From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Mar 1 03:40:23 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA121013 for opro ; Wed, 01 Mar 100 03:40:22 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 951873893:11:12453:17; Wed, 01 Mar 2000 01:24:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1111709; 1 Mar 2000 1:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA15576 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 01:01:26 GMT Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA15571 for ; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 01:01:24 GMT Received: from fadec.demon.co.uk ([158.152.218.168]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12PxVz-0005Ej-0X for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 01:01:24 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 00:46:20 +0000 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: Bob Dawes Subject: Re: You Were Right !!! References: <200002290522.FAA12784@omega.barnet.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <200002290522.FAA12784@omega.barnet.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro How did this mail shot get into my mail box. Would those responsible please ensure that this was only a one off. Regards Bob Dawes In message <200002290522.FAA12784@omega.barnet.ac.uk>, markthesecond@force9.net writes > >Andy, > >You're right!! You CAN get free flights to New York.. > >I'm going to New York in April for 5 nights , and the flight >cost me NOTHING!!! Saved me 150 return...and I got a free mobile phone. > >You can find the file you need at > >http://news.callnetuk.com/dnewsweb.exe?cmd=article&group=free.news&item=12&utag= >markthesecond+ > >http://news.callnetuk.com/dnewsweb.exe?cmd=article&group=alt.travel&item=5544&ut >ag=markthesecond+ > >I've put more details for everyone in our newsgroups. > >news:free.news >news:free.uk.holidays >news:alt.travel.uk.air > >See ya there!!! > >Mark the second... ;-) > >-- >To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk >with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message -- Bob Dawes -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Mar 1 13:02:39 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA121014 for opro ; Wed, 01 Mar 100 13:02:37 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 951904151:20:11783:20; Wed, 01 Mar 2000 09:49:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2106033; 1 Mar 2000 9:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA16644 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 09:15:55 GMT Received: from smtp-server.nlr.nl (spider.nlr.nl [137.17.80.200]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA16639 for ; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 09:15:54 GMT Received: from nararch.nlr.nl (nararch.nlr.nl [137.17.168.66]) by smtp-server.nlr.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3/NLR 16/03/99) with SMTP id KAA1539964; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 10:15:53 +0100 (CET) X-Disclaimer: "The National Aerospace Laboratory NLR DOES NOT ACCEPT ANY FINANCIAL COMMITMENT derived from this message." Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 10:13:46 +0100 From: "F.R. Polak" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Changes to list access to defeat mad spammers Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: National Aerospace Laboratory (NLR), Amsterdam, The Netherlands User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10 (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message Keith Goodier wrote: > On Tue 29 Feb 2000 (17:54:21), opro@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote: > > >Once again we've been spammed. I'd guess by the same system > >as before 'bryntech' featured in the headers again, and I > >got dozens of postings to different addresses @ pilling.demon.co.uk. > > > >The obvious way to stop this is to limit postings to the list to > >members. > > I was under the impression that this was how the list was actually > intended to work. Hence I'd be very happy if you limited postings > as you describe. I second that! -- Frits R. Polak National Aerospace Laboratory (NLR), Amsterdam Airports Department phone : +31-(0)20-5113543; fax: +31-(0)20-5113210 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Mar 1 15:07:27 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA121044 for opro ; Wed, 01 Mar 100 15:07:25 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 951921725:20:17230:18; Wed, 01 Mar 2000 14:42:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2103942; 1 Mar 2000 14:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA17434 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 13:44:31 GMT Received: from tvweb1.hiway.co.uk (root@tvweb1.hiway.co.uk [195.12.1.131]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA17429 for ; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 13:44:29 GMT From: Received: from mail-gw.quantel.com ([195.12.20.50]) by tvweb1.hiway.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA21952 for ; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 13:44:21 GMT Received: SMTP by Quantel-Mailhub (8.8.7/3.1). id NAA29930 for INET:ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Wed, 1 Mar 2000 13:46:33 GMT To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: <80256895.004B3E98.00@buffer1.HQ.quantel> Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 13:47:05 +0000 Subject: Re: Changes to list access to defeat mad spammers Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Organization: Quantel Ltd. Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <120956@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > Once again we've been spammed. I'd guess by the same system > as before 'bryntech' featured in the headers again, and I > got dozens of postings to different addresses @ pilling.demon.co.uk. > The obvious way to stop this is to limit postings to the list to > members. > Unless there is widespread opposition to this change, > that's what I will do. I have no problem with this, but it may also be worth looking at other anti-spamming facilities. Other majordomo driven lists I subscribe to are open, but automatically reject posts from sources identified as being spammers. The NT-emacs list being a good example of this. Only very rarely does the list distribute any spam and when it does it very quickly stops. Andy Ling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Mar 1 15:07:30 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA121045 for opro ; Wed, 01 Mar 100 15:07:28 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 951918216:10:19781:36; Wed, 01 Mar 2000 13:43:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1103254; 1 Mar 2000 13:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA17102 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 12:30:54 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA17097 for ; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 12:30:52 GMT Received: from userew45.uk.uudial.com (62.188.18.73) [62.188.18.73] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12Q8HC-0007ch-00; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 12:30:51 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Torrens To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 12:01:27 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Changes to list access to defeat mad spammers Message-ID: <49986ffcfarichard@4qd.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <120956@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <120956@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.14i (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <120956@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > Once again we've been spammed. I'd guess by the same system > as before 'bryntech' featured in the headers again, and I > got dozens of postings to different addresses @ pilling.demon.co.uk. > The obvious way to stop this is to limit postings to the list to > members. > Unless there is widespread opposition to this change, > that's what I will do. I think that's a good idea. I run several lists via Pluto, which has a manual mode. This allows me to view each email and answer it myself before circulation. Spams get !JunkMail-ed But if I was running an automatic list, I'd want spam-rejection and the only way is to bar posting by non-members. It's likely only to be a problem to people who haven't properly re-signed when changing email address. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Torrens 4QD manufacture speed controllers for battery electric motors. www site http://www.4QD.co.uk ---------- We use a RISC-PC 32 bit RISC computer ---------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Mar 1 15:07:36 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA121048 for opro ; Wed, 01 Mar 100 15:07:33 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 951922829:20:22164:19; Wed, 01 Mar 2000 15:00:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2021835; 1 Mar 2000 15:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA17534 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 14:08:47 GMT Received: from mail1.hw.ac.uk (mail1.hw.ac.uk [137.195.170.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA17529 for ; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 14:08:46 GMT Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.32.15]) by mail1.hw.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12Q9nx-00038M-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 14:08:45 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 14:08:52 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Vertical justification in multicolumn frames Message-ID: <49987ba766C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.14i (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I sometimes make use of the vertical justification facility to make dual (or more) column frames a little neater. I find the vertical justification breaks down if, for example, one of the columns has an additional overlying frame (either image or text). The column containing the additional frame is not vertically justified, while the other column is. In some cases, if the overlying frame is exactly the same width as the frame containing the two, or more, columns, then vertical justification seems to work ok, but only if it is at the top of the underlying frame. Am I expecting too much? (Currently on OP 2.58) Chris -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) mailto: Chris@bulldog.u-net.com (at home) ovpro web site http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Mar 1 17:47:16 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA121060 for opro ; Wed, 01 Mar 100 17:47:14 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 951932765:10:27342:296; Wed, 01 Mar 2000 17:46:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1103089; 1 Mar 2000 16:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA17938 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 16:07:14 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA17933 for ; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 16:07:12 GMT Received: from userfa15.uk.uudial.com (62.188.19.185) [62.188.19.185] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12QBeY-0002ER-00; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 16:07:10 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Travers To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 11:26:14 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: You Were Right !!! Message-ID: <49986cc3e0richto@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <200002290522.FAA12784@omega.barnet.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.14i (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Bob Dawes wrote: > How did this mail shot get into my mail box. > Would those responsible please ensure that this was only a one off. > Regards > Bob Dawes Yes, Bob, it was "spammed" to the maillist, so got into everybodies' mail boxes! I am so grateful that you decided to repeat it so we all get a second chance to read it! -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Richard Travers | 01736 757941 | Posting from a | | richto@argonet.co.uk | St. Erth, Cornwall | Wintel-free zone | --------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Mar 1 18:39:09 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA121072 for opro ; Wed, 01 Mar 100 18:39:07 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 951934515:20:21971:24; Wed, 01 Mar 2000 18:15:15 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2020545; 1 Mar 2000 18:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA18271 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 17:49:34 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA18264 for ; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 17:49:32 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12QDFY-000B1s-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 17:49:28 +0000 Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 15:16:44 GMT Message-Id: <121051@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Vertical justification in multicolumn frames X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I find the vertical justification breaks down if, for example, >one of the columns has an additional overlying frame (either >image or text). The column containing the additional frame is >not vertically justified, while the other column is. This is as expected. Vertical justification only works on rectangular areas of text flow. I made this limitation because I believe there is no non-recursive algorithm for vertical justification in an irregular area. That would mean each text change in a frame would cause the entire text in the frame to be reflowed many times. I suppose some would say that would be preferable to not being able to use the feature at all. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Mar 1 21:03:08 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA121094 for opro ; Wed, 01 Mar 100 21:03:06 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 951940690:20:26921:17; Wed, 01 Mar 2000 19:58:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2026844; 1 Mar 2000 19:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA18547 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 19:26:05 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA18257 for ; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 17:49:29 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12QDFW-000B1s-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 17:49:26 +0000 Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 15:09:41 GMT Message-Id: <121049@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Changes to list access to defeat mad spammers X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R >Other majordomo driven lists I subscribe to are open, but automatically >reject posts from sources identified as being spammers. I wonder how they detect them? Majordomo does have a list of words which will make it send messages to me for approval - e.g. s u b s c r i b e because thats the main source of irritating postings. So maybe we could add "amazing free offer" or "we always remove names from our list on request" to the kill file. Anyway postings to the list are now restricted to members. End of discussion, until someone writes a spam program that can join lists. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Mar 2 03:11:55 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA121120 for opro ; Thu, 02 Mar 100 03:11:53 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 951963635:20:25714:23; Thu, 02 Mar 2000 02:20:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2108082; 2 Mar 2000 2:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA19463 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 01:36:18 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA19458 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 01:36:17 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12QKXH-000FCB-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 01:36:16 +0000 Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 23:06:07 GMT Message-Id: <121114@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Clipboards applet X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > The clipboards _always_ migrate to behind the document on changing the > clipboard via the applet View button. Pressing the back Icon on the > OvPro page brings the clipboard to the front, but on clicking the View > button on the Clipboards applet control panel, the next desired > clipboard is again behind the OvPro page. Thanks to a bit more input from Dave Symes, I now know the cause of this problem and I'll fix it in the next release. Seemingly this happens if your clipboard has rulers on view. Similarly if you copy to the clipboard whilst it is on view it will go to the back. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Mar 2 13:53:11 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA121127 for opro ; Thu, 02 Mar 100 13:53:08 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 951990072:10:03855:19; Thu, 02 Mar 2000 09:41:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1003773; 2 Mar 2000 9:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA20389 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 09:12:17 GMT Received: from alpha5.iso.port.ac.uk (alpha5.iso.port.ac.uk [148.197.254.14]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA20382 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 09:12:13 GMT Received: from in-58.static.port.ac.uk (in-58.static.port.ac.uk [148.197.1.58]) by alpha5.iso.port.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.0) with SMTP id JAA29731 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 09:12:13 GMT Received: from alpha5.iso.port.ac.uk (148.197.254.14) by as08.nwservers.iso.port.ac.uk (Mercury 1.46) with ESMTP; 2 Mar 00 08:23:24 GMT0BST Received: from jay.ee.port.ac.uk (root@jay.ee.port.ac.uk [148.197.27.64]) by alpha5.iso.port.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id IAA26627 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 08:21:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk (root@omega.barnet.ac.uk [194.82.200.3]) by jay.ee.port.ac.uk (8.9.3 (PHNE_18979)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA16312 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 08:21:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA20154 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 07:51:06 GMT Received: from neodymium.btinternet.com (neodymium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.83]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA20149 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 07:51:03 GMT Received: from [213.1.173.48] (helo=clive.holland.btinternet.com) by neodymium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 12QQNx-0004r7-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 07:51:03 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Clive Holland To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 07:49:21 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: OP 2.58 guide lines Message-ID: <4998dcbeb8Clive.Holland@btinternet.com> In-Reply-To: <120405@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <120405@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12f (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain X-maillist: ovationpro Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <120405@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >There seems to be a problem with displaying guidelines whilst dragging > >in OP 2.58. > Yes, with cross hairs selected, horizontal guide lines don't drag > properly. > I have fixed it. So does this fix appear on the latest download of OP 2.58 or do we wait for the next version? Thanks -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Mar 2 13:53:16 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA121130 for opro ; Thu, 02 Mar 100 13:53:12 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 951985324:20:18774:24; Thu, 02 Mar 2000 08:22:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2017004; 2 Mar 2000 8:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA20154 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 07:51:06 GMT Received: from neodymium.btinternet.com (neodymium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.83]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA20149 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 07:51:03 GMT Received: from [213.1.173.48] (helo=clive.holland.btinternet.com) by neodymium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 12QQNx-0004r7-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 07:51:03 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Clive Holland To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 07:49:21 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: OP 2.58 guide lines Message-ID: <4998dcbeb8Clive.Holland@btinternet.com> In-Reply-To: <120405@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <120405@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12f (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <120405@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >There seems to be a problem with displaying guidelines whilst dragging > >in OP 2.58. > Yes, with cross hairs selected, horizontal guide lines don't drag > properly. > I have fixed it. So does this fix appear on the latest download of OP 2.58 or do we wait for the next version? Thanks -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Mar 2 13:53:47 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA121141 for opro ; Thu, 02 Mar 100 13:53:45 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 951990068:20:24317:73; Thu, 02 Mar 2000 09:41:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2024562; 2 Mar 2000 9:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA20387 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 09:12:15 GMT Received: from alpha5.iso.port.ac.uk (alpha5.iso.port.ac.uk [148.197.254.14]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA20377 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 09:12:12 GMT Received: from in-58.static.port.ac.uk (in-58.static.port.ac.uk [148.197.1.58]) by alpha5.iso.port.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.0) with SMTP id JAA29778 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 09:12:11 GMT Received: from alpha5.iso.port.ac.uk (148.197.254.14) by as08.nwservers.iso.port.ac.uk (Mercury 1.46) with ESMTP; 2 Mar 00 08:23:24 GMT0BST Received: from jay.ee.port.ac.uk (root@jay.ee.port.ac.uk [148.197.27.64]) by alpha5.iso.port.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id IAA26627 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 08:21:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk (root@omega.barnet.ac.uk [194.82.200.3]) by jay.ee.port.ac.uk (8.9.3 (PHNE_18979)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA16312 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 08:21:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA20154 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 07:51:06 GMT Received: from neodymium.btinternet.com (neodymium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.83]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA20149 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 07:51:03 GMT Received: from [213.1.173.48] (helo=clive.holland.btinternet.com) by neodymium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 12QQNx-0004r7-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 07:51:03 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Clive Holland To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 07:49:21 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: OP 2.58 guide lines Message-ID: <4998dcbeb8Clive.Holland@btinternet.com> In-Reply-To: <120405@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <120405@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12f (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain X-maillist: ovationpro Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <120405@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >There seems to be a problem with displaying guidelines whilst dragging > >in OP 2.58. > Yes, with cross hairs selected, horizontal guide lines don't drag > properly. > I have fixed it. So does this fix appear on the latest download of OP 2.58 or do we wait for the next version? Thanks -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From charlton@argonet.co.uk Thu Mar 2 13:54:04 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA121146 for opro ; Thu, 02 Mar 100 13:54:02 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 951992936:20:24464:1; Thu, 02 Mar 2000 10:28:56 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2024070; 2 Mar 2000 10:28 GMT Received: from usern309.uk.uudial.com (193.149.84.88) [193.149.84.88] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12QSqL-0000d1-00; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 10:28:30 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Bob Charlton To: opro@pilling.