de-sig.co.nz> References: <49b574c714tomc@argonet.co.uk> <49b581d414tim@de-sig.co.nz> User-Agent: Pluto/1.14i (RISC-OS/3.50) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 25 Apr, Tim King wrote: > In article <49b574c714tomc@argonet.co.uk>, > Mr T J Chubb wrote: > > would also like to send it as a PDF file. I have had a go at doing a > > ps2pdf using GhostScript, but couldn't seem to get anywhere. > ? In a task window - ps2pdf; space; shift drag the ps file; space; > type in the full address (and name) of what will be the pdf; return. > Or more simply download the frontend - !ps2pdf - from...? and drag the > postscript file onto it. Nothing could be easier. Thanks Tim. I tried it as you describe and it worked. Well, after a fashion. The PDF file, when viewed, had a number of problems. These included letters missing, very thick lines instead of the thin originals and the logo (a simple light grey figure) was unrecognisable. Do you know if this is a problem with !PDF or is it more likely to be a problem with the conversion process? Thanks again. Tom C -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | tomc@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue May 2 22:02:23 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA125677 for opro ; Tue, 02 May 100 22:02:14 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 957134395:20:03419:24; Sun, 30 Apr 2000 22:39:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2104629; 30 Apr 2000 22:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA28417 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 30 Apr 2000 23:23:25 +0100 Received: from brainy.kiwilink.co.nz (brainy.kiwilink.co.nz [203.98.52.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA28412 for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2000 23:23:21 +0100 Received: from timk.kiwilink.co.nz (as5200-38.kiwilink.co.nz [203.98.52.104]) by brainy.kiwilink.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA06848 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 10:20:42 +1200 (NZST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tim King To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 09:57:01 +1200 Subject: Re: Creating a PDF file from OPro Message-ID: <49b78cabaftim@de-sig.co.nz> In-Reply-To: <49b780d6f2tomc@argonet.co.uk> References: <49b574c714tomc@argonet.co.uk> <49b581d414tim@de-sig.co.nz> <49b780d6f2tomc@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <49b780d6f2tomc@argonet.co.uk>, Mr T J Chubb wrote: > Thanks Tim. I tried it as you describe and it worked. Well, after a > fashion. The PDF file, when viewed, had a number of problems. These > included letters missing, very thick lines instead of the thin > originals and the logo (a simple light grey figure) was > unrecognisable. Do you know if this is a problem with !PDF or is it > more likely to be a problem with the conversion process? Um, I'll guess !pdf? There are a couple of display options off the icon bar menu - 'accurate' sounds relevent ;-) I always check the file in Acrobat. It does a better job, and anyway, it's what your recipient is probably going to look at it in. BTW, when Taborca 1st appeared, I did a few comparison files against GS and found there were a couple of cases where GS did a much better job. Can't remember what they were though. Since GS is so easy I never bothered with Taborca again. Tim -- Tim King... de-Sig. +64 9 478.3114 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue May 2 22:02:49 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA125686 for opro ; Tue, 02 May 100 22:02:34 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 957137119:10:24324:16; Sun, 30 Apr 2000 23:25:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1106594; 30 Apr 2000 23:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA28705 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 1 May 2000 00:06:00 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA28700 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 00:05:58 +0100 Received: from krowdrah.demon.co.uk ([158.152.151.91]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 12m2mj-000FCw-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 30 Apr 2000 23:05:58 +0000 Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 00:01:43 +0100 (BST) From: P Hutton Subject: Just checking my wishlist To: Paul Hutton Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Sorry to hang out dirty laundry in public; I was going to email David privately, but then thought "Maybe someone else is wondering about this too..." Like everyone else, I am really excited about the forthcoming version of OPro. I have been looking down my wishlist of functions, which will probably seem trivial compared with the high powered expectations of others in this group, but what the hey... I know some of these have been discussed in the past too: 1. Option on printing "Current Page only". I KNOW we have have range, and it is very nice, but sometimes it would be perfect to have the option to print the currently active page (ie where the cursor is.) 2. I remember the original Opro Promo flier... how much closer to the top of the list is widow/orphan control? On the rare occasions when I have to resort to doing lengthier work in Word/Publisher, it is a nice touch. 3. Button bar- as you know (me of the fill button request) I have everything up in the button bar, and have organised the bar so that there are 2 whole rows of icons, and 2 rows with only one icon in each; this way I can have the info palette kept up there too, in the grey environment, without it masking my work. Is there any way of completely integrating the info palette into the button bar, so that it does not sometimes get detached (sloppy mouse clicking is a major culprit!)? 4. A would-be-nice-but-not-really-true-dtp-stuff I use Fontasy and TypeStudio for text moulding and effects; any chance if building something like this into OP? 5. Fonts and user defined colour/orientation shadows? This aside, as always David, thank you for the unerring support and dedication we have all seen from you. Long may it continue. -- Paul Hutton A conclusion is the place where you got tired of thinking. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue May 2 22:03:00 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA125689 for opro ; Tue, 02 May 100 22:02:58 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 957168772:20:01837:47; Mon, 01 May 2000 08:12:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2110911; 1 May 2000 8:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA29808 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 1 May 2000 08:57:54 +0100 Received: from mserv1b.u-net.net (mserv1b.u-net.net [195.102.240.137]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA29803 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 08:57:52 +0100 Received: from [195.102.204.117] (helo=Caslon.english.co.uk) by mserv1b.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #63) id 12mB5S-0003fA-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 1 May 2000 08:57:50 +0100 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Mon, 01 May 2000 08:48:56 +0100 Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 08:50:02 +0100 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Images, postscript & PDF Message-ID: <96f6c2b749%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I think I've mentioned before that I sometimes have problems with images in documents which I then PDF. The image (e.g. a photo) is rendered extremely slowly in the PDF (i.e. a minute or two rather than instant, painfully drawing many tiny strips) and looks dreadful when its finished. I've now tracked down a workaround and perhaps someone can explain what is going on. If the postscript output is set to monochrome, or if I am printing separations, then there is no problem. If I convert the image to a jpeg, 24 bit colour RGB then it also works fine. But the 24 bits are important (16 bit doesn't work). It may be that what is happening is a nasty interaction with distiller, perhaps I've even got some of the morr arcane job options incorrectly set, but I wondered whether there is any difference in the way these images are rendered on the RISCOS side which might explain what is happening? While I'm here on the subject of images, a wishlist item: I often have to include small photos (mug shots) into documents and one of the painful parts is cropping, sizing and ensuring that the result is either around 300 dpi or 90 dpi (depending on whether the document is destined for print or screen display). In fact, I often have to convert a doucment from one dpi to the other. It would be really fantastic if one of the picture>process options was a 'downsample to x dpi) so this could be done in place at the point that the application 'knows' the effective current dpi. If I have a large photo which requires careful rendition then I would do the necessary sizing/processing before importing to OvPro, but I tend to use the scale/positioning/process facilities within OvPro to expedite document creation for these small pics. If I could downsample in-place it would save hours of time, calculation and trial and error work. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue May 2 22:03:10 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA125692 for opro ; Tue, 02 May 100 22:03:06 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 957173204:20:03308:26; Mon, 01 May 2000 09:26:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2121809; 1 May 2000 9:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA30036 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 1 May 2000 10:08:42 +0100 Received: from holyrood.ed.ac.uk (holyrood.ed.ac.uk [129.215.16.14]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA30031 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 10:08:40 +0100 Received: from alfred.ed.ac.uk (dialup-98.publab.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.98]) by holyrood.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA16551 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 10:08:39 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 10:09:57 +0100 (BST) From: Alf Chamings Subject: Re: Creating a PDF file from OPro To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <49b78cabaftim@de-sig.co.nz> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sun 30 Apr, Tim King wrote: > In article <49b780d6f2tomc@argonet.co.uk>, > Mr T J Chubb wrote: > > Thanks Tim. I tried it as you describe and it worked. Well, after a > > fashion. The PDF file, when viewed, had a number of problems. These > > included letters missing, very thick lines instead of the thin > > originals and the logo (a simple light grey figure) was > > unrecognisable. Do you know if this is a problem with !PDF or is it > > more likely to be a problem with the conversion process? > > Um, I'll guess !pdf? There are a couple of display options off the > icon bar menu - 'accurate' sounds relevent I found the same thing. The pc it tried the pdf file on didn't have the same 'errors' so I concluded the problem was with !pdf too. Regards Alf Chamings -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue May 2 22:03:11 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA125693 for opro ; Tue, 02 May 100 22:03:09 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 957183010:10:25261:17; Mon, 01 May 2000 12:10:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1104265; 1 May 2000 12:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA30494 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 1 May 2000 13:08:42 +0100 Received: from apollo.le.ac.uk (apollo.le.ac.uk [143.210.16.125]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA30488 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 13:08:40 +0100 Received: from happy.star.le.ac.uk ([143.210.36.58]) by apollo.le.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #2) id 12mF0C-0000wG-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 01 May 2000 13:08:40 +0100 Received: (qmail 25451 invoked from network); 1 May 2000 12:09:01 -0000 Received: from ltsun0.star.le.ac.uk (HELO ltsun0) (ljg@143.210.36.50) by happy.star.le.ac.uk with SMTP; 1 May 2000 12:09:01 -0000 Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 13:09:01 +0100 (BST) From: Liam Gretton X-Sender: ljg@ltsun0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Creating a PDF file from OPro In-Reply-To: <49b780d6f2tomc@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sun, 30 Apr 2000, Mr T J Chubb wrote: > The PDF file, when viewed, had a number of problems. These included > letters missing, very thick lines instead of the thin originals The thick lines problem is, I believe, a fault of GS 5. If you can track down an earlier version, use that. Otherwise, don't use thin lines in your document - give them a 0.25opt thickness or something similarly thin. -- Liam Gretton ljg@star.le.ac.uk Space Research Centre, http://www.src.le.ac.uk/ Physics and Astronomy Dept, phone +44 (0) 116 223 1039 University of Leicester, fax +44 (0) 116 252 2464 Leicester LE1 7RH, UK http://xmm4.xra.le.ac.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue May 2 22:03:35 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA125696 for opro ; Tue, 02 May 100 22:03:32 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 957182934:20:15250:34; Mon, 01 May 2000 12:08:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2111075; 1 May 2000 12:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA30442 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 1 May 2000 13:05:58 +0100 Received: from mail6.svr.pol.co.uk (mail6.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.212]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA30437 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 13:05:56 +0100 Received: from modem-116.pennsylvania.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.89.116] helo=jaycee) by mail6.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 12mExX-0008ED-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 01 May 2000 13:05:55 +0100 Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 12:30:07 GMT From: John Charman To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Deleting pages Message-ID: <0e9bdcb749.jaycee@jstp.freeserve.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Having created a three page document which has text flowing over all three pages in linked frames - not the master frames - I find that when I delete sufficient text so that only two pages are required OPro will not allow me to delete page 3 because it says it contains linked frames. How can I unlink the frames so that I can delete them and the page?? JayCee -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue May 2 22:03:39 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA125699 for opro ; Tue, 02 May 100 22:03:38 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 957195005:10:16600:16; Mon, 01 May 2000 15:30:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1107966; 1 May 2000 15:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA31060 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 1 May 2000 16:22:58 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA31055 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 16:22:57 +0100 Received: from useri503.uk.uudial.com (useri503) [194.69.106.113] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12mI2B-0001qW-00; Mon, 1 May 2000 16:22:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 16:09:43 +0100 Subject: Re: Deleting pages Message-ID: <49b7eb3785rayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <0e9bdcb749.jaycee@jstp.freeserve.co.uk> References: <0e9bdcb749.jaycee@jstp.freeserve.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <0e9bdcb749.jaycee@jstp.freeserve.co.uk>, John Charman wrote: > Having created a three page document which has text flowing over all > three pages in linked frames - not the master frames - I find that when > I delete sufficient text so that only two pages are required OPro will > not allow me to delete page 3 because it says it contains linked frames. > How can I unlink the frames so that I can delete them and the page?? Click on the Link icon. Click on the link to the last page. Press Delete and the link will disappear. You can now delete the page. I have noticed that the 'Insert page' function doesn't quite work. If I want to add three extra pages and put 3 in the no of pages box, I only ever get one extra page added. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 020 8864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue May 2 22:03:49 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA125703 for opro ; Tue, 02 May 100 22:03:48 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 957197075:20:02677:314; Mon, 01 May 2000 16:04:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2012995; 1 May 2000 15:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA31213 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 1 May 2000 16:49:54 +0100 Received: from mail4.svr.pol.co.uk (mail4.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.211]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA31208 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 16:49:52 +0100 Received: from modem-61.texas.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.94.61] helo=jaycee) by mail4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 12mISE-0006LV-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 01 May 2000 16:49:51 +0100 Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 16:51:36 GMT From: John Charman To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Spellchecking Message-ID: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Sorry to ask yet another question but I have only recently started in earnest to use OPro including transferring Impresson files (lots of them)..... When using the spelling checker it seems that you can only either add or ignore a word that the checker throws up - this would seem to be OK except that I do not want an ignore dictionary (perverse aren't I?); with Impression you could just go on to the next word but unless I am missing something obvious you can't do that with OPro - or can you? JayCee -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue May 2 22:03:52 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA125705 for opro ; Tue, 02 May 100 22:03:51 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 957197107:20:03520:171; Mon, 01 May 2000 16:05:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2103650; 1 May 2000 15:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA30963 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 1 May 2000 16:04:49 +0100 Received: from mail1-gui.server.which.net (mail1-gui.server.which.net [194.168.97.3]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA30958 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 16:04:48 +0100 Received: from waddell.which.net ([194.168.99.11]) by mail1-gui.server.which.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO203-101c) ID# 0-33929U70000L2S50) with SMTP id AAI28799 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 16:09:43 +0100 Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 14:54:47 +0100 (BST) From: John Waddell Subject: Re: Just checking my wishlist To: Paul Hutton In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Mon 01 May, P Hutton wrote: > Like everyone else, I am really excited about the forthcoming version of > OPro. Can I seek some reassurance about continuing to upgrade OvPro? I have remained, so far, at v.2.55 because I recall reading somewhere that there was incompatability, if one upgraded further, with documents created with earlier viersions? How true is this? Are there work arounds? I still have Ovation on the icon bar because I have a small number of complex forms in Ovation files. Is the 'unease' I feel about resaving complex 'Ovation' forms as OvPro files foolish? (I could keep Ovation backups of such conversions but why waste space!) > This aside, as always David, thank you for the unerring support and > dedication we have all seen from you. Long may it continue. Hear, hear. -- John Waddell, Langbank, Renfrewshire -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue May 2 22:04:00 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA125707 for opro ; Tue, 02 May 100 22:03:56 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 957201309:20:02683:1405; Mon, 01 May 2000 17:15:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2126185; 1 May 2000 17:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA31545 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 1 May 2000 18:03:42 +0100 Received: from merlins.force9.net (merlins.plus.net.uk [195.166.128.23]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA31540 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 18:03:40 +0100 Received: (qmail 1701 invoked from network); 1 May 2000 17:07:20 -0000 Received: from ruin.servers.plus.net.uk (212.159.2.66) by merlins.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 1 May 2000 17:07:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 7287 invoked from network); 1 May 2000 17:02:54 -0000 Received: from 145.04-02.quay.dial.plus.net.uk (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (212.159.71.145) by ruin.servers.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 1 May 2000 17:02:54 -0000 Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 17:23:34 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: Deleting pages To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <0e9bdcb749.jaycee@jstp.freeserve.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Mon 01 May, John Charman wrote: > Having created a three page document which has text flowing over all three > pages in linked frames - not the master frames - I find that when I delete > sufficient text so that only two pages are required OPro will not allow me to > delete page 3 because it says it contains linked frames. > > How can I unlink the frames so that I can delete them and the page?? > > JayCee > This may not be your only, or even first, answer - but just in case everyone thinks that ... Make sure you are viewing the page boundary between pages 2 and 3. Click the Links tool in the toolbox (looks like a 3-link chain) and you will see grey arrows showing the links. Click on the one you want to delete so it is black, and press delete. Your page 3 may just disappear as there isn't anything which needs it, otherwise you can delete it. Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue May 2 22:04:47 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA125712 for opro ; Tue, 02 May 100 22:04:43 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 957208446:20:01545:103; Mon, 01 May 2000 19:14:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2007474; 1 May 2000 17:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA31617 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 1 May 2000 18:18:50 +0100 Received: from mail4.svr.pol.co.uk (mail4.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.211]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA31612 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 18:18:48 +0100 Received: from modem-193.maryland.