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 10:26:59 +0000 (GMT) Subject: 258 corrupted. Message-ID: <4998eb2d05charlton@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.14i (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Status: R David, My HardDisc containing Ovation Pro has developed numerous address and sector faults and is therefore being scrapped. I moved OvationPro plus all my back-ups to a SCSI Harddisc and checked the bytes they seem equal, but the SCSI transferred Primary copy will not run saying "it was not installed on this location and please drag the original to the !install window". So I did a full upgrade from a back-up of version 2.52 also copied across to the SCSI disc. Sadly after installation I got message Upgrade was successful rebooted and loaded upgraded version of 2.58 only to get the same quoted error. Do I have to go back to Floppy disc installation of v2.46 (this time on the SCSI disc) first dragging the transferred copy to the v246 installation window and then do a v246 to v258 upgrade on to this version on the SCSI disc to reactivate Ovation ops.on the SCSI disc? Remembering of course to save and reload later dictionary and additional applets which are installed in old version of 2.58. I have read the manual and notes but cannot see an equivalent of this situation in the instructions... so its probably supposed not to exist. Odds on you'll say yes!:-( But thought better check with _the expert_ before making this catastrophe even worse...?:-@ Thanks in anticipation, Bob From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Mar 2 13:54:11 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA121148 for opro ; Thu, 02 Mar 100 13:54:09 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 952001207:20:00332:21; Thu, 02 Mar 2000 12:46:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2000155; 2 Mar 2000 12:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA20964 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 12:20:22 GMT Received: from mail1.hw.ac.uk (mail1.hw.ac.uk [137.195.170.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA20959 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 12:20:20 GMT Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.32.15]) by mail1.hw.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12QUaU-0008Ez-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 12:20:14 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: Ovation Pro List Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 12:20:23 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Offtopic : system date Message-ID: <4998f58ee0C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.14i (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Sorry for being totally off topic, but I have just realised that both my RiscPCs here are displaying Thursday March 2nd 2000 in any time/date application such as Alarm, Organizer, and of course ctrl-D in OPro tells me it is currently 2nd March. Running ROS4.02 with latest patch. Am I the only one with such a problem? Chris -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Mar 2 13:54:21 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA121152 for opro ; Thu, 02 Mar 100 13:54:19 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 952002531:20:12135:74; Thu, 02 Mar 2000 13:08:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2011716; 2 Mar 2000 13:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA20994 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 12:23:54 GMT Received: from mail1.hw.ac.uk (mail1.hw.ac.uk [137.195.170.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA20989 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 12:23:52 GMT Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.32.15]) by mail1.hw.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12QUdy-0008Nj-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 12:23:51 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: Ovation Pro List Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 12:24:01 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Offtopic : system date Message-ID: <4998f5e42fC.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <4998f58ee0C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> References: <4998f58ee0C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.14i (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 02 Mar, C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk wrote: > Sorry for being totally off topic, but I have just realised that > both my RiscPCs here are displaying > Thursday March 2nd 2000 > in any time/date application such as Alarm, Organizer, and of > course ctrl-D in OPro tells me it is currently 2nd March. > Running ROS4.02 with latest patch. > Am I the only one with such a problem? > Chris Total egg on face - please disregard - it is my PC running colleague who just convinced me it was Thursday 3rd!!! Its his clock that is wrong! What can I say - its been a hard term. Sorry folks. Chris -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) mailto: Chris@bulldog.u-net.com (at home) ovpro web site http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Mar 2 15:56:37 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA121179 for opro ; Thu, 02 Mar 100 15:56:35 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 952009484:10:06415:21; Thu, 02 Mar 2000 15:04:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1006333; 2 Mar 2000 15:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA21451 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 14:39:23 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA21446 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 14:39:21 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12QWl4-000Min-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 14:39:18 +0000 Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 14:28:49 GMT Message-Id: <121171@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OP 2.58 guide lines X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >> Yes, with cross hairs selected, horizontal guide lines don't drag >> properly. >> I have fixed it. >So does this fix appear on the latest download of OP 2.58 or do we wait >for the next version? You wait... for 2.59. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Mar 2 15:56:42 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA121181 for opro ; Thu, 02 Mar 100 15:56:40 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 952009881:10:15488:28; Thu, 02 Mar 2000 15:11:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1014534; 2 Mar 2000 15:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA21441 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 14:39:02 GMT Received: from apollo.le.ac.uk (apollo.le.ac.uk [143.210.16.125]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA20949 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 12:20:05 GMT Received: from happy.star.le.ac.uk ([143.210.36.58]) by apollo.le.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 3.03 #1) id 12QUaK-0003xc-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 02 Mar 2000 12:20:04 +0000 Received: (qmail 17763 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2000 12:20:25 -0000 Received: from xmm4.xra.le.ac.uk (143.210.40.54) by happy.star.le.ac.uk with SMTP; 2 Mar 2000 12:20:25 -0000 Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 12:20:06 +0000 (GMT) From: Liam Gretton Subject: Re: Changes to list access to defeat mad spammers To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <121049@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Space Research Centre, University of Leicester, UK X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 01 Mar, David Pilling wrote: > >Other majordomo driven lists I subscribe to are open, but automatically > >reject posts from sources identified as being spammers. > > I wonder how they detect them? Majordomo does have a list of words > which will make it send messages to me for approval - e.g. s u b s c r i > b e because thats the main source of irritating postings. I imagine they use the Realtime Blackhole List, which is a variation of DNS that allows you see if a given address (the domain part, not the whole e-mail address) is known to be a spam-originator. Details are at http://maps.vix.com/ -- Liam Gretton ljg@star.le.ac.uk Space Research Centre, http://www.src.le.ac.uk/ Physics and Astronomy Dept, phone +44 (0) 116 223 1039 University of Leicester, fax +44 (0) 116 252 2464 Leicester LE1 7RH, UK http://xmm4.xra.le.ac.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Mar 2 15:56:46 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA121184 for opro ; Thu, 02 Mar 100 15:56:44 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 952009945:10:17406:19; Thu, 02 Mar 2000 15:12:25 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1127616; 2 Mar 2000 15:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA21444 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 14:39:03 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA20354 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 09:04:19 GMT Received: from usergu60.uk.uudial.com (62.188.1.212) [62.188.1.212] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12QRWq-0005QV-00; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 09:04:17 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: colinwoolf To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 08:32:08 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Duotones revisited Message-ID: <4998e0a955colinwoolf@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <200002181831.SAA05430@omega.barnet.ac.uk> References: <200002181831.SAA05430@omega.barnet.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.14f (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On 18 Feb, Ovation Pro Digest wrote: > colours, and the top one set to overprint (but how would OvnPro > cope with that?). In effect that enables you to do manually what > Photoshop does automatically. > Mike Williams Akalat Publishing Hi Surely we should be trying to recreate the photographic way that Duotones first came into being. These were created by placing a colour (mid & high range densities only) over a (B&W) greyscale which has a bias towards the lower end of the scale. What shouldn't happen is a flat tint being place over the whole image (it is the users choice what percentage tint this is is both cases - to achieve your desired effect). The amount of white is surely a factor of the amount of white in the original - either way, increasing the tint percentage of the second colour will eventually lead this to go into the white areas (highlights). I have not seen !Photoshop's Duotones in action, so can't comment on that - I have though, used !OvnPro's to succesfully reproduce Duotones in printed brochures. You have to fiddle with the curves to get the effect you want. Duotone is a form of Posterisation in photographic terms and is a 'Special Effect'. Hope this helps Colin -- Colin Woolf Watercolour Artist - Fine Art Paintings Graphic Design & Illustration colinwoolf@argonet.co.uk please visit the Web Site (currently under construction) _ www.wildart.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Mar 2 18:08:03 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA121215 for opro ; Thu, 02 Mar 100 18:08:00 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 952019026:10:15143:303; Thu, 02 Mar 2000 17:43:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1010492; 2 Mar 2000 17:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA21989 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 16:36:56 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA21984 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 16:36:54 GMT Received: from ypical.demon.co.uk ([158.152.78.65]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 12QYar-000AJx-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 16:36:53 +0000 Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 13:21:01 GMT From: Fred Bambrough To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Offtopic : system date Message-ID: <1d1cfb9849.fred@ypical.demon.co.uk> References: <4998f58ee0C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <4998f58ee0C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> X-Organization: @ypical User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <4998f58ee0C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> Chris Johnson wrote: > Sorry for being totally off topic, but I have just realised that > both my RiscPCs here are displaying > > Thursday March 2nd 2000 > > in any time/date application such as Alarm, Organizer, and of > course ctrl-D in OPro tells me it is currently 2nd March. > Running ROS4.02 with latest patch. > > Am I the only one with such a problem? I've got a feeling I'm missing something here. It is Thursday March 2nd 2000 today. -- Fred PGP key available -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Mar 2 19:32:25 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA121227 for opro ; Thu, 02 Mar 100 19:32:22 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 952022379:11:16491:17; Thu, 02 Mar 2000 18:39:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1116439; 2 Mar 2000 18:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA22242 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 18:10:31 GMT Received: from smtp04.wxs.nl (smtp04.wxs.nl [195.121.6.59]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA22007 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 16:44:48 GMT Received: from delink.wxs.nl ([195.121.164.155]) by smtp04.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 4.05) with SMTP id FQSZUN00.J80 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 17:44:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Sprangers To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 17:43:59 +0100 Subject: Bug in embedded graphics? Message-ID: <49990db0e2delink@wxs.nl> In-Reply-To: <121171@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <121171@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.14e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro At least... I think it is a bug. Here is how it can be achieved: Open a new window. Import a text file. Put the cursor somewhere. Import a little (bitmap) graphic. The graphic is now perfectly embedded, but... Choose Edit Style. Change in Format the leading from, say, 20% to 14pt (pt is essential). Watch what happens. In my copy, text and graphics are suddenly mixed up. When I change the leading back to a certain percentage (no points!) then everything is OK again. But I definitively need to specify the leading in points, for a particular document! What now? Kind regards, Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Mar 2 19:32:28 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA121228 for opro ; Thu, 02 Mar 100 19:32:26 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 952022389:10:22379:24; Thu, 02 Mar 2000 18:39:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1022010; 2 Mar 2000 18:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA22248 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 18:10:33 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA22243 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 18:10:31 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12Qa3S-000AdS-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 18:10:30 +0000 Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 17:19:06 GMT Message-Id: <121203@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Bug in embedded graphics? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Change in Format the leading from, say, 20% to 14pt (pt is essential). >Watch what happens. >In my copy, text and graphics are suddenly mixed up. Yes thats a bug. It seems to me it only happens if the point size is less than the size of the graphic - so you are forcing lines to overlap. So the workaround may be to increase the leading, or perhaps to use incremental leading - stick a + sign in front of the value. Incidentally you provoked this response from the mail list... >Non-member submission from [Paul Sprangers ] So the nice spammer has given me another job forwarding such postings to the list. Even more amusing is that one subscribers system is currently bouncing all mail from the list on the grounds that it is suspected spam 8-) David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Mar 2 20:56:43 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA121233 for opro ; Thu, 02 Mar 100 20:56:41 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 952026871:20:03426:114; Thu, 02 Mar 2000 19:54:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2123117; 2 Mar 2000 19:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA22591 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 19:34:37 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA22586 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 19:34:36 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12QbMp-000IDw-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 19:34:35 +0000 Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 18:09:09 GMT Message-Id: <121220@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Offtopic : system date X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I've got a feeling I'm missing something here. It is Thursday March 2nd 200 Ah but what if the industry standard is Thursday March 3rd. Assuming every PC in the world decided it was March 3rd you can assume we'd be moving onto the MS calendar smartly. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Mar 3 01:17:35 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA121258 for opro ; Fri, 03 Mar 100 01:17:33 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 952042268:10:11226:31; Fri, 03 Mar 2000 00:11:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1117773; 3 Mar 2000 0:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA23482 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 23:55:16 GMT Received: from dervish.mail.pipex.net (dervish.mail.pipex.net [158.43.192.70]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA23477 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 23:55:14 GMT Received: (qmail 11339 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2000 23:55:13 -0000 Received: from user1210.dialdev.pipex.com (HELO user1210) (193.132.93.210) by 158.43.192.48 with SMTP; 2 Mar 2000 23:55:13 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 18:24:17 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Bug in embedded graphics? Message-ID: <499916dfddrayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <121203@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <121203@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.14i (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <121203@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > Even more amusing is that one subscribers system is currently bouncing > all mail from the list on the grounds that it is suspected spam 8-) The same thing happened with the RISC OS Foundations newsletter - UUNET and Demon both bounced them as spam :-) Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Mar 3 01:18:31 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA121262 for opro ; Fri, 03 Mar 100 01:18:29 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 952038017:20:10703:17; Thu, 02 Mar 2000 23:00:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2010232; 2 Mar 2000 22:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA23028 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 22:16:06 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA23022 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 22:16:04 GMT Received: from userbf51.uk.uudial.com (62.188.142.72) [62.188.142.72] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12Qdt2-0003sJ-00; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 22:16:01 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 19:53:38 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Replace strings. And End keys Message-ID: <49989b3813badger.set@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <120800@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <120800@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.14e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 28 Feb, David Pilling wrote: > >Is it possible to increase the length of the string that can be entered > >into 'replace' in the 'Search and Replace' dialogue box? > No, 256 bytes is your lot. Oh well, worth a try! > >And is there a macro string to force the caret to the end of the text? > Yes control+caret down in macro speak i.e. {'C_CDown} Thanks. 'Home' and 'End' now doing what I want them to. -- Richard Brock -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Mar 3 01:18:52 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA121264 for opro ; Fri, 03 Mar 100 01:18:37 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 952040343:20:21479:19; Thu, 02 Mar 2000 23:39:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2129019; 2 Mar 2000 23:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA23192 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 22:52:51 GMT Received: from norwegia.access.ch (mail.access.ch [195.112.71.134]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA23187 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 22:52:49 GMT Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (megapop11-76.access.ch [212.161.131.204]) by norwegia.access.ch (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA27320 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 23:52:48 +0100 Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 19:03:38 +0100 (GMT) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: Changes to list access to defeat mad spammers To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <120956@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: JMvV: tel +41 41 3706124; fax +41 41 3706120 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 29 Feb, David Pilling wrote: snip > Unless there is widespread opposition to this change, > that's what I will do. Do it. If it can be done. JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch tel +41 41 3706125 | RiscPC (ex-Acorn) Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) .. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Mar 3 01:18:55 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA121265 for opro ; Fri, 03 Mar 100 01:18:53 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 952040419:20:22447:17; Thu, 02 Mar 2000 23:40:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2022403; 2 Mar 2000 23:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA23265 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 23:10:30 GMT Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-11.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.21]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA23260 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 23:10:25 GMT Received: from [212.238.40.189] (helo=pberg.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12Qejg-000CHD-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 23:10:24 +0000 Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 00:06:32 +0100 (GMT) From: Peter van den Berg Subject: Re: Masterpage hangs To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <120836@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Thuis, achter m'n compu. X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Mon 28 Feb, David Pilling wrote: > > Joking apart (that was a programmers joke (even if it wasn't funny)) has > 2.57/2.58 hung? or is it just taking a long time to work things out. I had a 45 minutes breakfast-and-coffee break, and nothing seems to have happened. > All this is interesting because if you look at the NewDocs.Summary file, > I've not recorded changing anything relevant in these versions. So I wonder > why you think there's a difference? Ahhh! You hit the right button. The Februari issue of the magazine had some complicated links in it. Tried again after removing them, this time the job was done in 5 seconds or so. I have to be careful with linking frames, so it seems. No big deal though, removing and rearranging them is done in a couple of minutes. Thanks very much, for restoring my confidence in your lovely program. -- regards, @-@ L \-/ Peter ~ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Mar 3 13:48:34 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA121297 for opro ; Fri, 03 Mar 100 13:48:29 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 952084121:10:18412:18; Fri, 03 Mar 2000 11:48:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1010125; 3 Mar 2000 11:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA24728 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 10:51:36 GMT Received: from mx14.gmx.net (mx14.gmx.net [194.221.183.143]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA24723 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 10:51:33 GMT Received: (qmail 26999 invoked by uid 0); 3 Mar 2000 09:00:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 15436 invoked by uid 0); 2 Mar 2000 18:54:55 -0000 Received: from natmail3.webmailer.de (HELO post.webmailer.de) (192.67.198.66) by mx11.gmx.net with SMTP; 2 Mar 2000 18:54:55 -0000 Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk (omega.barnet.ac.uk [194.82.200.3]) by post.webmailer.de (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA19606 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 19:54:44 +0100 (MET) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA22248 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 18:10:33 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA22243 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 18:10:31 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12Qa3S-000AdS-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 18:10:30 +0000 Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 17:19:06 GMT Message-Id: <121203@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Bug in embedded graphics? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 X-maillist: ovationpro Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R >Change in Format the leading from, say, 20% to 14pt (pt is essential). >Watch what happens. >In my copy, text and graphics are suddenly mixed up. Yes thats a bug. It seems to me it only happens if the point size is less than the size of the graphic - so you are forcing lines to overlap. So the workaround may be to increase the leading, or perhaps to use incremental leading - stick a + sign in front of the value. Incidentally you provoked this response from the mail list... >Non-member submission from [Paul Sprangers ] So the nice spammer has given me another job forwarding such postings to the list. Even more amusing is that one subscribers system is currently bouncing all mail from the list on the grounds that it is suspected spam 8-) David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Mar 3 13:48:39 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA121298 for opro ; Fri, 03 Mar 100 13:48:35 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 952084046:20:27525:33; Fri, 03 Mar 2000 11:47:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2027703; 3 Mar 2000 11:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA24855 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 11:30:38 GMT Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA24850 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 11:30:36 GMT Received: from ypical.demon.co.uk ([158.152.78.65]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12QqHz-0007s1-0V for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 11:30:35 +0000 Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 10:52:40 GMT From: Fred Bambrough To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Bug in embedded graphics? Message-ID: <2c5d719949.fred@ypical.demon.co.uk> References: <121203@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <121203@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: @ypical User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <121203@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > >Change in Format the leading from, say, 20% to 14pt (pt is essential). > >Watch what happens. > >In my copy, text and graphics are suddenly mixed up. > > Yes thats a bug. It seems to me it only happens if the point size is less > than the size of the graphic - so you are forcing lines to overlap. > So the workaround may be to increase the leading, or perhaps to use > incremental leading - stick a + sign in front of the value. > > > Incidentally you provoked this response from the mail list... > > >Non-member submission from [Paul Sprangers ] > > So the nice spammer has given me another job forwarding such postings to > the list. > > Even more amusing is that one subscribers system is currently bouncing > all mail from the list on the grounds that it is suspected spam 8-) Seems to be the season for it. All my usenet postings are bouncing back from a Danish mailer on the grounds that there is no user "comp.sys.acorn.apps" etc.. -- Fred PGP key available -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Mar 3 16:20:54 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA121322 for opro ; Fri, 03 Mar 100 16:20:52 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 952095443:10:01950:49; Fri, 03 Mar 2000 14:57:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1126154; 3 Mar 2000 14:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA25440 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 14:38:10 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA25429 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 14:38:04 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12QtDO-000JHC-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 14:38:03 +0000 Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 13:56:48 GMT Message-Id: <121308@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Bug in embedded graphics? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >> So the workaround may be to increase the leading, or perhaps to use >> incremental leading - stick a + sign in front of the value. >Great! This is a conclusive advice. Thanks! I've fixed the bug now. >> Incidentally you provoked this response from the mail list... >> >Non-member submission from [Paul Sprangers ] >What does this mean? In the light of the recent spam attacks, we've changed things so that postings are only accepted from addresses which are subscribed to the list. So please always post using the address which is subscribed to the list. If you just post from any old address, your posting is bounced to the list owner and I have to approve it. I'll probably do this for a week or two, and then just junk any bounced postings. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Mar 3 16:20:56 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA121323 for opro ; Fri, 03 Mar 100 16:20:55 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 952095817:20:15202:24; Fri, 03 Mar 2000 15:03:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2102871; 3 Mar 2000 15:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA25396 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 14:32:59 GMT Received: from tvweb1.hiway.co.uk (tvweb1.hiway.co.uk [195.12.1.131]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA25391 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 14:32:57 GMT From: Received: from mail-gw.quantel.com ([195.12.20.50]) by tvweb1.hiway.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA06381 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 14:32:46 GMT Received: SMTP by Quantel-Mailhub (8.8.7/3.1). id OAA24399 for INET:ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Fri, 3 Mar 2000 14:35:00 GMT To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: <80256897.004F65E7.00@buffer1.HQ.quantel> Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 14:35:07 +0000 Subject: Font scan and !Documents Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Organization: Quantel Ltd. Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I thought we'd done this font scan stuff to death, but I've just found another hiccup. I have FontDir Pro and it's set up to scan OPro documents on loading. This works and finds all the fonts. Except I've just started using the !Documents applet and if I load a file from the document menu it doesn't get scanned by FontDir. I can re-install the OEFPro applet which works with !Documents, but as discussed before, this doesn't find fonts in !Draw files. Any suggestions for ways to improve this? Andy Ling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Mar 3 16:20:59 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA121324 for opro ; Fri, 03 Mar 100 16:20:57 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 952096252:11:14918:73; Fri, 03 Mar 2000 15:10:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1002629; 3 Mar 2000 14:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA25425 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 14:38:02 GMT Received: from proteus.mail.eclipse.net.uk (proteus.mail.eclipse.net.uk [212.104.131.205]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA24628 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 09:54:26 GMT Received: from StonarWeb (17.133.104.212.access.eclipse.net.uk [212.104.133.17]) by proteus.mail.eclipse.net.uk (Postfix) with SMTP id B742D9B9B for ; Fri, 03 Mar 2000 09:54:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from 1.0.128.252 by StonarWeb with SMTP (Navaho Server Suite v2.4.5 [Linux/i686]); Fri, 03 Mar 2000 09:50:15 GMT X-Sender: Martin.Devon@stonar.wilts.sch.uk Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 09:53:19 +0000 (GMT) From: Martin Devon Subject: Re: Offtopic : system date To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <1d1cfb9849.fred@ypical.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Stonar School, Melksham, UK. +44 (0) 1225 702309 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.42] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Please always post to the list using the address with which you are subscribed. > Chris Johnson wrote: > > > Sorry for being totally off topic, but I have just realised that > > both my RiscPCs here are displaying > > > > Thursday March 2nd 2000 > > > > in any time/date application such as Alarm, Organizer, and of > > course ctrl-D in OPro tells me it is currently 2nd March. > > Running ROS4.02 with latest patch. > > > > Am I the only one with such a problem? Aha. Presumably your colleague who misled you was using Excel. -- Martin Devon Stonar School a PC-free zone -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Mar 3 16:21:19 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA121332 for opro ; Fri, 03 Mar 100 16:21:17 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 952098450:20:10663:33; Fri, 03 Mar 2000 15:47:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2124523; 3 Mar 2000 15:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA25434 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 14:38:05 GMT Received: from smtp01.wxs.nl (smtp01.wxs.nl [195.121.6.61]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA24477 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 08:41:30 GMT Received: from delink.wxs.nl ([195.121.166.242]) by smtp01.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with SMTP id AAA93D for ; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 09:40:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Sprangers To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 09:40:12 +0100 Subject: Bug in embedded graphics? Message-ID: <4999653c7cdelink@wxs.nl> In-Reply-To: <121203@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <121203@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.14e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > So the workaround may be to increase the leading, or perhaps to use > incremental leading - stick a + sign in front of the value. Great! This is a conclusive advice. Thanks! > Incidentally you provoked this response from the mail list... > >Non-member submission from [Paul Sprangers ] Eh...? What does this mean? What do I have to do then, to answer to a particular mail? Kind regards, Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Mar 3 21:59:53 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA121349 for opro ; Fri, 03 Mar 100 21:59:47 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 952119204:11:16706:17; Fri, 03 Mar 2000 21:33:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1115600; 3 Mar 2000 21:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA26491 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 21:04:00 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA26486 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 21:03:58 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12QzEr-000HLo-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 21:03:57 +0000 Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 19:22:30 GMT Message-Id: <121337@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Font scan and !Documents X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R >I have FontDir Pro and it's set up to scan OPro documents on loading. >This works and finds all the fonts. Except I've just started using >the !Documents applet and if I load a file from the document menu >it doesn't get scanned by FontDir. Presumeably FDP intercepts filer run messages. I suppose the Documents applet could be changed to use a filer_run to launch documents instead of the command it currently users. Although I have a worry that we did things that way for a reason. If FDP has some interface for scanning files for fonts, then the Documents applet could be changed to invoke that on the file before loading it. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Mar 4 14:11:39 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA121366 for opro ; Sat, 04 Mar 100 14:11:36 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 952136813:20:17156:27; Sat, 04 Mar 2000 02:26:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2016734; 4 Mar 2000 2:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA27081 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 01:56:13 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA27076 for ; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 01:56:11 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12R3ne-000Htg-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 01:56:10 +0000 Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 22:46:05 GMT Message-Id: <121357@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Bug in embedded graphics? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Erm! I forsee a problem... For example I have 5 ISP accounts and thus >various email addresses. How do I find out what account and mail address I >used when subscribing to a particular Maillists? The address you are subscribed to the list with, is the one that postings from the list go to. For example I'm subscribed as opro@pilling.demon.co.uk and the list goes to that address - I read the list as user 'opro'. I guess you just look at a header of a message from the list and read off which address it was sent to. >In reality it's a bit simpler as I only sub to Maillists using argonet or >ukgateway... but the question still needs answering as I haven't the >foggies idea which maillists are subscribed via a particular account. I'll give you a clue... >Non-member submission from [Dave Symes ] Tell me when you'd prefer the spam to the hassle. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Mar 4 14:11:39 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA121365 for opro ; Sat, 04 Mar 100 14:11:36 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 952136005:11:27411:18; Sat, 04 Mar 2000 02:13:25 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1022163; 4 Mar 2000 2:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA27074 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 01:56:11 GMT Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net (monsoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA26733 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 22:21:02 GMT Received: (qmail 14789 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2000 22:21:01 -0000 Received: from userep63.uk.uudial.com (HELO loopback) (62.188.15.160) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2000 22:21:01 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 18:58:46 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Bug in embedded graphics? Message-ID: <49999dde27dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <121308@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <121308@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.14i (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <121308@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >> So the workaround may be to increase the leading, or perhaps to use > >> incremental leading - stick a + sign in front of the value. > >Great! This is a conclusive advice. Thanks! > I've fixed the bug now. > >> Incidentally you provoked this response from the mail list... > >> >Non-member submission from [Paul Sprangers ] > >What does this mean? > In the light of the recent spam attacks, we've changed things so that > postings are only accepted from addresses which are subscribed to the > list. > So please always post using the address which is subscribed to the list. > If you just post from any old address, your posting is bounced to the > list owner and I have to approve it. > I'll probably do this for a week or two, and then just junk any bounced > postings. > David Pilling Erm! I forsee a problem... For example I have 5 ISP accounts and thus various email addresses. How do I find out what account and mail address I used when subscribing to a particular Maillists? In reality it's a bit simpler as I only sub to Maillists using argonet or ukgateway... but the question still needs answering as I haven't the foggies idea which maillists are subscribed via a particular account. Dave S -- _______________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk ...or.. dfs@ukgateway.net Also... df@dafs.freeserve.co.uk .. or... dave@triffid.co.uk http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/df.symes http://www.dfs.ukgateway.net David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Mar 4 14:12:07 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA121378 for opro ; Sat, 04 Mar 100 14:12:06 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 952168235:10:09675:18; Sat, 04 Mar 2000 11:10:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1009498; 4 Mar 2000 11:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA28084 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 10:41:19 GMT Received: from cmailg7.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg7.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.177]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA28079 for ; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 10:41:17 GMT Received: from modem-32.nitrogen.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.6.32] helo=wjmurphy.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailg7.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 12RBzo-0003mp-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 04 Mar 2000 10:41:16 +0000 Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 00:09:06 +0000 (GMT) From: W J Murphy Subject: Re: Font scan and !Documents To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <121337@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: The Free Account (That means I ain't paying!) X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Fri 03 Mar, David Pilling wrote: > If FDP has some interface for scanning files for fonts, then the Documents > applet could be changed to invoke that on the file before loading it. The module FontFS includes the command : FontFS_ScanDocument ==> Help on keyword FontFS_ScanDocument *FontFS_ScanDocument scans the specified document for fonts and, where *possible, makes them available to other applications. Syntax: *FontFS_ScanDocument -- Bill Murphy http://www.wjmurphy.freeserve.co.uk mailto:Billy@wjmurphy.freeserve.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Mar 4 16:25:09 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA121390 for opro ; Sat, 04 Mar 100 16:25:07 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 952181842:10:04114:19; Sat, 04 Mar 2000 14:57:22 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1003808; 4 Mar 2000 14:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA28642 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 14:39:21 GMT Received: from cwcom.net (email.mcmail.com [195.44.0.150]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA27944 for ; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 09:26:49 GMT Received: from cwcom.net ([195.44.7.138]) by cwcom.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.117.11); Sat, 4 Mar 2000 09:26:39 +0000 Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 10:35:36 +0000 From: Chris Manning To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OV Pro 2.58 Applets Message-ID: <4997E44B0A%chrism@spuddy.mew.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <120390@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS Organization: Organisation? Er, no... X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b User-Agent: POPstar/2.02 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Non-member submission from [Chris Manning ] In message <120390@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: >> Is there a list of the latest applets to use with version 2.58 > The web pages show the latest versions of all the applets. All we > need is a small program to scan the web page and your copy of OPro > and insert any updated applets. If only all web sites showed the relevant information... I recently downloaded StylePal from the HW web site - The web site claims it's version 1.06 !ReadMe1st and Library.StylePal say it's 1.05 !Help and !Info say it's 1.04 Not much chance of automating the upgrading of that! :-( Chris -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 6 16:54:54 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA121405 for opro ; Mon, 06 Mar 100 16:54:52 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 952189377:10:05055:17; Sat, 04 Mar 2000 17:02:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1004426; 4 Mar 2000 17:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA28930 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 16:21:22 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA28925 for ; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 16:21:20 GMT Received: from usereu77.uk.uudial.com (62.188.17.161) [62.188.17.161] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12RHIr-0003r9-00; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 16:21:17 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Dr P.N.Young) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 16:04:58 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.24 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Clipboard applet oddity. Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro This applet is being invaluable to me, but the clipboards window (the one with the number of clipboards active and the icons to copy, paste, etc.) won't go off the edges of the screen in any direction although the windows option in configure is set to do this. (all the other windows behave as they should). Is this intended? When I have several other windows on the screen it is useful to park some of them overlapping the edge of the screen to get them out of the way. Oh, BTW, I still get a type 5 error if I try to reduce the number of clipboards. I can live without reducing the number, but hadn't this been fixed? Best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. Anne \ / __ __ \ England. Cecilia / / \ | | |\ | / _ \http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/pnyoung James / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \_____________ pnyoung@argonet.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 6 16:55:55 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA121424 for opro ; Mon, 06 Mar 100 16:55:53 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 952212395:20:19233:20; Sat, 04 Mar 2000 23:26:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2103007; 4 Mar 2000 23:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA29778 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 23:07:26 GMT Received: from typhoon.mail.pipex.net (typhoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA29773 for ; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 23:07:25 GMT Received: (qmail 13325 invoked from network); 4 Mar 2000 23:07:20 -0000 Received: from user1223.dialdev.pipex.com (HELO user1223) (193.132.93.223) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 4 Mar 2000 23:07:20 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2000 19:49:38 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Bug in embedded graphics? Message-ID: <499a265c44rayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <121357@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <121357@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.14i (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <121357@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >Erm! I forsee a problem... For example I have 5 ISP accounts and thus > >various email addresses. How do I find out what account and mail > >address I used when subscribing to a particular Maillists? > The address you are subscribed to the list with, is the one that > postings from the list go to. > For example I'm subscribed as opro@pilling.demon.co.uk and the list > goes to that address - I read the list as user 'opro'. > I guess you just look at a header of a message from the list and read > off which address it was sent to. The problem is that the list has To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk and not To: rayd@argonet.co.uk You have to look at the Envelope: line to see which address it's sent to. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 6 16:56:10 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA121430 for opro ; Mon, 06 Mar 100 16:56:09 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 952280885:11:05615:18; Sun, 05 Mar 2000 18:28:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1105321; 5 Mar 2000 18:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA31838 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 5 Mar 2000 18:00:53 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA31833 for ; Sun, 5 Mar 2000 18:00:47 GMT Received: from userb072.uk.uudial.com (193.149.71.55) [193.149.71.55] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12RfKf-0001Ri-00; Sun, 5 Mar 2000 18:00:46 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Torrens To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 15:59:16 +0000 (GMT) Subject: The Menu Message-ID: <499a951b1frichard@4qd.