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.71.193] helo=jaycee) by mail4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 12mJqG-0000of-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 01 May 2000 18:18:47 +0100 Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 18:20:06 GMT From: John Charman To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Deleting pages Message-ID: References: <0e9bdcb749.jaycee@jstp.freeserve.co.uk> <49b7eb3785rayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <49b7eb3785rayd@argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <49b7eb3785rayd@argonet.co.uk> you wrote: > In article <0e9bdcb749.jaycee@jstp.freeserve.co.uk>, John Charman > wrote: > > Having created a three page document which has text flowing over all > > three pages in linked frames - not the master frames - I find that when > > I delete sufficient text so that only two pages are required OPro will > > not allow me to delete page 3 because it says it contains linked frames. > > > How can I unlink the frames so that I can delete them and the page?? > > Click on the Link icon. > > Click on the link to the last page. > > Press Delete and the link will disappear. > > You can now delete the page. > > > I have noticed that the 'Insert page' function doesn't quite work. If I > want to add three extra pages and put 3 in the no of pages box, I only > ever get one extra page added. > > Cheers, > > Ray D > Thanks Ray - that worked. It also seems that only 'local' links stop you deleteing the page as there was still a master frame link on the page which I couldn't delete but the page itself deleted OK. Yes, I have noticed the 'effect' you mention - it doesn't seem to matter how many pages you tell it to add it only ever adds one. I have also noticed that even if you have a frame selected on (say) page 3 when you ask it to delete a page it gives the previous page in the delete box if there is too much of it on the screen - not too much of a problem if you know about it but if you are used to Publisher which deletes the page with the selected frame you can come unstuck. BTW I have not reported this to David as I assume he watches this mailing list and if he considers it necessary will pick up on items - maybe DP would confirm that. JayCee -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue May 2 22:04:52 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA125714 for opro ; Tue, 02 May 100 22:04:48 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 957215134:20:01108:980; Mon, 01 May 2000 21:05:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2122568; 1 May 2000 19:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA32186 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 1 May 2000 20:54:31 +0100 Received: from host1.kbnet.co.uk (IDENT:root@host1.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA32181 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 20:54:29 +0100 Received: from akalat (dialup009.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.41]) by host1.kbnet.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA00639 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 20:55:34 +0100 Message-ID: <002c01bfb3a6$d072f100$2994a8c2@akalat> From: "Mike Williams" To: References: <96f6c2b749%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> Subject: Re: Images, postscript & PDF Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 20:49:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro David Graddol wrote: >I think I've mentioned before that I sometimes have problems with >images in documents which I then PDF. The image (e.g. a photo) >is rendered extremely slowly in the PDF (i.e. a minute or two >rather than instant, painfully drawing many tiny strips) and >looks dreadful when its finished. I've now tracked down a >workaround and perhaps someone can explain what is going on. It would be helpful tp know the format of the image when it goes wrong. Is it RGB or CMYK, and what file format is used? Also, from what follows, do we assume that composite output was selected. If the image is a CMYK sprite, and output is composite, then the colours will often render incorrectly as RISC OS printer drivers cannot handle CMYK images. However, each separation, when separations are selected, is ai RGB 8-bit grey scale format, so no problem arises. Long live the day when RISC OS supports CMYK, preferably CMYK TIFF. Mike Williams Akalat Publishing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue May 2 22:05:25 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA125717 for opro ; Tue, 02 May 100 22:05:04 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 957206781:10:08779:16; Mon, 01 May 2000 18:46:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1108870; 1 May 2000 18:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA31954 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 1 May 2000 19:42:46 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA31949 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 19:42:44 +0100 Received: from usern611.uk.uudial.com (193.149.85.136) [193.149.85.136] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12mL9W-0003Q8-00; Mon, 1 May 2000 19:42:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Chris Wragg) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 19:41:55 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.24 for RISC OS 4.02 Subject: Re: Just checking my wishlist Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 1 May 2000 (14:54:47 +0100), waddell@which.net wrote: > Can I seek some reassurance about continuing to upgrade OvPro? > > I have remained, so far, at v.2.55 because I recall reading somewhere > that there was incompatability, if one upgraded further, with documents > created with earlier viersions? Go on - be brave! > How true is this? Are there work arounds? If you are working on your own there is no problem. All your old files will load into 2.58 as normal. The problem is that if you have to save them for someone else to read - e.g. on a network - they will not be able to read the files saved by 2.58 if they have not ungraded too. I did have this problem when for a short time I had 2.58 at home and an earlier version at work. It is possible to transfer to the older version using the DDL format, but it does require a little editing. This was several weeks ago, and I can't remember specifically which lines I had to delete, but if you need to know I could probably work it out again. > I still have Ovation on the icon bar because I have a small number of > complex forms in Ovation files. Is the 'unease' I feel about resaving > complex 'Ovation' forms as OvPro files foolish? (I could keep Ovation > backups of such conversions but why waste space!) Why worry either way? I have lots of old Ovation files. If I want to use one, I simply load it into OPro. If I change it and save it from OPro, no problem because I will then in future reload it as an OPro document. Having the old Ovation on the icon bar is just wasting memory space :-) HTH ChrisW -- --------------------------------------- Chris Wragg ...coming to you from Banham, Norfolk Using an Acorn RiscPC cwragg@argonet.co.uk Education Administration: http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/cwragg ------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue May 2 22:06:24 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA125724 for opro ; Tue, 02 May 100 22:06:12 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 957271108:20:04245:981; Tue, 02 May 2000 12:38:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2100964; 2 May 2000 10:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA01534 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 2 May 2000 11:05:09 +0100 Received: from ccug.wlv.ac.uk (ccug.wlv.ac.uk [134.220.1.46]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA01529 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 11:05:07 +0100 Received: from in5972-211.staff.wlv.ac.uk ([134.220.211.187] helo=in5972.wlv.ac.uk) by ccug.wlv.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.03 #2) id 12mZY9-0003dl-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 2 May 2000 11:05:05 +0100 Message-ID: <390EA844.3B8C@wlv.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 11:04:52 +0100 From: "M.L.Bellamy" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Creating a PDF file from OPro References: <49b574c714tomc@argonet.co.uk> <49b581d414tim@de-sig.co.nz> <49b780d6f2tomc@argonet.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > Thanks Tim. I tried it as you describe and it worked. Well, after a > fashion. The PDF file, when viewed, had a number of problems. These > included letters missing, very thick lines instead of the thin originals > and the logo (a simple light grey figure) was unrecognisable. Do you know > if this is a problem with !PDF or is it more likely to be a problem with > the conversion process? !PDF seems to have problems with lines and graphics. I typically use !ps2pdf to convert colour postscript files produced by OPro into pdfs to print on a non-postscript colour printer at work. These are nearly always jpegs in frames with borders of 0.25mm. In !PDF the frame borders (and shadows if activated) are displayed as thick rectangles and the graphics look like a greyscale relief map. On Acrobat they look fine on the screen, although there can be occasional discrepancies between the on-screen display and the printed page -- whether this is the PC's fault or some hidden problem with the conversion to pdf I don't know, but I've only seen the problem with drawfiles so far. Matt -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue May 2 22:06:35 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA125728 for opro ; Tue, 02 May 100 22:06:33 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 957271390:20:04345:1958; Tue, 02 May 2000 12:43:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2103785; 2 May 2000 11:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA01779 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 2 May 2000 12:17:16 +0100 Received: from holyrood.ed.ac.uk (holyrood.ed.ac.uk [129.215.16.14]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA01774 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 12:17:14 +0100 Received: from alfred.ed.ac.uk (dialup-134.publab.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.134]) by holyrood.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA16057 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 12:17:09 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 12:18:00 +0100 (BST) From: Alf Chamings Subject: Re: Spellchecking To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 01 May, John Charman wrote: > Sorry to ask yet another question but I have only recently started in earnest > to use OPro including transferring Impresson files (lots of them)..... > Did you see David Pilling's note to the effect that the next upgrade would include an Impression loader? Just in case you could wait a while and make the job easier... Regards Alf -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue May 2 22:06:41 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA125727 for opro ; Tue, 02 May 100 22:06:30 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 957215631:10:13311:16; Mon, 01 May 2000 21:13:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1013078; 1 May 2000 21:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA32402 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 1 May 2000 22:10:33 +0100 Received: from merlins.force9.net (merlins.plus.net.uk [195.166.128.23]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA32397 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 22:10:31 +0100 Received: (qmail 3678 invoked from network); 1 May 2000 21:14:09 -0000 Received: from ruin.servers.plus.net.uk (212.159.2.66) by merlins.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 1 May 2000 21:14:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 28385 invoked from network); 1 May 2000 21:09:44 -0000 Received: from 43.03-02.quay.dial.plus.net.uk (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (212.159.70.43) by ruin.servers.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 1 May 2000 21:09:44 -0000 Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 18:26:48 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: Just checking my wishlist To: Paul Hutton In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Mon 01 May, John Waddell wrote: > On Mon 01 May, P Hutton wrote: > > > > > Like everyone else, I am really excited about the forthcoming version of > > OPro. > > Can I seek some reassurance about continuing to upgrade OvPro? > > I have remained, so far, at v.2.55 because I recall reading somewhere that > there was incompatability, if one upgraded further, with documents created > with earlier viersions? > > How true is this? Are there work arounds? I think the other way round - documents created with the later versions of OPro will not load into earlier versions, but old documents will load into all versions newer than the one they were created with. > > I still have Ovation on the icon bar because I have a small number of > complex forms in Ovation files. Is the 'unease' I feel about resaving > complex 'Ovation' forms as OvPro files foolish? (I could keep Ovation > backups of such conversions but why waste space!) I wouldn't expect any problems here, but why not convert a couple and make sure they are OK before deleting or over-writing the originals. Definitely a case for suck-it-and-see. Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue May 2 22:06:51 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA125733 for opro ; Tue, 02 May 100 22:06:49 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 957288091:20:07910:136; Tue, 02 May 2000 17:21:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2118379; 2 May 2000 17:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA02646 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 2 May 2000 18:15:24 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA02641 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 18:15:23 +0100 Received: from usereb78.uk.uudial.com (62.188.10.59) [62.188.10.59] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12mgGX-0005oy-00; Tue, 2 May 2000 18:15:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Dr P.N.Young" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 18:10:04 +0100 Subject: Re: Spellchecking Message-ID: <49b87a1269pnyoung@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , John Charman wrote: > Sorry to ask yet another question but I have only recently started in earnest > to use OPro including transferring Impresson files (lots of them)..... > When using the spelling checker it seems that you can only either add or > ignore a word that the checker throws up - this would seem to be OK except > that I do not want an ignore dictionary (perverse aren't I?); with Impression > you could just go on to the next word but unless I am missing something > obvious you can't do that with OPro - or can you? Don't you just click on without doing anything else? This replaces the unrecognised word with itself, leaving the spell-checker happy :-) The only problem is that, if you use the red-line underlining, this doesn't remove that. For myself, I have been more than happy with the ignore dictionary for the words I don't want permanently in the dictionary. HTH, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. Anne \ / __ __ \ England. Cecilia / / \ | | |\ | / _ \http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/pnyoung James / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \_____________ pnyoung@argonet.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue May 2 22:08:06 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA125743 for opro ; Tue, 02 May 100 22:08:03 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 957252670:10:15169:16; Tue, 02 May 2000 07:31:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1014936; 2 May 2000 7:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA01043 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 2 May 2000 08:27:54 +0100 Received: from mserv1c.u-net.net (mserv1c.u-net.net [195.102.240.33]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA01038 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 08:27:52 +0100 Received: from [195.102.204.83] (helo=Caslon.english.co.uk) by mserv1c.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #35) id 12mX5r-0002dL-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 2 May 2000 08:27:43 +0100 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Tue, 02 May 2000 08:07:33 +0100 Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 08:09:13 +0100 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Images, postscript & PDF Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002c01bfb3a6$d072f100$2994a8c2@akalat> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro "Mike Williams" wrote: > David Graddol wrote: > > >I think I've mentioned before that I sometimes have problems with > >images in documents which I then PDF. The image (e.g. a photo) > >is rendered extremely slowly in the PDF (i.e. a minute or two > >rather than instant, painfully drawing many tiny strips) and > >looks dreadful when its finished. I've now tracked down a > >workaround and perhaps someone can explain what is going on. > > It would be helpful tp know the format of the image when it goes wrong. Is > it RGB or CMYK, and what file format is used? Also, from what follows, do we > assume that composite output was selected. Yes, the problem arises with composite output and with practically any image format that I've tried. I'm not sure what determines whether an image is output as CMYK or RGB, but I get a problem with RGB sprites or jpegs set to RGB in OvPro's Picture>Process. The problem is not colour rendition per se (actually, the images in question are b&w). When distilled to PDF and viewed on the pc these images are rendered very slowly on the screen, as if they had been rendered at far too high a resolution and broken up into tiny strips. This is true even if distiller is set to downsample to 72dpi. The resultant PDF is unusable on the screen. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue May 2 22:09:00 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA125745 for opro ; Tue, 02 May 100 22:08:28 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 957259968:10:25444:87; Tue, 02 May 2000 09:32:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1018434; 2 May 2000 9:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA01314 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 2 May 2000 10:03:02 +0100 Received: from tvweb1.hiway.co.uk (root@tvweb1.hiway.co.uk [195.12.1.131]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA01308 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 10:03:00 +0100 From: Received: from mail-gw.quantel.com ([195.12.20.50]) by tvweb1.hiway.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA07533 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 10:02:55 +0100 Received: SMTP by Quantel-Mailhub (8.8.7/3.1). id LAA16407 for INET:ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Tue, 2 May 2000 11:03:30 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: <802568D3.0030DE6A.00@buffer1.HQ.quantel> Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 10:03:37 +0100 Subject: Re: Creating a PDF file from OPro Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Organization: Quantel Ltd. Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Tony van der Hoff on 28/04/2000 17:34:12 wrote:- > BillyGates had nothing to do with nutscrape though ;-) It's his fault there is the debacle over line endings though :-) opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote:- >Yes but you wouldn't mess about like that (it won't work correctly in the >general case), you'd just use the browser feature that allows direct >download to file (whichever browser you have) - wouldn't you? I agree it is dodgy messing like this, but it can be real hard work persuading NetScrap to save something as binary when it thinks it knows better. IE is slightly better in this area, but the whole thing is still a mess that shouldn't have happened. >I guess instead of bob/sea there would have been a lot less fuss if they'd been >called bob/exe (or something the browser would auto save to file). Or even us a zip file like most other people. Andy Ling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue May 2 22:09:17 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA125747 for opro ; Tue, 02 May 100 22:09:13 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 957288936:10:19794:58; Tue, 02 May 2000 17:35:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1107392; 2 May 2000 17:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA02566 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 2 May 2000 18:01:08 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA02561 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 18:01:06 +0100 Received: from usereb29.uk.uudial.com (62.188.10.10) [62.188.10.10] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12mg2d-0005GA-00; Tue, 2 May 2000 18:01:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Dr P.N.Young" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 17:59:02 +0100 Subject: Re: Creating a PDF file from OPro Message-ID: <49b8790f93pnyoung@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <49b780d6f2tomc@argonet.co.uk> References: <49b574c714tomc@argonet.co.uk> <49b581d414tim@de-sig.co.nz> <49b780d6f2tomc@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <49b780d6f2tomc@argonet.co.uk>, > > Or more simply download the frontend - !ps2pdf - from... Did anyone post this URL? If so, I missed it, and would welcome it. TIA, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. Anne \ / __ __ \ England. Cecilia / / \ | | |\ | / _ \http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/pnyoung James / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \_____________ pnyoung@argonet.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed May 3 02:14:07 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA125773 for opro ; Wed, 03 May 100 02:14:04 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 957301584:10:22906:16; Tue, 02 May 2000 21:06:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1022798; 2 May 2000 21:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA03213 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 2 May 2000 22:01:44 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA03208 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 22:01:42 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12mjna-000AWT-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 2 May 2000 21:01:42 +0000 Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 03:19:58 GMT Message-Id: <125657@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Label Applet X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I have been experimenting with making my own template, >but this has only been partially successful. There are two >problems:- > - Merge fields 4,8,12,16 will not accept a label Its a bug in the applet. It works by processing the DDL form of the document, and assumes that only one {merge } tag occurs in a line. In your case sometimes 2 occcur (4,8 etc are the last of a pair in a line). Workaround is to hack the DDL so that {merge 3}{newpara}{newpara}{newpara}{newpara}{newpara}{merge 4}{newpara} becomes {merge 3}{newpara}{newpara}{newpara}{newpara} {newpara}{merge 4}{newpara} Or rearrange the original document. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed May 3 02:14:08 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA125774 for opro ; Wed, 03 May 100 02:14:04 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 957302371:20:18190:44; Tue, 02 May 2000 21:19:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2018155; 2 May 2000 21:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA03286 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 2 May 2000 22:15:43 +0100 Received: from brainy.kiwilink.co.nz (brainy.kiwilink.co.nz [203.98.52.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA03281 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 22:15:37 +0100 Received: from timk.kiwilink.co.nz (as5200-58.kiwilink.co.nz [203.98.52.124]) by brainy.kiwilink.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA25886 for ; Wed, 3 May 2000 09:12:57 +1200 (NZST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tim King To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 09:17:12 +1200 Subject: Re: Creating a PDF file from OPro Message-ID: <49b890b2b9tim@de-sig.co.nz> In-Reply-To: <49b8790f93pnyoung@argonet.co.uk> References: <49b574c714tomc@argonet.co.uk> <49b581d414tim@de-sig.co.nz> <49b780d6f2tomc@argonet.co.uk> <49b8790f93pnyoung@argon User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <49b8790f93pnyoung@argonet.co.uk>, Dr P.N.Young wrote: > In article <49b780d6f2tomc@argonet.co.uk>, > > > > Or more simply download the frontend - !ps2pdf - from... > > Did anyone post this URL? If so, I missed it, and would welcome it. http://www.winterfold.freeserve.co.uk/ Tim -- Tim King... de-Sig. +64 9 478.3114 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed May 3 02:14:14 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA125776 for opro ; Wed, 03 May 100 02:14:11 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 957303104:20:01024:172; Tue, 02 May 2000 21:31:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2102487; 2 May 2000 21:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA03388 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 2 May 2000 22:29:05 +0100 Received: from mashie.force9.net (mashie.force9.net [195.166.128.30]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA03383 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 22:29:02 +0100 Received: (qmail 21035 invoked from network); 2 May 2000 21:33:12 -0000 Received: from ruin.servers.plus.net.uk (212.159.2.66) by mashie.force9.net with SMTP; 2 May 2000 21:33:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 31199 invoked from network); 2 May 2000 21:28:26 -0000 Received: from 175.04-02.quay.dial.plus.net.uk (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (212.159.71.175) by ruin.servers.