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.14i (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro How many peple found O-Pro's menu structure less than intuitive at first? I know I did. I also know that this manu structure was Beebug's design - not Dave's. We can be pretty certain that, had Dave designed it - it would have been a lot better. However - us existing users are stuck with it. Change would not be very beneficial. So, to help new users: is there any reason why two menu structures cannot be present - with the user chosing between them? New users would get the new menu as default, old users could go back to the old one if they so wished. The manual would need to be re-arranged to cope with the new menu structure. I'm sure experienced users would cope OK. This is only a suggestion and only Dave knows how many new users are coming in, how useful this would be to them and how much effort it would be. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Torrens 4QD manufacture speed controllers for battery electric motors. www site http://www.4QD.co.uk ---------- We use a RISC-PC 32 bit RISC computer ---------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 6 16:56:25 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA121440 for opro ; Mon, 06 Mar 100 16:56:23 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 952293300:10:04482:17; Sun, 05 Mar 2000 21:55:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1121484; 5 Mar 2000 21:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA32294 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 5 Mar 2000 21:18:33 GMT Received: from scrabble.freeuk.net (scrabble.freeuk.net [212.126.144.6]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA32289 for ; Sun, 5 Mar 2000 21:18:31 GMT Received: from [212.126.152.149] (helo=du-009-0149) by scrabble.freeuk.net with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1) id 12RiQ2-0000FH-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 05 Mar 2000 21:18:30 +0000 Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 21:18:53 GMT From: David Thomas To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: The Menu Message-ID: <385eb29a49.dpt@wrench.davespace> References: <499a951b1frichard@4qd.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <499a951b1frichard@4qd.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10a (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.10) POPstar/2.01b12 X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.19 pre-35 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <499a951b1frichard@4qd.co.uk> Richard Torrens wrote: > How many peple found O-Pro's menu structure less than intuitive at first? > I know I did. I didn't. It's a nice menu structure. > I also know that this manu structure was Beebug's design - not Dave's. > > We can be pretty certain that, had Dave designed it - it would have been a > lot better. > > However - us existing users are stuck with it. Change would not be very > beneficial. > > So, to help new users: is there any reason why two menu structures cannot > be present - with the user chosing between them? Providing a replacement for !OvnPro.AutoRun.!Menus - the script that creates the menu structure - is easy and can be done with existing versions. > New users would get the new menu as default, old users could go back to > the old one if they so wished. > > The manual would need to be re-arranged to cope with the new menu > structure. I'm sure experienced users would cope OK. > > This is only a suggestion and only Dave knows how many new users are > coming in, how useful this would be to them and how much effort it would > be. So what do you feel is wrong with the menu structure as it is? Cheers, Dave -- David Thomas http://www.tristone.co.uk/davespace/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 6 16:57:09 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA121451 for opro ; Mon, 06 Mar 100 16:57:07 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 952337557:10:22912:37; Mon, 06 Mar 2000 10:12:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1104241; 6 Mar 2000 10:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA01579 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 09:25:57 GMT Received: from smtp1.xs4all.nl (smtp1.xs4all.nl [194.109.127.48]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA01574 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 09:25:55 GMT Received: from ecdbv.xs4all.nl (dc2-modem784.dial.xs4all.nl [194.109.131.16]) by smtp1.xs4all.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA08638 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 10:25:54 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 10:26:42 +0100 (GMT) From: Andr van den Berg Subject: Later version of Artworks To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: ECD Computers, Holland. +31703072040/Fax+31703072050 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hello, You could also export the vectorpart of Artworks to !Draw and put your sprite also in the latter. With some (Postscript) drivers the whole frame content will not be printed... (work to do for RO Ltd?). To be totally sure, I put a transparent frame with the vectorfile on top of the sprite already in Opro or Impression. Met vriendelijke groet / Kind regards, Andre van den Berg -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 6 16:57:11 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA121452 for opro ; Mon, 06 Mar 100 16:57:10 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 952305371:20:05522:18; Mon, 06 Mar 2000 01:16:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2005339; 6 Mar 2000 1:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA00417 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 00:26:05 GMT Received: from dove.mtx.net.au (dove.mtx.net.au [203.15.24.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA00412 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 00:26:01 GMT Received: from pprewett.dove.net.au (pppk56a-198.mtx.net.au [203.30.53.198]) by dove.mtx.net.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA48895 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 10:55:38 +1030 (CST) Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 14:49:23 +1030 (GMT) From: Peter Prewett Subject: ArtWork file To: Ovation Pro Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro My wife has created a sprite that she has put into Artworks to manipulate/duplicate etc dropping this file into a frame reports that 'This file was made by a more recent version of ArtWorks' It also reports the same when dropping into PhotoDesk or Impression Pro. I think it may be due to a problem with ArtWorks in that it cannot deal with many coloured sprites. What is it that we are doing wrong? Peter -- Peter Prewett, Coromandel Valley, South Australia -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 6 16:57:22 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA121458 for opro ; Mon, 06 Mar 100 16:57:21 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 952340477:11:26001:39; Mon, 06 Mar 2000 11:01:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1120231; 6 Mar 2000 10:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA01678 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 10:02:09 GMT Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-11.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.21]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA01673 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 10:02:07 GMT Received: from [212.238.88.19] (helo=dinkla.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12RuL0-000G2T-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 10:02:06 +0000 Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 11:02:07 +0000 (GMT) From: Ernst Dinkla Subject: Re: ArtWork file To: Ovation Pro In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Another solution is print to a sprite with !SPrinter available from David's site and you can have all what you created in ArtWorks in the image. No worries anymore of sprites, hatches, gradual fills and clippings that don't export properly to other applications or other platforms. No memory problems when the file is created. The same when you translate to other bitmaps with David Pilling's scanning software. One day David may even write a direct Tiff + JPEG printer ;-) The disadvantages; files may become bigger, no vector editing possible afterwards. This should be in the FAQ meanwhile. Ernst -- Ernst Dinkla Serigrafie,Zeefdruk The point will never be metric -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 6 16:57:27 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA121461 for opro ; Mon, 06 Mar 100 16:57:25 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 952330274:20:11396:18; Mon, 06 Mar 2000 08:11:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2127910; 6 Mar 2000 8:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA01204 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 07:55:16 GMT Received: from host1.kbnet.co.uk (root@host1.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA01199 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 07:55:13 GMT Received: from akalat (dialup026.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.58]) by host1.kbnet.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA30283 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 07:56:21 GMT Message-ID: <000401bf8741$29e8a640$3a94a8c2@akalat> From: "Mike Williams" To: References: Subject: Re: ArtWork file Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 07:53:17 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Peter Prewit wrote: > My wife has created a sprite that she has put into Artworks to > manipulate/duplicate etc dropping this file into a frame reports that > 'This file was made by a more recent version of ArtWorks' > > It also reports the same when dropping into PhotoDesk or Impression Pro. > > I think it may be due to a problem with ArtWorks in that it cannot deal with many coloured sprites. > > What is it that we are doing wrong? This is a well known problem. While ArtWorks was updated to deal with 24-bit sprites, the ArtWorks renderer module used by the likes of Ovation Pro wasn't. The only solution, as far as I know, is to import any such sprite separately into its own frame in Ovation Pro. Mike Williams Akalat Publishing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 6 16:57:31 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA121463 for opro ; Mon, 06 Mar 100 16:57:29 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 952332425:20:29353:21; Mon, 06 Mar 2000 08:47:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2027797; 6 Mar 2000 8:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA01260 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 08:08:20 GMT Received: from mail1.svr.pol.co.uk (mail1.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.18]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA01255 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 08:08:18 GMT Received: from modem-147.boron.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.4.147] helo=wjmurphy.freeserve.co.uk) by mail1.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 12RsYq-0000JA-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 06 Mar 2000 08:08:17 +0000 Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 07:58:20 +0000 (GMT) From: W J Murphy Subject: Re: ArtWork file To: Ovation Pro In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: The Free Account (That means I ain't paying!) X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Sun 05 Mar, Peter Prewett wrote: > My wife has created a sprite that she has put into Artworks to > manipulate/duplicate etc dropping this file into a frame reports that > 'This file was made by a more recent version of ArtWorks' > > It also reports the same when dropping into PhotoDesk or Impression Pro. > > I think it may be due to a problem with ArtWorks in that it cannot deal > with many coloured sprites. > > What is it that we are doing wrong? Artworks can cope with loads of colours but its loader for other programs cannot. Computer Concepts answer was that deep colour sprites should be dealt with by the other program (Impression) because it can do it better! Your solution could be to extract the sprite from the Artworks file making sure it is deleted from the sprite viewer (as the error will still occur if the deep sprite is in the file even though not part of the picture). Then put the sprite through ChangeFSI to convert it to 256 colours and then put it back. Alternatively use two frames in Ovation one with sprite in and the other transparent frame on to with the Artworks file in it. -- Bill Murphy http://www.wjmurphy.freeserve.co.uk mailto:Billy@wjmurphy.freeserve.