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 2 May 2000 21:28:26 -0000 Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 21:44:47 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: Creating a PDF file from OPro To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <49b8790f93pnyoung@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Tue 02 May, Dr P.N.Young wrote: > In article <49b780d6f2tomc@argonet.co.uk>, > > > > > > Or more simply download the frontend - !ps2pdf - from... > > > > Did anyone post this URL? If so, I missed it, and would welcome it. > > TIA, > > Peter. It was posted to this list on Thu, 20 Jan 2000 by Graham Jones in the thread "Re: PDF (was RTF) file __Quote__ I hope nobody minds me reminding you all that PDF documents can be created easily and at no cost on RISC OS as well - using Ghostscript and !Ps2PDF. Ghostscript has handled all of the Postscript I have thrown at it so far, except for possibly docs using the TeX/LaTeX fonts - the forthcoming Ghostscript 6 may even handle them. Simply run !Ps2PDF and drop your PS file on the icon ...... Ghostscript is at http://www.acornusers.org/ghostscript !Ps2PDF is at http://www.winterfold.freeserve.co.uk __EndQuote__ Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed May 3 02:14:32 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA125780 for opro ; Wed, 03 May 100 02:14:29 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 957304488:20:22672:27; Tue, 02 May 2000 21:54:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2022415; 2 May 2000 21:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA03550 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 2 May 2000 22:52:52 +0100 Received: from mail4.svr.pol.co.uk (mail4.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.211]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA03545 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 22:52:50 +0100 Received: from modem-2.sodium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.10.2] helo=orchard-way) by mail4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 12mkb3-00076R-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 02 May 2000 22:52:50 +0100 Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 22:28:22 +0100 From: Alan Adams To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Deleting pages Message-ID: <60b891b849.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> References: <0e9bdcb749.jaycee@jstp.freeserve.co.uk> <49b7eb3785rayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10 (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: > In message <49b7eb3785rayd@argonet.co.uk> you wrote: > > > In article <0e9bdcb749.jaycee@jstp.freeserve.co.uk>, John Charman > > wrote: > > > Having created a three page document which has text flowing over all > > > three pages in linked frames - not the master frames - I find that when > > > I delete sufficient text so that only two pages are required OPro will > > > not allow me to delete page 3 because it says it contains linked frames. > > > > > How can I unlink the frames so that I can delete them and the page?? > > > > Click on the Link icon. > > > > Click on the link to the last page. > > > > Press Delete and the link will disappear. > > > > You can now delete the page. > > > > > > I have noticed that the 'Insert page' function doesn't quite work. If I > > want to add three extra pages and put 3 in the no of pages box, I only > > ever get one extra page added. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Ray D > > > Thanks Ray - that worked. It also seems that only 'local' links stop you > deleteing the page as there was still a master frame link on the page which I > couldn't delete but the page itself deleted OK. > > Yes, I have noticed the 'effect' you mention - it doesn't seem to matter how > many pages you tell it to add it only ever adds one. If you add pages in the middle of a document it adds the requested number. I think it objects to adding unnecessary blank pages at the end - they get added when the contents overflow into them. > > I have also noticed that even if you have a frame selected on (say) page 3 > when you ask it to delete a page it gives the previous page in the delete box > if there is too much of it on the screen - not too much of a problem if you > know about it but if you are used to Publisher which deletes the page with the > selected frame you can come unstuck. I too find the current page not always intuitive. Try scrolling down a document and watching the page number at the bottom - it doesn't increment where you would expect it to. > > BTW I have not reported this to David as I assume he watches this mailing list > and if he considers it necessary will pick up on items - maybe DP would > confirm that. > > JayCee > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message > -- Alan Adams alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.freeserve.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed May 3 14:05:43 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA125825 for opro ; Wed, 03 May 100 14:05:42 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 957322298:20:16325:37; Wed, 03 May 2000 02:51:38 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2115250; 3 May 2000 2:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA04237 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 May 2000 03:49:42 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA04228 for ; Wed, 3 May 2000 03:49:40 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12mpEJ-0000yD-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 3 May 2000 02:49:40 +0000 Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 03:17:02 GMT Message-Id: <125812@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Deleting pages X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, >I have noticed that the 'Insert page' function doesn't quite work. If I >want to add three extra pages and put 3 in the no of pages box, I only >ever get one extra page added. Depends how you look at things... In OPro auto page removal is always on. So normally you insert three pages, all the text flows up through the three new pages and three pages get dropped off the end. BUT if your document has local frames on the pages this might not happen and in any case you'd see that three pages had been inserted. Insert/delete pages are provided for dealing with this sort of situation, not for the "I feel like a document 6 pages long lets construct it" scenario. There is one exception if a document has master pages with no auto link chains then auto page removal is not active, and insert pages just does that. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed May 3 14:05:46 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA125826 for opro ; Wed, 03 May 100 14:05:44 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 957322299:20:16325:58; Wed, 03 May 2000 02:51:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2016481; 3 May 2000 2:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA04252 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 May 2000 03:49:49 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA04240 for ; Wed, 3 May 2000 03:49:43 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12mpEM-0000yD-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 3 May 2000 02:49:43 +0000 Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 03:26:19 GMT Message-Id: <125816@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Images, postscript & PDF X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I think I've mentioned before that I sometimes have problems with >images in documents which I then PDF. The image (e.g. a photo) >is rendered extremely slowly in the PDF (i.e. a minute or two >rather than instant, painfully drawing many tiny strips) This all sounds a bit like the usual lament for PostScript files in which colour sprites with masks are rendered. In which case there is some understanding, a few workarounds, and a fundamental problem known. I'd probably try to sell you the idea of saving your images as EPS from David Pilling's scanning software, and importing the EPS into OPro, that will bypass the RISC OS printer driver code, but it won't support masked images. >the painful parts is cropping, sizing and ensuring that the result >is either around 300 dpi or 90 dpi (depending on whether the >document is destined for print or screen display). This is doable, but why is it necessary. PS should be resolution independent. i.e. the printer driver should be bridging the resolutions. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed May 3 14:05:49 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA125827 for opro ; Wed, 03 May 100 14:05:47 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 957322365:20:17305:35; Wed, 03 May 2000 02:52:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2115964; 3 May 2000 2:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA04254 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 May 2000 03:49:50 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA04247 for ; Wed, 3 May 2000 03:49:45 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12mpEO-0000yD-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 3 May 2000 02:49:44 +0000 Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 03:31:41 GMT Message-Id: <125818@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Just checking my wishlist X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I still have Ovation on the icon bar because I have a small number of >complex forms in Ovation files. Is the 'unease' I feel about resaving >complex 'Ovation' forms as OvPro files foolish? (I could keep Ovation >backups of such conversions but why waste space!) I'd have no worries about converting them to OPro format, but I would keep the backups. But *I'd* advise you to backup your HD to CDR once a week... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed May 3 14:05:50 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA125828 for opro ; Wed, 03 May 100 14:05:47 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 957322620:11:08921:16; Wed, 03 May 2000 02:57:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1108903; 3 May 2000 2:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA04244 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 May 2000 03:49:45 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA04234 for ; Wed, 3 May 2000 03:49:42 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12mpEL-0000yD-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 3 May 2000 02:49:41 +0000 Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 03:24:34 GMT Message-Id: <125814@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Spellchecking X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >When using the spelling checker it seems that you can only either add or >ignore a word that the checker throws up - this would seem to be OK except >that I do not want an ignore dictionary (perverse aren't I?); with Impression >you could just go on to the next word but unless I am missing something >obvious you can't do that with OPro - or can you? Just bash return, and it will continue. Effectively you're replacing the 'error' with itself. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed May 3 14:08:46 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA125835 for opro ; Wed, 03 May 100 14:08:40 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 957342801:10:02105:22; Wed, 03 May 2000 08:33:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1001673; 3 May 2000 8:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA05186 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 May 2000 09:28:02 +0100 Received: from mserv1b.u-net.net (mserv1b.u-net.net [195.102.240.137]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA05181 for ; Wed, 3 May 2000 09:28:00 +0100 Received: from [195.102.204.56] (helo=Caslon.english.co.uk) by mserv1b.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #63) id 12muVg-0002mS-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 3 May 2000 09:27:57 +0100 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Wed, 03 May 2000 09:04:50 +0100 Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 09:06:54 +0100 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Images, postscript & PDF Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <125816@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > >I think I've mentioned before that I sometimes have problems with > >images in documents which I then PDF. The image (e.g. a photo) > >is rendered extremely slowly in the PDF (i.e. a minute or two > >rather than instant, painfully drawing many tiny strips) > > > This all sounds a bit like the usual lament for PostScript files > in which colour sprites with masks are rendered. In which case > there is some understanding, a few workarounds, and a fundamental > problem known. > > I'd probably try to sell you the idea of saving your images as EPS > from David Pilling's scanning software, and importing the EPS into OPro, that will bypass > the RISC OS printer driver code, but it won't support masked images. OK, I'll try this. > > >the painful parts is cropping, sizing and ensuring that the result > >is either around 300 dpi or 90 dpi (depending on whether the > >document is destined for print or screen display). > > This is doable, but why is it necessary. PS should be resolution independent. > i.e. the printer driver should be bridging the resolutions. Surely not when embedded bitmaps are concerned? Are you saying that the printer driver resamples in some way according to the resolution of the output device? David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed May 3 18:30:17 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA125852 for opro ; Wed, 03 May 100 18:30:15 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 957364980:20:09082:18; Wed, 03 May 2000 14:43:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2008287; 3 May 2000 14:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA06005 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 May 2000 15:35:01 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA06000 for ; Wed, 3 May 2000 15:34:59 +0100 Received: from userfa84.uk.uudial.com (62.188.19.254) [62.188.19.254] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12n0Eo-0005gG-00; Wed, 3 May 2000 15:34:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Dr P.N.Young" To: Ovation Pro List Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 15:26:36 +0100 Subject: Re: Creating a PDF file from OPro Message-ID: <49b8eef0f5pnyoung@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <49b8790f93pnyoung@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Anthony Hilton wrote: > In on Tue 02 May, Dr P.N.Young wrote: > > In article <49b780d6f2tomc@argonet.co.uk>, > > > > > > > > > > Or more simply download the frontend - !ps2pdf - from... > > > > > > > > Did anyone post this URL? If so, I missed it, and would welcome it. > > > > TIA, > > > > Peter. > It was posted to this list on Thu, 20 Jan 2000 by Graham Jones > in the thread "Re: PDF (was RTF) file > output": __Quote__ I hope nobody minds me reminding you all that PDF > documents can be created easily and at no cost on RISC OS as well - > using Ghostscript and !Ps2PDF. Ghostscript has handled all of the > Postscript I have thrown at it so far, except for possibly docs using > the TeX/LaTeX fonts - the forthcoming Ghostscript 6 may even handle > them. Simply run !Ps2PDF and drop your PS file on the icon ...... > Ghostscript is at http://www.acornusers.org/ghostscript !Ps2PDF is at > http://www.winterfold.freeserve.co.uk Thanks for this; also thanks to Tim for posting the URL too. Off to get Ps2PDF now ... Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. Anne \ / __ __ \ England. Cecilia / / \ | | |\ | / _ \http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/pnyoung James / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \_____________ pnyoung@argonet.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed May 3 18:30:37 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA125858 for opro ; Wed, 03 May 100 18:30:36 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 957374554:20:11968:24; Wed, 03 May 2000 17:22:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2107447; 3 May 2000 17:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA06518 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 May 2000 18:17:35 +0100 Received: from tvweb1.hiway.co.uk (root@tvweb1.hiway.co.uk [195.12.1.131]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA06513 for ; Wed, 3 May 2000 18:17:34 +0100 From: Received: from mail-gw.quantel.com ([195.12.20.50]) by tvweb1.hiway.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA09618 for ; Wed, 3 May 2000 18:17:28 +0100 Received: SMTP by Quantel-Mailhub (8.8.7/3.1). id TAA19783 for INET:ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Wed, 3 May 2000 19:18:09 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: <802568D4.005EDAEB.00@buffer1.HQ.quantel> Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 18:18:07 +0100 Subject: Re: Fonts Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Organization: Quantel Ltd. Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >While using OvationPro, I typed in the word >'fill' and then changed it to OVOID font. This had >the effect of displaying ll. I tried to type in the >missing fi. This would not work. I could type the f >but if I typed the i following it, it deleted the f >and printed nothing. I tried this with other fonts and Presumably this is the ligature applet converting the f and i into a fi single character. If the font you are using doesn't have that character defined then you will get nothing displayed. Andy Ling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed May 3 18:30:40 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA125856 for opro ; Wed, 03 May 100 18:30:28 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 957374114:11:26855:332; Wed, 03 May 2000 17:15:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1123372; 3 May 2000 17:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA06425 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 May 2000 17:58:14 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA06420 for ; Wed, 3 May 2000 17:58:12 +0100 Received: from narrator.demon.co.uk ([158.152.60.112]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12n2TS-000FSC-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 3 May 2000 16:58:11 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by narrator.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Tue, 02 May 2000 18:01:17 GMT Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 19:01:08 +0100 From: Neill McNeill To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Fonts Message-ID: <43bf7eb849%neill@narrator.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home/Sensible Software X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40b for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro While using OvationPro, I typed in the word 'fill' and then changed it to OVOID font. This had the effect of displaying ll. I tried to type in the missing fi. This would not work. I could type the f but if I typed the i following it, it deleted the f and printed nothing. I tried this with other fonts and was interested to find that several of them produced the same effect. I then loaded !edit and was able to display 'fill' in all fonts. Is this a bug with OvationPro or is it the fonts which are at fault? Does anyone know? -- | Neill McNeill | Streatham Common|LONDON SW16| |Acorn StrongArm Risc PC OS 3.7|48Mb| |Email:neill@narrator.demon.co.uk| |Visit:http://www.narrator.demon.co.uk/software| -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed May 3 19:11:03 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA125868 for opro ; Wed, 03 May 100 19:10:56 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 957375494:10:27757:18; Wed, 03 May 2000 17:38:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1026201; 3 May 2000 17:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA06656 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 May 2000 18:33:37 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA06626 for ; Wed, 3 May 2000 18:30:59 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12n2z1-0007J1-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 3 May 2000 17:30:48 +0000 Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 14:25:30 GMT Message-Id: <125845@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Images, postscript & PDF X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Surely not when embedded bitmaps are concerned? Are you saying >that the printer driver resamples in some way according to the >resolution of the output device? I can't deny it, yes thats what I think. Otherwise bitmaps would change size dependent on the device resolution. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed May 3 22:08:07 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA125879 for opro ; Wed, 03 May 100 22:08:04 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 957386293:20:08212:43; Wed, 03 May 2000 20:38:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2111264; 3 May 2000 20:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA07328 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 May 2000 21:35:24 +0100 Received: from brainy.kiwilink.co.nz (brainy.kiwilink.co.nz [203.98.52.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA07320 for ; Wed, 3 May 2000 21:35:18 +0100 Received: from timk.kiwilink.co.nz (as5200-24.kiwilink.co.nz [203.98.52.90]) by brainy.kiwilink.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA01541 for ; Thu, 4 May 2000 08:32:35 +1200 (NZST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tim King To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 08:01:27 +1200 Subject: Style Pal Message-ID: <49b90d9935tim@de-sig.co.nz> In-Reply-To: References: <125816@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In the new StylePal, which is the bit to stop it automatically appearing with a new window. I thought it used to be int stylepal_palette = 1. I see now we've got int stylepal_newfile = 0. Tried changing this. Tried changing everything in an unmethodical kind of way. What's the secret? Tim -- Tim King... de-Sig. +64 9 478.3114 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed May 3 22:08:08 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA125880 for opro ; Wed, 03 May 100 22:08:05 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 957387603:10:20021:16; Wed, 03 May 2000 21:00:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1123066; 3 May 2000 21:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA07478 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 May 2000 21:58:05 +0100 Received: from mserv1b.u-net.net (mserv1b.u-net.net [195.102.240.137]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA07473 for ; Wed, 3 May 2000 21:58:03 +0100 Received: from [195.102.204.92] (helo=Caslon.english.co.uk) by mserv1b.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #63) id 12n6DX-0000oT-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 3 May 2000 21:58:00 +0100 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Wed, 03 May 2000 21:39:19 +0100 Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 21:40:40 +0100 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Images, postscript & PDF Message-ID: <5e3011b949%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <125845@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > >Surely not when embedded bitmaps are concerned? Are you saying > >that the printer driver resamples in some way according to the > >resolution of the output device? > > I can't deny it, yes thats what I think. > > Otherwise bitmaps would change size dependent on the device resolution. > Oh dear, I'm going to have to go away and ponder on this and on my understanding of the relationship between image dpi, screen resolution, and resolution of the output device. I didn't think that the postscript printer drivers did anything destructive to a bitmap image, just inserted info which was interpreted (and could be over-ruled by) a RIP as required. Yours, seriously confused, David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed May 3 22:08:11 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA125881 for opro ; Wed, 03 May 100 22:08:09 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 957386319:20:08898:35; Wed, 03 May 2000 20:38:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2008800; 3 May 2000 20:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA07330 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 May 2000 21:35:25 +0100 Received: from brainy.kiwilink.co.nz (brainy.kiwilink.co.nz [203.98.52.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA07319 for ; Wed, 3 May 2000 21:35:16 +0100 Received: from timk.kiwilink.co.nz (as5200-24.kiwilink.co.nz [203.98.52.90]) by brainy.kiwilink.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA01527 for ; Thu, 4 May 2000 08:32:27 +1200 (NZST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tim King To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 07:54:47 +1200 Subject: Re: Images, postscript & PDF Message-ID: <49b90cfcf7tim@de-sig.co.nz> In-Reply-To: References: <125816@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R While we're on images, postscript, & pdf... What's happening to the resolution of an image from ps to pdf. My local printer received 1 of my ps files for a laser proof yesterday and passed it through Distiller rather than straight through the Fiery downloader. It was like a dpi seive. The images were all jpeg's - my argument being with ps2 they'd be in the ps file as jpegs with all their resolution and size data fixed and intact. I told em there was obviously some setting in Distiller... Their response was no, it always happens with pdf (they hadn't recognised the file type and Distiller interpreted/converted it as pdf) to the extent the print shop doesn't accept pdf's for processing to film. This can't be right, surely. What's going on? David? David? Tim -- Tim King... de-Sig. +64 9 478.3114 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed May 3 22:08:14 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA125883 for opro ; Wed, 03 May 100 22:08:12 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 957387930:10:27567:35; Wed, 03 May 2000 21:05:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1027429; 3 May 2000 21:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA07532 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 May 2000 22:02:37 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA07527 for ; Wed, 3 May 2000 22:02:36 +0100 Received: from usercp83.uk.uudial.com (62.188.156.112) [62.188.156.112] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12n6Hw-0001YG-00; Wed, 3 May 2000 22:02:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mr T J Chubb To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 21:47:39 +0100 Subject: Re: Creating a PDF file from OPro Message-ID: <49b911d3eatomc@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <49b8eef0f5pnyoung@argonet.co.uk> References: <49b8790f93pnyoung@argonet.co.uk> <49b8eef0f5pnyoung@argonet.c User-Agent: Pluto/1.14i (RISC-OS/3.50) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi all, > Thanks for this; also thanks to Tim for posting the URL too. Off to get > Ps2PDF now ... Me too. Got it, but am not sure what to do with what I have got. It downloads as a text file with the suffix /sea. What do I set it to in order to use it? Many thanks. Tom C -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | tomc@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed May 3 23:17:59 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA125898 for opro ; Wed, 03 May 100 23:17:10 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 957389838:10:10167:23; Wed, 03 May 2000 21:37:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1112369; 3 May 2000 21:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA07756 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 May 2000 22:34:02 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA07751 for ; Wed, 3 May 2000 22:34:00 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12n6mN-000D1c-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 3 May 2000 21:33:59 +0000 Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 22:11:56 GMT Message-Id: <125884@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Images, postscript & PDF X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >resolution, and resolution of the output device. I didn't think >that the postscript printer drivers did anything destructive to >a bitmap image, just inserted info which was interpreted >(and could be over-ruled by) a RIP as required. Yes I'd go along with that. The printer driver should be able to just insert all the pixels in the bit map into the PS file. Quite if it does that in every situation, is something to decided by observation. What I meant was that at the end of the day, the printer can't use exactly the pixels provided it has to resample them for the output resolution. All this is for PS, for a raster printer, like an inkjet, then RISC OS will resample bit maps to the right resolution. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed May 3 23:18:01 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA125899 for opro ; Wed, 03 May 100 23:18:00 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 957389847:11:12841:29; Wed, 03 May 2000 21:37:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1009906; 3 May 2000 21:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA07763 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 May 2000 22:34:07 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA07758 for ; Wed, 3 May 2000 22:34:05 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12n6mP-000D1c-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 3 May 2000 21:34:01 +0000 Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 22:15:38 GMT Message-Id: <125886@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Images, postscript & PDF X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >The images were all jpeg's - my argument being with ps2 they'd be in >the ps file as jpegs with all their resolution and size data fixed and >intact. JPEG's will pass through to PS, as long as they're not processed or part of a separation, and not rotated or skewed. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu May 4 01:06:10 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA125900 for opro ; Thu, 04 May 100 01:06:01 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 957395587:20:22029:16; Wed, 03 May 2000 23:13:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2122506; 3 May 2000 23:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA08331 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 4 May 2000 00:08:48 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA08326 for ; Thu, 4 May 2000 00:08:46 +0100 Received: from userev33.uk.uudial.com (userev33) [62.188.17.216] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12n8G5-0000oY-00; Thu, 4 May 2000 00:08:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 23:43:51 +0100 Subject: Re: Style Pal Message-ID: <49b91c773frayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <49b90d9935tim@de-sig.co.nz> References: <125816@pilling.demon.co.uk> <49b90d9935tim@de-sig.co.nz> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <49b90d9935tim@de-sig.co.nz>, Tim King wrote: > In the new StylePal, which is the bit to stop it automatically > appearing with a new window. > I thought it used to be int stylepal_palette = 1. I see now we've got > int stylepal_newfile = 0. Tried changing this. Tried changing > everything in an unmethodical kind of way. What's the secret? Turn it off in the Applets menu. You can set the macro button for it which will then turn it on and off as you want it. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 020 8864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu May 4 01:06:11 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA125901 for opro ; Thu, 04 May 100 01:06:02 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 957393590:10:03652:16; Wed, 03 May 2000 22:39:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1101683; 3 May 2000 22:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA08188 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 May 2000 23:37:39 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA08183 for ; Wed, 3 May 2000 23:37:37 +0100 Received: from userk602.uk.uudial.com (193.149.70.178) [193.149.70.178] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12n7lt-000761-00; Wed, 3 May 2000 23:37:36 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "charles.hope" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 11:12:40 +0100 Subject: Re: Deleting pages Message-ID: <49b8d7b19dcharles.hope@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <125812@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <125812@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.01f (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On 03 May, David Pilling wrote: > Insert/delete pages are provided for dealing with this sort of > situation, not for the "I feel like a document 6 pages long lets > construct it" scenario. but that is, surely a perfectly valid scenario. I regularly need to produce an 8 or 12 page document which gets printed out in pamphlet form. For layout purposes it is much easier to set out 8 blank pages and then start fitting the items into them. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu May 4 14:04:14 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA125912 for opro ; Thu, 04 May 100 14:04:07 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 957406060:10:18349:16; Thu, 04 May 2000 02:07:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1018266; 4 May 2000 2:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA08765 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 4 May 2000 02:52:18 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA08760 for ; Thu, 4 May 2000 02:52:17 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12nAoJ-000MMq-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 4 May 2000 01:52:15 +0000 Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 01:07:50 GMT Message-Id: <125903@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Deleting pages X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >> Insert/delete pages are provided for dealing with this sort of >> situation, not for the "I feel like a document 6 pages long lets >> construct it" scenario. >but that is, surely a perfectly valid scenario. I suppose it is, but I'm telling you the thinking behind the feature. It actually goes back to Ovation, and the horrors with its master pages and so on. Arranging a set number of pages won't tax you too much even now. Just create a dummy autolink frame, and bash the Enter key once for each page. However presumeably I should add another option to document preferences for 'auto page insert/remove' David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu May 4 14:04:20 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA125913 for opro ; Thu, 04 May 100 14:04:16 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 957428253:20:03025:16; Thu, 04 May 2000 08:17:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2002984; 4 May 2000 8:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA09426 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 4 May 2000 09:14:37 +0100 Received: from inca.sle.sharp.co.uk (root@hades-sle.sharp.co.uk [193.114.241.3]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA09421 for ; Thu, 4 May 2000 09:14:34 +0100 Received: from sharp.co.uk (aardog.sle.sharp.co.uk [192.16.16.173]) by inca.sle.sharp.co.uk (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA21993 for ; Thu, 4 May 2000 09:08:19 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <39113191.740B6632@sharp.co.uk> Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 09:15:13 +0100 From: Graham Jones Organization: Sharp Laboratories of Europe X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Images, postscript & PDF References: <125816@pilling.demon.co.uk> <49b90cfcf7tim@de-sig.co.nz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Tim King wrote: > > While we're on images, postscript, & pdf... > > I told em there was obviously some setting in Distiller... There are Distiller settings for resolution, colour depth and compression type. You can turn downsampling off, so that the resolution of the image in the PDF file is exactly the same as the original in the PS file. If your PS file normally prints OK, or looks OK when viewed with your favourite PS previewer, then it is probably a problem with the PS to PDF conversion by the printer - i.e. not knowing how to use Distiller properly. The RISC OS Printer drivers might not be perfect but I have never known them to ruin images in that way .... seems to point to your printer! Graham. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu May 4 14:04:49 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA125918 for opro ; Thu, 04 May 100 14:04:29 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 957430580:20:12038:17; Thu, 04 May 2000 08:56:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2010497; 4 May 2000 8:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA09629 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 4 May 2000 09:53:24 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA09624 for ; Thu, 4 May 2000 09:53:22 +0100 Received: from useram15.uk.uudial.com (62.188.134.187) [62.188.134.187] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12nHNo-0000RA-00; Thu, 4 May 2000 09:53:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Dr P.N.Young" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 09:45:18 +0100 Subject: Re: Creating a PDF file from OPro Message-ID: <49b95387c7pnyoung@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <49b911d3eatomc@argonet.co.uk> References: <49b8790f93pnyoung@argonet.co.uk> <49b8eef0f5pnyoung@argonet.c User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <49b911d3eatomc@argonet.co.uk>, Mr T J Chubb wrote: > Hi all, > > > Thanks for this; also thanks to Tim for posting the URL too. Off to get > > Ps2PDF now ... > Me too. Got it, but am not sure what to do with what I have got. It > downloads as a text file with the suffix /sea. What do I set it to in > order to use it? That fooled me too, initially. The instructions are in fact hidden away on the web-page. /sea is a self-extracting archive. You need to set the filetype to 'absolute' and then double-click on it. Bingo, out comes !Ps2pdf. HTH, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. Anne \ / __ __ \ England. Cecilia / / \ | | |\ | / _ \http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/pnyoung James / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \_____________ pnyoung@argonet.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu May 4 14:44:32 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA125934 for opro ; Thu, 04 May 100 14:44:30 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 957431125:10:22160:17; Thu, 04 May 2000 09:05:25 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1018710; 4 May 2000 9:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA09693 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 4 May 2000 09:58:20 +0100 Received: from mail1.hw.ac.uk (mail1.hw.ac.uk [137.195.170.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA09688 for ; Thu, 4 May 2000 09:58:18 +0100 Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.32.15]) by mail1.hw.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12nHSb-0002fX-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 4 May 2000 09:58:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 09:53:53 +0100 Subject: Re: Creating a PDF file from OPro Message-ID: <49b9545104C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <49b911d3eatomc@argonet.co.uk> References: <49b8790f93pnyoung@argonet.co.uk> <49b8eef0f5pnyoung@argonet.c User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <49b911d3eatomc@argonet.co.uk>, Mr T J Chubb wrote: > > Thanks for this; also thanks to Tim for posting the URL too. Off > > to get Ps2PDF now ... > Me too. Got it, but am not sure what to do with what I have got. It > downloads as a text file with the suffix /sea. What do I set it to > in order to use it? It is a "self extracting archive" (dicottery?). Set the filetype to Absolute and double click on it. BYU. -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) mailto: Chris@bulldog.u-net.com (at home) ovpro web site http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu May 4 14:44:35 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA125935 for opro ; Thu, 04 May 100 14:44:33 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 957432950:10:00952:16; Thu, 04 May 2000 09:35:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1028254; 4 May 2000 9:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA09874 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 4 May 2000 10:28:06 +0100 Received: from mserv1c.u-net.net (mserv1c.u-net.net [195.102.240.33]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA09869 for ; Thu, 4 May 2000 10:28:04 +0100 Received: from [195.102.196.87] (helo=Caslon.english.co.uk) by mserv1c.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #35) id 12nHv9-00045x-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 4 May 2000 10:27:47 +0100 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Thu, 04 May 2000 10:20:41 +0100 Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 10:22:08 +0100 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Images, postscript & PDF Message-ID: <35e756b949%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <39113191.740B6632@sharp.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Graham Jones wrote: > Tim King wrote: > > > > While we're on images, postscript, & pdf... > > > > I told em there was obviously some setting in Distiller... > > There are Distiller settings for resolution, colour depth and compression > type. > You can turn downsampling off, so that the resolution of the image in the > PDF file is exactly the same as the original in the PS file. > The conventional wisdom in the prepress trade is that it is a printer's responsibility to supply a client with their preferred job options for distiller. In other words, there is no universal PDF setting which is suitable for all printers - it depends on how their own workflow has been set up. If a printer can't do this, then they probably don't know how to use PDFs. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu May 4 18:57:24 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA125944 for opro ; Thu, 04 May 100 18:57:22 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 957453114:20:01630:20; Thu, 04 May 2000 15:11:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2001508; 4 May 2000 15:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA10621 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 4 May 2000 16:05:01 +0100 Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk [137.205.192.30]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA09509 for ; Thu, 4 May 2000 09:24:53 +0100 Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@pansy [137.205.192.19]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA26790 for ; Thu, 4 May 2000 09:24:52 +0100 (BST) Received: from bashley (bashley [137.205.186.91]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA07725 for ; Thu, 4 May 2000 09:24:52 +0100 (BST) From: "Nick Kaijaks" To: Subject: RE: Images, postscript & PDF Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 09:23:38 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <5e3011b949%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > > >Surely not when embedded bitmaps are concerned? Are you saying > > >that the printer driver resamples in some way according to the > > >resolution of the output device? > > > > I can't deny it, yes thats what I think. > > > > Otherwise bitmaps would change size dependent on the device resolution. > > Oh dear, I'm going to have to go away and ponder on this and on > my understanding of the relationship between image dpi, screen > resolution, and resolution of the output device. I didn't think > that the postscript printer drivers did anything destructive to > a bitmap image, just inserted info which was interpreted > (and could be over-ruled by) a RIP as required. > > Yours, seriously confused, My recollection was, like yours, that the PS driver will tell the printer at which resolution to print the image, but embeds the image at its original resolution. e.g. create a doc with a 1200dpi image, set it to print at 300dpi and you'll still have a 1200dpi image in the PS file. My guess is that your manual downsampling will have no effect on the final output if the resolution of the printer driver is appropriately set (i.e. low enough), although it will have the advantage of reducing the PS file's size. Later, Nick -- Nick Kaijaks, Pinxit Design - Information Design for Internet and print http://www.kaijaks.co.uk/ mailto:nick@kaijaks.co.uk Disclaimer: caveat internettor -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu May 4 18:57:27 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA125945 for opro ; Thu, 04 May 100 18:57:25 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 957457989:20:03115:26; Thu, 04 May 2000 16:33:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2115766; 4 May 2000 16:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA10977 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 4 May 2000 17:28:06 +0100 Received: from mserv1c.u-net.net (mserv1c.u-net.net [195.102.240.33]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA10972 for ; Thu, 4 May 2000 17:28:04 +0100 Received: from [195.102.196.20] (helo=Caslon.english.co.uk) by mserv1c.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #35) id 12nOTf-0000uw-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 4 May 2000 17:27:52 +0100 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Thu, 04 May 2000 17:18:09 +0100 Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 17:20:12 +0100 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: RE: Images, postscript & PDF Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro "Nick Kaijaks" wrote: > > > >Surely not when embedded bitmaps are concerned? Are you saying > > > >that the printer driver resamples in some way according to the > > > >resolution of the output device? > > > > > > I can't deny it, yes thats what I think. > > > > > > Otherwise bitmaps would change size dependent on the device resolution. > > > > Oh dear, I'm going to have to go away and ponder on this and on > > my understanding of the relationship between image dpi, screen > > resolution, and resolution of the output device. I didn't think > > that the postscript printer drivers did anything destructive to > > a bitmap image, just inserted info which was interpreted > > (and could be over-ruled by) a RIP as required. > > > > Yours, seriously confused, > > My recollection was, like yours, that the PS driver will tell the printer at > which resolution to print the image, but embeds the image at its original > resolution. e.g. create a doc with a 1200dpi image, set it to print at > 300dpi and you'll still have a 1200dpi image in the PS file. > > My guess is that your manual downsampling will have no effect on the final > output if the resolution of the printer driver is appropriately set (i.e. > low enough), although it will have the advantage of reducing the PS file's > size. So, if you are preparing an image for litho printing, you need to ensure that its dpi is appropriate for the combination of expected lpi screen setting & output resolution of the film setter. So there are two reasons to ensure that the dpi of the embedded image is actually near th