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 6 16:57:50 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA121472 for opro ; Mon, 06 Mar 100 16:57:48 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 952341405:20:27410:110; Mon, 06 Mar 2000 11:16:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2114502; 6 Mar 2000 11:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA01866 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 10:41:57 GMT Received: from mail1.hw.ac.uk (mail1.hw.ac.uk [137.195.170.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA01861 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 10:41:55 GMT Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.32.15]) by mail1.hw.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12RuxW-0001UN-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 10:41:54 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 10:41:03 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: OV Pro 2.58 Applets Message-ID: <499afbcebeC.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <4997E44B0A%chrism@spuddy.mew.co.uk> References: <120390@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4997E44B0A%chrism@spuddy.mew.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.14i (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4997E44B0A%chrism@spuddy.mew.co.uk>, Chris Manning wrote: > If only all web sites showed the relevant information... > I recently downloaded StylePal from the HW web site - > The web site claims it's version 1.06 > !ReadMe1st and Library.StylePal say it's 1.05 > !Help and !Info say it's 1.04 > Not much chance of automating the upgrading of that! :-( I am afraid it is down to the authors of applets to make sure that all their version numbers within an applet are consistent. I have started trying to check such things before actually mounting a new version, but in the past I did not do this, but just mounted the upgrades as sent to me. In some cases later versions are for bug fixes, and authors have not changed all the version numbers. Chris -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) mailto: Chris@bulldog.u-net.com (at home) ovpro web site http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 6 16:58:12 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA121483 for opro ; Mon, 06 Mar 100 16:58:10 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 952345846:20:14653:27; Mon, 06 Mar 2000 12:30:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2129671; 6 Mar 2000 12:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA02178 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 11:47:20 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA02173 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 11:47:18 GMT Received: from xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk ([212.228.137.218]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 12Rvyn-00035D-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 11:47:17 +0000 Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 09:29:07 GMT From: John Pettigrew To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Clipboard applet oddity. Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: XL Cambridge User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In a previous posting, Dr P.N.Young wrote: > This applet is being invaluable to me, Thanks :-) > but the clipboards window (the one with the number of clipboards active and > the icons to copy, paste, etc.) won't go off the edges of the screen in any > direction Hmm. I'd not noticed this but the sames happens here. Not sure why, as the 'Keep on screen' flag isn't selected in TemplEd. Can anyone else shed light on why this is happening? John -- John Pettigrew XL Cambridge - Contract and freelance editing and writing Life sciences specialist - molecular biology, genetics, biotechnology john@xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 6 16:58:17 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA121487 for opro ; Mon, 06 Mar 100 16:58:16 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 952358571:10:09312:267; Mon, 06 Mar 2000 16:02:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1027930; 6 Mar 2000 15:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA02685 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 15:00:41 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA02680 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 15:00:39 GMT Received: from userfa42.uk.uudial.com (62.188.19.212) [62.188.19.212] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12Ryzt-0005Xo-00; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 15:00:38 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Torrens To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 14:44:19 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: The Menu Message-ID: <499b121473richard@4qd.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <385eb29a49.dpt@wrench.davespace> References: <499a951b1frichard@4qd.co.uk> <385eb29a49.dpt@wrench.davespace> User-Agent: Pluto/1.14i (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <385eb29a49.dpt@wrench.davespace>, David Thomas wrote: > In message <499a951b1frichard@4qd.co.uk> > Richard Torrens wrote: ... snip .. > So what do you feel is wrong with the menu structure as it is? That's difficult: I've had O-Pro for some time and have got used to it. Part of this whole suggestion is to do with where (prospective) new users could be coming from. I don't have any experience of that. It's probable that if you come in from publishing you're used to the jargon and way of organisation. If you've been using a word processor and upgrading the background is different. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Torrens 4QD manufacture speed controllers for battery electric motors. www site http://www.4QD.co.uk ---------- We use a RISC-PC 32 bit RISC computer ---------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 6 20:38:54 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA121570 for opro ; Mon, 06 Mar 100 20:38:50 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 952374979:11:22243:17; Mon, 06 Mar 2000 20:36:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1006037; 6 Mar 2000 20:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA03240 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 19:01:01 GMT Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net (monsoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA29377 for ; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 19:11:18 GMT Received: (qmail 17763 invoked from network); 4 Mar 2000 19:11:16 -0000 Received: from useri620.uk.uudial.com (HELO loopback) (194.69.106.230) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 4 Mar 2000 19:11:16 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2000 19:11:19 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Bug in embedded graphics? Message-ID: <499a22da1ddfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <121357@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <121357@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.14i (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Non-member submission from [Dave Symes ] In article <121357@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >Erm! I forsee a problem... For example I have 5 ISP accounts and thus > >various email addresses. How do I find out what account and mail > >address I used when subscribing to a particular Maillists? > The address you are subscribed to the list with, is the one that > postings from the list go to. > For example I'm subscribed as opro@pilling.demon.co.uk and the list goes > to that address - I read the list as user 'opro'. > I guess you just look at a header of a message from the list and read > off which address it was sent to. > >In reality it's a bit simpler as I only sub to Maillists using argonet > >or ukgateway... but the question still needs answering as I haven't the > >foggies idea which maillists are subscribed via a particular account. > I'll give you a clue... > >Non-member submission from [Dave Symes ] > Tell me when you'd prefer the spam to the hassle. > David Pilling Okay, that's plain enough, I must have subbed with the argonet account. So I really need to re-subscribe with the ukg account then unsubscribe from the argo account... Unsubscribe is no problem, but I can't remember what sort of mail I need to send to re-subscribe again. Cheers Dave S My initial thoughts were to ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk with SUBSCRIBE in the body of the message... but that sounds too easy to be right. Some prompting please. D. -- _______________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk ...or.. dfs@ukgateway.net Also... df@dafs.freeserve.co.uk .. or... dave@triffid.co.uk http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/df.symes http://www.dfs.ukgateway.net David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 6 20:38:57 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA121572 for opro ; Mon, 06 Mar 100 20:38:55 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 952374601:20:19945:26; Mon, 06 Mar 2000 20:30:01 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2019808; 6 Mar 2000 20:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA03246 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 19:01:03 GMT Received: from cwcom.net (email.mcmail.com [195.44.0.152]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA32262 for ; Sun, 5 Mar 2000 21:07:45 GMT Received: from cwcom.net ([195.44.207.134]) by cwcom.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.197.19); Sun, 5 Mar 2000 21:03:41 +0000 Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2000 15:04:20 +0000 From: Chris Manning To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Offtopic : system date Message-ID: <499A0C3D56%chrism@spuddy.mew.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4998f5e42fC.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS Organization: Organisation? Er, no... X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b User-Agent: POPstar/2.02 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Non-member submission from [Chris Manning ] In message <4998f5e42fC.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> Chris Johnson wrote: > it is my PC running colleague who just convinced me it was Thursday 3rd!!! > Its his clock that is wrong! And presumably it's been wrong since February 29th, which makes me wonder why it took him so long to notice. Chris David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 6 21:32:45 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA121598 for opro ; Mon, 06 Mar 100 21:32:43 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 952376976:10:20817:37; Mon, 06 Mar 2000 21:09:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1115507; 6 Mar 2000 21:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA03571 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 20:41:19 GMT Received: from mail5.svr.pol.co.uk (mail5.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA29258 for ; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 18:10:55 GMT Received: from modem-26.barium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.47.26] helo=gwen) by mail5.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 12RJ0w-000634-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 04 Mar 2000 18:10:55 +0000 From: "Nick Kaijaks" To: Subject: RE: OV Pro 2.58 Applets Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 18:10:35 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 In-Reply-To: <4997E44B0A%chrism@spuddy.mew.co.uk> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Non-member submission from ["Nick Kaijaks" ] Chris Manning wrote: > If only all web sites showed the relevant information... > > I recently downloaded StylePal from the HW web site - > > The web site claims it's version 1.06 > > !ReadMe1st and Library.StylePal say it's 1.05 > > !Help and !Info say it's 1.04 > > Not much chance of automating the upgrading of that! :-( Indeed. That's probably because StylePal went through about four different versions in about as many days. It's a recognized problem that it's all too easy to get the numbers out of sync, especially when you're trying to make changes to code quickly whilst at the same time keeping up with documentation and web pages. I freely confess to releasing StylePal 1.05 on an unsuspecting world with inconsistent numbering. The version on my website since 19/Nov/99 says 1.06 everywhere. I guess Chris's site is one version behind, which isn't surprising under the circumstances. Perhaps an answer is ruthlessly to strike out any numbering except in !Info. Either that or someone should code an Ovation Pro applet versioning engine to complement the automatic applet updater ;-) Cheers, Nick -- Nick Kaijaks, Pinxit Design - Information Design for Internet and print http://www.kaijaks.co.uk/ mailto:nick@kaijaks.co.uk Disclaimer: caveat internettor David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro i